WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.399 The Projection Booth podcast is sponsored by Scarecrow Video. Try 2 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:06.440 out Scarecrows run by mail service. Choose from over one 3 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:09.039 hundred and fifty thousand films and get blu rays, four 4 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:12.960 k's and DVDs delivered directly to your door. Visit scarecrow 5 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:14.039 dot com today. 6 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:22.359 Oh gez, folks, it's showtime. 7 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:25.719 People say good money to see this movie. When they 8 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:29.160 go out to a theater. They want cloth, sodas, pop, popcorn, 9 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:31.600 and no monsters in the projection Booth. 10 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:33.600 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 11 00:00:34.679 --> 00:01:02.240 Got it off, left to die in the desert as 12 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.560 a baby, and she's been raised by wild dogs. 13 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:06.439 She's come to find her parents. 14 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:09.239 Her paths were destined to meet. 15 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:14.840 She died. 16 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:17.959 Tell me do you ever get strange vibrations in this place? 17 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:18.400 Oh? 18 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:22.040 Yes, our time. Mister Leadingham used to be a movie studio. 19 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:23.239 You know, really. 20 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:27.719 The baby is a lie. 21 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:30.000 Have you taken your medication today? 22 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:30.359 DearS? 23 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:33.480 I am leading Ham, Chaos leading Ham. 24 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:35.840 I was falling in love with a dingo. 25 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:40.480 The place was cursed. 26 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:45.879 We were surrounded by monsters behind each door. 27 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:52.879 The blood sucking freaks. 28 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:54.719 Have a dark secretly buried beneath this place there will 29 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:56.840 rise up to night and we will be forced to 30 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:59.200 act them out. 31 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:05.319 Join this too in unoly matrimony. 32 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:08.159 It's about the girls. 33 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:09.919 She's coming back if she hasn't here already. 34 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:12.560 I knew I was different from the rest of the letter. 35 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:22.360 Very good, Very good. I see danger, I see sacrifice. 36 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:25.039 Perhaps if you just. 37 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:28.680 The girl must be brought to me immediately. 38 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:48.560 God, we will pay the child with flash. 39 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:21.159 Baby name, Oh murder, though it hath no tongue, We'll 40 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.639 speak with most miraculous organs. 41 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:32.000 For the sake of humanity. 42 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:35.479 You must die times. 43 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.879 Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host, Mike whiteho 44 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:50.599 and me once again is miss Heather Drain. 45 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.759 That is quailed leading word. 46 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:59.919 Also joining us as Ms Peyton McCartney seemus Hey. We 47 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.000 continue a month looking at Australian films with one from 48 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:07.120 Hayden Keenan Pandemonium, released in nineteen eighty seven. The film 49 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:11.560 stars David Argue as Cale's leading him or. 50 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.080 Quailud's leading Horde. 51 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:18.279 An escapee from an insane asylum who tells an innocent 52 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:21.199 bus rider the tale of him being a surveyor at 53 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.360 an old movie studio run by EB and pb de 54 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:28.000 Wolf at the center of his tale is the Dingo Girl. 55 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.120 We will be spoiling the ins and outs of Pandemonium 56 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.360 as we go along, so if we don't want anything ruined, 57 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:35.959 please turn off the podcast and come back after you've 58 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.199 tracked down the movie. We will still be here. So Heather, 59 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.839 I can tell from our last conversation you have seen 60 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.399 Pandemonium before. When was your first time and what did 61 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:45.800 you think? 62 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:46.519 It was? 63 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:49.279 Probably, I want to say two to three years ago, 64 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:53.399 and I had discovered it via a wonderful review written 65 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.920 by Dave Jackson, who's a really really cool Australian film 66 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:59.360 writer and filmmaker. If anybody out there has heard with 67 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.920 Kat sig Blues, that's Dave Jackson, which is that's an 68 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:05.920 amazing movie. Very different vibe here, but Dave had written 69 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.199 about a movie called Pandemonium and reading it, I immediately 70 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:12.360 was like, this is something I need to find to like. 71 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:15.360 It just felt like there is connective tissue. There was 72 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.399 my DNA possibly somewhere. 73 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:18.439 In this madness. 74 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:23.240 And I tracked down the company Smart Street Films, which 75 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:25.480 was the only way you could get it legally and 76 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.839 can get it, I believe, and I purchased it, got 77 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.879 a really sweet email apologizing for how for the shipping 78 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:35.279 and handling, and turned out it was from Hayden Keenan, 79 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.480 and I was like, holy shit, the director just email 80 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.759 me about this and he's sweet, such a sweetheart, And 81 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.519 I finally got the movie and it did not disappoint. 82 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:47.720 It did not disappoint. This movie to me. 83 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:49.680 The best way for me to sum it up, it's 84 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:53.120 imagine a Marx Brothers movies where all the Marx Brothers 85 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:58.160 are David Argue and everybody is on acid, and even 86 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:00.879 then you're barely kind of scratching the surface that Yes, 87 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.759 I absolutely was floored by it. I've rewatched it copious 88 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:07.720 time since then. I adore this movie. 89 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:10.319 And Peyton, how about yourself, Well. 90 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:11.920 I was really excited when you reached out to me 91 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.959 about this because I had just started spending a lot 92 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:19.720 of time thinking about Hayden Keenan because Muscle Distribution just 93 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:23.480 re released Going Down in twenty twenty five, and I 94 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:25.519 watched it and absolutely fell in love with it. It's 95 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:29.480 such a beautiful, like slice of life, kind of loose 96 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:33.360 punk coming of age story with an amazing soundtrack. So 97 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:37.240 watching this I was really struck by the wild contrast 98 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:40.040 here between that film and this one. They shared DNA 99 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:45.839 and that kind of beautiful queer craziness going on. But yeah, no, 100 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.439 trying to describe this movie to a friend who was like, 101 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.319 what did you do today? Was like, there's a lot 102 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:56.040 to unpack her, but also there it's impossible to as 103 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:58.519 all good, all like true all cult films are. There's 104 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:00.800 just simply no way to really some this one up. 105 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.240 It's I think I said it was somewhere between Dogma 106 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.519 rocky horror, and with Noel and I in aesthetic vibe 107 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:11.399 with like a little bit of Vegas in space. 108 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:15.480 So it's a great time. God, I love Vegas and space. 109 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:18.120 Yeah, I remember having this one described to me as 110 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:21.959 being like rocky horror, and really, other than the end 111 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:26.120 of the movie where the big movie studio takes off 112 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:29.360 and flies away, wasn't seeing a whole lot of rocky horror. 113 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:32.439 There's there's one moment of a song, I think maybe 114 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:36.079 two songs in here, but yeah, not very rocky horror 115 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:39.519 other than though you can't tell by the accents. That's 116 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:41.360 the thing that I think I love the most about 117 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.560 this is just how everyone seems to have an accent, 118 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:47.959 and it seems to be more and more outrageous than 119 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:52.199 the last one. I mean, our movie studio husband with 120 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:57.480 his really flat American accent that he does, and then 121 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:01.120 all of the Nazi stuff that's going on in this movie. Yeah, 122 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.600 I think I tracked this one down, maybe on VHS. 123 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:08.160 Maybe Andrew Leovold made a copy of it for me 124 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:11.920 back when he was working at Trash Video in Queensland, 125 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:15.519 I think it was. And yeah, it took me forever 126 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.199 to finally sit down and watch this one. This whole 127 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.959 month has been you need to sit down and watch 128 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:24.680 these movies. So this is my excuse to finally see this. 129 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.920 And yeah, I am so glad that Pandemonium, this version 130 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:32.799 of Pandemonium because I've always been a fan of the 131 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.159 Pandemonium with Paul Rubins and. 132 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:38.360 Carol Kine, Alfred Soul, Yes. 133 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:41.879 Alfred Soul's Pandemonium. But now when you look at our 134 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:46.519 archive page, you're going to see two pandemoniums. Very different films. 135 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:49.080 To me in a lot of ways. I mean, ultimately 136 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:52.000 this feels like Hayden, this is his film. He's like, 137 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.759 he's I think, such a fascinating director, especially Peyton, like 138 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.399 speaking like do you bring up Going Down? Like his 139 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.440 film Mark so fascinating because you know, we have Going Down, 140 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:05.840 we have this, we have several documentaries. He's done a 141 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:08.919 lot of like very cool, very activist type work with 142 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:12.720 some of his documentaries too. He's a fascinating guy. But 143 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:14.879 to me, there's so much like if somebody's a Ken 144 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:19.279 Russell fan, particularly, I'm thinking like listless so Mania and 145 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.840 that era like in you know, in Tommy. In fact, 146 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.480 the the ending of this film has a parallel with 147 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:28.639 a with a key scene to Tommy. It was so 148 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:30.679 refreshing because I feel like if we don't really see 149 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:35.000 a lot of directors put themselves out there quite like 150 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.799 this late, like Hayden does, other than Ken Russell, Like 151 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:39.440 Ken Russell's to me is a director I think who 152 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:42.879 continually put himself out there no matter what the budget 153 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:46.240 it was, no matter what the circumstances was. Well with 154 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:50.080 the activism part, I was really struck. This movie includes 155 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:55.519 an Aboriginal Holy Ghost figure and he's played by Gary Foley, 156 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:58.960 who was an Aboriginal. He started this group called the 157 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:03.000 Aboriginal ten See in the seventies and established like the 158 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:06.840 first Aboriginal legal services. He also like co wrote and 159 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:10.320 acted in the first ever Indigenous Australian stage production. 160 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.159 So like there's a lot going on there. Plus the 161 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.559 origins of this movie in this very particular like Bondie 162 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.000 scene in this housing you know, this like squatting situation 163 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:23.840 that the Heather you sent a very cool article about 164 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:27.799 it in terms of tenants rights there. So there's underneath 165 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:31.320 about seventy five layers of glittering grime there. The politics 166 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:34.519 there are like both gesturing towards feminism, like in terms 167 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:37.919 of the Rocky Horror parallel to me, the thing that 168 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:42.080 really reminded me most was the Amanda dole Dingo girl 169 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:46.159 character having her Janet what Janet arc you know, like 170 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:50.320 her her sexual desire and exploring herself, which when I 171 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:54.480 found out she was the youngest ever Australian playboy play 172 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:57.679 moy playmate, that was crazy too. Like, so the cast 173 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:00.000 is crazy. There's so much going on anyway. 174 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.799 It is wild though I know she was sixteen. 175 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.720 I got to do an essay for Midnight Spares when 176 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:10.679 that was released on Blu ray, and in that movie, 177 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:12.759 she does like kind of a burlesque routine that's set 178 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:15.480 up like her person layout and it's very much set 179 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:21.879 up like a sort of lay room, like it's very gross. 180 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.399 It's gross that but she's fabulous and Midnight Spaars is 181 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.399 a fun movie and it's got David Argue. 182 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:30.080 So I remember when I because I saw a Panemonium 183 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:31.080 first and I was like, oh my. 184 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:34.399 God, I marked out so hard because I was I 185 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:37.360 was already excited about David Argue and then seeing Amanda. 186 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:39.639 I love everybody in this movie, and I think she 187 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.799 really she does bring like a nice sort of like 188 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.480 gravitas in a way because you really do care about 189 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:47.159 her character. 190 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:50.279 And that's impressive given that we don't. I mean half 191 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:51.639 the movie she's. 192 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:54.200 You know, mostly naked, and we only hear her like 193 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:59.600 via telepathy until but you but her facial like her 194 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:03.559 facial reactions to everything, and just she has this like 195 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:06.679 this sort of calm serenity about her. 196 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.480 I hate it that this was her last film. That 197 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.840 what a way to go is if you're gonna pick 198 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.240 a Moyvie to be your last one, I mean, Pandemonium's 199 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:18.320 pretty striking. Also, Epsence storms amazing in this Like I 200 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.399 didn't recognize them because. 201 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.720 He's such a like sleazy, sexy young grifter in Going 202 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:27.440 Down and then you see him here as like and 203 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:30.960 he's unrecognizable but such a good chameleon of a guy. 204 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:33.960 Yeah, you're right about those Nazi grets. I forgot. There's 205 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.320 very much a tell us about a Janet type of 206 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:37.039 moment in this. 207 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:43.799 I love our incestuous twin lesbian Nazis. Those actresses interact 208 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.080 with each other. They're so playful. Oh, they's so sort 209 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:49.200 of feline. And I forget his name, but I know 210 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:51.000 he was like originally I think like an audio guy. 211 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:52.720 I think it did audio on Going Down. But the 212 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:56.440 actor that plays Little Adolf, he's great that full dialoguets 213 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:59.200 with him in the vamp sort of our beautiful gothic 214 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.919 vampress character where it's like and go balls had no 215 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:04.240 balls at all? 216 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.320 Like the wasn't that a rhyme that they staying in 217 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:09.440 World War Yeah? I did not know about. 218 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:19.600 My very small headlamla. 219 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:23.559 That's all. 220 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.279 When there's that whole weird thing where so many of 221 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:30.960 these people in this house are zombies and they refer 222 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:33.200 to them as zombies, it's like, you know, you're talking 223 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.960 about this whole idea of the squatters and stuff. Yeah, 224 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:39.559 this whole house feels like it's just filled with people 225 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.039 that really shouldn't be there, and it almost feels like 226 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:45.200 the zombies are just kind of these hangers on that 227 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:47.480 really shouldn't still be in this place. I mean that 228 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:51.960 our main character, David argues playing this surveyor. I'm not 229 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.120 really clear on what his role is. He walks around 230 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:58.399 with a lot of equipment. He's got like this almost 231 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:02.679 like laser gun radar gun type thing he's taking measurements with, 232 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:05.879 and he's got blueprints, but he just doesn't seem to 233 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:07.919 be very interested in doing this job at all. 234 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:12.440 Well, he's sort of a parapsychologist type of surveyor, and 235 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:14.840 that even took me a few bearings. For whatever reason, 236 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:17.360 the first time I watched this movie, I thought I 237 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:19.080 thought he was a documentarian. 238 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:20.960 I don't know where I got that from. 239 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:25.000 But and then by I think the fourth theoring, I'm like, oh, 240 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.879 I'm ridiculous, Now he's not a documentary. But finding that 241 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:32.639 article that I shared and to all the listeners like that. 242 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.039 We found some articles that were written in the pre 243 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:38.279 production process of this film, which was gave us some 244 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:44.159 really cool insight and one of the biggest inspirations for pandemonium. 245 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.200 It is a completely like a reaction to gentrification that 246 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.879 was going on. Now, is it bondi beach or bondi beach? 247 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:52.200 I've heard both two pronunciations. 248 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:55.600 Well, Hayden would say Bondi, then I. 249 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:58.159 Will go with that one, because I do not trust 250 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:04.120 my my southern patois on pronunciation anything but no. In fact, 251 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:08.960 the film was originally called A Longlow Hell House, and 252 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:12.919 the Alonglow was, like I said, of living spaces that 253 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.120 a lot of the artists lived on very cheaply in 254 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:19.519 the seventies and the eighties, off off a bondy and 255 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:24.000 in the eighties, like gentrification, like the evil black mole 256 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:25.960 that it is, started creeping in and all of a 257 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:29.720 sudden you get developers, and you know, people start getting 258 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:32.480 kind of kicked out or priced out. It's bad felicity 259 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:34.440 sometimes to kick people out, so we'll just you know, 260 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.639 jack up the rent. And it's like, is this how 261 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:40.399 the developers and the polite society kind of viewed all 262 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:43.360 these cool bohemians as they viewed them as like these 263 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:45.840 are these are totally and you know, you know the 264 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:49.480 kind of people they are. There's mad scientists, there's vampires, 265 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:54.039 there's zombies. There's weird Nazi sisters and they're little tiny 266 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:55.200 Adolph Clone. 267 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.440 It's out of Clone. Though he looks he actually looks 268 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:00.639 like Greg Ham. It's like a boys friend boom plot 269 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:05.960 because later on there's like Israeli Hitler who shows up artism. 270 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:10.039 Yeah, and then his nose grows In parts of it, 271 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:11.240 he's got a very ax. 272 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:11.960 Yeah. 273 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:14.559 He looks like Sereno de Berger racing parts. 274 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:17.799 I love when they rouge the tip of it. I 275 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.440 put a little little dap aversion. And that's the ride 276 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.200 this film is because by the time that happens, you've 277 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.440 already seen like so much insanity. You're like, sure, you 278 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:31.039 know why? Of course, of course that was a long Yeah. 279 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:33.799 The context that helped most for me, I think was 280 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:35.919 when I was listening to that interview you did with 281 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:39.720 Hayden Mike, was that every single element is pulled from 282 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:42.200 The reason I said Withanol and I earlier is in 283 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:44.240 reference to the opening scene of Windall and I where 284 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:47.519 he's reading the tabloids, because every single plot element was 285 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:51.519 pulled from tabloid headlines and tabloid stories, right, So like 286 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.679 the kind of pastiche brickilage thing he's doing is also 287 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:58.919 just like overtly pulled from the salacious, eye catching grocery 288 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.279 store shit, but it sounds like it doesn't make sense. 289 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.839 It kind of doesn't. And there was another line in 290 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.440 that interview that I wanted to bring up to where 291 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:09.599 he was talking about the idea of what he called 292 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:13.920 VSM or vague semblance of meaning, or he was saying 293 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:15.799 he was trying to write a script rooted in reality 294 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.599 through the press clippings as a total cheat. So there 295 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:21.240 is that feeling that like everything's loose and doesn't make 296 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:25.119 sense on purpose, like just to make you experience the 297 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:27.000 experience more than the narrative. 298 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:30.599 I think it captures that. Yeah, I mean even when 299 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:32.880 it comes to like Dingo Girl, I kind of wonder 300 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:37.319 if she's a based on the whole Lindsay Chamberlain Crichton 301 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:39.920 thing of the Dingo ate my baby, because I think 302 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:43.119 there's a thing later on where well it's the whole like, oh, well, 303 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:48.200 the Dingo stole her, but yet maybe she was abandoned 304 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.440 by I'm going to screw up their names, but the 305 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:57.319 woman that runs the studio feels like that's a reference 306 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:59.720 to that stuff. So being pulled from the headlines totally 307 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:00.359 make sense. 308 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.839 Missus d Wolf, we'll call her. I think she's peeby. 309 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.559 I don't know the eating and peebee thing. It gets 310 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.240 very confusing. But Missus de Wolf, that actress and I 311 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:13.680 love everybody, I mean, David argued for me, is pink 312 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:16.079 in this film, David argued, tends to be king and 313 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:18.519 everything he was in though, just because he has that 314 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.640 sort of like almost where he will suck the focus 315 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:24.559 in if he's on camera, because you just is I mean, 316 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:28.519 he's just magnetic. But number two is Missus de Wolf, 317 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:32.000 that sort of Blanche Dubois patois. 318 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:36.359 She's so good that on vodka through like a baby bottle. 319 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:38.119 Yes, oh my gosh. 320 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:41.319 When she is trying to there's like a levitating doll 321 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:42.759 that I wish we could have seen more of. 322 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:44.200 I am obsessed with this doll. 323 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.279 It's like a pink Raggedy Ann meets those little like 324 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:51.039 razor teeth Barbarella dolls and she's trying to like chew 325 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:53.160 choo train the vodka. 326 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.880 Then the doll says like, yo, fuck the train, lick me, 327 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:57.480 lick me. 328 00:18:58.279 --> 00:18:59.440 Super Exorcist. 329 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:01.920 Yeah, oh my god, I said, no, you know I 330 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:03.119 hate that Lanquitch. 331 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:05.240 That's her response. 332 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:08.039 It's not the fact of this levitating like hell do 333 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:10.119 doll that's wanting you to like it. 334 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:13.200 It's a and that it's just it's Oh, there's so 335 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:18.359 many great little moments you mentioned doctor doctor Hayden Keenan's makeup. 336 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:22.039 I love that he is our doctor. He looks amazing. 337 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:24.559 I think I hate it is such a great face anyways, 338 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:28.720 but like that little pencilton mustache, that sort of almost 339 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:32.359 like if if you ever seen Humphrey Bogart and is 340 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.960 it Doctor X A return of Doctor X. It's like 341 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.920 the one bo yes, and he's got that silver streak. 342 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:41.880 It's it's it's totally giving that. But the way he 343 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:46.000 has his aids free Clone Adrian a poor. 344 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:47.960 Adrian, because the second time we see him, he's like, 345 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.440 you know, you know, I think you hate me, and 346 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.759 he's I don't hate you, fucking idiot. 347 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:56.759 Just all these so many great moments of just insane 348 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:59.640 comedy that just is like nothing else. 349 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.480 The moosehead oh god, oh my god. 350 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:06.440 Yes, yeah, when Bullwinkle showed up, that's where I kind 351 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:08.200 of had to like give into the flow of the 352 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:09.799 film because. 353 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:11.960 He doesn't even try to take that moosehead off. It's 354 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:14.319 just like a part of him for like the longest time, 355 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:17.759 and then finally it's it's off at one point. Yeah, 356 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:20.839 and there's like these visual rhymes that happen because you're 357 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:23.720 talking about like the levitating doll. But then like David 358 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:27.160 Argue led levitates at one point, he's about to kiss 359 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:29.400 Dingo girl, and next thing you know, he starts to 360 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:32.319 float up in the air, and it's just like all 361 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:34.359 these little things where you're like, oh, well, that's kind 362 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:36.279 of similar to this thing over here, and that's kind 363 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:38.440 of similar over there. And I don't know if that's 364 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:42.319 on purpose or just like coincidence, because there's just so 365 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:45.119 many strange things that happen in this film. 366 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.920 This film, I think, really satisfies a sweet spot. 367 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.079 I kind of love a story from an unreliable narrator, 368 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:55.480 which realistically most human stories tend to be, but this 369 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:59.920 one's really from an unreliable narrator, and David argues like 370 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.279 I think his main influence was Terry Thomas as Kle 371 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:06.559 like the Great, the Great Terry Thomas, who's just in 372 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:10.839 so many just that stiff upper lip kind of sensibility 373 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:15.799 and very prattiness. He's a very pratty character kle Is 374 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:20.119 and just he's constantly bungling like you want him in 375 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:22.599 the dinga Girl to be together, but he every single 376 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:24.400 time he has a chance to save her, he fucks 377 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:26.880 it up, Like the first time she does head butt him, 378 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:30.400 so that's different. But then the other times he's just 379 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.359 you know, it's like every single person in this film though, 380 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:35.799 even when they mean well or they still are just 381 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:38.799 looking to kind of use her, which is an aspect 382 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:41.839 of sort of having a messiah character, I think is 383 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:44.400 always a real intriguing one to kind of pursue. You 384 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.480 don't often see it, I think, especially if you're raised 385 00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:50.480 around a lot of religious you know, films or anything, 386 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:52.480 if you're raised very religious. I mean I was raised 387 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.039 around a lot of Southern Baptists, so those that angle 388 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.119 tends to not really explore those kinds of questions. So 389 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:00.680 I love I love seeing that here. 390 00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:03.720 Yeah. I was thinking about Dudley do Right a lot 391 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:07.720 with his affect. Actually I forgot his name after Quaylude. 392 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.400 I was like, I'm gonna google this later, and in 393 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:12.400 my notes, he's just Dudley dow Hi. 394 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:18.200 I'm Quaylude leading Hoon, Quail Sleezing man, excuse me, quake, leading. 395 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:24.519 Horn, loose, sleezing breed, quaylude, leading hoon. Wow, don't tell 396 00:22:24.559 --> 00:22:25.880 me you've come about the ad. 397 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:29.440 I wasn't expecting anyone quite so soon. But uh, if 398 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:31.960 you just stay here, I'll be with you in the moment. 399 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.400 Okay, But now, why won't you marry me? 400 00:22:34.599 --> 00:22:37.039 Because you are too good dadly for you? 401 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:38.599 Nell I would rutten up. 402 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:40.599 There is totally it's some deadley do right. 403 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:44.240 We get Dank the dingo boy, who's also David Argue. 404 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:46.480 David Argue makes an adorable dingo. 405 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:49.799 Yeah, he's got that great voice. And I think the 406 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:53.920 scenes of him and eb or PB, you know, the 407 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.759 male half of the couple, those two going back and forth. 408 00:22:57.799 --> 00:22:59.599 I could just watch that all day long. 409 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:04.400 The fact that that's Esben with the two pey like 410 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:05.039 as well. 411 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:07.880 And it's especially because like there was in one of 412 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:09.400 the articles I found, there was a great picture of 413 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:11.960 him and Hayden from like the earl like around probably 414 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:14.160 going down your early eighties. You can look at Hayden 415 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.240 and be like, I can see how that's doctor doctor 416 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:20.759 espen No, no, no, no no, and he fully gives 417 00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:25.400 in to just the sleazy quote unquote art. I love 418 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:28.920 that his little, like little newspaper ad says art films, 419 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:31.400 but it's a very nebulous doesn't. 420 00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:32.079 Say we're kind of films. 421 00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:35.519 Oh, there are there art films wake, which I'm sure 422 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.880 a lot of real creepy leisure suit wearing. 423 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:43.839 So, Julie, do you like Swedish films? 424 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.559 There are references to porn throughout this movie, Like it's 425 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:51.920 not just his character trying to get Dingo Girl to 426 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:55.799 strip on camera. There's also the green door that everything 427 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:59.039 is behind, and the exploitation thing of the fact that 428 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:02.960 Amanda Dolt is naked eighty percent of the time, right, 429 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:04.759 And it's just kind of a given. It's like you 430 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:09.799 oscillate between the almost Doris Wishman nudy qutie vibe of 431 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:13.119 like or even like rock hell Welsh stuff all the 432 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:13.599 way up. 433 00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:17.799 To behind the green door. So it's it's and the nudity. 434 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:20.759 I love how just kind of random. It seems to 435 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:22.640 get too, like because there are times where I was 436 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:27.079 during the great party scene we see the two sisters 437 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:29.200 and I'm like, look at the gold top and I'm like, 438 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:30.799 wait a minute, those are their boobs? 439 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.599 Like this is a bunch of glitter. 440 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:35.759 We don't get full male nudity, but we have a 441 00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:40.000 naked male bartender who has that great day glow kind 442 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:40.920 of makeup paint. 443 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.000 I love him. We see mister David. That party scene 444 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:44.680 was so fun. 445 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.279 Oh my gosh, that could have gone on longer. Well 446 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.640 this movie, God, it could be eight hours and I'd 447 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.519 be like more more, but yeah, and mister David can't live. 448 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.200 I even get to mister David, our most zombie of 449 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:59.559 all the zombies, because he's like a voo proper voodoo zombie. 450 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:04.920 And that's Ian Nimmo, who has a great history with Hayden. 451 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:08.319 And there's a really cool music video for Going Down 452 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:12.079 that Hayden directed and Ian's in it. It kind of 453 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:14.480 floors me because I rewatched that music video for prepping 454 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:18.240 for this today and I'm like, goud, that's mister David. Yeah, 455 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:20.680 mister David at one point ends up naked doing that 456 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:24.359 ancient sort of yogi technique. It seems like where you 457 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:28.480 swallow like muslin cloth and you pull it out. It's 458 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:32.440 supposed to cleanse your intestines. I mean, anybody listening to 459 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.519 this don't maybe don't try that at home. But that 460 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:41.119 kind of reference greg Ham for a minutet work. Really, 461 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:42.920 he does look like you could be a little Adolph's 462 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.720 like bigger brother. Oh yeah, greg Ham is my favorite 463 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:49.759 minute work member. Colin has a class second, but him 464 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:54.359 is Marvel the Magnificent. We get him as a magician. 465 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:58.480 I love Carnie magicians in general, but Greg Ham is 466 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.119 right up there with William Finley from the Fun House 467 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:01.759 as Marv. 468 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:05.440 He's like Marco the Magician. That's probably pure coincidence, but 469 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:05.839 I love it. 470 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:09.319 As we get a Colin Hay song on the soundtrack 471 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:12.319 as well, which is nice. That was kind of a 472 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.920 surprise for me. I really like Caong myself, King Smith, 473 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:21.039 who I didn't realize that he I'm pretty sure he's 474 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:23.119 the main, one of the three main people in the 475 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:27.279 Quiet Earth, And then I know he was a featured 476 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.759 orc in the Lord of the Rings movies, So I 477 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.440 don't know what his lines were if he gets to 478 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.160 talk about being back on the menu or anything, but 479 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:40.079 I guess I would be featured or Chai if that 480 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.839 were the case. But I don't know how many people 481 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:47.200 were employed to be Orcs and goblins and Orcai and 482 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.640 Lord of the Rings. But like it feels like it 483 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.440 feels like it was mostly Maori guys that were in 484 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:55.640 that makeup, because most of the time, like there's a 485 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.200 bad guy who's in Die Another Day and it's like, well, 486 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:01.519 what else was this? And sure enough he's like one 487 00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:03.920 of the lead orcs. So it's like all right, yeah, 488 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.640 like you're in New Zealand, you got a good build, 489 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:09.680 let's put you in some orc makeup here. 490 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.839 That's reminding me of the Island of Doctor Moreau. 491 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.799 They literally just hired tons of like carnies and then 492 00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:21.200 a bunch of local folks, like indigenous local folks, to 493 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.000 do stuff. And so there's a scene in that movie 494 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.599 where there's just a didgeridoo in the background and it's 495 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.200 just because the guy was a professional like digeridoo player, 496 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.400 and they were like, that's cool, we'll put that in here. 497 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.480 There is a lot of Island of Doctor Moreau as 498 00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:36.559 well with his character where it's just. 499 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:37.759 Like you gotta help me, Doc. 500 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:39.839 I'm sick of being rejected. Doc, I'm sick of the 501 00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:43.519 girls laughing at me. Make me make me appealing. I 502 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:49.720 want animal magnetism, you call. I don't think that would 503 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:51.079 be so difficult, got. 504 00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:53.599 I love everybody. 505 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.759 All the women's response for one of those sisters is 506 00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:57.720 like yeah, wow, Wow, what a. 507 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:01.920 Chest he's injected with like gorilla DNA. But then it 508 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.519 was like, oh, gorillas have really small penises or something, 509 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:05.799 and he's like, what the hell are you doing to 510 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:06.519 call and come on? 511 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.160 I feel like it's inferred that the Dingo Girl and 512 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:13.119 cong kind of hook up, but she's has remained her 513 00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:14.039 maiden head. 514 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:16.000 Head. 515 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:17.559 I don't know if it has heard this. 516 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.200 There's a line where I feel like doctor Doctor referred 517 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:24.960 to her vagina as her shamehole. So I have new 518 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.599 vernacular for my next go to college disappointment. But yeah, 519 00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:31.480 but yeah, so her mi made it is still attacked. 520 00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:35.119 So if his penis really, oh poor Kong. 521 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:35.920 I do love him. 522 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.759 I love it when he starts staring up his apartment 523 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:43.079 and mister de Wolfe is basically like, I'm gonna tell 524 00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.359 my wife that's not part of your agreement, and he 525 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:47.920 goes squad squad. 526 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.680 Right exactly back to the squatting again. Yeah, we mentioned 527 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.119 the religious overtones and this whole idea of like the 528 00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:59.000 Holy ghost showing up and she's the set up. The 529 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:02.279 Dingo girls set up t be this like savior type character, 530 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:04.759 and then there's the whole thing of like, oh, well, 531 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:07.519 the witnesses are on the way, and they just cut 532 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.680 to this car with this guy who's got these intense, 533 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.759 like rasputant eyes driving, and you've got this little boy 534 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:17.720 in the middle who's got a cross, and you've got 535 00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:19.640 this woman. I don't know if she's a wife or 536 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.960 the older sister, but she's dressed up like she's from 537 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:25.880 the sixties or whatever. And it's just like they cut 538 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.640 to that and it's only on screen for I don't know, 539 00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.640 less than a minute, and then they forget about it 540 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:34.440 for an hour, and then all of a sudden at 541 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:36.680 the end, it's like, oh, the witnesses are here. It's like, 542 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:39.319 what a way to set up, you know. I love 543 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:40.680 that set up and pay off they have. 544 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.599 I love this the complete cynicism. 545 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.960 We really get about religion and God with this film, 546 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:51.359 because like, the Holy Ghost has been basically defracked because yeah, 547 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:54.880 he got missus DeWolf pregnant, but she had a girl, 548 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:59.599 and God won't accept a female messiah, which yeah, that's bullshit, 549 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.559 But also why do we have to keep sacrificing people here? 550 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:05.079 But yeah, he's great. 551 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.640 I love when he comes back at the end and 552 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.519 he's wearing that like nudy suit that's got like the 553 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:14.720 anti Jesus fish in sequence on the back. 554 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.680 Is God, Elvis? Am I mistaken? Am I remembering that? 555 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.799 I don't think you're mistaken. I don't think you're mistaken. 556 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:24.720 I'm teaching a class on my book right now, and 557 00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.160 I was talking about Rosemary's Baby and that reminded me 558 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.839 of that whole dinner conversation in Rosemary's Baby about like 559 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.240 imagine how much he spends on robes alone, you know, 560 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:38.480 And yeah, like God as an Elvis impersonator is really 561 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:39.759 crossly excellent. 562 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.559 Got the showmanship down, that's for sure, in those spangling out. 563 00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:45.279 And gray hair, Oh yeah yeah. 564 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.880 And then there's all the like gonzo Shakespeare stuff happening throughout. 565 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:51.200 Not a lady of the Frame narrative, but you just 566 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.559 have random references to Hamlet and Midsummer Night's Dream, and 567 00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.240 like the last line is a reference. I think it's 568 00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:59.880 to Midsummer Night's Dream if I'm remembering correct. 569 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.119 It is, Yes, the whole if we have offended thee 570 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:02.920 that whole. 571 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.160 Thing, yeah, yeah, And like plays within the play kind 572 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.960 of the that Shakespearean frame narrative thing going through. It 573 00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:13.200 is a great parallel to the religious stuff because it 574 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.880 just feels like he threw high culture and low culture 575 00:31:16.359 --> 00:31:19.200 into a blender and let the blender explode. 576 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.880 Kong ends up becoming kind of King Kong, also kind 577 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.000 of island of Doctor Morowe. Then you've got like a 578 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.400 magic mirror at one point that's talking with Missus de 579 00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:31.039 Wolf and it's like, where's this coming from? And then 580 00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.920 you talked about the doll and everything. It's just all 581 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.319 of these weirdo little references here and there, and then yeah, 582 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.599 mixing them with the Shakespeare and then the religion, and 583 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.039 I mean, this movie just it pays off. It gives 584 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.839 you so much more each time you watch it. I 585 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.880 can't say it ever really gels one hundred percent as 586 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.079 far as like, oh this makes complete sense to me now, 587 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.960 but I definitely make more sense of it the more 588 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:56.680 I watch it. 589 00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.720 The thing that really helped pull me into this film 590 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:01.759 just from the get go, you know. And there's actually 591 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.279 a really phenomenal trailer for this on YouTube. 592 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:05.839 So anybody if you're. 593 00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.599 Curious but you don't want to like put forth the money, yeah, 594 00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:10.240 you know, I did the commitment what's a trailer and 595 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:12.799 see what you think, But the way that the visual 596 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.960 language and the lighting and the composition, like Hayden has 597 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.160 such a great eye. 598 00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:19.839 There's a shot of the dingo girl that's kind of. 599 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.799 In the moonlight outside and there's like that those yellows 600 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.160 and that sort of like dreamy sort of dark blue 601 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:30.759 behind her, and just you know, everything has something very 602 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.160 visually arresting in it, and it can be something subtle, 603 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.160 it can be something really over the top, but that's 604 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:37.519 the thing. 605 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.880 And I was really I was so disheartened to see. 606 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:41.799 I'm not surprised because I think a lot of times 607 00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:45.400 when an artist really does something out of the box, 608 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.279 they're usually nine times out of ten going to be 609 00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:52.119 probably either misunderstood or just you know, pushed to the 610 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.920 side for you know, something more respectable, like a like 611 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:57.559 a nice drama. And I love dramas, but you know 612 00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.200 what I mean, Like, if you go out bounds, you're 613 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.000 usually not going to get received well. 614 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.200 And Panemonium got some really just. 615 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:08.880 Amazingly bad reviews and just everything from I saw one 616 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.720 and these are all from Australia, you know, just writing 617 00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:14.240 it off as a rocky clone, which I'm like, I 618 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.160 don't think you watched the movie all the way if 619 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:18.720 that's all that was your only takeaway. 620 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:23.200 But you can't make a movie like this without knowing 621 00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:26.720 exactly what you're doing because everything is so well connected. 622 00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:29.000 I mean, I love the fact Peyton the high and 623 00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.680 low art. That's brilliant because you just nailed it. That's 624 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.759 exactly what he's doing here, and that's why you can 625 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:35.440 watch it again. 626 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:37.599 I think if somebody's just making something that's for the 627 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:41.759 lowest common denominator, that's not going to be very rewatchable, 628 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:43.720 first of all, but also it's not going to be 629 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.599 very memorable. There's all there's all the time like terrible 630 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.200 shitty movies that are made to be just outrageous, but 631 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:54.279 there's no skill, there's no vision, there's no subversiveness. And 632 00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:56.039 that's the thing you got to have, to me for 633 00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.000 something to stick, you have to have that subversive sort 634 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.880 of spirit about it, something that is very anti status quo, 635 00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:04.720 because that's the food for thought. 636 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:06.200 It's giving you that sustenance. 637 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.840 I mean, surrealism's great, but you got to have like 638 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.079 it's like a cake, you know, Like the surrealism is 639 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.000 the sprinkles of the frosting, but you got to have 640 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.320 that cake to support it, and this film is all 641 00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:19.960 cake and sprinkles and all of that. 642 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.440 That's a very strange bakery analogy. 643 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.559 But that makes sense for this movie too. There was 644 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:28.239 a great anecdote that I think speaks to that dynamic 645 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.119 where it's like you have to both be a collage 646 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:35.280 artist and a composer at the same time, where the 647 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.199 sets were literally taken from the trash right like it 648 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:43.000 was theater company's like random sets that they weren't using anymore, 649 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.400 and he just kind of went and they were like, yeah, 650 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.599 we just did. Had a gabbler like you want the mansion, 651 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:49.440 and he was like, perfect, and that's. 652 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.199 Why it's there. It's great because you just you toss 653 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:52.639 it together. 654 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.000 But if you have enough yeah vision, then you can 655 00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:56.840 actually make that work. 656 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.599 Another movie I was reminded of with this and Feel Free, 657 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.480 how they're to tell me that I'm just full of shit. 658 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.239 I was reminded a little bit of Cafe Flesh while 659 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.679 I was watching this, especially like the big party scene 660 00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:10.920 that they have. It just felt very much like the 661 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:12.920 cabaret type atmosphere for me. 662 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.800 Mike, first, I'd never tell you you're full of shit. That's 663 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.119 rude and you and you are never full of shit. 664 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:20.840 I wouldn't. 665 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:22.840 I wouldn't be on the show if I thought you 666 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.800 had potential to be full, to be full of the shite. 667 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:31.039 But no, I could see that, especially because both Stephen 668 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:36.480 and Hayden have a very strong visual eye, and especially 669 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.280 with the artificial with these stay you know, like the 670 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:43.920 stage setup, the makeup, that sense of applying. 671 00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.559 Even when you're playing something real, there's something very artificial 672 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.920 to sort of outline it and give you that contrast. 673 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:51.880 So no, I could see that. 674 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.239 I mean, they're two very different films, but I think 675 00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:56.360 I mean, I mean, I think almost everything's probably pretty 676 00:35:56.360 --> 00:36:00.159 different from Anemonium, but that's why we're talking about it. 677 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:03.880 It's amazing, and there's really nothing quite like Cafe Flush either. 678 00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:05.320 But I could see that. 679 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:06.199 I could see that. 680 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.000 I mean, I think that would actually be a fun 681 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.599 double feature because kat Fia Flush is so brilliant, but 682 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.960 it's ultimately very sad, you know, it's Scott that melancholy 683 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.000 about it, So you'd kind of after that you might 684 00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.239 want to watch Pandemonium and kind of jure evening on 685 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.679 a higher note in terms of the frame narrative, what 686 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:25.679 like where he's sitting and talking to that woman on 687 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:26.079 the bus. 688 00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:29.320 What movie did you guys think about? Because for me, 689 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.280 the first thing that jumped to mind was the Realm 690 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:33.639 of the Ancient Mariner. But I mean, obviously, frame narratives 691 00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:35.960 of that kind are you know, all over the map, 692 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.800 and it's it's like, clearly you know a classic, like 693 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.440 you know forty's universal horror type riff. 694 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:44.320 So what jumped to your guys's mind. 695 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.239 You're gonna hate what I say, But I've brought this 696 00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:50.960 up recently, and I'm trying to remember which movie I 697 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:56.039 was talking about. I despise frame narratives that don't come back, 698 00:36:56.239 --> 00:37:00.960 that are just then they're like one bookend. I immediately 699 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.880 thought whenever I see this, I thought of Aladdin because Aladdin, 700 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.599 they never come back to that frickin' frame, and it 701 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.920 drives me up a wall. It's the old man telling 702 00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:11.840 the story of Aladdin. We never get back to that 703 00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:15.719 little old man who's also voiced by Robin Williams. So 704 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.719 I was so happy when they actually come back to 705 00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.440 the frame at the end. I was like, please please 706 00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:24.000 come back, make sure that you wrap this thing up 707 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:27.079 and sure enough that poor girl kind of like that 708 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:31.079 poor lady from Forrest Gump, sitting there listening to this 709 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.480 mad man at a bus stop argue with that wild 710 00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.960 white hair and that kind of his face is super pale, 711 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.280 and then wearing that straight jacket and just letting the 712 00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:44.559 arms flap around and stuff. He looks amazing. 713 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.079 I think at the time it just me it felt 714 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.599 very like an old Hollywood thing, but I can't think. 715 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:51.679 Of what specific title. 716 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.159 I think I was probably blinded by the David Argue 717 00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.719 in that great sort of wig and his weird giggle, 718 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.599 the heat that's this weird sort of like shrieky giggle 719 00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:06.119 in it got There's so many just little things that 720 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:10.199 even even when like the Dingo girl is starting to come, 721 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.159 you know, just starting to feel very sensuous, and she 722 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.559 keeps her pawing at Kale and he's like stop that, 723 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.480 and she goes pussy pussy wet, wet, and the way 724 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.719 the way he reacts like I can't even do it, 725 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:25.400 but he's like pussy pussy wet. 726 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:26.119 What is? 727 00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:27.360 It's just iconic. 728 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:30.440 We're hitting all the zingers. The only only haven't really 729 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.760 talked about yet is the giant dildo machine. 730 00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:35.920 Oh my god, so good. 731 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:38.800 I'm actually glad that you said the thing about the 732 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.199 strait jacket though, because that actually clicked in my head. 733 00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:44.960 I realized what movie they're referencing, which is the the 734 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.960 nineteen forty thirty four Dwayne Espermaniac. 735 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:53.119 Oh my god, the hair. I'm like, yes, holy shit, yes, 736 00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.039 oh my god. Now that's a double bill. 737 00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.519 I'm surprised we didn't have a cat get its eyeball 738 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.320 poked out here. If that was the only thing we 739 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.559 did get, well, Adolf got a ball. That's what this 740 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:05.599 movie does to you, though. 741 00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:07.840 You're like, poor a little Adolf, and then you're like, wait, 742 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:08.679 what am I saying? 743 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:09.840 Oh? 744 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:14.039 And the little like the little people that come in 745 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.639 with which I could. 746 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:17.320 Be very wrong on this. 747 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.679 I know that there's a musician and singer that has 748 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:22.800 three roles in this film, but they're all very small roles, 749 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:28.599 Ignacious Jones. And I'm a big sort of post punk fan. 750 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:30.599 And he did a song called like a Ghost that 751 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.000 I've always really loved. And I notice he's in this movie, 752 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.760 which I'm like, Ignacious Jones. I think he's the guy 753 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:39.880 that gives the news that Adolph is gonna have to 754 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:43.000 be put down because they found the other. Fear that 755 00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:44.480 I could be wrong on that because the other two 756 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.639 roles because it's director, wedding attendant and something else. 757 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:51.519 Anyways, that's an aside. 758 00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.519 But if there's any if all two of you out 759 00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:58.119 there that know the song like a ghosts that guy's 760 00:39:58.119 --> 00:39:58.800 in this movie? 761 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.480 No is he He's a he's a regular. 762 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:05.480 Yeah, That's why I'm thinking, because like, I don't remember 763 00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.400 there being like a film director in this film night. 764 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.239 I mean other than like mister de Wolf. I'm wondering 765 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.960 if the director means the guy giving the news, the 766 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.119 Teddy Bear picnic coming into place. 767 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.719 And seeing those little like womp like she's only a wombat. 768 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:26.440 It's adorable, adorable, Australia's amathing. She's the whole coke snorting 769 00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:29.119 with little Adolph. 770 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.599 I kind of, but I love her wanting revenge like 771 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.320 that's a great great like character arc. I mean, the 772 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.239 doll just pulls that off brilliantly. Kale is so square. 773 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:40.920 I see the Dudley do right completely because like when 774 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:42.599 he brust in, he's like, is this some kind of 775 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:47.280 marijuana party? And he refers to them earlier as dreary hippies. 776 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:51.320 What a sad, little little oxymoron that is. I know, 777 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:55.559 it's like, I don't know how a mad scientist one 778 00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:00.800 to two vampires, a voodoo zombie and some beautiful Nazi 779 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.639 lesbian acestuous sisters are dreary hippies. 780 00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:06.840 I don't remember that Woodstock. 781 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.760 I love that he has the book that he gives her, 782 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:11.840 and you see the book when he's dressed up as 783 00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:16.599 that kind of Egyptian god type figure, and then him 784 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.840 just walking off into that moonlight, just along the water 785 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.559 and off he goes. Yeah, well you've got that whole 786 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.599 quote from Midsummer Night's stream on there. I mean, this 787 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.400 movie is fucking wild. 788 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.440 And there's like a little bit of money Python type 789 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:33.199 DNA in there. 790 00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:35.119 In terms, I was thinking, this is going to be 791 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.599 totally random, but John Landis's Schlock the kind of weird 792 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:42.440 seventies comedy picuresque thing that you get with these kinds 793 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:46.079 of loose meta referential narrative structures. 794 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:47.599 I was thinking about Schlock. 795 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:50.639 But also Muney Python with just like a very simple 796 00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.280 series of puns like have you heard of Sirius? 797 00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:54.360 This is serious? 798 00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:55.159 No serious? 799 00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:58.639 The whatever that you know, the star and it's just great. 800 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.320 Oh completely, yeah, because at at what point we get 801 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.400 you know, yo, this is a laboratory, not a laboratory. 802 00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.400 This film really does have something for everybody if they 803 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:09.360 have an open mind. 804 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:13.039 Granted, but I actually wrote this down I have. 805 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:17.280 I found in researching in some of those papers, the 806 00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.000 best quote about Pandemonium I've ever read from Hayden Keenan 807 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:25.519 himself describing it as it's a rat bag ride through 808 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:30.239 a landscape of sacred cows. We've taken people's favorite items 809 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:33.920 and put them an aspect. If I ever get a tattoo. 810 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.000 That is on the LISZ, that kind of nails it. 811 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.400 But even then it only begins to cover. 812 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:42.519 I've always wanted to kind of find Dave Jackson and 813 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.400 just to say like, thank you for writing about this film. 814 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.039 That's how I discovered it. I am. 815 00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:50.840 I'm hoping that we do get more about Hayden in 816 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.440 this country, especially which Peyton. 817 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:55.400 I'm so I'm so happy and jealous. 818 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.679 You got to see that that Muscle release, because God 819 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:01.880 bless Liz Purcell for all the work she's doing with 820 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:05.960 Muscle Distribution, and particularly with Hayden, because he's such a 821 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:09.599 cool and I think important filmmaker and just not really 822 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.400 that known over here, especially with Pandemonium even more so. 823 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:16.159 And yeah, I would love to say that, because that's 824 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.760 it's a very misunderstood film. I don't know why. 825 00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:20.880 I was hoping for at least one really, like one 826 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.360 reviewer that was cool enough to get this film over 827 00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:24.280 in Australia. 828 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:25.039 And maybe they were. 829 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.840 I mean, ug well Dave was, but I mean in 830 00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:31.000 the papers. But it did play cable in Australia like 831 00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:36.280 at midnight, which god, can you imagine like like surfing, 832 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:37.960 Like you get home from a party and you're like, oh, 833 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.400 what's on Cinemax or whate of the equivalent. 834 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.639 You know, it never got a theatrical in Australia, right, 835 00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.039 So it's like it's not like you went to the 836 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:47.719 movies and then you saw It's not like Planet of 837 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:49.320 the Apes for being. 838 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:49.960 On TV all the time. 839 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.320 It's like, what is that ghost object that is only 840 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:54.639 on cable at midnight? 841 00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:57.760 Yeah, and it had a VHS front I think a 842 00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.880 little bit later in Australia it didn't come out. I 843 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:03.760 think immediately I might be wrong on that, but that's 844 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.800 I've found something that kind of inferred that I don't 845 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.719 know I mean there's so many like mediocre movies. I'm 846 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.039 always sort of like, I think flummix, I understand if 847 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:14.119 this isn't for somebody, there's a lot of I mean, 848 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:15.480 but nothing's really for everybody. 849 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:18.199 But I'm always like, just like, really, this is what 850 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:19.480 you guys are gonna hate. 851 00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:23.519 On, Like with the thirty million dollar epics or whatever 852 00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.360 coming out of Hollywood that are just like eating I 853 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.480 don't know, like a rice cake, like you forget about 854 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.079 it as soon as you eat it. You won't forget 855 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.320 this film. I mean, that's the thing. Even if somebody 856 00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.519 hates it, I can't imagine they're gonna forget the Bullwinkle. 857 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.719 I'm so glad you brought that up. That Boo said, 858 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:42.320 which is in the trailer. That probably is a good 859 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.800 litmus test. If you're down with the Bullwinkle, you're down 860 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:46.760 with pandemonium. 861 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:51.159 Yeah, you're not bothered by the Nazi lesbians. I mean, 862 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:53.800 everything is trying to offend you. If you like that 863 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.920 punk vibe, you'll like this movie. If you have a 864 00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:01.000 problem with the AIDS and non aids clone than probably 865 00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:02.400 seek elsewhere. 866 00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.320 I mean, they have a burning schwastika that looks like 867 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.760 it's going to start spinning around at any moment. I mean, 868 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.400 it's built on that punk rock aesthetic where it's just like, 869 00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:13.159 oh you like this will fuck you. We're going to 870 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:14.559 just do whatever we want. 871 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.039 We're Adrian there because the a's free clone, we only 872 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:18.920 really see him as like a jan in the pan, 873 00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:20.440 we only get to see his head. 874 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.280 I'm like, that's little. 875 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.280 I love the Brain, the Brain that went and die 876 00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:27.519 got that. That is a wild movie. That's the spirit 877 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:29.719 this film should be taken into. But again it's like 878 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:31.320 that's why, I like. 879 00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:33.239 Why isn't this a bigger cult film? 880 00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.800 I mean, I know it was like limited, but you 881 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.840 kind of think because there are Australian films I've heard 882 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.840 about way before, heard about this one, that were like 883 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.559 shot on video, that were way more kind of underground, 884 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:48.280 like Smoke Them if you Got Them, which that film 885 00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.320 I do really recommen especially if you're going for something 886 00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:53.679 that's like post apocalyptic, but like on Truck or Speed, 887 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:55.159 that one's very punk rock. 888 00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.280 It's great. You know, I can't think of like an 889 00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.239 American equivalent, but it's kind of like knowing about Nick 890 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.960 Zed before you know about I don't know, like Stephen 891 00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:06.199 Sadian like both are great, but it's like, why is 892 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.280 the morunderground stuff better known over here than Hayden. 893 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:11.679 Well, And Hayden is just such a nice guy. I 894 00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:15.000 was telling how their last week Peyton is that after 895 00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:19.320 I interviewed him a couple weeks before the whole incident 896 00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:23.800 at Bondai Beach that happened with the recent shooting recent 897 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:28.039 as to this recording, and I was just like, are 898 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.239 you okay or I hear about Bondai Beach and we 899 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.440 were just talking about it and here's this incident and 900 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.519 he was just like, oh yeah, it was horrific, and 901 00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.559 he he opened up his house and was just like, 902 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.800 you know, hey, come on in, Like people are running 903 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.039 down the street and he's just like flagging people down, 904 00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:43.800 like you know, here's a safe space kind of thing. 905 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.400 And it's just like most people probably wouldn't do that. 906 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:48.400 They probably just shut the door and be like, well, 907 00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.440 you know, make sure that I'm safe and fuck everybody else. 908 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.480 But it's just like, no, come on in. And I 909 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:56.400 love him. He's just like always like a disaster movie. 910 00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:58.519 And then after we're all in there for a while, 911 00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.400 it felt like extreminitated Angel and I'm just like, thank 912 00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:05.400 you filmmaker for making a reference to an exterminity angel. 913 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.559 I'm so glad you are telling stories in the way 914 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.480 that I tell stories, where're just relating things back to movies. 915 00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:12.239 So thank you. I appreciate that. 916 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.320 I don't and to see of artists that you are 917 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:18.800 afraid if you know anything about the most people, they're 918 00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:19.559 going to disappoint you. 919 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:24.039 Hayden Keenan is the exception. I love that. Anytime I've 920 00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:25.840 told an about this film, I'm like, if you want. 921 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.639 To support him, get it from Smart Street Films, try 922 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.320 not to tour at it, don't do any of that 923 00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:33.880 like support and that thing. It's like, we've got to 924 00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.199 support our artists if we ever, if we want to 925 00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.880 continue having great art and great out of bounds art, 926 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.039 especially art that's not going to play by the rules 927 00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:45.679 and you know, be safe for you know, certain festivals 928 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.199 or whatever, you've got to support indies. 929 00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:50.480 And Hayden Keenan's the real deal. He's been doing this 930 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.239 since the early seventies of not late sixties. 931 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:57.960 That's something I really appreciated about Liz Burchell's muscle distribution, right, 932 00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.119 is like what they've been doing with Custration movie in 933 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:01.559 that road show is. 934 00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:03.760 So incredible on that score. 935 00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.239 Also what Annapurnaser did with Buck Toys this year, which 936 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:14.000 hasn't gotten a distribution deal yet. But just like sex Worker, Queer, Fantasia, Crazy, Camp, Fever, 937 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.679 Dream Beautiful, you know, so it's like those are the 938 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.360 best movies, you know, when I have to do for like, 939 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:21.599 you know, my film criticism thing, like my top ten 940 00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:23.559 of the year. Most of the time, the things that 941 00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:26.079 I love most are the things I saw at festivals 942 00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:28.239 and then you have to wait two years for them 943 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.559 to come out, right, But like Castration movie, you can 944 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.159 just rent for five dollars directly from the filmmakers right now, 945 00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.239 and that's fantastic and everyone should, you know, support independent 946 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:41.800 art from across generations and we love movie. 947 00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:43.800 I did not know that you could rent that. I've 948 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.239 been looking for it, so now I'm gonna have to 949 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.039 try that down. So awesome. 950 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:50.159 Yeah, no, everything I've seawright, I'm like, I want to 951 00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:50.480 see that. 952 00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.559 But I'm I've land lucked and a part of the 953 00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:58.119 region that doesn't really get cool screenings. So I'm somebody 954 00:48:58.159 --> 00:48:59.960 who has to kind of rely on either like physical 955 00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:02.960 media or rental and. 956 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:03.440 I love that you can rint it. 957 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.280 That's really because so many people are stuck out in 958 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:07.639 the Midwest or the South where they you know, or. 959 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.760 Some small town where they can't access cool stuff like that. 960 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.480 And then when it comes to Fuck Toys, I know 961 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.559 that Rob Saint Mary has seen that. I've had a 962 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:19.719 copy of it forever, but I haven't sat down and 963 00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.920 watched it. So now with your recommendation, it's like Rob 964 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:24.360 a few months ago is like, we should do an 965 00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:27.440 episode on this, and I'm like, dude, the holidays are 966 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:29.599 coming up. There's no way that I can do anything. 967 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:31.760 But it's like, okay, yeah, no, So it sounds like 968 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.320 I'm going to have to sit down and watch that 969 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:35.840 one finally. So thanks for the reco on that. 970 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.000 And I could talk about that movie for hours, like 971 00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.239 it's really something so special. 972 00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.800 It's just a crazy, a crazy experience. 973 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:47.920 Let's go ahead and take a break and we'll be 974 00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:50.880 back with an interview with Hayden Keenan. Right after these 975 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.880 brief messages looking for something superior to streaming a place 976 00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:57.559 with more than five times the selection available and all 977 00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.159 of the streaming services combined, I've got Scarecrow videos ran 978 00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:04.239 by mail service so like from an unparalleled collection of 979 00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:06.960 over one hundred and fifty films and get Blu rays, 980 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:10.159 four k's and DVDs delivered directly to your door. 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I'd love to get a 983 00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:22.800 little bit of how you got into filmmaking overall, I 984 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.079 suppose with the number of these things, it's serendipity. 985 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:30.000 Where my father died when I was quite young, about eight, 986 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.280 and my mother for reasons beyond me, I'd never been 987 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.960 out of Melbourne in Australia, and sold up and we 988 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:45.039 moved to Vancouver in nineteen fifty nine, and from there 989 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.800 we moved to London and I went to a little 990 00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:55.000 school outside London where I boarded with a very international 991 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.719 group it was multicultural before the word was invented, and 992 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:06.559 started acting in school plays. From there, I came back 993 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:11.280 to Australia and discovered the smell of chemicals and a 994 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:16.840 red light and started taking still photographs and met a 995 00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:21.880 group of like minded people at my high school and 996 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:26.320 we started making a little film together. I was acting 997 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:29.679 and I was the star of the first film we 998 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:33.559 made of you know sex religion, teachers, parents, you know, 999 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.360 to get it all off your chest in your first film, 1000 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.800 which I'm a great believer in. And then myself and 1001 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.079 my partner swapped roles and he was the lead in 1002 00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:49.880 my first film. So I applied for the National Acting School, 1003 00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:54.480 the Institute of Dramatic Art here, and I also applied. 1004 00:51:54.599 --> 00:52:00.440 We had a government film studio here which produced films 1005 00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:06.599 for use in schools, embassies and various government departments. You know, 1006 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:09.639 how to use an artillery piece in the field for 1007 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:14.760 the Defense Department, that sort of stuff. But I didn't 1008 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:16.880 make it into I thought, whichever one I get into, 1009 00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:23.119 I'll do. And I didn't make it into the Acting School, 1010 00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:26.719 but I did make it into the It was called 1011 00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:32.360 the Commonwealth Film Unit. In that Film unit, Australia had 1012 00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:36.920 just thrown off the shackles of nearly thirty years of 1013 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:42.480 conservative government where there was no support for Australian culture 1014 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:47.599 or artistic output. And when the left of center labor 1015 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:52.480 government came in, there was support for film theater, all 1016 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.800 sorts of stuff. When I went to work at the 1017 00:52:54.800 --> 00:53:02.760 Commonwealth Film Unit, amongst the young cohort Peter Weir, who 1018 00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:08.199 went on to direct a million films. The camera department 1019 00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:12.039 had Dean Semler, who won the Oscar for dancers with wolves. 1020 00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:15.840 There was people who as a twenty year old you 1021 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:20.159 thought they were all incredibly old and conservative. We continued 1022 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:25.800 making short films after hours while being the third assistant director, 1023 00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:30.679 driving extras home, sweeping the floor, and in fact, you know, 1024 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:35.800 it was funnily enough, it was a medieval guild system. 1025 00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:41.119 There was no film schools, there was no framed tertiary certificate. 1026 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.840 You were in a strand, whether it was editing or 1027 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:51.079 production or camera, and when the people above you decided 1028 00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.800 you were ready to move up a level, you did. 1029 00:53:54.719 --> 00:54:02.440 And it was an incredibly efficient and incredibly valuable process 1030 00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:09.320 because you really learned what now meant I need it now? 1031 00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:13.480 There are no excuses. I can remember my first week 1032 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.360 we were shooting a film with Peter Weir was directing 1033 00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:22.000 it and I just arrived in Sydney from Melbourne, and 1034 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:24.880 I was the third assistant and the first assistant who 1035 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.960 runs the set, and the third assistant is that person's assistant. 1036 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.559 He came to me and he said, I need two 1037 00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:35.679 white horses and you've got two hours to get them. 1038 00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.079 And I'd been in Sydney for ten days. I had 1039 00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.440 no idea where I was, and I said, where will 1040 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:43.280 I get them? He said, I don't mind. I had 1041 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:47.679 walked off. So I learned the craft of lying and 1042 00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:51.440 schmoozing and cajoling and your horse will be a star. 1043 00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.639 And I found a stables and I brought back three 1044 00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:59.880 horses and the director could choose the two he wanted. 1045 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.320 That meant I got the job next week as well, 1046 00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:05.679 because this kid's a goer. This kid knows as opposed 1047 00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:09.800 to I've got a certificate from a film school that says, 1048 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:14.400 I'm Fellini, what do you mean? I have to interrupt 1049 00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.840 my phone call to go and find some horses. So 1050 00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:23.679 it was an incredibly valuable learning experience making films after hours, 1051 00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:26.599 and we made a couple of short films which won 1052 00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:30.719 two of the three categories at the Sydney Film Festival, 1053 00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:36.400 Documentary and Drama. And because both of us had the 1054 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:41.480 defective David O. Selznick gene where we were moguls, we 1055 00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:46.679 immediately resigned aged twenty and twenty one and set about 1056 00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:50.519 making a feature film which everyone said, oh, you'll never 1057 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.079 be able to do it, et cetera, et cetera, and 1058 00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:59.280 nineteen seventy one. The world was on fire. Haskell Wexler 1059 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:03.039 had made me Liam Pool. The Novelle Vague was happening 1060 00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:08.159 the front the English Tony Richardson. The whole scene was exploding. 1061 00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:16.000 In many ways, a more democratic, youthful the generation reaching 1062 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:22.559 maturity after World War II was overthrowing the old farts 1063 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:26.719 who were telling us how films should be made, and 1064 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:31.920 in the first flush of support for films in Australia, 1065 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.599 because Australia in many ways is uncertain of its place 1066 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:42.599 in the world where a Caucasian community at that stage, 1067 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:46.519 particularly in the South of Asia in the South Pacific, 1068 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.199 we were never quite sure of who or what we were. 1069 00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:53.920 We were living in a space the size of just 1070 00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:58.159 smaller than the USA, with a population about the size 1071 00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:02.599 of New York. We didn't dominate the land mass. The 1072 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:07.679 land mass dominates you in Australia, and we weren't quite 1073 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:11.000 sure who we were, and consequently, much of the stuff 1074 00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:17.280 we were turning out was nineteen fifty style studio work. 1075 00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:23.159 It was either Tit's in US, sex comedies, middle of 1076 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:30.039 the Road, Victorian era historical melodramas. While the world was 1077 00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:34.280 on fire, people were putting cameras on their shoulders and 1078 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:40.360 diving into the Democratic Convention riots in nineteen sixty eight. 1079 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.159 And here we were making slow pans across the landscape 1080 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.400 with girls in you know, long dresses and you know, 1081 00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:54.760 and we set our film inside a mental asylum. It 1082 00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:58.760 was the story of a man who was alcoholic and 1083 00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:02.880 locked up under a section of the Mental Health Act, 1084 00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:07.000 section twenty seven A, which allowed the government to lock 1085 00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:11.159 you in an asylum until you could prove your eligibility 1086 00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:18.280 to be released. It was rough, it was fantastic. It 1087 00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:25.280 was social Realist on your shoulder, Hamer in your face, wonderful, 1088 00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:29.079 wonderful actors finally given a chance after the desert of 1089 00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:33.199 no film production. Australian film production had been taken over 1090 00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:36.800 and all our cinemas bought by the US and England 1091 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:40.239 after the war, and there was no interest in screening 1092 00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:47.039 Australian films. Our film turned out to be holded by 1093 00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:51.599 that fucker Jack Nicholson, who came out three months before 1094 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:58.119 we opened with One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. So, 1095 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:04.400 as happens occasionally in these things, you'll find you just 1096 00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:08.599 get aced and the timing's not quite right. The Australian 1097 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:12.920 Film Institute is our equivalent of the American Film Institute. 1098 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:16.599 But it ran our equivalent of the Oscars and the 1099 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:22.320 Film Awards and our little tiny film one Best Film, 1100 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:26.960 Best Actor, Best Fiction. It cleaned up at the annual awards, 1101 00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:31.480 much to the chagrin of the old brigade making the 1102 00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:36.360 slow pans across the Victorian melodrama. They hated us, and 1103 00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:39.159 we got up on stage and said to all those 1104 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.440 people who think that young people can't make films, get fucked. 1105 00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:46.880 One of the senior producers in Australia then wrote a 1106 00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:51.000 letter to the editor about the appalling behavior of the 1107 00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:54.679 young people at last night's awards. These are exactly the 1108 00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:57.960 sort of people that should not be in the film industry. 1109 00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:02.000 The next day we went int to the major distributor 1110 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.679 in Australia that we've done a deal with to sign 1111 01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:09.840 our distribution agreement, and there was the press cutting letter 1112 01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:13.840 to the editor on his table. He summarily stood up, 1113 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:18.480 tore up a distribution agreement and threw us out into 1114 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:22.239 the street. So we were standing like I was twenty 1115 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.960 two by this stage, my partner was twenty three, and 1116 01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:29.679 we were standing out in the street in tears, just 1117 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:34.360 an absolute shock and it was a salutary lesson. I'm 1118 01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.440 not quite sure what the lesson was. The lesson was, 1119 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.559 if he's going to speak the truth, then be prepared 1120 01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:45.360 for a backlash you didn't expect and you become then 1121 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.679 a rebel. One of the problems we face in Australia 1122 01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.000 is that because we don't have the size of economy 1123 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:56.920 that is in Europe, the UK or the US, we 1124 01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.719 had and still do in many ways a so style 1125 01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:06.079 centrally planned cultural economy. So much of the film industry 1126 01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:10.480 is supported by government grants to kick it off, and 1127 01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:14.920 then equity or private investors come in or distributors. But 1128 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.760 what that means is that the Presidium, the Central Committee 1129 01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:23.719 decides what's suitable. So you will very often find that 1130 01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:28.840 bureaucrats tend to support films that are like that, they 1131 01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:32.000 would like that are not going to risk their jobs, 1132 01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:35.239 et cetera, et cetera. So we've had an enormous amount 1133 01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:40.639 of Australian taxpayers money spent on films that no one 1134 01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:44.639 went to see, and the middle of the road, middle 1135 01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:47.920 class filmmakers, as Lenny Bruce would say, would then turn 1136 01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:51.760 on the audience for not laughing at their fabulously literate 1137 01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:57.400 jokes or not digging their wonderfully nuanced portrayals, et cetera. 1138 01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:01.639 And when you think people were hard and tickets are 1139 01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:04.119 not cheap, and you know, if you've got a twenty 1140 01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:07.119 dollar ticket, they want a twenty one dollar movie. And 1141 01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.920 that's what I've always tried to do, is have audiences 1142 01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:14.280 walk out of my films doing good on the deal. 1143 01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:19.840 The problem we've faced with having cleaned up with this 1144 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:23.519 film that was had you know, it was all private money. 1145 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:27.119 The next film, Going Down, which was one of the 1146 01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.679 first Australian films to go to Sundance, we couldn't get 1147 01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:34.400 We couldn't raise a penny because when you snub your 1148 01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.599 nose at the bureaucrats, they put you into a little 1149 01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:41.400 black list that of course doesn't exist, but you then 1150 01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:44.719 find it enormously difficult to get any money. So I've 1151 01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:47.360 always found it a lot easier dealing with people that 1152 01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:51.320 want to make money rather than people who give you 1153 01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:54.960 the impression I can actually make this film better than 1154 01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:59.119 you if I wasn't trapped behind this desk, you know 1155 01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:02.800 what I mean, As opposed to out on the typewrope, 1156 01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:05.719 dealing with people down at the fish market who'll cut 1157 01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:08.960 your throat. They're much easier to deal with. I find 1158 01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:11.440 just maybe some money son, you know, I don't. You're 1159 01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:15.360 the filmmaker, get on with it. So that's how our 1160 01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:20.639 film Going Down got made. And it was a street picture. 1161 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:26.960 Purchell picked it up and screened it. Has been screening 1162 01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:28.800 it in the US now for a few months. And 1163 01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:32.199 I was shooting a thing in London and flew over 1164 01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:37.800 for the New York opening and was it still works. 1165 01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:42.480 It's a film written for by and about twenty something 1166 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:46.440 women about the last night of a small group of 1167 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.920 women in Sydney, the night before one of them goes 1168 01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:53.880 to New York and their youthful group is going to 1169 01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:56.760 break up. And it's one of those nights where you 1170 01:03:56.840 --> 01:04:02.320 say yes to everything right, you know, and by about 1171 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:06.480 three am things start to break up. The film said 1172 01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:10.039 over twenty four hours, and while we were still busy 1173 01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:18.440 making melodramas, Going Down had punk music, neon light, short 1174 01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:22.519 skirts and girls who knew those were I know a 1175 01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:26.000 girl like that. I know that bitch, I know her. 1176 01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:31.199 And the women responded incredibly to the movie, and we 1177 01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:36.920 couldn't get distribution on it, and found little cesspit in 1178 01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:40.280 the middle of Sydney, a one hundred and eighty seater and 1179 01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:43.559 it ran for four months. We had the filmmaker's wet 1180 01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:47.000 dream with a few one hundred and fifty meters down 1181 01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:49.880 the street. On the opening night. He was a film 1182 01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:53.639 for them. It was Australian. It spoke to them in 1183 01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:59.119 a language that they knew. And again the bureaucrats hated it. 1184 01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:03.880 So we the film in Milan at a film market 1185 01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:10.519 where screen films and do deals and Troma. The surf 1186 01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:14.280 Nazis must die. Lloyd Kaufman and Michael Herz, I'll never 1187 01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:16.880 forget it like it was our first stop out of Sydney, 1188 01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:20.519 and he said, I like your picture very much. And 1189 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:22.840 he put his hand in his pocket and he pulled 1190 01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:25.480 out a ward of US currency and he said, I've 1191 01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:28.159 got fifty thousand dollars here. Give me the film and 1192 01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.719 I'll give you this. And I thought, if they're offering 1193 01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:34.679 this much on our first stop, next stops London, then 1194 01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:37.320 New York, then LA on the way back to Sydney, 1195 01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:43.679 I can do better. I couldn't. I couldn't. But at 1196 01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:47.519 that film market, next to me, my partner and I 1197 01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:53.719 Gay Steele. We had almost no marketing materials, and next 1198 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:57.760 to me there was a guy selling a movie and 1199 01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:00.000 I thought he had a poster up on his little 1200 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:02.800 boothed and I said, that good title. And I'm a 1201 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:07.599 great believer in good titles. And I said, what's what's 1202 01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:10.679 the movie? He said, oh, it's not a movie. I said, oh, well, 1203 01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:12.440 you've got a script and you're selling the script now. 1204 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:14.360 He said, no, I've got a script. I said, what 1205 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.159 have you got? He said, I've got the poster. He said, 1206 01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:19.199 I'm using the poster at a parley of script and 1207 01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:21.320 then I'm going to go from the script. I thought, fuck, 1208 01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:23.960 this is genius. What kind of idiot is trying to 1209 01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:26.079 make a film? Why wanted you to start with a 1210 01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:28.679 good title and work your way out? Which is where 1211 01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:34.239 Pandemonium was founded. It was founded in the abattoir of 1212 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:40.800 film markets as you see, you know, chainsaw numb, slasher 1213 01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:46.079 movies and everything except the major studios, all that production, 1214 01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:50.119 and there was just fantastic stuff everywhere, with people out 1215 01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:55.880 and about touting their works. And we came back and thought, 1216 01:06:55.880 --> 01:06:59.719 look this sounds It was so innovating, and we lived 1217 01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:03.519 in a block of flats in Bondai, and there was 1218 01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:07.480 a rock band who had become a major Australian musical force. 1219 01:07:07.960 --> 01:07:12.280 There were actors, there were writers there. It was just insane, 1220 01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:18.239 a block of about eight or ten apartments. The doors 1221 01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:22.239 are always open, the blue smoke flowed out of every window, 1222 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:25.760 and it was this creative well spring, and we thought, 1223 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:29.599 why don't we try and do something set just inside 1224 01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:36.960 this building, filled with cinematic horrors into which an innocent 1225 01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:42.039 comes and a man comes to survey the place and 1226 01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:47.840 discovers that it's on an Aboriginal sacred site, and that 1227 01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:52.840 this is going to be the change of world reality, 1228 01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:55.719 as the galaxy is a line, et cetera, et cetera. 1229 01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:00.360 I'm a great believe it's a school of filmmaking. I've 1230 01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:06.639 invented or I've given a characterization to Mike called VSM 1231 01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:10.000 and you see it. A friend of mine, Russell Multey, 1232 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:12.199 who did Raise her Back, and a number of other 1233 01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:16.560 Highlander He was a big music video director before anything, 1234 01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:22.000 and he was the fountainhead of VSM filmmaking. VSM stands 1235 01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:26.920 for vague semblance of meaning. It looks like it means something, 1236 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.520 but when you pull the elements to bits, it actually 1237 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:33.479 doesn't mean anything at all. It's just a girl with 1238 01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:37.840 blonde hair on a white horse with Duran Duran music 1239 01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:41.079 playing and some fog and some backlighting. But it doesn't 1240 01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:45.479 mean anything. So we set about trying to write a 1241 01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:49.720 script that was rooted in reality, and we ended up 1242 01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:55.960 with a wall covered in press clippings that if you 1243 01:08:56.119 --> 01:09:01.000 watch Pandemonium, almost every scene in it and every horror 1244 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:05.119 in it is from a press cutting, whether it be 1245 01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:12.680 fetuses used for Swiss, pharmacological face youth enhancement cream, whatever 1246 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:17.439 it is. We just put all this stuff together and 1247 01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:23.479 attempted to do something that was a cheat, a complete cheat. 1248 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:30.840 The film costs about seven hundred thousand dollars Australian. The 1249 01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:36.880 sets were from theater companies that were throwing out their sets, 1250 01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:39.680 and someone would ring and say, listen, we're dumping it 1251 01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:42.159 at the tip tomorrow, and we'd send a truck down 1252 01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:44.960 there and grab their set. A friend of mine, who 1253 01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:49.119 did all the art, direction and design for Mad Max 1254 01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:53.800 and in fact the first ten series of Walking Dead, 1255 01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:57.520 Grace Walker, rang up and said, listen, we've just finished 1256 01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:00.720 this film, and all the sets of still in place. 1257 01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:05.439 It's a Turkish harem Arab streakscapes, et cetera, et cetera. 1258 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:08.960 Get down there, you can have it. So the film 1259 01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:12.159 came out of this. We haven't got a film, We've 1260 01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:16.000 just got a poster mentality and we thought we don't 1261 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:18.119 want it to be Australian. And we got a map 1262 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:21.119 of the US and all the cast had to put 1263 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:24.439 blindfolds on and stick a pin in the map of 1264 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:28.319 the US and that would be your accent. So there's 1265 01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:31.359 Blanche Duboir and there's you know, et cetera, et cetera. 1266 01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:34.840 We set about trying to make something that would not 1267 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:40.560 be the accents, wouldn't distract you. And in fact, there's 1268 01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:44.199 not one frame of synchronous sound in the film, not 1269 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:48.039 one the whole film. We just shot guide tracks and 1270 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:52.000 then we did what they called the old days post 1271 01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:55.920 sinking in the nineteen fifties and forties, where the actors 1272 01:10:56.279 --> 01:11:00.199 replaced all their dialogue. I do recall the hit of 1273 01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:04.439 Disney called us head of production and said, look, I'd 1274 01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:06.479 like to see your film, and I say, mate, there 1275 01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:10.199 is no way I'm paying for a freight to LA. 1276 01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:12.479 You are never going to touch this film in a 1277 01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:15.039 million years and he said, no, no, no, I've heard some 1278 01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:17.560 interesting things about it. I'll pay for the freight blah 1279 01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:20.520 blah blah. About two weeks later he wrang me back 1280 01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:24.079 and said how much did that film cost? And I 1281 01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:27.159 said how much do you think? And he said fifteen 1282 01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:33.239 million US? Good? I said half a million US. He said, wow, 1283 01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:36.439 that is incredible. He said, I've been in the business 1284 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:39.880 thirty five years, and let me tell you something, I 1285 01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:46.199 have never seen anything like PANDEMONI. You're right, we will 1286 01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:53.840 never touch this film. But the Japanese loved it and 1287 01:11:54.239 --> 01:12:00.239 we made a fantastic sale there, a million dollar sale. Unfortunately, 1288 01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.800 our agent was a scoundrel and stole it all, so 1289 01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:08.079 we missed out on that. It went incredibly well in Germany, 1290 01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:11.680 the UK, and it never got a release in Australia. 1291 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:18.159 It was so villified here and I was certified as 1292 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:26.279 clinically insane. So that's the you report you so, you know, 1293 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.840 especially in a small place like this. So again the 1294 01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:35.239 Troma guys offered me a deal and THEIRDA was fantastic. 1295 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:38.640 It was some shitty amount of money, but the term 1296 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:43.319 was eternity plus a day. I said, you really need 1297 01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:46.560 the extra day and he said, well, you never know, 1298 01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:51.600 so it's all the fun of the fair. You know. 1299 01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:55.880 I know that you had worked with David Argued before, 1300 01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:57.920 but when did you first meet him and what was 1301 01:12:57.960 --> 01:12:58.279 that like. 1302 01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:01.960 One of the people the Commonwealth Film Unit was also 1303 01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:05.359 a part time actor and he was in our first 1304 01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:09.560 film in the psych Hospital, Richard Moyer, and he then 1305 01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:14.319 went on to have a really good career in Australian 1306 01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:19.319 film before being struck down with Parkinson's disease. And we had, 1307 01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:24.479 because of the Mogul thing, we rented a huge mansion 1308 01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:30.079 and installed theaters editing rooms in downtown Sydney and it 1309 01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:33.000 was a little bit I wouldn't say of the factory, 1310 01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:36.680 but it was a real creative hub. People came in, 1311 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:40.319 there were painters, there were filmmakers. There was stuff happening 1312 01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:43.600 in every room. And Richard came and said, oh, look 1313 01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.119 I've met this. He did get into the National Acting 1314 01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:51.680 Group and he said, look I've got this fantastic young bloke. 1315 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:55.600 You've got to meet him. He's the youngest person ever 1316 01:13:55.680 --> 01:14:00.319 to have been admitted to the drama course. And he 1317 01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:08.000 brought David Argue round to our studio and I think 1318 01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:11.560 David was about seventeen and I was probably twenty four 1319 01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:15.640 or twenty five. We clicked. I mean, David was the 1320 01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:19.800 most wonderful person. Sadly he died a few months ago. 1321 01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:25.359 And David was one of those people. He was not 1322 01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:32.680 a literate person. He responded to sounds and pictures, so 1323 01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:39.199 particularly mel Blank, the Warner Brothers, oh mister ed Sagan Bilco, 1324 01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:43.880 that you name it. And he had the capacity to 1325 01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.279 be in a room and spot the way you sort 1326 01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:50.840 of hold your beard, and then look at the way 1327 01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:55.720 someone else spoke, and then the way someone stood and walked, 1328 01:14:56.279 --> 01:15:00.800 and take bits and assemble it into a new character. 1329 01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:04.640 His mother was a dancer and his father was a 1330 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:10.199 comedy magician with Holiday Disney's Holiday on Ice, So they 1331 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:15.600 toured the world on ice dancing, singing, magic and David 1332 01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:18.640 and when they retire they opened ice rinks in Melbourne. 1333 01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:24.119 And David was incredible as my film going down on 1334 01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:29.159 roller skates, ice skates, anything like that, and he was 1335 01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:34.159 a great props maker. We did a play together, Samuel 1336 01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:37.960 Beckett's Craps Last Tape, which is a one man show 1337 01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:44.439 about compromise and failing hope as you get older and 1338 01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:46.920 it could have been written for him, and he had 1339 01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:51.159 trouble reading the script until we had you know, idiot 1340 01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:54.079 boards everywhere, and then he got the But it was 1341 01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:56.399 when he started to build the props. He was a 1342 01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:59.840 great props maker. He made the shoes, then he made 1343 01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:03.680 the trousers. Oh I get it this and the character 1344 01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:09.159 came out of this sort of tactile experience. So David 1345 01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:14.319 was a unique character who was a look. I think 1346 01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:17.279 one of the things in Australia, the US and the 1347 01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:25.439 UK has headhunted our actors, cinematographers, picture and sound editors, directors, 1348 01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:29.840 but not our producers. And in many ways I think 1349 01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:34.920 might be getting better now. But Australian producers didn't like reading. 1350 01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:39.039 They came out of production management and with sort of 1351 01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:44.920 glorified accountants, and someone like David Argue is a handful. 1352 01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:50.840 And in the US here the producer would say, oh, 1353 01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:54.039 I don't like him, I don't want to work with him. 1354 01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.479 In the US the argument might be I've got enough friends, 1355 01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:01.199 I don't care if I like him more. Not does 1356 01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:05.000 he sell tickets? And every time David Argue came on 1357 01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:08.439 the screen, people fell out of their seats laughing. That's 1358 01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:12.439 all I care about. So I think he would eat 1359 01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:17.439 Jim Carey for breakfast. And Jim Carey, I hear, has 1360 01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:22.399 problematic crates. But in the US, if you sell, they'll 1361 01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:24.880 get you a dresser. There'll be someone who drives you 1362 01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:27.239 to the set. There'll be someone who puts your clothes 1363 01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:30.439 on you. There'll be someone. And once you go in 1364 01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:35.000 front of the lens, boom, it happens. And here there's 1365 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:39.680 a small town Peyton place sort of vibe. And David 1366 01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:42.560 got drummed out of the film industry at times. He 1367 01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:45.000 was his own worst enemy and he knew that. And 1368 01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:52.439 you know it's silly, but people loved him. Audiences absolutely 1369 01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:57.239 loved him, and he was a He was a tragedy, right, 1370 01:17:57.680 --> 01:18:01.359 It was a tragedy of a small town culture. And 1371 01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:04.600 he should have pissed off to the US early on. 1372 01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:09.000 And I think he would have had a different career 1373 01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:13.920 narrative because I saw it in New York, a forty 1374 01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:19.680 year old picture Going Down in May, and audiences were 1375 01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:26.279 pissing themselves laughing as David did his thing in Going Down. 1376 01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:33.359 And it's a different culture, different accents, different era, but 1377 01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:37.199 people laughed at David and he was an incredible pratfaller. 1378 01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:40.159 He could do them just things we thought, oh no, 1379 01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:43.640 he's going to break his shoulder, and he could fall 1380 01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:49.279 and bounce up again. So it was memorable. And David 1381 01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:57.279 and I worked together happily, chaotically badly on a couple 1382 01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:01.880 of films, a couple of TV ads, play, etc. And 1383 01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:08.119 he was a dear friend and collaborator, and we'd written 1384 01:19:08.119 --> 01:19:14.159 a script together with another chap about a failed pawn 1385 01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:18.960 producers who end up winning pan by mistake. He loved 1386 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:25.359 making films, he loved theater, and he was a wonderful 1387 01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:28.159 stand up comic. You know you sent that. 1388 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:32.279 He reacted to sounds and I'm curious did he do 1389 01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:33.159 a lot of voices. 1390 01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:38.000 He was incredible with voices. He was absolutely incredible when 1391 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:41.880 he was on his He had a habit of ringing 1392 01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:46.079 into late night talkback radio after he started not being 1393 01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:48.640 able to get work, and he'd ring in with seven 1394 01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:53.760 a Norwegian fisherman who is in Australia, or some little 1395 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:58.600 old lady or he was absolutely incredible. Mike, he was 1396 01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:02.119 amazing again, And it's mel Blank was a huge hero 1397 01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:06.000 of his absolute and he just loved all that stuff. 1398 01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:10.880 You know, so his his vocal control and his thing 1399 01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:15.359 where at times, and you see it in Pandemonium a 1400 01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:18.560 bit too, where the face is made of stone but 1401 01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:22.920 the eyes turned sixty degrees to the left and that's 1402 01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:28.359 that's cartoon land or an eyebrow moves or and it's 1403 01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:32.960 very The camera loved him, and particularly the close up. 1404 01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:37.039 At times, acting in scenes with him could be nerve 1405 01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:41.199 racking because you wouldn't know when he was going to 1406 01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:44.279 drop in the que line, or he'd add lib something 1407 01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:48.800 when you're expecting you're supposed to say your bit. But yeah, no, 1408 01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:53.159 he was technically really really strong, and it's that sort 1409 01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:55.680 of stuff where everyone goes, oh, you add libert. So 1410 01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:59.520 it's free form ad libe I've always found is rehearsed 1411 01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:03.279 at times. Man, you know, and you know, if you 1412 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:09.680 can fake spontaneity, you know you've got it made. Yeah. 1413 01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:11.680 I think the first time I really clicked with him 1414 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:16.800 was Hercules Returns and just the manic energy that he 1415 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:19.079 was bringing to that. And then all the voices, you know, 1416 01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:22.199 so much of that is all voice over work. And 1417 01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:25.319 then yeah, I was curious with Pandemonium, did you have 1418 01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:28.960 him do more than one voice? Was he voicing multiple characters. 1419 01:21:29.560 --> 01:21:31.920 No, it was mainly just his stuff. A number. It 1420 01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:36.800 was interesting with the revoicing because modern actors generally don't 1421 01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:39.319 have to do that, and it took a number of 1422 01:21:39.319 --> 01:21:43.000 the cast members. That was really confronting for them because 1423 01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:46.239 you know, they couldn't get the sink right, or when 1424 01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:50.600 they got the sink right, they sounded stultified. Whereas David 1425 01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:54.640 took to it like a duck to water, hercules, et cetera. 1426 01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:59.880 And not only did he excel at it, he actually 1427 01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:04.359 improved his performance. Can I just add a little bit 1428 01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:09.600 of an inflection? And he would then add color to 1429 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:14.960 his vocal delivery, or when he turned away from the camera, oh, 1430 01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.239 I could slip in a line that says, you know. 1431 01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:21.119 So he understood the film process so well. He took 1432 01:22:21.159 --> 01:22:23.800 to it like a duck to water, whereas others found 1433 01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:27.000 the idea of sinking your voice to a picture on 1434 01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:31.600 a screen in a theater quite difficult. You know, can 1435 01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:32.119 you tell me a. 1436 01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:35.199 Little bit about espen Storm. I know that you had 1437 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:37.199 worked with him for a long time, had been mates 1438 01:22:37.239 --> 01:22:39.960 with him since you guys were super young. 1439 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:45.039 We were at school together and I start in his 1440 01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:48.079 first film, and he started my first film, and then 1441 01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:51.680 we both went to this Commonwealth Film unit in Sydney. 1442 01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:56.039 He was again the same it was he had done 1443 01:22:56.199 --> 01:23:00.560 acting at school. We founded this little company, his Smart 1444 01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:05.479 Street Films, which was in a street that in Melbourne, 1445 01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:10.600 Smart Street, and we had a It was it was 1446 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:15.439 a great relationship in the sense that after you after 1447 01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:21.439 a while working together, not in a wink, will speak volumes. 1448 01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:24.640 And it was pretty old school in the sense that 1449 01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:28.199 whilst he was you know, on our first film he 1450 01:23:28.239 --> 01:23:32.439 wrote and direct and I produced. At times there would 1451 01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:36.359 be a discussion whether the scene's working. And I don't 1452 01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:38.720 know if you ever know that there was a There's 1453 01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:43.199 a book called Mimo which is the memorandums of David O. Selznick, 1454 01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:47.399 and it's like an itching for filmmakers. No matter what 1455 01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:51.840 problem you run into in film, he will have dealt 1456 01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:54.279 with it. And because he was so anal retentive, I 1457 01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:56.720 mean he proposed to his wife in a memo, but 1458 01:23:56.840 --> 01:24:01.880 he came to production whilst he wasn't a cinematographer, he 1459 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:05.880 understood the principles of it. Whilst he wasn't a wardrobe mistress, 1460 01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:09.560 he understood wardrobe and in many ways that's why I'm 1461 01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:12.960 saying so many of these producers come out of accountancy 1462 01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:18.560 slash production management rather than a creative input where the 1463 01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:22.319 producer in many ways is the first member of the audience. 1464 01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:25.640 So when that film comes out of the camera and 1465 01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:27.800 you see it the next day in the old days 1466 01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:33.600 film in a theater, you can say, listen, miss O'Hara's 1467 01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:37.000 dress isn't coming up red enough. Let's talk to the 1468 01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:40.960 camera department and wardrobe. We need that dress to really 1469 01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:44.520 jump off the screen or per makeups not right, whatever 1470 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:48.439 it is, whether it be script, performance, etc. And Esben 1471 01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:54.239 and I had that which was really creative, really exciting, 1472 01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:58.199 rather than you're half a day behind schedule, you're going 1473 01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:00.000 to have to drop a scene, this sort of bullshit, 1474 01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:04.039 you know. And I think in some ways, I don't 1475 01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:07.800 know whether it's happening more now, but I think that 1476 01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:10.920 the producer is the first member of the audience, and 1477 01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:16.159 I think that the producer is needs to be a 1478 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:22.039 deeply creative sounding board for the whole production. So as 1479 01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:27.239 and I got on incredibly well. We worked fabulously together 1480 01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:31.199 and then started making films separately, and just funnily enough, 1481 01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:35.520 just before he died, we were talking about working together again. 1482 01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:39.239 So the wheel comes around again. 1483 01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:42.920 You know, how was it directing a friend and partner. 1484 01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:46.359 I knew was actually a pretty good actor, and he 1485 01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:50.720 hadn't done any acting since school, so we cast him 1486 01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:55.359 as the shithead junkie in those days he used to 1487 01:25:55.399 --> 01:25:57.760 be able to get cough mixture in Australia, I don't 1488 01:25:57.760 --> 01:26:02.079 know about the US full of coded it was, you know, 1489 01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:05.520 so they're out there buying six bottles of para codin. 1490 01:26:06.119 --> 01:26:10.279 I knew he could play this sort of thing really well, 1491 01:26:11.159 --> 01:26:14.960 so cast him in that, and he knocked people's socks 1492 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:19.319 off in going Down, and it started a side hustle 1493 01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:23.439 for him. He was making films, et cetera. But it 1494 01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:27.560 started a little side hustle acting in other people's films, 1495 01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:32.199 you know. So he was the perfect foil to the girls, 1496 01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:35.920 and in fact, in many ways, because the film is 1497 01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:39.880 written by and about the lives of four women, by 1498 01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:42.600 the four women that had happened to most of the 1499 01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:49.720 males are greasy, grifter's gray type, you know, sleazy, and 1500 01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:53.319 he was perfect. It was so perfect, and directing him 1501 01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:56.199 it was easy, just you know, just bring it back 1502 01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:59.960 a bit or you didn't need to talk it to death. 1503 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:03.520 You just you just we're coming into the close up here. 1504 01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:05.840 Don't forget this lens here just gives the look to 1505 01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:10.279 the left. So is understood that when you're on you know, 1506 01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:13.439 a wide angle lens and you're close to it, that 1507 01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:15.920 if you just move your eye over this way. Like 1508 01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:18.920 all good film actors, they want to know what lenses 1509 01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:22.359 on the camera so they know how to work it. 1510 01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:25.720 And I think that was you know, one of the 1511 01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:28.640 great things with him is that he understood the process, 1512 01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:30.960 so you didn't have to explain that we're going to 1513 01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:33.119 come back in then pick this up later and blah 1514 01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:35.199 blah blah. You know. So it was great fun. It 1515 01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:40.760 was really great fun. And because he was a committed filmmaker, 1516 01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:44.600 would do anything, you know. And in Pandemonium he shaved 1517 01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:48.039 his head, he did, you know, he did his own stunts, 1518 01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:49.840 he did, you know, it was all sorts of stuff. 1519 01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:55.560 Who is the guy in Panemonium? He plays doctor Doctor? 1520 01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:56.159 I think it is. 1521 01:27:57.119 --> 01:27:58.840 Who's that charming young actor? 1522 01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:04.079 Said? The guy who was going to play it had 1523 01:28:04.119 --> 01:28:07.520 to pull out a week before due to a family illness. 1524 01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:11.439 And I'd originally written thinking I can have a go 1525 01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:13.920 at it, and then thought look it's just too much. 1526 01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:19.279 I'll cast it and I did as good as I could, hope. 1527 01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:22.279 I mean, that's funnily enough. If you can't get work 1528 01:28:22.279 --> 01:28:25.000 as an actor, make a film and past yourself. You know, 1529 01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:28.960 I was in our first film twenty seven A. I 1530 01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:33.560 make a cameo in Going Down, and took this little 1531 01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:39.159 role in Pandemonia, so you know this. It is funny 1532 01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:43.119 walking around in makeup dressed as a sort of a 1533 01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:45.960 mad doctor while you're directing the film. 1534 01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:49.439 You talked about how the movie never played in Australia, 1535 01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:52.399 but did it eventually, like do you have retro screenings 1536 01:28:52.439 --> 01:28:53.000 of it there? 1537 01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:57.039 Or it might have had one or two screenings. We 1538 01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:06.760 were assailed by Christian Group and the mainstream conservative distribution 1539 01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:12.760 companies threw up their hands in horror, absolute horror, and 1540 01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:16.960 in many ways, you know, I mean they loved a razorhead. 1541 01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:18.880 And it's one of those things I was talking about 1542 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:22.840 before this cultural insolarity, whereas if the same thing had 1543 01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:27.479 come from the US or the UK, it would have 1544 01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:31.479 had a much better chance. You know, Almdova selling you know, 1545 01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:35.439 junkie nuns selling young girls out of high rise government 1546 01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:40.920 apartments in Madrid. Great but try and do it homegrown 1547 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:47.439 and the again there's that I don't like it, not 1548 01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:52.399 whether it will sell. And funnily enough, in the last 1549 01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:55.880 twelve months or so, there have been a number of 1550 01:29:55.920 --> 01:30:00.520 a younger generation there must be pirates out there somewhere, 1551 01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:04.319 and people contacting me saying, oh, I saw Pandemonia. It 1552 01:30:04.359 --> 01:30:07.840 was so wonderful. All my friends were killing ourselves laughing, 1553 01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:11.159 et cetera, et cetera. And we've put on one or 1554 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:15.720 two little screenings which have gone down incredibly well with 1555 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:19.520 an under thirty age group and people say, oh, the 1556 01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:22.359 film is ahead of its time or whatever. And by 1557 01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:25.720 it's no perfect film by any stretch of the imagination. 1558 01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:29.840 But we've just done a four kay restoration on it 1559 01:30:30.680 --> 01:30:35.479 and I'm hoping that we can pick up some certainly 1560 01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:39.640 some screenings here and see if we can get it 1561 01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:44.319 out internationally. It's a film that travels, it's because of 1562 01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:47.640 its sort of everything's on a set, et cetera. It 1563 01:30:47.680 --> 01:30:51.319 doesn't date as such. I'm hoping that we can get 1564 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:55.239 it out and about in the US and in Australia 1565 01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:57.119 in twenty twenty six. 1566 01:30:57.800 --> 01:30:59.399 Who's putting that as an umbrella? 1567 01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:02.720 Umbrella's going to be putting it out initially, and we're 1568 01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:04.279 going to be handling theatrical. 1569 01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:07.800 Yeah, well, that's really good to hear. You talked about 1570 01:31:07.880 --> 01:31:11.159 that whole apartment block where it was all of those 1571 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:13.680 creative people. And as you're talking about that, I've been 1572 01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:17.079 listening to a lot of stuff around Francis for Coppola 1573 01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:19.680 lately and it almost feels like you made Australian Zowa 1574 01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:20.800 Trope at that point. 1575 01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:24.399 It was. It was a very very dynamic time and 1576 01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:28.560 Australian music was exploding. It was, in a funny way, 1577 01:31:28.600 --> 01:31:35.880 a rebirth of Australian culture. And previously, you know, government a, well, 1578 01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:39.319 what's wrong with American movies? So why shouldn't we have 1579 01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:42.840 you know, what do you need? Who needs Australian films? 1580 01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:47.760 And there was always something a little bit oh you lefties, 1581 01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:52.000 you know, there was a thing about you know, et cetera. So, 1582 01:31:52.600 --> 01:31:54.680 and I've got to say it was quite an extraordinary 1583 01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:58.720 experience to see our first Australian films because you had 1584 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:01.359 to overcome the sense that it's not a real proper 1585 01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:05.680 film because the accents weren't right. The accent I call 1586 01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:09.279 you yesterday and here you come today. You know, we're 1587 01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:11.880 used to Red River and John Wayne and you know, 1588 01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:16.239 et cetera, and it took us all a little while 1589 01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:19.239 to get used to our own accents. It's so bizarre 1590 01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:24.039 day that, you know, the government wet blanket over things 1591 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:27.640 that were risk free. I think there's some very interesting 1592 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:31.079 stuff starting to happen at the moment, both in genre areas, 1593 01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:34.680 but in other areas where there was a thing where 1594 01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:37.039 if you don't give me government money, I won't make 1595 01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:40.199 the film, and in some cases say, you know, do 1596 01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:44.239 you promise, And now people are sidestepping them and just saying, 1597 01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:47.119 I'm going to fucking make it anyway, man, and I'm 1598 01:32:47.159 --> 01:32:48.760 going to get it together, and I don't care if 1599 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:51.119 it's eight mil or I don't care if it's anything. 1600 01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:56.640 And in the end, risk taking the risk because no 1601 01:32:56.720 --> 01:33:01.039 one knows nothing, as the man said, And we're seeing 1602 01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:06.560 these Timothy challow May pitchures crashing and burning. Man, there's 1603 01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:10.239 a list who are not selling tickets. There's a sea 1604 01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:12.920 change happening. I've seen a couple of little things that 1605 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:16.199 are eight millimeter and they've then blown it up to 1606 01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:19.920 you know, four K DCP or whenever it is. They're 1607 01:33:19.920 --> 01:33:22.920 getting it into cinemas and young kids are coming in 1608 01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:27.159 watching the stuff. Now it's not mainstream, but it's good 1609 01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:30.760 foot in the door stuff and it's good stepping stones 1610 01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:33.600 and it's also where you know, it's that sort of 1611 01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:37.520 thing where Australian films, too often and probably mainstream anywhere, 1612 01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:41.319 they try to be everything to everyone, and consequently they 1613 01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:45.640 are nothing to no one, you know, and some of 1614 01:33:45.680 --> 01:33:48.960 our stuff, where the Pandemonium, Going Down twenty seven A, 1615 01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:53.960 these films, they're not for everyone, and consequently you can 1616 01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:57.720 afford to take risks. You can afford to focus what 1617 01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:03.319 you're doing onto a very clear demographic, and you can 1618 01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:07.279 afford to alienate a demographic as we did with Going 1619 01:34:07.319 --> 01:34:11.159 Down and Pandemonium, where uncool people are not going to 1620 01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:15.239 like this great because cool people will and they'll know 1621 01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:18.800 what we're talking about. You know, there's some fascinating young 1622 01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:26.520 filmmakers coming through and they are challenging the industrial formats. 1623 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:29.319 You know. I know there's a guy and trapesing around 1624 01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:36.279 La those sunburnt concrete pavements with a ninety minute horror 1625 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:39.199 picture and he can't get any purchase on the thing 1626 01:34:39.239 --> 01:34:41.840 at all, and no, no, no, And then someone's come 1627 01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:44.079 back to him and said, look, I don't I really 1628 01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:46.600 like the story, but can you give me thirty three 1629 01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:50.199 minute episodes instead of one night and vertical? 1630 01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:51.199 Right? 1631 01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:56.079 Right? So you know, and you're seeing people watching, you know, 1632 01:34:56.880 --> 01:35:00.239 two hundred million dollar movies on a friggin phone in 1633 01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:03.880 the bus, So you go, why did I bother with focus? 1634 01:35:04.039 --> 01:35:04.119 What? 1635 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:10.239 You know? So you know, the you're seeing things breaking 1636 01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:17.079 down where they're episodic, they're fitting to people are determining 1637 01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:19.560 what and how they're going to watch stuff, you know, 1638 01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:22.880 and how long is the average bus journey or train 1639 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:27.399 journey or whatever. Let's make it fit inside that. So 1640 01:35:27.840 --> 01:35:31.399 you know, the cinema Is it the art form of 1641 01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:35.319 the twentieth century? I hope not because that you know, 1642 01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:38.920 and it's such a tired aphorism, but there is nothing 1643 01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:46.319 like sitting in an audience sharing the dream scape, everyone 1644 01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:50.760 having the same dream. And there's nothing like a full 1645 01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:54.039 house watching it's a mad, mad, mad mad world and 1646 01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:58.840 just screaming their tits off with laughter. It's a wonderful. 1647 01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:01.439 And you can't get up go out to the toilet, 1648 01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:04.359 or you can't. I'll press pause while I go and 1649 01:36:04.439 --> 01:36:08.479 make a cup of coffee or whatever. You agree, you 1650 01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:13.600 sign a quiet dream contract all to when the lights 1651 01:36:13.640 --> 01:36:17.039 go down, here we go and up comes John Barry's 1652 01:36:17.119 --> 01:36:20.039 music for Bond, and you go, whoa, here we go, 1653 01:36:21.119 --> 01:36:27.760 and it's that wonderful experience, almost childlike, dream like and 1654 01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:32.520 something that's that has sucked me in from the time 1655 01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:37.399 I was a child. And now you know, we're making 1656 01:36:37.439 --> 01:36:41.199 a feature length documentary at the moment. And I've been 1657 01:36:41.239 --> 01:36:43.239 in the US and Canada and all over the world 1658 01:36:43.279 --> 01:36:46.239 shooting this damn thing. But you know, I have to 1659 01:36:46.279 --> 01:36:50.399 be flexible to say, okay, maybe the one hundred minutes 1660 01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:53.880 or go to film festivals, but it might have to 1661 01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:59.079 be chopped into one, two or three television hours or 1662 01:36:59.239 --> 01:37:04.560 into even shorter forms for social media or whatever. You know, 1663 01:37:05.159 --> 01:37:09.199 YouTube is making more money than cinema is. You know, 1664 01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:13.920 the games are bigger than film and TV combined. People 1665 01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:17.800 are reverse engineering their PlayStation games and making their own 1666 01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:24.880 feature films, and AI is opening up things incredibly excitingly, 1667 01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:30.279 and I think in a funny way also maybe democratizing stuff. 1668 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:34.319 You don't have to have gone to Egypt to shoot 1669 01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:37.760 in front of the pyramids. Imagination is now there for 1670 01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:41.199 the doing up until now, you know, with our stuff. 1671 01:37:41.239 --> 01:37:46.079 We've always don't hide the flaws, flaunt them, use them 1672 01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:50.680 as your part, as your entry card, you know. And 1673 01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:54.239 there's nothing worse than people trying to pretend it's something 1674 01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:57.279 and not quite pulling it off, as opposed to some 1675 01:37:57.399 --> 01:38:00.479 trashy movie where don't hide it, launt it. 1676 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:02.560 What is your documentary on? 1677 01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:06.680 As I said, when I went to my mother moved 1678 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:08.880 us to England, and then I went to this little 1679 01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:17.880 school and there are a lot of Nigerians, Ghanaians, some American, Canadian, 1680 01:38:18.079 --> 01:38:21.720 a lot of what we call Persians, Iranians, a lot 1681 01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:26.880 of Kenyans, a lot of Pakistanis, and a few English boys. 1682 01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:34.359 And the head master was a descendant of Armenian genocide refugees. 1683 01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:40.479 And there was no racism in the school, none at all. 1684 01:38:41.319 --> 01:38:48.760 There was no sectarianism, although there were Jews, Muslims, Christians, Zoroastrians, 1685 01:38:48.960 --> 01:38:53.000 you know, you name it. And the head master prided 1686 01:38:53.079 --> 01:38:56.159 himself in finding out what you were good at and 1687 01:38:56.199 --> 01:39:00.399 then giving you the tools to excel. By crime, you'd 1688 01:39:00.399 --> 01:39:05.439 better excel or you'll see me tomorrow. Boy, what I 1689 01:39:05.479 --> 01:39:10.119 have done. I went to the school and when I 1690 01:39:10.199 --> 01:39:13.159 left the school, I came back to Australia, and I 1691 01:39:13.319 --> 01:39:16.840 didn't see any of those boys again for fifty years 1692 01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:22.319 until watching the World Soccer Cup in twenty fourteen. And 1693 01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:25.279 I'd always get up to watch Garner because they were cool. 1694 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:30.119 Ghanaians are funny, they're laid back, they're very very cool guys. 1695 01:39:30.640 --> 01:39:33.880 And the camera panned across the coaching group and there 1696 01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:38.000 was my best friend, the coach of Garner. So I 1697 01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:42.439 tracked him down in a cra and I said, Herbert, 1698 01:39:42.439 --> 01:39:45.439 I'm coming over to see you, and he said, come over. 1699 01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:47.800 I'm really well known. We'll have a great time. And 1700 01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:50.079 I put it off and he got malaria and died, 1701 01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:53.560 and I thought, I'm never going to do that again. 1702 01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:56.600 I'm never going to put off anything. As I get older, 1703 01:39:56.960 --> 01:40:00.239 I start burying more and more of my friends. So 1704 01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:04.000 I started trying to track down the boys that I 1705 01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:08.680 went to school with in Tehran, Los Angeles, Vancouver, New York, 1706 01:40:09.319 --> 01:40:14.720 Madrid and ask them how growing up we all live together, 1707 01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:19.680 how growing up in a non racial, non religious environment 1708 01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:24.119 influence the rest of their lives. And the film is 1709 01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:28.479 about growing up in a non racial, non religious environment 1710 01:40:29.119 --> 01:40:32.680 and whether there are any lessons we can take from 1711 01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:36.800 that little school and use in today in the twenty 1712 01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:41.560 first century about how we educate children to give them 1713 01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:49.279 confidence and responsibility at a time when xenophobia and populism 1714 01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:53.479 and the world as we see it seems to be 1715 01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:58.640 implying very different values. And I've been around the world. 1716 01:40:58.640 --> 01:41:02.560 We've finished shooting about six weeks ago. I've been shooting 1717 01:41:02.600 --> 01:41:07.319 for seven years, and six weeks ago I talked all 1718 01:41:07.399 --> 01:41:12.760 of them into flying in from Ghana, La, everywhere. And 1719 01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:16.720 they all flew in for dinner at the school and 1720 01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:20.119 hadn't seen each other for sixty years. I don't know. 1721 01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:23.680 It was pretty amazing actually, and we had a couple 1722 01:41:23.680 --> 01:41:26.119 of cameras there and it's going to be the last 1723 01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:30.199 scene in the fall inspired by donnad Have you ever 1724 01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:33.760 seen a film called A Lucky Man? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 1725 01:41:33.880 --> 01:41:36.119 you know the last scene in the film. It's the 1726 01:41:36.239 --> 01:41:39.319 rap party. There's Alan Price in the band. If you 1727 01:41:39.359 --> 01:41:41.199 have a friend on whom you think you can rely, 1728 01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:43.800 you are a lucky man. And you can see the 1729 01:41:43.800 --> 01:41:46.640 camera cracking on the dolly and it comes through to 1730 01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:51.880 Malcolm McDowell and Lindsay Anderson at the very end, and 1731 01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:54.920 I thought, that's what I want to do. A scene 1732 01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:57.079 where and we've got you can see the cameras and 1733 01:41:57.119 --> 01:42:00.600 the recorders and it's a rap party and that's such 1734 01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:03.640 a wonderful film. And again that's one that you haven't 1735 01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:06.039 seen from you know, it doesn't get a lot of air, 1736 01:42:06.279 --> 01:42:11.079 that film. So I'm hoping to make a film we're 1737 01:42:11.399 --> 01:42:16.359 just editing now about memory, about how we bring up 1738 01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:20.880 children and about how the influence of the environment on 1739 01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:24.760 young children really affects the rest of their lives. And 1740 01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:29.640 you know, I've got billionaire propertied of Iranian property developers 1741 01:42:29.800 --> 01:42:35.199 in Vancouver. I got Mudjya Hadeen fighters in Tehran. I 1742 01:42:35.319 --> 01:42:39.039 got the president of Ghana. I've got a fifth generation 1743 01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:43.319 circus clown who now mainly does political theater, who gave 1744 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:46.800 me a role of film a file got by the 1745 01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:51.640 Loomi Air Brothers in eighteen ninety of his great great 1746 01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:57.800 grandfather Juggle in Paris. And I've got the first out 1747 01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:01.880 gay member of the House of Law in England. So 1748 01:43:01.920 --> 01:43:07.119 I've got an eclectic group of people, and I'm hoping 1749 01:43:07.159 --> 01:43:11.600 that we can come up with something that's fresh, energetic, 1750 01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:18.600 nuanced without being too nuanced, and gives you hope, gives 1751 01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:20.960 your hope for young people. Look, I'm hoping I can 1752 01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:23.800 get it into a couple of film festivals. We've made 1753 01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:26.680 it like it's one of those ones gorilla thing where 1754 01:43:26.840 --> 01:43:29.159 you know, we just started shooting. And I thought, man, 1755 01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:32.039 I don't give a fuck. I bought a camera, I 1756 01:43:32.279 --> 01:43:35.399 shot it. It's been a one man thing, you know. 1757 01:43:35.960 --> 01:43:38.560 And I bought a little drown and I've made about 1758 01:43:38.640 --> 01:43:42.439 four trips to Europe or I feel like I threw 1759 01:43:42.520 --> 01:43:45.880 myself into the river and I thought, wherever it takes me, 1760 01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:49.039 I'm just going to go there, man. And I found 1761 01:43:49.039 --> 01:43:53.840 myself living in a gypsy caravan outside Madrid. I found 1762 01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:58.399 myself in a you know, boutique hotel in Vancouver, as 1763 01:43:58.479 --> 01:44:01.279 these people said, oh listen, we own a hotel. Just 1764 01:44:01.359 --> 01:44:03.399 book in there and you'll be right. Just tell them 1765 01:44:03.399 --> 01:44:06.479 how long you're staying. The clown had oh, look, the 1766 01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:09.159 caravan my father was born in is empty. You can 1767 01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:14.680 take that. And people were so kind and so wonderfully 1768 01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:18.239 generous that, you know, had I had to pay for 1769 01:44:18.319 --> 01:44:22.399 airfares and you know, the bits and pieces. But in 1770 01:44:22.479 --> 01:44:25.119 the end, I thought, are you a filmmaker or not? 1771 01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:29.840 You know? And if you you know, if I've got 1772 01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:34.000 three scripts, a couple that I've been trying to get 1773 01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:36.079 going and not having a great deal of luck. And 1774 01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:42.039 I've got a couple of documentary ideas but can't quite 1775 01:44:42.039 --> 01:44:45.760 get them over the line. And this one was such 1776 01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:48.319 a great story, and people kept saying to me, but 1777 01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:50.640 that's a film that's you know that you saw the 1778 01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:53.199 guy in the middle of the night, your old friend 1779 01:44:53.199 --> 01:44:56.399 who was the coach of the Gharnaan football team, make 1780 01:44:56.439 --> 01:44:59.119 it go start and he just thought, fuck it, man, 1781 01:44:59.359 --> 01:45:02.159 just start, you know. And if you know how long 1782 01:45:02.159 --> 01:45:04.720 it's going to take, you'd never start. But once you're 1783 01:45:04.960 --> 01:45:09.000 a bit into it, you can't back out. As you know, 1784 01:45:09.039 --> 01:45:12.439 the producers of Heaven's Gates will tell you, once you're 1785 01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:16.880 in far enough, it'll be finished round Easter. And anyone 1786 01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:19.520 that can finish a film no matter what, I give 1787 01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:22.800 a huge tick. It's so hard, and coming up with 1788 01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:26.920 reasonable ideas is not all that hard. A few drinks 1789 01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:31.279 and a bit of entertaining conversation, but doing it that's 1790 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:33.960 the bit that separates the sheep from the ghosts. If 1791 01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:36.399 you can then get it finished, you get a huge tick. 1792 01:45:36.920 --> 01:45:40.560 That's a single project. There is a separate project, and 1793 01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:44.520 that is distributing the fucking thing, and that is a 1794 01:45:44.800 --> 01:45:50.079 different thing altogether. And if you can then take that thing, 1795 01:45:50.119 --> 01:45:52.439 you got the tick for the finished film and get 1796 01:45:52.439 --> 01:45:55.920 it out there right, there's another tick for you, you know. 1797 01:45:56.399 --> 01:45:58.880 And we had a John Ohas by John Waters, very 1798 01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:03.359 inspiring character and on going down because all the major 1799 01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:06.359 distributors have knocked it back off. Who wants to see 1800 01:46:06.359 --> 01:46:09.279 a film about four girls and drugs and music and 1801 01:46:09.319 --> 01:46:14.680 that I'm going I know and the guy who I'll 1802 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:19.960 just quickly tell you, the guy who ran the film. 1803 01:46:20.359 --> 01:46:22.600 We were down to our it was their last card 1804 01:46:23.199 --> 01:46:26.079 and we'd audience tested it. Now I'm a great believer 1805 01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:28.760 in audience testing. You don't have to take what they say, 1806 01:46:29.239 --> 01:46:32.319 but listen. And we knew we have a hit. They 1807 01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:37.640 absolutely loved it, absolutely loved it. It was about them. 1808 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:42.399 They knew the scene, the drugs and the drug jokes weren't. Yeah, 1809 01:46:42.439 --> 01:46:45.119 I've had nights like that. So we knew we had 1810 01:46:45.119 --> 01:46:49.399 a hit. And we couldn't convince the middle aged middle management, 1811 01:46:50.199 --> 01:46:54.119 those barts. Anyway, we go to this place, I think 1812 01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:57.600 you get hepatitis off the friggin's seats and he says, 1813 01:46:57.640 --> 01:47:00.359 bring me the first reel and the last reel. Don't 1814 01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:01.840 you want to see the middle? He said, no, I 1815 01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:03.680 just want to see how it starts and how it acts. 1816 01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:07.199 Oh righth, So I'd bring in in those days, you know, 1817 01:47:07.239 --> 01:47:11.239 those cans of thirty five mili film. And I came 1818 01:47:11.319 --> 01:47:16.479 back an hour later and he said, it's appalling, it's terrible. 1819 01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:20.600 It's atrocious, the girls with the skirts up their backsides, 1820 01:47:20.640 --> 01:47:24.159 that loud music, the drugs. You open in four weeks. 1821 01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:27.920 And I said, but you said it was atrocious. He said, oh, 1822 01:47:27.960 --> 01:47:31.359 that's what I think. But I'm not the one buying tickets, 1823 01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:33.720 and I know who is, and there's a lot of 1824 01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:36.000 them who are going to love this film. And it 1825 01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:40.439 was the first time I thought this really professional approach. 1826 01:47:41.199 --> 01:47:44.640 I'm a middle aged old man. I'm not the audience. 1827 01:47:45.239 --> 01:47:48.600 Who is? And are there enough of them to warrant 1828 01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:51.520 putting this on? It is atrocious and you open in 1829 01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:56.640 four weeks. That was a real eye opener for me. 1830 01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:01.079 Who are you making this film for? Heap that in mind, 1831 01:48:01.119 --> 01:48:05.319 because so many filmmakers are, oh, well, it's sort of 1832 01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:10.880 it's and you think, come on, who's it for? And 1833 01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:14.960 you need to answer those simple questions and you know 1834 01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:17.520 it's old school, but you need to be able to 1835 01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:22.119 say it in one sentence. And I've always found that 1836 01:48:22.199 --> 01:48:27.960 people make decisions very very brutally, especially with finance in 1837 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:33.479 the first twenty seconds. The image, the name. I invented 1838 01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:39.000 a subsidiary of Smart Streak Films called TIFTAFF, which is 1839 01:48:39.039 --> 01:48:43.720 the Institute for titling Australian Films. There was a film 1840 01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:47.600 called Board Olives that was made in Australia, which is 1841 01:48:47.720 --> 01:48:51.239 just waiting for Pauline Kale to say the olives weren't 1842 01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:54.520 the only ones board and so we just put out 1843 01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:57.920 this press release. Do you want your film to be 1844 01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:03.520 called two Lane, Blacktop three ten to Yuma, things like that, 1845 01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:08.920 or bored Olives people bit it was just a complete joke, 1846 01:49:09.399 --> 01:49:12.640 but I'm a great but you know, mad Max, it 1847 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:17.399 rolls off the tongue, you go, whoa, what's that? And 1848 01:49:17.760 --> 01:49:23.960 again that central poster image, you know on a building site, 1849 01:49:24.039 --> 01:49:28.640 you want people to double tape, not go no. The 1850 01:49:28.680 --> 01:49:32.319 title and that central image, and both of those Australia's 1851 01:49:32.359 --> 01:49:35.960 never been particularly good at. And you know you'll often see, 1852 01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:40.600 you know, a Volkswagen with enlarged cartoon heads coming out 1853 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:44.279 of the windows, that sort of stuff, or you'll see 1854 01:49:44.359 --> 01:49:48.000 something that you just go, wow, what's that. Oh, I've 1855 01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:52.119 got to find out you want to encourage the viewer 1856 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:55.840 to find out more. We're starting to cotton onto it 1857 01:49:55.920 --> 01:49:59.680 now in Australia. The Europeans have always been incredibly good 1858 01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:04.159 at it, you know, the Germans, just where they focus 1859 01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:09.520 on something and doing elegant. Don't crowd it, keep it simple, 1860 01:50:09.680 --> 01:50:13.479 keep it you know. So. But you know, I've got 1861 01:50:13.479 --> 01:50:16.840 a I've got a a script that I can't quite 1862 01:50:16.840 --> 01:50:19.800 get it over the It's called Trouble in Blonde. My 1863 01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:23.199 other one is called Fuck City, but that's not working 1864 01:50:23.279 --> 01:50:24.159 quite so well. 1865 01:50:27.079 --> 01:50:28.840 Good friend of mine just put out a movie called 1866 01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:29.720 Fuck My Son. 1867 01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:37.239 So well. I think Liz Burchell put out the things 1868 01:50:37.239 --> 01:50:42.720 she's put out after going Down was pastration movie and 1869 01:50:42.800 --> 01:50:45.159 I said to you, Liz, what would that be about? 1870 01:50:46.119 --> 01:50:52.840 Titling is incredibly important, people are no. I insist on this, 1871 01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:55.800 and you're going, but but it's going to turn people off. 1872 01:50:56.359 --> 01:50:58.720 There's no need to turn people off. 1873 01:50:59.359 --> 01:51:01.399 Well, mister King, this was so great. Thank you so 1874 01:51:01.520 --> 01:51:02.239 much for your time. 1875 01:51:03.079 --> 01:51:06.199 No, I really appreciate it. Mike. You know, someone trawling 1876 01:51:06.239 --> 01:51:09.520 through the detritus of cinema and coming up with these things. 1877 01:51:09.520 --> 01:51:11.479 So keep it up, keep up the great one. 1878 01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:15.880 I'm going that day as soon as I get to 1879 01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:16.399 New York. 1880 01:51:16.399 --> 01:51:18.119 Guys shoots off. 1881 01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:22.960 Why Daddy give you some money to go away with investors? 1882 01:51:26.319 --> 01:51:28.720 Revolution is going to start from the barking basements out 1883 01:51:28.760 --> 01:51:35.960 of part instant. 1884 01:51:32.520 --> 01:51:37.279 To go to a party. 1885 01:51:38.640 --> 01:51:49.199 Okay, okay, let's go something. 1886 01:51:58.600 --> 01:52:09.239 Are those crutches right? I mean, where did you get 1887 01:52:09.279 --> 01:52:10.000 your money from? 1888 01:52:10.039 --> 01:52:10.159 Her? 1889 01:52:10.399 --> 01:52:11.640 I know where it came from. 1890 01:52:11.640 --> 01:52:13.159 I just want to find out where I went. 1891 01:52:15.840 --> 01:52:22.119 Nothing lost river kulous. I know what I want. 1892 01:52:24.760 --> 01:52:27.119 And I'm going to get it. 1893 01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:44.640 Why do you Interrexual's right. 1894 01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:46.680 We were back and we were talking about Pandemonium, and 1895 01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:49.359 I wanted to talk real quick about the other smart 1896 01:52:49.359 --> 01:52:53.199 Street film that is getting out there now. I'm really 1897 01:52:53.239 --> 01:52:57.399 excited that Hayden says that Pandemonium will be coming out 1898 01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:02.560 pretty soon, hopefully THROUGHLLA. He was very nice to send 1899 01:53:02.600 --> 01:53:06.119 over a restored version of it, or kind of in progress. 1900 01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:09.000 I saw a little some rough spots towards the beginning 1901 01:53:09.039 --> 01:53:10.800 where it seemed like stuff was going out of frame 1902 01:53:10.840 --> 01:53:12.319 a little bit, but I think that's going to be 1903 01:53:12.319 --> 01:53:16.560 all cleaned up, But yeah, Going Down is out there now, 1904 01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:20.039 and I'm really excited that this is out there. What 1905 01:53:20.199 --> 01:53:25.039 a different movie. It's so interesting to see just how 1906 01:53:25.359 --> 01:53:27.960 different of a filmmaker he could be. And even though, 1907 01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:31.119 like you said, we've got some same actors from the 1908 01:53:31.399 --> 01:53:33.680 you know, from Pandemonium, some people that he worked with 1909 01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:37.000 before totally cast different. I mean I almost didn't recognize 1910 01:53:37.079 --> 01:53:39.960 David Argue with those great glasses, and I think he's 1911 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:42.079 got the great physical comedy. You get to see him 1912 01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:44.800 like be tossed and he's there like landed on his 1913 01:53:44.880 --> 01:53:47.960 head kind of thing. And then yeah, Ebsen looks so 1914 01:53:48.319 --> 01:53:51.920 completely different. It is I couldn't believe that he was 1915 01:53:51.920 --> 01:53:54.479 the same person. But yeah, looking at those old photos 1916 01:53:54.520 --> 01:53:56.479 of him, I was just like, oh, this guy really 1917 01:53:56.520 --> 01:53:58.159 had it going on. And then you see him in 1918 01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:02.119 Pandemonium with the beer belly, that horrible shirt and the 1919 01:54:02.159 --> 01:54:06.640 gray hair with the mismatching uh to pay. I mean, yeah, 1920 01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:10.159 what a what an amazing transformation of. 1921 01:54:10.079 --> 01:54:13.319 That wink Death comes for us all man, It's just 1922 01:54:13.359 --> 01:54:14.039 part of life. 1923 01:54:14.720 --> 01:54:17.960 Don't forget the poly blend shirt. He's got some amazing 1924 01:54:18.479 --> 01:54:22.560 Polly Blint with like large trees like nature scenes and 1925 01:54:22.600 --> 01:54:26.479 that little mustache, a mustache that totally if an old 1926 01:54:26.560 --> 01:54:29.960 back issue of Jugs magazine had a scent, it would 1927 01:54:29.960 --> 01:54:33.319 smell like that mustache. Yeah, I'm so I'm so curious 1928 01:54:33.319 --> 01:54:36.000 because you got to see this in the theater, Hayton, Like, 1929 01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:38.199 did you go into going down Like was that like 1930 01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:40.920 a total blind thing where you just knew like a 1931 01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:43.079 little bit, Like what was what was the experience with 1932 01:54:43.159 --> 01:54:44.279 you getting to check that out? 1933 01:54:44.960 --> 01:54:46.520 Yeah? I knew very little about it. 1934 01:54:47.079 --> 01:54:49.960 I was approached by the people who were, you know, 1935 01:54:50.119 --> 01:54:53.680 like helping promote the film, and I looked at it 1936 01:54:53.720 --> 01:54:56.960 and just a couple of stills, like there's one image 1937 01:54:57.079 --> 01:54:59.560 of a bunch of it's because it's following these three 1938 01:54:59.640 --> 01:55:02.560 party girls through an evening as one of them's about 1939 01:55:02.560 --> 01:55:04.560 to move and then somebody steals. 1940 01:55:04.199 --> 01:55:07.199 Her like starting out money and it's this nighttime. 1941 01:55:06.880 --> 01:55:09.439 Odyssey, and then in the morning they're like trying to 1942 01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:11.800 get to the airport and one of them's huking like 1943 01:55:11.880 --> 01:55:13.960 projectile vomiting off the back of a car. 1944 01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:16.119 And I saw that image and I was like, this 1945 01:55:16.399 --> 01:55:18.520 is special and I have to go. 1946 01:55:19.239 --> 01:55:22.840 And so I was going in expecting just like hung 1947 01:55:22.920 --> 01:55:26.279 Rock extravagance, and then there's so much genuine pathos in 1948 01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:31.079 that movie, Like it's a very complicated emotional landscape that 1949 01:55:31.199 --> 01:55:33.079 just happens to have some of the best bang and 1950 01:55:33.159 --> 01:55:36.239 needle drops ever. Like it's the blend there. It's very 1951 01:55:36.359 --> 01:55:39.600 easy and breezy, but also very like melancholy. 1952 01:55:39.960 --> 01:55:41.039 And I know one of the. 1953 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:44.000 Lead actresses died before it came out, right, so it 1954 01:55:44.840 --> 01:55:47.279 has that feeling to it of like this is a 1955 01:55:47.359 --> 01:55:50.880 very real story about a very real community that's contending 1956 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:54.479 with like how to live as young people in a 1957 01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:57.600 precarious environment. It's just really elegant, and I think it 1958 01:55:57.800 --> 01:56:00.640 hit everyone who saw it in and it was doing 1959 01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:02.800 its little run in a similar way. 1960 01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:06.399 It's very touching. Yeah, it looks amazing, And there are 1961 01:56:06.399 --> 01:56:07.880 a few different trailers on. 1962 01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:10.760 YouTube, say listening to check out the Muscle one, there 1963 01:56:10.840 --> 01:56:14.159 is one that's two years old that's kind of a 1964 01:56:14.199 --> 01:56:18.800 slightly longer one from Hayden's YouTube channel that looks great. 1965 01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:22.560 One film that predates is that I'm so curious about 1966 01:56:22.640 --> 01:56:25.560 is twenty seven A I know this is different that 1967 01:56:25.720 --> 01:56:28.800 Esben directed and Hayden produced, and that one, I want 1968 01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:31.920 to say it was seventy four, like more early mid seventies, 1969 01:56:32.359 --> 01:56:35.920 but I know, dealing with somebody who's basically kind of 1970 01:56:35.920 --> 01:56:39.800 an institution trying to dry out for alcoholism, and it 1971 01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:43.840 sounds it sounds very understandably very heavy, but it sounds 1972 01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:46.600 really good. Like everything I found written about it, I'm like, 1973 01:56:46.640 --> 01:56:49.880 I want to see this movie, Like this sounds amazing, 1974 01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:53.239 and God, both him and Esbend just we're so young 1975 01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:55.920 just going out and just doing this. 1976 01:56:56.239 --> 01:57:00.439 I just love that pioneering spirit. Especially with film an 1977 01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:03.199 error you had to like things are easier and harder. 1978 01:57:03.319 --> 01:57:03.960 With digital. 1979 01:57:04.159 --> 01:57:06.520 It's harder because there's everything is changed as far as 1980 01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:08.880 trying to get your films out there. But everybody has 1981 01:57:08.920 --> 01:57:12.239 like easier access to equipment, which is amazing because but 1982 01:57:12.319 --> 01:57:14.039 I mean back then, I mean, film was so much 1983 01:57:14.079 --> 01:57:14.840 more expensive. 1984 01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:17.479 I'm like, I look back on some of the filmmakers 1985 01:57:17.479 --> 01:57:18.319 like that they're independent. 1986 01:57:18.399 --> 01:57:21.439 I'm just like, gosh, like it always just sort of 1987 01:57:21.479 --> 01:57:23.920 blows my mind just how you make these things happen 1988 01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:27.439 totally and talk about punk rock, Like I remember reading 1989 01:57:27.479 --> 01:57:30.039 about that particular film and wasn't that the one that 1990 01:57:30.119 --> 01:57:32.520 kind of got them run out of the like hot 1991 01:57:32.560 --> 01:57:35.640 shot Up and coming mainstream because they won an award 1992 01:57:35.680 --> 01:57:37.760 for it, and then they got on stage and we're 1993 01:57:37.800 --> 01:57:40.920 basically like, fuck you, let cool young people make art, 1994 01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:43.239 and the institution was like, well, fuck you right back, 1995 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:46.159 and that was that for them. I love that, Like 1996 01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:48.359 I I swear to God, the more I find out 1997 01:57:48.399 --> 01:57:51.720 about these guys, and particularly Hayden, I'm just like, oh 1998 01:57:51.800 --> 01:57:55.640 my stop it, okay, you're already amazing. And again it's 1999 01:57:55.720 --> 01:57:58.840 like I love seeing that kind of spirit in anything. 2000 01:57:59.239 --> 01:58:02.079 The spirit of the the di y It to me 2001 01:58:02.239 --> 01:58:05.760 is the absolute source of anything great creatively. And I 2002 01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:08.479 mean and that predates what we call punk too obviously, 2003 01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:11.560 but like anytime you see somebody do that, that is 2004 01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:13.560 to me, it's like a sign of life. Like I'm 2005 01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:16.720 not religious, I'm almost pretty much anti religion, to be honest, 2006 01:58:16.800 --> 01:58:19.800 but if something makes me feel spiritual. 2007 01:58:19.279 --> 01:58:25.600 It's that nature and fucking unbridled art. It's those two things. 2008 01:58:25.880 --> 01:58:26.159 All right. 2009 01:58:26.239 --> 01:58:27.960 Let's go ahead and take another break and play a 2010 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:31.279 preview for next week's show right after these brief messages. 2011 01:58:46.119 --> 01:58:57.399 Together, Name's feelings true, this is Penny. I'm not saying 2012 01:58:57.640 --> 01:59:01.680 why go on, people don't. 2013 01:59:01.600 --> 01:59:03.279 Fly fly. 2014 01:59:06.079 --> 01:59:10.119 Penals m. 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Every donation we 2070 02:02:47.159 --> 02:03:04.239 get helps the Projection Booth take over the world. 2071 02:03:09.359 --> 02:03:11.359 Tell me, came my beggar? 2072 02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:14.600 What's the nature of the beast? 2073 02:03:17.720 --> 02:03:21.279 I cannot be satisfied. 2074 02:03:23.720 --> 02:03:28.319 If I ever lead my neighborhood. And I'm not one 2075 02:03:28.479 --> 02:03:35.720 to goose if I'm only from mine. He's a man. 2076 02:03:38.439 --> 02:03:45.319 God man on the long side side of the story's 2077 02:03:45.600 --> 02:03:49.000 story man on the light side. 2078 02:03:50.880 --> 02:03:52.920 Pockets A line will. 2079 02:03:54.159 --> 02:03:58.840 Last to the question have you heard of Nature's all? 2080 02:04:01.760 --> 02:04:08.600 You have to be fit to survive, not to speak 2081 02:04:08.680 --> 02:04:17.399 that wild deception and exceptions to the song are not 2082 02:04:17.720 --> 02:04:19.439 fit to be a lie. 2083 02:04:24.279 --> 02:04:25.680 You don't need me. 2084 02:04:27.960 --> 02:04:35.479 There's no lot lot You have failed me in the past, 2085 02:04:35.800 --> 02:04:38.000 And for how come. 2086 02:04:53.560 --> 02:04:55.079 I can so. 2087 02:04:57.439 --> 02:04:58.000 The love? 2088 02:05:00.960 --> 02:05:01.439 They don't know? 2089 02:05:04.119 --> 02:05:09.399 Does it w when I can sit up? 2090 02:05:10.760 --> 02:05:10.800 So? 2091 02:05:11.479 --> 02:05:12.079 What if I. 2092 02:05:15.840 --> 02:05:23.960 Can know my lost. 2093 02:05:51.399 --> 02:06:00.399 Its really good. What's a natural Harvard best? I love 2094 02:06:00.600 --> 02:06:10.399 yet to realize child, and no more when or less 2095 02:06:10.479 --> 02:06:18.800 than one of those when you're fall, there's no surprise. 2096 02:06:22.479 --> 02:06:23.279 Can it sun? 2097 02:06:23.680 --> 02:06:31.600 It's a lot. It's the bad worse. 2098 02:06:33.560 --> 02:06:35.479 Well the side stand so. 2099 02:06:51.600 --> 02:06:52.800 I can't realize. 2100 02:06:53.119 --> 02:06:56.359 No from the life. 2101 02:06:59.000 --> 02:06:59.800 Even the less. 2102 02:07:02.159 --> 02:07:03.359 That's a n. 2103 02:07:06.319 --> 02:07:07.439 I would sit down. 2104 02:07:09.560 --> 02:07:10.119 Riding by. 2105 02:07:13.680 --> 02:07:15.079 I couldn't my way. 2106 02:07:16.960 --> 02:07:18.479 Un in my b spot. 2107 02:07:20.039 --> 02:07:20.079 No,