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<v Speaker 1>Some lives are composed like music, layered intentional, built on

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<v Speaker 1>quiet tension and powerful release. Amar Walker, known to the

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<v Speaker 1>world as Major seven, is one of those lives from Mandeville, Jamaica,

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<v Speaker 1>a tone known not only for its rolling hills, but

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<v Speaker 1>for producing thinkers, cultural contributors, and nation builders. Like one

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<v Speaker 1>of Jamaica's national heroes, Norman manly A, Mar stands in

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<v Speaker 1>a lineage of visionaries who led with both purpose and precision.

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<v Speaker 1>He spent part of his early years at Victor Dixon

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<v Speaker 1>High School, where the seeds of discipline and creative curiosity

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<v Speaker 1>began to take root. However, the true foundation of Amar's

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<v Speaker 1>journey began even earlier in the quiet, unshakable prayers of

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<v Speaker 1>his mound. After enduring six miscarriages, she prayed persistently and

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<v Speaker 1>faithfully for seven years, and then came Amar. His producer name,

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<v Speaker 1>Major seven is more than a nod to musical theory.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tribute, a living meditation on his mother's endurance,

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<v Speaker 1>her belief, and the truth that some people are called

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<v Speaker 1>not just to succeed, but to uplift and inspire. That

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual thread follows Amar even into the studio. Years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>One of his most acclaimed productions. The Devil is a

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<v Speaker 1>Lie was nearly taken from him by someone more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in profit than principle, but that attempt failed, and the

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<v Speaker 1>irony of that title wasn't lost on him. Some moments

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<v Speaker 1>are more than coincidence. They are reminders of protection and

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<v Speaker 1>trusting God's timing. Since then, Amar has composed for artists

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<v Speaker 1>like Rihanna, Rick Ross, Snoop Dogg, burn A Boy Future,

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<v Speaker 1>and countless others, crafting soundscapes that are both commercially undeniable

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<v Speaker 1>and emotionally grounded. And while his Grammy nomination hasn't come

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<v Speaker 1>just yet, something about this year tells me it's only

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of time. This episode isn't just about music.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about identity, faith, and the kind of quiet power

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<v Speaker 1>that comes from staying grounded in your roots, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>those roots are Jamaican. Because when Amar walks in a

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<v Speaker 1>room or lays a chord or shares his story, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just him speaking. It's legacy, it's prayer fulfilled. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the rhythm of a culture that moves the world. If

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<v Speaker 1>grab your tea, coffee, or a glass of wine and

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<v Speaker 1>Let's Talk the Things. Hello everyone, Welcome back to Let's

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<v Speaker 1>Talk the Things, where we discuss personal growth, travel, music,

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<v Speaker 1>beauty and wellness while encouraging you to live fearlessly and fabulously.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Ash and this week we are Talking

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<v Speaker 1>the Things with multi platinum music producer for artists like

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Ross, Rihanna, Burna Boy, Buju Bantan, and Snoop Dog

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<v Speaker 1>to name a few. Omar Walker, more popularly known as

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<v Speaker 1>Major seven. Hi, Omar, how are you hey?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing? I'm doing amazing. I'm glad to

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<v Speaker 2>be here, so blessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you so much for coming to Talk

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<v Speaker 1>the Things with me. Yeah yeah, you have to bustle

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<v Speaker 1>the accent.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>So As a first time guest and for persons that

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<v Speaker 1>are listening for the first time, we begin each episode

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<v Speaker 1>with our listener's favorite segment and it's called that no

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<v Speaker 1>Sound safe. So so Omar, I'm going to read messages

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<v Speaker 1>or social media posts that listeners sent in and if

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<v Speaker 1>you think it sounds crazy or a little bit concerning,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd say that the sound safe and explain why. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you agree, I can't even finish this without laughing.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you agree, say you agree and explain why.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good?

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<v Speaker 2>But all right, cool, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first person said, Jamaican parents give the worst ultimatums.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll say either you wash the dishes or come a tomatos. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I feel like they're a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Extreme, definitely, but it works though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it prepares us for the world because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>tell us anything that we haven't already been told by

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<v Speaker 1>our parents.

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<v Speaker 2>For real, you aren't sure how to, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>take on the challenges of life, because growing up is

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<v Speaker 2>a challenge. It's always like something you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So true, so true. We all need to go. We

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<v Speaker 1>have said this in another episode. We all need to

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<v Speaker 1>go to like group therapy together.

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<v Speaker 2>Being Jamaican Bill's character though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and we also have not only does it build character,

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<v Speaker 1>but I said this in another episode, or actually I

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<v Speaker 1>should say the person I was interviewing said it to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's from Grenada. He said that Jamaicans have this

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<v Speaker 1>certain type of confidence, you know, and I was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that's really ingrained in US. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>when celebrities even go to Jamaica, they don't really get

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<v Speaker 1>run down for autographs or anything, because most Jamaicans are

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<v Speaker 1>looking at them and saying, he's all right, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't sing better that name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I definitely believe in that, because I definitely consider

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<v Speaker 2>myself to be extremely confident.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that. Love that, Yeah, I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>the leo or oh my gosh, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Theer and lying you feel me.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. That's double Jamaican and alio. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a double dosa confidence for sure. All Right, So the

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<v Speaker 1>next person said, imagine your card gets declined at the

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<v Speaker 1>barber and he starts gluing your hair back on.

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<v Speaker 2>First fall, he shouldn't be cutting it off in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place. And then second of all, man Imazellum right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not nineteen ninety four, so I would hold

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<v Speaker 1>sell or cash up something, but gluing it back on is. Actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing about Jamaican is we're creative. So if Plan

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<v Speaker 2>A don't work, we're gonna have Plan b cd ef

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<v Speaker 2>we don't find a way to make it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that is so true. That's one thing about us.

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<v Speaker 1>We are very resilient when it comes to finding a

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<v Speaker 1>way for sure. All Right, The next person said, all

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<v Speaker 1>I spend money on is food and clothes, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still hungry and can't find anything to wear.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, thats how you spend all your money on food

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<v Speaker 2>and clothes and still hungry and don't got nothing to wear?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>But you know you're spending it on food and clothes

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<v Speaker 2>for somebody else, or that.

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<v Speaker 1>Means you're like me and you're always hungry even though

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<v Speaker 1>you're spending it on food. It's like, boy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel for something nice, like you can eat something else.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be that, or it could be the fact that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you are, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I'll feel like I have something to wear, and

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<v Speaker 1>then other times I'll be like, oh my gosh, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to get something, Like I have nothing to wear

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<v Speaker 1>and I have a closet full of clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's how I feel every time I have

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<v Speaker 2>to go somewhere like tomorrow, have to go to wedding,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like that's how I feel. So after this, I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta go find so like anytime I gotta go somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>I have to do something. I'm like that, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm not really that big into like I'm starting

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<v Speaker 2>to get into it now, but like fashion, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so like locked in on what I'm building, like that's

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<v Speaker 2>just my primary focus. Yeah, it's not my priority at

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<v Speaker 2>least not right now, you know, got you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, well that makes sense. So maybe that canzone

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<v Speaker 1>a little safe, but a little not safe, because if

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<v Speaker 1>it's not your priority, then it's like, eh, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>really care, you know, all right? Two more, The next

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<v Speaker 1>person said, I don't know how to turn up anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be at the bar just checking my emails.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. I guess I could agree with that because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm that person. But I do feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm lit though, Like I feel like I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>a good energy to be around, and even though I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always doing something like sometimes I could be at Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 2>and I have my laptop with me, so I might

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<v Speaker 2>be passively just chilling at one point, organizing some files

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<v Speaker 2>or working on something or arranging something, but I still

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<v Speaker 2>like engage with the family and cool. So I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm kind of like in the middle, but I

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<v Speaker 2>still need to be better balanced. So I'm like a

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<v Speaker 2>workaholic obsessed with what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, well, you already in the vision that explains

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, That explains a lot. You're very driven, I'm sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that's a good thing to point out,

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<v Speaker 1>right because it's safe because that means that you are

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<v Speaker 1>on top of what you need to do, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your focus. But it's not safe because you do need

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<v Speaker 1>that balance, you know. So I agree with you. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm very intentional, very like got a bit long

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<v Speaker 2>to do list, just never ending, constantly just task and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I definitely need a little bit more balance. But yeah, seasons,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's hard. Yeah, And it's hard too when you

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<v Speaker 1>have like so many dreams and aspirations and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just want to do everything. It's really hard to

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<v Speaker 1>like stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, focus is important. Yeah, you have to be focused

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to be intentional. And I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the stuff that I do, even though it

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<v Speaker 2>may seem like so many things, like, I think they

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<v Speaker 2>have synergy with each other and I've found ways to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm always building systems. So for me, it's

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<v Speaker 2>also about like efficiency so I'm big on working smarter,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm also working harder too, So I'm combined working

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<v Speaker 2>smarter with harder and that's just allowed me to just

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<v Speaker 2>like propel like super fast with everything that I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. Yeah, I love that. Intention definitely matters

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<v Speaker 1>and helps you to get to where you need to be.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I love that, beautifully said. Okay, last one.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's a little bit long, but the last one.

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<v Speaker 1>People will literally admire you from afar, get to experience

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<v Speaker 1>you in real time and become envious after seeing you

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<v Speaker 1>are exactly who you appair to be. Your light will

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<v Speaker 1>always offend persons who are at war with themselves, So

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<v Speaker 1>choose wisely who gets to experience you. Your frequency is valuable.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I agree with that one hundred percent because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like whenever you're doing something, no matter how positive

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<v Speaker 2>you are, no matter how inspiring you are, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>how humble you are, I think it will feel like

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<v Speaker 2>people always find like the negative and something. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a friend the other day was telling me, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>someone was hating on something that you did, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like, man, I don't even got time to even

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<v Speaker 2>think about that, Like or like engage in a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>that has to just do with debating whether this is

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<v Speaker 2>better than this with somebody, like on some comparison level

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<v Speaker 2>where it's it's like I'm not comparing myself to to anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just you know, I'm just becoming who I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that I meant to be. So I'm super focused and

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<v Speaker 2>you just can't be distracted. Like somebody sent me a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy hate message the other day, like oh uh after

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<v Speaker 2>Doop dog followed me, there was like, oh you think

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<v Speaker 2>you're on that because Snoop Dogg followed you and then

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<v Speaker 2>called me an islander, N word and all this other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>What.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was crazy. So I mean I just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely not. That is actually insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, right, But it's crazy that there's people

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<v Speaker 2>out there whose purpose is just so low or none

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<v Speaker 2>existent that like, yeah, they actually have time to like

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's crazy. I mean I think you handled that beautifully,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's just crazy how much your drive can trigger

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<v Speaker 2>That's insane, it's pretty wild. So you know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>try to stay focused. And I think the most dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>No sah, that is a word that's so true, that's

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<v Speaker 1>so true, and seriously, like, well, first of all, I

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<v Speaker 1>because I think you have to be aware of and

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean to be paranoid, but just aware of

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<v Speaker 1>certain things. Right because for me, and coming from a

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<v Speaker 1>It's not always something you can be taught. Like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>be emulated, you know. So some persons will see that

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<v Speaker 1>and know they can't take that from you because it's

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you'll start to say, oh, maybe I'm not that

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<v Speaker 1>great like possible. You know, maybe you know, but they

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out here, you know, Like I just feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, people always want to minimize others, especially

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, they don't have purpose. But you got

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<v Speaker 2>to know who you are, even before the world knows

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<v Speaker 2>who you are. I think for me, like what you

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<v Speaker 2>and I do believe that I'm gifted, but even more

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<v Speaker 2>than that, I feel like I'm skilled. It's not enough

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<v Speaker 2>to just be gifted, Like you have to take your

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<v Speaker 2>and refine them and continuously be a student and want

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<v Speaker 2>to grow and like just never stop growing, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's truly where greatness is born, is

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<v Speaker 2>born in isolation. It's it's something my mom always told me,

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<v Speaker 2>heights by great man reach and kept we're not attained

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<v Speaker 2>by sudden flight. But they, while their companions slept, were

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<v Speaker 2>toiling up with through the night. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up taking that so literally, really being up

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<v Speaker 2>all night every night just just putting in work, putting

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<v Speaker 2>in work, putting in work, and putting in ten thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of hours into my craft. So I think even more

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<v Speaker 2>than a technical skill or like playing the piano or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, or I think my greatest gift is

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<v Speaker 2>actually my vision. Like I think that I have the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to see what things can be before they are,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know how to like turn my visions into

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<v Speaker 2>realities and take ideas and put them in a tangible form.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm always gonna think of like the biggest idea

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm going to find a way to like

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<v Speaker 2>try to make it happen. And once you do the

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<v Speaker 2>impossible one time, then you realize that, yo, you could

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<v Speaker 2>do it over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. And I had to literally contain myself because my

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<v Speaker 1>mom is gonna hear this and literally scream yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>she says that same quote to me literally every other day. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's so crazy. I have to literally like hold like

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<v Speaker 1>allow you to speak because I'm like, that's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know many people I've said that to when they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never even heard that, really, And I'm like, what,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom says that to me so much that I

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<v Speaker 1>have the whole thing memorized.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm saying I think my mom used to

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<v Speaker 2>have a hanging on the wall where she wrote it

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<v Speaker 2>on like the back of a you know, she broke

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<v Speaker 2>down a cornflakes box and turned it around and turned

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<v Speaker 2>it into a poster and had it hanging on the

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<v Speaker 2>wall and it was written on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, although my mom says it to me all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>it's literally one of my favorite quotes because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it just encompasses like who I am as a person,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm going to work hard, I'm going to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>my goals no matter what. And I think it's just

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<v Speaker 1>so it's just so encouraging, you know what I mean. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it also reminds you that you can't watch people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. That's something my dad always says, like don't

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<v Speaker 1>watch people or don't want what other people have because

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<v Speaker 1>you never know how they attained it, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>also you don't know the work that they have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So even when we were in school, like growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>my parents would say, you know, you see this person

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<v Speaker 1>at this party or this function, you don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably uplate studying and making sure they have their

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<v Speaker 1>work done. You just see them out and think like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're all about fun. But you better believe they're making

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<v Speaker 1>sure they study. They just don't have to advertise it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So yeah, wow, that is so crazy that

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<v Speaker 1>you said that. I rarely hear anybody know that quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That was fun, and now it's time for us to

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<v Speaker 1>talk the real things. So you talked about your mom, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I read that major seven isn't just a moniker.

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<v Speaker 1>It's layered. You know, there is a reference to your

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<v Speaker 1>musical journey and the musical reference to the chord, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also about your mother's journey and your birth. So

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<v Speaker 1>can you explain a little bit more about what that

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<v Speaker 1>means and how that dual meaning has shaped how you

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<v Speaker 1>navigate the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, definitely, I think just knowing that my mom she

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<v Speaker 2>actually well, first of all, when I wanted to come

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<v Speaker 2>up with a musical name, I was thinking, like, y'all

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<v Speaker 2>want something that's both personally meaningful and also has like

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<v Speaker 2>musical context. So the musical context for me was the

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<v Speaker 2>major seventh chord in music theory. And then I thought

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<v Speaker 2>of like, you know how, my mom she actually had

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<v Speaker 2>six miscarriages before I was born, so I was number seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought that was just special in the story

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<v Speaker 2>behind it like she had a vision in church and

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<v Speaker 2>then like to name me Samuel, So my middle name

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<v Speaker 2>is actually Samuel, and like handing the Bible who prayed

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<v Speaker 2>for her son for seven years. And then the number

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<v Speaker 2>seven is just such a significant number just throughout the universe,

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<v Speaker 2>throughout you know, biblically, like it's just a spiritual number

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<v Speaker 2>and like a number of completion. And then me also

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<v Speaker 2>being born in the seventh month of the year, in July,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, wo then I actually have my July twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually have my first kid on the way. My

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<v Speaker 2>daughter's supposed to be born on the twenty eighth of July.

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<v Speaker 2>That's her due date, so she might even come on

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<v Speaker 2>my birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>And oh my god, it's so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name is thank you. Her name is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot manage. That's so beautiful. And then the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you're born on the twenty fifth, five plus two

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I didn't even think about that part too.

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<v Speaker 2>See that's a whole another seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's crazy. Wow. Well congratulations. First of all, that's

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<v Speaker 1>great news, and it just goes to show how, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you were really meant to do this, to

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<v Speaker 1>be where you are, you know what I mean, because

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<v Speaker 1>that not only that number just surrounding you, but how

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<v Speaker 1>you were brought into this world. I think that's really

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<v Speaker 1>indicative of you having a purpose. Ye you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>talk a lot about your mom and you know her

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<v Speaker 1>resilience and her faith. What does it mean to carry

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<v Speaker 1>her story into rooms that you walk into? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>It means everything. It's funny because even going to Jamaica,

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<v Speaker 2>like one of her favorite artist is bears him. And

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<v Speaker 2>so when I first met Bars, right, Yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the first question he asked me was like, what does

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<v Speaker 2>what does your name mean? And so I told him

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<v Speaker 2>that story, and then later I facetied my mom and

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<v Speaker 2>I have a whole video of like my mom being

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<v Speaker 2>at work and he's just talking to my mom and

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<v Speaker 2>just just showing love.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Oh, and it's such a lovely human being.

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<v Speaker 2>It's real.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh my gosh, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it means a lot to just carry that

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<v Speaker 2>story with me. And I think just you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>things that she taught me, just like exercising those things

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<v Speaker 2>every day, and like I think my mom, matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I think she told me she used to walk seven

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<v Speaker 2>miles to school every day, and like just coming from

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<v Speaker 2>Jamaica to be like the very next generation and to

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<v Speaker 2>be respected, you know by all the heroes of our culture,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's you know, the Marley family or Sizla or

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<v Speaker 2>Junior Read or all these people that I've had the

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure of just connecting with and being able to contribute

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<v Speaker 2>to the culture that created me. To me, like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>like everything just being you know, one generation of someone

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<v Speaker 2>who was walking seven miles to school and my dad

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<v Speaker 2>who didn't even meet his dad to when when I

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<v Speaker 2>met him at the same time, Yeah, when I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to school in Jamaica. So it's just crazy because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like, you know, just seeing where my

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<v Speaker 2>family came from, my roots are. It puts purpose in

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<v Speaker 2>me every day of just wanting to maximize my opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>and my potential and also my impact.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. That's such a beautiful story. And you

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<v Speaker 1>said you went to school in Jamaica.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did. I went to school in Mandivale.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, oh my gosh, that's where my mom is from.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I went to Victor Dixon High School for two

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's so cool because I had no clue

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<v Speaker 1>that you even went to school there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah I did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was probably some of the most fun times in

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<v Speaker 1>Right, school in Jamaica is just like a whole episode

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<v Speaker 1>every day. Yes, I mean no air condition, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely a part of it, none of that, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>oh I love that. So, as a young Jamaican creative

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<v Speaker 1>right growing up in the diaspora, what role do you

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<v Speaker 1>think culture played in forming your sense of self? Because

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<v Speaker 1>even though you went to school in Jamaica, you only

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<v Speaker 1>went there for a couple of years, so I gather

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of your you know, childhood, young adulthood was

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<v Speaker 1>in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Yeah, So I'm from Atlanta, so, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta has a lot of culture too, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of music and a lot of all these different things.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then I was around so much family,

421
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<v Speaker 2>Like both of my parents are like one of thirteen kids,

422
00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:25.599
<v Speaker 2>so I have so many uncles and aunts and cousins.

423
00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.279
<v Speaker 2>So I'm constantly surrounded by like Jamaican culture and so

424
00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:33.359
<v Speaker 2>much music and all these different things. But honestly, in

425
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:36.119
<v Speaker 2>my household, you know, it's funny to set number seven again,

426
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:39.240
<v Speaker 2>my parents is seven day vent and so like I did.

427
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

428
00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.799
<v Speaker 2>So oh, so he didn't really grow up listening to

429
00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:48.039
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of like different kinds of music. Like

430
00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:49.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times my parents was playing the same

431
00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>tape in the car, flipping it over occasionally out of

432
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.200
<v Speaker 2>here like some Bob Marley, some Whitney Houston.

433
00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

434
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, There's certain songs that stand out in my oilihood,

435
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:04.680
<v Speaker 2>like you Are Not Alone by Michael Jackson and I

436
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Believe I Could Fly I was one of my favorite

437
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:10.599
<v Speaker 2>songs growing up. And then it wasn't until I went

438
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:15.559
<v Speaker 2>to Jamaica and where I really started like learning. The

439
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.279
<v Speaker 2>first person I stayed with was my friend David Campbell.

440
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.720
<v Speaker 2>He was older than me and so he was probably

441
00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:23.839
<v Speaker 2>in like fifth form when I was in first form.

442
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:27.000
<v Speaker 2>And you know, he comes from a family, like a

443
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.880
<v Speaker 2>very tech family, so he was always building and breaking

444
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 2>down his computer. So I learned a lot of my

445
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:36.720
<v Speaker 2>technical skills and just my like computer tech savviness just

446
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.440
<v Speaker 2>from like living with him. And then the next year

447
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.799
<v Speaker 2>I was staying with Reggie, who was I think he

448
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:44.279
<v Speaker 2>was in fifth form at the time when I was

449
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:49.880
<v Speaker 2>in second form, and and staying with Reggie he was.

450
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>He was just like such a big fan of hip hop.

451
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 2>He had all these CDs of like Biggie and Tupac

452
00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:03.119
<v Speaker 2>and Eminem and like ludaic Is. Like I got into

453
00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:08.240
<v Speaker 2>so much music and got introduced into like freestyling, and

454
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.880
<v Speaker 2>someone was like, yo, you have freestyle. Just put on

455
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the beat, and then everybody started rapping, and I started

456
00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.279
<v Speaker 2>reading the dictionary just to increase my vocabulary, just so

457
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.839
<v Speaker 2>I could beat everybody in freestyle battles. So it was

458
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.279
<v Speaker 2>just a whole journey of just like self discovery just

459
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.599
<v Speaker 2>living in Jamaica. And and then honestly, like it wasn't

460
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 2>until until I actually produced DJ Kalli's Holy Mountain with

461
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Buju and Sizzla and Movado, And that's kind of when

462
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I really started like really looking in the mirror and

463
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:42.759
<v Speaker 2>like wanting to tap more into my Jamaican roots because

464
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.480
<v Speaker 2>it just felt so good to contribute to culture that

465
00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:50.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, it made me want to like dive in

466
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 2>even further because it just furthered my purpose and yeah,

467
00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Speaker 2>elevated my purpose, and I just felt like there's so

468
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.839
<v Speaker 2>many things like contribute with the knowledge that I've received,

469
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>even outside of Jamaica, that I could pour into the

470
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:09.279
<v Speaker 2>culture while at the same time discovering the culture putting

471
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the faces to the names, which I never did growing up.

472
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 2>So I was like always hearing Capleton, but I didn't

473
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.599
<v Speaker 2>know what he looked like or who he was. So

474
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:18.720
<v Speaker 2>it's like I'm going to go record with him and

475
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm listening to studying his music, I'm like, yo, that

476
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:23.279
<v Speaker 2>was Capleton the whole time. So now I just know

477
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:29.000
<v Speaker 2>so much more. And so it's almost like a self

478
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:31.400
<v Speaker 2>discovery project of just like a lot of things that

479
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing and focused on within Jamaica and trying

480
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 2>to just Yeah, it made me just proud of want

481
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:41.559
<v Speaker 2>to represent Jamaica on the global scales.

482
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>I love that, and I love that you brought up

483
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:47.079
<v Speaker 1>that song because I think that's one of those songs

484
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that have, you know, that feel. My dad would be

485
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>very proud of me, because that's like his favorite thing

486
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.880
<v Speaker 1>to say as a musician. But like, you can just

487
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.119
<v Speaker 1>feel that that was produced by Jamaica, and this is

488
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>before I knew you produced it. Like I could just

489
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 1>tell there's just something about it, like you can't replicate

490
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 1>that feeling. I don't really know how to describe it.

491
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I know what you mean. I mean, honestly really speak

492
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 2>of my language, because the way I look at music

493
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>is I don't think about how music sounds when I'm

494
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 2>making music, Like I'm always I'm always like, how does

495
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:24.400
<v Speaker 2>it feel? Everything every decision I make is based on

496
00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 2>how something feels versus how it sounds.

497
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's how I grew up around music. I mean,

498
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.759
<v Speaker 1>I grew up around my dad just literally getting with

499
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, some of the best musicians, Uncle Barri's, uncle Tutz,

500
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and they just start playing and it ends up sounding

501
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>like a hit song. And they're literally just playing like

502
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.839
<v Speaker 1>they don't plan anything, and it's just like it just

503
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>has this feeling. It just feels authentic. It feels like home.

504
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>That's the best way I can describe it.

505
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:58.319
<v Speaker 2>And then when you're able to capture that, people feel

506
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.079
<v Speaker 2>that frequency when they're listen into it. Because it's captured,

507
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.759
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like taking a picture. It's a moment in time.

508
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>It can't be doe to technology, yes.

509
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 2>And so it's just like, you know, I consider creating

510
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 2>music and then the things that I apply to the music,

511
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 2>to me that like enhance the feeling. It's almost like

512
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 2>someone who takes a picture. Now they're editing the photo.

513
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Now they want to turn up the saturation and they

514
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 2>want to maybe make it black and white or so.

515
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.160
<v Speaker 2>It's just like when I'm thinking of like every sound,

516
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I might capture somebody playing the bass, but I'm thinking, like,

517
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:32.720
<v Speaker 2>how do I want it to feel? Do I want

518
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 2>it to feel vintage? Do I want it to be warm,

519
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:39.279
<v Speaker 2>or do I want it to you know, like just

520
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 2>be very intentional on where it's placed. Like so all

521
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:45.599
<v Speaker 2>those things add to the feeling. So I kind of

522
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.319
<v Speaker 2>see every sound is like a blank canvas, and I'm

523
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.920
<v Speaker 2>just like coloring it and I'm getting even more detailed.

524
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm zooming in and I'm really like going into my palette,

525
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.039
<v Speaker 2>mixing colors together and getting it even in between the

526
00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:00.960
<v Speaker 2>colors just like it might be like very light green,

527
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>or it might be really dark red or you know.

528
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.759
<v Speaker 1>So I really love that description. I love that you

529
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>can tell say you read dictionary for fun, you know,

530
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>because that's such a really vivid description, like for somebody

531
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>that is not aware of music or how music is

532
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.319
<v Speaker 1>created for them to picture that, and it's so interesting

533
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.119
<v Speaker 1>you describe it that same way Because I had Aston

534
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Barrett Junior on Here a couple of seasons ago, and

535
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>he was talking about the struggle continues, the struggle discontinues,

536
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry that he produced with Damian Marley, and he

537
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>was just explaining, like again, the feel of the music

538
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>and the feel that he wanted to get. And it

539
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 1>was so funny because it's like I now understand all

540
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>that I'm older. I now understand more of the jargon

541
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 1>that my dad and my uncles would use when it

542
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.279
<v Speaker 1>comes to music, because I don't know how to read music.

543
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know any of that. But when you grow

544
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:06.119
<v Speaker 1>up around it, it's like you can just tell that feeling,

545
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And I remember I had

546
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Uncle Sli on here, Sly Dunbar Wow from Sly and Robbie,

547
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 1>and he was telling me about when he did Punky

548
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Reggae Party and the drum you know, the drum role

549
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.200
<v Speaker 1>that he did in the beginning. And it's so funny

550
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.519
<v Speaker 1>because he was telling me about another song and knowing

551
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>like that that was my dad on the drums. And

552
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 1>then my dad was telling me about the song and

553
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.799
<v Speaker 1>knowing like, oh, that's Uncle Sly, Like I knew that

554
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.799
<v Speaker 1>was him just by listening and I'm like, Dad, how

555
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 1>do you know that? Like literally, he'll just hear a

556
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.480
<v Speaker 1>little role and he's like, oh, yeah, that's sly And

557
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, do you know that's crazy?

558
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 2>You want to know it's super crazy too. My mom.

559
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>The other day, my mom texted me this one song.

560
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.799
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's going viral and it's about like family.

561
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.400
<v Speaker 2>And then I have a big cousins chat and then

562
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 2>they sent it in that cousin's chat too, and I

563
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 2>was and I put the screenshot of what I said

564
00:31:58.279 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>to my mom. I was like, oh, it's a meaning

565
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>full song. But literally within five seconds, I could tell.

566
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.119
<v Speaker 2>I could tell. I was like, this sounds like it

567
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.319
<v Speaker 2>was generated by AI and I could tell. And they

568
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.119
<v Speaker 2>were like, how can you tell? How do you know that?

569
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:13.519
<v Speaker 2>And I could just I just know, you know, like

570
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.319
<v Speaker 2>I could, I could hear, I could hear the difference,

571
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:19.559
<v Speaker 2>so I could feel the difference or I know how

572
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.559
<v Speaker 2>it would write versus human. Even though it's getting really good,

573
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.319
<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong, Like there's some crazy ideas being

574
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 2>generated with AI, but like I can't even tell, even

575
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>though a lot of people who wouldn't know, but like

576
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 2>it's literally five seconds within hearing it, I could tell

577
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.119
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Yo, this sounds like it's generated by AI.

578
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>And then I looked it up and then it was

579
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>but no.

580
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.519
<v Speaker 1>So talking about feel right, we had such an in

581
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>depth conversation I lost my train of thought. So talking

582
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>about feel when was the first time that you felt

583
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:57.640
<v Speaker 1>music move you, not just like something that you liked,

584
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.759
<v Speaker 1>but something that you felt like this told me like

585
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.039
<v Speaker 1>this sound or you know, these chords chose me and

586
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 1>I have to create something.

587
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, before you said I have to create something, it

588
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>immediately what I was thinking of. You know how I

589
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.160
<v Speaker 2>mentioned some of my favorite songs in my childhood. Like

590
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.119
<v Speaker 2>as you were speaking, it brought me all the way

591
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.279
<v Speaker 2>back to like some memory of some apartment we used

592
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>to live in and I'm a little kid, and it's

593
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:27.599
<v Speaker 2>a it's like a tape or CD playing and it

594
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.279
<v Speaker 2>had Michael Jackson's you Are Not Alone the song you

595
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.799
<v Speaker 2>you know that song, Yeah you are not alone, I'm

596
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>here with you. And just that feeling like it always

597
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 2>made me feel something. And so like as you're talking,

598
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>I went all the way back into it's like a

599
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>time traveled back to that moment and I could feel

600
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 2>the feelings that I felt just hearing that song and

601
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>how it like, yeah, it was a comforting song to me.

602
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, I love that, And I think that's what

603
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.920
<v Speaker 2>music is. It's literally the soundtrack to our lives. And

604
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.720
<v Speaker 2>that's why, like you know, making music is actually an

605
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:06.519
<v Speaker 2>important job. Music. I've literally like had a song called

606
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Breathe that I played like in a situation where my

607
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 2>cousin was basically having like a mental breakdown and I

608
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't even really realize he was battling certain things. And

609
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.679
<v Speaker 2>I had a song called Breathing and just playing he

610
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:21.599
<v Speaker 2>was like Yo, played again, be cuz played again. And

611
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.760
<v Speaker 2>it was like a three hour ride from Portland, Jamaica

612
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:28.159
<v Speaker 2>back to Osurius, I think, and it was like I

613
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 2>just played that song over and over and it calmed

614
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.320
<v Speaker 2>him down so much, and just realizing like just how

615
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 2>powerful music is. There's so much power in music. So

616
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:40.960
<v Speaker 2>it's good to just know it's a responsibility, you know

617
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.599
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. To create music, you have to know,

618
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.440
<v Speaker 2>like you know, there's certain frequencies that you could put

619
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.280
<v Speaker 2>out there, like you could make somebody feel happy, you

620
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.960
<v Speaker 2>can make somebody feel sad, you could make somebody feel angry,

621
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:59.159
<v Speaker 2>like there's so many things that music can do. So

622
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:04.239
<v Speaker 2>it's really really really powerful and special at the same

623
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:08.360
<v Speaker 2>time to know that, like you're literally creating the soundtrack

624
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:09.400
<v Speaker 2>to somebody's life.

625
00:35:11.559 --> 00:35:15.079
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that something that's so beautifully said? But it's so true,

626
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:18.639
<v Speaker 1>Like you have a lot of power, yeah, you know,

627
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 1>in what you create. And so it also makes me

628
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>want to ask you, is there a project that ever

629
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 1>made you feel like whoa, like this is bigger than me,

630
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<v Speaker 1>Like something that reminded you why you even do this

631
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<v Speaker 1>in the first place?

632
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Man, I would say there's a few. There's one that

633
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm working on right now called Sometimes I Wonder, And

634
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.280
<v Speaker 2>basically this is a song that I've actually been like

635
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.400
<v Speaker 2>producing for like seven years, and I feel like the

636
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 2>production is done now. It's like an Afro influenced pop song.

637
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 2>They're also like I had like live Brazilian percussion and

638
00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:01.840
<v Speaker 2>live horns, and it feels it feels very like it's

639
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 2>very like reflective and introspective, and it's it's about you know,

640
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.360
<v Speaker 2>it's about hopes. It's like sometimes I Wonder, there's things

641
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna change, people fade away, all these different things, and

642
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.559
<v Speaker 2>and so like just doing that song, I had this

643
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:18.559
<v Speaker 2>big vision for it, like I could see it being

644
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 2>like we are the world, like being connected to companies

645
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:27.079
<v Speaker 2>like Coca Cola, Disney, the Olympics, the World Cup, like

646
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>it has that feeling. And so I basically like created

647
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 2>a whole PDF about the vision of how I could

648
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:36.480
<v Speaker 2>see this song being used. And I've seen these kids

649
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 2>in Africa called Nation Infinity Africa and they have almost

650
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.880
<v Speaker 2>a million followers on Instagram, were probably even more, and

651
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.119
<v Speaker 2>like they basically are in orphanage, and all these kids

652
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.960
<v Speaker 2>used dancing as their way to like express themselves. And

653
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I took a lot of their videos from Instagram and

654
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 2>I basically like chopped it up and edited it to

655
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 2>the song to create an overall pitch that I started

656
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.440
<v Speaker 2>sending out to all these companies and every thing. And

657
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 2>by doing that, I actually connected directly with that organization.

658
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.679
<v Speaker 2>And just because of my vision for this song and

659
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the way that I was able to put my vision

660
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 2>in a tangible form, now I have like really big

661
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>directors and all these people trying to like literally shoot

662
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.920
<v Speaker 2>a documentary call sometimes I wonder in And because of that,

663
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I got invited to a big event for organization that

664
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 2>has all these schools in Africa and is creating all

665
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.519
<v Speaker 2>this impact and just so many things have come out

666
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 2>of it to the point where it's like, now I

667
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 2>have a nonprofit organization being that just got found it

668
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 2>called Major Change Initiative. All these different things all because

669
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.519
<v Speaker 2>of this one song's vision and it's beautiful and it

670
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 2>just shows how much, like you know, just putting your

671
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.599
<v Speaker 2>vision in a tangible form and really going all in

672
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:59.920
<v Speaker 2>on that vision, you know, it could literally impact the world.

673
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:03.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, you could literally change the world. And yeah,

674
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>so that's a project that I'm really proud of. And

675
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.119
<v Speaker 2>then something that's come out, I would say working with

676
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Rhapsody Rhapsoy is one of those artists that puts so

677
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.280
<v Speaker 2>much feeling into her music and like really cares about

678
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>the artific So working with her was a very like

679
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 2>artful and creative experience. And so she had a song

680
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.519
<v Speaker 2>called Faith that I felt like was just so special

681
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 2>the way that record came together and like when it

682
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 2>and it actually just got nominated for like a BT

683
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Award in the Inspirational category alongside another song that I

684
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.840
<v Speaker 2>did called Rain Down on Me with Gloiala and Kirk Franklin.

685
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Kira shared and Maverick City. So yeah, it's just been

686
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 2>interesting just just even reading the comments on the song,

687
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.079
<v Speaker 2>like yo, like this song made me cry, or this

688
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 2>song made me think about this, or like there's so

689
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:58.159
<v Speaker 2>many ways that the song can touch people. You know,

690
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.679
<v Speaker 2>I've played the song for people and they've cried. Like

691
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.840
<v Speaker 2>I've literally played music that I've created for people and

692
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.639
<v Speaker 2>watched grown men cry before. And that's because of the

693
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:10.159
<v Speaker 2>feeling that I put into my music. Back to the field,

694
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 2>It's all about the feeling. And as I'm making this music,

695
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about how how do I want somebody to

696
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.719
<v Speaker 2>feel when they hear this? And like I said, every

697
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 2>decision that I make in the production process is based

698
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 2>on that.

699
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you know it's it's so funny because listening

700
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>to your researching the songs that you've produced and then

701
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>listening to them, the most recent one being Sweet Love,

702
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:36.320
<v Speaker 1>which is actually what led me to find you so surprisingly,

703
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know you produced The Devil is a Lie.

704
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:41.159
<v Speaker 1>You know, all those other songs that I've been loving

705
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Holy Mountain for years, not knowing you were the producer

706
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.360
<v Speaker 1>on them. But then I thought, now i know, I'm

707
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>not crazy. I knew it had to be a Jamaica

708
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 1>on that producer, I said, I could feel it in

709
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 1>my ball.

710
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think and I think, like yo, even

711
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:01.599
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the new reggae music and like even

712
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.239
<v Speaker 2>some of the legends, Like I feel like a lot

713
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:07.519
<v Speaker 2>of the new reggae music is lost the feeling, you know.

714
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I think that like it's not being produced the same ways.

715
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:14.519
<v Speaker 2>It's not. It's very digital. It's very like you know,

716
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 2>the way I approach production now is like I'm not

717
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.599
<v Speaker 2>even programming strings or horns or guitars, like I'm getting

718
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.880
<v Speaker 2>everything done live. I flew to Spain just to record

719
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.239
<v Speaker 2>the drums properly with the drum like I'm taking the

720
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:29.719
<v Speaker 2>extra model and applying the things that I do and

721
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.360
<v Speaker 2>even these other genres and when there's bigger budgets and

722
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 2>all these things, and I'm trying to like take these

723
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 2>feelings and back to the culture because I want to inspire,

724
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:41.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, innovation in the reggae sound and just like

725
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Speaker 2>being able to like bring back that feeling. Let's bring

726
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.119
<v Speaker 2>the feeling back, and let's let's still innovate it, but

727
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.880
<v Speaker 2>let's bring that feeling back, you know. So that's that's

728
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 2>something that I want to push the backing vocals. I

729
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:56.559
<v Speaker 2>had the Cold Bust in Amsterdam, Like on those backing vocals.

730
00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Everything about it was about like the feeling and just

731
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 2>making for sweet love. Yeah yeah, just making sure we

732
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.480
<v Speaker 2>capture the essence. Yeah, I could tell you like all

733
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.719
<v Speaker 2>the pieces around the world that came together just for

734
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.079
<v Speaker 2>sweet Love to happen.

735
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:15.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, listen that song. First of all, Berna Boy

736
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.679
<v Speaker 1>did an excellent job delivering that song. It's cadence, everything

737
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.480
<v Speaker 1>but the feel of that song. I'm somebody that even

738
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:25.519
<v Speaker 1>though I'm a young person, they call me old people

739
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 1>picnic because I grew up around I told you know,

740
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>I grew up around all my uncles, my dad, That's

741
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>what I grew up around. So I love that like

742
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.519
<v Speaker 1>rock steady, And I told you this offline that like

743
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:43.000
<v Speaker 1>rock steady vibe, that's like that seventies rock steady reggae,

744
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Like that is my time period for sure, which is

745
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>so crazy to say because clearly I was not even

746
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:56.159
<v Speaker 1>thought of during that time, but like that's what I

747
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>grew up around. I feel like that's the time period

748
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:03.360
<v Speaker 1>of reggae where it was just feel good music and

749
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:06.719
<v Speaker 1>when I heard sweet Love, like that's what I felt.

750
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:11.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just the harmonies, the backgrown vocals. It was like, no,

751
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 1>this has to be produced by Jamaica, Like no way,

752
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Like this, nobody else could

753
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 1>capture this, you know what I mean? So how did

754
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:25.039
<v Speaker 1>that come about? Like just getting him to do a

755
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 1>reggae song? Was that your idea? Was it his idea?

756
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Like?

757
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.280
<v Speaker 1>How did that whole thing come together?

758
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Honestly? I would say like it really started because I

759
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:40.280
<v Speaker 2>had another track. I had another record that I did

760
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 2>with Rhapsode. I was a reggae It started a whole

761
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 2>thing with me and RHAPSI doing like reggae influenced stuff,

762
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 2>like reggae fused with hip hop. And so I had

763
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.920
<v Speaker 2>this one record and everybody wanted it. Like a record

764
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:55.320
<v Speaker 2>executive called me and they were literally trying to pay

765
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.960
<v Speaker 2>me like crazy money for this beat, and I honestly

766
00:42:57.960 --> 00:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to sell it, just because I believed in

767
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.920
<v Speaker 2>song that we had and like I'm still planning on

768
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:06.079
<v Speaker 2>dropping it and doing something special with it, and so

769
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 2>they had. What happened was they had a new new

770
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:11.639
<v Speaker 2>artist that they signed that wanted to use that beat,

771
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and I basically was just like, man, I really rock

772
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.239
<v Speaker 2>with this song. And then they were fighting for that

773
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 2>song and it was a whole thing and I was

774
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.039
<v Speaker 2>just like, man, just send me the vocals. I'm gonna

775
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 2>try something. And so so the original one was kind

776
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:28.440
<v Speaker 2>of more like a hip hop fusion and then this

777
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.559
<v Speaker 2>one just the song just made me go like more

778
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:35.320
<v Speaker 2>just fully reggae with it. And when I brought it

779
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.639
<v Speaker 2>back to them, like nobody really responded. And when I

780
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 2>went to LA, they kind of slept on it. I'm like, bro,

781
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:44.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you, y'all are sleeping on this. So so

782
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I went to UH. When I went to London, I

783
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:50.719
<v Speaker 2>was meeting with Nia Smith at the graduation office and

784
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Nia was I was just playing stuff and I played

785
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.599
<v Speaker 2>him that He was like, Yo, send that to me.

786
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.679
<v Speaker 2>And then you know, he sent it to his team

787
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.280
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, I got a call and they're like, Yo,

788
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.159
<v Speaker 2>this is the DOPESTUH reggae record I heard in like

789
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.239
<v Speaker 2>the last ten years. I sent it to burna Boy

790
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.159
<v Speaker 2>and he wanted to write write to it. He just

791
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.760
<v Speaker 2>want to make sure it's available and yeah, and you

792
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:14.199
<v Speaker 2>know that's where it all started.

793
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Oh that's amazing, and I agree. I agree with him.

794
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:23.519
<v Speaker 1>It is like it's just so well done. I don't

795
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how else to put it, but like

796
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:31.119
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's really well done. I feel like I'm

797
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>just gonna say it here first, it's giving Grammy nomination. Hey,

798
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:40.519
<v Speaker 1>you know it is. It is honestly, like it's so

799
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:42.400
<v Speaker 1>well done. I mean, all of your stuff is well done,

800
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.360
<v Speaker 1>but you know that reggae influence, I feel like it's

801
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:48.320
<v Speaker 1>very strong. Yeah, in Sweet Love for sure.

802
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think it's just like me having these

803
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.719
<v Speaker 2>authentic pieces, like just to just to talk a little

804
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>bit of the production process. So I started, like you know,

805
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.760
<v Speaker 2>just taking the old drums off the song and taking

806
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.719
<v Speaker 2>the a cappella and and I got in with my

807
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:10.280
<v Speaker 2>bass player, Jerks. He's like the dopest when it comes

808
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:15.280
<v Speaker 2>to like reggae bass. He's played for Damian Marley, he's

809
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 2>played for Chronics, all these people, and so he moved

810
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.079
<v Speaker 2>to Atlanta, so we connected. So I Hadham come over

811
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.199
<v Speaker 2>and we basically started started it off just like you know,

812
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:27.559
<v Speaker 2>building that chord progression just off the off of the bassline,

813
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:31.119
<v Speaker 2>and then after the after we laid the bass to

814
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:35.679
<v Speaker 2>these rough drums. I send it to my drummer in Spain.

815
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.639
<v Speaker 2>His name is Joanne. He's really dope showing the reggae drummer.

816
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 2>And then I literally pulled up on Spain like and

817
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 2>we recorded some crazy drums. I loved his sonics and

818
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.320
<v Speaker 2>the way that he captures the drums, and so that's

819
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:51.079
<v Speaker 2>like those textures are important to me, you know, and

820
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the way that you capture it is the difference between like,

821
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, taking a picture on iPhone versus like having

822
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.679
<v Speaker 2>a very high end camera and knowing how to use it,

823
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:05.639
<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, just the difference of that. So

824
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>those things are important parts to me. Then I basically

825
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.280
<v Speaker 2>played the keys on there, and I found a keyboard

826
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.760
<v Speaker 2>player named Luke in Jamaica and I and I really

827
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.760
<v Speaker 2>had hired him to just replay what I did, but

828
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.039
<v Speaker 2>I wanted that feel. I wanted the authentic feel of

829
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.400
<v Speaker 2>someone who's alive playing reggae musicians. I was like, Yo,

830
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 2>replay the keys, but here's the cords and give me

831
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:29.480
<v Speaker 2>that shuffle and give me the organs. And then so

832
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 2>he did such a great job on that. Even though

833
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:33.519
<v Speaker 2>I hired him on it, it just like I pretty

834
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:35.239
<v Speaker 2>much added him to my team and we did some

835
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:41.119
<v Speaker 2>much stuff since then, and uh yeah and yeah, and

836
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.440
<v Speaker 2>then I even gave him publishing on the record everything,

837
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.079
<v Speaker 2>and so like he's really a part of my team now.

838
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:50.519
<v Speaker 2>And then I sent it to Bruce Beats in Miami.

839
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I had Bruce write some horn arrangements to it. Then

840
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:57.039
<v Speaker 2>I sent it to my other horned player, wat Him.

841
00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.599
<v Speaker 2>So Bruce plays the trumpet, so now wak him. He

842
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.079
<v Speaker 2>plays every horn, so now he layers it with the

843
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.519
<v Speaker 2>trombone and all these different parts. And then I'll send

844
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.559
<v Speaker 2>it to the Cold Bus in Amsterdam and precious wisely

845
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 2>and they come up with these I describe like the

846
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.280
<v Speaker 2>vibe that I'm going for with the backing vocals, and

847
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.239
<v Speaker 2>then you know, they put that together and it's just

848
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:22.679
<v Speaker 2>it's just a beautiful combination of just just me, like

849
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:26.519
<v Speaker 2>combining the special the specialist, you know, like the best

850
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:30.360
<v Speaker 2>the strength of everybody for the vision of the song.

851
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so that's how I try to really produce everything.

852
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 2>I think it's it. I really try to capture that feeling.

853
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.320
<v Speaker 2>And then even when I get all the pieces, it's

854
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:43.679
<v Speaker 2>like now it's time to color them, Like how do

855
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.639
<v Speaker 2>I mix the horns to where they feel like this?

856
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:47.920
<v Speaker 2>How do I mix the bass to where it feels

857
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 2>like this, how do I So it's not just about

858
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 2>capturing it. It's like now you have to color it.

859
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Like to me, like when I'm just capturing it, it's

860
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:59.000
<v Speaker 2>literally like having like a coloring book before you apply

861
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.480
<v Speaker 2>to color, you know. And then you really just got

862
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 2>to sit.

863
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.400
<v Speaker 1>With you man, you and these analogies are like a

864
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 1>one I thank you, and then you just got to

865
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 1>take the best of the best, the best parts of

866
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 1>the performance, the best parts of the arrangement, the best

867
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:16.960
<v Speaker 1>parts of you know, figuring out how things work together,

868
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>creating space.

869
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 2>And you know something that somebody said to me, my

870
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.679
<v Speaker 2>friend Willie lytton the day he first met me. He

871
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 2>was just like, yo, when you hear my music, he said,

872
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:28.039
<v Speaker 2>I love the way you use negative space, and that

873
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 2>always stuck with me. I was just like, when I

874
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:33.599
<v Speaker 2>thought about that, it made me realize that, you know,

875
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:37.039
<v Speaker 2>the way that you use sound and noise is just

876
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.039
<v Speaker 2>as important as the way you use silence, Like silence

877
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:44.639
<v Speaker 2>can be just as impactful and just as colorful as sound.

878
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, Yes, and that could have so wow, that

879
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 1>could have so many different meanings. I think, Yeah, that's wow.

880
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:54.800
<v Speaker 1>That you might need to put that on a T

881
00:48:54.920 --> 00:49:00.679
<v Speaker 1>shirt because that seriously, like that could have That's a

882
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:03.199
<v Speaker 1>whole other episode that could have so many different meanings.

883
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:09.719
<v Speaker 1>But I think that's very profound honestly, when you're producing, right,

884
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 1>especially for a lot of mainstream artists, how do you

885
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.679
<v Speaker 1>protect your cultural integrity? You know, like you said, with

886
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.800
<v Speaker 1>having that song and them wanting it, but you knowing

887
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.159
<v Speaker 1>that you want it to be with you know this

888
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 1>person or have this kind of song while still even

889
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:29.000
<v Speaker 1>adapting to an evolving global zone, right, because you're not

890
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a reggae producer, you're a producer of music.

891
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:35.760
<v Speaker 2>It's like, exactly, even further than that, I feel like

892
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm just an artist. I'm just a creator, you know, exactly, Yeah,

893
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:42.559
<v Speaker 2>even deeper than that, because the same creativity that I

894
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.239
<v Speaker 2>apply to my music, I'm going to apply that creativity

895
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.440
<v Speaker 2>when I'm doing business. I do the same thing when

896
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:51.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm networking. I'm a network created creatively. When I'm speaking,

897
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:55.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna speak creatively, Like no matter what I'm doing,

898
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.760
<v Speaker 2>I want to I want to apply my gifts and

899
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.079
<v Speaker 2>apply my creativity to it, and my work ethic and

900
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.320
<v Speaker 2>all these different things. So I think it's I think

901
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:09.519
<v Speaker 2>being an artist is something that you just are you.

902
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah, yeah, But how do you protect that though,

903
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:17.119
<v Speaker 1>because somebody could say, oh, well, you know, we don't

904
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.280
<v Speaker 1>do you know, classic reggae songs like that, you know,

905
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:23.599
<v Speaker 1>but you want to protect your cultural integrity, want just

906
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:24.480
<v Speaker 1>in a certain way.

907
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I would say, like, the way I protect it is

908
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:29.760
<v Speaker 2>just by living by a model that I have, which

909
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.000
<v Speaker 2>is building over chasing, Like I don't think I'm really

910
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:35.000
<v Speaker 2>chasing anything, so I'm not afraid to be like, nah,

911
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to do that, or I'm not

912
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.440
<v Speaker 2>chasing anything, or somebody could want me to do something

913
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.760
<v Speaker 2>and I'm focused on this, so they could try to

914
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:45.360
<v Speaker 2>even stare people have There's been people, big producers who

915
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.679
<v Speaker 2>will stare me away from reggae or try to stare

916
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:50.599
<v Speaker 2>me away from the culture because they're just like all

917
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.119
<v Speaker 2>the people in it, or the business is different, or

918
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:55.719
<v Speaker 2>it's not enough money in it, or it's not enough

919
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, like you know, you're going to make more

920
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:01.159
<v Speaker 2>money doing this, and and some of those things could

921
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:04.519
<v Speaker 2>actually be true, but I feel like the way that

922
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm able to do that is just, you know, I

923
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 2>don't make music for money, y'all. Like, I do it

924
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:12.960
<v Speaker 2>because it's art. I do it because I care about

925
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:14.679
<v Speaker 2>the art. And yes, of course you all want to

926
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:16.679
<v Speaker 2>make money from it and do great and all that stuff,

927
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:18.719
<v Speaker 2>but like, that's not the driving force of why I

928
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 2>did music. It was always something that was about helping

929
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:26.960
<v Speaker 2>my family. It was about it was about love, it

930
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.840
<v Speaker 2>was about being great. It was about maximizing my potential.

931
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:35.000
<v Speaker 2>It was about impacting the world. It's about inspiring others,

932
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 2>inspiring greatness and you know, setting an example. My dad

933
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:41.840
<v Speaker 2>always told me be a leader, not a follower.

934
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Speaker 1>So I think, just like walking On, I have the

935
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 1>same parents. We need to do a DNA test because

936
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.400
<v Speaker 1>we have the same parents. I'm so sorry to interrupt you,

937
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.519
<v Speaker 1>but I literally when you said that, I said, no,

938
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:56.239
<v Speaker 1>this wrap up the podcast.

939
00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm crying. That's crazy.

940
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but no, yeah, that's so true. I'm sorry. I

941
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:05.480
<v Speaker 1>normally don't intern.

942
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:06.320
<v Speaker 2>No, you're good.

943
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:10.639
<v Speaker 1>That's so crazy because my dad says exact same thing.

944
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is that is kind of crazy. Nah, but

945
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.800
<v Speaker 2>it's true. It really is true. So I feel like

946
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.119
<v Speaker 2>that's really how you protect the integrity, Like you just

947
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:21.679
<v Speaker 2>gotta you gotta know who you are and what you

948
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:25.679
<v Speaker 2>stand for you know, like like even as I'm talking,

949
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:30.199
<v Speaker 2>I see, uh, I see next to my name Major

950
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:32.800
<v Speaker 2>seven the pictures, there's no picture there. It's all black.

951
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:36.199
<v Speaker 2>And as I'm talking, the vocal on the meter is

952
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.599
<v Speaker 2>green and then I see yallow. So just looking at that,

953
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I see I see the colors of Jamaica. You know

954
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.519
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. It's who I am, and I see it.

955
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I see it everywhere I see it. I see the

956
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:52.000
<v Speaker 2>connection between everything. And it's just like looking at the

957
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:54.280
<v Speaker 2>game from bird's eye view and just knowing who you are,

958
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:56.519
<v Speaker 2>knowing what you stand for, knowing what your vision is,

959
00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:59.880
<v Speaker 2>knowing where you're going, because honestly, like you have to

960
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.599
<v Speaker 2>know who you are before the world does, like you know,

961
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.599
<v Speaker 2>they learn who you are. You have to know who

962
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.480
<v Speaker 2>you are, yep.

963
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:09.320
<v Speaker 1>And that's the only way you can stay on your

964
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:12.039
<v Speaker 1>path because people are going to try to throw you

965
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:12.800
<v Speaker 1>off your path, but.

966
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:14.280
<v Speaker 2>All the time know who you are.

967
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:19.519
<v Speaker 1>It will be very difficult to do that all the time, Yes,

968
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.719
<v Speaker 1>for sure. Okay, last two questions before we get to

969
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:30.440
<v Speaker 1>our final segment, although two more hours. So one of

970
00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:33.559
<v Speaker 1>your most known productions, The Devil is a Lie. Rick

971
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Ross and Jay Z how did that come about? You know,

972
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.679
<v Speaker 1>where were you mentally and musically at the time, and

973
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 1>was that Did you know it would be such a

974
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.360
<v Speaker 1>big song at the time when you produce the track.

975
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, at that time, I was basically just I think

976
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:54.199
<v Speaker 2>I was just getting out of college. I was trying

977
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:59.000
<v Speaker 2>to figure I was trying to figure out just trying

978
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:01.119
<v Speaker 2>to figure out life, you know, and I was still

979
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.480
<v Speaker 2>like giving my all the music, just sacrificing everything possible.

980
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.320
<v Speaker 2>And and the way the record happened, you know, it

981
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:11.280
<v Speaker 2>was actually a bit of controversy around that record because

982
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.559
<v Speaker 2>like a producer, I know, actually try to you know,

983
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:17.480
<v Speaker 2>finesse and really steal to beat and take the credit.

984
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:20.440
<v Speaker 2>So it came out in a crazy way, and it

985
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.039
<v Speaker 2>was like kind of a big thing, but it was

986
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of the start of my career and really the

987
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:28.920
<v Speaker 2>end of his, to be honest, and so like at

988
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.280
<v Speaker 2>that time, I had r and B legend. Keith Sweat,

989
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.400
<v Speaker 2>he was he was very like he became aware of

990
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:36.440
<v Speaker 2>my talent. He was believing in me, and so I

991
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.280
<v Speaker 2>called him for advice because at one point they were

992
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:44.599
<v Speaker 2>actually trying to finesse me out the track that other producer,

993
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:46.920
<v Speaker 2>so this is what happened. He knew that I had

994
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.039
<v Speaker 2>absolutely nothing as far as as far as money goes,

995
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:53.119
<v Speaker 2>because I always had everything, you know what I'm saying.

996
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:59.400
<v Speaker 2>But he thought I had nothing, you know. And because

997
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.599
<v Speaker 2>of that, he tried to call me and be like, yo,

998
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to look out for you. I know that

999
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:10.400
<v Speaker 2>you need some bread. And so I had somebody, an

1000
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Speaker 2>indie client, who wants to buy this beat from me.

1001
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:15.159
<v Speaker 2>You just gotta basically do the paperwork and they're gonna

1002
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:17.760
<v Speaker 2>give you three grand for this beat. So this time,

1003
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I have absolutely nothing, like I've never made money ever

1004
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in life, and three grand sounded like amazing, you know,

1005
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:29.559
<v Speaker 2>It's like life changing at that time. And my friend

1006
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:31.760
<v Speaker 2>was literally going to give me a ride to go

1007
00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:33.599
<v Speaker 2>pick up that money. And I sat there in the

1008
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 2>car before we started go ahead and there, and I

1009
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:40.400
<v Speaker 2>played the beat one more time and I was just like, man,

1010
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:42.400
<v Speaker 2>he think I should sell this beat? And he was

1011
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.800
<v Speaker 2>like we actually talked about it the other day, and yeah,

1012
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:48.119
<v Speaker 2>he was just like yo. I was telling you, like, bro,

1013
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 2>are you crazy? Get that money? And da da da da,

1014
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.320
<v Speaker 2>And I literally played the beat. I called Keith, I

1015
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.960
<v Speaker 2>sent it to him and then I think he was like, Yo,

1016
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.079
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like it could be something. I listened to

1017
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.000
<v Speaker 2>it again and I literally told him. I told my friend,

1018
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:06.079
<v Speaker 2>I said, I said, I could hear Rick Ross, jay

1019
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Z and two Chains on this beat. Like I'm not

1020
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:12.599
<v Speaker 2>gonna sell it, you know what I'm saying. And I didn't.

1021
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.960
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't even know those were the intentions of

1022
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.079
<v Speaker 2>somebody else until way down the line. But I had

1023
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:23.039
<v Speaker 2>this just delusional belief in myself and just like I

1024
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:25.000
<v Speaker 2>know my and that's what taught me, like, yo, I

1025
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:29.400
<v Speaker 2>have the gift division because you know that that song

1026
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:32.679
<v Speaker 2>was inspired by you know, even me watching the movie Jangle.

1027
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.199
<v Speaker 2>When I think about when I was making that beat

1028
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.880
<v Speaker 2>and I heard that part of the sample, it immediately

1029
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:39.880
<v Speaker 2>made me think of what I was seeing when I

1030
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.840
<v Speaker 2>was watching Jangle and how it felt to be in

1031
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:46.119
<v Speaker 2>that setting, and like I'm I'm trying to like capture

1032
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:49.320
<v Speaker 2>the feeling of that movie as I'm making that beat,

1033
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:51.679
<v Speaker 2>and so like I think Rick Ross actually had a

1034
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:55.480
<v Speaker 2>song in that movie, and that's probably what made me think, like, yo,

1035
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I could hear Rick Ross, jay Z and even two Chains,

1036
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.840
<v Speaker 2>because like it has that like Mike like sophisticated ignorance

1037
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:04.480
<v Speaker 2>and and like I always felt that way. And what's

1038
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.360
<v Speaker 2>crazy was I was driving home one day too after

1039
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.280
<v Speaker 2>the song came out, and I heard a DJ actually

1040
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.159
<v Speaker 2>on the radio playing like remixing it with two changed

1041
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.360
<v Speaker 2>vocals on there, and I heard it one time ever

1042
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.960
<v Speaker 2>in my life. And then I found which I found

1043
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:19.599
<v Speaker 2>the video clips. I tried to record it, but I

1044
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:21.559
<v Speaker 2>was driving and I caught the end where I heard

1045
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:25.800
<v Speaker 2>the DJ's name and actually just connected with the DJ recently.

1046
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:27.519
<v Speaker 2>I think his name was Jalyn. I think it was

1047
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:31.199
<v Speaker 2>a Jamaican DJ too, which is crazy in Atlanta, and

1048
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I messaged him and I told him that story. And

1049
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.960
<v Speaker 2>so it's just crazy because it's like, you know, the

1050
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:40.119
<v Speaker 2>things that I believe, I'm able to see them before

1051
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.000
<v Speaker 2>they actually manifest a lot of times. And people even

1052
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:46.400
<v Speaker 2>asked me when I meet celebrities, They're like, yo, are

1053
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:49.599
<v Speaker 2>you ever nervous? Do you get starstruck? And I always

1054
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.559
<v Speaker 2>answer this question like this, I'm always like, honestly, that's

1055
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:54.800
<v Speaker 2>where I feel most at home. I feel most comfortable

1056
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:58.079
<v Speaker 2>because I've I've visualized these moments so much in my

1057
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.360
<v Speaker 2>mind that it's like when I get there, I feel

1058
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.159
<v Speaker 2>like I belong there. I put in so much work

1059
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:04.440
<v Speaker 2>that I know that I belong there, and so when

1060
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually in those rooms, it's where I feel the

1061
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.880
<v Speaker 2>most comfortable. That's like that's home, you know, it's where

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00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:10.280
<v Speaker 2>I belong.

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00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I love that. WHOA, what's a way to take something

1064
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:19.159
<v Speaker 1>negative or someone's attempts at you know, stopping your purpose?

1065
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:21.599
<v Speaker 1>And see that's the thing that people don't realize. And

1066
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:26.559
<v Speaker 1>you said something so key, this guy, whoever this guy is,

1067
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:31.360
<v Speaker 1>thought you had nothing yep, right, But what people don't

1068
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 1>realize is when you're covered by God and when God

1069
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:37.880
<v Speaker 1>has certain plans for you, you know, like we're say

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00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.800
<v Speaker 1>in Jamaica, who God blessed, no man cursed for real?

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00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:44.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, nobody can stop that. And I love hearing

1072
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 1>stories like that because to me, it just proves why

1073
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:52.599
<v Speaker 1>you might think that you can stop somebody from prospering,

1074
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 1>but you don't.

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00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Have that posblem even without me knowing, somebody was on

1076
00:58:56.159 --> 00:59:01.159
<v Speaker 2>a full on mission to destroy, full mission and I'm

1077
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:04.840
<v Speaker 2>not even knowing. I'm not even knowing whatsoever. So it's

1078
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.320
<v Speaker 2>just kind of crazy that it played out the way

1079
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.559
<v Speaker 2>that it played out. And you know, yeah, since then,

1080
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:12.400
<v Speaker 2>that song has done so much things and for me

1081
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:15.000
<v Speaker 2>to have seen it in a movie. And then that

1082
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.679
<v Speaker 2>song get is licensed in Black Mass movie trailer with

1083
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Depp. It's been in like stuff for ESPN, and

1084
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:23.800
<v Speaker 2>it's been in stuff. It was in the Monkey Man movie.

1085
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:26.880
<v Speaker 2>It just got licensed again and they're paying big money

1086
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:29.320
<v Speaker 2>every time they license it. So I know that like

1087
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:32.559
<v Speaker 2>the feeling, thank you, the feeling that I wanted to

1088
00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:36.639
<v Speaker 2>capture when after watching Jango and having that vision, you know,

1089
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 2>it just shows that that the impossible is only a

1090
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:44.880
<v Speaker 2>matter of you know, trying and never giving up and

1091
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:48.199
<v Speaker 2>just keep on believing in it and not just believing,

1092
00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:49.800
<v Speaker 2>but put putting action behind the.

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00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 1>Belief, you know, right, because faith without works is dead, right,

1094
00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:57.679
<v Speaker 1>And it's such a perfect title, The Devil is Alive.

1095
00:59:58.440 --> 00:59:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't stop omar.

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01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.639
<v Speaker 2>I really got the irony in the in the title, right, like.

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01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh my gosh, what's a beautiful story. I love

1098
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:13.519
<v Speaker 1>hearing stuff like that. Love it. This episode is going

1099
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:16.360
<v Speaker 1>to come out in June, probably like the first week

1100
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:20.800
<v Speaker 1>of June, and it's also Caribbean American Heritage Month, yep,

1101
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:23.800
<v Speaker 1>So I thought I would ask you, what do you

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01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.199
<v Speaker 1>want the world to understand about the role of Caribbean influence,

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01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:32.000
<v Speaker 1>not just in music, but in shaping global culture.

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01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I would say that, like the Caribbean definitely impacts the world,

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01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:44.320
<v Speaker 2>especially just even just being Jamaican. You know, I've seen

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01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:48.480
<v Speaker 2>how reggae music is so big in other places, Like

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01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I went to Japan with Sizla. I

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01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:52.400
<v Speaker 2>had no.

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01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Idea I love reggae, Oh my gosh, yeah.

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01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea. And I went all over Japan

1111
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and seeing like people who speak English as if it's

1112
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:06.840
<v Speaker 2>pat to, well, like they learn English through pat and yeah,

1113
01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:08.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like they don't know how to some of some

1114
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:09.840
<v Speaker 2>of them don't even know how to say anything but

1115
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:13.199
<v Speaker 2>bless up, bless up, and they're talking like Jamaicans, you know.

1116
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.159
<v Speaker 2>So it just goes to show like how powerful, you know,

1117
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:20.079
<v Speaker 2>island culture is. I see, like even a lot of

1118
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:24.320
<v Speaker 2>the dances, everything, you know, it could stem from just

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01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:27.559
<v Speaker 2>a small island and impact the world. And I think

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01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:31.039
<v Speaker 2>that just goes to show, you know, how powerful our

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01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 2>culture is because and how powerful we can be. Like

1122
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.079
<v Speaker 2>it's an example, it's the perfect example of you know,

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01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:42.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, just being one in billions of people on

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01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:44.559
<v Speaker 2>this earth and being able to do something that reaches

1125
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:48.440
<v Speaker 2>millions and billions of people is just insane to just

1126
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:51.719
<v Speaker 2>come from an individual or just how Jamaica is just

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01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.639
<v Speaker 2>such a small place but could have global impact And

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01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.360
<v Speaker 2>isn't that something It's really a lesson in it that

1129
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, it doesn't matter where you start, you could

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01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:04.360
<v Speaker 2>really impact the world as long as you're doing something

1131
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 2>unique and authentic. And I think that's what the Caribbean

1132
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and Jamaica and particular thrives on. You know, I feel

1133
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.920
<v Speaker 2>like we're very unique and so like the things that

1134
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:22.000
<v Speaker 2>are just natural and just obvious to us, is or

1135
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.320
<v Speaker 2>normal for us, is cool to everybody else, you know,

1136
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.639
<v Speaker 2>just our swag. We have natural swag, our confidence, the

1137
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:31.639
<v Speaker 2>way we talk. Everybody wants to talk like us, wants

1138
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:34.559
<v Speaker 2>to look like us, wants to be cool like us,

1139
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:37.519
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. So yeah, so I think

1140
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it's true. And to us, it's like sometimes we don't

1141
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:44.320
<v Speaker 2>even understand how special we are and how much impact

1142
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.920
<v Speaker 2>that we have. So it's also, like I said, a

1143
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:50.639
<v Speaker 2>responsibility because we set the trends of the world.

1144
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:55.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, beautifully said all right, So before we transition

1145
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:59.039
<v Speaker 1>to our final segment, I've been allowing my guests to

1146
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:02.079
<v Speaker 1>ask me one question this season because you guys don't

1147
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:04.360
<v Speaker 1>normally get to ask it. Oh really, so is there

1148
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.199
<v Speaker 1>anything you'd like to ask me?

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01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, I wasn't prepared for this. Let's see.

1150
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.519
<v Speaker 1>That's the point. You got to think on your feet.

1151
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, cool. Well I told you I used

1152
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:18.280
<v Speaker 2>to read the Dictionary freestyle, so it shouldn't take me

1153
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.960
<v Speaker 2>too long to come up with something. Listen. I just

1154
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.360
<v Speaker 2>want to come up with a really good question. All right,

1155
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:26.519
<v Speaker 2>all right, I got you. I got you. What do

1156
01:03:26.599 --> 01:03:30.519
<v Speaker 2>you feel like? What is your vision? And what do

1157
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:32.840
<v Speaker 2>you feel like your gift is and where do you

1158
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:37.599
<v Speaker 2>see it have an impact? Like what's most important to you?

1159
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:40.840
<v Speaker 2>What's your what's your what is your why? And what

1160
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:41.519
<v Speaker 2>is your goal?

1161
01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I love that can tell you read the Dictionary?

1162
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so.

1163
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I would say, wow, that's such a layered question. So

1164
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I think my gift is being a mirror for people

1165
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and remind people of their worth. I think that that's

1166
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:06.679
<v Speaker 1>my gift because I grew up in an immediate family

1167
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:10.639
<v Speaker 1>with parents that constantly did that and do that for me.

1168
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:15.519
<v Speaker 1>So I almost look at it as like somebody that

1169
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:17.679
<v Speaker 1>grows up with a lot of money, right, Like, let's

1170
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:19.440
<v Speaker 1>use that analogy. I'm not as good as you as

1171
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:23.679
<v Speaker 1>an analogies, but I'll try. Right, So, if you grow

1172
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:25.199
<v Speaker 1>up with a lot of money, let's say, like you're

1173
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:28.119
<v Speaker 1>a Hilton or something, right, you might feel like I

1174
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:30.360
<v Speaker 1>would like to give back because there's so many people

1175
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:32.800
<v Speaker 1>in this world that don't have a lot of money.

1176
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:35.400
<v Speaker 1>So if I could, you know, donate to a charity,

1177
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.119
<v Speaker 1>if I could, you know, help the homeless, do something

1178
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.599
<v Speaker 1>because I have this abundance of money, Well, I grew

1179
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:45.400
<v Speaker 1>up with an abundance of love and with a mother

1180
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.719
<v Speaker 1>and father. Particularly as a woman, it's important to have

1181
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:52.760
<v Speaker 1>a father that constantly reminds me every day, co great

1182
01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:55.039
<v Speaker 1>I am, how beautiful I am not only on the

1183
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:59.239
<v Speaker 1>outside but on the inside. And yeah, and it doesn't

1184
01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:03.000
<v Speaker 1>make me arrogant. It makes me grateful, you know what

1185
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean? Because I know that's not normal. And I

1186
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:08.159
<v Speaker 1>only know that, No, it's not. Until I got older,

1187
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I realized, Wait, everybody's parents don't call them a hundred

1188
01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:13.719
<v Speaker 1>times a day and tell them they're so proud of

1189
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:17.400
<v Speaker 1>them and very encourage them. Yeah, Like I thought that

1190
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:19.920
<v Speaker 1>was normal until I got older, and I thought, wait,

1191
01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.360
<v Speaker 1>this is the exception, not the rule.

1192
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:22.880
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1193
01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:26.280
<v Speaker 1>So when I created this podcast, you know, I created

1194
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:29.880
<v Speaker 1>it for a myriad of reasons, but the real goal

1195
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:33.559
<v Speaker 1>was to have Caribbean persons and initially listen to it

1196
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:36.360
<v Speaker 1>and feel seen, you know, so whether they're hearing somebody

1197
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:38.599
<v Speaker 1>else say something they can relate to, or me saying

1198
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.320
<v Speaker 1>something they can relate to and feel like, oh, that's

1199
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:44.199
<v Speaker 1>a Jamaica, that's a Caribbean person. Like I can do

1200
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:51.719
<v Speaker 1>that too, you see what I did then, But no,

1201
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I think, like that's definitely it. And I think much

1202
01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:57.480
<v Speaker 1>like you, and I think I get it from my

1203
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:04.519
<v Speaker 1>maternal grandmother. I can like feel people's energy. I feel

1204
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:08.639
<v Speaker 1>like every guest I've had on this podcast, you included,

1205
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:12.199
<v Speaker 1>I feel like God or my grandmother because she's past now,

1206
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:14.719
<v Speaker 1>has sent them to me because they end up saying

1207
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.679
<v Speaker 1>something that I need to hear, even as a host,

1208
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:20.679
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Or just like in this conversation,

1209
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I usually never interrupt people, but everything you were saying,

1210
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:27.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my gosh, like how do you know that?

1211
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Or how do you you know what I mean? And

1212
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:32.400
<v Speaker 1>it's I don't think it's a coincidence that certain persons

1213
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:35.480
<v Speaker 1>end up coming to talk to me. I also, and

1214
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.559
<v Speaker 1>I say this probably every episode. I take it very

1215
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:42.559
<v Speaker 1>seriously that people who are strangers to me trust me

1216
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:45.159
<v Speaker 1>to ask them anything I want, you know, never ask

1217
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:47.400
<v Speaker 1>me what are you going to ask me? What are

1218
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.719
<v Speaker 1>you going to say? I need to know beforehand. I mean,

1219
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I've had Deborah cox on here, I've had Uncle Sly,

1220
01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I've had so many different people that could very well

1221
01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:58.599
<v Speaker 1>say what are you going to ask me? Because I

1222
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:00.639
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be asked anything crazy, And it's like

1223
01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:03.480
<v Speaker 1>it must be I assume something about me that they

1224
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:06.480
<v Speaker 1>trust me because I could be asking you anything, you

1225
01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:09.480
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. I don't take that like lightly,

1226
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and I'm very aware of like the questions I ask.

1227
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:16.599
<v Speaker 1>And I just want people to leave after recording this

1228
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:21.400
<v Speaker 1>episode and feel good about what they've accomplished and prode. So, yeah,

1229
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:23.760
<v Speaker 1>hopefully that answered your question.

1230
01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:29.920
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. Thank you, Thank you very You do a

1231
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:33.000
<v Speaker 2>great job at what you do. This is very easy.

1232
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:33.960
<v Speaker 2>You're easy to talk to.

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01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you. So many people say that and it

1234
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:40.199
<v Speaker 1>makes me feel so good. And I'm a bad girl,

1235
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.760
<v Speaker 1>but sometimes I feel like crying, but I can't cry

1236
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:50.400
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, bad gilting, but no, I really do appreciate that.

1237
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:57.880
<v Speaker 1>That really really means a lot. All Right, So the

1238
01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:02.239
<v Speaker 1>last segment, don't be scared. I'm going to ask you.

1239
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you six rapid fire questions, and

1240
01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I want you to answer with the first thing that

1241
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:11.840
<v Speaker 1>comes to mind. So just one word or one sentence,

1242
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:15.960
<v Speaker 1>all right, all right, cool, all right? What's one sound

1243
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:19.479
<v Speaker 1>or rhythm that instantly transports you back to Jamaica.

1244
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:26.880
<v Speaker 2>I would say, uh, horns, ooh.

1245
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:28.880
<v Speaker 1>And I normally don't ask follow up questions, but I'm

1246
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:29.680
<v Speaker 1>curious why.

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01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I think that there's so many iconic songs in Jamaica

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<v Speaker 2>that have like great horns and horn sections and like

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<v Speaker 2>even just the introductions. Like I feel like reggae music

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01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:45.319
<v Speaker 2>has so many special intros. I could almost like tell

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01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:47.840
<v Speaker 2>if I'm a sample of old reggae song just off

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01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.000
<v Speaker 2>of the intro. There's so many great intros to songs

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<v Speaker 2>in reggae music. Yes, and I think a lot of them,

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01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:57.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them have like really great horn lines

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01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:59.479
<v Speaker 2>and the texture of the horns. It just feels so

1256
01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:03.479
<v Speaker 2>triumph in, very very unique. So I always always love

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01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:06.039
<v Speaker 2>incorporating horns into into reggae music.

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01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I love that And if you like horns, if you

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01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:12.119
<v Speaker 1>haven't heard it already, you should listen to the horns

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01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:16.039
<v Speaker 1>in Reggae got sold by Tomato instantly made me think

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<v Speaker 1>of yes I will. It instantly made me think of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And my It's funny because my my instrument is drums,

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01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:25.319
<v Speaker 1>obviously because of my dad. So I think of the

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01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:29.199
<v Speaker 1>drum roll in Punky Reggae Party and then bass too

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01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:32.439
<v Speaker 1>fly and the bass.

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01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Bas and drum is so important.

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<v Speaker 1>Regular my family man yep, yep, the base two in

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<v Speaker 1>that and then the drum solo in the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>everything I own by Uncle ken ken Booth, which is

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<v Speaker 1>my dad. So I think that's how I think of

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01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.479
<v Speaker 1>drums too. But yeah, no, I'll definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Send you put yes for sure. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Next question, if you could have dinner with anybody alive

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01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:00.640
<v Speaker 1>or deceased, who would it be and why it will be?

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<v Speaker 2>Tupac? Yeah, that was my That was my initial answer. Damn.

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01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:09.720
<v Speaker 2>And that was such a quick answer. I really didn't

1277
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<v Speaker 2>think this.

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01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:14.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I was surprised. Definitely, people like take

1279
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:15.039
<v Speaker 1>a breath.

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01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I definitely answered that super quick. But the reason

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01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:20.960
<v Speaker 2>do it again if you want. But the reason why

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01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:23.720
<v Speaker 2>I said Tupac, Yeah, okay, I mean, I'll probably do

1283
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:25.920
<v Speaker 2>it again. But like the reason why I said Tupac

1284
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:29.720
<v Speaker 2>for real is because, like, like when I was living

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01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:32.000
<v Speaker 2>in Jamaica that second year, like I listened to so

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01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:35.000
<v Speaker 2>much Tupac and I loved how like artistic he was,

1287
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:38.359
<v Speaker 2>how poetic, how like the things that he stood for,

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01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:43.239
<v Speaker 2>like he really stood for things and and and it

1289
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:46.880
<v Speaker 2>just went off for principles. But man, there's there's honestly

1290
01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:51.479
<v Speaker 2>so much people like I almost have it. And it's

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01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:53.960
<v Speaker 2>in different categories. It depends on what I'm really trying

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01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:58.359
<v Speaker 2>to gain. But yes, yeah, because if it's about music,

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01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:01.920
<v Speaker 2>that's one thing I'm gonna be like Yoney Houston, Michael Jackson,

1294
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Bob Marley, Like it's people like that that I'm gonna

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01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:08.039
<v Speaker 2>think of. But if it's just about in general, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I might want to talk to Jesus. No am, I.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm for real, that might be the best answer that.

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<v Speaker 2>And if not Jesus, I might say King Solomon because

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01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:29.479
<v Speaker 2>he the wisest right.

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<v Speaker 1>Said please to let me talk to Jesus or one

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01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:42.439
<v Speaker 1>of the man dames because yea, oh my gosh, that

1302
01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:44.039
<v Speaker 1>is such a brilliant answer.

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01:11:44.199 --> 01:11:47.520
<v Speaker 2>I I'm crying.

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01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:50.319
<v Speaker 1>I think I think that beats Tupac. I mean, you're

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01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:57.279
<v Speaker 1>not good for that, but for sure, Oh my gosh, Okay,

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01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I have to get myself together. That's hilarious.

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01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:00.720
<v Speaker 2>All right.

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01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.079
<v Speaker 1>What is your favorite Jamaican food?

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01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Ox tail, rice and peace?

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<v Speaker 1>My gosh, everybody love everybody's favorite. I can't even Okay,

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01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:19.000
<v Speaker 1>let me ask you a follow up question, and I

1312
01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:22.680
<v Speaker 1>normally don't, but I have to ask if you had

1313
01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:25.520
<v Speaker 1>to choose, you had to choose your life was on

1314
01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the line between ox tail and rice and peace or

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01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I can sell fish.

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01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:33.399
<v Speaker 2>It's an easy ox tail.

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01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah, it's the easy for me.

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01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:42.880
<v Speaker 2>At least I'm not that. I mean, yeah, I love

1319
01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:46.159
<v Speaker 2>acting and selfish and you know, the breakfast acting. I mean,

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01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a big breakfast person like that. That's when

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01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:51.039
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yo, you might hear my stomach ground

1322
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:53.319
<v Speaker 2>or something, because it's like I'll just get up and

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01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:55.399
<v Speaker 2>just go you know what I'm saying. I get up,

1324
01:12:55.800 --> 01:13:00.920
<v Speaker 2>just get my day started, and I'll start working. And yeah,

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01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:02.479
<v Speaker 2>so I don't really eat breakfast a lot of time,

1326
01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:05.479
<v Speaker 2>but I do love acting softish. But it's like, what's

1327
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:07.960
<v Speaker 2>that hunger. It's just like, man, I could use the

1328
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:09.479
<v Speaker 2>oxtail right now, you feel me?

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01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:13.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. I had CJ. Milan on here and

1330
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:16.479
<v Speaker 1>she produced Vibes Cartels show at the Barclays and she

1331
01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:20.000
<v Speaker 1>said the fate the same exact thing. She said, Ash,

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01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.399
<v Speaker 1>I have oxtail and rice and peas at least once

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01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:24.960
<v Speaker 1>a week. I said, but CJ. Your chest high once

1334
01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:25.399
<v Speaker 1>a week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like eating a steak man, like, like,

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01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:35.279
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, it's a that's a high end meal

1337
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:35.920
<v Speaker 2>in Jamaica.

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01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:37.960
<v Speaker 1>What you mean it is your chest? I have to

1339
01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:41.960
<v Speaker 1>be real high to have that so often. But yeah, okay, no,

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01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:44.760
<v Speaker 1>that's that's an expected answer. But I just had to

1341
01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:53.640
<v Speaker 1>ask why. All right, two more questions. What is hm hmm.

1342
01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:59.039
<v Speaker 1>What's your most fond memory of Mandeville.

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01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.960
<v Speaker 2>It was one day immediately this memory came up. It

1344
01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:09.079
<v Speaker 2>was one day where one of the older people think

1345
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:11.800
<v Speaker 2>it was cam She had came into school on a

1346
01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:13.319
<v Speaker 2>day she was off, but she came in to get

1347
01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:16.640
<v Speaker 2>something from school, and you know, like Victor Dixon has

1348
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:18.359
<v Speaker 2>like a gate at the front, so it's like you

1349
01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:22.479
<v Speaker 2>can't yeah, basically, uh, and I basically snuck out of

1350
01:14:22.479 --> 01:14:24.039
<v Speaker 2>school with a couple of my friends. I think it

1351
01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:27.479
<v Speaker 2>was a melody and maybe LeVar and we literally snuck

1352
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.079
<v Speaker 2>out in the trunk of the car and like it

1353
01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:30.800
<v Speaker 2>went to like.

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01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:34.199
<v Speaker 1>A guy, this is just a story. Don't skull class

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01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:35.239
<v Speaker 1>please and thanks.

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01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Nah. Definitely definitely was wild when wild in my Jamaica days.

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01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:43.279
<v Speaker 2>It was a fun time. Yeah, it was adventure. Yeah,

1358
01:14:43.319 --> 01:14:47.439
<v Speaker 2>so that the time I skipped school and and uh

1359
01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:51.800
<v Speaker 2>left in the trunk either that time. Man, dang, I'm

1360
01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:53.960
<v Speaker 2>getting too many memories. I done thought it like two more.

1361
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Now, Yeah, tell me, I want to know.

1362
01:14:57.039 --> 01:15:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you the last one after, Okay. But yeah,

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01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:07.439
<v Speaker 2>so it was another time where they was having a

1364
01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:09.159
<v Speaker 2>big event at school and I think they was in

1365
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:13.279
<v Speaker 2>like the auditorium or the chapel or whatever. And so

1366
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:16.479
<v Speaker 2>because there's the fence around the whole school, we basically

1367
01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:19.800
<v Speaker 2>like me and my friends ran across the football field

1368
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:23.000
<v Speaker 2>and went up the hill through the trees and everything,

1369
01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and then basically went up to like NCU because like

1370
01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Northern Caribbe University is like right up the street basically,

1371
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and so we went up there and we tried to

1372
01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:34.640
<v Speaker 2>go into the store that's over there and then we

1373
01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:38.239
<v Speaker 2>saw a teacher and then the teacher literally started chasing

1374
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:41.399
<v Speaker 2>us like around this like big water pump thing. It was.

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01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:44.880
<v Speaker 2>It was crazy, the teacher was chasing Nah, we definitely

1376
01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:47.920
<v Speaker 2>got got no. I wasn't safe at all, and we

1377
01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:52.119
<v Speaker 2>got a big, big trouble. Man. I think like they

1378
01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:55.640
<v Speaker 2>beat us and everything. And then we had like I

1379
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:57.560
<v Speaker 2>think I had a rite, Like I forgot how many

1380
01:15:57.640 --> 01:15:58.840
<v Speaker 2>lines I had to write.

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01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Like it was like, yes, people in the American school

1382
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:05.000
<v Speaker 1>system don't.

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01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about none of that. I don't know

1384
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:14.359
<v Speaker 2>about none of that. But yeah, those memories came. Man.

1385
01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I actually had it for a long time. But when

1386
01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I went to Jamaica late last year, yeah, I was

1387
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I had an opportunity to just like ride out with

1388
01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:30.960
<v Speaker 2>some friends. Yeah, and I just got to see Mandival

1389
01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:35.880
<v Speaker 2>really quickly. It wasn't it wasn't a long time, yeah,

1390
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:39.680
<v Speaker 2>but it was just a very short ride. I also

1391
01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:45.720
<v Speaker 2>with like artists, uh, Stephanie saint Comb and Chelsea and

1392
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:49.279
<v Speaker 2>McCoy and the whole crew. They I met them out

1393
01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:52.079
<v Speaker 2>there when I met Barris and then they just basically

1394
01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:53.800
<v Speaker 2>invited me they was going to OCHI. So I was like, yo,

1395
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I about to go see my family and everything. And

1396
01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:58.000
<v Speaker 2>then they was like, yo, I'm stopping at Manival And

1397
01:16:58.000 --> 01:16:59.479
<v Speaker 2>that made me just want to go on that little

1398
01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:02.000
<v Speaker 2>road trips so bad, just because I hadn't seen Mandibal

1399
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:04.359
<v Speaker 2>and so on, and I really only got to see

1400
01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:09.119
<v Speaker 2>it for like a quick second, okay, but just that

1401
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:11.880
<v Speaker 2>one little split second of even like seeing the church

1402
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I used to go to there being more built up

1403
01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:16.479
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. It brought back a lot of memories and

1404
01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:19.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of nostalgia. So I really want to go

1405
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:20.880
<v Speaker 2>back there and spend a little bit more time and

1406
01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:25.000
<v Speaker 2>really see everything. But nah, it was special to even

1407
01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:27.640
<v Speaker 2>just be back in the vicinity, you know.

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01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Beautiful. I love that. Okay, two more questions.

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01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:37.159
<v Speaker 1>What's a habit or a daily ritual that keeps you grounded?

1410
01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Hmhm, daily ritual that keeps me grounded? I would say, hmmm,

1411
01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I do some much things every day. But what's the

1412
01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:02.760
<v Speaker 2>thing you know? I would say, just uh man, there's

1413
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:04.439
<v Speaker 2>so many things I do every day, but to keep

1414
01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:06.880
<v Speaker 2>me grounded, I would say, like, babe, try to pray.

1415
01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Like whenever I remember to pray. There's probably some days

1416
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I might forget, but like so, but there's times where

1417
01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:17.039
<v Speaker 2>things happen or like I might get a crazy call,

1418
01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:19.680
<v Speaker 2>or like this meeting went well, and then like things

1419
01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:21.640
<v Speaker 2>are happening in my favor and then I have to

1420
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:23.880
<v Speaker 2>like I'll stop and I'll be like yo, you know,

1421
01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:27.239
<v Speaker 2>give thanks, you know, and just making sure that I'm

1422
01:18:27.239 --> 01:18:32.119
<v Speaker 2>always grateful. It's always making sure I'm showing gratitude, like

1423
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:37.359
<v Speaker 2>having having just overall gratitude and appreciation for everything and

1424
01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:39.560
<v Speaker 2>even the things that don't go my way, just like

1425
01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the journey itself, you know, just having this gratitude, I

1426
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:44.560
<v Speaker 2>would say, keeps me grounded.

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01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Beautiful, beautifully said. And the final question,

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01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:53.520
<v Speaker 1>if the younger version of yourself could hear one of

1429
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:56.680
<v Speaker 1>your records today, what do you think he'd say?

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01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Man, wow, I think he would be like he would

1431
01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:08.800
<v Speaker 2>he would definitely say wow. And like I didn't even

1432
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:14.800
<v Speaker 2>know the level was that high, you know, because when

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01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:18.439
<v Speaker 2>I was first starting and I always felt like, you know,

1434
01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:20.720
<v Speaker 2>my stuff was dope. I always felt like I was creative.

1435
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:25.159
<v Speaker 2>And then it got to a point where where I

1436
01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:29.479
<v Speaker 2>had an experience that really like shaped like my definition

1437
01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:32.920
<v Speaker 2>of what quality was and helped elevate my quality. I've

1438
01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:37.399
<v Speaker 2>been chasing, like higher quality ever since. And I think that,

1439
01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:39.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, just the level that I'm at right now

1440
01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:44.159
<v Speaker 2>and some of the things I've been able to accomplish.

1441
01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I think, just looking back, you know, like me looking

1442
01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:49.720
<v Speaker 2>back at my young self now when hearing the stuff

1443
01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I was doing back then, some of them were actually

1444
01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:55.680
<v Speaker 2>really great ideas, but they weren't executed well. I see

1445
01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:59.000
<v Speaker 2>that I was always a great visionary, but sometimes what

1446
01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I had to learn over years and skill, like my

1447
01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:04.560
<v Speaker 2>talent was being a visionary visionary, but I had to

1448
01:20:04.600 --> 01:20:07.399
<v Speaker 2>develop the skill of executing my vision. So I think

1449
01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:10.239
<v Speaker 2>over the years, I've been able to just get even

1450
01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:13.640
<v Speaker 2>more refined and better at executing whatever is in my

1451
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:18.560
<v Speaker 2>head and whatever the vision is. So I think, yeah,

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01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I think my younger self would look at me and

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<v Speaker 2>be like wow, Like I think they would be in

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<v Speaker 2>awe at what I'm able to accomplish. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>my future self will say that about myself now, because

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've only scratched the surface of what

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<v Speaker 2>my potential is. I think I'm just now getting into

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01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:37.279
<v Speaker 2>it for real, for real, I'm just getting started.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad I caught you out before you win.

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<v Speaker 1>You're seven to eight Grammys.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm catching no, no, no, I'm always going to be available,

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<v Speaker 2>especially especially for the real ones. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, unfortunately that concludes a podcast, but or the episode

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<v Speaker 1>I should say, but I have to say my little

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<v Speaker 1>thank you you so, Omar. I want to thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for your sound, your story, and your spirit. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you remind us that some dreams are born through statistics,

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<v Speaker 1>but others, like yours, are born through grace. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that you carry Jamaica not as a flag to wave,

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<v Speaker 1>but as a language. You speak fluently in rhythm, in excellence,

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01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:33.079
<v Speaker 1>in your integrity, and in legacy. So to our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>if you ever doubt your purpose, let Omar's journey and

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<v Speaker 1>story remind you it doesn't matter where you start. What

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<v Speaker 1>matters is that you honor where you're from, stay grounded

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<v Speaker 1>in who you are, and let that be enough to

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<v Speaker 1>move the world. So thank you so much for coming

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<v Speaker 1>to talk it things with me.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an amazing time, and I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>say thank you so much for inviting me on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you did an amazing job and I think

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<v Speaker 2>we we covered a lot of great things that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we will have impact on some people and

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<v Speaker 2>so I really appreciate your time and your energy and

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01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:13.520
<v Speaker 2>everything that you said, all those special kind words that

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<v Speaker 2>means a lot to me as well, And those are

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<v Speaker 2>the kinds of things that keep me inspired and keep

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<v Speaker 2>me going. And so you know, I already see great

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01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:24.479
<v Speaker 2>things in your future as well, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're doing an amazing job. So you should. You

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01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:29.920
<v Speaker 2>should definitely keep growing. Anything that I could do to support,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with it. And with that being said, make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you follow Major seven M A j O R S

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<v Speaker 2>E v E N everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, for sure, and we would be waiting for you

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<v Speaker 1>to win your Grammy.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go, it's on the way. It's already done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, it's already done. And thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for your kind words, Omar. You know I can't text

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. You know that guy that love Gray,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't text stuff like that, But I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let the tears flow.

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<v Speaker 1>No, thank you so much. I had an amazing time

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you, and I really do believe that you're

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<v Speaker 1>meant to have this conversation and I really think it

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<v Speaker 1>will move a lot of people. Thanks again,
