WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.439 All right, we're gonna leave you now. I'm gonna make 2 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:03.359 a bunch of and or references, so I know that 3 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:06.519 would be so totally over your head. I don't want 4 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:07.080 to embarrass you. 5 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:10.439 So yeah, well look I'm cool. Yep, not green. 6 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:13.320 Make him go away. 7 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:20.480 Guys, ask not what your country can do for you, 8 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:25.600 ask what you can do for your country. Mister garbach off, 9 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:31.800 tear down this wall. It's the Ricochet Podcast with Stephen Heyward, 10 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:34.320 Charles W. Cook the last but I'm James Lonax with 11 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:35.960 you and we're going to talk to Henry Olson about 12 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:39.479 the events in Europe and elsewhere. Gilette's Episode's a podcast. 13 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:42.039 Now we're in a diverse nation like ours, and I 14 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:49.039 celebrate that these rules become even more important. Without them, 15 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:53.759 we were becoming an island of strangers. So yes, I 16 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:59.359 believe in this. I believe we need to reduce immigration significantly. 17 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.320 Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven hundred and 18 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:06.640 forty two. I'm James Lllloxs in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I'm joined 19 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:08.799 by not Charles E. W. Cook. A. Last last we 20 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:11.439 heard of him his roof was leaking, so for all 21 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.439 we know, he is standing in a flooded house bailing, 22 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:17.920 or he's just off having lunch somewhere in sunny Florida. 23 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:21.079 Stephen Hayward in California. I presume, step and how are you? 24 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.760 I'm good, but busy week. It's hard to keep up 25 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:25.599 with everything. 26 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:27.519 So much stuff to do. Well, we could go with 27 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.159 something that actually happened minutes ago, I think, well three 28 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:33.560 hours ago, a little tweet from Harvard here and says, 29 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:38.200 without its international students, Harvard is not Harvard. And that 30 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:40.519 struck me at first as the University of Minnesota saying 31 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.400 without our students from Wisconsin, the University of Minnesota is 32 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:48.719 not the University of Minnesota. I think it possibly could be. 33 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:52.640 But the idea of the international students somehow having an 34 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:56.519 automatic cachet because they simply are not American, and when 35 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:58.879 you are not American, you bring an ineffable quality to 36 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:02.120 things about to find out how that plays. What do 37 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:04.159 you think is even of this idea that the administration 38 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.159 has said, well you know what, Nope, sorry, no more 39 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:14.919 international students, none of that wonderful full tuition that they pay. Sorry, 40 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.120 Is this just another negotiating tactic like what I believe 41 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:23.280 is a fairly significant tax on endowments to get them 42 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.120 to do what exactly as you see. 43 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:30.080 Yeah. So first of all, I think, James, you mispronounced 44 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:34.520 the word cash. You said cachet cash. You're right, Yeah, 45 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.599 I mean, this is, of course, the business model for 46 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.400 many universities is to have foreign students come who pay 47 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:43.719 full freight. Some students have, some colleges have high numbers 48 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:47.080 of Chinese students who will pay, you know, the full 49 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:49.800 freight for universities, and it is a I've had college 50 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.840 administrators confess to me that it is a primary revenue 51 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:55.520 model for them. But second of all, Harvard is not 52 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:59.039 Harvard without it's apparently seven thousand foreign students is their 53 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.919 average number that they role was the number I've seen reported, 54 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:06.439 And Harvard wouldn't be Harvard without their fore students. And 55 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:08.479 I thought, oh, maybe they're starting to get the point 56 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:11.639 here that Harvard isn't Harvard. That's the point. That's that's 57 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.360 the object of the Trump administration. And you know, I'm 58 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:16.039 all for them. I mean, I you know, I know 59 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.280 some Harvard faculty that are good, and I feel bad 60 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:21.039 for them, except most of them privately say we richly 61 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.680 deserve it. So anyway, I think this is just one 62 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.800 more turn to the screw by the Trump people. And 63 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:32.560 Harvard has i think late yesterday or maybe this morning, 64 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.360 filed suit saying this is an illegal move. But you know, 65 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.800 the Harvard can afford a lot of lawyers, but the 66 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:41.639 Trump administration has an unlimited number of lawyers in time 67 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:42.319 to pursue this. 68 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:45.400 So I'm sure the fund of judgeho believes and agrees 69 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:47.719 with them. You see this back and forth all the time, 70 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:49.719 the judge who says, no, you actually can't fire those 71 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:53.479 people because that impeedes their ability to do the work 72 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:55.280 of the agency, and such and side it which you know, 73 00:03:57.240 --> 00:03:59.919 it has got to come to some sort of point 74 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:06.199 where these judges simply are not are are restrained show 75 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:10.080 we say, from over reaching their bonds because we're reaching 76 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:13.120 a point where there's a legitimacy of competency and confidence 77 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:14.800 in the courts, which is not a good thing. Where 78 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:16.720 people may say, good good, there are a bunch of 79 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:18.680 rogue activists. Get them out of here. Let's just spend 80 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:21.639 that you don't want that you really don't want that 81 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:25.160 post court post rule or law world. You mentioned you 82 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:28.279 know some Harvard educators who believe that they richly deserve it. 83 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:32.120 Why Well, because the administration has coddled the left for 84 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:35.360 so long and you know, allowed all these you know, 85 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:40.120 firm intive action programs, quote the DEI stuff, ideological hiring also, 86 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.600 you know, refusing to hire. I mean I'm familiar with 87 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.720 a few hiring cases where they had a strong conservative 88 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:48.120 candidate and the person who ought to have been hired 89 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:50.759 was rejected. This is going back twenty years now. I 90 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:54.120 mean there's been systematic bias, not just at Harvard, but 91 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:57.879 a lot of universities against hiring well qualified conservative professors. 92 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.600 And so I think the Harvard faculty is the most upsided. 93 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.439 I think it's ninety eight percent registered Democrats. 94 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:05.399 That's what I figured. But so you're speaking to the 95 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:07.399 two percent who are not the people who are suppose 96 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:09.920 you with the you know, with a cone of silence 97 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:13.319 over there. You were going to mention something else about this. 98 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.920 Well, I thought you mentioned, you know, judges and injunctions. 99 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:17.720 I thought maybe you had in mind this case that 100 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:20.560 came out on Thursday, Trump H. Wilcox. It's one of 101 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:24.639 those shadow Dockett rocket docket cases. It's not a complete case, 102 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.560 but by a six to three vote, the court said, 103 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.519 you know what, Trump can fire members of some of 104 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:34.120 these boards and commissions, because you know they've been saying, oh, 105 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:37.600 these are independent agencies. The president can't do that. And 106 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:41.759 so anyway, this augurs well for this when the full 107 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.560 case comes before the court, or turn the old Humphreys 108 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.920 executor's case that said a president couldn't fire the head 109 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:51.639 of the Federal Tray Commission. There is one sentence in 110 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:54.319 Justice Kagan's descent that really jumps out at me. That's 111 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:58.759 very short. She said that the principal and a president 112 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:04.199 can't fire somebody. Here's a quote Undergirdz. A significant feature 113 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:10.560 of American governance bi partisan administrative bodies carrying out expertise 114 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:15.240 based functions with a measure of independence from presidential control. 115 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.399 That is the most perfect one sentence encapsulation of the 116 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:22.920 progressive idea of expert government unaccountable to political bodies, letther 117 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:25.920 Congress or the president. But it's also got the history wrong. 118 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:29.040 And so you know in thirty seconds, the reason we 119 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:31.199 set up the commission model, going all the way back 120 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:33.839 to the eighteen eighties with you five members, two from 121 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:37.120 the minority party and three from the president's party, was 122 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:41.800 to replicate the partisan divisions that exist between the two 123 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.000 parties and their views of how policies should be made 124 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.360 and what its goal should be. Congress figured out one 125 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.480 hundred and fifty years ago that you couldn't escape the 126 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:54.199 essential disagreements of American politics, and therefore let's copy it. 127 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:58.279 So there's by saying bi partisan administrative bodies, as Justice 128 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:02.240 Kagan said, No, there's a look. Everybody who pays attention 129 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:06.519 knows that the Securities Exchange Commission, Federal Communications Commission, they 130 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.920 are partisan fights in those commissions every year, every week, 131 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.120 and that's on purpose. And so you're trying to pull 132 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:14.959 the wool over our eyes saying, oh, it's nothing here 133 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:19.639 about us bipartisan expert people unaffected by politics, and it's 134 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:21.240 about time for that whole game to end. 135 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.199 The belief seems to be that the civil service is 136 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:29.839 this non partisan sort of cadre of experts that floats 137 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:32.560 over things and makes decisions according to the best data, 138 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:36.160 unswayed by personal beliefs, which is nice to believe, but 139 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:38.839 unfortunately it doesn't work out that way. And the people 140 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:41.240 who seem to believe that it do also believe that 141 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:44.759 the technocratic expertise will be slightly left coded, if not 142 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:48.279 explicitly so, because that's just simply the right, correct and 143 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.240 smart thing to do. So while it would be nice 144 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:53.120 to believe in that sort of civil service, we're being 145 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.639 disabused of a whole lot of notions of our institutions. 146 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:57.959 Which brings to something else is that if you can't 147 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.480 get the courts to do exactly what you want to say, 148 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:02.759 or the courts are thwarting you, well then just figure 149 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:04.600 out a novel way to go around them. Who's reading 150 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.120 a story this week that what ICE is doing with 151 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.879 the Homeland Security is doing as dropping charges on some 152 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:13.199 guys so they you know, we need our day in court? 153 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:15.560 All right, Well you know what, we're dropping the charges, 154 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:20.759 but we're arresting you right now. Yeah, which does focus 155 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:28.680 the mind. Yes, uh so DC shooting, Jew shooting in DC. 156 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:32.200 I don't know how else to put it. It has 157 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.679 had the immediate effects, as I wrote on Ricochet was 158 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:38.039 one You're not gonna hear an awful lot about stochastic 159 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:41.279 terrorism this week, where people talk about how bad, how 160 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:44.320 rhetoric that seems to be inflaming people has his story 161 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:47.600 of voltage that leads to actual terrorism, speeches, violence, et cetera. 162 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.639 Not gonna hear a lot about that this week. And secondly, 163 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.039 Luigi Mangioni, the previous darling of a certain set of 164 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.120 the progressive left, has now been replaced by somebody else 165 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:59.960 who has had the courage of his convictions. Hasn't burnt himself, 166 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.200 but he's done something brave, he's struck a blow, etcetera, etcetera. 167 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.759 And a surprising number of people are self identifying as 168 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:10.600 fans of alludism of a murderous lunatic by saying, yes, 169 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.279 this is the inevitable result. It is a necessary result. 170 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.360 It is what happens when you have a genocidal government, 171 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:18.240 its emissaries are free to walk them among the planet. 172 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.600 Even though these people weren't emissaries of the government at all. 173 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.519 They actually were, from what I understand, interested in outreach 174 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:27.399 to the ballast Indian community and finding some way to 175 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:29.799 foster peace. But it didn't matter because it comes down 176 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:34.559 to it, they're Jews. So yeah, so where does this 177 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:36.159 go exactly? 178 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:40.919 I'm afraid it's heading in some very dark directions. You know, 179 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:43.159 I have been reflecting the last several years that as 180 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.879 bad as things are, you know, black lives matter, riots 181 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:51.240 and especially things going on on campus. At least, it's 182 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:53.200 not yet as bad as it was in the late 183 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:56.120 sixties and early seventies when we were averaging what one 184 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.240 bombing every three days. I mean, there's something like a 185 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:01.960 thousand bombings, including on college campuses that killed some people 186 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:04.480 at the University Wisconsin. I thought, at least, we're not 187 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:08.840 bombing college campuses yet, We're not having political assassinations yet. 188 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:11.960 Now I said this before they took shots at Trump 189 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.600 a few months ago, and I'm worried that we are 190 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:17.279 very quickly edging our way back to that. The Left 191 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.240 is clearly going to legitimize violence. We're going to get 192 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:21.840 more of it. And this takes us back to the 193 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.960 university story once again. I mean, where did this kid 194 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:27.159 learn this stuff? He was an English major at the 195 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.960 University of Illinois, Chicago, and I couldn't find out much 196 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.320 about it. But I bet their English department is just 197 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:35.080 as bad as every other one these days. But they 198 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:38.799 teach this stuff in the universities or even earlier. I mean, 199 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:42.480 one problem is is this guy. I suspect this Rodriguez 200 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:47.960 kid probably arrived at university fully Howard zinified already in 201 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:51.120 high school, and so the problem goes all the way down. 202 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:54.679 By the way, interesting news tidbit this morning. This guy's 203 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:59.440 father was a guest of a Democratic congressman from Illinois 204 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:03.200 at Trump's speech to Congress two three months back. Now, 205 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.200 you don't blame parents for the sins of the children, 206 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:08.960 I understand. On the other hand, that's going to be 207 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:12.120 difficult to explain, and we'll have to see where that 208 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:12.799 story goes. 209 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.360 Yeah, the grenade doesn't fall far from the tree. Now, 210 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:19.000 English major, you're probably right that the curriculum that he 211 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.320 into which he was steeped and marinated was probably not 212 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:23.840 the same as mine. When I was an English major. 213 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.120 I don't remember, you know, spending a lot of time 214 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:29.679 on Canterbury Tales and you know Kate Chopin's The Awakening 215 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:31.639 and deciding that I should go out and shoot somebody. 216 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.960 But maybe when you talk about politic I mean, we 217 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.879 can have the whole conversation about how political violence has 218 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:39.240 been normalized by the left and has been exalted as 219 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:41.519 the voice of the people, the unsung, et cetera, et cetera. 220 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:44.159 We're told, of course that the biggest threat in the 221 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.240 country is political violence from the right. But yet we 222 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:49.159 keep seeing these things happen. But I don't think you're 223 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:53.120 going to have a summer of riots over Gaza. I 224 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:55.200 think you need some approximate cause here in the United 225 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:58.840 States that gets that gin's up, the particular excuse. And 226 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:00.240 right now it seems to me the well on the 227 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:02.440 left has a great deal of grievances about Trump. They're 228 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:06.200 sort of indistinct, free floating, confusing. It's a miasma of gnats. 229 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:09.759 That's just they can't really do any wave their hands 230 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.360 to try to dispel them. There's no focus point yet, 231 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:17.759 but there might be who knows everything changes and moves swiftly, 232 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:20.480 such as your host moving from our general discussion to 233 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.679 one of a particular nature, with Henry Olsen, Senior fellow 234 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:25.840 with the Ethics and Public Policy Center, author of The 235 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:28.879 Working Class Republican, Ronald Reagan and the Return of Blue 236 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:32.159 Collar Conservatism, and the host of Beyond the Polls, which 237 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:35.480 is an election podcast. You can find it right here 238 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:40.080 on Ricochet. Henry, welcome, Well, thanks for having me. Well 239 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.159 we get to Europe, because yes it matters, and they 240 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:45.000 had elections and they are significant. But we want to 241 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.159 bring up a piece he wrote last month for unheard. 242 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:53.399 It was called Trump's dirty hairy theory of justice. And 243 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:55.840 you explain, with the voters today are unusually ammenable to 244 00:12:55.879 --> 00:12:58.120 the president's methods. I was just talking with somebody about 245 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:00.519 this yesterday. It's like, you know, if you guys don't 246 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:02.799 do anything, then and you don't do anything, and you 247 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:05.519 import more of the problem and you gaslight the people 248 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:07.759 who say that there is a problem. Eventually somebody comes 249 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:09.840 along to try to solve the problems and the excesses 250 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:11.840 that the margins are not going to bother the people 251 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:16.559 who are concerned about these things because fine, something's finally 252 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.919 being done. Is that what you're talking about? 253 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.960 Pretty much? You know what Dirty Harry was For people 254 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.759 who may not have seen the nineteen seventy one movie 255 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:30.399 made Clint Eastwood's career in a sense, as he played 256 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:34.600 a cop who was consistently frustrated by Warren Court era 257 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:38.320 rulings that basically put procedure over justice and let criminals 258 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:44.200 go free and employed extra legal methods to pursue justice. 259 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:46.360 And I think that's what's going on here is it's 260 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:48.720 quite obvious that there are millions of people here who 261 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:51.840 were let in in violation of law. Many of them 262 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:55.759 are not committing crimes, but way too many of them are. 263 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:59.000 And even if they aren't, they're not supposed to be here, 264 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:02.320 you know, violating the law. And so Trump is pursued 265 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:06.120 doing that and sometimes looking a little askance or looking 266 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:08.200 the other way when procedure gets in the way. And 267 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.840 I think for his voters, as long as he's dealing 268 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:13.639 with the problem, he's pursuing justice and not letting law 269 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:15.399 get in the way, and they're justifying with that. 270 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.919 I was talking to somebody yesterday about the proposed Medicare 271 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:20.279 cuts and they were saying, this is going to be 272 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.519 very bad for hospitals. It's going to be it's going 273 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:27.039 to be dreadful, and I said, well, and again in 274 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:29.480 this conversation, I was not defending. I was just simply 275 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:32.480 explaining what the logic was. Well, that there will be 276 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:34.919 significant cuts because the hospital is no longer have to 277 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:38.840 because Medicare will medicate whatever we're talking We'll never have 278 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:42.320 to give money again to illegals, to which the person responded, oh, well, 279 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:44.320 then grade fine, they'll just go to the emergency rooms. 280 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:46.559 And I said, well, no, actually, the idea is that 281 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.360 they won't be here, and that seems that seems to 282 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.200 be like a stunning revelations like that we have no 283 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.600 choice but to fund these people because they're the option 284 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.240 of just saying no, I'm sorry, you don't belong here, 285 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.000 you're not a citizen, and here you came, and you 286 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:03.039 slipped through, you ignored all your court dates, you are 287 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:07.039 going to be deported. Seems to be off the table 288 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.639 for an awful lot of people. But it's it's pretty 289 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:11.399 much everything on the table for a lot of others, 290 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:11.799 isn't it. 291 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.480 Well, yeah, I mean, look, going back to COVID, nobody 292 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:19.159 could get together outdoors until you were protesting something approved 293 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.000 by the progressive a lead, and then nobody can get 294 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.919 COVID if you're protesting racism, right right. So the thing 295 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:31.000 is that what they're shocked about is that somebody is 296 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:37.120 pursuing matters of culture and matters of law, of economics, 297 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.120 but predominantly matters of culture using all the same techniques 298 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.559 and the same sort of intensity that the left is 299 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:47.320 pursued for fifty or sixty years, and they're shocked, shocked 300 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:52.000 to discover there's gambling going on in this new federal 301 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:57.000 government state. Now, hello, McFly, you built it. You are 302 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:01.879 now have to deal with that. And the fact is 303 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:07.679 that these Medicaid cuts are not cuts. You know what 304 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:12.200 they are is, well, if you serve through state funds 305 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.840 illegal aliens, people who shouldn't be here anyway that you 306 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.559 recognize in your state law, we're going to not reimburse 307 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.720 your Medicaid program at the same rate. So the states 308 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:27.080 get to make a choice. You know, nobody is boarched 309 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:30.159 off the rolls, and you know they're the other thing. 310 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:34.240 It's that the biggest so called cuts are saying, well, 311 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:36.480 you have if you're able bodied and you don't have 312 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.679 dependent children, and you're not pregnant, and you're under the 313 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.000 age of sixty five, you have to at least try 314 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:44.840 to work or go to school or provide community service 315 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:47.600 twenty hours a week. And the CBO says, well, that 316 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:49.960 means millions of people will lose their healthcare, to which 317 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:54.039 most Trump voters would say, damn straight. If you can't 318 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:58.000 help yourself, you don't deserve our help. So these aren't cuts. 319 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:00.000 And this is the sort of thing that the left 320 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.920 is used to having a monopoly over the language, and 321 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:07.640 we can't let them do that. And I think what 322 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:10.960 they're finding is increasingly the right is not letting them 323 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.119 do that again. They're they're shocked to discover that the 324 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.640 right is not simply the Washington generals paid different for 325 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:18.079 the hard. 326 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:20.839 Should should note to everybody that we did, indeed catch 327 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:22.759 the fact that you made both the Casablanca and a 328 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:24.680 Back to the Future reference. I think in the span 329 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:25.720 of about seven seconds. 330 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:29.160 That's and Dirty Harry too, right now. 331 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.200 No, hey, look, I am just a rolling culture machine 332 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:36.839 for anything made before the year nineteen ninety four. Well, James, 333 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.160 I can do I can call fiction too, and that 334 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:41.279 was nineteen ninety four. 335 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:44.799 So I don't know, James, if you've caught the news 336 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:47.799 out of California where Coveror Newsom has not only announced 337 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.799 no further enrollments of illegal aliens in Medicaid, but existing 338 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.880 illegal alien enrollees have to start making a copey, maybe 339 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:59.039 Henry should talk about Newsom's obvious crab march to the 340 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:01.240 right to try to run for president. But by the way, 341 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:03.680 you mentioned Dirty Harry. I can't resist this. I think 342 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:06.559 it was Richard Granier who pointed out that that was 343 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:10.920 the first mainstream Hollywood movie that talked back to liberalism, right, 344 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:12.680 I mean, you laid out theme about the war in court. 345 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:16.200 But my favorite scene you may remember it, James, is 346 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:19.920 when dirty Harry Callahan gets his new partner, a young 347 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:23.759 Hispanic guy named Chico. Nothing subtle about that, and he 348 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.359 looks at him skeptically. He says, what's your background? He says, 349 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:32.720 degree in sociology from San Jose State Hallahead looks at 350 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.359 him and says, oh, you'll go far. That just perfect, right, 351 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:38.960 I mean, fifty years ahead of the whole DEI world 352 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:43.039 we see these days, right, But I was especially interested 353 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:45.960 in catching up with you on the scene in Europe, 354 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.480 which is of a piece with ours in a lot 355 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:51.359 of ways. And you know, you know, things down to 356 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.920 the precinct level, which is scary because I don't, I mean, 357 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:55.720 there's something wrong with you, Henry. I've been saying this 358 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.920 for forty years. But let's start with the United Kingdom. 359 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:01.519 You know, I woke up here two weeks ago and 360 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:05.480 saw a tweet from Prime Minister Kirs Starmer saying, you know, 361 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:08.319 immigration to Britain is not a right, it's a privilege 362 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:09.960 that has to be earned, and I thought, well, this 363 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:13.160 is new for those guys are even more open border 364 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.039 than Joe Biden was and then I picked up the 365 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:20.680 news that Nigel Faraja's Reform Party swept the municipal elections. 366 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:22.960 That was hardly reported in the US press. I had 367 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:25.000 to go to the British press to see the full 368 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:28.440 dimensions of it. It was staggering. And they're now polling 369 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:30.480 number one, and I think the Tories have fallen in 370 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.519 number three. So first of all, the two part question 371 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:37.000 is Farage for real? I mean, is Reform now going 372 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:39.640 to replace the Tories? Are the Tories in such deep 373 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:43.240 trouble that will they come back? I mean, give us 374 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:46.599 your thumbnail assessment of what the turmoil that's going on 375 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:47.160 in the UK. 376 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:50.000 Yeah, Parage is for real, Reform is for real, and 377 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:53.960 the Tories are in an existential crisis. There's a book 378 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:58.319 written many years ago about how the Liberal Party went 379 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:01.799 from running Britain. Oh yeah, right, the Strange Death of 380 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:05.440 Liberal England. There's a better than fifty percent chance that 381 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:07.119 we are in the middle of the strange death of 382 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:11.440 Conservative England that the Tory Party. And the basic question 383 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.839 is simple is that throughout the Western world, conservative voters 384 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:20.839 are increasingly pushing back against a liberal elite, and liberal 385 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:23.640 includes many Conservatives because I mean the liberal with a 386 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:29.119 small continental l that doesn't care about nationalism and doesn't 387 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:32.000 care about citizenship, and you see it in immigration and 388 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:35.079 you see it in trade. They just don't care. It's 389 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:39.000 open borders all the way. And conservative voters say, no, actually, 390 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:41.079 we don't think that's right. We think that UoS a 391 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:45.119 duty as citizens and that means protecting our way of 392 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:49.559 life and our standard of living, to which most elites 393 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:54.759 in the conservative movements say, sorry, I can't hear you. 394 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:58.000 You say you want more freedom, more liberty, and that's 395 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:00.759 not what they're saying. So what's happened is is that 396 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:03.440 the right in Britain has finally given up. In the 397 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:08.440 Conservative Party well ram things for fourteen years and didn't 398 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:11.039 keep any of their promises. And the most stunning thing 399 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:13.920 was in twenty nineteen when they basically have a Trumpian 400 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:17.039 victory where they win votes that they've never gotten before 401 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:20.599