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Speaker 10: Man all right, John Moody, Welcome back to Jay Burdens Show.

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How you doing man? Good? How are you doing? I'm

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doing well as you can probably tell. I'm getting over

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ahead cold, so I don't sound good. I don't feel

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that bad. Yeah, man, I'm really glad to have you

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back on. This episode has been a while in the making,

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just due to the holiday season and all that. But

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I put out sort of an open request on social media,

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which I do very rarely, basically saying I want someone

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to talk to me about homeschooling, and your name came

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up over and over and over again. Now why does

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this map? Look, we understand that government schooling is not

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conducive to racing raising happy, healthy children who believe the

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sort of things that you and I do. It's probably

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an understatement, and so obviously our people going back, you know,

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a generation and a half, really have pursued alternative arrangements.

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It's seen massive growth of both you know, Christian private schools,

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I mean honestly charter schools, and also homeschooling. Recently did

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an episode with George Bagbee about the sort of dangers

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of the Christian classical movement. While look, I'm a product

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of it, I have great things to say about it,

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you have to understand that it's not a universal fix,

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that the people there don't necessarily agree with us on everything.

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And so I figured you'd be a great person to

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talk about homeschool right. One of the other main alternatives.

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So I guess it's just a way to get into this. John.

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What's your sort of career in education look like?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so I was public school. My public school education

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was interesting. I started well, I started actually at a

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private Catholic school growing up, and in seventh grade, when

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my mom and dad divorced for like the third or

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fourth time, that resulted in me no longer going to

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the Catholic school, I think primarily because of monetary issues.

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public school, and that was like a shocking change for

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me at that age, and because you know, I'm going

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into a school where basically all the kids had been

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together since kindergarten, and me and my cousin had been

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moved over from private Catholic school to public school and

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Speaker 10: And then probably you.

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Speaker 11: Know, late in my seventh grade year, I had my

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aunt as my mathematics teacher in seventh grade, so if

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Speaker 10: So she took me down to.

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Speaker 11: The principal's office and gave me a different version of

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the same test and made me take it again, and

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school program into the gifted program in the public schools,

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which the public schools are no longer allowed to have,

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because you know, being gifted is a bad thing, and

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you think that would have been good for me, And

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was terrible because I didn't have family supports. I have

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all these kids of like family members who are pouring

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into them, and I'm in now even more challenging classes,

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but without like the you know, the family girdle that

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made a lot of those kids do well. So I

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finished high school, I went to a public college on

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a full academic scholarship. I went to seminary on a

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full scholarship. And during seminary and during college, I started

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a tutoring business as a side business, where I tutored

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some public school kids. But I discovered the vast majority

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of the students in my tutoring business we're actually private school.

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money theoretically for a better quality education, and their kids

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still aren't doing well academically, So now they're spending an

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additional layer of money on me to make up for

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the lack. And so I got married in two thousand

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and five, right when I finished my master's with our

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first daughter in two thousand and six, we had a

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son in two thousand and seven. We now have six kids,

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and we basically homeschooled all six kids. My oldest is

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now just about to turn twenty. My second oldest is eighteen.

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eighteen years old. Probably if work goes well for him,

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he'll make sixty to seventy five five thousand dollars a

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year right out of finishing high school. No college debt,

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you know. So, so my wife was also public school.

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Speaker 10: You know, because.

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Speaker 11: Homeschooling, especially if you go the homeschooling route, it's a

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team effort. Your your wife and you generally are both

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going to be pulling waight and homeschooling. So my wife's

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background matters to this discussion as well. And I might

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even pull her in for some of the questions at times.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so several things there. I guess I should go

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through my background as well. I actually was homeschool from

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different way. I was, you know, getting in trouble. I

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wasn't progressing it the way and I was supposed to.

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kindergarten and basically just let me run around in the woods.

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and I think that was very good for me. I

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obviously eventually caught up, you know, could read at a

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you know, a college level very soon afterwards. But it

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just for me, traditional education wasn't working. And then you know,

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transferred to a you know, a classical Christian school, did

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well there and ended up as sort of this you know,

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odd dissident. I am now several things there to me.

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kind of doing a personal deep dive on the the

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economics of higher education because traditionally one of the big

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big oppositions to homeschooling or a private school is to say, oh, well,

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you know that will hurt you when you're trying to

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go to college. So several things. When I went to college,

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I learned literally nothing. I basically halted my you know,

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earning potential for four or five years, did really nothing

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of value. I mean, I had some positive social experiences,

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but in terms I can get those elsewhere, and you know, thankfully,

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because I, you know, did the classic community college four

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year degree. I didn't owe anything, you know, got enough

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scholarship to cover that, but basically put my life on

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hold for a long time for nothing. Okay, so we

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can look at it from that perspective. Is higher education

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worth it? But let's also look at the hard data

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on the actual economics of college right now. So it's

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really interesting. Bloomberg came out this a few months ago.

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The earning potential for a high school graduate and a

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college graduate for white men in particular, had reached one

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to one parody, which is why effectively there was no

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benefit for that let alone. What just came out today

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in Fortune. And when I mean today, I mean I

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read this article like twenty five minutes ago. Effectively, the

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unemployment rate for people with college degree is not only

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incredibly high, we're sitting in around a structural ten percent

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unemployment rate, but the rate of college students who graduate

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with a job immediately is incredibly low. It's below twenty

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five percent. And so that economic argument, at that economic

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argument rather is much much weaker than it historically has been.

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to head off on the pass and look like that

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doesn't mean that every single child should go into trades

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to start working out of high school, but to say,

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the idea that everyone needs to, but they're considered a

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failure if not, it is woefully outdate. Like the quality

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of education offered, the exclusivity has dropped to such a

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level where look, man, I've never had a job where

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I needed a college degree despite being college educated, and

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some of those jobs I quite well for myself. But

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it was simply an artificial sort of gold star earning program.

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a medical doctor, you know, If you want to be

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an architect, well I guess you can set for that

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exam in some states. If you want to be a lawyer,

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fair enough, you want to enter the professions. But the

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idea that this is the you know, one size fits

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all you must go through the traditional school pipeline. To me,

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that idea is horribly out of date. But I'll throw

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it back to you John.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. No.

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Speaker 11: One of my most controversial posts on Facebook, I think

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last year or the year before is Bloomberger. Someone had

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a bubble bubble chart of the long term economic value

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of different degrees, and the vast majority of college degrees

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Bloomberg's chart showed, just on their own were net economic

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negatives for the people who got those degrees. There is

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only a handful of degrees where the cost of acquiring

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that degree actually long term was great. And then when

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opportunity cost of acquiring those degrees, my post had just offended.

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I think the post got maybe like five hundred six

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hundred shares. It reached, you know, over a million some people.

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My basic thesis was for the majority, so not for all.

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For the majority of young men, college is a net

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economic negative when you're honest about the debt, carriage and

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the time cost even for supposedly good degrees, let alone

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for the hundreds of worthless degrees at all on people,

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you know, physical.

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Speaker 10: When we say worth and when we say worthless. Let's

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acknowledge that currently the degrees which are being hit hardest

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It is the useful degrees. And when I put that

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They did a difficult thing and in a well functioning society,

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those are things which should reward them. But uh, guess what, Bud,

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That's not how America works now. And I understand that

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there is a real, a real problem with downward social mobility.

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turkey legs under Christmas made super easy.

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Speaker 10: This is one of the things that I think that

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that baby boomers do not understand when talking to young people.

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They do not understand that for the vast majority of

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millennials and Gen Z, they are downwardly mobile. They are

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poorer than their parents and grandparents were, largely at every stage.

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And so I understand that there is a natural reticence

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to you know, going from being you know, the child

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of a p professional who now works as a skilled tradesman. Right,

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that feels like you're slipping down the economic ladder, and

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fair enough, man, I understand that. But at the same time,

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how much is that relative prestige worth to you? Because one,

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if you're a dissident, guess what You're never going to

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earn it anyway. You already have opinions which preclude you

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from live social you know, approbation, but also which matters

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more to you passing through the genetic filter, basically saying

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like I have enough resources, I steady enough work to

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have a home, have a family and get through this

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or to be like one of the many people kind

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of stuck in, you know, the corporate rat race, who

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are desperately trying to conceive a child in their mid

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forties and they end up with a you know, a

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genetically scrambled, you know, goblin child. To be blunt about it,

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because they've spent the vast majority of their lives, you know,

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in an office setting, and I'd say that somewhat comedically, right.

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I understand that it's a very difficult position to the end,

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not really in the game, so to speak, because they

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whoever you construe, they as they control that prestige network.

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And in my mind, this is exactly the problem that

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you see often in private education, that the stated preference

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of many parents in private education is to create you know,

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this sort of renaissance man to create someone well educated,

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a defender of the faith, you know, pick your bromides.

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But the revealed preference, what they actually want is a

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college prep school, and those are two entirely different things,

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especially when as often said again in my episode with

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with Bagbe, what are we paying for? What are we

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paying for for you to fail my child or for

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you to you know, say, something teaches them something that

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will harm them in their professional world or in the

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higher education. And so I think that that gap between

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stated and revealed preference sort of hinges on that issue

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of prestige.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, it's I think Aaron Wren has done

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a great job talking about this issue that conservatives and

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conservative Christians are so enamored of being respected, you know,

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they're so much more concerned about being respected by their

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enemies than by actual outcomes. And this has led over

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into how they view education, where the end goal is

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to try and make respectable children, even if it destroys

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the kids in the process economically and morally, rather than

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raising children to actually succeed in the world as it

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is for them.

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Speaker 10: No, certainly, no, let's go back to homeschooling, right, What

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would you say the value proposition, if we can use

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economic language of homeschooling is how Maybe it's an overly

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simple question, but why do people embark on something that

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is relatively difficult to do well?

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Speaker 11: Most people homeschool by conviction, you know, It's not primarily

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driven by economic considerations. Most people I know who are

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homeschooling are doing it basically out of sheer conviction that

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it is, given the options they have available to them,

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the most faithful, best option for their family, and most

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of them view it as generally speaking, the best path

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forward for raising children who will actually be able to

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have functioning families in future generations on a timeline that

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where I'm actually going to be alive when I when

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my grandchildren.

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Speaker 10: Are born, you know.

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Speaker 11: So the economics of homeschooling are interesting because a lot

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of this bleeds into my other writing and work on

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how you view your home, you know, because for most people,

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they see homeschooling as a net economic negative. Your wife

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generally has to be taken out of the workforce. You're

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now trying to reproduce certain aspects and facets of communal

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education settings on the individual level, which is time and

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resource wise inefficient.

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Speaker 10: But for us.

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Speaker 11: The way we've done homeschooling is homeschooling has generally been

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a net economic gain for us because our household it

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self is an economic unit. And so like when we

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had our Elderberry Syrup business, when I need workers to

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make Elderberry syrup orders and we're getting twenty thousand dollars

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of Elderberry syrup orders in a single month, I just

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take my children with me to the certified kitchen and

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we put on great literature in the background. So we're

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listening to Moby Dick or we're listening to History Unplugged

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while we're making one thousand dollars an hour in Elderberry syrup.

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As a family, and we're doing homeschooling, you know, so

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the economics for our family has been a little bit

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different than for other families where the dad and his

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vocation are completely sundered from the home and family. But

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even in some families where the dad isn't there, I

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know moms who are doing home bakeries as part of

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homeschool or they're doing these other businesses where the kids

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are not only getting educated, but we're restoring the economic

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value of children in the family unit, which begins to

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change some of those equations.

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Speaker 10: There's another interesting element to this. Friend of the show,

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Johann Kurves. His book Leaving a Legacy has just come out.

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I'll have him on soon for a review, but it's very,

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very good, and one of the things that he talks

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about is contrasting the sort of the relatively recent idea

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of a professional meritocracy as it comes to a business

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with the idea of a family business, right, something you

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pass down from one generation to another. And one of

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the things that he talks about there is the data

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for family businesses are actually much stronger than they are

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for sort of a generic company. They tend to outearn,

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they tend to have a competitive advantage when it comes

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to management stability, and one of the things that he

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talks about is that you can effectively start training your

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replacement from age ten instead of from age twenty four.

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You know, when some bright, bushytailed kid comes in fresh

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out of college to your company, assuming that as soon

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as he walks in the door, you say, I want

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you to take over the company, so we know as

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not how that happens. And so I think that that's

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an interesting element as well. You can sort of reframe

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this from you know, training a worker to sort of

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go out and compete in a job market where they

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are competing effectively with the entire world, right, not literally

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just those in your company, but you know, thanks to

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the wonders of globalization, you're competing against a you know,

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an ever greater number of people. But you can basically create,

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as you've said, a home that is an economic unit.

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You know, use the labor you have in your own

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economic unit, and then also sort of supercharge that development process.

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Now you have someone who is much more competent because

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they have had something expected of them. Admittedly in a

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controlled setting. You know, you're not just sending your four

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year old down in the mind saying come back to

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four hundred pounds full, right, Yeah, but you're training someone up.

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And so I think that's another element to this, especially

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if you have a if you have some sort of

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family business, if you have some sort of enterprise, it's

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a huge advantage. You know, you don't need to effectively

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use you know, nights and weekends to try to teach

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your kid about the family business. You can just have

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them around all the time, which I think is a

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huge advantage. Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Well, and it's been for our kids, you know. So

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I have a fifteen year old son who's worked in

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my various businesses since he was eight, nine, ten years old,

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and we were at a judo tournament a couple years ago,

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and you know, these martial arts tournaments have to have

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somebody run the mat, which is make sure the right

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players are matched. You know, it's it's a not easy task,

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Like adults fail at it all the time if you've

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been to martial arts tournaments. And so that my son

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at the time's like thirteen years old, and he notices

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the adult in charge of this mat is just drownding,

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you know, and so he just walks over and he

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takes over running this mat for the rest of the

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day at thirteen years old. So he's a thirteen year

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old boy, and they're just all of these adults looking

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at him, letting him tell them what to do, because

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you can. You can give your kids competence and skills

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and presence and all of these other things that then

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carry over into actual real life, Unlike trapping them in

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a classroom setting thirty forty hours a week, and then

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when they end up in real life, there's a complete disconnect.

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Between their education and real life's expectations on them.

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Speaker 10: Oh, one hundred percent. And I think that I'm about

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to say something which is often trotted out as an

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excuse for underperforming children that are simply bad behave badly behave,

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or lazy. But there is a real aspect to the

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fact that education is not one size fits all. And

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I say this from personal experience. I developed slowly and

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then at a much accelerated pace and came out fine. Yeah,

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I know how to read, I know how to do math,

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all that sort of stuff. And the idea that the

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sort of one path through life is to get a

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kind of typical nine to five office job, this is

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the thing I've never been able to do. And I

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say this is someone who's you know, worked in the trades,

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worked in a factory, had a collection of odd professional

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jobs that were not typical, you know, the sort of

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jobs where you may, you know, work sixty to seventy

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hours a week or ten dependent in that sort of

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highly variable Jamming your child into that, especially if they

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don't fit it. Okay, sure, sometimes it works, sometimes they

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can form. But there are a number of people for

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whom that just will not work. And one of the

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things I noticed with home schooling, both from my own

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experience and as an outside observer, is that it gives

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you a certain level of freedom to sort of work

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with the child in that way. And I noticed this

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from even my other friends who were home in school.

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Again many times they have certain eccentricities that would have

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been very difficult to manage in a public school, but

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they were able to sort of.

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Speaker 15: Four doors, four belts. That was only three clicks. Where's

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the last click? Someone isn't wearing their seat belt? I

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need to ask them to put it on? But what

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if you have something? What if the others take off

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their belts in solidarity? What if I don't ask them?

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Speaker 16: However bad you think asking will be, it's nothing compared

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to what could happen if you don't.

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Speaker 15: Would you mind wearing your seat belt?

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Speaker 8: No problem man.

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Speaker 16: Asking your mates to wear seat belt won't kill you

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every time every trip, everybody built up a message from

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the road safety authority at Central.

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Speaker 14: We've got amazing centa savors from now until the big

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man arrives, like Coca Cola zero and die Cooke twelve

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Compact six your reach plus deposit selected O'Donnell's crist sharing

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bags two. You're a weech and oyster based seven blanc

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ten year old stuck up with CenTra this Christmas CenTra

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live every day, enjoyl.

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Speaker 10: Call sensibly, learn and work with those to a point

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where yeah, sure it might not be you know, the exact,

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perfect preferential way to do it. Like I noticed this

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actually with math, the way that I taught myself to

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do math is very very different from the common core

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version of it. And so it's funny you bring this up.

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You know, the experience of being accused of cheating. This

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happened to be all the time in math class. Because

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I taught myself how to do math. I have, you know,

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a whole number of different things that intuitively made sense

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to me that no one ever told me to do.

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And to be honest, literally, there's nothing wrong with that.

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For the level of math mathematics I do, which is

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the kind that any American adult does, which is very

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very simple addition and subtraction. It works out fine, And

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so I don't know, I think that that's an interesting

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development as well, that there is an increased level of

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flexibility that can be very advantageous. Now, obviously there are downsides,

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to that. But fundamentally, if you are the type of

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person who goes about homeschooling your children, your relatively high agency. Anyway,

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you were doing something that is not the default and

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is difficult to do. So I'm curious do you have

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any experience with that element of it.

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Speaker 11: John, Well, that's part of the core of why we homeschool.

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I think we talked about this in a previous episode,

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where one of the marks of modernity is men farming

477
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,960
out duties that were traditionally given to them to other people. So,

478
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:01,799
you know, historically speaking, who made sure young men had

479
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:07,039
a vocation and the resources to pursue that vocation. It

480
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,599
was their fathers. And sometimes that was the son working

481
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,440
in the family business. Sometimes that was the father deciding

482
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,440
to have the son work in Steve's business. But the

483
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:25,960
father understood he had a specific duty to his sons

484
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,920
to help them figure out vocationally what they needed to

485
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,200
do with themselves in life. And now that duty first

486
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:41,279
was passed off to guidance counselors in public schools. You know,

487
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,000
dads were no longer by and large involved with like

488
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,319
you know, my dad would have never thought to tell

489
00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:49,359
me what I should do work wise, because that's why

490
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:52,200
I'm in public school, and that's what public school counselors

491
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,440
are for. They are the ones we pay and farm

492
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,759
out this duty to. And then there who tell you, well,

493
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,480
this is what degree you should you're pursue in college.

494
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,519
And then when you're in college, the college guidance counselor

495
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:07,200
tells you well, this is what companies you should meet

496
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,599
with at the job fair. And when you take on homeschooling,

497
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:14,440
that duty comes back to you as a father and

498
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:20,720
a mother, actually knowing your children and helping them figure

499
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:26,880
out what are fitting and suitable vocations for them. You know,

500
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,440
where this hits brass tacks for us is like, you know,

501
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:32,519
my eighteen year old son, when he was around eight

502
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:38,039
or nine years old, was diagnosed with very severe dyslexia

503
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,880
and a couple other learning disorders. He's a super bright kid.

504
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,799
You don't want to get into a debate with him.

505
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:50,279
His you know, his IQ is probably well above average,

506
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:52,759
but he also had these learning disabilities which sometimes go

507
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,400
hand in hand, you know when you look at these things.

508
00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:02,880
So that meant he was totally unsuitable for a ton

509
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,839
of traditional vocational paths and for certain types of education.

510
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,279
You know, he was heavily delayed in reading, even though

511
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:16,599
now he reads at a well high college level of

512
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,920
reading and whatnot. So like you you know, he has

513
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,359
this very different growth curve, so as a dad when

514
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,680
he was fourteen years old. He's also big, about six

515
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:33,680
foot three now and two hundred pounds, just strapping young gentleman.

516
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,559
So he's very physically strong. I've had him in judo

517
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,240
and jiu jitsu since he was eight or nine years old,

518
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:43,960
and so I'm like, when he was fourteen, I started

519
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,680
having him apprentice in fencing for a high end fencing

520
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,559
company because he could do school while fencing, because since

521
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:56,319
he was so dyslexic, he did a lot of his

522
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,480
school through listening rather than like having to physically read. So,

523
00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:04,400
like you could work, you can do school. And by

524
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,160
the time my son was sixteen and a half seventeen

525
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,519
years old, he was able to work full time while

526
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:18,319
doing school. He had twenty some thousand dollars in savings

527
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:22,720
at like sixteen and a half years old. He has

528
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:26,920
a deep resume of work experience. He has a very

529
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:31,039
very solid education for his age. And now you know,

530
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:34,640
he just turned eighteen and the company he works for

531
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,039
is going to give him his own fencing crew where

532
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,000
he'll have again, as I said earlier, like probably he'll

533
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:47,799
be able to make next year sixty to eighty five

534
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,279
thousand dollars. He has no debt, he has ten fifteen

535
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,200
twenty thousand dollars in savings. He has thirty or forty

536
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,799
thousand dollars in other assets roughly bel leave between his

537
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,599
truck and other things you know that you end up

538
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:09,200
owning to do this business and whatnot. And he's eighteen. Now,

539
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:17,359
My fifteen year old son is very very different than

540
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:25,160
his older brother. So he is more bookish, very mechanically minded,

541
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,519
very very good in history. But he's also just very

542
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:32,519
very good with his hands. He helps me do all

543
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:35,200
of these car repairs. Now, it's like I had something

544
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880
broken in the house recently that I just didn't get

545
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,680
to in a timely fashion, and he just went and

546
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,440
like watched a video and fixed it because he wanted

547
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,440
to be able to do whatever this was impeding, and

548
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:55,599
so for him, I have a friend who is a

549
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:03,079
simulator technician at UPS. So you know, to train pilots

550
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:07,319
to fly, you train them on simulators. So one of

551
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:11,880
my friends is the technician part of the technician teams

552
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,480
that maintains UPS's simulators and Lewis. They have a couple

553
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,800
simulator locations around the world and one is just up

554
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,159
the road from us, and man, these things are incredible.

555
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:28,960
They're like three stories tall, easily ten fifteen to twenty

556
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,760
million dollar machines. And we got to fly them one

557
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,320
afternoon because he got us into the facility. Because they're

558
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:41,679
they're constantly short on simulator techs because it's a it's

559
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:48,480
a very challenging job. It's electronics, hydraulics, computer programming, all

560
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,159
because because the simulators, all of these different systems all

561
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,760
rolled into one. And for my son, because of his

562
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,760
mechanical proclivities, but also because he's strong in math and

563
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,679
he's BookSmart, I'm like, that would be a great fitting

564
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:13,360
life path for you. And so we tailor our education.

565
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:16,079
We have like a base educational model where we use

566
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:21,039
Charlotte Mason, especially when they're younger. But then once once

567
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,920
my kids begin to hit their early teens, it's my

568
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:28,079
job as a father, with input from my wife, seeing

569
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,480
what are their strengths, what are their weaknesses, what are

570
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,400
their personality and also them having worked alongside me in

571
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:38,480
various businesses or at times sending them to help somebody

572
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:46,159
in their business to then rearrange their education towards a

573
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:52,159
specific end that's economically and otherwise good for them, you know.

574
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,519
So for my son, Noah, he's now fifteen, he's going

575
00:35:56,599 --> 00:36:00,800
to start college probably next year through the duel enrollment

576
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,880
program Kentucky allows, because to be a simulator tech at

577
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:12,280
UPS you only need a two year degree. And so

578
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,480
we've sat down, this is something he has full input on,

579
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,239
you know, So it's not like this model some people

580
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,519
say kind of like you know, you're just you're just

581
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:24,000
forcing your kids into these sayings, you force them to

582
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,000
marry that person. Like, no, my children have agency in

583
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,280
all of this. But my children also trust me because

584
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,320
they know I want what's good for them. And so

585
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:38,400
he's going to start college when he turns eighteen. I'm

586
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,920
friends with the owner of Maddox Industries, which is a

587
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:48,440
very large company that has a location up in Cincinnati, Ohio.

588
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,440
He might go do a one year internship for Maddox Industries,

589
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,880
because you can't start at UPS until you're a little older.

590
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,719
And he has these options already laid out before him.

591
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,159
And if somewhere along the way he decides or we decide,

592
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,800
know these aren't great options. It's no harm, no foul,

593
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,719
because the way we're educating him still has flexibility. But

594
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:20,199
he's not just idling away these years eventually wondering maybe

595
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:22,719
in my twenties, I'm going to finally know what I'm

596
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,800
gonna do with my life and how I'm gonna support

597
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,760
a family and take on a wife and you know,

598
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,719
pay for things kids needs. You know, our education is

599
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:37,639
deeply tied to helping our sons figure out vocation, and

600
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:39,559
it's it's such a missing piece.

601
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 10: Oh and and to that point, there have just been

602
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,039
reams of paper wasted by kind of nominally conservative writers.

603
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:53,400
You're talking about like why why is the birth rate declining?

604
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,960
Why aren't people settling down and marrying? And look like

605
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,840
is a complicated equation. There are multiple there, but a

606
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,639
large part of it is that there is a you know,

607
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:08,840
there's a baseline level of economic stability needed to start

608
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,199
a family. Now I'm not saying you need to hit

609
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,159
some arbitrary requirement of you know, owning a home, having

610
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:17,880
this much in savings that people oftentimes use to excuse themselves,

611
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,599
but to say like it's generally not smart to you know,

612
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:28,039
to settle down and kid, you're working hourly at Starbucks.

613
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,079
You know, you just are trying to service hundreds of

614
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,559
thousands of dollars in debt. And this is even assuming

615
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:37,159
that you know the sort of woman who wants to

616
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,239
do such a thing is interested in joining you in

617
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,440
that endeavor. Right. I think this is another big problem

618
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,239
for young men that you know, many of them are

619
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,800
in positions where they genuinely don't have much to offer.

620
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,599
And I'm not saying that punitively. A lot of that

621
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,400
you know, decisions were made, they're reacting to them. But

622
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,840
I think that you know, what you're offering is you

623
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,280
could look at it one way and say, oh, you're

624
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,760
dictating to your children. You know, you're denying them this freedom.

625
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:11,159
But I mean, look, man, what are they really giving

626
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,440
up an absolutely horrible job market? You know which, Look again,

627
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,840
I know friends who've done very well in the professions,

628
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,039
who have beat the odds, but fundamentally, you know they

629
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,760
are beating the odds. Most people do not. And not

630
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,199
to say that it's impossible or know everything is doom

631
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,239
and gloom, but to say that this is a very

632
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,920
compelling path forward have.

633
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,119
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Speaker 10: You lidoor because you were taking that timeline of you know,

650
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,559
starting a family, settling down, actually living your life, and

651
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:35,400
you're cutting out, you know, a decade five yeah, five

652
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,639
to ten years of the best part of your life waste,

653
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,159
you know, and I say this as someone who you

654
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:44,119
know themselves, has you know, had a non standard path

655
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:50,280
through life, Like, there are certainly opportunity costs, but for

656
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,000
most people, I don't think they realize how little they

657
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:53,920
would be giving up.

658
00:40:56,639 --> 00:41:00,559
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I went through college, and if I

659
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,280
could have you know, almost everything I learned in college,

660
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,639
I could have learned in six months outside of college.

661
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,960
It's the same thing I learned in high school. My

662
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:12,960
junior year of high school, I made deals with almost

663
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,920
all of my teachers that if they would not make

664
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,880
me go to class, I would win awards that would

665
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,760
make them look good in the school district. And I

666
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,599
almost never went to class my entire junior year of

667
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,239
high school for this reason. I had all these deals

668
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,880
with teachers, like I will win the Ohio State Science competition.

669
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,960
Just do not make me sit through this class and

670
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:41,679
learn something in six months that I could teach myself

671
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,840
in sixty minutes if I wasn't surrounded by all of

672
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,239
these knuckleheads who don't want to learn, you know.

673
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,519
Speaker 10: So, Yeah, there's just.

674
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,639
Speaker 11: I never understood the argument that doing these things costs

675
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:07,119
sarch children's something, because you know, a child who enters

676
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:11,800
their early twenties with fifty two one hundred thousand dollars

677
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,639
of assets instead of fifty to two hundred and fifty

678
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:21,239
thousand dollars in debt. Who has a deep base of skills,

679
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:29,400
who knows how to think well, has more freedom than

680
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,800
I would say probably ninety eight percent of current college

681
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,440
graduates in terms of their future and what they could

682
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:43,719
actually do with their life.

683
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:50,639
Speaker 10: Sorry, unbusted equipment and so unmuting is more difficult. I

684
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:54,079
think that there's another another element to this as well,

685
00:42:54,119 --> 00:43:01,159
which bears discussion, which is that homeschooling allows you to

686
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:02,760
be honest, to see what your kids are up to

687
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:07,199
at a much much closer level. Because look, like I

688
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,360
think COVID was sort of a revealed a lot to

689
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,519
many parents. This produced a massive exodus to both homeschooling

690
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,719
and to private schools because people finally realized what their

691
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,639
children's teachers were up to, what they were trying to,

692
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,599
you know, stuff down their throat. And the ability to

693
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,360
basically say no, I am going to control you know,

694
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:32,119
when my kids are exposed to something, you know, what

695
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:37,920
their their diet composed of. That's huge because look, this

696
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:42,079
is dramatically reduced in a private school. But there still

697
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,280
is a danger there. You know. I think of a

698
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,119
story I've heard often. You and I were kind of

699
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,239
commiserating about this before we started about you know, good

700
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,760
guys that have been canceled from Christian private schools, and yeah,

701
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,559
some of that is malignant, a lot of it isn't.

702
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:59,599
But I think that for many, you know, dissidence people

703
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,000
who are far out, you have to understand that your

704
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:06,840
reviews are in an extreme minority, and even at a

705
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,800
marginally aligned institution, your children will be exposed to things

706
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,079
that you do not agree with. And look, there's a

707
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,679
part of that that is simply a factor of growing up.

708
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:19,400
You know, the eternally sheltered child who never experiences the

709
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,840
outside world. That's not something you're looking to replicate, but

710
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,719
fundamentally you have to understand. And you run into this

711
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:32,400
often with boomers and silent generation types. For them, they

712
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,679
feel very confused at how many decisions have become proactive

713
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:41,599
for younger people, especially younger people with children, because they,

714
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,360
whether truthfully or just as a matter of perception, grew

715
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,039
up in a culture where the sort of median or

716
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:55,719
the mode of culture was broadly Christian. So okay, fair enough,

717
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,239
your kids science teacher might not go to the same

718
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,599
church that you do. But but they shamed one hundred percent,

719
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:05,320
and they'll be socially shamed if they say, you know

720
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,920
something that is particularly outside of you know, Christian adics. Right,

721
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,679
So you could sort of folks, you could sort of

722
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:15,159
go on autopile. Whereas now the number of things and

723
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:18,480
we spoke about, certainly talking about food that you have

724
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:23,119
to learn a lot about and make hard decisions has

725
00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:26,760
grown exponentially. You know, you can no longer coast. And

726
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,000
so I think that that increased level of control when

727
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:31,840
it comes to education is particularly important one, and so

728
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,960
your children don't end up as gender goblins. Two. You know,

729
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,800
if you are someone a strong religious conviction, right that

730
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,239
the ability to have your children stay in the faith

731
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is I mean priceless.

732
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I you know, body bocham Ones had the the

733
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:58,400
Quippi line. You know, if you give your children to Caesar,

734
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:03,480
do not be surprised when they come home Romans. And

735
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:10,760
I've never understood the antipathy people have towards how much

736
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:14,719
who you let your children, who you let educate your children,

737
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,000
and how you educate your children shapes who they are

738
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:19,679
going to become.

739
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:20,599
Speaker 10: As people.

740
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,159
Speaker 11: And so and again, as you were pointing out, though,

741
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:30,719
this doesn't mean we shelter our children. My children I

742
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,079
drag to conferences I make be in public places. They

743
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:38,119
work in my business in downtown Louisville, which means they

744
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:41,320
interact with all sorts of people. They've read the Harry

745
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,559
Potter books, which scares a lot off, you know. But

746
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,800
at the same time, when they're getting these experiences and

747
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:57,480
then the conversations around these experiences are really what determines

748
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:02,400
if these experiences end up being positive formation or negative

749
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:10,239
formation for them long term.

750
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that there's a lot there. Uh curious.

751
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:19,840
One of the other major oppositions to homeschool, I mean,

752
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,360
I guess I started to tease this earlier is the

753
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,239
your kids will grow up weird argument.

754
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 8: Uh.

755
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 10: Two things there. One, what does weird mean? Because guess what, listener,

756
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,320
you're weird? Right, if you're listening to this, you were

757
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:42,159
you were not normal by by definition. But also there

758
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,840
is a genuine concern about socialization right of raising children

759
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,079
who do not know how to interact with the wider public. Now,

760
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,800
I will say there's at least some of this. For instance,

761
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,519
I grew up in very close contact with adults, so

762
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:01,880
from a very young age had no problem interacting with

763
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,840
people much older than me. But I certainly remember when

764
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,679
I went to school it was tough for a little bit.

765
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,760
When I made that transition. I was ultimately, you know,

766
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,199
ultimately selling that could be overcome. But uh, I think

767
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:18,880
there's at least something to that. So what are your

768
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,840
thoughts there, John.

769
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Speaker 11: Oh, this is a great subject on on so many levels,

770
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,880
you know. So if my wife and I could change

771
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:34,599
anything about how we've done homeschooling, is we wish we

772
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:37,559
would have had access to a good homeschool co op

773
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:41,440
close by so that one to two days a week

774
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:46,639
we could do the homeschool co op with the children.

775
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:52,280
So the rise of homeschool co ops and Charlotte Mason

776
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,760
Learning groups and all of these different things are are

777
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,239
something I encourage all homeschoolers too. If you have access

778
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,320
to good ones close to you, you absolutely want to

779
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,920
work that into your overarching approach to homeschool. You know,

780
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:17,360
socialization was never a problem for our kids because I'm

781
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,719
a more outgoing person. My work and other things I've

782
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,239
always involved my kids in. So my kids have just

783
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:32,639
always all been very good socially. But I've met way

784
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:40,800
enough homeschoolers to say that the socialization concerns are not

785
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,840
without merit. I've met the twelve and thirteen and fourteen

786
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:53,000
year old boys who cannot function in public, who cannot

787
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:56,280
walk up and talk to a girl without turning pink,

788
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,320
purple or rouge, and You're just like, like, you know,

789
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:07,079
so sometimes you know, these caricatures don't have kernels of truth.

790
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,119
They're just used to deter people from doing good things

791
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:20,440
through demoralization. But it is true that in homeschooling there's

792
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,719
a not insignificant number, especially of boys. I think this problem.

793
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:31,039
Some of my most viral and offensive things I've written

794
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:35,239
about homeschooling have been about this is the dynamic and

795
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,400
a lot of homeschooling. You have a father who's seeking

796
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,480
to provide well for a wife and a number of children.

797
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,159
This usually takes them out of the home, and because

798
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:50,519
he's a single income earner, he's working more than an

799
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:54,800
average man given the economy and things, unless he's very

800
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,800
fortunate to have fallen into an above average job. This,

801
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:07,559
that or the other. So homeschooling becomes female centric. I

802
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,679
actually have I might even send it to you so

803
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,119
you can see it. But I posted it on my

804
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,039
X a while ago where Nate Spearing and I were

805
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:19,480
talking about homeschooling, and Nate said, you know, Nate basically

806
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:21,840
told his wife the boys are going to miss violin

807
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,440
today so that they can go to Brazilian jiu jitsu.

808
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:31,119
And a woman got on this post and she posted,

809
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:38,360
she goes Latin always violin, yes, in martial arts and

810
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:44,800
sports if there is time, and I screenshotted her thing,

811
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:50,000
and I just said, this is how homeschooling destroys young

812
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:57,159
men because it's built around a female centric view of

813
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:01,000
a world. Which nothing against women, but I think studies

814
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:09,320
show women are inherently dishonest about what they want, So

815
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,639
who does a woman. A woman will say she wants

816
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,239
to marry the guy who knows Latin and can play

817
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:22,480
the violin, the woman will actually marry the guy who

818
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can forge a knife.

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Speaker 11: And breaks somebody's arm because he learned Brazilian jiu jitsu

839
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:33,400
and so you know, so for your listeners and stuff.

840
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,639
You're young, married couples, you have kids who are very young.

841
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:39,440
If you're a dad who is out of the home

842
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:44,639
a lot, you must make sure to correct this risk

843
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:52,679
of a feminized homeschool education that has an emasculating tendency

844
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,800
on young men. I'm probably gonna get in trouble when

845
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,639
I write this, but it's something my older son, who's eighteen,

846
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:04,280
has commented on. I call it the epidemic of fit,

847
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:13,440
successful fathers and flabby, soft homeschooled sons. Where my son

848
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,760
and I have seen this in our travels and seen

849
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,360
this and enough families where you will have a dad

850
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:24,400
who built a successful business, he's physically in pretty good shape.

851
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,159
He was a high school football player or a wrestler.

852
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:37,159
He's still maintained his physique, and they consistently produce mousey, weak, soft,

853
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:45,159
unspoken sons. And so I think we just need to

854
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:50,320
be honest that in homeschooling circles, a number of the

855
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,800
tropes and caricatures hit home and they offend people because

856
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,400
they're accurate, you know. And the other one I'll hit

857
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,159
on is this is something I've all so written about.

858
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:09,119
Some homeschooling families choose to be needlessly weird. And I'm

859
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:12,239
not talking about more the dissident weirdness we have that

860
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:17,000
we like believe there's only two genders. We really believe that,

861
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:19,840
like the government should not be dictating the type of

862
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,000
toilet we poop on, and the type of light bulbs

863
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,559
we have in our house. We don't really think half

864
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,079
of the money that the government takes from us, which

865
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,440
is already immoral, should be going to every other nation

866
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:32,559
in the world. All of this kind of stuff I'm

867
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:37,400
talking about the not the too large a percentage of

868
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:43,159
families who have so many weird convictions. We're like, we're

869
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:48,159
the homeschooling family who are also the flat earthers who

870
00:55:48,199 --> 00:55:53,320
are also that Saturday is the Sabbath and not Sunday.

871
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:58,960
And it's it's almost like the mother and father are

872
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,440
trying to purposely shipwreck any hope of their children even

873
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,480
fitting into dissidence society, let alone you know, the world

874
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at large.

875
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 10: Oh, one hundred percent. And there's a there's a somewhat

876
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:17,239
amusing short article and the tone of it was was

877
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,320
very kind, but it was someone reminiscing on growing up

878
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,360
as a homeschool kid, and he was basically saying, like

879
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,840
I to describe to you the atmosphere of my homeschooling community,

880
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,000
let me just remind you that I went to a

881
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:37,559
homeschool book club where a girl dressed in revolutionary war

882
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:41,840
fashion introduced herself as sort of a libertine in a

883
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,400
British accent. That's a joke, right, he's you know, that

884
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,239
did happen, but he's sort of you know, you know

885
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:52,559
saying in a comedic setting. But there definitely is something

886
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:57,079
to that, you know, the degree one. It's important that, well,

887
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,239
if your kids are weird, that's kind of your fault.

888
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:02,199
Be brutally honest about it. Like if you are the

889
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:08,000
one saying I am in charge of this, you you

890
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:10,280
are in charge of it, right, for both positive and

891
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,360
negative ends. I think also there's been a rise of

892
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,960
and this happened after my time, of these sort of

893
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,000
like they call them like hybrid academies or hybrid schools,

894
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,280
where it's basically like a two to three day in

895
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,119
person and then the rest will be you know, administered

896
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:30,280
by the parents at home. So that way, you know,

897
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,559
two days a week, your kid goes in you know,

898
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:35,079
interacts with other people their age in a normal setting,

899
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,519
and then you know the rest of it, you are

900
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,639
in charge. I think that model has and by large,

901
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:42,519
the people I know who send their children they have

902
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,880
been very very happy with it. God, I'm actually just

903
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,960
talking to one of my friends or I guess one

904
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,599
of my dad's friends who's become my friends, whose first

905
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:52,840
son just you know, went to college once to be

906
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,000
an engineer, is doing great about exactly that that kind

907
00:57:56,039 --> 00:58:00,719
of hybrid model. To your point about feminization. I noticed

908
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,400
this as well with what I consider kind of like

909
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,920
the homeschooled mama's boy the and this is younger, but

910
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:10,119
you know, as someone who's you know, taught Sunday school

911
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:12,400
at church, you know, interacting with a lot of you know,

912
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:16,199
upper elementary school kids, I definitely saw this archetype, the

913
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,880
kid who is so unused to in any context being

914
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,239
separated from his family that he breaks down like he

915
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,440
is a third his age. And I feel terrible because

916
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,760
it's like, well, I'm very I'm embarrassed for you. You know,

917
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,239
I can see that you are embarrassed by this. But

918
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,519
I can't fix this for you. You know, I'm look,

919
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:35,360
I'm in charge of you for forty five minutes once

920
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,880
a week, and you're crying for thirty five of those minutes.

921
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,159
I got other things to do. But I think that

922
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:44,880
that is something that definitely can be managed. And you know,

923
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,079
I've said before that my homeschooling was not a whole

924
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:50,320
lot of schooling. I was just sort of at home

925
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,400
and my grandfather at the time was running a small business,

926
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:58,239
and so he would just take me along and I would,

927
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:00,800
you know, follow him on deliveries, go to the office

928
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,159
with him, to just kind of follow him around. And

929
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,159
you know, being around adults in a work setting, even

930
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:10,639
before I was really old enough to actually contribute, made

931
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:14,039
me very comfortable talking to strangers, introducing myself, you know,

932
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:16,559
the kind of basic social stuff that, let's be honest,

933
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,199
even many public school children do not know how to do. Again,

934
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,320
there are ways around this, you just have to do them,

935
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:25,760
to be brutally honest.

936
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 11: Well, and we need to be very clear too, on

937
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:36,440
the balance, even a somewhat less ideally educated homeschool kid

938
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:43,360
in our day and age is generally more socially proadjusted

939
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,320
than the vast majority of kids coming out of public

940
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,440
schools right now, I mean public schools. As you've already

941
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,079
pointed out over the past decade, have you met an.

942
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 10: iPad child before, like, let alone, you know, an iPad

943
00:59:56,119 --> 00:59:57,480
child you know, all grown up?

944
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,239
Speaker 11: Yep, yeah and out. And obviously these are some of

945
01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:10,039
the benefits of homeschool. You can more rigorously control the

946
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:13,400
amount and types of access to technology.

947
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,639
Speaker 10: Which is huge. Like genuinely I think that I was

948
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:20,199
talking to and I may have told you just anything

949
01:00:20,199 --> 01:00:23,400
to it before. But I in my previous having a

950
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real job career, there was a transition point where I

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had signed a contract with a new company and I

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had basically three months where I couldn't get a full

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time job a contract, but I don't have anything to do,

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and so I volunteered, well, actually I got a part

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time job, I guess not volunteered as a substitute teacher

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at a Christian classical school. And one of the guys

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that I was talking to was, you know, working as

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a gym teacher kind of as a retirement, right, he

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was past his career, but just wanted to do something.

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And he had worked at, you know, a number of

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extremely elite private schoo the sort of private schools that

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have you know, fifty kids in them, that were established

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two hundred years ago and served the same families basically perpetually,

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and so he's had a lot of experience in that,

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you know, in large public schools, so a pretty wide

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experienced teaching over a long career. Normally the children of

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the elite and we were talking and I was like, oh, like,

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you know, what are the things you can pick up

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on as a teacher, And there were two things he said.

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One within twenty minutes, I can tell first if a

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kid has a dad, which stands to reason, and two

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if they have a phone, which I thought was interesting

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that he put both of those at you know, kind

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of equal levels. And obviously, as you know, technology precedes

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a pace that becomes even more relevant.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's so my wife in talking with some other families.

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I guess in some public schools now, some kids, even

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in middle school and lower will do all of school

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all day loan on devices and the negative ramifications of this.

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What's really ironic is you have people at Apple and

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these other companies who absolutely prohibit their children from having

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access to these devices until they're in their mid to

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late teens at the earliest. But then they are selling

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these things to everybody else. You know, I always tell

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my kids, I always say, don't look at what people say,

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look at what people actually do. You know, this is

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endemic in marriage advice. I wrote about this a number

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of months ago because my wife and I had been

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married twenty years, and I said, when you're looking for

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a couple to mentor you in marriage. Do not listen

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to how they tell you to operate in marriage. Look

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at how they actually operate in marriage. Because you have

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a bunch of men and women who operate very patriarchal,

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very hierarchical in marriage. But because of church and culture

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they will sell you egalitarianism and other things. Is and

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I'm like, go, listen to what they say, but look

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at how they actually function.

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Speaker 10: Well, this goes back to your comments about the sort

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of men women go for. Yes, right that you have

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that gaff which again going even back to our conversation

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about private school. Between that stated and revealed preference, those

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are two often completely unrelated categories.

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Speaker 11: Yeah and yeah, So you know, technology is a big one.

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And this is the other reason, you know, the biggest

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reason we really would have loved to have more access

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to a one a one and a half day a

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week type co op is it's hard to do certain

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subjects homeschool wise without making them technology based if you

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have a large number of children. You know, because I

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you know, I have a twenty year old, an eighteen

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year old, a fifteen year old, a thirteen year old

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who has a couple learning disabilities. A nine year old

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and a five year old, there's almost no subject we

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can group teach. My fifteen year old is on a

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trajectory to have to do calculus. My nine year old

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is in basic geometry, like you know, little kid geometry

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and stuff. So my wife doesn't have to bandwidth to

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individually teach six children, six different grade levels of every

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single subject, and so that the easiest solution then becomes

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well using some of these really great online options. So

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there's so many great online options, either live courses kids

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can participate in or courses you can buy like Shorman

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math and other things. But then the problem is you

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can end up becoming too tech heavy with how the

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kids are being educated at home, especially if they're needing

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to do higher level classes, because as I said earlier,

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it's very hard to produce at the individual level, every

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single higher level class. And you know, I was a

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mathematics major. I wrote two college level trigonometry textbooks when

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I was in my second year of college because I

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was that good at math. And so can I do

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a lot of math education with my kids, But I

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can't work and provide for my family and also teach

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all six kids math, let alone teach them math, science

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and other things. So so ideal in our world you

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have some of these filler things where you know who

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are teaching some of these raw academic subjects. You know,

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the curriculum you're using in the world view they're using

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to teach them, or the other thing we've been doing

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to help with some of these subjects. Is so for

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01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:23,440
my son Noah and his science, there's another homeschool family

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01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,119
who lives close to us who has a couple boys

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01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:30,320
around his age, and so we're doing science all together.

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01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:36,599
Just a few families are doing science that way, and

1045
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,719
so there's different ways to crack this nut. But you

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01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,840
just have to be careful how and how much technology

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you become dependent on in doing your homeschool.

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Speaker 10: Well, John, I think that's a good note to end

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01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,679
it on, and I think we've really poked it this

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01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,960
from you know, as many angle as we can in

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01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,559
an hour. Where can people find you and your work?

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01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:07,079
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I'm on X under resistance is fertile. I

1053
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:11,199
think or resists is fertile. I'm on Facebook under my

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01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,039
name Joel Salaton and I do a conference called Rogue

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01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:18,800
Food and we're going to be in South Dakota in

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February at the same week of the Rodeo Black Hills.

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It's like one of the number one rated indoor rodeos

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in America. So if you've never been to a rodeo

1059
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:32,960
and you've never been to a rogue food, We're going

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to go see Mount Rushmore, go to the rodeo and

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have a little conference together. And I think I'm finally

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because so many people have wanted it, I may finally

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start a substack soon.

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Speaker 10: Selfishly, I recommend that because pretty much that is where

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I do. Ninety nine percent of my of my nonfiction

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reading is on substack. It's a great platform anyway. I

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01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,159
h as far as my stuff the Jay Burdon Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:06,360
anywhere you listen to podcasts, this is what I do.

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If you want to support me, you can throw me

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a few bucks a month on Patreon, Substack or gumbroad

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get the episodes early in and free, or you can

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head over to our sponsor, Axios Remote Fitness and Coaching. Again, John,

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I appreciate it, and everyone at home, keep your head up.

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I can't last forever.

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Speaker 8: Good night.

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