Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in like South Beach Sean this
Speaker 1: set of scarface back in the nineteen eighties. We're doing
Speaker 1: eighties one hit wonders for the next hour because Chris
Speaker 1: camaradis live in studio. All right, this was your choice.
Speaker 1: Take us through, Take us through the process.
Speaker 2: Well, like this song, I'm a one hit wonder as well,
Speaker 2: you are not. Don't say that it Vice City by city.
Speaker 2: This is what it's I mean like that. This is
Speaker 2: the first time it really came on to my radar.
Speaker 2: Okayack when I used to play video games twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: So like Grand Theft Auto, Vice City, it does have
Speaker 1: a little scarface for South beach Field early eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seems like the vibes were probably high back then.
Speaker 2: Well you'll see what I did there.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, The vibes were very high. I didn't mean it.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to interrupt you. It may have been
Speaker 1: the cocaine. But since we're in the space and this
Speaker 1: is what we do every time you join us, that's okay,
Speaker 1: since we're not in the cocaine space, okay, but since
Speaker 1: we're in this space. Best gangster movie of all time?
Speaker 2: Oh, good Fellas, Good Fellas, mostly watchable for me? Is
Speaker 2: Good Fellas? Godfather too? Up there?
Speaker 1: Do we have to say Departed? For John Paul?
Speaker 2: We can Casino's really up there?
Speaker 1: Casino?
Speaker 2: We have to say casino for John Paul. Yes, because
Speaker 2: of his place. He gets the chicken palm.
Speaker 1: Yes he does, Yes he does. I'm making the Italian
Speaker 1: hand gesture. Now. John Paul used to before we do
Speaker 1: the show, he would get up at like eight and
Speaker 1: watch Departed. Because you work in the afternoon, at night
Speaker 1: you have games, he would like watch three or four
Speaker 1: hour movies like in the morning.
Speaker 2: It's getting into character.
Speaker 1: That's a weird habit man Untouchables, Kevin Costner.
Speaker 2: It's good. Sean Connery was good.
Speaker 1: Yell of the men. Now, j'ell what's the what's the
Speaker 1: scarface take?
Speaker 2: It was good, I mean it was. It was cool
Speaker 2: to like when you were a teenager, young adult. It's
Speaker 2: still good. I mean, Gino's awesome. Michelle Pfiffer's awesome. A
Speaker 2: ridiculous storyline, but to me, it's gotta be Goodfellas. Like
Speaker 2: the Wonder shots for John Paul, like the soundtrack, the
Speaker 2: the Raliota voiceovers, all of it is just for John Paul.
Speaker 1: It is so Rolling Stones list Number one Godfather Part two,
Speaker 1: number two, Good Fellas, number three, The Godfather, the Original,
Speaker 1: Number four, Once upon a Time in America, which I've
Speaker 1: never seen. Number five Public Enemy, shout out classic gangster movie.
Speaker 1: Number six. Eastern promises. Number seven City of God. Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen a phenomenal move? If you've never seen
Speaker 1: that one? City of God is.
Speaker 2: Worth when it was a sundance like in two thousand
Speaker 2: and three or four Rip Sundance. Eastern promises, also very good,
Speaker 2: Vigo Mortensen playing the most yoked, scary, tatted Russian mob
Speaker 2: hit man. And you would just do this to people. Okay,
Speaker 2: that means like lights out?
Speaker 1: I do I do know what that means. I've never
Speaker 1: seen it. Boys in the hood under are.
Speaker 2: We talking about mob movies or like organized crime?
Speaker 1: Good line of delineation. This is the Rolling Stones list
Speaker 1: of the best gangster movies. Departed is at fifteen. Can
Speaker 1: I offer up Snatch brow Yeah, absolutely liked eggs. Sure,
Speaker 1: what's what's up with those sausages? Five minutes? It was
Speaker 1: five minutes ten minutes ago, Guy Ritchie phenomenal. Obviously Lockstock too,
Speaker 1: smoking barrels guys movie before Snatch? Uh, you know what,
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you to come up with a
Speaker 1: trivia question to give away golf. Do you want to
Speaker 1: just ask for somebody's favorite gangster movie? Yeah, Porter, what's
Speaker 1: your all of gangster gangster movies, mob movies, whatever the
Speaker 1: definition definition is, do you have a favorite?
Speaker 3: That's a that is a hard one. I mean I
Speaker 3: lean towards when you're talking like gangster mob. I lean
Speaker 3: towards like the Wild West movies. That's organized crime. It's yeah,
Speaker 3: down that lane. But I might have to go with uh,
Speaker 3: I might have to go with the Godfather as well
Speaker 3: as if we're going down the kind of the mob
Speaker 3: gangster route.
Speaker 1: All right, so eight seven seven three five three zero
Speaker 1: seven hundred text in your favorite mob movie, your favorite
Speaker 1: gangster movie, and the reward today, Chris, this is not intentional,
Speaker 1: but it's ironic. We are giving away a free round
Speaker 1: of golf to Wassatch Mountain State Park, which course, though
Speaker 1: it does not say and that's a good question, we
Speaker 1: need to get a clarifier. Both of them are awesome.
Speaker 1: Though a Porter's saying the mountain course.
Speaker 2: Okay, then I'm definitely okay. People better get their answers
Speaker 2: in quick. We all. We love the mountain course.
Speaker 1: We love the mountain course.
Speaker 2: I mean, no offense. The late course is great. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the mountain course is where it really happens. I got
Speaker 2: to get up there.
Speaker 1: That is one of the that is God's country up
Speaker 1: there and the site of the original trave Okay, so
Speaker 1: let's be clear. Wasast Hatch State Park holds a soft
Speaker 1: spout to all of us?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 1: So eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred,
Speaker 1: your favorite mob movie, your favorite gangster movie, and then
Speaker 1: maybe make Porter laugh because he's the one that's gonna choose.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Trav, the original Trav. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about Sundance leaving our market? By the way, since
Speaker 1: you brought it.
Speaker 2: Up, bummer man. For a state and a governing body
Speaker 2: that is obsessed with toting the the financial successes, I
Speaker 2: believe the governor last week at the Miller unveiling was
Speaker 2: bragging about the state's GDP.
Speaker 1: The EBITA correct for finance bros out there.
Speaker 2: The fact the fact that we've lost outdoor Retailer and
Speaker 2: Sundance in like a five year span not ideal, not ideal.
Speaker 2: And I understand that there are growth in other places,
Speaker 2: you know, the Silicon Slopes. People are elated over it,
Speaker 2: and we're having more lego apartment buildings popping up left
Speaker 2: and right. But Sundance, man, you needed a little bit
Speaker 2: of a curveball, You needed a slider to what is
Speaker 2: very paramount at this state and the culture, and we're
Speaker 2: losing it to arguably not arguably, I can say this
Speaker 2: a cooler place, boulders cooler, a little more travel for
Speaker 2: folks who are going, you know, Denver Internationals forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: It's not as easy to get to Park City. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you can take an l We're taking ls a lot lately.
Speaker 1: Spence losing Sundance but gaining more trucks than Tesla's. Is
Speaker 1: that what it comes down to? More trucks and Tesla's
Speaker 1: less Sundance Film Festival or Tesla trucks or Tesla trucks.
Speaker 1: Good call. There are conversations about a replacement festival coming,
Speaker 1: maybe a little Forrest Gump, maybe a little Avatar. We're
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Speaker 1: with us for an hour so we'll save some college
Speaker 1: football some transfer portal. You guys are mad at each
Speaker 1: other online. We'll get to that coming up in the
Speaker 1: four o'clock hour. But while we're here, with about ten
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes in this segment, let's do a little RSL.
Speaker 1: John Kimball, the president of the club, hopped on the
Speaker 1: program yesterday to break the news that the diego in
Speaker 1: a red card has been rescinded, and John asked, like
Speaker 1: as I brought him in, has this ever happened in
Speaker 1: the history of pro sports before? And I can't necessarily
Speaker 1: answer that emphatically, but I will say this my entire
Speaker 1: life around pro sports, working in it, being around it.
Speaker 1: The typical situation not to go Dave Matthews Honyo on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday. But typically the leagues want to protect their
Speaker 1: officials and they want to protect their processes, and they
Speaker 1: want to protect, you know, any and deflect quite frankly,
Speaker 1: any criticism comes away to the refs outside of like
Speaker 1: a Tim donaghey situation with the NBA when David Saron
Speaker 1: wanted that dude swimming with the fishes. So this does
Speaker 1: not happen very often. Now in real time, Chris, when
Speaker 1: I'm watching the game and I just see kind of
Speaker 1: out out of the corner of my eye Diego standing
Speaker 1: over the player, it looked bad in real time, I'm like,
Speaker 1: did he kick him? And is he kind of rubbing
Speaker 1: it in? And then when you see the replay and
Speaker 1: you're like, dude, he didn't even touch him. That's not
Speaker 1: even a yellow. But this is pretty rare that this happens.
Speaker 1: So RSL they go through the appeals process and it
Speaker 1: actually was approved and the red card was rescinded, was
Speaker 1: not even awarded a yellow, and he'll be playing on
Speaker 1: the weekend against San Diego. What'd you make of this?
Speaker 2: I think Kurt was on your show a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago and he said that he's not a fan
Speaker 2: of VAR. Correct Kurt Schmidt, RSL Technical Director, And I
Speaker 2: disagree with that sentiment, but now I kind of see
Speaker 2: where he's coming from. Like, if the point is to
Speaker 2: get it right, and you're going to stop the game,
Speaker 2: you're going to slow everybody down, You're going to wait
Speaker 2: for somebody from another state to patch into your headset
Speaker 2: and say go check it out, and then to waste
Speaker 2: more time and then to still get it wrong. Yikes, man.
Speaker 2: And this is not specific to MLS. I mean we've
Speaker 2: seen vargo wrong at big levels over in Europe. We've
Speaker 2: seen it go wrong in the World Cup. It is
Speaker 2: it is a byproduct of human air, which I'm always
Speaker 2: going to be a proponent of. It is the reality
Speaker 2: of it. But you can have human air without VAR.
Speaker 2: You can't have human err with VAR, because otherwise either
Speaker 2: you're incompetent or you're just doubling down and you are
Speaker 2: refusing to correct a wrong. I think it was hard
Speaker 2: to slow down because Luna moved so quick and got
Speaker 2: his leg out of that scissor hold so fast that
Speaker 2: it could have looked like he stomped him while he
Speaker 2: was getting his feet out. I agree, but as they
Speaker 2: showed replay over and over, once his foot was cleared,
Speaker 2: he didn't step on him. So to your point, it
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been a yellow card. It should have been
Speaker 2: play on. It should have been hey, you guys, come
Speaker 2: talk to me. Let's keep it cool, let's move on,
Speaker 2: and you know, play on. I don't know if Diego
Speaker 2: being involved in the last twenty nine to thirty minutes
Speaker 2: of that match changes the outcome. I think Garcel ended
Speaker 2: up about shooting him, like twenty four to two. That's
Speaker 2: another topic that I'm sure we'll get to, but it's
Speaker 2: I mean, the league did the right thing. Like you
Speaker 2: can't protect mistakes at that level, especially considering red cards
Speaker 2: aren't only the ejection from the current game, but an
Speaker 2: ensuing suspension from the following.
Speaker 1: It's very punitive. I mean, I could remember before I
Speaker 1: even knew anything about soccer at all, because, as I've
Speaker 1: told you before, prior to bringing the club here in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, I maybe a World Cup here
Speaker 1: there I never watched, and I was very much anti
Speaker 1: anti soccer. I told you the story when my father
Speaker 1: flew into town and said, I want to take you lunch.
Speaker 1: And we went to lunch and he said, here's my idea.
Speaker 1: I want to bring soccer to salt that I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What a bad idea? I mean,
Speaker 1: I told him not to do it. He was right,
Speaker 1: I was wrong, of course, that's how it goes. But
Speaker 1: when I first heard about what a red card was,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a second, he sits the rest of
Speaker 1: this match and he can't play the next game, Like
Speaker 1: they don't do that in the NFL or the NBA.
Speaker 1: You get ejected and you have to sit the next game.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, it is sure if you're talking
Speaker 2: a blanket statement. Soccer it is different from other sports. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and yes there are levels. I mean, if you run
Speaker 2: our test a fan, you're gonna miss some time. But
Speaker 2: if you just get ejected for arguing with a ref
Speaker 2: or a hard flagrant foul, unless it's really egregious, you're
Speaker 2: rarely suspended in soccer, are red means you're out the
Speaker 2: next game. And Christopher, a team that's hemorrhaging points, losing
Speaker 2: their best player in Diego Luna, even you know, just
Speaker 2: for one game, felt pretty harsh. So were you surprised
Speaker 2: that the league did this?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I was. I was very.
Speaker 2: Surprised surprised it. I don't know if there was precedent
Speaker 2: for it. I feel like in the NBA there have
Speaker 2: been times where they've rescinded technical fouls that end up
Speaker 2: accumulating in a suspension.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's true. They did to Luca I think
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's very rare. I understand the league's desire
Speaker 2: to protect its referees. But again, I think if I
Speaker 2: think the fact that they went to var and they
Speaker 2: and then the referee still went with the red card,
Speaker 2: I think that was even that much more damning.
Speaker 1: So for a team that at this point has three
Speaker 1: wins through nine games, I don't really have the stomach
Speaker 1: for it. It's all the ref's fault. However, I will
Speaker 1: present this to you Peel's read at home against Dallas.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: We talked about that the week after it happened. Uh.
Speaker 1: That felt a little harsh based off of the entire
Speaker 1: flow of the actual play, where the Dallas player probably
Speaker 1: should have been called for a foul before that. The
Speaker 1: PK in that game was a bad call against Dallas.
Speaker 1: Muktar from Nashville, No big deal. I've got MLS knowledge,
Speaker 1: clearly initial hated.
Speaker 2: But I got you. Really Yeah, but Muktar is on Nashville.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, no, Muktar drew the penalty.
Speaker 2: Oh, Muktar drew the penalty. Yes, I thought you were
Speaker 2: talking about the elbow to Mark Soup.
Speaker 1: I was getting there now. Now I'm glad you said
Speaker 1: that because I didn't know the dude's name, but that
Speaker 1: clearly was a red. He hit Don with the elbow.
Speaker 1: Then Muktar initiates the contact against Nelson and falls PK.
Speaker 1: There there is and look, we don't really hear from
Speaker 1: players in that post media scrum at America First Field,
Speaker 1: and Alex Katron has had some things to say. So
Speaker 1: while I'm not going to lay their lack of results
Speaker 1: at the feet of the officials, if I'm with the
Speaker 1: club right now, I'm feeling a little bit hard done.
Speaker 2: You are, and I think you're feeling hard done because
Speaker 2: of the current form you're in. I think if you're
Speaker 2: sprinkling in some draws and a win, if you have
Speaker 2: some semblance of peaks and valleys, I think it's a
Speaker 2: little easier to stomach but right now you are very
Speaker 2: much existing in a valley and the season so long. Man,
Speaker 2: I want to say that it will eventually even itself out.
Speaker 2: I just think there has been This is just compounding
Speaker 2: on top of the way too early Conker Calf Champions
Speaker 2: Cup exit to a team that you should have beat,
Speaker 2: the fact that they seems like they fail to upgrade
Speaker 2: the roster necessarily in the in the spring transfer window,
Speaker 2: and they're just not a very good team right now,
Speaker 2: and they're not playing an attractive style of soccer. They
Speaker 2: are good from one box to another, they're really good.
Speaker 2: But once you're once oursel is tasked with defending, either
Speaker 2: in emergency scenarios or in real time, not great. And
Speaker 2: once they get into the opponent's final third, yikes, man,
Speaker 2: I mean, like is it is dire straits and I
Speaker 2: don't know if there's going to be a solution on
Speaker 2: the horizon.
Speaker 1: All right, so excuse me. We will now move over
Speaker 1: to the primary transfer window that closes today. So essentially
Speaker 1: you just have to have some paperwork across the final
Speaker 1: you know, the final dotted line in order to add pieces.
Speaker 1: You don't actually have to announce everything today, So maybe
Speaker 1: we'll hear some things that we have not heard so far.
Speaker 1: But we will talk about the player that, according to
Speaker 1: our guy Tom Bogert, RSL has added a player. Then
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the player that they're not going to add.
Speaker 1: So we'll move on now to William Is it Agatta?
Speaker 2: Nailed it?
Speaker 1: I was afraid that g might be silent. You never know.
Speaker 1: I call him Willie, no big deal, twenty five years old.
Speaker 1: He is a striker. He comes to RSL from Sporting KC.
Speaker 1: Let's see, has he played much this year? Doesn't look
Speaker 1: like he's played a ton this year. I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about him. What do you know about the player
Speaker 1: that RSL has According to Tom, this is the player
Speaker 1: that they're bringing in.
Speaker 2: A band aid? Safe to say, I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a what was your guy who ended up in Brazil?
Speaker 2: Elias Manuel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Elias Dawel same okay, same type thing, gotcha.
Speaker 2: This is a band aid if there ever was a
Speaker 2: band aid. It is a guy who scored goals for
Speaker 2: some of the worst Sporting Kansas City teams in recent memory.
Speaker 2: And they needed to do something. But clearly they had
Speaker 2: a plan B after your guy who will never get
Speaker 2: to see the number nine shirt Robert Bosanique. After that
Speaker 2: transfer apparently has fallen through in epic fashion.
Speaker 1: So Willie, our guy, our new RSLUS stats this year
Speaker 1: he has played in six games with one start, ninety
Speaker 1: six minutes, played five as a sub, with zero goals
Speaker 1: and zero assists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there we go.
Speaker 1: Yep, looks like he has six career goals for Sporting
Speaker 1: casey if I'm reading this correctly.
Speaker 2: No, I think he's somewhere around like twenty ish twenty three.
Speaker 1: He had six last year. There you go, my bad.
Speaker 1: All right, So twenty five year old striker on the way,
Speaker 1: Williegatta my guy, Willie. So to your point, let's move
Speaker 1: over now to the player that was announced that had
Speaker 1: agreed to terms. But now this deal is off. So
Speaker 1: as of yesterday, and I talked to John about this,
Speaker 1: I talked to you about this last week, the reports
Speaker 1: where RSL was bringing in Bosnik Bosaniqu excuse me from
Speaker 1: this Portuguese club that apparently is not necessarily operated at
Speaker 1: the highest level with business acumen. So the deal is off.
Speaker 1: According to Tom, and Robert was here toward the facilities
Speaker 1: past as physical, past as physical. They apparently had agreed
Speaker 1: to terms. They were just waiting for the signature of
Speaker 1: the dotted line. Educate us a little bit. What's the
Speaker 1: deal with his club that apparently is really tough to
Speaker 1: do business with?
Speaker 2: Well, boa Vista for the MLS Sikos is a club
Speaker 2: that originally signed a young talented outside back named Reggie
Speaker 2: Cannon from FC Dallas, rose through the American ranks, and
Speaker 2: proceeded to not pay Reggie his wages while he was
Speaker 2: over there, And there have been multiple reports of Boa
Speaker 2: Vista not paying transfer fees for players and just basically
Speaker 2: is a club that you shouldn't try to get into
Speaker 2: business with in the first place. And I think that's
Speaker 2: the thirty thousand view point of this spence is, like,
Speaker 2: clearly RSL got desperate enough to find a player that
Speaker 2: they liked at a price point that meant what they
Speaker 2: were currently shopping at, and unfortunately it seemed to be
Speaker 2: at a club that has very difficult financial situations. I
Speaker 2: think Tom reported at some point in the last couple
Speaker 2: of weeks that like they forgot to pay their electrical
Speaker 2: bill at their training facility. I'm not kidding, So, like, listen,
Speaker 2: this was a this is a byproduct of not being
Speaker 2: able to secure a transformational player when you need one.
Speaker 2: This is something that should have probably been tackled in
Speaker 2: the winter time, or at least had a head start.
Speaker 2: And I note there is a multitude of layers to
Speaker 2: this conversation. This isn't on any one person. I think
Speaker 2: this is a byproduct of having your star player decide
Speaker 2: he needed to go in the blink of an eye,
Speaker 2: having the pseudo band aid replacement decide he wanted to
Speaker 2: go to Brazil. You're coming up against a transfer window
Speaker 2: that didn't go your way, you have ownership change floating overhead.
Speaker 2: But Robert Bosanique is not the type of player you
Speaker 2: need to necessarily break the bank for. Like he is
Speaker 2: a guy that, by all accounts, was going to come
Speaker 2: in for anywhere from like two to three million dollars.
Speaker 2: And he's, you know, a young guy get some caps
Speaker 2: for the Slovakian national team, but hasn't scored a ton
Speaker 2: of goals. And this is what I've been telling you,
Speaker 2: Like RCEL, if they're going to kind of rediscover the
Speaker 2: the flare and the style and the success that they
Speaker 2: had last year, they have to go out and find
Speaker 2: somebody and pay a lot of money in order to
Speaker 2: get them to come here and want to be the
Speaker 2: tip of the spear. But Bosanique isn't the guy that
Speaker 2: you should necessarily overpay for. I've been told that Boa
Speaker 2: Vista's executives changed the terms last minute. Tom reported the
Speaker 2: same thing, So like, what are they like? Why? I
Speaker 2: get that you're up against it the eleventh hour, but
Speaker 2: I think this is a learning lesson for everybody involved
Speaker 2: that you got to figure out who you're dealing with
Speaker 2: and who you're getting into business with when you're up
Speaker 2: against you know, such a tight window.
Speaker 1: Let me clean this up a little bit. So William again,
Speaker 1: I call him Willie, Willie Goles? Willy? Is that why
Speaker 1: they call him Willie?
Speaker 2: That's what you're going to call him?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Who was the who was that?
Speaker 2: Who was? Oh?
Speaker 1: Is Johnny Menendez? When Trey was like, we're going to
Speaker 1: Johnny Goles and he literally scored a goal, so I
Speaker 1: started and call him Johnny Gole and that best tray
Speaker 1: off because then they had to get rid of him.
Speaker 1: Uh So, so Willi Goles, you know what, We'll roll
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: His career in Sporting Kansas City last year was his
Speaker 1: best year. He played thirty two games, started twenty had
Speaker 1: ten goals three assists. For his career four years in
Speaker 1: Kansas City twenty one goals, five assists, sixty four games played,
Speaker 1: thirty eight starts. So it appears that he's more of
Speaker 1: like a is there an Anderson Julio parallel, like a
Speaker 1: fast dude that comes in off the bench.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched that much of Willy goals, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, but he strikes me as the type
Speaker 2: of player that probably had an Anderson type role at
Speaker 2: Sporting Kansas.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm smiling because we're calling him Willi goles.
Speaker 1: He hasn't scored this year. It's like when everybody called
Speaker 1: Royce O'Neil buckets, Well that was his Twitter handle, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he couldn't shoot.
Speaker 2: Self anointed a little better, yeah, but he.
Speaker 1: Still couldn't shoot. It was Royce. It was like bucket bucket,
Speaker 1: O'Neil Johnny Gole speaking of excuse me, Willie goals. But
Speaker 1: speaking of Johnny, let's move over to the other rumor,
Speaker 1: Johnny Russell, who looks like he enjoys himself a pint.
Speaker 1: He's a Scottish player who played at Derby County and
Speaker 1: then played at Sporting Kansas City, let's see, for about
Speaker 1: six years, but has not played. He's been without a
Speaker 1: club this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was one of their best players for a
Speaker 2: long time. Okay. He was there while they were still
Speaker 2: pretty good, and then he was there when they got
Speaker 2: pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Okay. So according to Tom RSLs and talks to bring
Speaker 1: in Johnny Russell, thirty.
Speaker 2: Five year old guy, left footed winger, once upon a
Speaker 2: time was one of the best wingers in the league.
Speaker 2: Looks like he can enjoy a pint.
Speaker 1: He's a scott He's a Scottish.
Speaker 2: I've been seeing what kind of form or fitness level
Speaker 2: Johnny Russell is currently in. But when you haven't played
Speaker 2: for a while, maybe he needs to get into the gym.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I looking at this window, this team clearly needs some leaders,
Speaker 2: some voices in the locker room, because watching this team,
Speaker 2: it's like watching a bunch of passengers. Man Like, nobody
Speaker 2: wants to take the game by the scruff of the
Speaker 2: next way to describe it does sometimes, But I think
Speaker 2: if you're the opposition, you do your best to just
Speaker 2: try to take him out of it tactically, and then
Speaker 2: other than that, who is going to impose, who's gonna
Speaker 2: impose themselves? Who's going to and still fear in the
Speaker 2: opposing defense like half a cabral It's been great. But
Speaker 2: like there's a reason why a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: give goalkeepers the armband because they're so oftentimes sixty yards away.
Speaker 2: Like you need somebody in the thick of things. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you need a a Kyle Beckerman type
Speaker 2: personality or.
Speaker 1: A happy birthday to the captain. By the way, Kyle's
Speaker 1: birthday today?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 4: It is?
Speaker 2: How old is Kyle now? I think he's a little
Speaker 2: bit older than me. I's the thirty thirty nine.
Speaker 1: Probably he's probably looking at forty. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's on it, he's probably looking at it.
Speaker 2: You don't you don't need a Kyle, you don't. I
Speaker 2: mean you need a bunch of like grab a voice,
Speaker 2: you know, you need a beltran dirty, you need you
Speaker 2: need a Chris Winger, like you need somebody to lead
Speaker 2: the locker room. And there's They're a young team, man, Listen,
Speaker 2: they're a very young team. And I and I just
Speaker 2: I would describe it like it's a it's a it's
Speaker 2: a team that's filled with passengers and nobody wants to
Speaker 2: get behind the wheel.
Speaker 1: So the transfer window closes today, Chris uh. The forwards
Speaker 1: will be Ari pol Willie Goles, my guy Forrester, who
Speaker 1: I think is now with the development the Monarchs, yep,
Speaker 1: our guy Berea. So is are they screwed? I mean
Speaker 1: it's a season lost if these are the strikers. We've
Speaker 1: seen nothing to indicate anyone on the roster is able
Speaker 1: to finish consistently. You know, Forrester has good physical traits,
Speaker 1: the touch has been off and he's out.
Speaker 2: He's a developmental guy, right, I think Ari is too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can make that argument.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like what are we doing here? Does it
Speaker 1: feel like this is going to be a lost year
Speaker 1: for ourselves? It does?
Speaker 2: So, it does, And I think to that sucks to
Speaker 2: sound pretty dire. Like I think there were last years
Speaker 2: quote unquote and the tail end of the Deloy year
Speaker 2: slash when the league took over. But people forget that,
Speaker 2: like those teams had Jimir cry Lock, Jefferson, Jefferson Savarino,
Speaker 2: Albert Rusnak like guys who were really really good and
Speaker 2: that team doesn't have anybody to that caliber right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one more thing here before we break. I reference this.
Speaker 1: Even though the transfer portal officially closes today, there have
Speaker 1: been plenty of examples in the past, dating all the
Speaker 1: way back to the Garth years, where some things actually
Speaker 1: did take place and transpire. Uh not officially after the
Speaker 1: window closed, but they had like the paperwork done that
Speaker 1: they need they later in the week. All right, So
Speaker 1: there's that possibility is still out there.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, I believe it's our time. It's like ten
Speaker 2: fifty nine Mountain is when that is when deals need
Speaker 2: to be submitted to the league. You know, everything buttoned
Speaker 2: up so you could see deals coming in the ensuing days,
Speaker 2: But it sounds like they'll end up being domestic deals,
Speaker 2: like with with your guy Willie Goles if the Johnny
Speaker 2: Russell thing goes through. I know Rsel is in line
Speaker 2: on another potential player in the league, but like nothing
Speaker 2: is going to blow the fans away.
Speaker 1: Let me just kick the tires on this before we break,
Speaker 1: because Tom Bogert sends out, I feel so bad for
Speaker 1: the play here. Robert Bosanique really wanted the move completed.
Speaker 1: His medical on Tuesday, has been at the facility today too.
Speaker 1: He was going to get a nice pay raise. Now
Speaker 1: he's the one left holding the bag because Boavista went
Speaker 1: back on the agreement. Do you think there's any chance
Speaker 1: this is resurrected at all or does it feel like
Speaker 1: it's totally dead.
Speaker 2: If you're RSL, there's no way you can go back
Speaker 2: and work with these guys unless they unless Robert and
Speaker 2: his representation and the club that basically screwed you said yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll sell him for even cheaper. But I think like
Speaker 2: you have to flush this thing and never go back.
Speaker 2: All right, well, Chris, Chris will give us the truth.
Speaker 2: He will shoot us straight. I told you this a
Speaker 2: month ago. And if these things take so long and
Speaker 2: they take, it's so hard to get them over the line.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for RSEL, they have to learn this is a
Speaker 2: harsh learning lesson that you have to figure out who
Speaker 2: you're really willing to go down these types of paths with.
Speaker 1: It is official. RSL sent out the announcement. Rayel Salleke
Speaker 1: acquire strike striker Willie Agata from Sporting cant A City
Speaker 1: not around Here's Willy Coles. All right, we'll catch a
Speaker 1: break coming up next transfer Portal college football. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are mad. We'll talk some college football, Chris,
Speaker 1: is this your selection?
Speaker 2: Porter?
Speaker 1: Or is this another one from c K? He doubled
Speaker 1: it up. Oh, but this is from a TV show,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Let's get his mic on its Oh man,
Speaker 1: it is. What's the name of the song?
Speaker 2: Porter?
Speaker 1: A little on the Wings of Love? On the Wings
Speaker 1: of Love was on a television program in the eighties,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, now, I was, oh, this is
Speaker 1: a great song. I'm so glad you as I haven't
Speaker 1: heard this in years. We should just do.
Speaker 2: Exclusive eighties one hit wonders anytime I'm on It's basically
Speaker 2: any day of the show.
Speaker 1: Is this yacht rock? Officially?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, Jeffrey Osborne, Yeah, On.
Speaker 1: The Wings of Love was on a television program. You
Speaker 1: know what I realized?
Speaker 2: I think it was on The Bachelor spin So you
Speaker 2: might have been caught.
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely don't watch The Bacher. If I did,
Speaker 1: I would tell you. I mean, I still watch Laguna
Speaker 1: Beach in the Hills. I'm not you know, We've talked
Speaker 1: about Yeah, I'm not one that is a snob about
Speaker 1: what I watch. I was having dinner with somebody the
Speaker 1: other day and I revealed that I was born in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight. It is wild when the youngs find
Speaker 1: out that you were born in the seventies. I was
Speaker 1: I'm a child the seventy I was born in seventy eight.
Speaker 1: It feels like that makes me very very old these days.
Speaker 2: Well, you should be proud. You're part of the You're
Speaker 2: part of the best generation.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and i've you know, the only
Speaker 1: thing I have over you is that you covet the
Speaker 1: fact that I'm a gen xer because you are an
Speaker 1: older millennial.
Speaker 2: Correct, how old do you know? I turned thirty nine.
Speaker 1: When's your birthday? December? Oh, that's right, you were a
Speaker 1: December birthday. Yep, all right, Chris. The transferport on college
Speaker 1: football is open closes on Friday. Twitter mostly is comprised
Speaker 1: of mentally old people throwing their feces at each other.
Speaker 1: But you've got Utah fans and Utah I'll use an
Speaker 1: air quotes reporters talking about BYU messing with Utah players
Speaker 1: and tampering and such, and then PYU fans throwing their
Speaker 1: feces back at Utah fans is tampering even a thing
Speaker 1: right now? When there are no rules and regulations and
Speaker 1: you're just doing whatever you have to do to acquire talent.
Speaker 2: No, but can I take a quick non sequitur?
Speaker 1: Please? Do we love non sequiturs on the show? Well,
Speaker 1: I guess it's more of a secuitder Okay, we love
Speaker 1: those too. When I was a kid living in the
Speaker 1: Bay Area, we used to go to the San Francisco Zoo,
Speaker 1: great zoo by the way.
Speaker 2: And one time class field trip, very vivid, like second
Speaker 2: third grade, the chimps just launching it man full send Okay,
Speaker 2: like you would think that these guys were getting scouted
Speaker 2: by the pros, like full on, thirty forty feet, just
Speaker 2: launching it. So yeah, so it's a good analogy. And
Speaker 2: that's basically yes, that basically yes.
Speaker 1: What I've realized about Twitter, truly mentally ill people throwing
Speaker 1: feces are nothing that benefits me ever from going on there,
Speaker 1: but creature of habit. And I still I go to
Speaker 1: like specific accounts if I want news, like my algorithms
Speaker 1: messed up the four you feed. I'm like that, none
Speaker 1: of that's for me. But where we're at now, until
Speaker 1: there are rules or regulations in place, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's even such a thing as tampering, Like that's not
Speaker 1: even real because you're allowed to do whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do. Transfer portal opens, you can contact whoever you want.
Speaker 2: There are no rules. The only rules are whether you
Speaker 2: make it into the portal before the cutoff date. That's
Speaker 2: basically it correct. And if we really want to drill
Speaker 2: down on this, should we drill?
Speaker 1: But let's grind and drill.
Speaker 2: This is a peak into the paranoid subconscious of a
Speaker 2: fan base that is afraid that they are backsliding or
Speaker 2: devolving into the days that they felt like we're gone forever.
Speaker 2: This is the Utah fan base paranoid that BYU is
Speaker 2: going to rise again.
Speaker 1: Or has risen, has risen? Shout out Easter Sunday.
Speaker 2: And this this is a bipro. I mean, like, listen, man,
Speaker 2: I I've lived here for a long time. I went
Speaker 2: to the U. Some of my best friends, closest friends
Speaker 2: in the world went to BYU. Like we are in
Speaker 2: it together. We talk about the intermachinations of both fan bases.
Speaker 2: Utah fans are scared, and that's okay, But if you're
Speaker 2: going to exist in the cesspool, you need to understand that, Like,
Speaker 2: that's what where all of this is coming from. There
Speaker 2: is the they're upset because of BYU. If it was
Speaker 2: any other school, I promise you they wouldn't be making
Speaker 2: as much of a fuss. If Keanu Tanavasa decided to
Speaker 2: go to Stanford or USC or Oregon or Michigan, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't have cared a single bit compared to him going
Speaker 2: to BYU. This is a byproduct of Utah fans being afraid.
Speaker 2: And that's the reality. And until you wrap your mind
Speaker 2: around the fact that there are no rules, just chill,
Speaker 2: man and listen. I can say this because I know
Speaker 2: I went to school there. I've been around Utah fans
Speaker 2: for a long time. This is the inferiority complex playing
Speaker 2: out in real time. People are up in arms about
Speaker 2: a dude who has six catches. What are we doing? Man?
Speaker 2: This is and I'm going to go back, like the
Speaker 2: thirty thousand viewpoint of this whole thing is like, this
Speaker 2: is Utah failing to build a wide receiver room. This
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with Zach Williams. This is this
Speaker 2: is this is a fundamental failure once again for Utah
Speaker 2: to have really good wide receivers and the fact that
Speaker 2: people are freaking out that a kid who maybe had
Speaker 2: a good spring, like people saying, oh, he had a
Speaker 2: good spring game, so we're going to we're going to
Speaker 2: blame the spring game. The lengths that people will go
Speaker 2: to to find a boogeyman Spence is.
Speaker 1: Wild, Yeah it is. And you know it's funny you
Speaker 1: reference the whole like undercurrent of fear for YOUT fans
Speaker 1: when it comes to the rivalry at some point swinging
Speaker 1: back around because dud for years and years and years,
Speaker 1: when you know, coach McBride builds it up, Urban takes
Speaker 1: it over. And this two year straight to the moon,
Speaker 1: the two year Urban Meyer Boom Utah football is different
Speaker 1: instantly Pac twelve coach with generation of youth dominance throughout
Speaker 1: the entire throughout the entire thing. Like every year, like
Speaker 1: all right, we'll send out a tweet about the winning
Speaker 1: streak eight straight nines, whatever it was, ten and to years.
Speaker 1: I would say on air, like, you guys know this
Speaker 1: won't last because all this stuff is cyclical, and maintaining
Speaker 1: dominance over your rival in any sport, on any level,
Speaker 1: never lasts all that long. It was pretty remarkable that
Speaker 1: after I think there was just like Lavelle Stretch was
Speaker 1: like twenty one and two against Utah. And so when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, certainly, if Utah made it close,
Speaker 1: that felt like a win. And then you get the
Speaker 1: occasional Eddie Johnson, you.
Speaker 2: Know, the occasional wild game, right right, and that was.
Speaker 1: Like an amazing upset that put the win in the
Speaker 1: sales of Ute fans. But it was BYU dominating Utah
Speaker 1: football forever. And so if you're a Utah football fan
Speaker 1: that's a little bit older, you remember that, and that's
Speaker 1: that's a place you never want to go to again.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that you know football fans my
Speaker 1: son's age, you know, twenty two to twenty three and
Speaker 1: younger only know this Ute generation of dominance. It does
Speaker 1: kind of dissuade from the fact that there are these
Speaker 1: youth fans that are older that have enjoyed the past
Speaker 1: twenty years or whatever, but have always thought like, what
Speaker 1: if we go back to the way it was when
Speaker 1: I was growing up? And what if Kalani gets this
Speaker 1: thing ticking? And I think the main fear, at least
Speaker 1: the question I get from a lot of people is
Speaker 1: when Kyle's done, what is it going to look like?
Speaker 1: Because I think Kyle's established this generation. He was the
Speaker 1: guy I've always said the two biggest days of Utah
Speaker 1: football as far as their generational dominance over their arrival
Speaker 1: and their relative success when it comes to other football
Speaker 1: programs in the PAC twelve, certainly when they won championships.
Speaker 1: The two biggest days were when the Pac twelve invite
Speaker 1: came and when Kyle said no it was Alma Matern
Speaker 1: Yes to Utah. Those are the two biggest days that
Speaker 1: have led us to this space where of course b
Speaker 1: YU got him last year, but it has been a
Speaker 1: generation of Utah football dominance. But there has been this
Speaker 1: undercurrent of anxiety that will this thing flip and we're
Speaker 1: back to the way it was when Lavelle was the
Speaker 1: head coach, and that ultimately leads to the over the
Speaker 1: top reactions when BYU poaches a Utah football player or
Speaker 1: whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But how are we defining poaching? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like that?
Speaker 2: What people are failing to realize is that before NIL,
Speaker 2: before the transfer portal, players were moving back and forth
Speaker 2: between these two programs every single year. Some of the
Speaker 2: best BYU players in recent memory went to Utah. Some
Speaker 2: of the best Utah players in recent memory went to BYU.
Speaker 2: Francis Bernard great player BYU comes to Utah, helps them win,
Speaker 2: goes to the NFL. Just first name of off to
Speaker 2: my head. There are so many other players like that.
Speaker 2: Samson Nakua played at Utah, helped them win a Pack
Speaker 2: twelve title goes to b Why you played with play
Speaker 2: with his brother? It is I yeah, I mean you
Speaker 2: hit the nail on it. It is a fundamental fear
Speaker 2: that you know, the the opposition, the dread arrival is
Speaker 2: is has amassed the amount of support that they have
Speaker 2: and maybe your your side hasn't. But we we got
Speaker 2: a chill man. We this is and a lot of
Speaker 2: this comes down to I don't know if we have
Speaker 2: time for you know, you know my main my main
Speaker 2: thing in life is wanting to expand media literacy across
Speaker 2: the across the globe, to the to the youngs, especially
Speaker 2: to people who live on the internet. This is also
Speaker 2: a byproduct of this is you always need to double
Speaker 2: and triple and sometimes quadruple check where you're getting your
Speaker 2: information online because I know a lot of people aren't
Speaker 2: fans of the media world right now, but just proceed
Speaker 2: with caution. Let's just say that because everybody, not everybody,
Speaker 2: most people have ulterior motives when it comes to this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, and I also just think, and I know we've
Speaker 1: been over this in the past, but every time a
Speaker 1: situation like this takes place, and this happens at both
Speaker 1: by U and Utah, there are fans reporting on this
Speaker 1: stuff like emotional fans correct where you'll you'll see these
Speaker 1: people on the sidelines like jumping around and celebrating Utah
Speaker 1: scores a touchdown. They're jumping with the players in the
Speaker 1: end zone. BYU scores a touchdown and they're literally celebrating
Speaker 1: in the scrum with the players and coaches. And these
Speaker 1: are the people reporting on what's happening. Can we throw
Speaker 1: air quotes reporting what's happening with both these schools and
Speaker 1: again it is both. They're like the ecosystem of propaganda
Speaker 1: coming from BYU where they own BYU TV, and they
Speaker 1: march these supposed journalists out on TV every day to
Speaker 1: you know, to to to commentate on the state of
Speaker 1: the program and report what's actually going on. These are
Speaker 1: BYU employees and they are BYU super fans. They are
Speaker 1: goobs and it's the same thing that is happening with
Speaker 1: cer people that are covering Utah football that are just fans,
Speaker 1: it is all, and they want to be in the
Speaker 1: good graces of the coaches and the administrators. They don't
Speaker 1: give a rip about bringing accurate information to people. They
Speaker 1: just want to send something out and then hopefully Morgan
Speaker 1: Scalley reads their tweet and was like, yes, I love
Speaker 1: that guy, or hopefully Jay Hill is watching BYU TV.
Speaker 1: And these quasi media members that are simply propagating information
Speaker 1: from the university. They just want to endear themselves. They
Speaker 1: want to be They're not on the team they want
Speaker 1: to be. They're not in the locker room they want
Speaker 1: to be. They want to be part of the program
Speaker 1: they don't want to be part of like actual journalistic
Speaker 1: integrity where they're bringing real information to people.
Speaker 2: And this is not specific to Utah or BYU. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: this is a This is this is a permeating issue
Speaker 2: at Division one colleges and frankly in professional sports nationwide.
Speaker 1: It comes down to a question, what do what do
Speaker 1: fans want?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: What do people want? What does the average Utah fan want?
Speaker 1: What does the average BYU fan want? Do they want
Speaker 1: the echo chamber where they just fed what they already
Speaker 1: believe or did they actually want the truth?
Speaker 2: No, they want they want the echo chamber, and they're
Speaker 2: ready to unsheed their swords when anybody comes along and
Speaker 2: maybe says otherwise. And that is that is human nature.
Speaker 2: That is a I mean you talk to you talk
Speaker 2: to the goat Spencer Hall all the time about tribalism
Speaker 2: and like why college football is so unique compared to
Speaker 2: really any other sport. It's impact and its overall effect
Speaker 2: on people resonates differently than I think a lot of
Speaker 2: professional sports because a lot of it is so much
Speaker 2: more community driven. It is you've invested time and money,
Speaker 2: You've sat time, you wasted time and classes in the
Speaker 2: library and the study hall. You've paid thousands of dollars
Speaker 2: to get a piece of paper from this you know,
Speaker 2: respective university, wherever you went. And yeah, you like going
Speaker 2: to football games, and football games are fun when your
Speaker 2: team wins. But we are now to the point where
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot needs to be done in order
Speaker 2: to properly get the point across on who is independent,
Speaker 2: who is bringing information from two sides of the story
Speaker 2: not just one, because that is also a huge part
Speaker 2: of this as well. It's like you may have somebody
Speaker 2: on staff who's telling you to do something and you know,
Speaker 2: feeding you information, and that's going to be one sided.
Speaker 2: And your job, if you are a independent reporter, is
Speaker 2: to verify that. And a lot of times, most of
Speaker 2: the time, now I would say that that's not happening.
Speaker 1: You know, back to the whole dynamic of the the
Speaker 1: the undercurrent of fear permeating throughout a fan base. I
Speaker 1: just think, and I don't know this, this is my opinion,
Speaker 1: hence me saying it into a microphone on a radio show.
Speaker 1: I also think there's a lot of fear among the
Speaker 1: Utah fan base of what the Io Collective in Provo
Speaker 1: has to offer and what the Royal Blue Collective or
Speaker 1: whatever the hell that is. You know, when you hear
Speaker 1: seven million dollars for a j the banter for five
Speaker 1: months of basketball, when Robert Wright signs a million dollar
Speaker 1: contract to play basketball at Baylor and b WYU triples
Speaker 1: it though, well, come on, I mean, like, let's let's
Speaker 1: be adults here, Okay, let's be grown ups. Like again,
Speaker 1: they're gonna say what they say, but you have to
Speaker 1: kind of read between the lines and actually be authentic
Speaker 1: and truthful about what really is going on. It is
Speaker 1: about the money, and I do think for a Utah fan,
Speaker 1: the fear is and what I've been told is b
Speaker 1: WHYU currently has nine seven figure donors and Utah has two,
Speaker 1: and the two that Utah has it's not hard to
Speaker 1: figure out their names around buildings. So I do think
Speaker 1: there's also a fear that maybe Utah financially is not
Speaker 1: in a place to keep up with Brigham Young. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. I don't have numbers.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. You might be in a much
Speaker 1: better place with their collective, the Crimson Collective, than I
Speaker 1: have any idea about and BYU maybe it isn't in
Speaker 1: a place where they're collective. I'm just drawing conclusions here
Speaker 1: because at least on the basketball side, BYU's riding massive checks.
Speaker 1: Now on the football side, it's hard to know. Because
Speaker 1: after BYU springball wrapped up Harrison Taggart, really good starting linebacker,
Speaker 1: Keelan Marion, really good wide receiver, All American returner, they
Speaker 1: both hit the transfer portal, and then the Tribunes report
Speaker 1: about the bro whoever, whoever the bro is that runs
Speaker 1: the BYU Royal Blue collective, the MLM Bro whoever that
Speaker 1: guy is, you shout out to our guy keV holding
Speaker 1: the meeting last year and basically dressing down the roster
Speaker 1: saying we're cutting your pay because you had a bad year.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if the football program receives the
Speaker 1: same nil that the basketball program does. But I think
Speaker 1: from a Utah fan perspective, another portion of the fear
Speaker 1: that is driving these reactions because you're you what you
Speaker 1: don't know and the emotional reactions online of people that
Speaker 1: are just horribly behaved, it is a byproduct of what
Speaker 1: you don't know, what you're scared of, and if you're
Speaker 1: a Utah fan, the fear is are we keeping up
Speaker 1: financially with the other programs across the country, namely the
Speaker 1: one that's forty miles down south.
Speaker 2: I would say it's predominantly just that one. Honestly, Like
Speaker 2: I said, if this was any other school, I don't
Speaker 2: think there would be as much of a social media uprising,
Speaker 2: so to speak. I just really don't until there is
Speaker 2: a set rules set, you know, rules and regulations in place,
Speaker 2: until there is a commissioner who can dictate what is
Speaker 2: you know, within the bounds of proper you know, uses
Speaker 2: of nil and all of this stuff. It is going
Speaker 2: to just be off the wall twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: And if you are a coach signed up for it.
Speaker 2: If you're a player, you signed up for it. If
Speaker 2: you're a fan, you need to understand that you're signing
Speaker 2: up for it too. And I think I said this
Speaker 2: like in January February, Man, like you should not be
Speaker 2: up in arms about anything until second week, third week
Speaker 2: of camp, Kyle, until you're a week away from the
Speaker 2: season opener, because you don't know what the roster's going
Speaker 2: to look like. And until then, it can change. It
Speaker 2: can change, it can change. And it's maybe hyperbolic to
Speaker 2: say that, like everybody is just trying to get through
Speaker 2: the day, but it kind of is the reality of it,
Speaker 2: like nobody really knows what's around the corner.
Speaker 1: Well and you know, yeah, so all that is correct,
Speaker 1: And I will add this, I think back to the
Speaker 1: whole like, hey, I was told that it wasn't about
Speaker 1: the money. Like when you hear things like XBYU athletes
Speaker 1: going on radio shows and saying we don't outbid ts,
Speaker 1: we out love them, we out develop them, and we
Speaker 1: outserve them, and you're like, dude, shut up.
Speaker 2: The former editor of The Desert News, Clark Gilbert, tweeted,
Speaker 2: who's now like some guy at like BYU Idaho like
Speaker 2: made a stink about how BYU is not in the
Speaker 2: business of paying players.
Speaker 1: But it's stuff like that that is so offensive because
Speaker 1: don't tell me that I'm not seeing what I'm seeing,
Speaker 1: Like you're basically Steve Bannon and you're muddying the waters
Speaker 1: and you're flooding the zone with misinformation to distract people
Speaker 1: from what's actually going on. It's the same thing. Don't
Speaker 1: do that, And I do think that's where a lot
Speaker 1: of the vitriol comes from, like this hubris and this
Speaker 1: unauthentic approach where you are lying to me about what's
Speaker 1: going on. You are outbidding teams for players and guess what,
Speaker 1: good job. Yeah, it just that's the deal.
Speaker 2: Just just admit life.
Speaker 1: You should be taking victory laps. You just don't lie
Speaker 1: about what you're taking the victory lap about. I have
Speaker 1: long said whenever when NIL became a reality, the first day,
Speaker 1: I said, you know who, this is good news for
Speaker 1: b YU. They've got a ton of rich alums that
Speaker 1: have started companies summer in jail, and they've got a
Speaker 1: ton of rich alums. Then yes, shout out to the bull.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna a ten alphacon this year? I'll go
Speaker 1: if you go, I'll go for sure, I'll go if
Speaker 1: Meg comes with us.
Speaker 2: How long will it take for me to get kicked out?
Speaker 1: Oh, you'll be kicked out immediately.
Speaker 2: I don't even think they let me through the door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might not get in. I can dress the part, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can figure it out. Okay, I can pretend like
Speaker 1: I belong.
Speaker 2: To and maybe pluck the eyebrows a little bit.
Speaker 1: Cut the hair, probably short, do some some spikes, probably
Speaker 1: some creatine, a little skinny right.
Speaker 2: Now, you know, Bulk up protein powder, max out.
Speaker 1: Three credit cards to rent a Hummer or something for
Speaker 1: the weekend. Indeed, but BYU has a lot of alums
Speaker 1: that have started companies that have made a lot of money,
Speaker 1: and a lot of alums that care about sports. Sound there,
Speaker 1: and I said a ton a lot. Like as soon
Speaker 1: as those guys want to open up their wallet, they
Speaker 1: will be able to get anybody who just cares about
Speaker 1: money and wants to get paid. And most of these
Speaker 1: young athletes, they want to get paid. A. J. Devants
Speaker 1: is not pumped about swig. He's pumped about seven million dollars.
Speaker 1: As we talked about. You know again, I don't know
Speaker 1: if the football program is receiving the same nil that
Speaker 1: the basketball program is, but BYU is winning in that
Speaker 1: space right now. Just lean into it and stop telling
Speaker 1: people that they're not seeing what they're seeing. And I
Speaker 1: do think that adds to the whole pushback that BYU
Speaker 1: fans get.
Speaker 2: It's also very like I'm going to go I'm going
Speaker 2: to go big time cultural here. It's very state of
Speaker 2: Utah like smile to your face, but kind.
Speaker 1: Of stab you in the back, passive aggressive.
Speaker 2: Right like it is so on brand that it is
Speaker 2: kind of like coming out the years. Basically, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: all I say.
Speaker 1: All right, last thing, The fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: you tosk out work to do, say what you want
Speaker 1: about Zach Williams lack of production, to lean into about
Speaker 1: what he could be. I think most people felt like
Speaker 1: he was gonna be wide receiver one and he's gone.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: We just talked about RSLs and ability to get difference
Speaker 1: makers across the line prior to today. If Utah doesn't
Speaker 1: add a couple of wide receivers prior to Friday, what's
Speaker 1: the fall gonna look like? Inn Big Willie Goles catch,
Speaker 1: I don't know, left to see. They need help, Chris,
Speaker 1: they need.
Speaker 2: They need help. I know some of the Portal bros
Speaker 2: have you know, tweeted that they have like a guy
Speaker 2: from McNee state coming to visit sick. We don't listen.
Speaker 2: We never knew what it was going to look like anyways,
Speaker 2: So anybody again, anybody who was telling you that this
Speaker 2: offense was going to be historic was lying to you.
Speaker 2: And who knows, maybe Jason Beck finds a way to
Speaker 2: incorporate all the new running backs or finds a way
Speaker 2: to incorporate the tight ends that so many people thought
Speaker 2: the death of twelve personnel was was gone forever. Maybe not.
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll maybe it's been resurrected. But the reality is
Speaker 2: you have to look at brass tax and brass taxes.
Speaker 2: They have a guy who played it Utah State Auto
Speaker 2: Tia local kid. I think he statistically had the most
Speaker 2: you know, touchdowns last year currently on the on the
Speaker 2: Utah roster. Then he had seven. The kid from New
Speaker 2: Mexico had like seven hundred yards. The dude from Mississippi
Speaker 2: State creed forget his last Namemore.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: These are all guys who were playing the role of
Speaker 2: you know, supplementary players where they came from. I just
Speaker 2: don't know if these are guys that are going to
Speaker 2: be able to come in and be the types of
Speaker 2: leaders statistically that Utah needs. And who knows again, nobody,
Speaker 2: anybody that tells you they've been grinding. Jason Beck tape
Speaker 2: from New Mexico's lying to you. So just take a breath.
Speaker 2: If you need a libation, take it. If you need
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Speaker 1: The sponge drift sounds lovely right now. Just so you know,
Speaker 1: twelve personnel never dies on this show. Chris, Great to
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