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Speaker 1: What is a fellasi Because I am Dan Valley coming

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at you solo to talk a little bit about Jimmy Butler,

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who will shout Sharani at ESPN dropping her name on Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily one we weren't.

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Speaker 3: Expecting, but just reporting that Jimmy Butler would prefer a

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trade out of Miami in advance of free agency, and

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the crux of the report was basically anchored in not

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just his future, but his being caught off guard by

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pat Riley's comments at the end of last season.

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Speaker 1: Pat Riley has since commented on it because pat Riley

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is basically a front office gangster and I love it.

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Speaker 2: At this point, lots.

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Speaker 2: The basis of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Though, I think, is going to be I'm just going

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to go through some of the destinations that I think

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well that we know Jimmy Butler listed, then talk about

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some dark horses. We'll talk about the plausibility behind everything,

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and ultimately how we see this coming out without further delay, though,

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let's hop to it. Let's get to the bullet points

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of everything that's going on so far before we get

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into the teams. Butler has a two point four million

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dollars player option he will decline for next season. Pat

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Riley has since come out and said that these rumors

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are a distraction and the Miami Heat will not be

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trading Jimmy Butler. We've heard that type of front office

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peak before from others. Butler reportedly prefers our trade to

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the Golden State Warriors, the Dallas Mavericks, the Phoenix Suns,

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or the Houston Rockets. When you look at the landscape,

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if we're getting into does Jimmy Butler have any leverage here.

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only team that's projected to probably have enough cap space

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to sign him out right if he wants his max salary. However,

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there are other teams Detroit, Washington, San Antonio a few

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others that they have a pathway to getting there if

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they need to or if they want Jimmy Butler. You

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can also look at sign in trades, which is probably

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the Heat's biggest form of leverage here too, is that

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the market is so lacking of cap space that if

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he wants to leave, he's eventually going to need their help,

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whether that's in the middle of the season or is

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it over the summer via sign in trade. There could

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be an opt in in trade as well. With that said,

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I do if I had to guess, I think Jimmy

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Butler's going to get traded by the deadline. You don't

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want to risk losing him for nothing. If there is

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a dark horse team out there that maybe goes about

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creating cap space, or even if you're able to sign

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in trade or complete an opted in trade, it's very

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rarely unless he doesn't isn't going to have a market

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and trade as you would if you're trading someone just

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in the middle of the year when they're when their

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contract essentially isn't up. I know we're talking about a

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few months difference here, but Butler's not. He's thirty five,

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so he's not getting any younger. Those few extra months matter.

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him and then lose him, like if the price drops

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get off his money and get whatever we can, and

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we're just taking back expiring contracts. Maybe there's a team

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season rental on Jimmy Butler. But if you're the Heat

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there's a more valuable player or more impactful player theoretically

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interest to move him because I think they get more

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now than they will if they're exploring sign and trade

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Sixers ended up making out quite well.

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wheels to an extent of, hey, can we clear enough

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if Jimmy Butler wants thirty five million dollars a year?

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much flexibility the Wizards have. And just also the new

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mid level exception that will benefit teams that might want

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do believe there'll be more teams that will be inclined

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to do that for him this summer ahead of his

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age thirty six season than there were with James Harden.

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more scalable than what James Harden. I know Jimmy Butler's

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not the greatest shooter, but he has just more experience

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playing off the ball, and the defense you get from him,

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they could just makes it more scalable, even at an

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older age. So my guest is though he gets traded

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mid season because that he does have some real leverage here.

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with the Dallas Mavericks here. They're interesting and I want

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to dispel a notion that Dallas has to trade Kyrie

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a trade, just a framework of a trade where that

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would get you Jimmy Butler. It's just you have to

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ask yourself. And as I'm recording this, we don't have

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any word on how long of a time Luka Doncic

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an extended period of time.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this makes it more.

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less likely because of one of our best players isn't

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going to be healthy at the same time, doesn't make

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it easier to keep our heads above water while he's gone,

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and then when he comes back, we just have this

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three headed monster with Luka, Dancis, Kyrie Irving and Jimmy Butler.

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Big threes to that degree are prohibitive, bordering on an

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impossibility in the new salary cap climate, because we know

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franchises aren't going to exist, you know, inside the Second

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you never saw these teams, very few that were just

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Speaker 2: Come and repeatedly doing it.

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Speaker 1: So there's always this because you would get more punitive

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the more expensive you got. There's always going to be

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a limit, and so I don't I probably would not

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Speaker 2: They don't need Jimmy Butler at full strength.

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and they're a.

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Speaker 2: Viable championship threat.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for that extra oomph, and you're saying, well,

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Jimmy Butler fills a bunch of boxes because of what

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he does defensively, and he gives us that third bankable

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guy who can create for himself and others in the

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half court in a playoff setting, whereas right now it's

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easier or a lot easier, I should say, to exist

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be like a three or four team deal.

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Speaker 1: The one I have mapped out would be the mass

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Ivy and Daniel Gafford. The Pistons get Zach Lavine, Tory

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Craig and Al Berks, Miami gets Simoni Fontechio, Maxi Kliba,

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twenty thirty one, first two. But you just get into

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just some really mind melting questions of are you giving

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Butler that we the Mavericks know they're gonna keep him.

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Speaker 2: He wants to be in Dallas, and.

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Speaker 1: So that that behooves them to say, Okay, we can

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trade for Jimmy Butler and no, we're gonna keep him.

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just look the cost the heat. They're getting like a

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lot of short term money here, and you're not getting

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a blue chip prospect, You're just getting a first round pick.

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sticking point, and that like gets a little weird, like

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be included in this? Do they have any interest in

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the deal you can talk about the merits of the

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Bulls and the Pistons through this. I would trade I've

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said this on the podcast, Jade and Ivy for Jade

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and Ivy and salary for Zach Lavine. I would just

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do it if I'm Detroit and if you're the Bulls

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to get off that money while getting worse, and then

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you get a flyer on Jade and Ivy and Daniel Gafford,

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like if you think that Vooch isn't gonna be long

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for there reuniting with Daniel gasps eff like this deal

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next year. So I think it's pretty easy to justify

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Speaker 2: The heat would be the sticking point.

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enough first round equity? I don't know what type of leverage,

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like who is theoretically of the teams that have been

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made you insanely valuable this season. And the other thing

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here too is you're really obliterating the size on your

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front front line by trading away Maxi Kleiba and Daniel Gafford.

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or Kliba staying and you're using Dui Powell salary to

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get out of there, and then there's an Olivia Max's

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prosper But that would be even more complicated than this.

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This was more to show everybody that the Mass can

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trade for Jimmy Butler without having to include a PJ.

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Washington or a Kyrie Irving, let alone a Luka Dancic.

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But that's a tough sell for me if I'm Dallas,

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and by the way, you're not giving up too much.

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You're giving up a large part of your rotation. Plus

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the first round equity is just whatever. So you're giving

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up that one first round pick, and if the Heat

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are going to accept that, I think you can deal

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with all.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: There's probably there is a downgrade in spacing when you're

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getting rid of Klay Thompson, even Maxi Kliba and then

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going to Jimmy Butler, But just the talent upgrade there

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itself is so huge, and so I think in a vacuum,

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when you're looking at what the mass are giving up,

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which is a lot of players who were useful to

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them and a first round pick, it's I think it's reasonable.

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I just can't get there if I'm Dallas, because if

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you want to keep the bulk of your core intact,

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it is just impossible without consolidating.

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Speaker 2: Like even if you throw PJ.

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but then you're losing one of your most valuable role

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players and defenders that you have right now, and just

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to spare keeping to like another true center, I might

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even if you're gonna trade for Jimmy Butler, I think

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I'd probably prefer this route.

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Speaker 2: Figure out a way to, you know, go get another center.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you signed Bismock Biumbo off the scrap heap there

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and you can play PJ Washington even more in the middle.

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this is the direction that I would favor. It's just

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a lot for the Mavericks and to have that kind

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of seismic upheaval in the middle of the year, it's

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always tough, but to do so when again at full strength,

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you're one of the two best teams in the Western Conference.

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I know Memphis and Houston are in front of them

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and the standings. As we talk about this.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it becomes more palatable.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, if Luka Nancis is going to miss time,

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but you could also argue that the depth there becomes

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incredibly important. Point being though, if they want to like

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this isn't a situation that needs to cost them Derek

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Lively or Kyrie Irving or PJ Washington. It would be

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a matter of what is Miami's asking price here, and

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I think this offer.

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Speaker 2: Could be beaten.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how of the teams that are

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on Jimmy Butler's list. I really only think there's like

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one of them that might be inclined to say, well,

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we're definitely gonna come over the top and get this.

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Golden State Warriors, they have the Demavericks deal was the

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only one that I'm really like gonna super specifically outlay

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because they were in a complicated situation. The Dubs, to me,

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of all the teams on the list, make the most

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sense when you're looking at do they have the incentive

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and the motivation to go get Jimmy Butler, the plausibility

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behind them building a package that Miami would accept, and

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then Jimmy Butler wanting to go there. They're on his list.

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You have Jonathan Minga, you have Brandon Perjemski. Moses Moody

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can still be moved even though he's poison pilled. That's

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still pretty easy contract to flip. You have Andrew Wiggins

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as the salary anchor, that just that essentially has to happen.

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I mean, you could get there, I think without including

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Andrew Wiggins, but it's trading literally everybody that's not Draymond

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Green And' Steph and literally is an over exaggeration, but

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if Golden State really is determined to make the most

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of what remains of the Steph window, this is probably

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the most interesting landing spot to me.

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Speaker 2: And it's tough giving up.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins, but you can kind of still do so

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because Jimmy Butler's a wing himself without obliterating your your

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wing depth there. And so yes, it's gonna cost you,

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like other money is like cavat Ludi going out is

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Gary Payton the second going out. If you're making this

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deal with the Buzzer, Dennis Shrewder could technically be going

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out there. I think if the net cost is a

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first like they have three trainable first round picks, the

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cleanest structure would be twenty five twenty seven, and then

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we're it would have to be twenty five and twenty

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seven or twenty six and twenty eight, and then you

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trade the twenty twenty thirty pick that you owe.

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Speaker 2: Technically to Washington.

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Speaker 1: But if you're the Heat that's acquiring this pick, that

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Washington only gets that first rounder if it falls between

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twenty one and thirty. So if you're the Heat looking

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at the long term future of the Warriors six years,

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five years down the line, and you're saying, we get

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their first round pick in two thousand and thirty. If

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it lands in the top twenty, you're banking on them

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not being essentially a top ten team in the NBA

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at that point. I think that's a reasonable gamble to make.

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If it cost the Warriors two first round picks and

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a kid, that'll throw kamingera pods in there, and then Wiggins.

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You know, I don't know why, it's just because Jimmy

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Butler's on the older end. Ideally, if you're giving up Wiggins,

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what you are, it'd be Wiggins, a kid, and a

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first And so is it like a twenty twenty seven first.

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It's not going to be this year's first.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if you.

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Speaker 1: View it as well, like how valuable is this year's first?

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The Matt I'm walking away if I'm the Warriors. If

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it's more than two first Wiggins and a kid.

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Speaker 2: I just don't what are you? I'm not I'm not a.

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Speaker 1: Big believer in what we need to worry about what

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we are after step Steph and Draymond retire, But more so, Steph,

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you need to leave yourself with something, and it's not

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like you're getting someone in the heart of their prime here.

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It'd be different if it's Anthony Davis, who's age thirty one,

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it's a completely different beast. When it's Jimmy Butler, who

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is age thirty five. So if it's a younger star

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that they're going after, I think that's when you can

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talk yourself into like trading more. Nobody's aside from Steph.

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If Miami watched Draymond, I'm considering it. I picked him

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when we did our awards ballots. I think I had

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him third.

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Speaker 2: In defensive player. I don't think it was second.

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Speaker 1: He is not, and the Warriors defense has not just

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looked the same basically ever since we recorded that. So

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that's gonna look like a because Grant didn't even have

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him in his top three. That'll look like a mega

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miss on my end. But for Golden State, I actually

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liked the fit. You would appreciate if Jimmy Butler had

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more of a higher volume jump shooting game, but his

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ability to get to the foul line, the pressure he

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puts on the basket, his value as a playmaker, his

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value at the defensive end, and just the archetype of

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player he is it makes it easier for you to

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give up I'll say Andrew Wiggins and Jonathan Kminga in

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the same trade and not feel the ramifications of that

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positional or archetypal scarcity. And I think I don't think

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Cominga is a wing anyway, so that's a different story here.

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I'm probably making the move though. If it's two first

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plus Wiggins and a kid, that's where it really gets.

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It gets tough for me. But if you're holding on

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to like if it's twenty five and twenty seven, so

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you're kind of front loading this deal plus Kaminga plus

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Wiggins and then there'll be other money to fill it in,

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I'd probably still do it because then you still have

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control over like your picks post twenty twenty seven. And

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that's where this could get is that the balance for

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both sides to me is two first Wiggins and a kid,

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and you're just you're not getting any of those long

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term first rounders. And if you're Miami, I mean you

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owe your twenty twenty seven pick to Charlotte. Technically elsewhere

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having a Warriors pick in that year that could be

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like that could hold value. They're the team that I

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think makes the sense we're having this discussion over the

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off season. Maybe it's a different story, but of the

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teams that are on the list, I think Golden State

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by far and away makes the most sense. I just

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don't know how motivated they are to make that deal

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given their most recent slide. And you could take the

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Dnis Shruder deal one of two ways. I argued it

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was good that they acted early, and I still do

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believe that on what should theoretically be one of their

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bigger needs. But you could also view it through the

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lens of, oh, this is they're not trying to make

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the home run swing. Otherwise they would have waited because yes,

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Dennis Shooter can be aggregated again, but it's not until

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basically right before the trade deadline. So maybe there's like

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a happy medium in between there. Who knows, I questioned

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though Golden State's front office, and I did say this

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at the time of the trade. I think it was

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probably a good indicator of how invested they are in

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the current timeline that they got Dennis Shruter, But I

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don't know if they're so invested that they're prepared to

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go after someone like.

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Speaker 2: A Jimmy Butler.

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Speaker 1: The next team up I think will be I don't

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want to say everyone's favorite or most likely destination, but

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when you're talking about this on TV or maybe a

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national podcast, this isn't as awesome as the hard one

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Knox NBA podcast.

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Speaker 2: This is one example.

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Speaker 1: Everyone probably gravitates towards Houston, which is just built to

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make a consolidation trade. They're already they can't play all

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the guys that were already seeing it. So you have

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all these young guys and A'man Thompson, Reed Shepherd, Cam Whitmore,

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Jabbari Smith, Ju and your Atari Easton, al Pertnshane Goud

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and Jalen Green are trade eligible, but the deal becomes

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a lot more complicated because of their poison pills. It

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would be more straightforward. I think if you wanted to

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go after Jimmy Butler, if it was something that happened

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over the offseason as a sign and trade or an

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opted in trade, and you're able to use Jayalen Green

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as the primary salary anchor, still you can move one

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of those guys.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: You can also match salaries without using those guys now,

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because you have Fred VanVleet, you have Dylan Brooks, you

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have those other they're expiring contracts where they have the

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non guarantees on the back end. Looking at Jock Landell,

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you have Jeff Green, Jayshawn Taates money. Those are all

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just sort of middle of the rung where you can

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ensure or Miami doesn't have to take back any bad contracts.

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One Houston doesn't have a single bad contract on its books.

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Jalen Green's is probably the worst deal on the books,

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and that's at least short term enough to where it's

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not a toxic contract. You would say we don't. There's

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a bunch of different permutations here. I think in a

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Jimmy Butler trade negotiation, if the Rockets want to do it,

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I'm not giving up Reed Shepherd. I'm not giving up

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Aman Thompson. I probably wouldn't want to give up Tarry Easton.

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But there could be some redundancy there. It's I'm saying, hey,

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we'll get to the money. And maybe that's Fred Vanvliet.

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Maybe it's Dylan Brooks. Plus you know Jabari Smith, and

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there is Cam Whitmore, and there you have Jock Landiel,

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Jeff Green. You're expanding it to three and four teams

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so that they could make some of the roster spot

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math a little bit easier to work out, and then

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I'm building it around picks. They can trade up to

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four first round picks they have I think nine over

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the next seven years. But because of their own draft

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obligations you're really looking at they can promise four first

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rounders right now, two first rounders and a kid plus

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money like and I would say a non pro can

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argue all these kids are primary kids. I love Jabari

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Smith junior. That's just not somebody I'm throwing in. I

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would if I'm Houston and I'm looking at it, I'm

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going the route of money, no kids, and picks, and

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that's what I'm offering the heat. And if you want

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a kid like maybe Cam Whitmore at this point, just

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because you question you question his viability with this team

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long term even then, and I might be just romanticizing

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the unknown here. The Rockets are good already, and Jimmy

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Butler simultaneously addresses one of their bigger knees with out

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without doing so. Their their half court offense, first chance,

476
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,160
your first chance offense, however you want to frame it,

477
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,000
It's still mediocre at best. But I do think that

478
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:44,079
if you're gonna go for someone who can help you there,

479
00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:47,880
It's probably better that they're more of a floor spacer,

480
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,319
just because eventually you are. I mean, you have Alprinch

481
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,319
and goun for one, but eventually you are going to

482
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,960
want to expand. I would think the type of usage

483
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,559
you're getting out of Aman Thompson and Jimmy Butler, if

484
00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:00,920
you're trying to keep him around long term, you could

485
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,359
make it work. But are you optimizing your roster with

486
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,160
Jimmy Butler or the supporting cast? Are they being or

487
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,119
your most important kids are they being optimized through the

488
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,880
acquisition of Jimmy Butler. You can make a case that

489
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,960
they won't be, or that some of them won't be,

490
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,720
and that's why you don't empty.

491
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 2: The stock play on now.

492
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 1: It's also kind of the mind, okay, Like you have

493
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,400
one of the best point differentials in the league against

494
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,559
top ten teams and you're contending for a top two

495
00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:28,839
spot in the Western Conference. Yes, experience matters. Yes, we

496
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,400
need to see what their offense looks like in.

497
00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 2: The playoff setting.

498
00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: Get there, get the information, leave and then make adjustments.

499
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,319
So I'm not trading for Jimmy Butler. I from Houston

500
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,920
there's a shorter list of names that I think, Okay,

501
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,640
I'd roll the dice and I'd make the move now.

502
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,160
If it's a darn fox, if it's a Lamello ball,

503
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,160
just to name two, I'm looking at that and saying, okay,

504
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,279
I think they are a good enough fit. And you

505
00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:54,039
look at their age makes it easier certainly that I

506
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,839
will act now. But with Jimmy Butler, it helps you

507
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,920
in negotiations because Miami doesn't have a ton of lever,

508
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,880
and you could argue maybe Jimmy Butler doesn't have a

509
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,200
ton himself. I do think he is more than Miami

510
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,400
in this situation. So if the cost is just that

511
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:11,279
appealing to where it's money picks and like a kid

512
00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:14,440
of like of Houston choosing, let's say, maybe maybe Houston

513
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:15,960
Watson to be a reach sheepherd for all I know

514
00:23:16,039 --> 00:23:19,359
they don't, but I'm just saying consider it. I just

515
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,079
I don't think Houston's gonna win the title as currently constructed.

516
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,920
That's okay where they're at in their timeline without making

517
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,759
this move. And look, they're not gonna probably win the

518
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:30,839
title if they acquire Jimmy Butler anyway, even if you

519
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,880
think he's an ideal fit, which, look, there's a case

520
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,279
to be made, and if if the cost is just

521
00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:40,400
can't miss, then we talk. But like these mid season acquisitions,

522
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,359
they almost always unless you're talking about one of the

523
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,640
most scalable players in the NBA offensively, which I do

524
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,359
think requires a level a skill from beyond the arc

525
00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:53,000
or at least as a jump shooter away from the ball,

526
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,279
that Jimmy Butler just does not have. It takes time

527
00:23:56,599 --> 00:23:59,200
to hash out, and so you're almost making a trade

528
00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:03,720
mid season with your eye toward future seasons. That's tough

529
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,119
to do when you're one this good, it's even as

530
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,759
Houston is. It's too even harder to do when your

531
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:13,000
timeline with Jimmy Butler isn't really open ended anyway, Like,

532
00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:15,240
how many more years can you count on Jimmy Butler

533
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,640
being even at all star level. Let's say, which I

534
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,559
think is just reasonable, the rest of this year, next year,

535
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,480
then it's probably just ify after that. Like if you

536
00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:28,599
want to say this season and two more, I'll allow it.

537
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,559
I mean, can I disallow it? If I can, I'm

538
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:34,599
probably gonna hit that Betle button. But you can't, like

539
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:37,160
you can't even guarantee that, which is the problem.

540
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:38,039
Speaker 2: So I don't love.

541
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: It'd be different if Houston was just sort of twiddling

542
00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:44,240
their thumbs and they're hovering in no man's land.

543
00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: But they've been a good team this year. They're not

544
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,039
a finished product.

545
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't view them as a Tier one title contender,

546
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,200
and I don't think they're Tier two just because I

547
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,319
think Okac and Cleveland and Boston might even just stand

548
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,319
alone in Tier one, or maybe it's just Boston and

549
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,640
Okay see alone and Tier one. But to be a

550
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,000
Tier three at worst title contender, to be not just

551
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,160
in the discussion with the Phoenix Suns, the Denver Nuggets,

552
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,039
the Minnesota Timberwolves, but to be in front of those

553
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:15,799
teams like that's a big deal without having made any

554
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:17,240
wholesale changes.

555
00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: So I don't I'm.

556
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: Not opposed to it if I'm Houston, but I would

557
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,119
bet against it. And if I was running Houston. No,

558
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,640
I'm not making a Jimmy Butler trade this season. The

559
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,519
next team up, the Phoenix Suns. They're another team where

560
00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:32,319
it's just we should go through the trade framework because

561
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,240
there's only like you're trading Bradley Beal and you're twenty

562
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:38,640
thirty one. First, there's no negotiating. You give the Heat

563
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,319
everything that you have, which is that deal would look

564
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,440
like the one that I mocked up. You have Jimmy

565
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:45,920
Butler going to the Suns, the Heat apt Bradley Beal.

566
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,160
The Sons is twenty thirty one first, the Sons is

567
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,759
twenty thirty one second, and then two more seconds via

568
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:52,720
the Nuggets that the Sun zone. I think they're twenty

569
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,000
six and twenty thirty one. You also do need to

570
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:58,599
send out another player. Letsen alt Birks to the Sixers there.

571
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,359
He should have no problem with this. They're getting Jimmy

572
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,319
Butler out of the Eastern Conference and they're just kind

573
00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:04,519
of bolstering their guard depth. You can take him into

574
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:06,720
the minimum exception doesn't need to be the Sixers you

575
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,240
want to send him to Detroit, It could be It

576
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:12,160
could basically be any team. It's easier if they have

577
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,359
an open roster spot to do it, and I don't

578
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,240
think you're ideally eyeing a team that wouldn't ask for

579
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:20,880
compensation for taking on Alec Brioks.

580
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:21,759
Speaker 2: That's the deal.

581
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,279
Speaker 1: But Beal's owed one hundred and ten million dollars over

582
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:26,240
the next two seasons and he has a no trade class.

583
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,960
You need to get him to wave it, and I

584
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,960
think he might. I know that people have said that

585
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:31,519
he won't.

586
00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: I think he might.

587
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:35,319
Speaker 1: I think the bigger hurdle is probably convincing the Heat

588
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,400
to accept this. You're not getting any sort of immediate return,

589
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,839
You're you're basically looking at this as well, we're really

590
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,200
short in the shit out of Phoenix's future. And look,

591
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,400
that's a smart bet to make because they're getting older

592
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:50,920
with this trade, and it's just you look at a

593
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,279
team built around all of a sudden, Kevin Drant, Devin Booker,

594
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,720
Jimmy Butler and no picks. What are they going to

595
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:01,319
be in twenty and thirty one? I would arguably like

596
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,079
maybe they've recoued some value and maybe even some of

597
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:06,240
their own picks via Houston if they traded Devin Booker

598
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:09,039
by that point. It's a good bet to make. But

599
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,680
you have to value Bradley Beal through a prism level.

600
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,960
We're still trying to be competitive because we don't we're

601
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,799
not flush with our own picks. We're not flushed with

602
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:19,559
all these future picks either. After Jimmy Butler trade, we

603
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,200
think Beal can help us at least be mediocre. Maybe

604
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,880
he's even better in Miami and healthier in Miami than

605
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,519
he's been in Phoenix, and we're just sort of treading

606
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:29,319
water there and we don't think the drop off will

607
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,839
be that big. Going from Jimmy Butler to Bradley Beal,

608
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,960
that's quite the leap to make, and I don't think that.

609
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:38,759
I mean, Butler's giving you a list where I think

610
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:42,920
there's probably of the four, I'm gonna say that the

611
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,319
only team that feels like it's an absolute no go

612
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,240
for it's probably between Houston and Dallas, and it might

613
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,799
be both of them. Dallas feels like more of the

614
00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:53,279
no go. We need to see what ends up going

615
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,039
on with Luka Doncics, but even then, it's what's got

616
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,279
them here is just like all of a sudden, they're

617
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:01,960
more dynamic and deeper on all and what's happening going

618
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:07,480
from that package we outlaid to Jimmy Butler. Maybe you're

619
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:10,279
just as dynamic on offense, but your depth certainly isn't there,

620
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:12,680
and you're smaller. Because part of the appeal of Dallas

621
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:16,359
is just they're fucking huge, and Jimmy Butler's not small

622
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,000
but when you're trading two bigs that are in your rotation,

623
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,200
when they're healthy, on top of Klay Thompson, on top

624
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,559
of Nachie Marshall, who has great size, it's I would

625
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:28,000
say Dallas is probably more of a non starter than Houston,

626
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:31,079
just because there's always the chance that if Houston doesn't

627
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,200
have to give up any of their youngsters and it's

628
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,839
maybe it's just picks in salary, that they could probably

629
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,759
talk themselves into it. So I don't think that Jimmy Butler,

630
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:43,440
what I'm saying is giving you a list that is

631
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,240
restrictive enough to the point where he's basically saying it's

632
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:49,559
Phoenix or bust. And if he eventually comes out and

633
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:52,240
says that, or if Golden State and Houston and Dallas,

634
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,400
I'll say, WHOA, no way, fuck this, We're not doing it.

635
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,279
Maybe you just look at this and say, okay, we'll

636
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:00,279
take it. Like, what is I think you have to

637
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:01,519
look at it this way?

638
00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: What is this really.

639
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: Damaging about Miami's plans moving forward? You could say that

640
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,799
beal contract is toxic if you get him to also

641
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,400
waive his no trade, like just retract his no trade clause.

642
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,160
In general's part of this trade. It's probably an easier sell.

643
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,400
But if you're the Heat, you become bad enough, maybe

644
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,799
Beal will be more flexible with his no trade clause

645
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:21,359
because they'll just want to be on a good team

646
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:23,599
at that point. I don't know, it's a big bet

647
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,079
to make and to walk away with nothing of real immediacy.

648
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,400
I mean, it'd be really funny if there is a

649
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,279
team in the East that would take on Alc Burks

650
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,799
and then maybe just send the Heat like a good second,

651
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,240
because they're saying, well, like this gets Jimmy Butler out

652
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,680
of the East, and so we're not worried about Miami

653
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,599
being good necessarily with him, but what if they did

654
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,119
trade him somewhere on the Eastern Conference? That could be

655
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,920
good notably though no Eastern Conference team makes his list.

656
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,440
So and you go through that, and we will because

657
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,920
we're gonna go through dark horses, and it's well, what

658
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,720
team is coming over the top there? I just don't

659
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,920
I don't think some people have laughed this scenario off

660
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:01,240
more than I think they should.

661
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,559
Speaker 2: I give it some merit.

662
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,279
Speaker 1: I do think there will ultimately be more attractive offers

663
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,240
out there if it was Phoenix or bust for Jimmy

664
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,880
and maybe again, maybe he gets to that point. It's

665
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,759
probably an easier sell or what we haven't mentioned what

666
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,039
Phoenix could do. Is there a way that you can

667
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,519
use Grayson Allen is the name probably that gets you

668
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,119
any first round equity. I don't see a team there

669
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,559
that's going to give you a first round pick for

670
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,000
just any of the Suns' standalone value players. I would

671
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,000
assume Grace and Allen still comes the closest.

672
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: I don't.

673
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:39,039
Speaker 1: I can't see it happening with Royce O'Neill. You're definitely

674
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,880
not getting one for Yusef Nurkic. I don't think anyone

675
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,880
if they just said, hey, we'll trade ohso Igadaro or

676
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,039
Ryan Done to someone for a first maybe that's the

677
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,440
mechanics by which you get it done. Are you willing

678
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,960
to do that if someone was gonna give you a

679
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,200
first for Ryan Done? I don't know that it's gonna

680
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,400
you drafted Ryan Done at number twenty eight. The cost

681
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,440
control there and him being more of a known commandie

682
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,480
than maybe of a future pick. Could there be someone

683
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,640
that looks at that and says, yeah, okay, hey we'll

684
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,759
do that. That would be interesting. So if you're somehow

685
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:13,519
getting a twenty twenty five first round pick for Ryan Done,

686
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,200
does that and it's it's not going to be a

687
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,400
good first round pick. But as Miami, are you all

688
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,319
of a sudden just because he's because Phoenix can't aggregate salaries,

689
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,440
so it can't be Ryan Dunn and Bradley Beal.

690
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: I just don't.

691
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what team is giving you the first

692
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:33,119
for Ryan Done. It's just so I don't think you're

693
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:34,559
gonna get one from Indiana for it.

694
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,599
Speaker 2: It has to be a team that.

695
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: Is somewhat good.

696
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,799
Speaker 2: I like, that's that's really interesting.

697
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,079
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's maybe Okay, would Dallas do

698
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,400
I mean, then they're facilitating Jimmy Butler, Like, oh, we'll

699
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,240
give you our twenty twenty five pick for a flyer.

700
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm done. You could just defend his ass off.

701
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: But then it's, oh, we just helped Like that's also

702
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,279
the Cup like a thing of all this is, oh, okay,

703
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,759
that just helped Phoenix get Jimmy Butler. Why would we

704
00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:00,160
do that as Dallas specifically, if you're a team the

705
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,920
West that doesn't view Phoenix as a rival, I guess

706
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,799
if you're so good.

707
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: If your doubts she's like, oh Phoenix with.

708
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler or whatever, like, they'll just be they'll be

709
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,559
justice fragile, they'll be just as shallow.

710
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:12,079
Speaker 2: This is fine, but if you're a.

711
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Team that maybe doesn't view yourself on Jimmy Butler, like

712
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,160
that's when you look at it. But now you're removing

713
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,799
a lot of just the good teams from the West

714
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,359
from the equation, and I just I mean, look at

715
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,680
it if you're I mean, maybe the Knicks would give

716
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,839
you the their Washington first for Ryan Dunn, but that's

717
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,359
not a guaranteed first, super complicated.

718
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: I mean, would Boston do it? Like they just have

719
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:35,079
some of.

720
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,799
Speaker 1: These other first floating around it. So yeah, we'll get

721
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,880
another cost controlled wing here. We might end up trading

722
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,160
Jalen Brown or maybe at Drew Allide at some point anyway,

723
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:44,359
cut the bill is that like could that be? And

724
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,599
then Boston says, okay, hey, we're getting Jimmy Butler out

725
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:46,920
of the East.

726
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: We don't care.

727
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: We don't view anyone as our peers anyway. That is interesting.

728
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,480
I don't know if it's I mean, in Boston, you

729
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:56,920
can find somewhere to send Jayden Springer, like, just they

730
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,920
can't be Phoenix, but you can find somewhere to shape

731
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:03,599
Trey Jayden's make that happen. Boston would be so they

732
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,880
would trade their first round pick this year, which is

733
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,720
gonna be number twenty nine, So like number twenty nine,

734
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:13,160
twenty eight, twenty seven. Are you saying, okay, bottom five

735
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,640
first round pick for Ryan Done? I mean Phoenix, just

736
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:18,640
you're if you're Phoenix.

737
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: You're not doing that in a vacuum.

738
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,599
Speaker 1: You're doing it because you can partner that first and

739
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,400
maybe are you also getting Boston has seconds like that

740
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,680
would be that might be the most compelling case for Phoenix.

741
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,119
And then could you get other stuff for Grayson Allen

742
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:37,119
or Royce? Maybe seconds like that is probably the way

743
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,480
because I think you need something immediate to send Miami.

744
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:43,920
So if you're getting a twenty twenty five first, Boston

745
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,519
could also trade a twenty twenty six first if they

746
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:48,319
want to protect the hell out of it. It's like,

747
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:50,799
would you do that for Ryan Done? Maybe maybe some

748
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:52,960
people don't think he's shown enough, but as a flyer

749
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:56,680
and you're Boston and you're going to give up, let's

750
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,000
just be if the season ended today, you're giving up

751
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,880
up the number twenty eight pick, So let's just pencil

752
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,880
it in there. If anything, it might be worse because

753
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,279
maybe they finished with a better record than Cleveland or

754
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:11,880
Oklahoma City number twenty eight and Bradley Beal on the

755
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,199
twenty thirty one Sons pick in all the seconds for

756
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,000
Jimmy bul I just that I do think that's probably

757
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,840
the best path for Phoenix to Can we trade someone

758
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,440
else that doesn't necessarily have to be Ryan Dunn to

759
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,719
get a more immediate pick that we can send Miami,

760
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,760
And that's the way that your trade offer becomes more intriguing.

761
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,639
Those are the teams on Jimmy Butler's list. There will

762
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:33,760
be some dark horses.

763
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: Someone will emerge.

764
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know who, but I think

765
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,880
there are a bunch of teams that are worth talking about.

766
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:43,239
I think we'll begin with Let's begin with the Spurs.

767
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,239
I think that they're probably most commonly mentioned as a

768
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,599
dark horse. I don't hate it, like there's there's a

769
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,840
value just having these steadying, really good veterans on the

770
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,719
team around Victor Wembayama, around Devin Vessel, Steph Castle up

771
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,840
and it can clearly help I just I don't hate

772
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,639
his fit in San Antonio. He gives you value at

773
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,159
both ends of the floor. I would just prefer someone

774
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,280
who either needs to be on the ball even less

775
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,000
than a Jimmy Butler, or is just a better floor

776
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:13,360
space er away from it than Jimmy Butler, because there's

777
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,039
going to come a time where you want to expand

778
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,239
Steph Castle's role. And I know Victor Wemenyam accounts as

779
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,639
a floor spacer, but like when you have Victor Wemanyama,

780
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,280
it would be cool if you could hit the five

781
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,599
out button more frequently than the Spurs can, And that's

782
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:28,840
to say at all, which they really just can't and

783
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,039
they could, but it's more of a stretch to get there, man,

784
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,639
though they have contracts to make it happen. You don't

785
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,840
have to give up Steph Castle or Devin Vessel and

786
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,800
you get to keep Wemby clearly, like if you're giving

787
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,679
up enough first round picks to where Zach Collins is

788
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,840
out of there as well, you have Harrison Barge with

789
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,679
Kelden Johnson too, I don't hate it.

790
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,159
Speaker 2: And if we're talking.

791
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: Two first round picks, if it's one first round pick,

792
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,719
if it's just you get Atlanta's twenty twenty seven pick

793
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,719
and we're done, or is it do you want that

794
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,119
Bulls pick and we're done? And addition to maybe you're doing,

795
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,519
you're giving some flyers on is it a Blake Wesley.

796
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,440
I don't know how much interest that he would have

797
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,199
in him, but if that's the structure, you might just

798
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,760
you might as well just from a sheer value play. Okay,

799
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,280
it costs us one future first round pick in salary.

800
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,480
You're not necessarily married to Keldon Johnson or Harrison Barnes.

801
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:21,000
It's certainly not Zach Collins. If it's too it's got

802
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,360
to be like somewhat weak of a second one to

803
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,280
where you're protecting the hell out of it. But if

804
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,320
you're giving up one Hawks pick and salary and an

805
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,599
additional first I fit protected first, I think it's worth considering.

806
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:40,159
From san Antonio's end, I just don't think the fit

807
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:43,119
is seamless enough to say, hey, go do this now.

808
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,599
And it's also look, it's a weird time to do

809
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,719
it now. You need to know that Jimmy Butler's staying.

810
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,480
Of course, you're eleventh in the West and so you're

811
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:53,599
hovering around five hundred. Do you view Jimmy Butler as

812
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,119
the impetus that is gonna because you're not really making

813
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:57,760
that trade just for a crack at the play in.

814
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,400
It's Hey, we want to bridge the gap, which is

815
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,480
only we're two losses behind sixth place. So when we

816
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,239
get Jimmy Butler, you're saying, we're going to be excuse me,

817
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,559
we're going to be better than the Warriors, the Timberwolves,

818
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:11,320
the Suns, the Clippers, and the Lakers, just that minimum,

819
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,280
Like those are the teams in front of you right now.

820
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,840
And if you also think, oh, we'll be better than

821
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,800
Denver and maybe we don't necessarily trust Memphis for some

822
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,440
reason or whatever. I think the Spurs can talk themselves

823
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,800
into it. It would be cost dependent for sure. Other teams,

824
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,519
the Clippers probably deserve just like a little bit of

825
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,760
an honorable mention here Kawhi for Jimmy Butler and Alec Burks.

826
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,480
That just works straight up. I'd be curious like why,

827
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,000
and you're not. I'm not if I'm the Clipper, I'm

828
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,519
not giving up any first roun equity for it. Because

829
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,000
Qui Leonard is the better player when he's healthy, is

830
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:41,960
never healthy. And if you're Miami, that's a lot to

831
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:44,559
take on when you're looking at Kuhi's future salary. If

832
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:46,840
you're the Clippers, you're saying, well, maybe we're getting an

833
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,719
immediate downgrade and we're getting older. When we're looking at

834
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,400
both these players are available. Both these players are not

835
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,800
available right now, like Kawhi Leonard has not been available.

836
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,199
Speaker 2: So I think the Clippers could say.

837
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,159
Speaker 1: Well, now we know this doesn't work out with Butler,

838
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:04,239
he's a short term contract and he's probably we know

839
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,920
he's not gonna be on as long as an extension

840
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,400
as Kawhi Leonard. After this, I think there would be

841
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,159
some I think there would be truth serum. You give

842
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:13,599
their front office truth serum. They might even say that

843
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,639
they want to do this deal. I just Miami would

844
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:17,880
have to really think that we're gon Kawhi he's gonna

845
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,920
come back and and he can only play in fifty

846
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,280
eight games this season with him and Bam and Tyler

847
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,039
Hero like, we're gonna make it happen. It just it works.

848
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:31,360
It won't happen, but it works. Sacramento. I just that's

849
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,400
another team where it's right I'd like to see. I

850
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,320
think Jimmy Butler certainly fits the defensive archetype that they

851
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,159
can need, and you are going to have to give

852
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,599
up DeMar de Rosen and or Malik Monk in that deal.

853
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,679
I'm assuming it'd be one of Damar and Kevin Herder,

854
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,000
and then you figure out the rest of the money

855
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,840
and pick compensation not giving up Keegan Murray. If you

856
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,960
get to keep Keegan Murray and you have Daron Fox

857
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,440
and Simonis and you're bringing in Butler, and you kind

858
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,639
of just know that that's your core. I don't hate it,

859
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,480
but I would like to see again.

860
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,119
Speaker 2: Better shooting on the offensive end now.

861
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:05,679
Speaker 1: And you're going to invariably downgrade your spacing at this

862
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,519
because even if you're only giving a one of Monk

863
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,360
or Herder, that's going to be a downgrade for your spacing.

864
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,719
And I know people don't want to see the Kings

865
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,480
who are in twelfth place rush into anything massive.

866
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's Devin Carter in a pick, I'll

867
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:20,519
probably do it it.

868
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,599
Speaker 1: Just honestly, I'm probably doing And what is the you know,

869
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:27,519
Greg Wissinger posted this on Twitter or Blue Sky. I

870
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:29,719
think it was Blue Sky, and he was spot on

871
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,760
with it because we got a lot of comments on

872
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,559
the Little kingspiel that I did a few days ago

873
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,679
of that the Kings just need to rebuild, and Greg

874
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,079
Wissinger's point of the King's Herald, they do fantastic work.

875
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:41,920
He does great work, love one of the best files

876
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,880
just on NBA Twitter general. He's funny as hell. But

877
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,679
Greg had said basically to the effect of, so you

878
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,079
don't trust this front office to make the right moves

879
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:52,199
to maximize this roster or to win now, but you

880
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,599
trust them to strip it down and start over the

881
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:57,760
right way. If you're arguing for King's rebuild, I think

882
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,239
you also need to be arguing for a clean sweep

883
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,000
where it's new front office, which then means you're getting

884
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:06,960
a new head coach. If that's the path you want

885
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,840
the Kings to travel down, then fine. I still think

886
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,920
the team is good enough to salvage or to better optimize.

887
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,719
And I'm not training dearon Fox right now. If you

888
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,559
want to look at this as its title or bust,

889
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:22,320
that's how I follow the NBA, it's how I cover it,

890
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,119
that's how I root for teams. I think your opinion's legitimate,

891
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,400
but I don't think you're not gonna sell me on

892
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,639
the King certainly like a mid season.

893
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,599
Speaker 2: Pivot into a rebuild.

894
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: You're also not gonna sell me on maybe for a

895
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,599
specific player. I don't think they should be giving up

896
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:38,199
multiple first to try and maximize what's less of this season.

897
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:40,559
If it's Devin Carter and a first and the Heat, look,

898
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:42,599
the Heat might be interested into Martin Rosen where they

899
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:44,880
could say how much of an offensive drop off is

900
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,320
that for us? And Damar is still good, So we're

901
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,679
kind of getting Devin Carter and a pick, and but

902
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,000
Kevin Hurder would help them, e Leak Monk would help them.

903
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:55,320
I'm who would you prefer to. You probably want to

904
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,039
keep Malik Monk in that scenario to maximize who's like

905
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,559
an on ball type shooter, too up saying you want

906
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:03,119
to give up they were all ready like you're giving

907
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:04,800
you're bringing back another on ball creator.

908
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 2: But it's probably for the Kings that's better.

909
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,079
Speaker 1: As if the two main outgoing salaries are DeMar de

910
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,119
Rosen and Kevin Hurder, I think make the most sense.

911
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,440
Maybe you could talk me into Malik Monk, certainly not

912
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,840
over DeMar I mean having him the bonus and Jimmy

913
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:18,119
and Fox on the same team.

914
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: That's just forget about redundancy. That's overkilled.

915
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,679
Speaker 1: To me, I'm probably doing if I'm sackling up because

916
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:24,440
I don't think that's all right.

917
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:25,039
Speaker 2: You gave up.

918
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,199
Speaker 1: You have one pick that's oh to Atlanta this year,

919
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,440
which you're trying to make sure it conveys. Now you

920
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,639
have to give up a twenty twenty seven pick and

921
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,679
that's going to have to have language that Wollt's prided

922
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,239
on this pick conveying to Atlanta, so could stretch out

923
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,239
into twenty eight twenty nine. It's not nothing, and Jimmy

924
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,320
Butler's older, But do you believe in dearon Fox and

925
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,280
Bonus specifically and Keith Murray or not? And if you're

926
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,119
saying no, you never should have gotten to this point

927
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:52,480
in the first place of having Tomorta Rosen on your team,

928
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:55,800
of them just paying Malik Monk, So that's where would

929
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,360
be at with that. They also have like maybe for

930
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,159
some reason, maybe they want to keep Devin like on

931
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,000
Ellis if you don't think if you think he's gonna

932
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,880
play even less even though Kevin Herder and let's say

933
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,559
I'm just saying.

934
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: Kevin Herder and Damar are leaving.

935
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,639
Speaker 1: If you think somehow ke On els Is gonna play

936
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:11,920
even less with Jimmy Butler coming in. He's attractive as hell,

937
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,639
And I would just argue, I'm teams, I'm calling the

938
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:14,960
Kings about ke On Ellis.

939
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: I would give up a first round pick for ke

940
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:18,119
On Ellis.

941
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: I the salary is cheap, is as hell, and like

942
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,480
it's not going to be, I guess a great first

943
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:25,480
round pick, but I'm giving up more for ke On

944
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,960
Ellis and I am for like a Ryan, Like, yeah,

945
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,719
Boston would give up their first round pick for Kill,

946
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,559
That's not even a question. There's a question when it's

947
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,920
Ryan done. So they have a bunch of different permutations

948
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,599
and if everything is spending way longer on the Kings,

949
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,239
what isn't that the story of this season for us

950
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,960
on this podcast, putting way longer on the Kings than.

951
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: I thought I would.

952
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,639
Speaker 1: I'm doing it like I don't hate the Jimmy Butler

953
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:47,960
fit there. Now you need to know that because they

954
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,559
just have so much. They have optionality of trade packages,

955
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:53,800
which I think that people are also sort of underrating here.

956
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,679
You need to know he's staying and if he's not,

957
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,000
you didn't think og Or Pascal Siakam's gonna say, why

958
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,440
would Jimmy Butler be any different. He's at a point

959
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,360
where he just might be following the money so and

960
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,280
like the Kings will be good with him? Is the

961
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,880
other thing here too? I would just keep my eye.

962
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,000
And they've been mentioned him in the slightest. If Jimmy

963
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,960
Butler's want to expand his list, I think that's a

964
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,119
big part of this. If there wasn't a list and

965
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:15,440
this was just Jimmy Butler wants to be traded, maybe

966
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,159
they crop up. I don't have any other I look

967
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:21,519
at the Kings and the Spurs as the dark horses,

968
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,639
Whereas all right, like I not only can I talk

969
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:25,159
myself into this, not only can I make a case

970
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:27,559
for this, but I am gonna watch those teams. The

971
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:32,360
rest of these teams get a little interesting, Indiana just

972
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:35,920
they're not a team that's gonna pay a third star. However,

973
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,960
Jars Walker, Benn mcmathrin, they have future first that they

974
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,719
could trade. They have Miles Turner's expiring money, they have

975
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,599
the Obi topping contract. They can get there, and Jimmy

976
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:48,079
Butler makes a lot of sense on that.

977
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:49,199
Speaker 2: Team, even with his age.

978
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: Are you planning on paying him Siakam and Halibert and

979
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,119
moving forward. That is that opens up all sorts of

980
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:56,840
questions where it's well, they're eventually.

981
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: Gonna want to move off dam hard.

982
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,599
Speaker 1: Then hey, if I'm the Pacers, I'm only he's making

983
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:04,920
the call, and what's his interest in staying here long term?

984
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,480
And I think what helps about him being older is

985
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,800
that maybe you're not looking at him and saying, oh,

986
00:44:10,039 --> 00:44:13,320
this guy needs a max deal as part of his

987
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,159
next contract, where or you can float it for one

988
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,039
year if he's gonna pick up his player option to

989
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,599
make that fifty two point four number. But if you're

990
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:22,119
just kind of looking at this and saying, well, we're

991
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:24,920
worried that he wants his next deal to start at

992
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,239
max money, it's it's gonna be short term enough to

993
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,480
where I'm probably like, all right, like is that this

994
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:31,679
is a kind of the end of the world. But

995
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,440
you want to give up that much stuff for two

996
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:36,679
years worth of Jimmy Butler and having a you know,

997
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,159
a starting salary of what is it going to be

998
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:40,760
thirty five.

999
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,519
Speaker 2: Percent of the cap next year is like a mountain.

1000
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: So we're fifty four point one million would be his

1001
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,000
max it's only a little bit extra compared to what

1002
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,800
his player option is. If they won't do it, they

1003
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,880
should absolutely be in on.

1004
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: Like that's a call.

1005
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: You're making and saying, Okay, what's the what chance do

1006
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,960
we have of him wanting to stay year beyond this season?

1007
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,800
Because Haliburt and Siakam and Jimmy as just your baseline,

1008
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:06,760
you're giving.

1009
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: Up a lot of stuff to get.

1010
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: Like when we're talking about maybe even relative to the

1011
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,360
Kings or the Spurs, or when we were talking about

1012
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,760
the Rockets, this is more in line with Oh, the

1013
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,880
players were sending out like they're they're gonna just because

1014
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,880
we know Miles Turner were almost assuredly be involved in there.

1015
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,159
Speaker 2: And if he's not, I mean.

1016
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 1: You've step laddered, You've you've finessed the shit out of

1017
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,400
that trade package, and you've given up a bunch of

1018
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,920
first round picks and then all of you, maybe not

1019
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,440
a bunch, but you've given up first round picks and

1020
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:36,239
Toppin and Nie Smith and Bennet mcmather and Jared like

1021
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,920
how many teams are involved in that? But I'm what

1022
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,480
I'm saying is so either way, this is more comparable

1023
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,519
to the Warriors package or the Mavericks package that we

1024
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:49,440
were discussing. Because you're giving up I would guess probably

1025
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:53,320
two players at least that matter to your rotation right now.

1026
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: I'm still looking at.

1027
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: It, though, And if I thought, honestly, if I thought

1028
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,880
they had the guts to do it, I would put

1029
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,880
the Pacers.

1030
00:45:59,480 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: On this list.

1031
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: I just don't think different office has the guts, and

1032
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,280
I won't criticize them for it, because what is the

1033
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:07,559
you can't give up with the Pacers would need to

1034
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:09,840
give up and then have Jimmy Butler walk. I think

1035
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:12,880
what team would be a good example. I think if

1036
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,960
you're if you're the Spurs and you gave up in

1037
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,159
Atlanta's twenty twenty seven and then the rest is just

1038
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,800
it wasn't just fill er salary, but it was the

1039
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,440
Barns maybe a like a small like a protected first

1040
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,559
round pick, and then Jimmy Butler left.

1041
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 2: You probably say, hey, we tried.

1042
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: Even in the realm of the Kings and giving up

1043
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,599
that first and Devin Carter, let's just say, with that

1044
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,159
money of a Demartros and Kevin Hurder, you could probably say.

1045
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,559
Speaker 2: You can't and they won't.

1046
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: But it's not on like a cataclysmically bad level if

1047
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,519
you're Indie and you've given up Jarres Walker and Ben

1048
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,880
mcmathern and a first in addition to Miles Turner and

1049
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:54,440
then other stuff. So some combination of Turner, Mathrin, Walker

1050
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:57,480
and picks in addition to other stuff, which might include

1051
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,639
Aaronie Smith. Yeah, that would be a bad look. And

1052
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:02,159
that's just why I can't put them on this list.

1053
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,400
I've thought a lot about Atlanta. I kind of love

1054
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,440
Jimmy Butler there. He would beef up a defense that

1055
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,320
has overachieved this season. And I think that they have

1056
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,280
the contracts necessary and even the pick flexibility necessary. They

1057
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,559
do have picks headed to San Antonio, but twenty twenty

1058
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:21,280
six is a swap and this year's pick is headed

1059
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,320
to San Antonio. So maybe like that's a pick san

1060
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,639
Antonio could throw in as well. But you have twenty

1061
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:27,920
five and twenty seven going to San Antonio in twenty six,

1062
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,920
you don't have control over. You just put like a

1063
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:33,920
distant first round. You put the Lakers pick on the table,

1064
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,360
so they have Los Angeles' pick this year. And I'm

1065
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,679
my point being, you have the salary machinations to say

1066
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,159
we don't have to give up Zachary Resichet or Diyson

1067
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,039
Daniels as part of this deal, and we know they're

1068
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:48,760
not going to give up Jalen Johnson or Trey Yon,

1069
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:50,960
And so you get there with all right, does it

1070
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:54,559
make sense to use some combination of Capella and Hunter

1071
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,239
and Bogdanovich and a Kung Wu. Larry Nan Junior is expiring,

1072
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:00,519
they have a bunch of other keys would need to

1073
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:01,719
be roped in. I think there'd be a team that

1074
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,960
would just take on Larry and Junior if they have

1075
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,880
their mL available or they're sending out a smaller contract there.

1076
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 2: I think there are plenty of teams that would do

1077
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,000
something like that.

1078
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: Would you give up a second first round pich just

1079
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:15,280
Kobe Buffkin doesn't have a ton of standalone value right now,

1080
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,920
especially after the injury. That second first round pick you're

1081
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,920
giving up though, is in twenty twenty nine?

1082
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:21,599
Speaker 2: Is it?

1083
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,639
Speaker 1: Do we get there with swaps where oh, it's a

1084
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:26,920
twenty twenty eight swap plus the Lakers pick. I don't

1085
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,000
know if that's enough relative to like because the heat

1086
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:31,719
when you're looking at Capella or Hunter Bogdanovitch, maybe they

1087
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,000
really like a cong Wu and they would value him there.

1088
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:38,719
I'm making this deal without giving up reesa che or Daniels.

1089
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: That is, if I'm in landed. That's how I'm approaching this.

1090
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: And I just don't He's not gonna do a ton

1091
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,079
for your space, saying if you're sending out Hunter and Bogdanovich,

1092
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:50,320
you have to keep one of them, like you are

1093
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,320
maybe compromising your own floor balance. And Trey Young hasn't

1094
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,840
had their greatest shooting season. They're just in such a

1095
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,639
weird spot where he's older and they still have this

1096
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,559
number one pick. And Dyson Daniels, who's not even twenty

1097
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:04,159
two yet. They're all over the place, but they don't

1098
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,800
own their own picks. There's incentive to just say, we

1099
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,559
see kind of an opening here in the East. It

1100
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,280
feels like there's a power vacuum after for some reason

1101
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,119
Boston or in Cleveland. And I know a lot of

1102
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:16,159
people think that the Knicks have kind of filled it already.

1103
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,679
That's debatable. Orlando's injured, Milwaukee's old, the heat are disintegrating.

1104
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,000
Look at what's happened in Indiana. If you're Atlanta, there

1105
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:26,000
like there's an interesting window of opportunity here and you

1106
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:30,880
could probably convince yourself that, oh, hey, Jimmy Butler makes

1107
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,760
us the third or fourth best.

1108
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 2: Team in the Eastern Conference.

1109
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: That'd be a team I'd want them and the Pacers

1110
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:38,119
in my camp because I root for chaos, of I

1111
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:40,360
would love to see these teams go after Jimmy Butler.

1112
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,800
Two other teams worth mentioning Denver can get there. If

1113
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,800
it's Porter and Nausey and Shars or the salaries, and

1114
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,320
then it's or going to give you a swap in

1115
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,679
twenty six and then a twenty thirty one conditional first

1116
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,800
round unprotected pick. It's prided on your other obligations conveying.

1117
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,840
I just there need to be another team roped into

1118
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,960
that deal. So how are you compensating that team to

1119
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,079
take on Let's say Scharwich. Would Miami be willing to

1120
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:07,960
send out some type of second or something small to

1121
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:08,199
do that?

1122
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,079
Speaker 2: And if you can't, they.

1123
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: Can make their package a lot more attractive by including

1124
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,360
a youngster. And so maybe I wouldn't sleep on the Nuggets.

1125
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,679
If it's like, okay, Julian Strather that twenty thirty one

1126
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,159
pick and then Michael Porter Junior going to Miami, you

1127
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,679
certainly don't sleep on them. If you think it's like Peyton,

1128
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,760
it's not brown. If it is Peyton Watson going to Miami,

1129
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,159
that makes them more attractive. Just now, Okay, you have

1130
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:36,559
Jimmy Butler and Aaron Gordon weird fit, and you're worried

1131
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:42,239
about the tenability of your core, and you're replacing Michael

1132
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,280
Porter Junior who's making like he's making substantial money, but

1133
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,519
he's on the books next year for thirty eight point three.

1134
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,800
Jimmy Butler's probably making more than that, So you're increasing

1135
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,360
your payroll obligations while arguably making you know, I think

1136
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,239
Jimmy Butler probably checks more of the right boxes than

1137
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,840
a zach Lavine who's more of a one way player.

1138
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,320
But the functional perimeter shooting from zach Lavine, Jimmy Butler

1139
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,000
still helps you out in the Nikole Jokich list minutes,

1140
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:13,920
and he's probably more he's certainly more of an intuitive

1141
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,199
fit next to Jamal Murray. But you're making yourself more expensive,

1142
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,280
and the spacing with Jimmy Butler and Aaron Gordon on

1143
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,519
before could get really iffy. And we're worried about this

1144
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,960
team not taking enough threes as it is, even though

1145
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,280
their offensive efficiency can be through the roof.

1146
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 2: It's okay.

1147
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: Now your only high volume three point shooter on this team,

1148
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:35,480
but especially if you're getting rid of Strawther too is

1149
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,679
Jamal Murray, and I guess we have to throw Nakohl

1150
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,079
jokicch into that equation.

1151
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: At that stage.

1152
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: I however, if it's MPJ twenty thirty one in Strother

1153
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,280
and you're getting off of Naxi and Shards in the process,

1154
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:50,159
I mean.

1155
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm probably doing it. Am I not doing it?

1156
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,199
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what Denver because you have

1157
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,079
to pay Brown and Watson coming out, I mean gets

1158
00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,840
Jimmy Butler's short term enough to where it's okay, we're

1159
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,840
shrinking our window. But maybe we view this as okay

1160
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,599
after next seasons, when more wholesale decisions are coming together,

1161
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:08,960
but where we're gonna keep this core together as it

1162
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:12,639
currently constructed through next season. Anyway, let's just say throwing

1163
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,400
Jimmy Butler on there for you know, a few extra

1164
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,039
dollars even though it's more than that. Maybe it doesn't,

1165
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:20,079
but you're giving up your twenty thirty one pick in

1166
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:23,000
the process, and that's really the like there's a huge

1167
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,119
age gap there. We're talking Michael Porter Junior is not

1168
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:27,480
even twenty seven. Jimmy Butler's thirty five, so seven eight

1169
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:30,199
years there, it's not a no brainer. I don't think

1170
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:34,039
it's a package that would necessarily interest Miami, But if

1171
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,440
Peyton Watson's on the table, I'm probably walking away if

1172
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,320
I'm Denver. If you're Miami, that becomes more attractive. But

1173
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,480
Denver could do it, and they're kind of all over

1174
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,760
a place, and I don't know what to make of

1175
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,760
this team anymore, but I would MPJA twenty thirty one,

1176
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and I sorry to nausey, like if that's getting it done,

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especially if Miami just wants to spike Jimmy. Fuck, I

1178
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:55,360
might just make that deal without even knowing if Jimmy

1179
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,039
Butler's coming back. You can't because you gave up twenty

1180
00:52:58,039 --> 00:53:00,320
thirty one and Michael Porter Junior. But it would be

1181
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,199
more flexible then moving forward financially should he just leave.

1182
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:08,480
So I don't think Denver is a realistic threat, but

1183
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,440
I don't know, Like, if we're gonna give Phoenix the

1184
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,199
time of day, Denver's best offer in theory, and it

1185
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,880
would They're another team where I think you'd have to

1186
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,639
rope in like Phoenix. There needs to be a third

1187
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:20,960
and maybe fourth team involved. I don't think we could

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00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,000
discount it if it was on the table. And finally,

1189
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:26,719
I'd be very interested in the Grizzlies just you can

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00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,000
the money that they have to give up to get there,

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00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,320
and they're not a team that's going to be wants

1192
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,440
to be expensive moving forward. But like Brandon Clark, Marcus Smart,

1193
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,119
and Luke Canard, like that gets you to the money

1194
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:41,880
for Jimmy Butler. Now they're not gonna They're also probably

1195
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,679
gonna want to include so Marcus Smart, Lukenard and Brandon Clark.

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00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,760
They're probably gonna try and get off of John Contar

1197
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,480
there because they want to stay. I would argue, especially

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00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,079
with Jimmy Butler's next deal and they're thinking about Jaron

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00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:55,519
Jackson Junior's next contract.

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00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,519
Speaker 2: They're not paying the tax this year.

1201
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: Could you rope in a team that would take on,

1202
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,519
you know, a John Conchar maybe even a like the

1203
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:06,880
Pistons have the cap space where if Miami wants pure

1204
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,599
expiring money, can we send what can we give the Pistons?

1205
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,719
Do we give the Pistons a first round pick to

1206
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,320
take on Brandon Clark and John Conchar and they send

1207
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,079
Tim Hardaway Junior to Miami, and that just like now

1208
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:24,320
Miami gets an expiring contract, it probably cost them up

1209
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,719
like a first they wouldn't you rather just get the

1210
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,800
two first though I'd probably take on that money if

1211
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,960
i'm them. However, then you get into some roster spot lingo.

1212
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:35,559
But if you include John Conchar in there, and then

1213
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,239
let's say the Grizzlies take back Alec Burks, I have

1214
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,159
them like taking on under three million dollars. So it

1215
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:42,760
would be if you could just find another team to

1216
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,000
take on Alec Burks, which I think a team would

1217
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,880
be willing to do for nothing, you can make this

1218
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:50,719
trade well, being basically a net even by staying out

1219
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:51,280
of the tacks.

1220
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:53,199
Speaker 2: Let's say, and now you've.

1221
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: Kept Desmond Baine and Jared Jackson Junior and John Moran

1222
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,920
and you own all your own first round picks moving forward.

1223
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,800
So two first round picks in this package?

1224
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: Is that enough?

1225
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, because of the way that Marcus Smart's

1226
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,559
money will be viewed by the Heat specifically but certainly

1227
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,880
league wide, you probably if you're getting Jimmy Butler, I

1228
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,480
don't think that I know he's injured. I would include

1229
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:21,880
Gg Jackson, Or I would include Vince Williams Junior Or

1230
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,280
Scottie Pippen Jr. Like I don't know that i'd give

1231
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,960
up two of those guys, but I would give up

1232
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,079
Vince Williams or Gg Jackson. Like if you're getting Jimmy Butler,

1233
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:31,599
you can give up one of those guys. And so

1234
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,760
if you're also getting off all this other money in

1235
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,599
the process, and you believe in Zach Edie and Jared

1236
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,239
Jackson Junior and Jake la Rave and santi Al Dama,

1237
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,400
you're not like necessarily too small after Like I know

1238
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,239
you're giving up one of your primary. Like everybody having

1239
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,519
Grizzlies is a primary. So there's like your three primaries

1240
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:53,480
that everyone just matters a shit ton on the Grizzlies

1241
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:56,000
is the way they play. I would want to see

1242
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:58,079
this team do it. I'm not giving like I'm being

1243
00:55:58,159 --> 00:55:59,920
very strict with it because.

1244
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that he'd have this kind of leverage.

1245
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,239
I will give you picks.

1246
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: Jalen Wells, No, and you're getting off of money you

1247
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,119
probably don't want. I don't like, I don't think they want.

1248
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,960
Conchar has two more years left on his deal. They

1249
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,840
probably they're fine with Clark. I'd probably say he's a

1250
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,519
net neutral contract at a round mid level money, so

1251
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,960
you're giving him to Detroit, but it's not as necessarily

1252
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:22,239
the most negative asset. Smart's Money's kind of a hang

1253
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,840
up here because he has Lukenard's expiring. This a big deal,

1254
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,039
I would worry.

1255
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:26,679
Speaker 2: I think this.

1256
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,639
Speaker 1: Simultaneously makes the Grizzlies a more threatening half court first

1257
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,519
chance offense. And then it's all right, well, you're trading

1258
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:37,440
away some guys who conceptually space the floor. So we

1259
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:40,760
certainly know if lukenar but conceptually refers to a Marcus

1260
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,400
Smart a John Conchar, so I'm still doing it. But

1261
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,679
like now you're towing a very fine financial line. I

1262
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,599
just it's so short term. I'm almost looking at any

1263
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:52,599
Jimmy Butler deal through the next two years, especially if

1264
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:55,360
I'm a team that's operating on a longer window, whereas

1265
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,159
if it doesn't matter as much if you're a Golden

1266
00:56:57,199 --> 00:56:59,480
State as an example, that what is there other than

1267
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:02,920
the next years. But for Memphis, like they have enough

1268
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,039
cost controlled guys where I'm looking at it, I just

1269
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:07,760
don't know what are we thinking? Two first and a

1270
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,599
Vince Williams because you're getting off of Smart and Concours

1271
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:14,039
part of this, and then it's Clark and it's Canard again.

1272
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:17,960
It's it's hurting your The framework ends up being Smart

1273
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:21,480
Canard contra Clark, and then what else do they have

1274
00:57:21,559 --> 00:57:23,480
to attach to that package to make it work? And

1275
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:26,559
once it moves beyond two picks and a Vince Williams,

1276
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,639
that's maybe where I'm giving it pause. And I know

1277
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:31,280
the Grizzlies aren't going to make this deal, but I

1278
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,639
think they would be. It'd be a fun as hell fit.

1279
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,679
You have Desmond Bane defended well this year is and

1280
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:38,880
having the best offensive season, but between him and John Morant,

1281
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,199
Jared Jackson Junior or Jimmy Butler, that's still all this

1282
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,480
depth leapt over where oh Zachi Edy and Santiel Dama

1283
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:47,599
and Jake Laavia are still on this team. Look Jake Claaravia,

1284
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:49,519
I know they decline his team option, but maybe he's

1285
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,320
someone who has value to someone. Santi Aldama will have

1286
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,840
value to someone even as he's approaching free agency. You

1287
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,920
can't trade Jay Huff, so I don't think and I

1288
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,079
don't think his restriction next.

1289
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 2: Buyers this year. I have to look.

1290
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's trade eligible bye, is my point.

1291
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:08,400
But like you just have, you have all these different

1292
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,559
forms of assets, players and picks that you could choose.

1293
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,679
They're so good that they're not being mentioned among these teams.

1294
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:20,320
They're also not on Jimmy Butler's list. At the same time,

1295
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,280
it's sort of like they're a team where because they

1296
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,960
are older than Houston and you're not talking about giving

1297
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,840
away all these young players. And I advocated for Houston

1298
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,719
to at least consider it, but you're not looking at

1299
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:34,360
They're finding a way to play everybody. Injuries have certainly helped.

1300
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,119
A consolidation might not be the worst thing in the

1301
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:40,559
world for them. So I've I'm a great I named

1302
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:42,320
all these teams, and I've talked to myself into well,

1303
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,519
most of them should be looking at it. I'm probably

1304
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:48,119
not if we're being really honest, like the Denvers, the Indianas,

1305
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:52,360
the Atlantas, the Clippers. Of Coursefield's super unrealistic, Spurs, Kings

1306
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,079
and Grizzlies. Man, I'm thinking about it, and if I'm

1307
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:56,760
the Spurs and the Kings, this is all pride upon.

1308
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,599
Speaker 2: What is Jimmy Butler gonna do after this season.

1309
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm probably thinking longer about it than a lot of

1310
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,639
these other teams, But let me know what you think.

1311
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:05,400
Which team you want to see Gimmy Butler trading to?

1312
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:07,440
What do you make of this whole fiasco? Is he

1313
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,639
even a name worthy of an entire podcast that I

1314
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:10,079
just did?

1315
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00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,840
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