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Speaker 1: What's going on? Clippers fans just doing a very quick

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thirty minute hang or so to talk about that fantastic

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win against the Nuggets in Denver. My name is Chuck Buckler,

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not William Updyke, like the name tag says. What a

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what an afternoon for Clippers basketball. The Clippers win one

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O nine, one oh four behind a hute an insane

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game from Norman Powell. James Harden was dishing chunk. We

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absolutely are up. I believe Will Updyke is gonna come

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hang in a second. Uh a game. We're doing a

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quick street before the Dodgers game. How's everyone feeling? Yes,

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what a wain. Jimmy g Zoo was huge. I think

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I think Norm gets the game. Ball is what we're

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going with. Uh oh, it's William, It's our year. Up dyke,

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will how are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man, incredible, incredible, Never doubted it is the is

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the crazy thing. Never doubted it one time. Uh No,

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what a game. Jokic career high in threes, going absolutely

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off like that. The Clippers, who supposedly aren't even supposed

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to have an offense able to overcome that one. Just incredible,

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just incredible stuff. And the execution down the stretch was

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a vast improvement from what we saw in Game one.

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So it's nice to see that this team is already

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kind of figuring stuff out on the fly. You know.

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We the thing we've talked about is like what ultimately

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is gonna sort of determine this team's like seating where

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they where they ultimately end up landing, is like how

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quickly they can kind of figure these things out and

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are able to adjust. There's not a lot of room

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for Aaron for air. There's zero margins for this team.

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So in game you got to figure out the things

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that are working and kind of spam those and if

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it isn't working, you got to get it off the

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court real quick. Today Terrence was a little bit of

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a victim of that, but you know, it resulted in

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a win, so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna question it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Terrance stuff, we'll talk about in a bit

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fifteen minutes or so before we get out of here.

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Norm Powell, with his best game as an LA Clipper,

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absolutely did what we all thought Norm Powell could do,

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which is score the basketball. He was phenomenal in this one.

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He was getting foul calls, as he often does, the

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thank you Robert Flamm the bank shot laid off the glass.

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The runner was absolutely demoralizing for the Nuggets. You'll love

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to see it from nor Zoo twenty four and fifteen

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forty minutes, thirty nine minutes. Excuse me every again. Something

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we've been clamoring is a great way to get easy

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buckets is to play zoom more minutes played thirty nine

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to night and James Harden thirteen four absolutely clutch free

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throws to close this one out twenty three to six

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in sixteen seven turnovers, which I don't we got we

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won in Denver. I don't. I know there were some

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things that Clippers needed to clean up, but I think

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this game is the definition of what Clippers games against

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better opponents are going to be. If the defense and

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the shooting can kind of get it done in the beginning,

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you're gonna see the other teams just try and lean

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on us. But if we get like you said, late

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game execution like we got with a scoring punch like

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from Norm Powell, it's gonna be a coin toss every time.

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This was another coin toss game, but the Clippers came.

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Speaker 2: Through like the amount of like clutch minutes this team

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is going to play this year given the relative age.

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I mean, that's why I think we have to get

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a little bit younger along with leaning into the defensive identity.

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It is going to be a staggering amount. I'm predicting

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it is going to be a staggering amount of clutch minutes.

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So yeah, like I said, this is just this is

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what they have to build upon. This is this is

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the type execution they have to build upon every single time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, Jimmy g giving a shout out to Chris Dunn.

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Very active defender Chris Dunn. I mean it was only

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the second game four for six he had. He wasn't

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foul trouble a little bit, but he was annoying as

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hell to play against. He got a key Steele in

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this one that led to a dunk transition late. Yes,

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a lot of love for Chris Dunn in the chat.

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We love to see it.

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Speaker 2: At the tune with no points before boards and three says.

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Speaker 1: Like dude, Nico hit I think it was the only

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bucket that KPJ made today, one of his two buckets

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other than the dunk. Nico hit him with a pass

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off the elbow and it was just like it was perfect.

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It was exactly that kind of veteran thing you need

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with a young guy out there who's not.

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Speaker 2: Good call I mean coffee having, like absolutely struggling to

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produce offensively, still getting extended burns, still trusted late in

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this game, which is pretty pretty incredible and again just

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the floor. I think there's something like I feel like

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every year teams, especially those in championship contention, are like,

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you know, we're willing to sacrifice whatever. Nobody has an

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ego on this team. This team might actually other outside

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of like KPJ and some guys who are kind of

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looking for a spot, I would say might be one

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of the lower ego teams in terms of in terms

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of putting up numbers.

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Speaker 1: I like that idea. That's a great call. Okay, people

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in the chat are talking about Terrence. This was a

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rough Terrence game. Zero points, which is absolutely insane, only

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four field goal attempts, he had three boards and assists.

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He turned down shots. This was the game that makes

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you wonder what b maybe looks like or a mirror

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looks like in the starting lineup. Is not.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I'm sorry, just just cross that idea from

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your minds. I think I think the I think the

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role that he's in right now is perfect. I think

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nico Is is best when used in short burst when

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he can be his most effective.

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Speaker 1: That's fair.

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Speaker 2: He's not really like a player who can kind of

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tread water when he's on the court, you know what

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expected to kind of do a lot given his age

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and and you know, like being this sort of utility

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glue guy. I don't unless there's like math like, uh,

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unless there's something that necessitates it, I don't see him

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move for him into the starting lineup.

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Speaker 1: A mirror then, is the one because two and three games, no,

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not coming into the season on Terrence right like they've

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they've been saying that he needs to do more. The

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idea is, uh, you're right, it has been two games.

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probably until we see some kind of change. But there's more.

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Speaker 2: Work offense starting lineup than not working. If we're being like,

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if we're being totally honest, sure stuff is working, like

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we're seeing Djj's impact. Zoo is finally getting Tonight, it

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looks like Zoo is kind of getting into the place

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where we all hope that he would be able to

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get to poseason, being able to use the being able

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to be used on both ends of the floor, hardened

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leading this offense. It you know, it had some it

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had some issues. It's still not perfect, but uh, it

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looks a lot more cohesive. I think even at times

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then it would look with two one three, uh in

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the sands hardened era. So I'm liking that a lot. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And the Terrence thing, you know I talked about tonight,

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not trusted. I mean obviously Norm was playing so good

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that he wasn't in the closing lineup.

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Speaker 2: And normal, Like I was kind of wrong about Norm

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in the in the starting lineup. I I wasn't sure defensively,

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team like the Nuggets, who when we talked about in

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our game preview, like, I don't like that matchup necessarily,

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especially from a size standpoint, Like Norm is holding his

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too much as hampered defensively. So yeah, getting some KPJ

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sucks stuff in the in the chat. Wait bring Bones back?

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Why not let Bones have his his damn revenge game

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this time round.

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Speaker 1: One thing real quick about the Terrence thing too. I

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think what helps Dorm in the starting lineup is that

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Terrence man defense that he offensive is rough right now

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from Terrence for sure, not going to pretend that that's

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been good somebody.

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Speaker 2: I think Chunk is actually like putting it pretty well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an okay, good guy.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't like Terrence right now. The knock is that,

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like he doesn't really super excel in any one area.

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And now some of that is like the fault of

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the actual will player development of the Clippers and him

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being asked to fill so many roles. I don't think

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he's like really had an opportunity to uh like Bloom

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or Foster and like any aspect of his game. So yeah,

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who's like pretty good at a lot of stuff. But

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if one of those things is like below below average

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be rough. It's it'll it'll be tough at times, and

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there's definitely gonna be some growing pains. And I mean

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he's got he's got right now, he has the most

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questions to answer of anyone in the starting lineup, and

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that is a difficult spot to be in. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: From a guy who has been the glue guy who

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now having to answer questions, that is definitely such a transition.

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Your shot, as Lot Barry always talks about, your shot

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to redeem yourself, is gonna come back very quickly in

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the NBA. Just fantastic stuff off the bench from the

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had a bad game, but he was plus twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say a mere coffee had a bad game.

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I would say offensively went over offensively, he struggled.

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Speaker 1: Sure, okay, Lot. There was a lot of people in

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the chat talking about KPJ and KPJ being bad. Someone

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said that KPJ has been bad this year. I agree

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that he's been bad. I think this year is doing

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heavy lifting. When it's been two games. He does a

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bunch of spin moves, which I don't understand why he's

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forcing those. He is just dude.

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Speaker 2: The thing that drives me absolutely is insane. And I

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knew that this was gonna be an issue. We talked

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about this in the preseason. Is like when he is

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out there, he does not see anyone else on the floor,

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like he's the same, Like he's trying to be the

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same player that he was in Houston. I told y'all,

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I didn't think that was gonna work.

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Speaker 1: Like, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't see how that could work on this team.

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I don't see that being something that's gonna be particularly helpful.

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gonna have to change a lot about his game if

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he's gonna be effective. And I know people were excited

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about because of his athleticism from the defensive upside, I'm

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not really seeing that. I'd have to look back to

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the film, but I, uh yeah, I gotta be honest

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been two games. So if there's any KPJ. Truthers out there,

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Speaker 1: Yet, don't put the address out. Yeah, yeah, it's and

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there's you know again guy who's been out been out

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of the NBA for a minute. It's it's just not

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two games in, it's not looking super good. He's made

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what three shots on eighteen attempts or something like that,

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not ideal a lot of attempts.

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some of those line up, you know, it makes sense

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that he is a little ball dominant, just given like

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there aren't a whole lot of scorers out there, which

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I understand, but like I mean, like him trying to

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go ISO on the league, I think is gonna whatever

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going to continue out about that clip. Yeah, And it's

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just and it's it's only hurting himself, is the other

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part is that it's only hurting what he can maybe

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bring to this Clippers team. All Right, we got about

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Speaker 1: If you're just getting into the stream, the Clippers beat

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the Nuggets in Denver for the first time in what

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one feels great. They getting the split on this back

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to back is so great given the fact that they

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have to go and play the Warriors tomorrow. Not sure

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what the legs are gonna look like. Genuinely don't really care.

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And I mean that in a nice way. They got

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a hard fought victory in Denver. They played good defense,

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they overcame Jokic making the most threes he's ever made.

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If they go out and have good process and they

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lose tomorrow to the Warriors, I'm bummed, But I'm not mad,

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you know what I mean. If there's good process, if

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it's some of the same stuff, there's a lot of

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good building blocks that we got in the first game,

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and we saw them kind of come to fruition in

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this game against the Nuggets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it'll be another It'll be another great

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test back to back, like our first look at a

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back to back on the road. I'm curious to see

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sort of how tylu is able to alter the rotations. Obviously,

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you know I thought that he did a better job.

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I bet that he did a I thought he did

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a better job with hards minutes even with him playing

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so much in the third, and kind of happy to

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bring him back in. I'm just curious to see what

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it's gonna look like tomorrow and what the guys are

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gonna look like tomorrow, because our big sort of like

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silver lining or upside, even if like maybe the talent

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level is in his high ceiling is that there is

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more youth than athletics as on this team. So I'm

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kind of hoping, second I have back to back, we

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can lean on that a little bit to at least,

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you know, at least keep us in this game.

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Speaker 1: Yes, while he's bringing up something that I was looking

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at on Twitter too, is it weird that I'm worried

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about Harden's mileage.

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Speaker 2: Of It is not?

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Speaker 1: It is, No, don't be don't feel weird about that

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at all. Man, he's gonna play a lot of minutes.

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There's gonna be a lot. He has so much to

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do offensively.

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Speaker 2: That's why I was saying, like, it's gonna be interesting

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to see how those minutes are run tomorrow. Like I

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think that we're gonna get Yeah, we're going to get

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a better look at what that's like. At least it

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is against an overall like older team as well.

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Speaker 1: So uh yeah, and what I'm yes, and I'm not.

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This is not an excuse for Harden, but just expect

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to see there's gonna be possessions where it's like, oh,

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I wish he jogged back for oh this happened. He's

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going to be very tired at some points in the game.

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And it's not weird at all to be worried about this.

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He played a bunch of it's for the Clippers last year.

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It's one of the reasons why he's a great addition

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Slippers because he plays so much. But managing it is

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going to be very crucial. And like you said, what

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tomorrow looks like probably a lot of Chris done. Yeah,

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maybe Terrence gets more run with the second unit, specifically

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to be more of an initiator there as a ball

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handler or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can you keep him? Can you afford to keep

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himself thirty five minutes on the second night of a

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back to back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not would be my guess. JCC saying Norm

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spared us. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. This is

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a game it feels fantastic to get this win. We

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don't know if he's fine. He also is not necessarily

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finding other teams another guys, Yes, sore losers gaming. The

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first time in Zoo's career that he's had back to

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back twenty point games, I believe, which he loved to see.

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If we wanted too to get more minutes. He got

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more minutes, and he's turned it into he turned it

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into twenty four, fifteen and four and played some good defense.

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You know, Jokicu're not at forty one. You gotta hope

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everyone else shuts down. And that's what after Michael Porter

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Junior was afraid to shoot. So it's a perfect storm

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of the Clippers playing good defense and the Nuggets looking

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well a little rough. Russ was horrible in this one.

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Loved all of his minutes from the Clippers' perspective. So yeah, hard.

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Speaker 2: Foul too, that last Russ foul that was brutal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that felt a little aggressive from from Russ point.

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It was pointed for sure, Yeah, it felt pointed. Note

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from Chung, I will say though with James, he is

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the engine, but because the athleticism is here, he doesn't

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take on as much. We saw how many assists James

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Harden had in the first quarter in this one. I

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think he had seven assists before he had a single point.

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He knows that there's guys who can get into space

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and do what he can direct them to, which is

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a great point. I think.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why I think, like, that's why I was saying,

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like talking about the managing of his minutes, because we

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can't afford to have him out a lot of whole games.

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So in game sort of rest management is I mean,

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it's gonna be absolutely paramount because we know that James

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can start seasons hot and sort of it can wear

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down on him. The rigors of a season can wear

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down on him, and with him being so crucial to

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his team, we just we have to figure out a

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way to make things as easy on him as possible,

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because I mean, if this team is gonna, you know,

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avoid the plan, I mean, hell, maybe even to make

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the plan, he's gonna have to play. But there's no

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way they can do it if he plays less than

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what fifty five games.

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Speaker 1: Something like that. Yeah, because they don't know Kawhi status.

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Of course, they think when he comes back he'll be

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healthy and good to go. But we'll see it'll be interesting.

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I think that about wraps it up. I'm feeling great

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after this win. It's on to the Warriors. Shout out

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Norm Powell, James Harden made things happened. Zubots was great,

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Chris Dunn had a great game, a lot of good stuff.

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The blueprint for how Clippers can get victories against teams

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like the Nuggets was today. Start off hot.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to start making it the Kawhi Leonard,

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James Harden, Norman Powell.

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Speaker 1: Player of the game or of Viatza Zubats. That's fair

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because I think I think that's a big thing too.

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Speaker 2: Basically, you can't pick a starter unless you think Terrence

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is gonna have it or Derrek Jones Junior, which I

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did pick in our game preview.

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Speaker 1: There we go. If you're new to the our show,

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Let's hope they can split against the Warriors tomorrow

