Speaker 1: It's night.
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Speaker 3: All right, we have not talked about guns, the Second Amendment,
Speaker 3: the right that people have to own guns, not only
Speaker 3: here in Massachusetts, but anywhere around the country because of
Speaker 3: the Second Amendment. There was a piece of legislation passed
Speaker 3: in the Great and General Court. It was House built
Speaker 3: forty eight eighty five, and eventually it became it was
Speaker 3: signed into law by Governor Heay, chapter one thirty five
Speaker 3: of the Acts of twenty twenty four. And I was
Speaker 3: surprised to learn, which I did not realize, that there
Speaker 3: is an effort now underway by some folks who are
Speaker 3: interested in the civil rights of gun owners to basically
Speaker 3: get sufficient number of signatures to suspend the implementation of
Speaker 3: that law. It might get a little confusing, But the
Speaker 3: law was signed by Governor here in late July, I
Speaker 3: think it was July twenty third, and it goes into
Speaker 3: effect on October twenty third and normal ninety days. But
Speaker 3: but but if the folks who now are trying to
Speaker 3: collect signatures are able to gather legitimate signatures of somewhere
Speaker 3: around forty nine thousand Massachusetts voters, it's possible that this
Speaker 3: law actually could be stopped in its tracks unless the
Speaker 3: governor then were to issue an emergency preamble. So we're
Speaker 3: going to get into the weeds a little bit, but
Speaker 3: we're going to try to start off as simply as possible.
Speaker 3: My guest is Toby Leary. He's the co owner of
Speaker 3: the Cape Gun Works. Toby Leary, Welcome to night Side.
Speaker 3: How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, Dan, Thanks so much for having me on.
Speaker 3: Mom My pleasure, My pleasure. Let's talk about this piece
Speaker 3: of legislation. I know it was a battle, and I
Speaker 3: would consider it to be what's called an omnibus piece
Speaker 3: of legislation, meaning it really does do a lot of things,
Speaker 3: a lot of things with which I'm sure you disagree.
Speaker 3: Is there any part of this legislation that you look
Speaker 3: at and say, hey, that's not a bad idea.
Speaker 1: There's probably a couple things in this that makes sense.
Speaker 1: But the problem is the way they went about this,
Speaker 1: to say you got to take the good with the
Speaker 1: bad is no in position. If you're in favor of
Speaker 1: freedom or the Second Amendment or your constitutional rights. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you could say, hey, it wouldn't it be
Speaker 1: good if we could keep people from certain that have
Speaker 1: a certain predilection to going to church and doing this.
Speaker 1: But in order to do that, you've got to make
Speaker 1: sure that, you know, we restrict everyone who's going to
Speaker 1: church on Sunday, and that would be unfair to the
Speaker 1: people who aren't the problems. So that's my biggest problem
Speaker 1: with this bill.
Speaker 3: Okay, So let's get let's get to some of the specifics.
Speaker 3: I assume if I say that you see this bill
Speaker 3: as not only a dissolution of your civil rights, your
Speaker 3: Second Amendment rights, there must be some really onerous aspects
Speaker 3: of the bill. As the bill was signed by Governor Healy,
Speaker 3: she was talking a lot about getting rid of ghost guns,
Speaker 3: and we can get in a discussion of that. But
Speaker 3: give me three or four examples that most people perhaps
Speaker 3: are not aware of the law which is going to
Speaker 3: go into effect in Massachusetts in October of this year,
Speaker 3: October twenty third, unless you get forty nine thousand plus signatures.
Speaker 3: Give me, what are the things that most people would
Speaker 3: be on your side? What are the most onerous obligations?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would say the most onerous dan is
Speaker 1: the fact that they re defined what a firearm is.
Speaker 1: It used to be just a pistol or a short
Speaker 1: arrowed rifle or a short barreled shotgun was by definition
Speaker 1: considered a firearm. But now they've redefined rifles and shotguns
Speaker 1: as firearm. And there's something unique to Massachusetts. California, I
Speaker 1: believe is the only other state that has something that
Speaker 1: we have called a approved firearms roster. So in order
Speaker 1: for a gun a firearm to be sold in Massachuset, Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: it has to go through certain testing labs and be
Speaker 1: dropped and burned, and it costs that manufacturers a huge
Speaker 1: amount of money to do this. They have to send
Speaker 1: five different models of each gun, plus I think a
Speaker 1: check for ten thousand dollars to the testing lab for
Speaker 1: each model that they want to sell in the state
Speaker 1: of firearm. And so that really only ever applied to
Speaker 1: the handguns. So we have a special roster that the
Speaker 1: state puts out and says what guns you're allowed to
Speaker 1: to sell or buy from a licensed gun shop in
Speaker 1: this state. And a lot of people didn't even know that.
Speaker 1: Like I get people come in my shop every day saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: I want to buy a Taurus this, or a Kimber
Speaker 1: that or a glock pistol. And we have to say,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, You've done a lot of research. You know
Speaker 1: a gun, you want to buy it, and you can't
Speaker 1: buy it here. Well, now, as of October twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: if we don't get this this bill suspended, I won't
Speaker 1: be able to sell any rifle or shotgun in the
Speaker 1: state of Massachusetts. Whether it's a pump action, a bolt action,
Speaker 1: a single shot of semi automatic, it doesn't matter because
Speaker 1: there's no roster for long guns, only the handgun roster
Speaker 1: or the approved firearms roster. And I highly doubt manufacturers
Speaker 1: are going to go into this panic mode to start
Speaker 1: sending guns for testing. So that's a huge one that
Speaker 1: most people. I don't even think the legislature that asked
Speaker 1: this realized they did that.
Speaker 3: Because let me make sure understand that, let me make
Speaker 3: let me make sure so someone comes into your gun
Speaker 3: shop and says, gee, I remember President Biden a few
Speaker 3: years ago was talking about how people could defend themselves
Speaker 3: and defend their homes with a shotgun. The President said
Speaker 3: he has a shotgun in his home in Delaware, and
Speaker 3: if someone is out there, you know, and you're concerned
Speaker 3: who they are, he says, just fire off that shotgun.
Speaker 3: And most people will do you remember when when the
Speaker 3: President said.
Speaker 1: That I do. Yeah, He told his wife Jill that
Speaker 1: if you hear something in the night, go out on
Speaker 1: a balcony and fire two blasts out of your double
Speaker 1: barrel shotgun and and you know, let the world know
Speaker 1: that you're armed in dangerous And he was telling people
Speaker 1: to go out and buy a shotgun, a double barrel shotgun,
Speaker 1: and they As of October twenty fourth, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: be able to take Joe Biden's advice for sending people
Speaker 1: out the door with a double barrel shotgun from.
Speaker 3: Home, okay, or just so I understand that. So if
Speaker 3: someone wants to buy a double barrel shotgun from you,
Speaker 3: from you tomorrow, you know, from you tomorrow, that's okay.
Speaker 3: But as of October twenty fourth, you would you would
Speaker 3: be breaking this law if you sold a double barrel shotgun.
Speaker 1: Correct. Okay, that's and that's just one example. But it's
Speaker 1: every long gun, whether it's a shotgun or a rifle.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter whether it's semi automatic, single shot,
Speaker 1: bolt action, or break action. It does not matter. There's
Speaker 1: not a long gun I'll be able to sell as
Speaker 1: of October twenty fourth.
Speaker 3: Okay, So what would be the simplest long gun A
Speaker 3: twenty two? What would be the simplest long gun that
Speaker 3: you sell right now that that most people would assume
Speaker 3: if they wanted to go hunting or as Mitt Romney said,
Speaker 3: shoot some environments in the backyard. You know what sort
Speaker 3: of long gun besides as a shotgun? Will you have
Speaker 3: to stop selling as of the twenty fourth of October,
Speaker 3: assuming this law well is not suspended.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, it's every single gun, every single long gun,
Speaker 1: until they start adding them to the roster, or they
Speaker 1: amend the law, or they or they come out with
Speaker 1: this grandfathered list of guns that could be sold. But
Speaker 1: either way, it's a piece of legislation or an amendment
Speaker 1: to this legislation that's going to have to be signed,
Speaker 1: or we're just going to have to wait for the
Speaker 1: guns to be added to the roster, which could take years,
Speaker 1: it could take decades, and some manufacturers probably won't even participate.
Speaker 1: So a simple bolt action twenty two I couldn't sell.
Speaker 3: Okay. Is there another state in the country that has
Speaker 3: a law? You view this law as being onerous not
Speaker 3: only to you as the owner of a gun store,
Speaker 3: gun shop, but you also view it as being onerous
Speaker 3: to people who want to come in and purchase a
Speaker 3: weapon from you, and you know you got to do
Speaker 3: a background check on it. And it's not as if
Speaker 3: you're selling stuff out to anybody who comes in have
Speaker 3: you've got to do a background check. I get that.
Speaker 3: Is there any state that has adopted a law, in
Speaker 3: your opinion, as onerous as this law.
Speaker 1: No, we are now in standalone territory in Massachusetts. I
Speaker 1: would say we've competed with the other eight states that
Speaker 1: are what I consider really anti gun in their posture
Speaker 1: towards our lawful gun owners, and California has historically been
Speaker 1: probably the most anti gun. But with that one part
Speaker 1: of the law that I just mentioned, that alone sets
Speaker 1: us apart. There's no other state that's gone to the
Speaker 1: only thing that can kind of compare is when you
Speaker 1: go back to pre Heller in District of Columbia, which
Speaker 1: had an outright there on all handguns that was similar,
Speaker 1: and that Supreme Court ruling said that you can't ban
Speaker 1: guns that are in common and ordinary use. Yet here
Speaker 1: we are in twenty twenty four and the legislature is
Speaker 1: doing just that. So yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3: Case was the Washington, DC case. And then there was
Speaker 3: another case was it McDonald out of Illinois where a
Speaker 3: homeowner wanted to carry a gun and he was told
Speaker 3: even though he was legally licensed, he couldn't carry it
Speaker 3: off his own property. I believe you know a lot
Speaker 3: of the restrictive laws have been shot down by the
Speaker 3: US Supreme Court. Let's take a little bit of a break.
Speaker 3: I want folks to, on whatever side of the issue
Speaker 3: they are, to call in. I remind people that a
Speaker 3: guest on my show is the equivalent of a guest
Speaker 3: in my home. And so whether you agree or disagree
Speaker 3: with my guest, Toby Leary, the co owner of Cape
Speaker 3: Gun Works, please be polite and respectful. The number six
Speaker 3: one seven, two, five four to ten thirty or six
Speaker 3: one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: His group is called the Civil Rights Coalition because they
Speaker 3: view this as a civil right, that their Second Amendment
Speaker 3: rights are being curtailed here in Massachusetts. We'll get into
Speaker 3: the sign that you drive a little bit, and if
Speaker 3: you have any questions, if you want to challenge Toby,
Speaker 3: you're more than welcome and do that. I will be
Speaker 3: the person who will make sure that people call up
Speaker 3: and ask questions. If you want to preface the question
Speaker 3: with a comment, that's not a problem. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, we're not looking for callers to make five
Speaker 3: minute speeches on either side of the issue. We'll be
Speaker 3: back on night Side six one, seven, two, five, four
Speaker 3: to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten
Speaker 3: thirty Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 2: Now, back to Dan Way live from the Window World
Speaker 2: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 4: If you want to protect yourself, get a double barrow shotgun,
Speaker 4: have the shelves a twelve gay shotgun. And I promise you,
Speaker 4: as I told my wife, we live in an area
Speaker 4: that's wooded and somewhat secluded, said Jill. If there's ever
Speaker 4: a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out,
Speaker 4: put that double barrel shotgun and fired to blasts outside
Speaker 4: the house. I promise you, who's ever coming in is
Speaker 4: not going You don't need an AR fifteen.
Speaker 3: Well, that is what we talked about last hour, and
Speaker 3: my producer Rob Brooks was able to find that, Toby,
Speaker 3: you should use that in the commercials to suspend the
Speaker 3: law here in Massachusetts. Here Joe Biden basically advocating and
Speaker 3: you're telling me that under this new law, which goes
Speaker 3: into effect on October twenty fourth, people who do not
Speaker 3: have a double barrel shotgun will not be able to
Speaker 3: buy a double barrow shotgun in Massachusetts. Am I correcting
Speaker 3: in hearing that correctly from you?
Speaker 1: Yes, you're one hundred percent correct. And as I pointed out,
Speaker 1: I believe most of the legislature that voted to this
Speaker 1: bill doesn't even realize that's voted into this bill by
Speaker 1: just the simple redefinition of all pistols, rifles, and shotguns
Speaker 1: as firearms makes them now subject to this approved firearms roster.
Speaker 1: So that is, you know, as I mentioned, the most
Speaker 1: onerous and the most offensive and obviously unconstitutional, and you
Speaker 1: couldn't even argue Dan that. Well, don't worry, because we're
Speaker 1: going to get this roster together that's going to start
Speaker 1: to name the guns that you can buy. Because that
Speaker 1: doesn't play out in the justice system like justice delayed
Speaker 1: is justice denied. If I can't go in and purchase
Speaker 1: and exercise my right to keep them there arms, you're
Speaker 1: delaying my right to keep them there arms, and therefore
Speaker 1: that's my rights being denied. And that's the one thing
Speaker 1: that they never consider when they pass this unconstitutional law.
Speaker 1: Is that, yeah, you might be trying to slow down
Speaker 1: bad guys from get guns, but in the process you're
Speaker 1: slowing down good guys from getting guns, and that's unconstitutional.
Speaker 1: How about we focus on the bad guys.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make that's a novel idea. Have you folks
Speaker 3: in the gun rights groups in Massachusetts have you ever
Speaker 3: ever have you ever done a survey of the great
Speaker 3: in general court, there generally are two hundred they're four
Speaker 3: hundred forty senators and one hundred and sixty members of
Speaker 3: the House of Representatives. What percentage of those individuals do
Speaker 3: you believe have a skin in this game, actually own
Speaker 3: a gun or have ever fired a gun? Do you
Speaker 3: do you have any idea? My suspicion is that it
Speaker 3: would be probably a paltry few.
Speaker 1: It's very few. We I've never surveyed them per se.
Speaker 1: But if you go by the way they voted on
Speaker 1: this bill, it was you know, overwhelming, it's really a
Speaker 1: hyper majority. It's not even a super majority. So the
Speaker 1: any type of thing that's proffered by the the you know,
Speaker 1: President of the Senate or the Speaker of the House,
Speaker 1: people get in line and they and they do it.
Speaker 1: I guess there's a little exception for the people that
Speaker 1: live out in the western part of the state with
Speaker 1: the big hunting community. They're allowed to vote against the
Speaker 1: bill so that they can stay in office.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thats what happens there is they can Yeah, what
Speaker 3: happens there is almost like they get what they called
Speaker 3: the Hall pass. Yeah, it's like, Okay, you can vote
Speaker 3: off on this because we know this will cost you
Speaker 3: your your position, but the next ten tax bills that
Speaker 3: come up, we're counting your vote as a yes. So
Speaker 3: it's it's a big part of a game that is
Speaker 3: that has played up there. And so, yeah, and you
Speaker 3: formed what's called the Civil Rights Coalition because you view
Speaker 3: this as a civil right, a right given to you
Speaker 3: in the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment to the
Speaker 3: United States Constitution. I assume that there would be not
Speaker 3: only an effort to get these signatures. You want to
Speaker 3: get it on the ballot in twenty twenty six, but
Speaker 3: you also hope that you can suspend the law if
Speaker 3: you can get the requisite number of legitimate signatures, which
Speaker 3: is underway now. Later on we'll talk about how people
Speaker 3: can help you with this. But might this all be
Speaker 3: for naught. If all of a sudden, Governor Healy says,
Speaker 3: I'm going to attach now, can she attach sort of
Speaker 3: almost ex post facto and emergency preamble to a bill
Speaker 3: that she signed in July, which to which she did
Speaker 3: not attach an emergency preamble as far as you understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my understanding of it. I mean, early on
Speaker 1: there was some confusion about if she was going to
Speaker 1: do it, did she have thirty days, ninety days? And
Speaker 1: now the Secretary of the Commonwealth has informed us that
Speaker 1: she could literally do it all the way up to
Speaker 1: the day before the twenty twenty sixth election. And so
Speaker 1: if that's the case, I find that incredibly ironic, Dan,
Speaker 1: that the governor, who is a member of the Democrat
Speaker 1: Party that you know, constantly pounds the pulpit and says that,
Speaker 1: you know, everything is a threat to democracy, when here,
Speaker 1: under Article forty eight of the Massachusetts Constitution, we have
Speaker 1: this provision for the people to get involved if they
Speaker 1: don't agree with the bill that has been asked by
Speaker 1: the legislature, to take back their rights and basically suspend
Speaker 1: the bill. I find that to be incredibly ironic. If
Speaker 1: somebody who who wants to, you know, make sure that
Speaker 1: they don't get in the way of democracy. Then goes
Speaker 1: and gets in the way of democracy when you know,
Speaker 1: we get fifty or seventy or one hundred thousand people
Speaker 1: in the state saying, hey, let let's let let's do
Speaker 1: something that you wouldn't allow us to do, which is
Speaker 1: have an actual conversation. See what's actually in the bill.
Speaker 1: Because this came out of conference committee on July sixteenth,
Speaker 1: was passed into law July seventeenth by the Senate and
Speaker 1: the House, and then signed into law by Governor Heey
Speaker 1: on the twenty third. It was less than a week later,
Speaker 1: So it wasn't even twenty four hours from when it
Speaker 1: came out of conference committee to when it was signed.
Speaker 3: For all of you, for all of the the molasses
Speaker 3: like progress that occurs up at the State House on
Speaker 3: so many good pieces of legislation. When they want to
Speaker 3: get something passed overnight, it gets done. It always can
Speaker 3: get done. It has to be very frustrating. So you're
Speaker 3: basically trying to set up two things here. One, if
Speaker 3: you can get forty nine thousand signatures by October twenty third,
Speaker 3: actually you need to get them well before because they
Speaker 3: have to be certified at local town halls and city halls.
Speaker 3: We get that. If you get the requisite number of signatures,
Speaker 3: you might get this bill suspended for a period of time.
Speaker 3: But even if the governor were to issue an emergency preamble,
Speaker 3: you still hope to get this on the vallot in
Speaker 3: front of voters in the next general election, not this November,
Speaker 3: but November of twenty twenty six. Correct.
Speaker 1: Correct, And that's a very important point because number One,
Speaker 1: it'll give the people the ability to look at what
Speaker 1: has been passed. It'll give us two years to talk
Speaker 1: about it, to explain the type of thing, like we
Speaker 1: just talked about, that their rights have been violated. And also,
Speaker 1: here's something that a lot of people don't know, like
Speaker 1: when the legislature raised their right hand and swore to
Speaker 1: protect the Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic,
Speaker 1: and then conspire behind closed doors in their conference committees
Speaker 1: or in their you know, whatever departments they're in, and
Speaker 1: then they walk in and they become the enemy of
Speaker 1: the Constitution and pass this law. There's nothing in the
Speaker 1: Constitution that gives them the privilege to violate your right
Speaker 1: of any kind. And so, you know, That's something that
Speaker 1: no one's really talking about. Is you can't point to
Speaker 1: anywhere in the founding documents in the state Constitution or
Speaker 1: the or the founding the Federal Constitution where it says
Speaker 1: they have the privilege to violate your rights.
Speaker 3: In fact, and of course you will. You always have
Speaker 3: the opportunity to try to go into court. And again
Speaker 3: that's that's cumber Cinema can be expensive, but there are
Speaker 3: some other opportunities. My guest is Toby Leary. He's the
Speaker 3: co owner of Cape Gun Works. He is here not
Speaker 3: in the capacity as the owner of Cape Gun Works.
Speaker 3: He's here in this capacity and his position with the
Speaker 3: Civil Rights Coalition, which is attempting to gather there's a
Speaker 3: forty nine thousand legitimate signatures between now and sometime in
Speaker 3: early October to suspend this piece of legislation, which Toby
Speaker 3: and others see as extraordinarily onerous. We'll take a break,
Speaker 3: got the news coming up, and we're going to go
Speaker 3: right to phone calls on the other side, So light
Speaker 3: them up. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
Speaker 3: or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. My
Speaker 3: name is Dan Ray. Whatever your point of view, you're
Speaker 3: more than welcome coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 2: It's night Side with Ray Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3: My guest is Toby Larry, co owner of Cape Gun Works,
Speaker 3: and his website is the Civil Rights Coalition. If folks
Speaker 3: want to get more information, Uh what is the actual addresses,
Speaker 3: it's simply the Civil Rights Coalition all one word dot org.
Speaker 3: What's what's the address?
Speaker 1: It's the Civil Rights Coalition dot com. And there's another
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and there's another site which is fight Back
Speaker 1: m a dot org and they're both very similar. But
Speaker 1: the fight back and a dot org site is one
Speaker 1: that was created first as kind of a shorter term
Speaker 1: website to get us through the ballot initiative and the
Speaker 1: signature drive and the Civil Rights Coalition dot com one
Speaker 1: is the longer end goal in place for getting us
Speaker 1: all the way to election day.
Speaker 3: Okay, in twenty twenty six, let's get to the phones.
Speaker 3: Let me go to bucking in Boston. Tony Buck, how
Speaker 3: are you tonight?
Speaker 1: Hey? Really good?
Speaker 5: And Toby, I really appreciate your work and I'm nobody
Speaker 5: that's nice night sight. No, no, no, I just wanted
Speaker 5: to say that I enjoyed going to his place. All right,
Speaker 5: Why did you ask, and here's what I.
Speaker 1: Have to say.
Speaker 5: I've been associated with guns since the early sixties as
Speaker 5: a boy scoup. I've had shotguns and long long twenty
Speaker 5: two rifles, of course, And so I don't have one
Speaker 5: now because my wife doesn't want it. Okay, I gave
Speaker 5: it to my cousin. But here's my point from what
Speaker 5: Toby is saying. Okay, it feels motivating to get a
Speaker 5: shotgun now, Okay, I mean, that's my feeling, not going
Speaker 5: to do it, but it really bothers me that we
Speaker 5: have such a legislation like that. And I apologize, Dan,
Speaker 5: I didn't mean to, uh, you know, say anything untoured.
Speaker 1: Okay, nobody, but please.
Speaker 3: Don't use my show to advertise other talk shows. Okay.
Speaker 3: People used to call up on the morning to talk
Speaker 3: about this guy who's on this program. It just, you
Speaker 3: know what, it's something that that insults me professionally.
Speaker 5: It's as simple as though, I'm sorry, you know, I
Speaker 5: never wanted to assault you.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: You're the best, Okay.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're you are supportive of Toby's efforts if
Speaker 3: you need a shotgun, I think if I'm if I'm
Speaker 3: hearing what Toby's saying, you need to go out and
Speaker 3: get yourself a shotgun before October twenty first, soby what
Speaker 3: advice would you give Buck?
Speaker 5: My wife.
Speaker 3: I don't want to interfere in your marriage relationship, but
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Seven years a wonderful marriage.
Speaker 3: Well, then then don't get a shotgun. You heard the
Speaker 3: President of the United States we just played Joe Biden
Speaker 3: telling his wife. Sure you know so, I don't know
Speaker 3: what other endorsement you would want. You want to play
Speaker 3: that again, so Buck can hear it and and play
Speaker 3: and tell his wife about this rob hit hit President
Speaker 3: Biden one more time. And if those getting.
Speaker 4: Double barrel shotgun have the shells at twelve game shotgun.
Speaker 4: And I promise you, as I told my wife, we
Speaker 4: live in an area that's wooded and somewhat secluded, said Jill.
Speaker 4: If there's ever a problem, just walk out on the
Speaker 4: balcony here, walk out, put that double barrel shotgun and
Speaker 4: fired to blasts outside the house. I promise you was
Speaker 4: ever coming in is not going You don't need a
Speaker 4: AR fifteen.
Speaker 3: Okay, play that for your wife. Appreciate the call, Buck,
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Much, appreciate, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 3: Bye, great night. Let me go next to us. Suzanne
Speaker 3: is in Newton. Suzanne, how are you tonight? Welcome?
Speaker 6: Well, thank you for taking by call. I haven't always
Speaker 6: lived in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. But let me say,
Speaker 6: if you don't come, the deer population and the fall,
Speaker 6: they will starve. As a kid in summer camp in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 6: I got my Mark Marksmanship medal by shooting live bullets
Speaker 6: and to a target. So I believe Massachusetts should get with.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh, you support, your support, what you support what Toby
Speaker 3: is trying to do. Suzanne. I appreciate your support, appreciate
Speaker 3: your call. Thank you very much. Let me keep rolling here,
Speaker 3: going to go to Joe and Salem. Uh, I assume
Speaker 3: it's Salem, Massachusetts.
Speaker 5: Jo, go right ahead, Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 8: Ass Hey, I'm not a gun owner, but I'm not
Speaker 8: anti guy I set when I was a kid. And
Speaker 8: uh and I uh, you know friend that friends of
Speaker 8: supports shoot good friends and relatives. And I actually do
Speaker 8: some business with the gun manufacturer manufacturing. But I hadn't
Speaker 8: really heard of this law until now, and a little confused.
Speaker 8: But all what you were saying earlier, one hand, I
Speaker 8: heard you can't get it own a double barrel gun
Speaker 8: come next month.
Speaker 5: Then I heard it.
Speaker 8: I mean double barrel shotguns that I heard. You can't
Speaker 8: have any shotguns or any right bles, what exactly this banning?
Speaker 8: Because it's I've been listening for a while and it's
Speaker 8: kind of confusing to me.
Speaker 3: Well, go ahead, Toby, why don't you take that's a
Speaker 3: good question. We want to clarify the great question. Thank
Speaker 3: you for that question. Joe. You're the best caller of
Speaker 3: the night so far, go ahead, go ahead of you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, to be to be clear, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you can't own them. It just means going forward, you
Speaker 1: can't buy them until either the new roster comes out
Speaker 1: where they amend the law, and that roster could literally
Speaker 1: take years to come out because there's so many long
Speaker 1: guns like like, for instance, the Remington eight seventy shotgun.
Speaker 1: It's like the shot gun to get if you're a
Speaker 1: hunter or a home defense It's just a very versatile,
Speaker 1: all around shotgun. I'll no longer be able to sell
Speaker 1: it until it's either added to a specific state approved
Speaker 1: weapons roster after various testing is done by the manufacturers
Speaker 1: at an independent testing lab just to make sure it's
Speaker 1: safe for the resident of Massachusetts to buy which when
Speaker 1: all of this legislation which goes back to nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: eight about the approved Weapons Roster was passed, if you
Speaker 1: look at like Freedom and Information Act questions, it was
Speaker 1: all done to just be a backdoor gun ban and
Speaker 1: to just slow down people from being able to purchase guns.
Speaker 1: And the same is now going to apply to long
Speaker 1: guns as it applied to handguns in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are sorely disappointed when they come
Speaker 1: to the gun shop and they've done their research. The
Speaker 1: friends from other states that said, hey, this is a
Speaker 1: good gun, look at it, go check it out. They
Speaker 1: do their homework, and they come in to buy it,
Speaker 1: and we don't have it on the shelf because we
Speaker 1: can't legally sell it. So that's really what's about to
Speaker 1: happen on the twenty fourth.
Speaker 6: Because.
Speaker 8: What exactly is what clagger ice is the long gun.
Speaker 8: So you you've mentioned one specific Remiican just you know,
Speaker 8: I'm not anti guys. I actually probably does business for everything,
Speaker 8: but but I'm.
Speaker 1: Not only every question.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you talking about a certain model, I mean you talk.
Speaker 8: To be honest, I'm a little skeptical that all shotguns
Speaker 8: all I mean, you won't be the buy I want
Speaker 8: to ask you in a month. They won't be able
Speaker 8: to buy any rifles in a month.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 8: I mean maybe that is true, but I haven't heard
Speaker 8: that much about this. That's why I'm surprised, That's all
Speaker 8: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what is a lot to answer your question,
Speaker 3: Joe will give him a chance, go ahead.
Speaker 1: It's because a lot of media, unlike Dan here, are
Speaker 1: allowing to paint. Uh. You know, let the spotlight of
Speaker 1: truth be shined upon this law that has passed and
Speaker 1: you didn't hear anything about it because it was done
Speaker 1: in darkness, and it was done behind closed doors. The
Speaker 1: entire process was behind closed doors. And so basically, a
Speaker 1: long gun is anything that's not a handgun, something you'd
Speaker 1: put on your shoulder to pull, you know, to brace
Speaker 1: the gun. You have four points of contact, your strong
Speaker 1: hand that pulls the trigger, your support hand that braces
Speaker 1: the gun, and then your stock, which seats in your shoulder,
Speaker 1: and then your cheek which mounts to the stock. So
Speaker 1: that's basically the definition of a long gun. But we
Speaker 1: haven't even got to the broader implications of this law,
Speaker 1: which are really focusing in on semi automatic rifles, which
Speaker 1: has basically banned ninety nine percent of all semi automatic
Speaker 1: rifles with a detachable magazine from being sold in Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: so including hunting style guns and if they have a
Speaker 1: pistol grip, et cetera. So it comes down to a
Speaker 1: bunch of features. But yeah, so right now, as of
Speaker 1: October twenty fourth, if we don't get this bill suspended,
Speaker 1: the only thing I'll be able to sell in my
Speaker 1: shop is some of the handguns that I can currently sell.
Speaker 1: Right now, all.
Speaker 3: Right, gentlemen, we're past my break, Joe. We're going to
Speaker 3: give the website that you can check on and get
Speaker 3: more information and get involved if you want. But for now,
Speaker 3: I got to take a break. I got to let
Speaker 3: you go. We will give the website in our concluding segment.
Speaker 3: We'll be back with more phone calls for my guest,
Speaker 3: Toby Lary, co owner of Cape Gun Works. He represents
Speaker 3: the Civil Rights Coalition dot com here in Massachusetts, which
Speaker 3: says that a law which is about to go into
Speaker 3: effects signed by the governor in July is onerous, burdensome,
Speaker 3: and arguably unconstitutional. Back on Night Side, Final Caller, and
Speaker 3: we'll wrap it up right after this break.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 2: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: We only have a scan a few minutes left. I'm
Speaker 3: going to go to JJ and Winchester. To JJ, please
Speaker 3: get right to whatever question of comment you'd like to make.
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 7: Yes, thank you. So I would just say I always
Speaker 7: side on the expansion of rights because I'm a libertarian,
Speaker 7: and I'm very skeptical when you get the leader of
Speaker 7: the so called free world, most powerful government in the world,
Speaker 7: says you don't need blank, I don't care what he
Speaker 7: thinks I need. It's really not his job to limit choice.
Speaker 7: I'm all about freedom of choice. I'm not for government
Speaker 7: trying to make it more difficult through backdoor.
Speaker 3: Luca, fully, we fully understand that you're a libertarian, and
Speaker 3: I know you well well. The reason I was using
Speaker 3: the Joe Biden SoundBite is the gun that he's advising
Speaker 3: his wife to use. People in Massachusetts after October twenty
Speaker 3: fourth may not be able to purchase that very same gun.
Speaker 3: A little ironic there, I like irony.
Speaker 7: Very ironic, very ironic. I don't I don't you know,
Speaker 7: trust any state or federal government that wants to make
Speaker 7: it more difficult.
Speaker 3: I want to focus on JJ. I'm trying to focus
Speaker 3: on this issue tonight. Uh and I'm frankly flat out
Speaker 3: of time, so I'm going to let you go. I
Speaker 3: understand the broader point that you've made. I know how
Speaker 3: you feel and I and I respect it. Toby. What
Speaker 3: thanks JJ. Give us the websites where people can go
Speaker 3: to get more information. I mean, I think that that
Speaker 3: the breadth of this legislation is is expansive. And yeah, look,
Speaker 3: there are there are rules. I don't want criminals carrying guns.
Speaker 3: I don't want people who have mental illness carrying guns,
Speaker 3: no question. Okay, However, this to me is a very
Speaker 3: expansive bill. They got it through the legislature because they
Speaker 3: can throw in anything they want. What can people do
Speaker 3: to help you in this campaign? Give them the websites, Toby.
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent. Thank you Dan for your
Speaker 1: time tonight. The website is fight back dot org and
Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Coalition dot com. You can go there
Speaker 1: and see about all this legislation, find a petition site.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to report we have over seven hundred volunteers
Speaker 1: spread out throughout the state and there's about sixty six businesses.
Speaker 1: You can sign daily a petition if you haven't signed it,
Speaker 1: and you can get involved in taking your rights back
Speaker 1: and part of the constitutional process. I think the people
Speaker 1: who've called tonight who aren't gun owners are waking up
Speaker 1: to see that their rights have been eroded by people
Speaker 1: who violated their oath of office. And that's what we're
Speaker 1: here to do is restore our rights in Massachusetts and
Speaker 1: fight BACKMA dot org, the Civil Rights Coalition dot com.
Speaker 1: You can always come down at Cape Gunworks and see
Speaker 1: me too. I'll be happy to talk to you and
Speaker 1: you know, answer any other questions you might have.
Speaker 3: Well, Toby, thanks for joining us tonight, and we'll keep
Speaker 3: we'll try to keep on top of this and if
Speaker 3: we need to bring someone on from the other side
Speaker 3: and have a debate, we'll bring you back as well.
Speaker 3: Toby Leary Er Gunworks, the Civil Rights Coalition dot com,
Speaker 3: fight BACKMA dot org. Information to get on nightside is
Speaker 3: always going to be complete and accurate. This is a
Speaker 3: very very ambitious piece of legislation which has already passed
Speaker 3: and signed and signed by the governor here in Massachusetts. Again, Toby,
Speaker 3: appreciate your time. When we get back. We're going to
Speaker 3: talk about the origins of the mafia, and I think
Speaker 3: all of us understand the mafia, but no one understands
Speaker 3: it better than my guest coming up. His name is
Speaker 3: Lewis Ferrante. He spent years in prison after refusing to
Speaker 3: incriminate fellow Gambino family members. Will take you deep into
Speaker 3: the mafia right after the ten o'clock news here on Nightside.