Speaker 1: What is up, fellasicos. I am Dan Favalley coming at
Speaker 1: you with our annual buy or Sell the biggest Takeaways
Speaker 1: from NBA Summer League. Coming at You delayed this year
Speaker 1: for two good reasons. One, I have a guest on
Speaker 1: who's not grant first time. Yes, Stephen Gillespie of no
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Speaker 1: h E n G h O O p S. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much Steven for coming on. This is also
Speaker 1: delayed though, because Lebron just doesn't care about our Summer
Speaker 1: League takeaways schedule.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, First off, shout out Lebron James for keeping
Speaker 2: the whole basketball community hostage. Hopefully this is the last
Speaker 2: time we ever have to worry about anything like that.
Speaker 3: But Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: You know, I see it on your shirt and you
Speaker 2: introduced you know that we're doing this for the sickos.
Speaker 2: It's it's so fitting that you're having me on because
Speaker 2: over at No Ceilings, my co host Jam and I
Speaker 2: we do a podcast and we are known as the
Speaker 2: draft sickos, So this just felt like it was kind
Speaker 2: of meant to be that we were going to be
Speaker 2: doing a show together. Man. But happy to be here,
Speaker 2: happy to talk summer League, and glad that we're starting this,
Speaker 2: you know, basketball relationship between the two of us.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see how the show goes and
Speaker 2: what the future holds for just us two kind of
Speaker 2: draft renegades here, but.
Speaker 1: I have enough of don't call me a draft run again.
Speaker 1: I chop her in for like a couple months a
Speaker 1: year on the guys who really gets to the NBA.
Speaker 1: But yes, I've been following no ceilings for a while,
Speaker 1: of course, and then you and Iron locked on knicks
Speaker 1: together and you were kind of to come on, let
Speaker 1: me pick your brain about rookies and sophomores, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna play buy or sell with me. I'm always I
Speaker 1: love when people are down to do that. So are
Speaker 1: you ready to get started?
Speaker 2: I could not be more ready, Dan, And I know
Speaker 2: I told you this on the side. I'd be remiss
Speaker 2: if I didn't mention it here on the pod while
Speaker 2: we're recording, But you sent me the outline for the show,
Speaker 2: and I was looking at this and I got super jealous. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm like, how in the world did we never think
Speaker 2: to do something like this? Like I responded back to you,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Dan, I'm so excited to be
Speaker 2: on the show because this might be my most favorite
Speaker 2: line of questioning that I've ever been asked as a
Speaker 2: guest on somebody else's show.
Speaker 3: So I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: Dude, your Venmo's on the way. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, Yeah, if you need me to, you know,
Speaker 2: spell the characters out so you can send that my way.
Speaker 3: Whatever you need to talk about it after.
Speaker 1: Well, you were much too conder, especially because the outline
Speaker 1: came late because again Lebron James. But we're gonna start
Speaker 1: with some of the top picks, and I'm interested. I
Speaker 1: just I would love to know your general thoughts on
Speaker 1: any of these guys. If you have ones that you
Speaker 1: don't think people have noticed or deviate from consensus, you
Speaker 1: could feel free to say that the buyer sell is
Speaker 1: stupid too. I always appreciate those as well. We will
Speaker 1: begin with the first overall pick in the draft. AJ
Speaker 1: debantsa my buyer cell. I have two buyer sells for
Speaker 1: him obviously because of who he is. My first buyer,
Speaker 1: cell is, do you buy, buy or sell that he
Speaker 1: will be more of a defensive playmaker in the NBA
Speaker 1: than he was in college, because that was one of
Speaker 1: my biggest concerns again during the minimal prep I did
Speaker 1: before the draft, and then it felt like he was
Speaker 1: just making coming up with more of those stocks for
Speaker 1: sure in general during during his brief summer lea extint,
Speaker 1: but also just more active defensively in general. Do you
Speaker 1: see that being a realistic equilibrium for him to strike
Speaker 1: at the NBA level.
Speaker 2: Dan, I'm buying it because listen when Jam and I
Speaker 2: when we do we do like these segmented like previews
Speaker 2: for the season where we talk about you know, incoming freshmen, returners,
Speaker 2: different position groups and all those things. When we were
Speaker 2: doing our freshman preview for this you know, this past year,
Speaker 2: I picked aj Debantsa to be one of the best
Speaker 2: perimeter defenders in all of college basketball. Now, it didn't
Speaker 2: work out that way for him at BYU, and that's
Speaker 2: for a number of different reasons. But if you watch
Speaker 2: the high school tape, and a lot of NBA teams
Speaker 2: will tell you that the.
Speaker 3: High school film does matter.
Speaker 2: It's not just the one season sample size at their school,
Speaker 2: you know, their collegiate school that they went to that
Speaker 2: dictates the future of these players.
Speaker 3: High school still matters.
Speaker 2: And when you watched when Aj was engaged, or when
Speaker 2: you watch him in like USA film or FIABA film
Speaker 2: or whatever, he would be locked in on the defensive
Speaker 2: end and his size. If he is locked in like
Speaker 2: he can be, I think that he can generate those
Speaker 2: stocks that we did see at Summer League. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure we're going to talk about this, you know, with
Speaker 2: the team construct and who else Washington has on this roster.
Speaker 2: The fact that AJ's not going to have to like
Speaker 2: shoulder the creative load at Washington like he had to
Speaker 2: do at BYU with Richie Saunders getting hurt in the
Speaker 2: other cast of characters that he kind of had to
Speaker 2: to kind of like during along if you will over
Speaker 2: at BYU. I think he's gonna have the latitude to
Speaker 2: be able to sell out a little bit more on
Speaker 2: the defensive end, and I think that's going to make
Speaker 2: it more impactful on that side of the floor.
Speaker 1: You mentioned him not having to be the primary creator,
Speaker 1: which I think leads into my next buy or sell
Speaker 1: with him, which is buy or sell him being a
Speaker 1: league average three point shooter out of the gate one
Speaker 1: of my biggest questions, and I just I'm a big
Speaker 1: believer in if you're a young team or you've a
Speaker 1: top prospect, there's value in streamlining, simplifying their role by
Speaker 1: having maybe someone who can handle the primary workload and
Speaker 1: they can do a lot of the secondary stuff. Trey
Speaker 1: Young feels like he might veer too far in towards
Speaker 1: the ball dominant direction, but I'm just curious how you feel.
Speaker 1: I guess about what ag is going to look like
Speaker 1: offensively on the Wizards in general, knowing he probably won't
Speaker 1: have the ball nearly as much as he did at
Speaker 1: BYU or even in Summer League, but also what you
Speaker 1: make of the three point accuracy overall, because that was
Speaker 1: one of the things that probably came away one of
Speaker 1: the only things I came away disappointed from based on
Speaker 1: what I had seen from him in summer league.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of different things that you could look
Speaker 2: at as to how much we should hold on to
Speaker 2: one season of college basketball determining, like how effective a
Speaker 2: player is going to be as a three point shooter
Speaker 2: once they get to the NBA. I actually did during
Speaker 2: Steph Castle's draft year because he was my number one
Speaker 2: prospect when he came out of his draft class. I
Speaker 2: actually did a piece on how much the shoot this
Speaker 2: three point shooting matter for the development of number one picks.
Speaker 2: And I went through and did a lot of data digging.
Speaker 2: I made charts and grafts for people who love those
Speaker 2: visual representations of how players improve over time.
Speaker 1: And dude, so you're saying Kevin Durant did not read it?
Speaker 2: What you're saying, Kevin Durant did not read well, maybe
Speaker 2: he did. I don't know. You know, I would never
Speaker 2: sell out whatever he does on the internet like some
Speaker 2: other people have to do over time. You know, Okadi,
Speaker 2: your seekers are safe with me. But people just get
Speaker 2: better at shooting over time in the NBA, Like these
Speaker 2: dudes are like top top tier athletes. And if you look,
Speaker 2: I even wrote a piece over at No Silings NBA
Speaker 2: dot com about Ajdavans and how far along, how much
Speaker 2: further ahead he is at his player type, you know.
Speaker 2: And I did research with Jimmy Butler, you know, Jalen Brown,
Speaker 2: like a whole bunch of these like power wings and
Speaker 2: forwards that kind of fit that ajdadvanced archetype. And he's
Speaker 2: so far ahead of where those dudes were in their
Speaker 2: draft year Dan that I just kind of hit I'm
Speaker 2: hitting the I believe button that he's gonna get better
Speaker 2: because we do see touch indicators in the mid range,
Speaker 2: the level of difficulty in which he can hit those shots,
Speaker 2: free throw percentage, the willingness to take three point shots
Speaker 2: actually is a good indicator of like how good these
Speaker 2: guys are going to be moving forward as well. So
Speaker 2: I'm buying that he's going to be a better three
Speaker 2: point shooter than whatever those numbers were be YU this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was at like thirty three percent
Speaker 1: or whatever. And like the role difficulty I think is
Speaker 1: a big one. And he even as like the what
Speaker 1: will he land in Washington's pecking order, maybe two or three,
Speaker 1: he'll probably still average like eight free throws p thirty
Speaker 1: six minutes. That's the other people did not undersell his
Speaker 1: ability to get to the pre throw line at will.
Speaker 1: He's just like he goes through guys, He goes around guys.
Speaker 1: It's it's insane. And he's listed at six', eight six' nine.
Speaker 2: Sixty nine he could still, be growing.
Speaker 1: Right he look he looks like he might be. Seven
Speaker 1: foot he's one of those guys that came, with whoa
Speaker 1: he's way BIGGER that. I thought, he was just way
Speaker 1: bigger than. He listed when then. He's listed, Excuse, Me.
Speaker 3: YEAH and i think that there's something.
Speaker 2: To that, you know if you do what, we do
Speaker 2: eventually you do see clips of players on social media,
Speaker 2: and STUFF and aj kind of, funnily enough he admitted that,
Speaker 2: he flops, you know like it is a is a
Speaker 2: necessary part OF. Today's nba if you're going to be
Speaker 2: an offensive engine and if you're going to show her a,
Speaker 2: scoring load it's a. Learned skill like every even your,
Speaker 2: favorite player your favorite best player IN, the nba they.
Speaker 2: Do it you KNOW what. I mean it's a.
Speaker 3: Necessary Evil.
Speaker 1: Darren peterson speaking, OF people I said aj looked bigger
Speaker 1: than he. Was Listed, DARREN peterson i came away think
Speaker 1: he looks a little smaller than. He's, listed okay. My
Speaker 1: question he was one of the people and you had also.
Speaker 1: Mentioned this we're saying high school. Tape MATTERS when i
Speaker 1: was talking about him or thinking, about him a lot
Speaker 1: of smart draft people said you need to watch the high,
Speaker 1: school tape so very minimum OF it i, could see
Speaker 1: like the athletic pop, ON ball i FEEL like i didn't,
Speaker 1: see it as he could do a lot of things.
Speaker 1: On ball in, summer league it did like A ton
Speaker 1: he was a better PASSER than i was. Expecting to
Speaker 1: i'm Still just i'm not SURE where i land on
Speaker 1: the on ball athleticism or thrust. With him And so
Speaker 1: i'm going to ask you to buy or sell the
Speaker 1: Idea That darren peterson's on, ball athleticism ability to create
Speaker 1: separation or whatever. Is OVERRATED am i jumping the?
Speaker 2: Shark here i'm going to respectfully sell To WHERE and
Speaker 2: i know where we're going with the next part of.
Speaker 2: This TOO so i do think it is kind of
Speaker 2: like threading a needle here. TO where i do think
Speaker 2: that he does give you good on, ball juice. YOU
Speaker 2: know i think that there is a good portion of
Speaker 2: him that where you can trust him on the ball
Speaker 2: to blow pass players and stuff. Like that if you
Speaker 2: get him on these like, stampede actions, you know running
Speaker 2: off of screens away from, the ball you can trust
Speaker 2: him to do a bunch of. Different things and watching
Speaker 2: him at summer league, you know he did do some
Speaker 2: some very good you know on ball creation and.
Speaker 3: That respect now with that.
Speaker 2: Being said i'm not gonna sit here and tell you
Speaker 2: that he should be like a lead lead guard or anything.
Speaker 2: LIKE that i think it's great that he's going to
Speaker 2: a Team Where keyontae george is going to be able
Speaker 2: to kind of like assist in. That nature but the
Speaker 2: other Aspects Of darren peterson's game are just flat. Out
Speaker 2: special he was my number one prospect on my BOARD
Speaker 2: because i do think that he does have, creation ability
Speaker 2: but he has such an easy shot, as well, you
Speaker 2: know like the thing is just butter as he's. Shooting
Speaker 2: IT and i like his defensive tools. As well and
Speaker 2: for all the, you know extracurricular conversations that happened with him.
Speaker 2: This year Dan if if this Year, at kansas which
Speaker 2: was not a, great ecosystem he was one of only
Speaker 2: two players on the team that shot over thirty five
Speaker 2: percent from deep, this year and his coach didn't have
Speaker 2: his back like throughout most of. The season to put,
Speaker 2: it nicely, if shooting if scoring twenty points per game
Speaker 2: on forty forty eighty is like a bad year, for
Speaker 2: him then there's a lot of goodness to look Forward To.
Speaker 1: WITH peterson i have no notes on the shooting or the.
Speaker 1: Floater specifically he's able to get those things. Off quickly
Speaker 1: my other buyer sell. WITH him i don't have two.
Speaker 1: FOR everybody, i, promise well you KNOW that i take
Speaker 1: you to the outline try or sell him being a
Speaker 1: better table Setter Than donovan mitchell as his. Career outcome
Speaker 1: i'm going to.
Speaker 2: Push that you know you SAID that i can kind
Speaker 2: of of teeter. Between that i'm gonna cheat a little
Speaker 2: bit here as the first Time guess i'm. GONNA push
Speaker 2: i think that he can be, as good which for
Speaker 2: what he can do as, A score i think. IS
Speaker 2: awesome i think you picked an excellent like over under
Speaker 2: in terms of you of how you want to classify
Speaker 2: him as. A playmaker if you would have did like
Speaker 2: just a half, step down it's an. Easy Buy But
Speaker 2: donovan mitchell is known as a score first guy with
Speaker 2: good on, ball, Juice RIGHT but I just i think
Speaker 2: that he's more wired as a as. A score so
Speaker 2: if he is able to read and understand like the
Speaker 2: pressure that he can apply and how much attention that's
Speaker 2: going to attract from away from the defender of. HIS
Speaker 2: teammates i think that he can be just as effective
Speaker 2: on the ball in every in every aspect as as
Speaker 2: who are we? Talking about who We're Talking? Donovan, mitchell,
Speaker 2: thanks yeah sorry. ABOUT that I completely i completely.
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Speaker 1: Now back to. The Show cam boozer has been a
Speaker 1: fascinating prospect for me PERSONALLY because i read and heard
Speaker 1: a lot about HIM before i really dug in and.
Speaker 1: Watched him so my opinion of him was not the greatest,
Speaker 1: going in and then when you start to, WATCH him i,
Speaker 1: came away, blown away and summerly didn't change that. For
Speaker 1: me and so the worst buy or sell on him
Speaker 1: is buy or sell him being able to play or
Speaker 1: provide more defensive pressure on the perimeter or even be
Speaker 1: used as a day facto three than most. People THINK
Speaker 1: and i understand that's probably like a vague way of,
Speaker 1: putting IT but i think a lot, of people, myself
Speaker 1: included initially where he's just this one, position guy especially
Speaker 1: on the, defensive end where he might even be like
Speaker 1: a half positioned guy. Or something and seeing Him In
Speaker 1: summer league Where the grizzlies did do a lot of
Speaker 1: pressing and everyone's gonna remember the pick six he Had
Speaker 1: On caleb wilson in, THAT game i was, just like
Speaker 1: what ELSE am i just gonna learn about this GUY that,
Speaker 1: i like we're Gonna have my opinion of Completely flipped.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna and this may not shock some people if
Speaker 2: they listen to ANYTHING that i do the, Draft coverage
Speaker 2: i'm gonna. SELL it i still am skeptical of the
Speaker 2: perimeter defense With. Cam, Booser now i'll tell You that
Speaker 2: i'm gonna buy the offensive use that he has on,
Speaker 2: the BALL and i feel much more comfortable than what
Speaker 2: my projection of him was Coming Into summer league on.
Speaker 2: That end but on the, DEFENSIVE end i still think
Speaker 2: that against the elite wings that he's going to have
Speaker 2: to go up against on a, night in night out
Speaker 2: basis IN, THE nba i think that he's still going
Speaker 2: to have so much room to grow on, that END
Speaker 2: where i feel much more comfortable with him being a
Speaker 2: four on both ends of. The, floor now can he
Speaker 2: like show and recover and, you, know scramble recover all these? Different,
Speaker 2: Things sure but in terms of like going and guarding
Speaker 2: the best players IN, the nba which typically do play that,
Speaker 2: Three position i'm still a little bit more skeptical.
Speaker 3: Of that.
Speaker 1: What would you need just around him with To try
Speaker 1: campbooser at? The five like who would have to be
Speaker 1: his ideal front? Court Partner Does aaron Gordon Healthy aaron
Speaker 1: gordon Or og ananobi even do it or does it
Speaker 1: need to be.
Speaker 2: SOMEONE else i think you have to have like both of.
Speaker 3: THOSE guys i think that it's GONNA and.
Speaker 2: I mean this would love. YOU know i, Never like
Speaker 2: i'm never one of the people who are.
Speaker 3: Like this guy's like wash the bomb.
Speaker 2: Or WHATEVER but i think that you have to have
Speaker 2: a team just completely complimented with. SWITCHABLE people, i think,
Speaker 2: you know Like A columbary Boils for toronto would be.
Speaker 2: The ideal oh sort of a player that you would
Speaker 2: want to put next to him to where they. Can
Speaker 2: swap and there's the ATHLETICISM that cnb Has that i'm
Speaker 2: not Quite sure cam is going to have that like
Speaker 2: vertical pop to. His game that's going to be required
Speaker 2: for him to contest the significantly larger people that he.
Speaker 3: Has to go.
Speaker 2: Up against and he looks like he lost weight too For,
Speaker 2: summer league which is great for him to do more,
Speaker 2: Perimeter stuff but if you're asking him to play full, TIME
Speaker 2: five i think that he went in the wrong direction
Speaker 2: in terms of The weight.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna i've not been giving my own opinion. ON
Speaker 1: it I think i might buy the. DEFENSE part i
Speaker 1: DON'T think i don't want him to be, a THREE
Speaker 1: but i think he might be able to provide more
Speaker 1: pressure up. Top consistently summer league. Pilled though they say
Speaker 1: don't read too much in the, summer league and HERE
Speaker 1: here i am doing.
Speaker 2: Just that you're only supposed to do it if it
Speaker 2: supports whatever agenda that you have correct the.
Speaker 3: Player's, PERFORMANCE right i.
Speaker 1: Need to start coming up with stats and statistical models
Speaker 1: that only prove, my AGENDAS because i feel like that's
Speaker 1: that's also a BIG key.
Speaker 2: I whatever we need to do to make that. Happen
Speaker 2: again we'll name it.
Speaker 1: Boozer too they're all named, after players, now right name.
Speaker 1: It boozer just got to come up with an acronym. For.
Speaker 2: IT yeah i love the ones that are named After,
Speaker 2: Like darko, like, yeah like why is there a stat named.
Speaker 1: After dark THAT'S how i. Feel like that's how you
Speaker 1: know it's probably like as accurate as a catchup can
Speaker 1: be is if it's named after a forget About the
Speaker 1: lebron all the. People drink, these stats by, the way,
Speaker 1: are great but Forget about Lebron or raptor Or there's, Draymond,
Speaker 1: right uh There was. Carmelo too at ONE point i
Speaker 1: think that fell by, The way but there Was a carmelo.
Speaker 2: We need Like a gimmer or At the beat or.
Speaker 2: Something something, it's like the name is so great that
Speaker 2: you know you can.
Speaker 3: Trust it what.
Speaker 1: Would a hoizonia stat be since he's coming back TO,
Speaker 1: the nba what would? That, MEASURE yeah.
Speaker 2: I, don't know maybe on offs from INTERNATIONAL, To, nba,
Speaker 2: like yeah how that translates the?
Speaker 3: WINS losses i think there's.
Speaker 1: Something there do you buy or sell the idea That
Speaker 1: camp boozer should Be the rookie Of the year favorite
Speaker 1: heading into. THIS season i didn't look at the betting
Speaker 1: ODDS before i wrote. THIS down i would ASSUME that
Speaker 1: aj is. The favorite that'd be. My GUESS but i
Speaker 1: think my pick right now Would be boozer when trying
Speaker 1: to factor in who's going to have the longest runway
Speaker 1: and even just the opportunity and usage on the. OFFENSIVE
Speaker 1: end i.
Speaker 3: Haven't looked at the.
Speaker 2: ODDS either i Would pick darren JUST because i think
Speaker 2: IN the i think that SO many i think so,
Speaker 2: many STATS and i know that you pay attention, to
Speaker 2: this like as someone who covers the. League nationally so
Speaker 2: much of the voting now is based on, WINS that
Speaker 2: i Think that utah has a really good shot OF
Speaker 2: being i know that they've been losing on, purpose forever
Speaker 2: but if you look at the roster construction for, YOU
Speaker 2: to i think that they probably have the best shot
Speaker 2: of winning out of, You, Know, Washington, chicago Memphis and
Speaker 2: utah with everyone else on. THAT team i think that
Speaker 2: if he looks good on this team and they're like
Speaker 2: a ten or a nine seed coming out Of, THE
Speaker 2: west i think that He's probably rookie Of the.
Speaker 1: Year FAVORITE what i find INTERESTING is i would almost
Speaker 1: view it like in, the opposite through the opposite lens,
Speaker 1: of saying if He wins rookie Of, the year there's
Speaker 1: been no. In between it's not a nine. Or ten
Speaker 1: it's either they won fifty plus games and he was
Speaker 1: a huge part, of it or they just ended up
Speaker 1: being bad and so he got way bigger of. An
Speaker 1: opportunity because RIGHT now i feel as if he plays
Speaker 1: alongside everyone on that team is very complimentary of one
Speaker 1: another and plug. And play but in theory he is
Speaker 1: even if you view him as your secondary Ballhander Like
Speaker 1: lowry Market And Jaron jackson Junior And keyante george are
Speaker 1: all ahead of him in the. PECKING water i also
Speaker 1: am curious as to what we see more because of
Speaker 1: how maybe not maybe deep is the wrong Word, for
Speaker 1: Utah Like ace bailey is there, as well and they
Speaker 1: are they not Gonna Give darren peterson as long. Over
Speaker 1: runway early on in the season when looking at, crunch time,
Speaker 1: you know you had to ask me who plays more
Speaker 1: crunch time minutes? This season and is Is It cam
Speaker 1: Boozer Or? DARREN peterson i might Still pick boozer even
Speaker 1: Though the grizzlies in theory should be worse Than, the
Speaker 1: jazz but they have a LOT of nba guys on.
Speaker 1: Their roster he Would be i'm trying to think who
Speaker 1: The last rookie Of the year that came from a
Speaker 1: really good. Team was It's Probably. SCOTTIE barnes i Think
Speaker 1: those raptors won did His his rookie of? The year
Speaker 1: they won? Forty eight I'm making.
Speaker 2: I'm, thinking like what did What did brogden look like
Speaker 2: in the year that he?
Speaker 3: Won it On?
Speaker 2: The?
Speaker 3: Bucks? Too like is that too?
Speaker 1: Far back So the raptors did win forty eight During the,
Speaker 1: brogden Year the bucks won. Forty, two Sorry the bucks
Speaker 1: won forty two During the. Brockden Year the raptors won
Speaker 1: forty eight During The staddy. Barnes YEAR so i don't
Speaker 1: think THAT.
Speaker 3: It's i don't think it's out of the Question that
Speaker 3: utah could win. That too and if you talk about like.
Speaker 2: What, He Brings jaren laurie like so much of that
Speaker 2: front court kind of. Feels duplicative it's almost like they
Speaker 2: Need what darren can bring to the table and, He
Speaker 2: had like to, your point they're so complimentary of each
Speaker 2: other where you just need a guy who can come
Speaker 2: in and.
Speaker 3: Eat twenty points on.
Speaker 2: High EFFICIENCY and i think That's what darren can, do
Speaker 2: there and if It helps utah go from being laughing
Speaker 2: stock of the league the past couple of seasons and
Speaker 2: we trust and we actually kind of secretly like the coach,
Speaker 2: there too even though he hasn't been given license to.
Speaker 3: Win yet is it even?
Speaker 1: A secret i think everybody, LIKE well i thought he
Speaker 1: would get fired at one point because they would win
Speaker 1: too many games, under him.
Speaker 2: Winning too, Many GAMES but i think they have like
Speaker 2: the they're kind of like the wolves and sheeps closing if.
Speaker 2: You WILL and i just think that winning Is if
Speaker 2: utah can go back to their winning ways and this
Speaker 2: is like such a historically winning franchise that if they
Speaker 2: can go back to That and darren is putting up,
Speaker 2: you know primaries scoring numbers on the team that has
Speaker 2: like A defensive player Of the year candidate To most
Speaker 2: improved Candidate, and kyante they got floor spacing that's going
Speaker 2: to open up the driving lanes.
Speaker 3: For, HIM like i just think that.
Speaker 2: The path for him, is easier Where, like boozer sure
Speaker 2: like he could go on that team and and put,
Speaker 2: Up NUMBERS but i think that those two to me
Speaker 2: are like the one and. THE two i don't Know
Speaker 2: how AJ's gonna look with Eighty and trey being on
Speaker 2: the team and like how much he's going to be allowed,
Speaker 2: to do and then.
Speaker 1: They might NOT have nba Spacing and washington, quite frankly
Speaker 1: depending on the lineups.
Speaker 2: They're running and speaking OF no, NBA spacing, i Mean,
Speaker 2: hello chicago you know, they slap, They should they, Sure
Speaker 2: SLAP but i.
Speaker 1: Don't Know josh getty is like one of their two.
Speaker 1: Best shooters that's never really a great spot to.
Speaker 3: Be in what?
Speaker 1: A segue you're a, professional podcaster h could you seguate
Speaker 1: us To The Bulls. CALEB wilson i have to do.
Speaker 1: This one this is the low, hanging fruit but historically
Speaker 1: three point volume, is among if not the Absolute stickiest
Speaker 1: summer league stat as they like to. Call, it so
Speaker 1: are you buying or selling thirty one attempts During? Summer
Speaker 1: league what do you play like just one hundred and
Speaker 1: Whatever minute it wasn't even like one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: minutes or whatever it ended. Up being do you buy
Speaker 1: or sell the three point Volume From.
Speaker 2: Caleb wilson i'm, buying. It Dude and i've been A
Speaker 2: Faithful caleb wilson follower all. Season long, you know when
Speaker 2: people were commenting on his defense, being laughable or when
Speaker 2: people were talking about well he, doesn't shoot or the
Speaker 2: injuries or whatever the case. Might be i'm looking at
Speaker 2: a GUY who i compare to as like This Generation
Speaker 2: zamari stodomer and with the potential to be a better
Speaker 2: defender because of the length that, he has the timing that.
Speaker 2: He has, you know.
Speaker 3: He's got the.
Speaker 2: Right mindset the, thing that more so than Anything about
Speaker 2: CALEB that i buy moving forward is just him as
Speaker 2: a person and the work ethic that he's shown over
Speaker 2: the past several, seasons motivated, you know has stuff staved
Speaker 2: on his background to motivate him, before games like this
Speaker 2: Is Some michael Jordan Stuff chicago.
Speaker 3: BULLS fans I.
Speaker 2: Just i'm buying whatever this kid wants. To do i'm
Speaker 2: not going to be the one to tell. Him no
Speaker 2: and the fact that he went out there and attempted
Speaker 2: and made more Threes In summer league than he did
Speaker 2: in AN entire, unc season which to, be fair that
Speaker 2: team was. Pretty limited they did make a coaching change
Speaker 2: after he left and, was injured and it was pretty
Speaker 2: apparent that he was the gum and paper clips holding that.
Speaker 2: Team together i'm not selling him short. Of anything the
Speaker 2: touch indicators, were there like he was hitting these like
Speaker 2: reclining mid range fadeaway shots over multiple defenders. In college,
Speaker 2: you know he's solid free. Throw shooter even the shots
Speaker 2: that he, did take like the motion didn't. Look busted
Speaker 2: he just had to do so much around the RIM
Speaker 2: for unc comparatively to the other prospects that were on,
Speaker 2: that roster and he showed good playmaking, touch too, you
Speaker 2: know SO like i buy him being able to he
Speaker 2: could be as good as he wants. To Be like
Speaker 2: i'll put it to you, Like, That, dan like if
Speaker 2: he wants to be a three, point shooter he's going
Speaker 2: to be a three. Point shooter if he's going to
Speaker 2: be a, point forward he he he'll. Do it, You
Speaker 2: Know i'm I'm but i'm buying the shot to answer the,
Speaker 2: Question here so.
Speaker 1: You're buying the next. One too the idea of just
Speaker 1: his on. Ball OFFENSE and i mean what you said
Speaker 1: point foward is a great descriptor rather than Just like
Speaker 1: i'm not even talking about just like the catch and
Speaker 1: fades on. The block i'm talking about like being able
Speaker 1: to they set a ball screen at the top and
Speaker 1: you want him to attack. That way you buy the
Speaker 1: idea that he could do that. AS well.
Speaker 2: I do i mean we saw that in college. Even too,
Speaker 2: you know we saw it in. High school when he grabs,
Speaker 2: a rebound he wants to be the one to push.
Speaker 2: The brake, you know, he's long, he's athletic he covers
Speaker 2: a lot. Of ground he's a heads up dribbler for his,
Speaker 2: position too which speaks to how advance he is at.
Speaker 2: His age we saw That At summer, league too where
Speaker 2: he was so perimeter ORIENTED that i, was, Like, hey
Speaker 2: caleb don't forget what got?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 2: Here dude like you fantastic finisher around. The BASKET but
Speaker 2: i also understand that he's trying to modernize his game
Speaker 2: and show what he can do away from.
Speaker 3: THE ball i think that he can, do that.
Speaker 2: But it's it's all gonna be contextual On what chicago
Speaker 2: does with the spacing. Around him you know You Hopefully
Speaker 2: matas rose is a three. Point shooter we just got
Speaker 2: done Talking about giddy might be the best three point
Speaker 2: shooter on. The team he's gonna need some help to get.
Speaker 2: It done but, YOU know i think if altering s,
Speaker 2: break right he could be a really good on ball
Speaker 2: creator IN the nba.
Speaker 3: As, WELL yeah.
Speaker 1: I did i was impressed with the handle On The
Speaker 1: summer league FILM that i saw. From him i'm Looking
Speaker 1: at chicago's roster right now because you said something About
Speaker 1: like giddy and. The shooting if we wanted to Build
Speaker 1: A caleb wilson plus, SHOOTING lineup i don't even think
Speaker 1: we could Because There's norman Powell And josh giddy and
Speaker 1: you would HAVE.
Speaker 3: To i was gonna get, shots, UP right i.
Speaker 1: Guess so like they Do Have jalen Smith and Zach,
Speaker 1: collins man that'd. BE rough I Like. Leonard miller it's
Speaker 1: not a lot of shooting on, this Team so i'm
Speaker 1: curious to see What his and Also with Giddy and
Speaker 1: powell there and Even Just trey Jones and Rob dylling
Speaker 1: hamiston on, this team curious to See What caleb wilson's
Speaker 1: offensive role ends up. Being in there's no one who
Speaker 1: should usurp him in the, pecking order but just by
Speaker 1: virtue of the talent that's, Around him i'm curious to
Speaker 1: see how they deploy him in.
Speaker 2: Year, One YEAH and i think that's a perfect way
Speaker 2: to look at. It TOO and i think so we
Speaker 2: get so wrapped up about like do it NOW that
Speaker 2: i don't know how many people are gonna watch Her
Speaker 2: One kleb wilson and, Just, think kad this is going
Speaker 2: to be all that we can ever expect, of him
Speaker 2: because he's clearly shown from college to summer league, at
Speaker 2: least that there's so much more to be unearthed within.
Speaker 2: His game he's just going to have to be in
Speaker 2: a good system that allows him to be able to.
Speaker 1: DO it i would not have had him hitting even
Speaker 1: if it was even if that was the only game
Speaker 1: where play score thirty FIVE points i never would have
Speaker 1: had him hitting these off the dribble threes would have
Speaker 1: not been on My Summer league. Bengal, card no not.
Speaker 2: AT all i mean in that set of key debut
Speaker 2: record by, the way that thirty.
Speaker 1: Five Points Just blake griffin used to, have, it right yep.
Speaker 3: Mm, hmm yeah which good company to.
Speaker 1: Be in that's not bad HE turned I Think blake
Speaker 1: griffin turned out. All, right yeah he.
Speaker 3: Was, fine yeah he eventually turned into a, Shooter too.
Speaker 1: THAT'S right i think my favorite Version Of blake griffin
Speaker 1: was like the one healthy season he Had in detroit.
Speaker 3: Because he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Doing, anything, yeah, Yep, absolutely okay no.
Speaker 1: Pressure here this Is a this is One of dan's
Speaker 1: draft darlings in so far as you could be a
Speaker 1: darling when you're in the conversation for a top, Seven
Speaker 1: pick Mike Kel. Brown jr will be the best guard
Speaker 1: prospect of that four guard glutt Looking At, Keaton WOGGLER.
Speaker 1: Darius A, Cuff Junior, Kingston flemings buy? Or sell.
Speaker 2: This is tricky and anyone who covered the draft or
Speaker 2: paid attention to the draft even late into the cycle
Speaker 2: knows that this, draft class yes the top four like
Speaker 2: made a bu bunch, of headlines but the identity of
Speaker 2: this draft class was defined by the freshman guards who
Speaker 2: provided so much of this class's depth, This year so
Speaker 2: it ultimately became super tribalistic in the terms, Of like
Speaker 2: i'm a part Of Tribe mikel Brown or darius Acufb
Speaker 2: Junior brandon BURRY'S and i don't believe anything that these
Speaker 2: other guard tribes. Are saying it's really DIFFICULT because i
Speaker 2: Really Like Mikel. BROWN jr i Said that my comp
Speaker 2: for him all season long was This is LaMelo ball with.
Speaker 3: Defensive UPSIDE and i mean it's just on.
Speaker 1: The COURT that's i interrupt JUST because i did not
Speaker 1: hear you. SAY that i Called him lamello ball with
Speaker 1: a defensive conscience when we were, doing UH when i
Speaker 1: did my draft pre draft Pod With. Jonathan wasserman so
Speaker 1: just that to interrupt and throw that.
Speaker 2: In there how serendipitous again that we are doing a
Speaker 2: podcast are draft?
Speaker 3: In engage see you know, you're proven.
Speaker 1: YOU'RE pasi i can come in and say things like
Speaker 1: This where i'm like these are like you should not
Speaker 1: as someone who is so deep into the draft like.
Speaker 1: These are i'm so detached from covering. These guys that's
Speaker 1: easy for me to throw out borderline. Inflammatory THINGS so.
Speaker 2: I gotta step up. MY game i Gotta step.
Speaker 1: You're doing this. Smart approach i'm the one who like
Speaker 1: sees these Guys In summer league and does filmwork before
Speaker 1: the draft, Was Like Michil, BROWN junior i already know
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the best of these. Four guards, I've decided, OH.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean i'm not ruling. It out like there
Speaker 2: are a lot of dudes That know silings who have
Speaker 2: HIM as, pg one and we're gonna talk about other
Speaker 2: guards too throughout, this episode where like it's not gonna
Speaker 2: surprise me if, he is but he's not my favorite to,
Speaker 2: do IT so i don't know if that qualifies as,
Speaker 2: a push but if you have him as your favorite
Speaker 2: guard or the, top, Pick like i'm not gonna rule.
Speaker 2: It out we saw It At summer, league too how
Speaker 2: creative this. Guy is and he's SOMEONE who i CALLED
Speaker 2: and i compared Him To kingston FLEMINGS and i kind
Speaker 2: of Low balled flemings early on in the year to
Speaker 2: WHERE as i looked At Mi keil BROWN and, i
Speaker 2: said if you just look, at him move on. The
Speaker 2: court he's like a joystick player out there on, the
Speaker 2: COURT where i Called like flemings a, dpad player, you
Speaker 2: know for you gamers. Out there so mikel is just,
Speaker 2: SO flexible bindi creative sees the floor like maps out
Speaker 2: where everyone is going to be before he.
Speaker 3: Hits these drives and.
Speaker 2: He has he is not shy at, all about, you
Speaker 2: know getting the flashiest pass. Off possible but he connects on.
Speaker 2: Him too, he's athletic, he's bouncy he plays. Good defensively
Speaker 2: this kid still might even be, Growing Too, DAN like
Speaker 2: i think this guy is so skinny because he's constantly
Speaker 2: he's been on a perennial growth spurt over the past like.
Speaker 2: FOUR seasons i don't know if he's. Even done so.
Speaker 1: Six going on, six seven six eight Is basically.
Speaker 2: I'm, not lying like he could Be What sean livingston
Speaker 2: was supposed.
Speaker 3: To be, you know.
Speaker 1: You Mentioned, kingston FLEMINGS who i was not a. FAN
Speaker 1: of i would say, AFTER not i want to say
Speaker 1: not a. FAN of I wish i want to be
Speaker 1: wrong about Anyone who i'm not high on for. The
Speaker 1: draft That's what i'll. ROOT for i came away From
Speaker 1: something league a little bit more impressed, with him and
Speaker 1: it had almost nothing to do with, his offense like
Speaker 1: some of the passing was. Really THERE but i have
Speaker 1: questions about his finishing on. THE rim a lot of
Speaker 1: people have talked about his on ball juice and like it's,
Speaker 1: clearly THERE but i was expecting MORE when i was
Speaker 1: Seeing The derrick Rose And john, Morant COMPARISONS so i
Speaker 1: have questions about. The finishing the defense might actually. Be,
Speaker 1: insane though where are you At With? Kingston flemings and
Speaker 1: do you buy or sell the idea that he will
Speaker 1: become like a caps locked dangerous finisher IN. THE Nba
Speaker 1: m i'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna sell, the FINISHER but i don't think that that's
Speaker 2: going to limit how good he, can be if that.
Speaker 2: Makes SENSE like i think he's so good at the
Speaker 2: everything else aspect of being a guard IN the nba
Speaker 2: that even if he is just, like average then you're
Speaker 2: still have a very. Dangerous player like how good of
Speaker 2: a Finisher Is, Alex caruso like how good of a
Speaker 2: Finisher Is? Cassan wallace, you know how good of a
Speaker 2: finisher are those types of guards and doesn't matter compared
Speaker 2: to like what they provide your team and SOMETHING that
Speaker 2: i kind of had a Revelation With kingston flemings, Myself
Speaker 2: too dan to where like all, season long, YOU know
Speaker 2: i spoke about how tribalistic we got with the guards all,
Speaker 2: season long like covering, the Draft and, i'm LIKE do
Speaker 2: i want.
Speaker 3: This guy to be my on?
Speaker 2: Ball Creator like i'm looking at him Compared to mike
Speaker 2: the Aforementioned, Mikeel Brown, Darius Akuff, Keeping Wogger brandon burry's
Speaker 2: like he's so much of his identity was wrapped up
Speaker 2: in his two way ability That if i'm asking him
Speaker 2: to be my sole source, of creation is he going
Speaker 2: to be able to expend all that energy that makes
Speaker 2: him so special on the. Defensive, end well then he
Speaker 2: gets Drafted to atlanta AND then i do, you know
Speaker 2: one of my favorite Exercises that i've ever done is
Speaker 2: you know my uh post draft like the environment adjusted
Speaker 2: mont graft IS what i caught.
Speaker 1: It incredible but that's an. Incredible concept by, THE way
Speaker 1: i didn't mean to interrupt. YOU there i think that
Speaker 1: that's you were mentioning it when we Did The Lockdown
Speaker 1: nick show the, other week and that's that's just a
Speaker 1: FANTASTIC because i think we, forget, so like even in
Speaker 1: this in the Context Of summer, league rosters if you're
Speaker 1: looking at Someone Like, kingston flemings who's responsible for driving,
Speaker 1: the offense playing with guys he's not, familiar with most
Speaker 1: of most of whom are not going to MAKE an.
Speaker 1: Nba roster on the, flip side when we're talking, about
Speaker 1: bigs which we, eventually will, it's well they're prodeed on
Speaker 1: getting the ball out of the times and they're on
Speaker 1: rosters that aren't geared towards, doing that like with the.
Speaker 1: Most talentable so that's just that's a home run concept.
Speaker 1: BY you, i plauded. NOT not I swear i'm not
Speaker 1: even blowing smoke just because you're on. THE show i
Speaker 1: thought when you, SAID it i was, just like that's. Fucking, COOL.
Speaker 3: Well I appreciate i, appreciate THAT and.
Speaker 2: I don't i'm not gonna sit here and Pretend like
Speaker 2: i'm the FIRST one i ever thought. Of IT but
Speaker 2: i went through and did, the exercise AND once i
Speaker 2: found Out That kingston flemings was gonna be, on it
Speaker 2: and they're one of the few TEAMS and I think
Speaker 2: toronto operates a lot like. This, too dan it's like
Speaker 2: the team is the. Point guard so he's going on
Speaker 2: a team where You, know DANIELS gnaw, Cj McCollum. JALEN
Speaker 2: johnson i think combined they all average close to like
Speaker 2: twenty assist, a game just like as. A collective so
Speaker 2: if he's going to a team where the team is
Speaker 2: the point guard and he can sell out on the
Speaker 2: defensive end and he can be a nuisance in transition
Speaker 2: and he can still alleviate some of that creation load
Speaker 2: off of them, as well then he ended up being
Speaker 2: fifth on my board JUST because i think that he
Speaker 2: gets to be all the best parts of himself and
Speaker 2: he's so well insulated that it's going to allow him
Speaker 2: to develop in those other areas.
Speaker 3: Of concern, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah i'm in terms of like the, FINISHING stuff i,
Speaker 2: don't KNOW but i don't think that it's gonna matter
Speaker 2: as much based on where.
Speaker 3: He landed.
Speaker 1: So you don't think it like when it to his
Speaker 1: just shot profile, in general where we know he's mid.
Speaker 1: Range heavy but do you do you view him after
Speaker 1: having watched him for so much then looking at him
Speaker 1: in the context of this team as someone wh will
Speaker 1: at least develop into a multi level score just because
Speaker 1: even the three point volume in school and in summer league,
Speaker 1: was higher but it wasn't. Astronomically high he's not known,
Speaker 1: as that even though the percentages at school.
Speaker 2: WERE fine i think that he has every, opportunity to,
Speaker 2: you Know on Yuko kong wu grews a three point
Speaker 2: shooter this, Season too so when you have a four,
Speaker 2: spacing five that changes the geometry on the court. So
Speaker 2: much they BROUGHT. Back, cj McCollum who's a reliable. Knockdown
Speaker 2: shooter naw really took off. This Year Nikhil alexander walker
Speaker 2: took off.
Speaker 3: On this team.
Speaker 2: This Year dyson daniels is going to hold you back a.
Speaker 2: Little Bit jalen johnson isn't the best three, point SHOOTER
Speaker 2: but i think there is enough three point shooting on
Speaker 2: this team that's gonna give him every opportunity that he
Speaker 2: wants to improve as a finisher around. The RIM so,
Speaker 2: I mean I guess I'm just IT'S like i would
Speaker 2: sell IT if i like water gun to, MY head
Speaker 2: i would. Sell IT but i don't feel great, about it,
Speaker 2: you KNOW like i don't have like a strong, either
Speaker 2: way it's probably a clean push. For Me.
Speaker 1: Darius acuff junior buy or sell him having the most
Speaker 1: frustrating shot selection among rookies. Next year that's my way,
Speaker 1: of SAYING as i put this in, THE notes i
Speaker 1: don't have any idea what to think of HIM when
Speaker 1: i watch him the aesthetics of. HIS game i want to,
Speaker 1: love HIM but i come away thinking he's going to get.
Speaker 1: SOMEONE fired i feel like he could also get someone
Speaker 1: like hired or, to extension so there he feels like
Speaker 1: a real boom or. BUST guy i just haven't seen
Speaker 1: nearly as much of him as you And some i'm
Speaker 1: curious where you land on The Whole darius acuff. Junior experience.
Speaker 2: I'm conflicted with this one, because listen, you know people
Speaker 2: probably can hear my accent and probably Guess that, i'm
Speaker 2: from like Somewhere, around ARKANSAS which i am So big.
Speaker 2: Acuff supporter EVEN though i didn't really like him that much.
Speaker 2: COMING in i had him ranked in the twenties in
Speaker 2: my pre board coming into, THE cycle I just.
Speaker 3: I didn't like.
Speaker 2: The shots, IT'S funny i didn't like the shot selection
Speaker 2: that he showed in, high school but then he Comes
Speaker 2: to arkansas and he's a three. Level scorer and he's
Speaker 2: also one of the best playmakers in this entire draft,
Speaker 2: class too which was the biggest CONCERN that, i had,
Speaker 2: was like what is this guy going too at look
Speaker 2: like as a facilitator? For Others But man sacramento really
Speaker 2: does a great job of making your most bold opinions
Speaker 2: of a player a little bit more watered down than
Speaker 2: you would like them, to be you KNOW what. I
Speaker 2: MEAN LIKE i i don't know if they could have
Speaker 2: drafted ANYBODY and i would have felt, great about, you
Speaker 2: know like that the highest end upside potential of being
Speaker 2: actualized on. That team to answer the question is as
Speaker 2: painful as it is for me, To say i'm probably
Speaker 2: buying that the shot selection is going to be not
Speaker 2: for the faint, of heart just because he's going to
Speaker 2: be asked to do so much creation on this. Team
Speaker 2: Too Like, MEET clifford i think his stock took a
Speaker 2: little bit of, a hit as big of a Hit
Speaker 2: As summer league can give you in, terms, of like,
Speaker 2: you know ball handling duties. AND responsibilities i did not
Speaker 2: LIKE what i saw From maxim reino like as a
Speaker 2: facilitator from the big man Position At summer league. This
Speaker 2: YEAR either i just think there's gonna be so much
Speaker 2: put on his shoulders and he's gonna be asked to
Speaker 2: put up a lot of grenades and a lot of
Speaker 2: bill out possessions and stuff like that for this team
Speaker 2: that it's not going to. Be Pretty so i'm probably
Speaker 2: buying the frustration that's gonna come along with the shot
Speaker 2: Chart WITH.
Speaker 3: Darius a cuff.
Speaker 1: Junior, here yeah it'd be interesting if he had been
Speaker 1: drafted by someone like one of these. Other teams had
Speaker 1: had it Been, the clippers had it Been, the nets
Speaker 1: had it Been. The hawks i'm curious If the king
Speaker 1: stigma is coloring my impressions of his summer league and him.
Speaker 1: In general that's a. Fascinating question The, Final well I'm
Speaker 1: A braden, burry's guy so technically in the Fine But
Speaker 1: keaton wabla like SOMEONE who i want to be the
Speaker 1: best guard of anyone we're. Talking ABOUT but i wanted
Speaker 1: to know buy or sell his ability to consistently puncture
Speaker 1: the paint AT the nba LEVEL because i came Away
Speaker 1: From summer league and feel like he was just getting
Speaker 1: bumped off of course a ton and it was more
Speaker 1: than just to me. At, least oh he needs to
Speaker 1: and will get stronger and this will.
Speaker 2: Resolve itself i'm selling the paint Puncturing For keaton wogler and.
Speaker 3: So much of his success, last year which.
Speaker 2: Was fantastic by, The way we're talking about a guy
Speaker 2: who was ranked outside like the top one fifty among
Speaker 2: a lot of reputable grassroots. Scouting services so this wasn't
Speaker 2: like a campaign to keep him out or anything. Like
Speaker 2: that just so many people either didn't see enough of
Speaker 2: him or what they, did see he didn't blow, him
Speaker 2: away even though we're talking About Like gatorade player Of
Speaker 2: the year coming out of the State, of kansas And
Speaker 2: somehow kansas didn't, recruit him by.
Speaker 3: The, way Interesting But.
Speaker 2: Keaton wogler, his season he played with a lot of
Speaker 2: Upperclassmen at illinois who made his life easier and even
Speaker 2: played Next To, colin boswell who's a, very strong powerfully
Speaker 2: built fire hydrant of a, point guard and just a
Speaker 2: lot of dudes with A Professional european european basketball experience
Speaker 2: that he was put in a system to Where Coach
Speaker 2: brad underwood does a great job of putting his guards
Speaker 2: in the. Right position but he's to, your point he's
Speaker 2: a little thin now he does clear this magical number
Speaker 2: of one hundred and eighty pounds that he weighed in
Speaker 2: at the combine to where you can for, WHATEVER reason
Speaker 2: i don't know the science. Behind it it might be
Speaker 2: a worthwhile thing to, Look, Into dan but for, whatever
Speaker 2: reason if you hit one hundred and eighty pounds like
Speaker 2: your your chances of survival IN the nba. Looked great
Speaker 2: like one eighty was exactly What Shake gilgis alexander weighed
Speaker 2: in AT his. Nba combine if he was one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy, nine pounds, who knows if we're talking about, A.
Speaker 3: Champion i.
Speaker 2: Don't Know but keaton, cleared it so he has a
Speaker 2: good shot of being as good as he could possibly
Speaker 2: be IN.
Speaker 3: THE nba.
Speaker 2: I didn't i still did, worry about like his contacted
Speaker 2: version Playing.
Speaker 3: At illinois but the thing.
Speaker 2: That kept me In On keaton wogler as opposed to
Speaker 2: completely selling out on the like his unwillingness to get
Speaker 2: into the paint or dunk or Anything at illinois was
Speaker 2: the fact that he is a lights out three. Point
Speaker 2: shooter and we did see That At summer League right
Speaker 2: like there was almost like the safety blanket, of, like
Speaker 2: hey if, everything hits we might have the Next Shake
Speaker 2: gilgus alexander Here With. Keith walker but worst, case scenario
Speaker 2: we might also have the best three point shooter within
Speaker 2: this draft at good size and could play both.
Speaker 3: Guard, Positions Right so.
Speaker 2: I'm selling the. Paint puncturing but he still showed that
Speaker 2: he is every bit as dangerous from outside the three
Speaker 2: point line as he was.
Speaker 1: In, college yeah he remains my second favorite of. THE
Speaker 1: four i don't know when we've band it, TO five
Speaker 1: i don't know if he's still the second Favorite Because.
Speaker 1: BRAIDEN burry's i was intrigued by him going into, the
Speaker 1: draft and then one of my questions was, just, like
Speaker 1: well what would he look like if you were doing more?
Speaker 1: On ballwork and so now we're on the opposite end
Speaker 1: of the spectrum HERE where i need to ask you
Speaker 1: to buy or sell his ability to provide on, ballroom
Speaker 1: pressure which he did in spades During The.
Speaker 2: Zummer league you could ask buy Or Sell braiden Burry's and.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna, say bye no matter what the rest.
Speaker 2: Of it no matter what the rest of that, comment
Speaker 2: is as long as, it's like do you believe that
Speaker 2: he can? Do something the answer to that question is
Speaker 2: always going to. Be yes actually, had him so in
Speaker 2: terms of THE guards I Had, MIKE keel I HAD.
Speaker 2: Darius A, CUFF. Junior, Mikel Brown braiden Burry's Than, keith, WOGGLER.
Speaker 3: Right i wanted To put.
Speaker 2: Braiden higher but to, your point we just didn't see
Speaker 2: him do so much on. The Ball But braiden burry's
Speaker 2: is gonna serve as like a like a tent pole
Speaker 2: philosophy shift for me moving forward in terms, OF like
Speaker 2: i don't care if we didn't see him do as
Speaker 2: much on.
Speaker 3: The BALL do i buy?
Speaker 2: The? Physicality YES do i buy?
Speaker 1: The?
Speaker 3: Touch YES do i buy?
Speaker 2: The? Defense yes is this? Dude does does he have
Speaker 2: a screw loose in the best?
Speaker 3: Way?
Speaker 2: Possible absolutely. You KNOW and i started doing like some
Speaker 2: podcasts like as the draft was, Ramping up dan for
Speaker 2: Like some arizona based, you know coverages for like the,
Speaker 2: you Know the wildcasts Or The phoenix suns, or whatever
Speaker 2: and so many people kept bringing up the story about
Speaker 2: How coach Lloyd at arizona told him after a, few, games,
Speaker 2: like dude what's? Going on you're Like mister, California.
Speaker 3: Here you're one of the best scorers in. The class what's?
Speaker 2: Going on he, Was like i'm Worried that i'm gonna
Speaker 2: step on the toes of this like Very. Senior layden
Speaker 2: there's like a great mix of Like, senior leyden, you
Speaker 2: know contributors on this team returners with also a couple
Speaker 2: of really high end freshman recruits. As well he, WAS
Speaker 2: like i don't want to step on Toes And coach
Speaker 2: floyd essentially, told him, you know riverdance on him if
Speaker 2: they want to get out of, the way get out of.
Speaker 3: The way and.
Speaker 2: He, Did man and like so many people probably forgot
Speaker 2: that he led the team, in scoring and he did
Speaker 2: so by being differential to. Everybody else that when we
Speaker 2: saw him in summer League in milwaukee, was, like dude
Speaker 2: cook he. Did that and the strength that we knew
Speaker 2: coming into the Draft That brandon burry's had watch just
Speaker 2: fresh off of watching playoff basketball to where you have
Speaker 2: to Have what I'm because i'm not a, CREATIVE person
Speaker 2: i call it, Shoulder game like can you create separation
Speaker 2: by just use of your shoulders while you're driving to.
Speaker 2: The basket that's such an invaluable skill or physical trait.
Speaker 2: To have dan as, you know like watching the finals
Speaker 2: that if you can, do that you have a leg
Speaker 2: up on pretty much. EVERYBODY else i should have ranked
Speaker 2: him as high as my heart, wanted to but my
Speaker 2: heart's deceived. Me before so it's like this concept. PUSH
Speaker 2: pool i wanted to have him as my, top Guard but,
Speaker 2: I'M like i don't know if you can create to
Speaker 2: the Level of Darius or Mike kel but he did
Speaker 2: everything else that just as good or a higher level
Speaker 2: in the everything else aspect of basketball compared to those
Speaker 2: two to where, It's, LIKE god I wish i would
Speaker 2: have just went with my.
Speaker 1: Heart here so you're on the clock at number five
Speaker 1: where they're redoing the draft, right now we're are even
Speaker 1: we're a month removed. From it are You Taking braiden
Speaker 1: burry's at? Number? Five?
Speaker 2: Yes absolutely Like the clippers that if They keep kawi,
Speaker 2: Like Whatever like i'm could you imagine like if They,
Speaker 2: keep kawhi they Bring In braiden berry's and anyone else
Speaker 2: they have on, This roster Like.
Speaker 1: He kawi is like a that's a legit, like, one. Two,
Speaker 1: three yeah.
Speaker 2: He's an, Amplifier dude like he does everything else like
Speaker 2: he he just makes people around him better because he is,
Speaker 2: so good, you know like we saw That. At arizona
Speaker 2: He Made brandon burry or, excuse, me uh He Made
Speaker 2: jaden bradley a better facilitator because he was on. That
Speaker 2: team he took pressure off Of. Co opete He made Ivan,
Speaker 2: karl chenkov who could not shoot to save his life,
Speaker 2: this year playable from the perimeter because of how much
Speaker 2: gravity he had as a three.
Speaker 3: Point shooter, you.
Speaker 2: Know like he, play made he play make for, others
Speaker 2: too even though he was just the. Leading scorer there
Speaker 2: was just so many good things about him this year
Speaker 2: that in a redraft outside the, top four the top
Speaker 2: Guy that i'm going, right NOW and i know he
Speaker 2: hasn't seen A real nba minute, or whatever but, God
Speaker 2: BLESS like i was Skeptical, of milwaukee and He's almost
Speaker 2: milwaukee proof even though they just moved off of. Y honest,
Speaker 2: you know like there's so much reasons to. Be, optimistic
Speaker 2: yeah like Him And ryan, rawlins, together dude that's gonna
Speaker 2: be so.
Speaker 3: Much fun like they're gonna be a.
Speaker 2: G League pass they're gonna be a League past darling
Speaker 2: with the backcourt that.
Speaker 1: They, have, yeah especially there's like might even be the
Speaker 1: car crash theory of Like having nata meant there and
Speaker 1: what is he gonna do on a game to? Game basis,
Speaker 1: So UH Jaxell, MVP lindebergh i am trying not to
Speaker 1: get too excited about him because He hadn't he really
Speaker 1: did have an excellent summer league where he just. DID
Speaker 1: everything i had questions about what he would able to
Speaker 1: be able to do defensively at, this LEVEL and i
Speaker 1: still going back and watching some of the summer, league
Speaker 1: stuff especially Against, the lakers it kind of felt like
Speaker 1: some of the blocks that, he had it just felt
Speaker 1: like teams were giving them, to him just like the
Speaker 1: releases were slow where they were so low was just
Speaker 1: but he WAS so i thought he was really. Good
Speaker 1: defensively do you buy or sell the idea that he
Speaker 1: can consistently defend twos threes even do some point of.
Speaker 1: Attack work and the Only reason i'm actually asking this
Speaker 1: IS because i think that it's his clearest path to
Speaker 1: immediate playing Time In. Golden state you look at the
Speaker 1: injuries they're dealing With To jimmy Butler And. Moses moody
Speaker 1: i'm assuming they Get deanthy. Melton back now that The
Speaker 1: whole lebron stuff is settled and he's their instant best
Speaker 1: point of like. Perimeter defender but, after THAT it's, I
Speaker 1: know draymond Is, still draymond but he's not like a.
Speaker 1: Lockdown perimeter do they need like a combo? Forward Defender
Speaker 1: And jaxa lundenberg right now is the, YOU know i
Speaker 1: don't mean to Disparage Like gui santos, or anybody but
Speaker 1: he feels like just their. Only, option yeah.
Speaker 2: They do we Know that draymond's even coming Back To golden,
Speaker 2: state too by, The.
Speaker 1: Way like you think he'll be the one to Go,
Speaker 1: to cleveland.
Speaker 2: He might be the one To follow Lebron. To philly,
Speaker 2: who knows, you know to give You some? Joel insurance
Speaker 2: could You imagine minnesota needs?
Speaker 1: A four do you think Him And rudy gobert would
Speaker 1: be willing to? Play together or IS that i.
Speaker 2: Don't KNOW that's i would pay to WATCH reality tv
Speaker 2: show Him and LaMelo and ant together like just.
Speaker 3: Hanging out could you imagine? Those, THREE no.
Speaker 1: I couldn't and especially you throw Like The rudy gobert
Speaker 1: wild guard, INTO there. I wouldn't i wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 2: Picture it it would Be, like seinfeld but reverse right
Speaker 2: to where like those three would Be, Like elane George.
Speaker 2: And jerry and then here it comes in like a straight,
Speaker 2: laced creamer, just, like hey that's what's, going on, You
Speaker 2: know and they're like hanging from the ceiling fan, or
Speaker 2: whatever you KNOW what, I mean like they're just doing.
Speaker 3: Crazy stuff who do.
Speaker 1: You think so let's Throw The rudy Gobert like draymond's
Speaker 1: history equation out. Of it who do you think would
Speaker 1: have been able to handle the dina or would fit
Speaker 1: better into the locker Room dynamic Lebron or draymond and
Speaker 1: Just hype. MINNESOTA hypothetically i feel Like, it's lebron even though.
Speaker 2: He's, older yeah it's Gotta. BE lebron I mean i
Speaker 2: think that he could fit in pretty much any locker,
Speaker 2: room too by, the WAY but i just feel like
Speaker 2: they would be hanging on his, coat tail just like
Speaker 2: please tell us like all the stuff that, you know
Speaker 2: Except maybe aunt might challenge him a, little bit and
Speaker 2: it sounds like.
Speaker 1: He did there was a pit like come here and don't.
Speaker 1: COME here i don't care Very very Kobe recruiting dwight
Speaker 1: were THE vibes i got off they said it, was
Speaker 1: PLAYFUL so i don't think it was longla but, very, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever man you, come here don't. COME here i.
Speaker 2: Don't, care yeah apparently there was A report i saw
Speaker 2: and it Was, on twitter so lord knows if it
Speaker 2: was real, or not but there was like apparently a
Speaker 2: part of the Conversation was Lebron, telling, aunt, like hey
Speaker 2: LET'S say i don't.
Speaker 3: Go there what do you think happens with.
Speaker 2: The team, he's, Like then i'll just bust your head
Speaker 2: whenever we play Against each other's, like whatever like you
Speaker 2: come here, Or not i'm going to be.
Speaker 3: Great REGARDLESS so i.
Speaker 2: Don't KNOW but, i mean he was about to go
Speaker 2: Play With, jaylen brown who just insulted his son's ability
Speaker 2: to play INTO. The nba so, who knows, YOU know
Speaker 2: I think lebron could make.
Speaker 1: It, Happen Yeah joelle embiid is like a ten year
Speaker 1: old tweet or something. HE said i can't remember what
Speaker 1: he said About. About Lebron SO i'm i have A
Speaker 1: feeling i'll get. Over it.
Speaker 3: I'm, With you i'm. With you, BUT ye i.
Speaker 1: Don't KNOW how i took us To The minnesota Timberwolves
Speaker 1: and lebron, Off this.
Speaker 2: I'll blame ME because i would LIKE to i give
Speaker 2: an answer with something that has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: the question. That's asking try to REMEMBER what i was
Speaker 2: SAYING when i tie it. ALL together i like to.
Speaker 2: Challenge MYSELF but, i, think yaxl this is TOUGH because
Speaker 2: i don't know if he's going to consistently be able
Speaker 2: to do it like night in, night out like be
Speaker 2: the guy who's guarding, two guards point guards and stuff.
Speaker 2: LIKE that i think that you give him looks, For
Speaker 2: sure but if, you're, saying, like consistently night in, night
Speaker 2: out he's gonna guard the best player on the, OTHER
Speaker 2: team i would.
Speaker 3: You know i'll buy it just based out.
Speaker 2: OF necessity i don't think that is probably the best
Speaker 2: thing in, the WORLD and i think it speaks to
Speaker 2: the state Of The Golden. STATE warriors i think that,
Speaker 2: he will but, also like this is a guy that
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 3: Roll out to do.
Speaker 2: Anything like his developmental path is one of the more
Speaker 2: unique in this entire. DRAFT class, i mean this guy
Speaker 2: almost didn't play high school basketball because he didn't take it.
Speaker 2: Seriously enough his mom pretty much cried him into playing
Speaker 2: basketball and then Goes to juco dominates goes to You,
Speaker 2: ab dominates then goes To. The combine, he's, LIKE hey
Speaker 2: i want to BE an. Nba player, they're, like okay
Speaker 2: go do X. Y z not only not only does,
Speaker 2: he go does he go and do x, y z
Speaker 2: but he Transfers to michigan Plays For dusty may in
Speaker 2: a front court that wasn't supposed, to work, you, know, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah they were like giving up FROM what, i know
Speaker 1: they were just gigantoids and no spacing.
Speaker 2: Right exactly LIKE, at uab because, you know with these
Speaker 2: mid low major schools, like them if you have any size,
Speaker 2: at all you're going to play minutes at. The five
Speaker 2: and you saw you actual play the five a LOT.
Speaker 3: At uab.
Speaker 2: Then we saw More as johnson like not really get
Speaker 2: a whole heck of a lot of playing Time, at
Speaker 2: illinois and he is like at arms reach on offense
Speaker 2: coming Out. Of illinois so he's playing at. The five
Speaker 2: and then they bring in this like failed PROJECT from
Speaker 2: Ucla and ademara and they all, you know ostensibly play.
Speaker 2: The five, so like How Does dusty may make? This,
Speaker 2: happen well you actually had to play the three for
Speaker 2: like the first time, ever consistently and he he was
Speaker 2: the best player in college basketball and win a national
Speaker 2: championship doing, It RIGHT so i, don't KNOW like i
Speaker 2: don't feel great about him, Doing it but kind of
Speaker 2: LIKE what i said with Kayleb Will or, wilson earlier,
Speaker 2: It's like i'm also not going to be the one
Speaker 2: To Tell yaxel linnenburg that he can't, do something because
Speaker 2: he's going to and then he's going to clown you about.
Speaker 3: It afterwards.
Speaker 1: You KNOW so, i guess based just on what, you're
Speaker 1: saying you would pfer see more looks of kp at
Speaker 1: the Five and yaxles at, the four or even in
Speaker 1: some lineups Where maybe draymond's the Five and yaxle's.
Speaker 4: The.
Speaker 2: Four, correct yeah that's the ideal scenario For Me, WITH
Speaker 2: yaxel i think that he could be a dynamite four
Speaker 2: man IN.
Speaker 3: The Nba.
Speaker 1: Janni steinbach SOMEONE who i was probably ambivalent to coming into,
Speaker 1: the process maybe just a little bit lower on him
Speaker 1: than let other people buy or sell his ability to
Speaker 1: play semi regular center minutes IN.
Speaker 2: The nba this is TRICKY because i was not A
Speaker 2: huge steinbach guy coming into, the year and he didn't
Speaker 2: really do anything for me throughout the rest of the
Speaker 2: year to kind of like curb my concerns or CAUTIONS
Speaker 2: that i had within. HIS game i get that he's
Speaker 2: arguably the best rebounder in, the game but rebounding is
Speaker 2: a very. Translatable skill by, The, Way dan i'm sure that, you,
Speaker 2: know right like to the best players IN the nba at,
Speaker 2: their position like regardless, of position like relative to, their
Speaker 2: position they're, great rebounders, You know so rebounding is usually a,
Speaker 2: good indicator but you kind of have to bring something
Speaker 2: else to. The game and That's where i'm kind of
Speaker 2: Concerned with steinbach because if he is, a five big
Speaker 2: men are asked.
Speaker 3: To do more today than.
Speaker 2: Ever, before dan like we TALKED about i think we
Speaker 2: talked about this unlocked on with. Big men you have
Speaker 2: the traditional big men things that they're asked, to do,
Speaker 2: Right rebounding steinbach, can do, RINT protection i don't Know
Speaker 2: if steinbock do finishing around the rim over other giant.
Speaker 2: BIG men i don't know if he's going to be
Speaker 2: able to. Do that but then passing is such a
Speaker 2: big part about big men and like how long they're
Speaker 2: able to be on, you know a starting rotation on,
Speaker 2: the FLOOR and i don't EVERYTHING that i saw this
Speaker 2: year and NOTHING that i Saw At summer league kind of.
Speaker 2: Like ease my concerns with That is steinbach is not
Speaker 2: a very, connective passer, you know so now you're kind
Speaker 2: of looking, at him in, my opinion as like an
Speaker 2: undersized FIVE who i don't know how he finishes over
Speaker 2: the best of the best IN, the NBA and i
Speaker 2: don't know how he protects the rim at the five IN.
Speaker 2: The nba so But admittedly i'm one of the lower people.
Speaker 2: On him, you know he does move well on, The
Speaker 2: FLOOR so i think the hope is that you're looking
Speaker 2: at some sort Of Like alprin shane goon domas the.
Speaker 2: Bonus disciple but those guys pass the ball and. He
Speaker 2: doesn't so now you're looking at Is a yaka partle
Speaker 2: but not as, Good defensively like it's a weird it's
Speaker 2: A weird vinn diagram, for me like scouting wise as
Speaker 2: to like how Good can? Steinbach BE like i get
Speaker 2: that he, could rebound it as a very important skill
Speaker 2: to have IN, the nba but what else is he
Speaker 2: going to do on a team that just lost their,
Speaker 2: offensive engine like and really sole source of? Rim, pressure
Speaker 2: like how is he going to work on? This?
Speaker 3: Team now.
Speaker 1: Buy? Or sell throwing out concern dispensing with the Concern
Speaker 1: For bennett's starts And a diemarra which, some people a
Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about coming Out Of.
Speaker 2: Summer league i'm buying IT because i did like the
Speaker 2: two men CHEMISTRY that i did See between Starts. AND
Speaker 2: mara i get the concerns for both. Of them maara
Speaker 2: didn't really quell any concerns about, the physicality the leverage
Speaker 2: issue with him as being, a rebounder people people being
Speaker 2: able to essentially dig him out of whatever position that
Speaker 2: he's trying. TO establish i just Think And, bennett sertch by,
Speaker 2: the way is like one of the best basketball minds
Speaker 2: within this, class too and ridiculous three point shooting range
Speaker 2: that we did See In summer league.
Speaker 3: AS well i.
Speaker 2: Just think that when we think about how these guys
Speaker 2: In The summer league are going to translate to the
Speaker 2: to the big club IN, THE nba i think their
Speaker 2: jobs are going to.
Speaker 3: Be so.
Speaker 2: Like very apparent as to like you are going to
Speaker 2: DO a B and c when you're on. The court
Speaker 2: even if if at all we get to eight OR
Speaker 2: to b and c on, That List like Bennett s
Speaker 2: ertch you might just be a. Floor Spacer, at amar
Speaker 2: you might just be a. Rim protector but they each
Speaker 2: have like these other great qualities to. Their game dan
Speaker 2: to where, You Know bennett SERTs can play make with
Speaker 2: the best. Of them he's going to be able to
Speaker 2: operate a pick, and roll and he's got good size
Speaker 2: as a, point guard and he can.
Speaker 3: Be disruptor he can be a pass on the.
Speaker 2: Defensive end and we All know adaymar like at seven,
Speaker 2: foot three like he was arguably the best Quarterback in michigan,
Speaker 2: last year and he. Played basketball you know with the
Speaker 2: full court passing that he HAS the dho capability within.
Speaker 2: His game he flashed a lot of that At summer.
Speaker 2: League too EVERYTHING that i Said About, hannes steinbach can
Speaker 2: he do all the big man things AT the? Nba
Speaker 2: level significantly fewer concerns in my opinion With the DeMar
Speaker 2: being able to score at, the rim protect, the, rim
Speaker 2: rebound and pass.
Speaker 1: The, basketball yeah he threw some really nifty passes At.
Speaker 1: SUMMER league i was kind of hoping he'd be a little.
Speaker 1: Bit more, AND again i don't know how much of
Speaker 1: this you talk about, your environment. Big board okayse summer
Speaker 1: league environment wasn't necessarily conducive to him being or being
Speaker 1: in the best situations to be more aggressive as, a
Speaker 1: scorer and they almost needed. His PASSING but i found him,
Speaker 1: overly deferential and that was THE thing i clocked the most.
Speaker 1: With him And so i'm curious what JUST because i
Speaker 1: don't even know what type of lineups he'll be playing with,
Speaker 1: AN okase i guess they have the benefit of not
Speaker 1: needing him when You have hartenstein And, Chet Holmgren jay
Speaker 1: will and also You Know thomas sorber's. Healthy Now so
Speaker 1: I'm just i'm very curious to see when he, does
Speaker 1: play what, he does what he does look, like offensively
Speaker 1: the passing. IS great I just i was hoping for
Speaker 1: more as a or just. GENERAL physicality i was hoping
Speaker 1: for more of that or just more as a SCORE.
Speaker 2: And I and i totally understand. Those concerns but to,
Speaker 2: your point whenever he gets To The oklahoma, city proper,
Speaker 2: you know whenever he gets to the to the thunder,
Speaker 2: ACTUAL club i think a lot of his life is
Speaker 2: going to be just made so much more simple to
Speaker 2: where he can rely on his, you know just him
Speaker 2: being seven foot three with almost ten foot, Standing reach
Speaker 2: like you can't teach. THAT stuff i think that you
Speaker 2: can play Him and. CHET together i think you could
Speaker 2: play Him in. Hartenstein together jay will obviously Super Versatile
Speaker 2: jalen Williams The Arkansas, jaalen Williams. Not JDUBB but i
Speaker 2: think that he's super versatile as well to where you
Speaker 2: can get real Creative And oklahoma city can run a
Speaker 2: two big lineup essentially whenever they. Want NOW and i
Speaker 2: think too in terms of like the environment adjusted aspect
Speaker 2: people were, concerned about like the minute load that he
Speaker 2: would be able to Handle At, oklahoma city don't even
Speaker 2: really got to worry. ABOUT it i think that it's
Speaker 2: pretty much just copy paste what we Saw. From michigan
Speaker 2: that's the hope for here is that funnel things. To
Speaker 2: him he's going to be able to get his hand,
Speaker 2: on shots he's going to be able to finish at,
Speaker 2: the basket and he's going to be able to attract
Speaker 2: attention and reliably kick the ball out to whoever it
Speaker 2: is that's open.
Speaker 3: From Deep.
Speaker 1: Malie thomas knew nothing about him Coming Into summer league and,
Speaker 1: WATCHING him i feel like you could put him in
Speaker 1: some Type of american gladiator, obstacle course and whatever route
Speaker 1: he needs to take to get to, the whop he'll
Speaker 1: just figure it out. To SCORE and i also came,
Speaker 1: away thinking when you look at scoring Champions In, summer
Speaker 1: league it's we're conditioned to take those guys with a grain,
Speaker 1: of salt specifically buy or sell his scoring ability being
Speaker 1: more translatable TO the nba than The average summer league score.
Speaker 2: Success Story so i'm gonna preface this again WITH that
Speaker 2: i Am, from, arkansas RIGHT so i understand that people
Speaker 2: are gonna take whatever it IS that i say next
Speaker 2: and they're gonna skew It because i'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Have this, You know i'm gonna support. My people for
Speaker 3: lack of a, better, Expression here i'm.
Speaker 2: BUYING it i said it coming coming into the draft
Speaker 2: that people might Not, remember Dan But malik Thomas AND.
Speaker 2: Darius A cuff junior were both recruited out of high
Speaker 2: school at the exact. Same position both were recruited out
Speaker 2: of high school as. Point, Guard OBVIOUSLY. Darius a cup
Speaker 2: being the higher, ranked guy he was the one that
Speaker 2: you prioritize the structure of the, offensive round which meant,
Speaker 2: That maliite thomas had to learn how to do ant
Speaker 2: sillary things and it wasn't an easy immediate translation. For
Speaker 2: him he actually got benched by Coach kyl pari early
Speaker 2: on in the process because defensively he. Was unplayable he.
Speaker 2: Didn't rebound the decision making, was solid but it wasn't
Speaker 2: as great as it would it end up being throughout
Speaker 2: the rest of, the year but he was still put
Speaker 2: in positions to where he could build his confidence, that
Speaker 2: way when he was inserted back into the, starting lineup
Speaker 2: we got To See malik thomas be a really solid
Speaker 2: defender AT the, sec level which some might argue is
Speaker 2: the most athletic conference in, college basketball so we got
Speaker 2: to see elite take on those athletic assignments on the.
Speaker 2: Defensive end his rebounding, got better and then if you
Speaker 2: look at Just as sister turnover ratio in college he
Speaker 2: was as high as some of the best people within.
Speaker 2: This class and that's with him sacrificing the mode potent
Speaker 2: aspect of. His game and then you start, thinking, about
Speaker 2: like is there the Coach cal pari effect here where
Speaker 2: like the second or third guard they typically have to
Speaker 2: sacrifice a lot whenever they play for coach cal for
Speaker 2: the greater good of. The program so is there this
Speaker 2: like unearthed on ball Potential With maliite thomas that we
Speaker 2: didn't get to see because he played with the people
Speaker 2: who he. PLAYED with i thought that coming out of
Speaker 2: his lone Season in ARKANSAS and i had HIM ranked
Speaker 2: i think like twenty second or. Twenty third and that's.
Speaker 3: Me being high.
Speaker 2: On him, you know in a class that, you know
Speaker 2: typically you're not gonna see more than you know twenty
Speaker 2: two to twenty five players survive a. Draft Class so,
Speaker 2: I'M like i still believe in, this GUY but i
Speaker 2: still have. My doubts but to see him come Out
Speaker 2: for cleveland and drop thirty balls like, it's nothing and
Speaker 2: not even just, the numbers but it's the manner in
Speaker 2: which he's. Doing, it dan the fact that he's driving
Speaker 2: and dunking on people, is like.
Speaker 3: Where in the heck we're in the heck is?
Speaker 2: This MAN but i genuinely think that him learning how
Speaker 2: to do that everything else at a high level and
Speaker 2: a very competitive conference in college basketball helped his development
Speaker 2: to the point to where he knows what the number one.
Speaker 2: Guy needs but he still has that diet you know
Speaker 2: that dynamism to his game to where you have to
Speaker 2: pay attention to him as, a scorer and it just
Speaker 2: made him such a complete basketball player in his loan
Speaker 2: season in college to, Where yeah i'm buying there's probably
Speaker 2: some really good scoring potential here, with him and It's
Speaker 2: not he's not a one. Trick pony like we Just
Speaker 2: Saw isaiah evans come Out of duke and Play. For
Speaker 2: minnesota he did not a lot of People Liked isaiah
Speaker 2: evans more So Than eliite thomas because the size and
Speaker 2: whatever the case. Might be but we saw him Struggle.
Speaker 2: At minnesota he did not look anywhere near as Good As.
Speaker 2: Malik thomas and you, Might, say okay he did so
Speaker 2: good a, summer league now we can't trust him if
Speaker 2: you want to play. THAT game i totally. Understand IT
Speaker 2: but i believe that this could have been a possible
Speaker 2: outcome with him before we.
Speaker 3: Saw it, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah i'm Buying The malik thomas stock that there is
Speaker 2: more to him than what we got to See.
Speaker 3: At. ARKANSAS yeah i.
Speaker 1: MEAN also i mean six assists per one hundred to
Speaker 1: two turnovers basically per one hundred possessions for summer league.
Speaker 1: Is insane like it's. JUST bonkers i do want.
Speaker 2: In keeping with his college, Numbers too like if you
Speaker 2: look at, his college if you go To bart torvik
Speaker 2: and look up, college stats his assister turnover Ratio at
Speaker 2: arkansas was at.
Speaker 1: That level is he someone who can like generate more
Speaker 1: free throw attempts or is that not going to be
Speaker 1: part of? His game do you think.
Speaker 2: That's Where i'll i'll put on the brakes a little
Speaker 2: bit to the to the Train that i'm. DRIVING here
Speaker 2: i don't know if he's going to be a natural.
Speaker 2: DOWNHILL driver i think he's gonna need to. Get stronger but,
Speaker 2: that frame super, squared off, upper body, long arms looks
Speaker 2: he's going to be able, to support, you know some
Speaker 2: some developmental strength as he.
Speaker 3: Gets better i'm.
Speaker 2: Not really it's NOT what i would be hanging my,
Speaker 2: hat on Like if i'm, Developing, HIM like i don't
Speaker 2: think that it's gonna be a big part of. His
Speaker 2: GAME but i think it's gonna be something that he's
Speaker 2: going to have to LEARN because i don't think he's
Speaker 2: been put in position to where that's like a natural
Speaker 2: aspect of. HIS game i think that's going to be
Speaker 2: something that, You know cleveland is going to have to
Speaker 2: work with him on to get there because we just haven't.
Speaker 3: SEEN it i.
Speaker 1: Don't know if he even needs to be like a
Speaker 1: downhill threat to get because some of the circular paths
Speaker 1: he took to, the BASKET as i would, describe HIM
Speaker 1: and i think IT was i want to say it
Speaker 1: Was the. Miami game we're. Just stunning. To me we're
Speaker 1: just like it was just kind of bailouts for cutest
Speaker 1: pass to. The basket and so if he's going to
Speaker 1: be able to do that in addition to shoot the
Speaker 1: ball the way that he did and then not even,
Speaker 1: just passed but like just protecting possessions the way to make.
Speaker 3: Great, decisions yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like are we gonna sit here and say we
Speaker 1: did This With jalen tyson. Last year It's like cavs
Speaker 1: like might have kind of just mind this gem and
Speaker 1: it seems like they might have done. IT again i
Speaker 1: Really liked.
Speaker 3: Tyson too you're Talking at maharshing's here with.
Speaker 1: The names they need. Him now he's that as we're.
Speaker 1: Recording this he's their best on ball wing defender at,
Speaker 1: the moment so they. Need, him UH before i ask
Speaker 1: you for some like quick hitting stuff on sophomores In.
Speaker 1: Summer league were there any other rookies or any other
Speaker 1: just general takeaways and some of the first year players
Speaker 1: that you saw that you wanted.
Speaker 2: To discuss I'll give coapte a shout out because he
Speaker 2: was the guy throughout the YEAR that i, was like
Speaker 2: his production did not match the accolades that he had
Speaker 2: coming into. The year dan like he was the only
Speaker 2: guy who Could Rival cam boozer in terms of high, school, accomplishments. Recognitions,
Speaker 2: accolades like however you want to, phrase that he was
Speaker 2: the only one who can rival That Of. Cam boozer
Speaker 2: his first Game against florida was a, fantastic game but
Speaker 2: it was a roller coaster. ALL season a lot and
Speaker 2: a lot has been made of his three point, shooting
Speaker 2: pre during and, post combine and it was just like
Speaker 2: one of those things where he's got, the frame he's got.
Speaker 2: The athleticism he clearly is a, smart player because even
Speaker 2: though he was a, disappointing year he was like A
Speaker 2: High may hawkes to this team to where he could
Speaker 2: like make good decisions with the ball and pass. People
Speaker 2: OPEN and i, was like my comparison for him was
Speaker 2: How may Hawks like i'm PRETTY sure i would draft
Speaker 2: him in the Same range hawkes. Was Taken but i'm
Speaker 2: also worried that he could have been This Year's. Peyton
Speaker 2: watson BUT then i watched Him At, summer league and
Speaker 2: The Whole payton watson thing was highly, regarded recruit underperformed,
Speaker 2: in college still found a way to be productive and
Speaker 2: valuable IN. The nba we're seeing that now with, you
Speaker 2: Know the hull contract projections with him for his free.
Speaker 2: Agency NOW but i started THINKING when i was Watching
Speaker 2: Co o pete playing For the phoenix that maybe that
Speaker 2: bar was. Too low maybe me saying that he could
Speaker 2: be this Class As peyton watson was too low because
Speaker 2: we saw him shoot the ball, With confidence we saw
Speaker 2: him attack, the paint we saw him head topping people
Speaker 2: and dunking on people In In. Summer league we saw
Speaker 2: him kind Of Taunt, nata mint who was drafted, significantly
Speaker 2: higher whenever he finished, over him hitting him with the
Speaker 2: two small selly. On HIM so i just was so
Speaker 2: impressed with the confidence and the productivity With co OPETE
Speaker 2: that I that i'm worried that we as a draft community.
Speaker 2: Undervalued him and there is always like there's it feels
Speaker 2: like almost every class has this guy who, was like
Speaker 2: did not play up to, the expectations but we should
Speaker 2: have seen it coming And, CO opede i feel like it's.
Speaker 3: That guy.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if he'll get Minutes in phoenix
Speaker 1: just because the forward Now With miles, bridges there they
Speaker 1: have OsO in the front court to go with common
Speaker 1: mile A Watch. Mark williams i'm curious if he'll be
Speaker 1: able to Get.
Speaker 3: Sure fleming was pretty good Too In. SUMMER league i.
Speaker 1: Thought he was gonna play or sounded. Like sheer fleming
Speaker 1: was in line to get like thirty minutes a game
Speaker 1: next season Before The miles, bridges trade which is maybe
Speaker 1: why part of the reason you Make The miles. Bridges
Speaker 1: TRADE do i need to? Really QUICKLY do i need
Speaker 1: to sell my dawn swayin stock or is he simply
Speaker 1: not a? Point guard IS that i?
Speaker 2: WOULD say i would say. Sell IT and I Like
Speaker 2: dalan swain a.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: Bit, yeah sometimes like people will, you know in what,
Speaker 2: we do people ask you questions on like what do You,
Speaker 2: Value dan like whenever you're looking at, you, know contracts team,
Speaker 2: construct whatever like what do you?
Speaker 3: Value MOST when i Was At.
Speaker 2: SUMMER league i got asked that question a, few, times, Like,
Speaker 2: hey steven you know obviously like certain things or sticky
Speaker 2: to the question that you, asked earlier like certain things
Speaker 2: are more sticky. Than others what is it that you
Speaker 2: look for from a prospect Here At? Summer league, to
Speaker 2: me it's come, For ABILITY like i don't necessarily care
Speaker 2: so much of the efficiency or you know how many
Speaker 2: touches you're getting, per se but how comfortable do you
Speaker 2: look with the role and the opportunities that are giving.
Speaker 2: To You dalen swain did not look comfortable out there on,
Speaker 2: the court, you KNOW. Like i he didn't look. Comfortable
Speaker 2: shooting he didn't look comfortable being. A playmaker there was
Speaker 2: So Much noah essenay out there To where, i'm Like
Speaker 2: if noah S and gay is kind of pushing you
Speaker 2: in terms of like role production stuff, like that it's
Speaker 2: not a. Great SIGN and i just Think that chicago
Speaker 2: probably was one of the more kind of like downside
Speaker 2: environments for him to LAND because i don't think that
Speaker 2: he he doesn't solve any of the problems that the,
Speaker 2: roster HAS and i don't think that the strengths.
Speaker 3: That he that he provides are more than what's.
Speaker 2: Already there if that, Makes SENSE so i think it's
Speaker 2: a tough spot For him land.
Speaker 1: It makes sense and absolutely disembattles my soul at the,
Speaker 1: same TIME so i hate. It.
Speaker 3: Too brother let's talk.
Speaker 1: Some sophomores let's see how many of these guys can
Speaker 1: get through before we NEED discadadle i. NEED to i
Speaker 1: think the two that need to be talked about Start
Speaker 1: With yegor joeman Buy or sell his sudden improvement as
Speaker 1: an inside the arc attacker And finisher ali hoop.
Speaker 2: Finisher Too yeah i'm, Buying, Man yeah i'm. Buying it,
Speaker 2: you know when we went to our team Dinner In
Speaker 2: caesar's Palace, in vegas we actually Walked pat we were
Speaker 2: like walking in Step with yegor And With mike hel
Speaker 2: and a few other players for the For, the NETS
Speaker 2: and i just looked at HIM and i, Was, like
Speaker 2: gosh this dude, is huge and he's getting, like stronger
Speaker 2: like you can, see it and like the mass and,
Speaker 2: the definition and he already blew the doors off of
Speaker 2: my expectations as a shooter in his rookie season For
Speaker 2: the nets TO where i felt like that made the
Speaker 2: rest of his game that much more projectable and the
Speaker 2: developmental path for him a little with less resistance in
Speaker 2: him getting to where he needs to. Get TO and
Speaker 2: i think that what we saw him Do In summer
Speaker 2: league is only just like a slight indication of like
Speaker 2: what the rest of the league kind of has to
Speaker 2: look forward to because he's he's making that sophomore improvement
Speaker 2: in terms of like rounding out the entire offense.
Speaker 1: For him he was one of the very FEW things
Speaker 1: i was right about with in the past year was
Speaker 1: pumping the brakes on people saying That the nets completely
Speaker 1: fucked up their draft. LAST year, i thought.
Speaker 2: You gotta hammer the you gotta hammer.
Speaker 3: The, victories dude you.
Speaker 1: Were right the shooting, was like that WAS what i
Speaker 1: was told to be concerned about, Coming IN and i
Speaker 1: think one it makes for an easier fit Now Alongside Mikel.
Speaker 1: Brown jr and they Are Throwing julius randall into. The
Speaker 1: Mix The julius randall trade bums me out a little
Speaker 1: bit more NOW because i don't want it to monopolize
Speaker 1: Touches From jeglor Joeman Or Mikel. Brown JUNIOR but i
Speaker 1: think both of those Guys are everyone probably hates this
Speaker 1: word now but they're scalable enough to make, it work
Speaker 1: like the Jeg or Joe And Michael. Brown junior even
Speaker 1: Just Having Michael porter, junior there whether he's a long
Speaker 1: term piece, or not this team has the potential some
Speaker 1: really interesting things. On offense, and yeah talk about a
Speaker 1: Sicko With jordi fernandez is your head? Coach, Too uh
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a sneaky good league PASS watch i think.
Speaker 1: This season uh with you buy, Or sell i've got
Speaker 1: acually two, for him but buy or cell common, model
Speaker 1: watches three point touch or just viability is the pick
Speaker 1: and pop threat that he Was In.
Speaker 2: Summer league i'm buying IT if i can. Sell anything it's.
Speaker 2: His nickname people are calling Him, man MAN and I
Speaker 2: hate oh They're not please tell Me, that no that's That's,
Speaker 2: that's oh it's. A thing it's it's, a THING and i.
Speaker 2: Hate IT but I we i feel LIKE if i,
Speaker 2: CARED enough i could help. Workshop something but to, the
Speaker 2: question the the one that, YOU asked i am buying
Speaker 2: the three. Point shooting i'm in an Almost Like brydon
Speaker 2: burry's Territory with mam malowatch to where like you, can
Speaker 2: say can Come on malla watch dot dot dot do
Speaker 2: you buy?
Speaker 3: Or sell i'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Buy IT and i was not a big mam mallow
Speaker 2: watch guy coming into his draft because, YOU know i
Speaker 2: talked ABOUT how i value comfortability for. Big men if
Speaker 2: there's ANYTHING that i want to see in a, big,
Speaker 2: MAN like i want them to kind of have. A
Speaker 2: problem i want them to be a little bit mean.
Speaker 2: AND nasty i want them to be. A bully And
Speaker 2: man man. WAS not, I know i tried it ON
Speaker 2: and i. Hate it i'm returning it back to the
Speaker 2: nickname store. Right Now, at douke he was so DEFERENTIAL
Speaker 2: that i, WAS like i don't KNOW if i can buy.
Speaker 2: Into THIS like i get, THE potential i get that
Speaker 2: he's late to, THE game i get, THE size i
Speaker 2: get the all. These things but he was so DIFFERENTIAL
Speaker 2: that i, WAS like i. Don't like mentality to me
Speaker 2: is like one of those things that's like it's kind
Speaker 2: of who, you are, You know so Like if i'm
Speaker 2: the guy that Misses on Kama, Male watch i'm gonna
Speaker 2: be the guy that misses. On him and we didn't
Speaker 2: see him play that much as, a rookie but watching
Speaker 2: Him In, summer league, It's, like oh this dude has
Speaker 2: been working on literally every aspect of basketball to include
Speaker 2: that three. Point shot i'm, Buying IT Like i i'll
Speaker 2: wait until to the second by sell, with him But
Speaker 2: like i'm in dangerous territory Here With.
Speaker 3: Kama.
Speaker 1: Mola watch so the second one is do you he
Speaker 1: did still make me nervous in some of his catches on,
Speaker 1: The move so do you buy or sell that his,
Speaker 1: his hands that part of, his game the coordination is gonna.
Speaker 2: Be okay i'm buying that it's gonna be okay just
Speaker 2: because of the literally the development of everything Else from
Speaker 2: you're one.
Speaker 3: To, Two like i'm.
Speaker 2: BUYING it i think that the hands are gonna are gonna.
Speaker 2: BE there i just think the mentality shift for him
Speaker 2: to where, for me the question was as a rookie
Speaker 2: with him is like is he going to be like
Speaker 2: a starting level center IN? The nba can he be
Speaker 2: like a top twenty center IN? The nba, Like now,
Speaker 2: I'M like i might need some billsim and settled down,
Speaker 2: Juice Here but i'm starting to get to. The question
Speaker 2: i'm starting to. Get to the points is like can
Speaker 2: this dude be like one of the best big men IN,
Speaker 2: the nba like upper echelon big men IN, the nba
Speaker 2: Like not Nikolaiokich or Joe, l embi, but like can
Speaker 2: he be like In that bam outa bio level of
Speaker 2: Big MEN like i don't think that's outside Of the romo.
Speaker 3: Possibility anymore with his year one to year or. Two,
Speaker 3: improvements wow that's.
Speaker 1: THAT'S exciting i don't KNOW if i could get, The
Speaker 1: offense i'm still kind of have question marks for but
Speaker 1: the defense is just and he looks stronger even. On
Speaker 1: offense the screens just feel like he's. Connecting more he
Speaker 1: knows when to slip him or when to. Not to
Speaker 1: now that's the final BUYER cell i have. For him,
Speaker 1: IN spoiler i, WOULD buy i said buy or Sell
Speaker 1: common mala watch starting For the Suns by christmas and
Speaker 1: that's a team that's trying. To Win and i'll Stick
Speaker 1: with Christmas and i'll just. Take by at, THIS point
Speaker 1: i might Not, be oh he's The next bam like,
Speaker 1: you're SAYING and i know you're not necessarily. Predicting, that
Speaker 1: yeah just start, him now what are? WE doing i
Speaker 1: know you Just Resign mark williams and you Have no
Speaker 1: just start, Him, now.
Speaker 3: Yeah this is clearly.
Speaker 2: The future Like the suns sneakily have like one of
Speaker 2: the more interesting collection of young talent on, this team
Speaker 2: and it shouldn't be that way with how you know
Speaker 2: by this now you know kind of like f them,
Speaker 2: picks mentality they should not have an exciting collection of,
Speaker 2: young talent but, they do, you know like and it's
Speaker 2: all in the, front court by, the way so they
Speaker 2: got to round. It out it's got to be a
Speaker 2: little bit more. Evenly DISTRIBUTED but i Still Like. Raser flemings,
Speaker 2: YOU know i said on our show that a smart
Speaker 2: team should try to make this be like the Second To,
Speaker 2: Monty kamara like they have so much stuff at that,
Speaker 2: four Spot and rashier has looked good with every Opportunity
Speaker 2: that phoenix has given him to, where Like if i'm a,
Speaker 2: smart teamer.
Speaker 1: Trade doesn't like displace him from.
Speaker 2: The, rotation yeah the smart team should pluck him away from.
Speaker 2: That situation like two second, round picks three second. Round picks,
Speaker 2: you know it's gotten a lot better Talent Than rashier
Speaker 2: fleming TO where i think if you came To the
Speaker 2: suns with two second round picks and like a stash
Speaker 2: candidate like maybe you can sway.
Speaker 3: Them, Away.
Speaker 1: Uh i'm trying to SEE what i. Get THROUGH so
Speaker 1: i want to Talk About yugo gonzales really quickly buy
Speaker 1: or sell the idea of him getting, i'll say noticeably
Speaker 1: more on ball Responsibilities in boston because it'd probably be.
Speaker 1: Tough too when you're looking at the on ball action
Speaker 1: share of possession that he had, last year it'd be
Speaker 1: tough for him to like, go down there's really nowhere.
Speaker 1: To go but but, but yeah put the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands a Lot In. Summer league he wasn't hyper
Speaker 1: efficient as, a scorer but for a team that some
Speaker 1: of the passes, he threw he's running pick and rolls
Speaker 1: some of the pass, HE threw, i thought we're just
Speaker 1: really spot on and they need another perimeter player who
Speaker 1: is comfortable After Trading, jalen brown because That's Not paul
Speaker 1: pulters might be a better fit for assoula Ball Than,
Speaker 1: jalen brown but he's not going to give you the
Speaker 1: on ball rim pressure from the wing. Spot anymore and,
Speaker 1: You lo. Gonzales might and so if he, can pass
Speaker 1: or if he can just take a ball screen and
Speaker 1: kind of run the offense, That way i'm not really,
Speaker 1: predict IT but i might be prepared to buy this
Speaker 1: one in a WAY that i would not have been
Speaker 1: like four to six.
Speaker 3: Weeks ago i'll.
Speaker 2: Give it a slide up arrow JUST because i think
Speaker 2: to the point that you Just made dan like there's
Speaker 2: like a vacuum that it's got to be filled in.
Speaker 2: The aggregate And if boston is looking to put him
Speaker 2: in the position that they Did In, summer league then
Speaker 2: that tells me that that front office is thinking that
Speaker 2: there could be something. To that But Even paul george
Speaker 2: and like the role that he's, IN now i think
Speaker 2: that he's going to be asked to make. Good Decisions
Speaker 2: peyton pritchard is everyone is trying to make can be
Speaker 2: The New, jalen brunson, AND uh i don't know if
Speaker 2: that's going to be, a THING but i think that
Speaker 2: he's gonna ask to do a lot. Of CREATION and
Speaker 2: i don't want to forget too That Like baylor shireman
Speaker 2: in every level of college that he played showed that
Speaker 2: he is like a very good like ball handler and.
Speaker 2: Passer too LIKE if i had to buy anyone from
Speaker 2: like the lower portions of that rotation to take a
Speaker 2: step up and playmaking, and distribution it Would Be. Baylor
Speaker 2: SHIREMAN but i think you like in terms of like
Speaker 2: where they were last year to, this Year can google
Speaker 2: could take? ON more i, think so just because it's
Speaker 2: got to be one and, the aggregate But not i'm
Speaker 2: not buying As much HUGO as I Am.
Speaker 1: Baylor shireman the other THING with, i mean even both
Speaker 1: those guys, is that Like, with ugo the Role In
Speaker 1: summer league is not even to be kind of indicative
Speaker 1: of what he's doing on The. Actual CELTICS so i
Speaker 1: might be getting a little bit too carried away.
Speaker 3: With that's the.
Speaker 2: Summer league as for though you're supposed to if you like,
Speaker 2: the guy you're supposed to hammer the summer league showing that's.
Speaker 1: The, RULES well i can't tell if this is reckless anymore.
Speaker 1: Or Not Because blackcool bali was one of my. Favorite
Speaker 1: prospects buy Or Sell will riley being a better prospect
Speaker 1: Than Block cool bali, Right now i'm.
Speaker 3: Buying it, you know is it.
Speaker 1: Even the question at? This point is?
Speaker 5: IT debatable i think some people, would, say well technically on,
Speaker 5: this team you know what Ball Cole a bali brings
Speaker 5: as a perimeter defender, And like i'm sure you could
Speaker 5: probably get real, you know you could get a lot of, you,
Speaker 5: know scrutiny depending on what you value more in.
Speaker 2: A Prospect But will riley was just, very much very
Speaker 2: apparent that he's ready to take on a larger, scoring
Speaker 2: responsibility which again is interesting with the whole tree young and.
Speaker 2: Ad acquisitions and you Still Got keishaan george on this
Speaker 2: team too.
Speaker 1: Before he got injured last. Year, too.
Speaker 2: Yeah fantastic and then you Add aj debasa who inherently
Speaker 2: is going to take on a lot of usage and
Speaker 2: a lot of playmaking and stuff, like THAT which i
Speaker 2: think east away at the stuff That Ballall cola bally is.
Speaker 2: Good at by, the way he's not a, floor Spacer
Speaker 2: And will riley just flat out phenomenal like as a
Speaker 2: floor spacer now with, good size a good, decision maker
Speaker 2: stronger than what his frame would. Otherwise indicate, Forgive me
Speaker 2: i'm forgetting the player's NAME because i call him by
Speaker 2: his awesome nickname. So much but Who is Kelly You.
Speaker 2: BRAY jr i remember his NAME before i. EMBARRASS myself i.
Speaker 1: Think, That's great that's that's a.
Speaker 6: Great Nickname will riley has got a Lot of tsunami
Speaker 6: poppy in his in, his GAME and i think we
Speaker 6: saw a lot of That At summer, league too to
Speaker 6: where like he is so he's better at.
Speaker 3: The fundamentals than like the like.
Speaker 2: The flashy nature to his game like gives him, credit
Speaker 2: for but he's so much fun to watch whenever he's on.
Speaker 2: A heater that's kind of like the ROLE that i
Speaker 2: See Will will riley bringing To The washington wizards is
Speaker 2: like this, heat check offensive engine guy who can do
Speaker 2: a lot more of The anti larry things than he's
Speaker 2: gonna get. Credit for but he's gonna be kind of
Speaker 2: like the fan Favorite Like. Bobblehead night, you know he's
Speaker 2: gonna be the guy that the fans are getting behind
Speaker 2: and making cool chants for and stuff. LIKE that i
Speaker 2: think it's easily in my Opinion That will riley is
Speaker 2: gonna usurp ballall Cool of bally.
Speaker 1: That wing Rotation, in, washington man is.
Speaker 2: It's, Legitesty YEAH can i ask question about oh about?
Speaker 2: That team what do you Think about alex sar on
Speaker 2: this team? Moving forward like he's the one guy to
Speaker 2: WHERE like i don't know like what to expect from
Speaker 2: him at all with the way that this roster is
Speaker 2: kind of fleshed out.
Speaker 1: As NICE i'm I think i was higher on him
Speaker 1: before they Brought In. Anthony davis and obviously those two
Speaker 1: have not played, together yet but it shows that, to me,
Speaker 1: AT least i telegraphs and then they go ahead and
Speaker 1: trade for eight and that they want him to play
Speaker 1: more of a. Four ROLE and i actually think when
Speaker 1: you're looking at the physicality and kind of, THE finishing i.
Speaker 1: Get it but just the things that he can do,
Speaker 1: ON offense i think the shooting is gonna be fine
Speaker 1: when he's putting the ball on. The floor even some
Speaker 1: of the things that he can do from, THE standstill
Speaker 1: i think that's more of. A mismatch i don't even
Speaker 1: think we know that's more of a mismatch at, the
Speaker 1: FIVE and i think that. He is they haven't had
Speaker 1: great with the Exception of Balakol, about, lee like they
Speaker 1: haven't had great defensive talent. AROUND him i think that
Speaker 1: that's someone who could, be inoperable like. Five Anchors so
Speaker 1: i'm still pretty High On. ALEX sar i don't like
Speaker 1: the IDEA of i don't want it to be their
Speaker 1: default or their, Go to like if we get to
Speaker 1: a point, where, Like Oh alex aar. IS closing i
Speaker 1: know we're seeing more dual, big LINEUPS but. I don't
Speaker 1: i just feel like that puts him in a position
Speaker 1: to where the three point shot needs to be a
Speaker 1: marquee element of, his GAME and i don't necessarily when
Speaker 1: you look at his skill set and the things that he,
Speaker 1: COULD do i thought getting Someone Like trey young in
Speaker 1: there was just enough because that WAS he i thought
Speaker 1: he just needed someone to set him. UP more. I
Speaker 1: didn't he needed that to me way more than. He,
Speaker 1: NEEDED oh i need another big or two to.
Speaker 2: Insulate, Me yeah and that's kind of Like where i'm at.
Speaker 2: As well it's almost kind of it's like it's their
Speaker 2: Version Of Jaron jackson junior on a team that already
Speaker 2: had enough front court play on it, to like how
Speaker 2: is this gonna fit on? This team does he now play?
Speaker 2: The four is he is he still? A, Five like
Speaker 2: i'm just curious what his function and role on that
Speaker 2: team is. GONNA be i think that they're gonna need
Speaker 2: HIM to i think they're gonna need that three point
Speaker 2: shooting to be to word that you, just said like
Speaker 2: a marquee element with the floor spacing that this team is,
Speaker 2: gonna have at least in The immediate it's gonna be
Speaker 2: interesting to see if they look to play Him and,
Speaker 2: davis together because defensively that could be. Really fun, but,
Speaker 2: offensively like you're talking about two guys who aren't shot shooting,
Speaker 2: from deep but they're not the most efficient from out.
Speaker 3: There either.
Speaker 1: Can you buy? Or sell i'm gonna frame it, this
Speaker 1: way buy. Or SELL if i set the over Under
Speaker 1: At trey johnson as a one and a half, level
Speaker 1: scorer you're going to buy or sell the over the under.
Speaker 1: On that how's that for a confusing?
Speaker 2: Frame, IT no i get exactly what, you're saying and
Speaker 2: it's almost to the playmaking portion of what we talked
Speaker 2: about Earlier With. DARREN peterson i think that's the like
Speaker 2: you should be a bookie with the lines that.
Speaker 3: You're selling.
Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna, sell IT and i don't feel great
Speaker 2: about IT because i Really Love trey johnson coming Out
Speaker 2: of texas within his, DRAFT too i think that he
Speaker 2: is going to provide a scoring punch that is. Desperately
Speaker 2: needed we talked just a second ago about the three
Speaker 2: point shooting woes that this team. Might Have trey johnson
Speaker 2: has got to be the guy that opens the floor
Speaker 2: up for so.
Speaker 3: MANY people.
Speaker 2: I think that he can be, a good kind of
Speaker 2: like complimentary scorer to.
Speaker 3: The team you.
Speaker 2: Obviously don't the, problem IS and i think that a
Speaker 2: lot of people people would answer this in a similar
Speaker 2: way to where how good is the team going to
Speaker 2: Be If? Trey Johnson trey johnson is your number one
Speaker 2: scorer on, your team because in, my opinion it's not
Speaker 2: going to be as dynamic as it's going to be
Speaker 2: compared to the like the good teams IN.
Speaker 3: The, Nba right so if.
Speaker 2: He's your, best score, to me that says a lot
Speaker 2: about where your team is and it's developmental stages and
Speaker 2: probably in the win loss column.
Speaker 3: As well But.
Speaker 2: If trey johnson is like, your second, you know score
Speaker 2: offensively but still kind of like your third or fourth,
Speaker 2: best player then you have a really.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: Team Right so i'm selling that he is the best
Speaker 2: scorer on this TEAM because i think this team is
Speaker 2: starting to is going to want to start taking steps
Speaker 2: into improving their win loss column. This year.
Speaker 1: Liam McNeely fooled me once. Last year he might be
Speaker 1: fooling me Twice because i'm prepared to, buy this but
Speaker 1: buy Or sell liam McNeely being, more important playing a
Speaker 1: more prominent role In the hornets. This season And Then
Speaker 1: grayson Allen And. Christian anderson oh that's a two For their.
Speaker 2: That's interesting i'm not A Big christian, anderson GUY but
Speaker 2: i know a lot of people. Who Are And GRAYSON
Speaker 2: allen i think is. Phasing out let me. BUY this
Speaker 2: i think that this this should be. A, buy like
Speaker 2: if You're a, hornets fan you want to. Buy this
Speaker 2: this is enticing stock for you, right now especially with,
Speaker 2: You know ball being out of. The system now You
Speaker 2: Have konkin nipple who's probably gonna take a larger. CREATION
Speaker 2: role i, would imagine, you know because you know rookie
Speaker 2: of the year favorite for most of the season. LAST
Speaker 2: year i Like What brandon. Miller does he's not a
Speaker 2: big pressure point. Offensively either so if You want kawn
Speaker 2: to be this on ball guy who is going to
Speaker 2: be taking some of the offensive. CREATION duties i Know
Speaker 2: that white is on. This team he's also not like
Speaker 2: the most ideal table. Setter either he's more scored tilted
Speaker 2: then he. IS passing i Think if con is going
Speaker 2: to be the guy who this team is going to
Speaker 2: be looking to, to be, you know to kind of
Speaker 2: bear the burden of. Creation role you need a Guy
Speaker 2: like liam McNeely to step up and be the Teammate
Speaker 2: To cooper flag that, he was And To derek queen
Speaker 2: and all these other great talent and be that knockdown three,
Speaker 2: point shooter this dynamic scorer who is going to work
Speaker 2: well off of. ANOTHER creator i think you have to
Speaker 2: buy this if You're a. HORNETS fan i still want.
Speaker 2: TO believe i still want to invest into the good
Speaker 2: will that this team showed. Last, Season Dan so i'm
Speaker 2: gonna Buy the liam McNeely being significantly Better Than grayson
Speaker 2: Allen And. CHRISTIAN anderson i.
Speaker 1: Wanna buy it to it really dig in my heels
Speaker 1: after some of the RECKLESS things i said about him
Speaker 1: after Last Year's. Summer league are there any other sophomores
Speaker 1: that you wanted to that you think that you'd like
Speaker 1: To DISCUSS before i let, YOU skidattle i.
Speaker 2: Would just give a this is you know For the
Speaker 2: sickos we Talked about. Sikos Earlier cheney johnson For The,
Speaker 2: BROOKLYN nets i think. WAS fantastic i think that he
Speaker 2: should be, hands down like ON an. Nba contract brooklyn
Speaker 2: didn't really front a lot of big men out there
Speaker 2: and like no Offense To, danny wolf but he did
Speaker 2: not answer any of the concerns that we had. With
Speaker 2: him outside of just being a floor spacing. Big Man
Speaker 2: chaney johnson did so much of the dirty work For The.
Speaker 2: Brooklyn nets we saw him dive on, the ball, rebound,
Speaker 2: pass defend like finish around. THE basket i just think
Speaker 2: in terms of LIKE a i, don't know like A
Speaker 2: da quon PLoud and For The, sacramento kings who has
Speaker 2: gone From the hawks To the kings SURVIVED to nba
Speaker 2: teams ON real, NBA contracts i think that you can
Speaker 2: look at a Guy Like cheney johnson and, be like
Speaker 2: very okay with him being a part of your rotation
Speaker 2: if YOU'RE an, nba team because. He sacrifices he does
Speaker 2: all the things that the cool players on the team
Speaker 2: don't want to do that they. STILL value I just
Speaker 2: i was really IMPRESSED because i didn't have many thoughts
Speaker 2: about him coming Out of auburn SURVIVING, the nba but
Speaker 2: he very much so looks like a like hands down
Speaker 2: should be ON an nba. Contract guaranteed moving forward for
Speaker 2: the rest of his career type of.
Speaker 3: A player i.
Speaker 1: Felt a lot of the things you said ECHO how
Speaker 1: i Feel About javon Small, in memphis especially because sure
Speaker 1: now he's, on it they have too many players and
Speaker 1: so he's on his Two Way and i'm just he's
Speaker 1: A standard. NBA player i mean you look at things
Speaker 1: he was doing defensively as, a passer as.
Speaker 2: A finisher i'm, With, you yeah he's another guy who
Speaker 2: hands down is LIKE an, Nba, player like what are
Speaker 2: we doing other TWENTY nine nba teams who probably need
Speaker 2: some point, guard depth, you know, like ye to, your
Speaker 2: point they have a bunch on they have an embarrassment
Speaker 2: of point guard prospects on.
Speaker 1: That, Team, uh steven this was. Absolutely fantastic thank you
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