Speaker 1: Liberal advisory, truthful content, your children being ritualistic.
Speaker 2: I think the operas of Reptilians and Tiptilian lizard people.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: Are you still talking about Jeffrey everything this guy's been
Speaker 3: talking about the years?
Speaker 2: If you want to John n your.
Speaker 3: Damn you're going that was Joan all you're running with.
Speaker 4: Dude, you must have been down the rabbit hole as
Speaker 4: long as I have.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on
Speaker 2: everyste at a time like this.
Speaker 4: Eventually you get you get to the juice box.
Speaker 3: People is sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning
Speaker 3: the file.
Speaker 4: We juicer going to them moll book. That was a
Speaker 4: joke about the world being flat, right, wasn't.
Speaker 2: Excuse me? Oh?
Speaker 4: I got that timing down perfectly now.
Speaker 2: And welcome fellow truths and conspiracy junkies to another episode,
Speaker 2: Oh White Rabbit. I am your host, Catalyst Jones. Coming
Speaker 2: out of the heat of the summer, and it's defrosting
Speaker 2: here in my studio this morning.
Speaker 4: I left all the windows open.
Speaker 2: It is nice and cool, and we are ready to
Speaker 2: get this rock and we're gonna hit on some biblic
Speaker 2: cool conspiracies today.
Speaker 4: And I have just the people here to do it.
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Josh Monday from the Christian Conspiracy Podcast
Speaker 2: and Justin Doc Brown from the Prometheus Lens.
Speaker 4: Is in the building. What is up? And good morning, gentlemen, Good.
Speaker 3: Morning, good morning. I don't know who was gonna go first,
Speaker 3: but yeah, good morning, brother. Thank you for having us.
Speaker 3: I think I always respect Justin's in your work.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you having me here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, do I call you doctor Justin while we're on
Speaker 2: this live this morning.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want, man, whatever you want. I'm that rabbit
Speaker 1: by many names.
Speaker 2: I'd just refer to you as the cool dude with
Speaker 2: the cool accent this morning.
Speaker 1: How about that? Oh yeah, I appreciate that. So California,
Speaker 1: I'm a single guy and apparently they're about in California
Speaker 1: just loves this accent. So I'm not having any luck
Speaker 1: down here in the South, so maybe i should just
Speaker 1: move out west. You know.
Speaker 4: That reminds me.
Speaker 2: That reminds me, and I don't remember the movie, but
Speaker 2: it was a long time ago.
Speaker 4: I remember watching this movie.
Speaker 2: It was two British guys and he was like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to move to America because girls love my sexy
Speaker 2: Australa or my sexy British accent, and he's like, but
Speaker 2: you don't have a British accent.
Speaker 4: He's like, god do.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I'm from California, even though I don't
Speaker 2: live there any more. Josh from California, and so we
Speaker 2: just have these boring California accents. So when we get
Speaker 2: to hear people like you, it's like cool. I mentioned
Speaker 2: before we started live this morning, it's so early, I'm
Speaker 2: hoping I don't fall back asleep because you have such
Speaker 2: a soothing voice.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: But for those that aren't familiar.
Speaker 2: With your guys's work, let's go ahead and go around
Speaker 2: the horn here and we'll just go and Clockwhite. I
Speaker 2: don't know how it's showing up on your guys, but Josh,
Speaker 2: you're next to me on the screen here, so if
Speaker 2: you want to just go ahead and kick this off, brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem. So my show was Josh Monday, Christen
Speaker 3: and Conspiracy Podcast. And then I have two other shows
Speaker 3: I got Wednesday Service Sunday Service that are on a
Speaker 3: cult of the Conspiracy podcast. And on those two shows,
Speaker 3: Sunday Service, I just do a full Bible study on
Speaker 3: the old Testament, and then Wednesday service, I'm doing a
Speaker 3: full Bible study on the New Testament. We're already the
Speaker 3: Second Samuel eleven on the Old Testament, and then we're
Speaker 3: all the way to Romans. We just finished the Book
Speaker 3: of Romans in the New tes So. And then on
Speaker 3: my show, I just do interviews and then I'm kind
Speaker 3: of slowly releasing those Bible studies. So yeah, I've I've
Speaker 3: always been trying to take a conspiracy show you how
Speaker 3: it relates to the Bible. And I'm using the Bible
Speaker 3: as debate to kind of get the conspiracy theoris to
Speaker 3: find out the real truth. Nothing but the truth, the
Speaker 3: Holy Bible and you know, Jesus Christ, the Way, the
Speaker 3: truth of life, the Holy Spirit, and God the Father.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of my niche and I've been doing
Speaker 3: it for four years now. Started out just doing Christian
Speaker 3: rap music six years ago, and then I moved into
Speaker 3: doing kind of Christian slash conspiracy rap. And honestly, when
Speaker 3: people have a voice like Doc Browns, they could rhyme
Speaker 3: words that are like way different than me and me
Speaker 3: when I'm speaking to my accent, right, I remember I
Speaker 3: have no accent. It's harder for me to do that.
Speaker 3: So I really wish I did have that accent would
Speaker 3: be easier for me to rap actually, and Catalyst knows
Speaker 3: what I mean. I do.
Speaker 4: Josh.
Speaker 2: There's a person in Australia that I was talking to
Speaker 2: and she told me that I have a cute act,
Speaker 2: so if that means anything, we do have accents to
Speaker 2: people that don't talk like us, so that that's something
Speaker 2: to think about right there.
Speaker 3: But Josh, yeah, same thing when I'm in the When
Speaker 3: you're in the army and you go and talk to
Speaker 3: people from different areas, they love the fact that you
Speaker 3: have a California accent, they would say, But I don't
Speaker 3: think it's accent.
Speaker 4: Yeah I don't either. I'm just like, that's how you talk.
Speaker 2: Because bro, like I watch movies and stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: and everybody on movies will at least growing up basically
Speaker 2: was from la unless they had an accent.
Speaker 4: So it's like that's just how people talk.
Speaker 2: And you know, you go to school, that's how people
Speaker 2: talk and it's it's weird. But yeah, Doc, we love
Speaker 2: your accent. And Josh, I want to say, man, it's
Speaker 2: been a while since I've had you on the podcast
Speaker 2: and since you teamed up with the Cult of Conspiracy
Speaker 2: and started doing your your Bible studies. I just want
Speaker 2: you to know that not only a lot of people
Speaker 2: that listen in comment, but me in particular, has helped
Speaker 2: me so much, bro, And this battle that I'm going
Speaker 2: through with alcoholism is something that I don't think I
Speaker 2: would have been able to do without your Bible studies. Honestly, Bro,
Speaker 2: There's been so many days where those have helped me
Speaker 2: get through the day. And I just want to thank
Speaker 2: you for doing that, and thank God that He is
Speaker 2: using you to be able to give those to everybody.
Speaker 2: It's just an awesome thing.
Speaker 3: But if you thank God, yeah, thank God, but all
Speaker 3: glory to God, because it's not it's not me, He's
Speaker 3: you know, He's working through me, just like he works
Speaker 3: through justin just like He works through you or works
Speaker 3: through everybody.
Speaker 2: So and I'll have those links for everybody if they
Speaker 2: want to go ahead and catch up or just start
Speaker 2: where we are right now. On those Bible studies, you'll
Speaker 2: be able to fall along with us. And they're pretty awesome,
Speaker 2: especially coming from somebody that's a conspiracy theorist, so you
Speaker 2: get to see it through a different lens. Not just
Speaker 2: some pastor, the pastor that's going to be flying the
Speaker 2: Israel flag when you walk up to his church outside.
Speaker 4: So Doc Man, Bigfoot is in the Bible.
Speaker 2: And that was one of the best episodes I've done
Speaker 2: with some crazy craziness and people have been out skin
Speaker 2: for more and here you are, brother Aman.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. But yeah, name is Justin. I kind
Speaker 1: of got the nickname or pseudo name. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you'd call that, a Lis Doc Brown. But my
Speaker 1: show is the Prometheus Lens podcast. I've kind of deemed
Speaker 1: it the hero's journey. You got to go into the unknown,
Speaker 1: you have to slay the dragon, you have to face
Speaker 1: your fears, save the damsel, gather up the treasure. But
Speaker 1: then your journey is not over. You must return to
Speaker 1: humanity and share that great gift that you received on
Speaker 1: your journey with the world. And to me, that great
Speaker 1: gift is Jesus Christ. And just like Josh, I go
Speaker 1: through many fascinating topics that's got everybody's attention. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you're a Christian or not. Everybody's into conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Everybody's into cryptids and lost civilizations and all those things,
Speaker 1: and I'm one of those people that believe all that
Speaker 1: is in the Bible, the Bible has an answer for that.
Speaker 1: And so I try to have conversations that not only
Speaker 1: Christians will enjoy, but non believers and kind of sprinkle
Speaker 1: a little bit of the Holy Spirit and truth why
Speaker 1: I got their attention. And yeah, just like you talked
Speaker 1: about Bigfoot in the Bible. That's my first book I
Speaker 1: wrote this year called The Epica of Esau. And yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's been a wild ride. I've been doing this for
Speaker 1: It'll be two years in October. So the Lord has
Speaker 1: blessed it. Just like Josh said, It's amazing what he
Speaker 1: will do when you step out and say yes and
Speaker 1: just follow. Man. Because this guy right here, this accident
Speaker 1: the banjos play when I talk, barely graduated twelfth grade
Speaker 1: and that was twenty years ago. So for me to
Speaker 1: be doing what I'm doing, it has to be about
Speaker 1: the power of God.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I couldn't disagree with that at all, man, And that
Speaker 2: is one of the things that I pray about daily,
Speaker 2: is to allow me to remove whatever is blocking me
Speaker 2: from not only having that personal relationship that I'm supposed
Speaker 2: to be having, but also to let go of my
Speaker 2: ego and let him take the wheel, so that I'm
Speaker 2: driving the path he wants me to drive in, not
Speaker 2: my own personal path that I think is best for me,
Speaker 2: because that hasn't really gotten me anywhere other than hard times.
Speaker 2: So it's difficult that as it is to let go
Speaker 2: of the wheel man it through prayer, it's become a
Speaker 2: lot easier. But I will say this, one of the
Speaker 2: things I wanted to get into with you guys is
Speaker 2: this because times are crazy. You know, we have the
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk shooting. Whether you believe that was staged, fake,
Speaker 2: real person died not, it doesn't matter. The reaction to
Speaker 2: this is very real. The way that it affects people
Speaker 2: is very real. We have a lot of myself, included
Speaker 2: is shining a giant spotlight on a certain country right
Speaker 2: now and the corrupt leaders in that country and what
Speaker 2: they're pulling in this world. But every generation seems to
Speaker 2: say that we're living in the end times, and every
Speaker 2: generation has good reason to believe.
Speaker 4: So, you know, if you were growing up during World
Speaker 4: War one, World.
Speaker 2: War II type of era, like you have every reason
Speaker 2: to believe that the end of the world is here.
Speaker 2: Right amongst us right now? What makes us any different
Speaker 2: in the time that we're leaving in right now? And Josh,
Speaker 2: I'll let you pick that up first.
Speaker 3: Well, just like you said, World War two, can you
Speaker 3: imagine Hitler was trying to take over the world, And
Speaker 3: whether you believe that or not, I know that there's
Speaker 3: different opinions on that as well. But you can imagine
Speaker 3: the propaganda putting put it on people back then where
Speaker 3: people thought that it was it was the end times,
Speaker 3: and especially during the Great Depression is another one. You
Speaker 3: know that that's the time they probably since everybody was
Speaker 3: starving and and trying to find food and that's that's
Speaker 3: that's the time they could have probably bought the market
Speaker 3: of the beast and pretty pretty easy. But the thing is,
Speaker 3: when you when you look at the times now, I
Speaker 3: think the infrastructure is set up for depending on what
Speaker 3: your eschatology belief is. I mean, there's some people that
Speaker 3: believe were in Satan's little season, some people believe that
Speaker 3: you know that in a seven year tribulation dispensational view,
Speaker 3: I mean, depending on what your eschatology is, you know,
Speaker 3: I think the infrastructure is here for them to set
Speaker 3: up a mark of the beast type system, and I
Speaker 3: think that is it the end times right now and
Speaker 3: the next you know, year or two. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I think it just feels like we're definitely the
Speaker 3: birth pains are getting stronger, like the Bible says. And
Speaker 3: it really depends on who's right in eschatology because there's
Speaker 3: different views on that. And when I first started studying
Speaker 3: the Bible, I was going to Calviy Chapel and I
Speaker 3: didn't even know there was other views. I thought there
Speaker 3: was only a seven year tribulation, pre rapture, mid rapture,
Speaker 3: or post rapture. I thought that was the argument. I
Speaker 3: didn't know there was an argument on actually the whole
Speaker 3: eschatology thing, so as Justin probably knows because he's been
Speaker 3: going through the Bible for a long time. On as
Speaker 3: old show, I can't remember what it was called, but
Speaker 3: it was something about dig the dig. Yeah, when you
Speaker 3: listen to that sill here, Like, I've already had three
Speaker 3: hundred episodes on my show, so I've had so many
Speaker 3: different people come on tell me different eschatologies. So at
Speaker 3: this point it's hard for me to kind of boil
Speaker 3: one down and tell you exactly is which one is
Speaker 3: correct one hundred percent. But I just like, just I'll
Speaker 3: just let people know when you're listening to people talk
Speaker 3: about any type of esqueatology, make sure they have chapter
Speaker 3: and verse for every single thing that they're saying. That way,
Speaker 3: you know that there's not just some timeline that they
Speaker 3: got from some different Bible and say, hey, this is
Speaker 3: exactly what's going to happen any chapter and verse. But
Speaker 3: I think it definitely is pointing towards the birth Baan's
Speaker 3: getting stronger and the end times being here, or them
Speaker 3: making the end times and make us seem like we
Speaker 3: are in a certain end time.
Speaker 2: So you know, justin that's a huge debate that people
Speaker 2: like to bring up, is like, well, it's not really
Speaker 2: the end times because they're forcing it. But in the Bible,
Speaker 2: it doesn't say whether or not it's forced. It just
Speaker 2: says that what is going to be taking place during
Speaker 2: those times, and whether they're fabricating those two take place
Speaker 2: or not, they're still taking place, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And just like Josh was saying, each you know,
Speaker 1: I word it, each generation is all saying, you know,
Speaker 1: the end is, the end is nigh, The end is nigh,
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can make a good case for people
Speaker 1: living there uring that time, but you can see it's
Speaker 1: progressively getting worse. And how he mentioned the birth pays
Speaker 1: a f You guys are familiar with Jamie Walden, he's
Speaker 1: a fringy pastor, and had him on the show and
Speaker 1: he actually did like a preaching on this a while
Speaker 1: back in July when we started having all those floods
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I brought him on the show to
Speaker 1: talk about it, and man, he lays out some pretty
Speaker 1: compelling evidence for the end times. And he lays out
Speaker 1: that the Lord basically told him with all these floods.
Speaker 1: You know, it was in America. We were concentrated on Texas,
Speaker 1: and I think it was like Chicago and a couple
Speaker 1: of other places that flooded around the same time, but
Speaker 1: there was mass flooding around the world during this time.
Speaker 1: And he said that he felt like the Lord was
Speaker 1: telling him that this is the the beginning of the
Speaker 1: birth banks. The water has broke, and once the water breaks,
Speaker 1: there's no turning back. And he said that in Revelation,
Speaker 1: it talks about the earthquakes, the famines, the rumors of wars,
Speaker 1: the volcanoes, and just all this other kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that's going on. We see all those right now. I
Speaker 1: mean not just you know a week later here that
Speaker 1: all this stuff is happening simultaneously. All that water happened,
Speaker 1: all the catastrophic flooding. When you go to I can't
Speaker 1: remember the website that you can Google search it, but
Speaker 1: there's this place that tracks all the earthquakes. There's more
Speaker 1: earthquakes being documented in the past couple of months than
Speaker 1: ever in recorded history. There's more active volcanoes ever than
Speaker 1: recorded history. I think back when we talked about it,
Speaker 1: back then there was over eighty something volcanoes. So you
Speaker 1: talk about that, the soot ash going into the air,
Speaker 1: darkening the sun, lowering the temperatures, killing crops. So and
Speaker 1: just like Josh said, there's more there's no better time
Speaker 1: than that for the infrastructure. You're starting to get this
Speaker 1: AI that the surveillance state, and the blockchain system. For
Speaker 1: the money. It's just we are definitely closer than any
Speaker 1: other time in history.
Speaker 4: Do you think that? Do you get go ahead?
Speaker 1: Josh?
Speaker 3: Okay, Just like I was just to bounce off what
Speaker 3: Justin was saying, is the infrastructure is here, like if
Speaker 3: you see the Europe just just kind of did it
Speaker 3: the Parliament. I think it's in Great Britain. The Parliament
Speaker 3: just kind of spoke and said, you will not be
Speaker 3: able to work in Great Britain unless you have a
Speaker 3: digital ID. But don't worry. You know we're gonna give
Speaker 3: it to you guys for free, is what he said
Speaker 3: in the beginning. You know it's going to be absolutely free.
Speaker 3: Don't worry, but you have to have a digital ID
Speaker 3: to be able to work. That's like, that's those kind
Speaker 3: of talk. That kind of talk just reminds you of
Speaker 3: what the Bible says. Now, I'm not saying that the
Speaker 3: digital idea is going to be the mark of the Beast,
Speaker 3: but I'm letting you know that they're they're basically doing
Speaker 3: precursors to the mark of the beast. Uh Via, I
Speaker 3: don't know what's what we're gonna be on right here,
Speaker 3: but Via, you know, the thing in the arm and
Speaker 3: all these different things. It's like they're they're kind of
Speaker 3: just doing precursors. They're trying to they're trying to get
Speaker 3: the ball field ready for them to I think bring, uh,
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen in Revelation and that they're they're gonna
Speaker 3: even though God is someone obviously ultimate in control. Only
Speaker 3: God knows that the time of the hour, and I'm
Speaker 3: not one to set dates or anything like that. I'm
Speaker 3: just telling you that I think I think it does
Speaker 3: look like it's getting closer, you know, if like like
Speaker 3: just like Justin was saying.
Speaker 2: As well, Yeah, yeah, I think it's definitely getting closer.
Speaker 2: And you know, my grandma was very uh Christian based,
Speaker 2: and she would always tell me that I was going
Speaker 2: to see the end times. She was like, it's gonna
Speaker 2: happen in your lifetime, and that always scared the crap.
Speaker 4: Out of me.
Speaker 2: And now I'm almost welcoming it because as long as
Speaker 2: you're right and where you need to be, it's it's
Speaker 2: almost like, good, let's get this over with, because there's
Speaker 2: so much better things that we could we could be
Speaker 2: focused on and not being bombarded with these psyops and
Speaker 2: just constant sin thrown down our throats, you know, like
Speaker 2: to the point where we're sinning now and not even
Speaker 2: realizing it or feeling guilty about it. And it's just
Speaker 2: it's in our face every day, and I don't think
Speaker 2: that there is any escaping it.
Speaker 4: It's just, uh, yeah, I don't I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't remember where I was going with that, But
Speaker 2: do you guys, do you guys think that the COVID
Speaker 2: was the initial Like, let's see if we can actually
Speaker 2: roll this out, because when you were talking about the
Speaker 2: vaccine passport or not the vaccine passport, but the digital
Speaker 2: idea basically is the vaccine passport. That's they're just trying
Speaker 2: to repackage it and rebrand it in certain ways. And
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily going into our body or skin or
Speaker 2: anything yet. But I mean, we have elon musk that's
Speaker 2: already put these implants and people brains, and in the
Speaker 2: conspiracy world, you know, there's people talking about like this
Speaker 2: is an easy just flip of the switch to basically
Speaker 2: take away our own free.
Speaker 4: Will and to just become a literal MPC.
Speaker 1: And now I'm poking the bear too, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like for us married men or used to
Speaker 1: be married, you know, we poke the bear every once
Speaker 1: in a while, we test to see how far we
Speaker 1: can go. So if the wife's like, hey, we're going
Speaker 1: to go out eat dinner with my friends over here
Speaker 1: at the tag And restaurant this weekend, and it might
Speaker 1: be some friends that you don't particularly care for. You're like, ah, honey,
Speaker 1: I think I might just get out on this one,
Speaker 1: and you're just, you know, I mean, you're not saying
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go with your poking to see
Speaker 1: what kind of reaction you're going to get out of her,
Speaker 1: and she looks at you all stern. I'm just I'm playing.
Speaker 1: I'm playing. But that she goes with it, of course
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, yeah, I'm going to stay home.
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what our government does.
Speaker 1: They poke the bear, they test the waters, They push
Speaker 1: a button to see what reaction they're going to get,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like the frog in the boiling water.
Speaker 1: You don't cut it up to level ten because then
Speaker 1: the frog's going to jump out. But if you slowly
Speaker 1: cut it up, it's never going to notice the changes
Speaker 1: because it's so subtle. And it's that's what the government does.
Speaker 1: It's causing effect, like the whole nine to eleven stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what happened. They got the people so scared
Speaker 1: that they was willing to trade all of their privacy
Speaker 1: of the government reading their emails, tappening into their phones,
Speaker 1: just for the chance of catching the bad guy, and
Speaker 1: this not happening again. In Benjamin Franklin, he talked about
Speaker 1: it all those years ago. He said, because apparently this
Speaker 1: is the same old song and dance that people in
Speaker 1: power like to do. He said, those who trade their security,
Speaker 1: trade their freedoms for security, deserve neither.
Speaker 3: Yes, And that's a high Galien dialectic, like Justin was saying,
Speaker 3: I mean, you just you see it. And I think
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump was kind of brought back in as
Speaker 3: like a honeypot to get the rest of the people
Speaker 3: that that that weren't vaxed and all the people they
Speaker 3: kind of he's trying to, you know, kind of gather
Speaker 3: them up and still pull them into the system, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's happening. And I think that Charlie kirk thing
Speaker 3: was was pretty big for all this patriotism to be
Speaker 3: out there, like you know, pro America, pro Christian nationalism,
Speaker 3: and uh, and it's happening. You see it, you know,
Speaker 3: and people are falling for it, you know, hook line
Speaker 3: and sinker. So whether Charlie kirk Is is dead or not,
Speaker 3: I mean that's I don't know. I felt like my
Speaker 3: spirit was hurting that day, and I feel like he
Speaker 3: did get killed, you know. But there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people that would say, no way, every every single thing
Speaker 3: is a lie, you know. So I'm not saying whether
Speaker 3: he's alive or not. I have no idea, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's definitely possible for him to be alive, especially
Speaker 3: the reactions of his wife. It reminds me of Sandy
Speaker 3: Hook when those those parents were talking on the on TV,
Speaker 3: where it just seems like I'm not seeing anything in
Speaker 3: their voice. But I'm not a professional voice analyst or
Speaker 3: by any means, so I couldn't say. But I think
Speaker 3: that we're seeing that they're trying to get the rest
Speaker 3: of the people that weren't down with COVID and all
Speaker 3: that stuff. Still like and I don't think everything. I
Speaker 3: don't think they got as many people as they wanted to.
Speaker 3: They want to get the people that are pro gune
Speaker 3: Christian on board, and I think that for them to
Speaker 3: do that, they use Donald Trump as a honeypot. But
Speaker 3: I'm noticing that people are waking up. Anthony is one
Speaker 3: of them. Anthony Gaff is one of them that I've
Speaker 3: been watching that GRAFFEO. Sorry Anthon iom As gaff But
Speaker 3: Anthony is a guy that I know, I'm really cool
Speaker 3: with I've had him on the show. He's been I've
Speaker 3: been on my show, and I've just been watching him
Speaker 3: specifically because he was he was so pro Trump, and
Speaker 3: he was he was so pro c and after he
Speaker 3: started under Donald Trump doing certain things and then finally
Speaker 3: he kind of he took a step back. And I'm
Speaker 3: seeing a lot of people do that where they were
Speaker 3: really involved in the Q movement, and he's a brother
Speaker 3: in Christ. That's why I'm kind of I kind of
Speaker 3: watch him to see the temperature of what's going on
Speaker 3: with what those people like like that, you know, and
Speaker 3: and yeah, he will, I'm all right.
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful thing because him and I were big, big,
Speaker 2: in the Q movement and that's what really got White
Speaker 2: Rabbit its feet. And when I first started out, you know,
Speaker 2: I was working with We the People Radio, and through
Speaker 2: that I got ties to a lot of people, and
Speaker 2: Anthony Griffeo was one of them. Graf was always like
Speaker 2: one of the people that everyone in the Q movement
Speaker 2: were looking to because he just had that voice and
Speaker 2: the way to look at things differently and decipher and
Speaker 2: he held on to the queue for a lot longer
Speaker 2: than I did, and I was seeing these things, and
Speaker 2: I would send him stuff all the time and I'd
Speaker 2: be like, bro, like it ain't gonna play out the
Speaker 2: way that we've been saying, you know, like it's time
Speaker 2: to jump off of that train. And he finally came around,
Speaker 2: because there's just things that are happening that you can't
Speaker 2: overlook anymore. And I think that when Trump came out
Speaker 2: and said, what Epstein list, it's a hoax, I think
Speaker 2: that that was a huge slapping the face to a
Speaker 2: lot of people that not only had his back, but
Speaker 2: lost family, friends, jobs, got kicked out of their social
Speaker 2: circles for sticking up for this guy. And for him
Speaker 2: to just do what he did is it's gaslighting to
Speaker 2: the fullest. It's demoralizing, and he's losing a lot of
Speaker 2: his base because of just simply that statement, Like, are
Speaker 2: you guys still talking about Epstein?
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, we are.
Speaker 2: Are you still talking about the rigid election that you
Speaker 2: did nothing about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we shouldn't be surprised. I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: idolize a person. You can't put your faith in a
Speaker 1: person because they're going to let you down every time,
Speaker 1: even if they are a genuinely good person. That's why
Speaker 1: he put you faith in God. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: I like to play Devil's advocate. I'm not taking up
Speaker 1: for any political person, but I'm just trying to give
Speaker 1: you the people, like a perspective of theirs. It takes
Speaker 1: a special type of person to be a leader, and
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to you know, I hate to say this,
Speaker 1: but this is how they see it. Sacrifice a few
Speaker 1: pawns to say the king and something like Epstein. You
Speaker 1: got to imagine that this would have devastational ramifications worldwide
Speaker 1: through every government. Just say that this is a spider
Speaker 1: web that goes throughout the entire world. So just like
Speaker 1: there's certain things that happen, like if we got an
Speaker 1: asteroid coming to Earth about to hit us, like that
Speaker 1: Armagadon movie, what do they do. They keep it from
Speaker 1: the people because they don't want the people to freak
Speaker 1: out and make their job harder. So they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine, but they know it's coming. So
Speaker 1: they do that to try to stabilize the earth and
Speaker 1: the people. And I think that this whole Epstein thing,
Speaker 1: it's like that web is so diverse it would just
Speaker 1: shut down governments. I mean, there wouldn't be anybody in
Speaker 1: power left and it would just throw the world into chaos.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a uh, in their mind,
Speaker 1: a list or evil will sacrifice this pond and kick
Speaker 1: it down the road for the stabilization of the globe.
Speaker 3: Or the flat plane. But a so, I again, I
Speaker 3: agree with that. And Justin, I was in I was
Speaker 3: in the I was in the military. Yeah yeah, realm no, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding, so uh yeah. But the whole thing,
Speaker 3: the reason why I think it affected them so much
Speaker 3: is because the whole, the whole, the whole basis of
Speaker 3: Q was about saving the children and saving people from that.
Speaker 3: That he was going to come and save people from that.
Speaker 3: So I think that's probably what you priority know, Justin,
Speaker 3: But I think that's probably why it affected probably Catalysts
Speaker 3: and and and Anthony so much. But a shout out
Speaker 3: to Anthony Gaffer. We're talking about you, but in a
Speaker 3: positive light. I just want to shout out to you,
Speaker 3: and yeah, let you know that. So that's a case
Speaker 3: of what he says he was talking about you.
Speaker 2: He he just teamed up with hang on, yeah, my calendar.
Speaker 2: He taught he just teamed up with Fuzz Young and
Speaker 2: they started a new podcast like two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: Both of those guys.
Speaker 2: Are gonna be on the show here pretty soon. I
Speaker 2: can't see the date on my calendar, but they're on there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh. It is people like him that are waking up
Speaker 2: that is gonna change because the amount of followers that
Speaker 2: he has and the people that were relying on him
Speaker 2: basically to decipher these things.
Speaker 4: It's like I was telling people, you know, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people are awake, but there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people that claim to be awake that are really just
Speaker 2: I hate using the word NPC, but they are just
Speaker 2: in PCs and going along with what people that figured
Speaker 2: stuff out are telling them. It's like they're still relying
Speaker 2: on basically, the people that rely on TV. They're still
Speaker 2: doing the same thing. They just found a different TV
Speaker 2: to rely on, and they're relying on people like graph
Speaker 2: or myself or these bigger named podcasts like Prometheus Lens
Speaker 2: and Josh Monday Christian Conspiracy because they're not capable of
Speaker 2: deciphering these things for themselves or they don't have time to,
Speaker 2: so they rely on people like us to do it.
Speaker 4: And if these people don't wake up.
Speaker 2: Like if Graf was to still be like trust the plan,
Speaker 2: the white hats are in control, that would be a
Speaker 2: problem because then we would have all these people still
Speaker 2: going along. But thank god, we do have people smart
Speaker 2: enough to have people looking up to them. And every
Speaker 2: man is fallible, right, so it is okay for us
Speaker 2: to hang on to some of these things, even if
Speaker 2: that's what we built our base on, right, Like white
Speaker 2: rabbit used to be spelled with a one and a
Speaker 2: seven in it for the seventeenth letter, which is cute.
Speaker 2: And I had to tell my base I fucked up, guys,
Speaker 2: I was wrong, And it's a humbling thing to do.
Speaker 2: Deep It's not an easy thing to do, especially when
Speaker 2: you're like, everybody's gonna stop listening to me. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: lose my entire But you know, the truth prevails. I
Speaker 2: did lose a lot of people. I lost them a
Speaker 2: lot of MAGA people when I first did that. I'm
Speaker 2: sure I gained a lot of them back up after
Speaker 2: the couple of years have passed since I jumped off
Speaker 2: of the Q train. But a lot of people right
Speaker 2: now are talking about this whole rapture thing that came
Speaker 2: in and left and that has brought a bunch of questions,
Speaker 2: and so I started looking into it and I wanted
Speaker 2: to kind of swing and pivot into this what is
Speaker 2: the rapture? And is this a legitimate thing? You have
Speaker 2: Christians arguing about this as well, and Doc will start
Speaker 2: with you on this one man, what is your take
Speaker 2: on the rapture?
Speaker 4: Is this a thing? Is it even in the Bible?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I grew up Southern Baptist and was you know,
Speaker 1: indoctrinated with the pre trib rapture idea and believe that
Speaker 1: all the way till probably my mid twenties, mid to
Speaker 1: late twenties. And then once I actually started looking into
Speaker 1: it myself and reading it for myself, I personally come
Speaker 1: to the conclusion that there is no rapture. How the
Speaker 1: people talk about it anyway. Now that that Greek word
Speaker 1: that you know is transcribed and they think is rapture,
Speaker 1: is that what is harpoo? Harpoosa rpazzo. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: in there. But when you read the scriptures as a whole,
Speaker 1: you know, anybody can take one verse, and you know,
Speaker 1: if they're good wordsmith, they can turn it to be
Speaker 1: whatever they want it to be. But if you look
Speaker 1: at the scripture as a whole and read it, I
Speaker 1: think there's lots of evidence that shows that we will
Speaker 1: endure tribulation. You know, it says time and time again.
Speaker 1: You know, you will endure tribulation. Those who endure till
Speaker 1: the end, not the middle, not the beginning. Those who
Speaker 1: endure to the end will get a crown of life.
Speaker 1: And even Jesus tells them, you know, pray when this
Speaker 1: time comes that it's not in the winter, and that
Speaker 1: the pregnant women have to go into the mountains in
Speaker 1: the cold of winter, you know. And then revelation happens,
Speaker 1: what things will comes down and put some mark on
Speaker 1: God's people for protection. Well, if we're not here, why
Speaker 1: do we need a mark for protection? You know. There's
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. And I actually I did a
Speaker 1: show on this on the Dig many years ago, and
Speaker 1: I got my notes here. So if we do want
Speaker 1: to go dive deep in with some scripture, and I
Speaker 1: got verses and all that kind of stuff pulled up
Speaker 1: with me in a nutshell, I think that we have
Speaker 1: to endure the tribulation because even if you look at
Speaker 1: God's past judgments, he never removes his people but he
Speaker 1: protects and provides for them. Look at the plagues in Egypt.
Speaker 1: He didn't pull them out of Egypt. They were right
Speaker 1: there for it all. But they were protected and provided
Speaker 1: for Noah's flood. His people were provided and protected. But
Speaker 1: of course I'm sure it wasn't great in that arc.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were getting seasick and they had to
Speaker 1: endure this storm, but they were preserved. And it says
Speaker 1: the evil were swept away and the righteous remained. So
Speaker 1: time and time again. Soldom Gomora, all of them. He
Speaker 1: never removes his people, but he protects him and provides
Speaker 1: for them. So I kind of jokingly tell people half heartedly, no,
Speaker 1: you want to be the one left behind, because Heaven
Speaker 1: and Earth comes down here, and you want to be
Speaker 1: here for it and not be swept away like the
Speaker 1: wicked in the flood. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, that brings up a question though, because.
Speaker 2: In my upbringing I was always told that there's only
Speaker 2: a room for like one hundred thousand people in heaven
Speaker 2: and then the rest of God's chosen people are going
Speaker 2: to live out eternity in paradise on earth, and that
Speaker 2: comes from Jehovah's witness upbringing.
Speaker 3: And they wanted to. They want those hundred thousand people
Speaker 3: to only be Jehovah's witness. That's that's that's why, you know,
Speaker 3: like they that that's what the whole thing is about.
Speaker 3: But it's it's fifteen hundred by fifteen hundred by fifteen
Speaker 3: hundred square miles, you know, So it'll it'll be and
Speaker 3: and it's going to be a new Heaven, new Earth,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think the whole reason why I've
Speaker 3: talked to you about it before Catalyst. You know, Heaven
Speaker 3: and Earth are connected, you know, and that's what's you
Speaker 3: always see something happy on Earth that affects Heaven. There's
Speaker 3: an earthquake in Joel that's so that's so strong that
Speaker 3: it affects Heaven, you know. So and what happens is
Speaker 3: there'll be a new Heaven Earth. But as far as
Speaker 3: the rapture, like that word is harpaso, you know, and
Speaker 3: it's and it's the word it's it's basically caught up,
Speaker 3: you know. And I've talked about it on your show,
Speaker 3: Tewod Corinthians twelve versus h. I think it's like one
Speaker 3: through four when when Paul was caught up to the
Speaker 3: to the third heaven.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: That's an example of what a rapture would be.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: And there's seven people on the Bible that were raptured,
Speaker 3: and they would be like Enoch, you know which in
Speaker 3: the beginning in Genesis five twenty four Hebrews eleven five,
Speaker 3: Elijah is caught up right. That's second Kings two to one,
Speaker 3: uh and verse eleven, and then Jesus in Mark sixteen nineteen,
Speaker 3: Acts one nine through eleven, and then Revelation twelve five.
Speaker 3: Then we have Philip and Acts eight thirty nine. Then
Speaker 3: we have Paul and two Corinthians twelve, verses two through four,
Speaker 3: which I just mentioned to you, the body of Christ
Speaker 3: and one Thessalonians four seventeen, whether that's pre trip, mid
Speaker 3: trib or post trib And then we have John in
Speaker 3: Revelation four to one, where he's able to see into heaven.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So if you look in Revelation four, it's all about
Speaker 3: him able to see in heaven, you know, the sapphires
Speaker 3: sowing all the different things right. And then Ezekiel just
Speaker 3: had a vision. So if you see him in Ezekiel
Speaker 3: one twenty six, that's not him getting actually caught up
Speaker 3: to heaven. It's actually just a vision from God right
Speaker 3: of the firmament and stuff like that. So yeah, so
Speaker 3: there's just really the it's in the Bible, just like
Speaker 3: Justin was saying, but the way that they're trying to
Speaker 3: portray it, you can't really place a time whether it's
Speaker 3: going to be pre trib mid trib or post trib
Speaker 3: That was kind of created because they had this seven
Speaker 3: year tribulation that they came up with and then they
Speaker 3: had three and a half years of peace and then
Speaker 3: three and a half years of the Great Tribulation. But
Speaker 3: really the Bible, and when you break it down, really
Speaker 3: is speaking about a three and a half year tribulation.
Speaker 3: The seven year tribulation is created from Daniel nine twenty seven,
Speaker 3: and that is people thinking that Daniel nine twenty six
Speaker 3: is a not a future event, but Daniel nine twenty
Speaker 3: seven is. So there's like a two thousand year church age,
Speaker 3: so they're still waiting for that three and a half
Speaker 3: years and that. Like I said, it all really depends
Speaker 3: on your eschatology. But there's verses like first, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 3: does you want to talk?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: I do have a question where where did the whole
Speaker 2: misconception come from? That there's just going to be a
Speaker 2: massive amount of people that get taken up one day.
Speaker 4: Out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: You know, just cars are going to be empty and
Speaker 2: you're going to be serving somebody their coffee and then
Speaker 2: they're not there and type of thing, and like thousands
Speaker 2: of people all over the world.
Speaker 4: Where did this come from?
Speaker 1: Well, teenage girl in the nineteenth century, because if you look,
Speaker 1: I had this in the notes it says this didn't
Speaker 1: exist before the nineteenth century. Around eighteen twenty was its conception.
Speaker 1: It began during a revival in Scotland a teenage girl
Speaker 1: named McDonald who claimed to have a vision of a
Speaker 1: pre tribulation rapture. A reverend named Darby was there who
Speaker 1: really latched on to this idea. This man was one
Speaker 1: of the founders of the Plymouth Brethren Dominion and began
Speaker 1: to preach this theology. Darby took this teaching with him
Speaker 1: to the United States. In the founding of the New World,
Speaker 1: he came in contact with Billy Graham. With the Billy
Speaker 1: Graham of his day, Dwight L. Moody, founder of the
Speaker 1: Moody Bible Institute and the Moody Press. Moody became the
Speaker 1: worldwide distributor of this theology. Many novels were written holding
Speaker 1: to this idea called Jesus is Coming. Then we have
Speaker 1: to we have the Schofield Reference Bible. This was the
Speaker 1: first of its kind to have headings in the biblical text.
Speaker 1: Jesus Predicts the Rapture was a famous heading in Matthew
Speaker 1: twenty four. They planted their beliefs into the Bible. So
Speaker 1: this all started with a vision from a teenage girl
Speaker 1: in Scotland. This is something that we have repeated until
Speaker 1: it was believed, and scripture is twisted to fit people's
Speaker 1: preconceived notions.
Speaker 3: Everybody's heard of the Scholfield Bible. If anybody is like
Speaker 3: a conspiracy theorist, they've heard of the Scholfield Bible. And
Speaker 3: what he's describing is definitely on point and biblically. What
Speaker 3: they would say is first Thessalonians four verses thirteen through eighteen.
Speaker 3: It says, but I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren,
Speaker 3: but let me just give you context. The Thessalonians were sad,
Speaker 3: thinking that their family members are going to die and
Speaker 3: they were going to miss out on something. So Paul
Speaker 3: says this to them. You know, so he says, but
Speaker 3: this is first Tessonians four, verse thirteen three eighteen. But
Speaker 3: I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren concerning
Speaker 3: those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others
Speaker 3: have no hope. So that's why he's telling them that. Right,
Speaker 3: for we believe that Jesus died and rose again. Even
Speaker 3: so God will bring him those who sleep in Jesus,
Speaker 3: which he's talking about the second Resurrection. For this we
Speaker 3: say that you, by the word of the Lord, that
Speaker 3: we are alive and remain until coming to the Lord
Speaker 3: will be by no means precede those who are asleep,
Speaker 3: for the Lord himself will descend from heaven what they
Speaker 3: shout with the voice of an archangel and the trumpet
Speaker 3: of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
Speaker 3: Then we are all. We are alive and remain, shall
Speaker 3: be caught up. That's our apostle, together with them in
Speaker 3: the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And
Speaker 3: thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore, comfort
Speaker 3: one another with these words. That's why he's telling him that.
Speaker 3: But what happens is some people took that verse, that
Speaker 3: particular verse, and they said, well, they placed it in
Speaker 3: a pre trib scenario right basically, because they created the
Speaker 3: seven year tribulation which Doc was talking about, that's going
Speaker 3: to be Scholfield creating a seven year tribleation where there's
Speaker 3: basically the anti christ is having a peace treaty with Israel,
Speaker 3: there'll be a third Temple built. This is all Scholfield
Speaker 3: type of talk. And then the Third Temple will be built,
Speaker 3: then there'll be three and a half years of peace
Speaker 3: that the Antichrist will have, which is right out of
Speaker 3: Daniel nine twenty seven where he says he's going to
Speaker 3: stop the sacrifices. But if depending on your eschatology, there's
Speaker 3: people that believe obviously that that that's Jesus they're talking
Speaker 3: about that stopped the sacrifices when he died on the cross.
Speaker 3: Now Schulfuld would say, no, this is going to be
Speaker 3: a future thing with the Antichrist where he's going to
Speaker 3: make a treaty with Israel and there'll be three and
Speaker 3: a half years of peace, and then he'll go into
Speaker 3: the Third Temple and he's going to claim himself to
Speaker 3: be God, and then a third of the Jews will
Speaker 3: die and there's going to be a great tribulation and
Speaker 3: all that stuff is going to start. But that's one
Speaker 3: of the main verses. And then another verse, which I'm
Speaker 3: sure Doc has all these verses too, is one Corinthians fifteen,
Speaker 3: verses fifty through fifty three. Right, it's another rapture proof text.
Speaker 3: It says, now this, I say, brother, and that the
Speaker 3: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor
Speaker 3: does corruption inherit in chore option. Behold, I tell you
Speaker 3: a mystery, meaning something that was hidden. Right, we shall
Speaker 3: not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in
Speaker 3: a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the
Speaker 3: last trumpet, right, So for the trumpet, that's the key, Yes,
Speaker 3: the last trumpet, for the trumpet will sound, and the
Speaker 3: dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
Speaker 3: For this incorruptible must be in corruption, for this mortal
Speaker 3: must be immortality. So go ahead to justin. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you can go off of that real quick, well, and
Speaker 3: then then I'll come and speak as well.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Oh yeah, justin in one second before you
Speaker 2: before you start, Josh, will you please check your cables
Speaker 2: real quick, because you're getting static, as if.
Speaker 4: One of your cables might not be fully plugged in
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 3: Okay, I checked it. It should be good. I'll just
Speaker 3: not get too close to it. Is it okay? Usually
Speaker 3: I don't have an issue with the with the mic.
Speaker 3: The mic is usually good, and it's and it's reading good.
Speaker 3: Is it okay? Now?
Speaker 2: Right now? It is and it's not constant. It's just
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe touching something. But well, yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: deal with it. I just wanted to make sure that
Speaker 2: you're good.
Speaker 3: Okay, no problem. So I think justin you were going
Speaker 3: to go, and then I'll go from Yang still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing I was going to say was
Speaker 1: that's the key to that whole passage. It says at
Speaker 1: the last trumpet, So if we go through revelation, this
Speaker 1: is at the very end, and God's people has done
Speaker 1: went through the tribulation. So some people that go with
Speaker 1: these different kind of raptures, I've heard some people jokingly
Speaker 1: call it the Yogo theology that Jesus comes down, he goes,
Speaker 1: he pulls us back up in the rapture, but then
Speaker 1: he comes back down for judgment, you know, So it's
Speaker 1: like a yogo he comes up and down, but now
Speaker 1: he comes down once and that's all he needs. Because
Speaker 1: he's God. He comes down and ends it. But it
Speaker 1: says those who endure to the last trumpet, And then
Speaker 1: another verse I mentioned earlier, those who endure to the end,
Speaker 1: we'll get a crown of life because when it comes,
Speaker 1: it says that last trumpet was to say the first
Speaker 1: the dead in him shall rise first. So their bodies
Speaker 1: are raised and they're made into an incorruptible body. But
Speaker 1: then at the same time, Heaven is coming down to Earth,
Speaker 1: a new Heaven, new Earth, and it says, then we
Speaker 1: are changed at the twinkling of an eye. So what
Speaker 1: it's saying I believe is that the dead are given
Speaker 1: their incorruptible body, Heaven's coming down to Earth, and us
Speaker 1: that are left alive and made it through the tribulation,
Speaker 1: we are changed. We are immediately given our incorruptible bodies.
Speaker 1: It's not that we're called up to Heaven to come
Speaker 1: back down later. You know, it's all happening simultaneously.
Speaker 3: I would say, good.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was just thinking about my uncle who's who's
Speaker 2: in a wheelchair, and how awesome it would be if
Speaker 2: he was able to get that body. But so what
Speaker 2: I hope is that we get to witness all the
Speaker 2: craziness that's happening. So when that final trumpet blows, is
Speaker 2: that Jesus coming down and then we don't get to
Speaker 2: see him like completely win the war.
Speaker 3: Now the well, okay, so there's gonna be a few
Speaker 3: things happening I think before the New Heaven and New Earth.
Speaker 3: So the New Heaven Earth is gonna be in Revelation
Speaker 3: twenty two. So there's gonna be a thousand year reign,
Speaker 3: millennial reign of Jesus right here on Earth. And then
Speaker 3: after that would be Satan's little season that everybody talks
Speaker 3: about that's really popular right now, and then there'll be
Speaker 3: a new Heaven and Earth. What happened is there'll be
Speaker 3: a Satan will gather his people and he will basically
Speaker 3: deceive the nations again. He's gonna gather an army and
Speaker 3: he's gonna try to go against Jesus in Jerusalem. And yeah,
Speaker 3: so there's things that are gonna happen before that, I believe.
Speaker 3: I think the last trumpets in Revelation eleven and then
Speaker 3: you know, I think that, but I think Doc is
Speaker 3: on the right track. I think that the first I
Speaker 3: think the second resurrection will happen, and then Jesus is
Speaker 3: gonna come down to the earth and I ain't for
Speaker 3: a thousand years, and I think that you'll have an
Speaker 3: incorruptible body. Then I think at doc is saying that
Speaker 3: it'll happen. It just depends on your eschatology, right, But
Speaker 3: what I was gonna say is there was a first
Speaker 3: resurrection that a lot of people they don't really think about.
Speaker 3: All Right, there was a first resurrection that I think
Speaker 3: is very interesting that I think your audience should know
Speaker 3: about it. And I did read I did talk about
Speaker 3: it in Matthew twenty seven, verse forty six through fifty four.
Speaker 3: And this is when Jesus actually died on the cross. Right,
Speaker 3: So some people would say, like, you know, what's the
Speaker 3: mechanics here? How is God going to do something like that? Well,
Speaker 3: when you read in Matthew twenty seven, forty six through
Speaker 3: fifty four, it says, and about the night that or
Speaker 3: Jesus cried out with the loud wars with the loud voice,
Speaker 3: I l I a lama's about Tanika. I don't really
Speaker 3: know how to pronounce that, but it says that is
Speaker 3: my God, my God, Why you forsaking me. Some of
Speaker 3: those who stood there, when they heard, they said that
Speaker 3: the man is calling for Elijah. Immediately one of them
Speaker 3: ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour mind,
Speaker 3: and put it on a read and offered it to
Speaker 3: him to drink. And the rest said, let him alone,
Speaker 3: let us see if Elijah will come to save him.
Speaker 3: And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice. It
Speaker 3: yielded up his spirit. Then behold, the veil of the
Speaker 3: temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom.
Speaker 3: That's that's significant, because it's not being torn from the
Speaker 3: bottom to the top, which would be what would be
Speaker 3: that maybe somebody doing that. It's torn from the top
Speaker 3: to the bottom, which means I think that that would
Speaker 3: give you more of an idea that that was God
Speaker 3: doing that. And the earthquake and the rocks were split,
Speaker 3: and the graves were open, and many bodies of the
Speaker 3: saints who had fallen asleep were raised and coming out
Speaker 3: of the graves. After his resurrection and went into the
Speaker 3: Holy City and appeared to many. So when the centurion
Speaker 3: and those with him reguarded Jesus saw the earthquake and
Speaker 3: the things guarded Jesus and saw the earthquake and the
Speaker 3: things that happened, they feared greatly, saying truly was the
Speaker 3: son of God. So this is very interesting. It's talking
Speaker 3: about a resurrection of the old saints and from the grave.
Speaker 3: Uh that were that were that were falling asleep or
Speaker 3: dead were raised coming out of the graves. So I
Speaker 3: think it's something that people need to pay attention to.
Speaker 3: I think it's really interesting. I think you can look
Speaker 3: in Ezekiel where it talks about basically him taking bones
Speaker 3: and putting uh uh you know, basically having having the
Speaker 3: dead rise and and having even tendants put on the
Speaker 3: bones of the of these people that are gonna risee.
Speaker 3: So I think it's uh interesting. But uh, I don't
Speaker 3: know what what Justin has to say about that one,
Speaker 3: But go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, Catalyst, he was leaning forward like he's about to
Speaker 1: say something. Was you gonna say something?
Speaker 3: Rather?
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm I'm I really want to hear what
Speaker 2: you have to say about this. I was just leaning
Speaker 2: forward because I'm intently listening.
Speaker 1: But now, yeah, that is definitely something that people look
Speaker 1: over that when that happened. But uh, and one thing
Speaker 1: I was going to show you too is I think
Speaker 1: you touched on this earlier, Josh. But uh that second
Speaker 1: Thessalonians one and two. The context of those two chapters
Speaker 1: make two comings very difficult, one to save and one
Speaker 1: to judge. Chapter one, verse sixty eight describes Jesus coming
Speaker 1: to give relief to believers and affliction to the non believers.
Speaker 1: It's one coming, but Paul says, these two things happen
Speaker 1: when the Lord is revealed from heaven. So Chapter two,
Speaker 1: verse one says, concerning the coming of the Lord and
Speaker 1: us being gathered together to meet him, we ask you
Speaker 1: brothers not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed
Speaker 1: by the spirit or spoken word or letter seeming to
Speaker 1: be from us to the effect that the Lord has
Speaker 1: all come, has come already. So obviously someone who's going
Speaker 1: around saying that's already happened. You've missed the bus, you
Speaker 1: were left behind, and he's telling them, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: If anybody tries to tell you the Lord's come already,
Speaker 1: don't believe. It's a lot. And even like this little
Speaker 1: season stuff, I mean, I think it's very interesting, but
Speaker 1: versus like that kind of put it to bed for me.
Speaker 2: You know, there are people that there's people that have
Speaker 2: arguments that make me still torn though, right like because
Speaker 2: there's people that are coming out with when he was
Speaker 2: talking to his apostles like that it's going to be
Speaker 2: in your generation, like telling people not to have children
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So that's also.
Speaker 1: Ed Maybury has a good argument for that. I had
Speaker 1: ed on and I actually brought Brian from Demon Racers
Speaker 1: and JT on to give their talk for the Little
Speaker 1: Season why they believe it, But then I also had
Speaker 1: Ad maybray On saying why he doesn't believe it, and
Speaker 1: I thought his response to that was pretty good. He
Speaker 1: said that he was telling them that they will see
Speaker 1: him coming in his glory in their lifetime. Well what
Speaker 1: happens right after that they go to Mount Hermond and
Speaker 1: Jesus transfigure. They definitely seen him coming in all his glory.
Speaker 1: So and this event, yeah, I think they they.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've had JT on as well, and I also
Speaker 3: had Gary Wayne and UH and Ed Maybrion doing uh
Speaker 3: a Satan's Little Season d Bunk, and then I had
Speaker 3: I had j T and then another two gentlemen UH
Speaker 3: come on and kind of do their thing and and
Speaker 3: it's like like Justin was saying it it is interesting
Speaker 3: and and it's but it is Uh at this moment,
Speaker 3: I don't believe we're in Satan's little season, but uh,
Speaker 3: I think it is interesting and I and I and
Speaker 3: since since somebody can go verse by verse and explain
Speaker 3: why they believe something, then I have no problem having
Speaker 3: them come on my show and express why they believe it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's a When you can do that,
Speaker 3: then then I then I don't mind. But if you're
Speaker 3: gonna come on and just give your opinion, then that
Speaker 3: that's different, you know. But I don't mind somebody coming
Speaker 3: on doing a verse by verse just like Justin would
Speaker 3: have or you know, and and explain why they believe that.
Speaker 3: But we need to understand that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Matthew twenty four thirty six through thirty seven, it says,
Speaker 3: but of that day and hour no one knows but
Speaker 3: even the angels of heaven but my father only. But
Speaker 3: as the days of Noah were, so also will be
Speaker 3: the coming of the Son of Man. Be right. So
Speaker 3: we do need to understand that. We don't want to
Speaker 3: get caught off guard, and we need to keep what
Speaker 3: we're doing, you know, we need to be spreading the gospel.
Speaker 3: We need to keep people in the world. We need
Speaker 3: to bring the Word alive. We need people to be
Speaker 3: We need to keep doing our job. You know, Jesus
Speaker 3: doesn't say that He's not letting us know. And plus
Speaker 3: he's trying to keep it a secret from the devil
Speaker 3: when he's coming and when tribulation is going to come
Speaker 3: as well, So the devil needs to be surprised. So
Speaker 3: when people are trying to tell you that they know
Speaker 3: that the rapture's coming next week or in two weeks,
Speaker 3: or God gave me a vision and dream and and
Speaker 3: God does say he comes to prophets and visions and
Speaker 3: dreams and numbers twelve verses four through eight. I spoke
Speaker 3: to Moses face to face. He does say that. But
Speaker 3: people need to understand that nobody knows the time of
Speaker 3: the hour. So when you sit here and you try
Speaker 3: to give dates, which I'm telling you, guys, there has
Speaker 3: been let me see how many people that I have
Speaker 3: just on this list of people that have given dates
Speaker 3: that the rapture is coming, and what that makes them
Speaker 3: is false prophets. Right, So there was back in twenty
Speaker 3: sixty date setter. There's all the way to thirteen sixty five,
Speaker 3: sixteen sixty sixteen sixty eight, sixteen eighty nine, eighteen sixty six,
Speaker 3: eighteen thirty six, eighteen forty seven. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: bore you guys with the names because you won't even
Speaker 3: know the people are until you get to like C. T.
Speaker 3: Russell Set, which is gonna I think that might be
Speaker 3: the Jove's wittest guy eighteen seventy four, nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four, two thousands. I mean, all these people
Speaker 3: have been trying to tell you that the rapture's coming,
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that that was a rapture back
Speaker 3: in the debt back in twenty eighty where they were
Speaker 3: talking about the rapture happening, but they were just there
Speaker 3: were just date setting that Jesus is coming back during
Speaker 3: that time. So yeah, there's been a lot of people
Speaker 3: doing that, and lately that happened with that guy Caleb
Speaker 3: I think from Africa. And now we have the Internet now,
Speaker 3: so it's even easier for it for the information to
Speaker 3: get out and it's a it's a good way to
Speaker 3: get you know, a good million views, But we don't
Speaker 3: want to be doing that. You know as Christians did
Speaker 3: every year.
Speaker 1: Man, the face of trumpets, He's coming. It's coming every
Speaker 1: year around the face of trumpets.
Speaker 4: Man, it was crazy.
Speaker 2: There's people on the internet that were like big time,
Speaker 2: like have huge accounts and huge followings. It's like, this
Speaker 2: is my last post if you guys level like totally
Speaker 2: believing this shit. But like I'm watching this like these
Speaker 2: people are out of their mind. This reminds me of
Speaker 2: those people that put on nikes and we're waiting for
Speaker 2: Haley's comment, like what is actually going on here?
Speaker 4: And it's it's easy.
Speaker 2: I can see how easily people could get caught up
Speaker 2: and fall into that, especially if they think that they
Speaker 2: are doing the right thing. But man, isn't this another
Speaker 2: one of Satan's tricks.
Speaker 1: Is to you know what I mean? In my opinion,
Speaker 1: it just makes us look like a death could you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? We're constantly, Oh, it's coming, Destruction's coming.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be pulled out, so do what y'all want,
Speaker 1: which I can definitely sympathize with JT how he wraps
Speaker 1: his mind around believing in the Satans Little Season, because
Speaker 1: I believe his reasoning for wanting to believe it is
Speaker 1: correct because he says everybody believes in this pre tribulation rapture,
Speaker 1: he said, so that they're praying for the death of
Speaker 1: the world. He said, that makes them look like a
Speaker 1: death cult. He said. At the same time, if you
Speaker 1: think you got this get out of jail free card,
Speaker 1: then you can do what you want. You could sit
Speaker 1: back let the world just turn into utter shit and
Speaker 1: destruction and moral depravity, and you can just sit back
Speaker 1: and say, oh, well, it's written in the Bible. It's
Speaker 1: going to pass. I can't do nothing about it, so therefore,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna be here for it anyway, so
Speaker 1: just let it all burn. You know, I could definitely
Speaker 1: see that as being problematic because I'm the type of
Speaker 1: person that believes, you know, God give us dominion of
Speaker 1: the earth to subdue it and to rule it. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean this in a a bad way, but
Speaker 1: like even like al Pacino said in The Devil's Advocate,
Speaker 1: he said that, you know, God is a vacant landlord.
Speaker 1: Technically that is kind of true. He does intervene, but
Speaker 1: he give it to us to rule as he rules heaven,
Speaker 1: and he does like the Great Flood, there's times that
Speaker 1: he steps in intervenes when he needs to level the
Speaker 1: playing field. But we are left to our own devices.
Speaker 1: We are to be imagers of God and rule as
Speaker 1: he rules in heaven on earth as it is in heaven.
Speaker 1: So we have to live and die by the decisions
Speaker 1: and choices that we make. And so if we all
Speaker 1: didn't have this, you know, pre tribulation get out of
Speaker 1: jail free card in our minds, I think we would
Speaker 1: be doing a lot better to reach more people, make
Speaker 1: the world a better place around us, and be better
Speaker 1: imagers of God and lords of His realm. And before
Speaker 1: we dive off, I got a couple of verses I
Speaker 1: don't want to thrust you because I've just been kind
Speaker 1: of generally speaking, and I want to to throw them
Speaker 1: out for those that wanted to see the reason why
Speaker 1: I believe that we are going to go through the tribulation.
Speaker 1: John Chapter sixteen, verse thirty three. I have told you
Speaker 1: these things so that in me you may have peace.
Speaker 1: In this world. You will have trouble, but take heart,
Speaker 1: I have overcome the world. So he tells you you're
Speaker 1: going to go through trouble. You're going to go through tribulation.
Speaker 1: Revelation chapter seven, verse fourteen, These are those who have
Speaker 1: come out of the Great tribulation.
Speaker 3: Actually in the New King James, of the King James
Speaker 3: when he said troubled that the word actually is tribulation
Speaker 3: in the New King James with that verse of John nineteen.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it says tribulation literally in the New King James.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so like at the Revelation it says, you know,
Speaker 1: for these are the ones who have come out of
Speaker 1: the Great Tribula. So it tells you that they were
Speaker 1: in it, because they come out of it. Revelation three ten.
Speaker 1: Since you have kept my commandment to endure patiently, I
Speaker 1: will also keep you from the hour of trial that
Speaker 1: is going to come on the whole earth to test
Speaker 1: the inhabitants of earth. Revelation twenty two twelve. Look I
Speaker 1: am coming soon. My reward is coming with me, and
Speaker 1: I will give to each person according to what they
Speaker 1: have done. And I got two more Matthew twenty five
Speaker 1: thirty two. All the nations will be gathered before him,
Speaker 1: and he will separate the people one from another, as
Speaker 1: a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And Revelation
Speaker 1: nine to four. This is the fifth trumpet. Hurt not
Speaker 1: the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees till we
Speaker 1: have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Speaker 1: So if we are raptured out, why do we need
Speaker 1: marks of protection?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, and it gets it's very interesting and the
Speaker 3: verses that you and and you know what, I think
Speaker 3: it's it's the most important justin for us to be
Speaker 3: reading scripture, you know. I know that sometimes we just
Speaker 3: like you were doing right there, I think it's most
Speaker 3: important people need to hear it. What happens is, uh,
Speaker 3: a lot of people will paraphrase or they'll just be
Speaker 3: like you know, they'll they'll try to say a scripture,
Speaker 3: and I think it's most important to read it out loud, verse,
Speaker 3: word for word the way that you were doing that,
Speaker 3: you know. And I try to do that on as
Speaker 3: many shows as I can, because some people get it twisted,
Speaker 3: you know, and then you know there, I'm.
Speaker 4: Sorry one hundred bro.
Speaker 2: Because since I've been following along with your Bible studies,
Speaker 2: I can tell when people are speaking about the Bible
Speaker 2: because they've heard people talking about certain stories, and I
Speaker 2: can tell when people actually are well versed in the Bible.
Speaker 2: Like me, I'm not well versed in the Bible, so
Speaker 2: I'm easily manipulated when I listened to people talk. So
Speaker 2: it's very important for me to go back to the
Speaker 2: Bible and know these things because I'm not gonna I
Speaker 2: don't like to give names. But a cool influencer that
Speaker 2: I like to follow, started saying some things and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: hang on, And she was talking about Adam and Eve
Speaker 2: and what really took place there, and what she was
Speaker 2: saying was like not vibing with what I've read, And
Speaker 2: so I wrote to her and I was like, that
Speaker 2: sounds like somebody that heard of the story of Adam
Speaker 2: and Eve and didn't actually read the Bible, and just
Speaker 2: being able to know that if I didn't listen along
Speaker 2: and read and read along with you, then I would
Speaker 2: have been easily drifted, like pulled in to her belief.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And what happens is there's a lot of
Speaker 3: things where they don't clarify like I heard justin a
Speaker 3: lot on which I love that he does and I
Speaker 3: try to do as well. When I'm teaching, I'm clarifying
Speaker 3: where the information is coming from because there might be
Speaker 3: something in Josephus's writing something in Josh the Book of Josher,
Speaker 3: there might be something that we're talking about. And if
Speaker 3: you don't clarify that, the people that are listening intently,
Speaker 3: who don't want to go and do the research themselves,
Speaker 3: they're going to think that is in the Bible, and
Speaker 3: then they're going to be like, oh, in the Tower
Speaker 3: of Abbel, you know it, this is what happened. And
Speaker 3: then and then when you read the actual scriptures, like
Speaker 3: in Genesis, then it's because it came from Josephus's writings
Speaker 3: or it came from the Book of Josher. And I'm
Speaker 3: noticing that. That's why it's good to clarify first that
Speaker 3: this is where I got this information from. And then
Speaker 3: you say it, which I've heard justin on his you
Speaker 3: Dig podcast say that and also on his recent episodes
Speaker 3: that he does as well. And I think it's vastly important.
Speaker 3: People are listening intently and they're trusting what you're saying.
Speaker 3: And now you've gone from being a podcaster to becoming
Speaker 3: a teacher, which in the Book of James it says
Speaker 3: teaching is not for everybody, because we're going to be
Speaker 3: judged more than the average person. So now we are
Speaker 3: sitting here, uh, and we're also benefiting financially from it.
Speaker 3: So now we're going from being just regular podcasters to
Speaker 3: being teachers of the Word. And I think it's important
Speaker 3: for us to understand what we're what are wrong?
Speaker 2: Don't you at that point, don't you put that on me, Ricky, Bobby,
Speaker 2: don't you put that evil on me. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know enough to be teaching anything. I'm learning
Speaker 2: and hopefully the people that listen to the podcast are
Speaker 2: learning with me. I am not an authority figure on this.
Speaker 2: I cannot quote Bible scripture, and I believe I have
Speaker 2: faith and I'm learning, So don't take anything I say
Speaker 2: as coming from the Word.
Speaker 1: That's the same thing with me. I tell people, I
Speaker 1: mean I like to read, and I've studied this stuff
Speaker 1: for a long time, and i have my opinions, and
Speaker 1: I will, you know, deep die a subject or a scripture,
Speaker 1: and I'll my best to read the verses to you
Speaker 1: and let you know what they say. And if I
Speaker 1: do add other extra biblical sources, I try to cite
Speaker 1: those and try to formulate my idea. But I try
Speaker 1: to give everybody the information I try to put the
Speaker 1: cards on the table, and I'm like, Okay, with all
Speaker 1: the cards on the table, I believe X y Z.
Speaker 1: Because of this passage and this passage here and this
Speaker 1: extra biblical source. It makes me believe this. But I
Speaker 1: tell people, don't take my word for it, because you
Speaker 1: can look at the same set of cards and come
Speaker 1: to a different conclusion. So I try to examine the stuff,
Speaker 1: give my opinions and interpretations on the stuff, but I
Speaker 1: highly encourage people to look into it for themselves because
Speaker 1: number one, that's the only way that you're going to
Speaker 1: truly accept an idea is if you believe it's yours
Speaker 1: and you come to that decision yourself. But also, at
Speaker 1: the same time, like Josh said, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be viewed as an all knowing wizard and have all
Speaker 1: the answers, because nothing would pain me more in my
Speaker 1: spirit than to mislead somebody and cost them their salvation
Speaker 1: or their relationship with God or reading their book because
Speaker 1: they just rely on me because I got it all
Speaker 1: figured out. I don't. We are all on this journey.
Speaker 1: We are all trying to strive and learn and grow
Speaker 1: closer to God. And I just try to fascilitate excursions
Speaker 1: into the word.
Speaker 2: Let me see, let me see if I can if
Speaker 2: I can make your point here that everybody reads these
Speaker 2: cards differently, so to speak. So the other day I
Speaker 2: text Josh and I asked him a question because I
Speaker 2: was having a moral issue with something and I really
Speaker 2: didn't know where it landed. So I want to learn
Speaker 2: Spanish because I work with a lot of people that
Speaker 2: speak Spanish and there's just a language barrier there and
Speaker 2: I think it would be easier to speak it. And
Speaker 2: my mom suggested that I download Babel and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to use that, and she was like,
Speaker 2: well why not? And I was like, because it's a
Speaker 2: spit in the face. It's like a mockery to God.
Speaker 2: I was like, the whole story was he didn't want
Speaker 2: them creating this tower to reach him, and so he
Speaker 2: changed the languages so that they wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: continue their work and for us to have an app
Speaker 2: to just be like a middle finger to him, like
Speaker 2: look at what we're doing now. And the fact that
Speaker 2: they called it Babel is why I won't mess with it.
Speaker 2: Is like I want to learn the language, but no,
Speaker 2: you're calling it Babel. That's like, that's like a middle
Speaker 2: finger to me, and I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2: Like where do you think? Like, is am I wrong
Speaker 2: on this?
Speaker 1: Uh? Well with me? And like I said, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm different than a lot of people, But I'm one
Speaker 1: of those type of people that thinks one person's sin
Speaker 1: or conviction is not the other. You know, when I
Speaker 1: read the Bible, I read that Jesus's first miracle he
Speaker 1: turned water into wine. That was his first miracle. It
Speaker 1: wasn't unfermented grape juice, No, the text says it was white.
Speaker 1: At the dinners and Last Supper, they drink wine and
Speaker 1: he says, I will not partake of this wine anymore
Speaker 1: until the new heabit of New Earth comes. So do
Speaker 1: I think drinking is a sin? No? Not at all?
Speaker 1: But can it? Can a person turn it into a sin? One?
Speaker 1: And just as you're coming through it right now, there's
Speaker 1: some people that can have a beer or two and
Speaker 1: wash the football game or have it with their dinner
Speaker 1: and it doesn't control them. Then they can stop after
Speaker 1: one or two. But there's some people that can't. They
Speaker 1: can't control themselves. So you can't just say I'm going
Speaker 1: to outlaw alcohol for everybody because it has a negative
Speaker 1: effect on me. It's my sin, so therefore it's everybody sin.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I believe it's one person's sin,
Speaker 1: it is not the other. And I think your convictions
Speaker 1: are the same. You know, obviously you felt convicted not
Speaker 1: to do that, then I think you should follow that.
Speaker 1: I think that's Some people call it a conscience, some
Speaker 1: people call it the Holy spirit. But either way, I
Speaker 1: try to trust that inner voice a lot as much
Speaker 1: as I can, and when I ignore it, I usually regret
Speaker 1: it nine out ten times.
Speaker 4: Hey, justin do you think you gave me a different answer? Huh?
Speaker 4: Do you think you gave me a different answer than Josh?
Speaker 1: No, probably not. He probably said the exact same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just smiling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So me personally, I wouldn't care about using
Speaker 1: that app just because of the name, because the end,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, God is in control.
Speaker 1: If he didn't want us to be able to communicate
Speaker 1: with other languages, he wouldn't have made the person come
Speaker 1: up with that app babble. He wouldn't have. And if
Speaker 1: you didn't use that a there's a hundred other ones
Speaker 1: so that the end results the same. But if you
Speaker 1: can feel convicted that that is a middle finger to
Speaker 1: the Creator, then out by all means yes, don't use it.
Speaker 3: You can use that to put a middle finger to Satan.
Speaker 3: You know why. You can learn different languages and start
Speaker 3: spreading the Gospel in different languages.
Speaker 1: So you can tell me.
Speaker 3: That middle finger that they maybe did to the most
Speaker 3: high and you can flip it right back on Satan
Speaker 3: and say, you know what, I'm going to learn all
Speaker 3: these languages so I could spread the Gospel to more people.
Speaker 3: So that's something I thought about after I talked to you,
Speaker 3: and then as well, I get that.
Speaker 2: I just want to say, like a tool is in
Speaker 2: how you use it, right, Like a gun can be
Speaker 2: used as a good thing or a bad thing. However,
Speaker 2: if I know the intention of the person that made
Speaker 2: that weapon, I'm going to use the same weapon made
Speaker 2: by somebody else that didn't have that same intention. So
Speaker 2: there's other apps out there that I can use.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was telling you that you know that
Speaker 3: you could use other ones, but I think that I
Speaker 3: would say as well as a lot like I told
Speaker 3: you as well, that there's we use in Instagram, we
Speaker 3: use TikTok, we use YouTube, and all these people that
Speaker 3: created those they might not have been. We used the
Speaker 3: world Wide Web, I mean that came from CERN. There's
Speaker 3: all these different things that we use as well. So
Speaker 3: I think that when you get convicted like you did,
Speaker 3: and if you hit me up out of nowhere about that,
Speaker 3: then obviously you should follow that. And you felt that
Speaker 3: way for a reason. So, like I said, same exact
Speaker 3: thing that justin basically said, I you feel convicted, then
Speaker 3: listen to the voice.
Speaker 2: You know, it's weird that I chose chose that battle though,
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm sitting here talking to you on
Speaker 2: an apple product that has a bite taken out of
Speaker 2: it that could you know, like.
Speaker 3: That's forbidden fruit. Yeah it was forbidden fruit. But I
Speaker 3: think that doctor has a different interpretation of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, But I'm saying that the intention behind it, right,
Speaker 2: the intention behind it is what I'm talking about. And
Speaker 2: so I'm being hypocritical, is what I'm saying, because I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here talking to you on something that was created
Speaker 2: by some made that had intention behind it that was
Speaker 2: not good.
Speaker 1: But once again, you know what you are around, You're
Speaker 1: using it for good in their scripture. That backs that
Speaker 1: up to what the devil means for harm. God uses
Speaker 1: for good for all those who love him.
Speaker 4: Ooh, I like that that is true.
Speaker 3: And then catalysts. Probably as I'm going through the Word,
Speaker 3: as you've been listening, I'm sure you're finding things where
Speaker 3: you're like, man, I thought that this was there, but
Speaker 3: it's not. And I've been finding stuff like that, and
Speaker 3: I try to mention that people when I'm going through
Speaker 3: the Word, like man, I thought this is there, but
Speaker 3: it's not. But and the times that God does intervene too,
Speaker 3: that's really interesting that you know that Justin was talking
Speaker 3: about that God's sovereignty. I'm noticing that, Bro, I.
Speaker 4: Didn't know anything.
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about Saul. Like he's not talked
Speaker 2: about in my It hasn't been talked about in my
Speaker 2: life people around me. So like you reading through that
Speaker 2: is my first time hearing that, So like I'm hearing
Speaker 2: things for the very first time.
Speaker 4: It's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And honestly, I've read through the Bible right with
Speaker 3: my wife, and when we read through the Bible, I
Speaker 3: was reading through the Bible just to get through the Bible. Oh,
Speaker 3: I got I got ten chapters done today.
Speaker 2: Yay.
Speaker 3: You know that's what I was kind of doing back
Speaker 3: in the day. And then doing this, you know, three
Speaker 3: chapters at a time, study and two hour studies on
Speaker 3: it is has been helping me as well.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: So God is just you know, oops on my screen
Speaker 3: went weird right there? Okay, Yeah, so that God has
Speaker 3: been helping me as well creating this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. With every episode, every episode that you do, there
Speaker 2: isn't something where I'm like, oh man, I do that constantly.
Speaker 2: That's something I need, I need to work on. And
Speaker 2: what it what it does is it doesn't necessarily make
Speaker 2: me stop doing those things one hundred percent, but I'm
Speaker 2: more aware and I feel really awful after I do them,
Speaker 2: like immediately, And so now I'm working on those things,
Speaker 2: whereas before it was uh sin, no big deal, like
Speaker 2: don't even think about it as I'm doing something as
Speaker 2: it's something wrong, you know, And now I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, like I can't be doing that anymore.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That's the Holy Spirit, man. And what's funny is about
Speaker 1: Saul is I've told people this because it's kind of
Speaker 1: like one of my convictions is when I read Saul,
Speaker 1: I see a guy that loves the Lord. But he's
Speaker 1: one of those lean on my own strength kind of guys.
Speaker 1: And it says that when they picked him, they picked
Speaker 1: him because they said they wanted a king like the
Speaker 1: other nations, because the other nations were the refinem, the giants.
Speaker 1: They had giants for kings, and there were giant warriors.
Speaker 1: And it says that Saul was a head and shoulders
Speaker 1: taller than any other Israelite, so that's why they picked him.
Speaker 1: He was a warrior. He was a giant warrior king. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but when you go through and read his accounts, what happens.
Speaker 1: He always relies on his own strength instead of leaning
Speaker 1: on God. And the thing that got him, you know,
Speaker 1: severed from God was he was supposed to wait for
Speaker 1: the prophet to come and make a sacrifice before they
Speaker 1: went into war. Well, the prophet was running late. He
Speaker 1: didn't show up on time, so I was ready to go.
Speaker 1: So he didn't think it was important to wait on
Speaker 1: the prophet. He thought it was important to just do
Speaker 1: the sacrifice. So he's like, well, I can do that,
Speaker 1: So he just grabs an animal, does the sacrifice, does
Speaker 1: all the rights, just like the prophet did. But the
Speaker 1: prophet shows up and sees what he's done, He's like,
Speaker 1: you didn't, really, you didn't wait on me like I
Speaker 1: told you to. God told you to wait on me,
Speaker 1: and I was supposed to do this. Because you've done this,
Speaker 1: you're cut off now. But time and time again, you
Speaker 1: see that instead of being patient and waiting on God
Speaker 1: to move, he always tries to lean on his own
Speaker 1: strength and do things his own way. And that's what
Speaker 1: with all the time is God's strengthen up and try
Speaker 1: to do it myself.
Speaker 2: I'm curious, why do you guys think he saved some
Speaker 2: of the livestock and the leaders when he was supposed
Speaker 2: to slaughter everyone.
Speaker 1: Greed?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, greed and also as you see he those
Speaker 3: are the Amalekites and what they what they what they
Speaker 3: did is they actually came from behind to take out
Speaker 3: the pregnant women and the week. That's what That's what happened.
Speaker 3: And then God to destroy all of them. But like
Speaker 3: it is greed if he thought basically, hey, this this
Speaker 3: stuff is still good, so I might as well just
Speaker 3: take it. And uh, he also kept the king alive. Uh,
Speaker 3: so he didn't destroy all the men, women, and children
Speaker 3: of the tribe, you know, so very very big problem
Speaker 3: on his part. But I think you brought up a
Speaker 3: good point justin where he just thinks, hey, I'm king,
Speaker 3: I could I could go ahead and do the sacrifice.
Speaker 3: And it was Samuel that he was waiting on. And
Speaker 3: Samuel when he came, Samuel was really disappointed, like this
Speaker 3: is not a little issue. This is this is huge,
Speaker 3: like that you did this and he didn't understand it.
Speaker 3: As a king, I could be priests as a king,
Speaker 3: I could be prophet as a king. I could do
Speaker 3: this because I'm king. But he doesn't understand that there's
Speaker 3: different roles that you need to play, you know, And
Speaker 3: and Saul wasn't understanding that, and Saul was not leaning
Speaker 3: on it. He was leaning on his own understanding, like
Speaker 3: like it says not to do in Proverbs three. I
Speaker 3: think it's a verse five or something like that. But
Speaker 3: also I think it's interesting about King Saul. I think
Speaker 3: when you in first Amuel twenty eight catalysts, he now
Speaker 3: need he wants God right. Samuel is gone, right, he's dead,
Speaker 3: and he's like and he's asking God. He's basically trying
Speaker 3: to be in the ark of the Covenant when he's
Speaker 3: going to go to battle and it's not working. So
Speaker 3: then he goes to the Witch of Endoor to summon Samuel.
Speaker 3: Now he at this time, he's struggling. He needs God now,
Speaker 3: like I need God, So let me just go to
Speaker 3: the Witch of Ondoor and and bring this spirit of
Speaker 3: Samuel up out of the earth. Which is really interesting, right,
Speaker 3: That's that kind of goes along with my biblical cosmology. Right,
Speaker 3: I believe that Shiel is in the earth. But what
Speaker 3: do you think about that catalyst? When I was talking
Speaker 3: about that, because I think it was interesting that he
Speaker 3: goes to speak to this medium. The Bible well literally
Speaker 3: says that that that Samuel came out of the earth,
Speaker 3: which I believe you would be in shield right at
Speaker 3: that time. And Uh, what'd you think when I went
Speaker 3: over that part?
Speaker 2: That was kind of interesting, right, I I was thinking,
Speaker 2: have you seen the movie with Ben Stiller Meet the Parents? Yes,
Speaker 2: and he just keeps doing dumb stuff over and over
Speaker 2: again and you're.
Speaker 4: Like, don't do that. Why what are you doing? Like
Speaker 4: that's what I was that was.
Speaker 2: I remember I was walking my dog, uh, and I
Speaker 2: was like, why why are you doing this? Like clearly
Speaker 2: you have to know that you you shouldn't be doing this,
Speaker 2: and uh, the witchcraft and magic. It's a it's a
Speaker 2: very funny thing because there's a lot of people in
Speaker 2: our conspiracy world that I'm friends with that dabble in
Speaker 2: this this kind of stuff, and it's I don't know
Speaker 2: if it is for me to say, you know, like
Speaker 2: we are supposed to be speaking, but like I'm not
Speaker 2: anybody of hey, you shouldn't be doing that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I had on Nick from the Occult and he was
Speaker 2: going through one of his rituals like what he does
Speaker 2: to prepare for it and everything, and then he said
Speaker 2: and then I pray And I said, well who do
Speaker 2: you pray to? And he said, I pray to Jesus?
Speaker 2: And I said, well, doesn't it say not to practice magic.
Speaker 4: In the Bible?
Speaker 2: And you know, like he had a reason for that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know what your guys take on that.
Speaker 1: Which I think that reaffirm is kind of like byde
Speaker 1: the I was talking about with Saul, because once again
Speaker 1: he's waiting on the Lord. He's praying to the Lord.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be waiting, but what does he do?
Speaker 1: He forces it, He goes out. He's like, well, I
Speaker 1: will force a response. I will go get this witch
Speaker 1: and she will give me what I need. And either way,
Speaker 1: as long as I get a hold of somebody and
Speaker 1: get the Lord's word, it doesn't matter how I get it,
Speaker 1: that's not important.
Speaker 2: I gotta say too, if that sounded like I was
Speaker 2: bagging on you at all, brother, love you like nothing
Speaker 2: but love here.
Speaker 1: We love Nick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, so yeah. I think what they do
Speaker 3: is they because I think I've talked to I've talked
Speaker 3: to somebody on this, But I think what they're trying
Speaker 3: to do is they try to pray to Jesus to
Speaker 3: clear the spirit the evil spirits away or something like
Speaker 3: is if there's evil and good spirits dealing when you're
Speaker 3: dealing with in witchcraft. But yeah, I think that you're
Speaker 3: right though, justin about Saul, like that's what he was doing.
Speaker 3: He was, But it's a lesson learned that when you
Speaker 3: have God and you're close to God, don't separate yourself
Speaker 3: from God. Just keep you know, keep on going, you know.
Speaker 3: And what happened is he separated himself from God and
Speaker 3: now he's like regretting it because he's going into battle
Speaker 3: with the Philistines, and he's like, uh, you know, but
Speaker 3: what happened is Samuel, which I believe it was Samuel
Speaker 3: because of the message that he told them, comes up
Speaker 3: from the dead and lets him know, like you're gonna
Speaker 3: be tomorrow in battle. You're gonna be dying, right, and
Speaker 3: you're gonna die, and so is Jonathan, right, So I
Speaker 3: can imagine how he felt at that moment. But he
Speaker 3: had so many chances to follow God's word and to
Speaker 3: follow him, and you see how he doesn't. But it
Speaker 3: happens throughout the Bible and the times that God does
Speaker 3: get involved. If you guys noticed in the New Time
Speaker 3: or the Old Testament, I think catalyst were probably see
Speaker 3: this is most of the time, they're my daughter's right here.
Speaker 3: You guys are gonna see your head kind of pop up.
Speaker 3: But I'm not trying.
Speaker 2: She's just holding anyway, Hey, before you transition, though, I
Speaker 2: wanted to say because there was a parallel there.
Speaker 4: While Saul was.
Speaker 2: Not being able to be patient, at the same time,
Speaker 2: David was being able to be patient because there was
Speaker 2: so many opportunities for him to take out Saul.
Speaker 4: And he was like, well, I'm.
Speaker 2: Relying on you Lord, Like uh, you know, and he
Speaker 2: was able to be patient, and so you were seeing
Speaker 2: that parallel right there.
Speaker 1: And he was a man after God's own heart. I
Speaker 1: think that was the difference. I mean, Sol screwed up,
Speaker 1: but he was probably I'm the king, you know, what
Speaker 1: I did was not that bad. God will get over it,
Speaker 1: you know kind of mentality where David, when he screwed up, man,
Speaker 1: he fell to his knees and weeped and cried and
Speaker 1: begged for God's forgiveness, and God forgave him every time.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a great example in the Bible
Speaker 1: when people want to do self examination and have that
Speaker 1: negative talk about themselves. I'm not worthy, I sin every day,
Speaker 1: I'm this, I'm that, I'm you know, God wouldn't love me.
Speaker 1: God wouldn't do this. Look at David, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he was a womanizer. The wives he had.
Speaker 3: Institute children from six different wives.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. He slept with a married man's woman and
Speaker 1: then murdered him so he could steal the woman from him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't it wicked, evil stuff, but he
Speaker 1: begged for God's forgiveness every time.
Speaker 3: That's Sunday Service, the one that's coming out right now.
Speaker 3: Kind of the stuff go over the Basiba situation with.
Speaker 2: David, okay, because I'm just curious because his children didn't
Speaker 2: fare out all that well, if I'm not mist right.
Speaker 3: That's the chaos. The reason why you have chaos like
Speaker 3: that is because you have six different wives with six
Speaker 3: different children. Now, Like the crazy thing about it is
Speaker 3: when it's mentioned in the Bible that about him having
Speaker 3: six different wives of six different children, it doesn't say
Speaker 3: that God didn't you know, God didn't approve of that.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that God does approve of it, but
Speaker 3: that's kind of to me. I would think that David
Speaker 3: having six different wives, with six different six different children,
Speaker 3: six different wives, that it would say right there that
Speaker 3: God didn't approve of it. But it does talk about
Speaker 3: when when David does go to Bathsheba. When he does that,
Speaker 3: you know, obviously God, it says that God was displeased
Speaker 3: that hurt God. You know that he did that. So
Speaker 3: he's taken a married man's wife and and and all that.
Speaker 3: But there's a whole struggle that he goes through. I
Speaker 3: don't want to give you any spoiler alerts because I
Speaker 3: know you're probably gonna listen to the show kind of
Speaker 3: this on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, but I'm waiting to watch I'm waiting to
Speaker 2: watch the show until we finish, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's interesting. So it's just God,
Speaker 3: it says that that displeased God. And also, guys, we
Speaker 3: got to understand that the Israelites when they chose to
Speaker 3: have a human king, God also says to Samuel because
Speaker 3: Samuel is kind of disappointed that they're not not choosing you, Samuel,
Speaker 3: you know, they're not choosing me, and and it disappointed
Speaker 3: God that the fact that they choose a human king.
Speaker 3: And then God also tells them exactly what's going to
Speaker 3: happen by having a human king, and they still chose
Speaker 3: to have a human king. So they chose instead of
Speaker 3: having God because they have to have their ps and
Speaker 3: q's in order, they have to have their priests in order,
Speaker 3: and they have to have all these things in order.
Speaker 3: Now they're just like, you know what, we want a
Speaker 3: human king, just like the raphaim and just like these
Speaker 3: other tribes, and they still chose to have it. So
Speaker 3: I think that whole Uh, that's that's what I talk about. About. People.
Speaker 3: We got to understand people that the old Testament is
Speaker 3: a foundation. You have to read the Old Testament to
Speaker 3: understand the New and for you to be able to
Speaker 3: appreciate Jesus in the first place and what he did.
Speaker 3: So I think it's vastly important. I think Justin would
Speaker 3: agree that that people read the Old Testament and the
Speaker 3: New Testament and that way they understand everything instead of
Speaker 3: just conscrain much on the New Testament. It's it's you'll
Speaker 3: know both.
Speaker 2: So, guys, we're coming up on ten minutes left here,
Speaker 2: and I before Justin, did you want to piggyback off
Speaker 2: of that?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, I mean I couldn't say anything different than
Speaker 1: what Josh said. This maybe in some country bumpkin terminology,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: All right, cool, Well with the last ten minutes before
Speaker 2: I let you guys plug, I wanted to just jump
Speaker 2: into fantastical really quick. Man. Justin you wrote you wrote
Speaker 2: the epic of Esau and Bigfoots in the Bible, and
Speaker 2: Josh you've been on so many shows using verses to
Speaker 2: prove flat Earth, which is amazing. So these are both
Speaker 2: fantastical things. Is there anything else, like, Justin, is there
Speaker 2: another cryptic that you believe is in the Bible? Talked
Speaker 2: about anything like that.
Speaker 1: Just oh yeah, I mean there's so many. There's so many.
Speaker 1: You got the line faced men of Moab, you have,
Speaker 1: you have vampire allusions to vampires, because I talk about
Speaker 1: it in the book the Amalekites. They were known sorcerers
Speaker 1: and shape shifters, and their name, the etymology of their
Speaker 1: name means the blood liquors. So you have all kinds
Speaker 1: of references to witches, to dog men, line face men, sasquatches,
Speaker 1: which is vampires. Man, this book is better than any
Speaker 1: Marvel comic book ever. And if people will just dive
Speaker 1: into the original meanings, the original language and words and terminologies,
Speaker 1: read some of these extra biblical books that people are
Speaker 1: so afraid of. It gives a lot of historical contexts
Speaker 1: and beliefs of the people at the time. It helps
Speaker 1: you better understand this awesomely supernatural book.
Speaker 4: Yes it is.
Speaker 2: It is so so cool, man, And I wish that
Speaker 2: it was taught better in churches, because there is nothing
Speaker 2: more boring to a kid than having to go and
Speaker 2: sit through these things in church. And if they would
Speaker 2: make it as interesting as it really is, then I
Speaker 2: mean we.
Speaker 4: Could have so many more Christians on board.
Speaker 3: I think. I think what happens is they a lot
Speaker 3: of churches and a lot of mainstream people will they
Speaker 3: compromise to not go against what science says. So they
Speaker 3: don't want to bring certain things up because the audience
Speaker 3: might not want to come back the next week. And
Speaker 3: it's about keeping the butts in the seat. But they
Speaker 3: don't understand that if they brought it alive like some
Speaker 3: like Justin's book, and and like some people when they
Speaker 3: teach the Word of God they bring it alive. The
Speaker 3: reason why it brings it alive because it's truth, you know.
Speaker 3: And when you talk about the nepheline in the Bible,
Speaker 3: and you talk about, you know, biblical cosmology, it's basically
Speaker 3: taking the word for what it is, you know, and
Speaker 3: and it's it's word for word. And Justin when he's
Speaker 3: talking about Esau, I don't know if you remember Catalyst,
Speaker 3: when I was when I was going over that in Genesis,
Speaker 3: I I was, I was kind of like, look at
Speaker 3: how he's described, you know, he's not He's described that
Speaker 3: way for a reason. Now is it? Is it full
Speaker 3: on bigfoot in the Bible the way Justin says. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm very open to that but it is something if
Speaker 3: you just read it just word for word, that is,
Speaker 3: there's a reason why it was described like that, and
Speaker 3: there's a reason why that that you know that that
Speaker 3: Abraham didn't want Isaac to marry anybody that are Canaanknites,
Speaker 3: and he sent him forty or fifty miles away to
Speaker 3: go back to Mesopotanea to have somebody that was from
Speaker 3: his tribe, Abraham's tribe. And then he does the same
Speaker 3: thing with Jacob. He sends him back to you know,
Speaker 3: to get Leah and and Rebecca right, So you're seeing
Speaker 3: that there was something going on around them, the Canaanites,
Speaker 3: that they wanted to stay away from. And then, just
Speaker 3: as Justin probably brings up in his book, you saw
Speaker 3: Esau how he married a whole right, which is like
Speaker 3: a part of the giant tribes, and he was able
Speaker 3: to do that. So there's things in the Bible that
Speaker 3: it's to make the Bible come alive. But you have
Speaker 3: to understand Genesis sixpert to come alive, right, And then
Speaker 3: you see when God gets involved in the Old Testament.
Speaker 3: In Genesis, he's getting involved usually when it's depending when
Speaker 3: it's something that's gonna catastrophically change the world, or when
Speaker 3: the Raphaem or the Nephilim are involved. Even in Joshua ten,
Speaker 3: when he stops the moon and the sun from moving,
Speaker 3: it's because they're fighting against the Amorites. And if you
Speaker 3: look at the Four King Five King war after that war,
Speaker 3: it says at the very end that God is not
Speaker 3: through with the Amorites. Right, So you're seeing these things
Speaker 3: that it comes alive to you all the way through
Speaker 3: the book of Genesis and all the way through Deuteronomy, Exodus.
Speaker 3: All these different things come alive to you when you
Speaker 3: understand that narrative. And I'm not saying that's the most
Speaker 3: important narrative to understand. All I'm saying is if pastors
Speaker 3: and churches would kind of hit on that and understand
Speaker 3: it more than what they gets hot about, you know
Speaker 3: it being that you know Seth and Cain night view,
Speaker 3: then they would bring the Bible alive more and I
Speaker 3: think it would bring more people into the church. And
Speaker 3: also it brings out a lot more points when you're
Speaker 3: for people to understand why the flood happened, why God
Speaker 3: is going to kill all the men, women and children
Speaker 3: with these certain tribes and It also gives you a
Speaker 3: better argument than against atheists when they try to say,
Speaker 3: you see your God, He's not graceful like he says
Speaker 3: in the New Testament. You know, it's it's you hot
Speaker 3: to understand the whole entire story. So that would be
Speaker 3: very important for people to understand and for pastors to understand.
Speaker 3: And that's why people buy Justin's book because he's explaining
Speaker 3: stuff like that and he has understanding of that. And
Speaker 3: that's why people are interested in this stuff because it
Speaker 3: is truth and it really brings the Bible of life.
Speaker 1: So and you can use it as bait, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's what I try to do. I
Speaker 1: try to have these interesting conversations that are true, but
Speaker 1: they're also exciting, and it gets people in the door.
Speaker 1: And once you get them in the door, then you
Speaker 1: can hit them with the Holy Spirit and the real truth.
Speaker 1: You know. I love being from End of the World News.
Speaker 1: Me and him has recently become friends, and I love
Speaker 1: how he talks about his ministry. He says, Ah, he said,
Speaker 1: I have an uber ministry, he said, besides my podcast,
Speaker 1: he said, And I tell people that I like to
Speaker 1: black peel my people. But then I'll let them wash
Speaker 1: it down with the class of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 4: I love it, guys.
Speaker 2: Why don't you let everybody know where they can find
Speaker 2: your amazing work?
Speaker 4: Justin Josh go ahead?
Speaker 3: All right, right, sorry, since I was up the writing
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Wednesday Service. Shout out to Jonathan Jacob. Really appreciate them
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Speaker 3: verse by verse study on every single week. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm very consistent on that. But yeah, definitely. And then
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Speaker 2: and trust me, I know absolutely nothing. Because listening to
Speaker 2: people is way different than listening to and reading along
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Speaker 2: and as a conspiracy theorist, it opens your eyes up
Speaker 2: and you start to understand things a lot better. And
Speaker 2: I thank you guys so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: It's always fun talking with both of you. Justin I'll
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