Speaker 1: I'd basically have a one hundred percent success rate, Like
Speaker 1: no one gets worse, they all get better. Talking about
Speaker 1: your boat, I had a seventy I think he's seventy
Speaker 1: two years old when I started working with him, and
Speaker 1: he thought, you know, he loved golf, but he thought,
Speaker 1: this is it. I'm sixteen handicapped, I've lost it. I'm
Speaker 1: never going to get good again. Within eight months, he
Speaker 1: would back down to a seven. And it wasn't from
Speaker 1: any magic stuff. It was providing the forces on the
Speaker 1: ball that the golf ball likes.
Speaker 2: So today I'm talking to Bradley Hughes about Bun Hogan,
Speaker 2: Sam Snead and teaching a different way of teaching the
Speaker 2: golf swing. Bradley, thank you for taking the time to
Speaker 2: do this. I'm glad you're here.
Speaker 3: Yep, You're welcome. Looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: So I just read an article that you wrote. I
Speaker 2: know you wrote a book about Hogan, but talking about
Speaker 2: people trying to swing like Hogan, can you just talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about you know, Hogan swing and why
Speaker 2: it is so incredibly difficult for I think you said
Speaker 2: like nobody is really actually capable of doing it, at
Speaker 2: least you know an amateurs talk a little bit about that,
Speaker 2: and you know, tell us, you know your impressions of
Speaker 2: people trying to use Hogan swing.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's possible.
Speaker 1: But you've got to understand that when people diagnose Hogan's swing,
Speaker 1: there's some footage, you know, probably not great footage of
Speaker 1: his swing. You know, in action, there's a little bit around,
Speaker 1: certainly not high definition, certainly not slowed down enough that
Speaker 1: you can really pinpoint a lot of things. So most
Speaker 1: Hogan swing thoughts are based off still photographs.
Speaker 3: Pictures of Hogan. Now you've got to remember.
Speaker 1: That a picture is just a spot in the swing.
Speaker 1: There's something that came before it, and there's something that's
Speaker 1: going to come after. So when you see a picture,
Speaker 1: a lot of people try and pose that picture. They
Speaker 1: try and get in that position. And whereas that position
Speaker 1: is something, like I said, that's already happened and something
Speaker 1: that is going to happen.
Speaker 3: So you can kind of.
Speaker 1: Put it down to still photographs or a moment in time,
Speaker 1: and they're not just a moment, they're not just what
Speaker 1: you see. I think a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: Hogan had the big angle coming down a.
Speaker 3: Lot of lag as he would call it.
Speaker 1: There is a jury out some He talked about having
Speaker 1: a cup wrist, and a lot of people try and
Speaker 1: say that he had a bow risk. But again that
Speaker 1: relates back to the still photo because basically, when you
Speaker 1: are coming down with a cupped wrists and you're releasing
Speaker 1: your forearms like he I believe he did, he puts
Speaker 1: force in and that cup now starts to flat.
Speaker 3: Now that becomes more of a bow, but.
Speaker 1: It's more of a achieved by force rather than achieved
Speaker 1: by trying to do it.
Speaker 3: So that's why a lot of people have trouble.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously he has a he had this big
Speaker 1: long back swing whether his hands, you know, the club
Speaker 1: was way down his back and everything.
Speaker 3: People try and do that.
Speaker 1: And there's there's you've got to remember, you know, even
Speaker 1: though there's you know, he talked about in the one
Speaker 1: of those Golf Life magazine I think it was, he
Speaker 1: came out with his secret, as he.
Speaker 3: Called it, right, multiple secrets for it.
Speaker 1: Last time I checked, he had like twenty five different
Speaker 1: secrets and they all blend in together. You know, he
Speaker 1: had an extra spike in his right shoe. He he
Speaker 1: talked about the you know, the way he fell in transition,
Speaker 1: he went into a straight or right leg, and as
Speaker 1: he pushed into that leg, he kind of fell laterally.
Speaker 1: Now people are teaching that, but they're not teaching it
Speaker 1: the way he did it. They're basically doing a bent
Speaker 1: right leg and then trying to get everyone to get
Speaker 1: over there like he did. So there's a lot of formation,
Speaker 1: not without good intention. You know, you can only he
Speaker 1: can only teach what you know.
Speaker 3: And I did a.
Speaker 1: Big study after I stopped playing golf in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight. And I will say that in my golf career,
Speaker 1: even though I didn't win as many tournaments, I would
Speaker 1: have liked my short game one and as great as
Speaker 1: it could have been. But I was always recognized as
Speaker 1: a good ball striker, and so I had the inside information.
Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't know what I was doing at the
Speaker 1: time to be able to do it, to be able
Speaker 1: to say what I was doing. But when I started teaching,
Speaker 1: I went deep dive into a lot of different swings
Speaker 1: my swing. Obviously Hogan swings sneed swing, but I also
Speaker 1: went into swings that weren't popular, like an Arnold Palmer
Speaker 1: swing or there was a guy in Australia called Peter
Speaker 1: senior used to win every second or third tournament. He
Speaker 1: had an ungainly looking swing. So I kind of tried
Speaker 1: to look at what these not so good swings or
Speaker 1: not revered swings, what they were doing that made them
Speaker 1: so good, And the similarities were pretty much as there
Speaker 1: was certain components that they did in their swing that
Speaker 1: even though they all look different and we should look
Speaker 1: different because they're all different sizes and shapes and builds
Speaker 1: strengths in different areas. You know, I base stance with
Speaker 1: off my shouldered with for different clubs, so my shoulders
Speaker 1: might be bigger than someone else's. We're all going to
Speaker 1: look different. So I think that's one of the good
Speaker 1: things I've never done is if you get a lesson
Speaker 1: off me, you're never going to see me.
Speaker 3: Put Adam Scott on the.
Speaker 1: Other side of the screen and say, now look, Adam
Speaker 1: Scott's here and you're doing this. You should Well, you
Speaker 1: can't do that because everyone's different. But basically think I
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where it is on one of my websites,
Speaker 1: but I do have a comparison of myself and Ben Hogan,
Speaker 1: and it's almost identical, Like it's really really close to identical. Now,
Speaker 1: having said that, it's from the top of the swing
Speaker 1: to the finish, it's not my back swing. My back
Speaker 1: swing was very different to his, but we did almost
Speaker 1: the identical same weight shit, the load of the club,
Speaker 1: that the arm release, the body overtaken, all these different things.
Speaker 3: So from that standpoint, I think.
Speaker 1: I have a pretty good grasp on what he did
Speaker 1: because I'm not guessing. I'm actually basing it off something
Speaker 1: I can do, and I've taught people how to not
Speaker 1: hundred percent again look like Hogan, but create the dynamics
Speaker 1: that he did. It's the important thing because the golf
Speaker 1: ball doesn't really care what your swing looks like. It
Speaker 1: cares about the dynamics that are put on the ball
Speaker 1: because the ball can't make.
Speaker 3: Up it's mine.
Speaker 1: Say hey, Josh, I'm just going to hit it over
Speaker 1: there because you're hitting the ball. You can't do that.
Speaker 3: It's got to do what you tell it to do.
Speaker 2: So how you know, are you obviously like you know
Speaker 2: you're playing, I mean, you were a terrific ball striker.
Speaker 2: How did you develop you know your swing? Did you
Speaker 2: have a teacher or did you were you kind of
Speaker 2: self taught or how did you you know? Kind of
Speaker 2: come about your swing.
Speaker 1: I was very much self taught, but I was a
Speaker 1: good imitator. So I was very very good at Australian
Speaker 1: rules football. If anyone's ever watched that game, I got
Speaker 1: signed to play that when I was fifteen, I got
Speaker 1: signed to play pro. In that I could play cricket,
Speaker 1: I could do the beanbag toss like I can do
Speaker 1: most sports. And it's not because I'm more talented than someone.
Speaker 1: I think I was very observant, Like I could see.
Speaker 1: I could see things that were happening, Like even to
Speaker 1: this day, if I kicked the football up in the air,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty yards in the air, I could tell
Speaker 1: within ten foot of it touch in the ground or
Speaker 1: hitting the ground which way it was going to bounce,
Speaker 1: because I could tell by the spiral of I can
Speaker 1: see kind of the things behind what you're seeing. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what really helped me with a golf swing,
Speaker 1: in that I could see things that were happening, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't putting that down to what I was actually seeing.
Speaker 1: I could base both sides of that story or that
Speaker 1: photograph what was going on. And I also did have
Speaker 1: the tremendous opportunity when I was very young, like twelve
Speaker 1: years old. I first met Greg Norman and he'd let
Speaker 1: me walk around practice rounds with him. So I would
Speaker 1: walk around the practice round with him, watch him, him
Speaker 1: and his caddy and me, Like there was no one
Speaker 1: else watching because it was early and no one. No
Speaker 1: one went to practice rounds back in that day. They
Speaker 1: just went to view the tournament. So I walk around,
Speaker 1: I would watch him, I would ask him questions. I
Speaker 1: would you know, get some observations off him, what he felt,
Speaker 1: what he thought he was doing.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the day, I'd.
Speaker 1: Go back to my golf club and I'd go to
Speaker 1: the range and I'd work on all these things. So
Speaker 1: technically I based my swing off Greg Norman because he
Speaker 1: was aussy god at that time when I.
Speaker 3: Was growing up and getting.
Speaker 1: And it just worked, you know, I had I had
Speaker 1: the right foot slide like Norman had.
Speaker 3: Now, I didn't mean to do it.
Speaker 1: It just happened based on me swinging a golf club
Speaker 1: and using some of the logics that I.
Speaker 3: Kind of saw he had talked to me about.
Speaker 1: So that's how my swing was back. So I didn't
Speaker 1: have instruction, but we had a coach for our state team,
Speaker 1: but they didn't do a lot. They kind of just
Speaker 1: kept an eye on things and kind of told you
Speaker 1: how good you were and just said, all right, let's
Speaker 1: go win and things like that. As far as swing philosophies,
Speaker 1: I really had none. I just had Greg Norman. But
Speaker 1: Greg Norman copied off Jack Nicholas, so it was a
Speaker 1: pretty good pedigree, right. And then I also would mess around.
Speaker 1: I'd have a Sevy Bellisteros swing, and I had a
Speaker 1: curt a strange swing and a kind of feel of
Speaker 1: different players. But my home built swing was definitely based
Speaker 1: off Greg Norman. And he was obviously phenomenal golfer and
Speaker 1: striker of the ball. People still talking or about how
Speaker 1: well he drove the ball.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, he was. I mean I remember when
Speaker 2: he was, you know, on top and he was unbelievable
Speaker 2: to watch, I mean, you know, and then hit the
Speaker 2: ball just unbelievably. Now and now I know you you'd
Speaker 2: mentioned somewhere that you know, you you'd kind of and
Speaker 2: you just talked about it, you know, like his footwork
Speaker 2: talk a little bit, you know, just quickly about you
Speaker 2: know what about Norman's you know, we're the things that
Speaker 2: you know, you kind of copy it or that you
Speaker 2: picked up and what was it about, you know, his
Speaker 2: footwork that you thought was you know me, It's all great, so.
Speaker 1: Anyone can go back and watch this. But I'm talking.
Speaker 1: You know Norman in the eighties, probably up to mid nineties,
Speaker 1: he changed his swing a little bit after that he
Speaker 1: got shorter and round her and when he worked with
Speaker 1: Butch haarm and Butch Harmon actually wanted to take that
Speaker 1: footwork away and he kind of succeeded. But now today
Speaker 1: we have Scottie Chefser doing it right. Gary Play used
Speaker 1: to do it, Ben Ogan did it. You know there
Speaker 1: was this, so it's not it's not. And I actually
Speaker 1: laugh at watching people on social media or YouTube trying
Speaker 1: to do the foot slide move because again they're actually
Speaker 1: trying to do it, whereas when I did it, I
Speaker 1: didn't try to it. I didn't even know I did
Speaker 1: it right. He was just a pressure force. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you how it works. I would watch Greg Norman, like
Speaker 1: I said, you watch him back in the He's in
Speaker 1: the early nineties before he took the club away.
Speaker 3: You could physically.
Speaker 1: See himself push himself into the ground, so he was
Speaker 1: building a pressure into the ground, which I think helped
Speaker 1: him coordinate this wide takeaway. So that's what happened to me.
Speaker 1: So when you create a wide takeaway, you created a
Speaker 1: lot of download and you have to really use your
Speaker 1: feet to use that download. You know, most people angles
Speaker 1: are great, but if you can't get rid of them properly,
Speaker 1: they're worthless. You know, they're not worth it. So this
Speaker 1: is what Hogan did as well. They physically pushed themselves
Speaker 1: into the ground. So when the transition came and they
Speaker 1: want to push, because remember if I'm throwing or jumping
Speaker 1: or shooting a basketball, I'm going to push into the
Speaker 1: ground to do that action, so that there is an
Speaker 1: automatic push in the ground. But what people do is
Speaker 1: they don't build enough to start so when that push comes,
Speaker 1: their body sort of jumps up and down, so they
Speaker 1: get the early extension because they've basically gone from no
Speaker 1: pressure to a lot of pressure that the body can't handle.
Speaker 1: So what he did was he set it to begin with,
Speaker 1: and then when he added to it, his brain said,
Speaker 1: don't give that up, like, keep using it, and then
Speaker 1: what happens is when you push into the ground. The
Speaker 1: other thing that I asked him about was how do
Speaker 1: you get that high finish? Because his arms would fly
Speaker 1: almost vertical to the end. He goes, I am on
Speaker 1: the way through, I am pulling my left side. And
Speaker 1: he was adamant that it was his left side. It
Speaker 1: was not his hip, and it was not his shoulder.
Speaker 1: It was his abs and obliques. He was pulling that
Speaker 1: away from impact. And what happened is the extra foot pressure,
Speaker 1: the pushing, pushing, pushing, and never giving that up provided
Speaker 1: the resistance that his left side could pull on the
Speaker 1: through scring. Now, if you think about it, if you're
Speaker 1: still pushing into the ground hard and not jumping away
Speaker 1: yet pushing down push, push, push, so you're not just
Speaker 1: going vertical, you're actually going horizontal as well. Because your
Speaker 1: feet are pushing towards one another. That would be the
Speaker 1: knees getting closer and all that that provides a resistance
Speaker 1: for this left side to pull. Now, if you think
Speaker 1: about it, when the left side's pulling, which direction is
Speaker 1: it pulling?
Speaker 3: B side?
Speaker 2: Okay, so the left side is pulling go ahead.
Speaker 3: Way away and behind you? Yes? Yes, correct?
Speaker 1: So which direction does his right foot go away and
Speaker 1: behind him?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: So he is pulling that foot out of the traction
Speaker 1: in the direction that that pivot.
Speaker 3: Is pulling, So it's a it's a full pressurized reaction.
Speaker 1: It's not trying to do it. So I think I
Speaker 1: saw Patrick Harrington trying to do any fell over and
Speaker 1: miss the ball. I think because he didn't he didn't
Speaker 1: know the pressures. People are just trying to slide their
Speaker 1: foot when it's actually not And if you think about
Speaker 1: cheflets day, his key component is he never hits the
Speaker 1: ball left because his body, his left side, he's pulling
Speaker 1: harder than his hands or arms can do on the
Speaker 1: through swing, so he never crosses the club over, so
Speaker 1: he always hits it straight or cuts it, and that
Speaker 1: means he's pulling hard on his left side to create that,
Speaker 1: and that's why his foot also goes. So it's actually
Speaker 1: very simple to understand, but very hard for people to
Speaker 1: do it. If they don't know that, they're just trying
Speaker 1: to do it rather than it be a reaction like
Speaker 1: the the vapor coming out of a plane, like that's
Speaker 1: just the reaction to all the engines going on the
Speaker 1: air coming in them so forth. So a lot of
Speaker 1: the golf swing is reaction by force. It's not actually
Speaker 1: trying to do something, and that's the way I teach.
Speaker 1: I teach people to understand pressures, force, and a couple
Speaker 1: of main important things like the path four thirty path
Speaker 1: I call it.
Speaker 3: I think that's what all these great players did.
Speaker 1: They had the the club behind them, wristcock, arms rotated
Speaker 1: and the shaft would kind of cut them right across
Speaker 1: the middle of their body. So when they released their arms,
Speaker 1: the club went, the body went with the club and
Speaker 1: the arms, and there was a kind of no flipping.
Speaker 3: Noticed.
Speaker 1: Most of those players all hated missing left. I teach
Speaker 1: one of Arnold Palmer's grandsons, and he came to see
Speaker 1: me because his granddad had hated hitting the left, and
Speaker 1: he talked to him about a lot of things and
Speaker 1: everything that I talk about Arnie told him, so he went.
Speaker 1: He started coming to see me about four or five
Speaker 1: years ago and is playing fantastically well. But he understands
Speaker 1: it because his grandpa actually instilled it in him. So
Speaker 1: that makes me quite happy. That I never met Ben Hogan,
Speaker 1: I never met Sam Snead. Obviously I met Greg Norman,
Speaker 1: but Arnold Palmer had one of the great after impact
Speaker 1: body motions of all time. It was really fun is
Speaker 1: how quickly he spun his left side away from the
Speaker 1: ball after he hit it because he hated going left.
Speaker 1: So obviously he did hit a few left like an
Speaker 1: Olympic when he lost, but he didn't like hitting the left,
Speaker 1: and he was doing everything to hit it hard.
Speaker 3: But not hit it left. And that's kind of.
Speaker 1: I think what all these great players achieve that they
Speaker 1: managed to take one side of the course out of play,
Speaker 1: but not from fear or from guiding or from being
Speaker 1: careful about it. They were still very aggressive, and that's
Speaker 1: built out of strong release foot pressure and then the
Speaker 1: left side, Paul.
Speaker 2: For the average golfer, I'm guessing who comes to see
Speaker 2: you who's not Arnold Palmer's grandson, but who's somebody like
Speaker 2: me who's like a twelve right? Our problem is hitting
Speaker 2: it to the right, correct? I mean, are both people?
Speaker 3: So it's not always, but yes, most most times? Yes?
Speaker 2: Right? I mean that's that's you know, because it's the
Speaker 2: one hitting it. You know, hitting it left is the
Speaker 2: curse of the really good, of the really good golfer,
Speaker 2: and the hitting it right as the curse of the
Speaker 2: average golfer. So what do you you know for somebody
Speaker 2: who when they mishit are hitting it right all the time?
Speaker 3: What you know? What's you know?
Speaker 2: What do you do with somebody like that to help them?
Speaker 1: So I have Once I stopped playing and I started teaching.
Speaker 1: I was not very good at teaching when I started.
Speaker 1: And I say that because I had no real philosophy.
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what I did growing up. Had ideas,
Speaker 1: but I basically taught. And I didn't have golf lessons
Speaker 1: until I was twenty six or so, and I'd already,
Speaker 1: you know, won of Master's and I'd played on the
Speaker 1: President's Cup and all this cool stuff really before it
Speaker 1: had lessons. And there any reason I had a lesson
Speaker 1: or had some lessons was I was going to move
Speaker 1: to America, So I wanted to understand my swing better
Speaker 1: because I was not going to be able to go
Speaker 1: back to my home turf in Melbourne and practice and
Speaker 1: be in a familiar place and familiar company and do
Speaker 1: my routine. I was going to get out of my
Speaker 1: routine by moving to America, where I really didn't know
Speaker 1: hardly anyone. So I wanted to understand my swing. But
Speaker 1: no one could explain my swing because I had the
Speaker 1: very wide backswing like Greg Norman. I had this massive
Speaker 1: angle down, I had the foot sliding, I had the
Speaker 1: high finish. I had all these crazy things going on
Speaker 1: that no one could explain because at that point in time,
Speaker 1: mid nineties were talking ledbetter. He was the man because
Speaker 1: he had Nick Price and he had Nick Feldo. So
Speaker 1: everyone was teaching their methods. Set the club, early, turned
Speaker 1: the shoulders, use the big muscles, all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: that was totally different to what I was doing. So
Speaker 1: my swing got changed, not because I wanted to its
Speaker 1: because no one could explain what I was doing. So
Speaker 1: I got sort of poached into the method of the day.
Speaker 1: So that's where with my teaching, I've had people come
Speaker 1: and they have this great download, like this unbelievable angle
Speaker 1: coming down. One of the guys from Austraya I taught,
Speaker 1: he was he won the British Amateur in twenty ten.
Speaker 3: I think Bridon mcphersony.
Speaker 1: He came in saw me and he goes, I've had
Speaker 1: all these coaches they want to get rid of this angle.
Speaker 1: I go, dude, don't get rid of the angle. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to teach you how to use that angle.
Speaker 1: I want that angle.
Speaker 3: There because it's actually a big bonus for you.
Speaker 1: So now getting back to why you know people slice,
Speaker 1: the first drill that I teach them is I teach
Speaker 1: him to learn to release what I call the four
Speaker 1: thirty path. And to explain that, I always teach from
Speaker 1: the golfer's view. I don't teach from a camera view
Speaker 1: or my view. I always teach it from their perspective,
Speaker 1: so they've got to see down below and understand it
Speaker 1: from their eyes, not from the eyes.
Speaker 3: Of a camera.
Speaker 1: So the four thirty path is, if there was a
Speaker 1: big clock on the ground down in front of them,
Speaker 1: the golfer, the ball would be the middle of the clock,
Speaker 1: and their feet would be at six o'clock and the
Speaker 1: target line would extend from three o'clock to nine o'clock,
Speaker 1: so that three o'clock would be behind them to the right,
Speaker 1: and four thirty would kind of dissect the target line
Speaker 1: and their feet.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of an inside approach, right, That's where
Speaker 3: all the the good players came from.
Speaker 1: So amazingly enough, when I teach people that first drill,
Speaker 1: and it's not just hitting balls to get them to
Speaker 1: get a big impact bag, and they hit the bag,
Speaker 1: they do it one handed and they do it left handed,
Speaker 1: they do it right handed, they do it two handed.
Speaker 1: They get used to releasing the club from that point.
Speaker 1: So just about everyone I've ever done that with on
Speaker 1: a range, you know, just with a little bit of
Speaker 1: drill of stuff, starts hooking the ball. So that's the
Speaker 1: thing that you want, right if you're a slicer, I
Speaker 1: teach you how to hook it, and then what I
Speaker 1: do is the post impact stuff, which is drill three
Speaker 1: that makes the body move faster on the way through,
Speaker 1: like we discussed earlier, and that's kind of like a fade,
Speaker 1: So you kind of hook it into impact and you
Speaker 1: fade it out of impact. And so well, let's call
Speaker 1: the hook in the plus and the fade out a
Speaker 1: negative a plus and a negative equal zero.
Speaker 3: So you start actually getting straight ball flights. But a
Speaker 3: slicer comes negative to negative. Correct.
Speaker 1: They would come from across the three o'clock line and
Speaker 1: exit over there at eight o'clock or seven point thirty,
Speaker 1: and someone that hooks it would basically shift the club
Speaker 1: off way to the right of target line and shut
Speaker 1: the face over and put hookspin on it.
Speaker 3: So there's an opposite Remember I talked.
Speaker 1: About opposite force is an opposite force in that you
Speaker 1: come from the inside, which is your plus sign, you
Speaker 1: exit to the inside, which is your minor sign, and
Speaker 1: they cancel one another out and they go straight. So
Speaker 1: that's why it's so effective, because you've got to turn
Speaker 1: a slicer into a hooker first, and then you breed
Speaker 1: them out of that and get it back to straight.
Speaker 1: And it's very simple. It's work. Obviously, bar who doesn't
Speaker 1: want to get better? If you want to get better,
Speaker 1: I kind of jest with people, but not really in
Speaker 1: that out of thousands and thousands of lessons, by now,
Speaker 1: i'd basically have a one hundred percent success rate, like
Speaker 1: no one gets worse, they.
Speaker 3: All get better.
Speaker 1: Talking about your boat, I had a seventy I think
Speaker 1: he's seventy two years old when I started working with it,
Speaker 1: and he thought, you know, he loved golf, but he thought,
Speaker 1: this is it. I'm sixteen handicapped, I've lost it. I'm
Speaker 1: never going to get good again. Within eight months he
Speaker 1: was back down to a seven. And it wasn't from
Speaker 1: any magic stuff. It was providing the forces on the
Speaker 1: ball that the golf ball likes. And one of the
Speaker 1: big issues with golf instruction is too many people are
Speaker 1: worried about what's behind them. They're all tinkering with their
Speaker 1: backs when they're all trying to come in from a
Speaker 1: certain spot or whatever. And then once they hit the ball,
Speaker 1: they think that's it, all right, the ball's gone off
Speaker 1: the club face, nothing matters. But the after impact has
Speaker 1: a huge effect on the ball because the ball doesn't
Speaker 1: just spit out of a force into entry. It spits
Speaker 1: out of two forces, the entry and the exit. And
Speaker 1: if you can get that to be a plus and
Speaker 1: a minus, probably hopefully at the same speed.
Speaker 3: Because most people are going to.
Speaker 1: Swing harder at a golf ball than harder throw a
Speaker 1: golf ball, I'm teaching them to swing hard in both
Speaker 1: directions so that that ball spits out perfectly straight, and
Speaker 1: if anything, it may have a fade bias because the
Speaker 1: post impact is hopefully stronger than the entry, so they
Speaker 1: don't hit at the ball. And that really makes sense
Speaker 1: to me. That's something that I always did, because when
Speaker 1: I'm setting up to a golf ball, I'm looking down once,
Speaker 1: you know, like the clock, I'm looking straight down at
Speaker 1: the ball. My eyes are in between the middle of
Speaker 1: the clock and six o'clock. But my target is over
Speaker 1: there at nine o'clock. My target's like way me. So
Speaker 1: why am I interested in? Why do I care about
Speaker 1: what's behind me? Because in if I am a shortstop
Speaker 1: in baseball, I pick the ball up, where am I looking?
Speaker 1: You're looking, You're looking at the guy and the bas
Speaker 1: to throw it. If I'm shooting a basket, I'm not
Speaker 1: thinking what I'm doing back here. I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: basket and I'm going to the basket. So golfers somehow
Speaker 1: managed to get too many people thinking about what's behind
Speaker 1: them rather than what's in front of him. Because golf's
Speaker 1: a target game. It's not a golf swing game. It's
Speaker 1: a target game still, and if you can create the
Speaker 1: right reactions and the right forces to your target because
Speaker 1: you can't look there because you've got to look down
Speaker 1: at the ball, but you can have your your mind
Speaker 1: over there. And that's really the biggest key to getting
Speaker 1: people to get better is once they understand the through part,
Speaker 1: which is drill three. It's basically done. Because I could
Speaker 1: make any backswing I wanted to get back to that
Speaker 1: full thirty path. I could go outside and drop it in.
Speaker 1: I could go inside and stay there. I could go
Speaker 1: wide and load it. I can do any of those
Speaker 1: backswings as long as I know what four thirty is
Speaker 1: and I've trained to hit it from there.
Speaker 3: I hit it from there and I keep going on
Speaker 3: the way through.
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean I have to swing full out
Speaker 1: force all the time. I just have to match those
Speaker 1: two products of entry and exit that that they feel
Speaker 1: like they're the same speed, but kind of To make
Speaker 1: that happen, you always have to feel the after impact
Speaker 1: is quicker than the entry, because everyone has a hit
Speaker 1: instinct on the ball.
Speaker 2: For like you, I've I have a fairly short backswing
Speaker 2: that I've made somewhat longer, and I, you know, would
Speaker 2: love to be able to have like a full backswing.
Speaker 2: You know, But are you is that you're saying that
Speaker 2: that is far less important.
Speaker 3: Than as long as you have shoulders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as you get as long as you
Speaker 1: about shelters, and I don't care how far the hands
Speaker 1: are the club go. Now, people will laugh at this.
Speaker 1: We'll go back to Hogan again. If I said to someone,
Speaker 1: I'd probably get laughed off the stage if I said this,
Speaker 1: But I would typically say that Ben Hogan actually had
Speaker 1: a pretty short backswing.
Speaker 3: Even at the driver right now.
Speaker 1: Why would I say that because people go, oh, no,
Speaker 1: hang on, the club was over here, like John Daily,
Speaker 1: But if you.
Speaker 3: Look where his hands were rare, his hands really didn't
Speaker 3: look that far. But the reason he went long.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is video or not that
Speaker 1: I'll try to explain it in words too, is at
Speaker 1: the top of the swing he had so much forearm rotation.
Speaker 1: See what happens to my wrist, So that's not the
Speaker 1: wrisk and that's the forearms rotating. So now the club
Speaker 1: goes over here, but his hands are only here.
Speaker 3: So he managed to.
Speaker 1: Work out how to do short arm travel with big
Speaker 1: turn and long club travel, so he had as much
Speaker 1: energy as he wanted to put on the swing.
Speaker 3: Now he did swing short of his shorter clubs, of course, because.
Speaker 1: In that day particularly, it wasn't how far you hit
Speaker 1: a nine on? It was how far do I need
Speaker 1: to hit a night? Can I hit thirty five yards
Speaker 1: every time? I don't need to hit a nine nine
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty yards? So it was a slightly obviously
Speaker 1: different game back then, but distance control was more important
Speaker 1: than distance, and that's one of the big arguments myself
Speaker 1: and John Erickson, who we did the drills together. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked to a lot of people about this, and
Speaker 1: we say, all right, let's say you've got to pass
Speaker 1: seventy two course, and let's be perfect and break it
Speaker 1: up to thirty six hits and thirty six parts. You know,
Speaker 1: not that that rarely ever happens, but that's the perfect
Speaker 1: round of golf apparently. So out of those thirty six parts,
Speaker 1: how many parts are you trying to hit as far
Speaker 1: as you can? Now, how many chips you're trying to
Speaker 1: hit as far as you can. You're not trying to
Speaker 1: hit a nine nine as far as you can. You're
Speaker 1: trying to hit it at a certain distance. You're not
Speaker 1: trying to hit a four iron as far as you can.
Speaker 1: You're trying to hit it two hundred and five five
Speaker 1: yards or whatever to the hole. So if we're not
Speaker 1: really trying to eat three woods as far as you can.
Speaker 3: So let's say there's.
Speaker 1: Fourteen holes that you need a driver or three wood
Speaker 1: on or maybe something like that, you know, four path
Speaker 1: for threes and fourteen other holes. Out of those fourteen holes,
Speaker 1: you may hit an iron or three wood off a
Speaker 1: couple of them. So that's gone. There's maybe ten holes left.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Of those ten holes that you've still got driver in
Speaker 1: your hand, how many you're trying to eat as far
Speaker 1: as you can. Probably two you might be cutting one
Speaker 1: around the corner. You might be just trying to get
Speaker 1: one in play. You might lay out, not hit one
Speaker 1: too hard and just kind of get it on the fairway.
Speaker 1: So out of seventy two shots, were really may be
Speaker 1: trying to hit two or three shots as far as
Speaker 1: we can. Yet that's become the whole game of golf,
Speaker 1: and that's it's.
Speaker 2: A crazy CROs do right.
Speaker 3: It's a crazy right because I mean that yeah, but
Speaker 3: they wouldn't do.
Speaker 1: It if they had a well we won't get into
Speaker 1: the equipment. But obviously a big club that you can
Speaker 1: swing with less fear, you're not going to miss it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's got trampoline effect.
Speaker 3: It's got. But the courses they play quite wide open.
Speaker 1: Now there's not you know, but you see you get
Speaker 1: them on an oak mont like last year's US Open,
Speaker 1: what one or two over or something. Now, when the
Speaker 1: rough's there and you can't do that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: they just become a bit more like mere mortals.
Speaker 3: Like the rest of us, but it's yeah, they like scoring.
Speaker 1: The PGA two are liked scoring, So set the courses
Speaker 1: up accordingly, and the guys here at three hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty yards and this becomes a wedge off.
Speaker 3: That's about it. Wedge and powder.
Speaker 1: So that to me is kind of boring golf. And
Speaker 1: I know I sound old when I'm doing that, but
Speaker 1: I'll saying that.
Speaker 2: But no, I think we're about the same age, so
Speaker 2: I know exactly.
Speaker 3: I just think.
Speaker 1: You know, if you've got fourteen clubs in your bag,
Speaker 1: you should have to hit all of them. So typically,
Speaker 1: you know there's a past four path threes you might
Speaker 1: hit a long time with mid irons, a short iron,
Speaker 1: four part fives. There might be one you can't reach.
Speaker 1: You know, you're lay it up. There's two that you
Speaker 1: could reach with a fairway wood or a two iron
Speaker 1: or one iron back in the day, and one you know,
Speaker 1: if you bomb to drive, you might have five iron in.
Speaker 1: And then the part fours, if there's of them, there
Speaker 1: should be three holes, three hit wedges in. There should
Speaker 1: be four Holdrey hit mid irons. It should be three
Speaker 1: Holdrey hit long irons. Because you want to challenge every
Speaker 1: part of everyone's game. But right now in golf, it's
Speaker 1: just challenging, smash it and have a wedge in and
Speaker 1: who basically who puts the best. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: like I said, people won't agree with that logic, but
Speaker 1: it's really how golf was and how it had been
Speaker 1: for four hundred three hundred years, however long it was.
Speaker 1: So I don't see why golf had to change to
Speaker 1: become more athletic or the athlete. It's not so much
Speaker 1: the athlete. There was a certain skill to playing golf
Speaker 1: that Elie Jansen had and a Corey Paven had that
Speaker 1: you'll never see yet. I think that's sad because unless
Speaker 1: you are now six foot three you can swing at
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty miles an hour, you're not going
Speaker 1: to make a living playing golf.
Speaker 3: There is no old per semon tournaments.
Speaker 1: There is worth money that someone that likes that game
Speaker 1: could go and invest and kind of have a career
Speaker 1: out there. There's nothing there, So it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: a weird get up or set up where golf has
Speaker 1: got to because it doesn't encompass all people anymore.
Speaker 2: Right well, And and I mean you know also, I
Speaker 2: mean you know I've said this to a couple of
Speaker 2: people I've interviewed from what I you know, from what
Speaker 2: I've gathered, you know, because I grew up playing with persimmons,
Speaker 2: you know, and with with irons, with you know, little
Speaker 2: bleaded heads this big that you know, we're like hitting
Speaker 2: a board. But like the average handicap, with all this
Speaker 2: technology and the changes in the ball, and the big
Speaker 2: heads on the club and all the all that have that,
Speaker 2: people have not gotten better, right, I mean for the
Speaker 2: right but but but the average, the average handicap is
Speaker 2: about the same, right, right.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, due to a number of factors.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 1: Now people with the big clubheads swing for the fences
Speaker 1: because they want to tell their buddy they hit one
Speaker 1: three hundred yards, so you know, they hit it off,
Speaker 1: they hit it off the toe and it goes out
Speaker 1: of bounds, and they they lose like ten balls around
Speaker 1: because they're going for the Grand Slam rather than actually
Speaker 1: playing golf. So there's a lot of you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you've also got your seven year old guy at
Speaker 1: the club who bunts it up the fairly, bunts it
Speaker 1: near the green, chips it up and holds apart and
Speaker 1: makes a par or bogie on every hole and he
Speaker 1: beats all these guys. It's yeah, the handicap is weird
Speaker 1: because if it was true, everyone would be better because
Speaker 1: the pros are now shooting twenty under every week. But
Speaker 1: obviously there they get to do it every day. They've
Speaker 1: worked out all the technology to their advantage where they're
Speaker 1: getting the maximum launch with the least spin, and they're
Speaker 1: doing all these things that your average guy is not
Speaker 1: going to do, and of course they practice. Most amateur
Speaker 1: golfers don't really put in the work. I'm not saying everyone,
Speaker 1: but most of them just turn up and that's fine.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to do that, don't be serious
Speaker 1: about it, Like, don't get mad when you don't play well.
Speaker 3: Now you're not going to put him work. You're not
Speaker 3: going to get a resolve.
Speaker 1: So and that's why I love my drill stuff because
Speaker 1: you don't even have to hit balls. You can just
Speaker 1: work the drills and train your body to do something
Speaker 1: and it's going to change their swing for the better.
Speaker 1: I have a great example that, you know, even a
Speaker 1: world class athlete like Pete Sampras. I've done a few
Speaker 1: lessons with him in Australia and in California and like
Speaker 1: great tennis player, very strong, fast served volley, all one hand,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. When he did my first drill, he
Speaker 1: stopped after about five of them.
Speaker 3: He looked at me, goes, why does my arm hurt?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good thing. I said.
Speaker 1: That means you're now using golf muscles. He isn't entirely
Speaker 1: different muscles in different sports. So he's a big, strong guy.
Speaker 1: But he felt the burn of the first drill after
Speaker 1: five of them, which you wouldn't think he would.
Speaker 3: So that's what I mean, is that that's how you
Speaker 3: change your swing.
Speaker 1: Is I'm changing people's swings by work the muscle structure
Speaker 1: so they can react and do it accordingly, rather than
Speaker 1: just saying all right, you've got to be here and
Speaker 1: you've got to do this like it's not it's not
Speaker 1: the same. It's you know, I could teach some people
Speaker 1: like that, but it's not as effective. And also with
Speaker 1: the drills, even though I'm telling them what to do,
Speaker 1: they still have their own They gain their own observations
Speaker 1: from it as they do it. Because I'll get questions,
Speaker 1: what should I feel this? I go, probably, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't see any issue, that's your feels. You know,
Speaker 1: I might say something different, but if that's what you
Speaker 1: feel and can see that, so it gives them encouragement
Speaker 1: and work, and like.
Speaker 3: I said, it it just works.
Speaker 1: So that's that's why I've never changed my philosophy in
Speaker 1: seventeen years. And it's not a swing philosophy. I you know,
Speaker 1: I could show you one hundred students and they all
Speaker 1: look different, but they're all doing the same.
Speaker 2: Physics on the ball, right right, So yeah, so what
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, obviously being squared impact is essential,
Speaker 2: but what else? I mean, you know, what else are
Speaker 2: you know, does the average golfer have to you know,
Speaker 2: I mean I know they're all different, but you know,
Speaker 2: what are the things, you know, like the two or
Speaker 2: three biggest things that people come into you and you see,
Speaker 2: you know right away that need to be helped with
Speaker 2: with these drills.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the biggest flaws Basically, what would you classify
Speaker 1: as a bad golfer?
Speaker 3: Twenty handicap and above?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's an average. I mean that's actually
Speaker 2: I heard somebody said that's an average golfer, right.
Speaker 3: All right, So let's say twenty is not good?
Speaker 2: I guess, Yeah, let's say try what is the degrading lane.
Speaker 1: Right, So using that as a baseline, most of those
Speaker 1: people that handicap and above and obviously some below.
Speaker 3: One, they don't turn enough. They lift. They just lift
Speaker 3: the club up.
Speaker 1: They don't get any shoulder turn because they're trying to
Speaker 1: just get the club up here and they don't care.
Speaker 3: How they do it. They just lift it up.
Speaker 1: Two, they just lose angle straight away because there's a
Speaker 1: hit instinct. There's a hit instinct to hit the ball,
Speaker 1: but the better golfer hits it really late, and the
Speaker 1: poor golfer starts hitting early. So obviously they cast the
Speaker 1: club away, which normally equates to a couple of things.
Speaker 1: An okay player when they cast the club away may
Speaker 1: drop their arms behind them so they come from the inside.
Speaker 1: But most people that cast the club away throw the
Speaker 1: clubhead outside the line, and they're just going to continually.
Speaker 3: Come across the ball.
Speaker 1: So we get cast becomes mainly slicing and casting, trying
Speaker 1: to hit the ball too soon, losing all the anger
Speaker 1: of the club basically is the form of fats and
Speaker 1: thin shots. Club's going to hit the ground before the
Speaker 1: ball or if they get jack of that they'll start
Speaker 1: standing their body up and then they just thin it
Speaker 1: as well, so they're kind of the main things. Obviously,
Speaker 1: some people don't have great grips, but I'm not a
Speaker 1: huge grip guy because Hall of Fame's phillips and junkie grips.
Speaker 1: So is the grip of true fundamental, Yes to a degree.
Speaker 1: But again with people do the drill my first drill
Speaker 1: with the one handed, left handed, and then right handed.
Speaker 1: What happens is you can't do it with a bad grip,
Speaker 1: so it kind of molds their grip to where it
Speaker 1: should be without.
Speaker 3: Them even noticing.
Speaker 1: Because if I stood on the range you came to
Speaker 1: me for a lesson, I said, oh, your grip stinks,
Speaker 1: let's do this. It's a basic waste of the next
Speaker 1: fifty minutes because it's not going to feel good and
Speaker 1: it's not going to prob get much resulted. You're going
Speaker 1: to revert back to trying to get a good shot
Speaker 1: because the grip doesn't feel right. But when you do
Speaker 1: the impact drill, there is no result. So you're working
Speaker 1: the form and all of a sudden, the grip starts
Speaker 1: to go where it has to go, and that would
Speaker 1: generally mean a little bit weaker left hand and a
Speaker 1: little bit more angled right hand with the fingers on
Speaker 1: top rather than you know, the claw underneath, which is
Speaker 1: not good at all for any golf of the right hand.
Speaker 1: Claw too strong.
Speaker 2: Now let's talk about Sam Snead for a second. I
Speaker 2: mean what you know obviously, I mean for me, that
Speaker 2: is like, you know, I would you know, give up
Speaker 2: about the last ten years of my life if I
Speaker 2: could swing like that? So what what what can you know?
Speaker 2: What can what can golfers learn from watching sneed other
Speaker 2: than just how beautiful his swing is and you know
Speaker 2: how incredibly rhythmic and athletic and natural, you know, the
Speaker 2: way he swings the club is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically him and Hogan are very similar. Is
Speaker 1: a great In one of Sam's books, he has a
Speaker 1: description with a clock again clocks of good visuals, and
Speaker 1: he talked about trying to get his hands to only
Speaker 1: go to ten o'clock. So he's now talking at a
Speaker 1: clock that's upright, you know, not on the ground like
Speaker 1: we're looking at when I was talking about up behind him,
Speaker 1: So twelve o'clock is now above his head. So he's
Speaker 1: trying to fill his hands only go to ten o'clock,
Speaker 1: but his shoulders feel like they turned to one o'clock.
Speaker 1: So again there's the shoulder turn thin, not the lift,
Speaker 1: so he's shorthands. Hogan had short hands. There, they're talking
Speaker 1: the same language. They did their downswing differently because Hogan
Speaker 1: went into a pretty straight right leg transition and fell
Speaker 1: forwards a little bit, but not with his top half.
Speaker 3: He just fell forwards.
Speaker 1: With his lower half, and that delayed his body action
Speaker 1: for later on, which again is perfect because that's after impave.
Speaker 1: You start pulling your body too soon, you're going to
Speaker 1: start casting and come over the top. So sneed did
Speaker 1: it more into a squat, And you can't do the
Speaker 1: squat unless you push it in your right foot as well,
Speaker 1: because if I push him down into both feet, the
Speaker 1: pressure goes that way, my knees kind of separate, they
Speaker 1: go out.
Speaker 3: It's like he squat did again. That's why I hate
Speaker 3: people talking about get onto your.
Speaker 1: Left foot, because you're going to get onto your left
Speaker 1: foot eventually.
Speaker 3: But you've got to be able to.
Speaker 1: Shift weight through pressure, not from just shifting weight, and
Speaker 1: that's one of the big things, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you've got to push.
Speaker 1: Right because your body won't want to fall down to
Speaker 1: the right. When you push into your right leg, your
Speaker 1: left hip will counterbalance you and you balance yourself out.
Speaker 1: That's your body doesn't want to fall over, so you
Speaker 1: actually get left by trying to go right, which freaks
Speaker 1: people out.
Speaker 3: But I've done a bunch.
Speaker 1: Of videos about it, and they've kind of not made
Speaker 1: me famous, but a lot of people go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes so much sense.
Speaker 3: Of course, it makes sense because that's what everyone is doing.
Speaker 1: You're going to get left now if you lose all
Speaker 1: your pressure out your right leg too soon. Again, Nay,
Speaker 1: you've lose resistance to be able to do the through
Speaker 1: swing with the left side, so that they were very
Speaker 1: much similar. Hogan talked about three right hands in his
Speaker 1: book and his videos or whatever he talked about. He
Speaker 1: wanted to basically hit as hard as he could with
Speaker 1: his right hand. Now I'm under the impression that's actually
Speaker 1: right forearm, but you end up feeling it in your
Speaker 1: hand if I just use my hand. If I use
Speaker 1: my hand, the grip slows down. If I use my forearm,
Speaker 1: the grip speeds up, so I'm not flipped the matter
Speaker 1: and Sneed had the same diagram in his book again
Speaker 1: that he poured the power and I think he had
Speaker 1: it about eighteen inches before. Himpig said at this spot,
Speaker 1: I poured my right hand into the shot. So again
Speaker 1: they're basically saying the same thing. I don't think Snead
Speaker 1: was as good the after impact stuff as strong as
Speaker 1: Hogan was. Hogan, if you look at this swing, his
Speaker 1: swing was very up tempo, right fast back, fast down,
Speaker 1: fast through. Now you can only do that if you're
Speaker 1: fast on the way through. If you think of Nick Price,
Speaker 1: fast back, fast down, fast through. So they can have
Speaker 1: a more upbeat tempo because they're so strong after impact
Speaker 1: with their body and everything. Now, Sneed wasn't quite as
Speaker 1: strong on the way through, so his swing had a
Speaker 1: bit more rhythm to it. It was slower because it's
Speaker 1: like Ernie Els Ernie. He's not great on the way through.
Speaker 1: It looks beautiful, but he has a nice tempo and
Speaker 1: he creates a big arc, and he creates a lot
Speaker 1: of speed still because of his size, and then when
Speaker 1: he releases and all that, but he collapses a little bit.
Speaker 3: On the way through. He's not as good on the
Speaker 3: way through. If he was, he might have been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could have challenged Tiger, I think, but everyone
Speaker 1: has one thing that they're not that good at, whether
Speaker 1: it's swing, whether it's Jack Nicholas and the Great Chipper,
Speaker 1: you know, all these different things that there's kind of
Speaker 1: one thing that holds every gulf of ba. They don't
Speaker 1: give them everything set maybe Tiger got nil everything. Oh
Speaker 1: they weren't the best driver of the ball. Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So there's there's swing. Philosophies were very similar. They said
Speaker 1: important things the same, but their swings again looked different.
Speaker 1: And that's the that's the observation of whose brain is
Speaker 1: it coming from. Someone says it one way, someone says
Speaker 1: it another way, but they're basically trying to speak the
Speaker 1: same terms. They just have different ways of nunciating it.
Speaker 2: Now in terms of you know, like going back to
Speaker 2: the footwork for a second, you know, and like looking
Speaker 2: at somebody like sneed or I'm trying to remember who
Speaker 2: you're talking about before. But oh, Norman, yep, I'm guessing.
Speaker 2: You know, like the average person when they come to
Speaker 2: you has no idea other than just getting their feet planted.
Speaker 3: On the ground, right, no idea none. They don't even
Speaker 3: know how to use it.
Speaker 1: But everyone says the swing works from the ground up,
Speaker 1: but no one knows how to do it right.
Speaker 2: So so just I mean literally, you know, if you
Speaker 2: don't mind, just describe literally physically what like you were
Speaker 2: saying Norman was doing. Because even I mean, I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I'm slightly better than the average, but I'm not, you know.
Speaker 2: I always I'm like, okay, how do I use my
Speaker 2: feet here? And I never feel like I get what
Speaker 2: you're talking you know, like what they're talking about when
Speaker 2: they say, you know, pushing their feet into the ground, right.
Speaker 3: So it can do it two ways.
Speaker 1: So I have a product that I've used in all
Speaker 1: my lessons called it down underboard, and you put it
Speaker 1: between your feet and you grab it with the inside
Speaker 1: of your feet. So that's kind of teaching you the
Speaker 1: pressures because what you'll find is when there's something there
Speaker 1: to grip against, you can grip it firmly. It's harder
Speaker 1: to do it when there's this ground there because there's
Speaker 1: nothing to you know, compress against with your feet. So
Speaker 1: the board teaches you to squeeze inwards to provide the pressure.
Speaker 3: I don't do it that. I actually just push downwards
Speaker 3: to the same tension level.
Speaker 1: And let's say you know, like you said, the normal
Speaker 1: golfer just stands that he's not really doing it. He's
Speaker 1: got body weight, so that would be one out of ten.
Speaker 1: You know, there's tens as hard as you could do it.
Speaker 1: His body weight's giving him one out of ten just
Speaker 1: because he's there, and he might just push him a
Speaker 1: little bit or squeeze a little bit to get things
Speaker 1: going and that might get a two out of ten.
Speaker 1: So if he's going back with a two out of
Speaker 1: ten in his feet and then that transition hits in
Speaker 1: where his brain nose, I've got to push downwards because
Speaker 1: I'm changing direction like I'm throwing, shooting and jumping, that too,
Speaker 1: now becomes a six or a seven. So there's a
Speaker 1: big shift in what your body is feeling. Your feet
Speaker 1: have gone from a two up to a six or seven,
Speaker 1: so your brain can't compute that and it wants to
Speaker 1: just give it all up again. So that's where you
Speaker 1: see people start jumping in the air or sliding laterally
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 3: Or you know, all that that body can't keep.
Speaker 1: You can't add that much and then expect to hold
Speaker 1: it again, it's going to dissipate. So with the board there,
Speaker 1: what I trained people to do is start with at
Speaker 1: least a seven out of ten, and then when you push,
Speaker 1: that's seven now only becomes maybe an eight, possibly a nine.
Speaker 1: So now that shifting pressure in your feet when you
Speaker 1: press in transition, it's less, so your body doesn't react
Speaker 1: to it as much and it goes Ah, I want
Speaker 1: to keep pushing now because I've felt a little bit,
Speaker 1: but it's not extreme. So now I'm going to I
Speaker 1: know I don't want to go from a seven or
Speaker 1: eight down to a two again because I started with
Speaker 1: a seven. So basically teaches them to keep using the
Speaker 1: ground for longer. Now, if you keep using your feet
Speaker 1: for longer, it means you push down to the ground,
Speaker 1: you're not going to stand up. And if you don't
Speaker 1: stand up, you don't have to straighten your right arm
Speaker 1: to hit the ball either, because you're not getting further
Speaker 1: from the ball, you're getting closer. So now your right
Speaker 1: arm can be more stable. You don't need to straighten
Speaker 1: it the the ball. And then what happens is now
Speaker 1: your wrist stays better. Now You're right arms stays bamp
Speaker 1: like it was it a dress, and you haven't changed
Speaker 1: the pitch of the shaft from address to impact and
Speaker 1: you haven't changed the face, so it just becomes much
Speaker 1: much more consistent. And that's that's obviously the essence of
Speaker 1: golf is that we don't need to you know, and
Speaker 1: everyone said this for Donkeys' years. It's not the one
Speaker 1: that it's the best shots. It is the one that
Speaker 1: hits the least bad shots or the bad shots are
Speaker 1: still okay.
Speaker 3: Rights, And what is the average prace?
Speaker 1: They hit three balls out of bounds, they top a
Speaker 1: couple into the drink, they're taking penalties, they're having two
Speaker 1: or three chips on a hole. It is basically wasting shots.
Speaker 1: So refew can hit the ball straighter, more consistent. And
Speaker 1: of course all these things I talk about create extra
Speaker 1: speed because forearms uncock your wrists that speed, the hands
Speaker 1: go faster through the ball, and they kick the shaft
Speaker 1: flexed other than kick the shaft that speed. You generally
Speaker 1: line the club up on the ball better because you're
Speaker 1: rotating the center of gravity of the club onto the
Speaker 1: ball rather than just slapping it at the ball.
Speaker 3: That's a better hit. That's more speed.
Speaker 1: Now you're using the ground to pull your body from
Speaker 1: so that's more speed. So everything that I teach is
Speaker 1: it's speed, but it's also control. So you know, I've
Speaker 1: had many people think with the first drill, some people
Speaker 1: lose a little bit of speed because they're not using
Speaker 1: their hands as much and just flicking the.
Speaker 3: Club at the ball. They're using the whole club.
Speaker 1: And they haven't learned to do that with speed yet.
Speaker 1: But once they do the after impact stuff they start,
Speaker 1: you know, they pick up ten percent of their normal
Speaker 1: distance they go because they're now creating an accelerating club
Speaker 1: all the way through impact and beyond rather than just.
Speaker 3: A velocitized club.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool stuff to watch people change because
Speaker 1: and the way I do it is, you know, I
Speaker 1: have five main drills and I call them obviously one, two, three, four, five,
Speaker 1: but I relate it to like playing music. Pardon me.
Speaker 3: First drill is called a sit there with a guitar.
Speaker 1: And you go hey yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, boring.
Speaker 1: But then you do coord B and you go bbbbb,
Speaker 1: and then you go AB, like you learn how to
Speaker 1: put the two together. And then you add the third drill,
Speaker 1: which is called C, and then you go footooball ab
Speaker 1: and they start making music. So you can't teach a
Speaker 1: swing all once because there's too many fine nique for
Speaker 1: night differences and things that your body needs to adjust to,
Speaker 1: your brain needs to adjust to. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: why when people try and do a swing change, they'll
Speaker 1: get their camera out. I don't film much when I
Speaker 1: do lessons. I do a little bit and they just
Speaker 1: to show them the difference. But once, you know, after
Speaker 1: a month of doing the drill, then their swing actually changes.
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to film them that afternoon. It's
Speaker 1: not going to look too different, but the ball's going
Speaker 1: to behave differently. So you know, people get their camera
Speaker 1: and they're saying, right, I am going to do this,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to do that, and they film it
Speaker 1: and they replay and they look and they go, that
Speaker 1: doesn't look anything different, And of course it's not because
Speaker 1: you're not going to change your swing by a thought.
Speaker 1: You've got to change the muscle structure of what's happening
Speaker 1: with your body in certain aspects to be able to
Speaker 1: slop the club deeper, or move the club faster than
Speaker 1: the impact, move your body faster beyond him. You know,
Speaker 1: you've got to do all these It's basically strength training
Speaker 1: through repetition that then transfers onto the course or the ball,
Speaker 1: because you take the bag away and just put a
Speaker 1: ball on, you do the same thing.
Speaker 2: How now I'm going to just go back to the
Speaker 2: feet one more time, so I get it. So since
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be jumping right, I'm not shooting
Speaker 2: a basketball right, and is it literally I'm just pressing
Speaker 2: my feet as hard as I can. And how can
Speaker 2: I do that for me? I mean, you know like it?
Speaker 2: I always feel like the last the free of my
Speaker 2: body is right, the last tuson I've got right, the
Speaker 2: better I sweat good.
Speaker 3: But hang on one night you go on great point.
Speaker 1: Yes, So the down underboard that I use, you train
Speaker 1: it between your feet.
Speaker 3: Where is now all the pressure it's in your feet?
Speaker 3: Isn't that all the pressure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you squeeze on the board, you're putting all
Speaker 1: the pressure on your feet. So that allows you to
Speaker 1: be softer in your shoulders.
Speaker 3: And your arms.
Speaker 1: So if you put But most people that have nothing
Speaker 1: in their feet, what do they do? And they get
Speaker 1: really tight upstairs and then they can't move or turn.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to say that because you you
Speaker 1: kind of stumbled on the answer right there with what
Speaker 1: you were saying, can you remember the rest of what
Speaker 1: you're going to say?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: So okay, So how so what am I? What am
Speaker 2: I doing? When I stand up to the ball and
Speaker 2: want to get my feet into the ground like.
Speaker 3: That, Initially.
Speaker 1: You can't stand okay, so this is your press. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't stand there and press your feet while you're
Speaker 1: waggling and looking for So I would typically say, when
Speaker 1: I'm out of dress, I'm getting as comfortable as I can.
Speaker 1: My arms are soft, my feet are soft. I'm waggling
Speaker 1: to feel my wrists move, and yeah, not relaxed, because
Speaker 1: I think I think the hands should have a pretty
Speaker 1: good hold on the club. You don't want to grip
Speaker 1: the club lightly. If it's moving one hundred miles an hour,
Speaker 1: needs some type of grip on it. And of course, again,
Speaker 1: if you grip a club to light when you swing,
Speaker 1: you're going to regrip it and strengthen it. So there's
Speaker 1: an extra element added in that you don't need. So
Speaker 1: why not just start with a firmer grip. So this
Speaker 1: is something that I did with Brendon Todd when we
Speaker 1: were working on getting him out of his funk. He's
Speaker 1: right before he about five months before he won again,
Speaker 1: got his card back and one we did this drill,
Speaker 1: and I said, I asked him to rate his hands,
Speaker 1: his arms, and his feet at a dress before he
Speaker 1: hit a shot. He said, my feet are at two,
Speaker 1: my arms are a six, and my hands are a eight.
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, well that's not good. So I said,
Speaker 1: let's get your feet to a seven. Let's get your
Speaker 1: grip to a five. I'm talking out of ten, you know,
Speaker 1: and your arms out of two. So we call it
Speaker 1: the seven five to two. So basically, now you've got
Speaker 1: the two things that are holding something. Your feet a
Speaker 1: hold in the ground. They have the most pressure, your
Speaker 1: hands are holding the club they have the second most pressure,
Speaker 1: and everything else is free to move. But of course
Speaker 1: it's going to tense up as you swing because you're
Speaker 1: creating motion, but it's never going to reach the standards
Speaker 1: because if your feet start a seven, they're going to
Speaker 1: get to an eight or nine. If your hands start
Speaker 1: a five, they're going to get to a six or
Speaker 1: a seven. If your arms started two, they're probably going
Speaker 1: to get to a three or four.
Speaker 3: So you're still.
Speaker 1: Keeping the freedom in your swing, but you're using the
Speaker 1: force in the right spot. So before I hit a shot,
Speaker 1: and I'm waggling and I'm doing nothing, and I've looked
Speaker 1: at my target and I'm back to my checking my
Speaker 1: hands with my ball position and all that. When I
Speaker 1: feel ready to go, I push my feet and within
Speaker 1: a second I start my swing. So I don't think
Speaker 1: of it when I swing, I just ingrain.
Speaker 3: I've worked on.
Speaker 1: It enough to ingrain it so it for friends and
Speaker 1: it should And then I don't think of it when
Speaker 1: I swing.
Speaker 3: I just build it in and go. So it's a
Speaker 3: pre set condition.
Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is with this once you get
Speaker 1: really good at I'm letting my secrets out now, is
Speaker 1: if I want to hit a normal eye and distance,
Speaker 1: So I hit my seven nine even though I'm fifty
Speaker 1: eight years old now, I still hit my seven eye
Speaker 1: like one hundred and seventy two in the air, which
Speaker 1: is decent.
Speaker 3: I could play golf.
Speaker 1: Pity, I can't git my driver to go far, but
Speaker 1: my eyes I'm still pretty long with relatively speaking. So
Speaker 1: if I if I had one hundred and seventy to
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy three four yards before I take
Speaker 1: the club away, I push my feet to a seven
Speaker 1: out of ten and then I swing and I will
Speaker 1: get that distance. Now, if I had to hit at
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty four yards, I wouldn't swing slower.
Speaker 1: I just push my feet to a five before I swing,
Speaker 1: and now my release can't work as hard. My feet
Speaker 1: don't push as much, and my body won't rip as
Speaker 1: hard because I don't have as much resistance in my feet.
Speaker 1: So I change distance out of my feet, not my swing.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting, and that makes total sunse right because.
Speaker 1: I further, I would push to a nine, And if
Speaker 1: I hit a driver, I'd push to a nine every
Speaker 1: drive if I want to hit it far, because that's
Speaker 1: going to make my swing function at its fastest. But
Speaker 1: when I do those subtle differences, it's only out of
Speaker 1: my feet. I swing the same length. I do everything
Speaker 1: the same. It feels like I'm swinging exactly the same.
Speaker 1: But my seven is my standard. My five out of
Speaker 1: ten pressure everything goes a bit softer, and my nine
Speaker 1: out of ten pressure everything goes a bit faster. So
Speaker 1: then it's a way easier way to play golf because
Speaker 1: imagine standing they go, I had to hit at one
Speaker 1: sixty four, how far I've got to take the club
Speaker 1: to eleven fifteen. I've got to swing like it now,
Speaker 1: you're not thinking of your swing. Your foot pressure does
Speaker 1: it all for you. And of course, right swing works
Speaker 1: from the ground up. And if you understand that, it's
Speaker 1: really simple logic to do. And I know you sort
Speaker 1: of your eye could see your eyebrows go up. When
Speaker 1: I've told about that. No one talks about it. I
Speaker 1: might be the only person that talks about that, because
Speaker 1: every time I show that to a student, their jaw
Speaker 1: hits the four. They're like, no way, I got yeap man,
Speaker 1: Because it's way easier to do every day. You know
Speaker 1: what a five or seven or nine. See, It's like
Speaker 1: you don't know what eleven o'clock feels or this, or
Speaker 1: how hard do I need to swing or do I
Speaker 1: need to swing hard? If I do it in the
Speaker 1: wrong spot, it just all balances out.
Speaker 2: It's very cool, right, Yeah, that's that's really interesting. That's
Speaker 2: all I'll have to give that, because I mean, that
Speaker 2: is one thing.
Speaker 1: I've done it, done that since I was twelve years old,
Speaker 1: right of course, so for me it's easy.
Speaker 3: I don't even have to think of it now.
Speaker 1: Of course, I don't practice much anymore, play much, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure my legs are weaker than they used to
Speaker 1: be because I don't use them, so I'm not perfect
Speaker 1: at it now, but I can still go out and
Speaker 1: do it basically every day and it's still understand how
Speaker 1: to do it, and it still works even without practicing
Speaker 1: doing it. But you have to ingrain it in there first,
Speaker 1: so it becomes a reaction and not an action.
Speaker 2: Last question, if you if you know average, you know,
Speaker 2: say fifteen handicap walks under you or doesn't you walk
Speaker 2: into you just as you're talking to them, and you know,
Speaker 2: a coffee shop or restaurant, whatever they say. If I
Speaker 2: had to think about two things that to work on
Speaker 2: without you seeing the swing, like two things to make
Speaker 2: me a better golfer, swing the club better, what would
Speaker 2: be the two things you would tell somebody to.
Speaker 3: Go out and do. What do you think people? What
Speaker 3: do I think?
Speaker 2: Most people would say, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you know what. I don't have
Speaker 2: an answer. I'm not a coach, but I guess you've.
Speaker 1: Got to you've got to have a good grip. You've
Speaker 1: got to take the club away on plane.
Speaker 2: Right, they right, right? Or they tell they got to rotate,
Speaker 2: you know, like like watching a pro right, which is
Speaker 2: not the way anybody.
Speaker 1: Like learn the foot pressure number one? Okay, second thing
Speaker 1: posting pact. If I can control I can control shots
Speaker 1: out here, just like the the foot pressure. I can
Speaker 1: control distance. I can control curve and trajectory over here
Speaker 1: after I've hit the ball feel wise, because what I'm
Speaker 1: what I'm focused on over here. You know, I talked
Speaker 1: about the left side, but I can switch that up.
Speaker 1: I can use my right shoulder to it a drawer,
Speaker 1: and I can use my left shoulder here to fade
Speaker 1: instead of that left side to hit a straight one.
Speaker 1: And I can aim the same. I can aim perfectly
Speaker 1: the same, or I can aim where I want to
Speaker 1: aim to make the show happen. The problem is aiming
Speaker 1: perfect is then you've got to swing perfect right. So right,
Speaker 1: I don't care about aim. You know, I'm very right
Speaker 1: eye dominant, so I tend to aim a little.
Speaker 3: Bit right and kind of look backwards.
Speaker 1: So my aim is generally slightly right. But to me
Speaker 1: it looks straight, so that doesn't really matter. But I
Speaker 1: can control my If I can hit it high, I
Speaker 1: can hit it low, I can draw it, and I
Speaker 1: can fade it, and I can do a combo of
Speaker 1: a couple of those with all my thought, not how
Speaker 1: I take the club away, not where I'm aimed, and
Speaker 1: not how my downswing is. All I think about is
Speaker 1: over post impact, because really what happens is what I'm
Speaker 1: feeling over there after impact. The down swing prepares for it.
Speaker 1: If I know I'm going to pull my right shoulder
Speaker 1: over and hit it like a top spin cross cord
Speaker 1: like in tennis, that would be a drawer for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing my hands, I'm doing my shoulder. So
Speaker 1: for my brain to know I'm going to rip my right.
Speaker 3: Shoulder four foot past the ball.
Speaker 1: My right shoulder starts coming down and I sloped the
Speaker 1: club a little bit below myself, so my right shoulder
Speaker 1: can move and I can hit a draw. And then
Speaker 1: the beauty of that is you can aim wherever you like.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because if there's trouble. Let's say the
Speaker 1: flag is on the right side of a green and
Speaker 1: it looks like you want to fade it in there,
Speaker 1: that would normally be the observation. Right for a good
Speaker 1: player that can control the ball, I got to start
Speaker 1: it over there. I'm going to fade it to that
Speaker 1: pin that's on the right hand side of the green.
Speaker 1: But on the left there's water, whether there's a pine
Speaker 1: tree or there's something there that is in your visual
Speaker 1: or your mind that says I can't aim over there
Speaker 1: because I'm worried about the water or the hitting the
Speaker 1: tree or something like that and messes you up. I
Speaker 1: could aim ten yard. I could aim ten yards right
Speaker 1: of that flag, miss like I'm going to miss the
Speaker 1: green right and after impact, rip my left shoulder instead
Speaker 1: of my left side and the ball start left me
Speaker 1: cut back.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: But okay, now that's advanced stuff, right, that's advanced stuff.
Speaker 2: I would love to be able to do.
Speaker 1: I've had twelve fifteen handicappers like yourself be able to
Speaker 1: do it. Because they are they get it like one
Speaker 1: side sharm. They go, that's pretty easy, and believe it
Speaker 1: or not, the drawer is easiest one. Be able to
Speaker 1: draw it with your right shoulder is the simplest thing
Speaker 1: to do because all it does is shift the paths.
Speaker 1: It doesn't shift the face because you're not using hands
Speaker 1: and you're not aiming any different. You just shift the
Speaker 1: path because you right shoulders, you're going to come higher
Speaker 1: on the way.
Speaker 3: Through, so you start playing golf with less perfection.
Speaker 1: You don't need to worry about perfection if you think
Speaker 1: about who are two of the best ball stripe Because
Speaker 1: everyone talks about Mo, Norman, Lee Trevino. Watch them, watch
Speaker 1: them on the course or on the range. They don't
Speaker 1: even line up. Moe just puts a ball down and
Speaker 1: line and hits it straight at it and Trevino just
Speaker 1: shuffles his feet around until he feels right and then
Speaker 1: he hits it.
Speaker 3: So they're not being perfect, they're just aiming or whatever
Speaker 3: they want, what looks right right.
Speaker 1: So that's the freedom that I had playing golf, or
Speaker 1: even now today, is that I don't even think golf
Speaker 1: s when if I think of anything, I think, build
Speaker 1: my foot pressure, do what I need to do after impact,
Speaker 1: and my swing will function perfectly well to correspond to that. Now,
Speaker 1: it's a kind of a brains It messes with your
Speaker 1: brain because everyone is so intent on what's behind them
Speaker 1: rather than what's in front of him. But once you
Speaker 1: understand it, it just makes golf really simple.
Speaker 2: One one last last thing. So I read you were
Speaker 2: talking about the head, and you know the whole thing
Speaker 2: of Nicholas you know, saying he never moved his head,
Speaker 2: and then you have the video of the pictures of
Speaker 2: him turning his head. What's what's your feeling on the
Speaker 2: You know, the head does not have to stay.
Speaker 3: Well, it can't stay.
Speaker 1: Because if you're set up with the ball in your
Speaker 1: head still, as soon as you turn your shoulders, your
Speaker 1: head's going to move to some degree, and then as
Speaker 1: soon as you can press down in your legs in transition,
Speaker 1: when you push a bit more, your head's going to drop.
Speaker 1: And then a lot of players because remember a golf
Speaker 1: club when it swings, got a lot of centrifugal force
Speaker 1: on it because the heavier the bottom end is heavier
Speaker 1: than the top end, so that the bottom end is
Speaker 1: trying to move away from you when you swim forcefully
Speaker 1: away from the body.
Speaker 3: So that's why what I teach it it stops the clubway.
Speaker 1: You basically keep the club in a tighter circle with
Speaker 1: that plus and minus entry and exit.
Speaker 3: So what that what that does?
Speaker 1: I forgot what we were talking about. Now I went
Speaker 1: off on a slightly different tangent there. What was the
Speaker 1: original question.
Speaker 2: I was I was asking you about the head moving
Speaker 2: the head?
Speaker 3: That's right, correct?
Speaker 1: So it can move on the backswim because you're going
Speaker 1: to turn your shoulder, so your spine moves a bit
Speaker 1: and your weight shifts a bit. It's going to drop
Speaker 1: in transition because you can press you feet down into
Speaker 1: the ground. Your knees probably flecks a little bit. And
Speaker 1: then some people Donald Palmer is a great example, and
Speaker 1: even Nicholas did it. Tom Watson did it a bit
Speaker 1: is on the way through. Their head often also goes
Speaker 1: backwards again because this is where the centrifugal force came
Speaker 1: from that I was talking about. They're fighting centrifugal force.
Speaker 1: If they keep moving with that centrifugal force, the club's
Speaker 1: going to try fly off, so that they actually their
Speaker 1: head drops back, particularly.
Speaker 3: With the driver or three.
Speaker 1: Would you know when you've got the ball teat up
Speaker 1: a bit, they fight that centrifical force to make the
Speaker 1: club not fly right. They actually hang back even more
Speaker 1: so even though a lot of people will saying Nicholas,
Speaker 1: like we talked about, he said his head didn't move,
Speaker 1: or Jack Groud apparently used to hold his hair or something.
Speaker 1: He used to have something right, But the idea is
Speaker 1: to not get excessive with it. But Curtis strange went
Speaker 1: way over here, and then he went way over there.
Speaker 1: So if your spine moves and your weight transfers, your
Speaker 1: head's going to move.
Speaker 3: But I think the important thing.
Speaker 1: Is just as long as your eyes are fixated somewhere
Speaker 1: in the same vicinity, that you don't change your eye position,
Speaker 1: that you're not looking at the ball from now inside
Speaker 1: when you're actually looking at it from the top to
Speaker 1: start with. So I think it's more it's more the
Speaker 1: levelness of your eyes rather than the head movement.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, it's fine.
Speaker 2: I tried, you know, I was watching some videos of
Speaker 2: Nicholas and you know he's got the head to turn
Speaker 2: to the left and he's the left eye. And when
Speaker 2: you were saying you're a right e dominant, I really
Speaker 2: I went out to I tried to hit by doing
Speaker 2: that because I was like, oh, I'll get a bigger turn,
Speaker 2: you know, because you know, freeze up the buddy. I
Speaker 2: was absolutely, I mean, you know, I tried twice.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because my now my right right.
Speaker 3: Funny story though, so that time for this, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety seven US Open at Congressional I was hitting it, okay.
Speaker 1: I had a couple three parts and I ate a
Speaker 1: couple just missed the green and I whipped the chip
Speaker 1: and I'm the first day, I'm seven over through seven holes,
Speaker 1: like holy.
Speaker 3: Cow, get me out of here.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, even though I don't like it,
Speaker 1: because I on the eighth tee, I thought, I feel
Speaker 1: some on top of the ball. I'm going to do
Speaker 1: my Jack Nicholas head thing. And I tilted my head
Speaker 1: back like we're just talking about. I could hardly see
Speaker 1: the ball and I played and I birdied the eighth
Speaker 1: and I off I went, and I so seven over
Speaker 1: through seven. The next sixty five holes, I played two underpar.
Speaker 1: Came sixteenth and I got in the Masters. I was
Speaker 1: ready to go home after seven holes and I ended
Speaker 1: up and my only swing thought was Jack Nicholas head
Speaker 1: because I felt I felt like I was two on
Speaker 1: top of the ball, so I shifted my eyes back
Speaker 1: to that, even though I didn't feel comfortable, and I
Speaker 1: played great, but that was it. I never did it again.
Speaker 1: But it's funny how some little keys just work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's I mean, it's so funny. I mean
Speaker 2: because I, you know, like I was watching him swing
Speaker 2: and I was like, God, you know, he's got that
Speaker 2: great you know, vertical, you know, swinging, and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, and if I could just get get that
Speaker 2: kind of turn. I mean obviously not his turn, but
Speaker 2: I mean, you know my room of that, and I
Speaker 2: mean I felt like I'd never played golf before. All right,
Speaker 2: It's difficult because it was such a change.
Speaker 1: If I hadn't a birdied the eight sol, I probably
Speaker 1: would have quit it right there and then. But so
Speaker 1: I'll give you, I'll give you two one tip about
Speaker 1: you creating a longer backswing. So you got to take
Speaker 1: a club away with how do you feel? Do you
Speaker 1: feel shoulders, arms hips, hands on, what what do you feel?
Speaker 2: You know, I try to do with my shoulders, you know.
Speaker 2: And like one thing you know, and it's I am.
Speaker 2: You know, when you were talking about like the grip pressure.
Speaker 2: One of the things I noticed was I I took
Speaker 2: I took a lesson from a guy who worked with
Speaker 2: Mike Austin, right, you know, the guy who hit the
Speaker 2: five hundred and fifteen year drive. And it actually for
Speaker 2: about three weeks worked great. And I was, I mean,
Speaker 2: and I was, you know, not that it's all about distance,
Speaker 2: but I was hitting the ball thirty yards longer off
Speaker 2: the tee and straighter than I've ever hit the ball.
Speaker 2: But then what started happening is, you know, I try
Speaker 2: to hold the club pretty loose just because that kind
Speaker 2: of you know, has helped me, not you know, help
Speaker 2: me get rid of attention when I'm when I'm swinging.
Speaker 2: But I realized that I was regripping once I lost
Speaker 2: that sweat. It was because I was putting so much
Speaker 2: force coming down with I was regripping the club on
Speaker 2: the way now, and I actually had so I had
Speaker 2: I didn't think I could get along swing like that,
Speaker 2: and then I've abandoned it. So so tell me, tell me.
Speaker 1: That's why I asked you what you feel your backswing
Speaker 1: goes with? So typically if I if I feel I
Speaker 1: turned my shoulders, it comes a maximum spot that I
Speaker 1: can't turn them anymore in that right now, where are
Speaker 1: my hands when I do that? If my hands are
Speaker 1: only halfway up my waist, I'm going to swing short?
Speaker 3: Right? How to swing along? All I'm going to do
Speaker 3: is lift my arms up.
Speaker 1: You know, So that that may be what you were doing,
Speaker 1: But then you got rid of that after a while
Speaker 1: because you literally would teach people to here's how I
Speaker 1: teach people to do a proper backswing sequence and long
Speaker 1: enough with good enough turn that everything's coiled up basically,
Speaker 1: so step right foot pressure. If you push your feet
Speaker 1: into the ground, you create a stable base, and then
Speaker 1: what happens is your hips won't turn too early.
Speaker 3: So the worst thing.
Speaker 1: People do is slide off the ball or turn their
Speaker 1: hips too soon. Because if I turn my hips, what
Speaker 1: are my shoulders?
Speaker 3: Do? They turn as well? Right?
Speaker 1: They go with them, and to complete the swing, I
Speaker 1: have to lift, So I may only get sixty five
Speaker 1: or seventy degrees a turn, even though I feel like
Speaker 1: I've turned like crazy correct because if I turn it
Speaker 1: early and then lift, I don't really get the shoulder
Speaker 1: turn I'm after. So what I get people to do
Speaker 1: is push the ground. Think about their core so that
Speaker 1: you center your belly button. Think of the right side
Speaker 1: of view belly button moving like you like you start
Speaker 1: in a lawnmower, but.
Speaker 3: Not with your arm.
Speaker 1: Just that right side is can you see me here?
Speaker 1: That right side here is pulling that way. So what
Speaker 1: that does is it creates a one piece motion. Your
Speaker 1: arms won't just won't break arms arms are going to
Speaker 1: move with it because they're connected. What happens is when
Speaker 1: I do the core. See how my shoulders have not
Speaker 1: turned a lot yet, right, my hands.
Speaker 3: Are still all the way back here.
Speaker 1: So now all I do is turn my shoulders and
Speaker 1: my arms lift up and they reach a point where
Speaker 1: they can't go any further. So people should use the
Speaker 1: ground and then their right side core for right hands
Speaker 1: obviously to get the initial takeaway. So it's almost like
Speaker 1: you don't turn here and then you turn the second
Speaker 1: party backswing. And why that's so good is generally what
Speaker 1: stops first on the backswing tries to start first on
Speaker 1: the down swing. So if I overturn and then lift
Speaker 1: stopped first. When I do that, my.
Speaker 3: Shoulders starts first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my shoulders, right, yeah, so they're they're going to
Speaker 1: want to start down. Now if I do it the
Speaker 1: other way, if I go core and then shoulders, it
Speaker 1: feels like my shoulders kept going, So then I'll just
Speaker 1: start down that way and I'll slought it because my
Speaker 1: shoulders don't want to spin because they felt like they
Speaker 1: were completing the back swing rather than starting the backs.
Speaker 2: That's no, that's great, actually, that actually understand that completely.
Speaker 1: So that's you've got to have foot pressure to do it,
Speaker 1: because you need resistance in the ground to pull the
Speaker 1: core from and then to turn against.
Speaker 3: Now I'm not saying you've.
Speaker 1: Got to keep you right hip still. It will still turn,
Speaker 1: but I'm not trying to turn my hip. I'm basically
Speaker 1: my shoulder turn is now going to turn that hip
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it's not going to overturn. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to get deeper into it so i'd feel
Speaker 1: all loaded on my right leg, which now I can
Speaker 1: start my downswing with rather than up here.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, all right, I'm going to I'm maybe hit
Speaker 2: bars today even though it's fifty degrees, so I'm going
Speaker 2: to give it a shot.
Speaker 3: It works, It works well.
Speaker 1: It's one piece take where you're not manipulating anything with
Speaker 1: your wrists or getting the club too far off plane.
Speaker 1: Not that that's a great big deal, but it's going
Speaker 1: to be pretty pretty even there. But just seeing whatever
Speaker 1: stops last, so when you feel your shoulders stopping last,
Speaker 1: they're not going to want to start first.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, cool, thank you? That is like, this is
Speaker 2: a victory. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: So you're is that will That's an easy thing to
Speaker 1: remember and to keep doing because now remember every little
Speaker 1: swing change you make does have an effect on something,
Speaker 1: but right that won that'll only have a good effect
Speaker 1: because it's not going to make you do crazy things.
Speaker 1: It's going to put you on the right path coming down. Okay,
Speaker 1: and foot pressure.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm working on the foot pressure and on
Speaker 2: the turn. Bradley, thank you so much for taking the
Speaker 2: time to do this. I really appreciate you it a lot.
Speaker 1: Hopefully everyone gets a good bars out of some of
Speaker 1: that and gets some great info that's going to help
Speaker 1: their game.
Speaker 3: And if not, come see me awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, while you tell everybody just quickly where you're at
Speaker 2: May You're Bradley hughesgolf dot com.
Speaker 1: That's what I do you want to So I'm based
Speaker 1: out in Greenville, South Carolina, and at Holytree Country Club.
Speaker 1: At the moment, our course is getting renovated, but the
Speaker 1: range is not, so I'll be there for lessons, short
Speaker 1: game putting, all that stuff. Just no on course stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, our weather's pretty good all year round. You'll
Speaker 1: find links to the lessons on my website bradleyhuesgolf dot com.
Speaker 1: And then if you liked what I talked about today,
Speaker 1: you'll find some more video work and talk about it
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Bradley, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, look forward to watching and hope everyone had
Speaker 1: a good time.
Speaker 3: And thanks for asking me to be on.
Speaker 2: Thank you.