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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the nonprofits. And today I thought about doing

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<v Speaker 1>something different and have a split up in the two

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<v Speaker 1>teams and have a little wrestling, but instead, since we

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't get insurance in the time, Scott, I understand, we

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<v Speaker 1>do have a wrestling angle on this story. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you got for us?

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<v Speaker 2>We do have a wrestling angle on the story. This

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<v Speaker 2>is about Linda McMahon, former head of the Small Business

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<v Speaker 2>Administration for the White House prior to Biden, and ex

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<v Speaker 2>CEO of World Wrestling Entertainment WWE. She's been nominated to

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<v Speaker 2>lead the Department of Education, a role for which her

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<v Speaker 2>qualifications are notably thin. McMahon's experience in education is limited

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<v Speaker 2>to a single year in Connecticut State Board of Education,

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<v Speaker 2>where her appointment not election appointment, was met with criticism

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<v Speaker 2>for her lack of expertise. Beyond that, her involvement includes

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<v Speaker 2>serving as a trustee for Sacred Heart University and lending

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<v Speaker 2>her name to educational campaigns by WWE. Despite this sparse

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<v Speaker 2>educational background, McMahon will oversee critical issues like Title nine

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<v Speaker 2>reforms and student debt policy if confers. Her nomination raises

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<v Speaker 2>questions about whether the administration's ultimate goal is to dismantle

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Education, a promise that has been floated

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<v Speaker 2>for years, adding to the controversy. As if that wasn't enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Adding to the controversy our allegations from a lawsuit linking

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<v Speaker 2>her and WWE to the mishandling of sexual abuse by

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<v Speaker 2>a company employee, further casting doubt on her suitability for

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<v Speaker 2>such an important role. This story is from the Hill

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<v Speaker 2>by Alexi Lonis Cochrane on November nineteenth, twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Gott, and I have to say that I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>looked at the situation when it's easy to say, surely

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<v Speaker 1>stop call it, we're going to tap out because I

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<v Speaker 1>can't listen to any more of this. But the reality

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<v Speaker 1>is is this is a very serious situation. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to have a very significant impact on the educational future

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<v Speaker 1>of all the children in the United States, not just

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<v Speaker 1>public but even in private school. One thing I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you about, though, Scott, is what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think the applications of McMahon's view on charter schools

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<v Speaker 1>and school vouchers. Where does she stand in those kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of issues, because I know that's a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well sure, I mean in her opinion on a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these things is really going to shape the next

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<v Speaker 2>few years of our educational system. I found an article

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<v Speaker 2>on MSN dot com about her and it said quote.

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<v Speaker 2>On her twenty ten campaign website, she signaled support for quote,

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<v Speaker 2>competition and choice through charter schools and secondary school reform,

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<v Speaker 2>a position that has reflected interviews today. She recently said

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<v Speaker 2>I believe in local control. I'm an advocate for choice

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<v Speaker 2>through charter schools. That was on her campaign website as well.

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<v Speaker 2>She clearly supports school vouchers, which you know, I've spoken

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<v Speaker 2>about school vouchers before. They're ultimately damaging to the educational system.

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<v Speaker 2>And they don't provide what they claim to provide, and

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<v Speaker 2>they do provide things that they claim that they don't provide.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's happening here is and I'll give you some

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<v Speaker 2>information about school vouchers. This is from the NEA dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>the NEA website. This is just a couple of high

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<v Speaker 2>points here. Number one, Since the enactment of universal school

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<v Speaker 2>voucher programs, states are struggling with the program's cost, lack

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<v Speaker 2>of transparency and accountability. That's one of the main things there.

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<v Speaker 2>No transparency, no accountability. Number two overwhelmingly, school vouchers are

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<v Speaker 2>being used by families with children already in private schools

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<v Speaker 2>to subsidize their tuition. So it's not granting that big

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<v Speaker 2>mobility that it's offering. It's dangling this caret of You know,

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<v Speaker 2>your student can go to a private school too, your

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<v Speaker 2>student can get the best education in the state too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what's happening. The money is going to families

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<v Speaker 2>that are already in private schools. Three voucher programs, skyrocking

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<v Speaker 2>and costable divert funding not only from public schools, but

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<v Speaker 2>also from other public services, critical public services, and so

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening is that school money gets funneled around and

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<v Speaker 2>the real losers are going to be the students that

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<v Speaker 2>rely on the extra features of school. Maybe they have

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<v Speaker 2>economic issues at home and they need supplements at school.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was a teacher at a high school in Minneapolis,

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<v Speaker 2>we had a clinic right there in the school, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was a good portion of our student body who

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<v Speaker 2>used that clinic as their primary health care. Those kind

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<v Speaker 2>of things are not going to be available anymore. We

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<v Speaker 2>had students that we've already seen districts all over the place, states,

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<v Speaker 2>all over the place, curtailing food supplements, food subsidies, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's just all of these programs are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>hurt if this money is diverted. So I'm really concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about what she has said about her desires for an

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<v Speaker 2>educational system, because if she implements them, then I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're in big trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like stripping down the educational system to

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<v Speaker 1>the generic version to help people who are already going

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<v Speaker 1>to private schools get subsidized when they're already paying in

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<v Speaker 1>any way. So what you're doing is you're asking the

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<v Speaker 1>public education system to essentially teach almost the same amount

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<v Speaker 1>of students with less money.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're literally taking from the poor and giving to

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<v Speaker 2>the rich.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and we see that time again. So Stephen, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think this says about the state of American

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<v Speaker 1>politics when our pit for the educational secretary is a

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<v Speaker 1>former WWE executive with no direct experience in education.

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<v Speaker 3>Bred and circuses, y'all, Bred and circus is what does

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<v Speaker 3>it matter? It's all about just entertainment. What entertained me,

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<v Speaker 3>what distracts me from the current situation that I am in.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I have a food in my stomach. That's all

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<v Speaker 3>that matters. We don't need to be betterment. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>need betterment as a society. We don't need to evolve.

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<v Speaker 3>We just need to be entertained and distracted. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>when I heard that Schwarzenegger first was elected to office,

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<v Speaker 3>I was just like, Okay, well, maybe, like whatever, you

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<v Speaker 3>can be more than just an actor, you can be

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<v Speaker 3>more than just a terminator. Cool. And I heard about

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<v Speaker 3>Ventura getting elected. I was just like, oh, well, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>lightning strikes twice, but yeah. Now now it's just a

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<v Speaker 3>really neat trend of the Like the president elect was

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<v Speaker 3>the wrestling guy, and now he is a point thing

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<v Speaker 3>his wrestling guy's wife, Like, what is this bullshit? Why? Why? What? Why?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand. I feel like the person who is

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<v Speaker 3>in charge of sharing facts should not be so deeply

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<v Speaker 3>involved in a fake sport. Maybe I'm weird, maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 3>the minority. Clearly I'm the minority, but it seems like

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<v Speaker 3>if you're if you're so deeply tied to something that's

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<v Speaker 3>pretending to be real, maybe you shouldn't be in charge

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<v Speaker 3>of teaching kids.

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<v Speaker 4>Coming on, it's a reality TV star for president, a

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<v Speaker 4>social media module to manage our government spending, Fox News

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<v Speaker 4>reportant for the French Secretary, a TV show doctor do

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<v Speaker 4>to oversee the Department of Centers for Medica Medicaid services,

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<v Speaker 4>and now the co founder of the WWE you know

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<v Speaker 4>who's also a former professional worst seller to run the

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<v Speaker 4>Department of Education. Spoiler on Earth is not the movie Idiocracy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny you say that because I was just sitting

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<v Speaker 1>here thinking, am I listening to a review for Radiocracy?

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<v Speaker 1>Did I around the wrong segment? Because really that is

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<v Speaker 1>what it feels like, only this time we don't get

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<v Speaker 1>to hit and go Wow, that was a damn good movie,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Judge. Is funny.

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<v Speaker 2>They at least had the person in the world you

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<v Speaker 2>know to help them, right, They at least he had

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<v Speaker 2>not Sure to help them.

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<v Speaker 1>At least President not Sure took care of things. Now, AJ,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you think Linda McMahon's role in the America

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<v Speaker 1>First Policy Institute aligns with what was proposed on Project

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five And how far do you think they're

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<v Speaker 1>really going to get with this in the educational system.

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<v Speaker 4>So Linda McMahon doesn't personally have anything to do with

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<v Speaker 4>Project twenty twenty five as far as I know, but

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's very important to point out that she

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<v Speaker 4>is the chair of the American First Policy Institute, which

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<v Speaker 4>is pretty much the same as the Heritage Foundation, which

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<v Speaker 4>is the creator of Project twenty twenty five. And the

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<v Speaker 4>American First Policy Institute has a policy handbook that is,

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, exactly like Project twenty twenty five, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>with very very few differences. Everything that is proposed as

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<v Speaker 4>far as legislations and rules is on par with Project

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty five. I've absolutely shocked that this hasn't gotten

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<v Speaker 4>more attention because the similarities are really really scary. They

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<v Speaker 4>have policies like eliminating diversity, equity and inclusion offices. They

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<v Speaker 4>have very similar views recording LGBTQ rights, especially biased against

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<v Speaker 4>transgender people, women's reproductive care, access to abortion, and of

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<v Speaker 4>course education. I wasn't even aware that this manual existed

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<v Speaker 4>until I started looking into Linda McMahon and found that

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<v Speaker 4>she was the chair for it. And I guess because

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<v Speaker 4>people have been so focused on Project twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 4>this means that we all need to become more aware

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<v Speaker 4>to protect the freedom of all individuals and not just

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<v Speaker 4>Christian nationalists.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say that one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>concerns me Scott, you had mentioned the clinic for the

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<v Speaker 1>students when you were at the high school and talked

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<v Speaker 1>about food programs and things like that. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>we often forget that there's a lot of things far

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<v Speaker 1>beyond just facts and figures and numbers and things like

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<v Speaker 1>that to go on educating students that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see impacted. I mean, food insecurity is a very real

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<v Speaker 1>issue in this country, and just thinking of that alone,

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<v Speaker 1>it just really concerns me when I see McMahon in

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<v Speaker 1>this role, and I was just wondering, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that her past experience of the Small Business Administration

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<v Speaker 1>and her comments in general, how do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>track record plays into protecting children as a Secretary of Education.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think that it has anything to do

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<v Speaker 2>with protecting children at all. Again, I think we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about promoting an ideology above the welfare of the students

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<v Speaker 2>that are involved. It's been suggested that they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>dismantle the Department of Education, and so Title nine funds

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<v Speaker 2>are either going to be discontinued or they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be passed off tucked away in some other department, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, I think, regardless of what happens with that,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to see a loss of support for students.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think there are many students. We mentioned already healthcare,

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<v Speaker 2>we mentioned already, food. We didn't mention things like mental

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<v Speaker 2>health issues. We didn't mention things like disability issues. We

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<v Speaker 2>didn't mention things like students that don't speak English as

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<v Speaker 2>their first language. There's all the kinds of different of

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<v Speaker 2>these little pocket communities, and well I say pocket, but

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<v Speaker 2>some of them are rather large communities. But there's all

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<v Speaker 2>these different types of students that are being supported by

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<v Speaker 2>the United States government and by state governments and by

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<v Speaker 2>local governments, by school boards. And so it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be gutting something from the core. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be tearing out the spinal cord of this

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<v Speaker 2>animal that's helping run our educational system. And it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to imagine that things won't be bad. Idea or the

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<v Speaker 2>suggestion is that dismantling the Department of Education isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>going to harm these programs. But I think what it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to do is it's going to make those programs

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable because right now they're protected under the Department of Education,

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<v Speaker 2>but if they're if Title nine, for example, is shuffled

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<v Speaker 2>off to some other department, then that becomes a vulnerable

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<v Speaker 2>program there and at risk of being at the very

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<v Speaker 2>least being diminished, if not discontinued outright. And so it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's really it's not only going to have an immediate

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to make many other programs vulnerable, which not

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<v Speaker 2>only is it going to affect the students directly, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's also going to be the threat and the fear

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<v Speaker 2>that these things are going to that students might lose

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<v Speaker 2>their food, they might lose their health care, they might

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<v Speaker 2>lose their support of their disability at school, they might

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's I don't know, it's it's it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to be optimistic.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's more.

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<v Speaker 4>Than likely also going to affect the teachers ability to

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<v Speaker 4>teach these kids the correct the proper information likes out,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the type of curriculums that are being made

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<v Speaker 4>to teach these kids. And I think the ultimate goal

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<v Speaker 4>here for them is to have a less educated society,

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<v Speaker 4>to have less educated students coming out of out of

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<v Speaker 4>high school, because theyre easier to manipulate, they are easier

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<v Speaker 4>to inductionate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard not to imagine that that's the goal. It

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you don't, you don't you want to think that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that might happen, but that's not what they're trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But as we continue on, it's hard to view that

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<v Speaker 2>as not being the goal, the ultimate goal. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>not only frustrating, but it's sad and it's depressing.

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<v Speaker 1>It feeds into the worst of everything because first we

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<v Speaker 1>have people actually suffering, and yes, this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be beyond just food, and this is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>bound just food at school because we're talking about basic

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<v Speaker 1>support structures and other departments that are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>happening at the same time, and those are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be at risk too. And I couldn't help but think Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>when you mentioned the mental health issue, and aj you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the LGBT community and trans community. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a double whammy because you're taking mental health

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<v Speaker 1>away and you're obstracizing a group of people. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>you're holding up, let's minimize these human beings.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we're going.

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<v Speaker 1>To take away any support they could have too. So yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a real concern, and like you, Scott, I

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<v Speaker 1>do believe this is deliberate. I think that they want

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<v Speaker 1>a compliant workforce and when we're worried about our next meal,

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<v Speaker 1>we're less worried about other things. And so just keep

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<v Speaker 1>everything down to a spasic, don't have people think too hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Just have them keep doing what they do and feel

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<v Speaker 1>lucky that they have what they have. And that's really

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<v Speaker 1>what they're counting on for me. Now, one thing, Steve

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<v Speaker 1>and I kind of stepped over this question, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to bring this up to all of you, McMahon's

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<v Speaker 1>past support for toratory figures and access within a WWE

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<v Speaker 1>about we mentioned sexual assault cases, and what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think this ultimately is going to end up as when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes down to her being the leader responsible for kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Like my like, I feel like I want to echo

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<v Speaker 3>what we've already been saying here, but like specifically, like

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<v Speaker 3>my concern, my biggest concern is for the queer kids.

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<v Speaker 3>How are they going to be impacted by this type

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<v Speaker 3>of deregulation that we could see McMahon, you know putting

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<v Speaker 3>forward especially especially given the fact that she has this

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<v Speaker 3>tie to allegations of sexual abuse, allegations being mishandled, not

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<v Speaker 3>that she was directly involved with it, but the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that her organization that she was in charge of mishandled it.

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<v Speaker 3>And she is now in charge of the largest organization

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<v Speaker 3>responsible for the safety of the most miners in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>And if she can't handle you know, keeping you know,

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<v Speaker 3>her little fantasy wrestling games safe for adults, Like what what? What? What?

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<v Speaker 3>What does that mean for the children that she is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be responsible over? We already know and again

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<v Speaker 3>we already know that queer kids are the target for

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<v Speaker 3>for more bullying, more harassment, that schools are less safe

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<v Speaker 3>place for those students already, So and what if they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be stripping away federal regulations that are in

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<v Speaker 3>place to protect those students, then you know, their safety

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<v Speaker 3>is left up to what like the state level department

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<v Speaker 3>then and we already know that states that there is

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<v Speaker 3>little incentive for especially more conservative states to give two

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<v Speaker 3>ships about the well being of queer kids, of marginalized kids, definitely,

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<v Speaker 3>and so they are the ones that I'm most concerned

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<v Speaker 3>about that I think that there's there's great, there should

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<v Speaker 3>be all kinds of alarms going off.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that we cover in the nonprofits. It seems

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<v Speaker 4>a good covering a story about child abuse by some

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<v Speaker 4>type of institution, usually religious, And I know that the

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<v Speaker 4>WWE is not a religious institution, but it's clear that

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<v Speaker 4>the McMahons are very religious. And the iron here is

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<v Speaker 4>that a woman who knowingly allowed the abuse of young

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<v Speaker 4>boys by one of our employees is being appointed to

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<v Speaker 4>supposedly protect children and their education is absurd.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Stephen, you mentioned the LGBTQ kids, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're definitely going to be vulnerable because one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that the Department Education does is it oversees state

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<v Speaker 2>legislation and even down to the local school board level

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<v Speaker 2>of those protections, of mandating those protections, and mandating those

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<v Speaker 2>protections in places where they wouldn't otherwise be there. You

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned things like Southern states or state or Red states

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, you know how we want to call them.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some states that want to remove those protections,

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<v Speaker 2>they want to allow discrimination to certain groups of students,

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<v Speaker 2>and LGBTQ students are definitely one of those that rely

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<v Speaker 2>on that type of protection. And so when we take

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<v Speaker 2>that protection away. Then you know that's you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>the hell is going to break loose on that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be pleasant in any way. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be very, very troubling.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say that, having a teenager who is

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<v Speaker 1>gender fluid and pan sexual, I can't help but wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what the future does bring for them. And it is

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<v Speaker 1>very concerning because while I know that the people in

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<v Speaker 1>charge don't see this as individuals, the reality of those

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<v Speaker 1>of us who live here are the individuals. And with

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<v Speaker 1>that in mind, I really hope that we can see

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<v Speaker 1>some protections. But right now, as you said more than once, Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that it's going to be a rough road.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think this is going to be an easy way,

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<v Speaker 1>but we will get through it.