Speaker 1: This is pod popular podcasts for the people. The Great
Speaker 1: Love Debate. It's the Great Love Debate, the Great Love Debate.
Speaker 2: It's a great love debate. Hi, you guys. So I
Speaker 2: don't do too many reruns. I don't do too many revisits.
Speaker 2: But there's something I wanted to I want to revisit
Speaker 2: that I did about a year ago. So if you
Speaker 2: hear a reference on this podcast twenty twenty three, I'm
Speaker 2: recording this in twenty twenty four, so if you're listening
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, you're about a year after I
Speaker 2: recorded this. But I could take this episode and repurpose
Speaker 2: it using artificial intelligence, and a lot of people are
Speaker 2: doing that with podcasts, which drives me nuts. Like the
Speaker 2: part of the best part of podcasting is the intimate
Speaker 2: relationship between the host and the listeners. And I don't
Speaker 2: understand that. I don't understand where people just do a
Speaker 2: bunch of episodes and then turn that into two hundred more.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's some advantages into repurposing a different languages,
Speaker 2: but doing it as a podcaster, I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Doing it is dating.
Speaker 1: Eh.
Speaker 2: I want to revisit the episode I did about this
Speaker 2: because It's come up a lot. It continues to evolve.
Speaker 2: The conversation continues to go deeper on what is the
Speaker 2: meaning of technology when it comes to dating. So we
Speaker 2: are going to revisit an episode I did about a
Speaker 2: year ago. I hope you still enjoy it. If you've
Speaker 2: listened to it before, you're gonna enjoy it again. So
Speaker 2: take some notes and enjoy this show. It's a great
Speaker 2: love to hi again. Everyone is Brian Howie. Welcome to
Speaker 2: The Great Love Debate, the world's number one dating and
Speaker 2: a Relationship podcast since twenty and fifteen. I am here
Speaker 2: in the very fine studios of pod Popular Podcasts for
Speaker 2: the people. I am at the one in Boca Raton, Florida.
Speaker 2: It's what they call the season here in Florida. If
Speaker 2: you've been to you can make fun of Florida all
Speaker 2: you want, But if you're in Florida during the right time,
Speaker 2: Florida wins a lot of those times. I just got
Speaker 2: to say, so today's one of those times. So if
Speaker 2: you've been to Vegas recently, not to pivot from Florida
Speaker 2: to Vegas, but as we record this, and as I
Speaker 2: recorded this, it's the fourth quarter of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: So if you're just coming aboard and you're listening to
Speaker 2: this in the spring of twenty twenty seven, welcome, catch up,
Speaker 2: Try to keep up, go back and listen everything, try
Speaker 2: and get there. But if you've been to Vegas recently,
Speaker 2: you'll notice a new attraction that's dotting the skyline. And
Speaker 2: now I think it's actually the dominant attraction that is
Speaker 2: dotting the skyline there. So for years, I think the
Speaker 2: thing that caught your eye if you flew into Vegas
Speaker 2: or drove in Vegas was the Stratosphere at the north
Speaker 2: end of the Strip. And you can think what you
Speaker 2: want about that is crappy architecture or a hotel or
Speaker 2: as a tower, but it did dominate the landscape when
Speaker 2: you were into town, no matter how you arrived into town.
Speaker 2: And then I think the Luxor kind of did that.
Speaker 2: The unique shape of it and the beam at the top.
Speaker 2: You could see it from really far. You couldn't miss it,
Speaker 2: even if it's a hotel that you probably don't want
Speaker 2: to stay at. No shout out to the Luxor I
Speaker 2: met a couple years ago. The link the ferris Wheel
Speaker 2: popped up, and lots of cities have sort of those
Speaker 2: giant ferris wheels now, and I do like them. I
Speaker 2: don't like to ride them. I'll get into that in
Speaker 2: a minute, but as a landmark, they're cool to look at.
Speaker 2: Whether you're talking about the one in Seattle or the
Speaker 2: one on the Santa Monica Pier or the London Eye.
Speaker 2: You know, London's a thousand years old, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, this modern ferris wheel is the thing that
Speaker 2: you notice. But if you've been to Vegas recently, you've
Speaker 2: definitely seen the sphere. It's definitely noticeable, this death star
Speaker 2: of a giant ball, the structure that is rising up
Speaker 2: just east of the Venetian And I was in Vegas
Speaker 2: a lot during the last three or four years. I
Speaker 2: spent a ton of COVID days in Vegas as this
Speaker 2: thing was being built, and it seemingly took forever because
Speaker 2: construction delayed and whatever. And it really looked like the
Speaker 2: Death Star in Star Wars being constructed. And most of
Speaker 2: the time as it was being built, you're wondering what
Speaker 2: is this and what will it be, and what will
Speaker 2: it look like when it's finished, what is the purpose
Speaker 2: and function of this giant orb And now that it's open,
Speaker 2: we have some answers. And it's not just a fifteen
Speaker 2: seventeen thousand seat performance venue, which it is. It's this
Speaker 2: spectacle of LED screens that can transport you anywhere in
Speaker 2: the world or pretty much anywhere in the universe and
Speaker 2: give you this galactic experience. Whether it's a concert or
Speaker 2: an opera or a a theater show, it really has
Speaker 2: this ability to transport you and to make you believe
Speaker 2: you are somewhere at a certain time. So you're like,
Speaker 2: why do I bring this up up? And why is
Speaker 2: this big giant ball of LED screens relevant to love
Speaker 2: dating relationships? Well, I got an email from a loyal listener, Jason,
Speaker 2: so thank you for listening, and he sent me an
Speaker 2: article on the subject of AI and particularly about AI girlfriends,
Speaker 2: and he asked my thoughts on it. And I happened
Speaker 2: to give this email while I was in shouting distance
Speaker 2: of the Sphere in Vegas, and I thought, I can
Speaker 2: go in the sphere and see a concert and the
Speaker 2: technology of that concert and this structure will make it
Speaker 2: look and sound and feel literally feel if you've been
Speaker 2: in this thing like that concert was taking place on
Speaker 2: a Tahitian beach. They had the ability to make inside
Speaker 2: feel like outside, and outside could be inside. And this
Speaker 2: AIVR combo platter will stimulate and I guess trick the
Speaker 2: senses in experiencing pretty much anything and everything that the
Speaker 2: performer or the promoters want you to. So, for those
Speaker 2: of you who've listened to this podcast for a while,
Speaker 2: not you newbies in twenty twenty seven, but those of
Speaker 2: you've been for a while back in the very very
Speaker 2: early days, maybe was in like the first fifteen or
Speaker 2: twenty episodes of this show, we had on our friend
Speaker 2: doctor Drew, and we also had him on our stage,
Speaker 2: and he said this at the time. A couple of
Speaker 2: times every time we talked to Drew about the state
Speaker 2: of the date, he would say this, and I always
Speaker 2: remember this, and I always reference this, And he felt
Speaker 2: that the coming storm for relationships and for the love universe,
Speaker 2: which we are a very tall small part of, was
Speaker 2: that sometime in the pretty near future, you were going
Speaker 2: to be able to put on a helmet dial up
Speaker 2: somebody who looks like, I don't know, whatever your flavor is,
Speaker 2: justin Timberlake or Jennifer Aniston, and some virtual version of
Speaker 2: them was going to talk to you and interact with
Speaker 2: you and give you a reasonably satisfying and borderline sexually
Speaker 2: rewarding experience, and maybe not even borderline, depending on your
Speaker 2: settings on this thing. And maybe it wouldn't even be
Speaker 2: somebody famous. It might be a picture of someone you
Speaker 2: had a crush on, who you know from Instagram, or
Speaker 2: the girl from biology class or the guy from accounting.
Speaker 2: Doctor Drews told us this back in twenty fifteen, that
Speaker 2: you were going to be able to feed in this
Speaker 2: image of them that you grabbed off the interwebs, and
Speaker 2: suddenly this avatar was going to be someone or something
Speaker 2: that you were suddenly on some level involved with. And
Speaker 2: I remember when he said that, I thought, yikes, I
Speaker 2: think I can see that happening. You know, if Tom
Speaker 2: Hanks can get into a relationship with a volleyball and castaway,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure there's all sorts of possibilities if you're
Speaker 2: lonely enough or fed up enough. And I would always
Speaker 2: repeat what Drew said at our live shows. I would
Speaker 2: sort of warn the audience. I'd do this all over
Speaker 2: the world, sort of to ramp up the urgency that
Speaker 2: we'd better figure out real life dating, because if we
Speaker 2: didn't this storm was coming. So I think the storm
Speaker 2: is here. I think it's come ashore at least the
Speaker 2: outer bands of the hurricane. And so what does it
Speaker 2: mean and what do I think about it? As you
Speaker 2: guys know me, I have some thoughts on it, and
Speaker 2: there might not be the thoughts you think, but we
Speaker 2: are going to get into some of those thoughts and
Speaker 2: a lot more. We're and dive deep into the eye
Speaker 2: of all all of it right after this, and we
Speaker 2: are back real me. This is the real me, you know,
Speaker 2: the coming uh the way they're using AI in podcasting
Speaker 2: now and in the future. As if I if I
Speaker 2: tell you, if I read an ad for something and
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, you guys, this is you know, go
Speaker 2: to San Diego, Subaru and I do it once, They're
Speaker 2: gonna be able to take me reading an ad once
Speaker 2: and chop it up a thousand different ways with my
Speaker 2: voice and my inflection to have it be whatever location
Speaker 2: you're in, and you're gonna hear that. So this is me.
Speaker 2: I don't think you replicate my personality gratefully, but on
Speaker 2: stuff like that, there's a purpose for it. So anyway,
Speaker 2: let me talk about this this AI thing. And I'm
Speaker 2: not instantly like oh my god, it's terrible. Part of
Speaker 2: me thinks like maybe there is a purpose here, so
Speaker 2: let me let me get in first of all, too
Speaker 2: like could this work? Or how realistic is this? Well
Speaker 2: I am, despite my love for looking at Ferris wheels,
Speaker 2: I am absolutely afraid of heights. I do not want
Speaker 2: to drive a for a bridge. I do not want
Speaker 2: to be in an airplane. Although I am a lot,
Speaker 2: I don't want to go on your balcony. I don't
Speaker 2: want anything. I have a real fear of heights and
Speaker 2: about I don't know. Seven eight years ago, I was
Speaker 2: at some I was at Disneyland and they have this
Speaker 2: virtual reality ride. I don't even know it's still there.
Speaker 2: It's called Soaring over California. And you put this helmet
Speaker 2: on and you were strapped into a chair, and it
Speaker 2: made you believe that you were hang gliding, like soaring
Speaker 2: along the coastline down, you know, through Monterey and Big
Speaker 2: Sir and all the way down the coast, that you
Speaker 2: were somehow soaring over the coast of California. And I
Speaker 2: could not convince my brain the entire time that I'm
Speaker 2: strapped in this chair two inches off the ground that
Speaker 2: it wasn't real. The same fear of heights was going
Speaker 2: on the whole time. I couldn't wait to get off
Speaker 2: this ride. I could not make my brain separate the
Speaker 2: fact that this was not real, you know. So I
Speaker 2: think about that now, and if you are able to
Speaker 2: take away some of the the worry and the pain
Speaker 2: and the bad parts of dating again, this is qualified.
Speaker 2: We're good in all of this. It's never going to
Speaker 2: be better, so get that. But I'm talking about how
Speaker 2: realistic is it and how it really affects everything. So
Speaker 2: if you're able to create a scenario where the person
Speaker 2: you are talking to, this AI version of your dream
Speaker 2: girl or fantasy guy, is gonna respond to you when
Speaker 2: you want them to respond to you, and they're gonna
Speaker 2: interact with them the way you want to interact with them,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna say good morning, good night, I love you,
Speaker 2: I miss you, all of the things that you are
Speaker 2: out there in the world trying to find somebody to
Speaker 2: say to you every single day. I'm not so sure
Speaker 2: that it's not better. I'm not so sure that it
Speaker 2: doesn't have a place, and I'm not so sure that
Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't gonna make it as a
Speaker 2: choice because yeah, it's not better, but for some people
Speaker 2: the juice isn't worth the squeeze and they just want
Speaker 2: to stabilize their emotions. So if you're in a situation
Speaker 2: where you have been hurt, hurt hurt, or rejected, rejected, rejected,
Speaker 2: or somebody just isn't even answering you, And a big
Speaker 2: challenge with dating in the twenty twenties is that people
Speaker 2: just don't respond. You could be online swiping and messaging
Speaker 2: for hours, days, months and not even get a response.
Speaker 2: And to not being able to take that fundamental step
Speaker 2: and have that level of control in trying to make
Speaker 2: a connection with somebody, I can see how frustrating that is.
Speaker 2: And many many people we've been all we're all sort
Speaker 2: of societally awkward, and we're self centered, and we're introverted,
Speaker 2: and we're just not as good at fundamental human interactions
Speaker 2: as we used to be. So if somebody's going to
Speaker 2: be like God, that seems so real and that person
Speaker 2: is going to you know, you got a roombo vacuuming
Speaker 2: your floor, you have no problem with that. But if
Speaker 2: you have somebody or something I don't even know what
Speaker 2: to refer to. This AI person as and an intelligent
Speaker 2: artificial version of some not just physically what they look like,
Speaker 2: but they're giving you the needs that you want. No
Speaker 2: offense to dogs and dog lovers out there, it's a
Speaker 2: lot of what we're getting out of our pets. We
Speaker 2: are imagining a relationship that maybe that pet doesn't have
Speaker 2: with you. Maybe they're licking you and barking you and
Speaker 2: coming to you for an entirely different set of reasons.
Speaker 2: Then you think, but it doesn't matter, because all you
Speaker 2: really care about is what you're getting back and what
Speaker 2: the outcome is and this perceived relationship that you have
Speaker 2: with your animal. And so those types of feelings, I
Speaker 2: think they can be translated, for better or worse, to
Speaker 2: something that isn't real. There's a lot of people in
Speaker 2: actual relationships who are pretending that that actual relationship is
Speaker 2: something that it's really not. So is it that big
Speaker 2: of a leap to dial up a girl who is
Speaker 2: going to give you in terms of attention and affection
Speaker 2: and compliments and stimulation and everything. If you're just going
Speaker 2: to create one rather than going out in the world
Speaker 2: and not being able to find her and feeling hurt
Speaker 2: by her or whatever. For the tenth time, it's not
Speaker 2: going to be better. But in this gamified society that
Speaker 2: we live in, you know, the reason why especially men
Speaker 2: are so hooked on video games is they understand that
Speaker 2: if they do certain things and they put in certain
Speaker 2: data and they make certain moves, that they're going to
Speaker 2: be rewarded by winning that game. And there's a reason
Speaker 2: why so many men are addicted to porn that they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can just dial up whatever nudity of whatever my
Speaker 2: fetish or flavor is, and I can get that. So
Speaker 2: if you're combining the two things, if you're combining sort
Speaker 2: of video games and nudity, I could see if you
Speaker 2: just want to be me, to be honest and no
Speaker 2: judgment for people, I could see how that would have
Speaker 2: not just a little appeal, a lot of appeal. You're
Speaker 2: not spending that much of money, you're not spending that
Speaker 2: much down emotional time, and you're taking a lot of
Speaker 2: the risk and a lot of the pitfalls out of dating.
Speaker 2: So is there is there a way that you could,
Speaker 2: at least in terms of getting out of a bad
Speaker 2: relationship or getting over some heart break or whatever, have
Speaker 2: an artificial partner to make you get your confidence back.
Speaker 2: I think so. But that's where the danger lies is
Speaker 2: because at what point are you like, oh I'm good here,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go, you know. I mean, these
Speaker 2: aren't mannequins. We're talking about what was that movie with
Speaker 2: them with Ryan Gosling back in the day, Lars and
Speaker 2: the Real Girl whatever. He kind of fell in love
Speaker 2: with the mannequin. And this isn't a volleyball either. These
Speaker 2: are things that are going to understand your personality and
Speaker 2: give you the kind of feedback that you're going to
Speaker 2: give and a lot of a relationship is built upon feedback.
Speaker 2: Am I getting? I love you too? Am I getting pleased?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Am I getting you had? How is your day?
Speaker 2: Are you getting? And so if you're able to program
Speaker 2: these things in, I mean that is the coming storm.
Speaker 2: You know that maybe that is the end of the
Speaker 2: human race. You know, people thought that the artificial intelligence
Speaker 2: was so dangerous because it would be like in the
Speaker 2: movies and the robots would attack us, they would physically
Speaker 2: attack us. I'm not sure that's it. I think the
Speaker 2: way it's gonna really I'll say, hinder society. Mean, it's
Speaker 2: gonna stop the breeding because people aren't gonna go on
Speaker 2: to be in the same room as each other. They
Speaker 2: can get ninety percent of the experience with one hundred
Speaker 2: percent less of the risk and the downfall. A lot
Speaker 2: of people are gonna choose that. If you're a fifteen
Speaker 2: year old boy in high school right now, you are
Speaker 2: not gonna want to rejection or the money, or you
Speaker 2: just gonna choose this, and you're gonna say, oh, it's
Speaker 2: not as good, it's not as good, But he doesn't
Speaker 2: know it's not as good. If you've never had the
Speaker 2: real version of whoever your fantasy is, you're not missing
Speaker 2: you don't feel you're missing out on anything. You're gonna
Speaker 2: be like, this is amazing, this is a great experience.
Speaker 2: You go to that concert inside the sphere that I
Speaker 2: talked about before, and maybe you've never been to the
Speaker 2: beaches in Thailand, but if you look up at in
Speaker 2: the arena of what this is, you're like, this is awesome.
Speaker 2: It's good enough. If you don't know the real thing,
Speaker 2: all you know is this is risk free. This is
Speaker 2: an avenue I can go down. And this is something
Speaker 2: that a lot of people are doing right now. They
Speaker 2: are figuring out artificial versions of what their fantasies are
Speaker 2: because they don't believe the fantasy can ever become a reality.
Speaker 2: And women are doing this too, and so is it scary. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting here trying to advocate for it. I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here trying to tell you guys that I get it.
Speaker 2: I can see the appeal, and I don't think people
Speaker 2: are crazy who are going down this road and looking
Speaker 2: for some sort of stimuli that's going to satisfy a
Speaker 2: part of them and isn't getting satisfied any other way.
Speaker 2: So the scary part is that it's going there's going
Speaker 2: to be a point where the technology gets so good
Speaker 2: and so realistic and so emotionally satisfying that people really
Speaker 2: are going to the parachute on real dating and they're
Speaker 2: gonna be like, this is fucking fine, and I got
Speaker 2: a whole lot more. Guy's gonna be like, I got
Speaker 2: a whole lot more money in my pocket and I
Speaker 2: don't have to sit there staring at a phone that's
Speaker 2: never gonna ring and waiting for her to message me back.
Speaker 2: And the girl's gonna be like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: don't get my heart broken. He's not a dick, is whatever.
Speaker 2: And you're going to be able to be tricked the
Speaker 2: way the Disneyland ride tricked me. I could not convince
Speaker 2: myself it wasn't real. And I think that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: And I think we're there now, you know, and we
Speaker 2: are at this very very early stages of it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty three the actors and actresses and writers
Speaker 2: in Hollywood all went on strike because they're worried that
Speaker 2: a lot of them were going to be replaced by
Speaker 2: by AI. And I got news for you, A lot
Speaker 2: of them are. A lot of it is replica, replicable, replicable, replicatable.
Speaker 2: You can right now type in like fifteen different things
Speaker 2: and get a Hallmark Christmas movie scripts bat out to
Speaker 2: you in fifteen seconds because those beats are always the same,
Speaker 2: and the technology is there to replace the writer. So
Speaker 2: if you could do the same thing, and those those
Speaker 2: Hallmark Christmas movies that they run every single night, starting
Speaker 2: and starting at like I don't know, Columbus day, they're
Speaker 2: always emotionally satisfying for the viewer. Well, if you can
Speaker 2: do the same thing, and you're now the star of
Speaker 2: the Hallmark movie, and this AI is gonna spit out
Speaker 2: a version of your life that is gonna be emotionally
Speaker 2: and possibly even physically satisfying enough for you. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure you're going to the bars. I'm not sure you're
Speaker 2: going to the dating sites. I'm not sure you're gonna
Speaker 2: ask your friends and hook you up. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: any of this is so I'm not bringing this up
Speaker 2: as a doomsday warning. That was what we said back
Speaker 2: in the day, and that's what doctor Drew said to us.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, I can see why. I can
Speaker 2: see the short term benefit. I can see there could
Speaker 2: be some healing to doing something like this. The danger
Speaker 2: is if this becomes the norm, if the artificial intelligence
Speaker 2: or the virtual reality becomes the actual reality, and the
Speaker 2: artificial becomes real and this is what flips and everybody's
Speaker 2: doing it, which might happen. We are all connected to
Speaker 2: a device. You know, You're not just turn on your
Speaker 2: phone to make a call. You turn on your phone
Speaker 2: to listen to me. You're turning your phone to take
Speaker 2: a picture, You're turning your phone into this this this Well,
Speaker 2: maybe you're turning on your phone to say how to
Speaker 2: your girlfriend, and your girlfriend is in your phone. Your
Speaker 2: girlfriend is your phone I can see it, So if
Speaker 2: you want my thoughts on it, I think we're here.
Speaker 2: I think it's only going to be more of a presence.
Speaker 2: I think you need to do the work emotionally and
Speaker 2: otherwise so this does not become either the crutch or
Speaker 2: the off ramp to a real dating life. I think
Speaker 2: you have to always think about what can this thing
Speaker 2: not provide to me? No offense? Do you artificial intelligence? Listeners?
Speaker 2: Didn't mean to call you a thing, but you know
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at. I think you have to take
Speaker 2: the inventory now on like what exactly do I want
Speaker 2: out of a relationship? If you just want cuddling, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, those mannequins are pretty lifelike too.
Speaker 2: A lot of people really just want the body pillar,
Speaker 2: a lot of people want the dog. And you have
Speaker 2: to really take emotional stock of like what would my
Speaker 2: best relationship work look like? And then I think you'll
Speaker 2: see that isn't something that can be artificially replicated. It
Speaker 2: is not something that can exist in a virtual, uniform universe.
Speaker 2: And I think you have to focus on that. I
Speaker 2: think you have to continuously keep your eye on the
Speaker 2: prize when it comes to this stuff. But your term, Like,
Speaker 2: I think it is a reality, whether you're going in
Speaker 2: and seeing a concert with ten million little led lights
Speaker 2: that are going to transport you and your brain and
Speaker 2: your date somewhere where you probably never imagine you could be,
Speaker 2: or if it's somebody having a conversation with you, which
Speaker 2: probably happens a lot where you don't even know if
Speaker 2: it's real. We've all been in customer service chats now
Speaker 2: and a lot of times we think we're talking to
Speaker 2: a guy named Robert and it's a robot. It's a bot,
Speaker 2: and we can't tell the difference. And this is only
Speaker 2: going to become more perfected and it's going to become
Speaker 2: more real, and I think that is scary. But bottom
Speaker 2: line here, I'm just doing this episode to say I
Speaker 2: think I get it, and I think that if you think, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm somebody who would never be involved with something like this,
Speaker 2: or I could never see a scenario where this had
Speaker 2: appealed to me, I think there's a lot of scenario
Speaker 2: right now in your life where this has appealed to
Speaker 2: you and you're not even aware of it. You know,
Speaker 2: I walk by a retail store before the mannequins are
Speaker 2: good looking. Now they have the technology now, they're very lifelike.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's better, I'm saying I get it.
Speaker 2: So shoot me an email if you have thoughts on this,
Speaker 2: or if you're currently dating somebody who is virtual. I
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