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Speaker 1: the hospital. We have Major League Baseball Wildcard playoffs to go.
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on today on this Wednesday, so
Speaker 1: full show. But we're going to start in what is
Speaker 1: believed to be the beginning of a wider war in
Speaker 1: the Middle East, Shannon Kingston is an ABC News State
Speaker 1: Department correspondent who's going to join us live from the
Speaker 1: State Department. The Ambassador to the UN today for Israel
Speaker 1: said this.
Speaker 2: Israel will not stand by in the face of such
Speaker 2: a vision. Israel will respond. Our response will be decisive,
Speaker 2: and yes, it will be painful.
Speaker 1: And of course he's talking about a response to the
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty plus missiles that were fired from
Speaker 1: Iran into Israel yesterday. Shannon, the State Department obviously has
Speaker 1: ears to the ground when it comes to this sort
Speaker 1: of thing. Are we being naive when we say we're
Speaker 1: waiting for a wider war? Aren't we already in it?
Speaker 3: Well, that's definitely an argument that you can make because
Speaker 3: we've seen chapter after chapter of escalation. But if farm
Speaker 3: An officials say it still could get much worse before
Speaker 3: it has a possibility to get better. So we do
Speaker 3: know that US officials have been engaged with Israeli counterparts,
Speaker 3: really since those Iranian missiles were actively streaking across the
Speaker 3: sky in Tel Aviv and other major cities in Israel,
Speaker 3: to try to find the right response to this aggression.
Speaker 3: The sweet spot of a target that Israel can hit
Speaker 3: that won't prompt another retaliation from Iran another strike, but
Speaker 3: also will really you know, follow through on the threat
Speaker 3: to make these consequences felt.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Supreme Leader of Iran is a
Speaker 1: potential target in some sort of retaliation.
Speaker 3: I think it would be difficult to hit the Supreme Leader.
Speaker 3: I think that that would be on the far end
Speaker 3: of the scale as well. If Israel had the option,
Speaker 3: might be possible. I don't want to speculate, but really
Speaker 3: what they're looking at is possibly going after Iranian energy production,
Speaker 3: maybe oil production. Now that's the backbone of their economy.
Speaker 3: So that's something US officials have kicked around as a
Speaker 3: more serious target that they could hit without kind of
Speaker 3: you know, going all the way to one end of
Speaker 3: the spectrum. Now, US official some have argued that they
Speaker 3: want to see Israel stick to purely military targets in
Speaker 3: iron So this is very much discussion that's still playing out,
Speaker 3: and Israeli officials haven't really settled on an answer yet.
Speaker 1: I don't want to belittle the current conflict that's going on,
Speaker 1: but if this is a bar fight and we the
Speaker 1: United States are trying to hold our friend back from
Speaker 1: kicking somebody's butt. What do we say, What does the
Speaker 1: Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln say to his counterpart in
Speaker 1: Israel to try to prevent this from getting out of hand.
Speaker 3: Or really what the Secretary has been saying, what other
Speaker 3: top officials have been saying to Israel is the message
Speaker 3: that they've been repeating for months now, almost a year.
Speaker 3: Think about the broader security situation, Think about the long
Speaker 3: term consequence of your action. But we do know that
Speaker 3: Israel wants to get back to a place where it
Speaker 3: can establish this feeling of deterrence among its enemies in
Speaker 3: the region. And you know, we also know that they're
Speaker 3: promising that this retaliation is going to come swiftly. So really,
Speaker 3: I think officials are bracing in very much weight and
Speaker 3: sche mode.
Speaker 1: And I know that that whole portion of the world
Speaker 1: is very tangled in terms of alliances. Where do other
Speaker 1: Arab states come down on what happened yesterday? We heard
Speaker 1: anything from from Jordan, from Syria, from Iraq.
Speaker 3: Well, we do know that Jordan did participate in Israeli's sense,
Speaker 3: they haven't come out and directly back to Israel. It's
Speaker 3: still a very fraught topic, especially with ongoing Israeli campaigns
Speaker 3: in Gaza and against Hesbela and Lebanon. But they did
Speaker 3: strike down some of the Iranian missiles that flew over
Speaker 3: their airspace. So the relationship remains very complicated. But one
Speaker 3: thing that the running leadership made clear today is it
Speaker 3: sees very much Israel and the US at linked. Really
Speaker 3: Ron came out and blamed the US for much of
Speaker 3: their problems in the region. So it's the door swings
Speaker 3: both ways here with the alliances.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Shannon, thank you, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Shannon Kingston, ABC News State Department correspondent there
Speaker 1: from the State Department, so we get at least one
Speaker 1: Shannon on the show per day. I believe last night's
Speaker 1: debate between Senator jd Vance of Ohio and Governor Tim
Speaker 1: Walls Minnesota was informative, more informative than the two presidential
Speaker 1: debates that we had seen. It was cordial, a whole
Speaker 1: lot more cordial than we ever saw Trump and Harris,
Speaker 1: or even Trump and Biden. It was introductory, which was
Speaker 1: important because a lot of people don't have any clue
Speaker 1: who either one of these guys happens to be. Now
Speaker 1: that worked for them in different ways, For one thing,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people had a negative opinion
Speaker 1: of JD. Vance because he is now aligned with Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: and they're going to jump to a conclusion about what
Speaker 1: kind of a person would team up with Donald Trump
Speaker 1: on a presidential ticket. But also Tim Walls, Yeah, he's gregarious,
Speaker 1: he's embulent. I'm not even no sure I'm using that
Speaker 1: word right. But he lacked some substance. It seemed on
Speaker 1: some of the answers that he gave last night, it
Speaker 1: wasn't full of personal attacks. In fact, it seemed like
Speaker 1: JD and Tim were going to go out and have
Speaker 1: a beer afterwards.
Speaker 4: But after all of that, after.
Speaker 1: Ninety minutes, it wasn't even necessarily a big win for
Speaker 1: either side. Here's an example JD. Vance referring to the
Speaker 1: governor as Tim, even though that's the first time they've
Speaker 1: ever met.
Speaker 5: Apparently, Tim, I think you got a tough job here
Speaker 5: because you've got to play whack a mole. You've got
Speaker 5: to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take home pay,
Speaker 5: which of course he did. You've got to pretend that
Speaker 5: Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.
Speaker 5: And then you simultaneously got defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic
Speaker 5: record which has made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable fair
Speaker 5: American citizens.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of different times when Tim Walls
Speaker 1: had good lines, good shots towards JD. Vance Basically, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: then defend your boss if you want to call them that,
Speaker 1: defend your running mates record on insert name of this.
Speaker 1: There things got a little awkward, and I felt let
Speaker 1: down by the discussion when it came to abortion specifically,
Speaker 1: because they want to argue the outskirts of that issue.
Speaker 1: They want to argue the partial birth abortion, the nine
Speaker 1: month thing, the six weeks, six week abortion ban, and
Speaker 1: things like that. All of those issues are fringe issues.
Speaker 1: Not that they're not important, don't mishear me. Those are
Speaker 1: important when you talk about it. But the general ideas
Speaker 1: of what is abortion and whether you want to fight
Speaker 1: to keep the right to abortion or you want to
Speaker 1: fight against it, make it rare or make it illegal,
Speaker 1: whichever wherever you come down on it, those issues need
Speaker 1: to be agreed upon in the beginning. I mean basically
Speaker 1: the terms of what you're going to argue about. And
Speaker 1: I thought JD Vance had an opportunity to a missed
Speaker 1: opportunity to say. I mean he referred to women in
Speaker 1: his life who have had abortions in the past, and
Speaker 1: I mean very clearly referenced to whoever he was talking
Speaker 1: about and said, I love you.
Speaker 6: Go on.
Speaker 1: He said that there would be a time when abortion,
Speaker 1: or I should say, there are places where abortion is
Speaker 1: going to be illegal, because that's how the states decide things.
Speaker 1: And as messy as democracy is, that's what this grand
Speaker 1: experiment is of having multiple states, multiple opportunities to come
Speaker 1: up with rules and laws, and if they work, they'll
Speaker 1: work across the country. The thing that he didn't say
Speaker 1: was I don't want anybody to have an abortion based
Speaker 1: on economics. It felt like there was a missed opportunity.
Speaker 1: He was getting to it and then kind of shied
Speaker 1: away from it. I don't want any mother or family
Speaker 1: to feel like they can't afford to have a child
Speaker 1: and that that would be the main reason why they
Speaker 1: would abort their fetus. He had an opportunity to say that,
Speaker 1: and he didn't. They got caught up in the specifics
Speaker 1: of the the text of the law in Minnesota that apparently,
Speaker 1: according to the fact checks that I've seen this morning.
Speaker 1: Jade Vance was a whole lot closer to the truth
Speaker 1: than was Tim Walls. But those are the issues that
Speaker 1: get figured out as we go through and deal with
Speaker 1: it a bit later. There's an interesting piece in the
Speaker 1: opinion piece pieces, I guess you could say, in the
Speaker 1: New York Times today and they asked thirteen of their
Speaker 1: opinion writers to basically grade the debate last night. Again
Speaker 1: this is the New York Time Times. Nine of their
Speaker 1: writers said that jd. Vance won the debate last night
Speaker 1: for a couple of different reasons. They talked about his
Speaker 1: familiarity with the different issues that he was talking about,
Speaker 1: his ability to make Donald Trump likable in their words.
Speaker 1: In fact, one of them said, he made trump Ism
Speaker 1: sound polite, calm, and coherent. Jd Vance not only one
Speaker 1: last night in terms of the debate, in that he
Speaker 1: was able to prove those policies that Donald Trump cannot
Speaker 1: articulate can be articulated by somebody calmly, without personal attacks,
Speaker 1: someone using complete sentences. That's what he was able to
Speaker 1: prove last night, and that's why he came across as likable.
Speaker 1: JD Vance went into the debate last night with the
Speaker 1: lowest likability rating of all the four people on those
Speaker 1: top of the tickets, But he came away so much
Speaker 1: more likable.
Speaker 4: I know the eyeliner jokes are out there.
Speaker 1: My daughter even asked me this morning why these two
Speaker 1: guys on stage last night had better eyeliner than she's
Speaker 1: ever had in her twenty two years of life.
Speaker 4: I didn't have an answer for that.
Speaker 1: But when we come back, I want to go through
Speaker 1: a little bit about this, including who won the debate
Speaker 1: according to the New York Times. It might surprise you,
Speaker 1: but even the people who say the jd Vance won
Speaker 1: the debate had a hard time giving him full credit
Speaker 1: for winning that debate. That and then the two major
Speaker 1: major problems that both candidates had. I should say they
Speaker 1: each had one major problem that could have been avoidable. Well,
Speaker 1: we continue to talk about what happened last night in
Speaker 1: the vice presidential debate between JD.
Speaker 4: Vance and Tim Walls.
Speaker 1: I mentioned a couple of things in terms of the
Speaker 1: big missteps I thought that both of them had, But
Speaker 1: in terms of the general opinion, it appears that jd
Speaker 1: Vance was basically the winner life last night. Joining us
Speaker 1: now from DC is the Bureau chief Mike Vikara for
Speaker 1: News Nation, and Mike.
Speaker 4: I was most interested to see. There's an opinion piece in.
Speaker 1: The New York Times today where nine of their thirteen
Speaker 1: writers gave JD.
Speaker 4: Vance the win.
Speaker 1: Many of them qualified that with other you know, they
Speaker 1: said that he couldn't tell the truth, but they did
Speaker 1: say that jd Vance won last night. What is the
Speaker 1: prevailing opinion about how things went?
Speaker 6: And Gary, It's a funny question because folks like me
Speaker 6: and others that write for the New York Times, I
Speaker 6: think it's been demonstrated that we don't necessarily have the
Speaker 6: pulse on the average Trump voter, or any voter for
Speaker 6: that matter, and so it's always difficult to tell the
Speaker 6: criteria by which we judge these things. Watching and listening
Speaker 6: to political rhetorics for a living, it's maybe different than
Speaker 6: the average voter who maybe just getting to know JD. Vance,
Speaker 6: Senator from Ohio and Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota.
Speaker 6: But having said all that, I would say, as someone
Speaker 6: who listens to political rhetoric for a living, I thought JD.
Speaker 6: Vans acquitted himself fairly well. He was smooth, He's sanded
Speaker 6: down the rough edges and some of the more controversial
Speaker 6: statements that he's made leading up to this since his
Speaker 6: nomination in July as the vice presidential candidate for the Republicans.
Speaker 6: You know, there was no talk as cat ladies. There
Speaker 6: was no talk well, there was a little bit of
Speaker 6: talk of Springfield, Ohio, but there was no fabricating of stories.
Speaker 6: There was a very reasoned and measured JD vance, which
Speaker 6: you know, came off relatively well. And it's something that
Speaker 6: everybody says they want to see the overall tone of
Speaker 6: the debate being relatively civil, and that's something that folks
Speaker 6: have often said for I guess decades now that they
Speaker 6: want them to see more civility and politics. Whether that
Speaker 6: translates into actually motivating viewers as another thing, and whether
Speaker 6: that translates into whatever jdvans edge JD vance is perceived
Speaker 6: to have over the self described knucklehead Tim Walls that
Speaker 6: you know, it remains be seen whether that's going to
Speaker 6: translate into moving the needle at all in terms of
Speaker 6: voting come November fifth.
Speaker 1: We spoke with one of your colleagues yesterday regarding the
Speaker 1: importance of the debate last night, because it appears that
Speaker 1: it's this is the last debate for the tickets that
Speaker 1: we'll see leading up to election day.
Speaker 4: Did they deliver?
Speaker 1: I mean, did do you think that they did justice
Speaker 1: to their respective parties and their respective tickets?
Speaker 6: I think they did. I mean I don't think by
Speaker 6: any objective standard, I do think that Governor Rowles had
Speaker 6: a difficult launch. There at the beginning of the date,
Speaker 6: the beginning of the debate, there was a question about
Speaker 6: foreign policy. Obviously, news of the day with the horrifying
Speaker 6: and just certain pictures of the violence in the Middle
Speaker 6: East and the rocket launches, some two hundred missiles launched
Speaker 6: towards Israel from Iran itself. He seemed to stumble somewhat.
Speaker 6: He seemed to be visibly nervous. It was interesting because
Speaker 6: you know, they were setting the expectation bar so low
Speaker 6: in the hours leading up, were Democrats and saying that
Speaker 6: he was going to be nervous. Many of us dismissed
Speaker 6: that it's sort of playing the expectation game. But I
Speaker 6: thought he was evidently nervous and a little bit halting
Speaker 6: at the beginning, hitting a stride later in debate. The debate,
Speaker 6: no question, but each man showing respect for the other's opinion,
Speaker 6: and so it was unusual in that respect. Again, whether
Speaker 6: it move the needle or not, I tend to doubt it.
Speaker 6: I mean, this is a vice presidential debate, and as
Speaker 6: soon as we hear again from President Trump or the
Speaker 6: next big moment or viral moment in the campaign. You
Speaker 6: mentioned the fact that President Biden was getting on the
Speaker 6: point out of Andrews near Washington here to head down
Speaker 6: to North Carolina. The Vice president is going to be
Speaker 6: in Georgia in Augusta, Georgia later today as well, surveying
Speaker 6: storm damage. President Trump, former President Trump in Texas, fundraising
Speaker 6: in Midland and Houston, and Jade Vance has a stop
Speaker 6: in Michigan as well. So oh, and I forgot to
Speaker 6: mention Tim Walls. It was actually on a bus trip
Speaker 6: in Pennsylvania that was originally intended for the vice president,
Speaker 6: but because of the urgency of situation in the Southeast,
Speaker 6: she's heading that way. So whether or not this moves
Speaker 6: the needle, there's so much more debating, I mean virtual debating.
Speaker 6: I should say they're not going to be on the
Speaker 6: same stage. It would appear at this point. Whether that
Speaker 6: last night moved the needle or not, I think it
Speaker 6: just sort of cemented the status quo.
Speaker 7: To be honest with.
Speaker 4: You, I like your term.
Speaker 1: The Jdvance was able to sand down the rough edges
Speaker 1: of some of the things that he said. I also
Speaker 1: got the impression that he was able to articulate some
Speaker 1: of the policies using complete sentences that former President Trump
Speaker 1: does have a hard time doing. He gets distracted, he
Speaker 1: gets into personal attacks.
Speaker 6: Well, that's so interesting, right, because we often hear that
Speaker 6: this is going to be the new Donald Trump. We
Speaker 6: heard that in Milwaukee. I was there at the convention
Speaker 6: where he was going to be much more measured, stick
Speaker 6: to the issues, you know, a healthy measure of skepticism
Speaker 6: from those of us who've been watching him in these
Speaker 6: last eight years when we heard that. But at the
Speaker 6: convention he was somewhat more measured, somewhat less vitriolic. That's
Speaker 6: all gone on out the window, of course, and most
Speaker 6: recently we heard the former president try to tell us
Speaker 6: that the vice president is mentally impaired. There's something wrong
Speaker 6: with she was born that way. You know, the kind
Speaker 6: of personal attacks that MAGA voters seem to enjoy or
Speaker 6: eat up anyway, because they like it when the former
Speaker 6: president of the Stock and Trades sticks a thumb in
Speaker 6: the eye at conventional wisdom and the Deep States quote
Speaker 6: unquote that he likes to rail against and his supporters
Speaker 6: like to hear him rail against. So yeah, JD. Vance
Speaker 6: was measured. He did not sort of create any viral
Speaker 6: moments that would sort of rival the attentions that anybody
Speaker 6: pays to Donald Trump, which may have been another success
Speaker 6: that we hear often from Trump voters and that JD.
Speaker 6: Evance needs to keep his head down and not overshadow
Speaker 6: his boss. And I think he probably was successful in
Speaker 6: that last night. You know, Tim Walls again nervous his
Speaker 6: answer to his Tianon and Square where he was at
Speaker 6: the moment the pro democracy chesters were in Tianam and
Speaker 6: Square in late eighties. You know, he was off by
Speaker 6: several months. He said he made a mistake. You know,
Speaker 6: he misrepresented where he was at that moment. He wasn't
Speaker 6: in China. He was actually in Hong Kong, which at
Speaker 6: the time was not part of the communist China. So
Speaker 6: you know, there were a couple of stumbles by Tim Walls,
Speaker 6: but I think overall he did hit his stride in
Speaker 6: the second half of the debate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a little surprised that the word cats
Speaker 1: never came up. I know, they kind of danced around
Speaker 1: it with Springfield, Ohio, and the words task hardly never
Speaker 1: came up. They didn't talk at all about the dock
Speaker 1: workers strike on the East coast the port.
Speaker 6: Yeah, amazing, you know, and you know, obviously the longer
Speaker 6: this goes on, we know all about the supply chain issues,
Speaker 6: having just lived through the pandemic that really are coming
Speaker 6: into play here, and how much money can be lost
Speaker 6: in the economy and how businesses are going to suffer
Speaker 6: not having a supplies as we hit into the holiday season.
Speaker 6: That's obviously an urgent issue. It's in its second day now.
Speaker 6: We have a reporter standing by at the Port of
Speaker 6: Baltimore at the picket line there. But this is all
Speaker 6: up and down the East coast along the Gulf as well,
Speaker 6: obviously an urgent issue. Yeah, I'm surprised that it didn't
Speaker 6: come up.
Speaker 4: All right, Hey, great stuff, Mike, thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 6: It, all right, Thanks Gary.
Speaker 4: You bet.
Speaker 1: Mike Vicarera again DC Bureau chief there for News Nation.
Speaker 1: One more little segment on what's going on with the debate,
Speaker 1: because there were two things I wanted to point out
Speaker 1: that the negatives for both of these guys, they both
Speaker 1: had an opportunity.
Speaker 4: Mike referred to one of them.
Speaker 1: They're the TN and Men's square answer that Tim Walls
Speaker 1: kind of stumbled his way through, but also the non
Speaker 1: answer that jd. Vance gave when it came to January sixth,
Speaker 1: and then my wife's reaction till last night. It's fun.
Speaker 1: I love her, She's fun. It's fun to be around.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: Fernando is in the hospital.
Speaker 1: Fernando Valenzuela has been a part of the Spanish language
Speaker 1: broadcast for the Dodgers for quite a while, but he
Speaker 1: stepped away from his play calling duties last week, but
Speaker 1: they didn't say why.
Speaker 4: Now they're saying that he is in the hospital.
Speaker 1: But the family's been pretty quiet about exactly what is
Speaker 1: going on, so we'll keep an eye on that story.
Speaker 1: Israel's defense system stood pretty firm.
Speaker 4: Last night.
Speaker 1: Iran unleashed a barrage of nearly two hundred missiles across Israel,
Speaker 1: and most of them ballistic weapons. That makes intercepting them
Speaker 1: kind of a challenge, but at this point, still no
Speaker 1: reports of fatalities within Israel. Israel has said that they
Speaker 1: will retaliate of course, the Iranians have said they'll retaliate
Speaker 1: for the retaliation if it gets to that, so we
Speaker 1: will have an update. We'll do updates at the top
Speaker 1: of the hour, by the way, regarding what's going on
Speaker 1: with Hurricane Helen, because we know the President vice President
Speaker 1: are going to be down in that area is viewing
Speaker 1: some of the destruction that we saw. So more on
Speaker 1: just to kind of wrap up what we saw in
Speaker 1: the debate last night between jd Vance and Tim Walls.
Speaker 1: I said before, I believe that jd Vance did better
Speaker 1: for himself in that debate. He was able to, as
Speaker 1: Mike Vikara put it, sand down the rough edges of
Speaker 1: things that he has said in the past, across as
Speaker 1: very likable, very thoughtful. Yes, he used the line multiple
Speaker 1: times that he was born in the middle class, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a shot at Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris or not, but it worked. There were a couple
Speaker 1: of things that he did though, that I thought he
Speaker 1: should have unleashed a little bit more often. In his
Speaker 1: closing statement, jd Vance used this line that I think
Speaker 1: has to be used over and over and over again
Speaker 1: against Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5: Now I've been in politics long enough to do what
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people
Speaker 5: and says that on day one, she's going to work
Speaker 5: on all these challenges I just listed. She's been the
Speaker 5: vice president for three and a half years. Day one
Speaker 5: was fourteen hundred days ago, and her policies have made
Speaker 5: these problems worse.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily a mic drop moment, but definitely an important
Speaker 1: message that he and Donald Trump can use in terms
Speaker 1: of his bad moment, though it came when they were
Speaker 1: discussing January sixth, they were discussed election integrity. They were
Speaker 1: discussing the results of the twenty twenty election, and Tim
Speaker 1: Walls had a moment where he was going to force
Speaker 1: jd Vance to say that Trump lost that election?
Speaker 7: Did he lose the twenty twenty election?
Speaker 5: Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor
Speaker 5: Americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the
Speaker 5: twenty twenty COVID situation?
Speaker 7: That is a damning non answer.
Speaker 1: Now, it's a point that jd. Vance brought up censorship
Speaker 1: multiple times. I in the business I'm in am very
Speaker 1: passionate about censorship and the importance of the ability for
Speaker 1: people to debate issues and the ability to freely debate issues.
Speaker 4: That was the wrong That was the wrong foil.
Speaker 1: That was the wrong way to deflect by suggesting that
Speaker 1: censorship was as big an issue as January sixth, so
Speaker 1: as much as a negative as that was for JD.
Speaker 4: Vance. Tim Walls tripped over his own.
Speaker 1: Shoelaces left and right when he was confronted with his
Speaker 1: story about being in Hong Kong during the Tieneman Square
Speaker 1: protests in China.
Speaker 8: Governor Walls, you said you were in Hong Kong during
Speaker 8: the deadly Tianamen Square protests in the spring of nineteen
Speaker 8: eighty nine, but Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets
Speaker 8: are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until
Speaker 8: August of that year. Can you explain that discrepancy?
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, and the folks out there, it didn't get
Speaker 7: at the top of this. Look.
Speaker 9: I grew up in small, rural Nebraska town of four
Speaker 9: hundred town that you rode your bike with your buddy
Speaker 9: still the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
Speaker 9: I joined the National Guard at seventeen, worked on family farms,
Speaker 9: and then I used the GI bill to become a teacher.
Speaker 9: Passion about it. A young teacher my first year out,
Speaker 9: I got the opportunity in the summer of eighty nine
Speaker 9: to travel to China thirty five years ago.
Speaker 7: Be able to do that, I came back home.
Speaker 9: And then started a program to take young people there.
Speaker 9: We would take basket ball teams, we would take baseball teams.
Speaker 1: Again, he gets into this and he never actually explains, Okay,
Speaker 1: but you said you were there. It's an easy thing
Speaker 1: to say, and politicians are so unable to simply say, listen,
Speaker 1: that was a long time ago.
Speaker 4: I blew it.
Speaker 1: I screwed it up. I didn't mean to. There's no
Speaker 1: ill will, but I just screwed up. And he could
Speaker 1: not say it.
Speaker 8: Can you explain?
Speaker 9: They all I said on this was is I got
Speaker 9: there that summer and misspoke on this.
Speaker 7: So I will just that's what I've said.
Speaker 4: So I was in They just stop talking.
Speaker 7: Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest. No, just
Speaker 7: just say that's what I've said.
Speaker 1: That's what you just say. I just misspoke and then leave.
Speaker 7: It on this. So I will just that's what I've said.
Speaker 1: He had an opportunity to just appear even more human.
Speaker 1: I thought he came across very human. I mean, the
Speaker 1: guy does seem like got a central casting, a football coach,
Speaker 1: and a teacher, and the guy that you would go
Speaker 1: to with your after school special problems, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: But just drop the political aspect of answering a question
Speaker 1: and just get into it. Jady Vance fell into that
Speaker 1: same trap when he couldn't answer whether or not Donald
Speaker 1: Trump won or lost the election in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: They both fell into it.
Speaker 1: So in general, again I'll say this again that I
Speaker 1: think jad Vance was the winner. The New York Times
Speaker 1: agrees with me, if you can believe that they ask
Speaker 1: thirteen of their columnists and contributors to assess who won
Speaker 1: and who lost. And I just want to give you
Speaker 1: a taste of this. And again, this is the New
Speaker 1: York Times, who you would assume would not give JD.
Speaker 1: Vance the time of day. A couple of them didn't.
Speaker 1: But Benjamine Applebaum said JD. Vance was more effective in
Speaker 1: presenting a version of his party's ticket that might broaden
Speaker 1: its appeal. Said he made trump Ism sound polite, calm,
Speaker 1: and coherent. John USh Borrow said Vance was far nimbler
Speaker 1: than the nervous Tim Walls, especially in the first half
Speaker 1: of the debate. Charles Blow, a columnist, he outright said
Speaker 1: that Tim Walls won, that he clearly did his homework.
Speaker 1: Anyone afraid that Vance would roll over him could breathe easily.
Speaker 1: Vance seemed not to have been told to come across
Speaker 1: as a condescending valedictorian, or sorry, has had been told
Speaker 1: not to come across as a condescending valedictorian. Jammel Bowie,
Speaker 1: a columnist for The Times, wrote it this way, It's
Speaker 1: a pretty straightforward verdict. Vance won this debate. It's not
Speaker 1: hard to see why. But in the next sentence wrote,
Speaker 1: he has no regard for the truth. He lies as
Speaker 1: easily as he breathes. Jane Coston, a contributing writer, Vance
Speaker 1: seemed smoother and more practiced, but one would be a
Speaker 1: very strong term here. Another one calling it a draw
Speaker 1: because Waltz was so bad in much of his delivery.
Speaker 1: Vance was much more forceful speaker. Another one for Vance.
Speaker 1: It was a commanding performance for Walls a nervous ramble.
Speaker 1: Matt Labash, author of a newsletter called slack Tide. Nobody dominated,
Speaker 1: but I am going to give the light a slight
Speaker 1: edge to Walls. Specifically because of the January sixth answer,
Speaker 1: another one Vance won compared with the candidates for the
Speaker 1: presidential debates. Both vice presidential candidates performed admirably, And it
Speaker 1: goes on and on again. The vast majority of those
Speaker 1: thirteen columnists and opinion writers for The New York Times
Speaker 1: suggested that it was JD.
Speaker 4: Vance that won.
Speaker 1: My wife also said this, and this was echoed by
Speaker 1: a lot of people I saw on social media that
Speaker 1: going into it, there was an expectation that JD. Vance
Speaker 1: was an unlikable person, an unlikable character, an unlikable politician.
Speaker 1: But seeing that performance last night made him much more likable.
Speaker 1: He seen down to earth. He wasn't arrogant, he wasn't boastful,
Speaker 1: he wasn't bombastic the way that his running mate is.
Speaker 1: And he refered to Tim Walls multiple times as Tim.
Speaker 1: He honored him by calling him governor a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but also got down to that folksy level and just
Speaker 1: called him Tim. They mentioned off and on both of them, Hey,
Speaker 1: we agree on a lot of this stuff. There is
Speaker 1: some commonality in the things that we believe in, and
Speaker 1: that I think was endearing on both of the candidate's parts,
Speaker 1: and then at the end, Oosha Vance comes walking out
Speaker 1: and my wife says, who's that Hatzie Dotsie, And I said,
Speaker 1: I don't objectify women that way.
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