WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty The Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:08.800 on the iHeartRadio app. We are going to get some 4 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:12.720 more information out of Hurricane Helen today in western North Carolina. 5 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:16.559 President Biden Vice President Harris expected to get an aerial 6 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:19.480 tour of the damage there. Of course, cadaver dogs and 7 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:23.480 search crews continue to work through the mud and the debris. 8 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:26.920 We'll get some information out of North Carolina. Coming up 9 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:29.879 a little bit later. Sean Diddy Combs is now facing 10 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:33.920 dozens of new allegations. We'll be hearing from a lawyer 11 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:35.960 coming up a little bit later in the show regarding 12 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:40.640 his one hundred and twenty accusers that he says he 13 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:46.280 is representing as young as nine years old. One of 14 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:49.039 two doctors charged the investigation of the death of Matthew 15 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:52.399 Perry is expected to plead guilty today. Fernando Venezuela's in 16 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:55.439 the hospital. We have Major League Baseball Wildcard playoffs to go. 17 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.399 There's a lot going on today on this Wednesday, so 18 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:01.359 full show. But we're going to start in what is 19 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:05.519 believed to be the beginning of a wider war in 20 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:08.719 the Middle East, Shannon Kingston is an ABC News State 21 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:11.200 Department correspondent who's going to join us live from the 22 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.159 State Department. The Ambassador to the UN today for Israel 23 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:16.840 said this. 24 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:21.359 Israel will not stand by in the face of such 25 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:27.959 a vision. Israel will respond. Our response will be decisive, 26 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:31.040 and yes, it will be painful. 27 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:33.079 And of course he's talking about a response to the 28 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:35.680 one hundred and eighty plus missiles that were fired from 29 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:40.719 Iran into Israel yesterday. Shannon, the State Department obviously has 30 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:42.760 ears to the ground when it comes to this sort 31 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.680 of thing. Are we being naive when we say we're 32 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:49.079 waiting for a wider war? Aren't we already in it? 33 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:53.239 Well, that's definitely an argument that you can make because 34 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.599 we've seen chapter after chapter of escalation. But if farm 35 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:00.760 An officials say it still could get much worse before 36 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:03.560 it has a possibility to get better. So we do 37 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:07.079 know that US officials have been engaged with Israeli counterparts, 38 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:10.960 really since those Iranian missiles were actively streaking across the 39 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:13.919 sky in Tel Aviv and other major cities in Israel, 40 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:17.840 to try to find the right response to this aggression. 41 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:21.199 The sweet spot of a target that Israel can hit 42 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:27.680 that won't prompt another retaliation from Iran another strike, but 43 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:31.240 also will really you know, follow through on the threat 44 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.280 to make these consequences felt. 45 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.560 Do you think the Supreme Leader of Iran is a 46 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:38.919 potential target in some sort of retaliation. 47 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.520 I think it would be difficult to hit the Supreme Leader. 48 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.039 I think that that would be on the far end 49 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:49.560 of the scale as well. If Israel had the option, 50 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:52.520 might be possible. I don't want to speculate, but really 51 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:58.000 what they're looking at is possibly going after Iranian energy production, 52 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:01.479 maybe oil production. Now that's the backbone of their economy. 53 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.240 So that's something US officials have kicked around as a 54 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:08.080 more serious target that they could hit without kind of 55 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.479 you know, going all the way to one end of 56 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:13.240 the spectrum. Now, US official some have argued that they 57 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:17.280 want to see Israel stick to purely military targets in 58 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:20.479 iron So this is very much discussion that's still playing out, 59 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.639 and Israeli officials haven't really settled on an answer yet. 60 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:28.520 I don't want to belittle the current conflict that's going on, 61 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:30.719 but if this is a bar fight and we the 62 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.759 United States are trying to hold our friend back from 63 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:37.960 kicking somebody's butt. What do we say, What does the 64 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:41.879 Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln say to his counterpart in 65 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.439 Israel to try to prevent this from getting out of hand. 66 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:49.199 Or really what the Secretary has been saying, what other 67 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.960 top officials have been saying to Israel is the message 68 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.960 that they've been repeating for months now, almost a year. 69 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:58.800 Think about the broader security situation, Think about the long 70 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:02.360 term consequence of your action. But we do know that 71 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:05.360 Israel wants to get back to a place where it 72 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:09.120 can establish this feeling of deterrence among its enemies in 73 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:12.159 the region. And you know, we also know that they're 74 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:17.040 promising that this retaliation is going to come swiftly. So really, 75 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:19.639 I think officials are bracing in very much weight and 76 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:20.160 sche mode. 77 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.199 And I know that that whole portion of the world 78 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:29.120 is very tangled in terms of alliances. Where do other 79 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.360 Arab states come down on what happened yesterday? We heard 80 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.759 anything from from Jordan, from Syria, from Iraq. 81 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:41.759 Well, we do know that Jordan did participate in Israeli's sense, 82 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:45.240 they haven't come out and directly back to Israel. It's 83 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:49.199 still a very fraught topic, especially with ongoing Israeli campaigns 84 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.680 in Gaza and against Hesbela and Lebanon. But they did 85 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:55.519 strike down some of the Iranian missiles that flew over 86 00:04:55.560 --> 00:05:00.639 their airspace. So the relationship remains very complicated. But one 87 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.639 thing that the running leadership made clear today is it 88 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:07.759 sees very much Israel and the US at linked. Really 89 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.360 Ron came out and blamed the US for much of 90 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.800 their problems in the region. So it's the door swings 91 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:16.680 both ways here with the alliances. 92 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:19.000 Yeah, all right, Shannon, thank you, appreciate it. 93 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:23.519 Thank you, Shannon Kingston, ABC News State Department correspondent there 94 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:25.920 from the State Department, so we get at least one 95 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:28.680 Shannon on the show per day. I believe last night's 96 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.560 debate between Senator jd Vance of Ohio and Governor Tim 97 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:36.319 Walls Minnesota was informative, more informative than the two presidential 98 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.959 debates that we had seen. It was cordial, a whole 99 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.759 lot more cordial than we ever saw Trump and Harris, 100 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.319 or even Trump and Biden. It was introductory, which was 101 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.439 important because a lot of people don't have any clue 102 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:52.639 who either one of these guys happens to be. Now 103 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.879 that worked for them in different ways, For one thing, 104 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:57.920 I think a lot of people had a negative opinion 105 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:01.959 of JD. Vance because he is now aligned with Donald Trump, 106 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.199 and they're going to jump to a conclusion about what 107 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.759 kind of a person would team up with Donald Trump 108 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:12.639 on a presidential ticket. But also Tim Walls, Yeah, he's gregarious, 109 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:17.160 he's embulent. I'm not even no sure I'm using that 110 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:21.800 word right. But he lacked some substance. It seemed on 111 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:24.480 some of the answers that he gave last night, it 112 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.759 wasn't full of personal attacks. In fact, it seemed like 113 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.079 JD and Tim were going to go out and have 114 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:31.279 a beer afterwards. 115 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:33.839 But after all of that, after. 116 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.920 Ninety minutes, it wasn't even necessarily a big win for 117 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:41.759 either side. Here's an example JD. Vance referring to the 118 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.879 governor as Tim, even though that's the first time they've 119 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:45.319 ever met. 120 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:47.600 Apparently, Tim, I think you got a tough job here 121 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:49.600 because you've got to play whack a mole. You've got 122 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:52.600 to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take home pay, 123 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:54.759 which of course he did. You've got to pretend that 124 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:58.399 Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did. 125 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:02.600 And then you simultaneously got defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic 126 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.680 record which has made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable fair 127 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:07.560 American citizens. 128 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.959 There were a couple of different times when Tim Walls 129 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.920 had good lines, good shots towards JD. Vance Basically, Okay, well, 130 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:19.319 then defend your boss if you want to call them that, 131 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:23.199 defend your running mates record on insert name of this. 132 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.360 There things got a little awkward, and I felt let 133 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:31.040 down by the discussion when it came to abortion specifically, 134 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.279 because they want to argue the outskirts of that issue. 135 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:38.839 They want to argue the partial birth abortion, the nine 136 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:42.560 month thing, the six weeks, six week abortion ban, and 137 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:47.199 things like that. All of those issues are fringe issues. 138 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.160 Not that they're not important, don't mishear me. Those are 139 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:53.720 important when you talk about it. But the general ideas 140 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.600 of what is abortion and whether you want to fight 141 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:58.800 to keep the right to abortion or you want to 142 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:02.399 fight against it, make it rare or make it illegal, 143 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:06.000 whichever wherever you come down on it, those issues need 144 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:08.720 to be agreed upon in the beginning. I mean basically 145 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.399 the terms of what you're going to argue about. And 146 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:15.120 I thought JD Vance had an opportunity to a missed 147 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:20.959 opportunity to say. I mean he referred to women in 148 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.959 his life who have had abortions in the past, and 149 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:28.000 I mean very clearly referenced to whoever he was talking 150 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:29.160 about and said, I love you. 151 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:30.000 Go on. 152 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:38.919 He said that there would be a time when abortion, 153 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:41.600 or I should say, there are places where abortion is 154 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:44.480 going to be illegal, because that's how the states decide things. 155 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:47.480 And as messy as democracy is, that's what this grand 156 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:53.000 experiment is of having multiple states, multiple opportunities to come 157 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:55.639 up with rules and laws, and if they work, they'll 158 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:58.279 work across the country. The thing that he didn't say 159 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:03.759 was I don't want anybody to have an abortion based 160 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.080 on economics. It felt like there was a missed opportunity. 161 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.399 He was getting to it and then kind of shied 162 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:12.679 away from it. I don't want any mother or family 163 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:17.480 to feel like they can't afford to have a child 164 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:20.600 and that that would be the main reason why they 165 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:23.840 would abort their fetus. He had an opportunity to say that, 166 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.960 and he didn't. They got caught up in the specifics 167 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.679 of the the text of the law in Minnesota that apparently, 168 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.039 according to the fact checks that I've seen this morning. 169 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:35.720 Jade Vance was a whole lot closer to the truth 170 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.200 than was Tim Walls. But those are the issues that 171 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:42.840 get figured out as we go through and deal with 172 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.000 it a bit later. There's an interesting piece in the 173 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:49.919 opinion piece pieces, I guess you could say, in the 174 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:53.240 New York Times today and they asked thirteen of their 175 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:58.399 opinion writers to basically grade the debate last night. Again 176 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.639 this is the New York Time Times. Nine of their 177 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.960 writers said that jd. Vance won the debate last night 178 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.360 for a couple of different reasons. They talked about his 179 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:12.399 familiarity with the different issues that he was talking about, 180 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:18.759 his ability to make Donald Trump likable in their words. 181 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:22.200 In fact, one of them said, he made trump Ism 182 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.879 sound polite, calm, and coherent. Jd Vance not only one 183 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.639 last night in terms of the debate, in that he 184 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:35.639 was able to prove those policies that Donald Trump cannot 185 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:42.120 articulate can be articulated by somebody calmly, without personal attacks, 186 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:45.399 someone using complete sentences. That's what he was able to 187 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:50.159 prove last night, and that's why he came across as likable. 188 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:53.960 JD Vance went into the debate last night with the 189 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.679 lowest likability rating of all the four people on those 190 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:02.120 top of the tickets, But he came away so much 191 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:02.879 more likable. 192 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.360 I know the eyeliner jokes are out there. 193 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:08.080 My daughter even asked me this morning why these two 194 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.879 guys on stage last night had better eyeliner than she's 195 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.080 ever had in her twenty two years of life. 196 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:15.120 I didn't have an answer for that. 197 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:17.360 But when we come back, I want to go through 198 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:21.919 a little bit about this, including who won the debate 199 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:25.000 according to the New York Times. It might surprise you, 200 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:27.559 but even the people who say the jd Vance won 201 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:30.279 the debate had a hard time giving him full credit 202 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:34.039 for winning that debate. That and then the two major 203 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.879 major problems that both candidates had. I should say they 204 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:41.559 each had one major problem that could have been avoidable. Well, 205 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:44.559 we continue to talk about what happened last night in 206 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:47.200 the vice presidential debate between JD. 207 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:49.039 Vance and Tim Walls. 208 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:51.759 I mentioned a couple of things in terms of the 209 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:54.960 big missteps I thought that both of them had, But 210 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.759 in terms of the general opinion, it appears that jd 211 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:01.279 Vance was basically the winner life last night. Joining us 212 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:04.360 now from DC is the Bureau chief Mike Vikara for 213 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:06.039 News Nation, and Mike. 214 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.000 I was most interested to see. There's an opinion piece in. 215 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.120 The New York Times today where nine of their thirteen 216 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.840 writers gave JD. 217 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:17.240 Vance the win. 218 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:20.399 Many of them qualified that with other you know, they 219 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:22.559 said that he couldn't tell the truth, but they did 220 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:25.919 say that jd Vance won last night. What is the 221 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:28.000 prevailing opinion about how things went? 222 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:33.200 And Gary, It's a funny question because folks like me 223 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.759 and others that write for the New York Times, I 224 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.039 think it's been demonstrated that we don't necessarily have the 225 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:43.519 pulse on the average Trump voter, or any voter for 226 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:45.600 that matter, and so it's always difficult to tell the 227 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.519 criteria by which we judge these things. Watching and listening 228 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.639 to political rhetorics for a living, it's maybe different than 229 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:55.039 the average voter who maybe just getting to know JD. Vance, 230 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:58.240 Senator from Ohio and Tim Walls, the governor of Minnesota. 231 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:01.159 But having said all that, I would say, as someone 232 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.679 who listens to political rhetoric for a living, I thought JD. 233 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:08.120 Vans acquitted himself fairly well. He was smooth, He's sanded 234 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.600 down the rough edges and some of the more controversial 235 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:14.279 statements that he's made leading up to this since his 236 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:18.159 nomination in July as the vice presidential candidate for the Republicans. 237 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.639 You know, there was no talk as cat ladies. There 238 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:22.120 was no talk well, there was a little bit of 239 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.720 talk of Springfield, Ohio, but there was no fabricating of stories. 240 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:30.639 There was a very reasoned and measured JD vance, which 241 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.000 you know, came off relatively well. And it's something that 242 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:36.039 everybody says they want to see the overall tone of 243 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:41.120 the debate being relatively civil, and that's something that folks 244 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.159 have often said for I guess decades now that they 245 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:46.559 want them to see more civility and politics. Whether that 246 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.399 translates into actually motivating viewers as another thing, and whether 247 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.600 that translates into whatever jdvans edge JD vance is perceived 248 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:59.639 to have over the self described knucklehead Tim Walls that 249 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:01.600 you know, it remains be seen whether that's going to 250 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:04.000 translate into moving the needle at all in terms of 251 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:05.440 voting come November fifth. 252 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:09.679 We spoke with one of your colleagues yesterday regarding the 253 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.320 importance of the debate last night, because it appears that 254 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.320 it's this is the last debate for the tickets that 255 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.559 we'll see leading up to election day. 256 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:21.440 Did they deliver? 257 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.879 I mean, did do you think that they did justice 258 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:27.440 to their respective parties and their respective tickets? 259 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:32.240 I think they did. I mean I don't think by 260 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.600 any objective standard, I do think that Governor Rowles had 261 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:38.000 a difficult launch. There at the beginning of the date, 262 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:40.360 the beginning of the debate, there was a question about 263 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.720 foreign policy. Obviously, news of the day with the horrifying 264 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.159 and just certain pictures of the violence in the Middle 265 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.519 East and the rocket launches, some two hundred missiles launched 266 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.519 towards Israel from Iran itself. He seemed to stumble somewhat. 267 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:55.240 He seemed to be visibly nervous. It was interesting because 268 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.919 you know, they were setting the expectation bar so low 269 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.720 in the hours leading up, were Democrats and saying that 270 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.039 he was going to be nervous. Many of us dismissed 271 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:06.919 that it's sort of playing the expectation game. But I 272 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:08.879 thought he was evidently nervous and a little bit halting 273 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:11.440 at the beginning, hitting a stride later in debate. The debate, 274 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:15.440 no question, but each man showing respect for the other's opinion, 275 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.039 and so it was unusual in that respect. Again, whether 276 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.120 it move the needle or not, I tend to doubt it. 277 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.279 I mean, this is a vice presidential debate, and as 278 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.320 soon as we hear again from President Trump or the 279 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:29.960 next big moment or viral moment in the campaign. You 280 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:32.159 mentioned the fact that President Biden was getting on the 281 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.399 point out of Andrews near Washington here to head down 282 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:38.200 to North Carolina. The Vice president is going to be 283 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:41.600 in Georgia in Augusta, Georgia later today as well, surveying 284 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:46.039 storm damage. President Trump, former President Trump in Texas, fundraising 285 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:49.039 in Midland and Houston, and Jade Vance has a stop 286 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:52.120 in Michigan as well. So oh, and I forgot to 287 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.440 mention Tim Walls. It was actually on a bus trip 288 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.600 in Pennsylvania that was originally intended for the vice president, 289 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:01.879 but because of the urgency of situation in the Southeast, 290 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:04.240 she's heading that way. So whether or not this moves 291 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:09.799 the needle, there's so much more debating, I mean virtual debating. 292 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:11.960 I should say they're not going to be on the 293 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.840 same stage. It would appear at this point. Whether that 294 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:16.519 last night moved the needle or not, I think it 295 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:18.240 just sort of cemented the status quo. 296 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:19.240 To be honest with. 297 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:20.440 You, I like your term. 298 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.440 The Jdvance was able to sand down the rough edges 299 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:25.120 of some of the things that he said. I also 300 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:28.279 got the impression that he was able to articulate some 301 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:32.840 of the policies using complete sentences that former President Trump 302 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:35.320 does have a hard time doing. He gets distracted, he 303 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:36.679 gets into personal attacks. 304 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:40.679 Well, that's so interesting, right, because we often hear that 305 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.480 this is going to be the new Donald Trump. We 306 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.159 heard that in Milwaukee. I was there at the convention 307 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:48.360 where he was going to be much more measured, stick 308 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.960 to the issues, you know, a healthy measure of skepticism 309 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:53.759 from those of us who've been watching him in these 310 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:58.399 last eight years when we heard that. But at the 311 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:02.799 convention he was somewhat more measured, somewhat less vitriolic. That's 312 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:04.960 all gone on out the window, of course, and most 313 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.079 recently we heard the former president try to tell us 314 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:10.680 that the vice president is mentally impaired. There's something wrong 315 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:13.119 with she was born that way. You know, the kind 316 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:16.599 of personal attacks that MAGA voters seem to enjoy or 317 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.759 eat up anyway, because they like it when the former 318 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:21.880 president of the Stock and Trades sticks a thumb in 319 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.200 the eye at conventional wisdom and the Deep States quote 320 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:28.319 unquote that he likes to rail against and his supporters 321 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:32.440 like to hear him rail against. So yeah, JD. Vance 322 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.400 was measured. He did not sort of create any viral 323 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.680 moments that would sort of rival the attentions that anybody 324 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:42.240 pays to Donald Trump, which may have been another success 325 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.880 that we hear often from Trump voters and that JD. 326 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:48.720 Evance needs to keep his head down and not overshadow 327 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.039 his boss. And I think he probably was successful in 328 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:54.279 that last night. You know, Tim Walls again nervous his 329 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:56.960 answer to his Tianon and Square where he was at 330 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:01.079 the moment the pro democracy chesters were in Tianam and 331 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.200 Square in late eighties. You know, he was off by 332 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.240 several months. He said he made a mistake. You know, 333 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.519 he misrepresented where he was at that moment. He wasn't 334 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:09.920 in China. He was actually in Hong Kong, which at 335 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.839 the time was not part of the communist China. So 336 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:16.480 you know, there were a couple of stumbles by Tim Walls, 337 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.519 but I think overall he did hit his stride in 338 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:19.640 the second half of the debate. 339 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:23.400 Yeah, I was a little surprised that the word cats 340 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:25.839 never came up. I know, they kind of danced around 341 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.759 it with Springfield, Ohio, and the words task hardly never 342 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:31.440 came up. They didn't talk at all about the dock 343 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:33.519 workers strike on the East coast the port. 344 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.519 Yeah, amazing, you know, and you know, obviously the longer 345 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:40.240 this goes on, we know all about the supply chain issues, 346 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:43.240 having just lived through the pandemic that really are coming 347 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:46.039 into play here, and how much money can be lost 348 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:48.279 in the economy and how businesses are going to suffer 349 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:50.400 not having a supplies as we hit into the holiday season. 350 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.119 That's obviously an urgent issue. It's in its second day now. 351 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:55.799 We have a reporter standing by at the Port of 352 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.200 Baltimore at the picket line there. But this is all 353 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:00.519 up and down the East coast along the Gulf as well, 354 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:03.200 obviously an urgent issue. Yeah, I'm surprised that it didn't 355 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:03.559 come up. 356 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.039 All right, Hey, great stuff, Mike, thank you, appreciate. 357 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:09.279 It, all right, Thanks Gary. 358 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:09.359 You bet. 359 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:12.720 Mike Vicarera again DC Bureau chief there for News Nation. 360 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:16.200 One more little segment on what's going on with the debate, 361 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:17.799 because there were two things I wanted to point out 362 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.039 that the negatives for both of these guys, they both 363 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:22.160 had an opportunity. 364 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:23.240 Mike referred to one of them. 365 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.279 They're the TN and Men's square answer that Tim Walls 366 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:29.160 kind of stumbled his way through, but also the non 367 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:32.720 answer that jd. Vance gave when it came to January sixth, 368 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:38.680 and then my wife's reaction till last night. It's fun. 369 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.279 I love her, She's fun. It's fun to be around. 370 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:41.599 Uh. 371 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:43.119 Fernando is in the hospital. 372 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.839 Fernando Valenzuela has been a part of the Spanish language 373 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.319 broadcast for the Dodgers for quite a while, but he 374 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:50.880 stepped away from his play calling duties last week, but 375 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:52.319 they didn't say why. 376 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.079 Now they're saying that he is in the hospital. 377 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:58.519 But the family's been pretty quiet about exactly what is 378 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:01.759 going on, so we'll keep an eye on that story. 379 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.119 Israel's defense system stood pretty firm. 380 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:05.680 Last night. 381 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:09.880 Iran unleashed a barrage of nearly two hundred missiles across Israel, 382 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.680 and most of them ballistic weapons. That makes intercepting them 383 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:17.160 kind of a challenge, but at this point, still no 384 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:21.599 reports of fatalities within Israel. Israel has said that they 385 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:26.359 will retaliate of course, the Iranians have said they'll retaliate 386 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:29.920 for the retaliation if it gets to that, so we 387 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.000 will have an update. We'll do updates at the top 388 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:33.839 of the hour, by the way, regarding what's going on 389 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.559 with Hurricane Helen, because we know the President vice President 390 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:39.440 are going to be down in that area is viewing 391 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:42.839 some of the destruction that we saw. So more on 392 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:44.759 just to kind of wrap up what we saw in 393 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:47.920 the debate last night between jd Vance and Tim Walls. 394 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.440 I said before, I believe that jd Vance did better 395 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:55.079 for himself in that debate. He was able to, as 396 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:57.920 Mike Vikara put it, sand down the rough edges of 397 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:00.680 things that he has said in the past, across as 398 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:04.480 very likable, very thoughtful. Yes, he used the line multiple 399 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:07.359 times that he was born in the middle class, and 400 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:09.519 I don't know if it was a shot at Kamala 401 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.519