Speaker 1: Hello ladies, Jubman, Welcome back to your bi weekly edition
of The Gimmick. I am the King of the Pond.
If I can change my name as quickly as I can,
I'm trying. I am joined by the front row of
Punk's Apology to her David, how's it going, sir?
Speaker 2: Uh, it's going good.
Speaker 3: Just gearing up for a very short work week and
then headed into the holiday and continuing to watch the
Uh like I said the Seampunk Apology Tour, that this
man is taking some bumps, he's having to do some
public apologies and is booking is definitely uh my bad,
Sorry for a mean tweet.
Speaker 1: When's he apologizing to me? You know, all the stuff
that's happened over the years, there's so much stuff. If
I could tell young Travis, like money in the bank here,
what's gonna happen? I'd be flabbergasted. But yes, this is
your episode of the Gimmick. I suppose we'll be joining
us shortly. He's the light, so we're gonna just talk
about the plugs and the little things of what's been
going on. But uh, yeah, July is gonna be busy
for both of us, because obviously we got lots of
wrestling stuff, so obviously the gimmick we're figuring that all
out we've talked about before where we're gonna see what
happens the weekend. Because right now, so you can go back,
we did last week, we did our GM mot stream.
We end up doing five actual weeks, so we did
weeks six to fifteen, just because we blew through week
six and it was just an hour and we tried
to do like an hour a half, two hours, So
go watch that. That was tons of fun, lots of
fun moments on there. Next one will be sometime in July,
so yeah, we're closed to we're on the last not
last four, but it's gonna be weeks sixteen to twenty,
so we're like gonna be soon on the road to
WrestleMania and might even do restume. We'll see. So that
was always a fun time to check that out. S
pub's stillingly right now, but you know, not gonna last long.
Something's gonna happen. But and then the next oh, go ahead.
Speaker 2: They'll say the gap is closing, The gap is closing.
Speaker 1: It is closing. Yeah, mister Peel, you had some good
shows there, and then I got some cars made to
save but and then the next episode we're gonna be
doing so we're That's where I said, we're gonna figure
it out, because what is it. It's July twelfth and thirteenth,
where we have a combination of the Great American Bash,
Saturday night's main event, Evolution and all in set. We're
not gonna do anything on Saturday, so we haven't decided either.
Somehow on the Sunday we might try and do like
two episodes where we record like a portion in the
morning that covers like because I won't be watching Bash live,
I'll be watching all in.
Speaker 4: I think you'll be watching all in. I imagine probably
watching Bash.
Speaker 1: That's where it's like, even the Saturday, if we wanted to,
we won't have the time to cover them both because
at the same time. And then Sunday it's tough because
like that we're gonna see what can happen.
Speaker 4: If our schedule is gonna line that we could.
Speaker 1: Do one in the morning and then a review of
Evolution and kind of put that all together. That would
be ideal, But we don't know our lives yet, and
maybe we'll just have to do a mega episode Sunday
night after evolution and just steamroll. Like if there's a
match we don't want to talk about, don't care. We'll
give our quick thoughts, move along, because that's a lot
of stuff. Luckily, I think like we're gonna talk about today.
But like, luckily, I don't think Goldberg and gun is
gonna have like a lot to break down. Like I
don't think that's gonna be like we're gonna we're gonna
say what we need to. So that's where, and we
don't know the events, like all the matches and what's
gonna happen right Saturday Night's main event in general could
be like kind of a mech card and just top
heavy there. So we'll update you, but definitely sometime something
with July thirteenth will be covering it at some point,
So July fourteenth you'll get an episode just because obviously
a big weekend there. And then yeah, we got big
weekends for you know, our big months coming up for
geek fers and then you over at Marble Alliance because
on the way to Fantastic four, you guys are finished
Ironheart but then yeah, F four is about to come up.
We're just talking about that off air, hot and heavy
So July is gonna be a busy month, you know, so.
Speaker 3: A lot of content cranking out on all ins. So
I'm I'm looking.
Speaker 2: Forward to it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's gonna be busy, but the amount of good
stuff that I'm hoping that we get, and no, I'm
not counting Gooonther and Goldberg in my list of good stuff,
but the amount of good stuff.
Speaker 4: That maybe the Pole miracle, you know.
Speaker 3: Uh yet, No, I what his longest matches since his
comeback has been what like two and a half minutes.
Speaker 1: Or something like that, Like, yeah, I think the longest
one was the.
Speaker 4: I think it was him.
Speaker 1: Was it him and bro No, I was trying to
think it was him and brocket Mania?
Speaker 4: Or was him and Bobby?
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Maybe was the I think it's actually
the Bobby one. But uh, because I missed a lot
of those Goldberg matches. Yeah, and O three he was
he was putting out some longer ones.
Speaker 3: But yeah, his match versus the Undertaker at Super Showdown
was nine minutes and that went about eight minutes too long.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it in full. I remember being a
kid and that being one of the biggest dream matches
of all time. You know, think about like Man Goldberg, Undertaker.
I used the fantasy book that all the time in
my video games, and I've only seen the highlights same
way as I've never because I stopped, which is crazy
because my whole life, people will tell me, all, you're
gonna stop watching wrestling. I'm like, no, I love this,
I'm love this, And I didn't stop watching because I
didn't love wrestling. And she's like I could not handle
WV and those like last I'm trying to think like
twenty I think it's maybe twenty eighteen to like maybe
twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: I'd have to look at the errors, but I think it's.
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three, twenty four of those
last years. And yeah, I never I only watch Mania.
I watched like the Big Four, Mania, Rumble, Summer Slam,
Money to Banke, and then the rest were all kind
of highlights or whatnot. But yeah, I never even saw
the whole Triple H Undertaker Super Show thing, the whole.
I've never seen the Brothers Destruction versus d X again.
That's another fantasy match that's like an all time Like man,
it wouldn't have been cool, but I've seen the highlights,
and I've heard how bad it is, but I've never
seen a lot of those early Saudi shows. You know, Yeah, with.
Speaker 3: Their early set of shows, you did not miss much.
I was talking with someone the other day when they
were asking about the women and things like that, I go,
the first couple of shows didn't even.
Speaker 2: Have no women there.
Speaker 3: So the fact that we've gotten this far with them,
and I do love the meme that I saw about
the where the Royal Rumble is gonna basically look like
them just as power Rangers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to the ladies, but I hope they
talk about what gear because Raquel, Ria and Roxane we're
all looking like variations of the same type of gear.
But yeah, that's gonna be interesting. But here he is,
s Bubs.
Speaker 4: You know, the goat.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't even talk about broke my brain
for a second. That's we're gonna talk about with the show.
How's it going, s Bubs? Yeah, so we're just talking
about dream actors, something about the old savvy shows where
they used to be just like a glorified house show.
Speaker 5: But then that was just like two days ago, just
for like no reason, I was going through the car
to like all of them because I was trying to
find like because I've seen like in some of the
older ones they were like in some crazy stadiums and stuff.
So I was just trying to figure out, like I
was just looking at like different venues and stuff, and
I just eventually stumbled into like the cards for these shows.
And yeah, there's some like it's weird. It's like they'll
be like they'll all have like one good match on
them that it's like nowhere near the main event. It'll
be like it'll be like they'll do something like I
don't know, like Finn Valor versus Samo Joe, like two
out of three's falls match or whatever, just like just
like as like the third match of like a fifteen
match show or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember when I was a kid and
I used to do because the rest of showgle all time.
Speaker 4: I had like my federation with the toys. I used
to book everything, but.
Speaker 1: I would do Monday like I do Raw and SmackDown.
But then I did like a house show thing even
as a kid. And that's where I we just book
the most wild matches. They're always cross brand and that's
what saw because like I forget like they ran back
Triple H and Randy Orton, Triple H and John Cena,
A couple of those stuff, which Triple H and John
Cena is the weirdest, Like what like.
Speaker 5: I was reading like Wikipedia, the good thing it has
like it also includes like the build up and the
build up to Triple A. Truth is Randy Orton was
like on SmackDown, they played a video package of all
their matches and then the next week the match happened
and they did one.
Speaker 1: Promo they did they did want people for Algorithm Farmers.
They shared and they're like, oh, I can't remember who
it is, but they're like they market as like Triple H.
Randy started to shoot in the prom when it's like, no,
they didn't. It was just like a regular heat problem.
But it pops my time and I'll share it next time.
And yeah, and because technically that's Triple H's a I
don't think that's his last match with Randy though.
Speaker 5: No, I think it's left their matches on a house show.
It's like on an LDIA house show as gender or something.
Speaker 1: So what they did do on a raw though in
the COVID era, there's a no conta his TV one
is a no contest with him and Randy where it
just went to a big brawl and nothing. And I
don't know what they're doing back then, like why why
trip was wrestling scene at Randy or I get it
because Saudi wanted the people.
Speaker 5: But I think the Sino one is like literally the
first match on like the first set, like on Greatest
Royal Rumble. I think it opened with Sina.
Speaker 1: As they built that. I did see the Greatest Roll
rumb I did because I was curious about the fifty Man.
So that's one Saudi match I did see. But yeah,
those early ones I didn't see a lot of, like
when they were doing like Team flairing Team Hogan, like
Running Back teen A and w CW feuds.
Speaker 5: That's like one of the best RTED Saudi matches of
like all those, because the teams are like, yeah, the
teams are stacked. It was like Rictochet Roman. It was like,
I don't know Hogan just you know he loved the
indie flips. He had to get those guys on his team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least now they try and make them
in the show. So yeah, today we're gonna do That's
gonna be bulk the show, and then we're gonna talk
about some predictions for Great American Bash Saravent but just
goo thro Goldberg. We're gonna save SummerSlam because we can
do that still a little bit, and then all in
and then a review Night of Champion. So yeah, David,
because I've been on a traditional gimmick, you're in a bit.
What was your thoughts on Night of Champion overall? Some
on the build, Austin, We'll go batch by match, but
what was your thoughts on the show so far or
not so far? The show yesterday?
Speaker 3: The show yesterday was a show that took place at
noon on Saturday. That that is all I can really
say about it. This was a very pink by numbers thing,
like I forgot to post it on X but I
had written down like my match predictions and cause I
was having to run into a kid's game, so I
was gonna be watching the first part of my phone
and then the wrestling TV and I looked and I
was like, oh, I'm right on everything. But it was
so easy to just look and go, yeah, this is
the direction that there gonna go with this. That it
was very paint by numbers, like.
Speaker 1: Did you call solo beating Jacob at least you did
you call this?
Speaker 5: Yes? Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I figured that with with goodd O Talatanga
being around, that he was going to finally make his
debut and this was going to be the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Spubs was meming about that. But I don't like
when s Bubs is yeah, okay, he has the photo.
I don't like when s Bubbs's meme sort of jokes
end up being true because I'm like, like, I was
hoping that thing was gonna the chokes line.
Speaker 4: Would happen after the match. Well, we'll get there. I
just was I couldn't believe you already lost the title here, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was very They didn't want long title rings,
so now everyone is getting you get a maximum eighty
days because he was losing. So I think the longest
rating now is Tiffany. She's like, I think the only
person who hasn't lost their title. I think it's her
in Oba Femi because they won on like the first
week of January.
Speaker 3: Okay, you keep Jacob strong because it took everyone to
kind of take him out and beat him. But Steal
I was just like, this is I knew the writing
on the wall for all of these the way that
they've been building Jade, and then when she made her intro,
I was like, Oh, this is a lock that you're
not doing the full on storm intro and this isn't happening.
We know that Seeing Punk wasn't beaten John Cena for
the title. You gotta save that for Cody. Well, how
do you get Cody there?
Speaker 5: Boom?
Speaker 3: Everything about this was paint by numbers and I really
did not care about carrying Cross and Sammy's ay game. No,
sammy' zain gets gets a good pop and after that
it's like all right, and I'm like they're not having
after they spent all this time about Sammy not going overseas,
Sammy not going overseas, and then the last two years
he's finally been over there.
Speaker 2: He got a big pop. Last time. I knew he
was going to get a big one.
Speaker 3: This time, you're not having the Muslim loose to the
former skinhead in Saudi.
Speaker 2: It's not happening.
Speaker 1: Gimmick, gimmick skinhead, just to save you not not realize skin, yes,
not realize before we get see Gary Conas is not
a realized skin. But yeah, he was quite the character.
But okay, so overall, sorry show for you. S Bob's
where were you on nine Champions?
Speaker 5: I thought I enjoyed it like a good amount. I'd
probably still rank it like I was doing like my
dropkick ratings. It's good back hit the quarter stars I
forget to like use them, but this one I used
for like my rating. I'd give it like I think
like three and a quarter as I'm rating, because I
have like backlashing money in the bank at like three
and a half, so I'd give this like slightly lower
because I feel like those like right now that things
of the show is like when I'm ranking the it's
like what I watch one in full over another, like
if I'm thinking of it, like would it be worth it?
Which is why like the WrestleMania Night one from this year,
ranking is so hard to me because like the last
two matches I love, like like what it is like
a four and a half and like a five star
for me, but then the rest of the show is
like all just like three weeks, So it's like would
I rather watch a bunch of like matches that I
don't like just to get to the two really great
matches or this one where there's like a good match
at the start. I like the R and Raquel one
a lot. Was it Sammy and Cross is like that's
like a mid Jade and Oscar's like mid Jacob and
Solo was like it was It wasn't like i'd say,
slightly better than the other ones, because I thought it
was still like enjoyable obviously seeing the goat tonggaloa, but
I probably still put that in the mid mid tier.
And then I did like I did actually like Punk
and Sina like a good amount. I don't know if,
but like i'd put it, I was looking like I
didn't look back at what I rated like Orton and Sina.
I think i'd pretty much end up like I looked
back before, Like I didn't, I didn't look at what
I rated before I made this one. Then I looked
back and I ended up with like the same rating
for both love.
Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, well there you go. Yeah. No,
I hated this show. I did not enjoy my time
with this show. I don't think it's an all timeer
bad show because we just talked about, you know, some
previous Saudi shows and the Vince era, so I always
and this will be the last one. I clarify because
I looked at because I looked when, because s bubs
I said like, oh, it is just the worst of
the Triple A cher I at least said it for me,
and then he threw out some so I.
Speaker 4: Had to go look. And now we're not even a
year technically yet.
Speaker 1: It's it was January twenty twenty four when he officially
got like the full creative So it's like, we're not
even or we are here, but I mean, like it
felt it feels longer, but it's not. But I'm gonna
now officially stop saying like, oh compared to events, because
like now it's gone and it's hopefully it's not coming back.
Speaker 4: But always take it.
Speaker 1: If it's not worse than that stuff, or if it is, sorry,
I will clarify, but always know, if I'm talking about
some of these shows being not the greatest, there's much
worse stuff that was happening in that era that I
couldn't even watch that maybe stop watching, But yeah, I
thought this was the weakest show of his era so far. Yeah,
I will talk about match by match like the start.
I really liked Ria Raquel too as well. I think
For me, it's a combination of there's a lot of yeah,
just mid to all right matches. Like again, feels like
I hate that some of these plis are having a
lot of shows that feel like they should just be
TV matches or sometimes even dark matches like even Rehian
like Raquel to a degree, they always run those type
of street fights in the main events sometimes with the ladies,
Like I remember Ria.
Speaker 4: I feel like every one on.
Speaker 5: Ria and Raquel was the main event of Raw. Yes
set up like the the EO. They like pretty much
just told you that EO was winning like three months
before it happened, because she just like ran out for
the save and they like live was the champion, but
she was not in the ring at all. It was
just re and EO holding the title.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like it's one of these things that I
think they and they've how many times have we seen
pictures of house shows where it's like Ria is celebrating,
there's like a broken table, Like I think they've probably
had this match I and this's not takeaway, but they've
had this countless of times.
Speaker 4: But it was still tons of fun.
Speaker 1: But Yeah, there's just lots of questions I have with
almost every match other than Ria and Raquel. That was
the only match I had like zero issues with. I
wouldn't like rank it like it's not five out of five,
but I mean every match, even Rand and Cody, which
I thought was great. I just had some issues of
they tell me one thing and they do another thing,
but then they go.
Speaker 4: Back to it.
Speaker 1: I will wait till we get to see him Punk
and John Cena. The week alone has been something, but
that match I really did not enjoy. As far as
the backup, I just hate that the last match between
these two, the last twelve minutes is just like a
fucking like the worst Bloodline Rules mat ever, Like Penta
is coming out doing his slow smooth criminal well it's
like the Jeff Hardy a w like Oh John, like
Sam Pauskin is askic and you know just gonna come
to like it. It's just weird even to like tell
Sef to get his fucking gear on, because we know
he's not Kash again. We know there's not gonna be
no highlight of him rocking his jacket, like at least hey,
get your gear to make us think there's a chance
it could have. It just felt like I think my
problem with the show. It felt a little lazy, just
felt like, hey, we'll just go out there, We're gonna
pay regardless, do whatever, and I just man at least
the scene of pipe Bomb we talked about a little
on the gymo, but it's like I liked that I've
seen it. I think it's like we're already getting the
double turn, so I'm starting to like or not the
double turn, the baby face turn some I'm liking some
isms there. But every match he's had, I've I've not
Travis Scott our truth and now this had, you know whatever,
Sas Group is Penta Sammy like all this stuff, and
this is something where because to Emily, I liked the
stare that he did on Cody for the heel turn,
this one felt way too comedic, like it was just
like when he hung on, just like it just he
sometimes slips into being way to like eight I say,
Becky's an eighties heel sometimes Sena goes to. And it's
weird because it felt like the past couple of weeks
he was finding his groove is like a more almost
natural heel, like he's being argant and cocky, not the
like hey Jay us so wouldn't this be back like
it felt like, oh, he's kind of tapping in this
like oh three or four, and then he slipped right
back into like robot heel Sena. So I again, we'll
talk about it. I please, yes, Cody win. No double turn,
h no double turn. Just get the belt off Sena.
Have him a good guy, like I'm ready for the nostalgia.
I know there's two things triple ah. Oh you know,
wouldn't you not want just Sina do the nostalgia act now? Yes?
And I remember when Chamber happened and they did the
finals with punkin Sena, and I was like, oh, I
hope we get more for me. I wish that actually
was in And I guess we can start there because
for me, I I enjoyed the match enough. I just
felt like it was like in three sections. The first
section was a lot of they're gonna do like a
hold and then stare at the crowd, lots of ore framing,
lots of like here we go. And then there was
a lot of just like clunky. Like there was two
times where for some reason Sena had Punk on the
fireman's carry and he slipped and they were just there
for like ten seconds, I was like, what's going It
happened twice I was like, what's going on? And then
it just felt like and now I know why they're
having a regular match, Like okay, I'm waiting for them
to build up, and then all of a sudden they
started spamming their finishers. I'm like, this is odd, but
then I know, okay, cause Seth's gonna come out in
the last ten minutes is nothing but interference. So that's
what I kind of hate, where I wish this was
the whole everything they did with Seth and the sena
and Punk shaking hands, him turning, they could have done
that postmatch, like I would rather than have Seena Punk
do one last great match and then the cash in
and then maybe it's like Punk even stops, like they
could have done similar things and then still have seen
a kind of kick him the nuts and leave like
oh you thought he was gonna turn good, but now
not this time, and still have seen a beat like cheat.
It just I hate that that's the ending to all this,
and it's like and all see lots of stuff this week. Again,
I learned at an early age when you were a
W fan and you had to live through the ben Wira.
You learn as a kid your heroes that you can't
they can't if they're fictional, they can't be your heroes.
Speaker 4: Since this is gonna happen. Nothing like that happened with Punk.
Speaker 1: But that's where it is, like, Man, what a week
it's been to be like if you had have told
me Travis money in the bank, the guy who that
was an air where no one spoke up against Vince anything,
and this guy went against the wheel. And now it's
like that first promo to go back, he said, Hey,
I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make money.
Man to that ring crew this week and just it
felt odd. And before I passed over, because we're talking
about the whole build everything of I found it very
odd to be like, we're gonna do the storyline that
Seempunk's a hypocrite, and what's he gonna do to respond? Nothing, Really,
he's just gonna be a hypocrite because people say like, oh,
well Punk did that the Scena in the first pipe
on right. The difference was he was going after the
John Cena character. John Cena didn't talk all this stuff publicly,
So that's the tough thing they put Punk in. Whatever
you think about the Sauty stuff, which I thought, Yeah,
he's hurt his legacy a lot this week. Unfortunately, he's
made like a lot of things just not look good,
especially the aw Ton with all these promos and the tweets,
and now it's just like it just feels like he
just switches sides to whatever is going to make a money.
Like back in the day, it felt like he would
say things that were true. Now it's like, Okay, you're
just popping whoever's there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure in ten years when they do a shoot
interview he's going to say a bunch of stuff that
It's kind of like Brett where I love WCW. I
love it, and then now it's like I fucking hate Bischoff,
I hate Hogan, Like he has very bred that way
where they kind of change the narrative of how what
their situation is. But I did not understand the idea
to make this public of you could do this whole
feud and not have Punk. The whole thing is he's
a hypocrite and it was very odd to book a
baby face that way who's still super hot. Luckily he is,
But this was the first time, kind of like comane.
He was starting to get booze. Obviously that Saudi that's
a whole different thing. But yeah, it just yeah this
people I thought pop were over exaggerating when they compared
it to Dusty and the Polka Dots. But this was
worse than the Polka Dots. I don't think it's that.
But like, I'll be a Taylor Field conspiracy theorist if
you were to tell me that, Yeah, Triple H gave
him his main event. But then I was like, oh man,
I can't wait to fuck it. Like if this was
him getting him back for that Cold Cobana podcast. It
fucking felt like that this week, go yeah, last match,
you're gonna the fact. They had him record a video
and that played before smacked and apologized to Saudi, like.
Speaker 5: The press conference. They just played the clip from like
the press conference. It was a like a separate It.
Speaker 3: Was still awkward though, Like he comes out and the
first thing he does is I'm sorry, I woke up.
I had a bat day. I wrote a mean tweet
like nothing dust.
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and everything. It was around Saudi Arabia time.
It's just like there was a like that's my thing
that I think that annoys me with Punk. It's not
that it's like you know what. I felt that back then,
but they explained to me how it works. I've been
here and I was just flat out wrong. But to
be like, yeah, the tweet wasn't about you guys. It's
like the stuff you do in aw where he'd be like, oh,
like I know people meme on it, but like, oh,
I just choked him a little. It is a funny meme.
But at the same time, the guy was still going
backstage like get in the fights.
Speaker 4: But because Punk's a.
Speaker 1: Funny guy and he's great, it's like it's a meme
and it's like I love Punk.
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, Like he's one of my old timers.
Speaker 1: But it's just like I can't take he's not he's
not the same guy. I can't take what he says
like truthfully. So it's just like just lying a different
way to say, oh, yeah, I was I was completely
wrong about Saudi Arabia and not like.
Speaker 3: Oh you know now that I'm here, now that I've
experienced your culture, you know what I want to say,
I'm sorry for the tweet, not try and go oh,
you know, it wasn't about you, It's about the miss
I had to bet at No, Hey, you know what
I'm here now, I've been around your culture, your kind.
It's beautiful, you know, glad to be here, and you
could have just walked off from that, but not. Yeah,
that apology thing, it does seem like Triple Ah sat
him down, was like, look, here's the offer. Here, here's
the main event, but here is your booking afterwards. You
want this, just know that after that you're gonna have
about three months of just eating crow. So how how
bad do you want this?
Speaker 1: And again I think it's been mixed to negative, But
like that Punk Life segment to me was awful, like
he was stumbling through his lines I've said before, and
the discord that he should have came out did like
three and then gts to get out of there, like
using the Nikki Bella thing as like a gaunt you.
It's like she's been like she's been back for like
multiple times. Scene has been back, Like it's not a
scene's married now NICKI has a kid.
Speaker 3: Like it just they've got the behind the scenes to
them walking up and saying hi to each other like
it it's not a thing anymore.
Speaker 1: It felt very like I remember that same Punk when
he was on that Hawaiian interviewers, like, yeah, m Jeff's great,
he just played the online crowd a bit too much.
And I was like, this is exactly like that's that
MGF type of when mgf's the worst and he does
that like internet bait stuff that was punk or whoever.
Speaker 4: Wrote that for Punk right apparently was Bobby Ruds who
produced it.
Speaker 1: Whoever did Punk should have been like, hey, whatever, I'm
going to Saudi apologize.
Speaker 4: I'll lose a sena.
Speaker 1: We can't do this for this long. Like it just
was like skin crawling watching this funk thing, and it
just it was odd and like I said, I used
as a thumbnote just because it was funny, just like the
last shot of Punk on ninety channel is him a
lot of them not dead next to the fucking Saudi logo.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I just.
Speaker 1: I'm more disappointed all that stuff aside the Punk stuff,
because yeah, I'm disappointing like that aspect the match, I
just I did not love the whole all the interferences,
the multiple people taking really slow time to get down there.
Speaker 4: I just did not like the layout of it.
Speaker 1: To me, it's like I think it's like, honestly like
a two point five or a three, just because that
last Shenanigans. And like I said, I think they spammed
the finish a bit too much. But what do you
think about the actual match version of it?
Speaker 3: The up until I think the way that they did
the interference, I'm aagree with you there. Like up until then,
I was fine with the match version. It looked like
though yes, they were biding their time, they couldn't do
certain moves because they were waiting for this big interference
spot to really have this moment. The whole embrace slash,
try and kick you in the nuts thing seemed a
little bit out of place in that segment of the match.
I'm with you in do the match even if you
have the run ins and that's how Punk loses. But
then afterwards they kind of fight them off, and then
you think, okay, Scena's making.
Speaker 1: For the handshake. Like before the.
Speaker 3: Scena's making a face turn because now that you know
the match is over and they're still beating down Punk,
he's helping them out.
Speaker 2: And then they do the handshake.
Speaker 3: And the nutkick whatever. Oh no, he's not turning face.
He got us, you know, do that after the match.
It's just where it was placed in the match just
did not make sense for any of that.
Speaker 1: And I thought they were gonna do like an easy
back to back fight them off, and then that's the
moment of cause like there the crowd reacted when Sina
stopped Setham Cashi in of like, oh, he's helping Punk,
but like you gotta remember, Seena's still the champ. He's
just trying to stop the cash like he's not helping
Punk here. So I thought it was gonna be they're
both in the ring together, they fight all these people
off at the same time, and then it's like the okay,
you did have my back. Even then, I could have
bought the handshake of hey, I would have thought this moment,
you would have just let them beat me up. Thanks
appreciate that. And even I like seeing at first, I'm
not gonna do I'm not gonna do.
Speaker 4: It, do it. It just it was odd that the
match was not over, like, oh, let me let me
shake your hands.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's Punk caught the nutshot, because they would
have just made Punk look like an absolute bigger loser
if he just like then got the like kind of
what they did to Cody at WrestleMania, but at least encountered.
Speaker 3: But instead of the tunish, you know, the the hug
and the lingering on Sina's facial expressions. I, if you're
going to do it in that spot, I would have rather, Okay,
you guys do the handshake and then going to the
spot where you guys immediately just start going blow for blow,
Like if it was that, hey, mutual respect, now we're
back at this, I could have done that more than that.
It was just a little bit jarring and over the
top for me, and it did not fit for that match.
Speaker 1: Yees, bubs, I think you're more pausitive on us. Now
now's your now's your time to.
Speaker 5: Punk caught the nutshet because he was looking at the
screens behind them, like the.
Speaker 4: God damn, that's true.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, how do you feel at this main event here?
Speaker 5: No? Yeah, I enjoyed it. I thought, Yeah, like you said,
I think the parts where they're like actually wrestling, I
did enjoy I did feel like it was it was
pretty similar to what they did in the chamber match,
just like the overall sequences of it. What else, Yeah,
when the finish the whole like like all the run
ins and stuff. Yeah, it was definitely like like weird.
I thought it was like weird. No, I didn't. I
don't know, like I sort of expected it and didn't
like I was expecting Seth like at some point, but
I don't know. I like I couldn't imagine the runs,
But I don't know why. I didn't expect that, like
more people would come out, probably to like stop them.
I don't know what I was expecting my head. I
guess they just like beat them up until the match
and there's something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well and that's why it's and well, I guess
the other thing.
Speaker 4: I wasn't expecting it.
Speaker 1: But honestly a lot of people thought Roman was coming
the crowded and then just in general because the reports
he's work in Summer Slam. But I was interested that
Seth came down because it's funny because I know, I
suppose you'd be listening to the podcast sometimes they had
flowsun and I've seen other people talk about this about
like this like conspiracy theory, not the prospect for.
Speaker 4: I haven't got there yet.
Speaker 1: A boo and other like we listened to a wrestled
Peers podcast, but then other people talked about it that
like the conspiracy theory of top guys don't want to
work with Gunther because it's very I'm gonna see what happens,
but it's odd. It felt like Seth and the money
Bank was used for that. But now he's like in
the WWE sena like sphere, you know, and I don't know,
maybe he will go over there, but I've seen this
conspiracy theory of like, oh, some top guys just don't
think he Gunther's like on their level popularity wise, and
they want to be over there. And that's why I'm
wondering now because Seth, because now it's like once he
won the briefcase, Sina said, hey, he's not cashing it
on me, and now we have this it's tough because
Punk is there. So you could just say that's the reason.
But I would not be surprised if what happens at
Summer Slam is Cody beats Sina, Sina does his whatever
babyface turn, and then somehow Seth cash is in. I
don't know how.
Speaker 5: I haven't even more prediction, which I think think there
it's punk and Seth on night one, Seth loose and
then he cashes in on the second night, like how
he lost first and then he cashed in the second.
Speaker 1: So here's the only thing that I'm gonna take back
more petition. I think you're right, and I think maybe
he'll lose. I think how Cody's gonna stay babyface. I
think how they're gonna turn Sena heel or so no,
no again, how they're gonna turn a baby face super.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a good chance that after the match,
the crew comes down, beats them all up, and Seth
goes to cash in, but Sena makes the save and
does not let Seth cash in on Cody. And I
could see that being the way, even if that makes
Seth lose, because Saith can literally just get a title
shot like the next week on Raw and no one's
gonna baden eye. But I'm wondering if that's why Seth
is in the sphere now? Is that scene's like no,
it can't can't because he made a big deal about that,
right SNA took the briefcase from him. I couldn't like
all here, but he was like pointing, like just kind
of say, I think I say it was bullshit, even
though like, well actually kind of fits so because Sina
when he won money of the bank he did is
the call is shot thing, right, He didn't cash in
the cheap way. He's at a punk here's the date
we're gonna wrestle, So it would kind of make sense
that the Scena character is like, no, this is the
cowards way, even though like the old scenas like telling
him like, even though you're kicking guys in the nuts
and him of the title, he did throw that title away.
So that's my actual official prediction that Scenea's gonna stop
the cash in and then Cody and him will shake
hands and embrace or whatever, and then he'll be back
to fully good and maybe even get like Scene and
Seth for a pay per view, Like they could run
that back, and I think they can have like a
good enough match.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, now you say I think, yeah, they're
definitely doing a Seth scene match, like you feel like
I don't know where that would be, maybe like at
like the Paris Show or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think they'd so I guess it
depends because he's still.
Speaker 5: Being like, oh, you know what, that'll be the Australia match.
That'll be like first like perfect, so he gets the
win over the the Heel because they're building this whole
Australia show. It's like Sina's back and like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's a good call.
Speaker 1: And I wonder because I feel like it'd be easy enough
for a work what is the percent of Sea being
in a war Games match because we know it's gonna
be like Sess group and like probably a Cody or
whatever group.
Speaker 4: I could see Scena be yeah yeah, and I feel like.
Speaker 5: You could do like that much stuff war games that
you can just like hold the kendostick and just like
hit Bronson reed for a while or whatever.
Speaker 1: Because then Sophie so like, so you get a Sena
Seth match, and then you get a Sena War Games match,
and then we're rumored in December to get like a
Sena show, right, Like that's the rumor. They're just doing
like a you know, the last.
Speaker 5: It's like a TV event.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I don't I bet they'll I bet
they're gonna almost mark that as like a p l
E in a way like almost like a certainame's main event.
But I think they'll do that and then I don't know.
I really don't know who is last match is gonna be.
I don't know if they're gonna go like the heartfelt
route and it's a class opponent, or if they're gonna
go someone's gonna destroy him. It was destroying. I hope
it's Braun. I hope Braun just spirit, But I don't
know if they I don't know if they're gonna do that.
I feel like they're gonna give them.
Speaker 5: I know it's gonna be like in Boston too.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so they they haven't announced where their quarter
four Saturday Night's main event is gonna be, so that.
Speaker 2: That could be it. They're Q four one.
Speaker 5: And they like it Saturday Nights. It's either like it's
either like it's either Saturday Nights VADE event or like
Saturday Night's Vade event with a different name. Pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just hope. I hope it's still like they
change it. It's a day and it's a ple or
additional one. I seen his last match. I have a
bunch of commercials in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: I'd rather a p l E because I get the
appeel of putting it on like network television and cool feel. Yeah,
but I mean, honestly, what are the what are the
numbers really doing for the Saturday night's main events?
Speaker 5: Like they're pretty good, like the Truth so you know
what has like some crazy years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but compared to a pl like this, this isn't night.
Speaker 1: Which we don't get the numbers for right other than
because they just always throw out fake numbers of like
biggest WrestleMania I ever and it's like, what's the next
Well it's they're always like it's one hundred million plug
like whatever. It's just like these it's like uh, streaming numbers.
But the only way I would accept it is if
they did that. But they said the scene of portions
commercial free. Yeah, fine, then because they do the last
backdown right.
Speaker 3: Last hour commercial free, you know, like certain things do.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 3: So we know that the first half is probably going
to be short matches and a lot of commercials and
then the back half cool, we'll get one match beforehand
a promo package, because that's the other thing if I'm
watching it, I don't want to miss out on a
great promo package because you have to take a commercial
break or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine it's like and the other thing is too,
I just worry of I don't know, like it's seen
a wave into the crowd and they gotta countdown with
three seconds. I gotta get the hell out of there,
Like that's why. I hope it's just kind of like
what movie studios do where they're like, oh, yeah, this
is a Disney movie, but it's really Star Wars or Avatar.
Like I hope that's a date they got locked down.
I get why TV, because you could market that to
be like tune in to see Sina's Last Time and stuff.
But uh, yeah, we'll see, but yeah I don't. We'll
also wait till we get closer. But yeah, we are
coming near the end here, and it's uh, like I said,
hopefully baby Face turned. Let's do some fun stuff and
get away from this. Disappointed that Punk and seen as
Last Time ends in this type of route, but yeah,
we'll see. I guess Seth and Punk at Summer Slam.
I feel like Seth has to I guess you say
we'd lose. I feel like the only thing he has
to win because he's never fully beat Punk, right, Like
the cage match, like Roman, it took him out of
the ring and whatnot.
Speaker 5: The money in the bank thing is always like you
just lose a ton before you in look.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah yeah, So anything else on this one? On
the match, yeah, just on the match, yeah yeah, No,
nice chams specific.
Speaker 2: No, Like I said, it is very paint by numbers.
Speaker 3: It was a predictable and you're not taking the title
off of them just yet. And Punk still has some
more apologizing to Triple H. Specifically, he's just apologizing to
Triple H.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna lose this. I'll go again, so
I think he'll still lose a set, but then I
think they'll get back to booking them pretty well.
Speaker 2: How dare you say you don't need a match with me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That is that is WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I don't I really don't know.
Speaker 1: There's still money on the table for Punk and Roman,
but I don't know the trajectory of that. Like I said,
my pitch has been I could see Roman set at Mania,
and I wonder it's gonna sound bad, but I still
think you could just like won the secondary titles. I'm
Punk and that's kind of his because I feel like
also because he I think it was what a year
deal and then the rumors that he did re sign
to a new deal. But I feel like he is
kind of aw where it's usually three to four, so
it's like, I don't know if he's even gonna still
be wrestling after So yeah, I don't know, Like even
like WrestleMania, I can see him and Braun well I
guess right him in Austin is is is the hope,
but like, I don't know, I lost a little luster
of that after this, After this, it's not it's not
the same punker as it was before in Austin, you know,
but hey, it's in Vegas, so we can do it.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm looking now he's uh, he's never
been US champion, So.
Speaker 1: There we go. The US chan't run him versus solo WrestleMania,
we can just randomly jump to that we're all overnight champions.
But yeah, Solo.
Speaker 4: Jacob Faugh two.
Speaker 1: Uh again, not an awful match, but I just I
thought this match needed a little more gasoline, and I
just it was like a back and forth start and
then it was just Jacob selling for Solo in the corner.
Ordon o Catta chin lock, like a lot of that
stuff going on. Jacob fired up and then inner like
Bloodline rules match because the referee Solo.
Speaker 5: Was doing like he was doing both like his like
like Bloodline Leader lower stuff, but also doing like the
funny like you did, like Jacob Bazu's dance and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and again Jacob still start. I just I
get what they're doing here. They're extending the program.
Speaker 5: But for men beat them like five one, that's so yeah,
he's gonna be bury like like the next of the
like next is Sena take all them out and whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna take a DDT on the concrete and
still be Yeah, yeah, exactly. I remember there's a good
episode of it was on Jericho's podcast of Jericho Edge
and Hayman and I guess before the match they're all
like seen as like, oh, my plan is going to
take the spot, and they're all like that's a terrible idea.
It's not gonna work, and now I'm gonna do it.
And then after the match he's like, yeah, that was
a dumb idea. I shouldn't have done that. They're like yeah,
you like in a joking way of like you don't
just take a DDT on the things. Again, I didn't
have the effect I wanted, but I get it because
it is this thing that once Jacob beats Solo, I
know they have this whole new whatever the blood line is, like.
Speaker 4: The legacy bloodline people call it.
Speaker 1: But like, once this feud has ended, I really don't
know what you do with Solo and the bloodline. You
just constantly keep doing like then he does this with
Talla Tong. I don't know, but I get that. It
just I don't have any interest in this. My idea was,
or my hope was the breakup happens, they do one
bang or just brawl match, and then Jacob goes on.
But we're gonna extend this a couple of months. It's
just like Spub said, he's gonna work his way through
the bloodline legacy. And it's just again that just feels
like it's lazy TV. That's an easy Oh. We got
the next six weeks for Jacob Fought two, and it's
very stuff that you and I, all of us could
predict it, like we could half an hour lay out
the beats of Oh. This week, they go on top
of Jacob and this week he takes out Tom on
all this week, you know Tom or tam Tonga. This
week Tom with Tong goes back, Like there's all these
things you could do. So I even the match. I
thought the match was just kind of boring to mid
and then just like a messy end of like it's
an no DQ match, but this ref is down forever,
three people all over the place.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I did not like this match. I didn't I
like Jacob made to lose.
Speaker 1: I think he should just beat He should just beat
Solo here and move on. I don't think Jacob again,
it's like David said earlier, it's not a clean los
so of course they're protecting it, but like maybe it's
like what Spob said, they don't want people having these
long runs anymore. I don't know why I'm fine with
a mixture. I just I wish Jacob was having a
like a high profile, big time summer some match where
summer simes just like, eh, it's exactly what Braun and
Sammy was last year, right where Bron and Sammy got
like what six eight minutes Bron went over.
Speaker 4: Okay, we did that.
Speaker 1: That's what I feel that this is gonna be it's
gonna be Jacob's gonna bump Bloodline Legacy beat Solo. That's
at least I'm hoping they make them like a street
fight or a last Man's like something to give it
some juice, because.
Speaker 5: Oh, it'll be uh, it will either be Bloodline Rules
or Tribal Combat.
Speaker 1: But who probably travel.
Speaker 5: Tribal Combat is the supposedly everyone's band from Ringside, even
though it's all of them people run in uh. And
Bloodline Rules is Cody Roads the stipulation because defeated unless.
Speaker 1: Is this away for Jacob to try and like get
in with the USO's right, like they interfere in his Yeah.
Speaker 5: I've seen people saying like you, like they're gonna do
like a six man of like the USOS and Jacob
his solo and like two.
Speaker 1: Of the Summerslim are just summer, but like happens in
summer Slim. We're not getting Jacob and Solo to like
fucking rumble time. My god, they're gonna end at Saudi again,
which I like, you shared his Saudi streak of like
beating Pin and Roman pininsena. But yeah, I was just
like Jimmy Ooz is doing fucking nothing on SmackDown, And.
Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody about this the other day,
and I feel like they accidentally wrote themselves into a
scenario where they are always going to be intertwined. You've
grown this family in this legacy so much that once
this is done, where does all thirty of these people go?
Speaker 1: Like, you can't they are all clotification. He's good, he
comes back for his big money match and then goes away,
you know.
Speaker 3: But everyone else is just so intertwined. Now you're bringing
everyone in for this whole weird family storyline. Once this
is done, where does everyone go? What do you do
with the Tongans after this? What do you do with
certain people? Yes, jay Uso has his run as main
event Jay, so Roman is going to be Roman. Jacob
can stand on his own with anybody, But outside of that,
everyone else, everything about you is tied to this story.
So where do you guys go once this eventually runs
its course? Or is it always going to be some
form of a blood line.
Speaker 1: It's tough because at first I said, all the Tongans
easy tag team division, right, But it's like, I know
they won the toes, but like as I've seen Tongue
to Tonguelow cannot like he cannot be a credible tag
like have him and have them in d I Y
do match and see what happens for them and the
machine guns.
Speaker 5: Right, And they did have a match at some point
because I mean they won the titles.
Speaker 4: They know they did, right that that's the match.
Speaker 5: Well, no, because to actually won the Yeah, but I
think they did. I forget, Like how did they know?
Because because they lost.
Speaker 1: Remember there's a lot of match of fucking Tongol holding
the two titles and stuff.
Speaker 5: But then Motor City machine Guns beat them because like Roman,
Jimmy and Jay all ran in and take them out
and then the machine I know it.
Speaker 1: Can happen, I mean consistently the way where it's like, oh,
for the two years they're a tag team.
Speaker 5: Right, uh Jeff j tag team.
Speaker 4: I hate to say this. If bub breaks up.
Speaker 5: J C.
Speaker 1: Matteo's there for like a couple of years and then
he's like a PC trainer or he just gets released
like he's a mid card guy. Tall Tallatonga, I don't know,
we'll see is it.
Speaker 5: Taller just tall Tala but with one l Okay people
are meaning like with two ls. But the actual name.
Speaker 1: Is, we'll see with him and he can let like
I think he's similar.
Speaker 5: To that one year in the in the PC. I know.
Speaker 3: He's a former never open a weight champion.
Speaker 1: So hey and and Jimmy, yeah say thing like that's
a good case of Jay. He could even like he
could go back with you. But Jay easily could become
icy CHAMPI again, he could, I mark my words as
Tras told you Jay Usso if there's two world titles,
jay Us will be world title champion again one day.
Speaker 4: He is a perfect guy.
Speaker 1: If anyone ever goes down with injury, he's a perfect
well put on Jay because like people will love that
as long as people will like him. But to your point, Da,
we've see like Jimmy Usse was one of those people.
He's just stuck. He has nothing to do. He's not
caught on like that. I think Solo would be like
that unless the comedy gimmick stuff really got over. But
like I think it's a fifty percent where half of them,
you know, Roman, Jacob and j they found a path,
but then the other half I think it would be
like I don't know what they're gonna be. And that's
why I think they keep extending this bloodline thing because
so they're worried what they do.
Speaker 3: After Solo has gotten two singles titles before Jimmy Usso's
gotten one.
Speaker 1: Oh the North American you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Right, yep, which he lost.
Speaker 4: He never lost.
Speaker 1: He can go back to NXT and do that story.
Speaker 3: He's had two single titles before Jimmy Usso has ever
had one.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that and I don't think jimmyuz is getting
a single time unless it's the Speed Championship or he
goes NXT and pulls like a Dolve Ziggler run, you know.
So yeah, I think that's it. But yeah, no, that
was fine. We'll see what happens. You guys, got any
more thoughts on the match, in particularly on any notes
we haven't talked about.
Speaker 5: I'm just curious, like what the I guess the lineup
is gonna be, and like, what's what's the Tama Tongu
goad thing? Because also he got hurt like more recently than.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was a hurt her like a
it was like at least a six month injury. I'll
let me take a look.
Speaker 5: Here, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: One month ago. The first thing possible you put up injury.
Speaker 1: It's read it.
Speaker 4: What happened to Toma Tonga, let's.
Speaker 5: See, Yeah, because they just wrote him off like on
the Smack Dumb before Mania, like.
Speaker 1: Attacked him in a parking lot, but they didn't even
do like he slammed his like hand in a car.
He just like beat him on a parting lot on
Thomas like, yeah, I'm out, I'm out. Yeah, I love,
I just love like the Cinical wrestling fan one of
the constants triple got new toys to play with.
Speaker 4: Really it's because Tom was hurt, but it's just like
we're okay.
Speaker 1: So April eighteenthal was over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, April eighteenth, I'm trying to.
Speaker 3: Find Yeah, I don't I don't think they ever said
what it was, just that he had an undisclosed injury
that may require surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see saying undisclosed amount of time. Yeah, so
who knows.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I wonder like if he comes back, like
like honestly they're delaying it, not like I don't think
first the worriason at first Fly just because he literally
can't come back yet. But I wonder would he be
on just to like do something different, just have him
be like on Jacob's side or something.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think they have Jacob
to his whole lone wolf simone wolf gimmick, and then
he just sees another guy fro him. That's another way
that Solo could fucking keep the title is doing that.
Speaker 3: But no, Tomas gonna rock with his brother that they're
not going to do the dim one separate sides.
Speaker 5: Thinking of them Tongua versus tong aloa match.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, no, trying to find a bunch of
but nothing on the date, so who knows what it is.
It's hopefully not too long for the man. So uh,
they're okayle thinks Nice Chance is a good show.
Speaker 4: That's good for you. I'm glad. I wish it was
a good show.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed not not much, but at least we'll go
to some pause of Cody and Randy.
Speaker 4: That's something I did enjoy.
Speaker 1: That for me was last to night. I'm excited because
there's clearly more meat on the bone there. I really
loved Cody was doing like always the homelander and gimmick
of don't you love Randy Orton? Give him AROUNDO applause
and Randy like Cody, know, like, look at those Randy's
look at them, Randy just like once the killing isn't
Randy great like clatformm So it was. That was great
really chemistry which is unknown. They had a great series matches.
Speaker 5: Do you think they wrestled against each other.
Speaker 1: Especially especially when Cody was doing the like undashing to
like he came back, which was weird because they ended
their feud in a street fight while Cody was Icy Champ.
Randy beat him not the title was not on the line,
and he never wanted the title. That's how low the
Icy title was back then. That Randy like, yeah, I'll
just take a non title match and beat him and
then be like I want a shot. No, uh but no,
this match is good. We got some Randy Orton classic
back selling, so they're set up for more. My only
issue at this match is on SmackDown, they set up
Randy and it plays a little bit in the finish,
so they paid off a little bit. But Randy says, hey,
I'm gonna do whatever it takes to get this win.
Speaker 4: I gotta, you know, win another championship.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, and then they do the match and
that's how Cody wrestles. The match they do, the ending
is okay, Ranny takes a turn buckle and it costs him.
So you think as a character he would realize, oh,
I try to be a bad guy and it screwed
me over. But no, the end result is he's just
Matt Cody, So that doesn't make sense. But like I said,
I I don't think the double turn of Cody and
Seene is happening, but I will say my percentages want
it like just a little bit by the way Cody
was booked here, and that's what we'll see in weeks time.
If that happens, I'll say, oh, there actually was signs
there and I would retroactively change some of the stuff.
But if not, it felt like, uh, you know, I
hate say it, but like a vincism of the story
is this, and it's way of again booking a baby face.
Very odd where Okay, Randy goes down, he's holding his
back first and Cody does take them or against the pole,
the bands of ring post pulls them, the crowds booming him.
It was a very like healoss and they started to
work on the back. It's like the roles were reversed
of where they won. It should have been Cody then saying, hey,
I lost a scene on that was embarrassing. I'm gonna
do anything to beat you. I'm really sorry about this,
But it wasn't. It was Randy mean like I'm gonna
kill you. But then he had problems trying to kill him,
and Cody was like acting. He wasn't acting heal, but
he was doing heel move set stuff and it was
very odd.
Speaker 4: So I did not understand the story they were doing.
So that's why the match wasn't higher.
Speaker 1: But I still did give him like a four out
of five for the athleticism, and I liked the.
Speaker 4: Storytelling and the counters.
Speaker 1: It was. It was good, but I'm excited for when
we get to a real few territory. But yeah, I
just had some disconnect with the story they set us
up with and what happened.
Speaker 4: But very good kind of return match after fourteen years,
my god.
Speaker 3: So yeah, this was a perfect match to kick this
off with because they did do some solid wrestling with this,
and I like and cell of the back injury, like
you believe every little bit of it when he goes,
you know, for picking up somebody like he did the
backbreaker on to Cody and the pain that he was
shown from himself from the impact of the move and
things like that, like it.
Speaker 5: Won't say he hasn't even done that backbreaker in like years,
So he did it just in this match just because Yeah,
so I feel like that's like part of his heel moves. Yes,
he hadn't done it, but yeah, he just did it
just like sell his back hurting. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, it was, like I said, it was a great
way to kick this off and and set the tone
for me.
Speaker 2: It was the match of the p l E.
Speaker 3: And unfortunately that's the bar that you guys sat high
and could not go.
Speaker 4: And they started with it though.
Speaker 1: That's why I think they went there because they start
off hot and then they knew there's a lot of
matches that were going to be if he's all right,
because there was a lot of uh, you know, interesting choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that ending promo by Cody, it it
was kind of hilarious.
Speaker 2: And then it looked like and then's I'll.
Speaker 3: Say the same thing with Jay, Like they had the
crown and they were showing it off. But Cody never
puts it on. He never even comes close to putting
it on, Jade puts it in for a second and
quickly takes it off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, were they not allowed to wear the crownd?
Speaker 5: Well think less. They're the only person who who wore
it was Niet, but she did like the queen gimmick
for like a while, and yeah a trophy.
Speaker 3: Yeah good, But that matches for Gunth like Xavier was
in Selena Vega. They both wore theirs and they they
leaned into it, but that worked for their personas.
Speaker 2: But for both of these it was just like.
Speaker 5: All right, it's like, if you're not gonna do the gimmick,
don't put it on, because I don't think Jade's gonna
do like no queen gimmick. Get going to do the king.
Speaker 1: I thought for once, like I don't know what the
idea is. If Cody's like, all this might make me
look a little silly, it's like you got the neck tattoo, man,
like this crowd's not gonna do anything. And same thing
with Jade, I thought actually would a work, But I
guess you're right with that. Maybe that's the idea at
that point, then it's like just make a fucking trophy.
Then you know, it's just it's weird. It's it's an
awkward thing. They're just like holding everything that which I
will say in the post game interview, Cody's looking fucking massive, right,
like biggest he's been since like eight because when aw started,
he got really big because he was in the heavyweight division.
Cody's like that because New Japan slimmed down a lot
because he got back in shape. But now he's like
he's like, he knows he's win that title Summer Slam,
so he's making those games again. But when he like
held the crowns like Cheeze Louise, but yeah, it was
it's it's.
Speaker 5: The Santo Escobar. If people say like he's like the
most jack and he's ever been, and like rumor is
like he's probably being we can't go from this, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because he's push and that's that's always. It happens the
same the WrestleMania. The same thing as Seth right, like
Seth at Wrestleman and now his abs are like popping
because he knows I'm gonna win the title any week.
Speaker 4: Now that's gonna have.
Speaker 1: It's I gotta look at what you know, Kudos to them,
you got to but yeah, it's just it's a weird thing.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I suppose. What do you think about the
actual match?
Speaker 5: No, yeah, I really enjoyed. I was definitely excited because, yeah,
this is one of those matches like we've always been
talking about, like I want to see it, and yeah,
it didn't happen during Cody's first reign because they were
honestly both faces and they teamed up and stuff, and uh,
but yeah, I really enjoyed this, like you said it was.
It was interesting to see Cody like work the heel
in this match, and I thought it did work very well.
Like some spots were very like when he was working
the back and then he comes in kind of like
yell at Orton and Orton just goes for the arcamoe
right away. Yeah, I love that. That was great, And yeah,
I thought it was a really great match. And yeah,
another spot of like Cody taking advantage to win a
match on like something the opponent did, which is honestly,
like I said, they've been building this. It's gonna Cody's
gonna win with the belt shot on scene.
Speaker 1: But is it a heal way or is it a
payback way?
Speaker 5: I don't know yet. You actually believe the.
Speaker 1: Double turn, Well, let's talk about that. Do you sort
you I supposed to believe the Devil turn is happening.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I will say I think right now,
I'll say no, either way, I think they're gonna do.
I don't think it's gonna be like seeing No where
he wins with the belt up, but he's gonna take
the belt, hit him with it, then do the cross
road yes, and then.
Speaker 1: Win yeah, and seems to be like fair play. I
don't think it's happening because I think that's too soon.
I think people still even in Saudi, when the people
were booing him, it felt because he was doing heelish
stuff and then like he got cheered the whole time.
Even after he won, he got cheered. That felt more like, okay,
we just love Randy Orton here and again it was
weird booking of the match. I will say, I'm hoping
he's doing like forty chess or something. I hated Cody
saying that, oh yeah, I'll probably turn heel the next
couple of years. Hate that, hated, hated. I know it's
a scripted thing, but like just for because when he
came back to me, yeah, I've never turned heel again.
Speaker 4: I've done that for years.
Speaker 1: I'm done with that, like gonna be baby face whatever,
still rock that because then even if the day comes
it like add supid I hate And I know Rock
even said that, like yeah at some point we did.
I was like, that's fucking Dwayne, Like whatever Dwayne is saying,
like I'm not gonna believe that for say, but I hate.
I know it's like in next month we have that
w unscripted show. But I am.
Speaker 5: I think some people the W day unscripting from like
what have been able to gather just from like cause
there's like I've been watching like just different random interviews
with like wrestlers and stuff, and a lot of them
recently mention it like, oh I remember they filmed me
when I was doing this. I feel like it's around
like I think it's like from Survivor series to like
The Rumble or something around that time she got like.
Speaker 4: Four Survivor series.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, because there's like in the trailer, there's
like even a push. It's like like in the in
the trailer, they're just sort of like Triple H talking
to Jayu, so like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and there's
like an interview like Chelsea Green, she said like they
film their whole day or something like when she won
the US title at like Saturday's main events.
Speaker 1: And for me, it's like because I saw a lot
of pushback and it's a push and pull right because
this happens to the press conference because a lot of
people didn't like what Triple H and Rock were doing.
Speaker 4: I wasn't completely on bar.
Speaker 1: I think people are being too hard of like, oh,
they're like it's just still a scripted show. The breaking
character too much. It's like, yeah, people know what it is.
But for me, it's just more so that stuff of
like literally kind of saying like yeah, because I've got
a boot a couple of times, I'm probably gonna turn
here like I wish just hold and Cody usually does.
That's why I'm hoping it's a Cody lie, Like That's
what I'm hoping it is Lie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I just feel like that's a very odd
thing for Cody say.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if they're just in that mode like yeah, whatever,
like everyone just fucking knows it's fully scripted.
Speaker 4: Let's just lean into it.
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing where it's I do think they've
maybe done it too much. But the thing with the
unscripted show is they follow them, but you know, thing's
gonna be still like edited to hell. They're never gonna
admit like, yeah, we did release our truth and like
like like you know, it's gonna be a WWE dot
but I'm still excited to watch it. For us to
talk about.
Speaker 5: It, I was gonna say, I was hoping we would
like be able to review it. But it comes out
on like like I don't know what the release schedule is. No,
it's like it's like, oh yeah, something like that, but
it's like it's like the week of Summer Slammer.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which makes sense right because it's like something
like that. So well, yeah, one gimmick we'll talk about
for sure and stuff. But David double Turn, is it
happened at summertime? Before we move on?
Speaker 3: I don't think it's happening. I think this is a
Cody lie. I think this is a build up to
to have that moment in the match and you're like, oh, oh,
this is gonna be the double Turn, this is gonna
be it, and then it never happens.
Speaker 1: And then this is a tough thing to spring, you guys,
we're so far away. Do you guys have a vibe
of who Cody's VERSEU in WrestleMania, because I don't anymore.
I always wonder at the Punk thing, but I don't
know if they're gonna go that route.
Speaker 5: It's like like like Punk turns heelong Cody like sometime
like around Rumble time or something like that, and that's
like that could be a medium match. Other options like
you know Roman three feet run it back. Yeah, they're
gonna do a point who can you get from from aw?
You know you can do Jericho get its win over
Jericho a Mania.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it doesn't happen, if they're trying to
book the biggest match. I still think the other one's different,
but stone cold yes, yes, I don't know why because
because I think we I think I'm so torn because
I still think we most of us think that Sammy's
winning the Rumble, but I still don't know why I
had him. I don't know why. I'm just thinking they're
gonna do Roman and Seth. I don't know why. I
just because I just don't.
Speaker 5: Know Roman and Seth. That can be. That'll be for
the w W title Roman's like, I'm not touching the
world heavyweight title and Sammy wins. Yeah, right, he goes
through the world heavyweight title.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, then that's not happening, because you're right,
Roman's not. Even though Roman did in k they look
at that title when they introduced it once, he gave
it like the ones over when he was doing like
the belt collector thing.
Speaker 5: So looked like the Undertaker looking at a Bobby Lash.
Speaker 1: Yeah alright, so we tell the one king of the ring,
will tell the Queen of the ring, Jay versus Oscar,
You know what, better than I thought it was gonna be.
I was very worried because Oscar's only had a couple
match back from injury. Jade, you never know what you're
gonna get, and I feel like recently she's been on
a not good run, Like I feel like that match
with her in Roxanne was not great and that was
not Rock Sane's fault. But Oscar was looking crisp, she
was looking good, she was looking fast, like good for
her with all the injury time, because I never she.
Speaker 5: Had really good like the Alexa Bliss SmackDown, Yeah, really good.
Speaker 4: I gotta still check that out. Yeah, and that thing.
Speaker 1: You never know because sometimes he'll come back from injuries
and it's like it's not that they're washed, it's just like, Okay,
they got to wrestle a different way because.
Speaker 4: Their body doesn't work like that now.
Speaker 1: But no, she that was a carried job and Jade,
I'm happy because I said I picked. I said, if
it's gonna be it's gonna be Rea. It's not gonna
be Rea from the other Band's gonna be Jade. And
I still think I'm going with happening. She's gonna beat
Tiffany or they're gonna do Naomi does the triple threat
cash and either way, Jade is about doin the title
or is gonna win the title and Naomi's winning that
thing at Summer Slam, and it might even be a
short run, it might be a two month or Jade
gets it back. I hope they'd somehow make Jade turn
heel because I think audiences are stern too, and I
think j just naturally works better. I know she cut
that like even through the booze, like believe in yourself.
It's like, no, like I want aw on that bitch
on that like I want that Jade that's the Jade
that like pop because anytime like that's what happens when
you're a babyface and you're waiting for spots as a heel.
You can mouth off the crowd, you can do stuff
as a babyface. Just feels like she's like a little
loss at time. So this was better than I thought.
Still like just like a three out of five for me.
But uh yeah, Jade is just since wrestling me and
I feel like it's been very iffy. But at least
it's SummerSlam. I remember it was last year when her
and Tiffany had that match. It was like a good
match until I think like nine.
Speaker 5: It was the SmackDown after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that was a good one and Tiffany's really
and so my hope is that they can recapture that.
I'm not saying throw the bay of a bathwater thing
and not like to me, not to be mean, but
it's not on the show. But like Zelena's run, that
was like a you can't be champion in for a
while to you like prove yourself, because that was like
that was rough.
Speaker 5: It's like Zealina never got a you never stood tall
over Julia and any other their segments and Julia's promo
video about winning the title was like, it's like I
don't even want the title. You just don't deserve it.
That was like in their in their video package.
Speaker 1: And just beat her. Yeah, and that's right, And that
to me was there's just too many times of Okay,
you weren't ready for this, and Jade, for me, it's
like that's what's tough because you you.
Speaker 4: Can you see flashes.
Speaker 1: She's never gonna be fucking Rhea Ripley or Becky Lynch
or lyar in there, but like you see flashes of
like the star or the good match.
Speaker 4: But then she I have like a couple of months.
Speaker 1: So I think SummerSlam is really to me the like
that is the prove it. That's the you know, win
or go home situation where it's like, are you gonna
be a top girl or are you gonna be someone
that's just like a good mid carter and do what
David said, We're just give her the US title, icy
title in the future, just have her be there because
some people are that some people can't be the top person.
I think SummerSlam is the real task because right now
I would say, no, you're an upper mid card r.
I don't think she can be a main person, but look.
Speaker 5: I have to find this tweet. I saw someone, oh,
interrumby there, but I saw someone, oh, that's a tweet.
It was like pretty much saying like, the only people
who are gonna get like who are like fully trusted
by by triple H. I have to find the or
like in the women's division. And I remember I saw
the listener. It's like, I feel like all these people
are gonna get like a mid card title run within
like the next eighteen months, just to show these titles
are like, I have to find the list right now,
and I can.
Speaker 3: I agree that Jade should probably stay mid card. Her promost,
especially that promo that she cut at the end, that
babyface promo, it's not her. It sounded so forced. It
sounded so I have to hit these bullet points. Yeah,
I want you to come out and be like, how
do you feel about the win? I'm that bitch, grab
your crown, adorn yourself and walk out like be that
version of Jade. I don't need you cutting inspirational promos.
I need you to be the baddest bitch in the
yard and go and give the big boot and take
someone's head off, win a match, and call it a day.
So if that's the version of Jade that they're trying
to force on us, I don't think it's gonna work.
Let her be aewj Let her keep that version of
the presentation because that's what works for her. Give her
Women's US title or something like that, or Women's Intercontinental
title and just let her run with that. But there
she doesn't need to be the top champ and that's okay.
Let her have that long run, let her go on
an Oscar and Goldberg guest run in the mid card
and that be okay.
Speaker 1: Unless you're and Tiffany just tear it up at some
or some because that happens. Then it will be kind
of like, well, sometimes when the lights are on big,
she can like pull it out. And I remember she
did that. Aw cannot remember the person. Maybe it was
Julia Hart before she was bad, but there's somebody who's
a pay per view where it was like eight minutes,
but it was like.
Speaker 5: I think about like Julia Hart before she was evil
in a character.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, Julie Hart's always a getting there. But
there was some match where it was like eight minutes.
Speaker 4: On the pay review up to find it. Maybe for
some of some context.
Speaker 1: It was just it was a killer, no thriller, like thriller,
no killer, like they just destroyed, and it was like okay, yeh, Jade,
That's what I was saying to Jade was like improving, improving,
so like she can do that, and Tiffany's the person,
so uh yeah, well we'll see what happens SummerSlam.
Speaker 4: Time you any more thoughts on that one?
Speaker 5: Uh no, yeah, I found the tweet. This is just
like a speculation tweetment, like someone talking about like the
Vets that like Triple's just kind of lets them do
like whatever they want for like their creative and yeah
it's a Bailey, Becky Charlotte like Naomi now Osca and
then just maybe Alexas.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, because I said and.
Speaker 5: Then I respond to that and said, like I feel
like all those are gonna get like a mid card
title run, either title of the women's titles within the
next like eighteen months.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only one I put ranked last or not
on that list is Bailey because she still got bumped
for fucking resclating match.
Speaker 4: You know, like if you had that much creat.
Speaker 5: Like for Veccio, Yeah, Becky and.
Speaker 1: Charlotte, which like say, like there's another person like I
don't I don't know what's going on there. I feel like,
don't get me wrong, I feel like that pro and
the Tiffany thing maybe.
Speaker 4: On that triple h ranking hurt her a little bit
because she has been directionless since the Tiffany thing.
Speaker 1: She's been around, of course, but just felt like she's
like a little few notches more than Jimmy oosso R.
Now she's on SmackDown, they keep doing some weird like
what the fuck are her and Alexa talking about? Like
they keep eyeing each other like what, like what they're
gonna do here?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: They need to find some for Charlotte stat or if
they just have lost some faith in her. I don't know,
but they're not treating her like a When she came back,
it was like, oh, top talent, s tier, she's in
this echelon. She's just like another wrestler right now, which
is like kind of odd. But and then finally Sammy's
ain versus carrying cross Segast Missiro was actually hurt. So
that did happen? Uh, we got this match a very
interesting situation carrying Cross right now, where you know, whatever
you think about the guy, he is over he gets
pops there.
Speaker 5: He hasn't even a video of him like on the
streets of Instaddie, like the least son al guy just
walk in the streets with the people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for some reason people have like a very
love him. My hand, I'm very much mixed on Cross
where like I think that he does have a good
presence and it's tough to tell somebody like you should
be maybe a manager because honestly, you know, Adam Cole
got told that and ran the fucked aw. But like it,
Like I think he has talent. It's just a question
of where my pitch also was seeing it last night
where I said this in our discord, he just wrestles
at a rate where if you're to tell me he's
nursing an injury, be like, oh, that's why he's Like
even when he ran like he had Sam in the
corner set the finish right, and when he was doing
the corner corner man, he was moving slow like he
was moving like this is an exaggeration, but when people
talk about ton Hashi's knees, he was moving like that,
and it's like, I don't think that's the way you're
Karen Crosses. My thing is what they should do with him,
even though the whyots, there's another thing. Triple H definitely
botched the Wyitts. That's a nothing act. Now, I think
they should get cross in a tag team and make
him a poplar tag guy where he can tag in
and out. Give him something that's a really good worker,
not Carmelo Hayes. Don't listen to me, Triple As don't
do fucking stuff like that. But some of that is like, yeah,
they have no personality unlike Carmelo, but it's like they're
a good worker, like a RVD Cane tag team Lucosaurus
Jack Perry, like he's the big guy and get a
small little guy with him that's popular that has no personality. Yeah,
I'm trying to think of something not a luchador, but
I'm trying to think.
Speaker 5: Of something that no personality. Yeah, and even I get
your point, I'm trying to think like who I would
even do as well.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think like even with no personality, that's
like Jack par RVD where they had like personality but
like they couldn't cut like an All Star promo, right,
like someone like that where Okay, people like them, but
I think cross they should keep them because that's an
interesting thing that apparently these contracts up in a month
and he doesn't a new deal and they haven't talked
to him about it, And that was the joke yesterday
that like yesterday was his like his try like should
we sign them again?
Speaker 4: And if it's just based on ringwork, then no.
Speaker 1: There are probably twenty guys in the PC that probably
could have had a better match with Sammy's saying like, I.
Speaker 5: Feel like like Jasper Troy, the LFG winner, would have
had a better Yeah, just from like the two matches
I've seen on on n Next Team.
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, if you got a
guy who's gonna pop and sell merch, do you get
rid of him? It's like no, like you find something
for him, Deuce, that's my pitches. Get a tag team
with them and get them as a hot tag team
and see if that works.
Speaker 4: Then it doesn't. But as a singles guy.
Speaker 1: He can't even holding Ice as a team little wick.
I'm gonna pull the roster and think. But I thought
the match was like a fine like two point seven
five like not to like it was like a house show,
but Sammy again carried that to make it not an
absolute thing. But what is your flat David on the match?
And also just like what do you do with Karen
Cross as of right now? Unsigned expires in a month?
You know, like and don't be wrong on the endies
you'll like do well as far as like some signings
like Cardona and stuff does well, Like I think you'll
do fine, But I just for w B, do you
let go of somebody that's like, yeah, moving merchgain pops?
So what do you think about the imagine the situation.
Speaker 3: I think that the only reason that he is still
here is because after that promo, his merch sales went
through the roof. You take that out and I don't
see a highlight to him right now.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that you can't retool it.
Speaker 3: And figure out a way, but I don't see a
way that you can make this a highlight right now.
Speaker 2: And I just skim through the roster. I don't see
anyone that.
Speaker 3: You could put him with either to where he could
just be in that manager overseeer role. Maybe bring in
one of the LFG people or promote someone from NX.
You bring over one of your evolved guys, like use
one of your other avenues. But there's no one currently
on the main roster where I'm like, okay, they need
to be paired together because he could be the voice
of this person, like everyone is already standing on their own.
There's there's no one that I could see doing that with.
So I don't know where you go from here. This
match was I mean, I figured the outcome. It was
a slower paced match than I assumed it would be.
And with everything going around the internet right now about
carrying cross doesn't bump, I think this would have been
a perfect time to really.
Speaker 1: Yesterday he did bad bump for everybody that he was
seeing blue thunder bombs and stuff.
Speaker 3: He was he was taking some moves, but again, I
think this would have been a good time to just
like have a really good match, and this just was
not a really good match.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you can do that though, that
that's the weird.
Speaker 1: That sounds weird, but maybe that's that's not in his
wheelhouse to have like a three point seventy five and up,
you know, And.
Speaker 3: If that's the case, then this isn't where you need
to be on the card pls or not for you.
You need to be you need to be doing some
stuff on WRAW.
Speaker 1: We don't see a triple threat TLC tag match you
know where yeah, a bunch of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like unless we are doing a rumble spot or
something where we need a bunch of guys in there,
a multiman tag something like that. This just isn't the
spot for you. Like, yes, you can cut a promo,
you have. Your character is a great character. It's just
it's not hitting. And so because of that, this fell
flat because I wasn't invested at all outside of Sammy's
entrance and celebration at the end, I could care less.
Speaker 1: My only pitcher I think Davey Ray. I looked at
the roster. I was seeing nobody. So if I went,
if I had to pick someone from the roster, who
I picked, this doesn't fit because this person would be.
Speaker 4: Older than I'd want.
Speaker 1: I want to be someone younger. But the only person
I could think it was Andrade Is and.
Speaker 3: I thought the exact same thing. I was like, he
could he could be the mouthpiece for Androde and you.
Speaker 4: And I can fucking work.
Speaker 1: He can work, you can all you gotta be is Hey, Karen,
work on that hot tag, work on your hot tag,
come and do some big power throws, you know. And
even because that's the thing where Androtie is not like
a smaller guy, like he's not he's Jack, So that's
where he doesn't really fit.
Speaker 4: So I think it would have to be someone newer.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to fucking latch Javon Evans to Karen
Cross like I don't want I don't want that. Maybe
like Miles Born or something like I don't know, like
someone and that could be it, Like that's where I
think there could be. You gotta find somebody because the
Lutators they just all put them together.
Speaker 4: That was my only thing was that, you know, not
awesome theory, because.
Speaker 3: Look, we can have an evil version of the Androide
family office for me.
Speaker 4: Exactly do that? Do that?
Speaker 1: And I was even trying to think of like an
a w like cast off, like someone coming over.
Speaker 5: So it action andret.
Speaker 1: Andretti, Oh god, yeah, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the.
Speaker 5: Action Andretti water drinking gammig shortly top tier gimmick. We're
only did was just drink water fast.
Speaker 1: Well on that, but what are your thoughts on the
match in the cross situation do you think I actually,
if you did answer, do you think yes or no?
Is he with w WE in six months from now?
Is he resigned.
Speaker 3: If his merch stays the same, yes, if not now,
I'm leaning yes for now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think for much as I don't
like him, I do think they're they're probably gonna keep
them just because of like the reaction he's gotta. I
agree with you, like, I think they probably find something
for him to do for a bit, yeah, or something like.
Speaker 4: To learn the back bumps.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that would be like he could do
like a like an O, you know, he can carry
him to a through a good match. But uh, yeah,
I feel like he's probably gonna stay around and they
probably give him something to do. I agree, even if
it's just like the same stuff where he'll just do
like backstage segments for three months and then have one
match and then that's really how you keep him on TV. Yeah,
but yeah, that's just match. I thought it was just
like fine, I guess. I mean it's like if Sammy
has good matches with everyone, so yeah, and even yeah,
he did all the spots and like, I like the finish.
I could see where it was going for like the
first time he did the hit in the corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know why you could because it takes
so long for camacross court to think if he was quicker,
you might.
Speaker 4: Not put together. But because he does three runs and he's.
Speaker 5: Like, well, I mean yeah, and he was talking like
in between each twenty he's like, oh, I hate you
saying or whatever. So but yeah, no, it was fine,
I guess. And it wasn't like I don't even know
how long it was. There's probably like ten ish minutes
or something like that. Yeah, I think the shortest match
was off gun Jade. I think I saw it was
like eight minutes and yeah, and Cody and Orton was
like it was like nineteen minutes fifty nine seconds or
something like that, like just under twenty minutes. Okay, Yeah,
but as first match, it was just fine.
Speaker 1: Again. Yeah, and we kind up about at the beginning,
but is there anything we're add on?
Speaker 4: Reea Mkael I liked. I thought it was very fun match.
Speaker 1: To me, it was like, I solid, like three point
twenty five, good street fight. We didn't talk about it
on the podcast Sucks about the Live injury that it's
like longer.
Speaker 4: I do hope that they I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what they're doing in this situation, but I
hope they give the other Taketile Rocks and so Lift
can come back again. I've been fancy booking this for
a while. I want Rheion Live versus Rock Sand and
like the merch that Rhea and Live can sell together
would be through the roof and you can do the
whole sexual tension. You can have them beat up down together, like,
there's so much stuff you can do with the RIA
and Live. It's a little sooner than I would have thought,
but hey, the injuries changed thing. But no, I thought
this was a fun match, and I liked the whole
Roxanne angle. And we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I thought it was a good, solid match.
Speaker 3: The spot, the spot with the top of the announced
table that was over in the timekeepers.
Speaker 2: Area, that was fun.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did have some hard hitting moments, but on
that yet it was.
Speaker 2: It's a good match, but.
Speaker 3: It wasn't anything that I need to see run back
anytime soon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I thought I thought it was
a fun match. I don't know if it like over
delivered for me because I was expecting it to be
pretty good. M h. And yeah, I enjoyed. I thought
they did some creative stuff in there, like I said
on the discord, like putting the table as like kind
of using it as like another floor on the top rope. Yeah,
that was definitely but I thought it was I didn't
know what they were gonna like. She didn't off, but
I thought somehow she was gonna like like lift her
up just like straight down through the table or something like.
I don't know how that.
Speaker 1: Would work, but injured Tag Champions.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I thought it was a good match there.
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say for her to say at
the beginning, but I suppose do you have draft points
for after the Yeah? I do, so I want to know.
Speaker 4: So, man, how do you feel about picking Solo? He's
your genre pick, but you know new us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it bounces out THEO I give myself. I guess
some negative ten.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be dropping him when we come back
on the for Survivor series.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean depends by then he's probably
gonna be a jare again.
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, we're looking at right now.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll start with make sure I think I can here? Yeah, okay,
So I'll start with David. So David is a total
of one hundred and forty eight points. Then Trevis, you
were at three hundred and eighty four points, and then
I am at four hundred and three points.
Speaker 1: Oh man, what happened? I'm trying to think, who is Jay? Us?
Speaker 4: So do I jau? So I think I took yeah?
Speaker 1: Boss right? Yeah, I lost the title, goddamn Jay. At
least it was in a pay per view with stuff.
Speaker 5: But so this week you got, you got Rear Whippley
winning a stipulation match win for bron Breaker. Uh lost
for Jays against Cody Becky Lynch retaining her title, but
then Jacob fat To losing his title on a PLA,
and then yeah, and then this week guy John Cena
retaining his title, Penta losing Punk losing but on a
ple Julia winning Phoenix winning roxand losing, and then twenty
points for a main event of a PLA.
Speaker 3: Goddamn, I think you should lose twenty points just for
uh pented doing this stupid walk instead of the running.
When when you gotta do a save and you stopped
to hold on. I gotta slowly walk to the ring.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess coming up, we're gonna have lots of
points because I was Summer Slim. We got the two
night ers, so that I think Summer Slim is gonna
be a big shift.
Speaker 4: But uh, there go.
Speaker 1: Our draft rankings are the exact same as our gm
ode rankings. We'll see, you know, see what happens there.
But uh yeah, we got some quick predictions because all
In didn't add too many matches or three new matches
they added.
Speaker 4: We talked about Sara's main event. We only got one
match in Bash. We only have two, so we'll start
with Surayway's main event.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ask you who's gonna win, because they're
gonna asume we're all saying gun there. I'm gonna ask
you how long it's gonna go. I'm gonna say it's
gonna go and only.
Speaker 5: Within one commercial break. I don't think there'll be any
adds in this match.
Speaker 1: No, So that's why I'm saying it's gonna go no
longer than seven minutes, bell to bell, not counting interest
and stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say no longer than seven minutes. That's my prediction.
And yeah, good, they're going over.
Speaker 3: You're you're you're going better than me. I've got this
at about four and a half minutes, bell.
Speaker 1: To bell minutes. Okay, I suppose what you think?
Speaker 4: I say, do you want to put some draft points?
Speaker 1: Like a ten put?
Speaker 2: I was just thinking that.
Speaker 4: Okay, then I'll be specific.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's gonna be six because you said
four and a half. Dude, I'm gonna say, yeah, four
and a half. I'm gonna say six and a half.
So six thirty is my match time. I'll say, we
won't do prices, right, We'll just do whoever's closest. We're
not doing whoever's over and stuff. So four and a
half six and a half what you're doing mass bobs.
Speaker 2: I mean went nineteen minutes against Triple H.
Speaker 1: So there's all the seconds, go over runs into a
chop and then boom over just pins them.
Speaker 5: I'll go between both. I'll go five and a half.
Speaker 1: Five and a half. Oay, So there you go, ten points,
ten draft points on the line for the gold their match.
Speaker 4: That's all we know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, because I think they're gonna sell on that.
Speaker 4: I do think seeing their marketing is Goldbergs last match.
Speaker 1: That's smart. I don't think it's gonna be a big
crowd show. You'll get some icy stuff, US stuff whatever.
I could see if they are putting the USOS back together,
because people talked about that with this draft maybe coming up.
I could see that also being a show where you
do that. I don't think any SCENEA or Cody they
did that last time.
Speaker 3: Uh no that if anything that they'll have like a
segment or a contract signing or something, I don't think
they will. They're not gonna wrestle.
Speaker 1: No, I don't even think they'll do that because I
feel like they want to use Goldberg's or something thing
and then Goldberg's gone. See you canna do like a
different Saturday Night's main event, And I'll just say a
match with a stipulation, because I feel like almost every
there's a steal, there's a like Rein Naiyah did a
street fight, Damien and Drew did a cage match. Every
stay May event has some sort of weapons match. Maybe
that's where I still think at summertime, but maybe that's
where you could do a Jacob and Solo tribal combat
thing there, right, Like I think you'll get a stip
match some other stuff. But I think that's the you'll
get one other, bigger one. Evenough last time they did
load the card up a lot. I didn't think the
show was that good, but they loaded the card up
a lot.
Speaker 4: But they should. They should not make it a one
Matt show for TV. They should make some fun stuff
on there. So we'll see. Uh so we got that.
Speaker 1: Let's see trenis Hyan's dc A line so that I
can't believe we're doing goldbergain. Hey, it's the last time
unless did you hear this on colmitiir last night? Cole said,
unless he wins, scary scary thing the throne there, it's
not even even let's say it was the nightmare fuel
of Goldberg wins and he's like, I'm retiring with the belt.
Apparently if he wins, he's still around. But no, there's
no When he's talking about his training, he's getting injured
in training.
Speaker 4: There's no way.
Speaker 5: But I looking at the match times for gold it's
like most.
Speaker 1: Of the news run matches.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the longest one since like the longest one since
twenty nineteen is eleven minutes.
Speaker 4: Was that, Bobby?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew it day we were talking before before,
I'm like, I remember he had well because the thing
with that was like Bobby, didn't he like attack his
son or something like it.
Speaker 5: Says it's a it's a no holds barred Paul's count anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened was the hurt business I think was
interfering and like Goldberg's son jumped the barricade, they beat
him up, and then I can oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can read you the times because the the
other longest one, I guess in his whole return run,
the longest one is that one is the lastly one
all the Owen says. Goldberg defeats Brock Survivor Series one minute,
twenty five seconds. Goldberg defeats Kevin Owens twenty two seconds.
Lessner defeats Goldberg four minutes forty five. Undertaker defeats Goldberg
eight minutes thirty five seconds. Goldberg defeats Dolphins Tigler one
minute fifty seconds. Goldberg defeats the Fiend two minutes fifty
nine seconds.
Speaker 1: Tony hated that there's so many of these I just hate,
like Owens, Lesner, and Fiend. It's just three in a
row where it's like these are terrible. Like that was
Lesler coming off the streak. That was Kevin Owens on
his first title win, when Vince told him and Jericho, hey,
you guys are wrestling for the Telmania and then they're like, actually, no,
Goldberg is and the feed one awful.
Speaker 5: Then after that you have Bronz Stroman it beats Goldberg
two minutes thirteen seconds.
Speaker 1: Which was supposed to actually be him in Roman, That's
what it was supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Then Drew McIntyre defeats Goldberg two minutes thirty two seconds,
Lastly defeats Goldberg by referee decisions seven minutes ten seconds.
Speaker 4: For decision in a seven minute match.
Speaker 5: Then Goldberg defeats Lashly like I said, eleven minutes twenty
five seconds. And then Roman Reigns defeats Goldberg by referee
decisions six minutes.
Speaker 1: God damn. Yeah. So the only reason I went higher
is because it's his last one, so we'll see. But
then you got uh great American Bash who is oba?
I thought they announced who he's first sing for that
it's still in the taped one, I think, right, that's.
Speaker 5: All the tape. I can't say sports if you don't care,
but yeah, it's supposed to be him versus Yoshiki and
mura Oka. He's like the Noah guy and he's really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that, so I'm sure it'll be a
good match. I like watching Ova, like I think they
I think Alba's time to after maybe get him up
in the roster. Just feel like he's just kind of
chilling there. Just feel like who we got this month?
Here you go, who we got this month? Like get
up Javon to do the underdog victory thing.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think OVA's losing to the Noah guy.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's happened.
Speaker 5: And then the other announced match or like on the
tapings would be, yeah, it's Von Henley and j C.
Jane versus Jordan Grace and Blake Monroe.
Speaker 1: Which we didn't talk about because we like I as
we talk about here at Evolution is officially j C.
Jane versus Jordan Grace. They're doing an angsty title match there.
Jordan needs like legitimately needs to win this one. It's
like Jay j so before when he kept like she
needs to win this And my hope is whin they.
Speaker 5: Get I'll give you points that if she wins, it's
on a on a pl show.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I should get points.
Speaker 1: She is. I'm so I want her to lose to
be on my roster. Wasted pick for me. Those fucking
p w I screwed me over. I'm never doing that again.
But my hope with this match is obviously I think
Blake and Jordan at the win. My hope is that
they they're not do a Tony storm, but they make
Blake and Jordan friends, you know, quotations, and Blake turns
on Jordan and we get you know, old school heal marine.
I think that's what they're doing by pairing them together
right away, is they're gonna stablish oh they're friendly, and
then Blake will turn at some point. But yeah, Jordan
has to win Evolution. I think they win at the bash.
I think they'd be very odd unless there's like a
cheap victory, but I think they're gonna win there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that could maybe be. I could see them losing, Yeah,
if it's like oh they got like like yeah, it's
like outnumbered and it's like, oh even though those two
of them, like Kyle short A gonna do it tomorrow.
Like if she couldn't win and at tag team or something. Yeah, yeah, David,
but yeah, I do feel Jordan winds that Lusha for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have any thoughts on nexty women see right.
Speaker 3: Now, Uh, this is if you're gonna do. If you're
gonna keep Jordan down there, this is the time to
strap her up, make her the big monster of there.
If not, then move her to the main roster. Like,
if not, you're just circling the drain with her, and
then she's gonna start losing credibility and then by the
time she does get to the main roster, it's just
gonna be another person there. So hopefully this this is
the time when they really do something with that. I'm
excited for the evolution pay for you as a whole,
because I think in each of these matches we're going
to have some great matches for this all women's period
for view, Like when you look at this card and
these matchups that they can put on there, I'm all
for it. So make your strongest person you're champion, and
then rocket ship that. And that's not just because keeping
her in the next tea keeps points away from you.
Speaker 5: I'll say there's a few rumored evolution matches I just saw.
Speaker 1: I will say before you say those rumored matches, if
they give us Ria Ripley and Nicky Bella versus Rocks
and and Miquel, you're gonna.
Speaker 4: Okay, You're like, you cannot use Ripley.
Speaker 1: Who is the biggest.
Speaker 5: Wrestling says the rumored one is EO and Rhea as one.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and I'm sorry everybody is leaving that.
Speaker 1: I'm with everybody. Where the fuck is the O beIN?
She just keeps backstage? Oh, Nicky Bella, you're the best.
What I'm not gonna get on that rant of this
whole revisionist history. They're in the Bells there podcast, Like
there's a lot of stuff you don't know, all right, Yeah,
there's a lot of other stuff we don't know. You
want to talk about what you're doing backstage, Like, I
just don't like the politics and the stuff there. It's
like we all fucking know. It was aj Lee and
then it was the four Horror swimming that next to
you with Triple Ah, Like you guys were just anybody
could have been in that spot. But okay, so yeah,
Ri and Io, which will be fantastic, but I think
and then he is getting that title back, and then.
Speaker 5: The other one is is Rock Sanne and Raquel defending
their titles in a triple threat tag team match, and
says the other two teams are are unknown at this point.
Speaker 1: It is weird. I will say this in the Bells defense,
So if they're there, if they're not lying and they shoot,
hevn't asked Bribell to come back, very odd, Like I
know the idea of it, well, you know, Brian's who
fucking cares? Like if it's who cares if Brian's gonna
be bresting anything? Like does anyone who Like I just
don't understand the idea of like people don't say associate
the Bells at all? Who cares? She was what at
the ending of all into how Brian's like, oh you
be trying. That's if they do that. If that is
a legitiming, that is a very vincism, like oh you're
messing with you're in another company. It's like, just get
the Bells in there, throw them the triple threat tag.
Speaker 4: I'm fine with that.
Speaker 5: I still don't love it, but like who the other
team would because I'll say they've been doing this like.
Speaker 1: That, Like the first evolution, they had a match where
it was Trician Lena versus I think Bailey and Sasha, right, David,
I think that's what happened, gives Trician Leda versus two
new people, And that's what I bet they do is
like a Trish Bailey, like if Beth was around, it'd
be like.
Speaker 5: Like what I'm saying, if it's like if it's because
it says it's a triple threat tag match, So I
guess like would one of them, like what are the
teams like that they'd be defending against?
Speaker 1: So I would say Bella's as one, so bring Nikki,
And then my other thing would be like another Legends team,
So I don't think it would be Trician Leeda, but
another like that where it's Michelle mc fuck get la cool,
like that sort of thing where it's.
Speaker 5: Like they've been building this thing on like because they've
been like Nick all this and Adam Pierce like they've
been calling each other on Ron's back down and saying like,
well we need to do something about these these tag
team titles. It's like, yeah, we'll get it figured out.
So I feel like it's gonna be some actual people
from like not allegend team ass the third team.
Speaker 3: I don't think it was trist Tretis and Leada defeating
Mickey James and Alicia Fox.
Speaker 1: What the fuck? Oh, because this is what I remember.
Speaker 3: Okay defeated Dakota Kai for the n XT UK Women's Championship.
Uh Jack's won a twenty woman battle Royal Tony Storm
defeated Eo.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and that was for the twenty team.
Speaker 3: May Young, Sasha Banks, Bailey and Italia defeated the Riot
Squad in the six Women's Shana Basler defeated Kyrie Sane
for the n XT Women's Championship. Becky lunch To defeated
Charlotte Flair in the last women's Standing match with the
smack at that like this week.
Speaker 1: It's a five star, It's good. That was the escension of.
Speaker 3: And then yea, Ronda Rousey defeats Nicky Bella who had
Rebella in her corner for the Raw Women's Championship.
Speaker 1: That was not a good pay per view. That's like
I hate, like I get it the Mainion Classic and
then but it's like to have Sasha and Bailey and
a six women, but I remember what they did is
they they didn't end up doing it. They teased Trisha
and Alexa first and.
Speaker 5: Then they got injured.
Speaker 1: That's okay, yeah, okay, that's what it was. Same kind
of same thing would live happening here. So uh yeah,
was there any more matches that rumored to.
Speaker 5: No, those are the only ones I saw, and those
are from like, uh like Corey Hayes.
Speaker 1: Would you guys agree with me that Rhea is going
over then if it's Hernio, yeah, I'd.
Speaker 5: Say, uh, I don't know. I'm still kind of torn.
Speaker 3: I just unless unless there's something and she's unless you're
sentence up then big up for Rhea to face someone
else like and it's it's gotta be big.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say it depends like what the plans are
for like Summer Slam, true, even like for Io it
could be like an Oscar Summer Slam. But then for Riha,
I don't know who she would really face, like right away, it.
Speaker 1: Could be Bionca because they want to do that evolution right,
but they said like her prognosis like she's gonna just
miss it.
Speaker 5: Like maybe be back for summer Slam.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so yeah, we'll see, well evolution that will
be a fun showing, so we'll cover that, will figure
that out and then all in. Right now, we talked
about the main three before. The only thing I want
to ask you guys some Mercedes and Tony. Where are
you guys on that for because this will be our
final prediction. I'm still saying Mercedes. But I see so
many people that out Tony has to win this. I'm like,
I think you guys gotta buckle up. I think I've
said this before that Willow is the person that's getting
the big win on Mercedes. In my opinion, Tony can
lose and be fine. Like I'm still thinking Mona. I
know people like she might lose the title to Mena
this week. It's like I don't know about that. Like
I'm saying it's gonna be money. That's my final prediction
right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Monette as well. And I
think that only because my prediction for the men's match, Like,
I don't think you have both Tony and Hangman walking
away with championships at the end of this, and I
have a feeling that Kenny may also win like that one.
I'm kind of fifty to fifty one.
Speaker 1: But really, if you're fifty fifty on Kenny o'connaugh. I
think Kenny, like that's a clean one hundred percent for me.
He has taken that.
Speaker 3: It depends on if they It depends on if they
decide to do more shenanigans with Oconna. If it's just
a straight up them versus them, give the internet fans
what they want, then yes, Kenny Omega takes it. If
he just let them have a them type match, then
hell yes Kenny takes it. But if you decide to
do all these shenanigans, then I'm not sure where we go,
but mismatch, I think Monette's winning it. I think you're
gonna have continued all those shots of her just draped
up with all the belts, and it's it's badass whenever
you see her, and it's great when you see her
going to other promotions and you've got the aw Women's
Championship prominently displayed and then she's holding all these other belts,
like that's that's monumental for them.
Speaker 1: She's got the pedigree right now of like having some
of the best women's matches in the world right now.
It's not like last year where the aw start was
like Okay, she was on bad matches, but it was
definitely not of like Mercedes aka Sasha Old. Obviously the
Baker thing happened so like it was that first year
airw was rough. But now I feel like she's locked
into like NXT Sasha, like she's even better than that,
I'd say right now, and that's where it's like she
could have.
Speaker 4: I just feel yeah, I just I don't know. I
just don't think that it's gonna I don't see Tony winning.
Speaker 1: But where are you, s bubs?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm on the same page of Mercedes winning it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and then so four I'll we talked about that.
I've said this before Broken Record, Ocada and Kenny think
it's a bad idea. I don't think they're gonna live
up to hype, and I think a lot of people
are gonna be disappointed. Who knows, I will say, though
they can always surprise or work a different style of match,
which I hope they do. Absolutely hated. We only talk
about in the discord, not live in the air. Hated, hated, hate,
the Don Kallas stuff that is like the bloodline for
aw fucking drop it already We've been through. Kenny and Osprey.
We did the Kenny and Jericho thing for a while.
When Kenny came back, they revisited that it's done, it's over,
It's there's I hate every It's just like every six months,
Don Klis gets a new guy and it just feels
like he has dirt on Tony Kahan or something of
Like Ocatta and Omega. You don't need Calous at all.
You got his. You work with New Japan. They're giving
you the fucking video packages. They're two title holders, they're
two legendary guys. Also, Ocada's run right now was very iffy.
But I don't get me wrong. I think O'cada will
turn on. He's not gonna be a occisional Kada on
all in. He's gonna get it.
Speaker 5: I think he's.
Speaker 1: No, he's not turned on because can only turn on
so much, can get to like a seven, like I'll
meet you at five, you know, like that's where he is.
But like he's my My theory is he's like saving
it all up for the Kenny match because he's like
he knows it's he's gonna brock Lestener shooting star break
his neck, like you're gonna see like super saiyan alwind.
Trust me, if it's not, then you'll hear me on
the review. But the Don Cows stuff is not needed.
You still gonna just had Okada beat Kenny with the
bat like it's not need all. And I swear if
because I hate that they do this. I don't mind
Don Cols on commentary. I don't like when he's on
commentary when his guy's there for an important match, when
it's just a Colisi and sure, but if on I
hate that for the Oscar match, if it's O'Connor Omega,
there's like, you know, number five, a legend retch and
he's on the stick over there.
Speaker 4: They have enough commentaries.
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 4: So I hate everything about this.
Speaker 5: Like you're gonna have like six people on contact for
that Yania.
Speaker 1: Show off is gonna be there. But like that's the
thing where I just the Kenny when he came back,
it started as well, he's kind of doing his whole thing.
That's what we wanted. And they've slowly and then maybe
it's Kenny do in this they're slowly regressing to like, oh,
here's donk Kel's, here's a boushie And I love the
Golden lovers. Don't get me wrong, but I don't want
Kenne and up being like a tag guy or having
to carry a boushie, because like he's he's not washed,
but he's not what he used to be. Like, I
feel like it started, everyone's like, yeah, they're gonna give
Kenny the Rome run. Even Kenny was like, oh what
Roman's doing right now? Like I'd like to do something
like that when I get back. And it started with
the new entrance and the pyro and the vibes, but
now we're slowly getting back into that stuff where it's like, no,
this is like we've done I mean kind.
Speaker 5: Of started doing. Like he had the announced match for
Russell Dynasty and they like didn't mention it at all.
It's kind of when like people are like, what's going
on here? Yeah, But when he returned to AW they
had it like the game Kid match announced and they're like,
we have no idea when he's ever gonna be able
to wrestle again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, So because he showed up in an
interrupted O'Connor, right, and that was fine. That's a that's
a beat of his past. I understand. I just I
hope he wins this title, the Cowsling is done, the
Caught of Things done, and these rumors, which I'm fine with.
Speaker 4: I don't like two world titles, but whatever.
Speaker 1: They have so many people this rumor and SRS and
other people have backed up of okay, this, they're gonna
do the Unispute Town. That's gonna be like a main title.
So it's gonna be like w world title. That's fine,
but then you need you need a brand sweat. You
need to say, hey, these are the Collision guys, these
are Dynamite guys. No more of like who's on what show?
You can't have two world titles on one show. W
can because it's separate. You can do it on pay
per view but orl whatever. But like if it's just
like came to yeah, I got another world title here.
It worked when Punk was doing that because the real
AW Champion was like a fun gimmick thing, right, That's fine.
But if they try to say this, oh, this title
is important AW title, then you gotta separate it, Kenny.
You gotta work Saturday is going forward, you know, And
I don't like that because I don't it's hard for
me to watch Collision, but I will if I.
Speaker 4: Know the brands.
Speaker 1: I will feel more invested to watch that show knowing Okay,
Christian's there, ed just say okay on Wednesday's that there?
But like it means nothing if they say it's a
new world title. No, but I'm happy that they're unifying it.
Kenny's gonna win.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I'm leaning towards Kenny just for the
simple fact that this is, you know, a new title
that's gonna come from this, and having him as the
inaugural because we all thought that he was gonna be
the inaugural aw champion. As far as Don Kallis, I
want Don Kallis to go call up his buddy Chris
Jericho and then taking nice long cruise together for the
next six months and just go away. I don't want
to hear you on commentary. I don't want to hear
you at Ringside didn't matches. I'm just he's been so
oversaturated and almost every big storyline. I'm just tired of
seeing him, Like, take him out of this. Kyle Fletcher
can go and he can do some stuff on his own.
He's a great wrestler, Like he can.
Speaker 1: Still cut a decent problemo too. The only person I
will say maybe needs him is Tequesta, but it's like
I think they're gonna turn a babyface. I don't need them.
Speaker 3: Let let just Custa go do his run in the
g one and things like that, like just go go
away for a while and then because right now you
your voice annoys me. And all I can think is
Tony Kahan somewhere is still trading tapes of Cyrus the Virus,
and he's like, I need this guy. I need this
guy on my show. But other than that, or.
Speaker 1: Like I said, if it's a Kenny thing, if he's like, yeah,
I really want Callous involved, and it's like no, that's
like no, brother, that's not happening like that, like enough
of I know he's your friend.
Speaker 4: Him and Abushia.
Speaker 1: In real life, Callous Abi and Kenny are legitimately very close.
But it's like it doesn't matter. You've guys done this enough,
hangout on your weekends, go to spot a restaurant.
Speaker 4: You don't need to be his storylines together anymore, you know.
Speaker 1: But I get to told me, oh, Kenny, you know
EVP top guy. He wants done there, but uh s
pubs Kenny. Last prediction, Okada.
Speaker 5: I think I'll probably go with Kenny. I feel like
they just want him to have it. But despite that,
I do feel like there's gonna be like don callous
interference and he's gonna be like Kenny's gonna get the
heroic win despite like the interference. But yeah, and then
what about fan of callous that's fair.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fight you. I
liked he worked for me when he was in New Japan,
just as the heel commentator. I was completely when he
was not anybody anything like that to me, that's when
he was at his best. I was fine with some
of the early aw stuff, but it's been it's been
too much of it. And then s Bubbs is your king,
John Moxley? Is he retaining bulldog headlock skategoat interference?
Speaker 4: What's happening at all? And this is your final condition?
Speaker 5: No, I don't think he's it's over, Yeah, because I
think I think Brian's coming out and like beating him
up or something. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I think Hangman
is winning it here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Haymen's winning it.
Speaker 1: And all I ask is I hope that Tony has
like some good stuff lined up for Hangmen after the fact,
and it's not like death Writers fall out of O'Brien's Like,
I hope that's still an important thing. Not sure what
they could do, whether it's him in swerve, but yeah,
Hangman's gonna win. I think it's gonna be a fun
moment at a big pop. And yes, you're getting blood
you're getting deaf writers rules, bloodline rules. That's what's happening.
Everyone's running out. David hang Man taking.
Speaker 3: It, Hangman niece to take it like John Moxley. He yes,
reward the guy who has been helping keep you afloat.
He's always stepped up for you. Great, you've rewarded John
Moxley enough time time.
Speaker 2: To give it to Hangman. Like, I get it. You're
being loyal to somebody who is loyal to you.
Speaker 3: Guys stopped having his mental health break because he needed
someone to step up.
Speaker 2: Great, you've rewarded him.
Speaker 3: But this whole death Rider's saying it's become stale. So
still it's time to move on from this. And like,
you can find multiple ways to have this happen, but
at the end of the night, I need a Hangman
walking away with that championship.
Speaker 1: And then these are some other matches that have been
not officially out of it. They're happening Hurts Synekit versus
Knight and Speedball. Hurts Snek is gonna win this, but
I think.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's gonna be made into because on
commentary they're like, oh, there's so many tag teams eyeing these.
I feel like they're gonna make it a multi man
and then they don't. They don't get pinned and looks,
but they don't pin their hEDS in the get.
Speaker 4: That could be it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would like it if Christian and Nick
Wing gone there because that's another guy Nick Christian went
missing for months, or he'd just do one promo backstage.
I'm liking this idea of and I like.
Speaker 5: See the rumor that they've made. They're supposedly already made
father and son titles.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm completely down. Christian to me is a fuck.
He's one of the best in the world for style.
He knows how to work promo and I think there
is money in him Nick Wayne holding.
Speaker 4: Those championships for a while. I hope they get.
Speaker 1: The sneak win kind of funny because he got that
sneak win at all in last year, right when the
Gauntlet Christians.
Speaker 4: So it'd be a funny thing.
Speaker 1: But I like and I like the storyline of I
want my son to not walk behind me but walk
beside like it's it's good, cheesy stuff that I enjoy
and I'm excited to.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I hope you'reright. I suppose it's a multi
manan and they get in there and I think of podcast.
If not, I just love Kevin Knight.
Speaker 1: I'd never seen Kevin Knight match until I I think
it was awest he had won before that. But the
Osprey one, Oh won't White, Yeah, he won't j White
want Osprey And every time he's in there, Man, he's
got good chrisma.
Speaker 4: I love his moves. He is just fun to watch.
Speaker 1: And him and Speedball you have that going for a
bit because I don't think there's any place for Night
where Speedball get the top. But yeah, okay, So I
won't make a prediction yet because if if it's just them,
Hurts Syndicate wins, but if it's a multi man it's
definitely getting okay. Then Hurts Syndicates they're gonna lose in
a non tin way.
Speaker 5: You're right, Yeah, Like I feel like you put in
what's inn like Rouche and uh like the LF file,
like that'll be one of the teams because they like
interacted with the Hurt Syndicate because they like like Lashly
and Shelton like try to like just kind of like
like shove through them and they like no soul of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that starts always an option if as it
stands right right now, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: If it's just to Hurt Syndicate straight up one and
one tag match, then they went family.
Speaker 1: He's no shoe wrestler.
Speaker 4: Guy.
Speaker 3: If Christian and Nick when you're added to this, that
is my pick. I don't care who else is at it.
If Christian and Nick Wayne, I need that in my life.
I need the the first. I can just see Christian
down with the first father and Son aw tag team champions,
just I mean going on and on and on with it,
and that's yeah please.
Speaker 1: And like at the same we've talked about a few.
I think me and I suppose last one so a
little bit. But like I really don't.
Speaker 4: Know if you can.
Speaker 1: I know they want to, and I know there's money there,
but I don't think you can really do Edge and Creer, Like,
I just don't see the line. And I think Christian
was right to pull rank, which again I've said this
before that Tony should have been no your turn, baby face,
and we're getting that money. But like, I do not
think Christian was wrong when he's like, you want to
do this character more because it's working for them. Why
does he want to kill when he's just gonna be.
Speaker 5: Like Christian just took Cope off All in without.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Cope will be the Gallant, that's my prediction.
Speaker 1: Is gonna be a mystery pop he could I only
win it, but like always an option, but yeah, that's
what they Also they announced they announced a men and
women's Gland, which is great. Those are always fun for
the most part, even like a lower tier Gallant is
a good time.
Speaker 5: I think I love the All in one last year
that was like one of my matches of the year,
and he was like the worst one so far is
probably like the tag team. They're like the Tagnans are
like it was like just no, just like the job
of all jobs have a division. It was a Fletcher
and Osprey. It's like the first team. It's like okay,
like these guys are winning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do we think, do you guys have any because
we don't know all the people, do you guys have
any thoughts who men or women could be winners? My
prediction if he's in there, I think Mgf's winning the
men's one, but I think he could versus Mystico. But
I could see them having a Mystico and m Jeff
both in the gatland like I square off there.
Speaker 4: So that's all say.
Speaker 1: If m Jeff is in it, that's my pick because
they have him, that's like a like I don't know
how he'll get back the title. That would make sense
for him to have like a briefcase thing if it's
not on Jeff. I really I really don't know who
it's gonna be. But that's that's my men. Do you
guys have any men candidate candidates for that week?
Speaker 3: M JF was my pick for that as well, Like
I don't I don't know who else you you want
to have in that position?
Speaker 4: The only other person I can't believe I even saying this.
Speaker 1: I actually think Ricochet could get it because we've seen
he's Christian, already lost his cash and right, I could
see Rick Achet being guy that would like lose a
cash and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or bring bring Swerve in and have him when
that and then go on for Moxley that get not
moxy hangman, get that back on track.
Speaker 1: But I think would Swerve do double duty because remember
they announced it's him and Swerve or him and Osbury
versus the Bucks.
Speaker 5: Yes, I I think I think they'd have the double
duty person win again because Christian won that way last year.
Yeah the tag he lost and then won the wood Swerve.
Speaker 3: Dude, double duty, Yes, but I forgot that they did
the exact same thing last year.
Speaker 1: Which again that like we're like weird matches, Like why
they put their EV titles. Why would they just like,
now we'll wrestle you, but we're not gonna put the title,
Like I don't and what do I I hope in
the next few weeks they say, hey, we're doing that.
But if you guys lose, like there needs to be
ospra and swear, yeah, you're fired. You're just on you're
on collision, you know, or like you can't get a
world title shot like something like that, like you can't
get a world time the next few year, like do
the Cody thing. That'd be they should do that, because
they could make an illusion to the Cody storyline where
he couldn't challenge for the world title.
Speaker 5: If they neither of them can challenge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see they're gonna win.
Speaker 3: But I would put more of the If your goal
is to eventually take the EVP titles off the bus,
if you're not going to do it here, but you
want to keep teasing that that's coming, then have it
to where they tell them as long as we're still EVPs,
you don't get it title shot. That gives you some
wiggle room to down the line. Yeah, they could lose,
give them the title shot when it is time. If
you just blanket statements say you'll never get a title
shot a game, that makes it a little bit harder.
And that's the corner that Cody painted himself into. Where
how do you have an out for that? If you
say as long as we're still EVPs you don't have that,
then later on you can find another reason to strip
them of the EVP titles and then give them those
title shots.
Speaker 1: And the Cody thing backfire because he lost and then
for six months he is the most over guy in
the company. But then they gave the TNT title but
then just felt like, oh, they gave him a title
to have like it. Honestly, I got what.
Speaker 4: He even said it was a mistake.
Speaker 1: I understood like not you know, you don't want to
be a booker EVP and have the title. But in
the long run, it actually was a mistake and they
should just had him beat Jericho and hold on to
that for a little while, you know, like and whatnot.
But the only person I thought was Derby. But they're
gonna save Derby's surprise pot for the Death Rids rules match, right, like,
you don't spoil it there, Like he's gonna come out
and help.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, he's got.
Speaker 3: To come out with a flamethrower or something or hit
somebody with a car, Like you're you're not going to
just have him come out and.
Speaker 5: Then come down from the rafters with.
Speaker 1: The sting with bearded sting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like like a box of baseball mats and hand
it out.
Speaker 3: He's coming with one of his with one of his
pick axes from climbing Mount Everest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose you got any other men predictions we
have talked about.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think like Jack Perry, I don't think
he'd be in the Gauntlet. You maybe like J White,
I don't know when he's supposed to be back. Yeah, back,
I could see him in it.
Speaker 4: I could see him in a winning if he's in there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you probably put like a Boushie in there. Yes, yeah,
I wonder also if they would say, like, could this
be like a shot at the unified title as well?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but if they like the world type.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that way you can put like like some other
people who maybe like wouldn't be for like an aw
titles main title shot that you can like have more
of a plausible chance that they could win and change
for the other one.
Speaker 1: No, that's a good one.
Speaker 5: Many other surprises, I don't I don't think so.
Speaker 4: No, unless there's someone we don't like, if there's like a.
Speaker 5: Probably is in this again because like he just wrestles
like every couple of months. Now, I feel like you
put this again?
Speaker 1: What about for the women's side? Obviously who won the
number of christat Lenner won the number one spot. They're
doing some weird she's part of the Deaf Frighters not
I don't know, uh my prediction in this, I think
uh Willow's taking it. I think that could shut up
the Mercedes. I hope they do call your shot. I
don't want her to just beat Mercedes in a running.
I want to be like, hey, whatever big event Willow wants,
she's gonna call it there.
Speaker 4: That always makes will threat.
Speaker 1: There's other people you could, but to me, Willow is
and I think you should give her a big win
on I guess she was. She was in the Anarchy
and Arena and she was a star in the match.
She looked fantastic in that match. So that and I
also want to ask you guys, do we see a
surprise appearance.
Speaker 4: From a brit breaker here it's Baker come back?
Speaker 1: I honestly think no, me either, Yeah, which is Scar
that's just let her go? Then you know they let
her let her go to w to be at this
point if if they want, which is the rumors they do.
Speaker 4: So it's just like at that point, like she's just
on the beach stringing.
Speaker 1: Mimosa's like, I don't know, you're just paying for what
like I don't know, but that's uh yeah, who who else?
Do you guys think?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I agree with having Willow and then I want her
to call her shot at either all out or full
gear all out in September, I believe.
Speaker 1: So yeah, i'd prefer full gear to give like a
bit of a built build maybe too.
Speaker 5: Also that a couple of like the WAE releases like
don't like their like no Compeias after all. In so
like no Shane of Bay Isler, Dakota Kai or any.
Speaker 1: Of those, I would have been a great one like.
Speaker 5: It's up like twenty days later or something like that.
Speaker 1: I would have got a great pop that would have
been huge.
Speaker 5: So Also I just saw another evolution from Corey Hayes.
What it says, it'll be a bat, there'll be a
battle royal winner gets a shot at clash in Paris.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, I like that. That's that's a good way
to get everybody on the card.
Speaker 1: You should the other person and obviously Hater Apparently she's
injured again, which sucks. So like, I don't even know
if she'll be in there. Obviously, if it could be
in there, there was someone else.
Speaker 5: Oh, the whole collision crew will be on there. So
sky Blue, Meghan Baane, Penelope Ford, Queen Amnada that.
Speaker 1: Kla Megan Bane actually is to me a.
Speaker 5: Little heart will be in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, actually would be a low key option for me.
That could be like a surprise because they like her
a lot, and that that she had with Tony I
thought was great.
Speaker 5: Same thing.
Speaker 1: I don't seen much for everything I've seen a Bane
that tag team weapons match, like, she has a great
like Aura. I don't think she's gonna win, and I
don't know if she's ready, but I bet Ruby Soho
is in this.
Speaker 4: She had her baby last year.
Speaker 1: If she's ready to go, I could see this being
a good surprise spot for I don't think she win,
but she's been gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can continue the rise of uh Tamello as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I forgot that Jay. Yeah, but I mean unless
they're doing a women's tag team championship match. Yeah, that's
that's also in the same rumor that they said they
had the father and Son belts made, they said at
the same time they also had women's tag team Championships.
Speaker 1: That's been a rumor too that that's the Like. I
don't think she's signed, but the working theory is Basler
is going to come in and be with uh.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as like a team, you know, the four Horsemen.
So but than will anybody else.
Speaker 5: I mean it just I think Athene is gonna be
in here. I feel like she has a chance. But
then also I don't think she's losing her title to
Thumber neither. But I mean, just get a shot anyway.
Speaker 3: Like she's the forever r away champion, So I mean that, yeah,
and yet you're not losing it to thunder Ross of
all people.
Speaker 1: No, especially that last match then there wasn't putting on
her best work there.
Speaker 4: And you know I didn't say her, but Chris.
Speaker 1: Statlander is always an option, especially I will say if
they have done this thing where it was her and
stokely turning against Willow, they have this great match Christandler
really working as a heel. Then Rambley's like no spack
debate face Tremby Will's friend. If it's just again Statlander
is a heel again, I don't know what the fuck
we're doing here. Tony was cat like they are killing
Statlander's momentum, and if I was hard to be like,
I don't think she leaves because I think she's aw Homer.
Speaker 4: I think she likes it there, but it's like man
like you've like she's been.
Speaker 1: On the press spice of being really I think over
and it's just like they lose her. But if they
are keating that.
Speaker 5: Up, that's my ja. Your discord messages there, you just
got her to the FED just all caps are.
Speaker 1: So I'm not there yet with stat Lander, but I'm close.
Hater I think should go. I don't think they've appreciated
her as much as I would have liked. I think
it's just because I've said this before, Hater got popular
organically and Tony didn't plan for that, and we're sat Lander.
Speaker 4: I think there's a chance.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm gonna say is if they are
planning to heat stat Lander up again as a heel,
I could see her win and that could happen.
Speaker 4: So stat Lander also is a good option.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, and I'm surprised. I think that's pretty
much everyone. I think pretty much every woman that's gonna
be like in the envy like ning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know so.
Speaker 5: And actually again, Nina could be like I think, like
number two entrant or something. So she does like the
full It's like in the rumble, how you give the
first two people that you want to do like their
full entrance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's something like a Christian if you were
telling me like, who would be a random but not
surprising pick minas your career when this actually would wouldn't
surprise me. If like it's like, well, let's just like
we don't have anything for these people, let's just give
it her because she hasn't got a big one really
since she's been in the company. I think she's losing
de Mona on Wednesday, which I think is actually gonna
be a really good match Money and her.
Speaker 5: But I could say kind of the good match at
the Wrestle Dynasty.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, we wa yeah, we were up and watch that,
so this is again, so but yeah, we'll be back.
Speaker 5: There was actually one more like I think one that's
probably gonna happen is Adam Cole and Kyle Fletcher for
the TNT title.
Speaker 4: Right and Cole's looking up at the whitest.
Speaker 5: Cole on collision he had he had an open challenge
for like any Don Kallis family member, and it was
a Josh Alexander an. He beat Josh Alexander, So yeah,
I feel like Fletcher's probably gonna gonna win this thing
at all.
Speaker 1: In Oh, and there's the other one if we talked
about for your thing with the Men's gantlet, I supposed
to be like, oh, if the Kenny title counts the
world title. I can also see Takesha winning the galllet
and they run that back because they had a really
good match, and to catch IM.
Speaker 5: Wondering, it's like like because he has so much stuff
going on right now for him, but I wonder like
if this whole like like because I could see him
beating Bandido for the r O AGE title, right.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that he wins and he's.
Speaker 5: Not like yeah, because I feel like then it's too
because it's like because I think because I see people
also saying like he has a good shot for the
g one, someone may like I don't think he's gonna
like is he gonna have the r OH title with
a shot at the A title? And then also he's
like w TV.
Speaker 1: Two months from now, he's undisputed r o H and
New Japan for Wrestling champ and he should and give
it to him to Kesha, he's like, Sammy will give
him brewstick. He's gonna give you at least.
Speaker 4: A three star match, like like good for I keep
now it's.
Speaker 5: The whole Zach Sieber Junior winning the title. I don't
know about to Casha's chances of this because I was
seeing people say like, oh him and uh go to yeah,
him and Yoto. It's like, oh, that could be a match.
But now it's Act Chamber. Now people say like showed up.
You know, when's the g one running back next year
looking redemption?
Speaker 1: Can't they can't do that? Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see New Japan some interesting stuff going on it.
Speaker 5: Apparently it wasn't like even like a televised it was.
Speaker 3: Only televised in Japan. It was only uh for there.
Speaker 5: I think you have to Japan, Like I tell people
hating that Dominion show, that sounds like every match was
like House of Torture run in. Some people joined the
House of Torture. So yeah, some some interesting stuff going
on over there. I guess.
Speaker 1: I hate to say this because I don't want New
Japan to die, but it's not looking great for the
next like five years. They need someone hop but Gabe kid, yeah,
I get out of there. You gotta get and was
going to a W for sure. He's a W guy
him and mocks your changer. Look, but yeah, this stuff
are on New Japan now. Not when I saw that
that he lost in pretty much a non televising it's
like what, like what who made that this?
Speaker 4: Unless someone forgot to kick out who made that call?
Speaker 1: That's like, uh, that's when we're in there, you know,
even Zax.
Speaker 5: Like Dougler Junior Osprey for venandor they're doing it now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Zaber should probably win that if he's a chance,
like if he's a NJWP champ, like he can't be losing,
but you.
Speaker 5: Canna have like mocks run out and like punch or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, we'll be back July thirteenth, Like I said,
watch on the social media will announce what we do.
If we're gonna do a record something in the morning,
yeah yeah, and then some of the night or if
it's just a banger of the night. But we will
for sure something thirteenth because there's just so much show,
so we'll figure it out. And then yeah, that's gonna
be a really fun episode. Loss to talk about Saturday's
main event, Great American Bash all in Evolution. Uh yeah,
that's gonna be a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it all.
Speaker 1: And that's that's why we're not doing the Saturday because
I'll be watching all In and that's the same time
is an XT, so i'll switch over after.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be a juicy episode.
Speaker 1: Then we're on the way to SummerSlam, so lots of
good stuff coming for the Gimmick next couple of weeks,
and lots of good draft stuff, and yeah, there'll be
a couple of GM modes here there, and yeah, pros
you won't be boring until next time.
Speaker 5: See you there, see