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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, Welcome back to the Shirtley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast, Season two, Episode one. I'm Jack Dah.

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I am so glad to be back. We've been gone

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too long. We're comparing Slippery when Wet versus New Jersey

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bon Jovi's Two Bigs South.

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Speaker 2: You say that and I get chills. I'm just I'm

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so excited about this. I'm ready to let it rock.

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I'm ready to let it go because you can't stop a.

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Speaker 1: Fire burning out of control. No, and I'm just I'm

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hoping we're still wanted dead or.

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Speaker 2: We did take two steel horses to this location tonight

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to pods.

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Speaker 1: So all right, Jason. Before we jump in, I want

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to say thanks to our executive producer for this episode,

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mister Jonathan Tweety. He entered in, gave us a Patreon subscription,

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and he is the executive producer of our bon Jovie episode.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jonathan, we really appreciate you. If you would like

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Speaker 1: And it's that easy that you just didn't subscribe. Now

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pick your amount you can. You can be an executive

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producer for as little as five dollars a month. We

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start sending out prizes after that, so be sure and

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take advantage of that while it lasts. But anything that

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you can do to help out, we truly appreciate. And

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if you can't do that, tell a friend, tell five friends,

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tell ten friends, and we'll forgive you for not giving

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us a five dollars a month. There's this place I

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like to go. It's called the nineteen eighties. Let's do it,

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let's go, let's see eighties.

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Speaker 2: All right, so listen, dee, this is a massive battle

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for me personally. Okay, okay, So there are a few

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pillar albums in my life, right, So Thriller's one yes,

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Hysteria is one yes, Slippery w and Wet and New Jersey.

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That rounds out my big four pillars. Now, I've had

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love affairs with fifty one, fifty and nineteen eighty four,

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and you know, so these others, but these are my

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four pillars. So today we're going to start the comparison

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between two of my all time favorite albums.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I've mentioned it before. One of the songs

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on one of these albums is the reason that I

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started playing guitar, which is a huge, huge thing in

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my life. So that's a big deal. We're excited about this. Yeah,

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this is pretty awesome. This is amazing, and you know,

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it's kind of interesting. It took a long time for

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bon Jovi to get critical acclaim. You know, they were

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always a popular band, and because they were a popular band,

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there were haters out there and a lot of them

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more critics. And to those folks, I just got to say,

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screw you, man. You guys are missing out. Yeah. Yes,

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it's it's enjoyable to listen to this music. It's also

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enjoyable to bang your head to this music. This is

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just kick butt, good, top down, turn it up music. Absolutely,

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these guys have it all. They've got.

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Speaker 2: They had looks, they had ability, they had great timing,

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and they had great songs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, we are going to have so much fun.

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You want me to do my checklist. Let's run down

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the checklist. Checklist before we dive in. Let's make sure

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I've got everything I need. Okay, we got we got

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the talk box YEP, we've got six pack in the radio,

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We've got lipstick, plastic and paint, and we're gonna dance

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the tango with a broomstick in our hand.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you ready, let's let it rock. Bon Jovi

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slippery win way. Okay, So we've got to start at

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the big and I'm not sure which beginning we start at,

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but might as well start with John. His name is

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the band name after all, right for sure. So interestingly,

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bon Jovi is spelled differently than you might expect. It's

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it is a complete word bo in gio v I

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bon g o v. Because they're Italian.

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Speaker 2: Definitely got some Italian in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And he was born to a couple of marines,

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a man and a woman who met in the marine corps,

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and then his mom went on to become a playboy bunny,

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not in the magazines, but in the clubs, the Playboy restaurant.

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She walked around with the little tuft tail and the

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ears on and would wait on people like Dean Martin

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and Frank Sinatra.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, no baby, Yeah yeah, I did a Google searched.

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You can see her, and she's wearing her little little

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ears and her little cottontail.

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nineteen sixties playboy money yeah wow.

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Speaker 2: So former marine Yeah, God bless America.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So when they got married, he was going to

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do the standard. You know, I'm going to go become

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a plumber. And she was like, you know, why don't

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you become a hairdresser because I spend a lot of

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money on my hair and it'd be nice if you

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could do it. And he was like, okay, if you

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want me to do that, I'll do that. And so

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he became a hairdresser, which is probably why John has

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some of the best hair over all. Right. So he

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at some point they decide, listen, you got to learn

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a musical instrument, and so at seven years old he

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started playing the guitar. They took him to the guitar lessons.

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was like at the guitar shop and the old man

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had a pipe and would nod off and it was done.

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was just not interested at seven. And after a few

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weeks of lessons, he was told to clean up, and

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so his way of cleaning up was to chunk the

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guitar down into the basement just to hear it clang.

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before he picked the guitar back up again. And as

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it happened, a gentleman moved across the street who was

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like a session musician, but his name was Al Paranello. Well,

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just so that you know, bon Jovi, it has special

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little pins that are like in the shape of the

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Superman logo that if you go long enough with the

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band like crew or band member whatever. It's a very

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honorary thing and it takes a lot of time to

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get it. And John when Al died, he took his

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off and put it in the casket with Al. That's

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how important it was he was to him. And so

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he started taking lessons from him, and instead of the scales,

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he's like, I'm gonna teach you how to play House

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of the Rising Sun, which I loved because that was

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like the first song my dad taught me how to

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play on the guitar. I'm sure it's the first song

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for a whole lot of folks, right, And so he

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teaches shows him how to play it. He says, come

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back next week. Comes back the next week, he still

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know how to play it. He's like, okay, well come

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back next week. I need you to know it. Comes

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back the next week, he still doesn't know it. He says, listen,

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I don't have time to around with you. Okay, I

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got kids. If you're going to do this, do it.

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week and you don't know what we're done. And John

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was like, that was the exact kick in the butt

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that I needed. And I worked the entire week and

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made sure that I knew it by the time I

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went back. So while he's trying to make it in

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high school and trying to put these you know, trying

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to do something with these bands, he'll go and play

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at clubs during the week and play until the wee

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hours of the morning, and then come to school the

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next day, you know, play all three go to school

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at eight and one night, while he's playing, a guy

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in the back named Bruce Springsteen decides to come and

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join him on stage. How cool is that if you're

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a high school kid, seventeen year old kid and the

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boss says, hey, can I come up and with you?

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Uh duh? Yeah? Yeah? And he was one of John's idols,

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it was Southside Johnny it was Jay GAW's band. I mean,

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those guys were who he looked up to musically. Yeah,

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and hey, Bruce Wingstein, my idol. You want to play

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's go. Yeah. And he had a couple of

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buddies who also took guitar lessons from this guy. And

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one of those buddies name was Dave skid Row. You

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got it, yep.

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Speaker 2: We talked about him last, Paul Ye. Dave and John

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were good buddies. Later on, John got a job at

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the radio station and he was being a gopher and

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he would sleep floors and he would go get dry

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cleaning and this and that. So he brought his buddy

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Dave Sabo up to the to the place and Dave's like,

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that's Ozzy Osbourne right there, right Jagger, that's mc jagger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He's like, duh, why would you not want to

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work here? You know? Right? Yeah. So that guy that

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owned the radio station was a second cousin of John's.

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His name was Tony bun Jovi, and the radio station

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was called the Power Station, and it was a place

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where obviously a lot of big names were coming. A

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is named after the intersection that he would cross walking

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to that studio. All right, yeah, so he's working for

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his cousin as a gopher in this station, goes to

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get coffee, goes to make bets for people, doing whatever

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he can during the day, and then he had a

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long bus ride. He would spend his bus ride writing songs,

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and then he would get home at night and play practice. Right,

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and at some point he puts together a song. He

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puts together several songs, but he's really excited about this

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song called Runaway, Runaway. But now a lot of people

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think this is his first professional recording, but it's not

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breaking on. Let's go, I would get this tray question.

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His first professional recording actually occurred a couple of years earlier,

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when a small movie called Star Wars was recording a

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Christmas album and they were recording a song called R

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two D two we Wish you a Merry Christmas, and

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Tony at the recording station says, hey, my cousin over here,

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he'd be good to sing that song for you, And

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so John bon Jovi's first professional record is on Christmas

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and the Stars, the Star Wars Christmas album, and here is.

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Here's a sample of John bon Jovi singing R two

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D two we wish you a merry Christmas. You know

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lesson we don't go back to the Winter Stars. We

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know that unity's big. That is so freaking awesome. Man,

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little it's a little strange. It doesn't sound like the

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Bonjob we know and love, but it is pretty crazy

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to hear that. Are you ready for this? Yes? I

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have this album. Oh my god, I have this album.

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Speaker 2: I own this album, this record like you had the

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Open Well. I was a Star Wars freak, Yes, so

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I had everything I can get my hands on Star Wars. Wise,

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I didn't become a Bonjob freak until later. It just

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happened that world's collided and I looked on.

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Speaker 1: Like, hey, I got this record. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: There's another song on I think called what do you

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Speaker 1: Or something like that. That was like my favorite song

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growing up. So it's fantastic. That is fantastic. So it

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wasn't the runaway hit that Runaway became, and neither was

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Runaway when it first came out. He was very excited

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about it. He was singular focused. He had he knew

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what he wanted, and that was what he was pursuing

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with all of his effort. And so he was sending

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out this demo of Runaway to all of these radio

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stations and wasn't getting any where. And he thinks to himself,

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you know who's the loneliest guy in the music industry.

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It's the DJ right right, because he's just there in

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a room by himself, talking to a microphone, pretending he's

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talking to the world. And so he goes to this

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station called WAAP the Apple and he walks in and

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it's a very new station and they don't even have

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a receptionist yet. And so he walks in and the

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DJ's in the booth like talking to the microphone, looking

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at him, like what the heck, what are you doing here?

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He's like, I just you know, I've got this music.

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I was wondering if you would listen to it and

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maybe play it on the radio. And so the guy

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listens to Runaway and he's kind of impressed, and he

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shows it to the station director and the station director's

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kind of impressed. And not only do they want to

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play it on the radio, but they want to put

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it on an LP that they're making of local, homegrown

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music that then happens to get distributed because they're a

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chain radio station. It distributed to all of these sister

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radio stations around the country. I heard John when he

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talked about this. He went to the DJ.

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Speaker 2: First of all, he had the hustle and the drive

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and the ambition and the guts to go up to

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this guy and say, look, play this. It's really good.

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When he said, he said, listen, if you'll play this

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three and a half minutes from now, you'll realize standing

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in front of you is.

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Speaker 1: A rock star.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, he was right, Yeah, I mean

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I can say that and that wouldn't be true, but

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when he said it, it was true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. And when it started to get the airplay,

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suddenly all of those record companies that he had been

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getting getting turned down by were now giving him calls.

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all right, we need to we need to put together

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this song, we need to put together an album. And

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so he puts together a band that's supposed to be

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together for three weeks, right, when Runaway comes out. He

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doesn't have a band, he doesn't have management, he doesn't

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have a record label. He's just a guy with a

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great song. You know. He didn't play all the music himself.

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He did have some guys playing the music for him,

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but it wasn't his band. But here's who it was.

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The guitarist was Tim Pierce, who played with Rick Springfield

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and several other huge names. Wow. The keyboardist was Roy Britton,

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who was a member of the East Street Band with

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Bruce Springsteen and several I mean they call him the Professor.

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He's a big name. The bassist was Hugh McDonald who

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is now the bassist for Bon Jovie. I mean, he

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had a top notch crew on that first first single

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recording that he had, but they weren't his band. He

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needed to have a band, and so he called up

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Dave Brian. David Brian was born David Brian Roschbaum. He

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got tired of spelling out his last name, so he

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changed He shorted it down to David Brian. He was

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a keyboardist for John before Runaway became a big hit.

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They were in a band together called the Atlantic City

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Expressway that was one of about three bands that John had.

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When John gets this record deal, he calls up David

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Brian and he's like, hey, I need a band. Come

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be my keyboardist. And Dave's like, okay, well, I'm pre

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med at Rutgers University and I've got a four point

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zero and I realized that I wanted to be in

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the music industry, but I just got into Juilliard. But yeah,

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sure I'll go. I'll go tour the country with you

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and make next to nothing. Sure, let's give this rock

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band thing a dry. He did bet on himself, Yeah,

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and it ended up working out. So David Bryan calls

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Alec john Such, who's a bass player, says hey, we're

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putting this band together. Come be a part of it.

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Alec john Such had been in a band called Phantom's

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Opera with Tico Torres, and Tiko Torres is older than

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the rest of the guys, and so when he gets

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the call and listens to John bon Jovi's song, he's thinking,

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I think this is it. I think I'm finally going

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to make it. And his wife's like, no, we have

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a house, we have things that need to be taken

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care of. And he's like, I just I believe that

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this is going to be great. And she says, I

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believe I'm going to leave you yea, And that's where

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she went. Wonder how she feels.

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Speaker 2: That she feels pretty sad about that decision.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So Tico Torres not only had he played with

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the marvel Attes, and not only had he played with

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Chuck Berry, but when Kiss got rid of Peter Chris,

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they he was one of the guys on the shortlist

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to be the drummer for me. He went out an

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audition for him. Wow, just didn't make it. So Tico's in,

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Alec john Such is in, Dave Bryan is in, and

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their guitarist is, as you mentioned, Dave Sabo from skid Row. Yes,

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although yet yes right, And so Dave Sabo was never

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really like a member of the band per se.

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Speaker 2: It was just just kind of helped out with the

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touring of Runaway, right. And so Alec John Sutch had

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also been in a band with this guy called Richie Sambora.

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Speaker 1: He had been around, I mean, he had his own

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independent record label. He had played with several big names.

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He had signed a couple of different times. His bands

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had signed a couple of different times, just hadn't gotten

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there yet, like it was just not quite there. Then

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he did this tour as the opening act for Joe

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Cocker and then eighty two when Kiss and as Freely

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part Ways. Yes, he goes in auditions for Kiss to

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be their guitarist. So weird, right, Yeah, he's pretty close. Yeah,

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two of the guys from bon Jovi tried to replace

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two of the guys from Kiss and we're not successful,

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Thank goodness for that. Yeah, And so Richie Sambor comes back.

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Alec John Sutch is like, hey man, you got to

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come listen to this band that I'm playing with. They're phenomenal.

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And Richie's like okay. He goes and he sees them

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and he said it was magic. And after the show

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he goes up to John he says, Hi, I'm your

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new guitarist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I heard him talking about this, he said when

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he watched John run around the stage, He's like, yep,

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that kid's star.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And so John was like, okay, you know, let's

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see you know what you can do or whatever. And

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so he's like, come out, you know, we'll play together.

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She hired you know these five songs, right, know these

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five songs. And so he Richie comes to the studio

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or wherever it is they're practicing. He gets there on

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time late, He works with the band while John is arriving.

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And when John gets there, they're already tight and play

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for him, and he's like, well, get sure in, I

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guess you're in. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Just the incredible opportunity and the timeliness of this. And

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John bon Jovi and Richie Simbur are a songwriting duo

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that gave us these great songs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Doc McGee comes to him and says, do you have management?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't. As a reminder, doc McGee is the

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guy who managed Motley Crue.

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Speaker 2: Molly Crue Kissed the Scorpions.

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Speaker 1: Right, But but bon Jovi was pretty early on in this.

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He early he had Motley Crue. He had Motley Crue

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and that was about it. At that point, he's on

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his way up with Motley Crue.

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Speaker 2: So Motley Cruz happening, and he goes to bon Jovi

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and he says, I want to image you guys, and

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I want to make you the biggest band in the world.

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Speaker 1: Right, And so this just just to kind of lay

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the foundation for another story that might get told. Also

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around this time, about January of nineteen eighty two, Doc

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McGee meets a guy named Steve Kaylish in the Kayaneman

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Islands who is known as the last Gentleman Smuggler. We'll

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get into all that maybe later on, but for now,

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it's just a seed, a little teaser, if you will.

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And so they go into the studio to record their

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first album, which obviously must include Runaway. They named the

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album bon Jovi, which you know they're they're doing the

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full Van Halen, right, let's name the let's name the

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band after me, and let's go ahead and name the

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first album after me too, Yep, And it does. Okay,

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Runaway cracks the top forty thirty nine, I think is

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as high as a guy. That would be a crack.

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That's a crack. That is a tiny little crack in

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the top forty. And so they're touring, opening up for

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other bands, and they after a while they do a

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second album called seventy eight hundred Degrees Fahrenheit. They really

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don't know who they are at this point. And if

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you've watched any of the videos that they have for

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any of these songs, they're so cringey. I think they

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might be more cringey than those deaf Leopard by Romania videos. Watch.

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Speaker 2: I watched one the other day. I think it was

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it was one of the songs on seventy eight hundred.

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I think it was Only Lonely a pre terminator. Linda

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Hamilton is the girl that he's in love with in

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the video.

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Speaker 1: Oh my word, how about that. That's crazy. So when

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they get done touring, they realize we're paying more money

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to our crew than we are to ourselves.

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Speaker 2: The only guy in the band who had his own

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house was Tico Torres, right, everybody else lived with mom

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and dad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a rock star. And they come on a

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TV I'm living to my mom's basement. Yeah, they go

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back and live with mom and dad and so Richie

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Sambora's parents worked during the day, both of them, and

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so John would come over to his house in the morning.

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They would go down to the and they start working

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on songs, and John gives him this idea for a

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song that kind of has this relationship to touring, similar

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to a cowboy writing into town, taking your money, taking

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your women, and getting out of town before you know

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what's happened and gives him the layout and Richie Sambora

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walks this little line down the guitar neck and John's like,

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that's it, man, that is exactly what it needs to be.

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And that was going to be the original name, or

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that was the original name of Slippery when Wet. They

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were going to call the album Wanted Dead or Alive.

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I think that's a cool name. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: They actually took publicity pictures where they all kind of

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grew their beards out and they had they looked like

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young guys. I mean, that's they look like the poster

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of young guys. But calling the album Wanted Dead or Alive,

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I don't think would have been a hindrance at all.

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Speaker 1: I mean. Now, so he and Richie are writing songs

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together and Richie's parents' basement, and they decide they want

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to recruit somebody to help them write hits because we're

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about to do album number three and if album three

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doesn't make them, it's going to break them, Yeah, because

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if you don't hit it on album three, the record

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company is going to be done with you. And so

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they recruit this gentleman named Desmond Child. So Desmond Child

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at the time that they say, come write some songs

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with us. What's he got on his list?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So he came up with the song I Was

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Made for Loving You, which Kiss did, which was for

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Kiss fans.

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Speaker 1: They know this.

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Speaker 2: It's like the disco Kiss. Yeah, he introduced disco to Kiss.

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But it was a successful song. But the song that

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John really liked, John and Richie liked that to want

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to work with Desmond was a song called Heaven's on

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Fire by Kiss.

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Speaker 1: So Desmond Child drives out to New Jersey, driving to

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Richie sam Bori's house, sees this wooden plank house out

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next to a swamp. You can see the smokestacks from

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the factory down the road. And he's like, what am

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I getting myself into? A rock star lives here? Yeah? Right,

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And so he goes down to the basement and they

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started talking and he says, you know, I really think

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a great name for a song would be you give

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Love a Bad Name? And John goes shot through the

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heart and You're to blame. And then John, Richie and

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Desmond all at the same time go you give Love

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a Bad Name? And it was magic. Yep.

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Speaker 2: John stole that shot through the Heart. That was a

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song from his first album Yeah, called Shot through the Heart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So they said down and in this writing session

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with Desmond Child, they write you give Love a bad Name.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: They also write a song called without Love I Die

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for You. Oh, and they also wrote this little song

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you might have heard called living on a Prayer.

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Speaker 1: I think is that on Slippery One? I think? Okay

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it is.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, Desmond Child comes. They write four songs that

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make the album, and so they start working on songs.

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One of the songs I know, John and Rishie wrote

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in the Basement You talked About One and Dead Are Alive.

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They also wrote the song never Say Goodbye. So they're

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gathering songs and the record company says, well, it's time

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to record the album. We want you away from New York, right,

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So we're going to fly you to Vancouver.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, they they both Richie and John both really

470
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liked the album lover Boy by Lover Boy, and John

471
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also really liked the album Without Love, which was by

472
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a heavy metal band called Black and Blue. And so

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they said, this is our guy, this is our producer.

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So he says, I want you guys to come up

475
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here to me in Canada and we're going to record

476
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up here. You got the World's Fair going on over there.

477
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You've got this place called the Number five Orange Strip Club.

478
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So they get up there, they start laying down tracks

479
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and they go, you know, they get done at ten

480
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or eleven at night, and they're like, oh, this is early, fairly,

481
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let's go to the strip club. And so they go

482
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with Doc McGee and they're all at the strip club

483
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and this woman literally, Now, of course, why wouldn't we

484
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on our very first episode of season two, why wouldn't

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we start talking about strippers. Why wouldn't we we have to,

486
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I mean stripper music. We Okay, So this woman comes

487
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sliding from the ceiling, comes sliding down a pole, then

488
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goes and gets in the shower, soaps herself up, and

489
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Doc McGee goes, you know, I always thought a good

490
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name for a song or an album would be slippery

491
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when wet and their tongues are hanging out of their

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mouths and they're going, yeah, that sounds great, Yeah, whatever

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you say, yeah sounds good. That is that's how they

494
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got the name of the album. Yeah, that's where slippery

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when it came from. YEP, and for most Folks who

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have seen the album cover, you would think, oh, this

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is a road sign kind of thing. Well, that's not

498
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the original album cover. Let's talk about the original album. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So after they had completed the songs, which we'll get

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to here in a second, they came out with an

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album cover where they went to the Jersey shore. They

502
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gathered up some great looking girls. They took some pictures

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to it with your boy, Mark Weiss, Yes, Mark Wis.

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Speaker 1: Mark Weis whose wedding was where John bon Jovi's parents

505
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discovered Sebastian Bach.

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Speaker 2: Go back and listen to our Skid Versus Doctor Feel

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Good episode.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: So they gathered up and they found this one girl.

510
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Her name was Angela, and they liked Angela because she

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was particularly busty. They gave her a Slippery when Wet shirt.

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They cut it up.

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Speaker 1: They took a close up of her.

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Speaker 2: It's a you know, it's a it's a nineteen eighties

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metal cover. She's you know, wet, wet and bursting at

516
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the seams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They put a pink.

518
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Speaker 2: Trim around the edge of border that was supposed to

519
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be like matching her lipstick. They called the album Slippery

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When a Wet yeap, and when the record company saw it,

521
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they're like, we cant this is another album you gave us.

522
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We can't sell in Walmart. What are you doing to

523
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us here? And John saw it, It's like pink, Why

524
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is this pink crap on here? I'm a serious rocker.

525
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I like the girl, but I can't have the pink.

526
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So they grabbed these at the last second and they

527
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pulled like they had printed like forty thousand of these.

528
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they and they got issued in Japan. They yes,

529
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you can actually buy these on eBay right and it's

530
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,599
just fyi. Bon Jovi was a hit in Japan long

531
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before they were a hit in the United States, so

532
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it's way to go Japan, and you guys were on

533
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the ball. So John says, look, this is I'm not

534
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having this. Pull this right now.

535
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Speaker 2: And so they go over to Mark Weise's house and

536
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they're like, we got to come up with an album

537
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cover right now. So they stretch out a garbage bag,

538
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a black garbage bag laid on a table, spray it down,

539
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and John writes with his finger slippery when Wet snapped

540
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a couple of pictures, and that's the album cover you

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see today brilliant.

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Speaker 1: It works too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So before we jump into the album, the producer of

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this album, as you mentioned, was Bruce Fairbern. He had

545
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this little engineer that was an up and coming guy.

546
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Speaker 1: Yeah, might have heard of him. His name is Bob Rock.

547
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Speaker 2: He produced Doctor Feel Good Yep. He then produced Metallica's

548
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Black album.

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Speaker 1: Right which he got because of Doctor fiel Good, which

550
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he got because of Doctor Feel Good. We're hoping to

551
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cover that later this year. Yeah.

552
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Speaker 2: But yeah, he is a major, major producer. They just

553
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caught him right before he broke big. So before we

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dive into the songs, I have a really cool story

555
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for you, okay. So they have thirty or so demo songs.

556
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They had gone to Vancouver. They had demoed all these

557
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songs that they had written in Richie's mother's basement. Right

558
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around the corner from their studio was a little pizza place.

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So they would go down to the pizza place and

560
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there's all these teenagers would hang out there, and they thought,

561
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you know what this if this is our audience, why

562
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don't we ask them what they think? So they invited

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this crew of teenagers back to the studio and they

564
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played the demos for them, and the teenagers would make comments,

565
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you know, hey, this is not too bad, and I

566
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kind of like this one, and this is pretty good,

567
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and there are songs.

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Speaker 1: Actually I think what they said was it doesn't suck,

569
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this doesn't suck, which.

570
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Speaker 2: Sounds like our teenagers, right right, right. But John is

571
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very clear and very public that some of the song

572
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songs that made Slippery and Wet would not have been

573
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there if it hadn't been for what they called the

574
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Pizza Parlor Jury.

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Speaker 1: One of those songs never say Goodbye, Living on a Prayer,

576
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Living on a Prayer, Doc McGee said, but for the

577
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Pizza Parlor Jury, living on a Prayer probably would not

578
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have been on Slippery.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that here in a second. John was

580
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not as big a fan of this song.

581
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Speaker 1: No, I know. All right, we ready to dive in.

582
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Let's dive into this album. We got to start listening

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to the music right now.

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Speaker 3: Next week, aliphanger, Oh hang around, come back next week

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we will dive in track by track Slippery when we.

586
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Speaker 1: Love it, come back and see us. Tell your friends,

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subscribe Patreon, Patreon, subscribe, five star review. Love you guys,

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