Speaker 1: Welcome to the Nightmare USA podcast. Using Steven Thrower's tone
Speaker 1: as our map, join us as we explore the underbelly
Speaker 1: of America, one regional horror film at a time. I'm Adam,
Speaker 1: I'm sim In our fourth episode, we're checking our sense
Speaker 1: of reality at the door as we enter the fairytale
Speaker 1: world of George Berry and his phantasmagorical creation Deathbed, The
Speaker 1: Bed That Eats. Typically, I would start out the episode
Speaker 1: with some sort of introduction I've written, but after watching
Speaker 1: this film and staring at a blank page for about
Speaker 1: a week, I decided to just let Stephen Thrower do
Speaker 1: the talking here and his intro to his chapter on Deathbed,
Speaker 1: Thrower writes, George Berry's bizarre and beguiling Deathbed is a
Speaker 1: fairytale horror store, merging surreal humor, private poetry, and a
Speaker 1: blithe disregard for the essential strangeness of its own ideas.
Speaker 1: Rough around the edges, off and away in its own world.
Speaker 1: It's a precious slice of low budget madness that reminds
Speaker 1: us what we've lost in the current over polished and
Speaker 1: creatively impoverished horror genre. Thurrow wrote these words sometime between
Speaker 1: two thousand and one and two thousand and seven Sam
Speaker 1: Twenty years later, has anything changed in the horror landscape.
Speaker 1: We've had a time of what's been described as elevated horror.
Speaker 1: But does a Deathbed remain as singular of a film
Speaker 1: today as it did fifty years.
Speaker 2: Ago, if not even more? This is one of the
Speaker 2: movies I always try to get people to watch. This
Speaker 2: is why I'm very excited that you watched it. It's
Speaker 2: such if you hear the title, you're like, well, this
Speaker 2: is going to be like a trauma movie or like,
Speaker 2: you know, a sub micro budget streaming movie with a
Speaker 2: title like that, and it's and to be confronted with
Speaker 2: a movie that has aspirations to being I guess an
Speaker 2: elevator horror movie and being an art movie without being
Speaker 2: the cheesy aspects of that. It's a surprising film, Like
Speaker 2: there's a it's way deeper than it has any right
Speaker 2: to be. And that's what I love about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had not seen this before I watched it
Speaker 1: last week, and that was my preconceived notion, I guess
Speaker 1: was that, you know, is this gonna be silly? This morning?
Speaker 1: I watched Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, for example. Ah,
Speaker 1: and so that was kind of the thing that I
Speaker 1: was thinking it was gonna be, like in a silly,
Speaker 1: spoofy sort of thing. It is not.
Speaker 2: It is no.
Speaker 1: I mean it has some comedic moments for sure. Watching it,
Speaker 1: I thought, is this gothic? And then yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: I said, well, wait, maybe it's more like a fairy tale.
Speaker 1: Is this folk horror? It's all of these things.
Speaker 2: Really, it's like a hippie movie. It's a regional movie.
Speaker 2: It does have some funny moments in it. I mean
Speaker 2: a bed gets up to a bismol because it's sick
Speaker 2: at one point, which is one of my favorite moments
Speaker 2: in the movie.
Speaker 1: That's one of my notes. I have the bed drinking
Speaker 1: peptobysmal dead emoji I put in because it just floored me.
Speaker 2: But it also has like the scene where it's actually
Speaker 2: eating and you see the wine pouring out underwater and
Speaker 2: like chicken floating, and and then the piece is rising
Speaker 2: back up to the bed. It's like surprisingly effective. And
Speaker 2: then it has such a weird, deep like art side
Speaker 2: to it, with like there's August despair drawing on the
Speaker 2: wall at one point, and even the origin of the
Speaker 2: bed ties in to different artists. It's a confounding movie.
Speaker 2: And I was so excited that I got to be
Speaker 2: friends with George Barry briefly, like right before he died.
Speaker 1: And uh, you got me in that article, that's right,
Speaker 1: And I mean I devoured it like the like the
Speaker 1: bed devoured that chicken leg. You know, this is great and.
Speaker 2: He would like he, uh, this is the only movie
Speaker 2: he ever did. He actually ran a bookstore in Again
Speaker 2: for a long time and he sent me I actually
Speaker 2: have it on my coffee table, a book of horror
Speaker 2: movie posters that he thought I would like and just
Speaker 2: was like A loved movies. And in the interview, like
Speaker 2: I was so excited because I always think about who
Speaker 2: was the audience for Andy Milligan when Andy Milligan was
Speaker 2: actually making movies, and it was George Barry. He said
Speaker 2: he would drive across state lines to Ohio if he
Speaker 2: saw a drive in that was playing Butt Thirsty. Butcher's
Speaker 2: is the one he caught out to me, and he
Speaker 2: said like he looked everywhere for it and then when
Speaker 2: he found it, because I always think like in that time,
Speaker 2: were there people like us obsessed about these movies? And
Speaker 2: he made me feel good he said, yes, there was,
Speaker 2: like I had a whole group of people that we
Speaker 2: hunted down anything weird and tried to see at the theater.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that part of that interview. That's what
Speaker 1: leapt out to me. Whenever, you know, he said you
Speaker 1: were watching Andy Milligan and he goes off on the
Speaker 1: story of oh, going out to find Andy Milligan as
Speaker 1: someone who did not discover Andy Milligan into the last
Speaker 1: five years or so, and for you know, Milligan was
Speaker 1: kind of this figure of you know, I watch him,
Speaker 1: everyone says he's bad, you know, or the movies are bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very negative. And then as soon as I watched one,
Speaker 1: and the first one I watched was A House of Seven.
Speaker 3: Bells, which is a weird place to start.
Speaker 1: With Milligan probably, and we'll get more into Milligan later
Speaker 1: because I know Blood for sure is in this book,
Speaker 1: which is a film I absolutely love. Yeah, but just like,
Speaker 1: what a time to be out there hunting for drive
Speaker 1: ins that are showing Andy Milligan films first run Andy Milligan.
Speaker 2: I'd love to have been there and did not know,
Speaker 2: Like there's no internet to connect people or to like
Speaker 2: collect this info, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 2: in this info exists either in print, if then and
Speaker 2: then within people's heads. And that's what I'm obsessed with.
Speaker 2: We talk a lot on the Driving Asylund show that
Speaker 2: we do off we look at a lot of the ads.
Speaker 2: What would it be like if you went to a theater,
Speaker 2: Like some of the stuff we want from the early
Speaker 2: sixties was still playing in Driving until like eighty five
Speaker 2: eighty six, And it's like you might see a brand
Speaker 2: new first run movie and you might see a regional
Speaker 2: movie that has played a million times under like a
Speaker 2: completely different title. Like in Detroit, Messiah Evil played as
Speaker 2: dead people and it played as a return of the
Speaker 2: living Dead. I'm sure I said that title wrong. Bill
Speaker 2: come back and hit me for it, but like it played,
Speaker 2: and and you know, right when Don came out, they
Speaker 2: even had a whole poster campaign that look just like
Speaker 2: Don for Messiah of Evil. And I can't imagine if
Speaker 2: you're going thinking you're going to see another Dawn of
Speaker 2: the Dead and you get Messiah Evil, which is a
Speaker 2: completely different tonal shift. It's the same thing as this,
Speaker 2: Like if you came into this movie thinking you're going
Speaker 2: to get a goofy horror movie, you're getting something more.
Speaker 2: And that's what I love you know, I mean like
Speaker 2: it's like unexpected of what you're getting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think Messiah of Evil is a good
Speaker 1: comparison film for Deathbed because it is so different from
Speaker 1: what you would expect, and it does have you know,
Speaker 1: mass Evil another film that we'll get into because that's
Speaker 1: in the book, but you know, it has those gothic undertones.
Speaker 1: In that case, it's the gothic of the California Gothic
Speaker 1: of you know, people going out west and the rush
Speaker 1: and such. But so I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: where to start with this movie. Where do you want
Speaker 1: to start?
Speaker 2: So I originally found this movie. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I got one of the bootlegs or not. Because the
Speaker 2: amazing thing is like George Berry made this in the seventies.
Speaker 2: It came out in seven.
Speaker 1: Seventy seven, is to copyright date right, Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: did like about four years of post production on it.
Speaker 2: And then it can't Originally he wanted to find out
Speaker 2: when the VHS boom happened, he was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: maybe I could recoup some of the money from Deathbed
Speaker 2: finally the thirty grand that I spent on it myself.
Speaker 2: So he had met with a distributor and they said, well,
Speaker 2: you need to put professional titles on it, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of cost this amount of money, and he was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, there's I'm already thirty grand down. I
Speaker 2: don't want to put another time, and I think it
Speaker 2: was about ten grand, which is a ton today, much
Speaker 2: less then I'm gonna put ten grand down to do
Speaker 2: titles and then maybe finding a distributor that screws me over.
Speaker 2: So he said no. That company kept the film bootlegged
Speaker 2: it as Portland Films release it only in the UK
Speaker 2: and overseas, but somehow a copy ended up in a
Speaker 2: Uni Mart, which is a like a seven to eleven
Speaker 2: kind of chain around Pittsburgh, and that's where I first
Speaker 2: saw it because it was on the shelf. And I
Speaker 2: would always wrint movies. A lot of folks I'd ran
Speaker 2: in movies with were like nascent mister science theater kids
Speaker 2: right where they were love to make fun of movies
Speaker 2: and you know, stuff out during them, and I'm I
Speaker 2: do that sometimes, but I also like love these movies
Speaker 2: and I'm very defensive of them. So seeing that movie
Speaker 2: and seeing it for the first time is like, this
Speaker 2: movie is so strange and so wonderful, like I don't
Speaker 2: want anyone talking over it, like I don't want someone
Speaker 2: to destroy it, and it just always stuck in my head.
Speaker 2: And then you know, I wrote about it on the site,
Speaker 2: and then one day I just got an email from
Speaker 2: George Barry's like, hey, thanks for watching the movie. Glad
Speaker 2: you liked it. I'm like, oh my god, I have
Speaker 2: to talk to this person. So I said, oh, would
Speaker 2: you be one to do an interview? He say, how
Speaker 2: about tomorrow? And I was like yeah, like mind blowing.
Speaker 2: And then next thing I know, I'm on the phone
Speaker 2: talking to the guy and I'm getting to ask all
Speaker 2: these questions about you know, Deathbed. What's amazing to me
Speaker 2: is like this was shot in the same woods as
Speaker 2: Within the Woods, the original sixteen milimeter version of Evil Dead,
Speaker 2: so like they weren't far apart from each other, and
Speaker 2: it was really around the same time some of this
Speaker 2: was being filmed. So the personal connection I have to it,
Speaker 2: beyond getting to meet George is the Guardwood mansion that's
Speaker 2: in it. My father in law had died like the
Speaker 2: year that I watched this the first time, and I
Speaker 2: was obsessed with the Gardwood manor because Gardwood Mansion. He
Speaker 2: actually did security there because my father in law had
Speaker 2: a wildlife. He did a lot of security for rock
Speaker 2: bands and biker gangs and stuff. And the Garwood Mansion
Speaker 2: where this is filmed was owned by the guy who
Speaker 2: invented the modern garbage truck, Garwood, and he was incredibly
Speaker 2: rich and he decided to stop working and be a
Speaker 2: speedboat racer. So he built this giant mansion on you know,
Speaker 2: out on Lake Michigan, and it was so big. He
Speaker 2: hated his wife and they had a child together. They
Speaker 2: had made the house so big that they would never
Speaker 2: have to see each other, and the child was taken
Speaker 2: through tunnels under the house by servants, and whenever both
Speaker 2: his parents died, Garwood's son was like, I don't want
Speaker 2: anything to do with that house and let it fall
Speaker 2: into disrepair. So by the time that Georgia and the
Speaker 2: film the rest of the crew got there, they were
Speaker 2: allowed to shoot there because the owners thought they were
Speaker 2: shooting a porn movie there with because they had the
Speaker 2: bed and everything, and they're like, oh yeah, do whatever
Speaker 2: you want, like destroy the house, because they wanted to
Speaker 2: make the property such a nuisance that it would get
Speaker 2: condemned and they would be able to not have to
Speaker 2: pay the back taxes on it.
Speaker 1: So one thing I've loved about maybe all of the
Speaker 1: movies that we've talked about so far, is are these
Speaker 1: settings of yeah, don't go in the house at the
Speaker 1: Strauss Mansion and the crazies when they're the house at
Speaker 1: the beginning that burn what I can't remember what the
Speaker 1: was there a store behind that house or was they
Speaker 1: just were they just burning something? And then yeah, I
Speaker 1: uh and I drink your blood? Had that hotel that
Speaker 1: they stand in that again they were like here three
Speaker 1: like we're destroying this anyway, give us three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: and just go crazy and destroy for us. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So for all of these these movies, and that's one
Speaker 1: thing about the regional horror that you get that maybe
Speaker 1: you wouldn't get so much on the Hollywood set or
Speaker 1: these just wonderful locations that are already dilapidated. They're they're
Speaker 1: probably want to be torn down anyway, and so we're
Speaker 1: gonna let these filmmakers just have at it and maybe
Speaker 1: they'll do our job for us.
Speaker 2: What's amazing because where the Garwood Mansion is is like
Speaker 2: a really rich section of Detroit and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: imagine there's this giant mansion that no one's in and
Speaker 2: like Joe Cocker played there, Van Morrison, tons of bands
Speaker 2: played there, and it had at the time the largest
Speaker 2: pipe organ and not in a church in the US,
Speaker 2: and it was still in working order. But George said
Speaker 2: when they shot there they actually spliced into the line
Speaker 2: from the power lines and didn't even check to see
Speaker 2: if they could and the power kept going out. So
Speaker 2: then when the you know, the owners of the house came,
Speaker 2: he was like, well, this is it. We're getting thrown out.
Speaker 2: Luckily we got most of the footage and there like, oh,
Speaker 2: keep filming. If you want to destroy some stuff, if
Speaker 2: you want to break some things, go ahead. It wasn't
Speaker 2: until like a really big biker party there that there
Speaker 2: was actually a lightning storm and a fire and that
Speaker 2: destroyed most of the house. Now this is all, you know,
Speaker 2: beautiful property that's been sold and broken up. So that's
Speaker 2: I think, like you said, of seeing these places that
Speaker 2: are beautiful or falling into disrepair within these movies, they're
Speaker 2: not anymore. They were there when this was filmed. So
Speaker 2: these movies, especially the regionals, become like a document of
Speaker 2: these places that we'll completely differ now have become homogenized,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Versus in the same
Speaker 2: way that films are, and now we have this as
Speaker 2: like this little time capsule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of the films they'll have locations that
Speaker 1: you can still visit and some are no longer with us,
Speaker 1: I guess, so you know, that is what it is.
Speaker 2: My friend Joe Rude actually stayed overnight in the house
Speaker 2: room Don't Go in the Basement, and he did a
Speaker 2: documentary about it called Don't and it's like seventeen minutes
Speaker 2: of him walk around the house in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night. It's terrifying. It's frightening because it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, the stuff from the film, but like the
Speaker 2: people that were there, they're like, oh yeah, do whatever.
Speaker 2: I think a movie was made here. And he's like
Speaker 2: trying not to get fan boyish, but he's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, is it okay if I stick around a film?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do whatever you want? Like these sites are.
Speaker 2: I was think about Monrobial Mall. There's people that go
Speaker 2: there every day to work and it's just this drone
Speaker 2: place and there's people that go there and are staring
Speaker 2: at everything like do you know what I mean, like
Speaker 2: mumbling to themselves like just in awe that they're in
Speaker 2: this church of horror movies and I love that, Like
Speaker 2: locations can be both these things to people.
Speaker 1: I'd love don't go in the basement. Is that in
Speaker 1: this book? I know in their SF Brown Rigg movie
Speaker 1: that's in this book? I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Maybe my friend Bred did the book Taxis Schlock, which
Speaker 2: is has a ton about brown rig in it, and
Speaker 2: he actually worked with brown rig for a while, so
Speaker 2: like it's, uh, I'm fascinated by his movie. Same as
Speaker 2: like this is what I love. Like why people don't
Speaker 2: get his movies or Andy Milligan is like they come
Speaker 2: to them expecting a traditional horror movie, and like Andy
Speaker 2: Milligan's movies are mostly about people that hate each other,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, they might be vampires and they might be werewolves,
Speaker 2: but they're really just a family that wants to kill
Speaker 2: each other. Like they're just angry and yelling and it's
Speaker 2: just the It's what it's like going to a dysfunctional
Speaker 2: family Christmas, but everybody is super nap.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think that's cathodic for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the Mother's so horrible. Okay, yeah, I can relate
Speaker 1: to this, and now I don't have to do with
Speaker 1: it in real life. I can just see it on
Speaker 1: the movie and have a release from that and be fine.
Speaker 2: I also love that, like sometimes in Ny Melgan movies,
Speaker 2: we're asked to believe that it's the eighteen hundreds, but
Speaker 2: we can see traffic like modern traffic and hear car
Speaker 2: horns and do you know what I mean? And it's like,
Speaker 2: oh right, It's like these movies encourage make believe, which
Speaker 2: is that's what I love about them, versus like a
Speaker 2: modern movie where everything is glossy and cleaned up. And uh,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it because I watched I found watch
Speaker 2: back Rooms last night and I didn't hate it, but
Speaker 2: like I was, it's fine. It's you know, it's got
Speaker 2: some cool shots, it's got some coitias, but it's all
Speaker 2: stuff that existed previously on the internet, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like these creepypastas, it's fine. Like Messia
Speaker 2: of Evil is like a liminal space movie to me
Speaker 2: that it feels and like in a location that can
Speaker 2: exist but also shouldn't exist, Like with all the paintings
Speaker 2: in the room. And this movie is too like why
Speaker 2: do people just roll into this mansion and they're like, wow,
Speaker 2: there's like this canopy bed and this fireplace and all
Speaker 2: these paintings, Like all right, no, we should just sit
Speaker 2: down in this bed and have a picnic. Like I
Speaker 2: love the decisions in this movie. I'm interested to see what.
Speaker 1: You I mean. I just let I have not stopped
Speaker 1: thinking about it, and for really look now, and I've
Speaker 1: just absolutely loved it. And like I said, only I'm
Speaker 1: just adjectives have come around and be singular. You know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing else really out there like it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: read the letterbox synopsis because in the letterbox synopsis is
Speaker 1: sometimes are very inaccurate.
Speaker 2: This one TV Guide synopsis when it's like horror movie
Speaker 2: a bet eats.
Speaker 1: People, right, this one sums it up, okay, And well
Speaker 1: the tagline and I don't know if this movie had
Speaker 1: a real tagline or if this was retrofitted, but it says,
Speaker 1: if you want to survive, don't go near the bed.
Speaker 1: Even that didn't help you. We'll get into that, I guess.
Speaker 1: But the bed will get you even if you're not
Speaker 1: near it. But in a one room stone building near
Speaker 1: a dilapidated mansion. A demon has condemned an artist to
Speaker 1: living behind a painting in a state of limbo, forcing
Speaker 1: him to watch in vain as trespassers lives are taken
Speaker 1: by a ravenous bed. I think that sums it up
Speaker 1: pretty good the plot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like if you told me, hey, you're gonna
Speaker 2: love this movie about aesthetic artist Aubrey Beardsley, who is
Speaker 2: a real person who was trappy eye of painting because
Speaker 2: a demon had rough sex with a girl and kilder
Speaker 2: and it can't get over it. Okay, I give me that.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Aubrey Beardsley since you brought it. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: whenever I was watching this film, I did not have
Speaker 1: any sort of recollection or cognizant idea of this artist
Speaker 1: being a real person. Yeah, it was an artist. You know.
Speaker 1: There were some paintings or or I guess they aren't paintings,
Speaker 1: but they are illustrations that are on the wall of
Speaker 1: this room in which this artist is trapped behind. So
Speaker 1: he's able to kind of like a one way mirror fashion.
Speaker 1: He can see out into the room and no one
Speaker 1: can see that he's trapped behind the wall, and so
Speaker 1: I said, well, I wonder if that's based on anyone.
Speaker 1: And so then when I was reading the chapter in
Speaker 1: Mirror USA, it talks about Aubrey Beardsley, who was someone
Speaker 1: I had never heard of before.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: So my daughter is she has a degree in art
Speaker 1: history and she just graduated. She has a art history
Speaker 1: in English, and she's my art historian. I try to
Speaker 1: get my money's worth from the college expenses I paid
Speaker 1: for her. If the world is not going to give
Speaker 1: her money, I can't give her money, but maybe she
Speaker 1: can give me some knowledge. So I asked her, I said,
Speaker 1: do you know this artist Aubrey Beardsley And she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was in the Art Nouveaux, and you know, he
Speaker 1: was British and he was hanging out with Oscar Wild
Speaker 1: and he was kind of like to Lusila Trek with
Speaker 1: that crew. But he made a print. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite illustrated prints of all time is his work for
Speaker 1: salom the Oscar Wild Play. She knew a lot about
Speaker 1: him to me, but she was like, why did why him?
Speaker 1: You know, like he's not as far as you know,
Speaker 1: especially Art Nouveau. You know, he's no tellusla trek or anything.
Speaker 1: You know, he's is he kind of obscure. He died young,
Speaker 1: so he didn't have a huge body of work. He
Speaker 1: was twenty five when he died of consumption. First of all,
Speaker 1: she said, why are you asking me this anyway? I said, oh, well,
Speaker 1: do you know the movie Deathbed? The Bed that Heat?
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, I sure don't. And she said,
Speaker 1: but if you're talking about deathbed, Oscar Wilde has one
Speaker 1: of the most famous deathbed quotes when he's on his
Speaker 1: deathbed and he looks around and he said, either these
Speaker 1: drapes go or I do, and then he died. So
Speaker 1: it's like me, you know, maybe that would be a movie.
Speaker 1: But Oscar Wilde on his.
Speaker 2: Deathbed, Oscar Wilde said that Beardsley had a face like
Speaker 2: a silver hatchet and grass green hair, and when he wrote.
Speaker 1: Think that's true. I want to see a color picture
Speaker 1: of this. Is this like, is there another movie with
Speaker 1: a kid with green hair?
Speaker 2: With oh the Boy or something? Yeah? Yeah. Also about
Speaker 2: supposedly he dated his sister for a long time and
Speaker 2: they had a child together that was silborn.
Speaker 1: This Mayriment is England, so yeah, there's you know, that's
Speaker 1: that may be too far even for England. A cousin,
Speaker 1: it's fine, you know, my sister may be going too
Speaker 1: far to keep it.
Speaker 2: What's wild though, It's like line all the way up
Speaker 2: until nineteen sixty six a gallery in London got raided
Speaker 2: for exhibiting his artwork, like you know, forty years after
Speaker 2: he died, so like.
Speaker 1: Well, they their censorship in England as also crazy, of course, but.
Speaker 2: I had explained the Ninja Turtles not being called Ninja
Speaker 2: Turtles in England because the word ninja is not allowed
Speaker 2: to be used nor in nunchucks, so they're called teenage
Speaker 2: Mutant hero Turtles and they've re recorded every episode. They
Speaker 2: also had to reanimate the one that has Mike that
Speaker 2: has the nunchucks. Uh, so he doesn't have those, he
Speaker 2: has no weapon in the uh in the British versions
Speaker 2: of Ninja Turtles, which feels insane, but I guess all
Speaker 2: the Bruce Lee movies were also not allowed to be
Speaker 2: shown either because they were too violent. Okay, because it's
Speaker 2: easier to get nunchucks than a gun in England. So yeah,
Speaker 2: England's a strange place. Forget what else?
Speaker 1: Had another thought about Beardsley, Well, why Why? Did we
Speaker 1: find out why he used him? In the chapter, Durer
Speaker 1: kind of asks him why beards Lee, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe the actor just kind of looked
Speaker 1: like him. He didn't really have a good answer. Did
Speaker 1: you find anything about why?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I really artist?
Speaker 2: I really wish I could ask him. I know he
Speaker 2: was really into art Nouveau's stuff though, and that a
Speaker 2: lot of the books and stuff we were talked about
Speaker 2: was that era of artwork. So I'm wondering if he
Speaker 2: just knew this artist and it would be easier. Here's
Speaker 2: what I like about it today is that, like you said, well,
Speaker 2: obviously this isn't a real artist, and then you find
Speaker 2: out that it is, and you also find out that
Speaker 2: the strange life that this guy lived was makes sense
Speaker 2: to be in this also, like a couple two months
Speaker 2: before he died, he converted to Catholicism and asked for
Speaker 2: all his work to be destroyed because it was so sexual,
Speaker 2: and he made two of his friends promise not to
Speaker 2: sell any of his art, and of course they did.
Speaker 2: They sold. They sold it like crazy after he died
Speaker 2: and didn't listen to him, So that sure, he feels
Speaker 2: like someone that could be cursed or haunted, especially dying
Speaker 2: young and being part of a movement. But like you said,
Speaker 2: not being done to soil Tracker, Oscar Wad or any
Speaker 2: of these other characters, Like he's not going to show
Speaker 2: up in uh in a movie, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like or being the lyrics lady.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's the biopic Beardsley biopic?
Speaker 2: This is as close as we're ever going to get,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: And one thing about that art New Boom movement is
Speaker 1: how commercialized it kind of became because the artists can
Speaker 1: actually sell their work in their lifetime. It was it
Speaker 1: was a way that you could actually make a living
Speaker 1: being an artist.
Speaker 2: And you'll still find like that stuff if you got
Speaker 2: to like Michael's or you know what good Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: always like mc mutua kind of prints or like that
Speaker 2: look of stuff, and it's it's that's like, you know,
Speaker 2: oh my first house, what do I buy? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? I go to Home Goods and I
Speaker 2: get this thing that I get a sign that says
Speaker 2: live laugh, watch movies. I don't know what mine would
Speaker 2: say if I write, I don't know death bed.
Speaker 1: So there are some Christian speaking of Catholicism, which we
Speaker 1: talk about every episode too, because well, there's just so
Speaker 1: much that horror films take from Catholicism for their movie.
Speaker 1: And this isn't necessarily Catholicism, but just kind of like
Speaker 1: Christian totems that are in the movie, and that I
Speaker 1: didn't really think about until I read the chapter, and
Speaker 1: there really highlights this is that those the typical Christian
Speaker 1: totems that are used in films, like the cross or
Speaker 1: crucifix necklace, the Bible itself and it has no effect
Speaker 1: on the bed. So there's one character who you know,
Speaker 1: lays down on the bed and actually the bed starts
Speaker 1: using that necklace to you know, kind of slit her throat.
Speaker 1: And when the whenever the cross goes into the bed,
Speaker 1: you're gonna think, oh, it's gonna spit it out, something's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and you know, nothing, it does nothing. It
Speaker 1: affects it in no way, or the entire Bible goes
Speaker 1: into the bed nothing yet it doesn't hurt it. Like
Speaker 1: in most horror films the monster would be repulsed or
Speaker 1: weakened by that object and not here. It's it's just
Speaker 1: an object, no special power.
Speaker 2: It's also amazing how many people find their way to
Speaker 2: the bed within the movie, like you would think in
Speaker 2: the location it's at, and like you know, it would
Speaker 2: be really hard for the bed to wear people there. No,
Speaker 2: it does it all the time. Like it it even
Speaker 2: needs a suitcase at one point, like it pulls that
Speaker 2: whole suitcase into it. It needs it. Like it's very
Speaker 2: efficient in the way that it uses stuff to break down. Also,
Speaker 2: I love I want to just make a mixtape of
Speaker 2: just the moments of stuff being eaten within the bed,
Speaker 2: like where we see that bubbling liquid is stuff falls
Speaker 2: into it, especially like when the blood comes out. It
Speaker 2: ends up looking like a shoegaze album cover like in
Speaker 2: My Buddy at Valentine album cover. Sometimes and I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's what I like about this movie. It's a good
Speaker 2: like background movie to on look up and see some
Speaker 2: of these images.
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna talk about a playlist, because
Speaker 1: we talked about it, you know, the Lynn Lowry playlist.
Speaker 1: Do you have a top bed playlist?
Speaker 2: I need to come up with one.
Speaker 1: I have one song and okay, Barbara Mandrel Sleeping single
Speaker 1: in a double Bed, that's it.
Speaker 2: Oh when you Sleep by My Buddy Valentine. That's what
Speaker 2: I'll use for it, like a good, like forty five
Speaker 2: minute long, droning shoegaze remix of it while we watch
Speaker 2: people have picnics and then get eaten by a bit.
Speaker 1: Another thing I thought about though, speaking of those scenes,
Speaker 1: was a movie that you know I love and I
Speaker 1: know that you love and no one else does his head,
Speaker 1: The Monkeys movie. Yeah, yeah, it had those psychedelic scenes
Speaker 1: with the when the food or the people go down
Speaker 1: and it. Yeah, the song the Monkey song that plays
Speaker 1: all the scenes of the movie's porpoise songs, and maybe
Speaker 1: we could, Yeah, I could. I could put them on
Speaker 1: and put the movie on and see kind of it
Speaker 1: syncs up, kind of like a Pink Floyd Wizard of
Speaker 1: Oz sort of.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love this idea. I'm gonna you know what
Speaker 2: this feels like from now on. I think we should
Speaker 2: both come in with like a couple of picks and
Speaker 2: we'll put like a Spotify list out for the movie.
Speaker 2: I know people get ust like you guys using Spotify,
Speaker 2: but it's just the easiest way to put songs together. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll do it a little playlist for this. I think
Speaker 2: I would probably put the end of Knights in White
Speaker 2: Satin to like the spoken word part where it's like
Speaker 2: breathed deep, the gathering gloom. That feels like it could
Speaker 2: play over a lot of this movie.
Speaker 1: So would you describe this movie as folkre? You know,
Speaker 1: I think that was a big thing we had. We
Speaker 1: had and then now, yeah, is this frror?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. It's like if you told me that
Speaker 2: this was an actual legend of a bed that ate,
Speaker 2: I would believe you because it feels like if this
Speaker 2: movie was made today and you know, for like the
Speaker 2: obsession back rooms kind of audience, they would go crazy.
Speaker 2: They'd be like, oh my god. Like, So it definitely
Speaker 2: feels like there's some folk core issue to it. Well,
Speaker 2: especially when you get in, start to get in real
Speaker 2: people and start to get in uh like real stories.
Speaker 2: I also love just the scene came up in the
Speaker 2: background where the woman reading the old woman reading the
Speaker 2: newspaper in bed and it just says oral lesbians for
Speaker 2: the newspaper? What newspapers?
Speaker 1: Grandmother was that?
Speaker 2: Did you read this? It's the grandmother of one of
Speaker 2: the guys in it, Dave Marsha's grandmother. Yeah. Dave marsh
Speaker 2: who plays the artist in this who's supposed to look
Speaker 2: like maybe perhaps Yeah, and he was actually a writer
Speaker 2: for Cream I don't know if you saw this. And
Speaker 2: he's credited with coming up with the term punk rock.
Speaker 2: So uh, that's wild that he's in this movie too.
Speaker 2: I love when it's like what really? But yeah? Also
Speaker 2: I like I like some of these scenes where I
Speaker 2: think one of Barry's real skills is we don't always
Speaker 2: The bed eats people in different ways. My favorite one
Speaker 2: is when and that girl gets onto the bed and
Speaker 2: takes off the braces on her legs and then we
Speaker 2: just eat bubbles faller at the edge of the bed,
Speaker 2: and it's just like, you know, at this point we've
Speaker 2: seen enough bed eating that we can just we know
Speaker 2: what's happening and we can just hear it and see
Speaker 2: the bubbles and and it works out. Would you say?
Speaker 2: I would say yes to folk wors and the thief
Speaker 2: note is not based on I'm sure that we'll get
Speaker 2: someone from a noted folk wore expert will send an
Speaker 2: email and be like, hey, guys, no, only it's like
Speaker 2: the people that are the jolly Uh, they can only
Speaker 2: make jelly in Italy. No movie not made in Italy
Speaker 2: can be jolly and I'm like, well, there's all these
Speaker 2: Spanish ones. Those aren't you all? And I'm like, but
Speaker 2: yeah they are, and right, no they're not.
Speaker 1: Look anytime there's a movie, a movie that has sticks and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, or yeah that's there's uh, we're walking
Speaker 2: under the trees, it feels like fall. It's folk corr big.
Speaker 2: Now they're like, it's like fever dream and folk horror
Speaker 2: just the go to words, right, Like if you put
Speaker 2: those on, people like, oh, I'll watch it.
Speaker 1: The beds are destroyed. I mean she has a pile
Speaker 1: of a pile of sticks in one end. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the fire fire is another. Oh yes, it's just every
Speaker 1: movie we've had had fire in it.
Speaker 2: Now is this a folk horror podcast?
Speaker 1: Maybe? What have we done the Hammer podcast?
Speaker 2: Well, every Hammer movie has to end with a building
Speaker 2: burning down.
Speaker 1: The best ones for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh those and the best Corman ones have the same
Speaker 2: shot from the terror of the house burning down. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, why should we burn another house when we
Speaker 2: already filmed it once? Today movies only end with a
Speaker 2: girl smoking a cigarette in front of a structure on
Speaker 2: fire after she's destroyed the patriarchy, Like ready, or not
Speaker 2: ends that way. There was like eight movies that came
Speaker 2: out that year that all had the same ending, and
Speaker 2: I was like, cool, I mean, I'm all for it,
Speaker 2: but it's like, did everybody get in a room together
Speaker 2: and be like, you know what, how we should end
Speaker 2: these movies. I'm sure Carmack got everybody together and is like,
Speaker 2: we got this shot of a building on fire, that's
Speaker 2: how the movie ends. And I saw it in a
Speaker 2: Hammer movie. Just do it.
Speaker 1: So one thing I learned is that only once in
Speaker 1: every ten years does a demon sleep. That's that said
Speaker 1: in this movie, and the size are always filled with
Speaker 1: blood and apparently that was a George Berry's eyes as
Speaker 1: the deed. Oh wow, what I read?
Speaker 2: I learned from the Son of Satan comic book that
Speaker 2: the only night the Devil sleeps is Christmas Eve, and
Speaker 2: I always thought, is it kicks? I read that when
Speaker 2: I was like five, and I was like, well, tonight's
Speaker 2: a safe night. Being a Catholic kid, right, Tonight's safe night.
Speaker 2: The devil sleeping on Christmas Eve? Why would he sleep
Speaker 2: on that night? I guess maybe he's like, Tomorrow's going
Speaker 2: to be a really rough day. I got to just
Speaker 2: sleep then get some get a nap now before these
Speaker 2: families start fighting and invoking my name.
Speaker 1: I love there's things about this movie that I love
Speaker 1: in any movie. One is kind of a vignette style
Speaker 1: that we have here. We get breakfast and then we
Speaker 1: get dinner or lunch and dinner. I can't remember exactly
Speaker 1: what the title cards say, but it's broken up until
Speaker 1: you have one that first couple who come in with
Speaker 1: the chicken. The bucket of chicken. That's breakfast, and then
Speaker 1: I guess lunch is our main story of our three
Speaker 1: ladies who were put together. We don't know why. And
Speaker 1: apparently some of that got edited out or never filmed.
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one. Yeah, it didn't make it.
Speaker 1: There was some story on how they ended up together,
Speaker 1: but it really doesn't make any sense why they are together.
Speaker 2: I like the dinner part with Sharon's brother where his
Speaker 2: hands get the vowed and he just has the skeletal fingers.
Speaker 2: That's why this is a fairy tale he kind of
Speaker 2: movie to me, because it's like, certainly nobody would be
Speaker 2: able to be able to just sit there and have
Speaker 2: their hands be scouted hands.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and it's just very sad it's not like
Speaker 1: he's not in pain or he's just like, oh, I
Speaker 1: have to sign the pictures.
Speaker 2: Skeleton And that's the picture on the wall over here
Speaker 2: is just the dude with skeleton hands. And he wrote
Speaker 2: a note on it for me because he knew how
Speaker 2: much I like that scenes. I'm like, it's so beautiful,
Speaker 2: and he's like, we I'll send you a picture so
Speaker 2: and he also sent me the remake too, which I
Speaker 2: haven't watched because I don't want to say.
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know there was a remake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one made in early two thousands. There's
Speaker 2: also the release too. The first release of this was
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, the one that has Stephen Thrower's band
Speaker 2: playing on it. It'sychlobe did all the new music for
Speaker 2: the movie in that version. That was the film's actual
Speaker 2: theatrical premiere was in two thousand and three, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: Another thing I like in movies or day for night scenes.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of this, but actually it's is it
Speaker 1: day for night or is it neither day nor night.
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell what time of day it is,
Speaker 1: and the only way that we know are those inner
Speaker 1: titles that say if it's breakfast store, if it's the lunch,
Speaker 1: or if it's dinner, because it doesn't we can't tell
Speaker 1: about we can't trust the sun or the lighting.
Speaker 2: That's another Messiah evil tie to this, where there's times
Speaker 2: in that movie you're like, certainly it's at night, Like no,
Speaker 2: it's four, it's five in the morning. Right where are
Speaker 2: we at? Like why are all these people in this house?
Speaker 2: This movie has a lot of that same stuff, And
Speaker 2: like I'm watching the poker playing scene right now, and
Speaker 2: it's like it's purple out. It could it could be anytime.
Speaker 2: It's over a space e liminal space. Yes.
Speaker 1: My favorite death in this is I guess Diane who
Speaker 1: is She gets partially eaten and escapes and she crawls
Speaker 1: is for like five minutes. She crawls after trying to
Speaker 1: crawl out of the building and she gets all the
Speaker 1: way out and then the sheet comes in. It wraps
Speaker 1: around her and pulls her back in. Oh.
Speaker 2: I also like the mobster guy whose cigar slowly sinks
Speaker 2: down into just gel or whatever it is at that point.
Speaker 1: Is that when beards leaves like I haven't had a
Speaker 1: cigarette in sixty years, he kind of gets to experience
Speaker 1: some of the leftovers. Yeah, the bed has the all
Speaker 1: the jewelry he's wearing all the rings, and each every
Speaker 1: ring tells a story, as I.
Speaker 2: Say, Yeah, and then you get to see a lot
Speaker 2: of his art after that in the scene some of
Speaker 2: his pen and in stuff is.
Speaker 1: All black and white, so it's illustrations. He was did
Speaker 1: a lot of caricatures or kind of in the grotesque
Speaker 1: way of art, of exaggerations and things that was interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I love that, Like after we see
Speaker 2: these this is why you can tell this is an
Speaker 2: art movie. Cuts to like a pen floating away in
Speaker 2: the in the belly of this and then him like
Speaker 2: having consumption on the bed, and it's like this really
Speaker 2: dark shot. I always say the difference between art house
Speaker 2: and grindhouses where you saw where you saw this, Like
Speaker 2: this movie has pretensions toward art, but it's definitely more
Speaker 2: on the grindhouse side of things. Like there wouldn't be
Speaker 2: a girl disrobing on the bed for no reason if
Speaker 2: this was a full art movie, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like we have to at least one person
Speaker 2: has to get naked, Come on, guys, Like that's so
Speaker 2: that happens the funniest thing to me is that George
Speaker 2: finding out that this movie that people had seen. This
Speaker 2: movie is like he was on movie forums online, like
Speaker 2: trying to find a movie he had seen on like
Speaker 2: Turner Classic Movies overnight and he just didn't get the
Speaker 2: name of it. So he was trying to type it
Speaker 2: in all the stuff for it, and then he found
Speaker 2: this forum where people were talking about films they found
Speaker 2: and somebody was talking about his movie and I'm like,
Speaker 2: he said, it was like being in a dream where
Speaker 2: he was like, wait, that's sounds a lot like the
Speaker 2: movie that I filmed that never came out. And he's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's every plot point like there's no way.
Speaker 2: And then it mentioned his name, so he's like, I
Speaker 2: wrote to the guy right away, and the guy got
Speaker 2: back to me pretty quickly. He was in France, and
Speaker 2: he was like, that's when he found out the whole
Speaker 2: story behind like what and he said, you know what, Like,
Speaker 2: I wasn't even mad. I was just happy that finally
Speaker 2: somebody saw it. It just didn't belong to me anymore
Speaker 2: that like somebody the other people out in the world
Speaker 2: had seen it and were talking about it. And he's, uh,
Speaker 2: they His wife actually told me that when he died,
Speaker 2: they founded me he was in front of the computer
Speaker 2: looking up movies. He had a heart attack watching movies
Speaker 2: and on two B and uh and looking up stuff.
Speaker 1: I know, right, And when I heard was watching Rat
Speaker 1: Scratch Fever again on Oh my God, and died.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make Riverside good nuts now here. I love
Speaker 2: Rat Scratch Fever so much. I can't even tell you
Speaker 2: how much I love that movie. Like it's the there's
Speaker 2: not a lot of difference between the regional films Recovery
Speaker 2: and SV to me, because they're both insane, and that
Speaker 2: movie is like not afraid to just go crazy. And
Speaker 2: you're like, is it really going to have a rat
Speaker 2: eat its way through a woman, like into her brain
Speaker 2: but starting between her like of course it is like
Speaker 2: it's red stretch, Like, oh my god, it's so good.
Speaker 2: My good.
Speaker 1: Riverside has acquiesced to our style because this the last
Speaker 1: episode was almost two hours long.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I asked it, what the suggestions you have and they
Speaker 1: didn't have any. They're like, this is who you are,
Speaker 1: just I understand.
Speaker 2: So well, it's funny with us. The drive in that
Speaker 2: we go to is called the Riverside. So Bill texted
Speaker 2: me last night after listening to the show and he
Speaker 2: was like, who from the Riverside was so rude to
Speaker 2: tell you not to talk about creep Show two? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's the program that helps do the show.
Speaker 2: And he goes, oh, because you guys can talk about
Speaker 2: creep Show two all you want.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, try to talk about creep Show two
Speaker 1: right now, because I watched creep Show two this week
Speaker 1: because talking about it so much, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to watch it. And in our segment what
Speaker 1: about this movie reminded you of Creep Show too a
Speaker 1: moment because the raft that last girl gets sucked into
Speaker 1: the blobb thing, but her she kind of pops back
Speaker 1: up as a skeleton, and that made me think of
Speaker 1: the guy who his hands were a skeleton. So you see,
Speaker 1: we can make we can make every movie about Creep
Speaker 1: Show to you.
Speaker 2: I actually watched something this weekend and one of the
Speaker 2: characters in it was from the Raft. Paul Solderfield was
Speaker 2: in it, and I was like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 2: the kid from the raft. It pulls the grow up
Speaker 2: the last second, and I was like, is Creepshow to
Speaker 2: connecting everything in my life. It really does feel like
Speaker 2: sometimes Arena. That's what movie I was watching, and he's
Speaker 2: also in then, But that is a good tie in. Also,
Speaker 2: as I get older every day, I really I used
Speaker 2: to see myself as the young Native American kids that
Speaker 2: come to the town and can't wait to get out
Speaker 2: of town. And I very much seen myself as George Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Now as I get older, I'm like, I just want
Speaker 2: to run this store and bunch of kids just behave yourselves.
Speaker 1: I love George and Doorthleyttlemore. Oh my god, they're both
Speaker 1: so you know, they're not slumming it. They are again,
Speaker 1: even if they're just there for a check, they are
Speaker 1: putting in the work.
Speaker 2: Oh and I love that the leader of the Native
Speaker 2: American tust is the dude from Mine Hunter Bones. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh he is reports but it's great call. Uh but
Speaker 2: like he uh, I'm gonna get paid in his hair.
Speaker 2: That's what I've said for years that neither has worked out.
Speaker 2: I just have long hair. But uh, yeah, I love
Speaker 2: him and he's the older cop uh and uh Mine Hunter.
Speaker 2: He turned out to look a lot like George Kennedy.
Speaker 2: So life is a highway, a circular highway.
Speaker 1: That's a flat circle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, flat. Oh yeah, we're going to.
Speaker 1: Flash Museum here though, where they where they have it.
Speaker 1: The Arkansas Fine Arts Museum had an Art Nouveaux exhibition
Speaker 1: recently and they had some Aubrey beards Lely works.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: So I'm told by my daughter I did not go,
Speaker 1: but she was. She actually works at the museum and
Speaker 1: so she knew. She's like, yeah, he had some pieces
Speaker 1: there during that exhibition.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to Flashback next weekend because they're showing
Speaker 2: holloween Too with Allen Howarth playing the music live. So
Speaker 2: we weren't gonna go, and we're like, that seems really
Speaker 2: a far trip just to go. You know, Pamela shop
Speaker 2: is there from Hoween Too, and my wife, you know,
Speaker 2: Chris loves Halloween to It's her favorite movie. But then
Speaker 2: as soon as they announced her playing the music, she's like,
Speaker 2: I already bought the tickets and I got a hotel room.
Speaker 2: I already talked to your friend's wife will be staying
Speaker 2: with them one night. And I'm like, wow, she planned
Speaker 2: this whole trip. So that's what we're doing. Also, because
Speaker 2: Stephen Weber's there. So I'm totally gonna be watch my
Speaker 2: cry when she meets Stephen Weber, and then I'll be
Speaker 2: like a dude and be like, oh, you're in an
Speaker 2: argentle movie. You're in Jennifer.
Speaker 1: I just think about single White Female with him, I
Speaker 1: guess and.
Speaker 2: Gongs but wings, yeah, single female. This is jolly.
Speaker 1: If you've seen that since it came out. Oh so
Speaker 1: I need to rewatch that is a movie I haven't.
Speaker 1: That's probably my least watched Halloween. I kind of skip
Speaker 1: it for some reason. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: It's my most watched Halloween. My wife loves Howweing too,
Speaker 2: like the point that she can she has the uh
Speaker 2: Death Waltz vinyl and she just can do the whole
Speaker 2: movie while it's playing. It's really amazing. Her and Bill
Speaker 2: just will talk to each other in whole scenes from Hoween.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Hm hmmm, I have to rewatch it. It's been I
Speaker 1: can't remember the last time watching it. I probably haven't
Speaker 1: logged it on letterbox, which is over ten years at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, don't make me cry, like that's it.
Speaker 1: Last time I went through them. I think I just
Speaker 1: started with number four. I think I just watched the
Speaker 1: Thorn Trilogy and went forward through the rest of because
Speaker 1: I've seen number one. I've seen the first one so
Speaker 1: many times and oh yeah, and the third one is so,
Speaker 1: of course not related to the Michael Meyers stuff.
Speaker 2: Yea. I have a super mix of four through six
Speaker 2: as one cuts, like a movie that they edited everything together.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you, like three hours of the
Speaker 2: Thorn Trilogy at once is a lot to take. I
Speaker 2: really like six, though it is so fucking dumb. People
Speaker 2: hate it, and like, you know what, that's what I want,
Speaker 2: Like I would franchises get dumb. That's when I love them.
Speaker 1: Is that the one that has a producer's cut too?
Speaker 2: I can't remember?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, I think I bought the Blu ray
Speaker 1: and I haven't watched a producer's cut? Is that the
Speaker 1: Curse of Michael Myers?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, is that sick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gave it, I have, I have a whole shelf.
Speaker 1: The bottom line up front, This isn't terrible. Actually, I
Speaker 1: think I liked that one more than than five.
Speaker 2: I hated four when it came out because I was
Speaker 2: that was like in my prime, seventeen year old edge lord.
Speaker 2: You know gore. Every movie had to have gore in it,
Speaker 2: and I can't be to the effects and nothing happens
Speaker 2: in it, Like there's not a lot of gore. I
Speaker 2: remember being in Sense. Now when I go back and
Speaker 2: watch it, I'm like, it has like really cool fall vibes.
Speaker 2: I dig it. Yeah, they're all nothing's gonna be as
Speaker 2: good as the first one. But you know, as long
Speaker 2: as you're fine with that, I don't even want to
Speaker 2: talk about progressively, each knew holloween it comes out makes
Speaker 2: the one before it better. Like at this point, I
Speaker 2: love the rub zombie ones and I hated them, and
Speaker 2: now I'm like, these are or at least he had
Speaker 2: a vision. It's kind of like, I'm it's kind of
Speaker 2: like he's like a cousin or something right where I'm like,
Speaker 2: I know he did that. But my cousin wanted to
Speaker 2: be a filmmaker and made a slasher movie when we
Speaker 2: were kids and said it was all excited to show
Speaker 2: it to me. Brought to the house and showed it
Speaker 2: but to me, my brother and my grandmother. And there
Speaker 2: was a scene where he stabbed a woman in the
Speaker 2: back of the head and then had sex with her.
Speaker 2: Graphically on screen for like three minutes, and my grandmother said, well,
Speaker 2: at least he's doing something and he's working on his passions.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you showed this movie to our grandmother.
Speaker 2: This was like a beyond a serbian film level of stuff. Oh,
Speaker 2: he didn't have to send us anywhere, and then likely
Speaker 2: people would watch it. He would instantly go on a
Speaker 2: watch list. And yeah, anyways, I would be really interested
Speaker 2: for younger people to watch Deathbed and see what they
Speaker 2: think of it, Like, as long as they can get
Speaker 2: past like and not make fun of it and like
Speaker 2: actually watch it. Maybe if you did tell him it
Speaker 2: was folk horror, I think they would be more apt
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, yeah, this is this is fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just don't know if they had attention spans
Speaker 1: there to be able to And this is not a
Speaker 1: long movie and in move I mean I think it
Speaker 1: moves pretty quick. Yeah, the first part, especially us like, well,
Speaker 1: like about the first twenty minutes, I'm like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is just flying by for a yeah, kind of a
Speaker 1: it's a slower movie, it's a slow burn, but it
Speaker 1: still kind of moves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. George said, I don't even remember
Speaker 2: if I was an observant a dream. But I had
Speaker 2: this dream where a bed that was engulfing. There's nothing
Speaker 2: I remember that was just specific with just the engulfing bed.
Speaker 2: There wasn't any digestion, was just the bed coming in
Speaker 2: over and over again. And I woke up and I
Speaker 2: wrote the script, which is cool because this does feel
Speaker 2: like a dream, especially the scene where all the girls
Speaker 2: are in front of the fireplace and keep getting up
Speaker 2: like super imposed over each other. That really points to
Speaker 2: like early seventies Simon King of the Witch is looking stuff.
Speaker 2: That's what I always call it, like psychedelic filmmaking. Oorhead.
Speaker 2: I just hit the part where the girl's stuck halfway
Speaker 2: through the bed and near right. The scene's amazing with
Speaker 2: her like trying to crawl out in the bed pulling
Speaker 2: on her.
Speaker 3: It's forever. She crawls for forever.
Speaker 1: And she makes it and then she gets pulled right
Speaker 1: back in.
Speaker 2: I also love that, Uh, you know, people didn't necessarily
Speaker 2: know how to make blood back then, because this wasn't like,
Speaker 2: you know, the Savini effects book hadn't come out, and
Speaker 2: Dick Smith hadn't put out how he did it, so
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, well, they just used red pain
Speaker 2: or ketchup for these movies. Neither of these things film. Well,
Speaker 2: this looks like Italian blood from Donna the Dead, where
Speaker 2: it's like bright red. It's like the reddest blood. And
Speaker 2: then I remember because I asked the guys that did
Speaker 2: the shot on video slaughter Beach, like, how did you guys?
Speaker 2: There's so much blood in this movie? How'd you guys
Speaker 2: do it? Like, we didn't know how to make blood,
Speaker 2: so we just figured if we got red kool aid
Speaker 2: and did like a fourth of the water that was
Speaker 2: supposed to go in it, it would look kind of bloody.
Speaker 2: I said, how'd that turn out? Like? We were dyed
Speaker 2: red for about a year, Like we didn't our hands,
Speaker 2: our hair, everything was bright red. This where she's crawling away,
Speaker 2: it's like, obviously it's the brightest red blood you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: But you know what, that's good. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't want realism and deathbed. That's kind of what I
Speaker 2: dig about it.
Speaker 1: It's like, the whole point is that, yes, it's a
Speaker 1: fairy tale, it's not we're not going for realism here
Speaker 1: at all, so you would expect the dream logic you're in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bed so a doult fits together.
Speaker 2: I asked George, I said, when you guys got all
Speaker 2: that blood in that room, you know, with her dragging
Speaker 2: across the floor. He's like, they told me they wish
Speaker 2: that we had done more to destroy the house. He
Speaker 2: was like, I was really shocked, like how much we
Speaker 2: got away with because the guy was like disappointed that
Speaker 2: we weren't doing an adult film. He is and he's like,
Speaker 2: I have never had that reaction before. And I said, well,
Speaker 2: where are you going to and he's like, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even know how to find people to do. It was
Speaker 2: hard enough to get a movie to be in a
Speaker 2: movie called Deathbed, much less to do that. He's like,
Speaker 2: I was just here to make a horror movie.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess that those were in vogue at the time,
Speaker 1: so yeah, probably it is the horror films.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What's funny is of the cast, Sharon's brother, the
Speaker 2: one whose hands get eaten is William Rust. He was
Speaker 2: on Boy Meets World for like one hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: some episodes and he directed nine episodes of the show.
Speaker 2: He's also cruising and he was in the original v
Speaker 2: mini series, so he's done a ton of work. Oh,
Speaker 2: my god, were.
Speaker 1: You you were like, now, yeah, I was what year
Speaker 1: was that eighty four?
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I was in fifth grade or sixth
Speaker 2: grade when.
Speaker 1: Arima eighty three. Yeah, so I would have been about eight,
Speaker 1: and that was I mean, it just broke my mind,
Speaker 1: you know, Oh my god, for that time. I remember
Speaker 1: movie and I was obsessed.
Speaker 2: We were talking about it in school the next day.
Speaker 2: That's why I remember.
Speaker 1: It was my one of my first crushes between her
Speaker 1: and maybe uh Bobby Gentry on the cover of the
Speaker 1: Fantasy album.
Speaker 2: You know what, Our teacher gave us a twenty minute
Speaker 2: break so that he's like, I guess you kids are
Speaker 2: going to talk about whatever this movie is, so go
Speaker 2: ahead and talk about it for twenty minutes. And we
Speaker 2: just were all like, what's going to happen tonight? Like
Speaker 2: at the end of the first night when the old
Speaker 2: guy like spraised the V on the poster. If you
Speaker 2: told me I had a fight an alien at that point,
Speaker 2: I'm one would have. I was so excited about whatever
Speaker 2: was coming fast.
Speaker 1: I mean, talk about jingoism, you know, that's some some
Speaker 1: raw raw you know America, you know, but just.
Speaker 2: Take the politics out of these movies. They're so political.
Speaker 2: Go back and watch V like it's a whole movie
Speaker 2: about it. I gotta tell you the V series that
Speaker 2: like next to like I think it's episode eleven, Civil
Speaker 2: Danning comes to take over for Diana, and I, as
Speaker 2: a kid, I was like, I don't know what this is.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's doing to me, this black
Speaker 2: magic of Civil Danning, and and like I love that,
Speaker 2: Like there's just publicity picks you could if you go
Speaker 2: here to con She's got that picture of her hold
Speaker 2: in the gun. Like god, gosh, darn it. V's so good,
Speaker 2: and yet it's only like too mini series and like
Speaker 2: thirteen episodes. That's all we really needed when we're kids.
Speaker 2: Were like, that's enough to obsess me for thirty forty years.
Speaker 1: I remembered the series, and I just remember it was over,
Speaker 1: and I was confused, like why why is this not
Speaker 1: on anyway? Why is everyone is watching this right? And
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, wasn't.
Speaker 2: I watch a lot of good bad flicks. Has like
Speaker 2: a thing he does of like five series that everybody
Speaker 2: forgot that he does every once in a while, and
Speaker 2: every single time I laugh because I'm like my dad
Speaker 2: and I watched this show whatever it is like Dark
Speaker 2: Skies Hunter and we were watching it every week, and
Speaker 2: it's like if a show lasted ten episodes and was
Speaker 2: canceled without an ending cliffhangers. I can think of a
Speaker 2: million other shows that we watched and that's it. That's
Speaker 2: all Misfits, The Science Manimal, The Highwayman with Sam J. Jones.
Speaker 2: These are all the shows that I was obsessed with
Speaker 2: as a kid. And I was the same way with
Speaker 2: like amazing stories and like certainly everybody else is loving
Speaker 2: this wrong, it's doing horrible.
Speaker 1: And now we get I was listening to something os
Speaker 1: the one of my favorite podcasts is with Gorley and Rest.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever hearing when the Matt
Speaker 1: Gorley and Paul Rest and they were he was talking
Speaker 1: about Paul Russe had created a show on Netflix called
Speaker 1: Love and they were saying, you know, would that ever
Speaker 1: kind of come back? And there's this whole talk of
Speaker 1: you know, Netflix doesn't want to produce shows unless they
Speaker 1: know they can get X amount of seasons out of them.
Speaker 1: But viewers aren't going to commit to a show unless
Speaker 1: they know they're going to produce x number of They
Speaker 1: don't they don't want to just watch a show for
Speaker 1: one season. They want, you know, to know that this
Speaker 1: will keep going on because they don't want to spend
Speaker 1: the time invested in it. And I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: the opposite, Like I just give me one good season
Speaker 1: of something, yeah, and you can just stop, and even
Speaker 1: if you keep going, I may not watch it. Even
Speaker 1: if I love that first season, I'm good, Just give
Speaker 1: me one.
Speaker 2: I think. What's funny though, is like I like the
Speaker 2: second season of twin Peaks so much because you know,
Speaker 2: when of the first season was on, everybody was watching it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like it was a huge thing,
Speaker 2: which is hilarious to think about today, right that this
Speaker 2: quirky series is going to be that important. But like
Speaker 2: the second season, like people were just in rage, like
Speaker 2: they're not going to solve this fucking murder. No, it's
Speaker 2: not about that. It was never about that to him.
Speaker 2: So they're gonna do whatever they want. And it's like that,
Speaker 2: I like these fin experiences. I'd rather have a mini
Speaker 2: series and then that way I'm through it. That's the
Speaker 2: worst feeling when you love a show and then by
Speaker 2: the end the characters you loved it are just shadows
Speaker 2: of who they were before, and we're just what are
Speaker 2: we doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need to bring back the mini series, the
Speaker 1: oh you know, the Winds of War series. Yeah, why
Speaker 1: don't they do these anymore? That was just I thought that.
Speaker 2: Speaking of a show that like was once dangerous, like
Speaker 2: I was. I watched I'm doing another movie challenge, Klon's
Speaker 2: Summer Challenge, and it's horrible cartoons this week. So I
Speaker 2: did cartoon All Stars of the Rescue, which it Oh
Speaker 2: my god, did you watch Scruffy's on my list too?
Speaker 2: That movie is? Is it not the most brutal movie
Speaker 2: you've ever watched?
Speaker 3: I loved it so much, Scruffy, Scruffy.
Speaker 2: I love with.
Speaker 1: Yes from from childhood, from life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Oh, I love Joe so much. It's always
Speaker 2: mean girls, Like anytime Joe was mean to a boy,
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's just something about that Joe. I love that.
Speaker 2: When we think Scruffy's life's gonna be okay, when he
Speaker 2: finds that old actor dude and he's like performing with
Speaker 2: him and and then the guy he's like, we're going
Speaker 2: to be together forever, and at that moment he has
Speaker 2: a heart attack.
Speaker 1: And when you're a kid in the eighties, that's what
Speaker 1: you got. Very uh, not happy ending.
Speaker 2: It's like torture porne though, because like at one point
Speaker 2: his mom, you think the mom's going to die in
Speaker 2: the fire a spoilers for Scruffy, a cartoon from nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty Get ready riverside to edit this one. Scruffy's mom,
Speaker 2: you think she's gonna die in that fire. She lives.
Speaker 2: You think she's going to die in like a flood.
Speaker 2: She lives. And then like, you know, we should go
Speaker 2: in the woods where there's these hunters, and I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 2: they did it, and his mom gets shot off camera
Speaker 2: and like, please don't show her. They show her. I
Speaker 2: ran upstairs and held my dog and I was like,
Speaker 2: if you should go through what Scruffy. There's a review
Speaker 2: on Letterbox that flipped out about the end of Scruffy,
Speaker 2: by the way I believe it, where they're like Scruffy
Speaker 2: was being groomed by that other dog and he met
Speaker 2: her when she was a puppy and ended up having kids.
Speaker 2: I'm like, fucking dogs, dude, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then actually had a happy ending, which this person, this.
Speaker 2: Person, this person is like the eighties were horrible and
Speaker 2: male dogs were grooming female dogs. And I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't think anyone considered that ever, except for you right
Speaker 2: now that I'm so glad you watched Gruffy.
Speaker 1: You were saying you watched something else for this.
Speaker 2: Cartoon All Stars to the Rescue, which is the only
Speaker 2: time that every network played the same show that wasn't news.
Speaker 2: So it was an anti drug cartoon that unites every
Speaker 2: major cartoon character introduced by George Bush and Barbara Bush.
Speaker 1: And so it's kind of like Zations played We Are
Speaker 1: the World at the same times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this has like the Ducktails characters, Chippendale, the
Speaker 2: Ninja Turtles, Alf Garfield, the Smurfs. Everybody's in it except
Speaker 2: for Bart Simpson, who at nineteen ninety would have been
Speaker 2: the most popular cartoon. And you know, but when the
Speaker 2: Simpsons first came on, like, people were very upset by
Speaker 2: it and they're like, oh, it's a bad role model.
Speaker 2: And that's what teachers strongly encouraged the makers of this
Speaker 2: cartoon not to include Bart Simpson because no one would
Speaker 2: believe that he would he would keep kids up drugs.
Speaker 1: Our school band Bart Simpson t shirt in the early
Speaker 1: nineties or high school you could not wear. You could
Speaker 1: not wear Bart Simpson, you cannot wear the Nike swoosh,
Speaker 1: I said, just too suggestive.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, did you go to a public school or
Speaker 2: like a Christian school.
Speaker 1: No, he's a public school, but it was in the South, so.
Speaker 2: You know, Ah, okay, say no more. They outwatched slat
Speaker 2: bracelets at my school too, because kids were slat braceletally
Speaker 2: and one another with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too distracting, Okay, it.
Speaker 2: Just seems weird. The problems of today, Like today kids
Speaker 2: go to school. I'm like, come, don't get shot the
Speaker 2: problems I had where I hope somebody doesn't slat bracelet me.
Speaker 2: I hope that nobody beats me up for what I'm wearing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a lot different, but anyway, not take it too dark.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the cartoon All Stars Are the Rescue and Scruffy,
Speaker 2: those were the two big watches I had. Literally I
Speaker 2: stopped watching TV after Scruffy because I was like, nothing
Speaker 2: is going to be both better, worse, or more depressing
Speaker 2: than what I just watched, even though I I know
Speaker 2: it does have a happy ending. Also based on a
Speaker 2: true story, which is terrifying.
Speaker 1: Right and wait, that director directed a lot of Disney. Well,
Speaker 1: he did Charlotte's Web the seventies. Yeah, and a lot
Speaker 1: of Pluto shorts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he knew dogs. But he was like,
Speaker 2: you know what that aired on three different weeks, like an.
Speaker 1: Hour a week, Yeah, three weeks.
Speaker 2: Watching first run though, Yeah you didn't see it when
Speaker 2: you were a little kid.
Speaker 1: No, I would have been five. I mean I would
Speaker 1: have been like that with what I was watching.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it would have crushed me if I saw
Speaker 2: it as a kid, Like it's like Watership Down level.
Speaker 1: Like I had watched Watership Down probably about that time,
Speaker 1: and that was very I.
Speaker 2: Had the book when I was a kid. What a
Speaker 2: thing to ask your parents for? I could have a
Speaker 2: I flourish it down, Why it's horrible? I may as
Speaker 2: well have asked for Jonathan Linson Seagull, speaking of bed
Speaker 2: seventies stuff, I'm watching the brother pull his hands out
Speaker 2: of the bed here and I love just like we said,
Speaker 2: how calm he is that all the nerves in shock. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like this is fine.
Speaker 1: And like he was sad. It was like, oh, my
Speaker 1: hands are gone.
Speaker 2: And then we cut to a soap opera sky like
Speaker 2: The Days of the Week from SCTV. It just cuts
Speaker 2: to this beautiful sky and then they're just hanging out
Speaker 2: near the bed if you want to. I think Bill
Speaker 2: still has copies of the driving Asilum number twenty four.
Speaker 2: That's the issue that I did the interview with George
Speaker 2: and he talked a lot about some cool stuff about it.
Speaker 2: I think one of the really funny things is when
Speaker 2: we were getting interviewed, he was asking me if I
Speaker 2: knew other you know, directors, and he's like, do you
Speaker 2: know what Jess Franco is? And it was like, nobody
Speaker 2: has ever asked me a better question? By what? Like
Speaker 2: It's funny because when I set the transcript, but the Bill,
Speaker 2: he goes, how excited were you when he asked question?
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I don't think I've
Speaker 2: ever been more fired up about something. I think the
Speaker 2: other thing too, someone asked him like what directors he knew,
Speaker 2: especially the people in Europe, and they had asked him
Speaker 2: like have you seen genre Rowlands films? And he's like who,
Speaker 2: and they're because this feels like one of his movies,
Speaker 2: And I'm like it does have like that weird, like
Speaker 2: drug hazy feel of one of his films, Like where
Speaker 2: you know, we're on a always a beach, always fog always,
Speaker 2: Vampires come out of grandfather clocks, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And it's just this like slow languid pace
Speaker 2: and like you said, what time is it? Is it noon?
Speaker 2: Is it midnight? Like? And that's kind of what I
Speaker 2: like about this so much, especially like the ritual scenes
Speaker 2: here at the end are really cool the way they're shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was thinking about genre on I thought
Speaker 1: I was being aerudite and just intelligent and thinking like
Speaker 1: you know what this is. Well I'm watching it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this reminds me of The Iron Rose. Oh yeah, John
Speaker 1: rere Lan, And I was like, nobody else is gonna
Speaker 1: make this connection. And then I read the chapter of
Speaker 1: Nightmare US saying like immediately.
Speaker 2: The Iron Rose, Like I love I love The Iron
Speaker 2: Rose because it's like an hour and a half of
Speaker 2: just like you could tell the story in a sentence,
Speaker 2: but it's like you just gotta It's like a doom
Speaker 2: Metal as a movie, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 2: like the same riff over and over again. But it's great.
Speaker 2: It's a great rift. So like I love it, Like.
Speaker 1: I love that they get locked in that cemetery, and
Speaker 1: then she immediately goes in berserk, like yeah, just immediately.
Speaker 2: Like there's no time, has no meaning there, like they
Speaker 2: could have been there for a thousand years, they could
Speaker 2: have been there for two minutes. But she goes, you're right,
Speaker 2: she goes berserk right away. She's also gorgeous. Everything's gorgeous
Speaker 2: in that movie. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: So the other I thought about the Iron Rows, but
Speaker 1: I think the movies I really thought about the most,
Speaker 1: and it's these Again it's European influence, and it's weird
Speaker 1: that he didn't really he wasn't really influenced by European
Speaker 1: directors as much. And but I really thought about the
Speaker 1: films by Urii Hurts, the Czech filmmaker, and the stuff.
Speaker 1: He'd had a lot of fairy tale movies like Beauty
Speaker 1: to the East or Moregon. But the one that really
Speaker 1: jumped out is the Vampire. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: seen about the car that that needs blood to run.
Speaker 1: That's that's the one that I would probably pair with
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: I'd pair this with Vowing or we could wonder. Speaking
Speaker 2: of Shuck movies, which is a Gothic, it's a folk
Speaker 2: horror movie. I guess right, that's probably a good way
Speaker 2: of thinking about it. And there's another one that Visilven
Speaker 2: should just put out, Warren, which is uh has that
Speaker 2: same feel too. It's like just this weird village and
Speaker 2: stuff happens here. I'm astounded to by the end of
Speaker 2: this movie. The fire scenes are really like apocalyptic, Like
Speaker 2: when the bed finally burns, it looks awesome like they
Speaker 2: probably they had one shot at getting this tool and
Speaker 2: they it looks beautiful like and it's especially like as
Speaker 2: we see the smoke coming in all over the artists
Speaker 2: and stuff like, it's really you can tell that he
Speaker 2: spent four years at post production on this, like it
Speaker 2: was a lot of thinking of how do I make
Speaker 2: this all come together the right way.
Speaker 1: It's a shame that he didn't get to make more films,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that no one that that we have.
Speaker 1: It's also interesting that I guess he never googled himself, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, do you ever google yourself? But with a
Speaker 1: generic name like George Berry, maybe it'd be difficult to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess he just never googled Deathbed. He
Speaker 1: just had to find it on that random forum. I
Speaker 1: guess it was early in the internet though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the DVD release wasn't two thousand and three,
Speaker 2: so it was pretty early.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And also there was a stage play version of this
Speaker 2: that a couple of guys in the cast did in Detroit,
Speaker 2: and he gave them consent to do it, which I
Speaker 2: think is kind of cool. I wish someone had filmed
Speaker 2: because I'd love to see it. And then a lot
Speaker 2: of people learned about this because Patton Oswald that it
Speaker 2: was in his old stand up routine talking about him
Speaker 2: finally seeing this movie and it like blowing his mind,
Speaker 2: and then it's a real movie. So that's I know,
Speaker 2: like a lot of people when there reviews, that's the
Speaker 2: first thing they say, I discovered this movie out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it just arrived to me,
Speaker 2: versus me hearing it from someone else. And those are
Speaker 2: the best ones, Like I love whenever you find something
Speaker 2: and you're like, I can't believe that this is that
Speaker 2: I'm watching this and it's happening. For Vampire is another
Speaker 2: great example of that. I was like, what it is
Speaker 2: kind of like a European riff on the car, which
Speaker 2: I love, but it's like even better, it's.
Speaker 1: A vampire car like Yeah, yeah, that one has more
Speaker 1: political overtones of corporations or blood secking entities.
Speaker 2: There's that Jalli. They have changed their face too. This
Speaker 2: is a vampire cooperation seven sets. It was surprisingly great.
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, weathern sets, they're kind of hidden, miss
Speaker 1: a lot of them, but that one, that one really
Speaker 1: stood out to me.
Speaker 2: Well, Lady Frankenston's on one of the sets, so it's
Speaker 2: really that's probably the only movie I ever need to
Speaker 2: watch again for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: So do we have anything else about Deathbed?
Speaker 2: Please watch Deathbed. That's yes, it's easy. If it's on YouTube,
Speaker 2: it's easy to find.
Speaker 1: It was Actually, if you take all the films in
Speaker 1: Nightmare USA and sort them by film popularity, at least
Speaker 1: according to the letterbox, it was the it's the twentieth
Speaker 1: most popular film on that list out of one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty seven, So it's I guess it's it's fairly
Speaker 1: well known, fairly seen. Has about eight thousand log views,
Speaker 1: which is more than I thought it would be, but
Speaker 1: not enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, So if you're listening to this and you've
Speaker 2: never seen it, should just listen to the rest of
Speaker 2: the show, so get yeah, yeah, yeah, watched it. I
Speaker 2: really like when older white guys talk about movies. People
Speaker 2: are saying right now, and it's like, and I've enjoyed
Speaker 2: hearing YouTube boys talk and and someday I'll watch that movie.
Speaker 2: So one of my mom's friends is like in her
Speaker 2: nineties and listens to a lot of my podcasts, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh god, I talk about some apparent movies,
Speaker 2: like is she gonna go watch a Dark Brothers movie? Now,
Speaker 2: my mom's like, don't watch any of the movies if
Speaker 2: he talks about She's like, he makes them sound so interesting.
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, I know they're not, just don't watch them.
Speaker 2: Hopefully she's not.
Speaker 1: So, now where do we go from here? And it's
Speaker 1: my pick, and you have no idea what I'm going
Speaker 1: to pick, right. I put a lot of thought into
Speaker 1: this one, what the next one's going to be, and when,
Speaker 1: all sorts of different directions. But what I decided was
Speaker 1: that the next episode will drop and mid to late August,
Speaker 1: and so I thought, maybe dark August for August, but
Speaker 1: it's not going to be dark August. It's not going
Speaker 1: to be dark. Oh I didn't get around to watching.
Speaker 1: You got me excited next maybe next August we'll be
Speaker 1: dark unless before then. But I thought, well, you know,
Speaker 1: school is school will be starting, and this will be
Speaker 1: the first year where I don't have any bested interest
Speaker 1: in the beginning of school starting because my daughter graduated
Speaker 1: from college. And I was like, man, it's like my
Speaker 1: whole life, either I've been starting school or college or
Speaker 1: a kid's been in school or college. I said, there's
Speaker 1: plenty of school based films in this book. So the
Speaker 1: one I'm going to go with is Girls' Night Out
Speaker 1: aka The Scare Maker Wow, and that is set in
Speaker 1: a university. There's some slashing, there's some there's a black glove,
Speaker 1: there's a bear glove. And I watched it yesterday. I
Speaker 1: think I feel like I like it, maybe more than
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And then I watched it again
Speaker 1: and I think I like it even more than I
Speaker 1: did the first.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to watch it again so that I
Speaker 2: can meet you there somewhere.
Speaker 1: You did not care for this movie.
Speaker 2: I didn't like it the first time I saw it,
Speaker 2: But I'm going to go back and watch it again.
Speaker 2: Let me see what I gave it. On a Winter Box.
Speaker 2: I'm there right now. I gave it. I gave it
Speaker 2: two and a half. It's not horrible for me, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I probably dug it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it fits a lot of what
Speaker 1: we've talked about before of liking slashers that are boring
Speaker 1: in which not a whole lot happens. Initially, for the
Speaker 1: first thirty minutes, there's nothing, and it's just a kind
Speaker 1: of a hangout there, kind of at a party, and
Speaker 1: then then then the slashing starts and it goes from
Speaker 1: there to scavenger hunt, just all these things that I like,
Speaker 1: college parties, scavenger hunts. What year is it? Who knows?
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about the Loving Spoon and Ohio Express.
Speaker 2: Oh and I'm so excited that you like it.
Speaker 1: I hope you like it more than you did the
Speaker 1: last time you watched it.
Speaker 2: I like it more than to a while good night,
Speaker 2: so that I guess that's good.
Speaker 1: Right, we'll get to that one maybe right.
Speaker 2: I have my pick in my head, but I'll say
Speaker 2: next episode, we'll do the reveal like that. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you often. Yeah, but that's how we'll build our audience.
Speaker 2: Make sure that you share like all the things rate
Speaker 2: please rate the show. Gosh, I think two people rated it.
Speaker 2: No one ever rates mine, like you know, that'd be nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, society as a whole has stopped just liking, like
Speaker 1: giving the likes or reviews or things. My wife's on
Speaker 1: this all the time, Like when she posted my daughter's
Speaker 1: wedding photos, She's like, nobody's liked it. Like people just don't.
Speaker 1: They just don't like it. And now, like on Instagram,
Speaker 1: if you like something, then you can see, like there's
Speaker 1: another thing where you can see what they liked. And
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't want people to know what
Speaker 1: I liked, especially some of the things that I would like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: want them judging me.
Speaker 2: I have like two or three friends that every time
Speaker 2: there's like, you know, a girl post on there, they're
Speaker 2: the ones that I'm like, God, those perfts and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna like this post. And they know who
Speaker 2: they are. They're listening. I know who you are. Versus
Speaker 2: the anonymous early days of the internet. Movie you know
Speaker 2: I could do that, I guess. Yeah, we've been on
Speaker 2: again a long time though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you like, please go like the show,
Speaker 1: review it on Instagram, follow us on Instagram, and do
Speaker 1: you have anything. Oh, I saw you. You've updated your
Speaker 1: website and being this about movies has a new interface
Speaker 1: or the technical design on it's different, the layouts different.
Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you. Yeah. WordPress got rid of
Speaker 2: a lot of the independent templates that they had, so
Speaker 2: they put a white block in the middle of my
Speaker 2: template so you couldn't read any words, and I was
Speaker 2: like panicking. You know all eight people that come there
Speaker 2: and you're included, and so I was like, I got
Speaker 2: to fix it. And then I found that template. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is actually cleaner looking, and it made me happy.
Speaker 1: So it was not my design. You were forced into this.
Speaker 2: Well it was forced into it. But also like I
Speaker 2: went back and like went through a couple of different
Speaker 2: iterations and I'm happy where I ended up. And I'm
Speaker 2: learning I was using the old way of entering stuff
Speaker 2: in and now I'm actually using the real word press thing.
Speaker 2: Like before there was like an older way that was
Speaker 2: easier to see things. Now you have to do a
Speaker 2: little bit of htmout, but it's fine, it's not hard
Speaker 2: to do. So yeah, I'm in the middle of finishing.
Speaker 2: I did USA up on Night Movies in July and
Speaker 2: then August is going to be simple Danting adventure video
Speaker 2: for releases. There's like twenty six of them. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I'm part way through that. I watched a really great
Speaker 2: one the other day, killing Machine aka Gordon. To this
Speaker 2: movie's cast, it's amazing, Like, uh, it's the kind of
Speaker 2: cast that that only I would would appreciate. I think, well,
Speaker 2: I think you would appreciate it too. But listen to
Speaker 2: this cast. Margot Hemingway, Lee van Cleef, Jorge Rivero from Conquest,
Speaker 2: He's Mace in Conquest. Uh, Anna Obergone from u Bo,
Speaker 2: Derek's friend in Balero, Alto Simbrelly, Frank Jack Richard, Jekyl, Hugo, Stieglitz.
Speaker 2: And then of all those people, what if Willy Ames
Speaker 2: was in it? Yes, Willy Eames is in it. Uh,
Speaker 2: he's or Rivero's best friend. What how? What world do
Speaker 2: we live in? Yeah, it's a trucker terrorist movie about
Speaker 2: how much Spanish and French truckers hate each other. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a Lee van Cleef movie. So that's why I
Speaker 2: watched it. And it's also a simple Danic adventure video
Speaker 2: one because people would writ those movies because they thought
Speaker 2: she was in them. Suddenly they're given a movie crusty
Speaker 2: old dudes like Leavy and Cleef in it. Uh, and
Speaker 2: they were very upset. People were upset back in the
Speaker 2: eighties by stuff like that, like give me my three
Speaker 2: dollars for this rental back today, I'm like, you should
Speaker 2: be so lucky that you get snared with the wrong movie.
Speaker 1: Right, went on the site. Because I listened to your
Speaker 1: podcast about Piazadora, I suddenly want to watch Butterfly And
Speaker 1: what was that.
Speaker 2: The Only Lady, The Lady the Voyage of the Rock Aliens. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: oh my god, And I forgot. I forgot that Carolyn Dfenseca,
Speaker 2: who's the ghost on my show, is in The Lonely Lady,
Speaker 2: not voice, She's actually in it. And uh so I'm
Speaker 2: sure I'll be called out by Carolyn Defenseca on that right,
Speaker 2: by her ghost. But uh my mom had the Lonely
Speaker 2: hardback of The Lonely Lady and it was like hidden
Speaker 2: right because it was like one of those like dirty books.
Speaker 2: And uh when I found out that there was one
Speaker 2: on HBO, it would only air at like four ten am.
Speaker 2: And I set my alarm port by pillow. We didn't
Speaker 2: have a VCR, and I snuck down and watched The
Speaker 2: Lonely Lady. I was like eleven years old, way too
Speaker 2: young for that movie. Holy shit, I love it so much.
Speaker 2: It's like very watch original. If you like Valley of
Speaker 2: the Dolls Good News, it's in the same feels as
Speaker 2: one of those like Jacqueliness handbooks. It's it's sleeve, it's
Speaker 2: absolute sleeze.
Speaker 1: I remember watching. Well, speaking of HBO, we did have
Speaker 1: a VCR. We had two VCRs. My wife says we
Speaker 1: were rich, and I said we weren't rich, but just
Speaker 1: my parents spent money on things, and then they repossessed
Speaker 1: our house. But I wouldn't call that they made bad
Speaker 1: financial choices. But we remember taping The Lady in Red
Speaker 1: late one night, of course on Cinemax or HBO, thinking
Speaker 1: it was the Woman in Red, the gm Alder comedy
Speaker 1: with What Say I Love You from Weird Sign The
Speaker 1: theme song was I Just.
Speaker 2: Called to Say I Love Kelly LeBrock.
Speaker 1: That's who it is, Yes, Kelly Lebron. It was so
Speaker 1: I was expecting a Gene Wilder Kelly Lebron and I
Speaker 1: get the Lady in Gangs. Yeah, women in Prison, well
Speaker 1: part of its Women in Prison, So yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: That was an eye opener for me. Uh as a kid.
Speaker 2: My favorite Kelly Lebron references in Ghost House, the Italian
Speaker 2: horror movie. There's one scene where they're trying to convince
Speaker 2: you that it's an American movie, and they say, who's
Speaker 2: the most popular star in your town? Is it Silon
Speaker 2: Labon or Kelly Lebron And she goes, no, one cares
Speaker 2: about Silon Lebond anymore. And I'm like, and they're on
Speaker 2: a Ham radio talking about this, and then they talk
Speaker 2: about Chili and it's like, kids, we're in America. No
Speaker 2: you're not. You're fucking Italy. I see right through you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Kelly Brock was a big deal on my town.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm say so.
Speaker 1: And then also drive in Asylum. Think again. By the
Speaker 1: time this releases, you'll be a couple of weeks late.
Speaker 1: But I saw you're doing Parents and Empire the Ants.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 1: You have never seen parents.
Speaker 2: I've never seen parents either. I've seen Empire of the
Speaker 2: Ants so many times. I have a big Joan Collins crush,
Speaker 2: and she is both the She's the human villain of
Speaker 2: Empire the Ants and I love her so much.
Speaker 1: I love yeah, I loved Empower the Ants and John Collins.
Speaker 1: Apparently John Collins did not love the experience.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. It's so funny because we're always like, oh,
Speaker 2: poor Joan every time we hear in these movies, because like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be born as another one. If
Speaker 2: you've seen that one, I haven't.
Speaker 1: It's been on my watch list.
Speaker 2: God move it on up. Because there is this small
Speaker 2: muscular man that works at the strip club with her,
Speaker 2: that's in love with her, and she keeps leading him
Speaker 2: on and leading him on and finally tells him she
Speaker 2: hooks up with the owner and leaves behind stripping and
Speaker 2: like insults him. He somehow knows black magic, so he
Speaker 2: curses their child so that he's reborn in their child.
Speaker 2: It's shit, just gets wild, it's so good.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the worst and I just haven't.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's like the shittiest Rosemaries baby movie baby in England.
Speaker 2: But I love it for that. But yeah, I'm so
Speaker 2: excited to watch ron I've never never seen it. No,
Speaker 2: I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I always loved finding film you haven't seen. I want
Speaker 1: to where's that letterbox list? Films? Sam Panic is not seen?
Speaker 2: We should do that. I think. I guess it's definitely okay.
Speaker 1: So join us the next time. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: girls Night Out and we're gonna hope Sam likes it
Speaker 1: more than he did the first time, and if not,
Speaker 1: that's okay too. And it's available. I know it's available
Speaker 1: on the Arrow, I have the Blu Ray and on
Speaker 1: Era video Player, and maybe available other places. And so
Speaker 1: join us, then we'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2: I've got another if you'd like, let us.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to get out right here.