Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to a new episode of
the Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters. His
name is Tim Duckworth. And as you guys can tell,
it is the end, the end of it all. We
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for this run yet.
Speaker 2: Not yet, not yet.
Speaker 1: We have a champion. It is Michael the Grinder, Miss
Rocky Grind, Grind Grinder in in absolutely unbelievable final table,
in unbelievable run to the winner circle, the stuff that
like I feel like, I feel like. The script writers
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especially the final table with the way that this played
out over the last few days with the Grinder ever
since he got down to three big lines, the run
to the to the winner circle, to the ten million
dollars to his eighth WSOP Gold bracelet, like just the
stuff of legend. You guys wouldn't believe it if you
didn't watch it. Hopefully you did watch it, because it
was absolutely positively one for the age is one we will.
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Here we're going from four down to the winner. And
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thing out tomorrow an hour. I think total time was
around fifty six minutes, but like actual playtime if you
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got to get into it. Michael the Grinder, Miss Rocky
the EFN Grinder does the farthest thing from grinding, yeah,
but gets it done, gets it done absolutely wild stuff.
So we come back today. He's got seventy six percent
of the chips in play, four hundred and forty four
and a half million. There's five hundred and eighty four
point five million in play, seventy six percent of the
chips and play. Kenny Howard's pretty short to start. He
got eight big blinds. Braxin's on the way, isn't too
far ahead of him. He's got ten big blinds, and
then John Wosnock had like thirty seven or thirty eight,
something like that. You know, we talked about yesterday, how Ellie.
I felt if there was some close spots early, maybe
Kenny passes on them. He takes the ICM approach. Well,
he was dell Ace queen off on the first no,
so he goes all in. Grinder with the tight squeeze
from the big blind, peels king jack of Diamond's boom.
Here we go, makes the call, first first pitch of
the deck, and we're just off with an all in.
Of course, it comes all spades, nobody hits, No one's
got a spade, just the jack of clubs on the turn.
Of course, as if Grinder was not going to hit this.
I swear this guy hasn't lost it all in in
twelve days. Yeah, I mean, he should take this ten
million dollars and go spend the entire thing on powerball,
because I'm like ninety five percent certain he would win. Well,
look up the powerball jackpot right now, you're you're the
money guy.
Speaker 4: Look, okay, I might be the money guy, but I
do not condone power.
Speaker 1: Jack Yes, okay, but you do condone pressing your luck
when you're as hot as Grinder is. I know you do.
Speaker 3: Come on, estimated jackpot two hundred and sixty million.
Speaker 1: That's twenty six x that right now? You know he
would win, you know he could. You could you imagine
the story.
Speaker 3: It would be the best story ever.
Speaker 1: This has already been the best story ever.
Speaker 3: Okay, should spend fifty k on tickets?
Speaker 1: I mean she should. He's just been five hundred can tickets.
Why not just fifty You know what, Actually, with the
way he's running, he could spend one dollar. You spend
one He's just gonna win. It's just gonna win. Just
simply incredible stuff. So yeah, first hand, we lose Kenny Holler.
He takes home three million dollars. Kenny Holler has had
an absolutely incredible run over the years, and let it
be main Event. I know we all like I think
Paul Vopie has the nickname main Event. I mean, I'm sorry,
like I'm starting to think Kenny Hollard needs the nickname
main Event. He's made the found table twice, He's had
many other deep runs. I mean, the guy just basically
it's like every year or every other year, he's like,
you know.
Speaker 3: What, one more and he can have it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm gonna be a little yeah, I guy, just
give that away. I mean a big nickname, of course.
I'm sure if you're Kenny, you're a little bit bummed
to go. You get out all in with the best hand.
He's Queen versus King Jack. But all things considered, you
turn ten k into three million dollars your second run
of it here. Last time he was at the WSP
Man Event Final table, he finished in sixth place, and
so here doing a bit better for himself, and like
I said, three million dollars richer. And then we didn't
have to wait long. The next hand, yeap Braxton Dunaway.
So John Wasnock folds the button, Michael m Isrocky Jams
from the Small Blind, and I think Braxton Dunaway had
ten big blinds to start the hand. So he's got
nine big blinds because he posted the big blind nanty
and he calls all in with ten six suited Grinder's
got a ten of diamonds. This is the wildest call
I've ever seen. Like, I can't I don't know what happened.
I honestly don't know.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 4: I spoke to Braxton Stot of Play and he was like,
you know, this is gonna be tough spot for me
and Kenny, and you know, we were talking a little
bit about parking. I was like, yeah, whoever is out,
who whoever gets the third to the final three, he's
going to feel so much relief and like basically be
free rolling. And Braxson was like, yeah, you know, you're right,
that's just the goal. We'll get to three and then
you make that million dollar page jump and then anything goes.
My guess is he got to that. He's looking up
at this giant everest of a chip stack that Michael
Msrahi has and goes, you know what, if I have
any chance of winning, I need to turn this nine
big blinds, you know, to twenty to forty eighty and
start chipping away at miss road I have any chance,
and he's you know what, it might not be a
gto optimal at all, but I think that's what it is.
I think it's just a little bit of a gamble.
Try and take nine bigs off off the chip leader
and close that gap a little bit with John Waznak,
and hopefully.
Speaker 3: It's his turn.
Speaker 4: He said to me this twenty you know, I ran
like shit yesterday. I hope today I ran like I
hope today. I run like the sun from the start.
And that's what he's maybe trying to do there with
the ten six of hearts.
Speaker 1: I understand running like the sun and Era wanting to
run like the sun. I think we all want to
run like the sun. You still have to make good decisions.
I'm sorry. I mean, this is just when Nick Shulman,
who's the classiest individual in the booth, you know, tries
to keep it as buttoned up as possible, doesn't really
go in on players when he says, I really don't
like that. You know, it's god awfully bad, Like I mean,
it's I think I personally think ten nine suited would
be hard to pull the trigger, just because, again, you
make so much money all the time by folding, and
he did.
Speaker 3: He might he folded the first hand right.
Speaker 1: Standing, he folded the first hand, but still like, you
can't find a better hand in the next two hands
than ten six suited and worst case scenario, maybe you
end up in the big blind again. I mean, I
think in this tournament you can get down to six
big blinds, seven big blinds and still be okay.
Speaker 4: I was down a season off bigs. I know he's
going to have seven, and how big blinds? You know
obviously he is. It's three handed, so you've heavily reliant
on on the deck hitting you and getting something worth
you know, something a little stronger than the ten six I.
Speaker 1: Mean, facing a two million dollar page in between third
and second, I think that I personally would have just
tried to fold as much as I needed to with
the hopes that wasnock and Miss Rocky just went ballistic,
which I think could certainly happen. I mean, we know
the Miss.
Speaker 3: Rocky's is going to do was stop the day with
how many bigs? I think thirty eight thirty eight? So yeah,
so still an hood climb to of a take care.
Speaker 1: Look, yeah, but what if you see something similar to
what we saw on the first day of the final
table Wasnock picks up a big hand Queen's Miss Rocky
picks up a big hand Ace King, and they just
get all the money in. Now, it maybe takes a
little bit less than that. You know, one guy gets
ace Queen, the other guy's got two sevens, and they
just go nuts. Like I don't know, like that could happen.
And if that's the case and the guy goes out,
I'm sitting there collecting a two million dollar page up.
I mean I would try and approach it like way
back when shout out Jonathan Duhommel's banner over there, when
John Rister was just sitting on the sidelines and Joseph
Chong just decided to go nuts. I mean, you never know,
you never know, and like.
Speaker 3: The ten six is not ideal, But I ain't found
on the ice Queen or the.
Speaker 1: No no, no, I'm not saying full of the East Queen,
of course, like I'm not saying like full just fold
good hands. But like this just seemed like he just
he locked up that million dollar page up and said
fuck it, I'm going forward with. I mean, maybe part
of me wants to respect, but the poker player in
me says, what in the holy hell just happened? That said,
you know, Braxton's gone away four million dollars richer, so
he gambled it up. But I also I also thought that, like,
I don't think Braxton Dunaway is I don't think he's
a like a theory guy. I think he's more of
like a live player, a field player. That's just my
my reader understanding of him. So you know, he decided
to gamble it up in that spot and it ultimately
didn't work, and you know, maybe it costs him, maybe
it didn't like maybe he goes on third anyway, right,
But I mean it's certainly being well talked about. And
I don't think we got a bust out interview with him,
because I would have liked to hear somebody ask him,
you know, hey, like, what what was the thought process
with calling all in with ten six suited there? I
mean it just seems I mean, we know Grinder's grinder,
and he can, I mean Grinder can jam five to
six suited, but I mean ten six suited is a reach.
It's definitely a reach. So but either way, very very
very good run from Braxton dunaway. He gets four million
dollars for his third place finish. Of course Michael mcrocky
with that ace ten did take him out. He ended
up making a flush on the river, I think is
how it finished. But when that money went in, it
was funny because Ms Rocky sees the hands and immediately
starts celebrating like he just like he like he won
the hand. Yeah, obviously he sees the hands turned over
and he has him you know, crushed, but he still
is like he's celebrated. I mean, the celebrations from his
Rocky even start to finishing this thing where it's just
just absolutely wild. So then we take a break. Of
course they bring up all the money, they do the
whole thing. We get the heads up play and it's
it's a pretty big gap overall. I mean, walls nuts
got around like ninety million basically like what he started
with because he didn't play any hands. It was just
boom boom, and what heads up Ms Rocky's got. You know,
he's pushing what five hundred million at this point, and
the whole thing is just wild. So now we're thinking,
I mean, what are you thinking? At this point? This
is gonna be over in three hands.
Speaker 4: To be honest, I'm praying it goes for several more hours,
you know, like I wanted to be an event. You know,
we don't really want this over in three four, five hands.
We want to show we want to see these guys battle. Obviously,
the result is whoever's anyone cheering for. But that's the
only thing I really I just didn't want to see
it end within like ten to fifteen minutes. So when
it started, and you know, a couple of us went
to grind a straight away as like, God, here would go.
Speaker 3: He's gonna wear him down and take him out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm kind of like you. I mean, I
don't know how long I wanted to last. I just wanted.
I wanted was not to like make it a match
like maybe get one, double up, maybe pull even. Part
of why I wanted that is I wanted to see
how Grinder would possibly respond to some sort of adversity,
because everything up until this point has just been all Grinder. Like,
whatever needed to happen to fall in Grinder's favor, it happened, right,
you know. Like obviously that ace on the river on
day one of the Final Table was enormous, but so
many other things just happened to work out for him.
His bluffs work. You know, he got paid off when
he needed to, like all this crazy stuff. So you know,
then you know he busts those two people. Things are
going more in Grinders away. So I just wanted to
see him like start making it a match. Maybe he
gets up to like two hundred million. Yeah, Grinders still
got a healthy chip lead. But like then it's kind
of like, oh, like, oh, is Grinder going to lose this?
Is he going to lose this? You know, is he
possibly feeling the pressure a little bit or is it
starting to build? And you know How's was not feeling
but you know, I know wasnot got up over one
hundred million, a little bit over one hundred million, but
he I mean he never really he never really got
close even like.
Speaker 4: A couple of steps forward, a couple of back, couple
steps a couple back.
Speaker 3: You couldn't really get that kind of run on.
Speaker 1: I mean, it really was just Grinders. Yeah, tournament. I mean, like,
I don't know what to say. It was interesting to
see wa Wasnock start talking to Grinder a little bit
mm hmm. You know, he was talking to him in
some of the some of the hands, which which I
thought was a little bit interesting because I feel like.
Speaker 3: That at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you haven't seen it. And also if anyone's able
to like read you, I feel like Grinder is one
of the best at it in the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably not the guy you want to chat to.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, you don't want to chat to Dan Legrand,
who you probably don't want to check to Phil Ivy.
Probably Grinder is like up there in that crowd, like
you don't want to start, like, especially.
Speaker 4: On this run, and he's been on where everything is
going his way, like literally he can't do no wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah he can't. Yeah, don't give him any added help. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then the final hand comes up, and the final
hand comes up, I think about forty to forty five
minutes of actual playtime, and this final hand, I mean
it had it had everything in one hand. So I'm
not even sure I know where to begin with this hand.
I mean, obviously you got to begin on the turn.
So it goes check check on the flop. The club
comes in on the turn to give Grinder the flush.
He checks wasna finally bets his top top two pair.
Now the first crazy part Grinder starts pumping up the
crowd before he raises he's going. He's like going like
this to the crowd to get them amped up, and
then goes thirty million.
Speaker 3: Does this one like this it's for the lost feed ice, I.
Speaker 1: Know, like he did in the Hand with Kenny Hollard
on the first day of the Like it's just like
mid hand, the biggest stage of poker, and this guy
is like just acting like a complete I say this
in a in a totally endearing way, acting like a fool,
but in a really good.
Speaker 4: Photos very entertaining. It wasn't like it all insulting. I
didn't think it was pure entertainment.
Speaker 1: So like he pumped up the crowd and they start
yelling and like you can barely hear him say thirty million,
and then Wasnock snap jams. Grinder calls it off. Of course,
then it gets even crazier, as if you don't think
it stops there. Grinder thinks that he needs to fade
a club. I think he saw the black Yeah from
from was Knock. He thinks he needs the FATA club,
so he starts yelling to his rail that he needs
the fan of club. He's like no club, no club,
no club, which is not true.
Speaker 3: That's not true.
Speaker 1: Then he comes like back to the table kind of
and he's like he's like, oh, oh.
Speaker 2: I won, I won.
Speaker 1: He's like going like it's over, it's over, it's over.
He's yelling to his rail that it's over. He starts
putting his hands in the air like the whole thing,
and we're all like, dude.
Speaker 4: I think there's pictures of his mom in the background
going like this. We think we have picture of him.
Say no, no, no, you're wrong. That's not right, that's
not right.
Speaker 1: Shulan's on the broadcast going Mikey, Mikey, wait a minute,
it's everybody relaxed, Like I think, Shulan says, like, did
we misread the board? So there's this whole thing where
he first he thinks he needs to fait a club,
which is not true. Then he thinks he's won it,
which is also not true. So then he comes back
and like you and I have been in poker, like
you almost feel like you've seen it where people prematurely celebrate, yeah,
and it just it's a disaster for them. But it's
grinders turn this tournament. So obviously wallsnak does not fill up.
It's over. Then you get his brothers hopping over the rail.
You get blessed it coming out of like the wherever
the heck he was, because he did like the little
pregame show. He comes rushing up on the stage like
you got all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: It's madness.
Speaker 1: Then they snap and ducked him into the Hall of Fame,
like fifteen Hall of Fame. People walk up there and
there's like Helmut gets on this whole thing, which which
is a phrase like I've never heard before. But he
starts talking about what did he say? A battlefield induction.
I don't even know what that means. I feel like
he just made that up. Yeah, but they snap inducted me.
The whole thing was just.
Speaker 4: I would like to know how that all played out,
to be honest, Like, was that like a text chain
between everyone that's still a round, you know, late late
last night, early today, just hey, what do you think
of this idea? And then everyone's just signing off on
it and they're like, yeah, let's go do it.
Speaker 1: Because we saw we saw a tweet from Helmet saying
like you know, would it say? It said something about
like we all agree or we're talking about it or
whatever like need negra on you, et cetera.
Speaker 4: So just just for those at home, a little bit
of you know, behind the scenes stuff that is not
grind as trophy, no.
Speaker 1: Trophy.
Speaker 4: So he has been promptly returned to him already, but yeah,
it feels like it's something that happened, you know, late
last night today. Hey, if this happens, you know he's eligible.
He's forty four. This will be his eighth bracelet for
PPC title's main event title. What else can this guy do?
And you know what I think this secretly does. And
like I said, we'd love to find some more. You know,
there's a lot of chattah about changing the way the
PPC is done, right, we need to put more people in.
Maybe this opens the door to changes, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's part of me is like cool,
whatever put him in the Hall of Fame. I mean this,
this feat fifty KPPC and the wasp Man event in
the same year, plus everything else that he's done in poker.
Of course on top of that, like, yes, the guy's
a Hall of Famer, But it also part of me
is like it took a player winning the fifty KPPC
and the WSP main event in the same year for
them to adjust the rules, even if temporarily. That's what
it took. It took this monumental accomplishment for them to
change the rules. Yeah, when we've talked at length many
times about the you know, the backlog and all this
sort of stuff, and it's like, I don't know if
this changes things. I also don't think that, like they
shouldn't just be like snap inducting like people for crazy
reasons like this is this is this is like a
one of a kind unique thing. I get it. Yeah,
you know, but I'm saying, like, let's say, let's just
play Devil's Advocate. You know, I don't know Jeremie Osmus
wins two bracelets next year and then they're like, oh, okay,
but that's what I'm But I'm just saying I'm just
throwing it out there, like it takes like Grinder was
going to get in likely in the future. Like even
if he didn't win this well with the.
Speaker 3: With the comment system of one person, I don't think
he was at all a lock.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, he has to be a lock.
It's anyway it was just it was just kind of
the way that it all played out, this this entire
main event, especially these last couple of days with Grinder,
coupled with the fact that he won that fifty k
PPC earlier in the summer, the fourth time he's won it.
I mean, it was honestly was kind of fitting that
they just walked up on stage and gave him the
damn trophy and put him into the Hall Fame right
then and there, like, you know what, who cares Like
part of me says, like the poker industry isn't like
an entirely serious, buttoned up industry. I mean that like
in a good way, like that we're allowed to do
these things. So I think it was kind of cool that.
I think it was that everyone came together in basically
the last twenty four hours and said, you know what,
f it, He's going into the hall.
Speaker 4: I thought it was great that, you know, not everyone's
in town, everyone's already worked their way home. You know,
they're not here, they're not playing. But you had helm with,
you had Jen Harmon, you had Maury. You know, obviously
Nick Schulman's in the booth. I saw earlier, Elezra, all these.
Speaker 1: David oppenheimwa if Phil Ivy went up there? He did,
John Hennigan went up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you had all these Hall of Famers that
we're here just like, you know what, let's make this
a really big moment, not just one guy going up,
as many of us that are here playing or at
least in the vicinity watching, come up and do this
and really support Grind and really support this. Uh, you know,
as we keep touching on this pretty insane change to
the to the current Hall of Fame adding someone you know,
very sporadically, very randomly, but I think I think we'll
all agree completely well deserved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just again it goes with the whole
the chaos of the summer and the chaos of you know,
Michael the Grinder, MS Rocky and everything that he achieved
this summer, meaning that like we're gonna this is one
of those things, as I said earlier, when we look
back on it and let's say fifteen, twenty twenty five years,
whatever the heck it is, and we're gonna say, remember
that time on Grinder to this part of that part
of one of those eighteen things that I say, we
can say about this is remember that time they all
walked up on stage and inducted him into the Hall
of Fame right then and there. Yeah, like, screw the
voting process, screw this, screw that he's in the hall. Yeah,
like which is which is just absolutely incredible. So I
don't even again, I don't really have words for everything
that I just witnessed. I mean, it was it was
simply incredible. It was simply incredible. You know from start,
guys and that guy's pretty incredible to everything's just incredible here.
I mean, we're right in the middle of it all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but come on, you see camera, you see two
guys talking on a microphone.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think you can really see the camera.
Speaker 3: That he's he's half asleep. He literally won't ride here,
He's completely.
Speaker 2: Out of it.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it.
Speaker 3: So he picks up his table and takes it out
in the back because it was.
Speaker 1: Where does this put grinder in terms of like the
legacy conversation or the legend conversation?
Speaker 4: You know, we we we we kind of joked around
about the Mount Rushmore and you know, I kind of
gave you a little bit of grief for comparing him
to Stone called Steve Austin.
Speaker 1: But I mean, by the way, I plugged and he
told me grinder was stone called Steve Austin.
Speaker 3: So if chat GPT thinks I mean it, God be true.
Speaker 1: But look, by the way, this is gonna be a
future podcast. I thought about it because we're gon we're
gonna be coming up on some downtime and we're gonna
need some fillers, and we're gonna do a whole list
of like these are the top twenty poker players and
this is their wrestling.
Speaker 3: You compared to football, compared to every sport.
Speaker 4: Really, look, let's be honest, feel home with Okay, sure
concerns its number one. I think you gotta put Phil
Ivy number two. I think you got to put down
on the ground at number three, even though he has
less bracelets this fourth spot, he's doing a lot to
put his name on that. I at WSP bracelets full ppc.
Speaker 1: PL.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have a Player of the Year, right, I
don't think he won the yeah two WPT titles and
now the main event there's not. I don't think there
is a better resume, a better all round resume and
poker than that. It's going to be really hard to
match especially. You know, we can obviously talk about the
success of Doyle and Stuey Younger back in the days,
but this is also the modern the modern time, the
post money Maker era, where the fields are bigger and
the players are better. So it is incredibly hard, you know,
to really say that anyone is better than is Rahi.
Speaker 3: Who do we have to consider?
Speaker 4: Eric saidel ten WSP bracelets, five or six you know,
PGT titles. I think he's got a tried and title,
He's got other wins, so he's probably the one that
can really challenge Grinder when it comes to this thing.
And then I think the other one is Jason Kuhn.
Now he doesn't have the WSP you know resume. He
has two bracelets, two incredibly good bracelets, right the Heads
Up Championship and we've got the fifty k Nolman hold
Them roll of this year. But what's he got Eleven
triedent titles, He's won the PGT Championship, you know, lots
of PGT, he's got EPT titles, high stakes cash games,
one of the nicest and best ambassadors the game's got.
So I think those three are the legitimate, Like who
should be number four, when you're kind of considering post
money Maker era and everything that's kind of happening right now.
Speaker 1: I think collectively as an industry, this is I mean,
I might get flamed for this, but let's just let's
not go too crazy on like the goat conversation, only
because I feel like players like Doyle, Brunson, et cetera.
They deserve their place on them of course, So I'm
just saying, like, let's just not throw Doyle off, for example, Grinder.
You know, I'm just saying, like, this is an incredible
moment in incredible summer for Grinder.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of it more of a current,
not the actual live span of poker, because obviously, yes,
I don't think we're going to re removing Doyle anytime soon.
I like what we grew up with.
Speaker 1: I like to think of it in the sense that
we're never gonna see this type of accomplishment in the
span of a summer at the WSP ever again, meaning
winning the fifty k PPC and winning the WSP Main
Event by far, the two hardest tournaments to win by far,
and he won both of them in the same summer.
I mean, like, what the hell what the hell just happened? Yeah,
I mean, part of like winning the fifty k PPC
is obviously obviously you're playing multiple games against the toughest
players in the world. But part of that is you
have to be able to build up to even spend
fifty k to play in the damn thing. Not every
like the barrier to entry is a bit greater than
a lot of other tournaments. Okay, there's that aspect of things.
Then to win the WSP Main Event across ten days
of play, I means it's extremely grueling, Like it's a
minefield out there. The main Event is such a different
beast than everything else. Like you're you're playing largely against
unknown commodities, players you've never seen before. You got to
figure them out on the fly. You obviously have to
run hot at times, yes, but you like you have
to play as best as you can play for ten
days straight, ten to twelve hours a day. I mean,
the whole thing is just Again, if you were to
like write this in a movie, I'm not sure that
I would believe it. If I were to watch this
movie as a poker movie, I'm telling I would say,
if this weren't didn't happen in real life. And I
watched it as a poker movie, I'd say, yeah, but
that would never happen in real life, That's what I
would say. And it fucking happened in real life. Like, so,
I don't know what to say.
Speaker 4: This whole story, this whole story needs to be a
goddamn movie. It would be the most entertaining movie of
all generations.
Speaker 1: It really, it really should. I mean, plus you have
you know.
Speaker 4: It allopens with them at the Rhino, but you always
a monologue from Nick Shulman it's day seven of the
main event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you also have grinders, like he's had these
crazy ups and down to his entire career. Yeah, you know,
like he's he's gone through it all, like he obviously
was at he was at the height of the poker
when he was one of the biggest names in the game.
He was the grinder, Like that's who he was, Like
that's how you knew him, when you knew his face
was plastered everywhere, like you know everything about it. He
was he was larger than life. Then you know, he
obviously went through his problems financially and whatever, like a
lot a lot of people do, and then he storms
back and it's like that's happened multiple times, but now
to do it in the WS main event and win
ten million dollars.
Speaker 3: Again, what the f just happened?
Speaker 4: I just you know, you can't touch you can't touch
on how he had those big highs and he's had
the lows.
Speaker 3: I hope, I hope there's not more lows. I hope
he's I hope he's around. I hope he's competing. You know,
we're gonna touch on the PGT later ball a little
later bit. I hope he starts playing a little bigger
play some of our events, you know, try and you know,
ride that rush, you know powerball.
Speaker 1: Okay, part of okay, but part of I know you say,
like you don't want him to like go through those
ups and downs. But that's part of the authenticity that
makes him Michael the Grinderman. Yeah, yeah, okay, is he
he is exactly who he is? Yeah, he is the
guy who looks like a buffoon, jumping up and down,
cheering midhand before he raises, like misreading the final hand
of the Dubbsby main event, going out every single night
and partying in the midst of this incredible run, like
all wearing the bracelet the whole way through. He wore
s fifty K bracelet, Like I got a sorry about that. Yeah,
but the whole thing is like you like, you don't
see that stuff from from like from the big name stars.
You don't see that stuff anymore. Yeah, and he is
the big name star that did the whole thing. Again,
I cannot comprehend what the hell has happened.
Speaker 3: To touch on the briser real quick. There was a
little incident with it.
Speaker 1: Oh God, of course there was an incident, and I.
Speaker 3: Have to get sent off to get a little fixed.
Speaker 4: It might have been production when they did the all
shoot on day five, you know with all the smoke
and stuff. Uh, the one of the little clips you know,
like on the watch, one of the one of he's
called that that kind of like came loose.
Speaker 3: So they get it like repair.
Speaker 4: They put the bracelet on the link the links so yeah, yeah,
and they couldn't get it off, like it wouldn't clip up,
like it wouldn't unclipped. But like in the moment they're
doing photos, so they like they're rushing, but like they
don't and He's just like leave it on wed shoot
all the photo. So that's why he's doing all the
pictures like this. I'm wondering now, is he I's still
wearing it because he wants to, or be he's still
wearing it because because they come off. I will see
they figured out how to do it once the once
the moment kind of you know, calm down, and they
could take their time to unclip it, you know, fix
the link, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you that. And I did an interview
with him, which we're going to play in one second.
But after the interview, he's got both bracelets on. He's
got the main one, and afterwards Gregorysia shown from w
s P, is like trying to take the manim em
bracelet off.
Speaker 3: He couldn't take it off, okay, So.
Speaker 1: Grinder was like, I'll just wear it like he's got
this two hundred and fifty K bracelet. And they were
like yeah, but you know there's a lot of thing
out there. What if you Grinds like, it's okay, I
got a lot.
Speaker 3: Of people with me. Yeah, he gives none.
Speaker 1: But here's the interview. After Michael the Grinders, Rocky became
the world champion and won ten million dollars.
Speaker 2: When did it hit you? When?
Speaker 1: When did you start realizing, like this is really happening.
It's all coming.
Speaker 2: Together to tell you the truth. Day one. What's it
going to take?
Speaker 1: The closest thing out to mom.
Speaker 5: An houris ft otherwise he's out in hand one and
that'll do it.
Speaker 1: Legendary run Kenny, the embrace of the French fans.
Speaker 5: Off the rail, a time it for cook measure and
a table for four just became a table for two,
no waste or nine.
Speaker 6: That's all it would take and it's over.
Speaker 7: It's unexplainable, like no one never thought. I mean I
heard people guys, this is the greatest achievement in poker history.
And then you got Jared by I says this is
the biggest accomplishment in gambling. That you got Phil Ivery
saying this is the biggest accomplishment in sports. So so
I heard all the craziest things, so I can't believe
I can It's unimagined. Now, the all the thirty three
guys came up said this guy deserves a Hall of fame.
Speaker 2: So I love love them all, Thank you so much.
It's well deserved.
Speaker 7: I mean I could have waited another year would have
motivated me more, maybe hungrier next year.
Speaker 2: But it's okay. I appreciate it, guys. Thank you guys
so much.
Speaker 7: When I played the Hatikva and I was had all
the guys you know, celebrated when I won the PPC.
Then I was after the day one chip Day one
be chip leader and I had no hands too, and
I want all the money in bluffs, no cards over.
It's over, right, it's over.
Speaker 2: It's over.
Speaker 6: Waiting, it's not over it, Mikey, wait a minute, he.
Speaker 2: Just got board pairs?
Speaker 1: Are we reading the board ron?
Speaker 2: Hang on?
Speaker 7: Oh well, well, it was the craziest thing I've ever
seen because after ten days of playing, I don't know,
I was black blanked out.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even see it, like the cars.
Speaker 7: I was like what And then at the first I
thought he had as a club, so I thought he
just had a flush straw. And then I thought he
had that nine with an ace kicker. Then he's drawn
dead and then they were like remember the crowd said, no,
he's got top two. I was like, oh crap, I
got he's got four out so that's.
Speaker 2: Not that bad.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh man, I was already celebrating so
I was never misread. That's the first time ever misread
of him. It was the final hand of those event.
I just think I've I've figured out the game very
well at a deeper, deeper level to do a lot
of creativity that people thinks that no one's ever seen.
I've done plays. Even Mercy and Daniel was going crazy.
Please tell me what you have? Would you have? Begging me?
Mercy said, I can't sleep at night.
Speaker 2: What'd you have? Please? And I told my hands so
I can go to sleep.
Speaker 7: It's just it's, uh, it's all instincts and and feel
for the game and and and knowing my players hand rangers.
Speaker 2: I think that's everything.
Speaker 7: And that and the in the aggression, no one to bluff,
you know, no one to just give up a hand,
and uh even know when to face adversity.
Speaker 2: And I just that's what gets me through.
Speaker 7: Or the thirty three guys that inducted me to the
Hall of Fame, I appreciate that when I could do
with my family and friends. So that's an amazing feeling.
Speaker 2: And thank you guys, Love you guys. Mama grind Or
she gets everything. God.
Speaker 7: Her favorite thing is she loves to play slot machine,
So I'm gonna give her a lot of money to
play some slides. I was at the top of my
level this this World Series. I mean, that's it takes
everything out of me. And that's why every time I
play the World Series, it burns me out.
Speaker 2: But I'm not burnt out. I wish he's still going.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love everything about it. Fact, when
I asked him when did he when did he realize that,
like this is all happening, and he said day one.
Speaker 3: He didn't mean day one of the main eventyone, day
one of you know, May twenty seve I.
Speaker 1: Mean, he's absolutely positively one of a kind. They don't
make him like grinder. I feel like I'm going to
rewatch this Final table multiple times. This twelve Final Table, well,
part of it is like, yes, it was pretty short,
you know, almost just under four hour, nineteen hands to
nineteen hands today and I believe seventy nine total over
the I think it was fifty nine on the first day. Yeah,
so yeah, yeah, the first the first day of the
Final Table took a little bit under four hours total.
Today took about an hour, a little bit under total,
So you know, it's easily easily digestible.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I do often go back and watch past final tables,
and I feel like this is one of those ones
that I'm going to be sucked into watching a few
more times. I mean, it was just the whole thing
was just wildly incredible from start to finish. I think
it's a great result, you know, I think that this
was arguably I'm not sure how far I would go back,
but I mean just kind of looking through some of
these banners here in this room. I mean, it's often
hard for me to talk about final tables and compare
them to the ones that took place inside the Pen
and Teller Theater because even though you may not have
gotten like the biggest names or stars or storylines at
those final tables, that atmosphere inside Pen and Teller Theater
was absolutely electric when the place was packed, everyone had
like fifty people in their crowd, like just going nuts
like that shit was wildly awesome. So it's hard for
me to like go back there and I'd have to
think through it more.
Speaker 4: When is the lost Penn and Tell one twenty ten?
That's a good question, No, no, no, no ten. Jacobson's Yeah,
ke win Keyans was not right.
Speaker 3: Mckeyen's was. I think Jacobson's was the loss.
Speaker 1: No, because didn't didn't keywin beat Gordon vio in Penn
and Teller two.
Speaker 4: Thousand and eight was the first, and then twenty and sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, keeing because I remember I remember the Gordon vio stuff.
I don't know, I can just picture Key winning Gordon
Viole like in my mind on the stage. Yeah, and
then and then Blumstein moved in. I remember where I
was for the Blumstein when I was sitting in the Newark,
New Jersey airport, and that one went to like Forever
in the morning and I had like a I had
like this overnight layover in the airport and I was like,
well I just fire up to man. Fuck it. It
was because it was on Forever. But like that atmosphere
inside that theater was so cool, was just so so cool.
So you got any like you got any other kind
of lasting thoughts here on on Grinder and the just
keep it to the men event for right now. We'll
get into the PGG stuff.
Speaker 4: And No, it was, you know, the whole the whole
last few days was just kind of unbelievable. Watched He's like, no,
there's no way, you know, goes down the three big ones.
He's done. You know, there goes one of our big names. Nope,
he's still in. He's still in, chipping up, chipping up.
Like the story just always seemed like we couldn't believe it,
but it just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
You know, you get to the final table on day
one and you know we have that big ace King
King's hand, He's like, oh, his luck's run out from
Ace on the river, you know, like it's.
Speaker 1: Just every he said he felt the ace on the
river coming. He said, I didn't feel the ten, but
I felt the ace.
Speaker 3: Of course, every day just seemed to level up, like
just so much more on the line, so much more
tugging at the heart strings of you know, everyone in
this room, Like I kind of touched on a bit yesday.
The poker players were behind him, you know, a lot
of friends, a lot of guys that are playing all
these events.
Speaker 4: Here in this bit where we're sitting out, we're rooting
for Grinder, and it's it's it's just so hard to believe,
and you know, like we're going to be back here
next year, you know, talking about the main event, talking
about other events and being like, probably still won't be
able to believe that Grinder did what he did this
world series, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can already see myself back here next
year and we're gonna see his banner up on the
wall and they're gonna we're gonna look at it and
be like, you remember that ship, You remember how crazy
that this.
Speaker 3: Is gonna be.
Speaker 4: This has to be AI generated, No way this is true,
but yeah, it's gonna be. You know, he'll be, He's bound.
I'll be right up there where Jonathan Tomos is. And
there's some incredible winter photos to choose from. Good luck
WSP picking the right photo, because you're picking a photo
to immortalize the moment. And if you look at these banners,
you know they're all they're all very similar. They're all
holding the bracelet, you know, above the money. You look
at Dan Wyman's where he's leaning on the money.
Speaker 1: I like the I like the like over the money,
which Grinder has one of those.
Speaker 4: I think that could be the I think that's the
photo they should use for Grinder to be I like.
Speaker 1: Those photos the best. I don't like the ones that
are like Johnson Scott Blumstein where you're just standing there
like holding the cards in the like, I like like like,
grab that fucking money. It's that's yours. Yeah, but that
is yours. Shit, grab it, like, let's go, grab it,
pick it up, bring it home.
Speaker 4: Singing to the Jamie gold one where that he was
leaning on the twelve million dollars, just like all of it,
like slackdown, Wyman.
Speaker 3: Those were Yeah, they're probably the best one in the sound.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right. Well part of Michael the Grinder and
Rocky winning the ten thousand dollars WSUP main event here
in twenty twenty five is he is the new number
one on the PGT leaderboard. You put him as the
new number one. You did the leaderboard calculations, you sorted them,
and you said, you looked at me and you said,
guess who's the new number one.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize he was.
Speaker 4: Okay, Look, we've made changes to the system because players
have like kind of mentioned, hey, the winner of the
main event stion and go to the top.
Speaker 3: I agreed, we made adjustments.
Speaker 4: But when you win the fifty k PPC and the
main event, it's pretty hard not to be a top
he is now the leader two hundred and fifty points.
I spoke to Jared but Lesnik I said, hey, by
the way, he's now in the championship. This is before today,
you know, when there was fall left. So by the way, Mazerah,
he's in the championship. You need to get him down.
The studio is that he's not going to come play
the anything I'm like, but he's qualified for the free role.
He needs one more cash because we need three cashs
to qualify, and he's said, oh okay, maybe I'll get
him down there for something. But now he's the top.
He's ahead of Alex foxhen by one hundred and eighteen points.
Obviously two cashes. We know Alex Fox and he's going
to be firing hard for the rest of the year.
He's got seventeen cash. He's going to catch up. Moving
down John Wasnock, he's seventh place one cash. You have
Braxton done Away in ninth, you have Kenny Hallard in fourteenth. However,
the biggest mover from the main event was without Dad
Adam Hendrix four cashes this PGT season. He's now sixth
place with fifteen hundred and three points guaranteed. I say
that guaranteed a seat in the PGT Million Dollar Championship.
Now it's more of a question of where does he
want to position himself on the leaderboard coming into the
million dollar free role. And for Grinder, what a chatter
this week about him not winning the Player of the Year, Right,
you know what player of the year title? He could
win the GGT Player of the Year and the fifty
K bonus he gets for winning that. So look if
Jared Blesnik or Chino, one of his close friends that
plays our events can convince Grinder. You know, we've got
a plow series coming up that's right up his alley.
We've got a bounty series coming up, We've got Pokemasters,
We've got all these events come down, get that cash,
make a run at you know, locking up your own
PGT Player of the Year award.
Speaker 1: At this rate, I just expect him to win PGG Player.
Speaker 3: Of the Year. He'll play one event win.
Speaker 1: That's the whole The whole thing is just absolutely positively crazy.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I do want to mention one thing, but we're not
going to really talk about it. I just want to
mention it, and that is that we have some breaking news.
Speaker 8: Is breaking News says that Asie Millions is returning.
Speaker 3: I know, I just remember.
Speaker 1: So we just got that. Well, we'll talk about it
a little bit more on a future pod. But you know,
somebody dropped it into a chat with me. It's made
it into our our little w s P chat. So
Ausie Millions returning, Stay tuned for more on that, Tim
and I will we'll digest this little if they'll have
us back at Crown. I am fucking in. Okay, I am,
I am in. If I can go, if I can
go to that food court, meet my guy who always
remembered me every single time. I always remembered me, always
always remembered me. I'll go there. I'll order my fruit bowl,
maybe my little kishe you know, double espresso maybe.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: What do I usually get to?
Speaker 2: Flat?
Speaker 1: Flat white? No long, not long black? I got a
long block all the time. Go to that little sushi
joint with has a little single rules. That place was
eleade to the whole, the whole I'm sending all right,
So we'll talk about that at the future date. Obviously
we want to have some more details come out, but
it sounds like Allsie Millions back. It's gonna be back, baby,
and yeah, you got anything else for me when the
main event?
Speaker 3: No, talk a little bit about some other events for us.
Speaker 1: Okay, because it is I forgot.
Speaker 4: It is the last day, but there is a plus
also just going on so the fans know.
Speaker 1: I think we'll do a podcast tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna done tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Ship all right, Well when can you do a podcast?
Speaker 3: I'm back on Tuesday. I think on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: That's way too long.
Speaker 3: You could do a solid.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do a solo just just to just because
there's there's a couple. I mean, they just moved the
spy and they're still about the twenty five k horse
happening the closer Super Turble, so there's still stuff happening. Yeah,
but on that quickly I am. I am pro having
other events run during the main event. I obviously think
that it's a smart decision revenue wise. Yeah. I also
like giving everyone that's here more stuff to play. But
I do think that the last day, the final card
Dell should be the final hand of the main event
and then we should be Finito Seal eight. Yeah, like
that's what I think should happen. So you know, I
this this stuff because I mean also like we all
kind of go home, like everyone's kind of like, all right,
it's done, but it's not done, so it's kind of tricky.
Speaker 4: So anyway, continue, Yeah, let's go real quick. We got
the twenty five K horse high Roller over there. That's
down to five players playing for eight hundred and eighty
three K. Toby lewis run rapping the toss event looking
for a little bit of vengeance here, Brian Rass, not
cha Rivera.
Speaker 1: Well, they only needed to switch the first game, yea.
Speaker 3: Ryan Miller.
Speaker 4: Brian Rass also has a bricelet going for a second
brcelet for the summer, the three K PLR. It was
won by dan Zach. That happened late last night. Yep,
dan Zach. Another bracelet that he defeated Zach Swartz, a
pgt PLO series winner. So dan Zach, congratulations. Another bracer
the fifteen hundred Closer. That's down to eighteen players playing
for six hundred and forty eight K. Donny will recap
that they just moved the table in here. This is
the five K no limit hold him and the number
one Pokego podcast fan David Odi B. Baker is the
chip leader going for his second bracelet of the summer
nine point four million.
Speaker 3: He's got a massive shoutout, massive mass.
Speaker 4: He does have a message over Paddy Lions world famous
Pat Lions. Who's in second, Brandon Wilson, Andreosopachenko, Sam Laskowitz
and Bryan Altman amongst the final I.
Speaker 1: Feel like we haven't seen Sam laskowitch much of him
the summer. Obviously has new baby, but you know, really
haven't seen him doing anything on the felt so good
for him to close the series strong.
Speaker 4: And Event one hundred, the final event of the World
Series nineteen hundred and thirty five players in the one
K turbo sound to one hundred and eleven players. That's
going to wrap up. They'll probably finish before all. He's
actually and shot for he's the current chip later first
prize is two hundred and thirty seven K. So obviously
a few more events happening. We have a Player of
the Year that needs to be confirmed. Although the front
Rono came and gave me the middle finger and said,
fuck you, I want to know that. I'm like, it
ain't finished it. Buddy grind is going to register the
one K. He's like, no, the Restrutians already closed, so
I'm just just kidding up beside. No dude, and I checked.
I was like, what do you mean you checked? So
we'll kind of touch a bit more on that, gentleman.
And if he, you know, being potentially a winning player of.
Speaker 1: The year, alrighty, well, that's going to do it for us.
Our final podcast from here inside the Horseshoe. It was
a pleasure to be bringing this to you every single
damn day, fifty one days in a row, I believe,
is what we ended up doing. We did video, we
achieved what we set out to do, met a lot
of good listeners. Oh yeah, wait, hold on, one more thing.
Your hats.
Speaker 4: The hats, the hat's we're wearing. Twenty five left. We
want you to email us. What's that email again?
Speaker 1: Podcast? Thank you dot com.
Speaker 4: The first twenty five people that send us an email
with their address, we will send you a hat. Unfortunately
US only, so if you're from Australia, bad luck. If
you're from Zimbabwe, bad luck. If you're from Poland, Poland,
bad luck. US only twenty five hats left. First twenty
five that email us, we'll get one of those. Will
probably take a week before we send them out. But yeah,
thank you for all the support this summer. It's been fun.
It's been fun meeting all of you, fun, giving on
hats and finding you out in the field, hearing your
stories about you know, the bad beats and the luck
of the hat and all that stuff. So we appreciate
every one of you, guys, and look forward to doing
this a.
Speaker 3: Bit more for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: We'll all move back to our more regular cadence of
once a week, you know, same channel, same podcast, catches
all that sort of stuff. But so don't expect the
daily stuff. Maybe we'll come a little bit more frequently,
which depending on what's happening in the poker world. But
you know, for right now, we're really gonna just try
and move back to once a week, talk about the news,
talk about the PGT, all of that sort of good stuff.
Anything else for me, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Got one more thing. You guys can see the set right,
beautiful set. God, But we're throwing it out. We'll not
the expensive stuff like the LED I would hope not
the LED panels. We're keeping some of this other stuff.
It's a little junkie and I've been given I've been
given clearance, been given clearance.
Speaker 3: To hit something.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, we're gonna end the world series with
a bang, literally a bang, literally a bang. So I've
been giving the okay, there's a TV over there that's
going the dumpster at seven years old.
Speaker 3: Jesus, We're gonna put this sledge. First of all, they
said this is a sedge hammer. I was expecting twenty
seven hammer. Yeah, it's a hammer.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna go put a little hole on a
TV to end this podcast on a bang. He's gonna
bring the camera. I'm gonna put these meta glasses on
from a photographer. See if I can record.
Speaker 3: Sometime the scenes things. We'll see how this because I
can record video on this. All right, this is how
we are gonna end the podcast. Thanks for all listening, guys,
And let's close this seem duckworth.
Speaker 1: I'm Johnny Peters, and I guess you're gonna go smash something.
I think, so let's let's stop.
Speaker 9: Okay, Retnight, Chenny Express, Retnit, Chenny Express. Okay