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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, what is going on?

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Speaker 2: Got lord of this is your favorite tinfoil realist, not theorist.

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We got a doozy here today, folks. Uh. Jay Dyer,

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comedian podcaster. He's gonna be coming into the room in

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about ten minutes. Uh, this is an exciting space, folks.

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I'm super excited that I've done the rabbit hole with Jay.

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Speaker 1: Uh. This is a guy who I mean, if.

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Speaker 2: You're a if you're a tinfoiler, you probably watched some

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Jay dire content. And yeah, just excited to pick his brain.

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I'm intrigued to know his crypto story, his bitcoin story.

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Speaker 1: I am really.

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Speaker 2: Intrigued to this is again I look at him kind

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of as, uh, this is our first space from an

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outside of perspective. I know he's got bitcoin, he's got crypto,

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he told THHC. But this is a good opportunity to

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find out, you know, how'd you find bitcoin, how'd you

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find crypto? What are you looking at in the industry

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these days? I kind of want to get his thoughts

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on Trump and Trump's crypto policies, where that's heading.

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Speaker 1: Uh, We're gonna find out just kind of a little

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bit about him. What he's doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm super intrigued to know what life was like during

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the COVID times for some of these content creators. I

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know myself personally, I was doing the content creation during

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those days. I had a decent little following on the

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YouTube right as the COVID stuff had started. You know,

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the idea was, wait, this just came from a bat

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or did it come potentially from this lab that's right

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there in the same area. Uh, you weren't allowed to

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talk about that.

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Speaker 3: Originally.

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Speaker 1: That led to insta bands, instad deletes.

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Speaker 2: It was not a good not a good way to

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grow an audience on any of those platforms. So I

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I lost my Facebook, I lost my YouTube, I lost

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Twitter ten different times. Thank god Elon finally bought Twitter.

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I would love to see him by a video platform.

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But I mean, you look at Twitter, seems to be

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the place of growing in terms of videos. I'll be

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looking at doing some kind of video platform soon. I'd

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really like to get into doing the video streams again.

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It's just super personal when you get to kind of

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see what's going on. Oh, ladies and justice is an

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exciting one. Let's talk about Crypto for a second. Conspiracy

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the conspiracy meta. I'm gonna keep fucking pushing this by

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the conspiracy coins, folks. I've got my little list, I've

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posted my list a bunch, I've showed this. New one's

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popping up every day. I'm in a group chat to

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see flat Earth in here. I'm in a group chat

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with a bunch of these conspiracy coins, and yeah, we're

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fucking vibing together. I love all the spaces that are

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getting hosted flat I hate you because you just happened

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to I don't know what your time zone is, but

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it's not the same as mine.

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Speaker 1: You keep having.

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Speaker 2: Spaces right in the middle of my workday. But I

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excited to get to chatting with those guys more. Dude,

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the conspiracy matters booming. Just took a little look at

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my list today. Noticed I fucking missed one so hard

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a Woke. It's token called a woke on Solana. I

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think I put it on my list at maybe two

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million market cap. As of right now, it's sitting at

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thirty seven point nine million market cap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Originally, when I've made my list, TC tonight cat was

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the number one conspiracy token in terms of market cap,

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but a Woke has went fucking flying. Oh no, it's

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not on Solana, it's not a Theorial, It's in a

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Theeum conspiracy coin. So yeah, i't thirty seven and a

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half million of eight one hundred and eighty six percent today.

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The next one I've been watching is Restore the Republic

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the RTR.

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Speaker 1: That's a salonic coin.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't really call that a conspiracy coin. It's more

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of a I'll call it a politifi coin. Just but

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because there's such a conspiracy movement and momentum behind Trump,

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you know, the whole Restore the Republic, that's probably a

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say that we got ten acat. We're sitting at thirty

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cents right now. A couple couple of Jeters went on,

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I've seen somebody fucking clip twenty grand this morning. That

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sent us down a little bit, but fucking.

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Speaker 1: Dip getting bought. We've been grinding our way back.

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Speaker 2: Up thirty cents.

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Speaker 1: God Sonic is coming soon, folks.

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Speaker 2: The Deason the date the migration is getting I'm in

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a big migration group now, of all the projects that

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Speaker 1: Heros involved in folks. Things are cooking. It sounds like

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Sonic is coming soon. Oh I'm excited. Uh, let me

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get back to the Twitter for a second.

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Speaker 2: Oh, let's get let's get flatters up here for a second.

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Speaker 1: We got we got a few minutes before. Oh we

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got chudd in here too. What's going on? Chud?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: So boys, we got a couple of minutes before Jay

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Speaker 2: So speak what's up?

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Speaker 1: Man? No?

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Speaker 5: I just I knew. I knew you guys were really

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excited about the Info Wars guy, you know, joining and

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that's just super. I wanted to pop in and see

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what was going on.

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Speaker 1: What do I gotta do here?

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Speaker 3: Sorry?

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Speaker 6: Let me just adjust my settings here. I'm hearing you.

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Can you guys hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yep?

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Speaker 6: Loud and clear now, Sarah, I'd think I just have

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're Your audio quality just got like ten times better.

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Speaker 6: Oh beautiful.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Speaking of conspiracies, you know there there's been chatter

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around uh Sonic being delayed. Have you guys do you

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guys know anything about that?

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Speaker 7: Ooo? I from from a personal perspective, I have yet

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to hear this conspiracy. But from a personal perspective, I've

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never seen anybody have a successful Q four launch.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 7: Usually anybody that's aimed at a quarter four launch that

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always comes quarter one of the following year. So the

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idea of a quarter four launch here, I'm not exactly

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expecting it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just I've heard different things and like it

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might just be like fun or whatever, but.

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Speaker 7: You know, this could be yeah, this could be coming

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from Andre talking about ship too, I've seen he tweeted

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twenty twenty five under one of the Sonic Labs tweets.

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Speaker 5: Oh boy, well, okay, okay. With that said, I don't

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know if you guys remember I remember this, but when

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when Opera when the Sonic Cup Break went live on Opera,

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Andrea was surprised that it went live as early as

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Speaker 7: Interesting, So that's what I'm Andrea recently tweeted something about

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that Opera went live on the twenty seventh of December

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of whatever year that was, twenty seventeen, so there was

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inklings that it would be cool if you know, Sonic

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launched the same day as as Opera's previous launch. But yeah,

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it's funny you say that you're hearing things of it

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being delayed because just the fact that we haven't got

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a date yet. Leads me to believe it's not coming

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Speaker 5: So when when, Andrea? If he says twenty five, does

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that mean twenty twenty five or December twenty five?

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Speaker 6: Though, so he the tweet was twenty twenty five. Oh,

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he was just straight up saying twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: Dreames crust right there now.

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure if that was just you know, fucking

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around with the Sonic Labs marketing department or what that

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whole thing is about. But again, no, I've seen a

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fucking successful quarter for launch that usually gets pushed the

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quarter one so soon.

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Speaker 6: Wouldn't be surprised. Flat what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Brother?

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Speaker 6: I see you up in here.

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Speaker 4: Good evening, sir.

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Speaker 1: How goes it?

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Speaker 4: Life is very good.

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Speaker 3: It's good to hear your voice as well.

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Speaker 4: On the conspiracy fy on the Conspiritify spaces, we keep

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missing you. Yeah, we usually do it any but you're

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an American time zone.

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Speaker 1: But you have a job.

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Speaker 4: It's quit your job season, bro. You' supposed to quit

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your job.

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Speaker 1: This is what I keep hearing.

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Speaker 6: Apparently I'm not locking in enough.

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Speaker 4: You've got to quit the job.

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Speaker 6: No, I see, I learned from the twenty twenty one run.

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Speaker 7: As soon as I started taking screenshots, it did reach

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a point where I quit job twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 6: Quit job is like.

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Speaker 7: Right at Peko top, right at Peako top, quit job,

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and then all of a sudden coins that start crashing,

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the rush of Ukraine stuff pops off. Yeah, that was

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I learned from that one learned that you want to

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just keep putting money into crypto and not taking from

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your crypto.

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Speaker 5: Well you know, you know the cardinals, sims are taking

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screenshots of your portfolio or showing your portfolio balance to

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your significant other.

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Speaker 7: Ah See, I'm learning that when you want to take

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the screenshot is actually when you want to hit the

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Speaker 3: This is true.

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Speaker 4: If you're bragging about it, sell it. But it was

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good to have a w r X crypto. He joined

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the space on behalf the tin Hat cats.

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Speaker 6: That was good. That's awesome to hear.

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Speaker 7: W r X is our our resident news reporter. Yeah,

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he's doing an epic job for the Tinact team. Yeah,

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it's awesome. I really want to get Maybe I'll set

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one up on a weekend or something like that. Maybe

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we can entice you guys in on the weekend.

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Speaker 6: Have some fun.

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Speaker 4: Good do I mean, evening Tommy is good because you

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Speaker 6: I love here, well, folks. It is now eight o'clock.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure Jay is gonna be jumping up here a

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lines later for people to come jump up and ask

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questions for Jay. But folks, I'm gonna I'm gonna kick

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a couple of you from from the Speaker's rules. Appreciate

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you guys jumping up here before killing some time with me.

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Chut your legend, love the love the wars that you're

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Speaker 6: THC. It's nice to have, thanks to have somebody fighting

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Speaker 7: Up in here. Let's get you up on stage, sir.

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This is an exciting one, folks. Welcome to the stage

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comedian and podcaster Jay Dyer. I highly recommend just teching.

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Just look up Jay dire on YouTube. The content is incredible,

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whether it's the daily podcast listenings or the him being

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a guest as a podcaster on stuff, whether it's the

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work he's doing for Tucker's Network. There's a whole bunch

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of shit that Jay's got going on, real real fun.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 7: I'm not probably not gonna get him down the rabbit

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hole today, but if you're interested in religion at all,

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I swear to God, this has got to be the

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guy that you got to talk to constantly, having these

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like religious debates, talking people from all over the world,

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Speaker 6: Fuck, trying to get him up on stage here having

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Speaker 7: Figured this out, just a little bit of technical difficulties.

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big space. We got to have the technical difficulties. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Brother?

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Speaker 6: How are you? Hey?

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Speaker 1: Do?

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Speaker 3: What's up with you? Man?

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Speaker 7: I'm good, appreciate you jumping up here with us. It's

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a pleasure for me and an honor to have you

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kind of join us. We're the conspiracy coin in the

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in the crypto space.

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Speaker 6: We'd like to think that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we like to It's mascot season apparently in the

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crypto world, so we'd like to think that we're becoming

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the conspiracy mascot of the space.

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Speaker 6: But I do want to jump down some.

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Speaker 7: Rabbit holes with you, because, uh, I don't get to

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talk to somebody at your level of tinfoiler very often,

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and for myself, I mean I go by the moniker tinfoil.

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Speaker 3: Uh what level am I at?

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Speaker 8: I didn't know that like a level ninety nine, level

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sixty nine?

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Speaker 3: Thou like, what's the level on that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely like up in the sixty nines.

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Speaker 3: Uh, for sure.

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Speaker 6: There's there's there's.

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Speaker 7: Some rankings like there's we got you know, the Alex Jones.

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I gotta I gotta put like on the god the

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god tyr.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Yeah, he's at the top of the meme.

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Speaker 6: All right, Sam Tripley, I have to put way up

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on this list.

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Speaker 3: He's up there. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I want to get into you know, Sam, there's an

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awesome moment the Trump where every the whole fucking world

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is waiting on this Trump podcast to drop. On Rogan,

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everybody's going to Spotify waiting for this podcast to drop.

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Speaker 6: What does Rogan do?

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Speaker 7: He dropped the Sam Triplei Tinfoil hat uh episode with.

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Speaker 6: Him on the day that we're all waiting for Trump.

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Speaker 7: So the world tunes in to Sam Tripley taking everybody

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down the rabbit hole.

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Speaker 6: And at one point he brings up a gentleman named Jay.

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Speaker 3: Dyer and it was all by design, it was all planned.

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Speaker 6: Dude, beautiful. Yes, I want to get down that rabbit

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hole at some point.

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Speaker 7: The idea that you opened his eyes on British intelligence

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and that the British Empire never never died, that it

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only has grown and redefined borders in the Middle East.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that is so fucking interesting to me.

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Speaker 3: Well before we do that, though, you have to guess

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what this is?

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Speaker 7: He ready, Okay, that's a that's a Sam Tripley laugh.

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Speaker 8: That is Sam's laugh when you say something and he's

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not really paying attention and he's he's laughing out of kindness.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I just had to throw that in there.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 8: I love Sam Tripley, so I'm always impersonating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 7: It was funny to the wife, and I went and

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seen him this summer, actually very small small venue up

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in Toronto, sixty seater. Maybe my my wifey is Latina,

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a little bit loud, lapsed just a half a second

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longer than everybody else in the room.

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Speaker 6: All five openers for Sam just dialed in on her

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and just ripped her a new one.

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Speaker 7: And then Sam got up on stage and just had

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watched this whole thing play.

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Speaker 6: Out, and he went at both of us.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 6: One of one of the favorite, my favorite nights I've

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ever had. So let's get into you, sir. Let's talk

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me a bit of your background.

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Speaker 7: There's obviously a journey to to putting on the tinfoil hat.

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Speaker 6: Where are you from?

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Speaker 3: I'm from Tennessee.

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Speaker 8: So I'm from a really small town in West Tennessee

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outside Nashville. So I grew up in the South Bible

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Bell military dad and all that, and that took us

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to California, who was stationed in San Diego, so actually

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grew up out there for I guess my formative years,

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and then we ended up back in the South after

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that time period.

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Speaker 3: And I was kind of a party guy in high school.

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I was like.

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Speaker 8: A wild weed smoking party dude. And I was really

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into movies and the arts, so I was involved in

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theater and all that.

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Speaker 3: I'm heterosexual. I was not a theater kid. Everybody assumes

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you're automatically gay.

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Speaker 8: No, actually is a great place to meet girls because

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all the other dudes are gay, So you got like

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a a lot better chances with the theater girls.

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Speaker 6: But I took I took dance growing up, so I

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know about this.

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Speaker 3: Are you sure you're not gay?

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Speaker 7: I gotta I gotta got a little baby on the way.

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Speaker 1: Kay?

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Speaker 3: Is he her?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 6: We'll find out. I gotta wait for that one.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's funny when I thought Tripoly.

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Speaker 8: We saw him a lot too, my wife and not

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a few months ago in LA And the funniest part

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you said you were from Canada.

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Speaker 3: Like there was a small room that Sam did.

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Speaker 8: And it he just, for about twenty minutes straight, just

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went after all the Canadians. For some reason, there was

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like a giant troop of Canadians in LA that day,

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so the entire audience was Canadians and then me and

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my wife and Sam really impressed me because for twenty

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minutes straight, he just improv blasted and made fun of

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all the Canadians.

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Speaker 3: It was awesome anyway. Yeah, so.

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Speaker 8: Back to me, I mean, I was just kind of

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a wild party dude in high school and then I

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was really interested in film and went to college originally

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to study religion and philosophy, but I ended up taking

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quite a few film classes because that was just kind

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of a side interest I had. I always liked, you know,

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theater and doing comedic stuff, so I kind of had

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aspirations for that kind of stuff when I was younger.

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But in college I really just honed in on a

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lot of the more intellectual endeavors and got really deep

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into religious philosophy, geopolitics. I took a lot of courses

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that dealt with those fears as well. I was studying history,

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getting a separate degree in history, so it was a

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lot of academic stuff. But around that same time, this

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is maybe like around two thousand and two three, I

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stumbled across some of the more infamous I guess documentaries

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that were floating around at that time. There was some

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early stuff that Alex Jones did about Skull and Bones

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that I happened across in two thousand and two or three.

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He had done Bohemian grove stuff, so.

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Speaker 3: I watched that. I was already a little bit aware.

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Speaker 8: Of conspiracy stuff because I read a book in nineteen

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ninety eight about the United Nations and Freemasonry, so I

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kind of had the the seeds of conspiracy stuff in

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my head. And I liked movies that were somewhat conspiratorial,

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like Dick Donner's Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson. That was

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always a favorite of mine in high school. I like

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some other kind of you know, conspiracy adjacent stuff, kind

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of in the you know, drug culture and the hippie

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type of sphere. I was into some of that stuff,

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but eventually, like I said, it just became more of

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an academicus because for me, it was like, on the

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one hand, I'm studying all this philosophical stuff and then

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on the other hand, I'm studying a bunch of historical

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Hollywood stuff, and you wouldn't think the two domains meet.

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But what I found by the time I was doing

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my grad work was that no, actually, these these overlap perfectly,

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because Hollywood really becomes kind of a locust, kind of

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a nexus, you could say, of utilizing the techniques of

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mynd control and what's called the Velton Schanskrieg or worldview warfare,

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and honing that in to basically mind control people through film,

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through propaganda. So that's what I really focused on, and

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that led to what would ultimately come the topics of

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the first two books that I wrote on Hollywood.

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Speaker 6: Crazy. Yeah, the Hollywood shit is so interesting.

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Speaker 7: Television, television, the semantics just in the the words that

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we use, uh, is really interesting how that plays out.

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I find your history interesting because the idea that you

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come from the just give me a little bit of backstory.

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You come from the Bible Belt. Do you grow up

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with like like Christian or religious and then get into

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studying religion from that or do you kind of grow.

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Speaker 6: Up not religious and then you're trying to learn more

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about it.

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Speaker 3: So I grew up with.

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Speaker 8: Like a standard Baptist GOP family. So we were I

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mean medium level serious about Christianity. I mean we weren't like,

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we weren't there every Sunday, but we were, you know,

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pretty consistent going to church. Growing up, as I said,

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raised Southern Baptists, So you know, I was into it,

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I guess as a kid, as a.

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Speaker 3: Teenager, not so much.

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Speaker 8: In high school, I was just you know, Jason, girls

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and partying and having fun. And then I got a

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little more serious about that about age eighteen nineteen, kind

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of got back into that sphere of things.

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Speaker 3: Just again through a lot of.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, what, what cause was that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I.

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Speaker 8: Mean, I wouldn't a lot of times people have these stories,

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but I was tripping and I saw the double and

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then I fell.

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Speaker 3: Jesus bro It wasn't like that.

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Speaker 8: I did have a bad as the trip that kind

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of like provoked me to start thinking about deeper issues.

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So I'm not saying that the asked trip made me

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a Christian, because I was already kind of raised with

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that worldview, but it did kind of get me thinking

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about those bigger questions. And then a few years later,

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I was at college and I just, you know, chose.

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Speaker 3: I was I was gonna have to choose something to.

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Speaker 8: Major in, and everything was really unappealing, and the only

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thing that was was appealing that was appealing to me

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at the State University was philosophy. So that's what I chose,

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and it worked out well because you know, it overlapped

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with a lot of things. So the great thing about

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philosophy is that you can do a philosophy of anything. Yeah,

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you can do a philosophy of film, the philosophy of comedy,

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philosophy of you know whatever. So anyway, that's how I

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let into studying that stuff.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's cool.

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Speaker 7: So then how do you drink during COVID time? Let's

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go to COVID times? What's what's the COVID times?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 3: For you?

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Speaker 7: The virus drops. We were getting word that, you know,

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this is coming out of China. We're seeing the videos

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on Twitter out of China that this is starting.

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Speaker 6: What's your immediate reaction to that.

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Speaker 8: I would say since about twenty thirteen or fourteen, I've

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maybe even earlier, maybe even twenty eleven or twelve, Like

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I've always kind of been on the edge of like thinking, Okay,

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they're about to drop this big thing, you know what

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I mean, Like we're ever since twenty twelve thirteen, And

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that's probably because that's around the time twenty eleven that

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I started doing my blog and doing more podcasts and media.

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So you're you're kind of in the game. You're like

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ready for Okay, what are they going to do next?

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And a lot of people, you know, I was awake to.

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Speaker 3: A lot of conspiracy stuff, like I said, since about

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twenty and two or three.

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Speaker 8: So I went through the whole Ron Paul era of

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you know, the libertarian stuff out of Auto, the Fed

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twenty seven eight, you know, Tea Party and all that.

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So at that time, everybody was thinking economic collapse, and

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everybody was saying, oh, we got to be preppers, you know,

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get be ready for.

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Speaker 3: The collapse that's coming.

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Speaker 8: And it was kind of true because we had the

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two thousand and eight you know, housing collapse, and that

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was was a kind of collapse. It wasn't like nationwide

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road warrior stuff. But and as as you guys know,

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that's what led of course to the Bitcoin white paper

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and all that. So that that did kind of give

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us that partial solution, I guess you could say, to

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the ills of the world. But by the time the

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twenty tens, I was kind of like, like you said,

480
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they're like, what was I looking for?

481
00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 3: What was on the on the radar?

482
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Speaker 8: I was thinking, Okay, every year, it's like, what's the

483
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big thing they're going to drop next?

484
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Speaker 3: When's the next nine to eleven? I think is kind

485
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of what we were looking for.

486
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Speaker 8: And it was longer than I thought I thought we

487
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would see more kind of crazy stuff going down the

488
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,200
twenty tens. We didn't really and then boom twenty twenty.

489
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,519
I don't think anybody was expecting. Although if we had

490
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been paying attention to the drills and exercises, you know,

491
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and the white papers that they had written, we would

492
00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:18,599
have probably had that on the radar. But do you

493
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,720
remember the Illuminati card game or familiar with that?

494
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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, that's back what in the nineties.

495
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 3: I think it did original in the nineties.

496
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Speaker 8: I have a copy of a lot of the original

497
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cards that they have since kind of added new ones.

498
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But what I'm getting at is like throughout the twenty tens,

499
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we were all kind of waiting to see, like what

500
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,960
are they going to drop next? Are goin to drop

501
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,440
the fake aliens? Is it going to be a pandemic?

502
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,599
Is it going to be an economic collapse a real one?

503
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Speaker 6: Is it going to be a war?

504
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Speaker 8: And I think you could say, like back in the

505
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Summer of Rage or whatever, that was like a little

506
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one they dropped about, you know, the race stuff and

507
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,839
the BLM and the riots.

508
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Speaker 3: That was all engineered a natural turf, So.

509
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Speaker 8: That's that was they threw down that card from the

510
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Illuminati card deck. I don't think anybody twenty twenty that

511
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:05,200
was expecting the pandemic card to drop, although when it dropped,

512
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everybody was then like, hey, wait a minute. You know,

513
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,759
look at exercise, you know, ev into a one, look

514
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,279
at this far As document, look at Clayed X, at

515
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Crimson catage, and you know, look at the John Hopkins exercises,

516
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:18,640
et cetera. So that then it turns out, you know,

517
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hindsight is twenty twenty. You see all this stuff that

518
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they did in preparation for this, and you know, if

519
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,880
you've studied the nine to eleven stuff, you know that

520
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,839
they always do drills, same with seven to seven in

521
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,400
the UK, there's always drills that are kind of preparation

522
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and the cover of times for the event.

523
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I.

524
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Speaker 8: Think I think it wasn't expected, but at the same time,

525
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,400
we were all expecting something. It's just they dropped this

526
00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:46,039
like crazy wax sye op that basically showed half of

527
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:48,119
the population to be completely retarded.

528
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:49,319
Speaker 3: As the way I view it.

529
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's so interesting, man, because like I'm still seeing

530
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,880
the shit up here. I was working down in Toronto

531
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,279
today and you're still looking at thirty percent of people

532
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:04,920
running around with Matt Wow, it's fucking nuts. Yeah, Canada,

533
00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:07,680
Like God, we went through it. It's just this idea

534
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:12,720
of like this polite society if you if you weren't

535
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,160
you know, taking the vax or you were talking anti

536
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,440
vax or anything like that, like you were going.

537
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 6: Against the whole society, because that wasn't polite.

538
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 7: Fucking wild. It got real wild up here. Uh Now,

539
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,079
what did this do for your image during this time?

540
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,079
Because I know for myself being, you know, I'd got

541
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,279
down the conspiracy rabbit holes before this that led into

542
00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:35,440
some content making.

543
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,079
Speaker 6: Had some videos that went big during the beginning of it, that.

544
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 7: Led to a bunch of accounts getting banned and kind

545
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,720
of having to restart again. How did the COVID times

546
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,160
work for you? Did your image just kind of grow?

547
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,480
And did is this where the boom kind of happened

548
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:49,680
for you?

549
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 8: We got a huge boom during that period, I think,

550
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,519
as everybody can probably surmise, because everybody who was basically

551
00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:00,359
spending all their time online, so my audio the ends

552
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,680
probably doubled in that time, My income probably doubled or

553
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,440
tripled in that time, and that was all kind of surprising.

554
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,599
Speaker 3: Again, nobody expected that.

555
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,599
Speaker 8: I think everybody had this very negative attitude, which was

556
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,839
appropriate because it was so crazy and such a dark

557
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,319
sy op.

558
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:16,519
Speaker 3: However, for us.

559
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 8: It was like like this was like our best you know,

560
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,519
years of audience wise and money wise, So it is

561
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:27,079
a blessing in disguise, I guess, I mean, I'm not.

562
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,000
I didn't enjoy that time period. Obviously, it sucked, even

563
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,039
even if you lived in a place that was you know,

564
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:36,119
a red state that was pretty open, which is where

565
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,799
we were at the time.

566
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:38,559
Speaker 3: We were in Tennessee at that time, and.

567
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 8: I don't I don't think in my hometown where I lived, like,

568
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,359
I don't think I ever wore a mask.

569
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,799
Speaker 3: I can't recall during that entire period.

570
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 8: The only time I ever had to wear a mask

571
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:51,480
in Tennessee is if you go to like downtown Nashville,

572
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,079
where you know, in the in the city city you

573
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,799
would find some you know, shithead liberal loon that would

574
00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:01,119
scream at you at you know, whole foods or whatever.

575
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,640
That's the only place I ever encountered any of that. So,

576
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:07,920
if you know, for me, life didn't really change except

577
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,599
that there.

578
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: Wasn't really any restaurants to eat out.

579
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 8: That was the one sucky part because the place where

580
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,880
I loved doesn't really have any good restaurants. It's like

581
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,640
a bunch of shitty It's a bunch of shitty, greasy

582
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,200
oil seed oil you know, fatty Southern bullshit food restaurants

583
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,200
that don't have good food. So you have to drive

584
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:27,200
basically to Nashville if you want to eat somewhere good,

585
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:29,680
and uh, anywhere you go in Nashville it is like

586
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,000
you know, COVID and for a long time there was

587
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:32,640
no restaurant.

588
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,279
Speaker 3: Everything was shut down. But so I know, I mean,

589
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:36,599
I know a lot of people had a lot worse

590
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:38,119
than me. So I'm not trying to bitch and moan.

591
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,759
I'm just saying.

592
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:41,359
Speaker 8: I'm just saying my personal experience was it actually wasn't

593
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,920
very bad. I mean, it's almost like there wasn't a

594
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:49,160
quote pandemic. There was just all these people talking about,

595
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,200
you know, their blue cities and their shitty states being

596
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:57,640
basically dystopian nightmares, and for us, it was pretty it

597
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,279
was pretty uh pretty rad actually, I mean, but I

598
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,880
mean it was already from home, so like everybody else

599
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,599
is like that, they'll work from home, Like dude, I've

600
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,079
been working from home since twenty fourteen doing conspiracy stuff online.

601
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,839
So I already worked from home. I already you know,

602
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,799
cooked my own food.

603
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: We don't we don't eat out that much.

604
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 8: Because most restaurants you know, use seed oils and shit,

605
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,960
and it messes up my stomach. So anyway, I'm rambling

606
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,000
just to say that, you know, in a weird way.

607
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:25,799
Speaker 3: Actually code was a huge boost for us.

608
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:27,359
Speaker 8: It kind of went to That was around the time too,

609
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:31,200
when I started hosting in four Wars. So twenty twenty

610
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,319
was I think the first year that they asked me

611
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,960
to host and come on. So so yeah, for us,

612
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,319
it was it was just the opposite about ironically.

613
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 7: Uh, I would like to get some moufa from you.

614
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 6: Where are we at with this the Info War sale?

615
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:51,359
Speaker 7: And do you have any expectations of what's going to

616
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,279
happen with with Alex Jones and in fours?

617
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,559
Speaker 8: Well, as we said, it's kind of like this this

618
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,759
ongoing circus because it kind of flips back and forth.

619
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:02,240
You know, I don't I'm not privy to any inside

620
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,160
information per se. I mean I talked to Darry the

621
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,079
producer often. I talked to Alex a little bit, But

622
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:13,400
I don't know any inside deats except that except what

623
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,160
Alex just kind of puts up publicly. So you know,

624
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,640
I think they're just kind of waiting to see at

625
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,279
the next hearing what the jes Des sides about the

626
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:25,799
scandal that happened last week. So yeah, my feelings are

627
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,240
that it's swinging back in the direction of Alex.

628
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: That's the way it looks. And it just hit me today.

629
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 8: That what the actual cunning plan was with that gigantic,

630
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:41,880
you know, billion dollar thing, it wasn't even about the

631
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,039
billion dollars. What I realized today was that the reason

632
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:47,279
they did that was that if you remember that one

633
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,680
lawyer came on and said, if you're a supporter of

634
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,400
Alex or Info Wars, you should realize that any money

635
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,960
that you give is going to be going to, you know,

636
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,160
the people who want the Sandy Hook people. And what

637
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,680
that was designed to do was actually destroy the economic

638
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,200
potential of in force continuing, because everybody who loves Alex

639
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:10,680
Jones is therefore not going to give any money to

640
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,400
Alex because they think, then, well, I'm not gonna give

641
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,480
it to Alex because the money is going to go

642
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,359
to these families that are suing Alex. So it's a

643
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,720
very clever way to attempt to economically emasculate info wars.

644
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:24,039
But whether that's going to happen, I don't know. It's

645
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,759
just really I guess it's depending upon the judge, but

646
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:28,359
it is it's good news. I guess to hear that

647
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:30,440
Alex is going to you know, take it back and

648
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:31,480
counter suit and stuff.

649
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was reading today about the countersuit against the

650
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,920
Sandy Hook families.

651
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 6: That's crazy.

652
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm so intrigued to see how it all plays

653
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,119
out like it just seems. It seems to be there's

654
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:48,920
there's all these conspiracies from the elites to like whether

655
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:54,279
it's against Alex, whether it's against Trump, small content creators

656
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:55,119
getting fucked like.

657
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:59,559
Speaker 6: You name it. The way they can manipulate the court

658
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,240
system them to do this kind of shit is wild.

659
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:03,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

660
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,319
Speaker 8: I think that was an overlooked arena that a lot

661
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,680
of because a lot of people in our domain, when

662
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,759
we look at, you know, the tyranny that's coming, the technocracy,

663
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,920
the dystopia, the means and the surveillance and all that,

664
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,079
we're always thinking that it's going to be this government

665
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,400
boot on our neck. It's going to be you know,

666
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,359
un troops, it's going to be this or that. And

667
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,720
we missed these sort of subtle ways. For example, the

668
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,720
whole COVID crisis, like that was all the New World

669
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,799
Order basically sliding into the back door of the medical system,

670
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,599
you know, and health. So that's not the arena everybody expected.

671
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,799
You know, you're expecting police state people busting on your door.

672
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: No, they're doing it through.

673
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 8: Like the Boomer medicares you know, medicine system and tricking

674
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,680
all the Boomers into thinking that, you know, if you

675
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,880
wear a mask, you're not going to get you know.

676
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:55,839
Speaker 3: Throat aids or whatever they thought it was.

677
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,119
Speaker 8: And then at the same time, like you know, when

678
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:03,279
it comes to uh, these other situations, it's like they

679
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:07,039
can slip through these things that you don't expect. And

680
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,640
that's the you know, compromise of the judiciary. I remember

681
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,480
one conspiracy book ever talking about the compromising of the

682
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,799
you know, the judicial system. And so that's not even

683
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:19,200
something on anybody's radar, you know what I mean.

684
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: So that was a big one that we missed.

685
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,039
Speaker 7: I think, well, it's funny because I didn't even think

686
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,640
anything about the judicial system until there was the idea

687
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:31,599
of Democrats started coming out saying that Trump was going

688
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,319
to stack the Supreme Court. Yeah, and it was like

689
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:39,160
every time about yeah, it was like, oh, that's fucking interesting,

690
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,720
Like there is a game going on to the to

691
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:45,200
the just the justice system. Obviously we you know, having

692
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:51,480
Biden in, Uh, it almost went the other way. Yeah,

693
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:55,079
crazy to think that it feels like every level of

694
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,640
government and it has been it has been corrupted.

695
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's every area of society.

696
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 8: Like you know, if you go back and read a

697
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:05,039
lot of these technocrats and the older elite writings, which

698
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:06,720
is you know, one of the things that we kind

699
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,400
of pioneered on my channel was you know, not just theorizing,

700
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,480
which which I'm fine with. It's it's there's nothing wrong

701
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:17,039
with with theorizing within reason, but to actually go into

702
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:19,719
the documents and writings of the elite, which we've lectured

703
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,599
through I think in the last six or seven years

704
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,599
about sixty or seventy of those documents. So this is

705
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,400
like the writings of you know, Brazienski and Kissinger and

706
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,960
Rockefellers quickly on and on on. There's a whole you know,

707
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:34,679
dozens of these texts and white papers and what you

708
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:39,960
start to notice is that the plan was was full

709
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,239
spectrum dominance. I think that was the term that Rumsfeld

710
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,239
chose after nine to eleven, was, Oh, you know, to

711
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,000
combat the enemies of America, we're going to have to

712
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,639
plan and strategize for quote full spectrum dominance. And that

713
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:58,360
became the Pentagon's operating model. And that makes perfect sense

714
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:02,760
when you look at for example, remember during COVID World

715
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,440
Economic Forum put out this website that you could sign

716
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:08,159
up for, and when you sign up for it, you

717
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,119
got you got this like graphic scenery that would explain

718
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,599
to you all of the different areas of society that

719
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,119
they intended to remake with.

720
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 3: What they wanted out of the COVID stuff.

721
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,199
Speaker 8: And it was every area of life like they want

722
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:32,199
to remake and re reshape, you know, education, science, religion, economics, education, Yeah,

723
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,400
I mean like every religion, religion, church, like every area

724
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,360
of society, all the way down to you know, like insurance.

725
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:43,960
You know, insurance being based on you know, tracking carbon credits, surveillance,

726
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,360
like just just crazy stuff. So and that's the thing

727
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,440
is like when you look at these books from hundred

728
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,360
years ago and then you look at the recent statements

729
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,599
from the same power structure.

730
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 3: It's the exact same plan.

731
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:57,679
Speaker 6: So this is a good there's a good segue.

732
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 7: Actually, the power structure we'll call that the they, and

733
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:04,800
we all use this term day.

734
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 6: They doing this, They are doing that. Who is the

735
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:08,320
day to you?

736
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:16,199
Speaker 8: So they is a coterie, a cabal of elite families.

737
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,480
It is the founders of the Federal Reserve banking system,

738
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,880
which based that on the older Rothschild fiat banking model

739
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,360
that was used in Europe and in the UK. That

740
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,760
is the model the Bank of England for example. So

741
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:36,920
in my view it is the mainly the Rothschild's Roads

742
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:41,840
Milner elite circles, and those elite circles have a specific

743
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,920
technique and model of banking that's kind of the as

744
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,679
we said, this sort of the center of the egg

745
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,559
or the center of the onion. And then what they

746
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:52,199
do is they have the sort of concentric circles outside

747
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:56,000
of that that they also run in control that include

748
00:36:56,159 --> 00:37:00,239
nation states, corporations. I'm not saying they control everything and everybody,

749
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,039
but the model that they have of control, which is

750
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,000
kind of what we call this deep state model, which

751
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:11,280
is really just a breakaway intelligence bureaucracy that runs things,

752
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,360
and they're the ones that kind of in a public

753
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,079
private way, hidden in plain sight way, they kind of

754
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:20,280
tell the government what to do. So they elected officials

755
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,239
have a very limited amount of power, I would say,

756
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:27,280
and they actually answer to these people who you know,

757
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,440
make up like the intelligence agencies, the heads of think tanks,

758
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:35,679
the heads of you know NGOs. Those people are really

759
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,320
the ones kind of given the politicians the talking points.

760
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,320
And so this would be like Brookings Institute, Ran Corporation,

761
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:46,039
it would be into these like Council in Foreign Relations,

762
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:50,320
Trilateral Commission, Builderberg Group. Those are all the steering committees

763
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,800
that actually kind of have the power and call the shots.

764
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,119
And then the politicians typically are king to beholden to

765
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:56,880
to them.

766
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 3: But the public doesn't really know this, theyn't ever really

767
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,760
figure it out. They think that, you.

768
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 8: Know, it's the it's the boobs in Washington, and we

769
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,719
gotta throw them out, get the bad apples out of Washington.

770
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: It's not Washington, it's the people that own Washington, right,

771
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:14,760
So that's how I believe that they is.

772
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,599
Speaker 8: And so one hundred years ago, one hundred and fifty

773
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:20,400
years ago, it was the people who the Rothchilds around

774
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,159
the British Empire. Well, the British empire kind of waned

775
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,360
and died, and this same coterie, this royal society, elite

776
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,559
coterie of the Fabian socialists in the circles of Rossfeldt

777
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:36,760
really just kind of brought the American empire back under

778
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,960
its sway. I don't mean the British empire. I mean

779
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:40,960
under this elite.

780
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: Cabal this sway. And so that's the same.

781
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 8: People that are still in charge and still running things.

782
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:51,880
They aligned themselves with the powerful industrial banking families in America,

783
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,880
the Rockefellers, the CARNEGIESE Morgan's, JP Morgan, the Vanderbilts, Oppenheimer's,

784
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,639
all those people. All those families are the American oligarchs

785
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:06,000
that have kind of been in control together with banking interests,

786
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,880
the Warburg's, the Shifts and others. Coon and Lobe and

787
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,920
these are all kind of these are all mentioned kind

788
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,159
of in the public, you know, big geopolitical This isn't

789
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:18,039
actually conspiracy stuff. This is like Quigly, Brazenski, et cetera.

790
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:20,639
They all admit this. So that's who runs things, and

791
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,679
that's who's really been running things. If you want a

792
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:29,320
more recent example, through their entities like Davos, like World

793
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,760
Economic Forum, Well that's Davos, or you know Bilderberg or

794
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,920
you know Rockfeller Foundation, et cetera. That's who was running COVID,

795
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,119
was the CIA in the Rockfeller Foundation.

796
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 7: So yeah, so if I'm thinking head of the snake,

797
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:46,119
you know, I hear names like a like a Klose Schwab,

798
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,320
a George Soros.

799
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 6: Where where are they?

800
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: They called them heads of the snake. I mean both

801
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:53,840
of them were.

802
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,079
Speaker 8: They were actually recruited, right, So, like Soros was essentially

803
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,280
during the rag Era working with the CIA to open

804
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:10,039
up Eastern Bloc countries through the gene sharp Color Revolution stuff.

805
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: So that's actually shual.

806
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,199
Speaker 8: Soros was really kind of making his bones during seventies

807
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:17,800
and eighties, and they were pushing for all this sort

808
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,079
of you know, neoliberal economic stuff in the former Soviet

809
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:26,400
Bloc countries to integrate those countries into the IMF World

810
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,360
Bank model because they were prior, you know, previously not

811
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,039
and that doesn't make the Soviets good, by the way,

812
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:33,119
I think the Soviets were just another kind of bad guy.

813
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,840
But we recently, for example, covered some of the texts

814
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,280
from the kissinger of France, Jacques Attalie, and I didn't

815
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,239
realize that. In his nineteen ninety one book, I think

816
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,000
it's called Millennium.

817
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,679
Speaker 3: The subtitles something about actually about the new world order.

818
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,599
Speaker 8: In that book he says, well, the Soviet you know,

819
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,559
union just collapsed, and I've been appointed to be the

820
00:40:56,599 --> 00:41:01,760
head of the ECB, the European Bank, to restructure these

821
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,400
Soviet block countries, to put them under the IMF model,

822
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,079
in other words, to put them in the debt slave

823
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,760
fiat model. So, I mean there's an example of operatives

824
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,119
right there, you know, kissing deer Brazenski shakatt the Lee

825
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,519
is literally saying, I'm an operative for the for the

826
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:20,840
Western banking structure to basically, you know, in debt these

827
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,119
former Soviet countries in in in perpetual debt model slavery.

828
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:29,559
In that book, that's just one example. But yeah, it's

829
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:32,840
just a bunch of banking and corporate elite. And yes,

830
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,599
Zionis have a large sway in that in that field,

831
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:38,760
they're not the totality of it, but they definitely have

832
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,679
a lot of sway.

833
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,079
Speaker 3: And a lot of power.

834
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 7: Okay, another good segue here, because uh, international monetary fund. Yeah,

835
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,960
trying to do this, will loan you billion dollars. Hey,

836
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,239
El Salvador, you want to buy some bitcoin, We're not

837
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,639
going to give you that billion dollar loan. El Salvador went, okay, fine,

838
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:58,920
We're just gonna keep buying bitcoin.

839
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 3: Exactly.

840
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 8: The middle I was, they did the right thing, right,

841
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,639
middle finger to them, right, one hundred percent.

842
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:05,199
Speaker 6: You look at our south of today and look at

843
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,119
bitcoin price. I'm sure they're doing real well.

844
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:13,199
Speaker 7: How do you think bitcoin fucks with the geopolitics and

845
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,000
this power structure?

846
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 8: I still think, you know, in twenty fourteen. Actually, you

847
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,960
know I heard about bitcoin in twenty eleven or twelve

848
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,280
because I used to watch Kaiser Report and Max Kaiser.

849
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,719
I remember watching the episode.

850
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:30,559
Speaker 3: I bet Kind's sketch it. I bet kind of it's

851
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,239
a monetary store of value. If you ature it's a

852
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:33,880
black hole.

853
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 8: I bet kind is a to the suicide bankers of

854
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,239
Jamie Dimond. I don't know if you remember maxk but

855
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,159
I was an avid listener to Kaiser, And actually it

856
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,960
was around twenty ten eleven that I was first getting

857
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:51,199
Actually the two thousand and eight housing crisis is what

858
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,320
actually what got me interested in economics because I knew

859
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,159
about the Federal Reserve being a scam and all that

860
00:42:56,199 --> 00:43:00,360
prior to two thousand and eight. But I had not

861
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,880
really focused on economics. I was familiar with some of

862
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,639
the you know, Austrian school. I'd read a bunch of

863
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:07,760
an Ran stuff, so I kind of had the basics

864
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,639
of like, you know, objectivism, libertarian ethics, practice and all that,

865
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,000
but it wasn't like a main focus of mine. I

866
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,559
was more interested in secret societies and syops and.

867
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:17,159
Speaker 3: That kind of stuff.

868
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:19,679
Speaker 8: But the two thousand and eight housing crisis happened, and

869
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,800
I remember I was watching a lot of Peter Schiff

870
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,360
videos at the time. I was listening to podcast. He

871
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,159
used to come on Alex all the time. I remember

872
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,719
I read two Peter Shift books back in two thousand

873
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:36,280
and eight, and I bought Thomas Woods's book about the

874
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,199
housing collapse. So around that time I was getting more

875
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,679
I mean, I was wholly broke, by the way, can

876
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,840
I have any money? But I was just getting interested

877
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,440
in economics because I started thinking like, well, why am.

878
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,119
Speaker 3: I broke as hell?

879
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: Like?

880
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I work hard. I you know, I'm not

881
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,159
like blowing money, but I'm super bros.

882
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 8: So I would just wanted to solve the economic situation,

883
00:43:57,639 --> 00:43:59,920
mainly for myself. And then I also was interested in

884
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,079
and you know, the country and the housing crisis and

885
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,679
all that, because I remember thinking will I ever be

886
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:07,599
able to have a house?

887
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:08,679
Speaker 3: It is like is this going to be?

888
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 8: This is destroying the entire housing market, Like what's going

889
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,440
to happen? And so I read those books and that

890
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,000
got me interested in gold. So you know, I already

891
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:19,199
again I knew about the federserve being a scam, but

892
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,079
I didn't really understand that. You know what's the best

893
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:24,719
heads Well, all of those you know, Austrian economics books,

894
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,840
they all just basically tell you to buy gold.

895
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: And Peter Shipp tells you buy gold.

896
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,039
Speaker 8: And I'm actually thankful for that because I did have

897
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:35,000
a phase where I started saving my money in about

898
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:37,239
two thousand and eight, and I actually bought my first

899
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,440
bar of gold, well not a bar ounce of gold

900
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:39,880
from Alex.

901
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: I remember that in two.

902
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 8: Two thousand and eight, seven or eight, I bought an

903
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,480
ounce of gold from Alex because Ted Anderson used to

904
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,239
sell gold in Alex's show. And I remember I was thought,

905
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,800
I was like, oh man, I'm so smart, Like I'm

906
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,000
actually saving my money now, like because I have this

907
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,320
one ounce of gold it's worth like nine hundred dollars

908
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,679
or whatever it was. But you know what funny about

909
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,840
that is that was actually that was actually a good

910
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:05,840
I was actually a good phase to go through, like

911
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,679
because it taught me, Okay, I know this fiats crap,

912
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,199
I'm gonna start saving. It's got to be converted over

913
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:13,920
into gold. So I just kept buying gold and silver.

914
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:16,039
Speaker 3: I mean, I never had like a lot, but I

915
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,920
was just basically using that as my savings account.

916
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 8: And then about yeah, and you're not You're not buying

917
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,480
golden silver stock.

918
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:24,639
Speaker 6: You were just buying, you.

919
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: Said the bar just straight up gold.

920
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 8: Because in twenty nineteen, I actually took all of that

921
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:31,679
gold and silver.

922
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't whole, it was about thirteen thousand dollars.

923
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 8: And I went and sold it all to the to

924
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,599
my gold dude and bought bitcoin. And I remember I

925
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:42,039
remember having the conversation with the with the guy.

926
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: He was like, I don't know, man, that bitcoin, that's

927
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:47,239
kind of risky. You sure you want to sell all

928
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,480
this gold. I'm like, yep, I'm sure.

929
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 8: And I remember at the time bitcoin was about ten thousand,

930
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,039
so I actually got one whole BTC out of that.

931
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen or maybe twenty eighteen.

932
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 8: But anyway, long story short, I'm I'm rambling, but so

933
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:04,320
go back to rewind back to twenty eleven twelve. I

934
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,199
remember Max KUIs are talking about bitcoin, but I just

935
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,159
didn't understand what it was. And I remember I did

936
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,639
my first public event. I spoke at a conference called

937
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,440
Secret Space Program Conference, and you can still find that

938
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,639
electure on YouTube's. It's pretty good breakdown of like esoteric

939
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:23,039
Hollywood stuff. I wasn't there to do anything about space

940
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:27,119
or aliens. I was actually debunking aliens. But there's this

941
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:28,719
dude that came to the conference and he was all

942
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,320
about bitcoin, and he was just like, oh dude, you

943
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,480
got to get bitcoin. This was like twenty fourteen, and

944
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:35,159
I'm like, well, I've been hearing about this since twenty

945
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:37,239
eleven from Max Kaiser, But you know, I was like,

946
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,400
you know, you libertarians are like so idealistic.

947
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:42,159
Speaker 3: This was never going to catch on. They're going to

948
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:42,920
shut this down.

949
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 6: You know.

950
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 8: I had all the same food everybody has at the beginning,

951
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,159
and I was like, this is cia andsa invention.

952
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,159
Speaker 3: It's a way to get you into electronic currency.

953
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,079
Speaker 8: Blah blah blah, all the same food, right, And I

954
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:56,480
remember I had another buddy who was a big fan

955
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:58,639
of bitcoin. Ironically didn't buy it, but he was just

956
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,079
like super into the philosoph and he was studying it

957
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:03,800
and he started arguing with me, and we had these

958
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,679
arguments back and forth for about a year. And then

959
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,760
I remember in twenty sixteen seventeen, I started noticing it

960
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,320
going up and I was still broke as hell, and

961
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,519
I remember thinking, all right, I've got a couple thousand

962
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:19,000
dollars and I just saw a bitcoin go from like

963
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,599
I don't know, eighteen hundred to twenty five hundred or something,

964
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,840
and I remember thinking I could have at least made

965
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,679
a little bit of money if i'd had some. So

966
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,079
I went through this huge hassle. My bank was a

967
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,039
nightmare because they thought it was a scam. They were

968
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,639
like this hitting legal, and yes, it is not illegal

969
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:36,199
in Tennessee.

970
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 3: I can buy bitcoin if I want to.

971
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,159
Speaker 8: And to me, like three days of arguing with my

972
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:44,599
stupid bank before they let me actually buy bitcoin, and

973
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:48,199
I just started stacking at that time. I'm not going

974
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,239
to say how much I have, but you know, we've

975
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,880
done really well with that. It's kind of it's gonna

976
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,119
it's really been the main source of income for us.

977
00:47:56,119 --> 00:47:57,599
I mean, we do well with the other stuff, with

978
00:47:57,639 --> 00:47:59,199
the book and the website and all that.

979
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:02,159
Speaker 3: But it's kind of like the hedge, I guess you

980
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:03,960
could say, so, yeah.

981
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,039
Speaker 8: I mean I think for me, and not just because

982
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:09,559
of the personal you know, positives, but like, it teaches

983
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,960
you humility, it teaches you to be objective, it teaches

984
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,639
you to be to save, it teaches you long term

985
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,719
value propositions, a lot of the stuff that gold would

986
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,800
teach you. But I think bitcoin teaches it better than

987
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,239
gold does because gold is just like slow motion, right,

988
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,639
It's like, oh, I've.

989
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 3: Saved gold for ten years, I made ten percent. Wow,

990
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,039
you know, I mean maybe more in the last ten years.

991
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 8: But yeah, I really think it's genuinely, as a long

992
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,119
ass answer, sorry for your question, I do think that

993
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:44,079
it is a legitimate solution. It's certainly the best possible

994
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:48,320
solution to the monetary problems of the world. I mean,

995
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,679
I don't know if anything in this world is ever

996
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,320
going to be quote perfect. There's no silver bullet, but

997
00:48:52,960 --> 00:49:00,119
it's definitely the supreme best case scenario for solving the

998
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:01,840
economic problems.

999
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got so, I got two questions within this.

1000
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 7: You mentioned like a coup from a very similar journey.

1001
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,400
You know, I find gold, I find silver, kind of

1002
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,719
anti bitcoin in the beginning with magic Internet money and

1003
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:24,679
I want nothing to do with that. That so when

1004
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,199
you see, you see Trump originally is kind of anti bitcoin,

1005
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,119
anti Uh, that pivot has happened in the last year

1006
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:35,760
or so. What do you think causes that pivot within

1007
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,920
Trump himself and within his supporter base.

1008
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 8: Well, I think there was a probably a series of factors.

1009
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:49,079
I think that the first crack in the wall was

1010
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:53,960
probably that Max Kaiser, you know, used to come on

1011
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,400
Alex all the time and was talking about bitcoin for

1012
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,599
so long. And I would say, actually, probably Max is

1013
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,280
the one that convinced me first that even over my

1014
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:05,119
buddy's arguments, because I was actually started listening to a

1015
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:08,360
bunch of Max's show in interviews after I was arguing

1016
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,480
with my buddy about bitcoin, because I wanted to hear,

1017
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:12,920
you know, what the arguments were, because I was going

1018
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,519
to refute it. I remember I even wrote like in

1019
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:18,639
twenty fourteen, like a long article against bitcoin, and I

1020
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,800
was so wrong. So that was one of the one

1021
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,000
of the few cases I admit where I'm joking. I've

1022
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:25,840
been wrong many times, but in the last ten years,

1023
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,960
that was one of my biggest errors, was my twenty

1024
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,920
fourteen anti crypto article.

1025
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,199
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I watched a bunch of Max Kais.

1026
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 8: So Max Kaiser I think had a huge influence on

1027
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,719
changing Alex's mind because Alex was kind of so averse

1028
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:41,440
to it as well.

1029
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: I mean, he was like not against it, but not

1030
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:45,679
for it. He was just kind of like, I just

1031
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,320
don't know. This just seems like it seems like the

1032
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,239
money to leave. I just don't get it on.

1033
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 8: And then after a while, when you know, somebody sent

1034
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,239
Alex that nine million dollar bitcoin donation that I think

1035
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,920
definitely showed Alex that this is like the money of

1036
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,920
freedom right liberty money, and uh so that saved in

1037
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,239
fo wars at that time, and that convinced him. That

1038
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,679
probably then helped to because there was a close connection

1039
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,639
between you know, Alex and Roger Stone and Trump right,

1040
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,800
so that there's they communicate often. So that probably this

1041
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:25,760
is my speculation, that probably helped get Roger Stone thinking

1042
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,960
about the importance of bitcoin in this election in crypto.

1043
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 2: Uh.

1044
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,039
Speaker 3: Then of course RFK was a big bitcoin supporter.

1045
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,199
Speaker 8: He made that a very crucial topic in the in

1046
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,719
the election.

1047
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: Talked about all the time. Uh.

1048
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,519
Speaker 8: And then you had, of course Michael Sailor being so

1049
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:43,800
vocal and everywhere.

1050
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: You know.

1051
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 8: I remember it was a big deal when Tucker about

1052
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,000
a year ago. Remember Tucker had Michael Sailor on for

1053
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:52,400
like a two hour interview, and that opened a lot

1054
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,360
of boomer's eyes because I shared that interview with all

1055
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,960
my boomer relatives. And even though I've been telling them

1056
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,119
about bitcoinsince twenties seventeen. If you know how boomers are,

1057
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:04,920
like boomers are never going to listen to anything you

1058
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:08,639
say until another Boomer or Fox News says it. It's

1059
00:52:08,679 --> 00:52:11,119
like even if it's shit that you literally said ten

1060
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:14,119
years ago, like they're not going to believe it until.

1061
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,079
Speaker 6: You know, Well, I saw Tucker on Fox saying it.

1062
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: I guess it's true.

1063
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,599
Speaker 3: It's like, Mom, I told you that ten years ago, right.

1064
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:22,599
So I think that was a huge pivot.

1065
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,119
Speaker 8: All the evangelism that Sailor did and then putting his

1066
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:28,280
money where his mouth is, with all the money that

1067
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:29,000
he put into it.

1068
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:30,119
Speaker 3: We shouldn't.

1069
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,159
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm obviously not a fan of black rock,

1070
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:35,519
but we probably can't overlook the power and influence that

1071
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,679
blackrock has, so blackrock probably had.

1072
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 3: A role in normalizing it.

1073
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,679
Speaker 8: Then of course we had the ETFs in January, which

1074
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,960
you know, that's institutional acceptance. So anyway, long story short,

1075
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,000
I think those are probably all factors in what changed

1076
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,360
Trump's mind. And then probably when Trump realized, with you know,

1077
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:57,079
NFTs and his own cryptos or whatever, he could make money,

1078
00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:58,400
that's probably a factor as well.

1079
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 7: I'm glad you because there's part of me that just

1080
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:04,760
likes to think that, you know, Baron gets into the

1081
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,000
airboat dropping an NFT collection, he drops it, sees the wallet,

1082
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:09,239
and goes, oh shit.

1083
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 6: This is yeah money.

1084
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 8: I mean, I'll tell you something that we had a

1085
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,360
unfortunate incident not too long ago with me mean points

1086
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,519
where I know everybody has one of these stories, but

1087
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:27,679
this one's a little bit embarrassing because I woke up

1088
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,159
one day and Jamie and I were talking about mean

1089
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:33,400
coins and and I'm not a big like mean coin

1090
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,199
d gen or whatever, but I'll play around with a

1091
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:38,440
little bit of money here and there in a mean

1092
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:43,519
cooin for fun, and we were talking about peanut because

1093
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:44,639
Jamie noticed.

1094
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 3: That that was everywhere.

1095
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,119
Speaker 8: This is so crazy that so now we didn't lose money.

1096
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:50,960
Let me say first of all, in this embarrassing story,

1097
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,159
we didn't lose money. Yeah, and we're we're very blessed,

1098
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:59,760
we're doing really well. But we almost had a gigantic

1099
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:02,840
of money. And now I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna

1100
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,360
go and tell you what the mistake was.

1101
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,079
Speaker 3: First mistake was it was early in the morning.

1102
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 8: I decided, okay, and I get paid in ethereum from

1103
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,519
another thing that I do through Rock fin So I

1104
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,440
got a rock fan payment, right, and it was a

1105
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,119
certain amount of the theories I'll say it's about a

1106
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:22,679
thousand dollars fifteen dollars in ethereum, right, And I said,

1107
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,039
you know what, I'm just gonna ape in a little

1108
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:28,960
bit on this peanut, just because I think these memes

1109
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,000
are going so crazy.

1110
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 3: And I looked and I noticed that on.

1111
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,679
Speaker 8: Ethereum there was four peanuts, all of which were obviously

1112
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:43,039
the fake ones, right. And I, because it was early

1113
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:44,519
in the morning, I just woke up and I got

1114
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:46,800
that payment, and I didn't even think it should have

1115
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,519
been so obvious that no, obviously the peanut that would

1116
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:52,199
go off would be the one on Salana, right, But

1117
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:53,880
I just didn't think about it. And I was like,

1118
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:55,760
I'll throw a little bit over here in this peanut,

1119
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:01,199
and that peanut dumped really quick, as of course many

1120
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,960
mean points dump, you know, after their first initial launch, right,

1121
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,360
So I didn't think a whole lot about it. I

1122
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,239
went ahead and like, all right, so I've lost about

1123
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,360
five hundred bucks. I'm gonna just, you know, save the

1124
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,679
last thousand of this fifteen hundred and I kid you

1125
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,360
not five six days later the one that I meant

1126
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,079
if we would have four four and a half million

1127
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,039
dollars in peanut, if I had bought the right peanut

1128
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:28,119
and held it. And it was such a mistake, but

1129
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,920
it's okay. I learned my lesson. I mean, everybody has

1130
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,079
these crypto mistakes. Like even going back to twenty fourteen,

1131
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:36,480
if the dude at the conference I was at, if

1132
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,960
i'd listened to him, he was actually gonna give me

1133
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,719
a bitcoin. He's like, I'm gonna give you two bitcoin

1134
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,199
if you just get a wallet, and I'm like, I

1135
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:43,159
don't know what you're talking about.

1136
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: They don't know what a wallet is.

1137
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,199
Speaker 8: So I would have had another additional tube bit quin

1138
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,039
if I had just gotten that wallet, that guy to it.

1139
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,159
Speaker 3: So anyway, there's but that's just two mistakes.

1140
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 8: I mean that you know, there's there's there's good stuff.

1141
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,840
So I'm definitely we're good. We didn't lose any money,

1142
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,639
but we missed out on a lot more than what

1143
00:55:59,679 --> 00:55:59,880
we have.

1144
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:05,519
Speaker 7: The last maybe crypto topic, how many chains are you

1145
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,119
playing around on? Is it just kind of ethereum salon

1146
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:09,960
a bitcoin or are there a bunch you're playing on?

1147
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 8: I mean, I know you I mean I've had at

1148
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,920
one point I do a lot of trading. In the

1149
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,920
cycle of like twenty say eighteen to twenty one, I

1150
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,719
was trading a lot, and we did pretty good with that.

1151
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 3: I mean we we didn't.

1152
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:28,559
Speaker 8: I would say we we definitely had a lot more

1153
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:30,679
gains that we had in terms of bad trades and losses.

1154
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:33,760
I had one bad trade, but that was a significant amount,

1155
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,800
about forty thousand dollars, But I mean most of the

1156
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,519
gains were, you know, far exceeded that. So I would say,

1157
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,119
you know, at different times I held a pretty significant

1158
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:46,679
amount of phantom. You know, I've played around on the

1159
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,119
Phantom chain, like I think you guys are on Phantom right,

1160
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,440
And I mean, yeah, ethereum mainly because of in the past,

1161
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,000
not so much nowadays, but because I get paid in ethereum.

1162
00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:02,400
But yeah, I mean I played around on base. I

1163
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,320
mean I had almost had if I had kept Boomer,

1164
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,119
I would have done pretty good with Boomer on base.

1165
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 3: I was an idiot.

1166
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,559
Speaker 8: I sold Boomer too. It wouldn't have been as much

1167
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:16,159
as the peanut. But but yeah, I mean, I'm I'm

1168
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:19,760
open to a lot of that. It's just that, uh,

1169
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,239
you know, I watched the you know, deck screener and

1170
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,079
try to play around a little bit with like the

1171
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:27,119
Solana stuff. But you know, I only have so much

1172
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:30,159
time in the day, so that's smaller amounts of money.

1173
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:31,639
I don't really put a whole lot of time and

1174
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:33,800
focused into that. And uh, you know, you guys have

1175
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,039
been very generous. I do appreciate you know, you guys's

1176
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,000
uh support and the tin hat caw you've given uh

1177
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:42,360
And I wish I hadn't sold it.

1178
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,039
Speaker 3: I had to pay a bill though. We had a

1179
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:48,639
couple of things come up here in terms of damage.

1180
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:50,559
Speaker 8: We had some damage to my house in terms of

1181
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:52,119
the basement, so I had to pay to have a

1182
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:53,440
humidifier put in the basement.

1183
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:56,039
Speaker 3: So at one point, but I would have had I.

1184
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 8: Missed out on like a four X if I hadn't

1185
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,760
sold you guys, But you did help pay for my humidifire,

1186
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,239
So thank you.

1187
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:05,159
Speaker 7: No topic, we had a guy or one of our

1188
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:10,039
video guys are awesome conspiracy based video content. I know

1189
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:12,760
he does a lot of podcasts on the side, has

1190
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:13,960
a merch company.

1191
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,039
Speaker 6: But I gave him a bag of THHD a while

1192
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:18,599
ago just to help.

1193
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 7: Do some content and stuff, and he sent me a

1194
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:24,239
DM during that hurricane that was going on down to Florida,

1195
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:26,599
and he was like, dude, I'm so sorry I had

1196
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:30,840
to sell, but like, thank you, thank God, Like you

1197
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,000
guys kept us going through this, Like you're right, that's

1198
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,199
the reason that we're still going.

1199
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 8: I mean, I think I think in total when I sold,

1200
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:43,480
I think you guys between the two, I mean, it

1201
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:45,280
was about fourteen hundred dollars you guys sent, which is

1202
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,920
pretty crazy total.

1203
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,519
Speaker 6: And that's just purely just communities.

1204
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: I mean the community exactly.

1205
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, Now that is kind of the the one thing

1206
00:58:55,719 --> 00:58:59,000
that we kind of pride ourselves on being a coin

1207
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:03,079
in this space. We don't pay KOLs, don't do any

1208
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:05,599
paid marketing, don't do any stuff like that. It's really

1209
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:09,079
just trying to get the community movement. Now that touches

1210
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:17,480
into mere AD's cult thesis, yess yeah, yeah, So I

1211
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:22,639
want to get your thoughts on good and bad cults.

1212
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,639
Is there any validity too that there are good and

1213
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:27,679
bad cults?

1214
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,639
Speaker 8: Well, cult just as you know, derivative of the term

1215
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,159
cultus and so it relates to the notion of a

1216
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:39,000
you know, unified community in some way worshiping h so

1217
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:41,960
you know, ultimately worth owis Christianity for me is is

1218
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:45,639
kind of my true cult, so to speak. But yeah,

1219
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:47,880
I mean, colt can obviously have negative connotations of like

1220
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,760
Jim Jones and mind control and all that, So it

1221
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,599
really just depends on the context. But I think the

1222
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,599
sense I mean in his lecture is what's interesting is

1223
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:03,760
that he said, as he actually says, because religion is dying,

1224
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,679
mean coins can become a kind of replacement religion.

1225
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 3: That to me, that's too far.

1226
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,039
Speaker 8: I mean, he may be correct and that actually happening,

1227
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,360
but I wouldn't go that far. I think that's going

1228
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,800
too far. But I think that the way that humans operate,

1229
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,199
he's correct, And I mean, really, what you guys are doing,

1230
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:24,320
or anyone else in the space is doing, it's no

1231
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,760
different than what like any any entity or corporation or

1232
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,800
even you know, a person with a following does is

1233
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,239
like you, you kind of generate a community.

1234
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,639
Speaker 3: That's all it is, and that's healthy.

1235
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 8: There's nothing inherently wrong with that. No, there's nothing wrong

1236
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,119
with different niches and communities.

1237
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:45,079
Speaker 3: And I mean my audience, like.

1238
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,119
Speaker 8: We have a lot of fun with our own kind

1239
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:51,239
of language, our own inside jokes, our own memes.

1240
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:51,519
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1241
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 8: So this is just kind of natural, I think for

1242
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,599
anybody out there in the way the Internet works today,

1243
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,519
and is probably more true as Marod says, for like

1244
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:02,519
the younger people. I don't know if I would want

1245
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,199
to say that memes are going to be religions. So

1246
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:06,239
but but I mean he maybe write them that made

1247
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:07,239
me actually where they go.

1248
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 7: You know, there's a just a statement alone scares me

1249
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:17,480
a bit. I come, my grow up is kind of

1250
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,480
anti religion. And at the point now where I have

1251
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:26,400
this feeling of society's fallen apart. The more we society

1252
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:31,280
has gotten away from religion. Now, I'm not really sure

1253
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,800
where I sit in in the whole belief structure of everything.

1254
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:36,800
I have had some crazy trips where I sit there

1255
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,159
and go, yeah, there's something fucking else going on to

1256
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:43,599
all this. I definitely don't don't understand everything. But then

1257
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:49,199
there's there's aspects of of all the books that they're

1258
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,599
just interesting. There's still that part of me that goes

1259
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:58,239
to religious books. Yeah, religious books. At what point where

1260
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,320
there books hidden or like not written something? The Bible,

1261
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,719
for instance, I love to talk about the Book of

1262
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,159
Enoch not being included in the Bible, and that those

1263
01:02:11,159 --> 01:02:15,480
pages exist in the Ethiopian Christian Bible, but they don't

1264
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,280
exist in the King jamesbit.

1265
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:21,679
Speaker 8: Well for the Orthodox charges for example, I think we

1266
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:24,559
don't have any so since we're not like Protestant solar

1267
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:27,840
scripture advocates, meaning that we don't think that the Bible

1268
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,639
alone is the source of you know, faith in revelation

1269
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,480
and so forth, because we also believe in tradition outside

1270
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:36,119
of the Bible.

1271
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,639
Speaker 3: Because Jude cites the Book.

1272
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,639
Speaker 8: Of Enich, I think in the Orthodox tradition we would

1273
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:43,400
have no problems saying that the Book of Jude even

1274
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,800
though it's not in the canon proper, it does include

1275
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:51,079
true revelation and true divine tradition, so it's very compatible

1276
01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:56,079
with Orthodox Christianity. And even some of the Slavic Bibles

1277
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:59,239
include the Book of Enich even though it's not in

1278
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,519
the quote canon proper.

1279
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,599
Speaker 3: So Orthodoxy Jan I think is unique in that regard.

1280
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:08,079
Speaker 7: Interesting, Okay, now, I know Book of Enoch leads into

1281
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:12,760
a lot of today's current alien beliefs.

1282
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,679
Speaker 6: A lot of shit going on in the news lately, uh, with.

1283
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 7: People coming out, whistleblowers videos, Where are you at with aliens?

1284
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 6: Project Bluebeam? What's going on these days? Are they here?

1285
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,639
Are they real? Are we getting played?

1286
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:33,519
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1287
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 8: I mean I tend to favor the psyop thesis for

1288
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,519
the whole alien genre as a whole. I do admit that,

1289
01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:44,119
you know, there can be demonic aspects to the phenomena.

1290
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,079
There's a good book on this by Sarah from Rose

1291
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,599
called Orthodoxy in the Religion the Future, where he talks

1292
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:53,280
about some of the manifestations of the alien phenomena. But

1293
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,440
I think that largely what's going on with a lot

1294
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,119
of the so called whistleblowers and these you know, government

1295
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:02,119
hearings and all this is really to actually foster a

1296
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:06,000
narrative that the deep state itself wants for religious engineering

1297
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,079
to kind of retool and retinker with, to tinker with

1298
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:14,280
the Western tradition itself. I think they would like to

1299
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,480
see the religion of the future move away from anything

1300
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:22,519
remotely connected to know, the founding documents Western civilization, including

1301
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:24,559
the Bible. So they want to move in the direction

1302
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:28,159
of things that they control that are very amenable to technocracy,

1303
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:33,400
and certainly the neo Darwinian alien panspermia theory all kind

1304
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,519
of works together with the alien jibber jabber, and I

1305
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:39,519
think the whole history of the alien stuff. If you

1306
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:41,320
go and watch my interviews that I've done with Paul

1307
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,079
and Philip Collins, the Collins Brothers, they've written a really

1308
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:47,920
good book on this called Invoking the Beyond, where they

1309
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:53,360
argue that largely what's going on is an intentional deep

1310
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:58,840
state foisted narrative. Going back to like MJ twelve, going

1311
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,320
back to Project Blue Book, I do think Project Blue

1312
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,559
Beam is a real thing, Like there is a real

1313
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:09,760
potentiality for you know, holograms and staged alien stuff. Absolutely,

1314
01:05:10,519 --> 01:05:12,320
but I would say also people should watch the famous

1315
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:18,920
documentary Mirage Men. That's a good window into how intelligence

1316
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,639
uses the alien narrative and all this stuff to really again,

1317
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:30,239
I think craft a future ideology that's amenable to technocracy ultimately.

1318
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,719
But that's not to say that on a personal level

1319
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,760
people don't have these experiences. I think that a lot

1320
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,360
of those experiences, if you look at ritual abuse, SRA,

1321
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,840
this kind of stuff, you'll find overlap with this so

1322
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,280
called alien experiences.

1323
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, is.

1324
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 7: This going to have any play in with I seen

1325
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,239
you share an arcicle yesterday of the day before Henry

1326
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,199
Kissinger or something about superhumans.

1327
01:05:59,039 --> 01:05:59,679
Speaker 3: I mean it could.

1328
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 8: I think that, you know, definitely, transhumanism ties into the

1329
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,679
alien narrative and the Cause Brothers actually touch on that

1330
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,079
quite a bit in that book, So there is an

1331
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:11,519
overlap there. There's a lot of times people will say, well,

1332
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:13,800
you know, if you accept kind of the big Bang

1333
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:18,679
Darwinian theory, the theses, then it stands to reason that

1334
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,360
we are not special, and we're not you know, alone

1335
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,119
in the universe, because the universe is infinite, aon's old

1336
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:25,639
or whatever.

1337
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,239
Speaker 3: Then there were.

1338
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,039
Speaker 8: There's most likely life evolving in other planets, and most

1339
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:32,760
likely they're more advanced. And so that's the logic that

1340
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,400
that train of thought goes down.

1341
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: And if you follow that, I think that I think

1342
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,320
it leads a lot.

1343
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,119
Speaker 6: But that don't think of Richard Dawkins train of thought.

1344
01:06:41,159 --> 01:06:45,039
Speaker 8: Oh actually he says this. Yeah, Dawkins famously famously is well.

1345
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: I do believe in the possibility of aliens, you see,

1346
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,440
and that's more than god.

1347
01:06:51,679 --> 01:06:54,519
Speaker 6: It's so dark to listen to him. I tried it

1348
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:55,159
so dark.

1349
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,239
Speaker 8: Well, I think Dawkins is a good example of what

1350
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:01,679
we're talking about. Don't know if he may have commented

1351
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:04,079
on transhumanism at some point, but he definitely has commented

1352
01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:09,440
on the compatibility with you know, the strict Darwinian dogma

1353
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:13,039
and aliens. And again, you know, if you accept that

1354
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:17,239
evolutionary theory thesis, then most of those proponents also kind

1355
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:20,840
of project that, well, we will be therefore evolving into

1356
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,880
the future. I don't know why they always assume it's

1357
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:25,599
evolving and not devolving. I mean, there's no law that

1358
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:27,400
says that if you believe in this, it has to

1359
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,679
be a progressive evolution. It might be a progressive evolution.

1360
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,199
I mean, maybe we're getting worse. Maybe we're getting dumber

1361
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:36,880
if that whole worldview is true. But yeah, I mean

1362
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,760
transhumanism kind of fits into that because if we are evolving,

1363
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,599
then it stands to reason in their view, that only

1364
01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:46,480
by uniting ourselves with AI and technology could we then

1365
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:49,719
evolve to become you know, Marvel superhero gods.

1366
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:56,639
Speaker 7: Think I want to ask, how prevalent do you think

1367
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,719
Satanism is in today's society now? I say this because

1368
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,440
I've been recently watching a little Netflix series.

1369
01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:11,079
Speaker 6: Kind of from the Satanic panic days that metal rock days.

1370
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,239
Speaker 7: I grew up on classic rock, grew up listening to

1371
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:19,520
Ozzy Osbourne, grew up kind of as a kid thinking

1372
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,880
that like he was the Satanist, you know. Being older

1373
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,479
now and having listened to the lyrics and everything, very

1374
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,800
much feel differently about that. I feel like his song

1375
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,119
about Aleister Crowley is a very interesting, like kind of

1376
01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:34,720
call out of Crowley.

1377
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,199
Speaker 3: I mean, I think a lot of people.

1378
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,520
Speaker 8: Thought was quote satanic in the eighties, and that was

1379
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,000
kind of corny, cheeseball stuff that for the most part

1380
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:49,319
was theatrics and probably wasn't that sincere.

1381
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:53,039
Speaker 3: However, some of the cases.

1382
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 8: Maybe not the rock bands, but like the McMartin preschool case.

1383
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,720
I mean it was declassified by the FBI that they

1384
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:04,680
really were tunnels underneath the preschool, and some of the

1385
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,960
other cases that were adjacent to or related to the

1386
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,680
Satanic panic actually did turn out to be real cases

1387
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,720
of SRA. So you can look up the Franklin scandal.

1388
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,279
I've been on the podcast with the author of that

1389
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:21,439
book from my publisher, Nick Bryant, Franklin Cover Up. You know,

1390
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,520
that's an example of a scandal at that time that

1391
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,479
did relate to actual Satanic ritual abuse, involving a lot

1392
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:32,800
of hype level GOP officials Nebraska politicians. If you go

1393
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,359
into the history of the cases of Satanic ritual abuse

1394
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,159
in the Roman Catholic Church going back to sixties, seventies,

1395
01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:39,920
and eighties, there's plenty of cases.

1396
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 3: Of that where that was real.

1397
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 8: That was first detailed as far as I'm aware, both

1398
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,199
in Malachi Martin's books in the nineties and in the

1399
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:50,560
first journalistic book to cover in TOTO was when Kennedy's

1400
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,840
book Lucifer's Lodge, which came out in two thousand and three,

1401
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,640
and I was I mean, I got that book when

1402
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,760
it came out, So I've been reading about this, you know,

1403
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,800
for over twenty years now, so and I'm not trying

1404
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,199
to say like, oh, I'm an expert, but I mean

1405
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,840
you can go into even some of the serials, like

1406
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,600
for example, when Heraldo did his series that helped kick

1407
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,000
off Satanic Panic, he focused on a few of the

1408
01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:16,039
serial killers, one of whom was Bobby Bardella. Well, Bobby

1409
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:19,239
Burdella actually was a Satanist. He really was into torturing

1410
01:10:19,319 --> 01:10:22,199
and and he had a group of people that he

1411
01:10:22,279 --> 01:10:26,840
called his Satanic Crew, and they seem to take it

1412
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,920
pretty seriously. The one of the most infamous serial killers

1413
01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:33,520
was the.

1414
01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 3: Toy box Killer. I think he's called he was a

1415
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,079
committed Satanist.

1416
01:10:39,079 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 8: So like some of the serial killers, and there's evidence

1417
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:47,279
actually that Dahmer was too, So there is some truth there.

1418
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:50,640
But then what happens is the people who wanted to

1419
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,359
debunk this came in and they actually satirized it and

1420
01:10:55,399 --> 01:10:58,840
sensationalized it and made a lot of ridiculous stuff. For example,

1421
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,039
the one of the books from the Satanic Panic is

1422
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:04,880
Michelle Remembers And if you I've read the book, if

1423
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,119
you read it like it kind of starts out being

1424
01:11:07,159 --> 01:11:10,039
plausible and then towards the end of the book, it

1425
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:13,359
just turns into these really outlandish, ridiculous claims that she's making,

1426
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,520
like like the devil shows up and dancing at their

1427
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,119
rituals or some something ridiculous, and that really discredits her.

1428
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,359
Speaker 3: And then Martin Orne, who.

1429
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:25,199
Speaker 8: Was the CIA literally a CIA founder of the False

1430
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:28,479
Memory Syndrome Foundation. The people who found the False Memory

1431
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,880
Syndrome Foundation to debunk all of the children claiming to

1432
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,039
have undergone ritual abuse are all from the CIA, and

1433
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:38,119
some of those people were arrested for being child prawn

1434
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,239
pushers themselves, and you can look that up.

1435
01:11:41,279 --> 01:11:46,520
Speaker 3: That's all on record. So I think there's truth and.

1436
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,039
Speaker 8: Like exaggeration going on with the eighty Satanic panic. But

1437
01:11:53,119 --> 01:11:55,960
as we fast forward to today, I mean, I think

1438
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,800
we have plenty of you know that you can find

1439
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,920
girls on TikTok being very candid about the fact that

1440
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,880
they see their abortions as actions of ritual offering. So

1441
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,600
they may not be theistic Satanists. They may be Wickens

1442
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,600
or whatever they think they are. Maybe they are said

1443
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:16,760
like like, it doesn't like it's manifesting as people acting

1444
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,479
on Satanic principles and Crolean types of principles, whether they

1445
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:25,920
themselves are explicitly ritual magician practicing you know, crole heites

1446
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:26,199
or not.

1447
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. Yeah, that's so interesting.

1448
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 7: It does feel like there's always fucking black magic going on,

1449
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,279
whether any of these shirts. I would just drove by

1450
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,079
the Taylor Swift is performing in Toronto. I just drove

1451
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:42,560
by the fucking craziness that's going on down here, and

1452
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,680
the colors and everything that's they got going on the

1453
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,640
light show. It just feels like there's a lot of

1454
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,399
symbolism that they like to use with these people.

1455
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 3: Definitely.

1456
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,199
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's kind of what you know, my books focus

1457
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:56,239
on in terms of film in Hollywood, the meaning and

1458
01:12:56,279 --> 01:12:59,760
the you know, the coding behind that symbolism. And my wife,

1459
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:02,560
she's got a couple of books that she did and

1460
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,840
those cover a lot of the pop stars. And yeah,

1461
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,600
I think there's I mean, like we've all seen this

1462
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,399
with Marina Bramovisch, right, I Mean you might have doubted

1463
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:13,640
this with like Katie Perry or whatever, but you know,

1464
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,720
Marina Bramovich is pretty explicit about her you know, witchcraft

1465
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,000
tendencies and worldview. So it should be it shouldn't really be,

1466
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,560
you know, in the realm of theory, it's pretty pretty

1467
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:26,279
factual now.

1468
01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:29,239
Speaker 7: I think that was one of the most interesting moments

1469
01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:32,960
during the COVID times for me was what obviously Bill

1470
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,119
Gates becomes, you know, a very high head in the

1471
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:40,840
whole conspiracy aspect of COVID. But then while that's going on,

1472
01:13:41,119 --> 01:13:45,840
Microsoft drops a four and a half minute advertisement featuring Ramovic.

1473
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:47,399
Speaker 3: I did a video on.

1474
01:13:47,359 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 8: That, and they basically buried it like it wouldn't it

1475
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:51,560
wouldn't be shown.

1476
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,399
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's crazy to see.

1477
01:13:55,039 --> 01:13:57,159
Speaker 7: I mean Microsoft got rid of the advertisement right away,

1478
01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:00,439
but like nothing ever came about that.

1479
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,239
Speaker 6: I feel like that story comes with went to bed.

1480
01:14:02,119 --> 01:14:04,520
Speaker 7: And as you said, I guess they're putting away the

1481
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:05,479
content about it.

1482
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think this is starting to break though.

1483
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,039
I mean a lot of even the younger generation, who

1484
01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:18,680
you know, we criticize zoomers a lot, but like a

1485
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,600
lot of them are like they don't care about celebrities,

1486
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,640
which is interesting, you know, they don't care about this

1487
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,399
older model of like you know, like I'm supposed to

1488
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,520
give a shit with Madonna thinks, right, like in nineteen

1489
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,680
ninety eight, like you know, Madonna could talk about something,

1490
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,399
and that carried a lot of weight, and I think

1491
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,039
nobody cares about what these idiots, you know, pop stars are.

1492
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 3: Saying more and more.

1493
01:14:40,039 --> 01:14:43,159
Speaker 8: So that's a good sign that we're moving away from

1494
01:14:43,399 --> 01:14:47,039
from that just mindless idea of like following these idiot celebrities.

1495
01:14:47,039 --> 01:14:49,119
That was a huge stranglehold for so long, and the

1496
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:53,039
culture was, you know, people just deferring to these idiot celebrities,

1497
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,319
all of whom were obviously just kind of you know,

1498
01:14:55,399 --> 01:15:00,039
tools of the left and basically socialism and degeneracy. So

1499
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,680
that's a good song. I mean, it's not all it's

1500
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,600
not all bad. People are getting tired of all this

1501
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:06,399
just gross stuff.

1502
01:15:08,319 --> 01:15:11,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's nice to see. I mean even my now,

1503
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:12,600
I don't know whether.

1504
01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 7: It's a good thing or bad thing, because it feels

1505
01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:16,600
like some of some of it's just the attention just

1506
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,920
goes to smaller people and now like my sister just

1507
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:24,520
gets all of her opinions from eighty different TikTokers.

1508
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's there's still issues because you know,

1509
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,560
TikTok's obviously some kind of like some kind of weird

1510
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:38,079
to advance my control thing. I don't understand it, but yeah,

1511
01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:41,039
I want to. I mean, I still think overall this

1512
01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:43,199
isn't net positive in terms of Twitter. I mean, I

1513
01:15:43,239 --> 01:15:46,039
know there's a lot of criticism of well it's not.

1514
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 7: You know this, but look, I mean this is are

1515
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,600
you joining are you joining Blue Sky soon?

1516
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 8: I've just heard about that the other day from Jamie.

1517
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 3: I don't really know what it is, but I just heard.

1518
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I heard it's woke Twitter. And if you say

1519
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,319
any thing, it's like your band in the day.

1520
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:03,399
Speaker 3: I told Jamie that.

1521
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,319
Speaker 8: I was like, well, if all the people who are

1522
01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:07,920
mad at Twitter are leaving for that, it can't be good.

1523
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:09,199
Speaker 3: It's got to be like woke Twitter.

1524
01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, I want to get your thoughts on ghosts

1525
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:15,600
and paranormal shit.

1526
01:16:16,039 --> 01:16:20,079
Speaker 6: So, I mean ghost it's on category paranormal shit.

1527
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:26,039
Speaker 7: I'm gonna call like abilities, whether that's like levitation, remote viewing.

1528
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,319
You hear about these kind of stories of the CIA

1529
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,520
studying kids with abilities, Yeah, you think about that.

1530
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 8: All those things are real. I mean the programs are

1531
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,840
real first and foremost. We've David Patrick, Harry and I've

1532
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,239
done a podcast, for example, on Project Stargate from the

1533
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,920
from SRI and Gateway process to CIA. So I mean

1534
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:46,880
all those things are real. You know, we've been covering

1535
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,680
those for a long time. I don't know how effective

1536
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,199
remote viewing is. I mean, it doesn't see it doesn't

1537
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:55,800
seem to be like super reliable, So it's not gonna

1538
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,760
be that great like in a you know, wartime or

1539
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,199
spon I setting. It's kind of a little bit reliable.

1540
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:04,640
So but it does seem like there's something there. People

1541
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,800
really are having some success with remote viewing, so I

1542
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,119
wouldn't be surprised in terms of you know, kind of

1543
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,000
sixth sensibilities going.

1544
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 3: On with people.

1545
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 8: I don't think there's like X men, you know, mutants

1546
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,199
that are evolving to be superhuman or anything gay like that.

1547
01:17:21,319 --> 01:17:22,359
Speaker 3: I think that's ridiculous.

1548
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 8: I do think there are spirits that are here, malevolent spirits, ghosts.

1549
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,800
I do kind of tend towards that that I don't

1550
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,640
I don't really understand how it works, because even in

1551
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,920
the Orthodox tradition, you know, we do have this idea

1552
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,640
that the the dead do kind of hang around for

1553
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,119
a little while, so and we that's the word the octures.

1554
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 3: We pray for the dead.

1555
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,279
Speaker 8: So we do believe there is a connection between the

1556
01:17:49,319 --> 01:17:51,840
living and the dead. How it all works we don't

1557
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,960
really know is kind of mysterious, but yeah, I do.

1558
01:17:54,039 --> 01:17:57,000
I do tend to think that ghosts, Poultergeist, that kind

1559
01:17:57,039 --> 01:17:57,760
of stuff is real.

1560
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 3: I don't have any set views on cryptids.

1561
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 8: I guess there could be, you know, some creatures and

1562
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,359
things that are real that we don't know about.

1563
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,239
Speaker 3: I watched a lot of those kind of videos.

1564
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:15,079
Speaker 8: For fun, you know, like Slaptad, slam Ham and James

1565
01:18:15,159 --> 01:18:16,119
la Fleur and all.

1566
01:18:16,079 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 3: Those kind of channels for fun. But yeah, I'm open

1567
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:19,279
to those things.

1568
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:23,319
Speaker 8: But I don't think that the EB like aliens coming

1569
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:24,279
to us from another planet.

1570
01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 3: I don't believe in any of that stuff.

1571
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 8: Okay, I think anything like that is terrestrial. It's not

1572
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,640
you know, coming to us from Pliades or whatever.

1573
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 7: So I mean, I know flat earth coin was in

1574
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,960
the in the booth earlier here. If if the if

1575
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,239
you were to get away from Earth is the globe,

1576
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,239
let's let's just play with a different theory.

1577
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 6: Would you lean flat Earth or would you lean hollow Earth?

1578
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 3: Between those two, I would lean hollow.

1579
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1580
01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1581
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,239
Speaker 7: I do find like the whole Middle Ages, like you know,

1582
01:18:55,279 --> 01:18:57,159
the Lord of the Rings, the Hobbit stories.

1583
01:18:58,279 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 6: I do find that's pretty interesting.

1584
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's fun to speculate with these kinds

1585
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:03,119
of theories.

1586
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:10,279
Speaker 3: I'm familiar with, you know, the people arguing that, you know, Tolkien.

1587
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 8: Was Actually when we did our TV show, I remember

1588
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,960
there was an episode where I think Jay Wiener was

1589
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,000
the first to throw that idea at me, where he

1590
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,000
says something like his view about because we did an

1591
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,399
episode in Lord of the Rings and he was saying

1592
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,760
that he thought that Tolkien had stumbled across like old

1593
01:19:25,119 --> 01:19:28,800
you know, Norse documents and things that actually told the

1594
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,920
real history about yeah, about there being like a Yeah,

1595
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:33,640
that was his kind of out there theory.

1596
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 3: Which I thought was interesting.

1597
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,159
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean I think that you know, actually,

1598
01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:40,760
another thing that has always made me think that might

1599
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:44,760
be possible is Plato's dialogue Fayeto.

1600
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:45,520
Speaker 3: Have you ever read that?

1601
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 8: If you read that, actually Socrates in there talks about

1602
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,399
dimensions and like going into the inner parts of the earth,

1603
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,880
and yeah, he speaks of it like there being like

1604
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,680
a whole other world and civilization.

1605
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,119
Speaker 3: So he doesn't explicitly well.

1606
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:09,359
Speaker 8: Actually I can't remember exact term he uses, but it's

1607
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,840
it's it seems something like that. So that to me

1608
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,439
seems plausible. I've looked at and listened to a lot

1609
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,800
of Flatters stuff. I just never really found it that convincing.

1610
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Hollower is interesting to me because I remember

1611
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,000
hearing about even like the Nazi stuff in Antarctica.

1612
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 2: Uh.

1613
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 7: That brings up a story of some Air Force pilot

1614
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:31,319
who was going down there to check it out, and

1615
01:20:31,319 --> 01:20:34,000
then he ended up flying down a hole and he

1616
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:36,760
talks about seeing a whole new world in the middle

1617
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:37,239
of the Earth.

1618
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 3: Well he didn't Bird say that? Or Bird says that too,

1619
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:42,600
about like when he goes over the ice.

1620
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 8: Wall he found a other civilization. Isn't that the story

1621
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:46,439
of atimal bird too?

1622
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,319
Speaker 6: Yeah? Because a bird finds New Schwabland, right.

1623
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't I don't remember what? Yeah, what is that?

1624
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:58,239
Speaker 7: I think it's something about Schwab Or he finds New Schwabland,

1625
01:20:59,319 --> 01:21:02,439
which was the see Bass at the time, and that

1626
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:08,920
ties into Klaus Schwab and his family genealogy apparently. Okay,

1627
01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:14,199
all right, I gotta I think you're right on most

1628
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:15,479
topics here we'll give.

1629
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,399
Speaker 6: I want to give you something that we'll watch out

1630
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:19,560
play the last couple of years.

1631
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 7: This whole Diddy stuff, I feel like everybody, whether even

1632
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,920
my girlfriend you know, is reading all about the Diddy stories.

1633
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:31,800
How do you think this is going to play out?

1634
01:21:32,079 --> 01:21:34,640
Is he screaming like a burden? There is this going

1635
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,159
to be like the Epstein situation where nothing ever happens.

1636
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:39,399
Speaker 3: It's a good question.

1637
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 8: My suspicion is that he was probably in some way

1638
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:47,960
a compromised asset, going back to what early two thousands

1639
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,680
where he was first investigated by FBI, I think, is

1640
01:21:52,079 --> 01:21:52,439
that right?

1641
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember? You know what I'm talking about?

1642
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,279
Speaker 6: And this goes back is that when that's for the

1643
01:21:58,319 --> 01:21:59,560
Park and Biggie Murders.

1644
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,560
Speaker 8: I don't remember what it was about, but he was

1645
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,880
in trouble initially and somewhere around two thousand and two

1646
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,039
or three, and I forget exactly what it was over,

1647
01:22:08,119 --> 01:22:11,680
but the FBI was you know, looking into him or something,

1648
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,960
so he could he could have been compromised since then,

1649
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:17,880
you know what I mean, and working for you know,

1650
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,039
different people at different levels to you know, basically do

1651
01:22:21,079 --> 01:22:23,159
a mini Epstein for the music.

1652
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 3: Industry or something.

1653
01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 8: And this kind of follows the model of what people

1654
01:22:27,079 --> 01:22:30,239
have said about other you know, music industry moguls in

1655
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:33,399
the past. Too, So it seems to follow a pattern

1656
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,520
of what people say about the music industry.

1657
01:22:37,039 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 7: I walked a really interesting video yesterday that was from

1658
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:46,560
some independent journalists up here maybe putting the ties Trudeau

1659
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,920
with the Diddy stuff. So interesting and how Trudeau's wife

1660
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,399
has left him and this and that.

1661
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 3: Oh I saw somebody alleging.

1662
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,239
Speaker 8: The problem is that it was like a not a

1663
01:22:56,319 --> 01:23:01,079
very trustworthy profile on Twitter. But they were alleging a

1664
01:23:01,079 --> 01:23:03,760
attendance of Trudeau at a Diddy party, which is not

1665
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:06,359
outside of the realm with you know, possibility. It seems

1666
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,520
very plausible because you know, he was partying with the

1667
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,560
Obamas and Beyonce, all kinds of people.

1668
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 7: Hey, I heard you do a pretty good Jordan Peterson.

1669
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:21,680
So I'd like to know what Jordan Peterson thinks of

1670
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,560
Justin Trudeau and how he's running Canada right now.

1671
01:23:26,359 --> 01:23:29,239
Speaker 3: Well, you know what's a nightmare. It's a fucking nightmare,

1672
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:32,079
you know, And if I was to start talking about it,

1673
01:23:32,079 --> 01:23:33,199
I might just sort of crust.

1674
01:23:35,399 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 8: No, Actually, my my Peterson is actually one of my

1675
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,319
weakest impressions. I do about fifty I've got him all

1676
01:23:41,399 --> 01:23:44,840
category catalog but made by Jim Bob. You should have

1677
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,880
him on. He does a way he does a perfect

1678
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,800
Jordan Peterson, he's the best before, but mind pails.

1679
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 3: The comparison is.

1680
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 6: It was a wild story to watch play out. To

1681
01:23:55,079 --> 01:23:58,640
see his fame. I mean he taught a couple of

1682
01:23:58,640 --> 01:23:59,199
my cousins.

1683
01:23:59,239 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 3: Oh well, uh.

1684
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is all local. To see the way he

1685
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:09,399
got fired and then his blow crazy story, crazy story.

1686
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1687
01:24:10,079 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 8: I've never I've never had a I've never hated Peter.

1688
01:24:13,079 --> 01:24:15,479
I've always kind of liked him overall. I mean I've

1689
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,560
had some criticisms about, you know, kind of the blind

1690
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:23,920
spots and like certain areas of uh my first big

1691
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,720
criticism was the classical liberal phase that he was in,

1692
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:30,000
and I made a video about seven years ago critical

1693
01:24:30,039 --> 01:24:30,279
of that.

1694
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 3: And that was prior to Pagoe Jonathan Pagoe.

1695
01:24:36,319 --> 01:24:40,239
Speaker 8: You know, kind of getting close to Peterson, and then

1696
01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:45,239
they linked up, and Pajoe and I didn't really initially

1697
01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:47,880
get along that well, but we've we've come to get

1698
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:48,720
along good.

1699
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,079
Speaker 3: We got to where we get along pretty good.

1700
01:24:50,079 --> 01:24:52,039
Speaker 8: We did an interview a couple of years ago that

1701
01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:54,680
was pretty good interview, I think, and uh.

1702
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,359
Speaker 3: So, you know that's been a positive influence.

1703
01:24:58,359 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 8: I would say Peterson's definitely moved further away from the

1704
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,239
classical liberal stuff, which he's very critical of.

1705
01:25:04,279 --> 01:25:06,279
Speaker 3: Now they're they're openly critical of the Enlightenment.

1706
01:25:06,319 --> 01:25:09,159
Speaker 8: So I like to see them moving in that direction,

1707
01:25:09,279 --> 01:25:11,279
and I think, you know, I'm happy for the influence

1708
01:25:11,319 --> 01:25:16,000
that Pego has had for sure on Peterson. But yeah,

1709
01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:20,039
I mean it's going to be interesting to see where

1710
01:25:20,039 --> 01:25:21,760
that goes and how that plays out. I mean, I

1711
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,119
thought he did really good in the Matt dill Huinty debate.

1712
01:25:25,239 --> 01:25:26,960
I just wish he had gone a little bit harder

1713
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,520
because he could have really crushed him.

1714
01:25:28,399 --> 01:25:30,399
Speaker 3: In about the middle of that debate with he was

1715
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:31,039
using a kind of.

1716
01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 8: A transcendent argument. He did pretty good against Dawkins. I

1717
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,399
could he could have gone a little bit stronger.

1718
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, so.

1719
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 6: This year is the debate staged kind of your go

1720
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:46,119
to right.

1721
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:51,039
Speaker 3: Now, Actually not really. I mean I most enjoy doing

1722
01:25:51,119 --> 01:25:53,039
kind of the comedic stuff. I think the highlight of

1723
01:25:53,039 --> 01:25:53,840
the year for me.

1724
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 8: Was going on Sam Hys podcast. I was kind of

1725
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,520
a thing I was looking forward to from any years.

1726
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,119
I didn't think that was actually gonna happen, so so

1727
01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:04,159
that's what I kind of enjoy.

1728
01:26:04,199 --> 01:26:04,520
Speaker 3: The most.

1729
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,520
Speaker 8: I've had a lot of fun doing a lot of these,

1730
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,119
you know, stupid songs that I make up on the fly.

1731
01:26:09,279 --> 01:26:10,039
Speaker 3: That's a lot of fun.

1732
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 8: So that I get the most joy out of doing

1733
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:16,600
the comedic kind of just wild live streams. People really

1734
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,640
like the debates and I get a lot of support

1735
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,439
from that, so I don't mind doing it, but it's

1736
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:22,800
not actually my favorite thing to do.

1737
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:28,399
Speaker 6: Now I think this is a good chance. Actually, I

1738
01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:30,279
know you stream on a bunch of different platforms. You

1739
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:31,479
mentioned rock Finn earlier.

1740
01:26:32,319 --> 01:26:34,359
Speaker 7: For those of us that are just so buried on

1741
01:26:34,399 --> 01:26:37,560
Twitter to get our conspiracy content, you kind of have

1742
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,720
to go to these other platforms exactly because you sit

1743
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:41,479
down and whatnot.

1744
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:44,079
Speaker 6: Can you give us some where where would you find you?

1745
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:44,359
Speaker 1: Where?

1746
01:26:44,359 --> 01:26:45,520
Speaker 6: Where are you streaming your stuff to?

1747
01:26:47,079 --> 01:26:51,359
Speaker 8: Well, I've amazingly, miraculously have always been able to thank God,

1748
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,680
to still be on YouTube, so I'm always there. I

1749
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,239
don't obviously post kind of the spicier stuff there. That's

1750
01:26:58,359 --> 01:27:00,680
a lot of times for like members and stuff, because

1751
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:02,840
I have a members section and all that. We've done

1752
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,000
that for about ten years. But yeah, I am on

1753
01:27:06,119 --> 01:27:08,439
rock fin and I'm a big fan of rock fan

1754
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,720
because first of all, they've been really good to me.

1755
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,520
They've been a huge supporter for about three maybe four

1756
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,800
years now. They were really i think innovating in terms

1757
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,319
of you know, paying people in crypto and moving in

1758
01:27:21,359 --> 01:27:21,880
that direction.

1759
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 3: I think that was a good move.

1760
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,399
Speaker 8: And that that helped me, I think a lot in

1761
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:29,239
terms of just even learning, you know, the mechanics of

1762
01:27:29,279 --> 01:27:32,520
a lot of stuff with crypto, just because they i mean,

1763
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,439
if they pay you in crypto, you're kind of like

1764
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,199
forced to, like, you know, learn all that element in

1765
01:27:37,239 --> 01:27:39,479
that side of stuff because I wasn't really into ethereum

1766
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,760
and learning about and understanding how all the DEXes work

1767
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,479
and all that even when I was into crypto, until

1768
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,439
you know, okay, well now you have to be involved

1769
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,680
in it because they're paying you in a crypto built

1770
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,520
on ethereum. So so yeah, I'm always on rock Fin,

1771
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,640
and I think they have a great model because it's

1772
01:27:57,159 --> 01:28:00,640
it's kind of like Netflix, except that when you subscribe

1773
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,760
to the members content on the Netflix, on rock Fin,

1774
01:28:05,359 --> 01:28:07,600
you get access to everybody. So they have this unique

1775
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,840
model of like you pay fifteen dollars or whatever and

1776
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:15,159
you get everybody's paid content. So and they're pretty good

1777
01:28:15,279 --> 01:28:21,159
about like free speech over there. So I'm a big

1778
01:28:21,159 --> 01:28:23,319
fan of Rock I think we you know, I kind

1779
01:28:23,319 --> 01:28:25,840
of linked up with rock Fan before there was Rumble

1780
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,960
popping off, so I never really I had some Rumble

1781
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,760
people reach out a couple times and when I talked

1782
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,840
with them, but the situation that I had with rock

1783
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,279
Fan was just so much superior to kind of what

1784
01:28:36,359 --> 01:28:40,039
Rumble could offer. And I'm not anti Rumble, like I

1785
01:28:40,039 --> 01:28:42,399
still have a lot of content stuff over on Rumble,

1786
01:28:42,399 --> 01:28:44,760
it's just I'm not There are a lot of long

1787
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,640
story short I put most of my time into YouTube

1788
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,560
and Twitter and rock Fin and then I'm also on

1789
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,680
Instagram quite a bit, and I do have a TikTok,

1790
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,439
but I keep every time I put up so I

1791
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,119
get a strike. And so since I built up five

1792
01:29:01,119 --> 01:29:04,640
thousand followers on TikTok, I have two strikes and I'm

1793
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:05,359
waiting for those.

1794
01:29:05,239 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 3: To go away. So I don't really I'm not really

1795
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:07,520
putting much.

1796
01:29:07,399 --> 01:29:09,279
Speaker 8: Stuff, but I find that really the only thing I

1797
01:29:09,279 --> 01:29:12,439
can get away with on TikTok is like clips of

1798
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:14,840
religious debates, So it's like that's it. Like anything else

1799
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,840
I put up immediately gets a community violation.

1800
01:29:18,119 --> 01:29:19,279
Speaker 3: So it's just super annoying.

1801
01:29:19,319 --> 01:29:24,119
Speaker 8: I've always hated TikTok, but and even though I'm kind

1802
01:29:24,119 --> 01:29:26,720
of shadow banded on Instagram, I can still get away

1803
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:27,760
with quite a bit over there too.

1804
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 3: So anyway, those are places to define me.

1805
01:29:31,079 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 8: All the fourth hours that I've done of Alex over

1806
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,279
the last four years, those are all on bandout Video.

1807
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:41,000
Most of that's also migrated to Twitter and rock Finn too,

1808
01:29:41,159 --> 01:29:43,279
so so yeah, you can find me at these place.

1809
01:29:43,319 --> 01:29:45,520
Also at my website, jason Alsis dot COM's all the

1810
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,760
archive material, so yeah, that's where you can find me.

1811
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 6: Are you ever doing any Twitter streams like live Twitter streams?

1812
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:54,520
Speaker 7: I know, I just know X is getting bigger, like

1813
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:56,520
Elon has been pushing the video platform.

1814
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 3: I'm not trying.

1815
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 8: So I tried a little bit, and I was using

1816
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,439
stream labs to multi stream, and it was just kept

1817
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:07,560
being a big hassle. And I noticed that if I

1818
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,479
live stream to Twitter, I actually get less views than

1819
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,720
if I just post the entire video to Twitter.

1820
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 6: Oh it's so interesting.

1821
01:30:15,079 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 8: At this stage, there's not really much of an advantage

1822
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:19,800
for me. It's actually a disadvantage to try to multi stream.

1823
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,199
Speaker 7: I'll understand that. Okay, my last question for you don't

1824
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:25,880
want to take any more of your time. When a

1825
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,600
world event happens, where are you going to get your

1826
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,079
news and how are you discerning it?

1827
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:33,159
Speaker 3: You know, I.

1828
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:36,159
Speaker 8: Usually follow the model of checking a lot of different

1829
01:30:36,279 --> 01:30:39,399
sources because I want to see even what the mainstream

1830
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,159
is saying. So I'm going to look up like a

1831
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:45,359
lot of the alternative news sites. I'll check info Wars,

1832
01:30:45,359 --> 01:30:48,520
I'll check even mainstream stuff like Drudge. I mean, I

1833
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:49,960
know it's terrible, but I want to see what the

1834
01:30:50,039 --> 01:30:51,319
narrative of the establishment is.

1835
01:30:51,319 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 3: So I go there.

1836
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 8: I will obviously check Twitter, what's trending, I'll check all

1837
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,199
the different you know, latest videos. And I remember, like

1838
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:02,479
you said, like it's burned into my mind in March

1839
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:06,840
of twenty twenty, looking at all of those viral videos

1840
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,359
of the people collapsing in China, you know what I mean,

1841
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,520
Like and thinking looking back on that as like that's

1842
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,479
all probably a much a bullshit, that's probably all fake,

1843
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:14,039
you know what I mean?

1844
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 3: Like, why was there from covid? I meant I.

1845
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,359
Speaker 8: Got the flu or whatever they was saying was quote

1846
01:31:20,399 --> 01:31:23,840
covid during the and I didn't fall over and pass

1847
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,560
out like some thirty pound Asian dude.

1848
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,159
Speaker 3: Anyway, I don't know what that was.

1849
01:31:29,239 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean I'm gonna be checking you know,

1850
01:31:33,079 --> 01:31:35,800
obviously Twitter and places like that.

1851
01:31:36,279 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 3: Telegram, I do use Telegram.

1852
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,239
Speaker 8: I forgot about Telegram drives me crazy because I don't

1853
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:43,000
know how I like, I've had the same five thousand

1854
01:31:43,079 --> 01:31:46,399
followers on Telegram for like a year, so it never grows.

1855
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,119
I don't know what the secret is to that. I

1856
01:31:48,199 --> 01:31:50,199
just I post shit on there and I just kind

1857
01:31:50,199 --> 01:31:53,960
of ignore it. I also can't stand the layout of Telegram.

1858
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,439
It gets on nurse, but I guess it's necessary to

1859
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:58,520
have all these things. But also Telegram does have some

1860
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,600
good channels for news and information that are not, you know,

1861
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:02,840
us censored.

1862
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've also noticed this. It's probably all you guys

1863
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:07,640
are way ahead of me on this, but.

1864
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 8: I've noticed that yandex actually is Google from twenty fourteen.

1865
01:32:12,119 --> 01:32:14,800
So everything that you looked up and you wanted to find,

1866
01:32:15,279 --> 01:32:19,199
like even like obscure conspiracy blogs and websites, if you

1867
01:32:19,319 --> 01:32:21,800
use yandex, it's exactly what Google used to be in

1868
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:26,359
like twenty fourteen. You're just breaking news to me. I've

1869
01:32:26,359 --> 01:32:28,960
never heard of this. Yeah, it's like it's a Russian

1870
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,880
search engine that basically doesn't sensor, so it's one of

1871
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:34,039
their bigger search engines.

1872
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,279
Speaker 3: It's better than Doug dug O. Doug dug O sucks,

1873
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,680
but yandex Worth Well, okay, good to know.

1874
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 6: This is this is this is world changing here, folks.

1875
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,520
Speaker 8: Well, it's huge for like research, right because like if

1876
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:51,119
you remembered a bunch of articles or papers or essays

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you know from like twenty ten, twenty two thousand and

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eight that you can't find anymore.

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Speaker 3: I mean Google is tweaked to not let you find

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that shit on purpose, you know.

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Speaker 6: Oh it's crazy. Oh, I appreciate this all right. I

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know you got a new book. We got what's it

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called here?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's kind of like a collection of all of

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the blog posts for about ten years for the most part.

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Now it's all the blog posts that aren't the Hollywood

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movies because the Hollywood analyzes those are all in ESWODEARK

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Hollywood one and two.

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Speaker 3: So those are separate books that came out several years ago.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, that's the most recent book that I've been

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pushing for the last year, and it's just kind of

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a way to keep and save all the things that

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I wrote for about ten years, because in twenty eighteen,

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my whole website got.

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Speaker 3: Deleted by WordPress.

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Speaker 8: So I was censored and deleted because I was covering

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controversial topics. I was deleted the same hour that Alex

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was banned from everything, which is interesting because I wasn't

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associated with Alex in twenty eighteen, but I was classed

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in with that category, and so they just kind of

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did a sweeping delete of of a bunch of people.

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So I had to rebuild, you know, do everything kind

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of from the ground up, build a new website and everything.

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So that's just all that is is those essays about theology, philosophy, deal, politics,

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and some other topics. But I'm working on Star Hollywood

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Part three right now, so that'll be the completion of

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the trilogy of the Hollywood books. So I've got a

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little over around three hundred pages, so I'm trying to

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write the last one hundred pages in the next couple

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of months.

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Speaker 7: Epic comedian podcaster, author Jay Dyer, Dude, I really appreciate

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your time.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for coming on here.

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Speaker 8: Thank you guys so much for being supporters and for

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the donations, and really cool. Really appreciate you guys, and

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keep up, keep up that Matt Hatter crazy ten full

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Hatter ethos you got going.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll do man. I really appreciate you coming on here.

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The idea is to kind of keep doing these. Yeah, obviously,

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take break anytime. Take an inspiration from you, guys. I

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am looking at kind of getting more video platform the

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YouTube's and the and the other platforms coming.

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Speaker 8: I'm about to go live by the way, if anybody

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wants to, I'm gonna do a breakdown of the We

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do a lot of movie breakdowns, so if anybody saw

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that movie Herotic, I thought that was pretty good. We're

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gonna do a breakdown of that pretty soon here on

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my channel.

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Speaker 7: Love it all right, folks, let's get over to Jay's

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channel and watch that, ladies and gents, Chris, was Kyle

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Levis your favorite ten fold realist not Theorist? Episode seven

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of Sonic Shadows with Jay Dyer. Jay, thanks again, appreciate

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this big time.

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Speaker 3: Bro any time.

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Speaker 6: Thanks all right, man, we'll talk again.