Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, what is going on?
Speaker 2: Got lord of this is your favorite tinfoil realist, not theorist.
Speaker 2: We got a doozy here today, folks. Uh. Jay Dyer,
Speaker 2: comedian podcaster. He's gonna be coming into the room in
Speaker 2: about ten minutes. Uh, this is an exciting space, folks.
Speaker 2: I'm super excited that I've done the rabbit hole with Jay.
Speaker 1: Uh. This is a guy who I mean, if.
Speaker 2: You're a if you're a tinfoiler, you probably watched some
Speaker 2: Jay dire content. And yeah, just excited to pick his brain.
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued to know his crypto story, his bitcoin story.
Speaker 1: I am really.
Speaker 2: Intrigued to this is again I look at him kind
Speaker 2: of as, uh, this is our first space from an
Speaker 2: outside of perspective. I know he's got bitcoin, he's got crypto,
Speaker 2: he told THHC. But this is a good opportunity to
Speaker 2: find out, you know, how'd you find bitcoin, how'd you
Speaker 2: find crypto? What are you looking at in the industry
Speaker 2: these days? I kind of want to get his thoughts
Speaker 2: on Trump and Trump's crypto policies, where that's heading.
Speaker 1: Uh, We're gonna find out just kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit about him. What he's doing.
Speaker 2: I'm super intrigued to know what life was like during
Speaker 2: the COVID times for some of these content creators. I
Speaker 2: know myself personally, I was doing the content creation during
Speaker 2: those days. I had a decent little following on the
Speaker 2: YouTube right as the COVID stuff had started. You know,
Speaker 2: the idea was, wait, this just came from a bat
Speaker 2: or did it come potentially from this lab that's right
Speaker 2: there in the same area. Uh, you weren't allowed to
Speaker 2: talk about that.
Speaker 3: Originally.
Speaker 1: That led to insta bands, instad deletes.
Speaker 2: It was not a good not a good way to
Speaker 2: grow an audience on any of those platforms. So I
Speaker 2: I lost my Facebook, I lost my YouTube, I lost
Speaker 2: Twitter ten different times. Thank god Elon finally bought Twitter.
Speaker 2: I would love to see him by a video platform.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you look at Twitter, seems to be
Speaker 2: the place of growing in terms of videos. I'll be
Speaker 2: looking at doing some kind of video platform soon. I'd
Speaker 2: really like to get into doing the video streams again.
Speaker 2: It's just super personal when you get to kind of
Speaker 2: see what's going on. Oh, ladies and justice is an
Speaker 2: exciting one. Let's talk about Crypto for a second. Conspiracy
Speaker 2: the conspiracy meta. I'm gonna keep fucking pushing this by
Speaker 2: the conspiracy coins, folks. I've got my little list, I've
Speaker 2: posted my list a bunch, I've showed this. New one's
Speaker 2: popping up every day. I'm in a group chat to
Speaker 2: see flat Earth in here. I'm in a group chat
Speaker 2: with a bunch of these conspiracy coins, and yeah, we're
Speaker 2: fucking vibing together. I love all the spaces that are
Speaker 2: getting hosted flat I hate you because you just happened
Speaker 2: to I don't know what your time zone is, but
Speaker 2: it's not the same as mine.
Speaker 1: You keep having.
Speaker 2: Spaces right in the middle of my workday. But I
Speaker 2: excited to get to chatting with those guys more. Dude,
Speaker 2: the conspiracy matters booming. Just took a little look at
Speaker 2: my list today. Noticed I fucking missed one so hard
Speaker 2: a Woke. It's token called a woke on Solana. I
Speaker 2: think I put it on my list at maybe two
Speaker 2: million market cap. As of right now, it's sitting at
Speaker 2: thirty seven point nine million market cap.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Originally, when I've made my list, TC tonight cat was
Speaker 2: the number one conspiracy token in terms of market cap,
Speaker 2: but a Woke has went fucking flying. Oh no, it's
Speaker 2: not on Solana, it's not a Theorial, It's in a
Speaker 2: Theeum conspiracy coin. So yeah, i't thirty seven and a
Speaker 2: half million of eight one hundred and eighty six percent today.
Speaker 2: The next one I've been watching is Restore the Republic
Speaker 2: the RTR.
Speaker 1: That's a salonic coin.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't really call that a conspiracy coin. It's more
Speaker 2: of a I'll call it a politifi coin. Just but
Speaker 2: because there's such a conspiracy movement and momentum behind Trump,
Speaker 2: you know, the whole Restore the Republic, that's probably a
Speaker 2: That's why it's on my conspiracy coin list. I'll just
Speaker 2: say that we got ten acat. We're sitting at thirty
Speaker 2: cents right now. A couple couple of Jeters went on,
Speaker 2: I've seen somebody fucking clip twenty grand this morning. That
Speaker 2: sent us down a little bit, but fucking.
Speaker 1: Dip getting bought. We've been grinding our way back.
Speaker 2: Up thirty cents.
Speaker 1: God Sonic is coming soon, folks.
Speaker 2: The Deason the date the migration is getting I'm in
Speaker 2: a big migration group now, of all the projects that
Speaker 2: are looking at migrating layers.
Speaker 1: Heros involved in folks. Things are cooking. It sounds like
Speaker 1: Sonic is coming soon. Oh I'm excited. Uh, let me
Speaker 1: get back to the Twitter for a second.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's get let's get flatters up here for a second.
Speaker 1: We got we got a few minutes before. Oh we
Speaker 1: got chudd in here too. What's going on? Chud?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: So boys, we got a couple of minutes before Jay
Speaker 1: joined us.
Speaker 2: So speak what's up?
Speaker 1: Man? No?
Speaker 5: I just I knew. I knew you guys were really
Speaker 5: excited about the Info Wars guy, you know, joining and
Speaker 5: that's just super. I wanted to pop in and see
Speaker 5: what was going on.
Speaker 1: What do I gotta do here?
Speaker 3: Sorry?
Speaker 6: Let me just adjust my settings here. I'm hearing you.
Speaker 6: Can you guys hear me?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 6: Loud and clear now, Sarah, I'd think I just have
Speaker 6: my bluetooth on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're Your audio quality just got like ten times better.
Speaker 6: Oh beautiful.
Speaker 5: Okay, Speaking of conspiracies, you know there there's been chatter
Speaker 5: around uh Sonic being delayed. Have you guys do you
Speaker 5: guys know anything about that?
Speaker 7: Ooo? I from from a personal perspective, I have yet
Speaker 7: to hear this conspiracy. But from a personal perspective, I've
Speaker 7: never seen anybody have a successful Q four launch.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: Usually anybody that's aimed at a quarter four launch that
Speaker 7: always comes quarter one of the following year. So the
Speaker 7: idea of a quarter four launch here, I'm not exactly
Speaker 7: expecting it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I've heard different things and like it
Speaker 5: might just be like fun or whatever, but.
Speaker 7: You know, this could be yeah, this could be coming
Speaker 7: from Andre talking about ship too, I've seen he tweeted
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five under one of the Sonic Labs tweets.
Speaker 5: Oh boy, well, okay, okay. With that said, I don't
Speaker 5: know if you guys remember I remember this, but when
Speaker 5: when Opera when the Sonic Cup Break went live on Opera,
Speaker 5: Andrea was surprised that it went live as early as
Speaker 5: it did.
Speaker 7: Interesting, So that's what I'm Andrea recently tweeted something about
Speaker 7: that Opera went live on the twenty seventh of December
Speaker 7: of whatever year that was, twenty seventeen, so there was
Speaker 7: inklings that it would be cool if you know, Sonic
Speaker 7: launched the same day as as Opera's previous launch. But yeah,
Speaker 7: it's funny you say that you're hearing things of it
Speaker 7: being delayed because just the fact that we haven't got
Speaker 7: a date yet. Leads me to believe it's not coming
Speaker 7: this year.
Speaker 5: So when when, Andrea? If he says twenty five, does
Speaker 5: that mean twenty twenty five or December twenty five?
Speaker 6: Though, so he the tweet was twenty twenty five. Oh,
Speaker 6: he was just straight up saying twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: Dreames crust right there now.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure if that was just you know, fucking
Speaker 7: around with the Sonic Labs marketing department or what that
Speaker 7: whole thing is about. But again, no, I've seen a
Speaker 7: fucking successful quarter for launch that usually gets pushed the
Speaker 7: quarter one so soon.
Speaker 6: Wouldn't be surprised. Flat what's going on?
Speaker 1: Brother?
Speaker 6: I see you up in here.
Speaker 4: Good evening, sir.
Speaker 1: How goes it?
Speaker 4: Life is very good.
Speaker 3: It's good to hear your voice as well.
Speaker 4: On the conspiracy fy on the Conspiritify spaces, we keep
Speaker 4: missing you. Yeah, we usually do it any but you're
Speaker 4: an American time zone.
Speaker 1: But you have a job.
Speaker 4: It's quit your job season, bro. You' supposed to quit
Speaker 4: your job.
Speaker 1: This is what I keep hearing.
Speaker 6: Apparently I'm not locking in enough.
Speaker 4: You've got to quit the job.
Speaker 6: No, I see, I learned from the twenty twenty one run.
Speaker 7: As soon as I started taking screenshots, it did reach
Speaker 7: a point where I quit job twenty twenty one.
Speaker 6: Quit job is like.
Speaker 7: Right at Peko top, right at Peako top, quit job,
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden coins that start crashing,
Speaker 7: the rush of Ukraine stuff pops off. Yeah, that was
Speaker 7: I learned from that one learned that you want to
Speaker 7: just keep putting money into crypto and not taking from
Speaker 7: your crypto.
Speaker 5: Well you know, you know the cardinals, sims are taking
Speaker 5: screenshots of your portfolio or showing your portfolio balance to
Speaker 5: your significant other.
Speaker 7: Ah See, I'm learning that when you want to take
Speaker 7: the screenshot is actually when you want to hit the
Speaker 7: cell button.
Speaker 3: This is true.
Speaker 4: If you're bragging about it, sell it. But it was
Speaker 4: good to have a w r X crypto. He joined
Speaker 4: the space on behalf the tin Hat cats.
Speaker 6: That was good. That's awesome to hear.
Speaker 7: W r X is our our resident news reporter. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he's doing an epic job for the Tinact team. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's awesome. I really want to get Maybe I'll set
Speaker 7: one up on a weekend or something like that. Maybe
Speaker 7: we can entice you guys in on the weekend.
Speaker 6: Have some fun.
Speaker 4: Good do I mean, evening Tommy is good because you
Speaker 4: have all the American attention but no commitment, but you
Speaker 4: miss out on the Europeans are American, to be fair,
Speaker 4: but there are a few of us, US Brits and
Speaker 4: a few Europeans still have a little bit of courage
Speaker 4: left in our blood.
Speaker 6: I love here, well, folks. It is now eight o'clock.
Speaker 7: I'm sure Jay is gonna be jumping up here a
Speaker 7: couple of minutes. Folks, I'm gonna I think I'm gonna
Speaker 7: open up the lines later. This is obviously our first
Speaker 7: like big Space, so I'm gonna open up these these
Speaker 7: lines later for people to come jump up and ask
Speaker 7: questions for Jay. But folks, I'm gonna I'm gonna kick
Speaker 7: a couple of you from from the Speaker's rules. Appreciate
Speaker 7: you guys jumping up here before killing some time with me.
Speaker 7: Chut your legend, love the love the wars that you're
Speaker 7: fighting for.
Speaker 6: THC. It's nice to have, thanks to have somebody fighting
Speaker 6: with us this time around. All right, I see Jay's.
Speaker 7: Up in here. Let's get you up on stage, sir.
Speaker 7: This is an exciting one, folks. Welcome to the stage
Speaker 7: comedian and podcaster Jay Dyer. I highly recommend just teching.
Speaker 7: Just look up Jay dire on YouTube. The content is incredible,
Speaker 7: whether it's the daily podcast listenings or the him being
Speaker 7: a guest as a podcaster on stuff, whether it's the
Speaker 7: work he's doing for Tucker's Network. There's a whole bunch
Speaker 7: of shit that Jay's got going on, real real fun.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 7: I'm not probably not gonna get him down the rabbit
Speaker 7: hole today, but if you're interested in religion at all,
Speaker 7: I swear to God, this has got to be the
Speaker 7: guy that you got to talk to constantly, having these
Speaker 7: like religious debates, talking people from all over the world,
Speaker 7: real real interesting topics.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Fuck, trying to get him up on stage here having
Speaker 6: some issues. Let me see if I and.
Speaker 7: Figured this out, just a little bit of technical difficulties.
Speaker 7: Of course, it's got to be on you know, our
Speaker 7: big space. We got to have the technical difficulties. I
Speaker 7: think I'm running okay. Oh I had them up here
Speaker 7: for a second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 6: Oh there is what's going on?
Speaker 1: Brother?
Speaker 6: How are you? Hey?
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 3: What's up with you? Man?
Speaker 7: I'm good, appreciate you jumping up here with us. It's
Speaker 7: a pleasure for me and an honor to have you
Speaker 7: kind of join us. We're the conspiracy coin in the
Speaker 7: in the crypto space.
Speaker 6: We'd like to think that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we like to It's mascot season apparently in the
Speaker 7: crypto world, so we'd like to think that we're becoming
Speaker 7: the conspiracy mascot of the space.
Speaker 6: But I do want to jump down some.
Speaker 7: Rabbit holes with you, because, uh, I don't get to
Speaker 7: talk to somebody at your level of tinfoiler very often,
Speaker 7: and for myself, I mean I go by the moniker tinfoil.
Speaker 3: Uh what level am I at?
Speaker 8: I didn't know that like a level ninety nine, level
Speaker 8: sixty nine?
Speaker 3: Thou like, what's the level on that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely like up in the sixty nines.
Speaker 3: Uh, for sure.
Speaker 6: There's there's there's.
Speaker 7: Some rankings like there's we got you know, the Alex Jones.
Speaker 7: I gotta I gotta put like on the god the
Speaker 7: god tyr.
Speaker 3: Uh. Yeah, he's at the top of the meme.
Speaker 6: All right, Sam Tripley, I have to put way up
Speaker 6: on this list.
Speaker 3: He's up there. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I want to get into you know, Sam, there's an
Speaker 7: awesome moment the Trump where every the whole fucking world
Speaker 7: is waiting on this Trump podcast to drop. On Rogan,
Speaker 7: everybody's going to Spotify waiting for this podcast to drop.
Speaker 6: What does Rogan do?
Speaker 7: He dropped the Sam Triplei Tinfoil hat uh episode with.
Speaker 6: Him on the day that we're all waiting for Trump.
Speaker 7: So the world tunes in to Sam Tripley taking everybody
Speaker 7: down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 6: And at one point he brings up a gentleman named Jay.
Speaker 3: Dyer and it was all by design, it was all planned.
Speaker 6: Dude, beautiful. Yes, I want to get down that rabbit
Speaker 6: hole at some point.
Speaker 7: The idea that you opened his eyes on British intelligence
Speaker 7: and that the British Empire never never died, that it
Speaker 7: only has grown and redefined borders in the Middle East.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is so fucking interesting to me.
Speaker 3: Well before we do that, though, you have to guess
Speaker 3: what this is?
Speaker 7: He ready, Okay, that's a that's a Sam Tripley laugh.
Speaker 8: That is Sam's laugh when you say something and he's
Speaker 8: not really paying attention and he's he's laughing out of kindness.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I just had to throw that in there.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 8: I love Sam Tripley, so I'm always impersonating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: It was funny to the wife, and I went and
Speaker 7: seen him this summer, actually very small small venue up
Speaker 7: in Toronto, sixty seater. Maybe my my wifey is Latina,
Speaker 7: a little bit loud, lapsed just a half a second
Speaker 7: longer than everybody else in the room.
Speaker 6: All five openers for Sam just dialed in on her
Speaker 6: and just ripped her a new one.
Speaker 7: And then Sam got up on stage and just had
Speaker 7: watched this whole thing play.
Speaker 6: Out, and he went at both of us.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: One of one of the favorite, my favorite nights I've
Speaker 6: ever had. So let's get into you, sir. Let's talk
Speaker 6: me a bit of your background.
Speaker 7: There's obviously a journey to to putting on the tinfoil hat.
Speaker 6: Where are you from?
Speaker 3: I'm from Tennessee.
Speaker 8: So I'm from a really small town in West Tennessee
Speaker 8: outside Nashville. So I grew up in the South Bible
Speaker 8: Bell military dad and all that, and that took us
Speaker 8: to California, who was stationed in San Diego, so actually
Speaker 8: grew up out there for I guess my formative years,
Speaker 8: and then we ended up back in the South after
Speaker 8: that time period.
Speaker 3: And I was kind of a party guy in high school.
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 8: A wild weed smoking party dude. And I was really
Speaker 8: into movies and the arts, so I was involved in
Speaker 8: theater and all that.
Speaker 3: I'm heterosexual. I was not a theater kid. Everybody assumes
Speaker 3: you're automatically gay.
Speaker 8: No, actually is a great place to meet girls because
Speaker 8: all the other dudes are gay, So you got like
Speaker 8: a a lot better chances with the theater girls.
Speaker 6: But I took I took dance growing up, so I
Speaker 6: know about this.
Speaker 3: Are you sure you're not gay?
Speaker 7: I gotta I gotta got a little baby on the way.
Speaker 1: Kay?
Speaker 3: Is he her?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 6: We'll find out. I gotta wait for that one.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's funny when I thought Tripoly.
Speaker 8: We saw him a lot too, my wife and not
Speaker 8: a few months ago in LA And the funniest part
Speaker 8: you said you were from Canada.
Speaker 3: Like there was a small room that Sam did.
Speaker 8: And it he just, for about twenty minutes straight, just
Speaker 8: went after all the Canadians. For some reason, there was
Speaker 8: like a giant troop of Canadians in LA that day,
Speaker 8: so the entire audience was Canadians and then me and
Speaker 8: my wife and Sam really impressed me because for twenty
Speaker 8: minutes straight, he just improv blasted and made fun of
Speaker 8: all the Canadians.
Speaker 3: It was awesome anyway. Yeah, so.
Speaker 8: Back to me, I mean, I was just kind of
Speaker 8: a wild party dude in high school and then I
Speaker 8: was really interested in film and went to college originally
Speaker 8: to study religion and philosophy, but I ended up taking
Speaker 8: quite a few film classes because that was just kind
Speaker 8: of a side interest I had. I always liked, you know,
Speaker 8: theater and doing comedic stuff, so I kind of had
Speaker 8: aspirations for that kind of stuff when I was younger.
Speaker 8: But in college I really just honed in on a
Speaker 8: lot of the more intellectual endeavors and got really deep
Speaker 8: into religious philosophy, geopolitics. I took a lot of courses
Speaker 8: that dealt with those fears as well. I was studying history,
Speaker 8: getting a separate degree in history, so it was a
Speaker 8: lot of academic stuff. But around that same time, this
Speaker 8: is maybe like around two thousand and two three, I
Speaker 8: stumbled across some of the more infamous I guess documentaries
Speaker 8: that were floating around at that time. There was some
Speaker 8: early stuff that Alex Jones did about Skull and Bones
Speaker 8: that I happened across in two thousand and two or three.
Speaker 8: He had done Bohemian grove stuff, so.
Speaker 3: I watched that. I was already a little bit aware.
Speaker 8: Of conspiracy stuff because I read a book in nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety eight about the United Nations and Freemasonry, so I
Speaker 8: kind of had the the seeds of conspiracy stuff in
Speaker 8: my head. And I liked movies that were somewhat conspiratorial,
Speaker 8: like Dick Donner's Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson. That was
Speaker 8: always a favorite of mine in high school. I like
Speaker 8: some other kind of you know, conspiracy adjacent stuff, kind
Speaker 8: of in the you know, drug culture and the hippie
Speaker 8: type of sphere. I was into some of that stuff,
Speaker 8: but eventually, like I said, it just became more of
Speaker 8: an academicus because for me, it was like, on the
Speaker 8: one hand, I'm studying all this philosophical stuff and then
Speaker 8: on the other hand, I'm studying a bunch of historical
Speaker 8: Hollywood stuff, and you wouldn't think the two domains meet.
Speaker 8: But what I found by the time I was doing
Speaker 8: my grad work was that no, actually, these these overlap perfectly,
Speaker 8: because Hollywood really becomes kind of a locust, kind of
Speaker 8: a nexus, you could say, of utilizing the techniques of
Speaker 8: mynd control and what's called the Velton Schanskrieg or worldview warfare,
Speaker 8: and honing that in to basically mind control people through film,
Speaker 8: through propaganda. So that's what I really focused on, and
Speaker 8: that led to what would ultimately come the topics of
Speaker 8: the first two books that I wrote on Hollywood.
Speaker 6: Crazy. Yeah, the Hollywood shit is so interesting.
Speaker 7: Television, television, the semantics just in the the words that
Speaker 7: we use, uh, is really interesting how that plays out.
Speaker 7: I find your history interesting because the idea that you
Speaker 7: come from the just give me a little bit of backstory.
Speaker 7: You come from the Bible Belt. Do you grow up
Speaker 7: with like like Christian or religious and then get into
Speaker 7: studying religion from that or do you kind of grow.
Speaker 6: Up not religious and then you're trying to learn more
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 3: So I grew up with.
Speaker 8: Like a standard Baptist GOP family. So we were I
Speaker 8: mean medium level serious about Christianity. I mean we weren't like,
Speaker 8: we weren't there every Sunday, but we were, you know,
Speaker 8: pretty consistent going to church. Growing up, as I said,
Speaker 8: raised Southern Baptists, So you know, I was into it,
Speaker 8: I guess as a kid, as a.
Speaker 3: Teenager, not so much.
Speaker 8: In high school, I was just you know, Jason, girls
Speaker 8: and partying and having fun. And then I got a
Speaker 8: little more serious about that about age eighteen nineteen, kind
Speaker 8: of got back into that sphere of things.
Speaker 3: Just again through a lot of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, what, what cause was that?
Speaker 3: Well, I.
Speaker 8: Mean, I wouldn't a lot of times people have these stories,
Speaker 8: but I was tripping and I saw the double and
Speaker 8: then I fell.
Speaker 3: Jesus bro It wasn't like that.
Speaker 8: I did have a bad as the trip that kind
Speaker 8: of like provoked me to start thinking about deeper issues.
Speaker 8: So I'm not saying that the asked trip made me
Speaker 8: a Christian, because I was already kind of raised with
Speaker 8: that worldview, but it did kind of get me thinking
Speaker 8: about those bigger questions. And then a few years later,
Speaker 8: I was at college and I just, you know, chose.
Speaker 3: I was I was gonna have to choose something to.
Speaker 8: Major in, and everything was really unappealing, and the only
Speaker 8: thing that was was appealing that was appealing to me
Speaker 8: at the State University was philosophy. So that's what I chose,
Speaker 8: and it worked out well because you know, it overlapped
Speaker 8: with a lot of things. So the great thing about
Speaker 8: philosophy is that you can do a philosophy of anything. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you can do a philosophy of film, the philosophy of comedy,
Speaker 8: philosophy of you know whatever. So anyway, that's how I
Speaker 8: let into studying that stuff.
Speaker 6: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 7: So then how do you drink during COVID time? Let's
Speaker 7: go to COVID times? What's what's the COVID times?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: For you?
Speaker 7: The virus drops. We were getting word that, you know,
Speaker 7: this is coming out of China. We're seeing the videos
Speaker 7: on Twitter out of China that this is starting.
Speaker 6: What's your immediate reaction to that.
Speaker 8: I would say since about twenty thirteen or fourteen, I've
Speaker 8: maybe even earlier, maybe even twenty eleven or twelve, Like
Speaker 8: I've always kind of been on the edge of like thinking, Okay,
Speaker 8: they're about to drop this big thing, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean, Like we're ever since twenty twelve thirteen, And
Speaker 8: that's probably because that's around the time twenty eleven that
Speaker 8: I started doing my blog and doing more podcasts and media.
Speaker 8: So you're you're kind of in the game. You're like
Speaker 8: ready for Okay, what are they going to do next?
Speaker 8: And a lot of people, you know, I was awake to.
Speaker 3: A lot of conspiracy stuff, like I said, since about
Speaker 3: twenty and two or three.
Speaker 8: So I went through the whole Ron Paul era of
Speaker 8: you know, the libertarian stuff out of Auto, the Fed
Speaker 8: twenty seven eight, you know, Tea Party and all that.
Speaker 8: So at that time, everybody was thinking economic collapse, and
Speaker 8: everybody was saying, oh, we got to be preppers, you know,
Speaker 8: get be ready for.
Speaker 3: The collapse that's coming.
Speaker 8: And it was kind of true because we had the
Speaker 8: two thousand and eight you know, housing collapse, and that
Speaker 8: was was a kind of collapse. It wasn't like nationwide
Speaker 8: road warrior stuff. But and as as you guys know,
Speaker 8: that's what led of course to the Bitcoin white paper
Speaker 8: and all that. So that that did kind of give
Speaker 8: us that partial solution, I guess you could say, to
Speaker 8: the ills of the world. But by the time the
Speaker 8: twenty tens, I was kind of like, like you said,
Speaker 8: they're like, what was I looking for?
Speaker 3: What was on the on the radar?
Speaker 8: I was thinking, Okay, every year, it's like, what's the
Speaker 8: big thing they're going to drop next?
Speaker 3: When's the next nine to eleven? I think is kind
Speaker 3: of what we were looking for.
Speaker 8: And it was longer than I thought I thought we
Speaker 8: would see more kind of crazy stuff going down the
Speaker 8: twenty tens. We didn't really and then boom twenty twenty.
Speaker 8: I don't think anybody was expecting. Although if we had
Speaker 8: been paying attention to the drills and exercises, you know,
Speaker 8: and the white papers that they had written, we would
Speaker 8: have probably had that on the radar. But do you
Speaker 8: remember the Illuminati card game or familiar with that?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, that's back what in the nineties.
Speaker 3: I think it did original in the nineties.
Speaker 8: I have a copy of a lot of the original
Speaker 8: cards that they have since kind of added new ones.
Speaker 8: But what I'm getting at is like throughout the twenty tens,
Speaker 8: we were all kind of waiting to see, like what
Speaker 8: are they going to drop next? Are goin to drop
Speaker 8: the fake aliens? Is it going to be a pandemic?
Speaker 8: Is it going to be an economic collapse a real one?
Speaker 6: Is it going to be a war?
Speaker 8: And I think you could say, like back in the
Speaker 8: Summer of Rage or whatever, that was like a little
Speaker 8: one they dropped about, you know, the race stuff and
Speaker 8: the BLM and the riots.
Speaker 3: That was all engineered a natural turf, So.
Speaker 8: That's that was they threw down that card from the
Speaker 8: Illuminati card deck. I don't think anybody twenty twenty that
Speaker 8: was expecting the pandemic card to drop, although when it dropped,
Speaker 8: everybody was then like, hey, wait a minute. You know,
Speaker 8: look at exercise, you know, ev into a one, look
Speaker 8: at this far As document, look at Clayed X, at
Speaker 8: Crimson catage, and you know, look at the John Hopkins exercises,
Speaker 8: et cetera. So that then it turns out, you know,
Speaker 8: hindsight is twenty twenty. You see all this stuff that
Speaker 8: they did in preparation for this, and you know, if
Speaker 8: you've studied the nine to eleven stuff, you know that
Speaker 8: they always do drills, same with seven to seven in
Speaker 8: the UK, there's always drills that are kind of preparation
Speaker 8: and the cover of times for the event.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Think I think it wasn't expected, but at the same time,
Speaker 8: we were all expecting something. It's just they dropped this
Speaker 8: like crazy wax sye op that basically showed half of
Speaker 8: the population to be completely retarded.
Speaker 3: As the way I view it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's so interesting, man, because like I'm still seeing
Speaker 7: the shit up here. I was working down in Toronto
Speaker 7: today and you're still looking at thirty percent of people
Speaker 7: running around with Matt Wow, it's fucking nuts. Yeah, Canada,
Speaker 7: Like God, we went through it. It's just this idea
Speaker 7: of like this polite society if you if you weren't
Speaker 7: you know, taking the vax or you were talking anti
Speaker 7: vax or anything like that, like you were going.
Speaker 6: Against the whole society, because that wasn't polite.
Speaker 7: Fucking wild. It got real wild up here. Uh Now,
Speaker 7: what did this do for your image during this time?
Speaker 7: Because I know for myself being, you know, I'd got
Speaker 7: down the conspiracy rabbit holes before this that led into
Speaker 7: some content making.
Speaker 6: Had some videos that went big during the beginning of it, that.
Speaker 7: Led to a bunch of accounts getting banned and kind
Speaker 7: of having to restart again. How did the COVID times
Speaker 7: work for you? Did your image just kind of grow?
Speaker 7: And did is this where the boom kind of happened
Speaker 7: for you?
Speaker 8: We got a huge boom during that period, I think,
Speaker 8: as everybody can probably surmise, because everybody who was basically
Speaker 8: spending all their time online, so my audio the ends
Speaker 8: probably doubled in that time, My income probably doubled or
Speaker 8: tripled in that time, and that was all kind of surprising.
Speaker 3: Again, nobody expected that.
Speaker 8: I think everybody had this very negative attitude, which was
Speaker 8: appropriate because it was so crazy and such a dark
Speaker 8: sy op.
Speaker 3: However, for us.
Speaker 8: It was like like this was like our best you know,
Speaker 8: years of audience wise and money wise, So it is
Speaker 8: a blessing in disguise, I guess, I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 8: I didn't enjoy that time period. Obviously, it sucked, even
Speaker 8: even if you lived in a place that was you know,
Speaker 8: a red state that was pretty open, which is where
Speaker 8: we were at the time.
Speaker 3: We were in Tennessee at that time, and.
Speaker 8: I don't I don't think in my hometown where I lived, like,
Speaker 8: I don't think I ever wore a mask.
Speaker 3: I can't recall during that entire period.
Speaker 8: The only time I ever had to wear a mask
Speaker 8: in Tennessee is if you go to like downtown Nashville,
Speaker 8: where you know, in the in the city city you
Speaker 8: would find some you know, shithead liberal loon that would
Speaker 8: scream at you at you know, whole foods or whatever.
Speaker 8: That's the only place I ever encountered any of that. So,
Speaker 8: if you know, for me, life didn't really change except
Speaker 8: that there.
Speaker 3: Wasn't really any restaurants to eat out.
Speaker 8: That was the one sucky part because the place where
Speaker 8: I loved doesn't really have any good restaurants. It's like
Speaker 8: a bunch of shitty It's a bunch of shitty, greasy
Speaker 8: oil seed oil you know, fatty Southern bullshit food restaurants
Speaker 8: that don't have good food. So you have to drive
Speaker 8: basically to Nashville if you want to eat somewhere good,
Speaker 8: and uh, anywhere you go in Nashville it is like
Speaker 8: you know, COVID and for a long time there was
Speaker 8: no restaurant.
Speaker 3: Everything was shut down. But so I know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people had a lot worse
Speaker 3: than me. So I'm not trying to bitch and moan.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
Speaker 8: I'm just saying my personal experience was it actually wasn't
Speaker 8: very bad. I mean, it's almost like there wasn't a
Speaker 8: quote pandemic. There was just all these people talking about,
Speaker 8: you know, their blue cities and their shitty states being
Speaker 8: basically dystopian nightmares, and for us, it was pretty it
Speaker 8: was pretty uh pretty rad actually, I mean, but I
Speaker 8: mean it was already from home, so like everybody else
Speaker 8: is like that, they'll work from home, Like dude, I've
Speaker 8: been working from home since twenty fourteen doing conspiracy stuff online.
Speaker 8: So I already worked from home. I already you know,
Speaker 8: cooked my own food.
Speaker 3: We don't we don't eat out that much.
Speaker 8: Because most restaurants you know, use seed oils and shit,
Speaker 8: and it messes up my stomach. So anyway, I'm rambling
Speaker 8: just to say that, you know, in a weird way.
Speaker 3: Actually code was a huge boost for us.
Speaker 8: It kind of went to That was around the time too,
Speaker 8: when I started hosting in four Wars. So twenty twenty
Speaker 8: was I think the first year that they asked me
Speaker 8: to host and come on. So so yeah, for us,
Speaker 8: it was it was just the opposite about ironically.
Speaker 7: Uh, I would like to get some moufa from you.
Speaker 6: Where are we at with this the Info War sale?
Speaker 7: And do you have any expectations of what's going to
Speaker 7: happen with with Alex Jones and in fours?
Speaker 8: Well, as we said, it's kind of like this this
Speaker 8: ongoing circus because it kind of flips back and forth.
Speaker 8: You know, I don't I'm not privy to any inside
Speaker 8: information per se. I mean I talked to Darry the
Speaker 8: producer often. I talked to Alex a little bit, But
Speaker 8: I don't know any inside deats except that except what
Speaker 8: Alex just kind of puts up publicly. So you know,
Speaker 8: I think they're just kind of waiting to see at
Speaker 8: the next hearing what the jes Des sides about the
Speaker 8: scandal that happened last week. So yeah, my feelings are
Speaker 8: that it's swinging back in the direction of Alex.
Speaker 3: That's the way it looks. And it just hit me today.
Speaker 8: That what the actual cunning plan was with that gigantic,
Speaker 8: you know, billion dollar thing, it wasn't even about the
Speaker 8: billion dollars. What I realized today was that the reason
Speaker 8: they did that was that if you remember that one
Speaker 8: lawyer came on and said, if you're a supporter of
Speaker 8: Alex or Info Wars, you should realize that any money
Speaker 8: that you give is going to be going to, you know,
Speaker 8: the people who want the Sandy Hook people. And what
Speaker 8: that was designed to do was actually destroy the economic
Speaker 8: potential of in force continuing, because everybody who loves Alex
Speaker 8: Jones is therefore not going to give any money to
Speaker 8: Alex because they think, then, well, I'm not gonna give
Speaker 8: it to Alex because the money is going to go
Speaker 8: to these families that are suing Alex. So it's a
Speaker 8: very clever way to attempt to economically emasculate info wars.
Speaker 8: But whether that's going to happen, I don't know. It's
Speaker 8: just really I guess it's depending upon the judge, but
Speaker 8: it is it's good news. I guess to hear that
Speaker 8: Alex is going to you know, take it back and
Speaker 8: counter suit and stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was reading today about the countersuit against the
Speaker 7: Sandy Hook families.
Speaker 6: That's crazy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm so intrigued to see how it all plays
Speaker 7: out like it just seems. It seems to be there's
Speaker 7: there's all these conspiracies from the elites to like whether
Speaker 7: it's against Alex, whether it's against Trump, small content creators
Speaker 7: getting fucked like.
Speaker 6: You name it. The way they can manipulate the court
Speaker 6: system them to do this kind of shit is wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think that was an overlooked arena that a lot
Speaker 8: of because a lot of people in our domain, when
Speaker 8: we look at, you know, the tyranny that's coming, the technocracy,
Speaker 8: the dystopia, the means and the surveillance and all that,
Speaker 8: we're always thinking that it's going to be this government
Speaker 8: boot on our neck. It's going to be you know,
Speaker 8: un troops, it's going to be this or that. And
Speaker 8: we missed these sort of subtle ways. For example, the
Speaker 8: whole COVID crisis, like that was all the New World
Speaker 8: Order basically sliding into the back door of the medical system,
Speaker 8: you know, and health. So that's not the arena everybody expected.
Speaker 8: You know, you're expecting police state people busting on your door.
Speaker 3: No, they're doing it through.
Speaker 8: Like the Boomer medicares you know, medicine system and tricking
Speaker 8: all the Boomers into thinking that, you know, if you
Speaker 8: wear a mask, you're not going to get you know.
Speaker 3: Throat aids or whatever they thought it was.
Speaker 8: And then at the same time, like you know, when
Speaker 8: it comes to uh, these other situations, it's like they
Speaker 8: can slip through these things that you don't expect. And
Speaker 8: that's the you know, compromise of the judiciary. I remember
Speaker 8: one conspiracy book ever talking about the compromising of the
Speaker 8: you know, the judicial system. And so that's not even
Speaker 8: something on anybody's radar, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So that was a big one that we missed.
Speaker 7: I think, well, it's funny because I didn't even think
Speaker 7: anything about the judicial system until there was the idea
Speaker 7: of Democrats started coming out saying that Trump was going
Speaker 7: to stack the Supreme Court. Yeah, and it was like
Speaker 7: every time about yeah, it was like, oh, that's fucking interesting,
Speaker 7: Like there is a game going on to the to
Speaker 7: the just the justice system. Obviously we you know, having
Speaker 7: Biden in, Uh, it almost went the other way. Yeah,
Speaker 7: crazy to think that it feels like every level of
Speaker 7: government and it has been it has been corrupted.
Speaker 3: Well, it's every area of society.
Speaker 8: Like you know, if you go back and read a
Speaker 8: lot of these technocrats and the older elite writings, which
Speaker 8: is you know, one of the things that we kind
Speaker 8: of pioneered on my channel was you know, not just theorizing,
Speaker 8: which which I'm fine with. It's it's there's nothing wrong
Speaker 8: with with theorizing within reason, but to actually go into
Speaker 8: the documents and writings of the elite, which we've lectured
Speaker 8: through I think in the last six or seven years
Speaker 8: about sixty or seventy of those documents. So this is
Speaker 8: like the writings of you know, Brazienski and Kissinger and
Speaker 8: Rockefellers quickly on and on on. There's a whole you know,
Speaker 8: dozens of these texts and white papers and what you
Speaker 8: start to notice is that the plan was was full
Speaker 8: spectrum dominance. I think that was the term that Rumsfeld
Speaker 8: chose after nine to eleven, was, Oh, you know, to
Speaker 8: combat the enemies of America, we're going to have to
Speaker 8: plan and strategize for quote full spectrum dominance. And that
Speaker 8: became the Pentagon's operating model. And that makes perfect sense
Speaker 8: when you look at for example, remember during COVID World
Speaker 8: Economic Forum put out this website that you could sign
Speaker 8: up for, and when you sign up for it, you
Speaker 8: got you got this like graphic scenery that would explain
Speaker 8: to you all of the different areas of society that
Speaker 8: they intended to remake with.
Speaker 3: What they wanted out of the COVID stuff.
Speaker 8: And it was every area of life like they want
Speaker 8: to remake and re reshape, you know, education, science, religion, economics, education, Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean like every religion, religion, church, like every area
Speaker 8: of society, all the way down to you know, like insurance.
Speaker 8: You know, insurance being based on you know, tracking carbon credits, surveillance,
Speaker 8: like just just crazy stuff. So and that's the thing
Speaker 8: is like when you look at these books from hundred
Speaker 8: years ago and then you look at the recent statements
Speaker 8: from the same power structure.
Speaker 3: It's the exact same plan.
Speaker 6: So this is a good there's a good segue.
Speaker 7: Actually, the power structure we'll call that the they, and
Speaker 7: we all use this term day.
Speaker 6: They doing this, They are doing that. Who is the
Speaker 6: day to you?
Speaker 8: So they is a coterie, a cabal of elite families.
Speaker 8: It is the founders of the Federal Reserve banking system,
Speaker 8: which based that on the older Rothschild fiat banking model
Speaker 8: that was used in Europe and in the UK. That
Speaker 8: is the model the Bank of England for example. So
Speaker 8: in my view it is the mainly the Rothschild's Roads
Speaker 8: Milner elite circles, and those elite circles have a specific
Speaker 8: technique and model of banking that's kind of the as
Speaker 8: we said, this sort of the center of the egg
Speaker 8: or the center of the onion. And then what they
Speaker 8: do is they have the sort of concentric circles outside
Speaker 8: of that that they also run in control that include
Speaker 8: nation states, corporations. I'm not saying they control everything and everybody,
Speaker 8: but the model that they have of control, which is
Speaker 8: kind of what we call this deep state model, which
Speaker 8: is really just a breakaway intelligence bureaucracy that runs things,
Speaker 8: and they're the ones that kind of in a public
Speaker 8: private way, hidden in plain sight way, they kind of
Speaker 8: tell the government what to do. So they elected officials
Speaker 8: have a very limited amount of power, I would say,
Speaker 8: and they actually answer to these people who you know,
Speaker 8: make up like the intelligence agencies, the heads of think tanks,
Speaker 8: the heads of you know NGOs. Those people are really
Speaker 8: the ones kind of given the politicians the talking points.
Speaker 8: And so this would be like Brookings Institute, Ran Corporation,
Speaker 8: it would be into these like Council in Foreign Relations,
Speaker 8: Trilateral Commission, Builderberg Group. Those are all the steering committees
Speaker 8: that actually kind of have the power and call the shots.
Speaker 8: And then the politicians typically are king to beholden to
Speaker 8: to them.
Speaker 3: But the public doesn't really know this, theyn't ever really
Speaker 3: figure it out. They think that, you.
Speaker 8: Know, it's the it's the boobs in Washington, and we
Speaker 8: gotta throw them out, get the bad apples out of Washington.
Speaker 3: It's not Washington, it's the people that own Washington, right,
Speaker 3: So that's how I believe that they is.
Speaker 8: And so one hundred years ago, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 8: years ago, it was the people who the Rothchilds around
Speaker 8: the British Empire. Well, the British empire kind of waned
Speaker 8: and died, and this same coterie, this royal society, elite
Speaker 8: coterie of the Fabian socialists in the circles of Rossfeldt
Speaker 8: really just kind of brought the American empire back under
Speaker 8: its sway. I don't mean the British empire. I mean
Speaker 8: under this elite.
Speaker 3: Cabal this sway. And so that's the same.
Speaker 8: People that are still in charge and still running things.
Speaker 8: They aligned themselves with the powerful industrial banking families in America,
Speaker 8: the Rockefellers, the CARNEGIESE Morgan's, JP Morgan, the Vanderbilts, Oppenheimer's,
Speaker 8: all those people. All those families are the American oligarchs
Speaker 8: that have kind of been in control together with banking interests,
Speaker 8: the Warburg's, the Shifts and others. Coon and Lobe and
Speaker 8: these are all kind of these are all mentioned kind
Speaker 8: of in the public, you know, big geopolitical This isn't
Speaker 8: actually conspiracy stuff. This is like Quigly, Brazenski, et cetera.
Speaker 8: They all admit this. So that's who runs things, and
Speaker 8: that's who's really been running things. If you want a
Speaker 8: more recent example, through their entities like Davos, like World
Speaker 8: Economic Forum, Well that's Davos, or you know Bilderberg or
Speaker 8: you know Rockfeller Foundation, et cetera. That's who was running COVID,
Speaker 8: was the CIA in the Rockfeller Foundation.
Speaker 7: So yeah, so if I'm thinking head of the snake,
Speaker 7: you know, I hear names like a like a Klose Schwab,
Speaker 7: a George Soros.
Speaker 6: Where where are they?
Speaker 3: They called them heads of the snake. I mean both
Speaker 3: of them were.
Speaker 8: They were actually recruited, right, So, like Soros was essentially
Speaker 8: during the rag Era working with the CIA to open
Speaker 8: up Eastern Bloc countries through the gene sharp Color Revolution stuff.
Speaker 3: So that's actually shual.
Speaker 8: Soros was really kind of making his bones during seventies
Speaker 8: and eighties, and they were pushing for all this sort
Speaker 8: of you know, neoliberal economic stuff in the former Soviet
Speaker 8: Bloc countries to integrate those countries into the IMF World
Speaker 8: Bank model because they were prior, you know, previously not
Speaker 8: and that doesn't make the Soviets good, by the way,
Speaker 8: I think the Soviets were just another kind of bad guy.
Speaker 8: But we recently, for example, covered some of the texts
Speaker 8: from the kissinger of France, Jacques Attalie, and I didn't
Speaker 8: realize that. In his nineteen ninety one book, I think
Speaker 8: it's called Millennium.
Speaker 3: The subtitles something about actually about the new world order.
Speaker 8: In that book he says, well, the Soviet you know,
Speaker 8: union just collapsed, and I've been appointed to be the
Speaker 8: head of the ECB, the European Bank, to restructure these
Speaker 8: Soviet block countries, to put them under the IMF model,
Speaker 8: in other words, to put them in the debt slave
Speaker 8: fiat model. So, I mean there's an example of operatives
Speaker 8: right there, you know, kissing deer Brazenski shakatt the Lee
Speaker 8: is literally saying, I'm an operative for the for the
Speaker 8: Western banking structure to basically, you know, in debt these
Speaker 8: former Soviet countries in in in perpetual debt model slavery.
Speaker 8: In that book, that's just one example. But yeah, it's
Speaker 8: just a bunch of banking and corporate elite. And yes,
Speaker 8: Zionis have a large sway in that in that field,
Speaker 8: they're not the totality of it, but they definitely have
Speaker 8: a lot of sway.
Speaker 3: And a lot of power.
Speaker 7: Okay, another good segue here, because uh, international monetary fund. Yeah,
Speaker 7: trying to do this, will loan you billion dollars. Hey,
Speaker 7: El Salvador, you want to buy some bitcoin, We're not
Speaker 7: going to give you that billion dollar loan. El Salvador went, okay, fine,
Speaker 7: We're just gonna keep buying bitcoin.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 8: The middle I was, they did the right thing, right,
Speaker 8: middle finger to them, right, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: You look at our south of today and look at
Speaker 6: bitcoin price. I'm sure they're doing real well.
Speaker 7: How do you think bitcoin fucks with the geopolitics and
Speaker 7: this power structure?
Speaker 8: I still think, you know, in twenty fourteen. Actually, you
Speaker 8: know I heard about bitcoin in twenty eleven or twelve
Speaker 8: because I used to watch Kaiser Report and Max Kaiser.
Speaker 8: I remember watching the episode.
Speaker 3: I bet Kind's sketch it. I bet kind of it's
Speaker 3: a monetary store of value. If you ature it's a
Speaker 3: black hole.
Speaker 8: I bet kind is a to the suicide bankers of
Speaker 8: Jamie Dimond. I don't know if you remember maxk but
Speaker 8: I was an avid listener to Kaiser, And actually it
Speaker 8: was around twenty ten eleven that I was first getting
Speaker 8: Actually the two thousand and eight housing crisis is what
Speaker 8: actually what got me interested in economics because I knew
Speaker 8: about the Federal Reserve being a scam and all that
Speaker 8: prior to two thousand and eight. But I had not
Speaker 8: really focused on economics. I was familiar with some of
Speaker 8: the you know, Austrian school. I'd read a bunch of
Speaker 8: an Ran stuff, so I kind of had the basics
Speaker 8: of like, you know, objectivism, libertarian ethics, practice and all that,
Speaker 8: but it wasn't like a main focus of mine. I
Speaker 8: was more interested in secret societies and syops and.
Speaker 3: That kind of stuff.
Speaker 8: But the two thousand and eight housing crisis happened, and
Speaker 8: I remember I was watching a lot of Peter Schiff
Speaker 8: videos at the time. I was listening to podcast. He
Speaker 8: used to come on Alex all the time. I remember
Speaker 8: I read two Peter Shift books back in two thousand
Speaker 8: and eight, and I bought Thomas Woods's book about the
Speaker 8: housing collapse. So around that time I was getting more
Speaker 8: I mean, I was wholly broke, by the way, can
Speaker 8: I have any money? But I was just getting interested
Speaker 8: in economics because I started thinking like, well, why am.
Speaker 3: I broke as hell?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: I mean, I work hard. I you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: like blowing money, but I'm super bros.
Speaker 8: So I would just wanted to solve the economic situation,
Speaker 8: mainly for myself. And then I also was interested in
Speaker 8: and you know, the country and the housing crisis and
Speaker 8: all that, because I remember thinking will I ever be
Speaker 8: able to have a house?
Speaker 3: It is like is this going to be?
Speaker 8: This is destroying the entire housing market, Like what's going
Speaker 8: to happen? And so I read those books and that
Speaker 8: got me interested in gold. So you know, I already
Speaker 8: again I knew about the federserve being a scam, but
Speaker 8: I didn't really understand that. You know what's the best
Speaker 8: heads Well, all of those you know, Austrian economics books,
Speaker 8: they all just basically tell you to buy gold.
Speaker 3: And Peter Shipp tells you buy gold.
Speaker 8: And I'm actually thankful for that because I did have
Speaker 8: a phase where I started saving my money in about
Speaker 8: two thousand and eight, and I actually bought my first
Speaker 8: bar of gold, well not a bar ounce of gold
Speaker 8: from Alex.
Speaker 3: I remember that in two.
Speaker 8: Two thousand and eight, seven or eight, I bought an
Speaker 8: ounce of gold from Alex because Ted Anderson used to
Speaker 8: sell gold in Alex's show. And I remember I was thought,
Speaker 8: I was like, oh man, I'm so smart, Like I'm
Speaker 8: actually saving my money now, like because I have this
Speaker 8: one ounce of gold it's worth like nine hundred dollars
Speaker 8: or whatever it was. But you know what funny about
Speaker 8: that is that was actually that was actually a good
Speaker 8: I was actually a good phase to go through, like
Speaker 8: because it taught me, Okay, I know this fiats crap,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna start saving. It's got to be converted over
Speaker 8: into gold. So I just kept buying gold and silver.
Speaker 3: I mean, I never had like a lot, but I
Speaker 3: was just basically using that as my savings account.
Speaker 8: And then about yeah, and you're not You're not buying
Speaker 8: golden silver stock.
Speaker 6: You were just buying, you.
Speaker 3: Said the bar just straight up gold.
Speaker 8: Because in twenty nineteen, I actually took all of that
Speaker 8: gold and silver.
Speaker 3: It wasn't whole, it was about thirteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 8: And I went and sold it all to the to
Speaker 8: my gold dude and bought bitcoin. And I remember I
Speaker 8: remember having the conversation with the with the guy.
Speaker 3: He was like, I don't know, man, that bitcoin, that's
Speaker 3: kind of risky. You sure you want to sell all
Speaker 3: this gold. I'm like, yep, I'm sure.
Speaker 8: And I remember at the time bitcoin was about ten thousand,
Speaker 8: so I actually got one whole BTC out of that.
Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen or maybe twenty eighteen.
Speaker 8: But anyway, long story short, I'm I'm rambling, but so
Speaker 8: go back to rewind back to twenty eleven twelve. I
Speaker 8: remember Max KUIs are talking about bitcoin, but I just
Speaker 8: didn't understand what it was. And I remember I did
Speaker 8: my first public event. I spoke at a conference called
Speaker 8: Secret Space Program Conference, and you can still find that
Speaker 8: electure on YouTube's. It's pretty good breakdown of like esoteric
Speaker 8: Hollywood stuff. I wasn't there to do anything about space
Speaker 8: or aliens. I was actually debunking aliens. But there's this
Speaker 8: dude that came to the conference and he was all
Speaker 8: about bitcoin, and he was just like, oh dude, you
Speaker 8: got to get bitcoin. This was like twenty fourteen, and
Speaker 8: I'm like, well, I've been hearing about this since twenty
Speaker 8: eleven from Max Kaiser, But you know, I was like,
Speaker 8: you know, you libertarians are like so idealistic.
Speaker 3: This was never going to catch on. They're going to
Speaker 3: shut this down.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: I had all the same food everybody has at the beginning,
Speaker 8: and I was like, this is cia andsa invention.
Speaker 3: It's a way to get you into electronic currency.
Speaker 8: Blah blah blah, all the same food, right, And I
Speaker 8: remember I had another buddy who was a big fan
Speaker 8: of bitcoin. Ironically didn't buy it, but he was just
Speaker 8: like super into the philosoph and he was studying it
Speaker 8: and he started arguing with me, and we had these
Speaker 8: arguments back and forth for about a year. And then
Speaker 8: I remember in twenty sixteen seventeen, I started noticing it
Speaker 8: going up and I was still broke as hell, and
Speaker 8: I remember thinking, all right, I've got a couple thousand
Speaker 8: dollars and I just saw a bitcoin go from like
Speaker 8: I don't know, eighteen hundred to twenty five hundred or something,
Speaker 8: and I remember thinking I could have at least made
Speaker 8: a little bit of money if i'd had some. So
Speaker 8: I went through this huge hassle. My bank was a
Speaker 8: nightmare because they thought it was a scam. They were
Speaker 8: like this hitting legal, and yes, it is not illegal
Speaker 8: in Tennessee.
Speaker 3: I can buy bitcoin if I want to.
Speaker 8: And to me, like three days of arguing with my
Speaker 8: stupid bank before they let me actually buy bitcoin, and
Speaker 8: I just started stacking at that time. I'm not going
Speaker 8: to say how much I have, but you know, we've
Speaker 8: done really well with that. It's kind of it's gonna
Speaker 8: it's really been the main source of income for us.
Speaker 8: I mean, we do well with the other stuff, with
Speaker 8: the book and the website and all that.
Speaker 3: But it's kind of like the hedge, I guess you
Speaker 3: could say, so, yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean I think for me, and not just because
Speaker 8: of the personal you know, positives, but like, it teaches
Speaker 8: you humility, it teaches you to be objective, it teaches
Speaker 8: you to be to save, it teaches you long term
Speaker 8: value propositions, a lot of the stuff that gold would
Speaker 8: teach you. But I think bitcoin teaches it better than
Speaker 8: gold does because gold is just like slow motion, right,
Speaker 8: It's like, oh, I've.
Speaker 3: Saved gold for ten years, I made ten percent. Wow,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean maybe more in the last ten years.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I really think it's genuinely, as a long
Speaker 8: ass answer, sorry for your question, I do think that
Speaker 8: it is a legitimate solution. It's certainly the best possible
Speaker 8: solution to the monetary problems of the world. I mean,
Speaker 8: I don't know if anything in this world is ever
Speaker 8: going to be quote perfect. There's no silver bullet, but
Speaker 8: it's definitely the supreme best case scenario for solving the
Speaker 8: economic problems.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got so, I got two questions within this.
Speaker 7: You mentioned like a coup from a very similar journey.
Speaker 7: You know, I find gold, I find silver, kind of
Speaker 7: anti bitcoin in the beginning with magic Internet money and
Speaker 7: I want nothing to do with that. That so when
Speaker 7: you see, you see Trump originally is kind of anti bitcoin,
Speaker 7: anti Uh, that pivot has happened in the last year
Speaker 7: or so. What do you think causes that pivot within
Speaker 7: Trump himself and within his supporter base.
Speaker 8: Well, I think there was a probably a series of factors.
Speaker 8: I think that the first crack in the wall was
Speaker 8: probably that Max Kaiser, you know, used to come on
Speaker 8: Alex all the time and was talking about bitcoin for
Speaker 8: so long. And I would say, actually, probably Max is
Speaker 8: the one that convinced me first that even over my
Speaker 8: buddy's arguments, because I was actually started listening to a
Speaker 8: bunch of Max's show in interviews after I was arguing
Speaker 8: with my buddy about bitcoin, because I wanted to hear,
Speaker 8: you know, what the arguments were, because I was going
Speaker 8: to refute it. I remember I even wrote like in
Speaker 8: twenty fourteen, like a long article against bitcoin, and I
Speaker 8: was so wrong. So that was one of the one
Speaker 8: of the few cases I admit where I'm joking. I've
Speaker 8: been wrong many times, but in the last ten years,
Speaker 8: that was one of my biggest errors, was my twenty
Speaker 8: fourteen anti crypto article.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I watched a bunch of Max Kais.
Speaker 8: So Max Kaiser I think had a huge influence on
Speaker 8: changing Alex's mind because Alex was kind of so averse
Speaker 8: to it as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, he was like not against it, but not
Speaker 3: for it. He was just kind of like, I just
Speaker 3: don't know. This just seems like it seems like the
Speaker 3: money to leave. I just don't get it on.
Speaker 8: And then after a while, when you know, somebody sent
Speaker 8: Alex that nine million dollar bitcoin donation that I think
Speaker 8: definitely showed Alex that this is like the money of
Speaker 8: freedom right liberty money, and uh so that saved in
Speaker 8: fo wars at that time, and that convinced him. That
Speaker 8: probably then helped to because there was a close connection
Speaker 8: between you know, Alex and Roger Stone and Trump right,
Speaker 8: so that there's they communicate often. So that probably this
Speaker 8: is my speculation, that probably helped get Roger Stone thinking
Speaker 8: about the importance of bitcoin in this election in crypto.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Then of course RFK was a big bitcoin supporter.
Speaker 8: He made that a very crucial topic in the in
Speaker 8: the election.
Speaker 3: Talked about all the time. Uh.
Speaker 8: And then you had, of course Michael Sailor being so
Speaker 8: vocal and everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: I remember it was a big deal when Tucker about
Speaker 8: a year ago. Remember Tucker had Michael Sailor on for
Speaker 8: like a two hour interview, and that opened a lot
Speaker 8: of boomer's eyes because I shared that interview with all
Speaker 8: my boomer relatives. And even though I've been telling them
Speaker 8: about bitcoinsince twenties seventeen. If you know how boomers are,
Speaker 8: like boomers are never going to listen to anything you
Speaker 8: say until another Boomer or Fox News says it. It's
Speaker 8: like even if it's shit that you literally said ten
Speaker 8: years ago, like they're not going to believe it until.
Speaker 6: You know, Well, I saw Tucker on Fox saying it.
Speaker 1: I guess it's true.
Speaker 3: It's like, Mom, I told you that ten years ago, right.
Speaker 3: So I think that was a huge pivot.
Speaker 8: All the evangelism that Sailor did and then putting his
Speaker 8: money where his mouth is, with all the money that
Speaker 8: he put into it.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm obviously not a fan of black rock,
Speaker 8: but we probably can't overlook the power and influence that
Speaker 8: blackrock has, so blackrock probably had.
Speaker 3: A role in normalizing it.
Speaker 8: Then of course we had the ETFs in January, which
Speaker 8: you know, that's institutional acceptance. So anyway, long story short,
Speaker 8: I think those are probably all factors in what changed
Speaker 8: Trump's mind. And then probably when Trump realized, with you know,
Speaker 8: NFTs and his own cryptos or whatever, he could make money,
Speaker 8: that's probably a factor as well.
Speaker 7: I'm glad you because there's part of me that just
Speaker 7: likes to think that, you know, Baron gets into the
Speaker 7: airboat dropping an NFT collection, he drops it, sees the wallet,
Speaker 7: and goes, oh shit.
Speaker 6: This is yeah money.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'll tell you something that we had a
Speaker 8: unfortunate incident not too long ago with me mean points
Speaker 8: where I know everybody has one of these stories, but
Speaker 8: this one's a little bit embarrassing because I woke up
Speaker 8: one day and Jamie and I were talking about mean
Speaker 8: coins and and I'm not a big like mean coin
Speaker 8: d gen or whatever, but I'll play around with a
Speaker 8: little bit of money here and there in a mean
Speaker 8: cooin for fun, and we were talking about peanut because
Speaker 8: Jamie noticed.
Speaker 3: That that was everywhere.
Speaker 8: This is so crazy that so now we didn't lose money.
Speaker 8: Let me say first of all, in this embarrassing story,
Speaker 8: we didn't lose money. Yeah, and we're we're very blessed,
Speaker 8: we're doing really well. But we almost had a gigantic
Speaker 8: of money. And now I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna
Speaker 8: go and tell you what the mistake was.
Speaker 3: First mistake was it was early in the morning.
Speaker 8: I decided, okay, and I get paid in ethereum from
Speaker 8: another thing that I do through Rock fin So I
Speaker 8: got a rock fan payment, right, and it was a
Speaker 8: certain amount of the theories I'll say it's about a
Speaker 8: thousand dollars fifteen dollars in ethereum, right, And I said,
Speaker 8: you know what, I'm just gonna ape in a little
Speaker 8: bit on this peanut, just because I think these memes
Speaker 8: are going so crazy.
Speaker 3: And I looked and I noticed that on.
Speaker 8: Ethereum there was four peanuts, all of which were obviously
Speaker 8: the fake ones, right. And I, because it was early
Speaker 8: in the morning, I just woke up and I got
Speaker 8: that payment, and I didn't even think it should have
Speaker 8: been so obvious that no, obviously the peanut that would
Speaker 8: go off would be the one on Salana, right, But
Speaker 8: I just didn't think about it. And I was like,
Speaker 8: I'll throw a little bit over here in this peanut,
Speaker 8: and that peanut dumped really quick, as of course many
Speaker 8: mean points dump, you know, after their first initial launch, right,
Speaker 8: So I didn't think a whole lot about it. I
Speaker 8: went ahead and like, all right, so I've lost about
Speaker 8: five hundred bucks. I'm gonna just, you know, save the
Speaker 8: last thousand of this fifteen hundred and I kid you
Speaker 8: not five six days later the one that I meant
Speaker 8: if we would have four four and a half million
Speaker 8: dollars in peanut, if I had bought the right peanut
Speaker 8: and held it. And it was such a mistake, but
Speaker 8: it's okay. I learned my lesson. I mean, everybody has
Speaker 8: these crypto mistakes. Like even going back to twenty fourteen,
Speaker 8: if the dude at the conference I was at, if
Speaker 8: i'd listened to him, he was actually gonna give me
Speaker 8: a bitcoin. He's like, I'm gonna give you two bitcoin
Speaker 8: if you just get a wallet, and I'm like, I
Speaker 8: don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: They don't know what a wallet is.
Speaker 8: So I would have had another additional tube bit quin
Speaker 8: if I had just gotten that wallet, that guy to it.
Speaker 3: So anyway, there's but that's just two mistakes.
Speaker 8: I mean that you know, there's there's there's good stuff.
Speaker 8: So I'm definitely we're good. We didn't lose any money,
Speaker 8: but we missed out on a lot more than what
Speaker 8: we have.
Speaker 7: The last maybe crypto topic, how many chains are you
Speaker 7: playing around on? Is it just kind of ethereum salon
Speaker 7: a bitcoin or are there a bunch you're playing on?
Speaker 8: I mean, I know you I mean I've had at
Speaker 8: one point I do a lot of trading. In the
Speaker 8: cycle of like twenty say eighteen to twenty one, I
Speaker 8: was trading a lot, and we did pretty good with that.
Speaker 3: I mean we we didn't.
Speaker 8: I would say we we definitely had a lot more
Speaker 8: gains that we had in terms of bad trades and losses.
Speaker 8: I had one bad trade, but that was a significant amount,
Speaker 8: about forty thousand dollars, But I mean most of the
Speaker 8: gains were, you know, far exceeded that. So I would say,
Speaker 8: you know, at different times I held a pretty significant
Speaker 8: amount of phantom. You know, I've played around on the
Speaker 8: Phantom chain, like I think you guys are on Phantom right,
Speaker 8: And I mean, yeah, ethereum mainly because of in the past,
Speaker 8: not so much nowadays, but because I get paid in ethereum.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean I played around on base. I
Speaker 8: mean I had almost had if I had kept Boomer,
Speaker 8: I would have done pretty good with Boomer on base.
Speaker 3: I was an idiot.
Speaker 8: I sold Boomer too. It wouldn't have been as much
Speaker 8: as the peanut. But but yeah, I mean, I'm I'm
Speaker 8: open to a lot of that. It's just that, uh,
Speaker 8: you know, I watched the you know, deck screener and
Speaker 8: try to play around a little bit with like the
Speaker 8: Solana stuff. But you know, I only have so much
Speaker 8: time in the day, so that's smaller amounts of money.
Speaker 8: I don't really put a whole lot of time and
Speaker 8: focused into that. And uh, you know, you guys have
Speaker 8: been very generous. I do appreciate you know, you guys's
Speaker 8: uh support and the tin hat caw you've given uh
Speaker 8: And I wish I hadn't sold it.
Speaker 3: I had to pay a bill though. We had a
Speaker 3: couple of things come up here in terms of damage.
Speaker 8: We had some damage to my house in terms of
Speaker 8: the basement, so I had to pay to have a
Speaker 8: humidifier put in the basement.
Speaker 3: So at one point, but I would have had I.
Speaker 8: Missed out on like a four X if I hadn't
Speaker 8: sold you guys, But you did help pay for my humidifire,
Speaker 8: So thank you.
Speaker 7: No topic, we had a guy or one of our
Speaker 7: video guys are awesome conspiracy based video content. I know
Speaker 7: he does a lot of podcasts on the side, has
Speaker 7: a merch company.
Speaker 6: But I gave him a bag of THHD a while
Speaker 6: ago just to help.
Speaker 7: Do some content and stuff, and he sent me a
Speaker 7: DM during that hurricane that was going on down to Florida,
Speaker 7: and he was like, dude, I'm so sorry I had
Speaker 7: to sell, but like, thank you, thank God, Like you
Speaker 7: guys kept us going through this, Like you're right, that's
Speaker 7: the reason that we're still going.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think I think in total when I sold,
Speaker 8: I think you guys between the two, I mean, it
Speaker 8: was about fourteen hundred dollars you guys sent, which is
Speaker 8: pretty crazy total.
Speaker 6: And that's just purely just communities.
Speaker 3: I mean the community exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Now that is kind of the the one thing
Speaker 7: that we kind of pride ourselves on being a coin
Speaker 7: in this space. We don't pay KOLs, don't do any
Speaker 7: paid marketing, don't do any stuff like that. It's really
Speaker 7: just trying to get the community movement. Now that touches
Speaker 7: into mere AD's cult thesis, yess yeah, yeah, So I
Speaker 7: want to get your thoughts on good and bad cults.
Speaker 7: Is there any validity too that there are good and
Speaker 7: bad cults?
Speaker 8: Well, cult just as you know, derivative of the term
Speaker 8: cultus and so it relates to the notion of a
Speaker 8: you know, unified community in some way worshiping h so
Speaker 8: you know, ultimately worth owis Christianity for me is is
Speaker 8: kind of my true cult, so to speak. But yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean, colt can obviously have negative connotations of like
Speaker 8: Jim Jones and mind control and all that, So it
Speaker 8: really just depends on the context. But I think the
Speaker 8: sense I mean in his lecture is what's interesting is
Speaker 8: that he said, as he actually says, because religion is dying,
Speaker 8: mean coins can become a kind of replacement religion.
Speaker 3: That to me, that's too far.
Speaker 8: I mean, he may be correct and that actually happening,
Speaker 8: but I wouldn't go that far. I think that's going
Speaker 8: too far. But I think that the way that humans operate,
Speaker 8: he's correct, And I mean, really, what you guys are doing,
Speaker 8: or anyone else in the space is doing, it's no
Speaker 8: different than what like any any entity or corporation or
Speaker 8: even you know, a person with a following does is
Speaker 8: like you, you kind of generate a community.
Speaker 3: That's all it is, and that's healthy.
Speaker 8: There's nothing inherently wrong with that. No, there's nothing wrong
Speaker 8: with different niches and communities.
Speaker 3: And I mean my audience, like.
Speaker 8: We have a lot of fun with our own kind
Speaker 8: of language, our own inside jokes, our own memes.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 8: So this is just kind of natural, I think for
Speaker 8: anybody out there in the way the Internet works today,
Speaker 8: and is probably more true as Marod says, for like
Speaker 8: the younger people. I don't know if I would want
Speaker 8: to say that memes are going to be religions. So
Speaker 8: but but I mean he maybe write them that made
Speaker 8: me actually where they go.
Speaker 7: You know, there's a just a statement alone scares me
Speaker 7: a bit. I come, my grow up is kind of
Speaker 7: anti religion. And at the point now where I have
Speaker 7: this feeling of society's fallen apart. The more we society
Speaker 7: has gotten away from religion. Now, I'm not really sure
Speaker 7: where I sit in in the whole belief structure of everything.
Speaker 7: I have had some crazy trips where I sit there
Speaker 7: and go, yeah, there's something fucking else going on to
Speaker 7: all this. I definitely don't don't understand everything. But then
Speaker 7: there's there's aspects of of all the books that they're
Speaker 7: just interesting. There's still that part of me that goes
Speaker 7: to religious books. Yeah, religious books. At what point where
Speaker 7: there books hidden or like not written something? The Bible,
Speaker 7: for instance, I love to talk about the Book of
Speaker 7: Enoch not being included in the Bible, and that those
Speaker 7: pages exist in the Ethiopian Christian Bible, but they don't
Speaker 7: exist in the King jamesbit.
Speaker 8: Well for the Orthodox charges for example, I think we
Speaker 8: don't have any so since we're not like Protestant solar
Speaker 8: scripture advocates, meaning that we don't think that the Bible
Speaker 8: alone is the source of you know, faith in revelation
Speaker 8: and so forth, because we also believe in tradition outside
Speaker 8: of the Bible.
Speaker 3: Because Jude cites the Book.
Speaker 8: Of Enich, I think in the Orthodox tradition we would
Speaker 8: have no problems saying that the Book of Jude even
Speaker 8: though it's not in the canon proper, it does include
Speaker 8: true revelation and true divine tradition, so it's very compatible
Speaker 8: with Orthodox Christianity. And even some of the Slavic Bibles
Speaker 8: include the Book of Enich even though it's not in
Speaker 8: the quote canon proper.
Speaker 3: So Orthodoxy Jan I think is unique in that regard.
Speaker 7: Interesting, Okay, now, I know Book of Enoch leads into
Speaker 7: a lot of today's current alien beliefs.
Speaker 6: A lot of shit going on in the news lately, uh, with.
Speaker 7: People coming out, whistleblowers videos, Where are you at with aliens?
Speaker 6: Project Bluebeam? What's going on these days? Are they here?
Speaker 6: Are they real? Are we getting played?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I mean I tend to favor the psyop thesis for
Speaker 8: the whole alien genre as a whole. I do admit that,
Speaker 8: you know, there can be demonic aspects to the phenomena.
Speaker 8: There's a good book on this by Sarah from Rose
Speaker 8: called Orthodoxy in the Religion the Future, where he talks
Speaker 8: about some of the manifestations of the alien phenomena. But
Speaker 8: I think that largely what's going on with a lot
Speaker 8: of the so called whistleblowers and these you know, government
Speaker 8: hearings and all this is really to actually foster a
Speaker 8: narrative that the deep state itself wants for religious engineering
Speaker 8: to kind of retool and retinker with, to tinker with
Speaker 8: the Western tradition itself. I think they would like to
Speaker 8: see the religion of the future move away from anything
Speaker 8: remotely connected to know, the founding documents Western civilization, including
Speaker 8: the Bible. So they want to move in the direction
Speaker 8: of things that they control that are very amenable to technocracy,
Speaker 8: and certainly the neo Darwinian alien panspermia theory all kind
Speaker 8: of works together with the alien jibber jabber, and I
Speaker 8: think the whole history of the alien stuff. If you
Speaker 8: go and watch my interviews that I've done with Paul
Speaker 8: and Philip Collins, the Collins Brothers, they've written a really
Speaker 8: good book on this called Invoking the Beyond, where they
Speaker 8: argue that largely what's going on is an intentional deep
Speaker 8: state foisted narrative. Going back to like MJ twelve, going
Speaker 8: back to Project Blue Book, I do think Project Blue
Speaker 8: Beam is a real thing, Like there is a real
Speaker 8: potentiality for you know, holograms and staged alien stuff. Absolutely,
Speaker 8: but I would say also people should watch the famous
Speaker 8: documentary Mirage Men. That's a good window into how intelligence
Speaker 8: uses the alien narrative and all this stuff to really again,
Speaker 8: I think craft a future ideology that's amenable to technocracy ultimately.
Speaker 8: But that's not to say that on a personal level
Speaker 8: people don't have these experiences. I think that a lot
Speaker 8: of those experiences, if you look at ritual abuse, SRA,
Speaker 8: this kind of stuff, you'll find overlap with this so
Speaker 8: called alien experiences.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, is.
Speaker 7: This going to have any play in with I seen
Speaker 7: you share an arcicle yesterday of the day before Henry
Speaker 7: Kissinger or something about superhumans.
Speaker 3: I mean it could.
Speaker 8: I think that, you know, definitely, transhumanism ties into the
Speaker 8: alien narrative and the Cause Brothers actually touch on that
Speaker 8: quite a bit in that book, So there is an
Speaker 8: overlap there. There's a lot of times people will say, well,
Speaker 8: you know, if you accept kind of the big Bang
Speaker 8: Darwinian theory, the theses, then it stands to reason that
Speaker 8: we are not special, and we're not you know, alone
Speaker 8: in the universe, because the universe is infinite, aon's old
Speaker 8: or whatever.
Speaker 3: Then there were.
Speaker 8: There's most likely life evolving in other planets, and most
Speaker 8: likely they're more advanced. And so that's the logic that
Speaker 8: that train of thought goes down.
Speaker 3: And if you follow that, I think that I think
Speaker 3: it leads a lot.
Speaker 6: But that don't think of Richard Dawkins train of thought.
Speaker 8: Oh actually he says this. Yeah, Dawkins famously famously is well.
Speaker 2: I do believe in the possibility of aliens, you see,
Speaker 2: and that's more than god.
Speaker 6: It's so dark to listen to him. I tried it
Speaker 6: so dark.
Speaker 8: Well, I think Dawkins is a good example of what
Speaker 8: we're talking about. Don't know if he may have commented
Speaker 8: on transhumanism at some point, but he definitely has commented
Speaker 8: on the compatibility with you know, the strict Darwinian dogma
Speaker 8: and aliens. And again, you know, if you accept that
Speaker 8: evolutionary theory thesis, then most of those proponents also kind
Speaker 8: of project that, well, we will be therefore evolving into
Speaker 8: the future. I don't know why they always assume it's
Speaker 8: evolving and not devolving. I mean, there's no law that
Speaker 8: says that if you believe in this, it has to
Speaker 8: be a progressive evolution. It might be a progressive evolution.
Speaker 8: I mean, maybe we're getting worse. Maybe we're getting dumber
Speaker 8: if that whole worldview is true. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 8: transhumanism kind of fits into that because if we are evolving,
Speaker 8: then it stands to reason in their view, that only
Speaker 8: by uniting ourselves with AI and technology could we then
Speaker 8: evolve to become you know, Marvel superhero gods.
Speaker 7: Think I want to ask, how prevalent do you think
Speaker 7: Satanism is in today's society now? I say this because
Speaker 7: I've been recently watching a little Netflix series.
Speaker 6: Kind of from the Satanic panic days that metal rock days.
Speaker 7: I grew up on classic rock, grew up listening to
Speaker 7: Ozzy Osbourne, grew up kind of as a kid thinking
Speaker 7: that like he was the Satanist, you know. Being older
Speaker 7: now and having listened to the lyrics and everything, very
Speaker 7: much feel differently about that. I feel like his song
Speaker 7: about Aleister Crowley is a very interesting, like kind of
Speaker 7: call out of Crowley.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think a lot of people.
Speaker 8: Thought was quote satanic in the eighties, and that was
Speaker 8: kind of corny, cheeseball stuff that for the most part
Speaker 8: was theatrics and probably wasn't that sincere.
Speaker 3: However, some of the cases.
Speaker 8: Maybe not the rock bands, but like the McMartin preschool case.
Speaker 8: I mean it was declassified by the FBI that they
Speaker 8: really were tunnels underneath the preschool, and some of the
Speaker 8: other cases that were adjacent to or related to the
Speaker 8: Satanic panic actually did turn out to be real cases
Speaker 8: of SRA. So you can look up the Franklin scandal.
Speaker 8: I've been on the podcast with the author of that
Speaker 8: book from my publisher, Nick Bryant, Franklin Cover Up. You know,
Speaker 8: that's an example of a scandal at that time that
Speaker 8: did relate to actual Satanic ritual abuse, involving a lot
Speaker 8: of hype level GOP officials Nebraska politicians. If you go
Speaker 8: into the history of the cases of Satanic ritual abuse
Speaker 8: in the Roman Catholic Church going back to sixties, seventies,
Speaker 8: and eighties, there's plenty of cases.
Speaker 3: Of that where that was real.
Speaker 8: That was first detailed as far as I'm aware, both
Speaker 8: in Malachi Martin's books in the nineties and in the
Speaker 8: first journalistic book to cover in TOTO was when Kennedy's
Speaker 8: book Lucifer's Lodge, which came out in two thousand and three,
Speaker 8: and I was I mean, I got that book when
Speaker 8: it came out, So I've been reading about this, you know,
Speaker 8: for over twenty years now, so and I'm not trying
Speaker 8: to say like, oh, I'm an expert, but I mean
Speaker 8: you can go into even some of the serials, like
Speaker 8: for example, when Heraldo did his series that helped kick
Speaker 8: off Satanic Panic, he focused on a few of the
Speaker 8: serial killers, one of whom was Bobby Bardella. Well, Bobby
Speaker 8: Burdella actually was a Satanist. He really was into torturing
Speaker 8: and and he had a group of people that he
Speaker 8: called his Satanic Crew, and they seem to take it
Speaker 8: pretty seriously. The one of the most infamous serial killers
Speaker 8: was the.
Speaker 3: Toy box Killer. I think he's called he was a
Speaker 3: committed Satanist.
Speaker 8: So like some of the serial killers, and there's evidence
Speaker 8: actually that Dahmer was too, So there is some truth there.
Speaker 8: But then what happens is the people who wanted to
Speaker 8: debunk this came in and they actually satirized it and
Speaker 8: sensationalized it and made a lot of ridiculous stuff. For example,
Speaker 8: the one of the books from the Satanic Panic is
Speaker 8: Michelle Remembers And if you I've read the book, if
Speaker 8: you read it like it kind of starts out being
Speaker 8: plausible and then towards the end of the book, it
Speaker 8: just turns into these really outlandish, ridiculous claims that she's making,
Speaker 8: like like the devil shows up and dancing at their
Speaker 8: rituals or some something ridiculous, and that really discredits her.
Speaker 3: And then Martin Orne, who.
Speaker 8: Was the CIA literally a CIA founder of the False
Speaker 8: Memory Syndrome Foundation. The people who found the False Memory
Speaker 8: Syndrome Foundation to debunk all of the children claiming to
Speaker 8: have undergone ritual abuse are all from the CIA, and
Speaker 8: some of those people were arrested for being child prawn
Speaker 8: pushers themselves, and you can look that up.
Speaker 3: That's all on record. So I think there's truth and.
Speaker 8: Like exaggeration going on with the eighty Satanic panic. But
Speaker 8: as we fast forward to today, I mean, I think
Speaker 8: we have plenty of you know that you can find
Speaker 8: girls on TikTok being very candid about the fact that
Speaker 8: they see their abortions as actions of ritual offering. So
Speaker 8: they may not be theistic Satanists. They may be Wickens
Speaker 8: or whatever they think they are. Maybe they are said
Speaker 8: like like, it doesn't like it's manifesting as people acting
Speaker 8: on Satanic principles and Crolean types of principles, whether they
Speaker 8: themselves are explicitly ritual magician practicing you know, crole heites
Speaker 8: or not.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. Yeah, that's so interesting.
Speaker 7: It does feel like there's always fucking black magic going on,
Speaker 7: whether any of these shirts. I would just drove by
Speaker 7: the Taylor Swift is performing in Toronto. I just drove
Speaker 7: by the fucking craziness that's going on down here, and
Speaker 7: the colors and everything that's they got going on the
Speaker 7: light show. It just feels like there's a lot of
Speaker 7: symbolism that they like to use with these people.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's kind of what you know, my books focus
Speaker 8: on in terms of film in Hollywood, the meaning and
Speaker 8: the you know, the coding behind that symbolism. And my wife,
Speaker 8: she's got a couple of books that she did and
Speaker 8: those cover a lot of the pop stars. And yeah,
Speaker 8: I think there's I mean, like we've all seen this
Speaker 8: with Marina Bramovisch, right, I Mean you might have doubted
Speaker 8: this with like Katie Perry or whatever, but you know,
Speaker 8: Marina Bramovich is pretty explicit about her you know, witchcraft
Speaker 8: tendencies and worldview. So it should be it shouldn't really be,
Speaker 8: you know, in the realm of theory, it's pretty pretty
Speaker 8: factual now.
Speaker 7: I think that was one of the most interesting moments
Speaker 7: during the COVID times for me was what obviously Bill
Speaker 7: Gates becomes, you know, a very high head in the
Speaker 7: whole conspiracy aspect of COVID. But then while that's going on,
Speaker 7: Microsoft drops a four and a half minute advertisement featuring Ramovic.
Speaker 3: I did a video on.
Speaker 8: That, and they basically buried it like it wouldn't it
Speaker 8: wouldn't be shown.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's crazy to see.
Speaker 7: I mean Microsoft got rid of the advertisement right away,
Speaker 7: but like nothing ever came about that.
Speaker 6: I feel like that story comes with went to bed.
Speaker 7: And as you said, I guess they're putting away the
Speaker 7: content about it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think this is starting to break though.
Speaker 8: I mean a lot of even the younger generation, who
Speaker 8: you know, we criticize zoomers a lot, but like a
Speaker 8: lot of them are like they don't care about celebrities,
Speaker 8: which is interesting, you know, they don't care about this
Speaker 8: older model of like you know, like I'm supposed to
Speaker 8: give a shit with Madonna thinks, right, like in nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety eight, like you know, Madonna could talk about something,
Speaker 8: and that carried a lot of weight, and I think
Speaker 8: nobody cares about what these idiots, you know, pop stars are.
Speaker 3: Saying more and more.
Speaker 8: So that's a good sign that we're moving away from
Speaker 8: from that just mindless idea of like following these idiot celebrities.
Speaker 8: That was a huge stranglehold for so long, and the
Speaker 8: culture was, you know, people just deferring to these idiot celebrities,
Speaker 8: all of whom were obviously just kind of you know,
Speaker 8: tools of the left and basically socialism and degeneracy. So
Speaker 8: that's a good song. I mean, it's not all it's
Speaker 8: not all bad. People are getting tired of all this
Speaker 8: just gross stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's nice to see. I mean even my now,
Speaker 6: I don't know whether.
Speaker 7: It's a good thing or bad thing, because it feels
Speaker 7: like some of some of it's just the attention just
Speaker 7: goes to smaller people and now like my sister just
Speaker 7: gets all of her opinions from eighty different TikTokers.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's there's still issues because you know,
Speaker 8: TikTok's obviously some kind of like some kind of weird
Speaker 8: to advance my control thing. I don't understand it, but yeah,
Speaker 8: I want to. I mean, I still think overall this
Speaker 8: isn't net positive in terms of Twitter. I mean, I
Speaker 8: know there's a lot of criticism of well it's not.
Speaker 7: You know this, but look, I mean this is are
Speaker 7: you joining are you joining Blue Sky soon?
Speaker 8: I've just heard about that the other day from Jamie.
Speaker 3: I don't really know what it is, but I just heard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I heard it's woke Twitter. And if you say
Speaker 6: any thing, it's like your band in the day.
Speaker 3: I told Jamie that.
Speaker 8: I was like, well, if all the people who are
Speaker 8: mad at Twitter are leaving for that, it can't be good.
Speaker 3: It's got to be like woke Twitter.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, I want to get your thoughts on ghosts
Speaker 7: and paranormal shit.
Speaker 6: So, I mean ghost it's on category paranormal shit.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna call like abilities, whether that's like levitation, remote viewing.
Speaker 7: You hear about these kind of stories of the CIA
Speaker 7: studying kids with abilities, Yeah, you think about that.
Speaker 8: All those things are real. I mean the programs are
Speaker 8: real first and foremost. We've David Patrick, Harry and I've
Speaker 8: done a podcast, for example, on Project Stargate from the
Speaker 8: from SRI and Gateway process to CIA. So I mean
Speaker 8: all those things are real. You know, we've been covering
Speaker 8: those for a long time. I don't know how effective
Speaker 8: remote viewing is. I mean, it doesn't see it doesn't
Speaker 8: seem to be like super reliable, So it's not gonna
Speaker 8: be that great like in a you know, wartime or
Speaker 8: spon I setting. It's kind of a little bit reliable.
Speaker 8: So but it does seem like there's something there. People
Speaker 8: really are having some success with remote viewing, so I
Speaker 8: wouldn't be surprised in terms of you know, kind of
Speaker 8: sixth sensibilities going.
Speaker 3: On with people.
Speaker 8: I don't think there's like X men, you know, mutants
Speaker 8: that are evolving to be superhuman or anything gay like that.
Speaker 3: I think that's ridiculous.
Speaker 8: I do think there are spirits that are here, malevolent spirits, ghosts.
Speaker 8: I do kind of tend towards that that I don't
Speaker 8: I don't really understand how it works, because even in
Speaker 8: the Orthodox tradition, you know, we do have this idea
Speaker 8: that the the dead do kind of hang around for
Speaker 8: a little while, so and we that's the word the octures.
Speaker 3: We pray for the dead.
Speaker 8: So we do believe there is a connection between the
Speaker 8: living and the dead. How it all works we don't
Speaker 8: really know is kind of mysterious, but yeah, I do.
Speaker 8: I do tend to think that ghosts, Poultergeist, that kind
Speaker 8: of stuff is real.
Speaker 3: I don't have any set views on cryptids.
Speaker 8: I guess there could be, you know, some creatures and
Speaker 8: things that are real that we don't know about.
Speaker 3: I watched a lot of those kind of videos.
Speaker 8: For fun, you know, like Slaptad, slam Ham and James
Speaker 8: la Fleur and all.
Speaker 3: Those kind of channels for fun. But yeah, I'm open
Speaker 3: to those things.
Speaker 8: But I don't think that the EB like aliens coming
Speaker 8: to us from another planet.
Speaker 3: I don't believe in any of that stuff.
Speaker 8: Okay, I think anything like that is terrestrial. It's not
Speaker 8: you know, coming to us from Pliades or whatever.
Speaker 7: So I mean, I know flat earth coin was in
Speaker 7: the in the booth earlier here. If if the if
Speaker 7: you were to get away from Earth is the globe,
Speaker 7: let's let's just play with a different theory.
Speaker 6: Would you lean flat Earth or would you lean hollow Earth?
Speaker 3: Between those two, I would lean hollow.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 7: I do find like the whole Middle Ages, like you know,
Speaker 7: the Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit stories.
Speaker 6: I do find that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's fun to speculate with these kinds
Speaker 8: of theories.
Speaker 3: I'm familiar with, you know, the people arguing that, you know, Tolkien.
Speaker 8: Was Actually when we did our TV show, I remember
Speaker 8: there was an episode where I think Jay Wiener was
Speaker 8: the first to throw that idea at me, where he
Speaker 8: says something like his view about because we did an
Speaker 8: episode in Lord of the Rings and he was saying
Speaker 8: that he thought that Tolkien had stumbled across like old
Speaker 8: you know, Norse documents and things that actually told the
Speaker 8: real history about yeah, about there being like a Yeah,
Speaker 8: that was his kind of out there theory.
Speaker 3: Which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean I think that you know, actually,
Speaker 8: another thing that has always made me think that might
Speaker 8: be possible is Plato's dialogue Fayeto.
Speaker 3: Have you ever read that?
Speaker 8: If you read that, actually Socrates in there talks about
Speaker 8: dimensions and like going into the inner parts of the earth,
Speaker 8: and yeah, he speaks of it like there being like
Speaker 8: a whole other world and civilization.
Speaker 3: So he doesn't explicitly well.
Speaker 8: Actually I can't remember exact term he uses, but it's
Speaker 8: it's it seems something like that. So that to me
Speaker 8: seems plausible. I've looked at and listened to a lot
Speaker 8: of Flatters stuff. I just never really found it that convincing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Hollower is interesting to me because I remember
Speaker 7: hearing about even like the Nazi stuff in Antarctica.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: That brings up a story of some Air Force pilot
Speaker 7: who was going down there to check it out, and
Speaker 7: then he ended up flying down a hole and he
Speaker 7: talks about seeing a whole new world in the middle
Speaker 7: of the Earth.
Speaker 3: Well he didn't Bird say that? Or Bird says that too,
Speaker 3: about like when he goes over the ice.
Speaker 8: Wall he found a other civilization. Isn't that the story
Speaker 8: of atimal bird too?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Because a bird finds New Schwabland, right.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't I don't remember what? Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 7: I think it's something about Schwab Or he finds New Schwabland,
Speaker 7: which was the see Bass at the time, and that
Speaker 7: ties into Klaus Schwab and his family genealogy apparently. Okay,
Speaker 7: all right, I gotta I think you're right on most
Speaker 7: topics here we'll give.
Speaker 6: I want to give you something that we'll watch out
Speaker 6: play the last couple of years.
Speaker 7: This whole Diddy stuff, I feel like everybody, whether even
Speaker 7: my girlfriend you know, is reading all about the Diddy stories.
Speaker 7: How do you think this is going to play out?
Speaker 7: Is he screaming like a burden? There is this going
Speaker 7: to be like the Epstein situation where nothing ever happens.
Speaker 3: It's a good question.
Speaker 8: My suspicion is that he was probably in some way
Speaker 8: a compromised asset, going back to what early two thousands
Speaker 8: where he was first investigated by FBI, I think, is
Speaker 8: that right?
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember? You know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 6: And this goes back is that when that's for the
Speaker 6: Park and Biggie Murders.
Speaker 8: I don't remember what it was about, but he was
Speaker 8: in trouble initially and somewhere around two thousand and two
Speaker 8: or three, and I forget exactly what it was over,
Speaker 8: but the FBI was you know, looking into him or something,
Speaker 8: so he could he could have been compromised since then,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, and working for you know,
Speaker 8: different people at different levels to you know, basically do
Speaker 8: a mini Epstein for the music.
Speaker 3: Industry or something.
Speaker 8: And this kind of follows the model of what people
Speaker 8: have said about other you know, music industry moguls in
Speaker 8: the past. Too, So it seems to follow a pattern
Speaker 8: of what people say about the music industry.
Speaker 7: I walked a really interesting video yesterday that was from
Speaker 7: some independent journalists up here maybe putting the ties Trudeau
Speaker 7: with the Diddy stuff. So interesting and how Trudeau's wife
Speaker 7: has left him and this and that.
Speaker 3: Oh I saw somebody alleging.
Speaker 8: The problem is that it was like a not a
Speaker 8: very trustworthy profile on Twitter. But they were alleging a
Speaker 8: attendance of Trudeau at a Diddy party, which is not
Speaker 8: outside of the realm with you know, possibility. It seems
Speaker 8: very plausible because you know, he was partying with the
Speaker 8: Obamas and Beyonce, all kinds of people.
Speaker 7: Hey, I heard you do a pretty good Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 7: So I'd like to know what Jordan Peterson thinks of
Speaker 7: Justin Trudeau and how he's running Canada right now.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what's a nightmare. It's a fucking nightmare,
Speaker 3: you know, And if I was to start talking about it,
Speaker 3: I might just sort of crust.
Speaker 8: No, Actually, my my Peterson is actually one of my
Speaker 8: weakest impressions. I do about fifty I've got him all
Speaker 8: category catalog but made by Jim Bob. You should have
Speaker 8: him on. He does a way he does a perfect
Speaker 8: Jordan Peterson, he's the best before, but mind pails.
Speaker 3: The comparison is.
Speaker 6: It was a wild story to watch play out. To
Speaker 6: see his fame. I mean he taught a couple of
Speaker 6: my cousins.
Speaker 3: Oh well, uh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is all local. To see the way he
Speaker 7: got fired and then his blow crazy story, crazy story.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I've never I've never had a I've never hated Peter.
Speaker 8: I've always kind of liked him overall. I mean I've
Speaker 8: had some criticisms about, you know, kind of the blind
Speaker 8: spots and like certain areas of uh my first big
Speaker 8: criticism was the classical liberal phase that he was in,
Speaker 8: and I made a video about seven years ago critical
Speaker 8: of that.
Speaker 3: And that was prior to Pagoe Jonathan Pagoe.
Speaker 8: You know, kind of getting close to Peterson, and then
Speaker 8: they linked up, and Pajoe and I didn't really initially
Speaker 8: get along that well, but we've we've come to get
Speaker 8: along good.
Speaker 3: We got to where we get along pretty good.
Speaker 8: We did an interview a couple of years ago that
Speaker 8: was pretty good interview, I think, and uh.
Speaker 3: So, you know that's been a positive influence.
Speaker 8: I would say Peterson's definitely moved further away from the
Speaker 8: classical liberal stuff, which he's very critical of.
Speaker 3: Now they're they're openly critical of the Enlightenment.
Speaker 8: So I like to see them moving in that direction,
Speaker 8: and I think, you know, I'm happy for the influence
Speaker 8: that Pego has had for sure on Peterson. But yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean it's going to be interesting to see where
Speaker 8: that goes and how that plays out. I mean, I
Speaker 8: thought he did really good in the Matt dill Huinty debate.
Speaker 8: I just wish he had gone a little bit harder
Speaker 8: because he could have really crushed him.
Speaker 3: In about the middle of that debate with he was
Speaker 3: using a kind of.
Speaker 8: A transcendent argument. He did pretty good against Dawkins. I
Speaker 8: could he could have gone a little bit stronger.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so.
Speaker 6: This year is the debate staged kind of your go
Speaker 6: to right.
Speaker 3: Now, Actually not really. I mean I most enjoy doing
Speaker 3: kind of the comedic stuff. I think the highlight of
Speaker 3: the year for me.
Speaker 8: Was going on Sam Hys podcast. I was kind of
Speaker 8: a thing I was looking forward to from any years.
Speaker 8: I didn't think that was actually gonna happen, so so
Speaker 8: that's what I kind of enjoy.
Speaker 3: The most.
Speaker 8: I've had a lot of fun doing a lot of these,
Speaker 8: you know, stupid songs that I make up on the fly.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of fun.
Speaker 8: So that I get the most joy out of doing
Speaker 8: the comedic kind of just wild live streams. People really
Speaker 8: like the debates and I get a lot of support
Speaker 8: from that, so I don't mind doing it, but it's
Speaker 8: not actually my favorite thing to do.
Speaker 6: Now I think this is a good chance. Actually, I
Speaker 6: know you stream on a bunch of different platforms. You
Speaker 6: mentioned rock Finn earlier.
Speaker 7: For those of us that are just so buried on
Speaker 7: Twitter to get our conspiracy content, you kind of have
Speaker 7: to go to these other platforms exactly because you sit
Speaker 7: down and whatnot.
Speaker 6: Can you give us some where where would you find you?
Speaker 1: Where?
Speaker 6: Where are you streaming your stuff to?
Speaker 8: Well, I've amazingly, miraculously have always been able to thank God,
Speaker 8: to still be on YouTube, so I'm always there. I
Speaker 8: don't obviously post kind of the spicier stuff there. That's
Speaker 8: a lot of times for like members and stuff, because
Speaker 8: I have a members section and all that. We've done
Speaker 8: that for about ten years. But yeah, I am on
Speaker 8: rock fin and I'm a big fan of rock fan
Speaker 8: because first of all, they've been really good to me.
Speaker 8: They've been a huge supporter for about three maybe four
Speaker 8: years now. They were really i think innovating in terms
Speaker 8: of you know, paying people in crypto and moving in
Speaker 8: that direction.
Speaker 3: I think that was a good move.
Speaker 8: And that that helped me, I think a lot in
Speaker 8: terms of just even learning, you know, the mechanics of
Speaker 8: a lot of stuff with crypto, just because they i mean,
Speaker 8: if they pay you in crypto, you're kind of like
Speaker 8: forced to, like, you know, learn all that element in
Speaker 8: that side of stuff because I wasn't really into ethereum
Speaker 8: and learning about and understanding how all the DEXes work
Speaker 8: and all that even when I was into crypto, until
Speaker 8: you know, okay, well now you have to be involved
Speaker 8: in it because they're paying you in a crypto built
Speaker 8: on ethereum. So so yeah, I'm always on rock Fin,
Speaker 8: and I think they have a great model because it's
Speaker 8: it's kind of like Netflix, except that when you subscribe
Speaker 8: to the members content on the Netflix, on rock Fin,
Speaker 8: you get access to everybody. So they have this unique
Speaker 8: model of like you pay fifteen dollars or whatever and
Speaker 8: you get everybody's paid content. So and they're pretty good
Speaker 8: about like free speech over there. So I'm a big
Speaker 8: fan of Rock I think we you know, I kind
Speaker 8: of linked up with rock Fan before there was Rumble
Speaker 8: popping off, so I never really I had some Rumble
Speaker 8: people reach out a couple times and when I talked
Speaker 8: with them, but the situation that I had with rock
Speaker 8: Fan was just so much superior to kind of what
Speaker 8: Rumble could offer. And I'm not anti Rumble, like I
Speaker 8: still have a lot of content stuff over on Rumble,
Speaker 8: it's just I'm not There are a lot of long
Speaker 8: story short I put most of my time into YouTube
Speaker 8: and Twitter and rock Fin and then I'm also on
Speaker 8: Instagram quite a bit, and I do have a TikTok,
Speaker 8: but I keep every time I put up so I
Speaker 8: get a strike. And so since I built up five
Speaker 8: thousand followers on TikTok, I have two strikes and I'm
Speaker 8: waiting for those.
Speaker 3: To go away. So I don't really I'm not really
Speaker 3: putting much.
Speaker 8: Stuff, but I find that really the only thing I
Speaker 8: can get away with on TikTok is like clips of
Speaker 8: religious debates, So it's like that's it. Like anything else
Speaker 8: I put up immediately gets a community violation.
Speaker 3: So it's just super annoying.
Speaker 8: I've always hated TikTok, but and even though I'm kind
Speaker 8: of shadow banded on Instagram, I can still get away
Speaker 8: with quite a bit over there too.
Speaker 3: So anyway, those are places to define me.
Speaker 8: All the fourth hours that I've done of Alex over
Speaker 8: the last four years, those are all on bandout Video.
Speaker 8: Most of that's also migrated to Twitter and rock Finn too,
Speaker 8: so so yeah, you can find me at these place.
Speaker 8: Also at my website, jason Alsis dot COM's all the
Speaker 8: archive material, so yeah, that's where you can find me.
Speaker 6: Are you ever doing any Twitter streams like live Twitter streams?
Speaker 7: I know, I just know X is getting bigger, like
Speaker 7: Elon has been pushing the video platform.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying.
Speaker 8: So I tried a little bit, and I was using
Speaker 8: stream labs to multi stream, and it was just kept
Speaker 8: being a big hassle. And I noticed that if I
Speaker 8: live stream to Twitter, I actually get less views than
Speaker 8: if I just post the entire video to Twitter.
Speaker 6: Oh it's so interesting.
Speaker 8: At this stage, there's not really much of an advantage
Speaker 8: for me. It's actually a disadvantage to try to multi stream.
Speaker 7: I'll understand that. Okay, my last question for you don't
Speaker 7: want to take any more of your time. When a
Speaker 7: world event happens, where are you going to get your
Speaker 7: news and how are you discerning it?
Speaker 3: You know, I.
Speaker 8: Usually follow the model of checking a lot of different
Speaker 8: sources because I want to see even what the mainstream
Speaker 8: is saying. So I'm going to look up like a
Speaker 8: lot of the alternative news sites. I'll check info Wars,
Speaker 8: I'll check even mainstream stuff like Drudge. I mean, I
Speaker 8: know it's terrible, but I want to see what the
Speaker 8: narrative of the establishment is.
Speaker 3: So I go there.
Speaker 8: I will obviously check Twitter, what's trending, I'll check all
Speaker 8: the different you know, latest videos. And I remember, like
Speaker 8: you said, like it's burned into my mind in March
Speaker 8: of twenty twenty, looking at all of those viral videos
Speaker 8: of the people collapsing in China, you know what I mean,
Speaker 8: Like and thinking looking back on that as like that's
Speaker 8: all probably a much a bullshit, that's probably all fake,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, why was there from covid? I meant I.
Speaker 8: Got the flu or whatever they was saying was quote
Speaker 8: covid during the and I didn't fall over and pass
Speaker 8: out like some thirty pound Asian dude.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I don't know what that was.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean I'm gonna be checking you know,
Speaker 8: obviously Twitter and places like that.
Speaker 3: Telegram, I do use Telegram.
Speaker 8: I forgot about Telegram drives me crazy because I don't
Speaker 8: know how I like, I've had the same five thousand
Speaker 8: followers on Telegram for like a year, so it never grows.
Speaker 8: I don't know what the secret is to that. I
Speaker 8: just I post shit on there and I just kind
Speaker 8: of ignore it. I also can't stand the layout of Telegram.
Speaker 8: It gets on nurse, but I guess it's necessary to
Speaker 8: have all these things. But also Telegram does have some
Speaker 8: good channels for news and information that are not, you know,
Speaker 8: us censored.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've also noticed this. It's probably all you guys
Speaker 3: are way ahead of me on this, but.
Speaker 8: I've noticed that yandex actually is Google from twenty fourteen.
Speaker 8: So everything that you looked up and you wanted to find,
Speaker 8: like even like obscure conspiracy blogs and websites, if you
Speaker 8: use yandex, it's exactly what Google used to be in
Speaker 8: like twenty fourteen. You're just breaking news to me. I've
Speaker 8: never heard of this. Yeah, it's like it's a Russian
Speaker 8: search engine that basically doesn't sensor, so it's one of
Speaker 8: their bigger search engines.
Speaker 3: It's better than Doug dug O. Doug dug O sucks,
Speaker 3: but yandex Worth Well, okay, good to know.
Speaker 6: This is this is this is world changing here, folks.
Speaker 8: Well, it's huge for like research, right because like if
Speaker 8: you remembered a bunch of articles or papers or essays
Speaker 8: you know from like twenty ten, twenty two thousand and
Speaker 8: eight that you can't find anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean Google is tweaked to not let you find
Speaker 3: that shit on purpose, you know.
Speaker 6: Oh it's crazy. Oh, I appreciate this all right. I
Speaker 6: know you got a new book. We got what's it
Speaker 6: called here?
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's kind of like a collection of all of
Speaker 8: the blog posts for about ten years for the most part.
Speaker 8: Now it's all the blog posts that aren't the Hollywood
Speaker 8: movies because the Hollywood analyzes those are all in ESWODEARK
Speaker 8: Hollywood one and two.
Speaker 3: So those are separate books that came out several years ago.
Speaker 8: But yeah, that's the most recent book that I've been
Speaker 8: pushing for the last year, and it's just kind of
Speaker 8: a way to keep and save all the things that
Speaker 8: I wrote for about ten years, because in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 8: my whole website got.
Speaker 3: Deleted by WordPress.
Speaker 8: So I was censored and deleted because I was covering
Speaker 8: controversial topics. I was deleted the same hour that Alex
Speaker 8: was banned from everything, which is interesting because I wasn't
Speaker 8: associated with Alex in twenty eighteen, but I was classed
Speaker 8: in with that category, and so they just kind of
Speaker 8: did a sweeping delete of of a bunch of people.
Speaker 8: So I had to rebuild, you know, do everything kind
Speaker 8: of from the ground up, build a new website and everything.
Speaker 8: So that's just all that is is those essays about theology, philosophy, deal, politics,
Speaker 8: and some other topics. But I'm working on Star Hollywood
Speaker 8: Part three right now, so that'll be the completion of
Speaker 8: the trilogy of the Hollywood books. So I've got a
Speaker 8: little over around three hundred pages, so I'm trying to
Speaker 8: write the last one hundred pages in the next couple
Speaker 8: of months.
Speaker 7: Epic comedian podcaster, author Jay Dyer, Dude, I really appreciate
Speaker 7: your time.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for coming on here.
Speaker 8: Thank you guys so much for being supporters and for
Speaker 8: the donations, and really cool. Really appreciate you guys, and
Speaker 8: keep up, keep up that Matt Hatter crazy ten full
Speaker 8: Hatter ethos you got going.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll do man. I really appreciate you coming on here.
Speaker 7: The idea is to kind of keep doing these. Yeah, obviously,
Speaker 7: take break anytime. Take an inspiration from you, guys. I
Speaker 7: am looking at kind of getting more video platform the
Speaker 7: YouTube's and the and the other platforms coming.
Speaker 8: I'm about to go live by the way, if anybody
Speaker 8: wants to, I'm gonna do a breakdown of the We
Speaker 8: do a lot of movie breakdowns, so if anybody saw
Speaker 8: that movie Herotic, I thought that was pretty good. We're
Speaker 8: gonna do a breakdown of that pretty soon here on
Speaker 8: my channel.
Speaker 7: Love it all right, folks, let's get over to Jay's
Speaker 7: channel and watch that, ladies and gents, Chris, was Kyle
Speaker 7: Levis your favorite ten fold realist not Theorist? Episode seven
Speaker 7: of Sonic Shadows with Jay Dyer. Jay, thanks again, appreciate
Speaker 7: this big time.
Speaker 3: Bro any time.
Speaker 6: Thanks all right, man, we'll talk again.