Speaker 1: All right, everybody to night's episode of Wrestling Magic.
Speaker 2: We're just going to talk about what happened at the
Speaker 2: Royal Rumble because wrestling right now, and like my usual
Speaker 2: joining me tonight is going to be the gardner Michael Gross,
Speaker 2: hey man, how.
Speaker 1: You doing great?
Speaker 3: How are you doing over there in the UK?
Speaker 1: Not too bad?
Speaker 2: It's been interesting over here, to say the least. Don't
Speaker 2: give it that much.
Speaker 3: How cold is it over there right now?
Speaker 2: I just went for a run not too long ago,
Speaker 2: and it was about forty ish degrees.
Speaker 1: It's not terrible, not too bad. What about where you're at?
Speaker 3: You know? Two days ago it was seventy degrees in
Speaker 3: Louisville and today it's thirty degrees in Louisville. So my
Speaker 3: skin is taking a beating. My nose runs one day
Speaker 3: and then I swept the next. I don't get it here, man,
Speaker 3: But I gotta ask you, because you said you're taking
Speaker 3: a run. Don't you have something coming up? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just my typical racing stuff. I try
Speaker 2: to keep the locations private for safety reasons. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be doing another marathon sometime soon, so it
Speaker 2: should be fun.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited. For it.
Speaker 3: It should be in the next couple of weeks. Well,
Speaker 3: how was how was the last marathon that you did?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Last actual marathon I did was back in Okanawa a
Speaker 2: little over a year ago. It was amazing and I
Speaker 2: kind of miss it that. People were incredible. They were
Speaker 2: like so many people in the crowd, just on the
Speaker 2: sides of this entire race, like on the sides with
Speaker 2: like these little jello cups they're handing out to everybody.
Speaker 2: And there were people like this light acane spray. I
Speaker 2: remember run up to them and like just point to
Speaker 2: whatever body part was hurting. They would get in there
Speaker 2: and like spray the crap out of it.
Speaker 1: And he would just go numb.
Speaker 2: And I remember one guy he got to my knee
Speaker 2: really well, like he got into every little crease and
Speaker 2: everything through my pants.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't know who this dude is.
Speaker 1: He must have been a doctor. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you did that that well. And I just kept going.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, these guys are good. They really
Speaker 2: know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what's going on with you, dude?
Speaker 4: That was an Okinawa, yeah, back and ok Oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: So did you eat a lot of authentic Japanese food
Speaker 4: while you were there in ok.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: I mean a friend of mine who uh I got
Speaker 2: to see out there, and I'm really happy that I did.
Speaker 2: He took me out to uh Cocasai, which is like
Speaker 2: the big touristy place, and I remember I told him
Speaker 2: I wanted to have ramen and.
Speaker 1: He saw me.
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, we're not going to go to any
Speaker 2: of these main big places here. I want you to
Speaker 2: pick a dark alleyway. We're gonna walk down there. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be a random red light that says ram and
Speaker 2: above a door that's gonna have the best ramen.
Speaker 1: Of your life.
Speaker 2: Or we're just walking along. I find a random dark
Speaker 2: alley way, I'm like, all right, this is the one.
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, we just walked down there. He was
Speaker 2: dead right. I still couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: That's really awesome. Well, today we're going to talk about
Speaker 3: our reactions to the Royal Room. Okay, and you and
Speaker 3: I both watched it. We both have our own opinions
Speaker 3: on it. I think we have some shared opinions. I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously you're my nephew, so everybody knows that mystery is over.
Speaker 3: And also something I want to say is thank you
Speaker 3: for all the work that you've done as far as
Speaker 3: your interviews and everybody that you and Scully have looked
Speaker 3: up a lot of people don't know this, but to
Speaker 3: get these interviews with retired wrestlers, King, Scully and Maverick
Speaker 3: have looked up these people, researched these people, and taken
Speaker 3: their own hard time to get these people on the show.
Speaker 3: And I can be present for some of these interviews.
Speaker 3: I can't be present for some of these interviews. We
Speaker 3: all have a work life, we all have a regular life,
Speaker 3: and I just want to personally thank you for all
Speaker 3: the content that you've been going out of your way
Speaker 3: to create in every contact that Scully has found, because
Speaker 3: it is really amazing to me how much of the
Speaker 3: Wrestle Magic team are trying to create and contribute to
Speaker 3: wwepodcast dot com. And you know, I know Rocky'll be
Speaker 3: back in a little while, and you know Memphis Mark
Speaker 3: has taking a sabbatical, but he's going to be doing
Speaker 3: some work with me soon as far as some show
Speaker 3: ideas that he and I have had. Creating content is
Speaker 3: not very easy, folks, and especially doing interviews with famous
Speaker 3: retired wrestlers is very very important to how you format,
Speaker 3: how you talk to them, how you ask them questions.
Speaker 3: Like for instance, when you talked to Raven, one of
Speaker 3: the precursors for when we got him on the show
Speaker 3: was he didn't want to be asked the same old questions.
Speaker 3: So that was that was really amazing that you and
Speaker 3: I had worked but mostly you on questions for Raven
Speaker 3: to come up with ideas and things for him to
Speaker 3: actually think about. So, you know, I just want to
Speaker 3: give like a big hats off to you and everybody
Speaker 3: you know, should really really appreciate the fact that you
Speaker 3: and Skully have done a lot of work as far
Speaker 3: as finding these people. You've done a lot of work
Speaker 3: as far as interviewing these peop people, and you know,
Speaker 3: I just it amazes me. I think that you deserve
Speaker 3: a little break for a while, and so why don't
Speaker 3: you take a little break? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I uh, man, I really appreciate that. And I
Speaker 2: know Scully will appreciate that too. You know, he's uh,
Speaker 2: he's kind of stayed on the outside. He kind of
Speaker 2: feels weird about jumping in with some of these guys.
Speaker 2: Think he's a little shy honestly, but honestly great person
Speaker 2: and I'm really proud of him for helping me out
Speaker 2: with that as well.
Speaker 1: And we both help each other find.
Speaker 2: Some of these guys, and it's like, hey, what do
Speaker 2: you think about trying to get this dude, and like
Speaker 2: trying to figure out every way that we can contact
Speaker 2: some of these guys, and it can be a real
Speaker 2: pain and sometimes the research it can be insane, looking
Speaker 2: up every little thing that we can to find something
Speaker 2: that nobody's really asked about before, or try to find
Speaker 2: something that would be interesting to ask about. It really,
Speaker 2: uh means a lot for you to say that about.
Speaker 3: It, But yeah, you know, in ways, you're you're you're
Speaker 3: my hero. Okay, my nephew is my hero. So it's you.
Speaker 3: You followed in your uncle's steps as far as loving wrestling,
Speaker 3: and you're living in a Mason life. You're living in
Speaker 3: a foreign country, you're defending the country. You fix airplanes,
Speaker 3: you fix aircraft. I mean, you're doing something that is
Speaker 3: most of service that some of the people who listen
Speaker 3: to the show will never understand or have the opportunity
Speaker 3: to do so. For that, I applaud you you're my hero.
Speaker 2: Thanks man, and I do think I'll take you up
Speaker 2: on that break here soon, probably take a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks off just to relax, decompress, not think about everything
Speaker 2: all at once instead of, you know, dealing with work
Speaker 2: life and this at the same time and just kind
Speaker 2: of doing a round robin every day. It kind of
Speaker 2: felt like, for a little bit, just I get this
Speaker 2: done today, get that done. Am I stepping into the
Speaker 2: next role that I need to And it could be
Speaker 2: a little backbreaking at times, but honestly, it felt worth it,
Speaker 2: and it's very rewarding now that a lot of it
Speaker 2: is over. But I don't want to keep talking about
Speaker 2: this too much.
Speaker 1: Guys. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a side conversation there, But we're
Speaker 2: gonna get into the royal rumble.
Speaker 1: So let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Man. Let's give the people what they're paying or not
Speaker 2: paying to hear either way. I don't blame you guys
Speaker 2: for that. So let's start off with the woman's royal rumble.
Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Going into it?
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody knew Charlotte was coming back. That was
Speaker 3: a worse kept secret than Penta coming in so I
Speaker 3: kind of felt that she was gonna win it like
Speaker 3: this seriously felt like Vince was talking into Triple H's ear.
Speaker 3: As far as booking this, think, honestly, the person I
Speaker 3: wanted to see when it was Selena Vega. I think
Speaker 3: that she's incredibly talented. She's incredible, I mean, just an incredible,
Speaker 3: incredible manager and wrestler and performer. And I just don't
Speaker 3: see why they didn't give her a shot because at
Speaker 3: this point, Player's done it all. Does she really need
Speaker 3: to match her dad with sixteen world championships? Come on on,
Speaker 3: we don't need that. Also, some thoughts I had from
Speaker 3: it real quick is, uh, Piper Nivin, I'm not a
Speaker 3: fan of the whole wrestling talk show thing. I mean
Speaker 3: it works maybe one segment, but not multiple segments in
Speaker 3: the night, and they kind of dumbed it down. But
Speaker 3: wouldn't it be awesome if Piper Nevin brought back Piper's Pit?
Speaker 3: No one has How has nobody thought of this yet?
Speaker 3: How has nobody said that's a great idea, Piper Kniven
Speaker 3: Piper's Pit. Now, maybe Roddy Piper's family or a state
Speaker 3: won't allow that because it was trademarked or something to
Speaker 3: that degree. However, I think that would be really awesome
Speaker 3: for her and that could boost her career quite a bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I can say that's that's just an idea. But anyway,
Speaker 3: as I was watching it, I saw a lot of sorry, folks,
Speaker 3: I'm changing up my garbage right now. I saw a
Speaker 3: lot of really talented women go over that top rope
Speaker 3: and the predictability of Charlotte. It just it didn't do
Speaker 3: anything for me. And I'm a big Charlotte fan, but
Speaker 3: oh geez, you know, I just don't get why we
Speaker 3: have to put her over and have her headline in
Speaker 3: WrestleMania one more time when she's had so much times
Speaker 3: she's been in the spotlight. We get that she's a
Speaker 3: top star. It's just very very sketched me. The other
Speaker 3: people I would have put over in this lived Morgan,
Speaker 3: because she's worked her tail off and it's a beautiful
Speaker 3: tale to get where she is. And I really appreciate
Speaker 3: that Zoe Stark just because I think that they cooled
Speaker 3: their engines on her for no good reason. And I
Speaker 3: think Zoe Stark could have been something for WrestleMania and
Speaker 3: maybe uh Raquel Robergos. So, you know, Jordan Grace, it's
Speaker 3: too early. It's too early, and I think it would
Speaker 3: be a slap in the face to everyone in the
Speaker 3: woman's division for Jordan Grace to take it right away.
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan, a huge fan of first However,
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of someone taking spotlight right away.
Speaker 3: So I think that they did the right thing with
Speaker 3: her just sticking around, having some eliminations things like that.
Speaker 3: I think that the real money is going to be
Speaker 3: Jordan Grace against being Uncle beell Air. Just two powerhouses going.
Speaker 3: It's like a female hoss mash match. I should say,
Speaker 3: Naya Jacks, what were your thoughts on Nia Jackson this one?
Speaker 2: So I'm really not Anyjacks fan. I'm very open about that,
Speaker 2: and you know, I feel like the shouldn't be a problem.
Speaker 2: If anybody disagrees that, I really don't care. That's just
Speaker 2: my opinion. I'm not really a fan of her, but
Speaker 2: I do think that if she were to have won
Speaker 2: the match, at least this is kind of understandable for
Speaker 2: storyline purposes, like, Okay, she's pursuing the title that she
Speaker 2: just lost. Cool, this makes some sense. It would align
Speaker 2: kind of well because now she gets that chance to
Speaker 2: go after Tiffany for the title again. But realistically, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I've never been impressed with Nia Jack's performances.
Speaker 2: She can be a heel, but that's just because I
Speaker 2: already don't like her. That's kind of a problem. It's
Speaker 2: not even like heel heat. It's go away heat to me.
Speaker 1: So I really am not a fan of hers.
Speaker 2: And her performance was okay. I didn't think her eliminating
Speaker 2: like half of the rumble was really necessary.
Speaker 1: In that one move. I thought it was just kind
Speaker 1: of not there. That's not how that should have went.
Speaker 2: But otherwise, I will say, there's a lot of names
Speaker 2: that I feel like I would have been okay with
Speaker 2: winning the Women's Royal Rumble, but there's a lot of
Speaker 2: names that I would not have okay with honestly. So
Speaker 2: first off, the Big Veterans Returns, we had Tris Stratus. Now,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have wanted her to win, just because, well,
Speaker 2: let's face it, she's well past her prime and her
Speaker 2: wrestling days are kind of behind her. I think it's
Speaker 2: time for her to just keep putting the spot on
Speaker 2: it and others, and that's what she did, and I'm
Speaker 2: very happy with that. But then you have Nicki Bella
Speaker 2: coming out. I'm like, who asked for this?
Speaker 3: No? But when? When? When was Nicki Bella really a wrestler?
Speaker 3: And I know everybody's gonna be like eight it was
Speaker 3: between two thousand. No, she was guarded, she was pants,
Speaker 3: she was terrible in the rain. Everybody knows that she
Speaker 3: was made fun of her, how many botches she would make,
Speaker 3: and how badly scripted and how she would like say
Speaker 3: what she was gonna do.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody knows this, and so somebody out there
Speaker 2: is gonna say, oh, it's a Hall of Famer. Okay,
Speaker 2: so it is Drew Carey. Is he a great wrestler?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Pete Rose, I mean, come on, it's so silly,
Speaker 3: like let's let's not like bathe ourselves and oh they're
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer this or that. The other fact
Speaker 3: is that was like it was leaked that she might
Speaker 3: be back. But did anybody care because my answers, no,
Speaker 3: she got a pop because they just wanted to see
Speaker 3: her wiggler booty and walk to the ring and do
Speaker 3: two or three really bad moves and then just get
Speaker 3: thrown over. Also, though, what did you think of Stephanie
Speaker 3: the coour? I think I'm saying that right here.
Speaker 2: I yeah, how exactly to say her name? I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie. I I probably watched it too, but I
Speaker 2: think she's a very good performer.
Speaker 1: This match, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It didn't really feel like you saw a whole lot
Speaker 2: of her highlighted, so I can't really say, but I've
Speaker 2: seen her work prior to this, and I think that
Speaker 2: she is a great performer this match. Honestly, well, this
Speaker 2: is how I feel about most larger numbered contestant matches
Speaker 2: like this. I feel like it puts a spotlight on
Speaker 2: somebody for like five seconds, and then it pulls to
Speaker 2: somebody else. So I feel like everybody pretty much gets
Speaker 2: a very slim look at their talent. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: see all that much out of it. But overall, it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily a bad thing. It's just another one of
Speaker 2: those gimmicks to get people in seats, and it's okay,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with that. I actually enjoyed most of
Speaker 2: this women's match, except for as soon as that number
Speaker 2: thirty hit and here comes Nicki Bell.
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, man, seriously.
Speaker 2: But the overall match wasn't bad necessarily, I will say
Speaker 2: it's relatively good, but I feel like it could have
Speaker 2: been a lot of others that should have won. I
Speaker 2: don't hate Charlot Flair by any means. I think she's
Speaker 2: very talented, but at the same time, I feel that
Speaker 2: the Undertaker was extremely talented, but he was not a
Speaker 2: champion every five seconds. Also, the fact that she has
Speaker 2: fourteen championships already, does she really need another one right now?
Speaker 2: I think she should be, you know, letting someone else
Speaker 2: take the spotlight right now. It seems a little ridiculous
Speaker 2: that she's already at fourteen and how many years she
Speaker 2: been wrestling. It's nowhere near her father's legacy. It's just
Speaker 2: kind of rushed. It feels like, and I get it.
Speaker 2: They're probably trying to do it because it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it seems like women wrestlers don't really like last as
Speaker 2: long career wise as men do. So maybe that was
Speaker 2: their thinking, was like, Okay, we're gonna try to rush
Speaker 2: it so that she can beat his record. But it's
Speaker 2: not going that well with the fans. A lot of
Speaker 2: fans are like, Okay, we get it, you're the best
Speaker 2: blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Who cares.
Speaker 2: I think even Alexa Bliss cut a promo want Her
Speaker 2: like that a long time ago, and it was pretty funny.
Speaker 2: But the point being, I just don't think who was
Speaker 2: necessarily right instantly come back, instantly win. Sometimes it works,
Speaker 2: but that's when the crowd's already really behind you. And
Speaker 2: if you guys check, he got pretty badly ratioed on
Speaker 2: YouTube for who is actually liking and disliking this one?
Speaker 2: It's not very much a great reviews favor so it
Speaker 2: is what it is. I don't hate this, but I
Speaker 2: will say I'm not.
Speaker 1: Really for Charlotte winning.
Speaker 2: I think it could have went to a lot of
Speaker 2: other stars who could have used this push.
Speaker 1: And really, even if it's.
Speaker 2: Just for that WrestleMania moment to get there, push a
Speaker 2: little bit higher and they still lose the match, it's
Speaker 2: still okay. You just had a you know, title match Mania.
Speaker 1: Who cares.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of names that could have been in there.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I would have been okay with seeing
Speaker 2: Bailey in there. I would have even been okay with
Speaker 2: seeing Nia Jacks win it. And I'm not a fan
Speaker 2: of hers. That's kind of sad, but it is what
Speaker 2: it is. What it at least made some storyline sense,
Speaker 2: and I would have said, okay, fair enough, hands off.
Speaker 3: Well looking looking over the participants, some people that I
Speaker 3: thought would be like I said, I thought that, you know,
Speaker 3: Jordan Grace, it would it was too early. Raquel Rodriguez
Speaker 3: would have been fun. Not Piper Kniven. I think she's
Speaker 3: she's great and she's an entertainer, but her time is
Speaker 3: about a year from now, a year from now, and
Speaker 3: they can build a storyline around her. I think that
Speaker 3: she'll have something. Shanna Basler, how about Shanna Basler, the
Speaker 3: woman that retired round to Rousey, you know from from WWE,
Speaker 3: that is a great winner. Zelena Vega. Zelena Vega to
Speaker 3: me is still the one that I really want to see.
Speaker 3: And I also want to say a welcome back to
Speaker 3: elect A Bliss because I'm a big fan of a
Speaker 3: Lexa Bliss. For as small and petite as she is,
Speaker 3: she is an amazing performer. And if people don't remember,
Speaker 3: you know her her run at the top of the
Speaker 3: car when she was the Woman's Champion, especially when she
Speaker 3: was going against Rowsy and she e vicerated Ronda Rowsey.
Speaker 1: On the MIC.
Speaker 3: I mean a vicerated her with promos. I don't see
Speaker 3: how you couldn't say, okay, she could be the top.
Speaker 3: But so out of this, who do you think look
Speaker 3: the strongest? Or who do you think look the weakest?
Speaker 3: Or you know, look Maxine dupri Do I think she'll
Speaker 3: ever do anything?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: You know, Bailey shyes, she should have done something, but
Speaker 3: Basler obviously should have done something. Natalia Natalia is way
Speaker 3: past her prime and she's so good though, but she
Speaker 3: enhances so much talent. And I'm not saying she's an
Speaker 3: enhancement talent. She just anybody she's in the ring with,
Speaker 3: she makes that much better. She was trained by to Hearts.
Speaker 3: They know how to train people, so, you know, but
Speaker 3: you have to look at realistically, who's gonna win this,
Speaker 3: who's not gonna win this? Who belongs in this? Who
Speaker 3: does not belong in this? And everybody knew Jordan Grace
Speaker 3: was going to be there. It was just a matter
Speaker 3: of time. And as far as she goes like that
Speaker 3: girl is, she's a year away, just like Piper Niven is.
Speaker 3: I think that the two of them could write a
Speaker 3: great story one year out and have like one of
Speaker 3: the greatest female matches ever. I know I sound crazy
Speaker 3: when I say this, but I really do because Jordan
Speaker 3: Grace is strong as hell and Piper Niven, for her size,
Speaker 3: is agile as hell, and I think that Piper has
Speaker 3: a lot more to offer than people think. So but
Speaker 3: you know, I'm looking at even Sonya Deville could have
Speaker 3: done something more in this. This is just it makes
Speaker 3: no sense to put it on Charlotte again. So that's
Speaker 3: how I feel about that, and that's it was a
Speaker 3: great female royal rumble, but it was a really bad result.
Speaker 3: It makes no sense just to keep going to the
Speaker 3: same well. If the well is dry, you dig a
Speaker 3: new hole, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, I kind of felt like I am
Speaker 2: a fan of Roxane Perez. I honestly feel like she
Speaker 2: could have been a okay choice for it.
Speaker 1: I would have been fully supporting that.
Speaker 2: There's some of these talents where I'm thinking, okay, still
Speaker 2: NXT not quite there yet. Like you said, Jordan Grace,
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I'd say about a year out,
Speaker 2: maybe even a little bit less time, but I'm not
Speaker 2: going to put it past like seven eight months I
Speaker 2: think would be reasonable to become potential champion, but not
Speaker 2: anything than that, just because I know that she is talented.
Speaker 2: She was in TNA for years and she's one of
Speaker 2: those people that I could watch most of her matches
Speaker 2: and be okay with. I mean, I kind of felt
Speaker 2: bad for in TNA. Where for to end before she left.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Tae brings back Tessa blanchert and
Speaker 2: rumor has it she did not want to work with Tessa.
Speaker 2: It kind of shows maybe there's a little bit of
Speaker 2: a heat there.
Speaker 1: But you know, I have no sources on that.
Speaker 2: Besides what we read that you know there's tension that
Speaker 2: she did not want to work with her.
Speaker 1: I have no sources to site really with that.
Speaker 2: But still being said, I do think that both have
Speaker 2: a shot there between rox and Emperez and Jordan Grace.
Speaker 1: But it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Charlotte Flair got it, you know what. We'll see where
Speaker 2: it goes. She even made her decision yet.
Speaker 3: For who she wants to face, No, I would think so.
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't have a chance to watch raw
Speaker 3: last night. I'm a busy man. We're all busy men,
Speaker 3: so and ladies out there by the way, We're not discriminating,
Speaker 3: but you know, I also look at like the people
Speaker 3: who like Naomi, why just why, I get it that
Speaker 3: you're married to one of the Smoans and they love
Speaker 3: the Smoans, so but one of the Oos, I believe.
Speaker 3: But I don't want to see Naomi like competing in
Speaker 3: a WWE ring if it's gonna be the so called
Speaker 3: hierarchy of professional wrestling, Like Naomi does nothing for me.
Speaker 3: I people like she's been there forever. Bob Holly was
Speaker 3: in WWE forever and he never wore the men's championship,
Speaker 3: and I believe Naomi has. And it's just like she
Speaker 3: still does Diva era moves that they call it a
Speaker 3: hip check, but it was the rear end and it just,
Speaker 3: you know, I look at that. I look at Canvas
Speaker 3: Loray like she's not there on that tier yet she
Speaker 3: needs to spend some time down to next t I
Speaker 3: like her as a performer and as an appearance, However,
Speaker 3: I don't like her as a wrestling performer. Bfab. I mean,
Speaker 3: she had no chance. Come on, I still think Chelsea
Speaker 3: Green should have had a chance. But that's how I
Speaker 3: feel about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree there, I mean, I kind of feel
Speaker 2: like Naomi is it's almost like the last of the
Speaker 2: Diva's era before her, I want to say, it was
Speaker 2: Alicia Fox and then Naomi's like the last one really
Speaker 2: raining at this point. That's like still doing the diva
Speaker 2: moves and everything. And then when they brought back Eva
Speaker 2: Marie for like what a month or two, then it
Speaker 2: was like, oh great, here we go again.
Speaker 3: But he got Nikki Bella.
Speaker 2: I mean she's not so you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: I know, I know, just being facetious, that's fair. I mean,
Speaker 2: we can always have fun with that. But anyways, so
Speaker 2: we could just go ahead and table that for now.
Speaker 2: So actually, I want to give one quick shout out
Speaker 2: because I got into the discord for everybody that's on
Speaker 2: the Patreon and everything, and honestly, that was a really
Speaker 2: fun time. Everybody that was in there during this whole event.
Speaker 2: We were all having a lot of fun just talking
Speaker 2: during this and you know, I appreciate all you guys.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: So yeah, shout out to everybody that was in the discord.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so the next match was WWE Tag Team
Speaker 2: Championship between MotorCity machine Guns and DIY and man, I've
Speaker 2: been a Motor City Machine Guns fan since probably like
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. They are one of those teams
Speaker 2: that I could watch at almost any point and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be impressed this match.
Speaker 1: It was okay.
Speaker 2: I'm not really a fan of interference finishes at almost
Speaker 2: any point. I understand for storylines it does help drive
Speaker 2: certain things, but there's gonna be that part of me
Speaker 2: that's like, this's the MotorCity Machine Guns. I'm nostalgic with them.
Speaker 2: I don't like seeing them lose that much, but dy not.
Speaker 1: A bad team. I kind of like them.
Speaker 2: I think that they're good, but it's gonna be that
Speaker 2: nostalgic feeling.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have that bias from the beginning.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie I have a bias towards MotorCity
Speaker 2: Machine Guns because they are kind of half of what
Speaker 2: kept me interested in wrestling at one point. Because I
Speaker 2: must say, it was like around two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: two nine, and where are starting to get bored of it?
Speaker 2: Switch channel to TNA and I'm seeing Jayleethal doing springboards
Speaker 2: in the ring, hitting the ropes and coming back. I'm
Speaker 2: seeing MORTC Machine Guns doing suicide dives. I got back
Speaker 2: into it because of these guys, so kind of have
Speaker 2: them to thank for sitting in this seat and making
Speaker 2: this podcast.
Speaker 1: Now with you there, Michael, So what'd you think of
Speaker 1: the match man.
Speaker 3: Too much Hot Potato with the tag titles? First of all,
Speaker 3: MotorCity wins the tag titles on their very first day
Speaker 3: in the company, which cool. It's a great way to
Speaker 3: blow the roof off the place. However, for them to
Speaker 3: lose the titles almost immediately, what weeks?
Speaker 1: A month?
Speaker 3: Two months? Maybe a month? It Yeah, and it didn't
Speaker 3: even feel like two months because we're used to episodic TV.
Speaker 3: We all felt like it was just a week. It
Speaker 3: really felt like a week. So this is it made
Speaker 3: sense to keep the titles on DIY, to keep them more,
Speaker 3: to keep the titles more important and prevalent. However, I mean,
Speaker 3: it was just I love the machine guns. I love
Speaker 3: MotorCity machine guns. They are just amazing, amazing tag team.
Speaker 3: And all the hype they did for them, all the
Speaker 3: the pre recorded everything that they did to you know,
Speaker 3: make sure that you knew that the machine guns were
Speaker 3: coming once again, another not well kept secret. I just
Speaker 3: didn't understand why they had to drop the titles, and
Speaker 3: then now they have to go for the titles again,
Speaker 3: but they lose to a team. Look, I've got pictures
Speaker 3: with Di I Y. I've met those guys. They're very,
Speaker 3: very nice and I don't know if I've ever shown
Speaker 3: you that, but pictures of me and Johnny and tomasco Champ.
Speaker 3: I think, great guys. I don't understand why that they're
Speaker 3: they're making this program as prevalent as it is with
Speaker 3: the fact of it would have been more if the
Speaker 3: machine Guns lost it on of three to DIY tonight
Speaker 3: or when it happened, as opposed to them trying to
Speaker 3: get it back. So what's your thoughts on that psychology?
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes a lot of sense, and you know,
Speaker 2: now that I think about it, I'm starting to think
Speaker 2: maybe they want to try to push for Areway Tag match.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're trying to kind of recreate that old school
Speaker 2: parties Dudley's and Christian and Edge kind of Trio tag
Speaker 2: match sort of thing. Well not Trio's tag but you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, three different tag teams at the
Speaker 2: same time. So maybe there's a chance that they're trying
Speaker 2: to push for that. I could see them trying maybe
Speaker 2: not for like a TLC sort of match again. But
Speaker 2: maybe they're trying to really open up the tag division
Speaker 2: a little bit more with this. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I do kind of agree with you. They should have
Speaker 2: done it differently, and yeah, losing the titles to them
Speaker 2: that way would have made a little bit more sense.
Speaker 2: And I'm just not a fan of interfering. Uh finishes
Speaker 2: when it comes down to tag matches, especially unless it's
Speaker 2: like their manager or something. Then it kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. That's what a manager should be doing.
Speaker 2: Your tag team partner should be the one that's jumping
Speaker 2: in and breaking up the pins and everything.
Speaker 1: That's how it should be.
Speaker 2: No matter what, I don't like seeing anybody else do
Speaker 2: any kind of interference during a tag mag It kind
Speaker 2: of ruins it for me, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 3: No, I get you on that, you know. And so
Speaker 3: as far as the street profits, but let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: What First of all, Dawkins is in great shape. He's
Speaker 3: in probably the best shape I've ever seen him in
Speaker 3: his life.
Speaker 2: Oh agreed, He's definitely uh looks like he slimmed down
Speaker 2: a little bit, and I'm kind of impressed, honestly.
Speaker 3: And everybody talks about like, you know, Montes Ford's a
Speaker 3: future world champion. I get news for you. He's not.
Speaker 3: He's not, you know. And they said the same thing
Speaker 3: about Edgy's too skinny. But no, Dawkins, they're excuse me,
Speaker 3: Ford is not going to be a future world champion.
Speaker 3: I don't see it now. I could be wrong because
Speaker 3: we got to look at our main event tonight, but
Speaker 3: brass tacks and baseball bats. When it comes down to it,
Speaker 3: Ford is a like one trick pony. He was the
Speaker 3: better of the two. He was the Shawn Michaels versus
Speaker 3: Dawkins as the Marty Jeanetty. And I hate to say
Speaker 3: that because Dawkins, if you're listening, I do think that
Speaker 3: you're a very talented person, and I really think that
Speaker 3: you getting yourself into great shape means a lot. But
Speaker 3: the fact is, if you've been saddled with this tag
Speaker 3: team gimmick this long and they haven't done a split up,
Speaker 3: you're gonna be there for life. It's just foregone. You're
Speaker 3: going to be there for life. So but with their
Speaker 3: interference and that being like what happened and then the
Speaker 3: beat down at the end, what was your feeling about
Speaker 3: the beat down at the end.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't really necessary at least I didn't feel
Speaker 2: like it was.
Speaker 1: And I'm just not a fan of it. I am.
Speaker 2: I don't really know where to put my feelings for it,
Speaker 2: because it's like it just felt strange to watch, I
Speaker 2: mean for me anyways, I'm not so I like the
Speaker 2: Street Profits to an extent, but just the way that
Speaker 2: the match went, I.
Speaker 1: Just didn't really understand it. What about you men?
Speaker 3: Basically the same way like my What killed me with
Speaker 3: the Street Profits years ago was the fact that the
Speaker 3: team was overexposed. And this is when the whole like,
Speaker 3: you know, montes Ford is going to be the next
Speaker 3: WWE champion and everything else, and he does these crazy
Speaker 3: jumps and everything else. Honestly, and I hate to say this, folks,
Speaker 3: he was a Portman's version of ar Fox. And if
Speaker 3: you don't know who ar Fox is, he is on
Speaker 3: AW and he does some crazy stuff too. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just it is what it is, okay, And they
Speaker 3: mimicked that when they put that into montes Ford. Now
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's not a terrific athlete or he's
Speaker 3: not a terrific performer. I just think that he's very
Speaker 3: overrated and for them to bank on that for so long,
Speaker 3: thinking that, you know, Ford was just going to be
Speaker 3: this guy that was going to be so innovative. They
Speaker 3: screwed up on that, and the fact that you know
Speaker 3: they put they overexposed Bianca too. That's why she's played
Speaker 3: hot Potato with the belt quite a few times. She
Speaker 3: always looks like gold when she comes out of it.
Speaker 3: But let's be honest here. You know, you never say,
Speaker 3: oh my god, that Bianca bel air match, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: did you ever see that? It's just it's her presence
Speaker 3: and her charisma as opposed to an actual incredible match.
Speaker 3: So that's what I have with that. But the point is,
Speaker 3: I just wish it's two out of three so you
Speaker 3: don't need interference. Yeah, I mean, I hate to say
Speaker 3: they could use the old good you know, Lucky roll
Speaker 3: up the Move of Doom and its Dangerous movie WWE exactly.
Speaker 3: So that's where I am with that. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: rambling a little bit, but I'm just trying to be
Speaker 3: honest on how I feel. So, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: So let's move on to the next one, because I
Speaker 2: don't know, I feel like that match just doesn't really
Speaker 2: have anything else to be said about it. But so
Speaker 2: the next match being the undisputed WWE Championship, a ladder match,
Speaker 2: ah Man Cody Roads versus Kevin owens Man. Is it
Speaker 2: me or did they feel like did this feel like
Speaker 2: they were trying to be too extreme to an extent?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely absolutely, And while it was cool and it
Speaker 3: was fun, and yeah, they tried to be a little
Speaker 3: too extreme. Kevin got split open pretty bad. That was
Speaker 3: just insane. And did you notice, and this is my
Speaker 3: most happy moment of this whole thing, they never did
Speaker 3: the slow ladder crawl.
Speaker 2: So I noticed there was no slow ladder crawl, but
Speaker 2: I noticed that Cody Roads at the very end was
Speaker 2: on top of the ladder for a long time before
Speaker 2: he actually pulled the belt down.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know what that was all about. I
Speaker 3: really don't, but you know, I just appreciate the fact
Speaker 3: that they didn't insult our intelligence with the slow ladder crawl, Like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm so fatigued, but I just gave a guy like
Speaker 3: five body slams and two backbreakers. You know, it's like
Speaker 3: what And I just found it really really amazing that
Speaker 3: they didn't do the slow ladder crawl. They found ways
Speaker 3: around it. I love the fact that they broke out
Speaker 3: the baby ladder. What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: The baby ladder?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was like that was actually the
Speaker 2: best parton my I think, and just the fact that
Speaker 2: they made use of one as well, Like there's no
Speaker 2: way it could possibly be used to actually climb up
Speaker 2: for that, so they found a way, and you know what,
Speaker 2: it was better than.
Speaker 1: MLW's a barbed wire ladder. I'll give it that.
Speaker 2: But yeah about that. The only time that I've ever
Speaker 2: seen a believable slow climb was Jeff Hardy versus Under
Speaker 2: Or two thousand and two. But that's because Jeff Hardy
Speaker 2: was taking such a beating the whole match, so then
Speaker 2: him like crawling up the ladder, he.
Speaker 1: Just looked beat up. So it made sense.
Speaker 3: So I think that that was the double turn. That's
Speaker 3: my favorite face face, the heel turn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And it made sense like, Okay, a small
Speaker 2: guy just got his butt kicked, he's got a second
Speaker 2: to climb the ladder. Yeah he doesn't look too good.
Speaker 2: He's really going slow up it. It makes sense there,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm kind of glad that they really did
Speaker 2: well with this match and it was good.
Speaker 1: But to an extent, it felt.
Speaker 2: Like they were trying too hard to be extreme, and
Speaker 2: to an extent that can be great. In other ways,
Speaker 2: it can be absolutely terrible. I mean a lot of
Speaker 2: people made fun of AW for that when they did
Speaker 2: certain things. But you know, I don't want to be
Speaker 2: that kind of guy to say, oh, well, wwe can
Speaker 2: do it, but AW can't. It's kind of hypocritical to
Speaker 2: be that way, and I hate that. But I did
Speaker 2: think they did well certain things and it was enjoyable.
Speaker 2: They really tried their best on this, and I'll give
Speaker 2: him credit. I think Kevin owns he was a great performer.
Speaker 2: I want to see him as a world champion at
Speaker 2: some point, but I don't know if now was the time.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you.
Speaker 3: Man, it's definitely not the time for him. I mean,
Speaker 3: they got to cool him off for a little bit.
Speaker 3: He's been the champion a few times, so obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: putting a belt on him doesn't really mean that much
Speaker 3: at this point. I hate to say it like that,
Speaker 3: but to be a performer, to do what he does
Speaker 3: every night insanely, I mean I really thought he was
Speaker 3: dead after that Alabama slam. I really thought he was
Speaker 3: dead at the end, and I was. And then when
Speaker 3: they picked him up, even Cody did the hand squeeze
Speaker 3: if you if you guys rewatch, there's the hand squeeze,
Speaker 3: which it means I'm okay, and it's a it's a
Speaker 3: kfa thing that people do, and the referees were doing it.
Speaker 3: I mean, they had all kinds of people out there.
Speaker 3: They thought he was dead, and I really thought his
Speaker 3: neck is broken, like I thought he was dead, and then,
Speaker 3: you know, to continue the match. I don't know the
Speaker 3: pain he went through, but I don't want to. I
Speaker 3: don't want to feel that kind of pain. So for
Speaker 3: the effort, I give an A. For execution, I give
Speaker 3: it a B be minus because it was too much extreme. Yeah. So,
Speaker 3: and how do you have a street fight when you're
Speaker 3: not in the street, right, I mean, they could have
Speaker 3: pre taped this and had it take place outside, and
Speaker 3: you know, we could we could have got just we
Speaker 3: could have had just as great of any kind of
Speaker 3: result that we did.
Speaker 2: So I kind of agree and disagree on that one,
Speaker 2: because then that takes away from everybody that's in the
Speaker 2: stadium actually watching the show. I would not want to
Speaker 2: watch that on a big screen in front of me
Speaker 2: if it was pre taped that I would not be
Speaker 2: a fan of that. Just my opinion personally, But fair enough,
Speaker 2: we can disagree on that kind of stuff, and that's
Speaker 2: kind of what's nice about being on these kind of shows. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 2: but yeah, so Kevin Owen's very talented. And uh, I'll
Speaker 2: be honest. The first time that I ever saw Cody
Speaker 2: Rhodes really do anything extreme was when he was in
Speaker 2: Ring of Honor and I remember watching it was Matt
Speaker 2: Tavan versus Cody Rhoads matches of the Craft twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: First show I ever went to everybody, So while we
Speaker 2: were there, it was me and your brother Tim were
Speaker 2: in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 1: While we're watching the show.
Speaker 2: It was a first blood match Matt Tavan Cody Rhodes
Speaker 2: for I want to say, it was the TV title
Speaker 2: or something, And I remember the finish actually was entertaining
Speaker 2: and I really liked watching it just because they did
Speaker 2: all this extreme stuff. But then the ending was Matt
Speaker 2: Taven came running at Cody Rhods with the belt, Cody
Speaker 2: Roads punches the belt goes down. He's like holding his
Speaker 2: hand and like in a ball for a second, and
Speaker 2: then you can tell he's doing something to his hands,
Speaker 2: like you know, KFA show stuff.
Speaker 1: You kind of look away from.
Speaker 2: It just to keep the disbelief.
Speaker 1: Alive or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: He gets up, he starts punching, even in the face,
Speaker 2: and then the ref picks up his hand. Everybody thinks
Speaker 2: Cody won, and then then announcer says winner of this match,
Speaker 2: Matt Taban.
Speaker 1: Then you see.
Speaker 2: Cody's hand is bleeding. It was pretty cool finish, I thought.
Speaker 2: So that was the first time I ever saw Cody
Speaker 2: do something extreme, and this was cool.
Speaker 1: But just not the same level. I thought this was
Speaker 1: too far.
Speaker 2: Honestly, in a few ways, I thought it was a
Speaker 2: little too dangerous for them.
Speaker 1: But you know what a foreffort.
Speaker 2: I do think B minus for execution, though I do
Speaker 2: agree with that one hundred even though the baby left. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes a little less is more, and that this is
Speaker 2: a case where a little less is more exactly.
Speaker 3: So you know, they made their point. If this feud
Speaker 3: keeps going, when you know, maybe this is I think
Speaker 3: this is their way of giving Kevin Owens some time
Speaker 3: off the family and whatever else, maybe needs a surgery, whatever.
Speaker 3: But the point is if if he is really needing
Speaker 3: time off, like there's there was, this could have been
Speaker 3: like five minutes sooner. This match could have been shaped
Speaker 3: five minutes off and you didn't have to have as
Speaker 3: many high spots. And like I said that Alabama slam,
Speaker 3: I mean that made me sick. And I'm not like,
Speaker 3: how do I put it. I'm not trying to talk
Speaker 3: trash about it. Just the way his head hit, I
Speaker 3: really thought he had broken his neck and died, and
Speaker 3: I was just like, wow, I'm watching an unfortunate manslaughter
Speaker 3: on TV.
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, I hear you.
Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with being concerned with your fellow
Speaker 2: man saying it made you sick. I understand you don't
Speaker 2: mean it like in a bad way. You mean it like, hey,
Speaker 2: I was concerned at that point for that dude. He
Speaker 2: it looked like absolutely broke something. That's not nothing negative
Speaker 2: about that. But anyways, we can table that one as well.
Speaker 2: So last match of the night, the thirty man Royal
Speaker 2: Rumble match.
Speaker 1: Now, before we.
Speaker 2: Get too into it, I do want to say it
Speaker 2: felt too predetermined for something that's supposed to be random
Speaker 2: people coming out one at a time. And I understand
Speaker 2: the whole thing is predetermined. I get it, but like
Speaker 2: you start off with two lucidors, specifically, when they keep
Speaker 2: comparing them every week, and then towards the end you
Speaker 2: have all these huge name stars all at.
Speaker 1: The same time. It feels like, isn't this supposed to.
Speaker 2: Be like a drawing sort of thing where they go
Speaker 2: and they get a number handed to them, like oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, doing the bingo thing or whatever with all
Speaker 2: the balls inside the cage, and then it rolls out
Speaker 2: and then it's like, oh, I'm number twenty eight or whatever. No,
Speaker 2: this felt very, very too exact and two put together.
Speaker 2: And it's not a huge problem to me, but it
Speaker 2: is kind of annoying, you know, it's not it just
Speaker 2: doesn't feel random enough to an extent. And I hate
Speaker 2: to say it that way, but it just felt so overproduced.
Speaker 3: What did you think, Oh, way overproduced, And for everybody's
Speaker 3: expectations going into this and all the rumors of who
Speaker 3: might be coming back, who might be the surprise entrance,
Speaker 3: it was it fizzled. It fizzled out really really hard.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know who I show speed is.
Speaker 3: But I'm also fifty years old, so you know, for
Speaker 3: him to go out that that was stupid, that was
Speaker 3: just inane. For Logan Paul to be the last entrant,
Speaker 3: that was inane. I mean, you're getting booed that bad.
Speaker 3: No one wants to see you in the ring right now.
Speaker 3: You have to work a program, a proper program, and
Speaker 3: for you to be number thirty when people are hoping
Speaker 3: that it would be some kind of legend or somebody
Speaker 3: who was actually important to wrestling period, it's kind of
Speaker 3: pathetic that Logan Paul was the last one to go in.
Speaker 3: And then I look at it and it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: we start out with Raymisterio and Penta. I mean it's awesome,
Speaker 3: but if you look at the beginning of the matches
Speaker 3: when they first started wrestling each other, I don't know
Speaker 3: who botched what, but it looked so so like incredibly
Speaker 3: scripted in the ring.
Speaker 2: Did you notice that, Yeah, everything felt really I don't know,
Speaker 2: it felt slow in the beginning, and I don't like
Speaker 2: to use that word for this, but it felt slow, overproduced.
Speaker 2: And I'll be honest with you, when you see two
Speaker 2: guys going at each other and then you see Pentas
Speaker 2: just sitting in the corner, just watching the whole thing,
Speaker 2: and we were talking about this a little bit of
Speaker 2: the discord, like, man, he wants no part of this.
Speaker 2: He's just grabbing some popcorn. He don't want to be
Speaker 2: anywhere near this one. I think it was a Roman
Speaker 2: and somebody, maybe Roman and Jacob or somebody like that.
Speaker 2: But either way, it was just like, man, is this
Speaker 2: even I don't know. It just felt too overproduced, too fake,
Speaker 2: and yeah, that kind of drove my opinion to this
Speaker 2: match down, So I agree with you there.
Speaker 3: All right. So looking at the people that were in
Speaker 3: this match, in this Royal Rumble, first of all, everybody
Speaker 3: knew Joe Hendry was gonna come out, and while he
Speaker 3: didn't eliminate anybody, and he got eliminated by Roman Reigns,
Speaker 3: and that got a big boo from the crowd, which
Speaker 3: I thought was amazing. Still, the fact that Joe Hendrick
Speaker 3: came out come on. But then I look at like
Speaker 3: people who shouldn't never like Tazawa, what was the point
Speaker 3: of that. It was just to put the I Show
Speaker 3: speed in there. That is a Vince McMahon going through
Speaker 3: Triple H's ear move. It's so stupid. I do not
Speaker 3: get it. It's like Tazowa would never have a chance,
Speaker 3: neither would Otis. But yet let's put Otis in the
Speaker 3: Royal Rumble because that makes sense. No, it doesn't. He's
Speaker 3: never gonna be a world champion. Trying to look at
Speaker 3: other people that, I mean, the Miz God, he shouldn't
Speaker 3: be in anything. And Dominic Mysterio he's cool, but and
Speaker 3: he grabs heel heat, but he's not a top name.
Speaker 3: He's not Okay, people will disagree with me on this,
Speaker 3: but honestly, he's a top heat getter. But do you
Speaker 3: really think if Dominic Mysterio and Roman Reigns locked up
Speaker 3: or Drew McIntyre that Dominic Mysterio would have a prayer
Speaker 3: in hell? Probably not sore they some of the people
Speaker 3: I was hoping that would be in this weren't. One
Speaker 3: person that really disappointed me. A person I'm big on
Speaker 3: and I think that has a very high ceiling is
Speaker 3: Ludvig Kaiser. I think that Ludvig Kaiser is way talented.
Speaker 3: There's a reason he's on TV every week. There's a
Speaker 3: reason he is very, very talented. And I just think
Speaker 3: that if they actually let him win once in a while,
Speaker 3: that this guy could draw a lot more money that
Speaker 3: they're even seeing. And his best money is going to
Speaker 3: be his baby face instead of a heel when he
Speaker 3: becomes a babyface. Holy biscuits, you're talking about a guy
Speaker 3: that has no potential because he has something. He has
Speaker 3: a look, he has a build, he has a wrestling
Speaker 3: acumen that is just amazing, and yet he's treated like
Speaker 3: terrible material every week. It was nice to see aj
Speaker 3: Styles back, you know, honestly, I who I wanted to
Speaker 3: see in the Rumble and you probably know this is
Speaker 3: Nick Oldis And well, if for all the listeners out there,
Speaker 3: if you've never seen Nick Oldis wrestle his matches with
Speaker 3: Cody for the NWA Championship, and I believe the first
Speaker 3: three all in just mind blowing, mind blowing, like Nick
Speaker 3: Oldis is a great wrestler, and so I'd like to
Speaker 3: see him in the ring one more time because he's
Speaker 3: younger than me. He's ten years younger than me, I
Speaker 3: think something like that, and he can just wrestle. You know,
Speaker 3: other people I think that shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Have been in.
Speaker 3: I mean, didn't I want to see Logan Paul in it.
Speaker 3: It was so stupid hav him come out number thirty.
Speaker 3: I get it, he's a tough guy, but he's a
Speaker 3: tough guy against limited people. I mean, sure he could
Speaker 3: probably beat my ass, but I mean, let's be honest,
Speaker 3: I don't see him slugging out with Drew McIntyre Roman Reigns.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't see him slugging out with Shinsky Nakamura.
Speaker 3: So you know it's or Jacob fat too, who had
Speaker 3: the most eliminations. By the way, that's valid.
Speaker 1: I mean personally, part of why.
Speaker 2: I say I think this match was overproduced. Number twenty
Speaker 2: nine was La Night and mean logan Paul, Yeah, SummerSlam.
Speaker 1: Guess who lost that match.
Speaker 2: So once again it's just overproduced to me because you
Speaker 2: know you got Sina, Punk Rollins all coming out in succession.
Speaker 2: It's like, come on, man, you're putting too much star
Speaker 2: power all at the end here.
Speaker 1: It kind of just who's too overdone?
Speaker 2: And personally, I don't know if you'll agree with this.
Speaker 2: I think they should have put aj Styles at number
Speaker 2: thirty if this is the roster they were going to keep,
Speaker 2: because then AJ Styles at thirty at least it's a return.
Speaker 2: If nothing else, that is a nice surprise for everybody
Speaker 2: no matter what. And hey, he doesn't have to win
Speaker 2: the match. Just because you're thirty doesn't mean you're automatically
Speaker 2: gonna win. Hey, Ray Mysterio was number two and he
Speaker 2: won the whole match before.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make a difference here.
Speaker 2: But I do agree with you don't or yeah, Dominic
Speaker 2: Mysterio is not quite on that level yet. Maybe in
Speaker 2: a couple of years, if he really bulks up, he
Speaker 2: could really make a name for himself. Or maybe if
Speaker 2: he really innovates his offense, he'll get a little bit better.
Speaker 1: I do think some.
Speaker 2: Of these names just didn't need to be there. I
Speaker 2: show speed did not need to be there. I'm tired
Speaker 2: of seeing YouTubers in WWE. It's one thing if they
Speaker 2: really put in the work. I give Logan Paul credit.
Speaker 2: He has put in the work and he has really
Speaker 2: been doing pretty well. His matches aren't bad, but he's
Speaker 2: got so much go away heat and I'm already.
Speaker 1: Not really a fan of the guy.
Speaker 2: Plus he has to use my first name againey Cloud.
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, but it is annoying whenever I hear that.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of the guy. I don't think
Speaker 2: he's the greatest. I don't think he really is going
Speaker 2: to be a world champion anytime soon, and if he is,
Speaker 2: that is a disservice to the fans by the company.
Speaker 1: And that's just how I feel now, Jay Uso winning.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of split on it, just because, well, between
Speaker 2: him and Sena, I kind of wanted to see Sina
Speaker 2: continue on his retirement tour and just be able to
Speaker 2: have that road to WrestleMania. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I'm glad that he is putting over the younger talent instead.
Speaker 2: Even if it's not the best talent to do that with,
Speaker 2: He's still doing the right thing as the soon to
Speaker 2: be a retired star and give it up for the
Speaker 2: next guy.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that he's doing it that way.
Speaker 2: But did you see Sina's face when he was standing
Speaker 2: out on the apron against Uso before he got eliminated
Speaker 2: and he like looked at the floor and then looked
Speaker 2: back at Jay. What the heck was that?
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I thought that was kind
Speaker 3: of a curiosity thing, and I'm like, what's going on here?
Speaker 3: And maybe it was just like a glitch in the
Speaker 3: floorboard floor boards or something like that. But I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I don't know what's going on there.
Speaker 3: But you know I I would have actually preferred Sina
Speaker 3: going over in this match. So we're gonna talk about
Speaker 3: main event Jayu so whereas I like to call him
Speaker 3: lame event Jayu. So. So his thing is called yeat,
Speaker 3: Well that's a slang for throwing things, So yeat, yeat,
Speaker 3: yeat that means throw, throw, throw, And it makes Pac
Speaker 3: McAfee look like an idiot every week when he gets
Speaker 3: up and just throws his arms up like it really
Speaker 3: idiotic human being. And so they do this like every week,
Speaker 3: and oh, he's selling so much merchandise and he's we
Speaker 3: put we put this on him because like he's so
Speaker 3: in touch with the fans. Well, if you look at
Speaker 3: when Fondongo would come out, people would do the Fondngo dance.
Speaker 3: So where's fon Dongo's royal rumble? I just I where's
Speaker 3: his win? I just don't know. I can't figure that
Speaker 3: one out. So honestly, I see this as lame event
Speaker 3: jay usso losing it resumting if he wins, it's a
Speaker 3: disservice to everything because he's lost every main event he's
Speaker 3: been in. I mean this, this guy's gotta lose his
Speaker 3: his entitlement to this, or he has to I don't know,
Speaker 3: there's there's something he has to prove. He couldn't beat
Speaker 3: Gunther excuse me, Walter, he couldn't beat him. He couldn't
Speaker 3: beat anybody on the main event. So for this to
Speaker 3: be the next step, it's just sad. This is pathetic.
Speaker 3: And I see like the twin exchange happening with this one,
Speaker 3: Like you know, like one twin swings the swing under
Speaker 3: the ring and then the other twin comes out. Maybe
Speaker 3: the dude the freebird rules with the twins. Are you
Speaker 3: listening to me? Wwe? I bet you are, And you
Speaker 3: know that's that's the way they might defend the belt,
Speaker 3: and so both twins are all of a sudden magically champions.
Speaker 3: This thing reeks. It stinks to high heaven, it does.
Speaker 3: I mean, it reeks a bad fish and bad potatoes.
Speaker 3: That's that's what I think about this. That's fair.
Speaker 2: I mean, Harmey was hoping that seem Punk this time
Speaker 2: around would have gotten his roll rumble wins so that
Speaker 2: he could have his WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: Main event like he's always wanted.
Speaker 2: Even if he wouldn't win it, I don't care, but
Speaker 2: the guys wanted, yeah exactly, let him have his one
Speaker 2: time for the one time. But I have this weird
Speaker 2: feeling that they're going to try to play this out
Speaker 2: a little bit more and have some sort of thing
Speaker 2: between Punk and Sina so that his last match will
Speaker 2: probably be against Punk. That's my thought on it and
Speaker 2: what I think is going to happen storyline wise next,
Speaker 2: just because I think that'd be probably with the best
Speaker 2: for business, unless they want to really put somebody else
Speaker 2: over and have seen a pass the Torch next. But
Speaker 2: I think rivalry wise, with everything that happened before Punk
Speaker 2: left with the title the first time, I think this
Speaker 2: would look pretty good at least on paper, But who say,
Speaker 2: what will happen in reality.
Speaker 1: At the moment. What do you think about that?
Speaker 3: It could work? It could really really work. It could
Speaker 3: headline next year's WrestleMania. However, I'm concentrating on this year's WrestleMania,
Speaker 3: and there's other people that we've kind of passed over.
Speaker 3: What about La Knight and the whole controversy with he
Speaker 3: and Logan Paul as far as all the other stars
Speaker 3: being really really peoed about that.
Speaker 1: Which controversy are you talking about specifically?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm a little bit out of the loop,
Speaker 2: but I'm kind of trying to catch up, guys.
Speaker 1: It's hard being in the UK and trying to watch
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you guys, just because that
Speaker 2: means I have to either stay up super late or
Speaker 2: I've got to catch up after work. So can you
Speaker 2: please enlighten me on that?
Speaker 3: So Drew McIntyre was removed or he got dumped out
Speaker 3: of the Royal Rumble, and then he got mad and
Speaker 3: he was visibly angry backstage and grabbed all this stuff
Speaker 3: and left, saying that other wrestlers needed to get all
Speaker 3: their moves in. And apparently, as it's been reported by
Speaker 3: the Dirt Sheets, it was about Logan Paul and La
Speaker 3: Night because they worked program last year, and he was
Speaker 3: a little pod because basically they didn't give him his
Speaker 3: moment in the Royal Rumble and there was like this
Speaker 3: really big discrepancy about like he's he didn't get camera
Speaker 3: time because they wanted to concentrate on the two of them.
Speaker 3: So there's that. That's that little controversy, and apparently he
Speaker 3: was pretty mad, and Drew's a pretty big guy, so
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mess him off.
Speaker 1: Nice little catch there.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know all the ins and outs of it,
Speaker 2: but I know Drew is somebody that i've respected for
Speaker 2: a long time since he was.
Speaker 1: First in the company.
Speaker 2: I really liked him when he was in SmackDown.
Speaker 1: Teddy Long was still the GM of it back then.
Speaker 2: But honestly, I think he kind of does need to
Speaker 2: check his ego a little bit on this one step
Speaker 2: aside a little bit, let the young guys come in
Speaker 2: and do their thing, or newer, I should say, because
Speaker 2: La Knight's a little bit older than most people that
Speaker 2: are in the ring now, so it is what it is.
Speaker 1: I think he does need to check his ego just
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: Bit and just let these newer guys that are really
Speaker 2: up and coming and really popular right now do their thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. I truly believe that.
Speaker 2: Drew McIntyre's best work was when he left WWE for
Speaker 2: a while. He might disagree with me, but I saw
Speaker 2: better in him at that point, and I really feel
Speaker 2: like he kind of needs to just check himself and
Speaker 2: step back a little bit, step back up.
Speaker 1: When the time is right.
Speaker 2: I don't think right now is necessarily his time. He
Speaker 2: had his championship run for a little bit and I
Speaker 2: enjoyed that, but I just don't think that was really
Speaker 2: the time that he needs the belt.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I don't think he needs the belt right now. I
Speaker 3: think he can grow into an Undertaker kind of character
Speaker 3: where you don't need the belt. You can be a
Speaker 3: character that's a top tier without a belt. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: they only used if you look at the Undertaker's World
Speaker 3: Tuttle rings, it was very much transitional, So I can
Speaker 3: go with that. But I really like Drew and I
Speaker 3: really think that like he deserves a lot more, and
Speaker 3: I understand why he was kind of pee oed about everything,
Speaker 3: but I mean, son of a fish, dude, he should
Speaker 3: have been in the ring longer than Logan Paul Well
Speaker 3: and especially his his Hell and the Cell match with
Speaker 3: with CM Punk. It's just like, how are you missing
Speaker 3: a bigger boat on this? And they are definitely missing
Speaker 3: a bigger boat. So I think that there's so much
Speaker 3: more for him than they're actually allowing at this point.
Speaker 3: So I was disappointed with his his throwout. I was
Speaker 3: disappointed with aj Styles, but I know Styles is way
Speaker 3: on the end. I mean he's almost my age. He's
Speaker 3: going to be forty seven, forty eight something like that,
Speaker 3: and he still has it. He still has it.
Speaker 2: But like we talked about, maybe an episode or two ago,
Speaker 2: he was in one of the last tapings of w
Speaker 2: CW Thunder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot longer than most of these guys.
Speaker 2: And even though he may not have been around WWE
Speaker 2: during Sena's run, he was in TNA still doing this
Speaker 2: stuff and he was great then.
Speaker 1: He's great now.
Speaker 2: Love seeing Styles, but you know, he did just remind
Speaker 2: me about Yeah, I still can't believe. Do you remember
Speaker 2: wasn't it CM Punk and Drew McIntyre fighting over the
Speaker 2: friendship bracelet in that match at a Summerslamp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was great writing because they're fighting over
Speaker 3: a bracelet and we actually embraced it. That's kind of
Speaker 3: weird that I said it like that. I feel like
Speaker 3: Doctor Seuss, But yeah, yeah, I do, And I mean,
Speaker 3: how do you do it better? How do you write
Speaker 3: a story? I mean it's like the what do you
Speaker 3: call the thing that Roman Reigns wears? The the Ufalapa
Speaker 3: or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is. Honestly, I'm not
Speaker 1: really a bloodline fan.
Speaker 3: But the fact that they feuded over that it didn't
Speaker 3: have a title. There was no world title, no US title.
Speaker 3: It was just the rights and how much you cared
Speaker 3: about something. That's what I like about this new storytelling.
Speaker 3: I just think that they did terrible story telling with
Speaker 3: jay Uso winning the Royal Rumble and jay usso nothing
Speaker 3: against you. You're a great performer. You're always going to
Speaker 3: be a twin tag team performer to me. And I
Speaker 3: hate to say it, but I if they put the
Speaker 3: belt on him, any belt, any championship on him at WrestleMania,
Speaker 3: it's just so stupid because he says yeat and people will, well,
Speaker 3: what about you know, Daniel Bryant. Daniel Bryan was one
Speaker 3: of the best in ring technicians I've ever seen in
Speaker 3: my life. Jay Uso isn't. He's just a high flyer.
Speaker 3: You have a catchphrase, congratulations. I just don't get it.
Speaker 3: That was a terrible ending. It was an absolute terrible ending.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I would have kept you know, people
Speaker 3: don't get very happy about l A Knight, but because
Speaker 3: of his age, but screw it. I would have put
Speaker 3: La anybody Punk Rains, even Rains. It would have booed
Speaker 3: out the building. But I see it more credible than
Speaker 3: jay Uso. He's lame event jay Uso for a reason.
Speaker 2: I just thought about something. What if they want to
Speaker 2: put the title on him so they can give it
Speaker 2: to someone else like transitional situation. Yes, but my mindset
Speaker 2: is also going to what if they're trying to lower
Speaker 2: it to a much lower weight class instead of having
Speaker 2: Because let's be realistic, Roman has held it for a
Speaker 2: long time. It's kind of been held into almost like
Speaker 2: a Land of Giants sort of thing. Yes, so if
Speaker 2: jay Uso were to win a title, I think it'd
Speaker 2: be more credible or a lot easier to see somebody that,
Speaker 2: you know, let's throw a name out there that we
Speaker 2: know of that would be able to beat jay Uso.
Speaker 1: Let's be realistic.
Speaker 2: I think La Knight could be jay Uso, and I
Speaker 2: think it would look believable.
Speaker 1: At that point, I think might be their.
Speaker 2: Way to try to push that down the road and
Speaker 2: be like, okay, we can have Dominic b j Usso
Speaker 2: this looks like it's possible, unlike having it on Roman
Speaker 2: or brock Lesner or anybody like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a good idea as far as the
Speaker 3: transitional champion goes. However, I don't buy into it. I
Speaker 3: really think that everything that I've heard from Triple H
Speaker 3: is basically or what I've heard as far as Triple
Speaker 3: H says it like, oh, he has a great fan reaction,
Speaker 3: Well so did Scotty Too Hotty? True, but you didn't
Speaker 3: let him win the Royal Rumble. When Scotty Too Hotty
Speaker 3: would do the worm and a few people can't understand
Speaker 3: who I'm talking about. Just YouTube it. And when he
Speaker 3: would do the worm, the place would go crazy. It
Speaker 3: was almost Road Warrior Pop that big. And it was
Speaker 3: just disgusting to me to see, like Jay Uso, who
Speaker 3: has lost every main event challenge he's ever had to
Speaker 3: be the one to win the Royal. This is going nowhere,
Speaker 3: This is pants, this is terrible. I'm hoping that there's
Speaker 3: some kind of booking that's going to intertwine and try
Speaker 3: to fix everything. Now, we do have two world champions.
Speaker 3: We have Cody and we have Gun there. Obviously, Jay
Speaker 3: is going to go after Gun through Walter whatever you
Speaker 3: want to call him, I still call him Walter. So
Speaker 3: elimination Chamber has to be a babyface and go against
Speaker 3: or excuse me, yeah, we're gonna have to have a
Speaker 3: baby or not a babyface but a heel go against
Speaker 3: Cody and my thought processes, can you also turn Cody
Speaker 3: heel before then and have another babyface? So this is
Speaker 3: it's very interesting. I hate elimination Chamber. It's my second
Speaker 3: most hated pay per view behind Money in the Bank.
Speaker 3: I don't like these station pay per views. Like I said,
Speaker 3: I grew up in the territory area, and you know,
Speaker 3: you didn't have all these like stipulations. And if you
Speaker 3: had a stipulation, it was one time and it made
Speaker 3: a lot of sense and had an impact. When you
Speaker 3: have it every year and everything repetitive, it's just it's pants.
Speaker 3: So I don't know going forward elimination Chamber. So now,
Speaker 3: obviously if jay Lous is going to be a babyface,
Speaker 3: and obviously he's going to have to face gun Through
Speaker 3: unless Gunther loses the championship. Walter, sorry, who do you
Speaker 3: see going against Cody or do you see Cody doing
Speaker 3: a turn?
Speaker 2: You know, thinking about it with everything that happened in
Speaker 2: that Kevin Owens match, starting to get a little bit
Speaker 2: more brutal. What if they do to a turn, because
Speaker 2: the way that they could lead into it is like
Speaker 2: the next match he just goes kind of ballistic against
Speaker 2: another face, maybe grabs a chair or something, really gets
Speaker 2: beyond brutal and then and kind of goes off the
Speaker 2: rails with it. That could be a way to make
Speaker 2: it so it's like, Okay, he's turning heel, but more
Speaker 2: of a crazier heel at first, and then slowly just
Speaker 2: sent into madness that way from the titles and have
Speaker 2: somebody take it off them.
Speaker 1: I'm sure who they are.
Speaker 3: Nice fantasy booking, you know, very nice, very very nice,
Speaker 3: because at least that's that's a path and that's something
Speaker 3: that they can do. And he's obviously played a heel
Speaker 3: before with Bullet Club and everything else, so you've got
Speaker 3: something there. I mean, I just think that right now,
Speaker 3: Cody as the champion is stale. Yeah, it's it's incredibly stale.
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to be like a Cody hater
Speaker 3: or anything like that. It just it's stale. Stale was
Speaker 3: yesterday's bread stale.
Speaker 2: I think one of the problems is WWE has grown
Speaker 2: too accustomed to having these really long title reigns, and
Speaker 2: that's not necessary. You can have well the title for
Speaker 2: I would say, even like six months would have been Okay.
Speaker 2: I think we're coming up on almost a year at
Speaker 2: this point, because we're coming up on Mania soon, aren't we.
Speaker 3: Well a couple months, yeah, a couple of months, and
Speaker 3: I mean, who's he faced Kevin Owens?
Speaker 2: And I mean there's been a lot that I haven't seen.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: he's faced Solo.
Speaker 1: Didn't he?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Who? Why was he not in the Royal Rumble?
Speaker 3: But the curates as Owl was. These are questions that
Speaker 3: we have to ask, Like, first of all, we know
Speaker 3: a Curates owl is never gonna win royal rumble. He's
Speaker 3: never gonna be part of a royal rumble. Now there's Otis.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they were in there, and the only person
Speaker 3: part of the bloodline was Jacob Fattu, who you noticed
Speaker 3: was wearing different gear. Mm hm, I I you know,
Speaker 3: I don't see Solo should have been in that, and
Speaker 3: they had no answers for that. I haven't thought that
Speaker 3: maybe Kine would come out because at one point before
Speaker 3: Roman reigns and they pushed him to the moon, Kine
Speaker 3: had the most Royal rumble eliminations in one match ever
Speaker 3: and I think he holds the record for the most
Speaker 3: ever in history as far as running record. And so
Speaker 3: I was like hoping, like I'm a big Cane fan.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows I'm a big cane Mark whatever, but brass
Speaker 3: tacks and baseball batsman, this thing with so much hype.
Speaker 3: It wasn't slop. It was just like such a letdown.
Speaker 3: And like they piped in sound, they piped in yeat.
Speaker 3: I don't care about that. The fact is this is
Speaker 3: going to be a letdown for WrestleMania. So unless they
Speaker 3: find out some other stipulation to get rid of the
Speaker 3: title or the title opportunity off ju so they're dealing
Speaker 3: with a lot in their hands because this.
Speaker 1: Is not good. This is just not good.
Speaker 3: I don't see this as a moneymaker and people can tell, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm not in touch, whatever, guys, this is not good.
Speaker 3: But this is really not good. So I mean I
Speaker 3: think that out of two I would take in Selena
Speaker 3: Vega and for the main event. I mean, I'm a
Speaker 3: huge punk fan, but I could have taken I could
Speaker 3: have taken Sena for his last tour. Where was Randy Orton?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another one.
Speaker 2: Personally, I think, like you said, uh Tizawa or Otis,
Speaker 2: I think they could have used more TNA talent just
Speaker 2: to promo, like, hey guys, yeah, we got that new
Speaker 2: deal with TNA, and so here's some more of their stars.
Speaker 2: You know, let Ace Austin come running in. If he's
Speaker 2: still a TNA. It's been a while to really watched,
Speaker 2: but he.
Speaker 1: Was one of them.
Speaker 3: Nick Demigler, Yeah, I mean that that would have popped.
Speaker 3: It would have popped bigger than Otis. You know, there
Speaker 3: there's so many names that they have over there they
Speaker 3: could have used. But I think that the bigger names
Speaker 3: that they have, they they you know, it's not like
Speaker 3: a two way contract. I think that's one of those deals.
Speaker 3: Joe Hendry and and John Cena I think is gonna
Speaker 3: be money. I think that John Cena's next world title,
Speaker 3: when he breaks the record, is going.
Speaker 1: To be the TNA title. That'd be interesting.
Speaker 3: It's a world title. I'd like that it's a world
Speaker 3: like that they actually recognize it as a world championship,
Speaker 3: you know, that'd be really funny if the push at
Speaker 3: the very end for Sena passing the torch goes to
Speaker 3: Joe Hendry, that would be really awesome.
Speaker 1: I would actually know that.
Speaker 3: In the end. What did you think? Who would did
Speaker 3: you want to win the men's role? Bal like period, Like,
Speaker 3: let's start a storyline going into Mania. Who would it be?
Speaker 2: Well, who I personally wanted, Well, who I thought was
Speaker 2: just going to be CM Punk, who I kind of wanted.
Speaker 2: I would have been happy to see Sammy's Ain go in,
Speaker 2: and I think that could have been something, but I'm
Speaker 2: not sure it would have been the greatest thing for business.
Speaker 2: But I would have been happy to see Sammy's ain
Speaker 2: because you know what, He's been up and coming for
Speaker 2: a long time. I don't recall him ever really being
Speaker 2: a champion, but I think he's one of the greater
Speaker 2: workers in the company right now.
Speaker 1: And I'm kinda I don't want to say I'm.
Speaker 2: Tired of seeing Kevin Owens versus Sammy's Ain because they
Speaker 2: always put on a good show, But I don't think
Speaker 2: we need to keep having that match rehashed every what
Speaker 2: six to eight months. It seems like they continuously seemed a.
Speaker 1: Feud all the time. I'd like to see him in
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger of a picture, you.
Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, I like that. I like sam Zain's That's
Speaker 3: a really cool That's a really good sexy pick because
Speaker 3: it would have been something that nobody saw. And I
Speaker 3: feel like Wrestlemnian is gonna be Sammy Zain versus Kevin
Speaker 3: Owens again, just because the end of the Cody match. However, me,
Speaker 3: of course, I want to see him punk. Everybody knows
Speaker 3: him fan, uh for me. Also Finn Dollar. I'm a
Speaker 3: huge Finn Dollar fan, and the fact that he's been
Speaker 3: treated as toilet paper for like the last two years
Speaker 3: is just beyond me. So I think that that could
Speaker 3: have been an awesome matchup. As far as who goes
Speaker 3: against who, I would also say, and also with the
Speaker 3: females matches, Alina Vega Zelena Vega period, because she deserves it.
Speaker 3: She's worked her boutet off hard, and I think that
Speaker 3: she's just a great presence outside and inside the ring,
Speaker 3: and I think that she's just a great worker. And
Speaker 3: for the guys, Drew, I'm still gonna throw Drew McIntyre
Speaker 3: out there, just because you know, he gets his WrestleMania
Speaker 3: win in front of nobody in the bubble as far
Speaker 3: as the pandemic went, and you know, outside Drew, I
Speaker 3: mean even Sina. I hate to say it, but you
Speaker 3: know I was tired of him. But let him lose
Speaker 3: it WrestleMania. It'll mean something. So that's where I am
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 2: Hang on, what if I hey, isn't elimination chambers the
Speaker 2: main event usually.
Speaker 1: A title match?
Speaker 2: It's yeah, you get a claim to a title match. No,
Speaker 2: I mean like, isn't the match itself a title match?
Speaker 2: And isn't that how seen? At one point lost the
Speaker 2: title to Edge because he just finished going through the
Speaker 2: entire elimination chamber to win his.
Speaker 1: Belt back and then Edge came out and cashed in
Speaker 1: on him.
Speaker 3: That might have been a stipulation one time. I'm not
Speaker 3: quite sure because it's always been my least favorite. I
Speaker 3: didn't watch it because I was angry at it. I
Speaker 3: was like, I hate stipulations, meaning more than undercard titles.
Speaker 3: That's right, But so I mean, go ahead, that were
Speaker 3: to be the case. But if they have seen a
Speaker 3: winning an elimination chamber and then WrestleMania comes around, Sina's champion,
Speaker 3: he still goes to WrestleMania is the main event and
Speaker 3: then out comes ju So toa face him. Now you
Speaker 3: have that little bit of a rivalry at the very
Speaker 3: end of the Rumble because they went up against each other,
Speaker 3: shake hands in the middle, go on, go for their match.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a good overall match. Seeing the loses the title,
Speaker 2: breaks Flair's record, and that'd be the end of his career.
Speaker 1: What do you think.
Speaker 3: That's some good fantasy booking right there. I love it.
Speaker 3: This is why we're related. But I also see I
Speaker 3: don't know, I see I see he and Joe Henry.
Speaker 3: I I really think that WWE is going to go
Speaker 3: after Joe Henry hard after his contract is up. I mean,
Speaker 3: how would you not? Yeah who The last last pop
Speaker 3: like that for somebody who wasn't on the main roster
Speaker 3: was Adam Cole. And I'm telling you, I really think
Speaker 3: that now Joe Henry is going to be one scene
Speaker 3: as opponents. And I think that Sina will win the
Speaker 3: TNA Championship because they recognized it for the first time
Speaker 3: as a world championship. That's a pretty big thing when
Speaker 3: they used to recognize nothing. So I think there's some
Speaker 3: money there there's some money on the table. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's definitely money on the table on that one, and
Speaker 3: you know it's there. Do you want to soak up
Speaker 3: all the biscuits and gravy with your your bread or
Speaker 3: do you actually want to eat the biscuits and gravy.
Speaker 3: It's there, it's right there, So I think that that's
Speaker 3: going to be to me, that's smart booking. So we'll
Speaker 3: see what happens with that. But yeah, so that was
Speaker 3: Royal Rumble in a shell for me.
Speaker 1: Fair enough. I think it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I think we broke down pretty well.
Speaker 2: I think the future only tell what's going to happen next.
Speaker 2: And I'm really, ah, it looks dismal right now, but
Speaker 2: I think there's fixes that can be made. I think
Speaker 2: we can get somewhere in the future with this.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna look a little weird right now.
Speaker 2: Trust the process. Leaving a triple H's hands. He's done
Speaker 2: relatively well so far. She's gotta trust.
Speaker 3: Him absolutely absolutely. But like I said, this was a
Speaker 3: pretty piss poor result to the Royal Rumble, and I
Speaker 3: just wish that, you know, you had anybody else but
Speaker 3: the two that are going in because it's just it's
Speaker 3: not making sense and it's not gonna write storylines down
Speaker 3: the road. So you know, people can argue, well, maybe
Speaker 3: sammy' zay and jaygo at it whatever. I just I
Speaker 3: don't care. It just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, and honestly something that I'm just happy about.
Speaker 3: Logan Paul didn't win. That was such a disappointing number.
Speaker 1: Third.
Speaker 3: Last time there was a number thirty that that was
Speaker 3: that disappointing was when raymis Stereo came out instead of
Speaker 3: Daniel Bryan and the whole place just went bonkers and
Speaker 3: bizarre and they were just like pissed so and it
Speaker 3: is what it is.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Royal Rumbles one of my favorite matches, and like I
Speaker 3: told you, I watched the first one on the black
Speaker 3: and white TV in my bedroom in nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 3: or eighty seven or whatever year it was. It just
Speaker 3: comes down to the fact that it's one of my
Speaker 3: favorite things and sometimes I love it, sometimes I hate it.
Speaker 3: I didn't hate it. I just it wasn't in a
Speaker 3: plus today it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. It is what it is.
Speaker 2: Time will tell hope for a better one next year,
Speaker 2: but for now, we're here. So with that in mind,
Speaker 2: you guys know where to reach me. That means it's
Speaker 2: MAV at Twitter x whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: As usual, just something nice for somebody you never know
Speaker 2: who needs it. Somebody's always got to need to pick
Speaker 2: me up at some point.
Speaker 1: How about you, Gardner, you want to sign off?
Speaker 3: Yeah at one four four, Captain, Uh, you know how
Speaker 3: to reach me. Michael Gross and uh, you know I'm
Speaker 3: always on the show and MAV and I are always
Speaker 3: doing stuff. But I also want to give a movie
Speaker 3: recommendation out. So my movie recommendation is a mystic film
Speaker 3: by Alejandro Jodawaski. I recommend El Topo. If you don't
Speaker 3: have a chance, you should watch the previews for al
Speaker 3: Topo and you realize it's supposed to be the best
Speaker 3: movie ever. And when you watch it till the end,
Speaker 3: you go, what the hell? Oh why am I not
Speaker 3: surprised with this one? It's it's I gotta send you
Speaker 3: the link for that. But you got you got to
Speaker 3: watch the trail on YouTube. Everybody out there watched the
Speaker 3: trailer for the movie al Topo, and it starts out
Speaker 3: with be prepared the best cinematic experience you've ever had
Speaker 3: in your life. I'm like, well, son of a Fish,
Speaker 3: let's go Alejandro Jodwawski presents Eltopo. And then you watch
Speaker 3: the movie and you go, huh, it's just one of
Speaker 3: those things. And next time I see map, we're actually
Speaker 3: going to watch this movie together. You and I are
Speaker 3: going to watch this movie together. You realize, huh.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I remember as a kid, you showed my
Speaker 2: mom the trailer, and I remember we were all sitting
Speaker 2: there in the living room.
Speaker 1: Like what was that.
Speaker 2: They all sat there just so confused for a few
Speaker 2: minutes after, and we couldn't stop talking about it for
Speaker 2: a couple hours, it felt like.
Speaker 3: But I had gotten El Topo t shirts for both
Speaker 3: myself and your uncle Tim, and then I bought your
Speaker 3: uncle Tim and El Topo hoodie and he was just
Speaker 3: like stop, just stop, and I was like, no, El
Speaker 3: Topo lives. Jeddawaski is actually a great Hudawaski. I don't
Speaker 3: know the silent jay, I don't know how it's actually pronounced,
Speaker 3: but he's actually a great director. He actually was directing
Speaker 3: the original version of Dune, and then they because his
Speaker 3: budget was way over the top, they let him go
Speaker 3: and they hired David Lynch, who just recently passed away.
Speaker 3: And David Lynch did Dune. But you can find a
Speaker 3: really awesome documentary called Hudawaski or Jeddawaski's Dune, and it
Speaker 3: shows you, like all the things he had scripted out,
Speaker 3: and it'll just blow your mind. Like the guy was
Speaker 3: a great director. But Altopo, I don't get it. And
Speaker 3: al Topo is so weird. It's a Western and it's
Speaker 3: just so incredibly weird that it created a cinema craze
Speaker 3: called midnight Madness. So when people would go to watch
Speaker 3: basically like midnight movies in movie theaters, El Topo was
Speaker 3: always playing and that was like the first movie that
Speaker 3: started midnight madness. It was so bad it was good
Speaker 3: that it would only play it midnight. So that's what
Speaker 3: I got, all right, So my recommendation. This past week,
Speaker 3: I actually watched this movie for the first time, and
Speaker 3: I kind of had a similar reaction in al Topa
Speaker 3: in a way, but not quite as confused. But a
Speaker 3: movie called Pearl It's on Netflix. It seems like psychological horror.
Speaker 3: I enjoy certain aspects of it. There are certain things
Speaker 3: that are great about it, Like, I really love that
Speaker 3: they brought in some things that were used specifically in
Speaker 3: like old timey movies back when it was black and
Speaker 3: white and stuff.
Speaker 2: The way that they did certain things like putting words
Speaker 2: on the screen, it looks exactly like how they.
Speaker 1: Used to do it.
Speaker 2: And then there's certain things where I'm just very lost
Speaker 2: and very confers used. The story itself is wild and
Speaker 2: kind of messed up, but watching it as a horror movie,
Speaker 2: it's not bad. I do recommend it just for the
Speaker 2: one time watch. Honestly, have you seen it before?
Speaker 3: Is that the one that stars me a goth?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so that's part of a trilogy.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, it's X.
Speaker 3: And then oh, I can't remember the other one and
Speaker 3: then Pearl And basically it's about a woman. My my
Speaker 3: friend Josh Lindsay and a big shout out to him
Speaker 3: because I love that guy. He's like a brother to me.
Speaker 3: Josh Lindsay introduced me to it, but I think we
Speaker 3: watched X and basically it's it's you know what I'm
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna look it up before I you know,
Speaker 3: perjure myself on air with everybody, but I believe it's
Speaker 3: it's part of the trilogy, So we're gonna give me
Speaker 3: five seconds, okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, no problem, we can always fill the air a
Speaker 2: little bit more.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: The movie itself was strange at certain points and had
Speaker 2: me very confused why certain things were happening, But towards
Speaker 2: the end of it, you know, just.
Speaker 1: The horror aspect was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: So it's Pearl Max scene and X. Okay, so you
Speaker 3: have to find the order to watch them in and
Speaker 3: then once you find the order, it makes a lot
Speaker 3: of sense. So X I think was the one I
Speaker 3: watched with Josh or jay Man as I like to
Speaker 3: call him. No, it was maybe Maxine hold on some
Speaker 3: of us dish, But basically it talks about this woman
Speaker 3: or the story takes place where this woman she lives
Speaker 3: on a farm, and it's old school life and everything else.
Speaker 3: And was the direction like the director's view, like really
Speaker 3: crazy and cool.
Speaker 2: It was pretty wild. I'm not gonna lie. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to kind.
Speaker 1: Of look up as well what the order is supposed
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: It seems to be a little confusing and vague, but
Speaker 2: it was like seem like a normal life sort of thing.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, then you start to.
Speaker 2: See like psychopathic traits from a certain character, and then
Speaker 2: you start to see things unfold later on and just
Speaker 2: how wild it gets. But I don't want to spoil
Speaker 2: too much, guys, but yeah, recommend the movie Pearl for.
Speaker 3: I think Pearl is the first. So I do believe.
Speaker 3: I've seen that with Josh, and that's where they have
Speaker 3: to feed Theta the alligator.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to say it, but yeah, I was
Speaker 2: just gonna try to find.
Speaker 1: A way to hint at it, all right.
Speaker 3: So so a couple of years ago, I went to
Speaker 3: go visit my friend in Golf Shores and he's like,
Speaker 3: you got to see this movie. It's crazy. I was like, okay.
Speaker 3: He's like the sequel is she becomes a porn star.
Speaker 3: I was like what, And that's X I believe, and
Speaker 3: then Maxine, I believe is the third. Now if I'm
Speaker 3: if I'm reading everything right. And so we watched this
Speaker 3: movie and of course we're drinking a few beers and
Speaker 3: whatever else we're just I was just like, this is crazy,
Speaker 3: and Josh he just gets those big guys. I keep
Speaker 3: watching and uh, I was actually telling my friend today
Speaker 3: how I wanted to get an ax alabo and do
Speaker 3: you know what that is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that Uh, I'll be honest, I'm not really
Speaker 2: sure how to describe it, but it's like that little
Speaker 2: water lizard thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it always smiles and I was gonna name
Speaker 3: it feed Him. And so I was actually telling my
Speaker 3: friend that today. So it's really weird that we mentally
Speaker 3: vibed on the same movie today. And this is not
Speaker 3: playing folks, this is just us being us. And uh
Speaker 3: so the movie is very intense. It's it's very much
Speaker 3: you'll broken down before you get built up again. Let's
Speaker 3: just put it that way. And it has an ending
Speaker 3: where you go, okay, so what's going to happen next?
Speaker 3: It make to me. It made me want to know
Speaker 3: what was going to happen next, which would be I
Speaker 3: believe X and then there's mac thing.
Speaker 1: That ends up.
Speaker 2: But also with the movie, the ending, it almost felt
Speaker 2: like it was the end of like some old timey
Speaker 2: TV series. So that makes so much more sense now
Speaker 2: that I've saw the movie. I didn't realize there were
Speaker 2: sequels to it already.
Speaker 3: I love the ending. I love the direction, like the
Speaker 3: smile at the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how it just got gradually worse and everything. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't want to keep spoiling it for everybody that's listening,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's a recommendation for this week. Guys, pearl
Speaker 2: any songs songs for me? This week didn't.
Speaker 1: Really have any that were off the top of my head. Man,
Speaker 1: what about you?
Speaker 3: You know it's an oldie, but I love it so much.
Speaker 3: Is I'm gonna say, Shwine, you're my disease. It's it's
Speaker 3: butt tick from Japan with km FDM and Raymond Watts,
Speaker 3: the guy I told you about from Pig that I
Speaker 3: wanted you to see in London. Amazing, amazing, just amazing.
Speaker 3: Just listen to your my disease. Bye bye, Shwine. Okay,
Speaker 3: aside from that, we have anything else to say. And
Speaker 3: I want to say to everybody on Rustling Magic, thank
Speaker 3: you to the team, thank you to everybody who's been
Speaker 3: part of us. MAB needs a break. I need I
Speaker 3: need some breaks too, and but I'm still going to
Speaker 3: work through a lot of stuff. And I just want
Speaker 3: everybody to know that we care about you. We love you.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody from the WWE podcast family loves you.
Speaker 3: We just we just want you to keep listening because
Speaker 3: that's what we do.
Speaker 1: I cam Man.
Speaker 2: So my final thoughts on this tonight song recommendation, I
Speaker 2: actually did find one.
Speaker 1: It's called Sleep when I'm Dead by Jack.
Speaker 2: Kaye's pretty interesting sound I've found kind of recently, with
Speaker 2: a little bit of acoustic guitar and everything, I've been
Speaker 2: getting into just that old style that's actually kind of
Speaker 2: new where it's newer music with an older style to it.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of enjoying it. But along with that words
Speaker 1: of my friend Memphis Mark.
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