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Speaker 4: That's it awesome, Thank you very much, and for yeah,
Speaker 4: for the new listeners. If you happen to have quote
Speaker 4: the uh An Rice vampire cult episode and you're into
Speaker 4: vampire cults, go check out the show that we did
Speaker 4: with Rye. We had a vampire what was that?
Speaker 5: What was her name again?
Speaker 2: There's something Magdalena?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, definitely check that one out. Uh yeah, So
Speaker 4: all right, ry we got time slip? Yeah, what's the
Speaker 4: deal with it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, So you know, I could do a show just
Speaker 3: on telling you about experiences of time slips and possibly
Speaker 3: time travel as well, which they're kind of they're almost
Speaker 3: one and the same. But I thought we'd dive deeper
Speaker 3: than that. Let's not just you know, scrape the surface.
Speaker 3: Let's go deeper. So first, what I want to do
Speaker 3: is I kind of want to give you guys a
Speaker 3: little bit of a and for all who are listening,
Speaker 3: a little bit of a lesson on possible you know,
Speaker 3: like time itself. We're going to talk about time itself
Speaker 3: and you know, time as an illusion, and then my
Speaker 3: own analogy to maybe make it easier to understand what
Speaker 3: we're talking about. Okay, So that is where we're going
Speaker 3: to start, and then we're going to go from there.
Speaker 3: And then I'm gonna I'm going to jump into some
Speaker 3: some scenarios of time slips, and I want you guys to,
Speaker 3: you know, think about what maybe is it? Is it
Speaker 3: a time slip, is it in the matrix, or what exactly?
Speaker 3: So you know, first of all I'm going to start
Speaker 3: off with, is time as an illusion?
Speaker 2: You know, do time.
Speaker 3: Slips reveal the true nature of reality? And so many
Speaker 3: physicists and philosophers have argued that time really isn't linear
Speaker 3: as many of us believe it to be, you know,
Speaker 3: not from like here in the past and we keep
Speaker 3: going on in a straight line. But it's more emergent
Speaker 3: property of our consciousness. Now that sounds confusing, right, So
Speaker 3: what that means is that it might be something that
Speaker 3: our consciousness actually creates, like a way our brain organizes
Speaker 3: events to make sense of them. So imagine all the moments, past, present,
Speaker 3: and future. They all are existing at the same time
Speaker 3: like pages in a book. Okay, so your brain just
Speaker 3: reads one page at a time. We can't read every
Speaker 3: single page instantly. We have to read one at a time,
Speaker 3: and so it feels like time is moving forward. So
Speaker 3: when they say time is an emergent property of consciousness,
Speaker 3: they mean time might only exist because.
Speaker 2: We're here to experience it.
Speaker 3: Without us, it's just one big cosmic Now, so without consciousness,
Speaker 3: everything could be happening all at once.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Like we we are?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say that does remind me of
Speaker 5: a movie and yeah, two different.
Speaker 1: Movies everything all at once or something somewhere.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's a lot like that.
Speaker 6: So our conscious had a Chinaman from Gun he's the
Speaker 6: Chiaman kid.
Speaker 3: Day exactly exactly. And he was also in Loki as well,
Speaker 3: and that was all about it. That was all about
Speaker 3: time travel as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, short Rounds made in quite a quite a comeback.
Speaker 3: It seems like, hey, I believe so I think so.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be like your your next.
Speaker 2: Uh hot thing right now?
Speaker 3: So now, So if this is true, then time slips
Speaker 3: themselves might occur when a person momentarily just steps out
Speaker 3: of their usual perception of time and taps into a
Speaker 3: different temporal layer. And what I'm going to get into
Speaker 3: now is possible theories.
Speaker 1: Three.
Speaker 3: I'm going to bring up three possible theories about time.
Speaker 3: So first, there's the block universe theory, as anybody.
Speaker 2: Have heard of that.
Speaker 1: No, actually, I haven't.
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's Einstein okay, and Minkowski's idea as well,
Speaker 3: which is past, president and future all exists simultaneously like frames.
Speaker 2: In a reel.
Speaker 3: Okay, so think of a of a movie reel. So
Speaker 3: time slips might be moments when someone just skips to
Speaker 3: a different frame they kind of jump ahead. Okay, Now, next,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to go into these much deeper, but
Speaker 3: I'm just going to start with just just tell you
Speaker 3: about them. So next is Julian Barber's timeless fit, and
Speaker 3: he suggests that time doesn't flow, only different now's exists.
Speaker 2: And you're like, well, is this kind of similar to
Speaker 2: what I just said?
Speaker 3: No, So so what it is is, well, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get like I said, I'm going to get into that.
Speaker 3: So at times it could be a glitch when someone
Speaker 3: perceives another now instead of their usual one, And didn't
Speaker 3: I just say that kind of But like I said,
Speaker 3: I'm going to get into a little further. And then
Speaker 3: the third one, of course, is our simulation hypothesis. So
Speaker 3: we live in a similar simulation we live in the matrix.
Speaker 2: So if we live.
Speaker 3: In a simulation, time could be programmed. It could be
Speaker 3: a program construct like timeslets may happen when something disrupts
Speaker 3: or rewrites the code of the simulation, allowing us to
Speaker 3: access another moment right now. If time is an illusion,
Speaker 3: like I was saying, then we just perceive these jumps
Speaker 3: in time are just possibly shifts in awareness between existing moments.
Speaker 3: So the person isn't necessarily traveling through time, but merely
Speaker 3: perceiving a different section of the film reo okay, or
Speaker 3: simulation or like a photo.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So now let's let let's go into the So time
Speaker 3: feels real to us because we experience events in a past,
Speaker 3: present future sequence.
Speaker 2: That is how we perceive it.
Speaker 3: But many many believe that it's just the reason why
Speaker 3: we do this is because it's just a limitation of
Speaker 3: our perception. And so I'm gonna go a little bit
Speaker 3: further now into the block theory. So the block theory,
Speaker 3: again I said, was like a like a film, and
Speaker 3: so the past president in future all exists like frames
Speaker 3: and a real.
Speaker 2: Now there there.
Speaker 3: It was also expanded, So that was the block theory
Speaker 3: was Einstein, but Hermann Minkowski expanded on it and said,
Speaker 3: there's no really special Now the president is just a
Speaker 3: perspective and how we see it is not an.
Speaker 2: Objective momment, okay.
Speaker 3: And like I said, if a time is fixed structure,
Speaker 3: like it is in a row like this, timeslins might
Speaker 3: occur when something shifts a person's awareness to another frame.
Speaker 2: So shifting awareness could possibly be.
Speaker 3: A meditation of sorts, like you could be meditating and
Speaker 3: getting higher consciousness, or it could be a severe type
Speaker 3: of accident or incident where you jump forward or you
Speaker 3: jump backwards. And this is this lends credence to when
Speaker 3: people talk about glitches in the matrix. When some people
Speaker 3: have had a like almost an accident where they're going
Speaker 3: to get into an accident, and it's they swore they
Speaker 3: got into the accident, and next thing they know, they're
Speaker 3: driving the car. They might be in the past, or
Speaker 3: they might be forward in time and they've just averted
Speaker 3: it because their consciousness has done something to jump them
Speaker 3: ahead or back. And and when this happens many times,
Speaker 3: is that they're not fully in sync with the world
Speaker 3: around them. They're slightly out of sync, okay, And when
Speaker 3: that happens, it takes them a little bit to regain
Speaker 3: back into that frequency.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to get into that a little bit later.
Speaker 2: As well. So that is this a little bit.
Speaker 7: Like the video game concept of fps frames per second
Speaker 7: because what they do is that when you're looking at
Speaker 7: the video game, you get sixty frames per second. That's
Speaker 7: how the character moves from one frame to the other.
Speaker 7: So it's more like that model.
Speaker 3: So that model especially is more like Julian Barber's timeless physics. Okay,
Speaker 3: and what I'm gonna do is I'll jump to that
Speaker 3: right away, but that frames per second is probably identical
Speaker 3: to Julian Barber's timeless physics. Okay, so I'm just going
Speaker 3: to finish off this one where now with this, but
Speaker 3: you know what, let's just go to it. Let's let's
Speaker 3: go to it. So that Julian Barber's timeless physics. So
Speaker 3: there's no time only now. And what does that mean
Speaker 3: is time doesn't flow, you know, Like I said, it's
Speaker 3: an illusion created by memory and perception. So what we
Speaker 3: think of past and future are just different configurations of
Speaker 3: the universe.
Speaker 2: But what does that mean?
Speaker 3: So what that means is that every moment is a
Speaker 3: self contained now like like think of it like a picture. Okay,
Speaker 3: that the best way to explain this is is you
Speaker 3: have all these pictures in a photo album, okay, and
Speaker 3: each photo exists independently. Okay, so think of your frames
Speaker 3: per second. Each photo exists independently. The movement from one
Speaker 3: to another is an illusion that we were imposing this movement. Okay,
Speaker 3: so we're kind of connecting that. So let's say we
Speaker 3: get the frames per second extended up. Maybe it's like
Speaker 3: one frame per second. Okay, So there's a little bit
Speaker 3: of gap in there, and our consciousness connects that because
Speaker 3: we impose this on it, we assume that time moves forward.
Speaker 3: So each event is independent, and our consciousness builds a
Speaker 3: bridge of sorts connecting these events.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So these events could be exactly like you're saying, but
Speaker 3: we are just bridging them, and it could be so
Speaker 3: minute that we're not seeing the gaps, but our consciousness
Speaker 3: fills that in. Does that make sense.
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: And I wanted to touch on something what I was
Speaker 3: talking about previously is that my theory on the block
Speaker 3: when I was talking about the block universe is my
Speaker 3: own personal theory is that we have an anchor. We
Speaker 3: have an anchor to this moment that we're stuck in
Speaker 3: right now, which is our consciousness is anchored. You know,
Speaker 3: be it by a frequency or like a silver cord.
Speaker 3: So perhaps that we if we bump off of the
Speaker 3: time that we're on right now, let's say we have
Speaker 3: a time stup, we move into the past. Okay, think
Speaker 3: of it like a bungee cord. It's going to bring
Speaker 3: us back, it's going to bring you back. That's why
Speaker 3: people have these experiences and then they return back because
Speaker 3: we're always coming back. We're tuned into that frequency that
Speaker 3: we're aligned with, possibly when we're born, so that frequency
Speaker 3: is aligned at that moment made that moment of conception
Speaker 3: that we are given that frequency, and this is what
Speaker 3: we're always going to be on.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that we can't jump realities left or right,
Speaker 3: but it's saying that time let's say forward or backwards,
Speaker 3: that we would perceive as we're always going to keep
Speaker 3: coming back into the exact same point that we're in.
Speaker 7: Okay, So instead of frames per second, you're talking about
Speaker 7: sort of like self contained nows.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly it. That's a great way to say.
Speaker 3: It's self contained nows and it's like this one and
Speaker 3: this one and our consciousness can't it bridges the bridges.
Speaker 7: Those gaps between the two.
Speaker 3: Exactly actly, because if we try to, if we tried
Speaker 3: to have like the seamless memory, like go back two years,
Speaker 3: you try to have the seamless memory, you can't really
Speaker 3: have that. You're like, well, I remember this event, and
Speaker 3: I remember kind of what I did in that event,
Speaker 3: and then what Oh, then I remember that night I
Speaker 3: did this, and then I remember the next day I
Speaker 3: did this. You know, it's kind of and we could say, well,
Speaker 3: it's just our memory. We can't remember, is it, or
Speaker 3: is it that we actually in during the exact moment,
Speaker 3: we're kind of piece our consciousness is piecing that together,
Speaker 3: and then when we look back, we don't have those
Speaker 3: pieces there anymore. Our consciousness doesn't have to put those
Speaker 3: false bridges in anymore, and we only remember those those
Speaker 3: self contained memories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's an interesting time. I like it
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 6: All right, we don't we define don't understand time rights
Speaker 6: as much as science claims that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you completely correct on that way now. And so
Speaker 3: so how would this so, if we're talking about these
Speaker 3: these self contained things, how would that explain time slips?
Speaker 2: So if if all moments exist independently.
Speaker 3: A time stuff could happen when perhaps you accidentally switch
Speaker 3: from one picture to another, but instead of progressing through
Speaker 3: their normal sequence, you kind of jump ahead on a frame,
Speaker 3: or you fall backwards, or maybe someone else's photo album.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not your photolum, maybe it's someone else's.
Speaker 3: So, which could also explain reports of people seeing historic
Speaker 3: events play out as if they were as if it
Speaker 3: was happening again in real time, and they can see
Speaker 3: like these and it's not necessarily ghostly things happening, but
Speaker 3: it actually looks real. And I'm going to bring up
Speaker 3: one of those ones definitely. So they are simply observing
Speaker 3: now another now that exists parallel to their own, just
Speaker 3: this other photo album that they're looking through, not their
Speaker 3: own photo album, and then all of a sudden they
Speaker 3: snap back. And I always believe our consciousness is what
Speaker 3: a conscious This frequency is what brings us back every
Speaker 3: single time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's interesting. It sounds like when you're explaining that
Speaker 6: to me, it sounds a lot like some ideas of
Speaker 6: the undiscovered natures of quantum entanglement.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, uh huh.
Speaker 3: I was going to bring up quantum and tagle lit
Speaker 3: because I think it's very important, but I will go
Speaker 3: into a little bit because the double slit experiment really
Speaker 3: kind of proves that there's other now, other things are
Speaker 3: existing at the same time. So right, and I will
Speaker 3: and I will definitely get into that. So next we're
Speaker 3: going to go into the simulation hypothesis, which is, what
Speaker 3: if we're living in this that some higher beings have
Speaker 3: some advanced civilization. I think it was Nick Bostrom proposed
Speaker 3: the simulation theory where he suggests that a more advanced
Speaker 3: civilization may have created this detailed, immersive simulation where time
Speaker 3: is an artificial construct. Right, and and some people get
Speaker 3: very upset when you talk about simulation or matrix, you know,
Speaker 3: they're like, I know, but this is as real as
Speaker 3: it's going to be for us, no matter what, you know,
Speaker 3: even even if it is a simulation.
Speaker 2: You know, anything is just like what we're perceiving.
Speaker 3: We're perceiving light and we're in putting it, you know,
Speaker 3: we're seeing it through our eyes and our eyes and
Speaker 3: are converting it into a message into our brain. So
Speaker 3: what happens if we are a simulation or what happens
Speaker 3: if it's real? Exactly we're still perceiving the same thing. Okay,
Speaker 3: So people get upset, It's okay. Can we still have
Speaker 3: a creator? Can it literally be God?
Speaker 2: Yes? Why not? Why not?
Speaker 3: Could have God created a simulation be a lot easier
Speaker 3: to take care of than an actual planet? You know,
Speaker 3: it might be easier than he just programs his sun
Speaker 3: to come in and the sun takes over and comes in.
Speaker 2: Why not? It really can happen.
Speaker 3: It doesn't change the fact that any of these events
Speaker 3: did like didn't happen.
Speaker 2: They did happen.
Speaker 3: So one of the in time slops might occur in
Speaker 3: this type of scenario if perhaps if the system renders
Speaker 3: the wrong version of reality. And I don't know if
Speaker 3: if any of you have seen the movie. It was
Speaker 3: like a B movie on Amazon Prime and it was
Speaker 3: called the Mandela Effect, and they talk about like they
Speaker 3: the world is a quantum is ran by like quantum computers.
Speaker 3: And if you don't, let's say, don't enter that building
Speaker 3: across the street. It's not rendered inside because they're trying
Speaker 3: to save data. And we you know, there's very few
Speaker 3: of us who are actually the real beings that are
Speaker 3: actually that would render this for us. So it's it's
Speaker 3: an interesting thought that we are living in a simulation
Speaker 3: in that quantum computing is what is actually creating this.
Speaker 7: So that's one one thing about that. The idea in
Speaker 7: that movie, the Mandala effect, was that there was this
Speaker 7: quantum computer that was operating not only this reality, but
Speaker 7: multiple reality. So with this idea of the simulation theory,
Speaker 7: it almost implies a multiple reality.
Speaker 2: Multi universe. Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was a fantastic movie. I think that
Speaker 3: was a movie that everybody should watch. I think it
Speaker 3: was really really well done. I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 2: And and.
Speaker 3: It brings up a dream that maybe we should talk
Speaker 3: on Headless Giant. I dream that I had that.
Speaker 2: Two weeks before watching this movie.
Speaker 3: I had a dream that you know when when they
Speaker 3: when he shuts down the quantum computer and everything kind
Speaker 3: of goes like blank and dead. I had the exact
Speaker 3: dream of that happening. And then two weeks later I
Speaker 3: watched this or was it even two weeks later, I
Speaker 3: don't know, But then I watched this movie and it happens,
Speaker 3: and it was the scariest dream I've ever had, one
Speaker 3: of the scariest dreams I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 3: Like it was so real. It was as if like
Speaker 3: the simulation was shutting down. It was rebooting and.
Speaker 2: That was it. It was It was terrifying. But that's all
Speaker 2: for another time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So another issue for these time slips and simulation
Speaker 3: could be a person's consciousness, Uh you know maybe momentarily
Speaker 3: accesses a different save state or of the simulation. So
Speaker 3: maybe there was a past save that we kind of
Speaker 3: jump into somehow we landed into that and we can
Speaker 3: see that, or or maybe there's a glittering error in
Speaker 3: the processing of time time data, so that that could
Speaker 3: be a possibility. So now time slops could also happen
Speaker 3: when the simulation maybe accidentally loads a different historical period
Speaker 3: and causing the person to actually see it. You know,
Speaker 3: when they people go to Gettysburg sometimes they see these
Speaker 3: re enactments and they're like, what is what is going on?
Speaker 3: Or they see these other soldiers coming up dressed from
Speaker 3: another time.
Speaker 2: It could be.
Speaker 3: That this group of soldiers were were loaded into this
Speaker 3: time period.
Speaker 2: And it also could be intentional.
Speaker 3: Okay, so a person, if we're talking the simulation, maybe
Speaker 3: someone aims able to access will say like developer tools,
Speaker 3: or they're allowed to replay different moments of the past
Speaker 3: like a god mode so to speak. Who knows, I'm
Speaker 3: just throwing these ideas out there.
Speaker 7: Well, there seems to be this idea that there's a
Speaker 7: different form of energy that is taking place on the
Speaker 7: level of time, that's that's different from gravity, that's different
Speaker 7: from these other physical forces that maybe is playing in
Speaker 7: the background. Yeah, and so it's it's like when you're
Speaker 7: accessing the background information, and I think information is very
Speaker 7: key here because what we're talking about is this information
Speaker 7: theory as it relates to time, and when that other
Speaker 7: information is access that's when you sort of start to
Speaker 7: play the loop again. And so it's sort of like
Speaker 7: maybe not all from is there to render that image,
Speaker 7: so you get sort of an outline, or you get
Speaker 7: sort of like this spectral phenomenon.
Speaker 3: And that could also play into like some places have
Speaker 3: like natural weak points. So I would say where there's
Speaker 3: like bleeding, I think that's kind of what you're like,
Speaker 3: some of the some of the stuff bleeds over, so
Speaker 3: and we go into time being an illusion again, that
Speaker 3: might be exactly what we're seeing is these weak points
Speaker 3: within certain areas like these possibly in these crossovers of
Speaker 3: these lay lines or these tulure currents or something along
Speaker 3: that line. So I think that's quite a realistic I
Speaker 3: think it's just realistic that it could happen that way.
Speaker 7: If you were to overlay all of these different models
Speaker 7: on top of each other. Yeah, that's what you actually
Speaker 7: get closer to the truth. But it's very hard to
Speaker 7: picture that.
Speaker 3: It's extremely hard to picture it. And that's a great
Speaker 3: segue into what I'm going to be talking about kind
Speaker 3: of coming up. So I made an analogy. This is
Speaker 3: my own personal analogy, my own personal take, because I'm like,
Speaker 3: a lot of this is difficult to take in. You're like, Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: that sounds interesting, But what's a way to look at
Speaker 3: it that maybe we'll all understand and hopefully the younger
Speaker 3: generation will understand this as for us older generation, I'm
Speaker 3: going into well maybe the younger generation with vinyl records, Okay,
Speaker 3: so everybody members LPs right now. That is what I'm
Speaker 3: going to do this through. So I call this my
Speaker 3: vinyl record analogy, and skipping through time could be more
Speaker 3: kin to in this context to like block theory. So
Speaker 3: imagine time is a vinyl record, okay, and you have
Speaker 3: it on the record player, and your consciousness is the
Speaker 3: needle on the record player. Okay, you started out it's
Speaker 3: your birth. So the entire album, and let me finish
Speaker 3: this before because at first it kind of like takes
Speaker 3: you off guard of it. So the entire album, Past,
Speaker 3: President and Future is already etched out. It's already there,
Speaker 3: laid out for you. It's all in the grooves. It
Speaker 3: exists all at once in our needle. Our consciousness just
Speaker 3: plays through the grooves in a sequential order, which is
Speaker 3: creating this illusion of flowing time. All the grooves, which
Speaker 3: you know, all the grooves as well could be caught.
Speaker 3: Could be more of like like frequencies or time periods
Speaker 3: that already exist and we just moved through them in
Speaker 3: a set sequence unless something disrupts the flow. Okay, and
Speaker 3: some people will not like that theory because they're like, well,
Speaker 3: I have free choice. Yep, yep, we do. We do,
Speaker 3: but to an extent, I believe to an extent. So now,
Speaker 3: let's say someone shakes the record player a sudden shifting consciousness,
Speaker 3: so to speak, an environmental trigger, perhaps electromagnetic fields, or
Speaker 3: even a physical anomaly, the needle might skip to a
Speaker 3: different groove, and that can explain time slips. Okay, a
Speaker 3: momentary shift where a person finally finds themselves in a
Speaker 3: different era, or it could be a deja vu where
Speaker 3: the needle skips and replays the same groove, making it
Speaker 3: feel like you know, when you're like, I've experienced this before,
Speaker 3: you know, And so it could be that you were ahead,
Speaker 3: but now you skip back one slot and now you're
Speaker 3: kind of catching up again.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: It also could be premonitions. While people have premonitions, if
Speaker 3: the needle momentarily jumps forward and then comes right back,
Speaker 3: you might have a glipse of the future, maybe an
Speaker 3: idea of what's going to happen. So now, an example
Speaker 3: would be, you know, someone's walking down a street and
Speaker 3: they finally and they suddenly find themselves in a version
Speaker 3: of the same place from fifty sixty years ago. And
Speaker 3: it could be the record youedo might have just briefly
Speaker 3: skipped to an earlier part of the song and then
Speaker 3: it just returns back. When I talked about that frequency,
Speaker 3: that elastic bringing us back into the time that we're
Speaker 3: supposed to be now, also when we talked about some
Speaker 3: of these bleeding over, it could be some of these
Speaker 3: places might be worn out, like a section of the record,
Speaker 3: you know, when it would kind of skip a little bit.
Speaker 3: Where the grooves are damaged or altered, there's higher incidences
Speaker 3: of time anomalies and which could also be caused by
Speaker 3: local fluctuations and gravity or magneticism.
Speaker 2: It could be any of that.
Speaker 3: So certain places like that have electromagnetic hotspots, like Sedona
Speaker 3: skin Walker Ranch is a big one that has electromagnetic
Speaker 3: hot spots. So these places have high frequency magnetic anomalies,
Speaker 3: so that these locations do coincide with reports of you know,
Speaker 3: time distorations, apparitions like ghosts or glimpses past events or
Speaker 3: and a lot of times they have lost time experiences,
Speaker 3: so that could play into this worn out section of
Speaker 3: the record.
Speaker 7: Now, also, I was just actually investigating an area that
Speaker 7: seems to be in that same sort of groove. So
Speaker 7: I was listening to this one podcast called Sasquatch Chronicles,
Speaker 7: and this guy was talking about his ghost experience at
Speaker 7: a place called Columbia Mansion. Now, this Columbia Mansion has
Speaker 7: been destroyed for decades and decades, but him and his
Speaker 7: friends went out to this place and they were looking
Speaker 7: for Columbia Mansion and the baby grave. I didn't find
Speaker 7: the mansion, but I found the grave of this baby
Speaker 7: where they heard this screaming from. Now. He said that
Speaker 7: when they first showed up at this place, they saw
Speaker 7: this huge wrought iron gate and they could just barely
Speaker 7: slip through it. And they went up to the lady
Speaker 7: who was living there, and they started asking her questions,
Speaker 7: like how do we get out of this place because
Speaker 7: they were kind of lost. Now, she said, what's up
Speaker 7: with their clothing? And then they just noticed that she
Speaker 7: was holding a candle. She wasn't actually holding any sort
Speaker 7: of electric light. They noticed that the lights on the
Speaker 7: outside of the gate they were gas lights, and then
Speaker 7: they drove off. She was talking about some sort of
Speaker 7: carriageway or something and she didn't know what a highway was,
Speaker 7: and so they drove off. They're looking around through these
Speaker 7: woods some more, and then as they drove back, they
Speaker 7: noticed that this Columbia mansion was in complete ruins and
Speaker 7: the fence was laying down on the ground. So it
Speaker 7: could have been a time slip, like you were talking about,
Speaker 7: one of the reasons why I went out there.
Speaker 2: That is cool.
Speaker 3: That is interesting now because because there will be a
Speaker 3: story that I talk about that has that type of
Speaker 3: that story type as well, And I'm going to get
Speaker 3: to that. So that is I find those ones really
Speaker 3: interesting where you're able to interact with people from the past.
Speaker 3: It's not just like the this thing playing out like
Speaker 3: we call like a residual haunting, whereasigual haunting kind of repeats.
Speaker 3: It's like a it's like the records on skip. You know,
Speaker 3: there's one record, this other person's record is on skip
Speaker 3: and you just keep playing over and over and over again,
Speaker 3: and you kind of see it. You see this ghostly
Speaker 3: apparition kind of going on. So that's that's interesting. And
Speaker 3: there is actually one specific one and another one that
Speaker 3: is slightly like that as well. So that could be
Speaker 3: like you saying, this electrocmagnetic hotspot or gravitational distortions kind
Speaker 3: of play into that as well. So Einstein's general relativity
Speaker 3: states that strong gravitational fields can warp space time, and
Speaker 3: we know that from if anybody's ever watched Interstellar, we've
Speaker 3: all learned that. So there's also areas with underground mass
Speaker 3: concentrations like dense minerals or waterflow they have time diholation
Speaker 3: could occur, and such as large quartz deposits, which they
Speaker 3: have in Gettysburn, So that that's something to consider as well.
Speaker 3: So let's let's move ahead a little bit.
Speaker 2: So some I'm gonna say this, so.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, So in certain places they have fluctuating
Speaker 3: magnetic or gravitational conditions, they might act like a scratch
Speaker 3: like we're saying, or warp grooves in the records, causing
Speaker 3: people's perceptions to jump between these moments in time exactly
Speaker 3: like you were saying, where they were interacting with someone else.
Speaker 3: So such as like you know these haunted locations, if certain,
Speaker 3: if they have scratches in the fabric of time, the
Speaker 3: needle might frequently slip into these pass crews. Maybe you
Speaker 3: pass through a specific area that is this right time,
Speaker 3: right place, and you're able to see these people or
Speaker 3: ghosts or hear echoes of past events. Now time loops
Speaker 3: like Groundhoulig Day of sorts is kind of maybe like
Speaker 3: a deep scratch in the record that can cause a
Speaker 3: needle to to stick on a loop and that person
Speaker 3: will keep repeatedly experiencing the same event, like And that's
Speaker 3: when I was talking about these ghosts that are caught
Speaker 3: in we call residual hauntings where they just keep repeating
Speaker 3: the same thing over and over again. It just might
Speaker 3: be the residual energy, not the actual person. But it's
Speaker 3: it's that it happened so often and it was so
Speaker 3: ingrained in there that it just got stuck.
Speaker 2: That energy got stuck in there.
Speaker 3: Also, places like the Bermuda Triangle is well known for
Speaker 3: time distortions. Could that be through gravitational or could it
Speaker 3: be through you know, like underground mass concentration of like
Speaker 3: dense minerals or quarts of something like that. There's rumors
Speaker 3: that it that it could be that that's what it
Speaker 3: could be. Okay, So now we're to go to quantum superposition. Okay,
Speaker 3: So and this is so the core idea of quantum
Speaker 3: superposition is the idea that particles like electrons or photons
Speaker 3: can exist in multiple states or locations at the same time,
Speaker 3: but only until they're observed. So they can exist in
Speaker 3: all these different locations, but once they're observed, they are measured,
Speaker 3: they collapse into one definite state.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So that if those of you don't know the double
Speaker 3: slit experiment, I'm sure many people know that, which is
Speaker 3: one of my favorite experiments ever because it just really
Speaker 3: throws a wrench and everyday physics and just every day relatively,
Speaker 3: so you fire. What they did was fire a single
Speaker 3: particle at two slits, okay, and it behaves like it's
Speaker 3: going through both slits. So this particle splits apart, it
Speaker 3: kind of like slits apart goes, so it's going through
Speaker 3: two locations and it creates a wave like interface pattern.
Speaker 3: So it was kind of doing this. When it hit
Speaker 3: the wall behind it, it was showing up in this
Speaker 3: really weird formation. It shouldn't be doing that, and this
Speaker 3: is when people were not looking at it, okay, But
Speaker 3: the moment it was observed, the wave that it was
Speaker 3: going through just collapses and it picks just one slit,
Speaker 3: so there's no interference. So if you shot it through,
Speaker 3: if you're shooting at these two slits, you would think
Speaker 3: you'd have one line on the other side and one
Speaker 3: line on the other but it wasn't. When it When
Speaker 3: they were shooting at these two slits and no one
Speaker 3: was watching, they were just doing this crazy.
Speaker 2: They're appearing both through.
Speaker 3: They were going through bow slits and then they were
Speaker 3: appearing on the other side in this abstract kind of
Speaker 3: a way because they were interfering with each other as
Speaker 3: after they passed through but they shouldn't do that, and
Speaker 3: when we observe them, so the observer creates reality, which
Speaker 3: is huge, which really takes us back to our consciousness
Speaker 3: when when I say at the beginning that everything is
Speaker 3: kind of just happening all at the same time, it
Speaker 3: really is. Until our consciousness comes into play and we
Speaker 3: watch it, we give it reality. The observer creates reality.
Speaker 7: Okay, well it it brings up the topic of potential
Speaker 7: versus kinetic energy, so that kinetic energy is something that's
Speaker 7: being expended, and that potential energy would be that waveform,
Speaker 7: which is that before it becomes that particle after it's
Speaker 7: been observed. Again, they're dealing with photons, so you can
Speaker 7: see as it's going through those double slits. It makes
Speaker 7: this wide variety of markings based off of like waves
Speaker 7: in the ocean as it's going through. But once you
Speaker 7: use instruments to try and measure the photon as passing
Speaker 7: through there, it narrows down to two slits. So it's
Speaker 7: the potential versus the kinetic right there, and that sort of.
Speaker 3: Example exactly, and reality itself is kind of like a
Speaker 3: i don't know, like a quantum smoothie where all possibilities
Speaker 3: exist everything all at once right now, until you observe
Speaker 3: it or you measure it, and that's when it collapses
Speaker 3: into one version, which can which that that can open
Speaker 3: up so many other possibilities, such as, you know, cryptids,
Speaker 3: why can't we find cryptids? Well, they're not being observed
Speaker 3: right like what once you if you are there at
Speaker 3: the moment where you actually are watching where one is
Speaker 3: passing through in another reality, perhaps if you're there to
Speaker 3: observe it, that's why you see it or UFO or
Speaker 3: shadow beings, they're they're kind of like perhaps in these
Speaker 3: overlapping realities, and it's only visible when our frequency or
Speaker 3: observation lines up with theirs.
Speaker 2: So as it's.
Speaker 3: Spooky or maybe it's fun. So I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: kind of a little bit of everything. So it's I've
Speaker 3: often said as well that you know, our realities are
Speaker 3: like the Russian nesting dolls.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to get into that a little.
Speaker 3: Bit right now, where we're kind of stacked on top
Speaker 3: of each other.
Speaker 6: Okay, So I got a question for you right in
Speaker 6: regards to the Devil's Side experiment.
Speaker 1: There in the spooky nature of it, that is what
Speaker 1: Einstein called it, right, spooky spooky physics.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He would later agree with with Neils Bore before he
Speaker 6: would die, despite disagreeing with him prior to that. Neil's
Speaker 6: Bore being the physicist behind the Copenhurt, the Copenhagen interpretation
Speaker 6: of quantum physics, because why do you think it is
Speaker 6: that modern day science folks shun this quote unquote interpretation?
Speaker 2: Oh are you sorry? Are you asking me? Why do
Speaker 2: I think modern day?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What you know?
Speaker 6: Because like I've had lengthy conversations with numerous science folks
Speaker 6: across various spectrums of philosophy to engineering and whatnot, etc.
Speaker 1: And what none. They're all todd this is bullshit, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Because why would you Because if you were taught that
Speaker 3: it's real, then everything else you're basing your your science
Speaker 3: on is kind of like shaky legs almost. You know
Speaker 3: you don't, but like they believe that.
Speaker 6: Right before in the philosopher's right, even the guys that
Speaker 6: are doing in theory, right they're even signed up for
Speaker 6: this program, weren't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's if you say it doesn't exist, then
Speaker 3: you are over here, okay, and you're saying this is
Speaker 3: the only thing that exists. If you're saying, yes, it
Speaker 3: does happen, but it exists because we watch, Like when
Speaker 3: we watch it, we create our reality. Well, I'm still
Speaker 3: saying that both can be true. So the sense is
Speaker 3: that I can observe this, and I mean I can
Speaker 3: observe this and it's going to do something crazy. But
Speaker 3: as soon as I observe it, then it becomes real
Speaker 3: for us. Well, you can still base everything on that,
Speaker 3: you can still build on that. It's just it it
Speaker 3: opens the doors for so many more ideas that there's
Speaker 3: so much more out there, and it kind of takes
Speaker 3: us back to like the I know, we're talking about
Speaker 3: the Dark Ages earlier, you know, where we're not allowed
Speaker 3: to question things. We're set in this way. You know,
Speaker 3: we're set to know that the Egyptians build the pyramids
Speaker 3: to bury the kings in and that was their tombs,
Speaker 3: and and we can't look at anything else because that
Speaker 3: is what we've taught everybody. It it's ego. One of
Speaker 3: the biggest things is egos. People can't step backwards and say, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's not right and we need to look at it differently.
Speaker 3: Oh that's you know, my even though three or four
Speaker 3: teachers taught me this. I now understand that that's not
Speaker 3: that's not right, and I need to step back. And
Speaker 3: I was one of those teachers, so I need to say, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was wrong.
Speaker 2: Many people. Just the biggest thing is ego.
Speaker 3: People can't admit that they're wrong and continue with it,
Speaker 3: because if they admit that they're wrong, then fundamentally everything
Speaker 3: else that they've been teaching is quite possibly wrong as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but but is it too Oh.
Speaker 1: For sure, I was, I was, you know, I agree
Speaker 1: with you, for sure.
Speaker 6: I also think there was something more of, you know,
Speaker 6: the lid kind of popped off from the situation, and
Speaker 6: someone made a call like we got we gotta, you know,
Speaker 6: put a stab to this back in nineteen thirty two
Speaker 6: or whatever whenever.
Speaker 1: The conference was.
Speaker 6: We got to put a stab to this because we
Speaker 6: can't put the toothpaste back in, you know, into the tube,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And quite possibly there's there are people who
Speaker 3: know this, but they're not letting letting it out right.
Speaker 3: Maybe they know some little bit a little bit more
Speaker 3: and they have an advantage because of this.
Speaker 8: For sure, if I'm add onto that, I believe the
Speaker 8: exact term that Einstein used was spooky action at a distance,
Speaker 8: So it kind of implies the reason why they were,
Speaker 8: or even we were averse to it because it is
Speaker 8: so non material, it's intangible, and yet it's an action,
Speaker 8: it's happened, happening. I wanted to mention an Einstein quote
Speaker 8: too that really beckons to this whole idea of simulation
Speaker 8: and just the confounding nature of time and reality. He
Speaker 8: said reality is an illusion, I albeit a persistent one,
Speaker 8: which I think just really kind of encapsulates so much
Speaker 8: of this thought, so much of the ideas that you're sharing,
Speaker 8: and I wanted to share too, just for consideration. Space
Speaker 8: and time are the only things, if they are things,
Speaker 8: if you will, that can't be destroyed, right, so that
Speaker 8: has this kind of interweaving quantum thing going on with
Speaker 8: space and time.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to.
Speaker 2: And energy as well. Definitely.
Speaker 7: Well, I think this goes into a lot of nixed
Speaker 7: personal experience because science as a discipline is all located
Speaker 7: in the amount of sensory cortex of the brain, right,
Speaker 7: which would be that strip that goes right across that
Speaker 7: middle core tex that you you depicted in those psychology
Speaker 7: classes as the sensory homunculous, right, So you have to
Speaker 7: have the ability to see, touch, taste, and smell it
Speaker 7: for it to be considered science. And they're using instruments
Speaker 7: and calibrating their instruments against their observations for them to
Speaker 7: be able to see it. Now, if you've shut off
Speaker 7: all of your senses, it takes you to a different place,
Speaker 7: which is what Nick has done crossing the Abyss. He's
Speaker 7: shutting off all of the senses. And then once you've
Speaker 7: shut off all of the senses, then you're left with
Speaker 7: what's left. And that is something different than what we're
Speaker 7: used to dealing with in these hard sciences, and it's
Speaker 7: not something they're willing to look at. So the entire
Speaker 7: institution of science is based off of that strip going
Speaker 7: across your head and not the rest of the brain,
Speaker 7: which is still existing even when you've shut that off.
Speaker 3: Well, like a great way to go do that is
Speaker 3: a sensory deprivation chamber. Those are fantastic. I've done that,
Speaker 3: I've done that multiple times.
Speaker 5: I definitely suggest those things.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, a friend of mine actually owned a business
Speaker 3: where they had all these chambers chambers, so we we
Speaker 3: would always go after hours and go in there.
Speaker 2: So that was that's cool.
Speaker 4: You know something else I wanted to bring up before
Speaker 4: it was something that was probably stuck in my head
Speaker 4: for ten minutes. I was like, I can't forget to
Speaker 4: say this, Neil Degrice.
Speaker 5: Whatever is that? Tyson, dude? Whatever?
Speaker 2: Neilson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did say this, and I was like, God, damn,
Speaker 4: this is the only thing I think I ever heard
Speaker 4: him say that was worth listening to. He was going
Speaker 4: on about like the whole matrix idea, which I do
Speaker 4: think is quite possible, and he said, maybe the reason
Speaker 4: we can't go past the speed of light is because
Speaker 4: then we'll be going past the speed of the program
Speaker 4: writing the matrix.
Speaker 5: And that's impossible.
Speaker 4: I was like, cool, all the fuck up, man, I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, he said something kind of like worth
Speaker 4: listening to.
Speaker 3: Well, I do believe he is a little smart. I
Speaker 3: do believe that.
Speaker 2: I think he's a paid actor, though I think that's
Speaker 2: one percent.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I think it's a shill, but I do
Speaker 3: believe that he does come up with some good stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I had to say that.
Speaker 8: I wonder what you think about maybe a contrast to
Speaker 8: the simulation potential of a reality that's impacted by simulations
Speaker 8: or or I mean I think and that's you know,
Speaker 8: this whole idea, it's kind of too scary or too
Speaker 8: spooky to contemplate, as as for you know, the vortexes
Speaker 8: and these spots of power and where space and time
Speaker 8: seem to intersect or something. But maybe there's forces that
Speaker 8: are that didn't create a simulation but are impacting reality
Speaker 8: in some way. I know, that's it's a crazy question.
Speaker 3: Like how is it how are these one certain locations
Speaker 3: like more powerful than others, or or like these crossover points.
Speaker 2: Or I mean, I.
Speaker 8: Mean more like in the sense where if there was
Speaker 8: a superior being that created a simulation being one possibility,
Speaker 8: what about the possibility that there's some kind of other
Speaker 8: superior beings that are impacting reality in a sense. So
Speaker 8: it's kind of like the simulation, but a little not totality.
Speaker 3: Like like people who've got cheat codes and they're they're
Speaker 3: kind of coming in these these other not not the
Speaker 3: actual developer, but maybe other players who've come in with
Speaker 3: cheat codes and they're able to override that. That's like,
Speaker 3: if we want to go into simulation theory, I still
Speaker 3: believe everything else existed, such as like the fall into
Speaker 3: what not. The Watchers, those would be those types of
Speaker 3: people who have come down with these extra abilities, you know,
Speaker 3: these these cheat codes or soda, you know.
Speaker 6: And even those stories we have of the Watchers are
Speaker 6: really just kind of ancient alien cargo cold sales of
Speaker 6: some trying to describe some act.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because they didn't know how to how to
Speaker 3: describe it, so you describe it through magic. But magic
Speaker 3: and science technically are pretty damn close. We just separated
Speaker 3: it in the past, like couple hundred years for sure. Yes,
Speaker 3: And so when we're also talking about, uh, this being
Speaker 3: a matrix, and some people are kind of you really
Speaker 3: should look up. I think it's a Is it Danny
Speaker 3: Gohler who talks about the who used d MT and
Speaker 3: lasers to actually see code?
Speaker 2: I don't know, have you guys? Have you guys?
Speaker 8: I saw that? That is fascinating. And it keeps on
Speaker 8: being from what I see anyway online, it keeps on
Speaker 8: being repeated and by people who are as real astonished.
Speaker 3: By like hundreds Now it's not just and and and
Speaker 3: some people are let in not knowing what they're going
Speaker 3: to see. So it's kind of like a I don't
Speaker 3: want to say, a blind experiment, but here you go.
Speaker 3: We're not going to lead you on and know what.
Speaker 2: You're going to expect.
Speaker 3: And a lot of them have described this running code
Speaker 3: and that there is this code of sorts exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: It's pretty interesting. And the gentleman there, he actually talks
Speaker 3: about see he was able to see the matrix. He
Speaker 3: was able to see things being designed and built accordingly,
Speaker 3: and things changed as well, like streets being changed instantaneously,
Speaker 3: and he says it was like he thought he was
Speaker 3: prepared for that, but he said even after he saw that,
Speaker 3: it was extremely shocking as well. It kind of reminds
Speaker 3: me a little bit of the movie. And I love
Speaker 3: relating things to movies. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 3: some of it it's soft disclosure. Some of it is
Speaker 3: just people are tapping in and they don't really you
Speaker 3: know that they're writing these movies or these books. It's
Speaker 3: because they have access. They don't know, they have subconscious
Speaker 3: access to what is really going on. So such as
Speaker 3: the movie called Dark City, where they're able to they
Speaker 3: call it cubing.
Speaker 2: I believe it's called cubing.
Speaker 3: Were they able to change the city outlook and the
Speaker 3: way the cities are and then they changed memories of
Speaker 3: people and it's really really interesting.
Speaker 7: Well they called it tuning, but.
Speaker 3: It was tuning. I thought it was cubing. But yes,
Speaker 3: they're able to cube. I think they're able to cube
Speaker 3: it it's tuning, yes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, And I think I think there's a real
Speaker 7: big crossover between this idea of the Archons, the Watchers,
Speaker 7: dark City, the idea that there are these things existing
Speaker 7: outside of phase. Right, so as we fade through those
Speaker 7: different layers as they described, they would be existing outside
Speaker 7: of those layers looking in. And I think Nick's experience
Speaker 7: where he's like slowing down these sort of film reels
Speaker 7: in his personal experience, it's sort of like, hey, maybe
Speaker 7: what if I just step back outside of this thing
Speaker 7: and I don't use my senses, I use my mind
Speaker 7: instead of all these other things that are interacting with me.
Speaker 4: I think you almost like choose like a different, different
Speaker 4: sensus to entertainment stuff.
Speaker 8: It reminds me of the complexity of all This reminds
Speaker 8: me of something I believe Steiner proposed that on each
Speaker 8: planet there were several different dimensions.
Speaker 9: Of beings in life, and you know, we could only
Speaker 9: see one on each planet type of thing, which is
Speaker 9: just I mean, it's outstanding to consider, but I mean
Speaker 9: just kind of relates to all this potential.
Speaker 1: I like those ideas.
Speaker 6: E think because our senses, especially our sense of you know,
Speaker 6: what we can see in the visible life specium is
Speaker 6: pretty terrible.
Speaker 3: Oh it's less than a percent. It's less than a
Speaker 3: percent of what we can actually see. And perhaps we're
Speaker 3: designed like that because if we could actually see everything,
Speaker 3: we will go bananas, We go bonkers.
Speaker 7: It implies, it applies that there's somebody keeping the drums,
Speaker 7: you know, keeping the beat, and that's what everybody's on,
Speaker 7: is keeping that beat. But what if you just go
Speaker 7: outside of that beat and then you could see the
Speaker 7: system for what it really is.
Speaker 2: Hmmm.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I wonder if that's what that movie bird Cage
Speaker 4: is kind of about.
Speaker 5: I know, those people are going crazy when they were
Speaker 5: seeing that.
Speaker 4: It was like almost like they'd see these gin or
Speaker 4: something coming of these demons, and they'd go nuts and
Speaker 4: either kill.
Speaker 5: Themselves or kill others. I was like, what if people
Speaker 5: actually were able.
Speaker 4: To start seeing more with their eyes what's in existence
Speaker 4: and they didn't know what was going on? Could people
Speaker 4: start freaking out?
Speaker 8: They would probably become a non communicating autist. They'd be stunned,
Speaker 8: just like as that what was it headless? What is
Speaker 8: it called the.
Speaker 7: The telepathy tapes.
Speaker 2: I've heard about those, I haven't gotten into them yet.
Speaker 7: Well, it's the same idea. They don't have control over
Speaker 7: their sensory strip, right, and so when they're finally able
Speaker 7: to commute using this typing method, they're not associating with
Speaker 7: their body at all, right, and so they've got a
Speaker 7: different experience that allows them to sort of connect on
Speaker 7: a different level that now other people are like, no, no,
Speaker 7: you're in your body, and they don't even realize that
Speaker 7: the arms that are flailing around and that the incidents
Speaker 7: that are happening are actually associated to them at all.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating.
Speaker 3: So there's like this disassociation between mental or consciousness and
Speaker 3: physical and the body.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 8: I believe one of the youngsters in the telepathy tapes,
Speaker 8: as he's developing and getting older, he would come home
Speaker 8: from his classes or school and he was still having problems,
Speaker 8: but becoming more in tune with himself. But he would
Speaker 8: cover himself in pillows so that he could turn off,
Speaker 8: and that's where he could connect that any and I
Speaker 8: think he actually that he literally said himself, was that
Speaker 8: that's where I could turn off and go into this
Speaker 8: other dimension if you.
Speaker 6: All have this the psychic place wow, that I'm not from.
Speaker 6: I'm not familiar with the telepathy tapes. I mean I'm
Speaker 6: vaguely familiar with it, but I figure alway for season
Speaker 6: two when they take the kids to Vegas to count
Speaker 6: blackjack with some with some cash.
Speaker 3: Now do you guys mind if I keep going, I'm
Speaker 3: almost I'm almost done. I'm almost done my scientific kind
Speaker 3: of analogy. So back to the record, right, So, I
Speaker 3: I was saying, everything is like record, so I want
Speaker 3: to go into Now I said that we our groove,
Speaker 3: our our our past, our president of future is already predetermined.
Speaker 3: But I want to bring into the many world's theory,
Speaker 3: which you ever at the third brought in right, so,
Speaker 3: which which means that every decision that we make creates
Speaker 3: a branching all alternate reality, every single decision. So my
Speaker 3: decision to come on today, maybe I had another decision
Speaker 3: where I declined and I go a different route, so
Speaker 3: that that's a whole new other reality. So so like
Speaker 3: what it is is like a new record and a
Speaker 3: massive collection. So all these records are stacked upon each other,
Speaker 3: and your needle, your consciousness is just on the one
Speaker 3: where there could be an event though, where the neeble
Speaker 3: jumps to another record or that's stacked above it or
Speaker 3: below the existing one, which could start to explain a
Speaker 3: little bit of alternate timelines or Mandela effect. Now, now
Speaker 3: you could possibly have two records that have grooves that
Speaker 3: or frequencies that are nearly identical. And this might be
Speaker 3: and this is more along the lines of like your
Speaker 3: Mandela effect, where just a small skip, you might skip
Speaker 3: from one to the other. So maybe you do make
Speaker 3: a choice, We're going to jump to that other record,
Speaker 3: but that's that big choice that that skipped the So
Speaker 3: there might be some minor reality shifts, maybe like a
Speaker 3: word in a famous quote is different or a product
Speaker 3: logo you guys remember is differently.
Speaker 2: So that is so.
Speaker 3: I just believe that these are just these multiple records
Speaker 3: that are all there. They're all there, and our frequency,
Speaker 3: we're still at that one point in our frequency, which
Speaker 3: is we call that our time are now, and we
Speaker 3: could jump to a different reality, but we're still going
Speaker 3: to be in that now. And maybe we're going to
Speaker 3: jump backwards a little bit, but we're always going to
Speaker 3: be brought back to our now through that silver cord
Speaker 3: or that consciousness, that that rubber band or that bungee
Speaker 3: cord is going to bring us back. Now, what else
Speaker 3: could there be so it so there could be like
Speaker 3: a momentary shift in consciousness that could result in some
Speaker 3: briefly experiencing reality where history played out a slightly different. Now,
Speaker 3: I know you were talking about earlier. I can't remember, Nick,
Speaker 3: if you were saying about time dilation and maybe altered perception.
Speaker 3: And the way I would explain that is like a
Speaker 3: record could be played, and again I'm just going back
Speaker 3: to records. Records can be played at different speeds like
Speaker 3: thirty three and a third, forty five or seventy eight rpm,
Speaker 3: which affects how we perceive the audio or experiencing the event,
Speaker 3: So it could be slower or faster, and that we
Speaker 3: relate to quite possibly, how quite possibly, or consciousness or
Speaker 3: physics could have could affect how time is.
Speaker 2: Perceived, which which would take us into.
Speaker 3: Like relativity relativity and time dilation where Einstein special relativity
Speaker 3: says that time slows down when we're approaching high speeds are,
Speaker 3: like I said, strong gravitational fields such as like the
Speaker 3: and I've talked about this before, so Astronauv's maybe on
Speaker 3: the ISS. They aid they do age slightly slower than
Speaker 3: people on Earth due to this effect. When that's all
Speaker 3: other topics we want to talk if space is real
Speaker 3: and whatnot, but that's a whole other, whole other episode.
Speaker 1: But time definitely dilates on Earth there too, though, because
Speaker 1: everyone who's had their adrenaline pump, And that's.
Speaker 3: Exactly what I was going to exactly what I was
Speaker 3: going to say. So it could be the brain processes
Speaker 3: sensory inputs at different speeds depending on stress, drugs, or
Speaker 3: altered states. So adrenaline surg just like you're saying, so,
Speaker 3: such as during an accident, when that can increase the
Speaker 3: frame the frame rate or perception.
Speaker 2: Meaning that time slows.
Speaker 3: So many times when people have near death experiences or NDEs,
Speaker 3: many people report that the time slows down and through
Speaker 3: these during these life threatening moments, they could be like
Speaker 3: slowing the record speed. How they say I saw my
Speaker 3: life flash before me, or they're making a second feel
Speaker 3: like an eternity when everything's just going so slow exactly
Speaker 3: so it's it's definitely this adrenaline or this uh, the
Speaker 3: stress can do that now, also psychedelics, it can affect
Speaker 3: our time perception.
Speaker 2: So d MT or mushrooms uh can.
Speaker 3: Affect the our default mode network or which is the
Speaker 3: d M d M N of the brain, causing either
Speaker 3: you know, the time loops and needless be stuck in
Speaker 3: a groove or expanding time perception of hours.
Speaker 2: Like minutes into hours. So we could just keep Yeah, So.
Speaker 6: What are your thoughts on the natural production of d
Speaker 6: MT that may interject their right?
Speaker 3: Well, I I believe that we need that to keep
Speaker 3: us in sync with our frequency right now, you know
Speaker 3: it it. I think it kind of helps us keep
Speaker 3: our time flow to a natural a natural point, right.
Speaker 2: I think it allows us to actually be able to.
Speaker 3: It allows us if we can fully access the d
Speaker 3: MT that we have that's naturally produced, Like I know,
Speaker 3: we produce it, but I don't think we fully take
Speaker 3: advantage of it.
Speaker 2: I think that, Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't disagree with you on that one, sir. That
Speaker 6: sounds that sounds about what I'm thinking. I wonder if
Speaker 6: it's often the driving force behind this whole experience of
Speaker 6: time that you're describing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel though that us as humans have been
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure if I mentioned this on the
Speaker 3: show before, have been governed. I think that we used
Speaker 3: to have a lot more abilities, and we're kind of
Speaker 3: like how you put a governor in a car so
Speaker 3: they can't exceed a certain speed. I believe that humans
Speaker 3: in a general have been governed, whether we've been governed
Speaker 3: by a creator, whether we've been governed by like this
Speaker 3: ruling class, or maybe all the above is to limit
Speaker 3: our ability, or our knowledge, or our wisdom or our
Speaker 3: or anything. I feel that we are and the DMT.
Speaker 3: I believe that we naturally create. I think.
Speaker 2: Maybe there are certain people who.
Speaker 3: Can access it better, such as like certain shamans, you know,
Speaker 3: when they go into a meditative state, you know, a
Speaker 3: drumming meditation, they're able to access the upper and lower worlds.
Speaker 3: I know some of them use drugs as well.
Speaker 2: Not all of them use.
Speaker 3: Drugs though, and maybe perhaps that they're able to act
Speaker 3: says that natural stream of DMT.
Speaker 7: Well, if I could slightly modify your analogy, what if
Speaker 7: we're building the master instead of just playing a record,
Speaker 7: so each record has to go through the process of
Speaker 7: having these grooves cut into it, and so as we're
Speaker 7: going around that track, we're actually cutting the grooves and
Speaker 7: we're actually making those songs around that thing as it's
Speaker 7: being perceived. Well, you have to wonder if people are
Speaker 7: on a different beat, a different time scale, those are
Speaker 7: going to be different grooves cut into that record. And
Speaker 7: so if that's the case, then you could say culture
Speaker 7: is really driving the different perceptions of time scales that
Speaker 7: are being cut into those grooves. As we're living our
Speaker 7: lives through this sort of plane of reality. And when
Speaker 7: you've separated yourself from that sensory perception, you're sort of
Speaker 7: picking up that needle and so now you're perceiving a
Speaker 7: whole different reality.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: And then let's say you're just taking that needle and
Speaker 7: you're just throwing it across the room, and you're going.
Speaker 1: On, don't do that, you know, But I mean, that's
Speaker 1: one of the.
Speaker 7: Issues that's going on. Maybe that's what death is. We're
Speaker 7: just picking off our needle and throwing it to a
Speaker 7: different record.
Speaker 6: You know, what's feeling all these operations you're describing with
Speaker 6: these needles.
Speaker 1: In the spinning and the crews in the production.
Speaker 7: I think the spinning is a big part of it too,
Speaker 7: because a lot of what we perceive and a lot
Speaker 7: of what we feel is comes down to torsion physics,
Speaker 7: you know, and the torsion physics we see produced all
Speaker 7: around us naturally, Like what causes a tornado to spin?
Speaker 7: You know? These are ideas of pressure differential and how
Speaker 7: these things interact gm metrically that really have the basis
Speaker 7: for why these things are acting the way they are.
Speaker 7: But when you I've heard so many different uh people
Speaker 7: who have near death experiences that see a tornado above
Speaker 7: people's heads after they leave sort of the planet. They're like,
Speaker 7: all these different tornadoes are taking place, Well, what's going
Speaker 7: on with that? I think there's some kind of torsion
Speaker 7: physics that's allowing humans to interact on this reality that
Speaker 7: we haven't really covered the geometry of.
Speaker 6: About that, that's probably true, and seeing all these geometric
Speaker 6: shapes and whatnot, But I'll get back to what's fueling
Speaker 6: that experience. I think it's the same thing that's fueling
Speaker 6: our experience in relative to time, and what I think
Speaker 6: largely fuels our dream state is the natural production of
Speaker 6: d MT.
Speaker 7: Well, again, like all these we're all.
Speaker 1: Tripping basically throughout all this.
Speaker 6: That's why you're seeing all those hexagonal shapes and these
Speaker 6: tornadoes and stuff in these during these near death experiences
Speaker 6: or these these flat these are recycling of all your life,
Speaker 6: you know, life cycle of moments and whatnot in this
Speaker 6: you know picture format is rise described here. You know,
Speaker 6: all these things I think are fueled by that d
Speaker 6: MT experience that we don't quite understand the natural production
Speaker 6: of it. But yeah, it is basically a trip, right,
Speaker 6: and you're basically hallucinating.
Speaker 7: There are these these dead giveaways when you're in a
Speaker 7: dream and when you're outside of a dream, right. One
Speaker 7: of them is that numbers don't seem to work the
Speaker 7: same way in dreams that they do in our waking reality.
Speaker 7: So when you're looking at a dream, it's it's just
Speaker 7: not giving you the same kind of information when you're
Speaker 7: trying to read something, it's not giving you the same
Speaker 7: information in the dream. So I think there's like this
Speaker 7: offset that comes with different molecules and different things that
Speaker 7: sort of skip a little bit. Now, we spend you know,
Speaker 7: a third of our lives asleep, So what's happening there
Speaker 7: in terms of the real relationship with the body and
Speaker 7: consciousness hasn't really fully been explained. But I think there's
Speaker 7: a geometric component to it that causes that sort of
Speaker 7: offset to occur.
Speaker 6: Oh, for sure it has. Well, you're right, it hasn't
Speaker 6: been effectively explained. And there was a guy circa about
Speaker 6: one hundred years ago. I really like his theory. He
Speaker 6: wrote a pamphlet freedy like SIRCA, They're headless. He read
Speaker 6: a pamphlet. He was a British Arab not aical engineer
Speaker 6: named J. W.
Speaker 1: Dunn. He wrote a you know, a small pamphlet called.
Speaker 6: An Experiment in Time, and he basically, you know, based
Speaker 6: upon his own experiences and journals, he was theorizing that,
Speaker 6: you know, when we're in our dream state. He didn't
Speaker 6: know hing about DMT, but when we're in our dream state,
Speaker 6: that our you know, our dream, our conscious you know,
Speaker 6: conscious self works not in this linear space and time
Speaker 6: as we were mentioning earlier, but more so in the
Speaker 6: in the concept of as you were describing, RAI, everything
Speaker 6: is right now, our consciousness can act us everything. We
Speaker 6: just perceived these things lineally as we're awake. So in
Speaker 6: that regard, he started unpacking his dream state and see
Speaker 6: things he was seeing in there and realizing that he's
Speaker 6: not predicting the future of these premonitions. He's just his
Speaker 6: consciousness can remember the future because it's already existed in
Speaker 6: his dream state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something I thought of as well. Oh sorry,
Speaker 2: go ahead, Ethan.
Speaker 7: Oh thank you.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 8: I was going to say, as far as the experience
Speaker 8: of deja vu, what if it is like that in
Speaker 8: the sense that right in it scientifically it takes a
Speaker 8: fraction of time, but it takes a bit of time
Speaker 8: for the light to come into our eyes and be
Speaker 8: digested and understood by the mind. What if our consciousness
Speaker 8: is also distinct from this playing of the time space
Speaker 8: record player, and every once in a while deja vu
Speaker 8: is when we're actually more present, were actually the only
Speaker 8: time we might be present, and the rest of the
Speaker 8: time we're observing what has already played out via some
Speaker 8: fraction of time or elongated time between our experiencer and
Speaker 8: our consciousness. And I believe scientists point out that kids
Speaker 8: up until we're eight is basically like a light acid
Speaker 8: trip with the chemicals that we're on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'll take a couple of doses of that, please, Ethan.
Speaker 7: Given by childhood back.
Speaker 6: So there's a guy that's actually written about a lot
Speaker 6: of these ideas, just as you described Deja vu Ethan.
Speaker 6: There's a fellow that's trying to put the science behind
Speaker 6: the stuff in some books named Anthony Peak. He describes
Speaker 6: you familiar with some of his work, Anthony Peak. Now
Speaker 6: he describes I'm not a biologist, and I'm also not
Speaker 6: the vice president, but he describes this whole process of
Speaker 6: micro two and the brain and light and all sorts
Speaker 6: of stuff that I don't understand, but he makes it
Speaker 6: sound real nice. But I like a lot of his
Speaker 6: ideas in philosophy. Speaking is relative to you know, to time,
Speaker 6: and he's read a couple of books on that, and
Speaker 6: then a couple of books on dream state stuff, and
Speaker 6: you know, a couple of books on He's got a
Speaker 6: general thesis of you know, we've all done this before,
Speaker 6: whether you know, you're just reliving the past over and
Speaker 6: over again, groundhog Day style, as you mentioned dry. In fact,
Speaker 6: the screenwriter for Groundhog Day read this dude's book and
Speaker 6: you know, absolutely loved it.
Speaker 3: Apparently fantastic. Okay, I got one. I'm just going to
Speaker 3: finish this off, and then we're going to move on
Speaker 3: to We're going to move on to my time slips story.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to finish this off here. So what
Speaker 3: it is is.
Speaker 2: How go I say?
Speaker 3: Is so yeah, So again I was talking about the
Speaker 3: speeding up and slowing, so you know, we said that
Speaker 3: like during any type of major event such as a
Speaker 3: car crash, it's just to records slowing down. Now, now,
Speaker 3: after all that's all done, I'm going to move into
Speaker 3: the consciousness. So, as I mentioned before, and this is
Speaker 3: going to wrap everything up, is that what holds us
Speaker 3: in the place of space and time, which is let's
Speaker 3: say the arm of the record player, which is the consciousness,
Speaker 3: which is the key to time perception.
Speaker 2: This is our anchor.
Speaker 3: Okay, and I know we mentioned anchor much earlier, so I
Speaker 3: want to mention anchor. But this consciousness is our anchor.
Speaker 3: So in a record player, there's the arm that holds
Speaker 3: the needle in place, and this could represent our perception
Speaker 3: and awareness. And if we could learn how to control
Speaker 3: the arm, we might be able to move the needle intentiously, intentionally,
Speaker 3: which is like conscious time travel. So you lift the
Speaker 3: needle observe all of time at once, which could be
Speaker 3: people of a higher state of consciousness, which could be
Speaker 3: you know, like monks practicing meditation. Now you also adjust
Speaker 3: the weight of the arm to make the needle less
Speaker 3: prone to accidental skips, which could be mental and environmental stability,
Speaker 3: so where you're more in tune with everything and you're
Speaker 3: not going to have these jumps in and out. It
Speaker 3: could be you know, you working on that. So like
Speaker 3: you know, mystic monks and practitioners of altered state, like
Speaker 3: those in the CIA's Gateway Process, claim to have seen
Speaker 3: past and future events, which could be like lifting the
Speaker 3: needle up, like I said, to view the entire record
Speaker 3: instead of just being stuck in the one groove and
Speaker 3: and just to touch on it. So the Gateway Process,
Speaker 3: which was declassified in eighty three, that was focused on
Speaker 3: training to get our consciousness to move beyond time and space.
Speaker 3: So as we know at the brain is more and
Speaker 3: less is more or less naturally limited to playing that
Speaker 3: one groove at a time, but quite possibly with the
Speaker 3: right techniques, we could lift the needle up and explore
Speaker 3: all of time freely. So the Monro Institute worked with
Speaker 3: the CIA to explore consciousness expansion techniques, teaching individuals to
Speaker 3: detach from from awareness, from time and space. They use
Speaker 3: binearial beats and altered states, suggesting that the mind we
Speaker 3: could literally lift the needle and perceive all at time,
Speaker 3: all the time at once, So.
Speaker 7: It'll be a lot of perception.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, exactly, So that is pretty much my like
Speaker 3: my final thoughts would be the record player model of
Speaker 3: time that aligns with you know, modern physics, neurology, and
Speaker 3: quantum mechanics. So if consciousness plays a role in time perception,
Speaker 3: then intentional techniques.
Speaker 2: Or external forces such as.
Speaker 3: Electromagneticism, gravity, altra states could momentarily shift our needle, leading
Speaker 3: to real.
Speaker 2: Experiences of the past or future.
Speaker 3: So it's quite possibly that we'd be able to tune
Speaker 3: our frequency to shift backwards or forwards, and it's much
Speaker 3: more commentation. It seems it's much more easier to shift backwards.
Speaker 3: So like you're saying, like we're cutting our new record,
Speaker 3: we're cutting that prime record. Maybe it is because the
Speaker 3: future doesn't exist. Maybe because everybody talks about these backward
Speaker 3: shifting kind of thing, we're.
Speaker 2: Able to move or slip into the bass.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a possibility that we literally only have now
Speaker 3: in the past.
Speaker 2: But I do believe that future exists as well.
Speaker 7: It's that wave. There's a wave going on in the future,
Speaker 7: and I think you can influence that wave a lot
Speaker 7: easier than people perceive it to be. And we've sort
Speaker 7: of been, you know, stuck in the idea that everything
Speaker 7: is inevitable. But it's still a wave. It's just potential.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree.
Speaker 3: Now, all right, so we want to we can go
Speaker 3: into I can give I've got five cases to talk about.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't take as long? Shouldn't shouldn't take an hour?
Speaker 3: Should be about forty minutes, I would say, But it
Speaker 3: depends on how much we talk.
Speaker 5: So all right, go for it.
Speaker 2: So you look, let me know when we're starting.
Speaker 5: Let's go.
Speaker 3: We're good, Oh, right on, Okay, So now after we've
Speaker 3: done all that, I'm going to jump into.
Speaker 1: Sometimes slipping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're time slipping, man, we're time yep. And so
Speaker 3: I got I'm going to talk about five here, and
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about the first one, which is
Speaker 3: the most infamous, one of my probably favorite and there's
Speaker 3: so many possibilities to this, which is the Philadelphia experiment.
Speaker 3: Now this is I don't even know where to classify
Speaker 3: this really so For those who don't know, Phildelphi experiment
Speaker 3: is it was probably the most notorious or alleged case
Speaker 3: of a time slip. So this happened during World War Two.
Speaker 3: The US Navy reportedly conducted an experiment in October of
Speaker 3: nineteen forty three, and it was a board the USS Eldridge. Now,
Speaker 3: what they were attempting to do was to render the
Speaker 3: ship invisible to enemy radar. Now, according to the story,
Speaker 3: the experiment not only achieved radar invisibility, but it achieved
Speaker 3: invisibility right there in person, but also accidentally transported the ship.
Speaker 2: And its crew through time.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is all allegedly and now witnesses claim
Speaker 3: that the ship disappeared from its dock in Philadelphia and
Speaker 3: reappeared minutes later in Norfolk, Virginia, which is over two
Speaker 3: hundred miles away. So some reports suggested that the ship
Speaker 3: was briefly visible in the distant future as well, possibly
Speaker 3: glimpsing advanced technologies or unrecognizable world, before returning back to
Speaker 3: nineteen forty three. So the consequence is of this re horrific.
Speaker 3: So some of the sailors were said to be fused
Speaker 3: into the ship's hull some were driven insane by the
Speaker 3: experience or left disorientated and unable to function. So now, intriguingly,
Speaker 3: some former sailors have claimed to remember fragments of the experiment,
Speaker 3: and they're saying that there was these unnatural sensations and
Speaker 3: unexplainable shifts in their surroundings, which adds a chilling.
Speaker 2: Layer of credibility.
Speaker 3: Now, these accounts aligned with the speculation that the experiment
Speaker 3: inadvertently unlocked a gateway to an alternate timeline or to
Speaker 3: the future. Now, in nineteen eighty four, there was I
Speaker 3: know it's an older movie, but there was a movie
Speaker 3: called The Philadelphia Experiment which dramatized the whole thing and
Speaker 3: introduced the idea of a government conspiracy to control time
Speaker 3: and space.
Speaker 2: And while the movie.
Speaker 3: Did embellish on certain elements, it did cement the story's
Speaker 3: place and popular culture, which you know it was it
Speaker 3: a glimpse of humanity's potential future or was it a
Speaker 3: just a warning that these dangers of tampering with the
Speaker 3: fabric of reality.
Speaker 2: So that's what the movie kind of did.
Speaker 3: Now, what was thought was that this ship actually phased
Speaker 3: in and out, okay, and it was with a large
Speaker 3: amount of electricity, they were able to shift this ship
Speaker 3: into a wormhole. That is what potentially happened and shifting
Speaker 3: in and out of reality. I believe the ship and
Speaker 3: the sailors were both shifting out of different there were
Speaker 3: in different frequencies, different realities, and that is why some
Speaker 3: of the sailors actually fused into the boat because they
Speaker 3: were slipping in and through and when it returned back
Speaker 3: into the time that it should have been forty three,
Speaker 3: they both materialized and some were inside partly inside the ship.
Speaker 3: So that is that is the Philadelphia experiment. Now, what
Speaker 3: do do you guys have any like theories on the
Speaker 3: Philadelphia experiment? What do you guys think? I know Einstein
Speaker 3: and Tesla were both involved with this. To what extent,
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure. That's something I need
Speaker 3: to look further into, but I believe that they both
Speaker 3: played a part in this experiment.
Speaker 7: So if we're gonna summarize the technology used, yes, I
Speaker 7: think it's important to note that Tesla was somehow involved
Speaker 7: in this process, and he had two inventions that would
Speaker 7: probably come into play, which would be his Tesla coil, right,
Speaker 7: which you can modulate the frequency to create actually different
Speaker 7: sounds coming from a tesla coil based upon the frequencies
Speaker 7: that it emits. And also he had what they called
Speaker 7: the earthquake device, which was just a oscillating vibratory thing
Speaker 7: that would create a type of vibration that could be
Speaker 7: used as a resonator with the structure around it. So
Speaker 7: if you use the resonant frequency of this ship, right
Speaker 7: which every object has a resident frequency, and then you
Speaker 7: use a similar or some kind of a electromagnetically resonant
Speaker 7: frequency to that base resonance, then what you're going to
Speaker 7: do is you're going to create a phase distortion because
Speaker 7: all of those molecules and all of the stuff on
Speaker 7: that ship is now going to be vibrating at a
Speaker 7: at a harmonic that can then be influenced. So you
Speaker 7: throw these things together and you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 7: You might create invisibility based off of the fact that
Speaker 7: there are no more molecules there. They would shift out
Speaker 7: a phase. So if that was the goal of the experiment,
Speaker 7: I think it was a monumental failure because you're not
Speaker 7: just making it invisible, you're making it no longer applicable
Speaker 7: to this sort of time perception.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and Tesla was involved with the Navy with
Speaker 3: conducting experiments in electromagnetic field manipulation, so there is a
Speaker 3: high probability that he was involved with the Philadelphia experiment,
Speaker 3: you know, because he was working with wireless energy, like
Speaker 3: you said, with his Tesla coils and scaler fields and
Speaker 3: of course resonant frequencies as well.
Speaker 6: And to your point earlier about references the movies there, ry,
Speaker 6: I believe Christopher Nolan kind of instilled these Tesla legends
Speaker 6: in his film The Prestige, where he's Tesla. He's using
Speaker 6: his technology to you know, transport objects, physical objects from
Speaker 6: one location to another.
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't seen that movie yet. Everybody's like,
Speaker 3: why haven't you seen I gotta I gotta watch it.
Speaker 3: I have it, I have it, I haven't watched it.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna make sure I make a note that
Speaker 3: I need to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially you're in to the Tesla stuff, because that's
Speaker 1: a big part.
Speaker 6: Of the whole plotline. Like I just pointed out, and
Speaker 6: David Belli plays Tesla. That's a bit odd, But I'm
Speaker 6: a big fan on the Tesla storyline and technology, and
Speaker 6: you know what we don't understand about it still today.
Speaker 6: And you know, I used to go to up Los
Speaker 6: Angeles a lot for business, and that's I believe the
Speaker 6: only functioning Tesla Coil still available to public, to public.
Speaker 2: View, to public, to the public, Yeah, to public.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Los Angeles.
Speaker 8: I didn't get this question from Q, but I wonder
Speaker 8: what was Trump's uncle or whatever the guy is.
Speaker 7: From m I T I wonder what he was John Trump.
Speaker 8: And also I know it's silly, but that whole Baron
Speaker 8: Time Traveler book is awful spooky.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think of that?
Speaker 2: Extremely spooky?
Speaker 3: Are are the Trump's trime time Travelers or which very
Speaker 3: much could be because the his mentor, Baron Trump's mentor
Speaker 3: was Dawn was the Dawn, right, They called him the Dawn.
Speaker 3: So it's uh, that is one book that I have
Speaker 3: again have not dove into. I know a little bit
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 8: And he was from Madison Avenue, I.
Speaker 3: Believe, yeah, he from He had a hotel on Madison Avenue.
Speaker 3: He lived on Madison Avenue. And that also led to
Speaker 3: the Last President as well.
Speaker 2: They they wrote a book.
Speaker 3: He also wrote a book called The Last President with
Speaker 3: Trump being the last President. So that's it's a lot
Speaker 3: of unrest which goes goes down with it.
Speaker 2: So who knows, you know?
Speaker 3: Is now I often think, is is it a possibility
Speaker 3: as a time traveler, or is it a possibility that
Speaker 3: he's really knowledgeable about things that are out there and
Speaker 3: uses that to his advantage? You know, like, let's us
Speaker 3: say he because this book has been around for I
Speaker 3: don't know since what the eighteen hundreds or something like that,
Speaker 3: maybe he he saw it. He named his child after
Speaker 3: that book for that very reason, you know, is that
Speaker 3: a possibility? It could be. It could be that he
Speaker 3: is quite astute and aware of the going on.
Speaker 6: And maybe maybe the same time though right see the
Speaker 6: book the book was named and Baron was named having
Speaker 6: at the same time, it could be.
Speaker 1: I feel think there's a lot more to this John G.
Speaker 1: Trump situation.
Speaker 6: He was the most notable physics professor in MIT history,
Speaker 6: and he was deeply involved in black projects during World
Speaker 6: War Two, not the least of which was getting his
Speaker 6: hands on Tesla technology.
Speaker 1: And again the fact we have one.
Speaker 6: Tesla coil for folks to go, so they should tell
Speaker 6: the story of we don't know shit about whatever Tesla
Speaker 6: was into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we're not we're not allowed to know the
Speaker 2: kind of shit.
Speaker 3: So yeah, because allegedly when he went in to collect
Speaker 3: Tesla's boxes or crates, you know, there was well I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, I can't remember the numbers, like forty eight
Speaker 3: crates and then he returned like forty three crates and said,
Speaker 3: there's nothing of notable value in any of this.
Speaker 2: Like hmm, so where's the rest of it?
Speaker 7: You know, it brings it brings to mind the idea
Speaker 7: of what these these people have called the jump rooms, right,
Speaker 7: and so what they talk about is the ability to
Speaker 7: see between these different timelines and to see back into
Speaker 7: the past based off of these uh, you know, Tesla
Speaker 7: technologies that were taken. And then you look at the
Speaker 7: idea of this Trump phenomenon and how Baron Trump and
Speaker 7: all the rest of these characters are found in these books,
Speaker 7: and it's like maybe they were looking into a slightly
Speaker 7: different potential future or maybe other other parts that they
Speaker 7: didn't necessarily get to put together. And so maybe authors
Speaker 7: were watching at this you know jump room, watching these
Speaker 7: different futures play out, writing it down and making novels
Speaker 7: out of it. You know, you never know, because once
Speaker 7: you started the sort of process of expecting potential futures.
Speaker 7: You could get some of these images and maybe not
Speaker 7: all of them.
Speaker 2: Sure, well, isn't that what profits are like?
Speaker 3: You know, we have we have profits from you know,
Speaker 3: times of old, and now we don't have any more profits?
Speaker 2: Is that possible? Or maybe we do? They just write
Speaker 2: books about it.
Speaker 1: Don't tell the Mormons that, sir, they got a profit.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: We got to talk about that, JJ. We got to talk.
Speaker 5: About those Mormons, alright, right, next one, yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right.
Speaker 3: So the next one we're going to jump into, of course,
Speaker 3: is one that actually this is a time slip area
Speaker 3: that that is extremely common. When we talked about those
Speaker 3: weak points, maybe like the record is worn down, it's
Speaker 3: in this spot. It's in Liverpool, England, on Bold Street.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys ever heard about Bold
Speaker 3: Street in Liverpool. It is known for these time slips
Speaker 3: happening so often. So this happened in ninety six. A
Speaker 3: man named Frank was out shopping with his wife. They
Speaker 3: parted the ways and you know, because you don't want
Speaker 3: to go shopping with your wife all the time, she
Speaker 3: goes to her stores and you're like, well, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go to check out a bookstore or something like that.
Speaker 3: So Frank was walking around, and he said that he
Speaker 3: noticed like the atmosphere was starting to change around him.
Speaker 3: He said that the air seemed heavier, and the noise
Speaker 3: of modern traffic kind of was like fading away.
Speaker 2: It was like he was walking through with some sort
Speaker 2: of fog.
Speaker 3: So when he looked around, he realized that, like, this
Speaker 3: ain't nineteen ninety anymore, and he says the cars were
Speaker 3: all older, they looked like the fifties, and the streets,
Speaker 3: he said, were much quieter. Ops around him had changed
Speaker 3: as well. So instead of like this modern bookstore that
Speaker 3: he was going into, he saw one called Crips, which
Speaker 3: he's able later to confirm on that one and not
Speaker 3: the Gang Cryps, but c r i Ps.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's let's clear that up.
Speaker 3: So Frank walked further and he was feeling like, I
Speaker 3: don't belong in this area or this time. So he
Speaker 3: inadvertently interacted with the shopkeeper, he said, who seemed entirely
Speaker 3: unaware of anything out of the ordinary, and which kind
Speaker 3: of further cemented this experience. It was just authentic. And
Speaker 3: he says, though as soon as the experience started. It
Speaker 3: just kind of he said, he found himself. It just
Speaker 3: kind of like all faded and went back into the presence.
Speaker 3: So his consciousness brought him back, his his silver cord
Speaker 3: or his his bungee cord brought him back into this time.
Speaker 3: He says he was driven by curiosity about this, so
Speaker 3: he started researching records and photographs from the fifties, and
Speaker 3: he was able to match everything up, even like the
Speaker 3: exact location of that that shop he.
Speaker 2: Went in Crips.
Speaker 3: He it was, it was there, and so everything aligned
Speaker 3: with these historical archives, and so it really gave weight,
Speaker 3: lent weight to his story. You know a lot of
Speaker 3: people just have these anecdotal evidence, but he was able to,
Speaker 3: you know, give these descriptions of the stores and then
Speaker 3: he was able to find them as well. So it
Speaker 3: really looked like this type of temporal shift that he had,
Speaker 3: so this would definitely be a time slip. So this
Speaker 3: was and this was, like I said, this wasn't an
Speaker 3: isolated incident on Bold Street. A lot of people that
Speaker 3: they call us the temporal hotspots. So but why is
Speaker 3: this Is this a place where there's a lot of crossover.
Speaker 3: Is this a place where those grooves aren't as thick.
Speaker 3: Is it just this crossover of these times, this one
Speaker 3: specific point, is there a high concentration of minerals or
Speaker 3: is it electromagnetic interferences there?
Speaker 2: Not sure on that location.
Speaker 6: I have a suggestion for you there right, I'm not
Speaker 6: sure about specifically on bolts for this precise location. However,
Speaker 6: years ago I did a relative comparison of Liverpool, Ohio
Speaker 6: and Liverpool, England and the many mounds that these two
Speaker 6: cities were built upon.
Speaker 2: Oh that's that.
Speaker 3: That adds a lot more credence to it, you know,
Speaker 3: at the mounds and stuff like that, because a lot
Speaker 3: of times they're built on lay lines and these tow
Speaker 3: alerc currents. And I had a previous guest Walter Bosley,
Speaker 3: where he talks about a carousel on a tuluric point
Speaker 3: like a cross on the thirty third parallel, which was
Speaker 3: in Disneyland, and he talks about how they developed it,
Speaker 3: not necessarily as a time travel per se, but it
Speaker 3: was to create this euphoric energy in that area. So
Speaker 3: when you go in there, you kind of lose sense
Speaker 3: of time and place and you just really enjoy yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: And I think that I'm familiar with his theories on that.
Speaker 6: There's a lot to be said there because years ago,
Speaker 6: when I first started getting to the mounds, I thought
Speaker 6: of these ideas of them being nodes.
Speaker 1: Right along these lay lines.
Speaker 6: And there are many adena sites that I checked out
Speaker 6: in Ohio that was able to find, you know, comparative
Speaker 6: analysis from the US Geological Survey. They did studies and
Speaker 6: show there are different energy patterns at those sites.
Speaker 7: One thing about that JJ something that just occurred to me.
Speaker 7: So do you remember the movie Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: Where the being facetious there? Of course I remember Drassic Park.
Speaker 7: Well, okay, the chaos mathematician is talking about how the
Speaker 7: water will turn on the hand. Do you remember that
Speaker 7: part where he's hitting on that lady, right, so he's
Speaker 7: hidden on her and showing her that the water is
Speaker 7: coming off in different directions even though he left it
Speaker 7: on the same spot. Well, what if those bends in
Speaker 7: the river represent these different ways that water can turn
Speaker 7: based off of this chaos principle? And where do you
Speaker 7: find the mounds accept at these bends in the river? Right?
Speaker 1: And so by concentration there you go.
Speaker 7: What they're trying to do is they're trying to encapsulate
Speaker 7: that sort of chaos energy. And what ends up happening
Speaker 7: is other towns are built on direct currents coming from
Speaker 7: those bends in the river based upon the idea that
Speaker 7: these rivers contain the memory. Right, so water containing memory
Speaker 7: is not something that's new, but it's something that is
Speaker 7: very very old. And the idea of these water places,
Speaker 7: just like you were talking about when it comes to
Speaker 7: these residual hauntings, these water bends represent a change in
Speaker 7: that chaotic energy that then you can harness using these
Speaker 7: mountain sides.
Speaker 2: Interesting, interesting theory.
Speaker 7: Very interesting.
Speaker 8: And don't they find that rivers, even though they seem chaotic,
Speaker 8: they actually all rivers have a certain mathematical system to them.
Speaker 7: That's the same that chaos chaos mathematics. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Cool, Now, I we had talked to you had talked
Speaker 3: earlier about the people who went to that hotel. Right,
Speaker 3: they went or to that inn and there was the
Speaker 3: lady there, and then they came back and she was
Speaker 3: not there, right, it was all gone. So this this
Speaker 3: next story is the one that I wanted to mention
Speaker 3: that was very similar to that, and it's called they
Speaker 3: nicknamed it the Vanishing Hotel.
Speaker 2: In France.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this this happened in seventy nine where two
Speaker 3: British couples were traveling through France and they decided to
Speaker 3: stop for the night. They saw this nice, quaint, old
Speaker 3: fashioned hotel. But they did realize that it kind of
Speaker 3: seemed to be like frozen in time. It didn't it
Speaker 3: wasn't right for the time period that they were in.
Speaker 3: Though they was charming. The hotel was charming, but it
Speaker 3: was very rustic, like the keys were wood instead of
Speaker 3: like modern metal ones, and the staff were all dressed
Speaker 3: in like this clothing that was kind of from the
Speaker 3: early twentieth century.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: The rooms also lacked modern conveniences, like they didn't have
Speaker 3: phones or electric lighting.
Speaker 2: But both couples was like, they liked it. It was nice,
Speaker 2: and they said that the.
Speaker 3: Things were really really cheap there, which which kind of
Speaker 3: adds a little strange at justs like how do they
Speaker 3: pay for it? But so that was their stay and
Speaker 3: they continued on their journey and they said when they
Speaker 3: returned back to the hotel and their way back, because
Speaker 3: they're like, I like this, let's stay there.
Speaker 2: They were unable to find it.
Speaker 3: They were on the same route and they found no
Speaker 3: trace of the building or any of the locals. None
Speaker 3: of the locals had even heard of it, which which
Speaker 3: really added a lot of mystery to this. And they
Speaker 3: they had pictures, so they went and got their pictures developed,
Speaker 3: and when they saw it, the pictures were.
Speaker 2: Blank, as if like nothing was there.
Speaker 3: It was like all white, Like they got the pictures
Speaker 3: developed and there was just nothing on their pictures. They said,
Speaker 3: like they had these interactions with the staff. They said
Speaker 3: that they kind of talked with an old dialleck. But
Speaker 3: again they just assumed everything was that's that's just how
Speaker 3: it was supposed to be. They Yeah, so it kind
Speaker 3: of sees it seems that like they found a place
Speaker 3: that crossed over. They either crossed over or this place
Speaker 3: jumped forward and and and they had like this the slip.
Speaker 3: Was it a time slip of them or was it
Speaker 3: a time slip of the hotel? So it's and it's
Speaker 3: some people have said that, oh, this is just a hoax,
Speaker 3: or they misremembered the event. I hate that when that happens,
Speaker 3: But they they completely described it.
Speaker 2: They stuck to this saying that no, this is what happened.
Speaker 3: They did not they did not like you know, they
Speaker 3: never retracted their statements, they never changed that they said
Speaker 3: this is exactly what happened. And so you have multiple people,
Speaker 3: they had four people, because there's two couples that claimed
Speaker 3: this all happened. So it's really really interesting, you know,
Speaker 3: was it was it the location.
Speaker 2: Or was it the people or was it both?
Speaker 7: Well, I think there's a lot of interesting stories exactly
Speaker 7: like this where people exit a portal, right, like a
Speaker 7: door or some other sort of edifice, where they're walking
Speaker 7: out into something that is then totally different from the
Speaker 7: world that they're walking you know, from, And I think
Speaker 7: you know, there's this account on Instagram where she's constantly
Speaker 7: taking these stories about glitches and the matrix.
Speaker 2: At anti matrix or something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Right, But the idea there is that somehow between one
Speaker 7: layer and another, these different choices that you make, just
Speaker 7: like you were talking about these branching multiple timeline ideas,
Speaker 7: will take you to a different place and you really
Speaker 7: necessarily note was there before? And sometimes this actually goes
Speaker 7: into a lot of this NPC theory too, these philosophical
Speaker 7: zombie is that maybe the potential exists for this thing
Speaker 7: to be something else, but the characters there aren't really
Speaker 7: on the same level as the humans that we know
Speaker 7: and interact with. It goes back to the simulation theory.
Speaker 7: So what if there are people out there who are
Speaker 7: these sort of like pre humans And that takes me
Speaker 7: to uh, I don't know if you guys have seen
Speaker 7: the Langaliers by uh, what's his name?
Speaker 1: Uh, the guy that kills John Lennon.
Speaker 7: The guy that killed John Lennon.
Speaker 3: That's right, Sorry, I thought it was so you said
Speaker 3: the Langaliers. Wasn't that Stephen King.
Speaker 7: The guy that killed John Lennon.
Speaker 6: That's there's a guy that drives a bus around America
Speaker 6: claiming that that Stephen King murdered Gentlenen.
Speaker 2: Okay, now, now I got you. Now I got you.
Speaker 7: So in the Langoliers, there's this idea of pre time,
Speaker 7: pre now and then post now, and then this post
Speaker 7: now period has to be recycled by these creatures he
Speaker 7: called the Langaliers, which is really interesting that he chose
Speaker 7: the name Langalires because in the Upper Midwest, no, no,
Speaker 7: this is the New England there they have this idea
Speaker 7: that the Langaliers are like these miners and you'll hear
Speaker 7: them under the ground, pounding away, taking minerals from under
Speaker 7: the ground, right, And so this idea of the langaliars
Speaker 7: being this force that recycles time. After the now has passed,
Speaker 7: then they come in and then they eat all of
Speaker 7: the different pieces. And if you're stuck in the later
Speaker 7: instead of the now, then you will be, you know,
Speaker 7: consumed along with the rest of that material too. Well,
Speaker 7: there's this idea that maybe we're constantly being recycled, and
Speaker 7: that would make sense if you're thinking about a multiple
Speaker 7: universe model. After things have happened the way that they've happened,
Speaker 7: somebody's got to get rid of the refuse, somebody's got
Speaker 7: to get rid of all this other stuff. And if
Speaker 7: you think about maybe biological theories about multi dimensional beings,
Speaker 7: why wouldn't that be a thing, Because you know, we're
Speaker 7: not existing on single planes ourselves. It's sort of like
Speaker 7: a non local consciousness. Why wouldn't there be other things
Speaker 7: that exist on multiple levels only without our perception because
Speaker 7: we're always living in.
Speaker 2: The now now now.
Speaker 3: I like the theory of the langeliers in the sense
Speaker 3: of this post time in pre time where you can
Speaker 3: kind of be out of sync with the actual frequency
Speaker 3: that it should be on. But if we say that
Speaker 3: the past is being consumed, then we should never be
Speaker 3: able to travel into the past itself. But this being
Speaker 3: out of sinc I think it's I think it explains
Speaker 3: a lot of things. I think it's quite possible that
Speaker 3: many people that we could be out of sync and
Speaker 3: then we kind of like line back up and we
Speaker 3: come back into sync, which is back into the consciousness
Speaker 3: where I talked about that before. Now I'm going to
Speaker 3: I'm gonna head onto the next one because I don't
Speaker 3: want to keep you guys too long, which is the
Speaker 3: time slip soldier from Scotland in the fifties. So in
Speaker 3: the fifties there was a soldier stationed in Scotland and
Speaker 3: he had an experience that haunted him for the rest
Speaker 3: of his life. He said that walking alone one evening
Speaker 3: he heard this, he kind of found himself in a
Speaker 3: chaotic battlefield. He says, the terrain was unfamiliar and the
Speaker 3: soldiers around him were wearing uniforms that he didn't recognize.
Speaker 3: He said he could hear sounds of explosions and on gunfire,
Speaker 3: which was overwhelming, and he says before he could fully
Speaker 3: process what was happening, everything just kind of dissolved, so
Speaker 3: he kind of came back into his frequency again. He
Speaker 3: came back into his proper timeline, so he was disorientated,
Speaker 3: and he was back on this quiet road where he
Speaker 3: had started. He said that the transition was so abrupt
Speaker 3: that it says he felt like he was awaking from.
Speaker 2: A vivid dream. Yet he swear he.
Speaker 3: Could still hear the sounds of battle in his mind,
Speaker 3: like I swear to God, I could still hear this,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't just a hallucination.
Speaker 2: So he ended up.
Speaker 3: He went and found himself a historian, and he meticulously
Speaker 3: described the uniforms, the weapons, and even what the terrain
Speaker 3: looked like. And the historian was able to confirm that
Speaker 3: these details matched the Battle of Culloden, which was in
Speaker 3: seventeen forty six. So he was able to match it
Speaker 3: down because of the Tartan patterns and the weaponry used
Speaker 3: in that hit clash. So that's how precise he was
Speaker 3: able to do it, and so they were able to
Speaker 3: say this is when it was. So he says that
Speaker 3: he just had to look in further into this, So
Speaker 3: he dove in so much so he was he was
Speaker 3: so he knew that that was it so the battle
Speaker 3: colored in seventeen forty six. So he started studying maps
Speaker 3: and first time accounts from the era, so he could
Speaker 3: actually place the exact location and the battlefield, so where
Speaker 3: he was, because he didn't just transport. It wasn't like
Speaker 3: he transported to that exact location that he was in. Originally,
Speaker 3: he transported to a different place, so not like the
Speaker 3: previous one where he was walking on in Liverpool and
Speaker 3: he was just was in the same the same spot.
Speaker 3: I believe that was in Bold Street, So he moved
Speaker 3: to a different place. So he was able to remember
Speaker 3: these landmarks and he was able to find the exact
Speaker 3: spot where he.
Speaker 2: Was and this exact battle.
Speaker 3: So he says there was like a possible connection between
Speaker 3: his experience and the energy of the site.
Speaker 2: So it really lent credence.
Speaker 3: To his belief that he stepped back into that critical
Speaker 3: moment in history. So it was it was very very interesting,
Speaker 3: and so he also claimed that like he never changed
Speaker 3: his story, and he was able to prove it, you know,
Speaker 3: by by describing everything and by finding the actual location
Speaker 3: of where he went back, which is amazing.
Speaker 7: Well that brings up the Army of the Twelve Monkeys.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys have ever seen Twelve Monkeys,
Speaker 7: that movie is a trip, right, But there's also real
Speaker 7: life examples of the twelve Monkeys type phenomenon. If you
Speaker 7: look back, there's a case of a Spanish conquistador. Shortly
Speaker 7: after they conquered all of to Note Sheet Land, there
Speaker 7: was this conquistador who fell asleep on duty and woke
Speaker 7: up in Spain. So he was right there, he was
Speaker 7: on duty. He leaned up against the pillar and then
Speaker 7: he woke up back in Spain. And they had no
Speaker 7: idea how he could have done that. There's no way
Speaker 7: he could have made it across the Atlantic like that.
Speaker 7: But it's so strange that you would have that sort
Speaker 7: of time space variance between there and there, and you know,
Speaker 7: it's a historical example of well there must have been
Speaker 7: a time slip, you know.
Speaker 3: Was it a time slip or was it just to
Speaker 3: a location slip? You know, like I wonder if there
Speaker 3: was any time difference in that, or if it was
Speaker 3: just location.
Speaker 7: Time and space true.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 3: Wow, All right, guys, I'm gonna I'm gonna do the
Speaker 3: last one, which I really this is probably my second favorite,
Speaker 3: which is the Vanishing Train in Italy, which was in
Speaker 3: nineteen eleven. So this this train was carrying passengers and
Speaker 3: it disappeared while traveling through a tunnel, maybe a portal
Speaker 3: near Lombardy, Italy. So the train was part of the
Speaker 3: Zenetti rail line and it entered a tunnel, but it
Speaker 3: reportedly never emerged. Now, rescue teams found no trace of
Speaker 3: the train or its passengers, and years later a few
Speaker 3: survivors reportedly surfaced with crazy, bizarre and chilling claims. They
Speaker 3: said that they they described the train entered the tunnel
Speaker 3: and there was this intense white light that goes everything
Speaker 3: around them. And this light, they said, just wasn't bright.
Speaker 3: It felt like it was alive and it was surrounding
Speaker 3: and isolating them in this void. And when these passengers
Speaker 3: said that they regained awareness, they found themselves standing outside
Speaker 3: the tunnel and they said it was and this is
Speaker 3: kind of like the Langeleiers.
Speaker 2: So they said that everything was.
Speaker 3: Silent and devoid, like there was nothing and there was
Speaker 3: the train wasn't there, other passengers weren't there. They said,
Speaker 3: they felt very disorientated and just unsettled. So that would
Speaker 3: be like adding to the enigma that their memories of
Speaker 3: the event were fragmented and the white lights somehow interfered
Speaker 3: with their ability to fully comprehend what happened, so they
Speaker 3: have like these loss of time time loss. So I
Speaker 3: think this really ties in a little bit with the
Speaker 3: Langoliers kind of like because there was only a certain
Speaker 3: amount of passengers that had fallen asleep on the on
Speaker 3: the plane, mind you, that they're the ones that traveled
Speaker 3: out of sync. Now even strange is that this there's
Speaker 3: reoccurring reports of this train has been cited in various
Speaker 3: locations across Europe and also as far away as Mexico.
Speaker 3: So when you're talking about like that Conquisador, you know,
Speaker 3: leaning up, falling asleep and being transported back to Spain,
Speaker 3: well this is kind of along that lines as well.
Speaker 3: So witnesses always describe it as like this old fashioned
Speaker 3: locomotive with silent and the passengers are just blankly staring out.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're just stuck, they're stuck in time, and they.
Speaker 3: Said this this apparition just appears and just vanishes just
Speaker 3: as suddenly, just you know, just leaving uneasiness.
Speaker 2: People just feel uneasy when they see it.
Speaker 3: So could be a spectral echo of this train or
Speaker 3: is it trapped somewhere out of time and it's just
Speaker 3: bleeding into our reality every now and then, So who
Speaker 3: knows what that's coming. So this could be like and
Speaker 3: like you said when you talked about the Langeleers before,
Speaker 3: that's why this one was. I'm like, oh yeah, wait
Speaker 3: till we get to this one. So it's very kind
Speaker 3: of similar of that where they're just out of sync
Speaker 3: and they're they're just behind time. I believe they're they're
Speaker 3: just just in the past there. So it's it's really
Speaker 3: really interesting. I like that one as well.
Speaker 7: Phase is so important and once that that drummer takes
Speaker 7: you off of beat, you never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: Nope, no, not at all, not at all. That's exactly
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And when our consciousness somehow gets or the frequency that
Speaker 3: we're tuned into somehow gets changed, or or something is
Speaker 3: is uh like covering it or or or misdirecting it
Speaker 3: or trying to make it all visible. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 3: perhaps they're stuck in this altered state of consciousness for
Speaker 3: a second and for us it's one hundred years, fifty years,
Speaker 3: you know, could be anything like that, and it just
Speaker 3: sure for them could be a second for us, could
Speaker 3: be years.
Speaker 2: So that there are my stories.
Speaker 3: Those are kind of my that's my time slip and
Speaker 3: time travel. So you know, I do you believe that
Speaker 3: these time slips are genuine?
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I really believe it's I think that we don't understand
Speaker 3: time yet. We're trying to. We're trying so hard to.
Speaker 3: But some people are just stuck with with their blinders on,
Speaker 3: and they just focus in on the mundane task I
Speaker 3: got to get up, go to work, do this other thing,
Speaker 3: when there's so much more for us out there to
Speaker 3: see and to perceive and to try to break free of.
Speaker 7: Well, I think that weight is really important, because you're
Speaker 7: saying like almost like, as you've got these blinders on,
Speaker 7: it adds to the weight of not willing to see
Speaker 7: these things. So you're almost more susceptible to being influenced
Speaker 7: by these time slips if you're not able to understand, Hey,
Speaker 7: other people have been through this. All I have to
Speaker 7: do is keep my eyes on the prize and we'll
Speaker 7: be back to normal. So a lot of people might
Speaker 7: be fucking with things in the past that they really
Speaker 7: shouldn't be fucking with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're talking about the weight, though it could
Speaker 3: also be like those people that are you know, they're stuck,
Speaker 3: like not stuck, but they're really solidly planted into this
Speaker 3: time and they're not moving anywhere. And you know, when
Speaker 3: you got people getting high, you know, whether you take
Speaker 3: DMT or any type of other thing, you're you're rising
Speaker 3: above and you're able to perceive more than what you
Speaker 3: should be seeing because you're not weight, you're not heavy.
Speaker 7: What we end up doing is we end up thinking
Speaker 7: that our senses are the things that are supposed to
Speaker 7: be guiding us. But in these time slip scenarios, what
Speaker 7: we should be doing is using our cognitive abilities instead
Speaker 7: of thinking about what are my eyes telling? Yeah, because
Speaker 7: if we're not doing that, we might end up I mean,
Speaker 7: look at all these different events that have been changed,
Speaker 7: like the Barren Stein Bears and all these other things.
Speaker 7: What if that's because of cosmic weather activities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, electromagnetic electromagnetic activities that have bounced us over to
Speaker 3: another timeline where it is the Barren Stain Bears instead
Speaker 3: of the Barren Steam Bears, or is Jiffy and you
Speaker 3: know or whatever else you wanted to be a fruit
Speaker 3: of loom with the cornucopia or not. You know, it
Speaker 3: could be that we're getting bounced around by high electromagnetic frequencies,
Speaker 3: or SERN just ended the world and we had to
Speaker 3: actually jump over into a new timeline, right.
Speaker 7: You never know. I've got a short email. If you
Speaker 7: don't mind, I can throw that out there and then
Speaker 7: we can wrap it up. So this is from Jamie Ellis.
Speaker 7: I love the show very much, particularly the mail bag.
Speaker 7: I have what feels like a very mundane story from childhood,
Speaker 7: but my experiences was so profound I forgot about it
Speaker 7: for nearly twenty years. This was until I started looking
Speaker 7: into out of body experiences, when a year or two
Speaker 7: into my research, I suddenly remembered it, and not like
Speaker 7: remembering a joke or a trinket someone gave you. Once
Speaker 7: I was there and I could feel it and see
Speaker 7: it again, the seed from my experience. I need to
Speaker 7: tell you. I lived in a small coal miners town
Speaker 7: south of England. I'd lived in this house my whole
Speaker 7: life at the point guessing I was ten or twelve.
Speaker 7: My bedroom was at the back of the house, such
Speaker 7: that as I left the room I would need to
Speaker 7: turn one hundred and eighty degrees to the left on
Speaker 7: the landing to be looking down the stairs. At the
Speaker 7: bottom of the stairs, the steps went through a ninety
Speaker 7: degree turn to the left to go towards the living room,
Speaker 7: which I had, which had a closed door. This particular morning,
Speaker 7: as I woke up, I remember feeling this very subtle
Speaker 7: odd sensation that I could not place. Without thinking about
Speaker 7: the sensation, I left my bedroom and for a brief
Speaker 7: moment I paused and stood on the landing. At this point,
Speaker 7: two things struck me. One the feeling of the hot
Speaker 7: summer morning sunlight on my face and body coming from
Speaker 7: the front bedroom opposite me. Two, the warmth of the
Speaker 7: now hot sunlit carpet on the soles of my feet.
Speaker 7: At that time, I thought nothing of these sensations, as
Speaker 7: they seemed perfectly normal. However, as I turned the one
Speaker 7: hundred and eighty degree to go down the stairs, there
Speaker 7: was me. My body sat at the bottom of the
Speaker 7: stairs on my bumb how I often descended the stairs
Speaker 7: as a child about to go through the door to
Speaker 7: the living room. As I looked at myself at the
Speaker 7: bottom of the stairs, corporeal me seemed to notice my
Speaker 7: conscious self where I felt like I was witnessing reality
Speaker 7: from the top of the stairs and turned around to look.
Speaker 7: I looked into my own eyes. I locked eyes with
Speaker 7: myself for a moment. Unfortunately, this is the end of
Speaker 7: my memory. I have tried for a long time to
Speaker 7: recall a resolution to the scenario, but I don't seem
Speaker 7: to be able to. In my childhood, i'd put this
Speaker 7: all down to a strange tree. But how it struck
Speaker 7: me later in life, with such visceral memory of feeling
Speaker 7: and sensation, it tells me it was no dream.
Speaker 3: That's interesting, especially especially able to lock eyes. I think
Speaker 3: that to make that eye contact, because we talked about eyes.
Speaker 3: I think it's very important, you know, our perceiving reality,
Speaker 3: and she was able to lock eyes with herself.
Speaker 2: What was it? Was it a time slip or was
Speaker 2: it a doping ganger or what was it screeving?
Speaker 7: It seems it seems like a time slip, but it
Speaker 7: could be that doppelganger because she's not remembering perceiving herself
Speaker 7: from her former self, So there's this sort of out
Speaker 7: of phase reality right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Or is her from another reality crossing over into
Speaker 3: that reality and seeing that so many questions no answers.
Speaker 3: One answer. Wherever you get one answer, it's like ten
Speaker 3: more questions. That's the way it always goes.
Speaker 7: Absolutely well.
Speaker 4: I definitely think I think there's something up with some
Speaker 4: of these stories, for sure. I'm sure there's something there.
Speaker 4: There's something legit, you know. Very interesting, yeah, very interesting stuff.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much. Man. That was well put together.
Speaker 5: That was a lot of information. Wasn't actually expecting all that.
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 5: Sorry, I wasn't expecting all that. Actually, that was a lot, I.
Speaker 1: Know, I know.
Speaker 3: I didn't want it to be basic. I wanted it
Speaker 3: to be a little in depth, and I might have
Speaker 3: went a little too in depth.
Speaker 5: But that was great. That was great, all right, cool cool? Yeah, oh,
Speaker 5: thank you very much. Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: That's about it.
Speaker 5: You have a link tree or something with all your
Speaker 5: stuff on I do?
Speaker 2: I do compire that to you?
Speaker 5: Yes, I'll put that in the show links.
Speaker 4: And uh, aren't you supposed to be going on Headless's
Speaker 4: show eventually too soon?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we're supposed to do that last week, but
Speaker 3: we had a little bit of a little bit of
Speaker 3: an issue, so we're postponing.
Speaker 2: We're doing it again. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Oh awesome, man, awesome. I look forward to that.
Speaker 2: Great too, we too.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're gonna talk dreams or what
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about, because I could feel a year's
Speaker 3: worth of content with dreams.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that'd be great for that show. Awesome again,
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, bro. You you really really brought
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 5: A lot to the table, you know, stuff to appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate the I appreciate that you appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Cool.
Speaker 4: Cool, And then real quick, I'll let everybody else replug
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Speaker 5: JJ Vance. Let everybody know where they can find your work.
Speaker 1: Please, JJ Vance.
Speaker 6: Host of Operations GCD, the Vice President plaks again. Nick
Speaker 6: Headle us Ethan always good times, ry, always great conversation.
Speaker 6: Sar really really enjoyed this one. And for your analogy
Speaker 6: with the record, perhaps I can recommend you efforts The
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Speaker 4: Thank you, good Times, Yes very much, Thank you very
Speaker 4: much to Jay and I want to head Less Giant, sir.
Speaker 7: Thank you. So this is a great episode. I love
Speaker 7: talking about time. It's so relevant. If you want to
Speaker 7: send me your weird stories about paranormal about any sort
Speaker 7: of experiences you've had that just don't seem in place
Speaker 7: with the rest of your life, send it to me
Speaker 7: at the Headless shiret podcast at gmail dot com and
Speaker 7: I will read them and me and Nick will go
Speaker 7: over it. So and also, guys, time is something to ponder,
Speaker 7: This is something to experience, you know, I mean, these
Speaker 7: are very important things. Even if we're inside of a simulation,
Speaker 7: you should really review this stuff because it's very important
Speaker 7: to not only you but all the rest of us.
Speaker 7: We can we can find a way through this stuff.
Speaker 7: So let us know.
Speaker 4: Well said yes, and definitely please email him some stuff.
Speaker 5: Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And last week last week.
Speaker 7: Good last week cookie monster, Bigfoot.
Speaker 5: And what was that rainbow trout or something.
Speaker 1: Possibly possibly some wildlife crimes.
Speaker 7: You're going to jail.
Speaker 5: Last week not least ethan indigo, my man.
Speaker 8: Please let everybody know thank you so much for involving
Speaker 8: me with us, and thank you guys for all your ideas. Right,
Speaker 8: that was an epic presentation. I'm on the usual social
Speaker 8: media so I always appreciate communication and thank you for that.
Speaker 5: Of course, and all his links will be on the
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Speaker 4: And that is the end of another recult Rejects and
Speaker 4: until the next one, everybody be well.
Speaker 5: Later