Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of July
Speaker 1: twenty second, we are continuing with Lost, Season three, Episode eight,
Speaker 1: Flashes before your Eyes. And you know, we've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of scary and creepy things on this show. There's
Speaker 1: smoke mods, there's others, there's traps in the jungle, there's
Speaker 1: polar bears, there's all sorts of stuff. I think this
Speaker 1: episode was the most creepy for me, just because you're
Speaker 1: living your life, but like you know that something's not right.
Speaker 1: You have this these weird memories and it's just like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just making this up. And then there's this lady.
Speaker 1: It was just just the whole thing. I couldn't remember
Speaker 1: how it had ended and how it had worked out,
Speaker 1: and it's just poor Desmond man. I wanted to give
Speaker 1: Desmond a huh, not a baseball bat to the head,
Speaker 1: but just what a creepy thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and still very confusing, you know, yes too? Where
Speaker 2: are we in time? Exactly? What? Yeah? I'm still rather
Speaker 2: confused in terms of what direction things are going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean because so he turns the key
Speaker 3: and then we switched to what seems to be the past,
Speaker 3: because yeah, Charlie's.
Speaker 1: There, right, He's like, yeah, that's interesting that they met before.
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess he's been thrown back in time
Speaker 1: in his life.
Speaker 2: Right, but he knew he's already lived it once.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yes, and he remembers the island stuff, right,
Speaker 1: and then he gets thrown back into it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Could he have changed things if he had proposed to Penny?
Speaker 1: Could he have changed the past or the future or whatever?
Speaker 1: Or you just doomed to go back there, right, he
Speaker 1: just give him some more of that McCutcheon. Yes, man deserves.
Speaker 1: I was wondering what the deal was with the mccutcheen,
Speaker 1: but then they quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they quickly gave that established it. But another check
Speaker 2: mark on the evil column for Charles Woodmore.
Speaker 1: And uh, this is this is here's a parenting tip.
Speaker 1: When you stand between your child and true love, you're
Speaker 1: going to completely bleep up the universe. It's like all
Speaker 1: this stuff that's going on is going to be because
Speaker 1: Charles Woodmore was not able to do anything human.
Speaker 2: Seeming, right, Yeah, and speaking you know what.
Speaker 1: These two shows we've watched this week. Yeah, right, and
Speaker 1: a lot of parents deciding, no, no, that's not for you.
Speaker 1: This is for you all.
Speaker 2: This is the way we're going to do it.
Speaker 1: But never stand in the way of two of Yeah,
Speaker 1: Princess Bride has taught us, that's right.
Speaker 2: The woman in the jewelry shop, Yeah, speaking of creepy
Speaker 2: and scary.
Speaker 1: All the flat again, nice to see you, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that character at the moment where she'll be coming back,
Speaker 1: I know you don't buy the ring and then she
Speaker 1: just starts talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's creepy it's like her, like she tore off
Speaker 2: a human mask and became yeah, you know, the scoopy
Speaker 2: doo villain for a moment there.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what a creepy performance without without having
Speaker 1: to be a polar bear or have a gun or
Speaker 1: be a you know, have somebody in a cage, just
Speaker 1: sitting on a park bench. Creepy as bleep.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I feel like parents learn from this, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're just your words and your eyeballs have a lot
Speaker 2: more power than maybe you thought you realize.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, oh my gosh. I had conversations with children
Speaker 1: sort of like that, sometimes this is what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do this, You're not going to do that other thing, right,
Speaker 1: this is what you have to do again, sort of
Speaker 1: like the guilted age, but which we will be discussing tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But sometimes you just have to say I see the
Speaker 1: future and this is what right, this is how it's
Speaker 1: gonna go.
Speaker 2: Kid, So just save yourself a lot of time and
Speaker 2: trouble and listen to me. Now I'll do.
Speaker 1: It exactly my way. But also I thought that the
Speaker 1: old lady reminded me of someone telling you your parenting
Speaker 1: all wrong. I know, if you do that everybody is
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 2: Die, right.
Speaker 1: Parenting tip, stay away from those people. They will freak
Speaker 1: you out unless you are one of those people, which
Speaker 1: at some point we all get to be like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I see the future. This is going to go badly.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah. So it turns out that although
Speaker 1: Desmond appears to be saving Claire a bunch of times, right,
Speaker 1: he's actually saving Charlie.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if the fact that he met
Speaker 1: Charlie back in his throwback thing is why he suddenly
Speaker 1: can see the Charlie's future or just you know, the
Speaker 1: island and or the plot needs him to see it,
Speaker 1: but that is that is kind of creepy if you're Charlie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't the girl drowning that I was saving.
Speaker 1: It was you, because you were gonna save her and drown, right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's uh. I feel that perhaps Charlie is
Speaker 2: not long for this particular world.
Speaker 1: I guess, as Desmond says so lovingly, at the end,
Speaker 1: you're going to die, Charlie. Although really we're all going
Speaker 1: to die, and the people on the island probably sooner
Speaker 1: than most, but in this case is specific that'd be
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: Maybe I won't be a creepy Maybe I won't.
Speaker 1: What do you do then?
Speaker 2: I know? Right, maybe I won't be quite as surprised
Speaker 2: as I tended to be every other time to kill
Speaker 2: off a major character. What.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't remember how soon it's gone.
Speaker 1: I know that yet, it's it's it's not next.
Speaker 2: Week, yeah, because next week we have to go back
Speaker 2: to the other on their other island.
Speaker 1: But it is a very good, very good episode. Actually,
Speaker 1: what's that anyway?
Speaker 2: I E yeah, so this is still this is still
Speaker 2: only flashing back.
Speaker 1: Yes, this was like a really really prolonged flashback, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't really a direct It wasn't he wasn't flashing
Speaker 1: back to his life before. I'm he sort of was,
Speaker 1: but it was before and both before and after, right,
Speaker 1: because he has memories of his island time, right, but
Speaker 1: he's gone back into his past.
Speaker 2: Right. It was like the flashback, but he was reliving it, yeah,
Speaker 2: with everything that had already come before, right.
Speaker 1: And it was you know, most of the episode without
Speaker 1: going back and forth like the flashbacks usually. The suspense
Speaker 1: of that was that whole thing was heartbreaking because you
Speaker 1: know pretty sure, right, something's going to go wrong at
Speaker 1: some point, right, because we are out. Is he just
Speaker 1: going to rely and go with it? Is he gonna
Speaker 1: do what the lady says? Is he gonna go against it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And you know, you know he's winding up back on
Speaker 1: the island because yeah, because we got a show to finish.
Speaker 2: But uh, and you know he doesn't marry Penny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: at least in this no timeline.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, poor Penny.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But uh but yeah, and then we just didn't
Speaker 2: really get very much of anybody else.
Speaker 1: No, no, except Claire should probably not go swimming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you have a baby, lady, what are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, and then it's like, oh, sons here, Oh, we
Speaker 2: haven't seen you in weeks. I mean, I guess SAYI
Speaker 2: did show back up and he knew they were together,
Speaker 2: but there was no like, hey, where are you? Then
Speaker 2: kill anybody while you're going? Right?
Speaker 1: That is odd.
Speaker 2: They just have too many people, cannot deal with them all.
Speaker 1: No, that's true, and they needed to take this extended
Speaker 1: Desmond break here to set up a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But when Desmond goes and tells his friend that he's
Speaker 1: traveled through time, yes, and his friend you know, sort
Speaker 1: of pats him on the head, and it made me
Speaker 1: think parenting tip wise, what do you do when your
Speaker 1: kid comes to you with a crazy story?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Do you say, look, how creative he is. It's wonderful,
Speaker 1: he's got a good mind. He'll be a novelist one day.
Speaker 1: Weird TV shows? You know, do you do you ask
Speaker 1: them questions about it to sort of complete continue developing
Speaker 1: their creativity, or do you say, buddy, no, that's not real, or.
Speaker 2: Do you just kind of change the subject?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, because his friend was just like indulging him
Speaker 1: a little bit, right, and then when it turned out
Speaker 1: that the things didn't the things he predicted didn't happen
Speaker 1: that night, right, he just sort of said, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: have another drink. But that does happen. Sometimes that your
Speaker 1: kid is telling you something that you're pretty sure is
Speaker 1: not true, right, either because it's completely fantastical or because
Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like it's something that could have happened, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the line between imagination and just lying?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: That's hard and sometimes the kid doesn't even really know.
Speaker 2: It, But sometimes it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. Yes, if you can discuss something in the
Speaker 1: context of it being fiction. That's fun, right, fun to
Speaker 1: see them being creative and adding to stuff. But if
Speaker 1: they're trying to sell it as the truth.
Speaker 2: And that's probably right, that's when you just have to.
Speaker 1: Poor Desmond was just so freaked out. Yeah, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: how weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah for him. And then of course they're really clubbing
Speaker 2: us with this whole fate you know, because they even
Speaker 2: had a little maybe it was in the previously on
Speaker 2: but you know where Lock said, you know what killed Echo?
Speaker 2: Someone asked him how it go died and he just
Speaker 2: said the island killed him, Like yeah, yeah, he's never
Speaker 2: he's never letting that go.
Speaker 1: Nope, Nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I just feel like they're quite
Speaker 2: heavy handed with the they are the fate business. Okay, yep,
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much much a running theme. Just
Speaker 1: when uh, you know, if you think you're Desmond thinks
Speaker 1: he's losing it. He's not sure if he's so certain
Speaker 1: that this is true, but he can't explain it, and
Speaker 1: it seems when he's trying to tell himself it's just
Speaker 1: a lie. And then the old lady just confirms it.
Speaker 1: For him. Yeah, that's not a good feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know when you think, is this thing
Speaker 1: wrong with my child? Is this a thing? No, that's
Speaker 1: not a thing. That's not a thing. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: And then you go to a doctor or something he says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a thing. Ye, Or alternatively, as was sometimes the
Speaker 1: case with my kids, you know, I would be pretty
Speaker 1: sure something was a thing, and then that somebody would say,
Speaker 1: oh no, right, you're completely nuts. Yeah, I've met the
Speaker 1: old lady in the parking friend patting me on the head.
Speaker 2: Cut to It's like, cut to the flash forward of
Speaker 2: Terry's life, like, oh this what was going on? Near?
Speaker 1: Like yes, It's like do you want the thing you're
Speaker 1: thinking to be confirmed? Or do you want it not
Speaker 1: to be confirmed? Some either one is unsatisfied. It's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sure this is the thing that's wrong. But then
Speaker 1: somebody says, oh, yeah, that's the thing that's wrong. So no,
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be wrong. Will you not
Speaker 1: do it? Yeah, there's deb's a no win situation. Desmond's
Speaker 1: in there. That's either you're losing your mind or you
Speaker 1: were messing with time and space. Continuums far beyond your understanding.
Speaker 1: Either way, your life will never be away.
Speaker 2: It's not going to go go well for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, ah, poor Desmond. But this was a very
Speaker 1: nice showcase for Henry ian Cusick. He did a great
Speaker 1: job with it of all desmonds confusion and certainty and
Speaker 1: fear and freaked out nests, you know, desperation and all
Speaker 1: the different you know, kept us going through that, even
Speaker 1: if he's flipping back and forth through different things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very good performance there. Yeah, and uh sorry, that doesn't
Speaker 1: look like the future is that bright for you there, mate,
Speaker 1: But we'll see.
Speaker 2: Well, don't forget about those two guys in the Arctic
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Who Yeah, that's right, come and try to That's right,
Speaker 1: we do have that. Come on, Penny, Penny did not Nope,
Speaker 1: not say that guy glad I'm rid of. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: guy couldn't make up his mind. That guy was afraid
Speaker 1: of my dad. That guy. Yes, I'll just find perhaps
Speaker 1: there's a duke I.
Speaker 2: Can marry.
Speaker 1: See tomorrow's episode. Yes, So do we have any other
Speaker 1: parenting tips or insights about this episode lost, which was
Speaker 1: more self contained than most of them, and so therefore
Speaker 1: just the one storyline really to comment on it, right.
Speaker 1: I don't think there was anything outside of that storyline,
Speaker 1: was there? No?
Speaker 2: I mean just it was Mike, Charlie and Hurley on
Speaker 2: the Charlie thing. At the end.
Speaker 1: The topic of it was pretty much set by the
Speaker 1: opening dialogue between Charlie and Hurley, which was, Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with Desmond? That guy sees the future? Dude?
Speaker 1: Has it? And then that played out before us, Yes,
Speaker 1: and then we're just right back where we started. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Charlie's gonna die, Dominic Monahan, call your agent. Next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we'll continue with season three, episode nine of Lost Stranger
Speaker 1: in a Strange Land. Well, that's pretty much everybody, isn't it. Yes,
Speaker 1: very strange shashback for do do you know? Off found
Speaker 1: to look it up? Dude? Dude? Oh, thank goodness, that's
Speaker 1: a jack. What's going on with that? He's such a mystery,
Speaker 1: you know what. We just can't imagine what he could
Speaker 1: be about. So let's find out again again. All right.
Speaker 1: We will see you back here tomorrow to discuss the
Speaker 1: Gilded Age, which we have already alluded to many times
Speaker 1: in this episode, because these two episodes line up thematically,
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