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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of July

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<v Speaker 1>twenty second, we are continuing with Lost, Season three, Episode eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Flashes before your Eyes. And you know, we've seen a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of scary and creepy things on this show. There's

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<v Speaker 1>smoke mods, there's others, there's traps in the jungle, there's

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<v Speaker 1>polar bears, there's all sorts of stuff. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>episode was the most creepy for me, just because you're

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<v Speaker 1>living your life, but like you know that something's not right.

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<v Speaker 1>You have this these weird memories and it's just like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just making this up. And then there's this lady.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just just the whole thing. I couldn't remember

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<v Speaker 1>how it had ended and how it had worked out,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just poor Desmond man. I wanted to give

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<v Speaker 1>Desmond a huh, not a baseball bat to the head,

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<v Speaker 1>but just what a creepy thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and still very confusing, you know, yes too? Where

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<v Speaker 2>are we in time? Exactly? What? Yeah? I'm still rather

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<v Speaker 2>confused in terms of what direction things are going.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean because so he turns the key

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<v Speaker 3>and then we switched to what seems to be the past,

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<v Speaker 3>because yeah, Charlie's.

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<v Speaker 1>There, right, He's like, yeah, that's interesting that they met before.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. I guess he's been thrown back in time

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<v Speaker 1>in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but he knew he's already lived it once.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yes, and he remembers the island stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he gets thrown back into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Could he have changed things if he had proposed to Penny?

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<v Speaker 1>Could he have changed the past or the future or whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>Or you just doomed to go back there, right, he

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<v Speaker 1>just give him some more of that McCutcheon. Yes, man deserves.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering what the deal was with the mccutcheen,

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<v Speaker 1>but then they quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they quickly gave that established it. But another check

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<v Speaker 2>mark on the evil column for Charles Woodmore.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, this is this is here's a parenting tip.

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<v Speaker 1>When you stand between your child and true love, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to completely bleep up the universe. It's like all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff that's going on is going to be because

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Woodmore was not able to do anything human.

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<v Speaker 2>Seeming, right, Yeah, and speaking you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>These two shows we've watched this week. Yeah, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of parents deciding, no, no, that's not for you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is for you all.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the way we're going to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But never stand in the way of two of Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Princess Bride has taught us, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>The woman in the jewelry shop, Yeah, speaking of creepy

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<v Speaker 2>and scary.

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<v Speaker 1>All the flat again, nice to see you, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that character at the moment where she'll be coming back,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you don't buy the ring and then she

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<v Speaker 1>just starts talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's creepy it's like her, like she tore off

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<v Speaker 2>a human mask and became yeah, you know, the scoopy

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<v Speaker 2>doo villain for a moment there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, what a creepy performance without without having

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<v Speaker 1>to be a polar bear or have a gun or

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<v Speaker 1>be a you know, have somebody in a cage, just

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on a park bench. Creepy as bleep.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I feel like parents learn from this, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just your words and your eyeballs have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more power than maybe you thought you realize.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, oh my gosh. I had conversations with children

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like that, sometimes this is what you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>this is what you have to do again, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like the guilted age, but which we will be discussing tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>But sometimes you just have to say I see the

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<v Speaker 1>future and this is what right, this is how it's

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<v Speaker 2>Kid, So just save yourself a lot of time and

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<v Speaker 2>trouble and listen to me. Now I'll do.

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<v Speaker 1>It exactly my way. But also I thought that the

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<v Speaker 1>old lady reminded me of someone telling you your parenting

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<v Speaker 1>all wrong. I know, if you do that everybody is

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<v Speaker 2>Die, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Parenting tip, stay away from those people. They will freak

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<v Speaker 1>you out unless you are one of those people, which

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<v Speaker 1>at some point we all get to be like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I see the future. This is going to go badly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Yeah. So it turns out that although

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<v Speaker 1>Desmond appears to be saving Claire a bunch of times, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he's actually saving Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if the fact that he met

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie back in his throwback thing is why he suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>can see the Charlie's future or just you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>island and or the plot needs him to see it,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is that is kind of creepy if you're Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it wasn't the girl drowning that I was saving.

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<v Speaker 1>It was you, because you were gonna save her and drown, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's uh. I feel that perhaps Charlie is

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<v Speaker 2>not long for this particular world.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, as Desmond says so lovingly, at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to die, Charlie. Although really we're all going

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<v Speaker 1>to die, and the people on the island probably sooner

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<v Speaker 1>than most, but in this case is specific that'd be

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<v Speaker 1>a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I won't be a creepy Maybe I won't.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do then?

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<v Speaker 2>I know? Right, maybe I won't be quite as surprised

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<v Speaker 2>as I tended to be every other time to kill

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<v Speaker 2>off a major character. What.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't remember how soon it's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that yet, it's it's it's not next.

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<v Speaker 2>Week, yeah, because next week we have to go back

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<v Speaker 2>to the other on their other island.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is a very good, very good episode. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>what's that anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>I E yeah, so this is still this is still

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<v Speaker 2>only flashing back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this was like a really really prolonged flashback, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really a direct It wasn't he wasn't flashing

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<v Speaker 1>back to his life before. I'm he sort of was,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was before and both before and after, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because he has memories of his island time, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone back into his past.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. It was like the flashback, but he was reliving it, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with everything that had already come before, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was you know, most of the episode without

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<v Speaker 1>going back and forth like the flashbacks usually. The suspense

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<v Speaker 1>of that was that whole thing was heartbreaking because you

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<v Speaker 1>know pretty sure, right, something's going to go wrong at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, right, because we are out. Is he just

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<v Speaker 1>going to rely and go with it? Is he gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do what the lady says? Is he gonna go against it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, you know he's winding up back on

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<v Speaker 1>the island because yeah, because we got a show to finish.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, and you know he doesn't marry Penny. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in this no timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, poor Penny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But uh but yeah, and then we just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really get very much of anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, except Claire should probably not go swimming. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have a baby, lady, what are you doing? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and then it's like, oh, sons here, Oh, we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen you in weeks. I mean, I guess SAYI

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<v Speaker 2>did show back up and he knew they were together,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was no like, hey, where are you? Then

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<v Speaker 2>kill anybody while you're going? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>That is odd.

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<v Speaker 2>They just have too many people, cannot deal with them all.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's true, and they needed to take this extended

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<v Speaker 1>Desmond break here to set up a whole bunch of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But when Desmond goes and tells his friend that he's

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<v Speaker 1>traveled through time, yes, and his friend you know, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of pats him on the head, and it made me

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<v Speaker 1>think parenting tip wise, what do you do when your

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<v Speaker 1>kid comes to you with a crazy story?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you say, look, how creative he is. It's wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a good mind. He'll be a novelist one day.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird TV shows? You know, do you do you ask

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<v Speaker 1>them questions about it to sort of complete continue developing

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<v Speaker 1>their creativity, or do you say, buddy, no, that's not real, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you just kind of change the subject?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, because his friend was just like indulging him

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, right, and then when it turned out

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<v Speaker 1>that the things didn't the things he predicted didn't happen

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<v Speaker 1>that night, right, he just sort of said, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have another drink. But that does happen. Sometimes that your

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<v Speaker 1>kid is telling you something that you're pretty sure is

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<v Speaker 1>not true, right, either because it's completely fantastical or because

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<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't seem like it's something that could have happened, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what's the line between imagination and just lying?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>That's hard and sometimes the kid doesn't even really know.

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<v Speaker 2>It, But sometimes it doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't. Yes, if you can discuss something in the

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<v Speaker 1>context of it being fiction. That's fun, right, fun to

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<v Speaker 1>see them being creative and adding to stuff. But if

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to sell it as the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's probably right, that's when you just have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Poor Desmond was just so freaked out. Yeah, oh gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>how weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for him. And then of course they're really clubbing

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<v Speaker 2>us with this whole fate you know, because they even

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<v Speaker 2>had a little maybe it was in the previously on

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<v Speaker 2>but you know where Lock said, you know what killed Echo?

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<v Speaker 2>Someone asked him how it go died and he just

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<v Speaker 2>said the island killed him, Like yeah, yeah, he's never

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<v Speaker 2>he's never letting that go.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, Nope, nope, nope.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, I just feel like they're quite

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<v Speaker 2>heavy handed with the they are the fate business. Okay, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much much a running theme. Just

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<v Speaker 1>when uh, you know, if you think you're Desmond thinks

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<v Speaker 1>he's losing it. He's not sure if he's so certain

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<v Speaker 1>that this is true, but he can't explain it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it seems when he's trying to tell himself it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a lie. And then the old lady just confirms it.

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<v Speaker 1>For him. Yeah, that's not a good feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know when you think, is this thing

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<v Speaker 1>sure something was a thing, and then that somebody would say,

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<v Speaker 2>Cut to It's like, cut to the flash forward of

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<v Speaker 1>Like yes, It's like do you want the thing you're

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going to go go well for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, ah, poor Desmond. But this was a very

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<v Speaker 1>nice showcase for Henry ian Cusick. He did a great

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<v Speaker 1>job with it of all desmonds confusion and certainty and

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<v Speaker 1>if he's flipping back and forth through different things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>very good performance there. Yeah, and uh sorry, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>look like the future is that bright for you there, mate,

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, don't forget about those two guys in the Arctic

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Who Yeah, that's right, come and try to That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>we do have that. Come on, Penny, Penny did not Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>not say that guy glad I'm rid of. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>guy couldn't make up his mind. That guy was afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of my dad. That guy. Yes, I'll just find perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>there's a duke I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can marry.

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<v Speaker 1>See tomorrow's episode. Yes, So do we have any other

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<v Speaker 1>parenting tips or insights about this episode lost, which was

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<v Speaker 1>just the one storyline really to comment on it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there was anything outside of that storyline,

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<v Speaker 1>was there? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just it was Mike, Charlie and Hurley on

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<v Speaker 2>the Charlie thing. At the end.

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<v Speaker 1>opening dialogue between Charlie and Hurley, which was, Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>what's wrong with Desmond? That guy sees the future? Dude?

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<v Speaker 1>Has it? And then that played out before us, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we're just right back where we started. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's gonna die, Dominic Monahan, call your agent. Next Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll continue with season three, episode nine of Lost Stranger

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<v Speaker 1>in a Strange Land. Well, that's pretty much everybody, isn't it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>very strange shashback for do do you know? Off found

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<v Speaker 1>to look it up? Dude? Dude? Oh, thank goodness, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a jack. What's going on with that? He's such a mystery,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what. We just can't imagine what he could

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<v Speaker 1>be about. So let's find out again again. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>We will see you back here tomorrow to discuss the

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<v Speaker 1>Gilded Age, which we have already alluded to many times

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode, because these two episodes line up thematically,

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