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<v Speaker 1>Get tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the games scheduled tonight was circled by the

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<v Speaker 2>Great American in August. I said, it's going to be exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>There'll be in Dallas Monday night football. Dallas will be

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<v Speaker 2>poting for the lead in the NFC East, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course the Bengals will be right there and the AFC

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<v Speaker 2>North and away we go. But things didn't turn out

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<v Speaker 2>that way. But Mo, Hagar, welcome again to the Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Mo, how are you? I'm great, Willie, how are you well?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all upset. I'm angry.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because tonight's game doesn't have the significance it should it.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get to that, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, mathematically, mathematically, this is a possible Super Bowl preview.

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<v Speaker 1>What year? I mean now?

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<v Speaker 3>Mathematically, yes, both these teams are still alive for the postseason.

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<v Speaker 2>So if Dallas wins the rest of their games, Bengals

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<v Speaker 2>win the rest of their games, and all the opponents

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<v Speaker 2>possibly they match up against loose the rest of their games.

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<v Speaker 2>It's possible. It's mathematically, I said, possible. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Parker. Yes, the Cobra tell me great news for him,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have a lot of cuts coming up later,

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<v Speaker 2>But tell me about Dave Parker's worthiness for the Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, to me, two players got induction that made me

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<v Speaker 3>push for his candidacy. One was Harold Bains. Harold Bain's

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<v Speaker 3>terrific player, got to three thousand hits, was a D

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<v Speaker 3>eight starting the twenty seven years old. Dave Parker was

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<v Speaker 3>a better baseball player than Harold Baines. Dave Parker was

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<v Speaker 3>the ultimate five tool guy. Could hit, could hit for power,

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<v Speaker 3>could run despite his knees, could go get it in

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<v Speaker 3>right field. And I'm not sure I've seen a better

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<v Speaker 3>throwing arm. Go put on YouTube the nineteen seventy nine

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<v Speaker 3>All Star Game. It's it's majestic. So that was number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the arguments against Dave Parker was he was

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<v Speaker 3>included in the group of players who was involved in

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<v Speaker 3>the Pittsburgh drug trials.

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<v Speaker 1>I was there. Nobody knows what that those trials were

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<v Speaker 1>actually about. I was there the players, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what.

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<v Speaker 3>The players themselves were not on trial, but a number

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<v Speaker 3>of them had to testify. One of them was Dave Parker,

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<v Speaker 3>the other was Tim rays Or. One of the others

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<v Speaker 3>was Tim Rains. Tim got inducted a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>On are the arguments against Dave Parker was, well, the

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<v Speaker 3>cocaine thing, Well Tim Rains had the cocaine thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That didn't preclude him.

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<v Speaker 3>So once those two men got in and by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>both deserving Tim Rains especially, I started to rethink Dave

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<v Speaker 3>Parker's candidacy. One of the things that was held against

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<v Speaker 3>him is if you look at what should have been

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<v Speaker 3>some of his prime seasons, I believe his age thirty

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<v Speaker 3>and thirty one years he started to deal with injury,

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<v Speaker 3>so his peak was relatively short. But in the mid

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<v Speaker 3>to late seventies, I'm not sure there was a better

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<v Speaker 3>baseball player. Two time batting champion, arguably the best player

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<v Speaker 3>on the nineteen seventy nine Pirates which won the World

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<v Speaker 3>Series and then dealt with health issues, comes to Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 3>and enjoys a career revival nineteen eighty five, number two

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<v Speaker 3>in the MVP voting. One may argue he should have

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<v Speaker 3>won over Willie McGee. I think the MVP that year

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<v Speaker 3>should have been Dwight Gooden. That's neither here nor there.

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<v Speaker 3>But Dave Parker has this career resurgence in Cincinnati, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's an MLB Network special on Dave Parker that aired

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<v Speaker 3>two to two and a half years ago, and on

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<v Speaker 3>it you have men like Barry Larkin and Eric Davis

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<v Speaker 3>who talk about, Look, I was a young player, Dave

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<v Speaker 3>Parker was my teammate. This guy showed me the ways.

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<v Speaker 3>He then goes to Oakland, wins a World Series with

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<v Speaker 3>the A's in nineteen eighty nine, hits three postseason home runs,

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<v Speaker 3>plays through nineteen ninety one. So had a long career

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<v Speaker 3>and for a stretch of time in the late seventies

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<v Speaker 3>was arguably the best player in baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was a guy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think we have I think we have

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<v Speaker 3>smarter people looking at this now. Dave Parker's the highest

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<v Speaker 3>number of votes he or percentage of votes he got

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<v Speaker 3>from the writers I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Was twenty four and a half percent, ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>But we run these guys through a series of committees,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think this is good because I think it

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<v Speaker 3>provides the system of checks and balances. And the people

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<v Speaker 3>of Dave Parker's era knew that this was a guy

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<v Speaker 3>from Cincinnati who at his peak there was nobody better.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus he was one of the coolest players of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>He smoked in the dugout. He wore Adjasent's mask on

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<v Speaker 3>the field. When he broke his jaw, he stood over

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<v Speaker 3>the plate with that hulking frame. I'm not sure I've

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<v Speaker 3>seen anybody his size tower over the inside part of

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<v Speaker 3>the plate like Dave Parker.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're a picture on the mountain. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>come inside, right? No? I want to hit him. No.

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<v Speaker 3>So just I'm thrilled for him, and you and I

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<v Speaker 3>have both had him on our respective shows often over

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<v Speaker 3>the years. His Parkinson's diagnosis has you know, it's taken

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who was kind of defined by size and strength

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<v Speaker 3>and might, and it's wilton him down a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>But he still has that handshake, and he has worked

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<v Speaker 3>tirelessly to help people also dealing with and living with Parker,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that's admirable. So I am very, very

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<v Speaker 3>happy for the Colbert today.

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<v Speaker 2>In the mid eighties, when you talk to those in

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<v Speaker 2>the locker room, there was no one more dominating in

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<v Speaker 2>the locker room and in the dugout than Dave park

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, now, let's move on to tonight's game.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, twenty seven hundred hits, three hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and thirty nine homers a career two ninety batting average.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean people talk about counting stats. I mentioned he

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<v Speaker 3>led the league in ops. He legallygan slugging percentage twice.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a two time batting champion. This was a

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<v Speaker 3>hillaciously good player. Led the league in doubles, had a

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<v Speaker 3>thirty four homer season, a thirty homer season, and by

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<v Speaker 3>the way, at the age of thirty eight in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty nine, he drives in ninety seven and hits twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two homers for a team that won the World Series.

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<v Speaker 2>Not bad, pretty good, and that curt as strong stuff

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<v Speaker 2>to Caterer and Pittsburgh. I was president for the trial,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking, you know what, Dale Barra was there

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking, what is this about?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me, tell me what this is about.

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<v Speaker 2>And the prosecutor there wanted to prosecute the Caterer because

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<v Speaker 2>it allowed him to bring to Pittsburgh all these famous

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<v Speaker 2>guys and cross examined them when they were not directly

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<v Speaker 2>charged at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a great book about that. And the players

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<v Speaker 3>were lied to because they were told. And it's Tim

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<v Speaker 3>Rains Dave Parker. I think, uh, Dale Barra, Dale Barra,

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<v Speaker 3>Keith Hernandez, five or six players, well known players, and

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<v Speaker 3>they were told, all right, you'll testify, but we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>sneak in the back of the courthouse.

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<v Speaker 1>They all got the Pittsburgh what do they do?

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<v Speaker 3>Raided them in front of all these television people, and

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<v Speaker 3>they all got fined. They serve deferred suspensions, they had

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<v Speaker 3>to do community work as assigned by Peter Youberroth. But

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, forty years later, we know those players

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<v Speaker 3>did cocaine, but we don't know why they were, why

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody knows about it because who they were, that's why

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<v Speaker 2>they were in the court room.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Secondly, yeah, you know the facts a little better than

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<v Speaker 2>I do. When it comes to sports, would you agree, no,

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<v Speaker 2>Lamar Jackson, you have to benchmark the Bengals against like Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 2>I think against the last ten or twelve games, Lamar

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson's like ten and one or eleven to one to

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<v Speaker 2>the positive side, something like that. And I think with

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<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh this century, the Bengals are like four and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one at home against Pittsburgh not good. And against Cleveland

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<v Speaker 2>they have a losing record the past five years. So

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<v Speaker 2>in tonight's game should have been like unbelievable, Joe Burrows

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<v Speaker 2>having the best year any Bengals quarterbacks ever had, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about the possibility. But of all the things

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<v Speaker 2>that might have been, this year's team was three or

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<v Speaker 2>four plays from being leading the division. How sad are

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<v Speaker 2>you tonight to listen to the game tonight? Right here,

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<v Speaker 2>it's said suppressing.

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<v Speaker 3>They've scored ninety nine points over their last three games

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<v Speaker 3>and they haven't won any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me just think about that.

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<v Speaker 3>If they win two of them, If they win two

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<v Speaker 3>of those games, they're going into this game tonight six

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<v Speaker 3>and six in it, and you're looking at him, going,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, if this team can just get in offensively,

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<v Speaker 3>they've got a chance against anybody. But instead, because they

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<v Speaker 3>can't make a play on defense, so they don't make

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<v Speaker 3>a kick on special teams, or they keep wasting greatness

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<v Speaker 3>by Joe Burrow in this offense, and Joe hasn't been perfect,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's played at an MVP caliber level. Instead, they're

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<v Speaker 3>essentially playing out the string, and we should be talking

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<v Speaker 3>about them again. Just make it six and six. Take

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<v Speaker 3>any one of these games, or any two of these

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<v Speaker 3>games where they've scored a bunch of points, they win them.

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<v Speaker 3>They're six and six, Your five and a half point

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<v Speaker 3>favorite tonight against Dallas. I believe your favorite next week

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<v Speaker 3>against the Tennessee Titans. You're gonna be favorite at home

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<v Speaker 3>against the Browns, who have already been eliminated, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>you're probably gonna be favorite at home against the Denver Broncos.

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<v Speaker 3>And you go to Pittsburgh, a team that you at

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<v Speaker 3>times scored out, will on. We should be talking about

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<v Speaker 3>the home stretch here we go. Just get in and

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<v Speaker 3>you've got a chance against anybody. But because they have

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<v Speaker 3>built a historically bad defense, because they have failed in

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<v Speaker 3>so many areas to kind of take what they did

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<v Speaker 3>on defense in twenty twenty one and translated to a

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<v Speaker 3>better unit with younger players this year, this team is

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<v Speaker 3>four and eight and an avatar for wasting greatness.

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Ledwick kind of went after you and the Rock.

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<v Speaker 2>You and the Rock say it'll take years, Chuck says,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple players away. They're back next year. They're real close.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's right, Chuck? Are you and the Rock? Chuck or

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<v Speaker 2>chick Chick? I mean chick or Chuck? Well, I call

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<v Speaker 2>him Chuck like.

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<v Speaker 1>We can can they can. They be a playoff team

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<v Speaker 1>next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, but we're talking about like competing for a championship, right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the whole idea behind drafting Joe Burrow was he

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<v Speaker 3>is going to lead them to a title, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>come close. In order to do that, they need a

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<v Speaker 3>better team. How do they get a better team? Look

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<v Speaker 3>at all the areas they have to address. This is

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<v Speaker 3>the longest off season to do list they've had in

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<v Speaker 3>quite a while. Now, the good news is, regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>what the coaching staff looks like next year, regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>how you feel about the draft, what they do in

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<v Speaker 3>free agency, they've got this one amazing piece to build

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<v Speaker 1>And that's number nine.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, you've got to have a resolution to

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<v Speaker 3>the Jamar Chase thing, which is gonna cost them more

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<v Speaker 3>money now because he's having a great year. They need

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<v Speaker 3>help on the offensive line. They need help out wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 3>on the inside, need help at linebacker, need help at corner,

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<v Speaker 1>There's eight positions.

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<v Speaker 2>There's eight positions, Lodwig says, quickly turn around next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, can they address each of those positions? Yes, well,

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<v Speaker 3>they successfully address all of them enough to take this

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<v Speaker 3>team from four and eight through twelve games too.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, ten and two, nine.

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<v Speaker 2>In three Baltimore when they don't beat Baltimore, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>beat Pittsburgh, they don't beat the Browns well.

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<v Speaker 1>And they also get off to slow starts. How's that possible?

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<v Speaker 3>And so you know, think of all these things they've

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<v Speaker 3>your division, right, which they've struggled for a while, even

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<v Speaker 3>two years ago, and they ran away with the division. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 3>they were bad against the AFC North. Their slow starts

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<v Speaker 3>are an organizational narrative that you cannot avoid. Oh to

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<v Speaker 3>three this year, oh and two the year before, oh

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<v Speaker 3>and tow the year before that. How does Zach Taylor

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<v Speaker 3>balance keeping our players healthy during the offseason but getting

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<v Speaker 3>Cannot be oh and two, oh and three?

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<v Speaker 1>But like that's that's the thing we could talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>A banded schedule next year, we too, we can.

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<v Speaker 3>They had a bad schedule this year, right, They were

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<v Speaker 3>big favorites against the Patriots. They should have beaten the Commanders.

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<v Speaker 3>They should have won that game against Kansas City. They

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<v Speaker 3>did not, So we could talk about what they haven't

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<v Speaker 3>done in recent weeks. Losing to Pittsburgh, losing to the Chargers,

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<v Speaker 3>losing to the Baltimore Ravens. Those losses sting more because you're

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<v Speaker 3>back in September, So all these things have to get changed.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be more than willing to bet the Bengals

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<v Speaker 3>are a playoff team next year. Joe Burrow plays seventeen games,

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<v Speaker 3>but are the championship caliber team to go from where

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<v Speaker 3>I think is going to take more than one offseason.

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<v Speaker 2>What causes me excitement if you live in this area,

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<v Speaker 2>talk to a very high place source really in politics, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>say day is done, okay, can't happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's going to be really hard for

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Day. If they lose this game to Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're favored by eight and a half.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, now, are we really going to let's say Ohio

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<v Speaker 3>State plays for the national championship.

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<v Speaker 3>How far does he have to advance Ohio State football

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<v Speaker 3>in the playoff in order.

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<v Speaker 2>To get people in the championship game? Because okay o,

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<v Speaker 3>Dew so they could conceivably win the national championship. Course,

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<v Speaker 3>They almost beat Oregon in their building. If I'm an

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<v Speaker 3>don't feel like that game is impossible to win.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's my thing. Let's say they win the national title.

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<v Speaker 3>Does the conversation instantly become that's cool, but you're on

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<v Speaker 1>Because you haven't beat Michigan in four years. Well, here's

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<v Speaker 3>We have deflated the value of regular season games in

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<v Speaker 3>college football. Right now, you can lose three times and

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<v Speaker 3>in the regular season matter less. You no longer have

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<v Speaker 3>to go undefeated to play for a championship. You no

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<v Speaker 3>longer have to go eleven and one to play for

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<v Speaker 3>a championship. You no longer have to win a conference

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<v Speaker 3>championship to play for a championship. So we have deflated

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<v Speaker 3>the value of individual games. Yet in this one game,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in the middle of my two things. Don't mesh.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, I'm in the middle of my questions. I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't gotten to close ask your question. I'm just looking regionally.

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<v Speaker 2>The brown stink correct, Buck guys in trouble, Uh huh,

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals not good.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we care about the Browns Because I'm doing regional.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't got South yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done to the Bees, the Browns, the Buck guys,

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals. And then you got the Cincinnati Reds, who

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<v Speaker 2>I love deeply. Not good stuff. And then you got

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky football with stoops not good. And then you got

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<v Speaker 2>the Muller High School. Then you got Anderson. Everywhere I look,

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<v Speaker 2>I see nothing but well they lost. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>throw in FC when they're up two goals against Columbus

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<v Speaker 2>a year or two ago. And is there any sense

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<v Speaker 2>that in this region we're blessed with so many positive things,

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<v Speaker 2>but professional sports, which I include the buck Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor, this morning, buck guys are playing for a national title.

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<v Speaker 1>They're in the playoff. You talk to Buck Eye Nation

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<v Speaker 1>as I do. I take their pulse. It's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it's not good.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a reflection on them, not a reflection on the program.

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Day runs a good program.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the bear Cats, He's.

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<v Speaker 3>Beaten multiple playoff teams this year. The Bearcat football team. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Saderfield's got his hands full. Man, there's no getting

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona State was picked and finish sixteenth. They're in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Bear Cats beat the Bearcats.

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<v Speaker 1>Beat him and now was playing for so everywhere I.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, Browns, Buck Guys, Bengals, Bearcats, Kentucky High School except

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<v Speaker 2>for Scott Tackett Beechwood did unbullieing.

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<v Speaker 1>So do I have hope? Give me hope? Mo I

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<v Speaker 1>need hope? I think you see and Xavier are both

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<v Speaker 1>going to make the NCAA tournament. Who wins this weekend

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<v Speaker 1>cross time shootout? Let's talk about that later this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Xavier will win Okay, fine, they win. I have no hope.

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<v Speaker 3>So Xavier going to be n CUBA tournament teams. I

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<v Speaker 3>think Kentucky's going to be an NCAA tournament team. How

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<v Speaker 3>about their comeback on Saturday night down eighteen against Kenzaga

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<v Speaker 3>and Seattle and Mark Pope coached his brains out and

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<v Speaker 3>one and one. So there's a short handed too short handed.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot to like there. The Miami Radhawks are

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<v Speaker 3>in the Snoop Dogg Arizona Bowl. Huh sponsored by Gin

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<v Speaker 3>and Juice the Miami RedHawks, so things to like?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you, the Bobcats won for the first time in decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for them, Ken, Bruce, happy and Brew. We gotta run.

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<v Speaker 2>But Mo, everywhere I look, I see nothing but opportunities tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Its until you look at me.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasted opportunity, Mo eager, Thank you very much, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's continue have hope, I say, Moke. All we have,

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<v Speaker 2>MO is hope, keep hope alive.

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<v Speaker 1>I have hope. All we have is hope. That's all.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have hope? Are we going to wager on

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<v Speaker 1>the shootout? Absolutely? I'm taking Zager by the way, straight up,

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<v Speaker 1>no points. Whatever Xavier gets I get on seven hundred

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