WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:09.080 Kay Shannon, ay Tanya, how are you? 2 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:11.759 I am doing great. How are you today? 3 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:16.199 I'm doing good, good, just getting ready for the cold 4 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:17.359 winter that's a coming. 5 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:20.000 But we had to be a day today here. 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.399 Yead it was I view it was a rusher and high. 7 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:24.600 I think it was like eighty degrees today. 8 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:27.879 Oh my goodness. And it was forecasted for like seventy four. 9 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:32.119 It was hot, it was I was inside most of 10 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:34.600 the day getting stuff done. But it was a good 11 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:35.719 day it was. 12 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.039 And I think now the weather will dip down into 13 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:42.439 our fall temperatures. I like the fall. I like the too. 14 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:44.920 I don't mind, even though you know I do miss 15 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:47.159 a little bit warmer. Today was a little too warm. 16 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:48.920 I don't like it in eighty degrees. I like it 17 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:50.679 at seventy. 18 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.119 Oh my gosh, especially October. Right. 19 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:56.399 I will take an eighty degree October day though, Yeah. 20 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:58.119 No problem. I won't turn it down. 21 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.439 No, I won't turn it down. So which you got 22 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:01.200 for us today? 23 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:01.759 Oh? 24 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:05.840 I got a little story today about a woman named 25 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:10.519 Mary Beth Tinning now Mary Beth Tinning. She was born 26 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:15.920 Mary Beth Rowe Roe on September eleventh, nineteen forty two. 27 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:19.760 In the small town of Dwaynesburg, which is about ten 28 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.319 miles south of Schenectady, New York. 29 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:24.359 That's such a. 30 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:32.840 Cool city spelling and pronunciation Schenectady, Schenectady. You really gotta 31 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:35.560 not have marbles in your mouth when you say it. 32 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:39.480 So. Her mother, she was a stay at home. 33 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:42.560 Mom, and her dad, Alton Rowe, he worked as a 34 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:46.280 press operator at General Electric. And she did have a 35 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:50.159 younger brother and the two had a fairly normal childhood. 36 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:54.680 Now with that being said, Mary Beth did once claim 37 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.000 that her father had abused her as a child. During 38 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:01.599 a police interview in nineteen eighty sive, she told one 39 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:04.879 investigator that her father had beaten her and locked her 40 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:09.520 in a closet, but later during court testimony, she denied 41 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:12.919 that her father had bad intentions. She said, my father 42 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:16.840 hit me with the fly swatter because he had arthritis 43 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:20.719 and his hands were not much use, and when he 44 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:24.039 locked me in my room, I guess he thought I 45 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:29.520 deserved it. So that's her claiman other than that, growing 46 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:33.599 up was normal for Mary Beth. Aside from her good looks, 47 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:36.639 she really wasn't remarkable. 48 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:38.199 She attended high. 49 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:41.879 School where she was an average student, and she really 50 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:44.080 didn't have much else going on for her. 51 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:44.879 Now. 52 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:48.560 While Mary Beth aspired to attend college, it never ended 53 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:53.159 up happening for her. Instead, she began working a variety 54 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:57.439 of low paying jobs that didn't require much schooling, nor 55 00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:59.919 did they allow for much growth to build a future 56 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:00.400 for her. 57 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:02.120 Yeah, some dead on jobs. 58 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:05.080 Yeah, sounds like my twenties. 59 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:12.080 She eventually became a nurse's aide at Ellis Hospital in Schenectady, 60 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:15.439 and while there she was a hard worker, but again, 61 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:19.280 she was just average. Never really went the extra bile, 62 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:24.800 you know, just did enough to just do enough. So 63 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:28.879 in nineteen sixty three, this is when she meets Joe 64 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.840 Tinning on a blind date with some friends. Joe was 65 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:36.319 kind and shy and kept to himself and out of trouble, 66 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:43.960 so together they made the perfect mediocre couple. They married 67 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:47.599 in the spring of nineteen sixty five and seemed to 68 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:51.759 take life as it came, nothing more and nothing less. 69 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:56.159 So one would say that they were a normal, hard 70 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:59.240 working couple trying their best to make a decent and 71 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:00.199 honest living. 72 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:03.000 Nothing much stood out about them. 73 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:07.520 They were no different than the next newlyweds, that is 74 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:09.919 until their kids started dying. 75 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:12.719 Oh, no right now. 76 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:17.480 Barbara Barbara was their first child, and she's born in 77 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:21.639 nineteen sixty seven, just two years after the happy couple 78 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:25.360 was married. And as far as anyone could see, baby 79 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:26.879 Barbara was happy. 80 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:28.319 And so were the Tinnings. 81 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:31.639 From the outside looking in, Mary Beth seemed to be 82 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.120 a good mother, and she could often be seen Dody 83 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:36.920 gun Barbara whenever they were. 84 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:40.480 In public, so it didn't take long for them to 85 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:44.079 begin growing their little family. In nineteen eighty. 86 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:48.879 Seven, their second child, Joseph Junior, was born, and all 87 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:52.839 seemed perfect in the Tinning household. Mary Beth even told 88 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:56.759 friends and family that she planned to have more children. 89 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.319 However, no one could see all the. 90 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:04.600 Problems brewing just beneath the surface, so her and Joe 91 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:09.040 began having problems as Mary Beth would give him a 92 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:13.040 hard time behind closed doors and then poses the perfect 93 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:16.959 wife in front of people. You know, that must have 94 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.040 been something in the sixties, or you know, kind of 95 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.639 look at more so Turner classic movies. Look at those 96 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:27.079 black and whites, See how you know they kids? Art 97 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:31.199 imitates life right, put in a Betty Betty Davis film. 98 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:33.079 See what she says behind closed doors? 99 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:37.160 And then oh, hello, he like years. 100 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:44.920 Little did anyone know that this was just the beginning 101 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:49.079 of what would turn into a full blown killing spree. 102 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:56.319 Oh no, exactly in nineteen seventy one. October of nineteen 103 00:05:56.399 --> 00:06:00.360 seventy one, Mary Beth's father died of a sudden heart attack. 104 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:04.759 Then just two months later, in December, Mary Beth gave 105 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:08.519 birth to her third child, Jennifer. Even with the recent 106 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.639 death of her father, all seemed to be good and 107 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.879 the couple appeared happy. But then just eight days later, 108 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:22.839 Mary Beth brought an unresponsive Jennifer into the local emergency room. Sadly, 109 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:29.279 Jennifer was dead on January third, nineteen seventy two, and 110 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:33.839 after being examined, the doctors ruled that she had died 111 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:37.439 from hemorrhage meningitis in brain abscesses. 112 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.199 Oh really yeah. 113 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:44.439 Dealing with the sudden death of her father and now 114 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:49.839 her daughter was just too much for Marybeth's fragile mental condition. 115 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:54.639 She was never a happy, well adjusted adult to begin with, 116 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:59.959 which didn't help matters. She often referred to as strange 117 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:05.160 by neighbors and family. Mary Beth now has only become 118 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:09.839 more distant and withdrawn with these horrible events. Now the 119 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:13.040 couple had no choice but to return to work so 120 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.240 they could support their two other children. So they were 121 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.720 dealing with the tragedy as best as they could now. 122 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:24.160 Just seventeen days later, on January twentieth, nineteen seventy two, 123 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.720 two year old Joseph Junior was also brought to the 124 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:33.199 emergency room unresponsive. Mary Beth claimed that he had some 125 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.879 type of seizure. He was kept for observation, but when 126 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:40.199 the doctors couldn't find anything wrong with him, they sent 127 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:41.399 him home with Mary Beth. 128 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:42.000 Now. 129 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:45.040 Just a few hours later, Mary Beth returned to the er, 130 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:49.040 except this time Joseph Junior was for sure dead. 131 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:52.040 She had told doctors that she had placed. 132 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:54.959 Him in bed, only to return later and find his 133 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:59.319 blue body tangled in the sheets. He was taking a nap, 134 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:03.120 Mary Bethy told detectives in a later statement, it was 135 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:06.759 close to his birthday and he had slept and taken 136 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.759 a nap, slept unusually long. Unfortunately I did not go 137 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.160 in to check on him, and when I did, he 138 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.279 appeared to be having respiratory problems of which I did 139 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:17.000 not cause. 140 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:23.879 Okay, yusific, you just case on yourself exactly. 141 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:29.319 Yeah, his death was listed as unknown, and there was 142 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:34.039 never an autopsy performed. He died that night from what 143 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:38.919 doctor said was a cardio pulmonary arrest, which means simply 144 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:45.679 he stopped breathing. Really and he's now barely six weeks Yeah, yeah. 145 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:49.639 It's yeah that I don't understand the no autopsy here. 146 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:51.679 Is it? Because it's the seventies. 147 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:55.559 I mean, you just it must be the navete even, 148 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:58.480 you know, like, oh, surely someone's not going to poison 149 00:08:58.519 --> 00:08:59.600 all the title in all. 150 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:03.919 Yeah, right, no, yeah, like okay, this is a little 151 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:05.120 baby like you know. 152 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.320 Yes, not a little baby tragedy. 153 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.159 Yeah, but you know what I right, But yeah, like 154 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:14.519 the age of where people did not take so gross 155 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:21.320 advantage of someone's vulnerability. Right now, barely six weeks later, 156 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:25.039 Mary Beth was back at that same emergency room, this 157 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:30.600 time with her four year old Barbara, who was unresponsive. Jesus, 158 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.039 she told the doctors that Barbara had gone into convulsions. 159 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:38.039 The doctors told Mary Beth they wanted to keep her 160 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:42.159 daughter overnight, but Mary Beth insisted on taking her home, 161 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:46.799 and several hours later, just like the incident with Joseph Junior, 162 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:52.200 she returned with Barbara, who was unconscious. The child later 163 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.759 died in the hospital bed from unknown causes, and when 164 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.360 police asked Mary Beth about this incident years later, she 165 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:01.559 barely remembered it. 166 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:04.559 Really, you don't remember. 167 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:10.120 You don't remember Barbara's, Joseph Junior's or I mean, I 168 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:12.240 guess specifically Barbara's. 169 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:15.799 Yeah, right, I find that to be an untruth. 170 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:21.639 Me too, girl, Yes, so she told investigators the following 171 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.519 I had a daughter while and while I was sleeping, 172 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:27.519 she called out to me, and I went in and 173 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:30.879 she was having a convulsion. I guess I don't even 174 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:34.159 remember what I just I don't remember if we took 175 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:38.120 her by ambulance or if we just took her. But anyway, 176 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:40.960 we got there and they did whatever they did. 177 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:43.000 Really. 178 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:44.799 Yeah, Barbara ended. 179 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:48.639 Up dying from what doctors believed to be Rice syndrome, 180 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:53.200 which is a rare but serious condition causes confusion, dwelling 181 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.200 in the brain, liver damp. However, it was never proven. 182 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.879 And you're right, it's the seventh it's nineteen seventy two. 183 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.879 Yeah, something like that, right, Yeah. 184 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:06.399 M From the outside looking in, things didn't look so 185 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:09.519 great on the tinnings part, however, no one seemed to 186 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.240 suspect them of any wrongdoing. 187 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:13.840 If anything, people thought that their. 188 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.759 Tragic losses may have something to do with a genetic disorder. So, 189 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:24.039 whether it was because of Marybeth's quiet nature, which helped 190 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.919 aid her in her role as a caregiver, or the 191 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:31.480 fact that the Tinnings were seen as pillars in the community, 192 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:36.240 local police and doctors didn't think twice about digging any deeper. 193 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.039 Plus, they no longer had any kids left to kill, 194 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:42.480 so life went on as it does. 195 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.399 Didn't you do a story recently, like in the last 196 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:49.960 month or so where it was children were dying like 197 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:52.919 this and they thought it was a genetic problem. And 198 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:54.600 which story was that? 199 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.840 I don't know, I know, that's I can't remember, but 200 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:02.159 that's like a good place to hide bodies is to 201 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:06.240 imply that it's because my family has a genetic disorder. 202 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:11.559 Yeah, yeah, Like, how do you know in nineteen seventy two. 203 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:16.960 Yes, exactly, this is prime where people are like learning 204 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:21.840 how to take advantage of people's vulnerabilities, and this is 205 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:26.039 what happens fifty years later, the society we live in today. 206 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:30.840 The couple remained without child for more than a year 207 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:35.360 until mary Beth got pregnant again in nineteen seventy three 208 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.399 early nineteen seventy three, and on Thanksgiving Day she gave 209 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:44.120 birth to Timothy, her fourth child, and she brought Timothy 210 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.960 home and it seemed that things were starting to look 211 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:50.120 up after all. Timothy could be the addition to the 212 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.440 family that the Tennings needed more than anything to move 213 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:58.320 on and forward. However, about two weeks after Timothy was born, 214 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:03.240 on December tenth, Mary Beth brought the unresponsive baby into 215 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:04.080 the hospital. 216 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:05.919 While she seemed like she. 217 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:09.799 Was becoming a regular at the emergency center, there always 218 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.679 seemed to be a legitimate and justified reason for what 219 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:14.440 was happening, at least. 220 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:14.960 In her eyes. 221 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:21.360 Right, So yeah, since Timothy showed no outward signs of trauma, 222 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:24.840 Mary Beth claimed she had found him lifeless in the crib. 223 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:28.759 He was ruled the victim of crib death better known 224 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:33.080 as SIDS of such an Infant death syndrome. Now the 225 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:39.600 locals were talking people. Fortunately number four third time is 226 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:44.240 not the term. It's the yeah, the fourth, So they're people, 227 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.759 they're talking. People were curious as to how a family 228 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:49.320 could have such bad look. 229 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:52.039 However, those closest to them. 230 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:55.039 Continued to fully support the Tinnings in their long road 231 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:59.480 of grief. Joe confided in his brother Andy and told 232 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:04.440 him that lately his food had been tasting weird. His 233 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:08.080 brother promptly told him to look into that, but Joe 234 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:09.480 brushed it off as nothing. 235 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:11.399 Oh, it's probably nothing. 236 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:13.399 Yeah, it's nothing. Huh. 237 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.639 Suddenly I feel all of my home food is tasting weird. 238 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:23.879 In nineteen seventy four, Mary Beth called Joe's brother and 239 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.240 said Joe's dead, and when Andy showed up with his 240 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:30.799 wife Carol, Joe was lying on the ground with a 241 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:34.279 bluish purple face and twisted up in the bed sheets, 242 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:37.600 and Mary Beth stood in the corner repeating, I didn't 243 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:37.960 do it. 244 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:41.919 I didn't do it. What these I don't get now. 245 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.720 I'm pissed now, I'm like, fuck, nineteen seventy whatever, use 246 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:46.440 your brains. 247 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:52.759 Okay, come on now, I mean I didn't do it. 248 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:57.840 This is smoking gunshit, you know, so mind you. 249 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:01.480 Mary Beth was fully dressed but hadn't even tried calling 250 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:06.159 the police or ambulance yet. Andy began giving him CPR 251 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:09.639 while an ambulance was called, and once at the hospital, 252 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.679 was discovered that Mary Beth had given Joe a nearly 253 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:15.720 deadly dose of barbituates. 254 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:18.159 The police were called. 255 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:22.360 However, Joe refused to hold his wife accountable. 256 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:23.879 So he survived this. 257 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:29.279 He survived this and was told that she gave him 258 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:31.240 this humongous. 259 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.519 Dose and he was like, you know what, I'm okay. 260 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.720 I'm okay, I don't die, I'm fine. 261 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.240 Yeah, yeah, but did you die? You die? 262 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:44.240 Well the police should have known better and investigated the 263 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:47.840 matter further. Law enforcement at the time was very different 264 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:50.799 than it was today, and back then, if the victim 265 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.080 didn't want or wish to pursue matters, then the police 266 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.440 and prosecutors usually wouldn't either. 267 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:59.120 Yeah, they're like, I'm done. 268 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:04.559 I know when Farah faucet the burning bed. Yes, that 269 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:09.120 story is what changed. I believe the whole will prosecute 270 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:12.919 on behalf of the assaulted. You don't have to worry 271 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.039 about wanting to We'll do it for you. The state 272 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:16.679 takes over. 273 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.159 Yeah, the state takes over. 274 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.200 Mary Beth became pregnant again with what would be her 275 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.679 fifth child on March thirtieth, nineteen seventy five. 276 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:26.879 It was Easter Sunday. 277 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.879 Nathan was born, and as onlookers waited for the next 278 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.879 tragedy to strike, It simply didn't, at least not until 279 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:39.759 September Tewod, when Mary Beth rushed an unresponsive five month 280 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.720 old Nathan into the emergency room. She claimed that she 281 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:46.639 was driving with Nathan in the front seat when he 282 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:52.360 suddenly stopped breathing. Unfortunately, the doctors weren't unable to revive 283 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:56.559 him again. The fact that there was no outward trauma 284 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:02.159 visible coupled with Marybeth's story, the doctors ruled him as 285 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:03.639 a victim of SIDS. 286 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:09.920 Wow, the fifth child, Mmm, this is it is It's insane. 287 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:11.039 Fifth child. 288 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.759 It's just this is criminal that they're really even for 289 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:19.640 It's criminal for the decade. Yeah, it's really like they're 290 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:22.200 just failing these children. 291 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:25.799 This is it's for sure now, I know. 292 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:29.920 The knowledge of SIDS was still scarce in this day 293 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:33.799 and age. However, doctors should have at least known that 294 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:38.079 it wasn't something that was genetic. Therefore, the odds of 295 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.960 multiple babies dying from it and the same family was 296 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:46.119 not only rare, but would have been the direct result 297 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.559 of neglect or premeditation. 298 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:55.279 That's how non genetic SIDS is. It's nothing like genetic. 299 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:56.119 It's not. 300 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:57.839 Yeah, therefore, the odds. 301 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:02.079 Of having multiple babies from this same family, that's not Jeans, 302 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:07.160 that's premeditation, that's something that's not Jens. So but still, 303 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:11.240 no serious questions had been raised by local officials regarding 304 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:15.319 the Tinning family or lack thereof. So years had gone 305 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.400 by and anyone who may have had any kind of 306 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:23.400 real suspicions about the Tinning family was soon forgotten. Even 307 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:27.000 the people who were responsible for advocating on the behalf 308 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:30.920 of the children of New York failed to investigate Marybeth's 309 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.319 background when she applied to adopt a child. 310 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:36.759 No Yes. 311 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:42.240 In nineteen seventy eight, the Tinnings entered into the adoption process, 312 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:46.759 which isn't much different than it is today. Interested parties 313 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:50.119 were required to submit a background check by the state, 314 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:54.559 which included a complete examination of the adoptee's criminal and 315 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:59.440 financial records. Since neither Mary Beth or Joe had a 316 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:03.960 criminal une record and both were gainfully employed, they easily 317 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:09.160 passed the first round of the adoption process. Wow, so funny, 318 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:12.279 I was born in New York, right, yeah? And whether 319 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:16.799 until Cuomo Governor Cuomo when he said that seals could 320 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:20.720 be opened and that's how I found everybody. 321 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.279 My sisters and my brother, and that's how. 322 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:30.119 But the process is so different, so different, I think 323 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:34.559 about it, and like them having no criminal record, is 324 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:37.319 that I can see them passing the first round. 325 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:40.440 Just anybody, ken if you meet those two things. 326 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:43.920 Yeah, right right, Yeah, there's there's millions of people in 327 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:47.039 this country that don't criminal records. So okay, not. 328 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:48.640 Really a red flag here. 329 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:53.759 But a social worker went then interviewed the couple and 330 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.400 visited their home to make sure that it was suitable 331 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:59.400 for a child, and the Tintings also passed this part 332 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:00.000 of the process. 333 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:00.480 US. 334 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.519 Now, while the death of her five children should have 335 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:08.759 been a huge red flag, Mary Beth assured the social 336 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:12.200 worker that they were all due to natural causes and 337 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:14.720 that she had the doctor's records. 338 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:14.839 To prove it. 339 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.400 M you know, this is a lot of like yeah, 340 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:19.519 I can get them to you later type of time 341 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.000 period too, or just take my word for. 342 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:25.880 It, right right, yeah, Like oh they seem like such 343 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:26.680 a nice people. 344 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:27.880 Yeah, And she. 345 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:30.440 Said she had the doctors to prove it. I'm sure 346 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.200 she had worked on her story. She's got Yeah. 347 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:35.920 If she says she's got them, she. 348 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:38.319 Must she must why would she lie to me? 349 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:39.200 Would? 350 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:44.680 Why children? Right? So, Mary Beth explained that while they 351 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:45.839 wanted nothing. 352 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.279 More than to have children, she believed that something was 353 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:51.640 wrong with her and Joe, which prevented this from happening 354 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:55.759 for them. She ended by saying that she thought it 355 00:20:55.839 --> 00:21:00.599 was wiser and safer to go through the adoption route charmer. 356 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:05.200 Her words seemed to resonate just enough a boring couple 357 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:08.720 could eat well, she could, you know, get the waves 358 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.359 needed to charm, you know, get people to do what 359 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.000 you want now. The state of New York agreed to 360 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.039 allow the Tinnings to adapt, and in nineteen seventy eight, 361 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.680 the couple welcome an infant boy, whom they named Michael, 362 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:22.480 into the world. 363 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:24.200 And wouldn't you. 364 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:28.599 Know it, During the adoption process, Mary Beth found herself 365 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:33.960 pregnant once again. On October twenty ninth, nineteen seventy eight, 366 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:37.000 she gave birth to a baby girl named Mary Francis. 367 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:43.920 Oh I do love two memes. People actually started to 368 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:47.200 believe that maybe this was the beginning of the Tinnings 369 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:52.000 having their perfect family, but they would be wrong, because 370 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:56.559 in January nineteen seventy nine, Mary Beth brought an unresponsive 371 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.519 Mary Francis into the emergency room for what she said, 372 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:05.000 with some kind of seizure. Thankfully, the doctors were able 373 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.039 to revive the baby girl, who they then sent home 374 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:12.000 with Mary Beth. But one month later, on February twentieth, 375 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.559 Mary Beth came running back into the hospital with four 376 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:19.440 month old Mary Francis. This time the doctors were not 377 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:24.319 able to save her. She was brain dead. I know, 378 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:28.079 of course. All Mary Beth had to say for herself 379 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.440 was that she found the baby girl unconscious and did 380 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:35.160 not know what had happened to her. What happened And 381 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:36.680 this is a broken record. 382 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:40.640 Yes, I'm sure doctors have put notes in. This is 383 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:41.920 now number six. 384 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:45.759 Yes, so you have six serial killer. 385 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:51.200 Man previous exactly cases. There is really nothing to say. 386 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.160 She told investigators years later that I found her in 387 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:56.640 her crib, one responsive. 388 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:59.039 I believe Joe was there, I can't remember. 389 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:03.119 An autopsy was performed but failed to find a reason 390 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.720 for death, and therefore it deemed SIDS once again. So 391 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:13.720 on November nineteenth, nineteen seventy nine, the Tinnings welcomed Jonathan 392 00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:18.559 into their family, their eighth child. In March nineteen eighty, 393 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.680 he was brought into the hospital in the same fashion 394 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:26.640 as his siblings, were unresponsive. Like Mary Francis, the doctors 395 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:29.039 were able to revive him, but this time they took 396 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:36.200 into consideration the Tinnings history and took extra precautions. So finally, yes, 397 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:41.319 on maybe eight. The healthcare professionals were concerned about all 398 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:44.000 the deaths in the Tinning family, but still thought that 399 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:46.279 maybe it was genetically related. 400 00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:47.559 God, we were. 401 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:51.440