WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:02.240 Rob. Have you watched purs No? 2 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:03.839 Have you watched Death by Lightning? 3 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:05.679 No? I haven't seen any of the stuff. I don't 4 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:06.960 know what anybody, I don't know when you have to. 5 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:08.560 Watch the nice and Creed? 6 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:40.920 Well, yes, go ahead, make my day. 7 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:48.000 Well, we're approaching Thanksgiving, which means it's time for a 8 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:52.640 pre winter post fall glop culture. I am John pud 9 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:56.520 Worretz in New York with Rob Long eating his lunch. 10 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:58.439 I believe in Princeton, New Jersey. 11 00:00:58.560 --> 00:00:59.200 I am doing that. 12 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:01.039 How are you, Rob? 13 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:04.959 I'm fine, that's good. 14 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:06.640 What what are you eating? Just so we can, just 15 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:07.840 so we can get this out of the way. 16 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:12.439 Little Japanese shrimp, shrimp noodles with the shrimp. 17 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:16.280 So there're shrimp noodles with shrimp. Yeah, you have to 18 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:17.959 specialis shrimp Oyeah? 19 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:18.760 Okay? 20 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:21.920 And in Washington. Jonah Goldberg, Hi, Jonah. 21 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:25.879 Hey, John, We should we should, we should let listeners 22 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:29.200 know that I chastised I preemptively chastised Rob to say, 23 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:31.079 if you're going to eat your lunch on the podcast, 24 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:32.799 which he says he'll do, because we're going to talk 25 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:35.560 about shows that he doesn't he hasn't seen that he 26 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:37.359 should at least put himself on mute so he doesn't 27 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:40.359 make a smacking sound and guess that's one of those 28 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:42.439 things that drives me crazy. And then he got really 29 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:44.799 annoyed with you for like having a conversation with him. 30 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:48.239 He had to keep unmuting and and stop chewing to 31 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:48.640 talk to you. 32 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:50.560 So so the point you're trying to make is there's 33 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:53.840 a lot of tension. We're beginning the show in an 34 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.040 atmosphere of high tension. Who knows what's going to happen. 35 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:02.439 Explosive emotions could like in a family play about Thanksgiving, 36 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:06.280 just come up to the surface, secrets revealed, uh, you know, 37 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:09.919 truths there that are never bared before. 38 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:12.719 And then there'll be a silent moment on stage and 39 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:16.080 you John will go just to the window and pull 40 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:20.080 your sweater closer to around you, and you'll say it's 41 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:26.280 getting colder out now, and soon the Canada Canada geese 42 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:27.159 will will leave. 43 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:34.599 Okay, while we were terrified of the episcopalian Savonarola's rage, 44 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:36.680 yes yes. 45 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:41.560 He is he this is a very interesting I'm gonna 46 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:44.319 I'm gonna mention this once and then move on from 47 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:48.280 Tucker Carlson. But I note I wanted to ask Rob 48 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:51.800 as a as as somebody who was seeking to become 49 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:56.960 an Episcopalian minister. Yes, uh, Tucker Carlson has referred to 50 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:02.960 Christian Zionism as a heresy and has is talking virus demonology, 51 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:06.400 a brain virus and all of that. And Tucker I 52 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:13.120 believe is as in his in his upbringing and his schooling, 53 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:18.360 as mainstream Episcopalian as you can possibly get. That he 54 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.360 went to Saint Paul's boarding school, that his wife, Susie, 55 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.280 he married, the daughter of the headmaster of Saint Paul's 56 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:29.199 boarding school which he attended, and so would would the 57 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:34.280 idea what is the notion of heresy? As he lays 58 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:40.280 it out, is this Episcopalian doctrine? This sounds more like 59 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:43.639 medieval Catholic doctrine to me that there are you. 60 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:45.520 Know, well, I mean I don't I don't know. 61 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.240 It certainly is a doctrine, and I don't think it's well, 62 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.719 there's an incredibly delicious irony that the person who studied 63 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:57.960 at Saint Paul's named after Paul, who in many ways 64 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:04.039 of the architect of the Christian Faith, hasn't really read Paul, 65 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:09.240 I guess or understood it fully because the term zion 66 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.000 Of course, there's no Zionism in the New Testament of 67 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:17.639 Zionism before you know, the nineteenth century. But Paul has 68 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:22.959 wrote obliquely and directly and bafflingly and clearly in all 69 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:27.319 different ways about this topic. And my guess is that 70 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:30.720 Paul would be uh, were he alive today, would probably 71 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:36.360 be living in Jerusalem, happily, good Jewish boy, he would be. 72 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.079 He's he's he's a say, the patron saint of Jews 73 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:42.600 for Jesus. So I'm pretty sure. I don't know if 74 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.879 he is that for real, but he should be. The 75 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.879 it's just a complete misreading, which is like, look, there's 76 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:49.879 a whole lot of misreading. I mean, that's what the 77 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:52.319 Bible is, one giant way to misread it. 78 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:56.399 Well, you know, look look all of Judaism, all of 79 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:01.800 post biblical Judaism is uh, people arguing over whether they're 80 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:07.160 misreading the Bible. That's the tomos well, our disputations about 81 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:07.959 how to read the Bible. 82 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:09.680 So and they probably are. 83 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.600 That's the other thing is they probably no matter what 84 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:13.959 you're saying, you're probably not quite right right. 85 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:17.199 I'm just I just think the language that he is 86 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:23.120 adopting in his quest to revive not only the spirit 87 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:26.279 of to take the spirit of Martin Luther, the spirit 88 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:29.920 Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the spirit of Himmler, 89 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:32.879 and the spirit of Gerbels and put them all together 90 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:37.800 and like have a celebrity podcast with problem as a 91 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:44.720 panel involves things that don't necessarily comport with his religious 92 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:46.959 background and training, isn't. 93 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:55.399 Yeah for a former star of dancing Mitch the Stars. Yeah, okay, 94 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:57.879 we can drop the demon stuff I find fascinating though. 95 00:05:57.879 --> 00:05:58.879 I mean, we could go with demons. 96 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:01.399 I mean mean the attack of the demon. 97 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:02.759 The attack of the demons. I mean, is it clear 98 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.439 was a demon? I mean, well the demon won? You see, 99 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.879 that's the thing he was. He was attacked by a demon, 100 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.879 and the demon apparently possessed his body and his mind 101 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.399 in his spirit, and he is now practicing. 102 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:16.319 Evil as the demon would wish to. So I accept 103 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:19.560 the idea that he I just think the demon, the 104 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:22.680 demon won. That's that's that's that's where I am. 105 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:25.639 So that's the reason why I don't believe the story, 106 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:27.079 is I mean, there are many reasons why I don't 107 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:29.920 believe the story, but but part of it. 108 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.399 You're you're the person who wrote a book. You're the 109 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:35.600 person who wrote a book that begins with the sentence 110 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:37.079 there is no God in this book. 111 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.079 But at the end, it's sort of like Grover the 112 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:41.680 Monster at the end of this book, God sneaks in 113 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:45.600 at the end of but I I just want to say, like, 114 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:51.160 like Tucker, in his own accounting of this, sleeping with 115 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:54.879 four or five dogs in his bed, wakes up in 116 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:57.680 the morning with a scratch on his arm, and he's like, 117 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:03.160 must have been demons, And like the idea that Beelzebub 118 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:07.600 or Mephistopheles or whatever we're talking about here crossed the 119 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:13.399 stingy and the sticking inter dimensional. You know, Barrier made 120 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.360 it all the way to Tucker's house and contented himself 121 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:20.720 with just scratching Tucker's arm and then going home. Doesn't 122 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:22.839 really make a heck of a lot of sense to me. 123 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:26.959 I mean, like, why make why schlep so to speak 124 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.439 all that way if if all you're going to do 125 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.120 is scratch Tucker's arm And he then says, it's like 126 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.839 his only witnesses to this are his dogs. Obviously, It's 127 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:37.040 like all those memes where the dog says who could 128 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:40.480 have done this as he's standing around the flower pot right. 129 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:48.519 Like I didn't do this package of cookies. Let's let's 130 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:52.399 let's us investigate immediately. Yeah, the dog did nothing wrong. 131 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:53.079 It was demon. 132 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:58.800 Also, even a demon with a man lying in a 133 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:03.839 bed with five adorable dogs would go aw. Yeah, I 134 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.439 should probably go to some other house and try to 135 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:11.079 possess somebody else because those dogs are so cute. Come on, 136 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:14.800 all right? So moving on from moving on from Tucker Carlson, 137 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:20.040 Jonah did something interesting. He went on X and asked 138 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:24.560 people what we should discuss on today's show, and I 139 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:27.360 thought maybe we would use this as our template for 140 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:30.920 discussing things on today's show. So there are two shows 141 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.639 I would say, in the course of the many responses 142 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:36.519 here that we have been asked the streaming shows that 143 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:40.960 we've been asked to discuss. One of them is Pluribus 144 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:43.360 on Apple TV, the new show by Vince Gilligan who 145 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:47.039 made Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. And the other 146 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:49.480 is Death by Lightning on Netflix, which is the four 147 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:55.799 part show about James Garfield and his assassin, Charles Guiteau. 148 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:59.200 So I have seen both. I think Tucker at Tucker Jesus, 149 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:06.320 that's terrible. I apologize, Jonah. Wow, well, at least at 150 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:08.639 least Jonah. I'm not responsible for your career. Who I'm 151 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:12.240 responsible for, Tucker, so I do you can blame me 152 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:15.039 for for that. But you have not seen Death by Lightning. 153 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.080 I believe I watched the first two episodes last week. 154 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:21.240 You did, okay, good, So yeah, preparation for this, okay, 155 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:23.639 and I've watched all I believe there are only three 156 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:25.039 episodes of Pluribis. 157 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:26.600 Of Pluribus, yes, should. 158 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:29.000 We take two seconds and just talk about spoilers? So like, 159 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:31.200 uh yeah, I don't think we need to warn too 160 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.080 many people that James Garfield was shot and killed. So like, 161 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.480 sorry to ruin that for you. But if you haven't 162 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:43.200 watched Pluribis, and you you know, I don't know, we 163 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:45.320 don't the fast forward a minute here and yeah, so I. 164 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.639 Think basically, we'll we'll, we'll, we'll take a couple of 165 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:52.960 minutes and then uh yeah, so skip skip for about 166 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:55.200 ten minutes and then we'll and then we'll we'll, we'll 167 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:59.840 we'll move on because pluribus is is no I think 168 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.639 the situation with Pluribus, which is kind of a remarkable show, 169 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.000 although I'm already worried that it's starting to spin its 170 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:12.159 wheels a little bit. Pluribus is a puzzle box show 171 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:17.960 about basically the last woman on Earth that there is 172 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:19.240 an event. 173 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.480 Well, it's more like what if invasion of the Body Snatchers? 174 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:27.200 What if the aliens? What if the pod people were nice? Nice? Right? 175 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:29.919 Yes, and the pod people are nice, and the one 176 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:33.919 person who remains human or there are eleven people on 177 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:36.600 Earth who remain human, but the one person remains human 178 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:47.240 is rotten Lousey is like an unpleasant, bitter, depressed, sour puss. 179 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:50.279 A bit of an angry lesbian, right, I mean it's. 180 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:53.000 Not a bit of an I mean an angry lesbian. Ay, 181 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:56.679 really entirely not a very unhanged. 182 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.159 I hate to come in, but I realized this is 183 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:04.720 not my segment here. But your interpretation of Body Snatchers 184 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:08.840 is that the invaders are evil, Well. 185 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:12.360 Unless they are, they are zomb they're sort of soulless zombies. 186 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:14.840 Basically, we wake up in a world with no pain 187 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:17.000 and no hunger and no yeah. 188 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:21.840 Yeah, that's letter speech, and in good. 189 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:25.360 Speech, in the good speech right in the second Body Snatchers, right, 190 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:29.159 first one communists obviously, they're all, yeah, it's communism. And 191 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.240 the second one is kind of like I heard the 192 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:34.039 second New Age. I prefer the second one too, but 193 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:37.600 it's basically like letter Letter Nimoy, who becomes the spokesman 194 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.759 of the of the Body Snatcher, says, you know you must, 195 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:46.279 you must, you must rid yourself of old concepts of 196 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.399 being and join us in our New Age, written county. 197 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.200 Yeah, conscious, sounds great, we're all going to move to Well. 198 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:57.879 Then you'll really like pluribus because pluribus is they're all 199 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:02.679 really nice. They all know everybody is, everybody has everybody 200 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:06.440 else's memories, and everybody has everybody else's talents and abilities. 201 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:10.759 Anybody can do anything, everybody knows everything. There's no crime, 202 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.039 so they don't need to have the lights on at 203 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.159 night in a city. They can turn all the lights 204 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.360 out because there's no reason to have lights on because 205 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:18.399 everybody is safe. 206 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:20.840 And then there is this one. 207 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:24.360 Yeah, is there just one person just going crazy just 208 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.840 like raping everything similated? 209 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:30.720 Oh not only Yeah, go ahead. 210 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.000 So I think you're just mischaracterizing a little bit because 211 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:34.679 at least so far, and again these are spoilers, so 212 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:39.600 sorry people, but they're like eleven or fourteen people left 213 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:44.360 on planet Earth. And what makes her unique is not 214 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:49.559 that she's the last person with personal agency. It's like 215 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:51.960 she's the only one who has a problem with the 216 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:55.600 rise of the pod people. All the other people are like, well, 217 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:57.919 this is kind of like there's one guy who's just 218 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:01.600 getting laid and having fun and or ding lobster, and 219 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:04.320 there are other people who are so like, what's so 220 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:07.879 bad about this? You know? And she is like the 221 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.840 American And so I texted with you about this. Yeah, 222 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:15.440 my super hardcore, crazy right wing take on this, which 223 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.360 is that it is remarkable so far, who knows where 224 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.159 turns it's going to take. So far, she's the only 225 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.440 white person, the only American who is immune to the 226 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:30.000 brain virus, and she's also the only one with a 227 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:34.559 problem with it. All of the people from the brown 228 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:38.279 and black people, all the people from sort of developing countries, 229 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:43.120 the global South, whatever, they're all into it. And I 230 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:45.879 think it is like the ultimate kind of sci fi 231 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:48.159 American exceptionalism kind of point. 232 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:51.000 Well, there's one person that we haven't met yet, right 233 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.120 according to according to the scheme of the show, there 234 00:13:54.200 --> 00:14:00.840 is one person who is in Paraguay. Who is just 235 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.440 if you call him on the phone and say hi, 236 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.360 He's like, leave me alone, leave me in peace. You put. 237 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:13.320 I was gonna say he's the John Yes, so this 238 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.279 is so we both agree he is not the Jonah Goldberg. Yeah, 239 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.840 so this show just just to clarify, this is a 240 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:22.759 world in which the aliens have come in, and the 241 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:24.399 aliens are practicing. 242 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.919 The the philosophy of. 243 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:35.360 And and you are detecting, Jonah, that this the secret 244 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.879 of this the DNA, and the show is bad. 245 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:43.120 Well so far. Interesting. 246 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.799 The theaters of the show is that is that the 247 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:53.120 first communication that we receive from outer space, it turns out, 248 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:58.240 is a virus that invades O our RNA in some 249 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.720 fashion and and turns us all turns human beings into 250 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:05.200 a collective consciousness. 251 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:06.879 Yeah, well we know they try to do so. 252 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:10.919 They're not they're not being possessed by it. They're still themselves, 253 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.960 but they have no individuality left. I guess everybody is 254 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:14.559 everybody else. 255 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:18.320 They took they took the vaccine. Well that's the. 256 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:21.360 Point, isn't it. That's part of where I am in 257 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.480 agreement with Jonah that this is a very very right 258 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:25.320 wing coded show. 259 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.639 I have never said I have never said these words 260 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:29.120 on this show. 261 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:32.279 Before I'm about to say them. I got to see 262 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:33.039 that show. 263 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:44.200 Rare Seahorn. People think she's giving a fantastic performance. I 264 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:46.559 think she is in the sense that I find her 265 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:49.240 character so off putting, which I think is what she's 266 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:51.159 supposed to be. That she is doing a brilliant job 267 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:54.759 of making somebody an attractive and off putting and therefore 268 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:57.600 I don't know if she's doing a great job, but 269 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.480 I think where it is coded in all kinds of ways. 270 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:04.559 So it has that question. The ornery American who will 271 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:08.559 not be subsumed? Right, That's it's like, what are you 272 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:14.480 talking about? I'm gonna we're all disappearing here. Why aren't 273 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:21.080 you upset? That's number one? Number two? Is she is? 274 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:25.519 Is this a show about AI? Is this you? Now? 275 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:27.840 We're all human beings. We're all living in a world 276 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:33.440 in which everything can be done for us. There's no 277 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:35.840 reason to be, no reason to work, There'll be no 278 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:41.519 reason to have fights, to have nothing, because because the 279 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:45.279 way the world is now situated, all this stuff is 280 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.559 going to be done. Everyone's going to do stuff for 281 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:52.480 each other, and so we can just all sit around together. 282 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:57.120 Is this the end of humanity? Not because we're being 283 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:00.440 attacked and destroyed, but because we're just going to get 284 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:06.079 everything we ever wanted and at the price of our individuality, 285 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:10.799 our drive, our get our our you know, get up 286 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:14.039 and go. And I think all of that is really interesting, 287 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.559 but it's all speculative now because the first three episodes 288 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:20.440 have simply been a way of laying out the stakes 289 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:22.720 and the groundwork, and now it's really got a. 290 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:27.279 Still landing a lot. Yeah, although Vince Gilligan, like the thing, 291 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:29.200 you got to give him credit for Better Call Saul 292 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:33.119 and Breaking Bad. He had a multi seasonal vision about 293 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:35.880 where he was going with things. That's probably my own. 294 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:37.680 And we can get off of this because we're probably 295 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:39.519 pissing off people who are in the waiting room who 296 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:43.839 want to avoid the spoilers. But my biggest complaint about 297 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:44.920 it so far, I mean, I agree with you with 298 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.319 her characters are ill annoying, but I like her so 299 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:53.039 much where I think they kind of I would have 300 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:54.880 loved to see him and take the events of the 301 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:58.440 first episode and make that the entire first season, because 302 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:02.960 there could have been this incredibly dramatic reveal at the 303 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.160 end that of like you think it's going to be 304 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:09.039 this horrible alien takeover and then it turns out everybody's 305 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:11.240 nice and is bringing you lunch, and like that would 306 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.400 have been a great season finale rather than a first 307 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:15.960 episode finale. But yeah, see it is the way. 308 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:19.200 It reminds me that part of the thing in streaming 309 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:22.079 is that and you hear people say this who work 310 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:25.279 in streaming and are creating for streaming, is they have 311 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:28.920 a huge problem, which is, like, you know, the barrier 312 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:32.720 to entry is unbelievably low. So you turn on a 313 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:35.920 show and if you don't get people in the first 314 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:37.720 ten minutes, they're going to turn it off and they'll 315 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:39.799 never watch it again. What do you do to get 316 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:43.880 them to watch the show? It's a real problem. And 317 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:46.160 one of the things they do is that they mix 318 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.559 up timelines and they start things in the middle, and 319 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:50.559 then they go backwards and they go forwards. All of 320 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:53.240 this seems to be a way of trying to keep 321 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:58.960 people engaged and slightly off on the back foot so 322 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:01.839 that they don't quite know what is happening next. 323 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.920 Yeah, I mean I have a I take a slightly 324 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.160 different view of this stuff for the streamers. That and 325 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.400 I think the streamers are discovering this, by the way, 326 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:13.359 is that the harder you make it the story to 327 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:17.200 get into, and the more you promise that these secrets 328 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:21.200 are going to be unrolled and unfolded, the harder it 329 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:25.279 is for people to jump in. That. The the problem 330 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:28.519 with streaming is that not that it's too easy, it's 331 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:32.039 it's too hard, and so everything just takes this immense 332 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:35.759 amount of choice, and and they don't make it easy 333 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:37.839 for you, and they try to like, well, no, stick around. 334 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.319 Episode three, some of this stuff will be revealed, and 335 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:42.799 then episode five something is going to happen. And then 336 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:45.720 and then people say in a lot of ways, they say, 337 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:48.599 you know, that first episode that first season should have 338 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.759 been the first episode, and I think they're this, look, 339 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:54.000 you know, they're starting to. 340 00:19:54.119 --> 00:20:01.079 They're I'm explaining that. I think what they know, what 341 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:04.720 they have learned down to their marrow, is you have 342 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:07.519 to make the big reveal early. 343 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:09.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, Okay, that's a desert. 344 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:12.319 First show into the explanation of the big reveal. Yes 345 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.920 that is otherwise it's lost. And yes, there's a point 346 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:16.359 in which. 347 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:20.039 Everyone I call that the Rob Long rule because I've 348 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:23.440 been screaming about that for fifteen years. I call dessert first, 349 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:25.640 because the truth is, what people do. It's a it's 350 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:28.200 a it's a psychological problem that people who do TV 351 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:31.319 shows and people who are executive TV shows and streamers, 352 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:33.880 they just assume that the first you could hear when 353 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:35.839 they talk, they say, Okay, so here's what we're gonna 354 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:37.440 do with our audience. But blah blah blah blah blah 355 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.160 blah blah. And the problem is that you don't have 356 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:39.680 an audience. 357 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:42.240 Yet. You don't have one. Your audience is. 358 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:44.240 Zero, and so it is in a question of like 359 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:45.960 what am I going to do with the twenty million 360 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:47.920 people who tune in? It's this is not Laverne and 361 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:50.400 Shirley when you're gonna get twenty million people to tune in, 362 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.640 because twenty three million people tuned in for Happy Days. 363 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:55.559 This is something different, and you do not have an audience, 364 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:58.359 and you must constantly be giving them something really interesting 365 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:03.400 and not baffling, and not opaque and not confusing and 366 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:04.240 not arrogant. 367 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:08.160 You must give them dessert first. They demand dessert first. 368 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.720 Right, So this is dessert. So this, this show in 369 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:15.759 that sense, is here's what happens. The first episode is 370 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.799 the world changes, and we watch the world change, and 371 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:22.039 at the end of the first episode the world has changed. 372 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:25.519 As I say, my fear is after after three episodes 373 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:28.440 and we're only like a week I think. I think 374 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:32.279 basically according to the countdown, it's like four days have 375 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:36.880 transpired over the course of these three episodes. Now the 376 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:37.680 plot has. 377 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:38.160 To kick in. 378 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:41.519 Now what is she going to do to save humanity 379 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:43.400 or what are they going to do to try to 380 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:47.599 stop her from saving humanity? Or you know, who else 381 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:52.359 is who else is involved? Or what's the overall scheme. 382 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:55.599 That's that's what we go to from here. So it's 383 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:58.039 really really, really interesting. 384 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:00.680 I could be wrong. I mean I probably am wrong 385 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:02.039 because I don't know why you would do this, but 386 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:03.680 I thought it was interesting where it turns out that 387 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:08.079 they will not kill anything, so like this guy orders 388 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:09.720 lobster and they say, well, we couldn't find any in 389 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:13.839 the area and we won't kill anything, so if it's 390 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:17.079 not in existing stores, we're not gonna get it for you. 391 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:23.519 If that extends to plant life, like they won't harvest crops, 392 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:26.519 how then they have a whole party storyline about it. 393 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:28.839 How Yeah, they have to feed themselves, you know, would 394 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:29.759 be kind of interesting. 395 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:32.759 Well, the other problem with the show, and this is 396 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:37.279 always true of post apocalyptic shows, right, which is showing 397 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:43.839 what's happened is almost impossible, by which I mean we 398 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.839 are told at some point in the second episode that 399 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:54.519 eight hundred million people have died. Sorry, my dog is 400 00:22:54.559 --> 00:23:01.519 going crazy, a dog demon. Eight hundred million people have 401 00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:06.400