WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.560 I'd basically have a one hundred percent success rate, Like 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:06.719 no one gets worse, they all get better. Talking about 3 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:09.640 your boat, I had a seventy I think he's seventy 4 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:12.439 two years old when I started working with him, and 5 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:15.000 he thought, you know, he loved golf, but he thought, 6 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:17.879 this is it. I'm sixteen handicapped, I've lost it. I'm 7 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:20.559 never going to get good again. Within eight months, he 8 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:22.920 would back down to a seven. And it wasn't from 9 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:27.399 any magic stuff. It was providing the forces on the 10 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:30.679 ball that the golf ball likes. 11 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:36.039 So today I'm talking to Bradley Hughes about Bun Hogan, 12 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:40.320 Sam Snead and teaching a different way of teaching the 13 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:42.359 golf swing. Bradley, thank you for taking the time to 14 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:43.679 do this. I'm glad you're here. 15 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:46.640 Yep, You're welcome. Looking forward to it. 16 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:49.280 So I just read an article that you wrote. I 17 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:51.920 know you wrote a book about Hogan, but talking about 18 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:55.479 people trying to swing like Hogan, can you just talk 19 00:00:55.520 --> 00:01:00.159 a little bit about you know, Hogan swing and why 20 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.840 it is so incredibly difficult for I think you said 21 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.719 like nobody is really actually capable of doing it, at 22 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.719 least you know an amateurs talk a little bit about that, 23 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:13.319 and you know, tell us, you know your impressions of 24 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:15.760 people trying to use Hogan swing. 25 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:17.280 Well, I think it's possible. 26 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:22.359 But you've got to understand that when people diagnose Hogan's swing, 27 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:25.680 there's some footage, you know, probably not great footage of 28 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:28.599 his swing. You know, in action, there's a little bit around, 29 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:32.640 certainly not high definition, certainly not slowed down enough that 30 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:35.799 you can really pinpoint a lot of things. So most 31 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:40.840 Hogan swing thoughts are based off still photographs. 32 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:43.400 Pictures of Hogan. Now you've got to remember. 33 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:46.200 That a picture is just a spot in the swing. 34 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:50.480 There's something that came before it, and there's something that's 35 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:53.959 going to come after. So when you see a picture, 36 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:57.959 a lot of people try and pose that picture. They 37 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:01.079 try and get in that position. And whereas that position 38 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:04.480 is something, like I said, that's already happened and something 39 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:05.879 that is going to happen. 40 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:06.879 So you can kind of. 41 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:09.639 Put it down to still photographs or a moment in time, 42 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.560 and they're not just a moment, they're not just what 43 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:15.759 you see. I think a lot of people, you know, 44 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:17.800 Hogan had the big angle coming down a. 45 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:19.560 Lot of lag as he would call it. 46 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:22.280 There is a jury out some He talked about having 47 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:23.919 a cup wrist, and a lot of people try and 48 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:26.439 say that he had a bow risk. But again that 49 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:30.159 relates back to the still photo because basically, when you 50 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.080 are coming down with a cupped wrists and you're releasing 51 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.240 your forearms like he I believe he did, he puts 52 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:39.520 force in and that cup now starts to flat. 53 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:42.039 Now that becomes more of a bow, but. 54 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:47.680 It's more of a achieved by force rather than achieved 55 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:49.159 by trying to do it. 56 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:51.960 So that's why a lot of people have trouble. 57 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.400 You know, obviously he has a he had this big 58 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:57.240 long back swing whether his hands, you know, the club 59 00:02:57.319 --> 00:02:59.800 was way down his back and everything. 60 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:01.599 People try and do that. 61 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:04.319 And there's there's you've got to remember, you know, even 62 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:09.080 though there's you know, he talked about in the one 63 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:11.400 of those Golf Life magazine I think it was, he 64 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:13.000 came out with his secret, as he. 65 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:17.120 Called it, right, multiple secrets for it. 66 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.280 Last time I checked, he had like twenty five different 67 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:21.960 secrets and they all blend in together. You know, he 68 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.319 had an extra spike in his right shoe. He he 69 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:29.840 talked about the you know, the way he fell in transition, 70 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:32.719 he went into a straight or right leg, and as 71 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.199 he pushed into that leg, he kind of fell laterally. 72 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.039 Now people are teaching that, but they're not teaching it 73 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:42.000 the way he did it. They're basically doing a bent 74 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:44.039 right leg and then trying to get everyone to get 75 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:47.199 over there like he did. So there's a lot of formation, 76 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:53.479 not without good intention. You know, you can only he 77 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:54.800 can only teach what you know. 78 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:56.400 And I did a. 79 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:00.639 Big study after I stopped playing golf in two thousand 80 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:06.120 and eight. And I will say that in my golf career, 81 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.000 even though I didn't win as many tournaments, I would 82 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.159 have liked my short game one and as great as 83 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:12.360 it could have been. But I was always recognized as 84 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:18.079 a good ball striker, and so I had the inside information. 85 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:20.160 Maybe I didn't know what I was doing at the 86 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:22.720 time to be able to do it, to be able 87 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:26.000 to say what I was doing. But when I started teaching, 88 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:29.920 I went deep dive into a lot of different swings 89 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:33.199 my swing. Obviously Hogan swings sneed swing, but I also 90 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:37.639 went into swings that weren't popular, like an Arnold Palmer 91 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.480 swing or there was a guy in Australia called Peter 92 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.560 senior used to win every second or third tournament. He 93 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:47.560 had an ungainly looking swing. So I kind of tried 94 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:52.560 to look at what these not so good swings or 95 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:56.240 not revered swings, what they were doing that made them 96 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:00.920 so good, And the similarities were pretty much as there 97 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.240 was certain components that they did in their swing that 98 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:07.480 even though they all look different and we should look 99 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:10.199 different because they're all different sizes and shapes and builds 100 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:14.360 strengths in different areas. You know, I base stance with 101 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:18.199 off my shouldered with for different clubs, so my shoulders 102 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:20.040 might be bigger than someone else's. We're all going to 103 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:21.959 look different. So I think that's one of the good 104 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.000 things I've never done is if you get a lesson 105 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:25.000 off me, you're never going to see me. 106 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:26.240 Put Adam Scott on the. 107 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:29.319 Other side of the screen and say, now look, Adam 108 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.399 Scott's here and you're doing this. You should Well, you 109 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:36.360 can't do that because everyone's different. But basically think I 110 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:38.839 I'm not sure where it is on one of my websites, 111 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:43.040 but I do have a comparison of myself and Ben Hogan, 112 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:48.839 and it's almost identical, Like it's really really close to identical. Now, 113 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.759 having said that, it's from the top of the swing 114 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:54.000 to the finish, it's not my back swing. My back 115 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:58.240 swing was very different to his, but we did almost 116 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:01.199 the identical same weight shit, the load of the club, 117 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.560 that the arm release, the body overtaken, all these different things. 118 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:06.439 So from that standpoint, I think. 119 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.199 I have a pretty good grasp on what he did 120 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:13.199 because I'm not guessing. I'm actually basing it off something 121 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.319 I can do, and I've taught people how to not 122 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:21.199 hundred percent again look like Hogan, but create the dynamics 123 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.680 that he did. It's the important thing because the golf 124 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.040 ball doesn't really care what your swing looks like. It 125 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:30.120 cares about the dynamics that are put on the ball 126 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.079 because the ball can't make. 127 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:32.600 Up it's mine. 128 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:34.399 Say hey, Josh, I'm just going to hit it over 129 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:36.399 there because you're hitting the ball. You can't do that. 130 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:37.920 It's got to do what you tell it to do. 131 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:41.000 So how you know, are you obviously like you know 132 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:42.959 you're playing, I mean, you were a terrific ball striker. 133 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:45.519 How did you develop you know your swing? Did you 134 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.000 have a teacher or did you were you kind of 135 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.319 self taught or how did you you know? Kind of 136 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:51.120 come about your swing. 137 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:56.639 I was very much self taught, but I was a 138 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:01.000 good imitator. So I was very very good at Australian 139 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.439 rules football. If anyone's ever watched that game, I got 140 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.040 signed to play that when I was fifteen, I got 141 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.600 signed to play pro. In that I could play cricket, 142 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.480 I could do the beanbag toss like I can do 143 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:16.800 most sports. And it's not because I'm more talented than someone. 144 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:19.759 I think I was very observant, Like I could see. 145 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:22.439 I could see things that were happening, Like even to 146 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:24.480 this day, if I kicked the football up in the air, 147 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.800 you know, twenty yards in the air, I could tell 148 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.639 within ten foot of it touch in the ground or 149 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:32.360 hitting the ground which way it was going to bounce, 150 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:34.600 because I could tell by the spiral of I can 151 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:38.800 see kind of the things behind what you're seeing. And 152 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.319 I think that's what really helped me with a golf swing, 153 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.040 in that I could see things that were happening, but 154 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:48.279 I wasn't putting that down to what I was actually seeing. 155 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.720 I could base both sides of that story or that 156 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.240 photograph what was going on. And I also did have 157 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.240 the tremendous opportunity when I was very young, like twelve 158 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.319 years old. I first met Greg Norman and he'd let 159 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.000 me walk around practice rounds with him. So I would 160 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:07.360 walk around the practice round with him, watch him, him 161 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:09.480 and his caddy and me, Like there was no one 162 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:12.319 else watching because it was early and no one. No 163 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:14.360 one went to practice rounds back in that day. They 164 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.720 just went to view the tournament. So I walk around, 165 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.480 I would watch him, I would ask him questions. I 166 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.839 would you know, get some observations off him, what he felt, 167 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:26.120 what he thought he was doing. 168 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:27.959 And then at the end of the day, I'd. 169 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:29.720 Go back to my golf club and I'd go to 170 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:31.639 the range and I'd work on all these things. So 171 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:36.200 technically I based my swing off Greg Norman because he 172 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.759 was aussy god at that time when I. 173 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:39.879 Was growing up and getting. 174 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:44.840 And it just worked, you know, I had I had 175 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:46.720 the right foot slide like Norman had. 176 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:47.919 Now, I didn't mean to do it. 177 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:51.120 It just happened based on me swinging a golf club 178 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:55.399 and using some of the logics that I. 179 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:57.480 Kind of saw he had talked to me about. 180 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:00.600 So that's how my swing was back. So I didn't 181 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:05.840 have instruction, but we had a coach for our state team, 182 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:08.399 but they didn't do a lot. They kind of just 183 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:10.840 kept an eye on things and kind of told you 184 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:12.559 how good you were and just said, all right, let's 185 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:16.039 go win and things like that. As far as swing philosophies, 186 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:19.320 I really had none. I just had Greg Norman. But 187 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:21.759 Greg Norman copied off Jack Nicholas, so it was a 188 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:27.879 pretty good pedigree, right. And then I also would mess around. 189 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.279 I'd have a Sevy Bellisteros swing, and I had a 190 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:32.879 curt a strange swing and a kind of feel of 191 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:38.120 different players. But my home built swing was definitely based 192 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:42.360 off Greg Norman. And he was obviously phenomenal golfer and 193 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.120 striker of the ball. People still talking or about how 194 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:47.120 well he drove the ball. 195 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.159 Oh yeah, no, he was. I mean I remember when 196 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.919 he was, you know, on top and he was unbelievable 197 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:55.919 to watch, I mean, you know, and then hit the 198 00:09:55.960 --> 00:10:00.279 ball just unbelievably. Now and now I know you you'd 199 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:02.720 mentioned somewhere that you know, you you'd kind of and 200 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.799 you just talked about it, you know, like his footwork 201 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:06.759 talk a little bit, you know, just quickly about you 202 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.120 know what about Norman's you know, we're the things that 203 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.000 you know, you kind of copy it or that you 204 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.559 picked up and what was it about, you know, his 205 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:19.279 footwork that you thought was you know me, It's all great, so. 206 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.519 Anyone can go back and watch this. But I'm talking. 207 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:25.360 You know Norman in the eighties, probably up to mid nineties, 208 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:27.840 he changed his swing a little bit after that he 209 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:29.960 got shorter and round her and when he worked with 210 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:31.840 Butch haarm and Butch Harmon actually wanted to take that 211 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:36.440 footwork away and he kind of succeeded. But now today 212 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:38.919 we have Scottie Chefser doing it right. Gary Play used 213 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:40.720 to do it, Ben Ogan did it. You know there 214 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:44.039 was this, so it's not it's not. And I actually 215 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:48.279 laugh at watching people on social media or YouTube trying 216 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.960 to do the foot slide move because again they're actually 217 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:55.600 trying to do it, whereas when I did it, I 218 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:57.200 didn't try to it. I didn't even know I did 219 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.320 it right. He was just a pressure force. I'll tell 220 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.080 you how it works. I would watch Greg Norman, like 221 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.279 I said, you watch him back in the He's in 222 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.320 the early nineties before he took the club away. 223 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.399 You could physically. 224 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:14.600 See himself push himself into the ground, so he was 225 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:20.600 building a pressure into the ground, which I think helped 226 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:25.200 him coordinate this wide takeaway. So that's what happened to me. 227 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.000 So when you create a wide takeaway, you created a 228 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.240 lot of download and you have to really use your 229 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:36.039 feet to use that download. You know, most people angles 230 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.200 are great, but if you can't get rid of them properly, 231 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:41.519 they're worthless. You know, they're not worth it. So this 232 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:45.080 is what Hogan did as well. They physically pushed themselves 233 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:48.360 into the ground. So when the transition came and they 234 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:51.120 want to push, because remember if I'm throwing or jumping 235 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:53.840 or shooting a basketball, I'm going to push into the 236 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:57.159 ground to do that action, so that there is an 237 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.399 automatic push in the ground. But what people do is 238 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.840 they don't build enough to start so when that push comes, 239 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:04.799 their body sort of jumps up and down, so they 240 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:09.000 get the early extension because they've basically gone from no 241 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:13.000 pressure to a lot of pressure that the body can't handle. 242 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:15.679 So what he did was he set it to begin with, 243 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.840 and then when he added to it, his brain said, 244 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.480 don't give that up, like, keep using it, and then 245 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:23.879 what happens is when you push into the ground. The 246 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:26.000 other thing that I asked him about was how do 247 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:28.879 you get that high finish? Because his arms would fly 248 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:32.799 almost vertical to the end. He goes, I am on 249 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.279 the way through, I am pulling my left side. And 250 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.759 he was adamant that it was his left side. It 251 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.320 was not his hip, and it was not his shoulder. 252 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.440 It was his abs and obliques. He was pulling that 253 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:48.840 away from impact. And what happened is the extra foot pressure, 254 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:53.759 the pushing, pushing, pushing, and never giving that up provided 255 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:57.519 the resistance that his left side could pull on the 256 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.159 through scring. Now, if you think about it, if you're 257 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:02.720 still pushing into the ground hard and not jumping away 258 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:06.679 yet pushing down push, push, push, so you're not just 259 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.600 going vertical, you're actually going horizontal as well. Because your 260 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.279 feet are pushing towards one another. That would be the 261 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.399 knees getting closer and all that that provides a resistance 262 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.320 for this left side to pull. Now, if you think 263 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:21.080 about it, when the left side's pulling, which direction is 264 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:21.559 it pulling? 265 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:22.240 B side? 266 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.720 Okay, so the left side is pulling go ahead. 267 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.399 Way away and behind you? Yes? Yes, correct? 268 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:31.679 So which direction does his right foot go away and 269 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:33.559 behind him? 270 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:34.240 Okay? 271 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:38.039 So he is pulling that foot out of the traction 272 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.200 in the direction that that pivot. 273 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.840 Is pulling, So it's a it's a full pressurized reaction. 274 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:47.879 It's not trying to do it. So I think I 275 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:50.279 saw Patrick Harrington trying to do any fell over and 276 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:53.519 miss the ball. I think because he didn't he didn't 277 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:56.519 know the pressures. People are just trying to slide their 278 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:59.360 foot when it's actually not And if you think about 279 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.399 cheflets day, his key component is he never hits the 280 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:06.840 ball left because his body, his left side, he's pulling 281 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:09.120 harder than his hands or arms can do on the 282 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:12.320 through swing, so he never crosses the club over, so 283 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:14.919 he always hits it straight or cuts it, and that 284 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:17.559 means he's pulling hard on his left side to create that, 285 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.600 and that's why his foot also goes. So it's actually 286 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.960 very simple to understand, but very hard for people to 287 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:27.480 do it. If they don't know that, they're just trying 288 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:30.720 to do it rather than it be a reaction like 289 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:34.440 the the vapor coming out of a plane, like that's 290 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:36.399 just the reaction to all the engines going on the 291 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.519 air coming in them so forth. So a lot of 292 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.679 the golf swing is reaction by force. It's not actually 293 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:46.639 trying to do something, and that's the way I teach. 294 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:52.000 I teach people to understand pressures, force, and a couple 295 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:56.279 of main important things like the path four thirty path 296 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:56.720 I call it. 297 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.000 I think that's what all these great players did. 298 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:04.080 They had the the club behind them, wristcock, arms rotated 299 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.960 and the shaft would kind of cut them right across 300 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.840 the middle of their body. So when they released their arms, 301 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:12.200 the club went, the body went with the club and 302 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:14.799 the arms, and there was a kind of no flipping. 303 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:16.039 Noticed. 304 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.399 Most of those players all hated missing left. I teach 305 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:23.960 one of Arnold Palmer's grandsons, and he came to see 306 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.480 me because his granddad had hated hitting the left, and 307 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.519 he talked to him about a lot of things and 308 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:35.360 everything that I talk about Arnie told him, so he went. 309 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:37.679 He started coming to see me about four or five 310 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:42.080 years ago and is playing fantastically well. But he understands 311 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:45.080 it because his grandpa actually instilled it in him. So 312 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:49.039 that makes me quite happy. That I never met Ben Hogan, 313 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:51.600 I never met Sam Snead. Obviously I met Greg Norman, 314 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:56.320 but Arnold Palmer had one of the great after impact 315 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:00.480 body motions of all time. It was really fun is 316 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.399 how quickly he spun his left side away from the 317 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.480 ball after he hit it because he hated going left. 318 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:09.519 So obviously he did hit a few left like an 319 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.519 Olympic when he lost, but he didn't like hitting the left, 320 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:14.840 and he was doing everything to hit it hard. 321 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:17.720 But not hit it left. And that's kind of. 322 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.039 I think what all these great players achieve that they 323 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.639 managed to take one side of the course out of play, 324 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:28.480 but not from fear or from guiding or from being 325 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:31.039 careful about it. They were still very aggressive, and that's 326 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.720 built out of strong release foot pressure and then the 327 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:35.960 left side, Paul. 328 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:46.039 For the average golfer, I'm guessing who comes to see 329 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:49.919 you who's not Arnold Palmer's grandson, but who's somebody like 330 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:53.080 me who's like a twelve right? Our problem is hitting 331 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:56.399 it to the right, correct? I mean, are both people? 332 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.720 So it's not always, but yes, most most times? Yes? 333 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:03.120 Right? I mean that's that's you know, because it's the 334 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:06.079 one hitting it. You know, hitting it left is the 335 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:09.400 curse of the really good, of the really good golfer, 336 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:11.400 and the hitting it right as the curse of the 337 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.039 average golfer. So what do you you know for somebody 338 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.599 who when they mishit are hitting it right all the time? 339 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:19.000 What you know? What's you know? 340 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.720 What do you do with somebody like that to help them? 341 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.720 So I have Once I stopped playing and I started teaching. 342 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:27.640 I was not very good at teaching when I started. 343 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.559 And I say that because I had no real philosophy. 344 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:36.039 I didn't really know what I did growing up. Had ideas, 345 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.799 but I basically taught. And I didn't have golf lessons 346 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:43.240 until I was twenty six or so, and I'd already, 347 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:45.720 you know, won of Master's and I'd played on the 348 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:48.920 President's Cup and all this cool stuff really before it 349 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.400 had lessons. And there any reason I had a lesson 350 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:55.079 or had some lessons was I was going to move 351 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:58.599 to America, So I wanted to understand my swing better 352 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:01.119 because I was not going to be able to go 353 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:04.960 back to my home turf in Melbourne and practice and 354 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:08.759 be in a familiar place and familiar company and do 355 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:10.359 my routine. I was going to get out of my 356 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.799 routine by moving to America, where I really didn't know 357 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:16.319 hardly anyone. So I wanted to understand my swing. But 358 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.960 no one could explain my swing because I had the 359 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:23.240 very wide backswing like Greg Norman. I had this massive 360 00:18:23.279 --> 00:18:25.799 angle down, I had the foot sliding, I had the 361 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:28.160 high finish. I had all these crazy things going on 362 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:33.279 that no one could explain because at that point in time, 363 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.160 mid nineties were talking ledbetter. He was the man because 364 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:40.400 he had Nick Price and he had Nick Feldo. So 365 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:44.079 everyone was teaching their methods. Set the club, early, turned 366 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:47.279 the shoulders, use the big muscles, all this stuff, and 367 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:49.920 that was totally different to what I was doing. So 368 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:55.200 my swing got changed, not because I wanted to its 369 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:57.599 because no one could explain what I was doing. So 370 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:02.119 I got sort of poached into the method of the day. 371 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.519 So that's where with my teaching, I've had people come 372 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:09.319 and they have this great download, like this unbelievable angle 373 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:12.160 coming down. One of the guys from Austraya I taught, 374 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.960 he was he won the British Amateur in twenty ten. 375 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:17.160 I think Bridon mcphersony. 376 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.039 He came in saw me and he goes, I've had 377 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:20.839 all these coaches they want to get rid of this angle. 378 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:22.400 I go, dude, don't get rid of the angle. I'm 379 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:24.359 just going to teach you how to use that angle. 380 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:26.240 I want that angle. 381 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.839 There because it's actually a big bonus for you. 382 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:31.279 So now getting back to why you know people slice, 383 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:34.000 the first drill that I teach them is I teach 384 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:36.279 him to learn to release what I call the four 385 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:39.640 thirty path. And to explain that, I always teach from 386 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:41.720 the golfer's view. I don't teach from a camera view 387 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:44.279 or my view. I always teach it from their perspective, 388 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:47.559 so they've got to see down below and understand it 389 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.960 from their eyes, not from the eyes. 390 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:50.240 Of a camera. 391 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:52.480 So the four thirty path is, if there was a 392 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:55.519 big clock on the ground down in front of them, 393 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:58.440 the golfer, the ball would be the middle of the clock, 394 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:01.200 and their feet would be at six o'clock and the 395 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:04.319 target line would extend from three o'clock to nine o'clock, 396 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:07.759 so that three o'clock would be behind them to the right, 397 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:11.200 and four thirty would kind of dissect the target line 398 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:11.720 and their feet. 399 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:13.960 And that's kind of an inside approach, right, That's where 400 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:16.319 all the the good players came from. 401 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:20.839