WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:29.920 When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll? 3 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.119 The question why. 4 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:41.079 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 5 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:48.479 truth we find? They built their tails on grafts and 6 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:54.200 lines on theories they stake their designed. 7 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:02.759 Put down here on this solid graph the answer screen. 8 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:03.320 There. 9 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:07.840 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 10 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:11.400 for another edition of the flat Earth Files podcast. 11 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:14.359 Yes, we are back a new year. 12 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:18.760 As we record it is Thursday, January sixteenth. 13 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:19.439 Twenty twenty five. 14 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.480 It's incredible that we are already halfway through this first 15 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.760 month of January. I hope everybody is doing well, happy 16 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:30.000 and healthy. We've had it's been very wintry here, lots 17 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.840 of snow, single digit temperatures, but we're supposed to get 18 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:35.599 a bit of a reprieve for the next two days 19 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:39.000 and then back to our win street ways. Ladies and gentlemen, 20 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:41.799 you can check out everything flat earth Files on our website, 21 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:45.040 the flat earthfiles dot com. 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The links to the website and the email 32 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:27.199 address to join us, as always, are in the show description. 33 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:29.879 Joining us for a second round. 34 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:32.280 I think this is only the second or the third 35 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:35.479 person to come on to join us again. He was 36 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:39.719 on episode one fifty five back in March of twenty 37 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:45.719 twenty four. He has recently left Sunnywarm Florida for almost 38 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:50.240 and sunny is Warm Michigan in the winter, which I'm 39 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.479 familiar with. I left Hawaii in December or the fall, 40 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:55.080 i should say, and I went to upstate New York, 41 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:56.159 so it's quite a transition. 42 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:58.919 Justin, welcome back to the program, Sarah, How are. 43 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.719 You, George? Thank you for having me again? 44 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:03.479 Yeah, for sure, thanks for joining us. 45 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.560 And for those who may have not caught episode one 46 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:08.800 fifty five, why don't you give yourself a bit of 47 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:09.439 an introduction? 48 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:15.400 Okay, I am again as we did in the last episode. 49 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:16.599 Would you mind if I open up with a. 50 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.080 Word of pray, that'd be awesome? Thank you all right, 51 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:21.360 ms bow our heads are having me. 52 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:23.719 Father, We thank you for this day and this opportunity 53 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:27.120 to come together and fellowship and to speak in regards 54 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:32.479 to truth, not only truth, which there are many forms 55 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:34.879 of truth, but there is only one who is the truth. 56 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:36.960 And we thank you for this opportunity, Father, to be 57 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.520 witnesses for the Word and for the truth that you 58 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.840 have given through your creation. And also, first and foremost 59 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:45.319 of your scripture, which teaches us of your son. I 60 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.120 asked today that it not be we who speak, but 61 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:49.240 it be your Holy Spirit who speaks through us. That 62 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.400 everything that you would have us learn, we speak for, Father, 63 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.199 and that we hear and understand. Give us eyes to see, 64 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:57.639 years to hear in her to understand all that you 65 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.319 would teach us. Today. In Jesus name, we pray Amen. 66 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:01.439 Amen, thank you for that. 67 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:06.280 Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I don't want to go into too 68 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:08.439 long of an introduction because as you said, there's another 69 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.800 episode in regards for that. But my name is Justin Ellenboss. 70 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:15.680 I am a slave of Jesus Christ, a minister of 71 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:20.639 the Gospel. I have been a flat earther for years now, 72 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:23.319 though I last time we talked about it, I refer 73 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:28.839 to myself as a biblical cosmologist. I believe that flat 74 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:33.079 earth is a fact, that is a truth. But the 75 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.959 truth of all the creation points to Jesus Christ as Lord. 76 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:43.040 And it's always just interesting to me whenever we get 77 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:45.600 into these discussions, whenever you try to whenever you try 78 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:47.600 to I try to bring up the truth with an individual, 79 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:49.600 whether it's flat Earth or whether it's the Gospel. In 80 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:53.279 regards of these things, it always offends. Just the mere 81 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:57.120 conversation of it offends because what we're doing is we 82 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:01.759 are tearing down worldviews and destroying them, and we're doing 83 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:04.480 this by the power of the Truth, the one who 84 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.759 has come and has revealed all things to us. So 85 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:12.079 I am a husband and I have three beautiful children 86 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:14.680 who I want to apologize. My wife is out at 87 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.240 the moment. She's coming back here soon. But if I 88 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:20.040 suddenly have to pause, it's because my children are doing 89 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.560 something to destroy my house or themselves, and I will 90 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:27.000 be back. But as of right now, they're all relaxed 91 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.079 and chilling so that I can meet with you here today. 92 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:36.240 We're a pretty simple family family. We live, we live easy. 93 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:41.439 My wife works from home, like I do dog training 94 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:44.319 with individuals as well. But I also am, as i said, 95 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.319 a minister of the minister of the Gospel. That allows 96 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:49.319 me to be a stay at home dad during the 97 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:52.720 daytime as well, and then do discipleship with men in 98 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:55.199 the evenings and Bible studies of those sorts as well. 99 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:59.399 So it's just been a wonderfully and blessed life by 100 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:03.000 the Lord that really helped to he established for us 101 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:07.680 before everything happened with C. Nineteen back in the or 102 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:11.959 early twenty twenties. And for as much as everything that 103 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:17.480 happened with that, our daily life wasn't really affected by that. Obviously, 104 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:19.519 we were affected by it in other ways, as we 105 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:23.079 talked about the last time we were on here. But yeah, 106 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:26.120 I'm just I'm just a simple man who is a 107 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.079 slave of the Gospel and who is a believer in 108 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:32.839 the truth. And I will the one hill that I 109 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.800 will stand on and I will die on in battle 110 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.120 of words and wit is that the world is not 111 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.639 a globe. Outer space is a lie, and we are 112 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:45.920 in a designed creation. 113 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:51.199 And you know, sharing the Gospel, and then also discussing 114 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:55.879 biblical cosmology with those who may not be you know 115 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.720 that you may not know on a personal basis. I've 116 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:05.680 discipled often in parking lots and outside of walmarts and 117 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.800 things of that nature. I think it's actually harder to 118 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:13.519 discuss biblical cosmology to get anybody's attention for more than 119 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.000 ten seconds than it is to preach the gospel. And 120 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:18.360 we know the Bible is very upfront and tells us 121 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:20.720 that you know if you do it is number one, 122 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:23.519 it's our duty to share the gospel of Jesus Christ, 123 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:25.639 but we're also told we're going to be persecuted for it. 124 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:28.439 But on top of that, when you try to have 125 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.959 a discussion with biblical cosmology, it can be even more 126 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:32.360 difficult to hold someone's attention. 127 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:40.639 Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I it's very similar because again, 128 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:43.639 the truth is just going to offend. When you are 129 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.759 talking to an individual and you are basically telling an 130 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:50.360 individual you have been deceived your entire life and you 131 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:53.639 have believed a lie, it's going to offend because what 132 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:58.360 we're doing is we're undermining, even if they don't know 133 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.720 it consciously, we are undermining foundational beliefs that they've held 134 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.000 on to for so long, that have upheld many different beliefs, 135 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.920 and especially like when it comes to a fellow Christians, 136 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:12.279 there are so many arguments out there that are not 137 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:16.959 biblically based that are used in regards to the universal 138 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:23.439 model that the heliocentric model provides that people will make 139 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:27.839 to try to prove God. In regards to the expanding 140 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:30.000 of the universe and the creation of the universe and 141 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.080 the Big Banganese and all these things, you will have 142 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:34.720 Christians who will talk about how these things which are 143 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:39.960 actually a lie point to Jesus Christ. What's up, buddy, 144 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:42.679 it's an It should be in the bedroom right over there. 145 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:46.960 I don't know, you need a look, sorry about that. 146 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.519 And so when I'm even when I'm trying to talk 147 00:08:52.559 --> 00:09:00.320 to my fellow believers, they they they're so rooted. There's 148 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:06.080 there's this I remember at one time, it's what we 149 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:09.200 do is this ice of Jesus instead of exe Jesus. 150 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.200 In regards to the scripture, where I've seen pastors who 151 00:09:12.240 --> 00:09:15.120 talk about like the destruction of Sodom and Gomorah, well, 152 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:18.480 how do we how do we how do we come 153 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:20.559 to grips with that? In terms to that with that 154 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:23.639 with modern or today is modern day understanding by science 155 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.200 will again, science is the word science just means knowledge. 156 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:30.600 So even the concept of science today, if it is 157 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.039 not biblically based, if it is not in line with 158 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.279 the scriptures, is actually a lie. And therefore it is 159 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.200 only really scientism. But you get pastors who will talk 160 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.960 about Sodom and Gomorah and how that was destroyed, and 161 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:47.919 how God sent meteors from space down onto the Earth, 162 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:52.120 and how this proves the Bible that well, you the 163 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.360 finding and in the discovery of meteors in the twentieth 164 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:59.600 century proves that the that the Lord could send fire 165 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:04.360 down for heaven and destroy these destroy these cities, when 166 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:07.519 in fact, what it really is is there's no outer space. 167 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:10.840 Meteors are a lie. And that's because oh yeah, and 168 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:14.639 that's another thing when you when you're reading spiritual statements 169 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:17.559 made all throughout the Old Testament and through Revelation, where 170 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:19.759 the Lord says that the stars will fall from heaven. 171 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:25.039 I've heard very popular pastors, the YouTube pastors and things 172 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:26.919 like that, and things like that. I won't name any 173 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.080 names at this time because I'm not here to scrutinize them. 174 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.480 But they'll say, well, the stars falling from heaven doesn't 175 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.559 speak of the planet's falling, it speaks of meteors. Because 176 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:40.919 what they're doing is they're interjecting their understanding of a 177 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:46.240 universal creation based off the herealocentric model into their interpretation 178 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:53.679 of the scriptures, instead of taking what the scriptures say 179 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:58.919 and interpreting the world around them through It's it's a 180 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:02.840 flip that is happened and has completely undermined much of 181 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:08.000 much of our evangelism, because what we're doing is we're 182 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.159 putting down our sword, which is the scripture, and we 183 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.360 are picking up these twigs of human knowledge and human 184 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:20.759 understanding that human wisdom is how we should understand truth 185 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:25.039 instead of what God has declared, that his word is 186 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.080 the sword of the spirit, and his word is mighty 187 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.159 for the tearing down a strongholds, that his word is 188 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:33.759 sharper than any two edged sword. And so we've actually 189 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:37.879 gone in. The enemy has looked at us, and they 190 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:40.120 look at us and they say, well, hold on a second, 191 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:43.600 don't Bible thump me. That's unfair. You can't fight me 192 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.559 with that sword. And we're like, okay, well, yeah, I 193 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:48.679 want to be respectful of your opinion. No, I don't 194 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:50.960 want to be respectful of your opinion. You believe a lie. 195 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:56.200 I'm not going I'm not going to entertain your presuppositions 196 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:01.600 that oppose what my Lord has declared. But we have 197 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:05.000 so many modern evangelis who don't want to offend that 198 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.720 instead of taking up the sword and holding faster it. 199 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:09.879 You're right, this isn't going to be much of a 200 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:12.120 fight if I carry this Bible. I'm gonna put the 201 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.120 Bible down and I'm gonna pick up worldly knowledge. I'm 202 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.399 gona pick up human science and let's talk about DNA, 203 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.080 and let's talk about the expanding of the universe and 204 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:23.559 outer space and how these things prove God. Have men 205 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:27.360 done that in a sense, yes, But it's still putting 206 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.840 down the greater weapon, which is the written Word. So 207 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:34.360 I totally agree with you. It's harder because the Christian mindset, 208 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:39.399 even in modernay apologetics, has been turned toward using science 209 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:41.399 as their weapon instead of the Bible. 210 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:44.399 Right, you have people stand in the pulpit and tell 211 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:47.159 you that everything should be based on the Holy Word, 212 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:50.360 and then you get into this particular conversation and they 213 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:53.720 like exactly what you said. They want you to explain 214 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:58.120 it scientific terms. And I've found, because I get emails 215 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:00.799 all the time, if you can't answer one particular question, 216 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.440 then it should automatically default back to the globe. 217 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.960 Yeah, exactly, it just does if you are not the 218 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:10.679 arbiter of truth who knows every single aspect of it. 219 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:13.840 No matter how you can answer fifty questions correctly and 220 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.000 provide them information, and they'll be like, but what about suctions? 221 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.559 What about the stars? And if you can't prove it 222 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:22.159 to them in the moment, well, then the whole thing 223 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:23.879 is just a lie. And I will give it to 224 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:27.080 Dave Weiss and a couple other flat earthers. I've heard, 225 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.519 I've always, I always. The example is like, tell me 226 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:32.279 the shape of your floor, or by looking at your lights, 227 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:34.960 or excuse me, he says, look at your lights and 228 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:36.720 the ceiling and tell me the shape of your floor. 229 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.759 Like that is a perfect That is a perfect analogy 230 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:41.639 of what these people are trying to do, because they 231 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.240 can't win the argument by looking at the earth itself, 232 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:48.919 so they have to look up to the sky. And 233 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:52.759 I mean, in truth, they still don't actually have a 234 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:55.120 winning argument there because they're still basing all of their 235 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:56.840 information on what they're seeing in the sky, on what 236 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.440 NASA presents to them, not on what can actually be 237 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.799 seeing through a telescope when they when you look at 238 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:05.799 the stars and you see they're not planets out there, 239 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:10.639 They're lights that have ripples and water effects and different 240 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:15.840 varying changes within their structure, though they maintain their structure, 241 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:16.440 you know what I mean? 242 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:17.240 Absolutely? 243 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.639 Yeah, And Saturn is an interesting one as well. You know, 244 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.320 if you look at it from how NASA shows you 245 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.120 to actually what it looks like through a powerful telescope, 246 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:35.039 and there is a what's the proper terminology here? Saturn 247 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:40.360 is worshiped among occultists, and that in itself is a 248 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:46.080 whole nother you know, conversation speaking of you know, evidence, 249 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.000 and we can't explain, you know, something that has occurred 250 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:50.879 since we last spoke, and I guess we can address 251 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:53.919 it and get your thoughts. You know, if we take 252 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:57.159 the final experiment, we just assume that, okay, there is 253 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.080 a twenty four hour sun down there, and then people 254 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:03.759 automatically just everything that they've researched and came to know 255 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:07.279 over the last several years. Many people just said, well, 256 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.240 I guess we're on a ball and they just walked 257 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.600 away from it. And to me, I just laughed. You know, 258 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:15.799 I didn't even get involved in the Oh those guys 259 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:17.639 are shills, this, that and the other thing. I wasn't 260 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:19.840 going to be a part of that. 261 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:24.600 That's just let's say, okay, we'll take it as they said. 262 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:26.720 They actually went to Antarctica and they witnessed a twenty 263 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:29.080 four hour son. Going back to what you said, I 264 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:31.679 think it's extremely cocky, and I'm sure there's other terms 265 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:35.399 we could use that we as humans mere mortals, can 266 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:37.240 can understand God's creation. 267 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:41.600 Sorry I say that again, cut out there a second. 268 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:42.240 Yeah, no problem. 269 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:44.120 I was just saying, how cocky it is of us 270 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.519 that we understand God's creation, you know, to be able 271 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:50.799 to decipher how everything was made, how it works. 272 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:55.519 Well, I meanis Genesis one is given to us for 273 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:59.919 that understanding? Because Genesis one has always refuted any other 274 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:07.559 cosmological legend myth story from ancient time, even back to 275 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.799 the Babylonians and there and their gods, and to the 276 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.039 Egyptians and their gods, because the gods of these other 277 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:17.759 cultures have always been creatures of the creation and matter 278 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.720 was eternal, which in a sense if you truly break 279 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.360 it down, that which is eternal is God. So therefore 280 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:27.519 matter is God in their worldviews. But they have these 281 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:31.000 sub gods who were able to be formed out of 282 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:35.200 the eternal and make and start to provide order to 283 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:38.559 the chaos. It's the order out of chaos that they 284 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:43.840 always go to. But you have God providing to Moses 285 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:48.080 the antithesis of this and saying, no, I made this, 286 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:49.879 this is how I've done it. And yet at the 287 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:55.600 same time it's also to be understood spiritually because this 288 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:58.320 world is not the final creation. This is where we 289 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:03.440 run into so many problems, is because mankind is Hebrews 290 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:07.240 chapter two teaches us has been enslaved to the devil 291 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:12.119 through the fear of death their entire lives. We look 292 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.240 at what we see as death, which is the death 293 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:19.599 of the physical, the material, as the end of all things, 294 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:22.200 and what is beyond it is unknown. And yet if 295 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.440 you look at the scriptures, and you read the scriptures 296 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:28.160 through the spirit, as he teaches us, Christ who is 297 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:31.480 the resurrection, and the life comes and he provides the 298 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.440 hope that death is not the end, and the death 299 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:39.279 that we actually see is not true death, it is sleep. 300 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:44.119 He teaches this to the disciples in John chapter eleven, 301 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:47.519 when he's going to Lazarus, or going to see Lazarus, 302 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:50.799 he withholds for four days and he says to them, 303 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:54.000 first and foremost Lazarus is sleeping. And they said, They 304 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:55.680 say to them, well, if he's sleeping, then great, we 305 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.839 don't have to worry about it. He'll recover. And then 306 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:01.000 he speaks to them plainly, which is another way of 307 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:03.759 saying to them, he speaks to them carnally, No, Lazarus 308 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.400 is dead. And this is the same thing you get 309 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:08.480 in the early parts of the Psalm where the psalmist 310 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.240 David states that let me sleep the sleep of death, 311 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:16.000 because spiritually speaking, the death that we see in this life, 312 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:20.200 which is the end of this physical world, is rest. 313 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:27.480 It's sleep. Revelation or excuse me, Jude talks about and 314 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:32.720 I think it's Jude eleven amount clear exactly on that 315 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:35.960 where he says that there are those who are twice dead, 316 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.359 and you hear about in Revelation in chapter twenty those 317 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.880 who will be harmed by the second death, and Scripture 318 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:49.039 even talks about how death will the Lord will kill death, 319 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:53.279 Death will be swallowed up and will die because there 320 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:58.440 is a true eternal death that the Lord commands, not 321 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:03.480 that the devil has the power that will eventually come 322 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:08.119 over all things. But we have been so enamored with 323 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:10.599 this world and we fall into these pits and these 324 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:14.559 traps of loving all of these carnal things, that we 325 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:16.680 do not set our minds and our treasures on that 326 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:20.480 which is eternal, which is unseen, and therefore we get 327 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:24.200 lost in this slavery for our entire lives, and we 328 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:25.440 can't see out of it. 329 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:29.640 That's such a great point. 330 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.720 And you know, we talk about this often about being 331 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.759 spun up in the matrix and how they have created 332 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:42.039 it so that like everything else we discuss, whether it 333 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:47.759 be heliocentrism, evolution, big Bang theory, making you work sixty 334 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.160 hours a week, keeping you away from your family, and 335 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:53.480 keeping you away from your Bible time, all of that 336 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:56.440 is intentionally done, this matrix they've created, and it's up 337 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.160 to us, like you said, to not lose focus of 338 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:05.359 the true goal of being a Christian, which is eternal 339 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:08.799 life and sharing the Gospel of Jesus absolutely. 340 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:13.359 And I mean to turn back, not to take away 341 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.240 from speaking of the gospel, but also to speak on 342 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.559 because This is a flat Earth podcast cosmology podcast. But 343 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:22.960 one of the things I always say to people is 344 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:27.640 no lie will ever lead anyone to the truth. You 345 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.559 have individuals who come to the knowledge of the truth 346 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:36.240 the flat Earth, and they have to posit God, they 347 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:40.039 have to recognize him. That in itself is a proof 348 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:42.000 of the fact that the Earth is not a globe, 349 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.839 because no lie leads you to God. Every lie is 350 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:47.240 built and designed by the wicked one to lead you 351 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:50.640 away from God. So if the very thing that you 352 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:52.920 are coming to understand, and you are coming to a 353 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:57.359 knowledge of truth leads you to the understanding, hey, God exists, 354 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:02.440 that's a proof. It's one that we don't really recognize 355 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:06.039 and we don't really hold to because it's a little 356 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:09.920 abstract if we don't think about it, because then we're like, Okay, 357 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:12.640 well now I know God exists, so I need to 358 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:14.240 go find out more proof of him. Well, you already 359 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:16.319 you know he exists because you have proof of him. 360 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:22.880 You are in a created system. That is sall nineteen 361 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:26.240 Berner von Brown understood it sall nineteen to a t 362 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:28.640 in the cardinal sense. In the spiritual sense, it's more 363 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:35.440 in regards to the Scripture but we have shackled ourselves 364 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:39.839 so much in our minds. It's a mental prison. And 365 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:42.319 when I say mental, what I mean is spiritual. It 366 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:46.119 is a spiritual prison. We have shackled our spirit willingly 367 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:49.839 because all of us only ever make one free will 368 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.680 choice in our life. It's from Deuteronomy chapter thirty one, 369 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:55.480 where the Lord says to Israel, I call heaven and 370 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:58.440 earth to witness against you today. I give you a choice. 371 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:03.640 Choose life and good or death and evil. That is 372 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.880 the decision every single person in this world makes every 373 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.599 single day. And that's not again, just what is life 374 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:13.519 and good? Well, we have to define that first and 375 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.799 foremost by who or what does God say is life? 376 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:19.079 And who or what does God say is good? Well, Jesus, 377 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:21.279 who is our teacher, as we spoke about in the 378 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:24.039 last podcast, who is God who teaches us? Says there 379 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:29.559 is no one good but God. Additionally, in John chapter eleven, 380 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:32.519 the same chapter where He's where he goes to resurrect Lazarus, 381 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:36.079 he says, I am the resurrection and the Life. So 382 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:43.519 when scripture says choose life and good or death and evil, 383 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:47.400 you are being told to choose God, who is Christ 384 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:50.839 or anything? Else, God, who is Christ, who also declares 385 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.359 himself not only to be the life, but the truth, 386 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:57.200 the very truth that Roman's one point eighteen says, men 387 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:00.359 suppress in their own righteousness. They try to kill him 388 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:02.920 in their own righteousness because they don't want him. We 389 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:07.119 are building our own prison. He opened the door of ourselves, 390 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:09.720 and we pull the door closed again and say, no, 391 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.319 I want to live in darkness. I want to live 392 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:19.000 in ignorance. So we are literally warning spiritually when we 393 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.799 have these discussions in these spaces, These are spiritual warfare. 394 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:27.119 Scripture constantly paints this spiritual imagery of how words are 395 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:29.839 like weapons, how the teeth of it talks about how 396 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:33.599 false teachers their teeth are like the fangs, or excuse me, 397 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:36.359 their teeth are like swords, their tongue are like spears, 398 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:39.440 their words are like arrows that strike the soul and 399 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:42.759 kill men. And he talks about there are men out 400 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:45.880 there who breathe fire like dragons. I don't know about you, 401 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.440