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Speaker 1: Baseball Live. Today is Saturday, February one. Tim did not
Speaker 1: want to do this podcast on groundhog Day. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, Tim, but we've moved it to Saturday for today.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't need another six to eight
Speaker 2: weeks of winter rich now, So I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let that little room do his thing without interfering with
Speaker 2: the with our weather up here in our podcast. Did
Speaker 2: you see that?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, sure, yeah. Did you see the movie groundhog.
Speaker 2: Day over and over?
Speaker 1: And yes, a great movie. It's a great movie. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think a groundhog Day more about the
Speaker 1: movie than I do about Punk Satawny Phil, which is
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the the little what is it a groundhog?
Speaker 1: I guess it's a groundhog that comes out and they
Speaker 1: you know, it's they look at the weather forecast, so
Speaker 1: it's gonna be six more weeks of winter.
Speaker 2: So well I buy a laugh because where I live,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. He can predict that it's gonna happen. Anyways. Okay,
Speaker 2: we got to change it for us northern to like
Speaker 2: maybe twelve weeks a winter or something like that. Give
Speaker 2: the guy a chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back up here in New Jersey. Tim So
Speaker 1: drove up yesterday or the last two days, and my
Speaker 1: wife and I had a It was a good trip.
Speaker 1: First day was really good. Second day it rained a
Speaker 1: good part of the of the trip, so that kind
Speaker 1: of stunk. And there was another plane crash. We had
Speaker 1: two plane crashes this week, which is really spooky. And
Speaker 1: we went through Philadelphia about three hours before that. That's
Speaker 1: second plane crash happened last night. It's kind of weird,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of ominous. I mean, went very
Speaker 1: close by it. Yeah, so it's really weird stuff happening.
Speaker 2: Yes, very much. So. I believe that was a METAVAC
Speaker 2: flight if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: Yeah, taking up taking us a young girl who was
Speaker 1: having treatment on her final treatment done. They never said what,
Speaker 1: but the final treatment done in Philadelphia, which apparently Philadelphia
Speaker 1: is a very big city for providing global care that.
Speaker 1: You know, these metavac planes kind of come in and
Speaker 1: I actually know a guy who runs a company that
Speaker 1: does that kind of stuff and it's pretty remarkable work.
Speaker 2: Yeah that Yeah, I wasn't aware of it, but I
Speaker 2: am certainly aware of Medovac as I've been privy to
Speaker 2: it up close to personal. I have nothing but good
Speaker 2: things to say about the Metavac services where I live.
Speaker 2: Ye saved my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: a profit Metavac the one my friend runs, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of them that go around the country here
Speaker 1: that there are private citizens who have airplanes and it's
Speaker 1: a nonprofit and you know, they do this stuff gratus,
Speaker 1: you know, they they you know, they basically they'll get
Speaker 1: a schedule to go pick up so and so from
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere in the country and poured them to
Speaker 1: another place to get you know, whatever. It's usually not
Speaker 1: emergency medical care, but it's it's uh, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: cancer treatment or something like that, or some kind of
Speaker 1: surgery that only Children's Hospital and Minnesota can do it, right,
Speaker 1: So they'll they'll take the person there. And it's actually
Speaker 1: a wonderful it's a wonderful nonprofit that does that, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that exists here. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those kind of strange, little unknown
Speaker 1: things that happened in day to day lives that people
Speaker 1: don't even know what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, philanthropy by a Yeah, yeah, No, I I wasn't
Speaker 2: aware of that. It all up here. Uh, it's just
Speaker 2: part of the socialized medical procedure. And I can very
Speaker 2: happily say I got a bill for absolutely nothing for
Speaker 2: that plane trip and appreciate it in a big way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So, so I had a we had a
Speaker 1: Tim McCloud conversation. You made our nine hour drive back?
Speaker 2: What what did? What did I do?
Speaker 1: It was? It was it was funny. So so we're so,
Speaker 1: I guess the navigational system saw something, you know, down
Speaker 1: the turnpike and didn't want us to go down the
Speaker 1: Jersey Turnpike, so they sent us through the back roads
Speaker 1: of New Jersey. So we're in these little small farming
Speaker 1: towns kind of riding through the country, and we happened
Speaker 1: upon a fairly large cemetery that you're you know, you're
Speaker 1: looking at it, going, have we seen that many houses
Speaker 1: to like fill up a cemetery because it was pretty sparse.
Speaker 1: I said, wow, it's like, so I saw it. I said, wait,
Speaker 1: I said, that's a pretty large cemetery for such a
Speaker 1: small areas. And Lorie goes everybody's dying to get there.
Speaker 1: And I said, oh my gosh, you've become Tim McLeod.
Speaker 1: We all laughed and said, was that a really bad
Speaker 1: dad joke? I go, I think it was exactly I was.
Speaker 1: I thought you would like that. It's definitely something Tim
Speaker 1: would say. It's just I mean it. And it was
Speaker 1: so natural too, and it's like, wow, I'm doing the
Speaker 1: podcast now with my wife and she's playing Tim. This
Speaker 1: is crazy. It was great. It was it was very
Speaker 1: very good. So timmy. We had a few signings this week.
Speaker 1: It's sexually slowed down. No Pete Alonza yet, no Jack Flaherty.
Speaker 1: Get a little concerned about Jack flerty to draft them
Speaker 1: on my NBC team. He better signed in the next
Speaker 1: two weeks or I'm in deep trouble there. And then
Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo apparently is pissed that Scott Boris for not
Speaker 1: getting him a deal, so at least that's what's being
Speaker 1: reported everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Alex Bergman still hasn't found a home.
Speaker 1: That's true. I mean, I mean, Boris had so many
Speaker 1: of the big, big free agents like he normally does,
Speaker 1: and obviously Juan Soto signed a big fan fear but
Speaker 1: a lot of the other guys have not yet.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and the lock sticking. Yeah, and after what
Speaker 2: we've seen in the past couple of years, I'm sitting
Speaker 2: in the same chair as you are when it comes
Speaker 2: to if they haven't signed, what am I doing? I
Speaker 2: know what I'm doing. I'm just staying away.
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, I think I should have done
Speaker 1: that with Jack Flaherty, But it was one of those
Speaker 1: situations where he was in the queue and he was
Speaker 1: he'd been sitting there for a while and whatever he was,
Speaker 1: he was, his ADP was he had fallen a lot,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was right value. And but maybe
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have taken I'm just given the risk that's
Speaker 1: associated with him.
Speaker 2: Well, let's hope he signs in the next couple of
Speaker 2: weeks and all will be forgotten, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be forgotten. Speaking of a Scott Barris client,
Speaker 1: he did get Hassan Kim for people forget that. Scott
Speaker 1: Boris does represent him. Two year deal with the Rays
Speaker 1: and opt out after the first year. Scott bars has
Speaker 1: suggested that he's going to return after having laboram surgery
Speaker 1: in September. He's going to return. Tim of course in April.
Speaker 1: A j Preller was was reported saying it's probably more
Speaker 1: like May June, maybe even later than that. So who
Speaker 1: do you believe, Tim? When is Hassan Ken going to
Speaker 1: play his first game?
Speaker 2: Uh? Who has the vested interest there? He's not coming
Speaker 2: back any I'd be shocked if he's back in April,
Speaker 2: coming off that surgery. I think you could be looking
Speaker 2: at May June, maybe maybe closer to the All Star break.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is a bit of a It
Speaker 1: is a bit of a bummer because I do like
Speaker 1: Carson Williams. I thought he would be a nice like
Speaker 1: Lake grabbing a often holdly, but I don't think so. Now.
Speaker 1: I think they're probably gonna limp my until Kim is
Speaker 1: ready by mid season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll go with those Walls. I guess it is
Speaker 2: mat short. Brandon Lowe's got second base, it looks like
Speaker 2: so as soon as he's ready to go, Walls gets
Speaker 2: pushed back into a bench roll and Kim gets a
Speaker 2: job and Carson Williams will have another full year to
Speaker 2: better himself down on the farm. Man. I believe there's
Speaker 2: an opt out on this deal as well, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know if Kim will be around for the
Speaker 2: second second year of this deal. I guess a lot
Speaker 2: will depend on how he looks on the field when
Speaker 2: he gets back on it. Right, So let me ask.
Speaker 1: You a question. So just this just occurred to I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of examples of mob bosses out there, Timmy,
Speaker 1: in the world today, and we won't talk about them.
Speaker 1: But are the Tampa Bay Rays a mob boss? Are
Speaker 1: they not allowing these young kids to come up like
Speaker 1: a Carson Williams until they sign a team friendly contract?
Speaker 1: What say you?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it goes back a long way. Remember when
Speaker 2: Evan Longoria needed more seasoning and then he signed his
Speaker 2: extension and he was playing on the on the big
Speaker 2: league roster the next day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: I have a tot of guys in the minor leagues,
Speaker 1: tim that are getting close and without a they just
Speaker 1: don't have a path to get there, and they keep
Speaker 1: doing Hassan Kim kind of signings.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, you know, two year deal, Yeah, yeah, ye
Speaker 2: had I'm just going to say, I've got to raise
Speaker 2: up because I knew we were going to be talking
Speaker 2: about them. But you know, when when you look at
Speaker 2: players like you know, Brandon Lawe, Okay, he signed an extension.
Speaker 1: He was up.
Speaker 2: The only I don't believe Josh loaded or Ell was
Speaker 2: a trade.
Speaker 1: Kimario has not signed an extension, but it took him
Speaker 1: forever to get up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took a while, and I think at some
Speaker 2: point in time, media and public pressure comes into play.
Speaker 2: How you keep a guy down like that forever? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you really, you really can't. It's it's it's it's a
Speaker 2: game of stubbornness. Does that sort of make sense? You know,
Speaker 2: we're not going to bring these guys up until it's
Speaker 2: advantageous for us to do it. And lost in the
Speaker 2: whole process is the concept of winning baseball games.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it becomes more about just purely the business and
Speaker 2: maintaining control over these younger players for as long as
Speaker 2: they can, which again it's tough to do. But where
Speaker 2: the player like camin Arrow is doing, I think is
Speaker 2: the right move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would not sign it. I would not sign
Speaker 1: an extension with the rays of I'm as good as Caminario.
Speaker 1: I would just yeah, I would try to get out
Speaker 1: into free agent as soon as it can, because I
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna leave in four years right, They're not
Speaker 1: going to keep me if I'm any good. They're not
Speaker 1: going to pay thirty million dollars a year for anybody.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's that's simply not gonna happen. And you
Speaker 2: see the same thing with their pitching as as they approach,
Speaker 2: as they approach, and the closer they get to free agency, well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shame that Clanahan will be moved on, and shame
Speaker 1: bos and you know you fill in the blank. All
Speaker 1: those guys, all those guys, you know, they'll just move on.
Speaker 1: They got about another year or two each one of them.
Speaker 1: But Clanahan used up his by his time by being hurt.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's still County. Is the clock still moving on?
Speaker 2: Well exactly. And you know, as long as you can
Speaker 2: backfill through your minor league system as a as a
Speaker 2: strategic floyd, it sort of works. But at the same
Speaker 2: point time sort of works means you will have a
Speaker 2: good team, but never a team that contends for a
Speaker 2: World Series. Yeah, yeah you can. Hey, I think the
Speaker 2: race with their system will always have good teams, but
Speaker 2: great teams know, because they won't bring in the missing
Speaker 2: pieces the top.
Speaker 1: So Hassan Kim is going as a twenty seventh to
Speaker 1: seven shortstop off the board, which, so the NFC is saying,
Speaker 1: at least people that are doing through early drafts is nah,
Speaker 1: he's not coming back until second half at best. Are
Speaker 1: you buying into that? Are you going to take him
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm probably going to be looking at hoping he
Speaker 2: falls a long ways and then I'll pick him up
Speaker 2: and stash him. But in the NFC, there is nothing
Speaker 2: to stash because they don't have an IL. So I
Speaker 2: can see where in the NFBC his value should be
Speaker 2: driven lower simply because you might have to sit on
Speaker 2: him for three months on your bench. That's a tough
Speaker 2: one when you've got no IL. If you've got an IL,
Speaker 2: it's a different story. Then you can roll the dice fair,
Speaker 2: but it's fair.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with no IL, I wouldn't be looking in an
Speaker 2: NFBC format. I wouldn't be looking at Hasan Kim except
Speaker 2: in a draft and hold situation where you should have
Speaker 2: him for at least half the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Max Shu's are finally signs Timmy over the weekend.
Speaker 1: He is His ADP is four ninety one fifty nine,
Speaker 1: so one hundred and forty ninth pitcher off the board.
Speaker 1: So nobody he's going in the Grant Holmes, Chris Bubick, Reed,
Speaker 1: Debt Meer's, Calvin Falter, He's going way down. This is
Speaker 1: a this is a Hall of Fame guy, Tim for
Speaker 1: fifteen and a half million dollars. So if you've got
Speaker 1: his pedigree, he's still going to get paid, which he
Speaker 1: did by the chase. Do you like the signing? What
Speaker 1: are you expecting of them this season?
Speaker 2: I like the signing. He lost a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of time last year because I believe it was
Speaker 2: a hamstring injury. Okay, And the two drafts I've done
Speaker 2: this year, I've got yours in both. Oh wow, I
Speaker 2: drafted I drafted him late. He was still sitting there
Speaker 2: and I said, no, somebody's gonna somebody's gonna sign him.
Speaker 2: I think if you can get I think it's possible
Speaker 2: you could be looking at one hundred and forty to
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty innings of mid mid to high
Speaker 2: three e er. So I'm happy with the signing. Uh,
Speaker 2: he's not justin verlinder Old, but he's getting up there.
Speaker 2: But I still think there's one hundred and forty one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty innings sitting there.
Speaker 1: He's pretty close to Justin verland er old. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe a year younger, two years, yeah, year or two Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean it's I think we're splitting hairs. I look,
Speaker 1: I he could actually last time he was full deep,
Speaker 1: played full time, it was pretty good. But he is
Speaker 1: a year or two older since then. And you know,
Speaker 1: would it surprise you in May if he has another
Speaker 1: injury and you don't see him again until August.
Speaker 2: No, that wouldn't shock me. But it wouldn't shock me
Speaker 2: if he was posting a mid mid to high three
Speaker 2: eer with better than the strikeo ger inning, which I
Speaker 2: think from the Jay's perspective is what they're looking at,
Speaker 2: so they can move him at the deadline and try
Speaker 2: and get something back for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good point. I think that's what
Speaker 2: the bed is there. But yeah, you know, as a number,
Speaker 2: as a number seven starter, yeah, I'm not disinterested.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Reds signed Austin Hayes to play left field.
Speaker 1: It was a small sign. Will Benson was fourteen home
Speaker 1: runs a sixteen stolen bases last season. Looks like he's
Speaker 1: probably going to start this season in the minors. He's
Speaker 1: not a great player, but I think it was one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty two games, you know, fourteen to sixteen
Speaker 1: the full season might have been a twenty two one
Speaker 1: guy recy Hines, you know, obviously had that magical three
Speaker 1: or four weeks nowhere to be seen. What do you
Speaker 1: think about this signing? You have any interesting interest in
Speaker 1: Austin Hayser, You feel like he's done.
Speaker 2: A very very low interest, you know, maybe for a
Speaker 2: reserve spot in a re draft league, something along those lines.
Speaker 2: What it did do, though, is, you know, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, Cees is not in the everyday lineup. No,
Speaker 2: noelvi Marte isn't in the everyday lineup. They got Gavin
Speaker 2: Lux at DH like Cincinnati is putting the disc in
Speaker 2: dysfunctional with how they're attempting to do things here, and
Speaker 2: I personally I don't like it. I really don't. I
Speaker 2: think they've got some young talent. Why are they Why
Speaker 2: are they making moves for a for a Gavin Lux
Speaker 2: when they've got Matt McLean in l A de la
Speaker 2: Cruz at the middle infield slots? You know, well, why
Speaker 2: are they not looking at trying to get Cees and
Speaker 2: Marte into that lineup every day, and every time they
Speaker 2: bring somebody somebody in like this, it just it just
Speaker 2: sort of adds to the mess that they're already.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say, makes you remind you of
Speaker 1: the Colorado Rockies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, they got these kids playing. Yeah, let's
Speaker 2: do what Strand can do. Let's let's see what Marte
Speaker 2: can do.
Speaker 1: But I kind of got the Gavin Lux signing because
Speaker 1: they didn't give up much at all, which, of course
Speaker 1: the Dodgers will turn that guy into the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame pitcher. But uh, I mean, I mean, Gavin Lux
Speaker 1: has got a pretty good pedigree. He's probably a platoon guy,
Speaker 1: long term police. He's young with some upside. I Alstin Hayes,
Speaker 1: I don't get. I mean, why not throw Gavin Lux
Speaker 1: in the outfield and then put to Cees at d
Speaker 1: H And aren't you got to be a better team
Speaker 1: as opposed to Austin? Why you have Austin Hayes out there?
Speaker 1: I don't get that.
Speaker 2: Well, they're outfield right now, is Hayes? Jake Freeley remember him?
Speaker 2: And TJ. Friedel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't instill fear in the hearts of man.
Speaker 2: I don't think yep, and Candelaria is sitting at third base, well,
Speaker 2: and get Lux to third base platoon.
Speaker 1: Candelario, I don't know if Lux can play third base.
Speaker 1: I would put Lux in left field and just say
Speaker 1: you're you're our strong side platoon guy in left field,
Speaker 1: and you know, we'll put some other body out there,
Speaker 1: you know, who's a left right hand at bat that's
Speaker 1: going to be our weak side platoon. And and then
Speaker 1: put Noville Marte at third base and move Candelarian. Let's
Speaker 1: give these guys a shot. I mean, they're pretty high
Speaker 1: end young players, and maybe they're just pissed at Noville
Speaker 1: Marte because of the suspension. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: mean Cees looked OK. I don't know if he's gonna
Speaker 1: be great, but at least give him a shot.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, exactly. Yeah. When you start looking, it's just
Speaker 2: a mess and you gotta somehow find a way to
Speaker 2: sort it out. Can can Matt McLean play third base?
Speaker 1: I think so Ellie can? I think Ellie's your shortstop, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's your marquee guy that you went
Speaker 1: in the middle of the diamond Yeah, he could definitely
Speaker 1: play third base, but I think he's gonna play short right,
Speaker 1: Tim's back?
Speaker 2: You back, Tim, Yeah, Yeah, I'm back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Ellie's They're not gonna move him off short
Speaker 1: short I would. I'd be surprised at that if they
Speaker 1: move him off shortstop. But they've got to me it's
Speaker 1: it's Ellie. I think it's Matt McLean for sure, and
Speaker 1: I guess Heimer Candelary because he's signed. And then I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who's I think it could
Speaker 1: be anybody.
Speaker 2: Well, exactly, Like trying to figure out this lineup is
Speaker 2: almost impossible right now.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would. I'd be staying away from anybody but
Speaker 1: Leda cruz uh and Matt McClain. I just wouldn't Renova Martee,
Speaker 1: I like the player. I would not be touching them
Speaker 1: at all in drafts. Forget about it.
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree. There's just too much uncertainty sitting there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. We've got to get in the middle of
Speaker 1: spring training to see what happens, who gets hurt and
Speaker 1: so forth and so on. Timmy gets take a break
Speaker 1: and we get back. Let's talk about third base.
Speaker 2: Sound good?
Speaker 1: Getting so much great feedback on our as we go
Speaker 1: through your rankings. People really really liking it. I encourage
Speaker 1: everybody to join us out at the Patreon site. You
Speaker 1: get a lot more detail on Tim's rankings. You get
Speaker 1: them all, you get a chance to look at them online.
Speaker 1: You get a chance to look at the spreadsheet sheet
Speaker 1: that I've it to go along with Tim, to take
Speaker 1: a look at last year's ranking versus this year's ranking,
Speaker 1: how they relate to where they're going and drafts, and
Speaker 1: it really highlights timmy those guys that you like a
Speaker 1: lot more. I mean, you could listen to the narrative
Speaker 1: on the podcast, but when you can actually look at
Speaker 1: it and see a big yellow mark next to a
Speaker 1: guy that Tim likes more than somebody else or doesn't like,
Speaker 1: I think that it really highlights it.
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, and I'm definitely not shy about certain players,
Speaker 2: and hopefully a lot of them will end up on
Speaker 2: my teams this year. But I think I've got a
Speaker 2: solid rationale for the ones I like and dislike. And
Speaker 2: the more detail that you can have, the better off
Speaker 2: you are. And yeah, I really like the setup that
Speaker 2: you put together for these rankings, right, It's good.
Speaker 1: That's great and it works really well with your narratives
Speaker 1: and the process that you put together. So with that,
Speaker 1: patting ourselves on the back, Timmy's tell me how you're
Speaker 1: handling third base this season?
Speaker 2: How? I am?
Speaker 1: Okay, so we lost him for seconds. It's tim how
Speaker 1: are you handling third base? This season?
Speaker 2: Ah? I think if I've got a pick in the
Speaker 2: top five, I'm not going to pass on Jose Ramires.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, I'm I'm gonna work. I'm
Speaker 2: going to work on the the mid areas. I I like,
Speaker 2: I like Alex bowm oh, I like where he's going
Speaker 2: in drafts. I like Eugenio Suarez getting down a little
Speaker 2: bit further. If I want to gamble the guy, I'm
Speaker 2: probably gonna gamble on his Matt Shaw. Okay, Connor Norby,
Speaker 2: I like it his current physician, and uh, the more
Speaker 2: I looked at him, and the more I dug I'm
Speaker 2: becoming a Jose Chenior fan for a middle Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: but well, wh when I look at the top the
Speaker 2: top end, I think I'm going to be spending more time,
Speaker 2: hopefully focusing on filling out field, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: make that a little bit more of my priority this year.
Speaker 2: As compared to third base, there's some there's some solid
Speaker 2: options when you get down into the middle levels that
Speaker 2: should provide you with some great numbers. And the surprising
Speaker 2: thing is a lot of the players from say fourteen
Speaker 2: fifteen down, a lot of players have third base eligibility
Speaker 2: this year that normally wouldn't providing you an opportunity to
Speaker 2: grab some stolen bases a little bit later on if
Speaker 2: you want to take a different approach to third base.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking at the I'm looking at the mid
Speaker 2: tiers rich and there's nothing. There's nothing wrong with the
Speaker 2: top end. It's just I think with the strategy I'm
Speaker 2: attempting to employ this year, it's not a big priority
Speaker 2: to get a third basement early.
Speaker 1: Interesting. So this you brought up so many nuggets in there,
Speaker 1: and how I would love to talk about Tania and
Speaker 1: Shawl at the moment, but we're going to wait till
Speaker 1: we get to them. But I will just comment both
Speaker 1: of them. There's been talked by both the Nationals and
Speaker 1: the Cubs a lot about hiring somebody else to play
Speaker 1: third base, and we're sitting here on February first, and
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened yet. So I feel like it's just attrition.
Speaker 1: Are we going to make it to the start of
Speaker 1: the season and both of those guys are still going
Speaker 1: to have jobs. But at the moment, anything can happen.
Speaker 1: At the moment they've got a job.
Speaker 2: Yes exactly, and they both have what I believe to
Speaker 2: be very very good potential. But then again, you get
Speaker 2: into a situation. I was sort of looking at Ben
Speaker 2: Williamson maybe as being an option in Seattle. Okay, well
Speaker 2: I came crashing down with the Horgate bolanco sign and
Speaker 2: he's going to play third base. Yeah, okay, so we're
Speaker 2: still not out of the woods yet, but I would
Speaker 2: I can see both those teams give those young players
Speaker 2: an opportunity, and I think they're going to.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the conversations that these front offices must
Speaker 1: be having. You know, hey, we really want to We
Speaker 1: really like Matt Shaw, he's the future there. We think
Speaker 1: that he could be strong. But you know, Alex Bregman,
Speaker 1: I mean, the prices come down and it's Alex Bregman
Speaker 1: and we feel like them. We're the Cubs, we have
Speaker 1: the money. You can't say that's I can understand the
Speaker 1: difficulty in making those calls like you want to give
Speaker 1: the young guy a shot, but yet you know you
Speaker 1: might get a guy at a discount, and like Alex
Speaker 1: Bregman could be very very interesting there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I discount would bring him into the one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty to two hundred million range. That's still a
Speaker 2: lot of money.
Speaker 1: Still a lot of money. But I mean if they
Speaker 1: trade for Nolan Arenado or god forbid, like Anthony were done,
Speaker 1: then I would be like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So but let's go, let's go back the top ten's
Speaker 1: got Jose Ramirez And look, I agree, he was fantastic.
Speaker 1: It was on my targets this year. He was one
Speaker 1: of my targets last season, not one of my targets
Speaker 1: this season for not good for and the only reason
Speaker 1: is he's old. I mean it's like he's still good.
Speaker 1: The production looks great, the data looks good on him.
Speaker 1: But at some point, tim he's not going to be good.
Speaker 1: And I don't know when that's going to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think any of us know when it's
Speaker 2: going to be. But I feel fairly.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to know. You're the analyst.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's why you get paid the Big Bucks Maid
Speaker 2: the Big Bucks. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 2: this year is going to be the year. I have
Speaker 2: no concerns with Jose.
Speaker 1: Aram Maris at all.
Speaker 2: He's got six twenty twenty seasons. He's coming off well.
Speaker 2: It thirty nine home run, forty one stolen bases last
Speaker 2: year amazing. He's a top five pick, and I think
Speaker 2: he's I think he's earned it. I have no concerns
Speaker 2: heading into twenty twenty five. I think this time next
Speaker 2: year we'll be talking about seven consecutive twenty twenty seasons.
Speaker 1: I looked at Jose Ramirez last year at sixteen point
Speaker 1: four to three. That was his ADPM, Like, if I'm in,
Speaker 1: if I'm drafting eleventh twelfth, I'm grabbing him. I feel
Speaker 1: exactly the same way about Francisco Lindor. It's almost, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's almost the exact same scenario. Lindor's ADP is about sixteen.
Speaker 1: I just think he's the right guy in eleven twelve,
Speaker 1: just to jump a few slots ahead of time and
Speaker 1: bring him in because there's really good. It's a similar
Speaker 1: kind of player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're looking at You're looking at a guy who's
Speaker 2: basically a pencil in thirty thirty barring injury in the
Speaker 2: way you go. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: With you, And you could also argue that the Guardians
Speaker 1: going back to Jose Ramirez is Yeah, let's say Kyle
Speaker 1: Manzardo finally gets a chance to play. He could be
Speaker 1: pretty good. The launtra could finally could finally see some
Speaker 1: time if he stays healthy. The louder could finally see
Speaker 1: some time in the outfield. That could be a much
Speaker 1: better offense, which is only going to help Jose Ramirez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been playing a long time much Yeah, by himself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was just I was trying to think of a
Speaker 2: nice way to say, with as much support as some
Speaker 2: other elite level players.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for as good as Stephen Kuan is, and I
Speaker 1: think we both like Kwan for who he is. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna do damage, He's gonna get on base. But
Speaker 1: they've been just relying on Jose Ramirez and I guess
Speaker 1: a little bit of Josh Nayler, which they don't have anymore.
Speaker 1: Tim that's right to knock these guys in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it h definitely I like Ramirez. I probably
Speaker 2: I probably won't have him rostered in many leagues this year,
Speaker 2: simply because you got to be in the right spot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and based on the early returns I've done too draft
Speaker 2: and thirteen fourteen, it looks like it looks like it
Speaker 2: could be one of those back of the back of
Speaker 2: the first round years early on for me. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you went chalk with with Obviously the NFC,
Speaker 1: no one's putting anybody in front of Jose Ramirez, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Then you've got you've got Austin Riley, Necks,
Speaker 1: Jazz Chisholm at three, Raphael Devers at four, and then
Speaker 1: Manny Machata. So a little boring here in the top five.
Speaker 1: You're going exactly the same as the NFC, except for
Speaker 1: Riley and Chishlm. Flipped. Does do we see that bounce
Speaker 1: back season from Austin Riley?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a fractured risk or right hand. They
Speaker 2: cost him time. I don't see that. I don't see
Speaker 2: that changing who who he is this year. Based on
Speaker 2: those three consecutive mid thirty home run years, you know
Speaker 2: he'll it cost some time he had just like everybody
Speaker 2: Elson and landing him time dude injury last year. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's career threatening at all. So I'm anticipating
Speaker 2: Riley moving back to the Austin Riley when you were
Speaker 2: in Loved. And the reason I went with him over
Speaker 2: Chisholm is because I think I value the power from
Speaker 2: Riley a bit more than the speed from Chisholm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's awful, good line up the Chisholm's inn.
Speaker 2: It definitely is. And the other thing with Chisholm, he's
Speaker 2: penciled in at second base. It gives him second third
Speaker 2: ouefield of eligibility. That counts. I still couldn't move him
Speaker 2: ahead of Riley, though not at this point in time.
Speaker 1: If you like a lot, if you've got you know,
Speaker 1: you're picking six, fifth to six, something like that, and
Speaker 1: you take whomever at fifth six and you're coming back,
Speaker 1: would you jump the line for Austin Riley.
Speaker 2: I'd move them up. I'd move them up five six spots. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you might do that. If you've got an
Speaker 1: early pick in a draft, take him as your second pick.
Speaker 2: I can see people wanting to do that. The only
Speaker 2: question that I would raise is, depending on who you
Speaker 2: took with your first pick, you don't leave Oatfield too
Speaker 2: long and it would make sense to move Riley up
Speaker 2: because of the skills. But at the same point in time,
Speaker 2: if you have to pass up on an outfield an
Speaker 2: outfielder to do it, you may want to think long
Speaker 2: and hard about that. Yeah, it all depends on your
Speaker 2: team build. If you got Soda in the first round, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I would like to have an outfielder with
Speaker 2: one of my first two.
Speaker 1: Picks, Raphael Devers. I don't know if it's Devers or Divers.
Speaker 1: I can't Every time I say his name, I can't
Speaker 1: remember which one it is. Raphael Devers or Machado. Anything
Speaker 1: to say about them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not not really. Hey, yeah, what someone considered
Speaker 2: to be a down year and it was still a
Speaker 2: pretty good year. Yeah. If you can get the RBIs
Speaker 2: back up over the hundred mark, that would definitely help.
Speaker 2: It was a little last year with eighty three, but
Speaker 2: he's a good player, very good player.
Speaker 1: Well, Trevor Story is going to be back. You believe,
Speaker 1: have to believe that Roman Anthony and Kristin Robbins, Christian Campbell,
Speaker 1: not Robinson Christian Campbell are going to be up at
Speaker 1: some point. That team's only going to get better and
Speaker 1: RBI's as you know, are as much about a team
Speaker 1: statistic as opposed an individual statistic. Get a better team
Speaker 1: around them, castles will be better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. We're going to see those kids this year.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fascinating year in Boston. They're gonna
Speaker 2: be an interesting team to watch and see how all
Speaker 2: those kids fit in and develop it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a team. I think it's a team
Speaker 1: on the rise, I really do. I think they are
Speaker 1: set up to be able to move kids at the deadline,
Speaker 1: to bring up bring in pitching. I like the Red
Speaker 1: Sox this season. I like him over the next five
Speaker 1: years too, Yes, as do I. Six to tennis, where
Speaker 1: it gets interesting. Ten loves himself some junior Campinario. Six
Speaker 1: up from eight. Jordan Westberg's chalk at seven, Mark Fiento's
Speaker 1: goes down to Alex Bregman goes at number nine. He
Speaker 1: is going in the NFBC at twelve. I don't know
Speaker 1: if has a little bit to do with the fact
Speaker 1: he hasn't signed yet. And then you got Royce Lewis
Speaker 1: at number ten, so very interesting. Back ten here, let's
Speaker 1: start with Royce Lewis. He could be much higher if
Speaker 1: you could count on him being healthy.
Speaker 2: Right, well, yeah, you just take a look. You know,
Speaker 2: in twenty three at fifteen homers and two urns, seventeen beats,
Speaker 2: twenty four, sixteen and two ninety two, he's a thirty
Speaker 2: home run hit all it's missing his health five hundred
Speaker 2: beats and he could easily be as high as Mahado. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, right after Machada, somewhere in that area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But if you got your spreadsheet going
Speaker 1: for your for your draft, to mean, there's no way
Speaker 1: that you can put in thirty home runs for Royce
Speaker 1: Lewis and say he's going to be five hundred bats,
Speaker 1: thirty hundred, because he's never done it.
Speaker 2: No of the of the top ten h other than
Speaker 2: Bregman Nut's not signing. He is, by far, I think,
Speaker 2: the highest risk of anybody in the top ten in
Speaker 2: the highest out yeah and highest upside. Yes, I agree.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Junior Caminario. You love Junior camen Area.
Speaker 1: This season it looks.
Speaker 2: Like, well, yeah, he hits a bullheard, he hits it
Speaker 2: a lot, he hits it all fields. He's going to
Speaker 2: be a star. I'm convinced of it. Whether it's this
Speaker 2: year or next or the year after that. But I
Speaker 2: can't rule over the thirty one hundred season this year.
Speaker 2: And I don't know. Did you see that home run
Speaker 2: he hit in the was it the Dominican?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's going to be in the leaders of hard hit
Speaker 1: rates and things like that. That guy has tremendous bat
Speaker 1: speed and strength.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And he also has the longest and possibly
Speaker 2: most dynamic home run trot I have ever seen in
Speaker 2: my life. Man, he was excited when he hit that ball. Man,
Speaker 2: I just don't see. I've got him higher because I
Speaker 2: think that's what it's going to take for you to
Speaker 2: land him. I think the hype is going to build
Speaker 2: and continue to build, and come Draft Day in March,
Speaker 2: I hey, I love Jordan Westberg, but Junior Caminero, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's there's a little bit more than just love there.
Speaker 2: I think his hype is going to drive him higher.
Speaker 1: So Laurie and I just bought, uh finally got a
Speaker 1: replacement for her SUV that was ten years old, eleven
Speaker 1: years old, so we ran it into the ground. So
Speaker 1: we bought her a new car before we left uh,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, And you got the exact same carches newer
Speaker 1: with all the new technology in it. So uh and
Speaker 1: they're they're you know, that's funny because the dealership congratulates
Speaker 1: you congratulations from buying a new car.
Speaker 3: I'm like, why, I mean, like, I didn't win anything,
Speaker 3: Like I just I bought something. I paid you money
Speaker 3: for it. I paid you probably more money than I
Speaker 3: should have. Why do you congrat you should congrat your
Speaker 3: congratulate yourself for ripping me off.
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, Graula, yeah exactly. It's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: But anyway, you get those surveys that I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: gotten this emailed surveys somewhat agree either neither disagree, agree,
Speaker 1: some would disagree, really disagree, and so forth. So Junior
Speaker 1: Caminario really agree with this, don't agree, somewhat disagree. You know,
Speaker 1: one of those things. He'll play full time and not
Speaker 1: be demoted to the minor leagues. Fully agree, so he's
Speaker 1: up all season. Yes, okay, yeah, I hope you're right.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think you're right.
Speaker 2: Well, if they if they want, if they want to
Speaker 2: fill the seats at Steinbrener Stadium, they better have them.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right there, Steinbrener forgot about that. That's right. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan Westberg, anything to say about Joe rh Is he
Speaker 1: going to build on that season had last season?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm sticking sticking to my guns. I think he's
Speaker 2: a twenty five of them are eighty five RBI type player,
Speaker 2: and I think we're gonna we could very well see
Speaker 2: it this year. I like Westbrook a walk.
Speaker 1: Do should I read anything into Mark Fianto's being down
Speaker 1: to slots except you just like Junior campin area more.
Speaker 2: That's all you need to read into it. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think the upside, The upside is higher with Junior than
Speaker 2: it is with Brianto's. And that's basically I moved Kemin
Speaker 2: Arrow up to cover that.
Speaker 1: If Bianto's gets first base eligibility and they don't resign
Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo, that only helps his profile, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're looking at You're looking at one year of
Speaker 2: third base elgency for Vianjo's this year. I don't see
Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo heading back to New York at all. I
Speaker 2: think that is that's done like dinner. So Viantos has
Speaker 2: got the first base job and we see what shakes
Speaker 2: down at third.
Speaker 1: True or false? Alex Redman will sign before this time,
Speaker 1: in two weeks before everybody reports.
Speaker 2: False.
Speaker 1: Really wow.
Speaker 2: I think he wants a long term, big buck deal,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if they're at the stage well
Speaker 2: where they'll look at a one or two year deal
Speaker 2: and take it. So I'm i'm I'm I'm thinking he
Speaker 2: might he might be sitting for a while.
Speaker 1: So my dad grew up as a farmer, Tim, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever heard this expression, so a
Speaker 1: group as a farmer. So I know a lot about
Speaker 1: gardening and farming, unfortunately, because that's what my dad knew.
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of stupid phrases that he
Speaker 1: used to utter all the time. And he always said,
Speaker 1: you can't bleed a turn up. So have you ever
Speaker 1: heard that expression? I'm not sure the money is there.
Speaker 2: I'm not either, But it's not whether we believe it,
Speaker 2: it's whether Alex Bregman believes it. I think he's searching
Speaker 2: for something that's not going to happen, and until they
Speaker 2: determine that to be the reality, I think he'll continue
Speaker 2: pursuing what he has to this point in time. So
Speaker 2: if you're.
Speaker 1: Concerned that he's going to sign on time, and you've
Speaker 1: already said, you're really really disconcerted if a guy hasn't
Speaker 1: signed before they report. Why do you like Bredman three
Speaker 1: slots higher than the NFBC.
Speaker 2: I think the NFBC I've taken the opposite approach. The
Speaker 2: NFBC likes him even less than I do. Well, when
Speaker 2: I look at who is behind him, Royce Lewis, can
Speaker 2: you count on Royce Lewis? No? Okay, Alex Baum is
Speaker 2: a nice player, one that I like a lot, But
Speaker 2: you're looking at a fifteen to twenty home run sort
Speaker 2: of guy. Okay, Sworez, there's batting average concerns. I think
Speaker 2: when you look at you know, from Chapman through to
Speaker 2: Bregman in that in that other than Lewis, I still
Speaker 2: like Alex Bregman a bit better than I like Boems
Speaker 2: forres Chapman, and I'd like Lewis Moore if you can
Speaker 2: stay on the field. So I don't underst I who
Speaker 2: have they moved up in the NBC ahead of Bragman.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's see, Well that's a tough one. I haven't
Speaker 1: sorted it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just looking just looking at some of the.
Speaker 1: Soman is going, you've got him going ninth he's going twelve.
Speaker 1: So in front of that may be Royce Lewis. Matt
Speaker 1: Chapman is ahead, Jake Berger is ahead of where Bregman
Speaker 1: is gone. I think you're a little low one, Matt Chapman.
Speaker 1: Matt Chapman's boring. But as you right, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just three of the last four seasons hit twenty seven
Speaker 1: home runs. I mean, yeah, it's pretty cheap powered. The
Speaker 1: guy can play. I know you don't like the park
Speaker 1: he's playing, and it's a pretty good player.
Speaker 2: Still, yeah, he's a pretty good player. The problem, Matt
Speaker 2: Chapman is you got to be prepared for the uh,
Speaker 2: for the inevitable. I didn't do anything in the month
Speaker 2: of May and August syndrome. Chapman streaky, Yeah, big, big,
Speaker 2: big time streaky. And I'm I'm just I'm just not
Speaker 2: as bullish on Chapman and Burger as I am on Bragman.
Speaker 2: I think overall talent favors Bragman. But you could you
Speaker 2: can rank in that area, you can rank them. They
Speaker 2: all come, they all come with various wards.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. Let's take a break, Tim and
Speaker 1: come back. And I agree with you on bre On Burger,
Speaker 1: and Uh, we're gonna get to him in a second.
Speaker 1: Tim has already told you he likes salac Baum. He's
Speaker 1: got coming in at number eleven, Juhinio Suarez at twelve,
Speaker 1: Matt Chapman at thirteen. Uh, fourteen is Jake Berger, my buddy,
Speaker 1: and Tim's pretty good pal Michael Garcia. Number sixteen is
Speaker 1: Lewis Rahiefo. Number seventeen is Max Munsey, Number eighteen is
Speaker 1: Isak Claridas. Number nineteen is Josh and number twenty Nolan Aaron.
Speaker 1: I remember when he was really good, Tim, No, it's.
Speaker 2: One of the advantages of being a little okay, you
Speaker 2: forget things quick.
Speaker 1: Look it's good at Jack, it's good did Jake Berger?
Speaker 1: Look he's one dimensional, Timmy. He hits a lot of
Speaker 1: home runs.
Speaker 2: Right. The RBI totals I've mentioned in my narrative should
Speaker 2: come up this year now that he's got an offensive
Speaker 2: around him. But yeah, he's got one season. It's a
Speaker 2: Bowl along way. That isn't enough for me to move him,
Speaker 2: to move him up to the list. Yeah, I know
Speaker 2: the NFBC folk love it, and hey, good for them,
Speaker 2: but I I am. I am much happier with Alex
Speaker 2: Bohm and Suarez than I am with that one dimensional
Speaker 2: power I see from Burger.
Speaker 1: Make your case for Alex Bohm being as high as he.
Speaker 2: Is ninety seven RBI's the past two years of two
Speaker 2: eighty two seventy four and another to eighty batting average
Speaker 2: over the past three years. He's not going to give
Speaker 2: you the big raw power, but he's in a good lineup.
Speaker 2: And I see another ninety to one hundred arbis with
Speaker 2: a good batting average there. I'll take the fifteen home
Speaker 2: runs to get those other two qualities.
Speaker 1: Rich Wilson's calling in from We have a caller, Tim
Speaker 1: rich Wilson from New Jersey. Oh okay, Hi, Tim, I
Speaker 1: listened to you all the time. You're much smarter than
Speaker 1: that other guy that you're with. So over under ten
Speaker 1: home runs from Mike cal Garcia this season over, Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you, I love you. Mister mccleough, go Canada Mail.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I think ten to twelve somewhere in that range.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, if that comes with twenty five stolen bases,
Speaker 1: I'll take that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It could come with thirty five yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And and that's where it's starting and second base eligibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we got Garcia with second base eligibility.
Speaker 2: We've got Rinifo with second base eligible. They can both run,
Speaker 2: they can steal you some bases. And you get further
Speaker 2: down the list and you get Willie Castro and Jose
Speaker 2: Cavallero and Tapa. There's some stolen bases at third base.
Speaker 2: And when you're looking at your team build, depending on
Speaker 2: how you've got things constructed, you could go in a
Speaker 2: number of different ways. At third base. You could say, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna move I'm gonna move Willy Castro
Speaker 2: up around just so I can have those late stolen
Speaker 2: bases at third base. And depending on how you've built
Speaker 2: your team, that could work perfectly fine. You've got some
Speaker 2: options at third base this year. When it comes into
Speaker 2: looking at the whole of your team construction, I find
Speaker 2: that fascinating.
Speaker 1: The thing that continues to bother me about mckel garcia.
Speaker 1: I think the data points the more power that dude
Speaker 1: has got to stop like swinging at everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: the walk rate is just awful. And what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: to him? Two things, One is he's gonna be pushed
Speaker 1: down the lineup, which I think has already certain to
Speaker 1: happen or too. He'll be dfa'd when he starts to
Speaker 1: get expensive, and then then from a long term Dynasty
Speaker 1: League kind of perspective, he becomes a dice he owned.
Speaker 1: So it's all about him his chase rate and getting
Speaker 1: just starting to walk a little bit more, be a
Speaker 1: little bit more selective at the plate.
Speaker 2: Totally agree. He's playing in Kansas City, right, Yeah? Are they?
Speaker 2: Are they gonna a Bobby Wit type contract with with
Speaker 2: with the with the background that we can see when
Speaker 2: we go to stats. No, it's not gonna happen, is it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's getting a Bobby Wit type contract,
Speaker 1: but he might get a long term deal if he
Speaker 1: shows a little bit more play patients.
Speaker 2: So and he's young, so twenty four, yeah, that can change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But the question is he coachable? Is you
Speaker 1: know all that kind of stuff, which is a little
Speaker 1: bit disconcerned because you don't want to make the guy passive.
Speaker 1: So there, you know, as you go through this instructional process,
Speaker 1: and I hear this a lot because I talk to
Speaker 1: a lot of guys and organizations, and it is probably
Speaker 1: the most challenging aspect of the player development process is
Speaker 1: getting an aggressive guy to become a little bit more
Speaker 1: selective and getting a passive guy to become more aggressive,
Speaker 1: because it's so easy to tack too far the other
Speaker 1: way and totally mess up the players approach and guys
Speaker 1: organizations struggle with this all the time.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because once you undo something, to get it
Speaker 2: back to the do stage is not an easy process
Speaker 2: and it's very time consuming. It is, so yeah, if
Speaker 2: if you err at this part of the program, the
Speaker 2: costs could be enormous. That's really good.
Speaker 1: Essek Paratus is definitely down from where was last season
Speaker 1: as one eighty four. I thought people ever drafted him,
Speaker 1: and he's back down to where he probably needs to be. Timmy,
Speaker 1: he's a good player, not a great player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I do like the fact that
Speaker 2: he's he's going to be playing in the two hole
Speaker 2: this year. I think the run score number could be
Speaker 2: up a little bit, but I think he's a twenty
Speaker 2: home run bad.
Speaker 1: Josh Young was a You were a big proponent of
Speaker 1: Josh Young last season, and are you sourying a little bit,
Speaker 1: just a little tired of can't stay healthy? Well?
Speaker 2: It would be nice to see a full season. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when you can count the injuries incurred on not one
Speaker 2: but two hands over the past three or four years,
Speaker 2: that's not a good sign. It is not no And
Speaker 2: you know, if you take a little bit of a
Speaker 2: look at some underlying stats, he's he's a pretty much
Speaker 2: free swinging sort of guy. I don't think the batting average.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be pressure on the batting average.
Speaker 2: But the big thing is he's got he's gonna stay
Speaker 2: on the field, and he hasn't. He hasn't done it
Speaker 2: thus far. So you know, how do you, hey, Josh
Speaker 2: Josh Young could be a top fifteen third base type,
Speaker 2: but he's got to do it, and thus far it
Speaker 2: just hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: Twenty one through thirty, Tim's got Matt Shaw seven higher
Speaker 1: than the NFC. Tim will explain himself in a few minutes.
Speaker 1: Conder Norby. Tim's starting to build the statue in front
Speaker 1: of his house. I'm a little surprised that he's chalked
Speaker 1: with the NFC at twenty two, but he is. Willie
Speaker 1: Castro at twenty three, Jose Cavaleria up twenty four, Ryan
Speaker 1: McMahon at twenty five, Matt Verlin, Rich Wilson big fan
Speaker 1: of Matt Verling at twenty six, Dylan Moore plays Everywhere
Speaker 1: at twenty seven, Joey Ortiz at twenty eight, My Guy
Speaker 1: Temp nine up, finally starting to see the light with
Speaker 1: Jose Teenya at twenty nine, in Heimer Candelaria at thirty ten.
Speaker 1: Make the case for Matt Shaw.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, Matt show, Here's here's here's case. Match is
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, minor league numbers, twenty one home runs,
Speaker 2: thirty one stolen basis. That's my case with world kids
Speaker 2: got a world of talent if the Cubs, If he
Speaker 2: gets and wins the job, the upside there is huge.
Speaker 1: Would you be ballsy enough to make him your starting
Speaker 1: third basement in your draft?
Speaker 2: If I was going to gamble, Yes, so you.
Speaker 1: Would take Matt Shaw as your third base and then
Speaker 1: backfill him with somebody that you know is going to
Speaker 1: get at bats in case it blows up on you.
Speaker 2: Who would that be exactly?
Speaker 1: Oh, don't say Ryan Man, or you'll be off the show. No, no, no, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was too much of a threat.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think I'd rather have Jim Okay, I would
Speaker 2: look at somebody in Nolan Ernado. Ah maybe yeah, No,
Speaker 2: I can't do It would have to be somebody fairly
Speaker 2: safe and boring. Jose Miranda. Maybe I k F I
Speaker 2: might be able to get I might be able to
Speaker 2: get teen you there and double down on my gam
Speaker 2: like Jo.
Speaker 1: That would be fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joey Orchies is a very He's going late enough
Speaker 2: you could probably pick up Ortiz and uh, I start
Speaker 2: of like Joey Orchies. Yeah, he's his glove's going to
Speaker 2: keep him on the field.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: He's not going to ask you for huge power or
Speaker 2: he'll steal some basses for you. But I would want
Speaker 2: to pair him up with somebody that I felt was
Speaker 2: going to minimal risk okay of not being of not
Speaker 2: playing Ortiz fits I build you a tea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ortiz is a ten ten kind of guy I
Speaker 1: think with a chance to be at twelve, twelve, fifteen
Speaker 1: to fifteenth type player. Yeah, I think there could be.
Speaker 1: But I I if Matt Schoff we get closer to
Speaker 1: I don't know, the let's call it, let's call it
Speaker 1: open when catchers and pictures report. Uh, if we start
Speaker 1: to get to that point and Bregman a sign elsewhere
Speaker 1: I'm moving Matt Shaw up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a good I think that's a
Speaker 2: good call. Right now is ADP's at what three twenty one?
Speaker 2: Which is what twentieth round? Twenty first round?
Speaker 1: It's right there that next column, right next to a
Speaker 1: twenty second round.
Speaker 2: Too, ah, twenty second. Well, the things you notice when
Speaker 2: you told them, God damn.
Speaker 1: Do that little first line that says round the title. Damn, damn, damn.
Speaker 2: I'm doing all these calculations. Okay, note to self, need
Speaker 2: more coffee before doing podcasts in the morning. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I you know where you're looking at currently. You move
Speaker 2: Matt Shop into the two eighty range, you're gonna get
Speaker 2: him right now. Yeah, yeah, I don't have any problems
Speaker 2: with doing that. You're talking after the seventeenth, eighteenth round.
Speaker 2: Anything you do right there's risk yep and the rewards
Speaker 2: potentially on a player like Matt Shah are such that
Speaker 2: I'm willing to take the risk.
Speaker 1: Why isn't Connor Norby a top ten third basement for you? Now?
Speaker 1: You talk about them.
Speaker 2: All the time, because there are players I like better
Speaker 2: than Connor Norby. As much as I hate to say it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like Connor Norby. He's going to be on a
Speaker 2: few of my teams. I like the upside, but there's
Speaker 2: it's Miami that definitely has suppressed his value a bit
Speaker 2: because it's fair. Yeah, when you look at Miami's offense,
Speaker 2: it's offensive. I like Norby, but I'm not going to
Speaker 2: and I don't think you have to overpay as a
Speaker 2: corner infield type.
Speaker 1: If you get caught out and you look back to
Speaker 1: your team and you're sitting in sixteen seventeenth, eighteenth round
Speaker 1: and are short on short on stolen basis, do you
Speaker 1: start to then target Willie Castro or and or Jose Cavalerio. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: for a corner infielder.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I Again, if I'm caught out and I'm strong,
Speaker 2: I think I'd like Castro a little better.
Speaker 1: And both of them have multi position eligibilities second base, shortstop,
Speaker 1: outfield for Willie Castro and Cavalario's second base and shortstop
Speaker 1: and third base. Those guys are pretty valuable.
Speaker 2: Yeah they are. They aren't my initial targets, but if
Speaker 2: it shook down that I had to have one of
Speaker 2: the two of them to make things work, yeah, I'd
Speaker 2: definitely give them a look.
Speaker 1: Hose eighteen is one of my guys, Simmy. It's good
Speaker 1: to see that he's in the top thirty. Here, Tim
Speaker 1: writes a little pop, a little speed and supporting hard
Speaker 1: hit rates and sprint speeds and sport better than we've
Speaker 1: seen so far. Tina makes an intriguing option deeper formats.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have said it better, my friend. As long
Speaker 1: as he as long as they don't hire Bregman or
Speaker 1: somebody else, I'll Jose eighteen has got a chance to
Speaker 1: to really return value here.
Speaker 2: Totally agree. What's his ADP right now? Five? Yeah, let
Speaker 2: me let me to come up with thirty six.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you like I went round him,
Speaker 1: but he beat me to the punch.
Speaker 2: My Avoca says, way too much mileage on that today.
Speaker 1: Rich, good stuff to me. It's take a break and
Speaker 1: start to pop around these last thirty six.
Speaker 2: You have.
Speaker 1: I spent the last few days ten knows because we talked,
Speaker 1: we gonna we talked with day? Did we talk Wednesday?
Speaker 2: I think it was Wednesday? Yeah, it was a day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was the day before you were heading out Friday.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Foolishly, I decided to do another Dynasty League with
Speaker 1: our Patreon members, and we had so much interest. I
Speaker 1: was able to do two leagues, which is double foolishly
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Speaker 1: One of the things I like, Tim Tim calls and
Speaker 1: I what did I say? Tim? What am I doing?
Speaker 2: Why? Why?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Tim says what. I pick up the phone. It's Tim.
Speaker 1: How's it going? Tim?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: He goes, I go, guess what I'm doing? Tim? Ranking players?
Speaker 1: So I had to rank I mean hundreds of players,
Speaker 1: but I got to go through this draft, Timmy. And
Speaker 1: you know, Dynasty League draft is much different than a
Speaker 1: regular draft, and you know you can't use the rankings
Speaker 1: there so I've had to rank everybody, and I was
Speaker 1: able with fan Tracks do all in a spreadsheet and
Speaker 1: then pop that spreadsheet up into there to have my
Speaker 1: rankings there. So I'm pretty excited about that.
Speaker 2: But does it look good?
Speaker 1: What's that your ranking?
Speaker 2: Once you try? Once you migrated them into fan tracks.
Speaker 1: That's perfect. Yeah, everybody, everybody that except for Jung Ho
Speaker 1: Lee goes up in there. Jung Holy off last season.
Speaker 1: He's not going in this season. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing wrong. I don't get it, because you have
Speaker 1: to you have to have the team and the name,
Speaker 1: the player's name is spelled correctly. As long as you
Speaker 1: have that, and I have spelled Jung Ho Lee's name
Speaker 1: every which way, I can't. It just won't accept it
Speaker 1: period in the statement. So I guess they won't be
Speaker 1: drafting Young holy So because he's not on my rankings.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna say he's not on your radar now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So what happens is it's it's like doing your
Speaker 1: own rankings, which you would go in manually do that.
Speaker 1: It just replaces it. And let's say you put in
Speaker 1: a list of three hundred names, Well, the three hundred
Speaker 1: first name becomes the next highest ranked player from fan.
Speaker 2: Tracks, okay, which is sort of good. You can see
Speaker 2: where there's discrepancies and it might be cause for you
Speaker 2: to re evaluate some of your thought processes.
Speaker 1: Right that is that is correct, And you can also
Speaker 1: switch between the two. You can have my rankings and
Speaker 1: then you can switch over to the fan tracks rankings
Speaker 1: if you want to see what they have. And then
Speaker 1: once I get towards the back of it, then I'll
Speaker 1: slurp up all the prospects you know, all the you know,
Speaker 1: so then i'll have you know when I'm in the
Speaker 1: prospects probably only type of then I'll just slurp all
Speaker 1: the prospects in and have those rankings in there. So
Speaker 1: it works up. There's a lot of sophistication in there.
Speaker 1: But Timmy, I could be crazy that I'm doing two
Speaker 1: more dynasty leagues. It might be too much for me.
Speaker 2: We'll see, could be. Do I get a vote? That's
Speaker 2: that's insane. Rich. I wish you're well with it, but man,
Speaker 2: that's a lot of work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's gonna be fun drafting to me. So
Speaker 1: I think I'm drafting six to one league in twelfth
Speaker 1: or so in another league, so I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm going to go. You know, I wrote a note
Speaker 1: to everybody just giving them some thoughts and these dinings
Speaker 1: of league startups. I mean, you've got to make the decision,
Speaker 1: and usually the draft will dictate do you want to
Speaker 1: go really young and play for a championship in you know,
Speaker 1: two to four years, or do you want to go
Speaker 1: for it now and know that your team's going to
Speaker 1: stink in two to four years. So I mean you
Speaker 1: need to if you play it in the middle, that's
Speaker 1: tough position to be in, right, you know, don't try
Speaker 1: to play both sides of it. So you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see how the.
Speaker 2: Worst spot you can be in in a dynasty league,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is a mid BAC team. That's right,
Speaker 2: You're not going down. Congratulations, you've now finished six five
Speaker 2: years in a row. Yeah, your reward for that is
Speaker 2: probably a rebuild.
Speaker 1: Which is tough. I mean, it's rebuilds are really tough.
Speaker 1: So so I just told everybody, Look, if you decide
Speaker 1: to go young, don't bail after the first year when
Speaker 1: you got a thirteenth place team, because that's what you
Speaker 1: drafted for. And also, you know, if you draft the
Speaker 1: team to win now and you let's see you get
Speaker 1: in the money. Don't quit after the third year when
Speaker 1: your team stinks. You know, it's like you're going to
Speaker 1: probably pick one of the other path and we'll see
Speaker 1: what what happens. And I just think it's fascinating. We're
Speaker 1: talking about Rafael Devers and there's kind of they will drop.
Speaker 1: I mean they won't go as high as Roman Anthony
Speaker 1: will go up in front of Rafael Devers.
Speaker 2: He just will Andcot and Bissello and yeah, they're gonna
Speaker 2: see huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna go way before, Like Michael Trout will
Speaker 1: go in the tenth round and you're gonna be going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like what is happening here? It's Michael
Speaker 1: Trout or not. Michael Trout could go on the fifteenth.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be crazy stuff and and and so so
Speaker 1: I also wrote like your emotions are gonna take over.
Speaker 1: You're gonna see these famous players that are really good,
Speaker 1: and you go, when do I draft them? No one knows,
Speaker 1: just it. That's what's fun on these drafts. I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys will sit at the top of the queue
Speaker 1: and why aren't they going they're good players? Well, because
Speaker 1: you want Roman Anthony, Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Junior Cavnaro a first round pick.
Speaker 1: Probably, yes, probably, yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's a different world, it is.
Speaker 1: It's Jackson Cheerio a top five player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, No. I totally agree though, with what you
Speaker 2: were saying as far as building your team, if you're
Speaker 2: committing to a couple of years out, you got to
Speaker 2: be very very careful that you don't get caught up.
Speaker 2: And this guy has fallen so much. I got to
Speaker 2: take him. I got to hey him. No, you got
Speaker 2: a plan, stick to your plan. It's when you start
Speaker 2: deviating from that plan ten rounds into a draft, did
Speaker 2: you end up in a real mess, because then you
Speaker 2: don't have either either You've got or and that's not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Our friend Tim Webber, who's plays a lot of time,
Speaker 1: so he's a really good player. By the way, one
Speaker 1: DL four against me and I had a great team
Speaker 1: and he just blew rock pass. So I hate him now.
Speaker 1: But he's got a team that he drafted last season
Speaker 1: and he went boss to the wall man. He went
Speaker 1: Junior Cambinario, Jackson Cheerio, Dylan Sees not Dylan Cruz. I
Speaker 1: don't know who log but he went like the first
Speaker 1: ten rounds, he went really really young, and his team stunk,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you look at it this
Speaker 1: season and go, wow, that's a good looking team. So
Speaker 1: your fortunes can change very very quickly in this format.
Speaker 2: Yes, they surely, surely can give me a second.
Speaker 1: I have to let beans out of here. So he's
Speaker 1: tired of doing the podcast with the Stimmys saying we're
Speaker 1: going too long.
Speaker 2: He wants to play catch.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's what time is? Eleven twenty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're both probably sitting out in the living room with
Speaker 1: the balls and their mouths waiting for me to throw
Speaker 1: the ball. So all right, Timmy, let's bounce around here.
Speaker 1: Thirty one. Let's see Jace Young? Is that thirty five?
Speaker 1: Tell me what you think about Jay Young, Josh Young's
Speaker 1: little brother.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to like. We haven't seen
Speaker 2: any of the big league levels, so I think in
Speaker 2: regraft leagues. Yeah, he's a reserve round target.
Speaker 1: Should I bust your chops about Anthony Rendon up twenty
Speaker 1: seven slots over the NFBC. Ah, you could, but I'm
Speaker 1: assuming he's there because he has a full time job.
Speaker 2: That's exactly why he's there. Exactly, the NFFC is just
Speaker 2: staying totally away from him.
Speaker 1: You can't blame them, Tim, No, Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't blame I can't blame them. No, Am I
Speaker 2: targeting Anthony Rendo rendome because I've got him twenty seven
Speaker 2: spots hired? No, I'm not targeting Anthony Rendo, but he
Speaker 2: could hit twenty homers and driving needy runs. Yeah, Am
Speaker 2: I gonna bet no? But I think the fact that
Speaker 2: he's got the job has to come into play at
Speaker 2: some point in time.
Speaker 1: After the top thirty. It's boring. I'm just gonna say
Speaker 1: flat out, there's a lot of There's a lot of
Speaker 1: except for a couple of names, and that comes in
Speaker 1: at number thirty nine with Noville Marte and number forty
Speaker 1: four if Kobe Mayo. Yes, I know you're a little
Speaker 1: bit lower on them than the NFBC, and I get
Speaker 1: it because there's doesn't appear to be a path for
Speaker 1: both of for either one of these guys. But exactly,
Speaker 1: they're pretty good baseball players. Is it would you take
Speaker 1: a Campbell in the draft and hold on these guys
Speaker 1: or is it it just just gonna stay away.
Speaker 2: Uh no, I'm I'm I'm definitely not staying away. I've
Speaker 2: got Marte in one of my I drafted him last
Speaker 2: fall in the xfl MM. I like the talent, I
Speaker 2: like the potential. But at the same point in time,
Speaker 2: what guarantees do we have right now? None?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Reds could decide his pendance for last year is
Speaker 2: going to be served this year as well, right, and
Speaker 2: he could sit down on a farm all year, couldn't he?
Speaker 1: He could? What about Kobe Mayo, I mean, obviously he's
Speaker 1: he's blocked two ways to particularly if Jackson Holiday gets
Speaker 1: off to a strong start. But that's a guy's a
Speaker 1: good player and he has nothing left to prove in
Speaker 1: the minor leagues.
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't. But uh it's breaking breaking cam. I
Speaker 2: can't see a way that he makes a roster and
Speaker 2: Holiday doesn't barring injury. Yeah, So we sit back and wait.
Speaker 2: And it's not that I don't like Kobe Mayo. Uh I,
Speaker 2: there's there's a good they're not a good chance. There's
Speaker 2: a chance that he makes my waiver wire depending on
Speaker 2: what happens to Jackson Holiday. But I'm all in on
Speaker 2: Jackson Holiday. So how do I rank Kobe Mayo, Mayo
Speaker 2: up much higher than where he's at. I also noticed
Speaker 2: that I sort of like the kid in Pittsburgh a
Speaker 2: fair a bit too. Uh what is it, Triola?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Why why do you like anybody in Pittsburgh? Uh?
Speaker 2: Because Paul Skeens needs needs somebody you like other than
Speaker 2: posts Pittsford Bence I like to get. I think he's
Speaker 2: got potential. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: But so I just double checked on roster resource just
Speaker 1: to make sure before I suggest this. Okay, Edgie Rosario
Speaker 1: still has a job as we sit here on February first,
Speaker 1: and just like with Jose Tinya and Matt Shall, longer
Speaker 1: he has a job, the more interesting he gets at
Speaker 1: the draft table.
Speaker 2: I agree, because again, right now we're hearing rumors that
Speaker 2: the Padres are looking at moving cease and I can't
Speaker 2: remember who else it is. Yeah, a lot of these,
Speaker 2: a lot of the kids in San Diego might get opportunities.
Speaker 2: And should he get an opportunity, there's definitely some skills there.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't I wouldn't leave him off your.
Speaker 1: Radar, particular for draft on old leagues.
Speaker 2: Yes, especially in drafting whole leagues, because again, Hey, if
Speaker 2: the podteris go with, hey, there's a no field a
Speaker 2: otfielder there that I like a lot in Churso.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same scenario.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know, these players have some skills,
Speaker 2: it's just where they're San Diego sticks to the plan.
Speaker 2: It looks like the plan might be dumping some salary
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these guys might get a shot. They just
Speaker 1: might get a shot. There's nobody in the minor leagues
Speaker 1: that's going to take it over. Yeah, they could sign
Speaker 1: a three million dollar outfielder or a three million dollars
Speaker 1: in field or to take every one of these slots.
Speaker 1: But why not see if Terso or Nelius or you
Speaker 1: get Eggie Rosario could play.
Speaker 2: Well, then Hey, the potteries have never been trying about
Speaker 2: giving young kids opportunities. They've pushed people through their miners
Speaker 2: in the past. Well, they got a couple that you're
Speaker 2: just sitting there, right, They could give them that shot.
Speaker 1: All right, Tammy, let me give you the hard questions here. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what play or not in the top ten currently will
Speaker 1: be there next season?
Speaker 2: Not in the top ten.
Speaker 1: So you go to number eleven and you look down.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm still I'm still mystified by the rowins here.
Speaker 1: I think the calculating, I think the calculation is right.
Speaker 1: I don't just you're mystified because you didn't realize it
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that. I'm gonna I'm gonna go with
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Michael Garcia, whoa w easy picks
Speaker 2: would be Boomer and Suarez. But I'm gonna go down
Speaker 2: a little bit further and go with Garcia.
Speaker 1: Hey, man, if that guy hits fifteen eighteen home runs, yes,
Speaker 1: the answer is yes, he's gonna jump up. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. Tim, all right, which which guy? And
Speaker 1: it can't be Jazz Chisholm. He might lose third base eligibility.
Speaker 1: You gotta tell me somebody else that's gonna drop out?
Speaker 1: Uh or Venta is probably gonna lose third base eligibility.
Speaker 2: Yeah he loses. Well, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: with ry Lewis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gotta be m m because yeah.
Speaker 2: He's got to have a season where he gets in
Speaker 2: five hundred plus at bats. He just has to be
Speaker 2: at some point in time. If he doesn't get that,
Speaker 2: are you gonna take the chance next No, no, it's.
Speaker 1: It's it's Byron Buckson all over again. And Byron Buckson
Speaker 1: is going I think his ADPs in the four or
Speaker 1: five hundreds, now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's just yeah, after the thrill is gone, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, Ryce Lewis is at that stage after.
Speaker 1: The thrill is gone. That's an eagle song, right it is?
Speaker 2: Okay, I believe Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah. Uh, Junior camin Area. Could Junior
Speaker 1: came in Area become a top three third baseman.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I could see. I could see him next
Speaker 2: year potentially being as high as the number two off
Speaker 2: the board. If he goes thirty one hundred this year
Speaker 2: with a strong batting average, that puts him in a
Speaker 2: discussion to be a top five player at third base.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say, hose eighteen, you becomes a first
Speaker 1: a starting third baseman this time next year he's going
Speaker 1: to be in the top fifteen at least.
Speaker 2: Bold But yeah, there's a lot of skills there. Whether
Speaker 2: they come to the fore next year or the year after,
Speaker 2: who knows. But he does have the When you start
Speaker 2: looking at the group from twenty to thirty, the guys
Speaker 2: that have got the huge upside or guys tana uh
Speaker 2: Matt Shaw. Yeah, yeah, if Matt Shaw explodes onto the scene,
Speaker 2: he could move up in a hurry, a real real
Speaker 2: quick hurry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to just to let everybody know. So it's
Speaker 1: a teena again, very small sample size. Average ex velocity
Speaker 1: was ninety one point two miles an hour, ranks in
Speaker 1: the eightieth percentile. Heard it rates ninety percentile. Sprint speed
Speaker 1: rates seventy first percent of the other thing they struggles
Speaker 1: with just like Michael Garcia, he swings at everything, so.
Speaker 2: But he's also very he's also very young.
Speaker 1: He's very twenty three years old. So but there's and if.
Speaker 2: They don't bring anybody in, that means they're committing to
Speaker 2: him for the long term, and that provides a little
Speaker 2: bit of security, I think to the individual himself and
Speaker 2: for us in the fantasy game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's all up to him. It's I
Speaker 1: think if we'll know the kind of player he is
Speaker 1: by June first, and so will they Washington Nationals, and
Speaker 1: it's either going to work or it's not. But he
Speaker 1: walked a little bit more when he was in the
Speaker 1: minor leagues. But just so everybody knows and you know
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, eighteen home runs, fifteen stolen bases to
Speaker 1: eighty seven batting average with a twenty six percent strikeout
Speaker 1: right in a seven point six percent walk rate. It's
Speaker 1: a pretty good baseball player.
Speaker 2: Yes he is.
Speaker 1: Okay, Timmy, give me a couple of sleepers.
Speaker 2: A couple of sleepers. Connor Narby. Yeah, great, there's there's
Speaker 2: one I like going down a little bit further. Bret
Speaker 2: Red baby, baby.
Speaker 1: Really, that's interesting. We didn't talk about him. So is
Speaker 1: it going to be with the Mets though?
Speaker 2: H I would I would think so. They're looking. They're
Speaker 2: looking at giving him a pretty good audition, I think
Speaker 2: this year and it will. I think whatever happens this
Speaker 2: year will shape his future as a member of the Mets.
Speaker 2: And again, if you're looking at deeper leagues, hey, he's
Speaker 2: in contention for the third base job in New York.
Speaker 2: It's not like he didn't have a lot of potential
Speaker 2: or wasn't highly thought. It's thought of. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: started like him.
Speaker 1: Let's see third base is so they got him in.
Speaker 1: They roster resources that got him penciled in at third base.
Speaker 2: Who do they have in there?
Speaker 1: Brett Batty.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, sorry, Yeah, they.
Speaker 1: Got Viento's at first base. I mean, I guess if
Speaker 1: Pete Alanza resigns, then Viena's goes back to third base,
Speaker 1: and then it's probably Synaro to Brett Batty. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and in the infield they've got competing Lewis Angallicunya, who
Speaker 1: could you know take over for Brett Baddie as possibility.
Speaker 1: I think Baddie is alt got more impact potential, right, So,
Speaker 1: and then you know it's it's not all that deep
Speaker 1: at third base, it's probably one of those two players.
Speaker 2: Right. So one of the guys that I am going
Speaker 2: to be watching very very carefully this year because of
Speaker 2: his debut last year was Cam Smith.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I I don't think we're going to see
Speaker 2: him this year, but again, after that debut, there's there's
Speaker 2: a player that definitely has my attention moving forward.
Speaker 1: And Cam Smith got moved to Houston Astros just so
Speaker 1: everybody remembers. So now the probably the I still like
Speaker 1: Jacob Melton probably a little bit more, but Cam Smith
Speaker 1: is probably know probably a top prospect in that organization
Speaker 1: now and I'm going to destroy out Kobe Mayo. I
Speaker 1: don't know what happens, but at some point, I mean
Speaker 1: the he's got to be freed. I mean it's if
Speaker 1: if Jackson Holiday blows up, and because Jackson Holliday and
Speaker 1: who's at first base? They still got Ryan Montcastle, right,
Speaker 1: so he's playing first base. If there's no room, I mean,
Speaker 1: the Oriels are going to have to move Kobe Mayo
Speaker 1: at some point or he's going to start to lose value.
Speaker 1: So I think we're going to see a Kobe Mayor
Speaker 1: resolution either getting a chance in Baltimore at some point
Speaker 1: or moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe they'll trade to Miami for Edward Caberra.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, another guy that goes to goes to
Speaker 1: the minor leagues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Sorry a little snarky there?
Speaker 1: Many how many more years is Ryan mont Castle? It's
Speaker 1: only twenty eight years old. But seeing his last year
Speaker 1: of his contract, I can I can look that up
Speaker 1: very arbit tration contract one year, it's only six point
Speaker 1: eight million dollars, service time four point one two. So
Speaker 1: he's got he's got one more year. He's got two
Speaker 1: years left of team control. So yeah, I holding on
Speaker 1: to Kobe Mayo. When you got Sam Sam Bassalo up
Speaker 1: behind him potentially as a first basement or Kobe Mayo
Speaker 1: just might be a tweener for the for the Orioles
Speaker 1: and he gets moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's entirely possible, and I would like to
Speaker 2: you know, I know Basella is very young, but at
Speaker 2: some point in time they got a decision to make there.
Speaker 1: M hm, what about what about the Padres and the
Speaker 1: Orioles hooking up for Dylan Cees. Move Kobe Mayo. That's
Speaker 1: Kobe Mayo takes over for third base going into the
Speaker 1: season and Dylan Cees becomes, you know, your number one
Speaker 1: two starter for Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Makes sense the Os need a pitcher. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: that makes struggle sense.
Speaker 1: Dylan Sees might not be high on their list just
Speaker 1: because he walks too many guys, but that's just the
Speaker 1: way it is, all right. See what else? Uh, so
Speaker 1: give me a couple of sleepers and he give me
Speaker 1: a guy maybe too, that you're just going to avoid
Speaker 1: drafting at the top of the list.
Speaker 2: Here at the top of the list guys.
Speaker 1: That I Royce Lewis, I'm assuming is one of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Royce Lewis is a definite uh, going down a
Speaker 2: little bit further. Jake Berger doesn't enthrow me at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he just doesn't. And the other guy that I am
Speaker 2: definitely one hundred percent staying away from his Heimer Candelario.
Speaker 2: Why so well, he's in Cincinnati. Okay, They've got so
Speaker 2: much strong young talent. You know, Candelaria is going to
Speaker 2: need four hundred and fifty plus at Batch to generate
Speaker 2: another twenty home run season. I think there's a good
Speaker 2: chance that he doesn't get to that level. I just
Speaker 2: don't want to, you know. You know, at some point
Speaker 2: in time, Strand's gonna have to enter into the pitcher,
Speaker 2: as is Marte, I would hope, and it's just crowded,
Speaker 2: and I think iimer Candelaria to generate that twenty Their
Speaker 2: twenty home run season is gonna need at Beats. I
Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna get it, so I'm not going
Speaker 2: anywhere near. The other guy that I won't touch is
Speaker 2: Christopher Morrell. Home run potential is fantastic. How much is
Speaker 2: he gonna play it? Yeah, No, it's just.
Speaker 1: Somebody one of our Patreon members wrote wrote me a
Speaker 1: note about the Tampa Bay Rays, I think, publicly saying
Speaker 1: that they were changing their approach to developmental and we're
Speaker 1: looking for more more guys with power and as opposed
Speaker 1: to plate discipline. So it's interesting. I need to follow
Speaker 1: up with that, you know, with that member to find
Speaker 1: out to dig a little bit more into it. That's
Speaker 1: definitely if you look at the profiles of the players
Speaker 1: and the guys that are acquiring, Yeah, they they want
Speaker 1: more of the junior cambon Areos and morels, the guys
Speaker 1: that got big time power and you don't care so
Speaker 1: much about getting on base. So it's pretty interesting philosophy
Speaker 1: change if true.
Speaker 2: Right, the other guy that I won't touch for the
Speaker 2: ten FO Bowls, Nolan Aaron Adam. Yeah, no, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to buy Nolan or you know, invest in Nolan
Speaker 2: Aaron not on in the fifteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth round.
Speaker 1: It's no just I think he's he's just there if
Speaker 1: you if you get caught out and just need some
Speaker 1: guy that's going to get you fifteen sixteen home runs
Speaker 1: and a decent batting average and that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if i I'll look at moving match up Connor Norby.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of other Ryan McMahon perfectly boring. I don't
Speaker 2: know I've no, I'll pass on Ryan McMahon. I've seen
Speaker 2: and I've seen enough of the best of McMahon and
Speaker 2: it's not good enough. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought he'd be better than what he turned out.
Speaker 1: He just he just never really developed the power. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's in Colorado. You should have more power than twenty pop.
Speaker 1: I just just baffling.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so you know, I I don't think there's
Speaker 2: any surprises with my stay away from list.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Well, so we run out time. Let's
Speaker 1: take a break and come back and wrap this puppy up.
Speaker 1: We usually take a break between the infield and the
Speaker 1: outfield because it's longer, So maybe Tim needs an extra
Speaker 1: week put the outfield together if we can finally squeeze
Speaker 1: in this fantasy questions of the Al West. But I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get to it today, Tim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, I get to use the
Speaker 2: control C and control V thing again.
Speaker 1: There you go. What are your final final thoughts on
Speaker 1: third base before we wrap it? Wrap it up?
Speaker 2: I think the thing that I find the most intriguing
Speaker 2: with third base this year the number of different ways
Speaker 2: and directions one can head. Okay, there's a pretty solid,
Speaker 2: solid group of power hitting third baseman. It tails off
Speaker 2: reasonably quick. But the thing that intrigues me, or that
Speaker 2: Michael Garcia is with the speed reniefel uh. You know,
Speaker 2: going further down the list and looking at Willie Castro
Speaker 2: Dylan Moore, you've got some third base eligible players that
Speaker 2: provide you something that you don't normally see a lot
Speaker 2: of a third base and the stolen bases. So I
Speaker 2: think you can realistically take a look at third base
Speaker 2: from any number of different positions and make it work.
Speaker 2: And I find that very fascinating and intriguing. I really do.
Speaker 1: I want to see how I handled h third base.
Speaker 1: I can't remember now, it's been several months since I
Speaker 1: wrote this at see starting pitching outfield third base can't drafts.
Speaker 1: I think I'm waiting. Yeah, yeah, I said, I suggested.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting a little. I'm kind of with Tim.
Speaker 2: Well, Hey, I'd love to and your camin Arrow on
Speaker 2: my team. But yeah, by the time draft day rules around, yeah,
Speaker 2: the price on them could be outrageous. You know, Manny
Speaker 2: Machado's perfectly boring candidate at third base. He just goes
Speaker 2: out and gets it done year after year. But again,
Speaker 2: it's all going to depend on your team building, how
Speaker 2: you want to construct your team, and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of options that are different that we don't normally see
Speaker 2: at third base this year. And that I said that
Speaker 2: intrauce me.
Speaker 1: My targets were drafting hold leagues were Jose Teenya, Matt Shaw,
Speaker 1: and Jase Young.
Speaker 2: And how many of them did you get? Do you remember?
Speaker 1: Uh? Definitely got TINYA. I don't think I got anybody else.
Speaker 1: I believe I got uh. So I here's here's my
Speaker 1: my target's mid bitpack of course, Michael Garcia, love, Matt Chapman, right,
Speaker 1: Alex Bregman, so, Alec Baum, so all the guys that
Speaker 1: you brought up, Joey Ortiz, Matt Vierling, Who'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of. So yeah, those are some of my targets
Speaker 1: that I put in there. So yeah, kind of in
Speaker 1: line with where you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Hey, I love the elite talent up top.
Speaker 2: But I think it depends on how you want to
Speaker 2: construct your team. And for me, I've been through a
Speaker 2: couple of drafts now and I went outfield early in
Speaker 2: one and I went outfield late in the other. I
Speaker 2: like one a lot more than the other. When I
Speaker 2: look at my final roster. Yeah, a lot more outfield.
Speaker 2: Is it gets ugly, real ugly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wrote my first sentence here is you can't
Speaker 1: draft every position in the first three rounds. So it's
Speaker 1: like a truism, right, It's like want Jose Ramirez, I
Speaker 1: want one Soto, I want you know, it's like you
Speaker 1: can't have them all. So I guess when it's second round,
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys obviously aren't going to be there.
Speaker 1: The same happens, so so you have to do you
Speaker 1: have to pick a position late at some point you do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just so many positions available. Yeah, and trying
Speaker 2: to minimize the hurt when you don't have this, you know,
Speaker 2: for say, a strong traditional type of third basement or
Speaker 2: first basement. Yeah. Say, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: the bottom line is what you have when you're finished
Speaker 2: with your twenty three active spots and your reserve rounds,
Speaker 2: and it's it's a total package. And again, I can't
Speaker 2: stress how important it is to look at team construction,
Speaker 2: you know, and and and build your team in the
Speaker 2: best possible manner that you can. And like you said,
Speaker 2: you're not going to get them all. You just have
Speaker 2: to pick and choose where it's advantageous for you personally
Speaker 2: with your build.
Speaker 1: All Right, somebody calling me from Atlanta, Georgia. I wonder
Speaker 1: that is Tim probably trying to sell me insurance products.
Speaker 2: No, I know exactly who it is. Used a new car, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: how was your warranty? So? May I may?
Speaker 1: I mayo opine on that. Can I know Pine about
Speaker 1: the extended warranties?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you may, I'm curious to hear this.
Speaker 1: So, so we bought the car. We paid cash for.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's impossible to buy a cheap car.
Speaker 1: I don't know how people do it. I mean, the
Speaker 1: cars are freaking expensive. So we paid, We paid cash
Speaker 1: for the car, and then they send me this list
Speaker 1: of all the add ons I could get. It was
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars and ship I could Pine put on
Speaker 1: top of the car. I'm like, one of them was
Speaker 1: what I don't know if they called it something you
Speaker 1: put on the outside of the inside of the car
Speaker 1: that makes a ceramic something that costs like three grand
Speaker 1: that would make it like like perfectly shine for the
Speaker 1: five years you you know. I'm like, I don't need that.
Speaker 1: Can I go spend ten dollars for a car wash
Speaker 1: and have the same thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like extra wax, okay, go with the
Speaker 2: extra wax twelve bucks instead of Yeah, it's like fins
Speaker 2: and that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what a ceramic finishes. I like, what why
Speaker 1: do I want this? Oh? But you know it's so
Speaker 1: your car looks perfect? Like, I don't care, it's so
Speaker 1: what a car. It's a car exactly.
Speaker 2: Ten minutes after you drive off the lot. It's worth
Speaker 2: X minus too much, and it just continues to depreciate
Speaker 2: over its lifetime and then you replace it again. Right.
Speaker 1: They wanted twenty five hundred dollars for the next five
Speaker 1: years in case I blow out tires that I could
Speaker 1: come back and get new tires. Like if you get
Speaker 1: a nail on the tire, you get to come back
Speaker 1: and they replace the tire for free. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: how much does a tire cost? Three hundred dollars? I go, okay,
Speaker 1: So I got to blow out eight to nine tires
Speaker 1: in five years, I said, I said, what about if
Speaker 1: the tire wears it? Oh, they're not covered. I'm like,
Speaker 1: am I going to blow out eight tires in four years?
Speaker 1: I decided I wasn't.
Speaker 2: Exactly okay, in the next ten years for five years. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I go into my mechanic and you know, then of
Speaker 2: the shop talk to the boys. I think I picked
Speaker 2: up a nail. Okay, let's see, we'll fix it. Oh
Speaker 2: that's thirty bucks. Yeah, it's all said and done. They
Speaker 2: pull a nail out for the patch in and away
Speaker 2: you go. Tires good.
Speaker 1: But even if they couldn't, Tim, you'd have to be
Speaker 1: in live in a construction site to run over that
Speaker 1: many nails to make that. So I said, I don't
Speaker 1: understand because well most of the guys said, well, look,
Speaker 1: most people finance the car and they just throw in
Speaker 1: these things, this part, so you pay another five dollars
Speaker 1: ten dollars a month for this and it all gets
Speaker 1: all gets lost in there. I'm like, but this is
Speaker 1: like total profit for the dealership. He goes, yes, like,
Speaker 1: that's why.
Speaker 2: That's why vehicle they have somebody in accounting spend lots
Speaker 2: of time with you selling you all these features before
Speaker 2: you come up with the final price. Okay, it's those
Speaker 2: add ons that make a huge difference.
Speaker 1: And I have to tell you, Timmy v by the car.
Speaker 1: There was no pressure at all me. Was there pressure
Speaker 1: on these add ons? Oh my word, I felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, I felt like I was making a horrible
Speaker 1: decision by not getting the ceramic finish, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just you're You're making a huge mistake, mister Wilson.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you no, I'm not never had this
Speaker 1: in my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah until this year. How many winters have you gone
Speaker 2: through with a vehicle where you're driving through snow constantly? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So yeah, it doesn't even doesn't even really apply for
Speaker 2: the most part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And guess what. I go to the I go
Speaker 1: to the the car washing eight ten bucks. It looks
Speaker 1: just like new when I get get out of there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm driving at twenty fourteen. It's ten years
Speaker 2: old and I only watched it twice a year. And
Speaker 2: I live in the snow now, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's gonna sell me something useful.
Speaker 1: But no, But I know I couldn't believe. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: everybody listened to this. You might if you there's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys that sell sell cars that listen to us,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're telling me, I'm all wet, I
Speaker 1: need the ceramic diss and I need the nail that
Speaker 1: and I get it, but it, I said, note tonight,
Speaker 1: I didn't get anything. The only thing I did was
Speaker 1: pre buy the warranties, you know, the pre pay for
Speaker 1: you know, the annual maintenance because that's they're yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good, yeah, because they give you discounts on that. Well,
Speaker 1: you give me, give me one thousand dollars and that
Speaker 1: covers the next four you know, four years of four
Speaker 1: years of warranty stuff. I'm like, what is it generally
Speaker 1: costing fifteen hundred dollars? Okay, I'll do that. But that
Speaker 1: was it. That's the only thing I bought, and I
Speaker 1: suggested that not the other crack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll pick up the oil changes and I'll pick
Speaker 2: up the services whatever. Yeah, give me a discount, yeah,
Speaker 2: or way we go, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Way we go.
Speaker 2: You're gonna use them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I do. I go get it serviced every year.
Speaker 1: And then people say it's dumb to go to the
Speaker 1: dealership to do it, but I'm I'm I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about cars. I mean, so I just go to
Speaker 1: the dealership and they fix everything for me, and I'm
Speaker 1: good with that. But that was my experience with all
Speaker 1: the add Onsoy what a what a racket?
Speaker 2: Man? Well, and between you and me, ten years from now,
Speaker 2: when you're trying to sell what vehicle, the fact that
Speaker 2: it's got ceramic finish on it is not going to
Speaker 2: sway me to up my offer.
Speaker 1: Rouse at Well, here's the deal. So we ran this
Speaker 1: car into the ground. To me, it had one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand miles on it, It's eleven years old. It still
Speaker 1: works perfectly, and you know it needed new tires and
Speaker 1: new bushings. And so I went out to Kelly Blue
Speaker 1: Book and I think we spent sixty grand for the
Speaker 1: buy the car. Ten years it was worth four thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: And I'm like like like like what exactly? So I
Speaker 1: mean these cars they're not worth anything. And it's just
Speaker 1: like you know, you go in and you spend fifty
Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars, which is totally what cars cost now,
Speaker 1: and and ten years later they're worth ten percent of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, why am I? Why do I care
Speaker 1: about the finish on my car? I didn't get it.
Speaker 1: I just didn't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, vehicle's the worst investment you'll ever make. I know.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's that's It's just the way it is,
Speaker 2: but you got you gotta have one.
Speaker 1: That's there's my opining. So do what you want when
Speaker 1: you buy a car. If I buy, if I come
Speaker 1: to your dealership and I buy a new car, it's
Speaker 1: not going to have the ceramic I never heard that
Speaker 1: word before. Ceramic coding US used to be rust undercoding.
Speaker 1: That was the big thing people used to try to
Speaker 1: sell you on. Is rust undercoding That that wasn't inclusive,
Speaker 1: something called ceramic now.
Speaker 2: So yeah, up here, it makes sense to have your
Speaker 2: vehicle undercoted because we use so much salt on the
Speaker 2: roads in the winter and you're dealing with lots of snow,
Speaker 2: slush and everything else. Undercoding makes makes sense. But yeah,
Speaker 2: no ceramic. No, not for this guy.
Speaker 1: Not for this guy either. Tell me it's a wrap,
Speaker 1: my friend. Have a good week. We will. Are we
Speaker 1: doing the prospects later? This next week? Is Tuesday?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're looking at Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tuesday at Yeah it sounds good. Might have to
Speaker 1: do it a little later on Tuesday, but yeah, Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Tuesday works for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what what are we covering Tuesday? Just so
Speaker 2: I do the right ones this time?
Speaker 1: I think we're the last one the National League West. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's right, tho, No, No Al West, Ale West Al
Speaker 1: West Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been a gap up in between there and
Speaker 2: is good, but the recall sort of sucks.
Speaker 1: American Al West it is. So until then, Timmy, be
Speaker 1: weell
Speaker 2: Be safe, be well, and we'll talk to you Tuesday