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Speaker 1: Since twenty sixteen, we've had this great opportunity to share

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conversations with those that have been featured on NBC's The Voice.

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But where can we get them all in one place?

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Very easy? Ero dot net a r r oe dot net.

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It's under that voice. Enjoy the exploration. Nikki. I'm so

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fascinated with this because you actually took a step back

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into your hometown to go into a storyline that's been

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hanging around. It's almost like it's been waiting for you

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to come back and do some digging.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't know about that, but when you

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kind of look back over my life, it definitely does

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feel that way. I feel like I was perfectly crafted

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to be able to tell this story from a way

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that was really authentic, that honored the people who needed

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to be honored while telling it.

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Speaker 1: There is so much going on inside this story that

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I just want listeners to understand that you're going to

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experience something and then you're going to turn around at

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your own city and look at your city and go,

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oh my god, Nikki's onto something here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 2: You know, at first, when you hear the story, it's

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like it can't possibly be exactly you feel like, you know,

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there's got to be rumors, you know, let me just

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do some digging just so I personally could sleep at night.

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And it took a while before I was able to

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sleep at night. Let's just say I.

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Speaker 1: Know what research is like, because once we lock in

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as creative people and as journalists, we can't let it

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go so easily. Sure, midnight comes all too fast, but

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man that the imagination will work all night. Did you

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experience the same thing?

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 2: When I first decided to tell the story in a

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way that really highlighted the damage that it was having

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on black women within the community, I had to kind

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of really go into the CD under belly, and a

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lot of that was police reports and autopsy reports, and

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you know, I had to read through them, digest them,

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really get an understanding of what I was looking at

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and all of the correlation between all the different facts.

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And I am not a person who has nightmares. I

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haven't had nightmares since I was a child. And there

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were many a nights where I was waking up in

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cold sweats, crying because all of the research had embedded

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into my psyche.

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Speaker 3: And it took a long while before those stopped.

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Speaker 1: So when you go in there to look at all

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of those records and the research that they put into

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it before you got there, how do you keep interpretation

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out of it? In other words, it's like it's I mean,

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it's right there in front of you, but they put

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it in a language that it almost feels like only

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they know that word.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it almost feels like it's by design, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When I went into it at first, you know, a

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lot of it was foreign and we had to really

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rely on partners. I mean, I'm grateful for the network

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that I've built through the years, as well as my

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counterpart could be your heart. Right away, we had some

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legal minds around. We had people who had been in

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this work and had seen these things before, so they

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were able to really kind of help guide what we

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were kind of seeing. But when I was going into it,

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I wanted to be proven wrong. I mean, I wasn't

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looking into this research hoping to be proven right. I

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was really really hoping that we had gotten this all

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completely wrong and that these terrible things weren't allowed to

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happen in our city for decades.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, that's not with the research.

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Speaker 1: Did the city turn a blind eye in other words,

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did they sit there and think, God, she's not going

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to dig up anything. Nah, she's not going to do it,

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and then all of a sudden, here you come, Nikki.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was it was necessary that

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they didn't think that I would. I think they thought, unfortunately,

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maybe people wouldn't care.

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Speaker 3: There was a level of complacency.

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Speaker 2: I mean all throughout this story, there were many a

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times where people had tried to say something or try

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to report this detective or let the ug know what

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they thought was going on, and everybody just kind of

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shrug their shoulders. And when you understand the environment the

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community in which this was happening to, that shrug the

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shoulders mentality happens with everything across the board. I mean,

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it is a neglected, disenfranchised community that oftentimes the greater

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city does not listen to. And so I think they

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just didn't realize that times had changed and that people

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were now starting to listen to these stories.

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Speaker 1: See, this is every bit the reason why these city

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councils and police forces need to really take a look

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at who's doing the podcasting, because you're not armchair quarterbacks.

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When it comes to the department of being a detective.

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You guys are physically getting your hands dirty and getting

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authentic information that can be used to help free people

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from this torture that they've mentally been through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, grassroots is really where you're going to

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have the most impact of change, and that is because

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we're so close to the problem. Do you really believe

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in direct action organizing? When I say we, I mean

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our organization that was birthed out of the story, which

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is Justice for Windeye.

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Speaker 3: And the reason why we go for direct action organizing.

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Speaker 2: Is because we believe that the people who are most

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impacted by the story should be at the forefront of

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the change, at the forefront of telling that story.

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Speaker 3: Because we're in it.

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Speaker 2: When you get into the bureaucracy of local government and

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policing and all of those things, you get so detached

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from the actual human impact. It just becomes a job.

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really realize that these are lives that have to grow

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and try to thrive in the community that is really trying.

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Speaker 3: To kill them.

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Speaker 1: You know, you talked about human impact and the very

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second that you introduce us to to defective or detective

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Roger It's one of those moments where you go, she's

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now identified a source, and every time that I hear

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this information, it's going to be that place where I go,

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this is not a happy zone, but she's going to

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find it for us where we can find out answers.

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But why does every town have to have a crooked cop?

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And it's like, my god, here we go, mister Roger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the system is really created to kind of be

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a safe haven for bad actors. Right, Not every cop

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is a bad cop, right, but when you have a

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system that glorifies and romanticize the job like we do

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with cops, I mean we.

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Speaker 3: See it on our TV shows. I mean this is

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a true.

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Speaker 2: Prime podcast with just birth out of cop dramas, right,

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and they become like these heroes that can do no wrong.

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you can have these bad actors who really want to

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be able to abuse that romanticization of their job so

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they can do nefarious things. And at first, I'm sure

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it probably starts off small, you know, utilizing your power,

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we're in your authority this way and finding out that

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nobody really cares, and then you just kind of continue

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to push the envelope. And that's exactly what I noticed

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Roger Glubski had done. He would try it in small

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ways with a number of people, and then would push

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the envelope when he could feel like he could get further.

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Speaker 3: And the cloak.

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Speaker 2: Of that blue line of silence and you know, we

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love our boys and blue, he was able to hide

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up under that for decades.

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Speaker 1: The podcast we're talking about is The Good Friends Untouchable.

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One of the things that I have really become, I'll

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admit it addicted to, is that I depend on podcasts

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like yours to be my news. It's not always about

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what is the latest action that's going on on CNN.

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It's about going to a podcast like this and learning

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about the community of Kansas City, learning about the people,

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learning about the history. And I need this and this

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is my source of news information.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I believe that's the case for a lot of people,

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especially as what we see as news has transformed so

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much in the last twenty years, but also as we're

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starting to see news in general being defunded and being

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controlled at higher levels. Sometimes you feel like the most

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authentic stories you're going to get is from the ground,

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from the actual people who are living in it rather

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than people who are trying to tell it for them.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Nicki Richardson coming

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up next, the name of the podcast The Good Friends Untouchable.

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We're checking back in with Nicki Richardson. Boy, Nico Quinn

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is put in a situation that you and I and

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everybody else have talked about. I hope we never have

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to see this, but Nico Quinn had to see the murder,

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and it's like we all talk about it, Oh, what if,

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what if? What if? Well, her what if became reality.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that you for me and you.

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Speaker 2: You know, we understand kind of the time frame that

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that was thirty years ago, but if you talk to Nico,

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it's like it happened just a couple of days ago.

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It is still something that keeps her up at night.

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She remembers the site of her cousin's open face. After

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you know, a gunshot hit just went through it. That's

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never going to leave you. We are connected with a

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lot of members of her family. We did a visual

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for a number of the unsolved homicides that we have

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then covered while doing this research, and really was able

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to stand with the grieving family is that were reliving

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that moment right there on that block, and it's just

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a really traumatic experience. And I drove by that street often.

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Speaker 1: How many walls did Nico hit in trying to find

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you know, their own information, because I mean, you came

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in there. You have the skills and the talent to

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be able to knock down different things. But the thing is, though,

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is that you had to have a physical team in

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order to start getting some answers here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she had to hit an infinite amount

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of ceilings. I mean you're already going up against a

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system that feels like the job is done. You know,

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once mont got arrested, there was no need to go

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Speaker 3: And so she was trying to let people know that

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they got it wrong.

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Speaker 2: That had no intention of admitting that they had done

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anything wrong. There was no technology backs in. This was

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not in the era of social media and internet. You know,

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I was able to do a lot of my research

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from my laptop. That was not something that Nico had

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the opportunity of doing. And then the times were just different.

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Speaker 3: Crime Bill and.

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Speaker 2: You know, super Predators is being labels for the youth

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at that time, there was just not a lot of

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space given to her. So yes, you know, me and

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our team, we definitely were able to pick up on

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Nego's work, but it was really just the times that

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we were in that was able to allow us to

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Speaker 1: See, this is every bit the reason why I said

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in the beginning that you've been called to do this,

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because I mean, it's been sitting here very patiently, and

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people need to understand this. This is nothing new to

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you that you've actually created a justice foundation, and listeners

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need to understand this is not just somebody that's sitting

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in a podcast studio or you know, at a at

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a broadcasting school try to do a podcast. You you

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take this very seriously, Oh for sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean I have, I have put the.

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Speaker 2: City on my shoulders and I don't know how else

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to say it. And I don't even know how else

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to respond to the information that I received when I

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realized all the different entities in which the story touched

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and how it really crippled you know, a neighborhood that

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I feel like is my home. I had to feel

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like I needed to step up and be a part

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of the solution. The fight is definitely not over and

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we have a lot of work to do, and that's

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why we wanted to build the organization, not just to

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repair but what is done in the past, but make

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sure this type of crap never happens again.

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Speaker 1: Your sound bites are so spot on. Is it connected

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people can't let this easily go. It's not going to

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go into a little cavern and it was once upon

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a time this happened. It's just it's still very visible

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in people's lives.

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Speaker 3: Yes, for sure. I mean.

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Speaker 2: Groupski comes up. I mean in almost like every community conversation.

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Speaker 3: That I have, and we never we never got to

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see our justice.

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Speaker 2: It was very much interrupted and impeded in another traumatic way.

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And so our community is still trying to figure out

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exactly what does justice look like for us now and

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how do we repair these damages and move forward?

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Speaker 1: Does it Nico kind of put each and every one

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of us in a position of who would we call

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when the unthinkable happens, because many people would freeze on

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the spot and not know where to turn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and even more so now.

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Speaker 2: You know, at first we knew who to call at

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the very beginning of doing this work. When I say we,

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I mean me and Kdesion, our team of researchers. We

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could go to the FBI. I mean yes, we can't

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go to our local police because they're very much involved.

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We can't trust our local government because they pay for

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the police. So we have to go outside. And that's

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when you really go to the FBI, to the DOJ. Well,

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now we're in a new era to where we're hearing

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from those counterparts that they can't work on this case anymore.

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And so we're asking that question again, Well, now what

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do we do when we can't go to the DOJ

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and the FBI. And that's why we have to really

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solidify ourselves as a justice organization here online dot County,

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because who else can you go to if there's not

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forces that is holding people accountable and making sure that

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information is being transparent for the community at large.

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Speaker 1: Not only transparent, but it's got to be authentic. It

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can't be this dang news by kind of a thing

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where you know where it's click bait and then we

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have well I have to believe it. It was on the

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internet not so true, because when you've got somebody like

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LaMonte McIntyre involved here, you better get your story straight

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for sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Lamon Is is such an amazing

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storyteller of his in his own right, but he doesn't

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have to be a storyteller because he's lived it.

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Speaker 3: He's just literally telling you his lived experience.

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Speaker 2: And when you recognize that he was he was put

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in jel for twenty three years, he was seventeen years old,

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he was seventeen years old when he was arrested. His

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life was completely taken away from him. And to be

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able to see him and stand in front of him,

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you can't.

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Speaker 3: You can't deny it. And so it really the women

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definitely need to be uplifted.

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Speaker 2: But if it wasn't for Lamont fighting for his own justice,

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he himself didn't even know what he was unfolding. He

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himself didn't know all of the inner outs that what

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happened to his mother happened to a number of other women.

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He was just trying to get free and to have

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somebody just that genuinely just trying to tell their story

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for no other reason than their own self preservation.

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Speaker 3: It's really kind of hard to deny.

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Speaker 1: You just said something that was so interesting that it

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took my imagination in a completely different direction when you

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were talking about Lamont and you said his life was

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taken away from him. But the thing is what I

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heard was his laugh is taken away from him. To me,

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that's the universe speaking saying, you know, when something like

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this happens to Kansas City or other community, the laugh

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is gone. So therefore lives change. So we need people

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like you to step in there to go, all right,

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where can we rebuild this? Because if it's not rebuilt

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one hundred years from now, this city is still going

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to be in pain.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we were really talking with our elected

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officials right now about what exactly that's supposed to look like. Yep,

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because there's so much damage. But you know, so Glupski

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picked his victims in a very specific way. He knew

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where to go to get the most vulnerable people that

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he could use and he could manipulate. And so we've

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been having conversations with our local government about how do

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we repair those gaps within our systems that allowing people

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to be victimized, Because when they're vulnerable like that, it's

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easier for them to be exploited by people with power

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and without power, and so having conversations kind of more

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in that holistic way has been a lot more beneficial

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than just having a conversation about police brutality, but making

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sure that they very much understand that that's a part

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of the conversation too.

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Speaker 1: When you dig into research like this, do you ever

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put yourself in a humanism way of saying, my god,

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the description and the pattern that this person shows in

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order to get their victims, that's my life. Oh my god,

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this could have been me almost definitely.

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Speaker 2: You know, like I said, I was raised in this neighborhood.

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My family has a couple of homes here in the neighborhood.

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I went to school not that far. And you know,

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my mother, she had interactions and run ins with Glubski.

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She knew who he was, oh boy, And you know

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he used to, you know, drive up and down the

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street when I would walk home to and from school.

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he was allegedly assaulting a high school student at another

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school just down the way. The difference, I think is

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how we labeled our young people during that time and

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how we just label young people in general, and just

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how labels really did break down the stability of this

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community by calling it crime Britain and bad.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was considered to be a good student.

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Speaker 2: You know. I went to a good school. Yeah it

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was in the inner city, but it's one of the

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top schools in the and so I'm not the person

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you would pick and you would victimize. But if you

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go just down the way, there's a bad school that

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has bad.

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Speaker 3: Kids in it.

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Speaker 2: And so when something happens to those kids and they're

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trying to say something about it, oh, they're just trying

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to get out of trouble or they're just trying to

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get that cop in trouble, and so.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to listen to them.

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Speaker 2: And so keeping that in mind and educating our community

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about the harm that that does has been really transformative.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about that, because all

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of a sudden, when you start turning stones over and

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you're on digging some secrets here, you know that that

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police department, in local officials, they're gonna be looking at

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you saying, this girl is a trouble maker. Let's keep

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an eye on Nikki.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been called that in a couple of rooms.

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I like to think that I'm making good trouble, worthwhile trouble.

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Sometimes you need to make a little bit of trouble,

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and I don't mind making this type of trouble.

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Speaker 1: So now these secrets that are supposedly supposed to be

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buried in my heart, after listening to this podcast, they

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weren't buried that deeply. They were there at surface level.

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We chose not to look at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was definitely an open secret, see and I

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And that's how I realized that there was some there there.

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I was at a girlfriend's house and was just having

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conversations about the crazy stories that I was hearing from

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these women and that I was looking into it to

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see what the validity was. And as I was having

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the conversation with her, it was actually her boyfriend's mom

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and sister were in the other room and they overheard

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me mention the name Gulupski and they instantly started whispering

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boy and you could just hear the tenseness and their voices.

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Speaker 3: Is she talking about? Is that the guy that? Oh,

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my goodness, that's him.

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Speaker 2: And I realized at this point in time that oh,

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he was just really an open secret. Everybody knew that

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this was happening, just he was willing to stand up

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and actually do something about it.

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Speaker 1: Did you use the voice when you stepped into that conversation?

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And here this is this is what I hear in

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a lot of people that are journalists or even radio people,

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is that when you when you're connected to something that

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you know, you walk in and just go, so, what

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do you know about Roger? I mean, it's such a

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it's so low keyds he so tell me everything, you

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know what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Very much so, very very much so.

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Speaker 2: And you know, at first, people would say things behind

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closed doors, and it was very much along the line

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of you know, yeah, well we knew Roger Glupski was

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kind of a creep and da da dada dah. But

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as the stories kind of came out, a lot of

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people were a lot more vocal about yeah, we all

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kind of knew, and you know, we were just kind

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of letting it slide. And a lot of that was

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because they felt like they were getting something out of it.

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As sad as it was, a lot of the women

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that he was harassing, he was naming them as confidential informants,

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So it was always framed this is what he needed

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to do to get the information to get bad guys

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off of the show street, and that these women just

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happen to be collateral damage in that process. So it

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was just a lot of you know, people just kind

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of shrugging their shoulders and then now realizing, oh, that

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was actually really really bad.

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Speaker 3: What we did.

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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about what

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you're doing? Once again, this is not your first rodeo.

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This is something that you continue to dive into all

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the time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're actually dealing with a death and a jail

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case right now, a civil rights case, and we're kind

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of assisting the family and their legal team as they're

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trying to seek justice in that and our organization is

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Justice for wind Out. You can find Justice for wind

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Out on Instagram and Facebook. You can also just go

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to our website at justicefowindot dot org and look at

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all of the different cases that we've worked on.

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Speaker 1: Please come back to the show anytime in the future, Nikki.

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The door is always going to be open for you.

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Speaker 3: Oh. I appreciate it so much. I look forward to

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coming back.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant Today, Okay, you too.