1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,879 Speaker 1: It is the VIC Gelvesinc. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 2: Breakdown time of Jumped out Brick this year with you, 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:05,480 but the comprehensive one at. 4 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,839 Speaker 1: Both the VIC twelve and chapters. 5 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: Week begin each and every week with our hot takes 6 00:00:13,839 --> 00:00:20,199 as we always do, and I'll start with my hot 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:25,640 take this week. Tom, I'm gonna say this, I will, 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,480 I can, I can be humble and uh, you know 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,399 what at Arkansas fans say, Oh lord, it's hard to 10 00:00:33,399 --> 00:00:37,679 be humble when you're an Arkansas Razorback fan. Well, it's 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,119 I don't think it should be hard for Arkansas fans 12 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:40,560 to be humbled. 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:41,359 Speaker 3: These days. 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,759 Speaker 2: They've been humbled what event. But I will be humble 15 00:00:45,759 --> 00:00:48,159 and admit that I was wrong about Vanderbilt. I said 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,119 that at the beginning of the year that I did 17 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:55,079 not think Diego Pavia was gonna take that big step up, 18 00:00:55,679 --> 00:00:57,079 another step forward. 19 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: And I did not think that Vandy was going to 20 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,439 be a contending team. 21 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:04,799 Speaker 2: Tom, I'll flip the pendulum around completely looking at what 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,879 they have. They got Texas this week in Austin, Auburn 23 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:13,519 at home, Kentucky at home, and Tennessee at home. They 24 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:16,920 need to win three out of their last four, and 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,640 Vanderbilt is locked in the college football Playoff. I don't 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,519 think they'll win all four, whether it's Texas this week 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,040 or Tennessee at the end of the year, they. 28 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:29,159 Speaker 1: Will lose one of those. 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,599 Speaker 2: I do expect them to beat Auburn in Kentucky, but 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,400 I do think they are going to go three and 31 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,280 four in that stretch and we will see Clark Lee, Diego, 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,680 Pavia Dejovon, de Jovonn's mom, and everybody in the college 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:44,400 football playoffs. 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: The Vanderbilt Commodorees will be there. 35 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,319 Speaker 2: That's my hot take this week that Vanderbilt is a 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:51,640 college to wall playoff team. 37 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:54,159 Speaker 1: I'm in, He's in, you know. 38 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: I love that. I hope so. 39 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:58,599 Speaker 4: Uh And then I think, you know, in a season 40 00:01:58,599 --> 00:02:01,159 where my team's then I might be fighting for the 41 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:06,640 Commodorees here. I love that too. Theo von at the 42 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,560 College Football Playoff electric you know, and I think, did 43 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:12,000 you see. 44 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,199 Speaker 1: Him hanging with the Diego's mom the other night? 45 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: I did, Yeah, he finally got it done. 46 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: Uh. 47 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: He was actually talking to uh Andrew Santino, comedian Andrew Santino. 48 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,039 He he didn't mention the mom, but Andrew Santino did ask. 49 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:27,319 He was like are you are you dating? 50 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 3: Right now? He goes, well, I've. 51 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 4: Seen a couple of different women, and he had mentioned 52 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,039 some flight attendant, but he didn't mention Diego's mom, which 53 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:37,719 he did. 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,439 Speaker 1: Not mention Jess Simms from college game to either right. 55 00:02:41,039 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: No, he wasn't going to mention that now, I don't 56 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,159 think so, but yeah he did. He did ask. 57 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 4: He did ask if THEO was dating, and he kind 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,360 of I don't know if he skirted around it, but 59 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:54,599 he he did mention that he was. He was in 60 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,919 the game, so be interesting to see. Uh maybe Vanderbilt, 61 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,680 imagine Uderbuilt wins it all somehow and camera pants it's 62 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:05,639 ad O kissing Diego's. 63 00:03:05,159 --> 00:03:06,199 Speaker 3: Mom live on camera. 64 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,319 Speaker 1: I'm here for it. 65 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 3: Brent must bring back Musburger on. 66 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: The call, please please do all right, So that's my 67 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:13,759 take this week. 68 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,759 Speaker 1: Vanderbilt is a playoff team, Tom, Where do you want 69 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:15,919 to go? 70 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,199 Speaker 3: Usually I'd go to Oklahoma State. I'm not gonna do 71 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:19,759 it this week. 72 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: I'm gonna wait until after I'm gonna go to the 73 00:03:22,039 --> 00:03:23,120 other Oklahoma school. 74 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,319 Speaker 3: You can put this on the round table. 75 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:29,039 Speaker 4: Oh, you was going to lose to Tennessee this week 76 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:35,639 at Rocky Top and We've seen Brian Kelly recently get fired. 77 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,039 We talked about James Franklin getting fired that if if 78 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,800 Franklin gets fired, well, hell, anybody can get fired. 79 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: I think the seat is a little bit warmer in 80 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,159 Norman than we even know. Jones. 81 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: Here's my question to you. My hot take is just 82 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:58,560 playing that Tennessee will beat you in Knoxville this weekend. 83 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,759 My question is not you, is if my hot take 84 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:05,759 becomes true, does OU fire Brent Vinnables. 85 00:04:07,319 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: So I've thought long and hard about this and being 86 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,639 on the OU beat now for the second week crazy. 87 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:15,719 Speaker 1: By the way, I've. 88 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: Spent all this time around OU over there's the first 89 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,519 time I've actually covered OU full time. But I think 90 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:29,240 that OU is a completely different situation than most of 91 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,759 these schools. 92 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:31,639 Speaker 1: And these coach firings. 93 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,439 Speaker 2: For one, there is a respect level for Brent Vnables 94 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,120 that is different at Oklahoma compared to James Franklin at 95 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,800 Penn State and Brian Kelly at LSU. And the respect 96 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:48,160 level is they like him. Brent is one of their own, 97 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,519 he is family. James Franklin, Brian Kelly, those guys were 98 00:04:51,519 --> 00:04:55,000 outsiders and they were not well liked. So that is 99 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,959 a difference. Vnables gets the benefit of the doubt there. 100 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:02,639 Oklahoma tends to treat themselves more like a traditional program. 101 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,560 We don't see the mid season firings. You know, I 102 00:05:06,759 --> 00:05:11,000 don't think OU has any excitement. We have not heard 103 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,920 from any of these boosters at all stepping up to 104 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:16,079 the plate said Hey, I'm willing to be that one 105 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:22,240 to pay that buyout. Yes, it should have everybody on edge. 106 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,319 And we've talked about with Jenny Carlson on this show 107 00:05:24,399 --> 00:05:27,639 just a couple of weeks ago, that if James Franklin 108 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,279 can go, if Brian Kelly can go, And Brian Kelly 109 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,120 was hired at the same time as Vinnables was He's 110 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,800 won more games in that stretch than Brin Vinnibles did 111 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,079 and he. 112 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: Went to an SEC championship. 113 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: I mean, heck, I was going over the numbers and 114 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:51,319 Kirk Signetti, Uh, you know he's he's done better uh 115 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:55,279 than Venables has in a two year stretch. 116 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: Corbreto Inventables has done in four years. 117 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:00,519 Speaker 2: You know, there there's there's a number of examples, and 118 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,279 I know the expectation should be, Hey, this is year four. 119 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,879 Why is Oklahoma not competing for SEC titles and competing 120 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,319 for a national championship. 121 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,959 Speaker 1: That should be the expectation. 122 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 2: I hear all of y'all, and I agree, But. 123 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: Think about this, who's the ad at Oklahoma? It's joke 124 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:26,680 sticklar home. Does Oklahoma want Joe c in his final 125 00:06:26,759 --> 00:06:29,759 year as athletic director to be in charge of a 126 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:30,519 coaching search? 127 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,439 Speaker 2: And do they want to make it a messy breakup 128 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:36,839 with Joe C of saying you know what, Joe Ce, 129 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,160 we don't trust you to do this coaching search. We're 130 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,560 going to overstep and we're going to take over the 131 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,519 coaching search and not let you decide who's going to 132 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,160 be that next guy. I think OU has been very 133 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,800 much about image and their brand. I think it's going 134 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:54,759 to have to be a straight up collapse to the 135 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,199 very end of the season before Oklahoma would let go. 136 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,079 Speaker 1: Of Brent Vinibles. 137 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,319 Speaker 2: You may not I like that answer, and believe me, 138 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,160 I herr you a Sooner fan, But I think that's 139 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:06,519 OU situation. 140 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,839 Speaker 1: It's different than the others. Whether it's right or wrong, 141 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:10,920 you be the judge. 142 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,639 Speaker 2: But I think O you is treating this as a 143 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,720 much different animal than these other schools are. 144 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:17,399 Speaker 1: For the reasons I laid out there. 145 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: Tom, you make a good point. 146 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: With Joe's situation his last year, you don't necessarily want 147 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:28,480 to task him with that. And then I look at, Okay, 148 00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:33,360 who's available right now? Right obviously the coaches that got 149 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:38,399 fired don't. Oh, you would never hire Brian Kelly. It'll 150 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:40,319 be a cold day in hell for that, ever happens. 151 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,079 James Franklin, I maybe, Or do you go get John Summrall, 152 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,240 or do you go get GJ. Kenney or you know, 153 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,639 any number one of these other coaches that you could coach. 154 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,120 I think immediately if Venables was fired, oh, you immediately 155 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,680 goes to the top of the hot board. Is the 156 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:04,160 best coaching job available, obviously, and they could have pretty 157 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,759 much their pick of the litter here if that's what 158 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,879 they wanted to do, in my opinion, And you do 159 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,920 make a good point, though, I think Venables maybe I 160 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,800 wouldn't call him. I mean, he's obviously OU family, He's 161 00:08:19,959 --> 00:08:22,360 you know, he's been there, he has his history there. 162 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: He's not quite like Gundy at OSU or whatever right now, 163 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,120 but he's similar to that. 164 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 4: It and it took Oklahoma State a while, and it 165 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,840 really took an absolute shitting the bed event for OSU 166 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:38,879 to get rid of Gundy. 167 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: Right, And I'll say this about Venables, what's different about 168 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,200 him compared to also those others you mentioned Gundy, Brian Kelly, 169 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:50,440 James Franklin. The big thing that bv has done wrong 170 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,679 is just the results in the football field. He's well 171 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,440 liked in the community, in the locker room, how he's 172 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:04,320 carried the program, you know his gear right, like, those 173 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,840 things are all thought of as well and good. The 174 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:12,039 same can't be said for James Franklin, Brian Kelly, Mike Gundy. 175 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,799 There were other issues with those guys outside of just 176 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:19,360 pure results that Brent Vinables doesn't have. 177 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: If Brient Vinables was not well liked. 178 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,639 Speaker 2: Then I think we would be talking about, yeah, is 179 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,279 this a loss this week? 180 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: Is Vinables done? 181 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: That's not the case because if he doesn't have those 182 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,480 factors working against. 183 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: It, that is true. I mean, likability, UH could save 184 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,519 him this year. I think, you know, I think if 185 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,279 they do like I said, I think if they lose 186 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,200 to Tennessee, you still have you still have LSU on 187 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,559 the schedule, you still have Alabama, you still have some 188 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,960 tough games left. I think in the final four games 189 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:57,240 left I mean, I think they need to Obviously they 190 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,960 need a push, and it's I wouldn't is it. I'm 191 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,399 trying to think here, is it jover yet? If you 192 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:07,039 you could win your last four and and some other 193 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,879 chips could fall and we could see maybe, oh, you 194 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,879 getting a bit more favored here. But from from what 195 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,000 I think, from what we saw against Old miss and 196 00:10:19,039 --> 00:10:22,720 you know, obviously against Texas, I think you know, but 197 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,480 tear being injured, even though he didn't say that was 198 00:10:25,639 --> 00:10:29,639 just because of his hand, I think, oh, you was 199 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,159 building on for next year as well, been Arbuckle. I thought, 200 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,759 you know, outside of your outside outside zone. I thought 201 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,559 he is in my opinion and upgrade from the last 202 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,960 guy to say the least. But I think, oh, using 203 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,720 a fine spot. I do still think they'll lose to Tennessee. 204 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:48,759 Speaker 3: I just had to. 205 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,879 Speaker 4: I had to sound off on on your thoughts on 206 00:10:51,879 --> 00:10:53,120 on Ventibles if. 207 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:55,759 Speaker 3: If oh, he was to lose or does lose this 208 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:56,600 week because. 209 00:10:57,159 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: Giving me some content for the website, I appreciate I 210 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:06,039 gave you. Yes, I know you, sir. You mentioned Brian Kelly. 211 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,559 Let's talk about him and his firing. 212 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:10,279 Speaker 2: Uh here for a moment, Todd, let's start off with 213 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,399 Brian Kelly factor, and then let's talk about the LSU 214 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:12,960 jeb after that. 215 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, Uh, from day one, this was an odd fit. 216 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: I think it reminds me of when Brett Biltmit went 217 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,960 to Arkansas, where you got a guy that's a Yankee, right, 218 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,000 He's a Northerner coming to the South, trying to play physical, 219 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,799 hard nosed football and he just doesn't understand the culture 220 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:33,279 at all. 221 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: It means more it's different around there. You know, the 222 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,200 fake Cajun accent, my family and all that. I mean, 223 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:41,480 it was. 224 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 2: It just wasn't gonna work from the jump. And that 225 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,639 doesn't mean that Brian Kelly's not a good coach. It 226 00:11:47,799 --> 00:11:48,679 just doesn't mean. 227 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,039 Speaker 1: That he was right for the situation at LSU, and 228 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,399 he made a lot of enemies and a short amount 229 00:11:53,399 --> 00:11:54,120 of time there. 230 00:11:54,519 --> 00:11:57,759 Speaker 2: I think Brian Kelly, you know, I would think he's 231 00:11:57,799 --> 00:12:01,240 probably gonna go somewhere are totally out of the South 232 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,120 for his next job. Maybe it's a UCLA or Stanford 233 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,279 or you know, some northern job of sorts. He's gonna 234 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,159 want out of the South because he didn't fit that 235 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:12,600 at all. 236 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: But at the same time, even though Brian Kelly is 237 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:17,120 a good coach. 238 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:23,279 Speaker 2: I do think the firing is justified in that Brian 239 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,120 Kelly wasn't getting the results. They weren't meeting the expectations 240 00:12:27,159 --> 00:12:32,960 what l SU wanted. There was no sign of optimism 241 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,840 that things were going to turn around and. 242 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: Head in the right direction. 243 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: Remember they were as high as top three in the 244 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,840 polls at one point this year. Nuss Meyer, you know, 245 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:45,440 was projected to be a heis and contender in a 246 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,720 first round pick, and that just never came to fruition. 247 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: And here they are at three losses. 248 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: They're pretty much out of the college football playoff fight, 249 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,080 they're out of the SEC title hunt. 250 00:12:56,519 --> 00:12:58,919 Speaker 1: There was just no reason to be optimistic anymore. 251 00:12:59,039 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: And so with that and him being not liked and 252 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,960 not treating people the right way. I heard your boy 253 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,120 Andrew Whitworth come out this week and say that he 254 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,600 reached out to Brian Kelly multiple times saying, hey, I 255 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,200 want to help out my alma mater, and Brian. 256 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: Kelly basically told him to kick rocks. 257 00:13:19,919 --> 00:13:22,759 Speaker 2: You know, and and Andrew Whitworth is an awesome dude, 258 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:25,080 you know, like you don't want wit around like that 259 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,320 doesn't make any sense at all, so Tom like starting 260 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,639 with that into things LSU. You know, was it a 261 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:35,279 quick decision? Was it something that they had to do 262 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,480 right now? I didn't have to. But I don't blame 263 00:13:38,519 --> 00:13:40,600 him for doing it whatsoever, because I don't think this 264 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:41,879 thing was ever going to get on track. 265 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, and everything I've seen from players and former players 266 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,360 about Kelly it says pretty much said he was just 267 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:53,240 a shit person. Hindsight maybe twenty twenty. But do you 268 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:55,279 remember when they first hired him and he got on 269 00:13:55,279 --> 00:13:58,600 one of those three sixty cameras, Yes, with the players, 270 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:01,200 it's so weird. I was like, but you don't have 271 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:04,639 that swag. I knew from that time on. I was like, yeah, 272 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,360 this is not gonna this is not gonna end. Well, Uh, 273 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,720 did you see did you see they asked coach Oh 274 00:14:12,759 --> 00:14:16,600 about returning. Uh, and he said absolutely. 275 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 2: He said he'd come back, even as an assistant under 276 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:20,519 Lane Kiffin. Yeah. 277 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:22,559 Speaker 3: I thought I saw something. He said I'd drive there today. 278 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:28,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well that'd be I don't know, for for TV purposes. 279 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,279 Imagine coach Ow teaming up with Mike Gundy and Baton 280 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,720 Rouge Man. 281 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: That be fun. 282 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 4: They'd have to do like a hard knock segment of 283 00:14:40,039 --> 00:14:42,440 some some sort I would need it. 284 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,799 Speaker 1: So now L s U Tom this this job opens. 285 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,799 Speaker 2: And you know, on the surface level, L s U 286 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,960 Tom would be the best job on the market when 287 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,919 you look at location, conference, UH, facilities, history, L s 288 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,000 would be the best job. 289 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:04,159 Speaker 1: But there's some other factors involved that make this a 290 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,000 little bit messy. Let me explain. 291 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: Scott Woodward is the ad and he gave Brian Kelly 292 00:15:12,519 --> 00:15:16,000 over fifty million dollars in buyout money. And he also 293 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,200 gave Jimbo Fisher over seventy million dollars at Texas A 294 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,879 and M. And he's the guy running your athletic department. 295 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,840 It's not ideal and it doesn't sound like he's going anywhere, at. 296 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: Least for now. And then the president for LSU, that 297 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,279 position is vacant. They're still looking for one. 298 00:15:32,919 --> 00:15:37,679 Speaker 2: And so the governor of the state of Louisiana is 299 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:41,039 kind of running things as the de facto president of 300 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:45,000 the university, Jeff Landry, and he has come out and 301 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:50,440 said that that Woodward there's no way he is going 302 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,440 to choose the next head coach. He said, hell, I'd 303 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,600 rather have Donald Trump pick our next head coach than 304 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:02,120 Scott Woodward. So maybe Woodward's on the way out and 305 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,200 he just doesn't know it yet. 306 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: But Woodword was caught off guard by those comments. 307 00:16:05,879 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: So you got the governor of the state running things 308 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,440 an ad they had no confidence in, and they don't 309 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,960 have a university president. So if you're a head coach, 310 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,960 you know, it's just it's just like what you see 311 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:19,960 in the NFL, where you want to be in a 312 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,879 stable position with you know, an owner you trust, a 313 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,000 GM you trust, and that's what and a quarterback too, 314 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:29,360 and that's what makes a really good job. LSU has 315 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:33,559 all these great things going for them, but with these 316 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:37,919 major concerns when it comes to the leadership in charge, Tom, 317 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,039 that's going to really limit who you can hire for 318 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,120 being your head coach. I know that, you know, in 319 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:47,240 a perfect world, LSU would love a you know, a 320 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,840 Nick Saban or an Urban Meyer or you know, one 321 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:55,480 of these proven big coaches, and in normal circumstances, LSU. 322 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,559 Speaker 1: Could probably get who they wanted. 323 00:16:56,759 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: But with these other factors, I think realistically, if you're LSU, 324 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:04,359 you're like, well, hopefully we can get Lane Kiffin, Hopefully 325 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:05,119 we can get. 326 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: John Gruden or some of these guys. Because if if 327 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:08,240 you don't. 328 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: Have stable leadership, then uh that that that job doesn't 329 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:13,839 doesn't feel well. 330 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,519 Speaker 1: You want to know what you're you want to know 331 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:16,519 what you're walking into. 332 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:18,759 Speaker 3: Yeah. 333 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,279 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think for that reason that they fall 334 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,880 down the list a bit. You know, we've we've mentioned 335 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,920 how you know, Florida isn't the same job that it 336 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,640 was maybe in its past, and I think that LSU 337 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:37,519 is kind of falling down that same path, not as drastically, 338 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:41,799 but there are If you're a coach going to a 339 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:47,319 new program and you want to say, hey, let's take 340 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,039 a look at pros and cons, I think you I 341 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:53,160 think you'd be blind to not see some of the 342 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,359 red flags at l s U. 343 00:17:56,279 --> 00:17:56,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. 344 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's a ton of potential there. 345 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:05,480 I think they can get a great coach, but they 346 00:18:05,559 --> 00:18:08,480 got to work out a lot of things. And Tom, 347 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,000 I don't know how this works out timing wise, because 348 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,799 you know, these the regular season still only got what 349 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,759 four or five more weeks left. But if I were 350 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,720 m s U, I would get rid of Scott Woodward. 351 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,559 I would go find a university president and try to 352 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:25,599 get all of that done in the next few weeks 353 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:28,839 before I'd go higher my next head coach, because that 354 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,480 next head coach is going to be limited. Uh, you 355 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,359 know your option is gonna be limited if if you 356 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,319 don't know who your leadership is. I think they're they're 357 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,559 they're best off taking care of that now before they 358 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:43,319 go that way they can get their their best potential 359 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,519 options for who should lead their program. 360 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 361 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean the time was now and and this 362 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,279 gives you enough enough time to kind of settle down 363 00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:55,200 for a second and say, Okay, who do we want 364 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,039 to be. They're not in the same position as maybe 365 00:18:58,079 --> 00:19:00,839 Oklahoma State and figuring out, Okay, who do we want 366 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,839 to be? But I still think if you're that athletic 367 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,519 department or you get to be on that board, you 368 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:10,440 do ask that question, you know, what what is our 369 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,680 identity going forward? I think anybody that fires a coach 370 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,680 is the number one question as well, who do we 371 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,160 want to be? 372 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,759 Speaker 3: And they'll have to they'll have time to answer that. 373 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right about that. Let's talk a 374 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:29,680 couple more headlines and then we'll break down every game 375 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,680 in the SEC and the Big Twelve. This week. 376 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,759 Speaker 2: Tom Arch a little banged up, making good progress, but 377 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:40,960 uncertain if he will play against Vanderbilt. They already have 378 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,880 two losses on the year. They squeak by Kentucky, they 379 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,359 squeaked by Mississippi State. Probably should have lost Missisippi State 380 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,799 last week. They were down about what eighteen in the 381 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:55,039 fourth quarter. Tom, I think this is the way Texas 382 00:19:55,039 --> 00:20:00,240 gets that third loss and then that's it one. You 383 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:03,960 lose three year out of it, Texas. You can only 384 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,359 get away with so much for for so long. 385 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: I'll give credit. Arch has played some better football. 386 00:20:09,839 --> 00:20:13,319 Speaker 2: He's not the reason why that they barely won these 387 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,599 games the last couple of weeks. 388 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:16,599 Speaker 1: He's played better. 389 00:20:16,759 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: But even even if Arch plays a banged up Arch 390 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,519 going against Vandy, I don't think it's a great recipe 391 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:26,599 for Texas. 392 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't think so either. And I think they. 393 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 4: Bendy has them or my gun for them a lot, a. 394 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 3: Lot, much more than they previously thought. 395 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 4: And I think there are worries there, especially if you're 396 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,480 a Texas fan, that hey, this despite you know, losing 397 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,359 against Vanderbilt Pryor, and we don't want to do that again. 398 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,119 There there's a bit of a concern I think in 399 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,480 d k R about hey, well, we can't take this 400 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:55,039 game Light. 401 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: I think there is an upset alert brewing. 402 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: I know you're right. We'll see we'll pick pick that game. 403 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,759 Speaker 2: More coming up in just a bit, A big twelve 404 00:21:05,799 --> 00:21:11,480 headline for you, we talk about fired coaches. Tom, I 405 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:17,079 have a new new coach for the Neil Brown Memorial 406 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:20,960 to add to this list of a name that could 407 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,559 be on the outscer soon but has held on for 408 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:24,880 dear life for quite some time. 409 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: How much longer does David Randa have at Baylor? They're 410 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,640 sitting at four and four. 411 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,039 Speaker 2: They play UCF this week, they host Utah, the following 412 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:37,839 week play at Arizona, and then they play Houston and 413 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,680 credit where credits do Houston's look fantastic? By the way, 414 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:44,519 big win last week against Arizona State. Granted Sam Levitt 415 00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:47,039 did get hurt in that game, but still nonetheless, Tom, 416 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,960 I'm I'm looking at this. They gotta win two out 417 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,640 of their next four to go to a bowl game. 418 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: I see. 419 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: At least two losses to Houston and Utah and alight 420 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,559 lose Arizona or UF here, Like, you know, what, what 421 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,400 does Randa need to do to save his job here? 422 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:10,559 Even get into a bowl game might not be good 423 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,400 enough for him to keep his job there. 424 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. 425 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 4: I think towards the beginning of the season, if you 426 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:21,440 remember we talked about I said, I think we talked 427 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,599 about most likely Big twelve coach to get fired this season, 428 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,119 maybe outside of my Gundy, and I believe, I said 429 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,960 Dave Randa, I don't think. I think his time is 430 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,880 is coming uh in Waco. I think his time is up. 431 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,480 And you know, short of a miracle, I think Baylor 432 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:46,359 will join, uh the college football carousel party that's going 433 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:48,839 the coaching carousel party that's going on right now. 434 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 3: And I don't blame him. 435 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 4: I mean, I think David Randa was a fine coach 436 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,880 when he first popped on the scene. He had Baylor 437 00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:03,720 Haman and then since then it's you know, he got 438 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,000 to that level and never reached above that level, just 439 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:09,400 kind of went back down the stairs a bit each 440 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,599 and every season. It just never really seemed to pan out. 441 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,599 I would not be shocked to see Dave Marna looking 442 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:17,400 for a new job. 443 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,039 Speaker 3: At the end of the season. 444 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to either. I very well could see 445 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:22,039 them making change. 446 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:24,559 Speaker 2: That's a program that's got a lot of money, great 447 00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:28,680 facilities too. Baylor is a good job, and I think 448 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,400 better job than what people realize. I do have one 449 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,279 more Big Twelve note, oh had tom. 450 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,759 Speaker 1: College game Day this week, going to. 451 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:41,839 Speaker 2: The Utah Cincinnati game, the first time they have been 452 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:48,160 on a Big twelve campus since Kansas hosted TCU three 453 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:48,839 years ago. 454 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,799 Speaker 1: Been a long time since game day has been in 455 00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:52,480 the Big Twelve. 456 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 2: However, they were at the Big Twelve Championship that same 457 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:58,720 year when TCU played Kansas State. 458 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: And they were at Red River that year. 459 00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: Of course, both those schools are gone now OU in Texas, 460 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,359 but it's been a minute since game day, it's been there. 461 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,079 The college football slate this week isn't that great? And 462 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,079 so I feel like, you know, ESPN is sitting there saying, 463 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,039 let's do the Big twelve a favor here, let's uh, 464 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:22,759 let's throw them a bone and give them game day, 465 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:25,279 because that's all Big Twelve fans are talking about. If 466 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:28,599 you listen to our buddies like John Kurtz and Pete Mundo, 467 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,240 they all been saying that the Big Twelve continues to 468 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,799 be disrespected by ESPN and be ignored and all this, 469 00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:36,839 and the voices have gotten louder and louder and louder 470 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:40,200 and now they're doing Game Day in Salt Lake, which 471 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,000 the iron E two time is the fact that Utah 472 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,279 is probably the most hated of all the new members 473 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:47,160 of the eight teams that have joined the Big Twelve, 474 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,640 you know, since since this has. 475 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: Happened, but that that goes on. 476 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:58,599 Speaker 2: At the same time, everybody Tom has been talking about 477 00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:02,319 T and t's coverage of the Big Twelve and how 478 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,400 good of a job they're doing with their Tier three package, 479 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,799 which includes, you know, one of the crappiest Big Twelve 480 00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:13,759 games every week and they do an hour long pregame show. 481 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,359 Adam Lefco, who's their studio host, does a lot of 482 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,240 NBA stuff, or used to. 483 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,519 Speaker 1: Do NBA stuff. A lot of people know him. 484 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: He took some flak for saying, hey, you know a 485 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,920 lot of people are ignoring this league, but we aren't. 486 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: We unlike those other networks. 487 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: We give a damn about the Big Twelve conference and 488 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,839 just went out of his way to say that. And 489 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,119 everybody's like, whoa where did this come from? T and 490 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,119 T and your third tier package? Take it up for 491 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,720 the Big Twelve. I mean, maybe that's the side of 492 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,559 good things to come of this potential partnership with the 493 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:49,880 Big Twelve and T and T. 494 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: T and T is gonna add some basketball games this 495 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:52,519 year too. 496 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: But without all being said, Tom, like you know, game 497 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:58,200 Day might go to a Big twelve school next week too, 498 00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:03,200 with BYU playing Texas Tech. But even if it is 499 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,200 a bone, if sorts the league is getting from the 500 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,839 Big Twelve, I'll still say it's a good it's a 501 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,960 good thing. It's a big deal to have game Day. 502 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,440 Big Noon's been to several Big twelve games already this year, 503 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,240 and you got. 504 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: This T and T thing going on. 505 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,319 Speaker 2: I understand the frustrations, I hear you, but this is 506 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,160 this is a good sign for the league to just 507 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,839 have this a step in the right direction. 508 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,559 Speaker 1: I would call it. 509 00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely agree, and I'd be shocked if they 510 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,119 go to Big twelve schools back to back that being 511 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,160 college game Day. But I have enjoyed T and T 512 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,240 True TV broadcast this year. I look forward to more 513 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:46,039 of that, and I think, you know, their statement, you know, 514 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,400 on their coverage has been great and I think they're 515 00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:52,119 you know, I think they enjoy I think they've enjoyed 516 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,599 it as much as we've enjoyed it. So hope to 517 00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:57,839 see that relationship continue and keep getting better each week. 518 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go through the slight again. We'll 519 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,400 start at the Big Twelve. Then we'll go to the 520 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,920 SEC here this week. Let's go ahead and get things 521 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,559 started here. Houston taking on West Virginia, Houston seven to one, 522 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,200 West Virginia two and six, Houston thirteen and a half 523 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,000 point favorites at home. Tom, I think we got to 524 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,519 start taking Houston seriously here seven and one, should get 525 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:23,079 a win this. 526 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: Week, eight and one, and now we are. 527 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: I think realistically talking about the Cougar is having a 528 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:32,960 shot at getting to the Big twelve title game and 529 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,039 a shot of making the College football Playoff. I think 530 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:38,519 they they actually belong in the conversation. 531 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,039 Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, that'd be incredible for Fritz to do. 532 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,039 Speaker 4: I think obviously obviously gonna say Houston will won this 533 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:52,200 TWEK against West Virginia, but them, like Cincinnati, been very surprising, 534 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,440 maybe even Houston more so. But yeah, I like what 535 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,920 Fritz has been able to do there. Excited to see, 536 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,279 you know, maybe what maybe Houston is our ore are 537 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,079 the team we're in the room for in the College 538 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:08,799 fall Playoff. I would have laughed of you to told 539 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:10,279 me that at the beginning of the season. 540 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:17,039 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's that's too funny. There also eleven am 541 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,920 U c F taking on Baylor. 542 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,759 Speaker 1: Uh. Tom. 543 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 2: Even though rand is on the hot seat here, this 544 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,480 this is one he should win at home against USEF. 545 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, he should. I think he. I think if he's 546 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,519 coaching for his job, he needs this one. 547 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,799 Speaker 4: Well, he needs all of them, but he definitely needs 548 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:36,680 this one, one game at a time for him. 549 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: Yes, indeed. Uh. 550 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:44,119 Speaker 2: Then at noon on tune to Arizona State and Iowa State. 551 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: This game in ames. 552 00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:48,359 Speaker 2: I feel like both these teams are out of the 553 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:54,240 Big Twelve championship and College Football playoff picture, and both. 554 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: Teams have been going through the injuries. 555 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: I don't know what Levitts status is, but that to me, 556 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,319 he kind of determines if Arizona State has a chance here, 557 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,400 they need Sam Lemitt as close to full strength. 558 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,359 Speaker 1: If not, then I'll go Iowa State. 559 00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Sam Levitt, Iowa State wle when this one. 560 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,640 I know Iowa State's banged up defensively, but you take 561 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,839 Levit away, then it equals the playing field a bit. 562 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,559 Speaker 3: It's an aam so I'll take out of State. 563 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: How about number thirteen, Texas Tech taking on k State. 564 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,400 The Cats with a very impressive win against KU on 565 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,160 the road last week. They're four and four. They're fighting 566 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,400 to make a bowl game. But Texas Tech sitting pretty 567 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:40,599 at seven to one, with an outstanding showing last week 568 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,680 against Oklahoma State forty two nothing win. Will Hammond out 569 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:49,160 for the year? Baron Morton not so sure what his 570 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,839 status is, if he's gonna be back or not. With 571 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,440 that said, Tom, I know k State's playing better, but 572 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,759 if Morton plays the Texas Tech should it should be 573 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,960 just fine, even if it's on the road in Manhattan here. 574 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. I want to say I 575 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,039 did see that. 576 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 4: Maybe Tech is without one of the running backs, but 577 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,400 they have two more that are good in that fold. 578 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 3: I think Texas Tech will be I think they'll be fine. 579 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:19,759 Speaker 2: Oh Lahava State taking on Kansas the Cowboys at one 580 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:24,759 and seven, the Jayhawks at four and four. KU after 581 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,039 that lost to Case State where they were favored last week. 582 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,680 Now they're you're keeping their fingers crossed about bull eligibility. 583 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,079 It doesn't look so easy now for KU. You got 584 00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:38,119 this Arizona, Iowa State, and Utah to finish out. KU 585 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,759 needs to win two of them to get to a 586 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:44,440 bowl game. Tom, you look at both these teams. This 587 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,519 is probably OSU's best chance to get a win left 588 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:50,200 on their schedule, and for KU this is a must 589 00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:52,160 win game if they want to get to that bowl game. 590 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 591 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,799 Speaker 4: I think this is the the last chance for Ishue 592 00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:58,200 to win another game in this season. 593 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,119 Speaker 3: I have no disc credit to Lancel. I pulled it. 594 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 4: Just that's just facts, you know. Clint Bowen, your boy 595 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,400 Clinton coming home, LFK. 596 00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: Get the man some pizza shuttle. 597 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna get some pizza shuttle in him. I 598 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,440 think he's gonna be fired up to be back home. 599 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,319 And I'll take KU here. I think, what's that line. 600 00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:22,279 I don't even know the line. 601 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: AU is a twenty four and a half point favorite. 602 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna just say, right out of the gate, pall 603 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,880 put twenty dollars on it. 604 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 3: Oh, it's you covers. 605 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 4: They probably probably will not win all right now, and 606 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,640 I'll drop this article on the round table here shortly. 607 00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:39,480 I got KU thirty one twenty four. I think it'll 608 00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:40,279 be close. 609 00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:44,559 Speaker 2: Okay, Arizona take it out, Colorado Arizona three and a 610 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:47,599 half point favorites Colorado at three and five, Arizona at 611 00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:48,400 four and three. 612 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: I'll say this time. 613 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,079 Speaker 2: You know, Arizona has looked better this year, Brent Brennan 614 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,079 in his second season. If Arizona is on the right track, 615 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,720 if this program is moving forward, these are the games 616 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,000 you can't lose if they want to be a Bowl team, 617 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,640 if they want to have optimism about going into twenty 618 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,279 twenty six. 619 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,759 Speaker 1: Can't be losing the teams like Colorado. 620 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:14,119 Speaker 4: Here, No, definitely not, and I don't think they will. 621 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,559 I think Arizona takes care of business. Three and a 622 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:21,200 half point favorite is act Colorado. Hey baby, it's getting 623 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,519 cold outside. It's definitely not as warm and bolder than 624 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,880 it is in Tucson, so we'll see. 625 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: I think they take care business. 626 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: Though, all right. 627 00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 2: And then Cincinnati taking on Utah. It is a little 628 00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:41,599 big twelve after dark action, and this one's gonna be 629 00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,720 a lot of fun. I think between the Bearcats and 630 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:51,039 the Utah six and two, they are about ten and 631 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:56,960 a half point favorites at home against Cincinnati, and to me, 632 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,480 I think we're just in for a treat with sores 633 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,640 By and you know, we'll see what the quarterback situation 634 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:06,640 looks like for Utah. I know they've played a couple 635 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,920 of different guys recently. Ten and a half seems like 636 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,559 a lot. I think I like Utah, Tom, but I 637 00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:17,839 think this is a game that's close to the very end. 638 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it is too. I know that Utah 639 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,920 is favored here. I'm gonna keep riding with Cincinnati. I've 640 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,039 been riding with him for the past couple of weeks. 641 00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,480 I like what they've been able to do this year. 642 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:32,279 I think we could very well see I mean, right now, 643 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:39,039 it's It's Tech Cincinnati BYU Houston, and you can you 644 00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:40,119 can throw in Utah. 645 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: For whatever it's worth too. 646 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 4: It's gonna be two of those four in the Big 647 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,200 Twelve championship game. 648 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,319 Speaker 3: I'm excited for this game. 649 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,039 Speaker 4: I know it's football game days, first time coming back 650 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:54,720 to Big twelve, but they're gonna put on a show. 651 00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: And Dann Pierre has been cleared from the injury report 652 00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:00,400 for Utah, so that's big for the Utes, but potentially 653 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,599 have him back. 654 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 2: Let's go through the slate of games in the Southeastern 655 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,960 Conference now, Tom, Let's start at eleven AM Vanderbilt in Texas. 656 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:16,440 Arch Manning status unknown Vanderbilt coming in very hot, one 657 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,800 of the best teams in the country right now, Tom. 658 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,679 Speaker 1: I think it's close. I know Texas is favored, but 659 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:24,760 I'll go Vandy on the road in Austin. 660 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm gonna ride with you there. 661 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 4: I think I've seen enough from Diego and Squad that 662 00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:35,880 I think they're gonna upset Texas and DKR this weekend. 663 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:41,639 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, we get Florida taking on Georgia. That game coming 664 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,400 up on two thirty at two thirty on Saturday, the 665 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,800 last time for a couple of years that the world's 666 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,559 largest outdoor cocktail party will take place in Jacksonville. As 667 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,400 they're about to do construction on the jag Stadium, They're 668 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,559 gonna move this game around a little bit. Georgia one 669 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:02,960 number five in the country. They look like a playoff team. 670 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,360 I don't expect this to be close. I know that 671 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,840 they're only seven and a half point favorites. To me, 672 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,400 I would hammer Georgia like. I think they win this 673 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,519 by at least two scores. 674 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. 675 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 4: I like Georgia here too. I mean, we'll see what 676 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,280 you know. Florida can put up a fight post Napier, 677 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,880 But yeah, George is gonna win by two scores I had. 678 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,840 I'm with you on the hammer. 679 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 2: How about this one Arkansas and Mississippi State. Arkansas at 680 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,679 two and six, Mississippi State four and four. Two things 681 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,320 to think about this one time is Mississippi State trying 682 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,239 to get both eligible. 683 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,639 Speaker 1: You need this Arkansas. 684 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 2: If Bobby doesn't win this game, then I think he 685 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,559 loses out on his chance to be head coach here 686 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:56,320 because there's just not many opportunities left to impress after this. 687 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,480 You take on LSUS fired their coach, Texas, who's not. 688 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: That great, and then Missoo. 689 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 2: I mean, I know Missoo's a good team, but they're 690 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,119 six and two here. I think you gotta win this 691 00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:10,760 if you're Bobby, if you're gonna keep that job. 692 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And you know they they had a good 693 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,800 first showing under Bobby. Didn't win, but I thought they 694 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:26,079 played very well for Mississippi State. Kind of quietly optimistic 695 00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,199 season for them. Obviously they're not gonna be playing in 696 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:34,440 any SEC championship anytime soon, but so far kind of 697 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,679 might be more of an optimistic season than when I 698 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,920 would originally thought for them. So you know, I'm gonna 699 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,280 I'm gonna ride Mississippi State. 700 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 2: Here other games on the slate, well, uh ole Miss 701 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,760 taking on South Carolina. Ole Miss twelve and a half 702 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,599 point favorites. Coming off that win in Norman against the Sooners, 703 00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,000 I like shameless shambles. 704 00:36:58,039 --> 00:36:59,159 Speaker 1: You know, he's been very good. 705 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 2: The defense was better than I anticipated against Oklahoma. They 706 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,679 got off to a fast start. South Carolina almost beat 707 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,119 Alabama last week but didn't quite get it done. Tom 708 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:12,360 ole Miss at home, coming off a win against OU. 709 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,679 I don't think that they're gonna have the letdown this week. 710 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,840 I think ole Miss keeps the train moving. 711 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, the old Miss really impressed me in Norman last week. 712 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,639 I agree, the kipping train keeps chew chewing. 713 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: Owe you and Tennessee. Tom picked Tennessee. 714 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick oh you and I have a couple 715 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:39,280 of reasons why Tennessee's defense is ranked about a hotter 716 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,039 and fifteenth in the country in points allowed per game. 717 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,440 That defense is bad and they could be without two starters. 718 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,960 That does not bode well for Tennessee at all. And 719 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,360 then the other reason, I don't trust Joey Aguilar six 720 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,719 interceptions led the country and picks thrown last year. 721 00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: That doesn't bode well for Tennessee. 722 00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 2: It's a must win game for Oklahoma to keep their 723 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,920 college football playoff hopes alive. Tennessee hasn't really played anybody. 724 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:15,920 Their best game all season was losing to Georgia at home. 725 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,480 I like Oklahoma. I do expect a lot of points. 726 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:23,840 It will be a shootout, but John Mattier and company. 727 00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:26,199 They find a way to do something they haven't done 728 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,639 all season, and that's fine. Balance in the offense, either 729 00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,559 the pass games really on or the run game's been 730 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:35,800 really on for ou with their running backs, it hasn't 731 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,280 been both of them on at the same exact time. 732 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,239 I like that to change this week, going up against 733 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,039 this horrendous Tennessee defense. 734 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: Give me the Sooners on the road. 735 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 4: I've told you why I think Tennessee. I think Tennessee 736 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,079 has been fighting all the year. Your concerns about quarterback 737 00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:57,239 position for Tennessee, I think are very valid. I'm eager 738 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,719 to see how OHU responds after that this sheartening when 739 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,679 lost he and sold them is at home. Last time 740 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,079 they lost, they went into South Carolina and got to win. 741 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,119 Could they do it at Rocky Top? Maybe it's my 742 00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:11,159 hot take this week, so I'm gonna keep it and 743 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,760 I'll keep Tennessee. 744 00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:16,039 Speaker 2: Kentucky take it out Auburn. Don't know why anybody want 745 00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:20,000 to watch this game. Kentucky two and five, Auburn four 746 00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:24,960 and for Auburn eleven and a half point favorites Tom 747 00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:28,159 with basically the only thing at stake here is the 748 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,239 job of these two coaches, Mark Stoops and Hugh Freese. 749 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,239 The loser might leave town, might be out of a job. 750 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,119 Kentucky's come very close to pulling off these upsets but 751 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,599 always comes up short. I'll say this, I'll go out 752 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,920 and limb Tom. This is the one Kentucky finally gets 753 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,719 it done. They beat Auburd, get the upset they've been 754 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,320 tried to get for three years. Over anybody, and Hugh 755 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,480 Freese walks out the door. 756 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,599 Speaker 3: I could see it happening. I definitely ConL see that happening. 757 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean he's he freeze as is good 758 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,000 as done at Auburn and we can be talking about 759 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:08,559 it next week. 760 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,199 Speaker 1: We very well could. 761 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,639 Speaker 2: And Jackson Arnold that experiment has not gone well, and. 762 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,599 Speaker 1: They're supposed to decide his status on Friday. He's been 763 00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:23,320 splitting reps all week with Ashton Daniels There