Speaker 1: Greedy societations. Everyone at twelve, I'm looking a fantasy baseball Live.
Speaker 1: Today is the nineteenth of January, about eleven forty five
Speaker 1: in the morning. I'm here with my good buddy, mister
Speaker 1: Tim McCleod. Tim. It's cold up there, and thank you
Speaker 1: very much for sending the cold our way.
Speaker 2: Well, we are a sharing carrying lot up here, rich,
Speaker 2: and we just know how much you'd appreciate a little
Speaker 2: bit of a cool, cooler atmosphere for a few days. Thankfully,
Speaker 2: you're not going to get what we're getting. Nobody should
Speaker 2: get what we're getting. It's just been brutally. The air
Speaker 2: temperature last night, I believe was thirty two below thirty
Speaker 2: three throw a little bit of a reason there, and
Speaker 2: I think they're reporting thirty five forty below. I'm not
Speaker 2: dragging my butt out of the host for loved their
Speaker 2: money today. It just ain't happened. I'm I'm home bound.
Speaker 2: I'm officially hypating.
Speaker 1: So help me. That's thirty five degrees blows zero celsius.
Speaker 1: What would that be in fahrenheit?
Speaker 2: Oh, not much different because they meet up at minus
Speaker 2: forty they're exactly one and the same.
Speaker 1: Oh cheese.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's yeah. It actually, once you get to
Speaker 2: a boat minus thirty five or so, it actually hurts
Speaker 2: to breathe outdoors.
Speaker 1: Jeez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's it's just cold. And before that
Speaker 2: we had high winds and some snow and uh, it's shame.
Speaker 1: It's are you Are you worried about pipes freezing again.
Speaker 2: Or ah, water's running out?
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh yeah, that's that's what we're worried about here
Speaker 1: on the island because it's going to be fifteen degrees
Speaker 1: I think on Wednesday, which things is on stilts out here,
Speaker 1: so there's nothing. Yeah, I mean it's a real problem.
Speaker 1: So we'll be okay because we're here, but there's so
Speaker 1: many people that are not at their home and those
Speaker 1: are the You'll be driving by and you'll see water
Speaker 1: running down this, you know, down the driveway and you'll
Speaker 1: know that's pipes of burst.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's uh. Well, the only thing I can
Speaker 2: suggest is get the news out there as best you can,
Speaker 2: rich and hope, yeah and hope. Uh, as many people
Speaker 2: as possible can get friends or neighbors or somebody into
Speaker 2: their place and get that water running. All you need
Speaker 2: is just a trickle. You don't need a lot of water.
Speaker 2: It just has to keep flowing. As long as it flows,
Speaker 2: it won't freeze.
Speaker 1: Sage advice from the great Tim McCloud. So, but it's
Speaker 1: it's called hopefully it to warm up here soon. And
Speaker 1: I mean we got pictures and catchers reporting in less
Speaker 1: than a month now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's three weeks because the season starts early.
Speaker 2: I think they've moved spring training up a little bit.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong there, but I believe it's like
Speaker 2: three weeks away. Under thirty eight.
Speaker 1: It's usually right around Valentine's Day, so yes, so that's
Speaker 1: because that's shortly thereafter we do our first year player drafts,
Speaker 1: which we're starting to do. I'm starting still got more
Speaker 1: more sites. I've got to move over leagues. I've got
Speaker 1: to move over to fan tracks.
Speaker 2: So okay, you're going to have any on CBS, there
Speaker 2: is going to be exclusively.
Speaker 1: I think we're moving them all over to fan tracks.
Speaker 1: So in fact, this was talking with their leader over
Speaker 1: there and just he was encouraging me to sending it.
Speaker 1: So we've Timmy have partnered up again with fan tracks.
Speaker 1: So you know, we did some advertisments for them last year.
Speaker 1: We're doing them again this year. And as Tim, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was a longtime CBS player and commissioner, and you
Speaker 1: know that I just grew incredibly frustrated the depth of
Speaker 1: the player pool was not there. They don't have the rules,
Speaker 1: and our rules are aren't all that complicated, But.
Speaker 2: No, sir, they're relatively simple compared to a lot of
Speaker 2: leagues I've seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like, so, the one rule is once
Speaker 1: you got over one hundred innings or three hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty at bats, you have to automatically promote that guy
Speaker 1: to the major leagues or get rid of them. And
Speaker 1: that was a manual intervention. CBS does not have that rule.
Speaker 1: It is so wonderful with fan tracks. You simply type
Speaker 1: that in as a rule, and as soon as it
Speaker 1: gets to one hundred and one innings, it says the
Speaker 1: guys that are no longer alis rule for the minor
Speaker 1: league roster, it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have two choices. Either run with your existing
Speaker 2: roster the rest of the year or make the move
Speaker 2: because the next time you move your roster, everyone't allow
Speaker 2: you until, in fact you correct your roster. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: to think of how much time, especially with multiple leagues
Speaker 2: you'd have to spend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, and the integrity of the league goes
Speaker 1: way up because people some people would you know, just
Speaker 1: forget about, and some people would use it to their advantage.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, you know, they'll keep them down
Speaker 1: until the commissioner finds out about it, then I'll move.
Speaker 1: You know, you have all kinds uh you know, kind
Speaker 1: of trying to play and game the system that way.
Speaker 1: But Fantrax, it's eliminated. It just works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it's done. Yeah. And you know, between
Speaker 2: the player pool and everything else. Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 2: must be smiling every time you see a relatively obscure
Speaker 2: player added to a roster, knowing that with CBS you'd
Speaker 2: have to manually feed that through the system times five,
Speaker 2: six seven, with every number of leagues. Yeah, the time
Speaker 2: on those transactions that was horrendously on the time you
Speaker 2: had to spend.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. But now now everything is in there, everybody
Speaker 1: is in there. We've never had to manually request the
Speaker 1: play be at it. Sometimes they're too quick. I mean,
Speaker 1: sometimes they'll put in guys that are eligible the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six you know draft, and so I mean that's
Speaker 1: i'd rather have that problem than can you add can
Speaker 1: you add a player? So it just works really well.
Speaker 1: I think the software works well. I think it's easy
Speaker 1: to use from a commissioner's standpoint. The web. I know
Speaker 1: people have complained about the mobile site. I think it's
Speaker 1: really good now, so that's really improved. But look, here's
Speaker 1: here's the deal. If you're interested, you want to sign
Speaker 1: up for fan Tracks, use the link fantracks dot com,
Speaker 1: slash Prospect three sixty one. Just sign up and we
Speaker 1: get credit for that, and you also tend to get
Speaker 1: put into a pool to get a sign Vlad Junior
Speaker 1: jersey to a new user. I don't know how it works.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just our guys. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's everybody who's a new user to fan tracks.
Speaker 1: But they've got they've got a Lad Junior jersey out
Speaker 1: there they're going to give away to somebody, and hopefully
Speaker 1: it'll be one of our guys that that signs up.
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Speaker 2: Good stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, Timmy, let's move on here, my friend, let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Sasaki.
Speaker 2: Okay. I prefer just one glass. Once I get into
Speaker 2: the yeah, two and three, I get a little bit woozy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we talk about the important part of it here. Yes,
Speaker 1: the you had him going to the Padres. I gave
Speaker 1: you an option. You could have two guesses. You said, no,
Speaker 1: you're going, You're doubling down. You think it's all Padres.
Speaker 1: I went Padres and Dodgers. Yeah, so also gets he
Speaker 1: gets one there. So I need to review our free
Speaker 1: agent contest how it's going. I still think you're in
Speaker 1: the lead, but I cut it a little bit because
Speaker 1: I got Sasaki right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I I The problem that I
Speaker 2: had with is I just didn't see him signing on
Speaker 2: a team where he would be the third best player
Speaker 2: out of Japan. You know that was That was my
Speaker 2: big concern and the reason that I that I held out.
Speaker 2: And apparently the Jay's finished second again, they're doing rather
Speaker 2: well at that over the past few years. But I
Speaker 2: guess his willingness to play on a team of former
Speaker 2: NBB stars and I end up very very good team
Speaker 2: at that appears to be the deciding factor. I have
Speaker 2: to assume it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody wants to sign with the Dodgers. To me,
Speaker 1: it's just it's crazy. I mean, have you seen the rotation.
Speaker 2: Yes, as a matter of fact, I have. They will
Speaker 2: be able to use a six man rotation this year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they will, And I bet money they're going to
Speaker 2: go with it.
Speaker 1: I think they will. I think a lot of teams
Speaker 1: are gonna start going with six man rotations. But just
Speaker 1: to remind everybody, it is Blake Snow remember him, Timmy
Speaker 1: he signed in the offseason. Yeah, yes, he arguably top
Speaker 1: five stuff in the game. It is nasty, nasty stuff.
Speaker 1: Yamamoda number two starter, also number one stuff as well.
Speaker 1: Third guy Tyler Glasnow probably top five stuff in the
Speaker 1: game as well, can't stay healthy, also number one starter stuff.
Speaker 1: Tony Gonsolin was really good before he got hurt. Roki
Speaker 1: Sasaki there and then you got show Hey Otani there.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only rotation in baseball that has the potential
Speaker 2: I believe to match up to them would be Seattles.
Speaker 2: Nobody else is in the same ballpark.
Speaker 1: I'm not. Yeah, I mean the biggest problem with the
Speaker 1: Dodgers' rotation health. I mean, they've got flake snouts. Everybody
Speaker 1: will stay health healthy. Neither is Tyler Glasta. But then
Speaker 1: you got Dustin May that's still out there, and then
Speaker 1: you got all these young kids that are sitting in
Speaker 1: the minor. Emmit Shean is a good pitcher.
Speaker 2: Rib Ryan has got some skills when he comes back, right,
Speaker 2: he comes.
Speaker 1: Back, I mean em and should be back this season.
Speaker 1: I mean it's in Roblaski is a good pitcher. And
Speaker 1: those guys are simply going to be there to pitch
Speaker 1: innings when people get hurt. And it's just it's amazing
Speaker 1: what they've got their throwing out.
Speaker 2: There well, and you can you can bet your bottom
Speaker 2: dollar that it is going to happen. Is the pictures
Speaker 2: that we mentioned as being part of that regular rotation.
Speaker 2: Will they won't pitch a whole lot in September? Really? No? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you be looking at five inning wings every six. They
Speaker 2: might skip a turn in the rotation. They want those guys,
Speaker 2: they want those guys healthy for the playoffs. Kid Tyler Glasnow, yeah,
Speaker 2: they tried pushing it last year, right, he was up
Speaker 2: well over one hundred innings fairly early by his standards anyways,
Speaker 2: in the season and he just broke down. So why
Speaker 2: would they even attempt to throw glassnow for more than
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty innings. Yeah, if he's had eighty
Speaker 2: eighty five innings as we head Intovember, right or even August,
Speaker 2: they'll just reduce the workloads so they have him healthy
Speaker 2: for the playoffs, right, and they'll be able to do
Speaker 2: it and get away with it.
Speaker 1: I know. It's it's absolutely insane, and I mean they're
Speaker 1: the odds on favorite. I think to repeat, they have
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, I mean they it might not happen,
Speaker 1: but they have to be the odds on favorite to
Speaker 1: be the best team in baseball. And I was just
Speaker 1: reading as we were coming on the air they signed
Speaker 1: also signed Tanner Scott. We'll talk about in a moment.
Speaker 1: They've got their over three hundred and seventy five million dollars,
Speaker 1: well above the threshold. They got so much money to Ford.
Speaker 1: We've talked that nausey about that. It's they're just playing
Speaker 1: a different game. I think Tim made the comment to
Speaker 1: me before we got on air, somebody's going to be
Speaker 1: really right or somebody's going to be really wrong, and
Speaker 1: it's either the Dodgers or rob Manford. Because the rules
Speaker 1: they're playing by a different set of rules.
Speaker 2: Yeah they are. And you know what, obviously they know
Speaker 2: what the bottom line is. They know what the penalties are,
Speaker 2: and they're prepared to pay him. And as long as
Speaker 2: there are teams out there willing to play within the
Speaker 2: framework work of the rules, okay and pay the penalties,
Speaker 2: there's nothing Major League Baseball can do about it.
Speaker 1: So Tim. At this time, Tim, on Friday after rookie
Speaker 1: Sosiety signed and it was an interesting Every team could
Speaker 1: have signed him right he was available for anybody to sign,
Speaker 1: and many teams had more money than the Dodgers had.
Speaker 1: But I always found it curious because the Dodgers were
Speaker 1: the only team not too really settle on a high
Speaker 1: end international player to sign. So it looked like they
Speaker 1: were set up and it had already been decided that
Speaker 1: the Dodgers were going to get a We're going to
Speaker 1: get Sasaki, and that's ultimately where he landed. But Tim says.
Speaker 1: Tim writes to me on January seventeenth, at twelve eleven
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, I'm just curious, and I can tell
Speaker 1: you when I get a note from the SIMP says,
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. I pay attention to it because of
Speaker 1: Jusuy a really good question. Can a team sign a
Speaker 1: player as an international signee and then turn around and
Speaker 1: offer him a ten year extension, say for two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars with a fifty percent of it deferred? Tim,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was a really, really good question.
Speaker 1: And my response to Tim was, I don't believe so.
Speaker 1: But essentially, the Dodgers seemed to be pushing the rules
Speaker 1: and seem to be able to do everything they want.
Speaker 1: I would think this would be a bridge too far
Speaker 1: if they did that, But I don't know if I'd
Speaker 1: put it past them.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, I think in the spirit
Speaker 2: of the rules, I think Major League Baseball would have
Speaker 2: something to say about it. But at the same point
Speaker 2: in time, you see all the time players called up
Speaker 2: to the majors, okay and offered extensions to buy out
Speaker 2: their arbitration eligible years. Yeah, yeah, he had. What is
Speaker 2: to stop the Dodgers from saying, we're going to buy
Speaker 2: out his arbitration years because we think we can get
Speaker 2: a bargain, and we're going to offer him one hundred
Speaker 2: million to buy out those six years, Like there is
Speaker 2: nothing technically and legally, I don't I don't you know
Speaker 2: it's yeah, So I.
Speaker 1: Said there is I said, I don't believe. So there
Speaker 1: is nothing that would prevent them from doing that, except
Speaker 1: it would feel like it is sidestepping the rules that
Speaker 1: would say you you know that there's this he signed
Speaker 1: as a minor league free agent, and you know that's
Speaker 1: how we should be treated in Shoeyotani. The Angels did
Speaker 1: not try to do a similar deal with sho Heeyo Tani.
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't want to sign that deal.
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, but you take a look at
Speaker 2: Evan Longoria. He signed an extension ten minutes before he
Speaker 2: got called up early by the Rais Jack.
Speaker 1: Jackson Cheria did last year eight years, eighty million dollars,
Speaker 1: and you know he was coming up.
Speaker 2: Well, exactly what's the difference between the Dodgers doing that
Speaker 2: with Sazaki versus the Brewers doing it with Cheerio.
Speaker 1: So I don't think there is anything technically. I didn't
Speaker 1: ask anybody, just didn't have time. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's specific rules around Japanese players that they carved out
Speaker 1: or Asian players that come over in this unique situation.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Major League Baseball's carved it out,
Speaker 1: But it would smell I would think if they did
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely it would. But other teams have
Speaker 2: done it with their young players, oh for sure, to
Speaker 2: buy out those arbitration years. So you know, I think
Speaker 2: the Dodgers have a very very good argument in their favor.
Speaker 2: How can the Brewers do it with Cheerio and the
Speaker 2: Dodgers be denied with Suzaki? I know, the whole problem
Speaker 2: could be solved by none of these None of these
Speaker 2: players coming over from Japan should be treated in that
Speaker 2: international pool. That's the gist of the whole problem right
Speaker 2: then and there, and Man removed it from twenty three
Speaker 2: to twenty five, creating a situation where these players are
Speaker 2: coming over now, some of the younger players, and they
Speaker 2: fall into this international pool, and they're pro players, they
Speaker 2: shouldn't be in. That is not the intent I believe
Speaker 2: of the international player signing process.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they move the age would imply
Speaker 1: that Major League Baseball teams then can't turn around and
Speaker 1: sign him to a ten year, two hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: million dollar contract, because then then why do you put
Speaker 1: an age in there to begin with?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let's say somebody likes the most recent signing. Okay,
Speaker 2: that whoever picks up. Okay. A good example said, say
Speaker 2: Oakland signed somebody in the international player draft and within
Speaker 2: a year, Okay, this kid is ready, he's good enough,
Speaker 2: he's ready to go, right, so they then offer him
Speaker 2: to buy out all of his arbitration for one hundred mil.
Speaker 2: Like it can It can happen with international players.
Speaker 1: It can't. I would think what the logic would be
Speaker 1: with in Major League Baseball is all of those international
Speaker 1: players that they're signing are sixteen seventeen years old. Nobody
Speaker 1: in their right mind when they're seventeen years sixteen seventeen
Speaker 1: years old would sign a player for eight years and
Speaker 1: eighty million dollars in Jackson, Cheria. You would have to
Speaker 1: prove yourself in the upper minor leagues to even make
Speaker 1: even do that. What's different here is rookie Sasaki has
Speaker 1: already proven himself in Japan, and if he would have
Speaker 1: waited another year, he would have been offered two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty to three hundred million dollar contracts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, two years. I think it was two years,
Speaker 2: So yeah, he had two years. But again, why why
Speaker 2: is a pro player in Sazaki mixed in with the
Speaker 2: sixteen year old international player that does not That doesn't
Speaker 2: smell right.
Speaker 1: To me, and also would answer a question that's always
Speaker 1: nagged at me is why didn't Sasaki just wait another
Speaker 1: two years and then go for the big money. Maybe
Speaker 1: his agent said, ah, we'll get somebody to do exactly
Speaker 1: what Tim McCleod is suggesting. You'll play six months, Yeah,
Speaker 1: throw throw in half a season, look really good, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden the Dodgers come and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy looks really good, let's buy out his arbitration.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, and all there.
Speaker 2: You go, Well, yeah, you know what they could They
Speaker 2: could probably put a stop to it if it happened tomorrow,
Speaker 2: But two years from now, could they put the stop
Speaker 2: to it when he's in heading into arbitration? I don't
Speaker 2: think they can at that point in time. And the
Speaker 2: two Yeah, hey, the only people who who would ever
Speaker 2: know is the Dodger owner, top executive and Sazaki and
Speaker 2: his age. Did you think anybody would say we made
Speaker 2: this arrangement two years ago. No, because it would it
Speaker 2: would not protect either side, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It would be a collusion. It would be an Atlanta
Speaker 1: Braves type of penalty where they would probably could not
Speaker 1: sign international players for quite a while. But to me,
Speaker 1: if I hear what you're saying, and I with you
Speaker 1: that it's it's a slippery slope here, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: put anything past the Dodgers, I hope that the Dodgers
Speaker 1: do something like this in the next two years, that
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball comes and says you can't do that
Speaker 1: nullifies the contract or says, okay, you're doing that, and
Speaker 1: now we're going to eliminate all these crazy rules.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, something needs to be tidy up, and it
Speaker 2: actually needs to be tied up in Japan as well.
Speaker 2: You know, players coming over early there, you know there
Speaker 2: has there has to be some some changes to the
Speaker 2: rules in place, because they can't look at sazaki and
Speaker 2: treat them like an international player but then change the
Speaker 2: rules and treat them differently at some at some point
Speaker 2: in the future, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's totally agree because of it. So let's say so
Speaker 1: you said that the Toronto Blue Jays came and you
Speaker 1: know they were the runner round. Imagine how pissed they're
Speaker 1: going to be if he's he does this deal, right,
Speaker 1: It's it's like, wait a minute, we might have been
Speaker 1: able to outbid the Dodgers if you would have given
Speaker 1: a we never had that chance to do that. Then
Speaker 1: maybe behind the scenes they were all talking these long
Speaker 1: term contracts anyway, but you could publicly say, hey, we
Speaker 1: should have been given the opportunity, and I think they
Speaker 1: would be right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jay's traded for Miles Straw and two million
Speaker 2: bucks worth of international money. They didn't make that deal
Speaker 2: for Miles Straw. Yeah, from what I can understand, the
Speaker 2: Jays have been working this for years, you know, in
Speaker 2: contact with his representatives, et cetera. They've been working really
Speaker 2: really hard to make this signing and it just evaporated
Speaker 2: into nothing overnight. And hey, thems the breaks. But at
Speaker 2: the same point in time, if the J's are probably
Speaker 2: sitting back saying, yeah, the Dodgers are going to find
Speaker 2: some way to extend him and we're going to get
Speaker 2: not only we get screwed on the first deal because
Speaker 2: we had the most money to offer, which had to
Speaker 2: an international sixteen year old. An extra two million bucks
Speaker 2: is two million bucks to a guy like Ruby Sazaki
Speaker 2: who's got money already. It's two million bucks as peanuts.
Speaker 1: Yep. I. So to answer the final exclamation mark on
Speaker 1: the question you gave me, I hope it. I hope
Speaker 1: that on April first they signed him to a large contract.
Speaker 1: And this thing just blows up in the media, blows
Speaker 1: up across baseball because something's not right this. It sounds
Speaker 1: like the rules just are not right. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who believe in agents that I talked to,
Speaker 1: and rightly so, that the drafts are really an illegal
Speaker 1: way to keep salary, you know, kind of pushed down
Speaker 1: that everybody really should be a free agent, be able
Speaker 1: to sign as much money as they want given the market.
Speaker 1: And I think it's definitely true with these EDU cases
Speaker 1: like Sasaki, who were already established and if you'd been
Speaker 1: two years older, he would have been signing a contract
Speaker 1: similar to Yamamoto.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if a player is a pro player,
Speaker 2: he should not be eligible under any circumstances for the
Speaker 2: international draft, the international signing period, and those players was
Speaker 2: not set up to be able to handle circumstances like
Speaker 2: we saw with Roki Sazaki. Am we'll see in the
Speaker 2: future and something something's got to give my friend, Yes,
Speaker 2: it does, really does.
Speaker 1: And and the Dodgers. You know, Time's point is well taken.
Speaker 1: They are pushing the envelope big time. And you could
Speaker 1: definitely see this going down. Uh, and I hope it
Speaker 1: does because I love stuff like this. It's good to
Speaker 1: talk about. That's why we wanted very much somebody with long,
Speaker 1: stringy hair to go to the Yankees. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like beard and it would refuse to shave. So but
Speaker 1: unfortunately we haven't had our wish granted there.
Speaker 2: Oh, it'll happen someday, Tommy.
Speaker 1: Just take a break, get back, and let's go through
Speaker 1: your second base rankings.
Speaker 2: Sounds good.
Speaker 1: The first time I have a dad joke for you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like dad jokes, you know that.
Speaker 1: I know you do. Let me actually bring up the
Speaker 1: rankings here while i'm second base here. It is so
Speaker 1: so football football, since we're in the middle of the playoffs,
Speaker 1: which I actually watched the Lourie's a big Washington Commanders
Speaker 1: that's the old Washington Redskins, and we watched the game
Speaker 1: last night, Timmy. It was exciting. I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: So I get to watch another game next week because
Speaker 1: they won that game. But anyway, a young, a small
Speaker 1: college hired a football coach to lead the team. The
Speaker 1: team wasn't very good, so he was hard to lead
Speaker 1: their team. And when the guy was announcing and went
Speaker 1: to all the fanfares of being announced, he went to
Speaker 1: his office and he opened the drawer and he found
Speaker 1: three envelopes inside the drawer. One said open if after
Speaker 1: the first losing season. The second envelope said open after
Speaker 1: the second losing season. The third envelope said open after
Speaker 1: the third losing season. He thought that was weird, said okay, well,
Speaker 1: shoved them to the back of the drawer. First season
Speaker 1: comes and goes. Team didn't play well, tim so he said, man,
Speaker 1: it was tough season, and he was thinking about these
Speaker 1: three envelopes. So went and dug around the drawer found
Speaker 1: the one that said open after the first season. He
Speaker 1: opened it up and it was from the former coach
Speaker 1: who said, what you need to do was blame it
Speaker 1: on the former coach. That the former coach that was here,
Speaker 1: say that you're gonna do better, it'll all go well.
Speaker 1: So that's what he did. He went out to the
Speaker 1: microphone the next day and he blamed it on the
Speaker 1: former coach and the fans and the media all acknowledge that,
Speaker 1: and the guy had a chance to do it again.
Speaker 1: Second year comes and they unfortunately have another losing season.
Speaker 1: So he remembers these envelopes. Now he goes back and
Speaker 1: he pulls he opens the second one. He goes, blame
Speaker 1: it on the administration, is what the former coach says,
Speaker 1: They didn't support you. The fans in the media will
Speaker 1: buy that. Goes out the next day. Timmy blames it
Speaker 1: on the administration and the media and the fans are
Speaker 1: all good with him. Unfortunately, the third season comes to
Speaker 1: him and what is it, another losing season. The guy
Speaker 1: is very aware of this third envelope. He goes, all right,
Speaker 1: so he goes after the season opens, the desk opens
Speaker 1: the third envelope and it says, start creating three envelopes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of a lot of coaches
Speaker 1: and major and managers all have that thing going on.
Speaker 1: So Timmy, I'm going to give you major kudos on
Speaker 1: the second base rankings if if for no other reason,
Speaker 1: we have some differences in how they're going in the NFBC,
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit more fun to talk about.
Speaker 1: So well done there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took a look at some of the numbers
Speaker 2: and said, yeah, there won't be any problems discussing discussing
Speaker 2: second base and coming up with the it's not it's
Speaker 2: not shocked the NFBC, not by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1: The top is and we'll get into that in a moment.
Speaker 1: But Timmy, why don't you tell us and share with
Speaker 1: us how you are handling second base, you personally, how
Speaker 1: you're going to handle second base this season?
Speaker 2: Well, I think when you look, I think it's a
Speaker 2: very light top end, okay, ing that you've got basically,
Speaker 2: you know, kateel Marte at the head of the class
Speaker 2: and L Twove, Ozzie Alby's and Marcus Semi and following
Speaker 2: following in the top one hundred that after that, there's
Speaker 2: a host of options that all seem to fall into
Speaker 2: basically good but not great. And I'm I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the mid tier. That's that's where I'm coming from when
Speaker 2: it comes to second base. You know, when you start
Speaker 2: looking at you know, L two V in the third,
Speaker 2: fourth round and Ozzy Alby's fourth fifth, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 2: pass there, and I'm gonna I'm gonna look at trying
Speaker 2: to add either pitching, first base or outfield, okay, into
Speaker 2: into those rounds where you're top tier of second base
Speaker 2: are going and I'm gonna pick from the mid tier.
Speaker 2: And there's a host of names that all offer you know,
Speaker 2: solid that not great players, but you can more than
Speaker 2: get by. There's a I'm just trying to think of
Speaker 2: the right way of putting it. There's an abundance of
Speaker 2: average type players, then you can pick and choose from them.
Speaker 1: I think there's some really good players late. I agree
Speaker 1: with you. And for those Patreon members who've read my
Speaker 1: draft targets, and I encourage everybody, go out Patreon patr
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Speaker 1: You not only get my targets, you get expanded coverage
Speaker 1: of Tim's rankings. So it's thank you very much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so really good stuff out there. But I I
Speaker 1: analyzed second base and I kind of came to that
Speaker 1: conclusion as well. I love Katel Marte, but after that,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm not gonna look. I have a statue,
Speaker 1: as everybody knows, of Josey Altuve and Brandon Belt playing
Speaker 1: catch in my front lawn. Right I mean, I do
Speaker 1: so I love Jose Altuve, it is no longer the
Speaker 1: same He is not the same guy anymore. The power
Speaker 1: bat speed is down, the eggs velocities are down out
Speaker 1: Ossie Albi's started that last season, it's continuing this year,
Speaker 1: so he's not the same guy either, even though he's
Speaker 1: not all that old. Speed has really ticked down on
Speaker 1: both of those guys. I don't get it. I don't
Speaker 1: know how. I don't know how Jose al Tuovey is
Speaker 1: still doing what he's doing. I mean, the data says
Speaker 1: he can't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, if they fall far enough, they'll have
Speaker 2: my attention for sure. But I haven't. I haven't seen
Speaker 2: that occurring. And again, you know, Marcus Semians don't spring
Speaker 2: chicken either.
Speaker 1: Nope, you know so.
Speaker 2: I think I think as a player, when trying to
Speaker 2: structure structure your team, I think you're wiser looking at
Speaker 2: other options where Ltov and Ossy Alby's and markers where
Speaker 2: they're currently falling. I think in your overall team construction,
Speaker 2: you can do much better by leaving them there and
Speaker 2: heading in another direction and then working off the players
Speaker 2: from round eight through to round fourteen. Uh, in your
Speaker 2: draft and filling in, filling in your second base position.
Speaker 2: From that range of players, I think the overall is weak.
Speaker 1: I'm in violent I'm in violent agreement. I totally totally
Speaker 1: back up what you're saying, and the data really backs
Speaker 1: up that as well. And I just want to warn
Speaker 1: everybody be really careful with jose Al TV and Ozzy
Speaker 1: Albi's do not overdraft those guys. I mean, they could
Speaker 1: still perform very very well, but there's creeks, and particularly
Speaker 1: with Josel Tuv's case, some big creeks that are starting
Speaker 1: to form there well.
Speaker 2: And you got to look at Ozzie Alby's only been
Speaker 2: healthy two in the past four seasons. Those two seasons
Speaker 2: have been very very good, but the other two you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been happy having him on your team those
Speaker 2: two years.
Speaker 1: No anything more to say about Catel Marte, jose Al two,
Speaker 1: the ASI Ali's Marcus Simmi, they're one through four is
Speaker 1: exactly where they're going in the NFBC.
Speaker 2: H The only thing I've part of my narrative on
Speaker 2: kJ Al Marte man he had a year last year.
Speaker 2: You know, he bested his peers by thirteen home runs
Speaker 2: twenty one RBIs and finished the season the only player
Speaker 2: at second base to top both the eight hundred and nine
Speaker 2: hundred OPS numbers. Yeah, kJ al Marte is in a
Speaker 2: league onto himself at second base right now. Amazing year
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: And you know he was one of those guys to
Speaker 1: me for a while was a big home run year,
Speaker 1: poor home run year. But he's he physically got bigger
Speaker 1: a few years ago. And that's carry fort. He is
Speaker 1: thirty one years old. But average eggs of velossi ninety
Speaker 1: eight percentile hard hit rates in ninety six percentile bat
Speaker 1: speed seventy eight. I mean the square up rate, which
Speaker 1: is getting maximum effect of your leverage and your bat
Speaker 1: speeds at seventy eighty excuse me, eighty nine percent. This
Speaker 1: is tremendous eighty fifth percent on walk rate seventy second.
Speaker 1: And there's few a few players in Baseball's Baseball Savant
Speaker 1: page look as good as his does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know there is but one of them.
Speaker 2: And you said he's in a league all to himself
Speaker 2: at second base, he really is.
Speaker 1: Yep. Now the speed is gone, so it's you know,
Speaker 1: five to ten stolen basis. But I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a guy that's hitting the ball, hitting it well, and
Speaker 1: man it's impressive.
Speaker 2: Y yep, very much. So.
Speaker 1: Jordan Westberg at number five. You start to get interested
Speaker 1: in Jordan Westburg.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a twenty five eighty five RBI
Speaker 2: season in his future, and I think it could be
Speaker 2: as early as this year.
Speaker 1: Plus he's also at third base too, is and that
Speaker 1: that that helps?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So sixty seven games at third base last year, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's a plus definitely.
Speaker 1: So any okay, so those are our top five. So
Speaker 1: let's go to the next group here. Why am okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Next one, you love yourself some. Bryce Terrang
Speaker 1: at six, Luis Garcia Junior, who, amazingly his ADP rank
Speaker 1: this year is one twenty point five to nine. Last
Speaker 1: year was five ninety three. Good on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, even look at Terrang, he's up three
Speaker 2: hundred spots of the eight.
Speaker 1: That is true. Matt McClain, who dropped a little bit
Speaker 1: because he was hurt. M cal Garcia, congratulations pushing him
Speaker 1: up there, Tim seven spots, way to go. And Jackson
Speaker 1: Holliday up seven spots. Timmy loves himself some mcl garcia
Speaker 1: and Jackson Holly. But let's talk Bryce terrang up two slots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, when you when when you finished third dollar
Speaker 2: baseball with fifty two stolen bases, that counts. You know,
Speaker 2: the power is limited. But he broke out last year,
Speaker 2: had a great year, and if you're looking at controlling
Speaker 2: the stolen base market, fifty of them gives you. Gives
Speaker 2: you a pretty good start at that, doesn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll do fifty again. But I
Speaker 1: mean there's no power, their speed he can hit, that's
Speaker 1: just who the player is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think if I was going to set
Speaker 2: a floor on terrain, I would say it probably at forty.
Speaker 1: Ninety four percent Island sprint speed. He looks like the
Speaker 1: Brewers love running him. I think that's reasonable.
Speaker 2: Was she?
Speaker 1: I wish she hit at the top of the lineup more,
Speaker 1: but he just doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's again, that's why if he had fifteen homers
Speaker 2: to go along with those stole in bases, he'd probably
Speaker 2: be the number two ranked second basement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's no power. I mean there's none. It's
Speaker 1: no average ex velocity, fourteenth percentile bat speed, second percent time.
Speaker 1: He's a double hitter. That's where this guy is, but
Speaker 1: he can hit and he's got speed. There is no question, yes,
Speaker 1: Lewis Garcia Junior, anything more to say about him after
Speaker 1: his tremendous.
Speaker 2: Season twenty four years old and he fell to Homer
Speaker 2: short of a twenty twenty season. That's impressive and I'm
Speaker 2: warranting of a top ten placing in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Agreed, coming in at number eight is Matt McClain. Down
Speaker 1: two slots, but I still think you like Matt McClain.
Speaker 2: I do like Matt McClain. And when you look at
Speaker 2: this this top ten, if he stays healthy and I
Speaker 2: think there's a potential for a twenty five to twenty
Speaker 2: five type season, I wouldn't be at all shocked if
Speaker 2: he stays healthy and performance to the levels I think
Speaker 2: he can perform. Too that he's your number two ranked
Speaker 2: second basement next year, but he's got to do it
Speaker 2: and he hasn't so you know, he's.
Speaker 1: Also got to stay at second base. And you know
Speaker 1: there's been a lot as we talked at nauseum about
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Reds. They're collecting infielders, so somebody's not gonna
Speaker 1: play in the infield.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. They're talking about moving him to the outfield.
Speaker 2: But again, Matt McLean's got a lot of talent, a
Speaker 2: lot of skills. He's got to stay on the field
Speaker 2: and get it done.
Speaker 1: Look, I talked big up mckel garcia last year. He
Speaker 1: kind of broke my heart a little bit with his
Speaker 1: lack of walks, just chases everything. But the stolen bases
Speaker 1: were there. I still think there's more power. What say you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, all he all he needs is more than a
Speaker 2: half dozen more home runs to go along with the
Speaker 2: high thirty stolen bases. And yeah, yeah, he's got the
Speaker 2: potential to be a top five second basement. He needs
Speaker 2: he needs to.
Speaker 1: Walk more than once a week though, I mean he
Speaker 1: otherwise he's gonna be hitting at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: lineup and that's not good for anybody.
Speaker 2: Well, no, he's no Sedan Rafael, but some improvement would
Speaker 2: be nice. Yes, I agree.
Speaker 1: And it's also good that he's he's eligible both at
Speaker 1: second and third base. It's good good defender as well.
Speaker 1: I mcal Garcia is still very young. So if you're
Speaker 1: like me and you're you're a big fan, and you're
Speaker 1: you're potentially going to be commissioning you know, another statue
Speaker 1: in the you know, the play joining the Catch with
Speaker 1: Jose altuv and and and the Brandon Belt. I think
Speaker 1: if you're at that level with macl Garcia, I just
Speaker 1: realized he's terribly young.
Speaker 2: Still, well yeah, and you know, you look, I've got
Speaker 2: them seven spots up on the NFBC. Who's got them
Speaker 2: at sixteen? Okay? But when I look at you know,
Speaker 2: the NFVC has Renifo ahead of him, Bryson Stadt, m
Speaker 2: and A is at twelve, Nico Horner. I think all
Speaker 2: those guys have established floors. We know who they are, okay,
Speaker 2: and they're fine players. But I'm gonna take my Michael
Speaker 2: Garcia ahead of Bryson Stott and Andrea's m and is
Speaker 2: a negro every day of the week. It's not even
Speaker 2: a close decision for me, because I think we haven't
Speaker 2: seen the peak of Michael Garcia, but I think we
Speaker 2: know very well with Bryson Stott Andres m and As
Speaker 2: are as players. They're not bad players. But when in doubt,
Speaker 2: I'm always going to bump up players that I believe
Speaker 2: have more potential than what we've seen, and Garcia falls
Speaker 2: into that category for me.
Speaker 1: Inspect the batting average is two sixty. So there's definitely
Speaker 1: some upside in that two thirty one batting average you
Speaker 1: put together, which will help his on base percentage a
Speaker 1: little bit. But he really does need to needs to
Speaker 1: tone down the aggressive event at the plate. And we
Speaker 1: got Jackson how Holady coming in at number ten, and
Speaker 1: we both love Jackson Holiday.
Speaker 2: This year, well, you know, he struggled badly in that
Speaker 2: first goal workout. There's no way to deny it. He
Speaker 2: was terrible, but he went yeah, but he went back
Speaker 2: to Triple A and did everything that got him the
Speaker 2: invite in the first place, right, and you look at
Speaker 2: the numbers he produced in Triple A. I believe the
Speaker 2: upside sky high, and I think I think it's going
Speaker 2: to be good enough this year that I've moved him
Speaker 2: to the number ten spot.
Speaker 1: I went, I'm right there with you, Timmy. I mean
Speaker 1: I got him and you both we both have him
Speaker 1: in our early drafts this season, and look, it might
Speaker 1: not work out, but the data looks good on this guy.
Speaker 1: He's fast, he hits the ball harder than you think.
Speaker 1: I think there's something here with this kid, and I
Speaker 1: refuse to believe he's going to be a washup. Twenty
Speaker 1: one years old. Remember that, everybody, he's twenty he's a baby,
Speaker 1: he's twenty one years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again he's another player that I believe, you know,
Speaker 2: along with McLain and Garcia, that can move rapidly up
Speaker 2: the charts this season if he produces even to fIF
Speaker 2: sixty percent of what I believe he's capable of doing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're all in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we take a break, I will say that
Speaker 1: second base, I always ask you the question, who not
Speaker 1: in the top ten has chance to be in the
Speaker 1: top ten. I think we're going to see this year
Speaker 1: could see a big flip flop of guys at the top,
Speaker 1: with the alto V's and Ossi Albi's and Marcusimion dropping in,
Speaker 1: the Garcia's, McClain's and Holidays moving up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to continue doing this podcast, so I'll
Speaker 2: leave l to me in the top five, but everybody
Speaker 2: else is fair game. Oh is that rich?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's true to me. Let's take a break,
Speaker 1: it back and let's continue on with the list. Good
Speaker 1: stuff too. One thing I wanted to do, let's see, yeah,
Speaker 1: is I wanted to take a moment and tell you
Speaker 1: what the last picks in my dinings and my NFBC
Speaker 1: draft and holds war. Would you like to hear that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Cool.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that the first segment and forgot to.
Speaker 1: So let me just bring up the draft board that
Speaker 1: the draft is over. Took exactly three weeks, which was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Yeah, that's yeah, it's a good pace.
Speaker 1: I made at least two picks every day, which is
Speaker 1: you can't ask for more than that, and so it
Speaker 1: was fun. Let's see so again, I was picking in
Speaker 1: the thirteenth slot. I'll just give you thirty through fifty.
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned Kyle TiAl and Nariel Rodriguez at
Speaker 1: twenty nine and thirty. Then I went Jose Cantanna, which
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's going to get a job
Speaker 1: at thirty one. You need, you need pitching in these
Speaker 1: NFC drafting holes. Then I went for three young kids
Speaker 1: in a row, Nick Kurtz, Chandler Simpson, and terso or Neelius.
Speaker 2: There we go. You could I like it. I like
Speaker 2: it a lot.
Speaker 1: I think I think we see Nick Nick Kurtz this year,
Speaker 1: Chandler Simpsons, who knows, but if he comes up its
Speaker 1: instant stolen bases and you need wild cards like that
Speaker 1: in this particular format. In terso anielas last I looked
Speaker 1: to me he still got the job. So we'll see.
Speaker 2: And I think he hit twenty three home runs last
Speaker 2: year at Triple A with ninety some odd RBIs with
Speaker 2: a good batting average. Yeah. Hey, if he's got I
Speaker 2: don't see how the podres right now can't have him
Speaker 2: in that everyday lineup.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I mean there's still i'm as sending some
Speaker 1: some low level one year signs that are out there
Speaker 1: that maybe they they bring in. But I'm betting in
Speaker 1: the thirty fourth round he gets a shot coming in
Speaker 1: number thirty five. Got another boring pitcher, Michael Lorenzen. He's
Speaker 1: not that good, but you need those guys. I dip
Speaker 1: back into the Tyler Black.
Speaker 2: World.
Speaker 1: I got him in the thirty sixth round, follow up
Speaker 1: by Brian Ramos, who Mike get a shot in the
Speaker 1: White Sox at thirty seven. Then I come back to
Speaker 1: the Star. Yeah, you know. Then I come back in
Speaker 1: the thirty eighth round. Remember Tristan McKenzie. Tristan McKenzie in
Speaker 1: the thirty eighth round. I thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Cayden Dannon I was, I think he should go a
Speaker 1: lot higher as one of my targets, and I grabbed
Speaker 1: him in the thirty ninth round, the fortieth round. My
Speaker 1: buddy's Zach Veen at forty and at number forty one,
Speaker 1: I thought this was criminal that Chris Bryant was in
Speaker 1: the forty first round. Look, he might be nothing, but
Speaker 1: in a draft and hold league, I'm willing to take
Speaker 1: a game on the f forty first round.
Speaker 2: If he's healthy and has a hot two weeks, get
Speaker 2: him going.
Speaker 1: Then I wanted to bet on the Colorado Rockies bullpen somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, but I went Victor Vodnik because we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens there. I cornered the market with my forty
Speaker 1: forty third pick with the Chicago White Sox, catching I
Speaker 1: already had. I only had Kyle Teal, so I went
Speaker 1: Corey Lee. So I'm thinking for Lee starts and then
Speaker 1: I get Kyle Teal to back him up. Another picture
Speaker 1: that I like a lot is Carson wisen Hunt with
Speaker 1: the San Francisco Giants. I got him in the forty
Speaker 1: fifth round or forty fourth round. Use forty fifth round.
Speaker 1: My buddy, your buddy, Travis Bazana, coming into the Cleveland Guardians.
Speaker 2: Yep, there you go.
Speaker 1: Then I got Mitch Spence with the Athletics. I think
Speaker 1: he's going to get some starts there. Who knows about that.
Speaker 1: Aj Minterter, I know he's a set up guy and
Speaker 1: now in the Mets. But it's a good picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good picture. Hey, if you don't you
Speaker 2: need pitching. It doesn't matter how many you draft. By
Speaker 2: the time you get to August, you're going to be
Speaker 2: one light, aren't you. It's just the way it works.
Speaker 1: Then, uh, you know it was it was going to
Speaker 1: be pedro Leone or this guy as my who the
Speaker 1: hell knows? And I went with not pedro Leone. I
Speaker 1: went with Jacob Marcy. I said I was going to
Speaker 1: take him at the end of the draft. I took
Speaker 1: him with a forty eighth pick. Came back with jose
Speaker 1: Leclerk and Robbie Snelling to wind it up. So, uh,
Speaker 1: Snelling down.
Speaker 2: You might get something out of you might get something
Speaker 2: under the clerk in Oakland. I thought, so, yeah, Miller,
Speaker 2: there's no guarantees he's going to be healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to get hurt. So exactly what I
Speaker 1: was thinking the same thing with aj Mentor. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Edwin Diaz pulls a hammy and is
Speaker 1: out for three or four weeks and I get six
Speaker 1: or seven save opportunities.
Speaker 2: So yeah, good for you. That's that's a great way
Speaker 2: to finish up. I'm just gonna give you. I made
Speaker 2: my last two picks in the second draft I was in,
Speaker 2: and I think you'll like these two. I went with
Speaker 2: Thomas Harrington, Oh okay, and yes, and Baldwin. I think
Speaker 2: Harrington's gonna I think all the love that Bubba Chandler
Speaker 2: is getting Thomas Harrington might get the results this year.
Speaker 1: And you went Drake Baldwin as your last pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we drafted the doubling down on braves catching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you double down a braves pat catching, which
Speaker 1: I prefer overrom doubling down the White Sox catching. But
Speaker 1: it is what it is.
Speaker 2: It is. Hopefully between the two of us we get
Speaker 2: one good one out of the two.
Speaker 1: Right again, I would rather double down braves catching, but
Speaker 1: I have a White Sox. What can I say? So
Speaker 1: that is our top ten. We review the Tompson in
Speaker 1: second base to me, let's go a lot through twenty.
Speaker 1: I'll read the names out and we'll talk about him.
Speaker 1: Luis Rahifo at eleven, Jake Cronenworth at twelve, up twelve spots,
Speaker 1: well done, Bryson Stott at thirteen, Colt Keith up six
Speaker 1: spots at number fourteen, Andres Zeminez at fifteen. Let's stop there.
Speaker 1: Jake Cronenworth will why up twelve spots?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you take a look at Jake Jake
Speaker 2: cronin Worth. Oh, I'll just be a second here. I
Speaker 2: hate pop ups. Did I ever mention that? There we go? Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm on I'm on roder Wires page and I got
Speaker 2: an advertisement?
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: When you look at Croninworth, Okay, go back to twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's kind of boring. But if you take a look
Speaker 2: at twenty twenty one, twenty one homers, seventy one RBIs
Speaker 2: twenty two, seventeen eighty eight, twenty three not a good year,
Speaker 2: ten forty eight, twenty four, seventeen eighty three. So he's
Speaker 2: best at seventeen homers and three of the last four years. Okay,
Speaker 2: we've seen eighty RBIs plus in two of those years.
Speaker 2: And the batting averages, yeah, two thirty nine two forty
Speaker 2: somewhere in that range perfectly boring. But where do you
Speaker 2: find the eighty RBIs at second base? Jake Cronerworth. I
Speaker 2: I sort of get why he's down a little bit,
Speaker 2: but I think he's a pretty safe play to produce
Speaker 2: some decent RBI numbers and home run numbers for you,
Speaker 2: and he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: He also has dual eligibility, which also helps. So ah,
Speaker 2: I think when you get past oh, we'll say pick
Speaker 2: ten or so okay. A lot of these players like
Speaker 2: Grenefo and Cronerworth and Stott, Keith and Himnez, they're certa
Speaker 2: of interchangeable. You need spate speed, while Stott and Jiminez power.
Speaker 2: You can look at cold Keith in the upside. Cronin
Speaker 2: Worth is just boring old Jake Croninworth and he gets
Speaker 2: it done. So I've moved him up because of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake Croniworth was a guy that I mentioned in
Speaker 1: my targets as look, he's boring, but I think Tim
Speaker 1: is absolutely right if you're looking for a little bit
Speaker 1: more power and RBIs, it's a guy that is not
Speaker 1: a terrible pick for your second base. I like it.
Speaker 1: Nicole Keith. You've also moved up six lots. Tell us why.
Speaker 2: Well, because he didn't his first home run last year
Speaker 2: until May twenty fourth, I believe it. I believe it
Speaker 2: was June first was the day that he finally got
Speaker 2: is ops over six hundred. He didn't get out of
Speaker 2: the gate very strong. But all I have to do
Speaker 2: is take a look at what he did at double
Speaker 2: and TRIPAA in twenty twenty three, and I believe the
Speaker 2: best is yet to come. It's going to be at
Speaker 2: first base according to the Tigers, but I think there's
Speaker 2: a lot more potential there than people are giving him
Speaker 2: credit for. And I like cold Keith a lot. I
Speaker 2: think he gives you the potential for twenty five plus
Speaker 2: home runs.
Speaker 1: Who would you rather own this season? Colt Keith or oh,
Speaker 1: just the name just escaped me. The first baseman with
Speaker 1: the Cubs, Michael Bush, Cole Keith, Yeah, I think so too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Coming at number fifteen as Andre z Eeminez, down three
Speaker 1: spots from where the NFBC has Why why why the lower.
Speaker 2: Ranking because I've got Cole Keith and j Cronenworth up higher.
Speaker 2: In a nutshell, if you're looking for speed, im and
Speaker 2: as We'll give you that speed, but there's no power, okay,
Speaker 2: And I think you can find speed at second base
Speaker 2: in a lot of different areas, okay, So I'm going
Speaker 2: to give the power edge and the RBI potential a
Speaker 2: bit of a bump up in this range. And that's
Speaker 2: exactly where the did. I'm not down on him, and
Speaker 2: as I just you know, i'd rather look at the
Speaker 2: RBI totals from Kronerworth Keith.
Speaker 1: I'm down on Zeminez when I mentioned it when he
Speaker 1: was moved to Toronto. I think he's overpaid. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's that good. He's he's got speed and nothing else.
Speaker 1: So the guys like that have a tendency to kind
Speaker 1: of flame out. I think we're starting to see that
Speaker 1: with m ands Well.
Speaker 2: And that's why I've got Bryson stud up a few spots,
Speaker 2: because at least there's some power with Stuck.
Speaker 1: And does not hit the ball hard at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no power there, and yeah, you know, in the end,
Speaker 1: you need power because that's that's how you have a
Speaker 1: higher batting average. Balls in play by hitting the ballhard
Speaker 1: so it gets to the infield for hard or so,
Speaker 1: and speed fades so just be careful. Everybody's he's a
Speaker 1: good defender, so it's going to get a chance to play.
Speaker 1: But man, offensively, I don't know. Yeah, it's through sixteen
Speaker 1: through twenty. Nico Horner at sixteen, Zach Goeloff at seventeen,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Indy up five slots. I love that at number eighteen,
Speaker 1: s Rise for Lewis A Rise is down six and
Speaker 1: glabor Torres down five. Let's start with glabor Tourus. It's
Speaker 1: glabor Tourists him.
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, it's glaber Taurus. It's about where I
Speaker 2: think you should be after that twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, hey, he's got to he's got to find
Speaker 2: a way to bounce back to twenty two and twenty three.
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced it's gonna happen in Detroit. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not overly bullish on Glabra Taurus at at all.
Speaker 2: I you know, when I when I look at what
Speaker 2: cronin Worth and Keith Offer, okay, and possibly Jonathan India, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm very happy to look at those three players
Speaker 2: if I'm looking for power and is glabor tor Is
Speaker 2: going to hit in the leadofs But where's he going
Speaker 2: to hit in Detroit? It's a little bit of a mess.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm just not bullish on Glabor Turus.
Speaker 1: So if I go back on the way back machine,
Speaker 1: and I could have this scenario wrong. But Tim in
Speaker 1: one of our dynasty leagues, made a really nice trade
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say four or five years ago, maybe longer,
Speaker 1: where he traded Michael Trout for Juan Soto and Glabor Torres.
Speaker 1: Is Glabor Torres the right second player?
Speaker 2: Yes? And Tristan McKenzie was the third.
Speaker 1: Oh was it Tristan McCaw gret. Wow. Yeah. So obviously
Speaker 1: it was a great trade regardless of anything. But would
Speaker 1: you trade it for Labor Torres back five years ago?
Speaker 1: Did you expect more out of Labor Torres than you
Speaker 1: ultimately got?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I did too. I think that's the right answer. He
Speaker 1: just well, it's been good but not great.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if I'm not mistaken, when we made
Speaker 2: that deal, Torres was coming off that big. It was
Speaker 2: either as I think it was his second year. He's
Speaker 2: now twenty eight. The data is LORNI Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think when we acquired him it was after the twenty
Speaker 2: four seventy seven rookie season, and then he went to
Speaker 2: thirty eight ninety and Ecstasy was ruling the roost. You know,
Speaker 2: thirty eight homers. After that we saw three nine in
Speaker 2: the short season and twenty four to twenty five seventy
Speaker 2: six sixty, which is fine. But fifteen home run sixty
Speaker 2: three RBIs and a two fifty seven average, that's not. No,
Speaker 2: we weren't expecting twenty twenty four. Now, granted we had
Speaker 2: three really good years, but I just you know, his
Speaker 2: strike up straight. Struck out one hundred and thirty six
Speaker 2: times last year. Okay, the prior year to that, he
Speaker 2: struck out ninety eight times, and he was doing some
Speaker 2: flailing last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking at the data now, and I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's he's a good player. It's just I
Speaker 1: thought there'd be more. I mean, the average ex of
Speaker 1: a lost and heart ed rates are twenty three percentile
Speaker 1: forty percentile. There's no speed. The speed is just just apeared.
Speaker 1: He controls the strikes un fairly well, but at twenty
Speaker 1: eight years old, I would have thought the speed would
Speaker 1: have stayed intact or we would have seen a power
Speaker 1: purst and they both have turned the wrong way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have. And you know, you go back to
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen and you look at that. You know, as
Speaker 2: a twenty two year old, thirty eight homers ninety RBIs
Speaker 2: okay to seventy eight average, and he scored ninety six runs.
Speaker 2: That's an impressive season. He hasn't come anywhere close to
Speaker 2: that since.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that twenty two season, his average ex of vlassi
Speaker 1: was seventy six percent of hard rates, seventy seven percentile.
Speaker 1: And then this year, what did I say, like twenty three,
Speaker 1: I mean he's just dropped off and twenty eight that
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense, which then you begin to wonder
Speaker 1: if he's really twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, but I'm not betting on real
Speaker 2: good things from Torres. I think he'll be an okay,
Speaker 2: second basement. But there's a lot of guys that I
Speaker 2: would prefer to have on my team than glabor Taurus.
Speaker 1: Yep, for sure, take another break, Timmy come back and
Speaker 1: let's start popping around these uh after twenty here, we've
Speaker 1: got twenty one. We've got Brandon Uh, Brandon Lao, it's
Speaker 1: Brandon lau right.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, it's it's low. Yeah. The other one's low.
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna skip twenty two for a moment.
Speaker 1: Come back to that. Uh Brendon Donovan at twenty three,
Speaker 1: Jose Cavalerio at twenty four, Hassan Kim at twenty five.
Speaker 1: Is that that's Hassan? Is that Hayson? That's a doctor kid?
Speaker 2: That's that's a Dodger kid.
Speaker 1: Yes, Spencer Horowitz, that's uh at twenty six. Uh, Thyrus
Speaker 1: Astrati at twenty seven, Otto Lopez a twenty eight, Willy
Speaker 1: Willie Castro at twenty nine, and Dylan Moore thirty like
Speaker 1: Dylan Moore for drafting Wold leagues. But at number twenty
Speaker 1: two is Xander Bogarts.
Speaker 2: I hate I hate me some Bullgarts, don't I?
Speaker 1: He is thirty, He is going ninth overall in the NFBC,
Speaker 1: and Tim has him at twenty second. Explain yourself, McLeod.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I think a lot of people are are
Speaker 2: betting on the Xander Bogarts from twenty nineteen and not
Speaker 2: the one that we've seen since. Okay, since twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: when he had that big season in Boston, had thirty
Speaker 2: three home runs, runs, drove in one hundred and seventeen
Speaker 2: follow that up with an eleven home run season, a
Speaker 2: twenty three home run season fifteen nineteen, and last year
Speaker 2: eleven home runs, forty four RBIs two sixty. The batting
Speaker 2: average has gone from the three hundreds down to two
Speaker 2: sixty four, trending down from the priory to eighty five.
Speaker 2: And I think if you're looking at Xander Bulgarts, we're
Speaker 2: talking about a player who hasn't hit twenty home runs
Speaker 2: but once in the past five years. He hasn't bested
Speaker 2: eighty RBIs in the past five years. He had a
Speaker 2: high of nineteen stolen bases going back two years ago.
Speaker 2: I just don't get it. I don't see Xander Bogarts
Speaker 2: as a strong option at second base, and I think
Speaker 2: the numbers back me up on it. So hey, if
Speaker 2: you're hoping for the glory days of twenty nineteen, I'm no,
Speaker 2: they're gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the power looks like it's gone twenty eight percent
Speaker 1: on on bat speed, hard at rate sixteenth percentime Again,
Speaker 1: little injured last year, so you give them a little
Speaker 1: bit of a passer. But go back to twenty three,
Speaker 1: he wasn't showing any power. The power was even worse
Speaker 1: than twenty three.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and look at twenty two fifteen home runs.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, It's the only thing I can I can
Speaker 2: say or see when I look at this is people
Speaker 2: are betting that at some point in time he'll have
Speaker 2: another big year, and I'm not. I'm not gonna play
Speaker 2: that game with thirty two thirty two now, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not playing that game with Bullgerts.
Speaker 1: His sprint speeds tommytics statistically or higher now than his
Speaker 1: hard hit rates and exit VELOSSI. So he's more of
Speaker 1: a stolen stolen base threat than he is a home
Speaker 1: run guy.
Speaker 2: Scary, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's not what we thought Xander Bargertz was gonna be.
Speaker 1: He's really tailed off again. Thirty two makes you wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe an old thirty two so interesting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I'm I might get chastised for making
Speaker 2: the move, but I just don't see. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: don't see how you're gonna rank him higher, At least
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: Jose Cavalerio at twenty four in Bryce Bryce Terrang at six.
Speaker 1: What's the big difference between the two players?
Speaker 2: Bryce Terrang is going to play every day. Josey Cavallero
Speaker 2: is a super sub We don't know when he's gonna play.
Speaker 2: He has no position, he's not listed in the starting lineup,
Speaker 2: and he's not part of the starting lineup. He played
Speaker 2: eighty eight games short, thirty seven at third. I can't
Speaker 2: remember how many at second base. But he's all over
Speaker 2: the place, and again, there's not much power sitting there.
Speaker 2: It's all in the speed. The big difference for me
Speaker 2: is I feel certain that terrag is going to get
Speaker 2: in if l six hundred at bats. I don't feel
Speaker 2: the same way about Cavallero.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's disappointing because you're but he's got
Speaker 1: the speed, obviously no power, can hit a little bit.
Speaker 1: But Taylor Walls is the better defender at short. That's
Speaker 1: why he's gonna play there. I think ultimately that's when
Speaker 1: Carson Williams gets a chance there at second base, Brandon
Speaker 1: Low he's not gonna get an opportunity there, and third
Speaker 1: basis Junior Caminario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's gonna own that position until his last
Speaker 2: year arbitration.
Speaker 1: Junior Junior Caminario and Jose Cavalerio say that three times
Speaker 1: fast might be the polar opposite of players.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, they are yeah, ne Doute.
Speaker 1: All right, gim me give me your love here for
Speaker 1: hay Son Kim.
Speaker 2: I'm right, I'll put it real simple. Uh, the Dodgers
Speaker 2: believe the Dodgers are a good team. They moved on
Speaker 2: from Gavin Lucks. Uh, that's enough for me to want
Speaker 2: to put Kim in the top thirty. I think the
Speaker 2: speed's real. I think he's got the hit tool of
Speaker 2: solid and the glove is excellent. So if the Dodgers,
Speaker 2: if it's good enough for the Dodgers, it's good enough
Speaker 2: for Tim zero yeah, point zero.
Speaker 1: Just letting the zero point zero, So I didn't want
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 2: I can't hear it, but I know it's there.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure it got out there
Speaker 1: with nobody.
Speaker 2: I'm sort of assuming there was a zero zero in
Speaker 2: there somewhere.
Speaker 1: I appreciate everything he said about Kim. I agree with
Speaker 1: you with the Dodgers believe. It's hard for people not
Speaker 1: to believe. But we'll see what happens. And the fact
Speaker 1: that they move Gavin Lux so I still think is
Speaker 1: gonna be a pretty good player. And I think they
Speaker 1: do believe.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if they didn't, they'd still have Lucks, right
Speaker 2: that is correct.
Speaker 1: Thyrou Estrada, he's the guy that people seem to really
Speaker 1: like this season as the dark horse because he's got
Speaker 1: full time opportunity in Colorado. I think they moved on
Speaker 1: from Brendan Rodgers. I kind of went under the raidar.
Speaker 1: I don't think we even talked about that, that they
Speaker 1: defeated Brendan Rodgers. The last I looked he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a job, But Thiro Estrada looks like he's going to
Speaker 1: be your second baseman. Colorado should get an uptick and performance.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. You like him a little
Speaker 1: bit better than where he's going. Are you in agreement
Speaker 1: with that or what do you think Estrada provides a season?
Speaker 2: Well, the thing that concerns me in a big way
Speaker 2: with a strata is if you look at twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two and twenty twenty three, they are mirror images of so,
Speaker 2: you know, fourteen homers in both years twenty one and
Speaker 2: twenty three, stolen bases, okay, the batting average two sixty two,
Speaker 2: seventy one three, twenty two, three fifteen. Basically we heading
Speaker 2: into last year, we saw a guy that's gonna hit
Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen home runs, drive in fifty sixty, and steal
Speaker 2: twenty low twenties in the basis and last year, for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, he ended up in the minors. He only
Speaker 2: played half a season. He had nine home runs, he
Speaker 2: stole two bases, Like, how do you go from twenty
Speaker 2: one to twenty three to two? Like, it's just yeah,
Speaker 2: he's moving to a good, a good opportunity in Colorado.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bet on a somewhat of a bout
Speaker 2: it's back. I don't think I'm it's not like I'm
Speaker 2: all in, but it has to be better than last year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: especially after seeing two very consistent seasons prior to that.
Speaker 2: So I'm in, but I'm not all in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: know he's a sexy pick this year.
Speaker 2: He definitely definitely is. He's moved to Colorado, He's gonna
Speaker 2: have forty home runs to steal sixty bases.
Speaker 1: Right number thirty, Yeah, number thirty. I just gonna highlight
Speaker 1: as a great draft and hoole pick. I wish I
Speaker 1: would have got him. I didn't. But Dylan Moore plays everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't hit for anything, but he plays everywhere. It
Speaker 1: has to be not much pop, but he's he can
Speaker 1: help you tim in deeper leagues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, even when you start looking
Speaker 2: at fifteen team leagues, a guy like Dylan Moore on
Speaker 2: your bench, okay, gives you coverage it basically every position
Speaker 2: in the field other than catcher, and that counts. In
Speaker 2: last year ten home runs, he scored fifty three the
Speaker 2: batting averages, no hack, but thirty two stolen basins. He
Speaker 2: actually had his highest his highest plate appearances last year
Speaker 2: at four forty one, playing all over the boys. But
Speaker 2: he's a guy that I think you can punt pencil
Speaker 2: in for five to ten home runs. Okay, he'll score
Speaker 2: a few for you, and he'll steal twenty bases And
Speaker 2: I'll take that sitting on my bench even in fifteen
Speaker 2: team leagues.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, to mean, let's pop around the rest of them,
Speaker 1: shall we.
Speaker 2: Sure there's some fun ones in here.
Speaker 1: Christopher Morel going as a twenty fifth second base so
Speaker 1: you got him at thirty two. He's now with Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: For those who don't remember, he does have third base eligibility.
Speaker 1: It's a piece. Home runs are bust.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it it's home runs are bust. And in Tampa Bay,
Speaker 2: they won't take that much bust before he's in a
Speaker 2: platoon situation, and I'm trying to avoid platoon players. So
Speaker 2: I've got Morrell ranked a little bit lower Christian Campbell.
Speaker 1: You haven't a thirty four, He's gone at twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I know you like Christian Campbell a lot? Is he?
Speaker 1: Is he going a little too early as the three
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty first player off the board? Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, hey, the hype, the hype has caught up to
Speaker 2: Christian Campbell and people are bumping them up. There is
Speaker 2: a chance that he breaks Camp. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: going to happen. I think they want to give von
Speaker 2: Grissom another look, and possibly David Hamilton. I think Campbell
Speaker 2: I would love to see him break Camp, but I
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to happen. I think we'll see
Speaker 2: him a month into the season. Then there's a lot
Speaker 2: of hype. You know, he was everybody's consensus number one
Speaker 2: minor league player last year.
Speaker 1: It wasn't mine, but yeah he was tough three yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of hype there, and I
Speaker 2: think the hype is driving his value up a little
Speaker 2: bit too. If he doesn't have a job for the
Speaker 2: first six weeks of the season, that's not helping you
Speaker 2: out much, is it.
Speaker 1: Wan Brido interesting up twenty three slots and Travis Bizzana
Speaker 1: up eighteen slots. Why Jan Brito so high?
Speaker 2: Well, according to what I'm looking at, he's got a
Speaker 2: job and that helps.
Speaker 1: What do you mean he's got a job?
Speaker 2: Oh, he's got a full time job. Really, yes, I
Speaker 2: believe he does. Unless I'm missing something here. Yes, he
Speaker 2: is your full time second basement for the Cleveland Guardians,
Speaker 2: hitting in the seventh spot.
Speaker 1: So I would have thought it was Gabriel Arias, but
Speaker 1: maybe not. Maybe he's the utility guy. Yeah, I missed
Speaker 1: that one. I if Jan Brito's at second base, expect
Speaker 1: a long term deal signed by Bazana coming into the season.
Speaker 1: I think you. I mean, I do like Juan Brito.
Speaker 1: He is a Cleveland Guardians type of player. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a five floor guy. But boy, I really think
Speaker 1: that that opens it up a little bit for Travis Bizan.
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I just thought anybody that has a job,
Speaker 2: okay and tentatively a full time job, should be in
Speaker 2: that thirty to forty range for the most part, and
Speaker 2: right now I think people might be sleeping a little
Speaker 2: bit on Wan Brito. Only time will tell, but I
Speaker 2: think he deserves a better ranking than fifty ninth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about him. We did our Cleveland breakdown
Speaker 1: and then the American League Central and I like him
Speaker 1: in twenty three und runs excuse the twenty one home
Speaker 1: runs last season, thirteen stolen basis really good contact. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a solid player. Grew up in a Colorado Rocky system.
Speaker 1: Quicktim who was he traded for Chris Bryant, Nolan Jones?
Speaker 2: Nolan?
Speaker 1: He was the straight up player Dolan Jones for for
Speaker 1: jan Brito. So good call by the great Tim McCleod
Speaker 1: pushing him up. Let's see here, Jory Mateo twenty one
Speaker 1: slots above. Let me ask you a question, I mean
Speaker 1: wore Mitteo obviously, is I think we'll run into a
Speaker 1: utility slot unless yep, our buddy Jackson holiday? What's the bed?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm what what? What?
Speaker 1: What day? Does what day? Do the Orioles change the sheets?
Speaker 2: Well? One of the problems with Matteo is uh he
Speaker 2: had UCL reconstruction on his non grants is non throwing
Speaker 2: at elbow. But when you look at at Mateo, you
Speaker 2: look at twenty two, okay, he stole thirty five bases.
Speaker 2: You look at twenty three thirty two. Last year he
Speaker 2: was hurt, dinged up, he only stole thirteen bases. I
Speaker 2: see hory Gey Matteo as a twenty plus stolen based
Speaker 2: type guy, even playing in a reduced role.
Speaker 1: So well that that's not my question. Well, I think
Speaker 1: we all know who Horry Matteo is. R gat guy,
Speaker 1: really good defender, right, he's if Jackson Holiday doesn't play, well,
Speaker 1: they're gonna give it to Horry Miteo. Maybe they bring
Speaker 1: in Kobe Mayo. What when? When are the Orioles gonna? When?
Speaker 1: Should we? You and I worry that Jackson Holiday might
Speaker 1: get demotive?
Speaker 2: We shouldn't really. Wow, Yeah, I've gotten I've got Mateo
Speaker 2: at forty one because I said, I think even in
Speaker 2: a super utility role.
Speaker 1: So you don't think they're start You have no worry
Speaker 1: about Jackson Holiday, that's my question. You got Jackson ally
Speaker 1: at ten. You have no worry that Jackson Holiday is
Speaker 1: going to be demoted? Get off the snides quietly, you know, poorly,
Speaker 1: you're all.
Speaker 2: In I am all in. If he doesn't break camp
Speaker 2: with Baltimore and Stick, I'm.
Speaker 1: Willing to answer my question, what date do we worry
Speaker 1: If he's got a one ninety batting average.
Speaker 2: If he's got one ninety batting average with date, do
Speaker 2: we worry me? First?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I'm ala Jackson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm all in. I feel confident that he has
Speaker 2: the stuff that this time around he's gonna it's gonna work.
Speaker 2: So Mateo for me, isn't the He's not the answer.
Speaker 2: He's just twenty plus stolen bases if healthy.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that fifty two with me. Rfield doesn't have
Speaker 1: a job yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the game of musical Chairs, you would think
Speaker 2: he should. He's a perfect late inning replacement defensive. Yeah,
Speaker 2: i'd provide, Yeah, hey you need to stolen base in
Speaker 2: the ninth inning. Drag went off the bench and away
Speaker 2: you go. So yeah, I started like I started, like
Speaker 2: with Merrifield in a draft and hold I do too,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to grab him, but I just liked
Speaker 1: other players, but I considered him. I'm like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have a job. I can't believe he's going to announce
Speaker 1: his retirement. I mean that would seem strange to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would see strange. Seems strange to me as well.
Speaker 1: Christian Moore coming in at sixty two the story is
Speaker 1: drafted as the number one pick by the Angels. The
Speaker 1: Angels have a history of quickly moving their number one
Speaker 1: draft picks through the system. Kristan Moore got hurt a
Speaker 1: little bit in August, but prior to that looked really good.
Speaker 1: Do we see Christian Moore in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Based on the team that he's playing for. The odds
Speaker 2: are good, Yes, that's why I have him listed. He's
Speaker 2: down a little bit as to NFBC, But once you
Speaker 2: get past pick forty and you know forty five, they're
Speaker 2: all a roll of the dice, they really are.
Speaker 1: Or Elvis Martinez I think that's a good call from
Speaker 1: you at the fifty first. So who provides more value
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five of dal Amador at fifty or
Speaker 1: Elvis Martinez at fifty one, Nick York at fifty three
Speaker 1: or Christian Moore? I know you have him ranked a
Speaker 1: certain ways, it's just don't give me the rankings. If
Speaker 1: everything went the right way, who do you think has
Speaker 1: a chance to potentially blow up out of all four
Speaker 1: of those guys given the opportunity, skill level, et cetera. Martinez, Okay,
Speaker 1: do you think the opportunity is going to be there?
Speaker 2: Think it could be, It should be. The Jase team
Speaker 2: is terrible. You look at you look at their lineup
Speaker 2: and once you take once you get past you know,
Speaker 2: Springer is okay, I guess, and Vlatty once you get
Speaker 2: past Lattie, they ain't much there. I think they've got
Speaker 2: Kirk keating in the cleanup spot.
Speaker 1: Okay, is that true?
Speaker 2: He said? He said, I think they're going to slotted
Speaker 2: into the fourth spot in the line up. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's ugly.
Speaker 1: Richard Julianne just it looks like he might be buried had.
Speaker 2: A shot didn't happen. Hey, I still have them listed
Speaker 2: along with Videl, Brujon, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm
Speaker 2: not holding out hope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, courtis me just broke my heart just unfortunately not developed, Timmy.
Speaker 1: It's take another break, come back. I got the hard
Speaker 1: questions for you.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, really well, such a great job at this
Speaker 3: It's a it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: Thanks, rich I appreciate I appreciate the kind words. I
Speaker 2: try and put put a little extra thought into everything.
Speaker 1: That's it definitely shows, all right, which which player not
Speaker 1: in the top ten? Yes, scoots into the top ten?
Speaker 1: This at the end of the season.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: You put a lot of you put a lot of
Speaker 1: guys you already put into the top ten.
Speaker 2: Cole Keat, Yeah, that's that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: And who drops out?
Speaker 2: Who drops out? Marcus Semi, I.
Speaker 1: Was hoping you'd pick one of the big threes.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, they're they're all pretty close. Josey L. Tuove
Speaker 2: if one of these years will be that year, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's the trends is pointing down. But Marcus Simeon,
Speaker 1: he had a really good what is it twenty twenty two?
Speaker 1: Is that what it was? But I mean he's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's second base, doesn't seem to age real well,
Speaker 2: and he's he's yeah, he's heading into his age thirty
Speaker 2: five season, and you know he had he had an
Speaker 2: okay year last year, hunder one rooms score, twenty three
Speaker 2: home or seventy four RBIs. But when you look and
Speaker 2: go back to the two years prior to that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the numbers were definitely, definitely down. And you know his
Speaker 2: batting average at two thirty seven on seven hundred and
Speaker 2: eighteen plate appearances. That's a big number.
Speaker 1: Agreed, give me a couple of sleepers. I want two, three,
Speaker 1: maybe four?
Speaker 2: Okay, sleepers, let me just click this back up again.
Speaker 1: Jackson Holiday is one.
Speaker 2: No, don't. I don't consider him a sleeper. Everybody should
Speaker 2: know about him. When I look at sleeper, I'm going
Speaker 2: real real.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think, okay, undervalue, it's got to be Jackson, Holli.
Speaker 1: You got them seven spots up, so I mean you're
Speaker 1: expecting big things and the market is saying, hold on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kim is another one. Okay, yeah. Uh. When I
Speaker 2: look a little bit deeper.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, who was the last guy? You just said?
Speaker 2: Kim zero point zero? Just another shot to work that but.
Speaker 1: Just always falls in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Very quickly he realized said, Cam.
Speaker 2: Is like, damn again, one born every minute here. I
Speaker 2: am sleepers. The Cards have said they're going to give
Speaker 2: Nolan Gorman a shot. I don't necessarily believe them, but
Speaker 2: he did hit twenty four home runs before the demotion.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of swing and misshappening there, but Nolan
Speaker 2: Gorman could if the Cards give him a serious shot.
Speaker 2: I like Juan Brito as a sleeper, as a true sleeper.
Speaker 1: That's a good call from you. I think he did
Speaker 1: well there. Yep.
Speaker 2: Caleb Durban has my intention.
Speaker 1: Okay, former Yankee now with the uh he's with the
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Brewers, right.
Speaker 2: He sort of has my sort of has my attention
Speaker 2: and I we've just discussed it. Knows. Travis Bozana, I
Speaker 2: think I think we're going to get a full half
Speaker 2: season out of him, I really do.
Speaker 1: But that means Juan Brito. I mean, aren't they mutually exclusive.
Speaker 1: If Wan Brito comes up and hits, how can Travis
Speaker 1: Bozano get a chance.
Speaker 2: They'll find a spot for him?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they both hit, they the Guardians do very well.
Speaker 2: But those are some of the players later on that
Speaker 2: you know, Thomas Sagaci, he's got some skills, he does. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again that you know, then the Nolan gorm and
Speaker 2: that sort of fits into that. And I really really
Speaker 2: hope that we see Christian Campbell early in the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do as well. I mean we'll see I mean,
Speaker 1: I I saw him play last year. A couple of
Speaker 1: times and it was impressive, and uh yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: good He's a nice little player. Obviously shocked the world
Speaker 1: in terms of what he's able to do last year.
Speaker 1: It's only been one year. I'd like to see him
Speaker 1: repeat it. But an athletic guy, multiple positions outfield, third base,
Speaker 1: second base, I think he can play all over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as do I. So there's lots of options at
Speaker 2: second base after you get past your top thirty. There
Speaker 2: really is.
Speaker 1: Back to Christian Campbell and yeah, Roman Anthony and all
Speaker 1: their They they have the Boston Red Soxes that they
Speaker 1: I'm referring to. They haven't like shopped bigly in the
Speaker 1: in the free agent market. There's still rumors of an
Speaker 1: Alex Bregman or a Nolan Arenauta type of move in there.
Speaker 1: But I mean, they've got such such good young players
Speaker 1: with an opportunity that are just about ready. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: they stick by their guns and keep it to potentially
Speaker 1: moving Raphael Devers maybe back off that position, d H
Speaker 1: first base and giving some of these young kids a shot.
Speaker 2: Totally agree and based on what we've seen thus far,
Speaker 2: they did move Kyle Teal, but they held on to
Speaker 2: the other three yep, And I don't. I don't see
Speaker 2: them going anywhere, at least I hope they don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't. I'm not sure Yoshida is there for
Speaker 1: the long term. I know they sign I think there's
Speaker 1: better options there. David Hamilton's a nice player, Saddan Raphael,
Speaker 1: I think will be your fourth outfielder.
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't think he controls the strike zone
Speaker 2: well enough to be anything more than that.
Speaker 1: Yep. And he's got to really prove that that he's
Speaker 1: a different player. And again they sign him for fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars, which might be the cost of these days
Speaker 1: of a fourth outfielder, and a good fourth outfielder. I mean,
Speaker 1: a guy could really pick it out there. But you
Speaker 1: can see Roman Anthony coming in at center field, and
Speaker 1: you can see poor David Hamilton out of a job,
Speaker 1: and Christian Pile kind of coming in and playing that.
Speaker 1: So it looks like it's still set up for these
Speaker 1: guys to come in where Marcella Mayer goes. I don't know,
Speaker 1: Trevor's story could come back and play very very well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, feel free, by the way to uses zero
Speaker 2: zero on your sheet. Okay, I won't be.
Speaker 1: No, he's an established major league guy.
Speaker 2: It just was, you know, he just.
Speaker 1: He's been disappointing. Let's face it.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he has. I was expecting. I was
Speaker 2: expecting to see a doubles type hitter with a really
Speaker 2: really strong hit tool, and it just hasn't hasn't been there.
Speaker 1: He makes great contact, but I mean he's never walking.
Speaker 1: I mean it's I thought he was going to be
Speaker 1: a high walk guy and and he's He's a guy
Speaker 1: that swings on a lot of pitches and makes contact,
Speaker 1: but it's weak contact. Yeah, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's disappointing. So I agree, Uh, that is a wrap.
Speaker 1: Uh do we just take a break? I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I don't think we did.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a final break and tid me. We
Speaker 1: are not going to get to the uh to the
Speaker 1: last segment that can continue to be pushed. Let's take
Speaker 1: our final break, get back and talk about what's planned
Speaker 1: for the rest of the day.
Speaker 2: Sounds good.
Speaker 1: Reason we're recording early. Tess was gracious enough to give
Speaker 1: me the do it early. So I've got a at
Speaker 1: two o'clock and about forty five minutes from now, I'm
Speaker 1: going to a chili contest. I'm not competing. I am sampling.
Speaker 1: I am sampling and voting. So very excited about that.
Speaker 1: Our island tries to do some things to keep people
Speaker 1: engaged here when it's cold, and Pelican's Perch, which is
Speaker 1: one of the bars on the island, has a annual
Speaker 1: I think this is our tenth annual chili cook off.
Speaker 1: We've never been, but some friends said, hey, let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's check it out. So we're gonna go and eat
Speaker 1: chili this afternoon and bring.
Speaker 2: A container of Maylocks MAYLOCKX Toms.
Speaker 1: I'm a Tom's guy tem here.
Speaker 2: Tom.
Speaker 1: I am definitely at keep. I keep a sleeve of
Speaker 1: Toms in my pocket at all time, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: it will be partaking to them at some point. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm doing the same thing as you. Basically, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna open the door, see how chilly it is, and
Speaker 2: close it again. Stay inside. That's my plans for the day.
Speaker 2: Maybe do some writing, get working on Shortstop, and get
Speaker 2: a couple other projects off off the off the table.
Speaker 2: But not a nice quiet day to day.
Speaker 1: Great, that's anything for dinner that's worth noting, it's worth.
Speaker 2: It. It's too early we're we're gonna have uh, we're
Speaker 2: gonna have pancakes or waffles and sausages. I think for breakfast,
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a late a brunch sort of thing today.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but other than that, uh, now, supper is
Speaker 2: too far into the into the future having having a clue.
Speaker 1: Who because we've learned there is no lunch at the
Speaker 1: McLeod household. So it's uh, brunches as close as we get.
Speaker 2: That is as good and close as we'll ever get.
Speaker 2: That's you nailed it.
Speaker 1: So we went. We went with friends yesterday to uh
Speaker 1: to Wilmington to see a play, a really good, interesting
Speaker 1: play called Evan Evan Hanson, Dear Evan Hanson. It was
Speaker 1: very I won't talk about it. It's a very deep
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It was very good. Before that, we
Speaker 1: went to brunch in this really nice restaurant we'd like
Speaker 1: in Wilmington. Timmy, I had and I'm on this diet,
Speaker 1: but I cut it out for the day. A grilled
Speaker 1: a fried chicken thigh, a thigh that's been fried on
Speaker 1: a biscuit. Oh my word. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: There had to be in there somewhere, Yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Was, it was. It was I mean it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I gotta get another one of these. It
Speaker 1: was so good. It was really really yummy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're going to break the rules, do it
Speaker 2: right right and break them. Yeah, don't go halfway there,
Speaker 2: don't go halfway.
Speaker 1: We broke them big time. But chili FROs this afternoon
Speaker 1: and Tim doesn't know what he's happened. But pancakes and
Speaker 1: sausage for brunch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that'll get the job done.
Speaker 1: Timmy, great stuff. Thank you again for doing second base again.
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Speaker 1: next Sunday. Actually we're ready to do the American League
Speaker 1: West whenever your prospects whenever you're ready.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well we'll have to sit down and come
Speaker 2: up with some sort of a schedule because the next
Speaker 2: week's gonna be hectic, I think for me, just to
Speaker 2: say the least. But anyhow, we'd be safety well and
Speaker 2: enjoy those times.
Speaker 1: Take care