WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.399 What did we just talk about? What did I just 2 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:06.960 say to you about flute? Last segment? We just had 3 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:11.320 a conversation about the flute. And please help me understand 4 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:13.599 whether or not you heard what I actually said to you. Yeah, 5 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:17.960 you said quote, Yeah, you know, Marshall Tucker Band know 6 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:20.600 how to find that balance. No, I said, some flute 7 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:23.640 is fine, but too much flute ruins the whole thing. 8 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:26.199 Now we're approaching the line of too much flute. So, 9 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.039 Marshall Tucker Band, too much flute, You're. 10 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:32.679 At times look flute moderation. I'm fine with too much flute. 11 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:33.880 Then what are we doing here? 12 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:36.759 You're not wrong? Last flute song of the day. 13 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:40.240 We'll see deal, Okay. I bet Matt Brown has a 14 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:43.240 hot take on this. So Matt, I'm not anti flute. 15 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:45.520 I'm just saying, if you're going to implement a flute 16 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:47.240 in a rock band, there has to be a line. 17 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:50.359 I mean, I completely agree if you if you go 18 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.359 too hard in the paint, you're basically ron Burgundy, which 19 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:57.039 is it's fine in very small doses, but that changes 20 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:02.399 the whole paradigm of the song. Well, well said, Yeah, 21 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:05.000 I don't know about you, guys. I'm an absolute soccer 22 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:08.439 for a horn section in a rock song, but a 23 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.439 flute is generally not the instrument that I would go for. First. 24 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:12.760 Yeah, no, I'm with you. 25 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:15.000 And while we're in the weird space to start an 26 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.000 interview off in a strange way, I have a moral 27 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.319 dilemma that Porter weighed in on last segment. 28 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:22.719 I'm gonna ask you, Matt Brown, are you ready? Of course? 29 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:24.560 This is what people pay me for. Of course. 30 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:24.920 Indeed. 31 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:28.000 Okay, So I was fortunate enough to do well at 32 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.680 a golf tournament and was rewarded with a five hundred 33 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:34.680 dollars gift card to a online store that offers sheets 34 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:37.599 and betting and such, and Matt, I'll just say, your 35 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.120 boy could use some betting, Okay, it's been a while. 36 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:42.840 Betting is one of those guys as a bachelor, you 37 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:45.719 just forget about and then suddenly you need to do sheets. 38 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:48.560 So here's the deal, five hundred dollars gift card, and 39 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:51.879 in my checkout basket, I have six hundred and ninety 40 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:53.519 dollars worth of sheets and betting. 41 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:56.000 Do I just buy it. 42 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:57.840 And view the whole thing as if I paid one 43 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.560 hundred and ninety bucks for sheets and bet or do 44 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:02.359 I have to take some off to stay under the 45 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:03.359 five hundred dollars limit. 46 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:07.879 I think you absolutely buy the whole thing. I mean, 47 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:11.960 this is why companies donate gift cards to be a 48 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.879 part of events like legitimately to kind of bring this 49 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.599 full circle. When we were recruiting sponsors to help us 50 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:21.719 with our Bowl game, the extra points bawl a couple 51 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:24.039 of weeks ago, this was part of the sales pitch, 52 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:28.439 like you look, give athletes gift cards, gives fans participatingble 53 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.439 to gift cards, knowing that many of them will spend 54 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.000 more than the value of the card, and you just 55 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:37.199 you got you move some merch with the lower margin 56 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.199 by the sheet that you need if you need six 57 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.599 hundred and ninety dollars worth of sheets. I feel bad 58 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:45.680 for your bed situation, but best to do that now. 59 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:48.479 The then prolong it and the name was staying under 60 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:50.199 the five hundo that's part of the deal. 61 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:50.599 Okay. 62 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.560 I feel justified, and yes, the bed situation and needs 63 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:56.439 to be rectified, but I think this purchase will will 64 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:58.719 do just that. It's been a minute, Matt, all right, 65 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:01.280 Moving on to things that listeners actually care about as 66 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:03.120 opposed to the weird way to start the interview. 67 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:05.240 Let's start with some local stuff here. 68 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.879 You know, tonight released the CFP rankings, and Tuesday nights 69 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:12.319 have been exciting for Cougar fans BYU fans up until now, 70 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:15.960 and you know, two losses and it's when they happened. 71 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:18.560 They still have a resume that stacks up with a 72 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.560 lot of the teams that are close to the top twelve. 73 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:23.759 But I wonder what you make of BYU kind of 74 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.039 faltering down the stretch and losing two of their final 75 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:27.080 three games. 76 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:30.520 I think it's about to be expected. I don't mean 77 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.199 this to be disrespectful to any BYU fans, right I 78 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:38.479 watched this team of fair amount this year dramatically overperformed expectations. 79 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:41.560 Should feel thrilled and over the moon with this season. 80 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.479 I think it's difficult to reconcile what we saw with 81 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:49.039 our eyeballs, and also the framing of BYU based on 82 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:50.360 what we thought they were going to be ahead of 83 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.879 the season and the idea that this is the top 84 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:54.520 ten team. And I think part of the thing that 85 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:57.960 works against BYU two, even though they can very credibly 86 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:00.599 say no, we the only thing to be SMU, we 87 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.319 have one of the best wins in the entire country. 88 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:06.319 And regardless of whether this is true or not, I 89 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:08.840 think it's very easy for the people on the selection 90 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.360 committee to rationalize that, saying, ah, but sm is a 91 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:16.560 different team now, They've got a different quarterback situation. You know, 92 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:19.560 if you play them now, we'd be laying SMU minus 93 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.240 eleven or something and and and you know, whether that's 94 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:26.879 whether that's fair or not, I'm certain that's that's the rationale. 95 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:29.079 I understand how frustrating it can be, because I do 96 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:32.319 think you can make a reasonable stats argument for why 97 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:36.279 b YU should actually be in the conversation instead of Miami, 98 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.000 instead of Oldness. But if you if you told BYU 99 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:44.120 fans back in August you are going to win double 100 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.720 digit games and be infuriated that you're going to miss 101 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:50.079 the playoff, I think every single person would sign up 102 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:52.920 for that, because you know I we probably even talked 103 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.639 about it on the air, you and me and a 104 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:57.680 lot of smart people in Vegas thought this wasn't even 105 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.680 a bold team, let alone one of better teams in 106 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:01.360 recent memory. 107 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:02.360 For sure. 108 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.000 I wonder you know, if you spent some time out here, 109 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:07.360 did a really fun story on your trip out here 110 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:11.279 to provo, and you know you're one of the guys 111 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.000 I lean on in the newsletter that you write. I 112 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.639 read to kind of get educated on the NIL space 113 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:18.879 and the business of college football and things that happened 114 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:22.240 off the field. And there's this conversation that takes place 115 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:25.680 out here about the BYU football model and whether or 116 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:29.160 not it can work and be sustainable in the modern 117 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:31.800 day and age of college football. And we know that 118 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:35.079 the basketball team is receiving a lot of NIL assistants 119 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.839 from Ryan Smith and Danny Ainge and others, and I. 120 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:40.519 Honestly don't know. I straight up asked Kalani had. 121 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:42.759 Big twelve media days if he's getting the same type 122 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:45.920 of financial support that the basketball team is getting. He 123 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:47.839 did not like the question. I'll just leave it at 124 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.839 Dad gave me a nice Kialani answer. But were you 125 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:54.839 able to uncover, like, when you hear the BYU football model, 126 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:59.160 what sort of NIL initiatives does that include? And are 127 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:02.759 they getting support to make sure that this season of 128 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:05.240 results isn't something that's just a moment in time, but 129 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:06.399 actually sustainable. 130 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.000 Well, I think there's a couple of things we have 131 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.879 to think about here. I think it's fair to say 132 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:16.439 about nil from this season of results. Right, there is 133 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:21.120 a minimum payroll level that you probably need to retain 134 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:26.079 power for caliber talent or high level Mountain West caliber talent, 135 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.279 and that number is much smaller than coaches and people 136 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.240 that work for ON three and people that work in 137 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:34.959 the NIL recruiting. You know, make a complex. I think 138 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.839 would want you to believe the high number purportedly this year. 139 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:41.399 It's a little frustrating. We can't get great information on this, 140 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.920 but I think this is in the ballpark. So Ohio 141 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:47.120 State at around twenty million, whether it's eighteen, nineteen, twenty million, 142 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:52.040 and they are barely going to make the playoffs. They 143 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.279 did not win the Big Ten, they did not beat Michigan, 144 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:56.959 they did not do any of their immediate goals. Coming 145 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:00.600 into this season and spending at jillion dollars, Florist Day 146 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:02.519 had a payroll of over ten They're one of the 147 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:04.000 worst teams in the country. They would have been a 148 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:07.720 betting underdog against multiple SCS teams this year. There are 149 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:12.120 lots of teams that went all in financially and you know, 150 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.600 spending over ten million dollars and are not going to 151 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:17.439 make the playoffs, are not going to come close to 152 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.399 their goals. I don't know what the number is for BYU. 153 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:23.639 I would feel comfortable assuming it's under ten and probably 154 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:27.600 on the on the lower end. And from my understanding, 155 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:30.959 part of the bet that this team made was we 156 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.879 are going to get better on the football field by 157 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.839 retaining as much of our previous roster as possible, where 158 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:41.079 you had a lot more attrition and hope that continuity 159 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:45.680 and experience and more time under our coaches will lead 160 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:47.879 to natural improvement where we don't need to turn over 161 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:51.680 twenty six percent of our roster. And this year that worked. 162 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:55.600 Part of that worked because you got some improvement that 163 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.560 statistically unlikely from some skilled position guys. Part of that 164 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.120 worked because I don't want to say lucky, but the 165 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.360 ball bounce fortuitously in a few ways, which is that's 166 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:08.920 football that happens sometimes. It's not something I think you 167 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:13.560 can necessarily plan on happening every single year, but it 168 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.759 certainly can work. And to a lesser extent, I think 169 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:19.160 that's a little bit of the model that has to 170 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:21.639 work for Utah or almost everybody else in the Big Twelve. 171 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:26.639 There's nobody in this conference, nobody that can recruit out 172 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:28.839 of high school at the level necessary to win a 173 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:32.360 national championship. Nobody is signing more than you know, thirteen 174 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:37.240 twelve four star guys. Everybody is recruiting developmental football players 175 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:39.480 and shopping at the scratch and dent sale in the 176 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.519 transfer market to see if they can go get you know, 177 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.120 turn a second chance for star guy and having him 178 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.879 blossom if he comes over there, and you can win 179 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:49.840 ten games, and I think you'll be able to win 180 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:52.559 some playoff games and have great seasons that way, and 181 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:55.200 some years are going to go four and eight. If 182 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.320 you want to win ten games every year, you've got 183 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:01.519 to recruit like Ohio State test but in this league 184 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.440 where nobody is in Ohio State. Yeah, I think if 185 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:07.399 you're BYU and you don't, you don't have to spend 186 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.240 twelve million dollars necessarily. If you're recruiting people that can 187 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.600 be successful at YU, can stay in roles ineligible at YU, 188 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.279 and are willing to stay at that school for multiple years. 189 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:19.639 If you identify the right people, yeah, you can. You 190 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:22.639 can be in conversation for a league title every couple 191 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:25.320 every couple of years a decade. That's just like Iowa 192 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:25.879 State's doing. 193 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:30.720 But in order to make a ten win season sustainable, 194 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.960 if I'm understanding you correctly, there will need to be 195 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:37.919 some sort of financial infusion, some economic confusion into the 196 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:42.120 football program to be who they were this year consistently. 197 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.840 Correct. I mean, they can't rely on smoke. 198 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:47.279 I hate to say smoking mirrors because I think they're good, 199 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:49.519 and I think they're better than I anybody thought that 200 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:51.919 they would be. But this did feel like more of 201 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:53.440 like a moment in time. If they want to be 202 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:55.399 this every year, checks have to be written. Is that 203 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:56.000 fair to say? 204 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:58.320 I mean, I think if you want to be like 205 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:03.440 this every year, you need a different caliber roster. I 206 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:05.399 would say the same thing to Iowa State. I would 207 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.639 say the same thing to Houston. I would say the 208 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:09.879 same thing to Arizona State. Which is what Dillingham is 209 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.399 I think is also kind of staying here too. You're 210 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:15.559 not going to identify every single eighty six rated recruit 211 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.039 perfectly every single time. You're not going to get the 212 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:21.240 right jucode development guy every single time. The way that 213 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.879 that you can win ten games consistently is by having 214 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:26.320 a really good staff, a really good head coach, a 215 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:28.919 really good culture, and then getting the guys that you 216 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:30.919 need and for people it was just different because your 217 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.919 recruiting pool is so different. You can't go after the 218 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:36.320 same kind of guys that other peers in this league can. 219 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:39.200 For uh, you know, the same reasons you and I 220 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.440 talk about all the time. I think you do need 221 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.200 a minimum baseline. But if that minimum baseline for team 222 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:47.159 Perol is like three and a half million, I think 223 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:50.360 you're fine. Or three million across across an entire team. 224 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:53.200 You that's what the high end of the Mountain West 225 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.120 is spending. I think I think you'll be okay because 226 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.759 the whole when doople I use recruiting a football player, 227 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.240 just like when they're recruiting students for that matter, if 228 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.120 money is the single most important thing, they're probably not 229 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.600 going to get that guy. If money is it's important, 230 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:12.559 but they care about four or five other things, they're 231 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:14.759 more likely to get that guy. And and and that 232 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:16.480 works for some people in a dozen for others. And 233 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:16.960 that's okay. 234 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:18.919 Is NI l tithed? 235 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:25.559 It should be right? Well, it's it's income, it's an increase. 236 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.960 UH can consult? I would, I would, I would encourage 237 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.200 listeners to consult your relevant ecclesiastical authorities whether you should 238 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:40.960 pay net or gross on ni L earnings. But my 239 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:43.639 my reading of the handbook would indicate that it should 240 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:44.120 be tithed. 241 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:48.440 You are literally you're the only college football media member 242 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:48.840 I can. 243 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:50.759 Ask that question too. Then understands what I say. 244 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:54.320 Take that. Take that, McMurphy. Yeah, you haven't done the 245 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:55.240 reading like I have. 246 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:00.200 How long, Matt, are we going to because it if 247 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:05.120 I'm understanding this correctly, this is all still left under 248 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:08.360 the jurisdiction of the institutions, and so like the details 249 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:10.759 if you're going to have a player sign a contract, 250 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:13.720 because we were debating this earlier, you know, if Utah 251 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:17.039 football try to acquire talent via the transfer portal and 252 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.519 if the Utah model and I'm not saying that it 253 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:21.320 is because honestly don't know, so let me be clear 254 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:24.519 about that. Yeah, but if the Utah model has a 255 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.120 contractual arrangement with a player that limits the ability to 256 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.759 transfer or whatever, they're just going to go find a 257 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:36.039 different contract from a different institution that satisfies what they're 258 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:39.159 looking for. How long are we going to deal with this? Like, 259 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:41.639 at what point are we just going to have uniformity? 260 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.440 So there isn't Ohio State at twenty million and BYU 261 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:46.679 at three or whatever it is. 262 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:48.440 How long are how long are we going to deal 263 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:49.759 with this chaos? 264 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:52.000 I mean, I mean, if you're looking for uniformity, I 265 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:55.960 think the answer is forever. The way you get uniformity 266 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.960 is with a collective bargaining agreement and a salary cap 267 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.480 and an an enforcement mechanism to go after that cap. 268 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:04.639 And you know, if you guys follow the NBA, people 269 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:08.080 in this market care even with a really strict salary 270 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:10.519 cap and people having to pay real penalties for getting 271 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.240 around that cap. You and I and God all know 272 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:17.320 that Miami and the Lakers and the Knicks do things 273 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.399 that you can't do in put A, that you can't 274 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:21.879 do in Cleveland, that you can't do in Indianapolis to 275 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:23.919 kind of to get over that number. And that's going 276 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.080 to be true in college football too. If this house 277 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:30.840 settlement is actually certified, which is still a little bit 278 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.840 of an open question, then there's going to be some 279 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:37.279 level of uniformity and what power for schools can offer. 280 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:41.120 But that money also has to get split up amongst basketball. 281 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:43.639 That's money may need to be split up against other 282 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:47.919 sports as well, and to the extent that other boosters 283 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.320 can raise money above that twenty point eight million or 284 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.799 whatever it ends up being. It's still very much an 285 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:55.039 open question. And what I would tell, you know, any 286 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:56.960 fans or parents and anyone wh says listening to this, 287 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:59.720 like for this first year, there really are no rules. 288 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:03.840 The NCAA can't meaningfully enforce any of this stuff. The plaintiffs, 289 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.279 attorneys and the judges are kind of making it up 290 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.639 as they go along. They'll probably be some more standard 291 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:13.320 standardization after this coming year, but I think it would 292 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:15.360 be very, very difficult to be a coach of any 293 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.840 sport trying to figure out recruiting. You've got National Signing 294 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:21.960 Day here in a couple of days, and you might 295 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:23.320 not even know how many people you are allowed to 296 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:26.519 have in a roster next year. It's it's it's a 297 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:28.960 it's a it's a very difficult thing. But if if 298 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.039 your hope is to have the same resources as the 299 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.679 Ohio state or Texas or Alabama, think we're gonna need 300 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:34.639 to be waiting a lot longer. 301 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:37.200 And I guess there's a conversation we had that it's 302 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:38.960 always kind of been that way, and now it's just 303 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.799 right in front of our face, right, Uh, I wonder, Matt, 304 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.159 in your opinion, because I have your Twitter pulled up 305 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.840 and I'm seeing the tweet about I think it's Cooper 306 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:50.879 Legatt and Miles Jackson who claimed that they are you know, 307 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.480 they were promised nil money that they did not receive. 308 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:57.240 And you and I have talked about this. 309 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:00.759 Get it in writing, get it in writing, and do 310 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.240 everything you have to do to make them write it 311 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.200 down and sign the document. But my question is what 312 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:09.320 is the biggest or a couple of pieces of collateral 313 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.759 damage that are in play now as a result of, 314 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.879 as you say, really no rules in figuring it out 315 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:19.679 as we go along. What are the pieces of collateral 316 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:21.960 damage that come about as a result of this chaos? 317 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.360 I think I think we just identified a perfect case. 318 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:28.759 And so the event that we're both discussing here is 319 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:32.879 a new story out of Tulsa where multiple multiple players 320 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.679 on the team said, Hey, we came down here under 321 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.279 the expectation we would be paid X, Y or Z. 322 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:41.840 Kevin Wilson just got fired. Nobody's taking our calls with 323 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:45.399 our collective and we were out of the money. And yes, 324 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:47.759 of course you should get this stuff in writing. And 325 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:49.799 I say this to somebody who has been burned by 326 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:52.240 this in his career, you know, both as being a 327 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:54.000 reporter and before being a reporter. And I think that's 328 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:57.279 that happens to a lot of twenty somethings. Is you 329 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.120 the job that our recruiter offers, or that you that 330 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.039 you the terms that you thought you agreed upon aren't 331 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:04.600 the same ones when you show up with the first 332 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:07.919 day at work or when that first paycheck comes. I 333 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:12.000 think it really sucks in college that so many athletes, 334 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:15.440 particularly at the mid major and low major level, are 335 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:19.879 advised by people who are not competent advisors, are are 336 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.039 advised by by agents who are not attorneys, who are 337 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:25.720 not licensed in their various states, who are not certified 338 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:30.399 by the NFLPA or the Basketball Players Association. They're just guys, 339 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:33.519 and they're guys that don't know what they're doing. And 340 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.279 that's that's part of what creates situations like the Sweven 341 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.879 Services at UNLV with their with their last quarterback, and 342 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:42.360 that was with an agent at a grown up agency, 343 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:47.440 like of actual professionals screwed up in a deeply amateur 344 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:50.919 hour way. I think if fans really realize the kind 345 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:54.279 of the caliber of professional that is giving advice and 346 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:56.919 trying to manage the recruitment of a lot of people 347 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:02.399 who play locally. They would be shocked and that is 348 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:06.359 going to hurt and has hurt the earning potential for 349 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:07.359 a lot of athletes. 350 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:12.319 I have a simple question with a very complex, nuanced answer. 351 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:15.400 I'm sure because you referenced this earlier, and I totally 352 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:19.720 agree with you. You know, and maybe the term uniformity 353 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:22.519 is the wrong one to use here, but yeah, you know, 354 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.160 some semblance of the dust has settled, and we have 355 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:28.720 at least a blueprint of what this thing could look 356 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:33.319 like moving forward. Probably will not come about until these 357 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.279 players unionize and there is a collective bargaining agreement with 358 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:39.200 whatever the powers that be look like, you know, the 359 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:41.640 governing body that now is in charge of college football. 360 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:43.799 If they break away, what's stopping that? 361 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:47.519 Like, to me, it's the It is the only solution, 362 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:50.920 and it is the direction it feels like it's going. 363 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:52.559 And I don't know when, and I know there's a 364 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:54.680 lot of red tape, and it's a complex issue, but 365 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.160 I do feel like that is the only legitimate solution 366 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:01.640 that would solve the majority of the issues that is 367 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.240 causing chaos or a sport that we all love. What 368 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.480 what are the roadblocks between here and there? 369 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:10.839 There's a lot if that's where you want to go. 370 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.160 Roadblock number one is that while many many coaches would 371 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:17.160 agree with you, at a surprising number of athletic directors 372 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:18.599 will agree with you, especially if you turn off the 373 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:20.680 microphone and you know, get one cocktail in them at 374 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:25.160 at the conference bar University presidents overwhelmingly hate that idea. 375 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:28.119 They don't want that because they don't want to enter 376 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:31.200 into a formal employee employer relationship. They don't want that 377 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:34.000 because that would be governed by state level labor law, 378 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:36.880 which differs enormously across the country, which will make conference 379 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:40.079 wide deals much harder to do, and it opens up 380 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:44.880 some legal challenges about which athletes are employees. It's one 381 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:47.960 thing to say, yeah, Ohio State football players should probably 382 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.200 be under some kind of CBA. They're obviously professionals. They 383 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:52.880 make more of an any of us will and a 384 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.200 year at any of our careers. It's another thing if that, okay, 385 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:59.559 does that include Utah gymnasts. I mean, that's a revenue 386 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:01.960 positive sport and then they're controlled at the same level 387 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:04.640 that a football player does. What about UVU volleyball players, 388 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:07.319 well that they don't generate revenue, but the controls the 389 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:09.079 same way, and you can see how that gets complicated. 390 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:11.480 So we have the University of Presidents of one bucket. 391 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:12.640 You need to think. 392 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:15.480 About unions and about having a CBA. You need a union, 393 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.680 and management can't make a union for you. I can't 394 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:20.960 post a union into existence, or at least a very 395 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:24.640 good one. Labor has to do that, and a college 396 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.200 athlete union, even one with a really small bargaining unit 397 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:32.319 of just athletes in a certain sport, would be It's 398 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:36.039 not the among the youngest and most transient unions in 399 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:39.680 the entire world. I've done labor organizing before. I helped 400 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:41.960 organize a union when I was at Box. I've done 401 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.480