Speaker 1: What did we just talk about? What did I just
Speaker 1: say to you about flute? Last segment? We just had
Speaker 1: a conversation about the flute. And please help me understand
Speaker 1: whether or not you heard what I actually said to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you said quote, Yeah, you know, Marshall Tucker Band know
Speaker 1: how to find that balance. No, I said, some flute
Speaker 1: is fine, but too much flute ruins the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Now we're approaching the line of too much flute. So,
Speaker 2: Marshall Tucker Band, too much flute, You're.
Speaker 1: At times look flute moderation. I'm fine with too much flute.
Speaker 1: Then what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: You're not wrong? Last flute song of the day.
Speaker 1: We'll see deal, Okay. I bet Matt Brown has a
Speaker 1: hot take on this. So Matt, I'm not anti flute.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you're going to implement a flute
Speaker 1: in a rock band, there has to be a line.
Speaker 3: I mean, I completely agree if you if you go
Speaker 3: too hard in the paint, you're basically ron Burgundy, which
Speaker 3: is it's fine in very small doses, but that changes
Speaker 3: the whole paradigm of the song. Well, well said, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys. I'm an absolute soccer
Speaker 3: for a horn section in a rock song, but a
Speaker 3: flute is generally not the instrument that I would go for. First.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: And while we're in the weird space to start an
Speaker 1: interview off in a strange way, I have a moral
Speaker 1: dilemma that Porter weighed in on last segment.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you, Matt Brown, are you ready? Of course?
Speaker 3: This is what people pay me for. Of course.
Speaker 2: Indeed.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I was fortunate enough to do well at
Speaker 1: a golf tournament and was rewarded with a five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars gift card to a online store that offers sheets
Speaker 1: and betting and such, and Matt, I'll just say, your
Speaker 1: boy could use some betting, Okay, it's been a while.
Speaker 1: Betting is one of those guys as a bachelor, you
Speaker 1: just forget about and then suddenly you need to do sheets.
Speaker 1: So here's the deal, five hundred dollars gift card, and
Speaker 1: in my checkout basket, I have six hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: dollars worth of sheets and betting.
Speaker 2: Do I just buy it.
Speaker 1: And view the whole thing as if I paid one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety bucks for sheets and bet or do
Speaker 1: I have to take some off to stay under the
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars limit.
Speaker 3: I think you absolutely buy the whole thing. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is why companies donate gift cards to be a
Speaker 3: part of events like legitimately to kind of bring this
Speaker 3: full circle. When we were recruiting sponsors to help us
Speaker 3: with our Bowl game, the extra points bawl a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, this was part of the sales pitch,
Speaker 3: like you look, give athletes gift cards, gives fans participatingble
Speaker 3: to gift cards, knowing that many of them will spend
Speaker 3: more than the value of the card, and you just
Speaker 3: you got you move some merch with the lower margin
Speaker 3: by the sheet that you need if you need six
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety dollars worth of sheets. I feel bad
Speaker 3: for your bed situation, but best to do that now.
Speaker 3: The then prolong it and the name was staying under
Speaker 3: the five hundo that's part of the deal.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I feel justified, and yes, the bed situation and needs
Speaker 1: to be rectified, but I think this purchase will will
Speaker 1: do just that. It's been a minute, Matt, all right,
Speaker 1: Moving on to things that listeners actually care about as
Speaker 1: opposed to the weird way to start the interview.
Speaker 2: Let's start with some local stuff here.
Speaker 1: You know, tonight released the CFP rankings, and Tuesday nights
Speaker 1: have been exciting for Cougar fans BYU fans up until now,
Speaker 1: and you know, two losses and it's when they happened.
Speaker 1: They still have a resume that stacks up with a
Speaker 1: lot of the teams that are close to the top twelve.
Speaker 1: But I wonder what you make of BYU kind of
Speaker 1: faltering down the stretch and losing two of their final
Speaker 1: three games.
Speaker 3: I think it's about to be expected. I don't mean
Speaker 3: this to be disrespectful to any BYU fans, right I
Speaker 3: watched this team of fair amount this year dramatically overperformed expectations.
Speaker 3: Should feel thrilled and over the moon with this season.
Speaker 3: I think it's difficult to reconcile what we saw with
Speaker 3: our eyeballs, and also the framing of BYU based on
Speaker 3: what we thought they were going to be ahead of
Speaker 3: the season and the idea that this is the top
Speaker 3: ten team. And I think part of the thing that
Speaker 3: works against BYU two, even though they can very credibly
Speaker 3: say no, we the only thing to be SMU, we
Speaker 3: have one of the best wins in the entire country.
Speaker 3: And regardless of whether this is true or not, I
Speaker 3: think it's very easy for the people on the selection
Speaker 3: committee to rationalize that, saying, ah, but sm is a
Speaker 3: different team now, They've got a different quarterback situation. You know,
Speaker 3: if you play them now, we'd be laying SMU minus
Speaker 3: eleven or something and and and you know, whether that's
Speaker 3: whether that's fair or not, I'm certain that's that's the rationale.
Speaker 3: I understand how frustrating it can be, because I do
Speaker 3: think you can make a reasonable stats argument for why
Speaker 3: b YU should actually be in the conversation instead of Miami,
Speaker 3: instead of Oldness. But if you if you told BYU
Speaker 3: fans back in August you are going to win double
Speaker 3: digit games and be infuriated that you're going to miss
Speaker 3: the playoff, I think every single person would sign up
Speaker 3: for that, because you know I we probably even talked
Speaker 3: about it on the air, you and me and a
Speaker 3: lot of smart people in Vegas thought this wasn't even
Speaker 3: a bold team, let alone one of better teams in
Speaker 3: recent memory.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: I wonder you know, if you spent some time out here,
Speaker 1: did a really fun story on your trip out here
Speaker 1: to provo, and you know you're one of the guys
Speaker 1: I lean on in the newsletter that you write. I
Speaker 1: read to kind of get educated on the NIL space
Speaker 1: and the business of college football and things that happened
Speaker 1: off the field. And there's this conversation that takes place
Speaker 1: out here about the BYU football model and whether or
Speaker 1: not it can work and be sustainable in the modern
Speaker 1: day and age of college football. And we know that
Speaker 1: the basketball team is receiving a lot of NIL assistants
Speaker 1: from Ryan Smith and Danny Ainge and others, and I.
Speaker 2: Honestly don't know. I straight up asked Kalani had.
Speaker 1: Big twelve media days if he's getting the same type
Speaker 1: of financial support that the basketball team is getting. He
Speaker 1: did not like the question. I'll just leave it at
Speaker 1: Dad gave me a nice Kialani answer. But were you
Speaker 1: able to uncover, like, when you hear the BYU football model,
Speaker 1: what sort of NIL initiatives does that include? And are
Speaker 1: they getting support to make sure that this season of
Speaker 1: results isn't something that's just a moment in time, but
Speaker 1: actually sustainable.
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a couple of things we have
Speaker 3: to think about here. I think it's fair to say
Speaker 3: about nil from this season of results. Right, there is
Speaker 3: a minimum payroll level that you probably need to retain
Speaker 3: power for caliber talent or high level Mountain West caliber talent,
Speaker 3: and that number is much smaller than coaches and people
Speaker 3: that work for ON three and people that work in
Speaker 3: the NIL recruiting. You know, make a complex. I think
Speaker 3: would want you to believe the high number purportedly this year.
Speaker 3: It's a little frustrating. We can't get great information on this,
Speaker 3: but I think this is in the ballpark. So Ohio
Speaker 3: State at around twenty million, whether it's eighteen, nineteen, twenty million,
Speaker 3: and they are barely going to make the playoffs. They
Speaker 3: did not win the Big Ten, they did not beat Michigan,
Speaker 3: they did not do any of their immediate goals. Coming
Speaker 3: into this season and spending at jillion dollars, Florist Day
Speaker 3: had a payroll of over ten They're one of the
Speaker 3: worst teams in the country. They would have been a
Speaker 3: betting underdog against multiple SCS teams this year. There are
Speaker 3: lots of teams that went all in financially and you know,
Speaker 3: spending over ten million dollars and are not going to
Speaker 3: make the playoffs, are not going to come close to
Speaker 3: their goals. I don't know what the number is for BYU.
Speaker 3: I would feel comfortable assuming it's under ten and probably
Speaker 3: on the on the lower end. And from my understanding,
Speaker 3: part of the bet that this team made was we
Speaker 3: are going to get better on the football field by
Speaker 3: retaining as much of our previous roster as possible, where
Speaker 3: you had a lot more attrition and hope that continuity
Speaker 3: and experience and more time under our coaches will lead
Speaker 3: to natural improvement where we don't need to turn over
Speaker 3: twenty six percent of our roster. And this year that worked.
Speaker 3: Part of that worked because you got some improvement that
Speaker 3: statistically unlikely from some skilled position guys. Part of that
Speaker 3: worked because I don't want to say lucky, but the
Speaker 3: ball bounce fortuitously in a few ways, which is that's
Speaker 3: football that happens sometimes. It's not something I think you
Speaker 3: can necessarily plan on happening every single year, but it
Speaker 3: certainly can work. And to a lesser extent, I think
Speaker 3: that's a little bit of the model that has to
Speaker 3: work for Utah or almost everybody else in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 3: There's nobody in this conference, nobody that can recruit out
Speaker 3: of high school at the level necessary to win a
Speaker 3: national championship. Nobody is signing more than you know, thirteen
Speaker 3: twelve four star guys. Everybody is recruiting developmental football players
Speaker 3: and shopping at the scratch and dent sale in the
Speaker 3: transfer market to see if they can go get you know,
Speaker 3: turn a second chance for star guy and having him
Speaker 3: blossom if he comes over there, and you can win
Speaker 3: ten games, and I think you'll be able to win
Speaker 3: some playoff games and have great seasons that way, and
Speaker 3: some years are going to go four and eight. If
Speaker 3: you want to win ten games every year, you've got
Speaker 3: to recruit like Ohio State test but in this league
Speaker 3: where nobody is in Ohio State. Yeah, I think if
Speaker 3: you're BYU and you don't, you don't have to spend
Speaker 3: twelve million dollars necessarily. If you're recruiting people that can
Speaker 3: be successful at YU, can stay in roles ineligible at YU,
Speaker 3: and are willing to stay at that school for multiple years.
Speaker 3: If you identify the right people, yeah, you can. You
Speaker 3: can be in conversation for a league title every couple
Speaker 3: every couple of years a decade. That's just like Iowa
Speaker 3: State's doing.
Speaker 1: But in order to make a ten win season sustainable,
Speaker 1: if I'm understanding you correctly, there will need to be
Speaker 1: some sort of financial infusion, some economic confusion into the
Speaker 1: football program to be who they were this year consistently.
Speaker 2: Correct. I mean, they can't rely on smoke.
Speaker 1: I hate to say smoking mirrors because I think they're good,
Speaker 1: and I think they're better than I anybody thought that
Speaker 1: they would be. But this did feel like more of
Speaker 1: like a moment in time. If they want to be
Speaker 1: this every year, checks have to be written. Is that
Speaker 1: fair to say?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you want to be like
Speaker 3: this every year, you need a different caliber roster. I
Speaker 3: would say the same thing to Iowa State. I would
Speaker 3: say the same thing to Houston. I would say the
Speaker 3: same thing to Arizona State. Which is what Dillingham is
Speaker 3: I think is also kind of staying here too. You're
Speaker 3: not going to identify every single eighty six rated recruit
Speaker 3: perfectly every single time. You're not going to get the
Speaker 3: right jucode development guy every single time. The way that
Speaker 3: that you can win ten games consistently is by having
Speaker 3: a really good staff, a really good head coach, a
Speaker 3: really good culture, and then getting the guys that you
Speaker 3: need and for people it was just different because your
Speaker 3: recruiting pool is so different. You can't go after the
Speaker 3: same kind of guys that other peers in this league can.
Speaker 3: For uh, you know, the same reasons you and I
Speaker 3: talk about all the time. I think you do need
Speaker 3: a minimum baseline. But if that minimum baseline for team
Speaker 3: Perol is like three and a half million, I think
Speaker 3: you're fine. Or three million across across an entire team.
Speaker 3: You that's what the high end of the Mountain West
Speaker 3: is spending. I think I think you'll be okay because
Speaker 3: the whole when doople I use recruiting a football player,
Speaker 3: just like when they're recruiting students for that matter, if
Speaker 3: money is the single most important thing, they're probably not
Speaker 3: going to get that guy. If money is it's important,
Speaker 3: but they care about four or five other things, they're
Speaker 3: more likely to get that guy. And and and that
Speaker 3: works for some people in a dozen for others. And
Speaker 3: that's okay.
Speaker 2: Is NI l tithed?
Speaker 3: It should be right? Well, it's it's income, it's an increase.
Speaker 3: UH can consult? I would, I would, I would encourage
Speaker 3: listeners to consult your relevant ecclesiastical authorities whether you should
Speaker 3: pay net or gross on ni L earnings. But my
Speaker 3: my reading of the handbook would indicate that it should
Speaker 3: be tithed.
Speaker 1: You are literally you're the only college football media member
Speaker 1: I can.
Speaker 2: Ask that question too. Then understands what I say.
Speaker 3: Take that. Take that, McMurphy. Yeah, you haven't done the
Speaker 3: reading like I have.
Speaker 1: How long, Matt, are we going to because it if
Speaker 1: I'm understanding this correctly, this is all still left under
Speaker 1: the jurisdiction of the institutions, and so like the details
Speaker 1: if you're going to have a player sign a contract,
Speaker 1: because we were debating this earlier, you know, if Utah
Speaker 1: football try to acquire talent via the transfer portal and
Speaker 1: if the Utah model and I'm not saying that it
Speaker 1: is because honestly don't know, so let me be clear
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, but if the Utah model has a
Speaker 1: contractual arrangement with a player that limits the ability to
Speaker 1: transfer or whatever, they're just going to go find a
Speaker 1: different contract from a different institution that satisfies what they're
Speaker 1: looking for. How long are we going to deal with this? Like,
Speaker 1: at what point are we just going to have uniformity?
Speaker 1: So there isn't Ohio State at twenty million and BYU
Speaker 1: at three or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: How long are how long are we going to deal
Speaker 2: with this chaos?
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, if you're looking for uniformity, I
Speaker 3: think the answer is forever. The way you get uniformity
Speaker 3: is with a collective bargaining agreement and a salary cap
Speaker 3: and an an enforcement mechanism to go after that cap.
Speaker 3: And you know, if you guys follow the NBA, people
Speaker 3: in this market care even with a really strict salary
Speaker 3: cap and people having to pay real penalties for getting
Speaker 3: around that cap. You and I and God all know
Speaker 3: that Miami and the Lakers and the Knicks do things
Speaker 3: that you can't do in put A, that you can't
Speaker 3: do in Cleveland, that you can't do in Indianapolis to
Speaker 3: kind of to get over that number. And that's going
Speaker 3: to be true in college football too. If this house
Speaker 3: settlement is actually certified, which is still a little bit
Speaker 3: of an open question, then there's going to be some
Speaker 3: level of uniformity and what power for schools can offer.
Speaker 3: But that money also has to get split up amongst basketball.
Speaker 3: That's money may need to be split up against other
Speaker 3: sports as well, and to the extent that other boosters
Speaker 3: can raise money above that twenty point eight million or
Speaker 3: whatever it ends up being. It's still very much an
Speaker 3: open question. And what I would tell, you know, any
Speaker 3: fans or parents and anyone wh says listening to this,
Speaker 3: like for this first year, there really are no rules.
Speaker 3: The NCAA can't meaningfully enforce any of this stuff. The plaintiffs,
Speaker 3: attorneys and the judges are kind of making it up
Speaker 3: as they go along. They'll probably be some more standard
Speaker 3: standardization after this coming year, but I think it would
Speaker 3: be very, very difficult to be a coach of any
Speaker 3: sport trying to figure out recruiting. You've got National Signing
Speaker 3: Day here in a couple of days, and you might
Speaker 3: not even know how many people you are allowed to
Speaker 3: have in a roster next year. It's it's it's a
Speaker 3: it's a it's a very difficult thing. But if if
Speaker 3: your hope is to have the same resources as the
Speaker 3: Ohio state or Texas or Alabama, think we're gonna need
Speaker 3: to be waiting a lot longer.
Speaker 1: And I guess there's a conversation we had that it's
Speaker 1: always kind of been that way, and now it's just
Speaker 1: right in front of our face, right, Uh, I wonder, Matt,
Speaker 1: in your opinion, because I have your Twitter pulled up
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing the tweet about I think it's Cooper
Speaker 1: Legatt and Miles Jackson who claimed that they are you know,
Speaker 1: they were promised nil money that they did not receive.
Speaker 2: And you and I have talked about this.
Speaker 1: Get it in writing, get it in writing, and do
Speaker 1: everything you have to do to make them write it
Speaker 1: down and sign the document. But my question is what
Speaker 1: is the biggest or a couple of pieces of collateral
Speaker 1: damage that are in play now as a result of,
Speaker 1: as you say, really no rules in figuring it out
Speaker 1: as we go along. What are the pieces of collateral
Speaker 1: damage that come about as a result of this chaos?
Speaker 3: I think I think we just identified a perfect case.
Speaker 3: And so the event that we're both discussing here is
Speaker 3: a new story out of Tulsa where multiple multiple players
Speaker 3: on the team said, Hey, we came down here under
Speaker 3: the expectation we would be paid X, Y or Z.
Speaker 3: Kevin Wilson just got fired. Nobody's taking our calls with
Speaker 3: our collective and we were out of the money. And yes,
Speaker 3: of course you should get this stuff in writing. And
Speaker 3: I say this to somebody who has been burned by
Speaker 3: this in his career, you know, both as being a
Speaker 3: reporter and before being a reporter. And I think that's
Speaker 3: that happens to a lot of twenty somethings. Is you
Speaker 3: the job that our recruiter offers, or that you that
Speaker 3: you the terms that you thought you agreed upon aren't
Speaker 3: the same ones when you show up with the first
Speaker 3: day at work or when that first paycheck comes. I
Speaker 3: think it really sucks in college that so many athletes,
Speaker 3: particularly at the mid major and low major level, are
Speaker 3: advised by people who are not competent advisors, are are
Speaker 3: advised by by agents who are not attorneys, who are
Speaker 3: not licensed in their various states, who are not certified
Speaker 3: by the NFLPA or the Basketball Players Association. They're just guys,
Speaker 3: and they're guys that don't know what they're doing. And
Speaker 3: that's that's part of what creates situations like the Sweven
Speaker 3: Services at UNLV with their with their last quarterback, and
Speaker 3: that was with an agent at a grown up agency,
Speaker 3: like of actual professionals screwed up in a deeply amateur
Speaker 3: hour way. I think if fans really realize the kind
Speaker 3: of the caliber of professional that is giving advice and
Speaker 3: trying to manage the recruitment of a lot of people
Speaker 3: who play locally. They would be shocked and that is
Speaker 3: going to hurt and has hurt the earning potential for
Speaker 3: a lot of athletes.
Speaker 1: I have a simple question with a very complex, nuanced answer.
Speaker 1: I'm sure because you referenced this earlier, and I totally
Speaker 1: agree with you. You know, and maybe the term uniformity
Speaker 1: is the wrong one to use here, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: some semblance of the dust has settled, and we have
Speaker 1: at least a blueprint of what this thing could look
Speaker 1: like moving forward. Probably will not come about until these
Speaker 1: players unionize and there is a collective bargaining agreement with
Speaker 1: whatever the powers that be look like, you know, the
Speaker 1: governing body that now is in charge of college football.
Speaker 2: If they break away, what's stopping that?
Speaker 1: Like, to me, it's the It is the only solution,
Speaker 1: and it is the direction it feels like it's going.
Speaker 1: And I don't know when, and I know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of red tape, and it's a complex issue, but
Speaker 1: I do feel like that is the only legitimate solution
Speaker 1: that would solve the majority of the issues that is
Speaker 1: causing chaos or a sport that we all love. What
Speaker 1: what are the roadblocks between here and there?
Speaker 3: There's a lot if that's where you want to go.
Speaker 3: Roadblock number one is that while many many coaches would
Speaker 3: agree with you, at a surprising number of athletic directors
Speaker 3: will agree with you, especially if you turn off the
Speaker 3: microphone and you know, get one cocktail in them at
Speaker 3: at the conference bar University presidents overwhelmingly hate that idea.
Speaker 3: They don't want that because they don't want to enter
Speaker 3: into a formal employee employer relationship. They don't want that
Speaker 3: because that would be governed by state level labor law,
Speaker 3: which differs enormously across the country, which will make conference
Speaker 3: wide deals much harder to do, and it opens up
Speaker 3: some legal challenges about which athletes are employees. It's one
Speaker 3: thing to say, yeah, Ohio State football players should probably
Speaker 3: be under some kind of CBA. They're obviously professionals. They
Speaker 3: make more of an any of us will and a
Speaker 3: year at any of our careers. It's another thing if that, okay,
Speaker 3: does that include Utah gymnasts. I mean, that's a revenue
Speaker 3: positive sport and then they're controlled at the same level
Speaker 3: that a football player does. What about UVU volleyball players,
Speaker 3: well that they don't generate revenue, but the controls the
Speaker 3: same way, and you can see how that gets complicated.
Speaker 3: So we have the University of Presidents of one bucket.
Speaker 1: You need to think.
Speaker 3: About unions and about having a CBA. You need a union,
Speaker 3: and management can't make a union for you. I can't
Speaker 3: post a union into existence, or at least a very
Speaker 3: good one. Labor has to do that, and a college
Speaker 3: athlete union, even one with a really small bargaining unit
Speaker 3: of just athletes in a certain sport, would be It's
Speaker 3: not the among the youngest and most transient unions in
Speaker 3: the entire world. I've done labor organizing before. I helped
Speaker 3: organize a union when I was at Box. I've done
Speaker 3: this earlier in my career. It's extremely hard, and it's
Speaker 3: even harder when you're dealing with people that don't come
Speaker 3: from union backgrounds and might not have a lot of
Speaker 3: things in common, which is the way that college athletics is.
Speaker 3: We've had lots of efforts now to organize those athletes
Speaker 3: and they've all mostly failed. That could change in the future,
Speaker 3: but right now it doesn't look good. In the last
Speaker 3: couple of chances have not done very well. The last thing,
Speaker 3: you know, forgive me for bringing this up here in
Speaker 3: this market, but we're about to have a substantially less
Speaker 3: friendly to labor federal government. We might not have a
Speaker 3: National Labor Relations Board in two or three years. You're
Speaker 3: gonna have an NLRB while it still exists. That's going
Speaker 3: to be way more hostile to unionization efforts on college campuses,
Speaker 3: not just for athletes, but for graduate students and and thas.
Speaker 3: And if that gets clawed back, it doesn't really matter
Speaker 3: what labor does, because the law is the law. So
Speaker 3: I think if you what you if what you want
Speaker 3: is what the NFL has, there's so much inertia and
Speaker 3: legal momentum against that. I'm way more skeptical of it
Speaker 3: happening in the short term than I was nine months ago.
Speaker 3: If you want a CBA, the closest thing you're going
Speaker 3: to get in the short term is the House settlement.
Speaker 3: And there's a whole bunch of questions with that.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, last thing.
Speaker 1: Now, having said all of that, Matt, do you still
Speaker 1: think at the end of the day that that will
Speaker 1: be what college football looks like when the dust actually settles,
Speaker 1: even if it's in ten years, do you still think
Speaker 1: that's where we're headed at some point?
Speaker 3: At some point, at some point, maybe, but I'm less
Speaker 3: certain of that than I was last year. I think
Speaker 3: the only thing that I feel pretty confident about is
Speaker 3: that we are moving in a direction, probably not in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, but maybe soon after that, where big
Speaker 3: time college football is a is even further separates itself
Speaker 3: from the NCUBA. I wouldn't be shocked us in two
Speaker 3: or three years, we don't have an NCUBA. We have
Speaker 3: a basketball tournament that's governed by USA Basketball in conjunction
Speaker 3: with some event management companies. We have the College Football
Speaker 3: Playoff as a separate organization. We have USA Baseball, we
Speaker 3: have USA Wrestling, and we have different sports specific federations
Speaker 3: in the NCAA is a debating society for the Oberlins
Speaker 3: and Westminsters of the world. But what that means for
Speaker 3: employment and what that means for organized labor or a CBA,
Speaker 3: those are fundamentally they are about things that are above
Speaker 3: the pay grade of you and I. And if I
Speaker 3: was good at predicting what's gonna happen with the Trump
Speaker 3: White House, what the Supreme court is going to do.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be making my money talking here about flutes
Speaker 3: and rock bands with you.
Speaker 1: Guys, fair enough, but it might be only above my
Speaker 1: pay grade, Matt, because I am not sponsoring a bowl game,
Speaker 1: but you are.
Speaker 2: Let's hear.
Speaker 1: Let's let's hear the details about the Extra Points Bowl
Speaker 1: that you guys are are sponsoring over at your spot.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We So this game actually wrapped up, so I
Speaker 3: think it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was two weeks ago. I played in the Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame Stadium in Canton, Ohio. It featured the Marietta
Speaker 3: College Pioneers and the Westminster Titans, two Division three schools,
Speaker 3: one in southern Ohio, one just outside Pittsburgh. Westminster won
Speaker 3: the game, and uh and it was among the highlights
Speaker 3: of my professional career. It is an amazing venue to
Speaker 3: have to have a high level football game. All the
Speaker 3: players got to do a tour of the NFL Hall
Speaker 3: of Fame beforehand visit. Canton did a great job and
Speaker 3: I think one of the really cool things. Even though
Speaker 3: it wasn't a massive crowd or anything, but at the
Speaker 3: Division three level, where no one's joally talking about nil,
Speaker 3: no one's really talking about trying to transfer and maybe
Speaker 3: get a spot on the Ohio Bobcat's roster next year
Speaker 3: or something. The biggest thing for all these guys who
Speaker 3: missed the playoffs is they just wanted one more game
Speaker 3: with their brothers, one more bus ride, one more team dinner,
Speaker 3: one more chance to compete and participate in something that's
Speaker 3: been such an integral part of their lives. And that's
Speaker 3: what we were able to do here. We've learned a lot.
Speaker 3: I think we're going to have a much better and
Speaker 3: more expansive event next year. But this was absolutely money
Speaker 3: well spent, and I've learned a lot and have a
Speaker 3: different level of appreciation for the folks that help make
Speaker 3: postseason and NTE events work now across the country very cool.
Speaker 2: Now, where can people go find all your work?
Speaker 3: You can find what we're cranking we're working on here
Speaker 3: at extra points mb dot com. We published a newsletter
Speaker 3: four days a week covering business policy and off the
Speaker 3: field stories in college sports. Some of that's free, some
Speaker 3: of that's behind the paywall, so I could buy lunch
Speaker 3: of bulls for my kids. And you can find me
Speaker 3: on Twitter at Matt Brown EP and on Blue Sky
Speaker 3: at Matt Brown have some other reporting coming up soon,
Speaker 3: and I know we'll think we're out of time here,
Speaker 3: but the legitimately the Bowl Game did give me an
Speaker 3: idea for what a similar event could look like in Utah.
Speaker 3: Because I have a basketball idea that it's going to
Speaker 3: take some talking folks into but if it could be
Speaker 3: pulled off, we can get the right people to say
Speaker 3: it's okay. I think would be really really exciting and
Speaker 3: very true to this market.
Speaker 1: You have me intrigued. You also have my support. If
Speaker 1: we can help. Let us know, always illuminating my friend
Speaker 1: be well.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you bet take care guys, all right
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