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Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 2: Well, it's screed halfn't you? Bruce? Please give us a
brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: My name is Bruce Brown. I'm living Tennessee. I'm a
former law enforcement officer, served as patrolman, the deputy, hire sergeant,
sergeant of patrols, from detective. From detective, I went to
cheap and narcotics, and cheap and narcotics, I have stayed
as a detective and cheap in narcotics. I'm sixty three
years old. And that's basically They're all there is about me.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot to you, Yeah, there's no denying that.
How much does you, being a former law enforcement officer
complicate you coming forward to tell us about all of
your cryptid related experiences.
Speaker 1: It does hinder me in some instances. There's some of
this that's classified that I'm not actually able to share.
The why I was the law enforcement officer. Of course
I couldn't share any of it since I'm no longer
a law enforcement alstru hurt and a line of duty
busting math labs. There's things that I can share that's
not classified. But then there's things that involve the military
that are classified.
Speaker 2: Now I totally understand, and of course we're not even
think by getting into them. When you were working in
law enforcement, did you have any standing orders on how
to handle a cryptic related incident?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, our orders were secrecy. In my instance
where I'm cheap in narcotics. When I had encounters with
cheap and narcotics, I pretty much was the boss and
I had to sign off on everybody's reports. And there's
certain things that we weren't allowed to put in trained
the officers and not putting those things in which caused
us less headache in the department, and that way we
didn't have to do. I didn't have to send men
off to have sych evals because of what they put
in their reports. That could mean something as strange as
the big butt, the dog men, other cryptid animals. Some
claim they've witnessed the devil, and if that's put in
a report, then we have to redact that. Then the
original report the spiles, but then we make a copy
of an appidavit of what they're saying, and then that spiled.
And then when the nine one one system I'm in
and that the government comes in every few months and
audits that system, and it's locked behind the cage and
they only have the key to it to go over
the nine on one system. And what was all filed
and stuff and stuff like that they pulled out and
took with them that involved any dog men type or
other creatures. So there was a lot. There's a lot
to it, a lot of things that they weren't willing
to share with the public. And as law enforcement officers retard,
there's things that they can share. And they know which
is classified and which is unclassified, and some every now
and then will step out there on that limb and
give out classified information. They will get a call. It
might come from the Department of Defense. It might the
call that they get may come from the US Army
Corps of Engineers, and they come from the Coast Guard.
You never know where the calls coming in there, and
a lot of times the first call will be nobody
says anything on the other end when they call you
and they hang up. If you give out more classified
than some information, then you'll get a visit and asked
to swarm back into secrecy. And what the consequences are
legal wise, that can happen to you if you keep talking,
meaning your retirement, pay your insurance, you never even existed.
There's so many things that they will do. They will
go on any site that you posted to or a
part of and intentionally destroy or over up any pictures
or certain parts of what you said through audio. And
that's about it. I've just got to cover yourself what.
Speaker 2: You just told us. That's a testament to why I
try to warn people who have really good evidence and
they think they're going to be able to prove the
existence of these guys of sasquatch, of dog men. That's
why I tried to warn them. You're never going to
be able to beat the government. They don't want this
let out of the bag. No matter what you do,
you're never going to be able to beat them at
that game. So no protecting self.
Speaker 1: You're not the or the average citizen that sees this
and reports it or talks about it in the community.
Somehow the military gets involved, and generally they come in
with uh military helicopters, whether it be the old style
hugheyes with the right our arms sticking out the front
of it, or the what I call the chin hooks,
the big helicopters that carry the soldiers equipment. They will
come in and into an area that they think they
pinpointed where these people are seeing these creatures add and
they will hang around for two or three days and
then disappear. And then if there's any questions asked, it
was a training exercise. So the public has led to
believe it's training exercises.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like that's a story every time. Funny
how that works. If you came upon the scene of
a cryptid related incident and Bruce, would you be the
one tasked with calling in the FEDS or would someone
else into that?
Speaker 1: No, I would be the one tasked for that. I
would be what we call the supervisor or the ranking officer,
and so I would be tasked with calling in to
the military, and then the military then would whatever division
that goes to it. Sometimes will surprise as you one
encounter that I had wound up being that US Coast
Guard Commodore contacted me and then come to see me,
which is the US Coast Guard. Commodore is a four
star admir and we'll sit down and review your camera
footage and what you've seen and stuff, and then he'll
slide you to PaperWorks to take your evidence. You sign
off on it and slide it back to him, and
that's the end of it.
Speaker 2: If that's not calling in the brass, I don't know
what is right.
Speaker 1: It's it's according to what you see, is what type
of a ranking military operation and or personnel that you get.
It can be handled from the ground. That will handle
it from the ground. But most of the time, a
really good sighting that's uh, that's caught on video or
dash can we'd like to call it has a dispatcher
and you talking, it's all audio video. They'll retrieve that.
That will generally bring in the military. Telephone calls will
generally bring in the federal government. They'll come in and
tell you their FBI, but you're clearly not FBI. Uh.
They'll be wearing the Eagle Star badge. It could be
any division of the Department depends or the Department of Justice.
Speaker 2: Not people you want to have to deal with if
you don't.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, Generally they're pretty nice to you. I
mean it's not they don't They don't come out and
threaten you and you know, put you under bright lights
or anything. It's just a code of conduct that you
go by. You know what you're allowed to talk about,
what you're allowed not to talk about. And then if
another agency like a military or the FED step in,
then you know they have can control of the incident.
And it's natural nobody talks about an ongoing investigation, so
when it comes to these cryptis, it's always an ongoing investigation.
So that silences everybody.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can only imagine the files they have on
that investigation. That'd be an awfully good read, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean to have it actually signed off on.
High ranking military individuals, high ranking FBI individuals, and plumb
to the Secretary of the United States will be involved
in a lot of these things, so they do keep
a file. Your presidents know what's going on. They're one
of the first to be briefed in the what they
call the cabinet room where their cabinet members. Those things
are brought up and then sound off what the generals
are the Secretary of State of whoever recommends them signed
off on that, and then I'll just like I said,
it goes to its own place. Every situation is a
little bit different than the next, so you never know
what you get uh. Here in Tennessee, a lot of
this is controlled by the US Army Corps engineers. So
mostly what you get here, if it's not federal agents
will be the US Coast Guard, even though we don't
have any oceans here.
Speaker 2: Make sure do you have this worked out? Don't they?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, it's all like I said, it does with
the situation and what the apartment gets it. And then
then you have your your SAP apartments, which is uh
is intelligence.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Then you have your cleansestine ops and special departments that
handle different situations. That's specializing on those things. So they
have the best equipment, the state of the art equipment
to evaluate. A lot of this ownseen tested. Do their samples.
I've had the privilege to be in on a couple
of them in the work and got to see how
they take their hair samples stuff like that, and they
prefer the hair samples over the blood samples and stuff.
It's a in the ncice type of investigation, but more
thoroughly with better equipment.
Speaker 2: Like I said, they really do have this all worked out, Bruce.
After going from not knowing the cryptids exist to one
day finding a dog man pop, how can you have
any kind of normalcy in your life after that?
Speaker 1: It doesn't. I mean, you have to keep an open mind.
You're clearly not going to see these things like sitting
on your couch if you get out. And I was
fortunate enough to work jobs that exposed me to a
lot of this and was fortunate enough to keep an
open mind and do detective work. And my detective work
was a little bit different than a lot of them.
And what I mean by that is my detective work
was to prove your innocence. When I could not no
longer prove your innocence, I had to turn you over
to the DA and from there it was the judge
and the jerry decided your fate. And a lot of times,
you know, these officers and detectives and stuff. Now the
military you're guilty and they go from there. But I
had a little bit different perspective on detective work in
the same and I use that in the field quite
a bit. I don't go in to hunt a dog man.
I go in looking for tracks and stuff, and more
times than not you come up empty handed. And then
but you do have those moments that you can get
quite a bit of information and thirty seconds to two hours,
it's just according for where they want to stalk you.
If they decide to stock you, they will follow you home.
Then again it gets you start questioning whether it's a
dog man or a whooper or are they both the same?
And you've got these creatures out here that no one
can explain and a lot of people just won't talk
about it, which is normal. They can only wrap around
their minds around so much where they think they're going crazy.
So it's just like I said, detective work pay attention
to a lot of stuff that other people don't pay
attention to. Act stupid it sometimes when you're actually smarter
than what you're dealing with, you capture a lot of
a lot of things in that aspect.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's just like uh uh Scotland Yard.
You know, when you deal with Scotland Yard, you know
that they will come in and their best detectives act
like they ain't got enough sense to pour glass of water.
But that's part of the game, is to get people
to talk and stuff and then and try to act
smarter when and you're thinking you're out smarter them, but
you're not. In the same way with the detective work.
You know, there's things we can say and do there,
and we can act like you know, we ain't got
to clue what's going on, but we know everything.
Speaker 2: There is an art to it. It sounds like there
really is. If you've had a dog Mean encounter that
you'd like to speak with me about, whether in private
or on the show, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com
and submit a report. All right, Bruce, please tell us
about your encounters now, give us ever less detail that
comes to mind. I know you would probably prefer to
start with the most recent one and work backwards in time.
If you prefer to do it that way, that's fine.
I normally prefer for the guests to start at the
beginning and work forward in time. But whichever way you're
going to be most.
Speaker 1: Comfortable, we'll start with the beginning and just work forward.
Then we'll start with One of my first encounters was
deer honey, and I'll saying what I thought was a war,
which there weren't any whoops in that part of the state.
And as it got closer, it had attributes about it
that something wasn't right. Daytime. It had red eyes, was
definitely not right looking through a scope at it had
extremely large feet. The feet on this particular one, this
particular one was black jet black, and when it did
spot me and open his mouth to growl at me,
it had a black inside mouth, exceptionally long canine teeth.
It come on down to where I was in a
tree stand, within twenty yards of me in the tree stand,
and I was using it at that particular time. I
was something with a two forty three high part ripple,
and I just didn't feel comfortable taking the shop because
as everything about this creature wasn't right, and growing up
you hear about hants and stuff like that, and that's
the first thing that comes to my mind, and I
didn't know about dog men at that time. To me,
it was just a supernatural creature. It had exceptionally long
legs and huge feet. My first one there, I had
a after the counter with it and it had left,
took off running and left and it run like a horse.
A gallop. It wasn't a full speed run. It was
more of a gallop. And when I come out of
the tree stand after a couple hours to make sure
everything was all clear and back my way out of
the woods, when I got down to the bottom of
a tree stand and come back around it, what I
hadn't realized it had circled my tree stand and it
stepped in some mud. And I had a paper plate
in my backpack that I had that I was pouring,
actually pouring beanie sausage out on it with the pork
and beans with cut up wings in it, called beanie wings.
And I had that plate and that's what I used
to measure that print with, and that that standard size
paper plate. The footprint was almost exact size, the plate,
just being maybe a quarter inch bigger all the way
around the path of this thing at its foot. After that,
my next encounter was probably i'm going to say another
year and a half, maybe two years later. It involved
one that I had been gen saying hunting and I
had run upon in the woods. Was standing upon the
rock bluff looking down on me, and it was a
black one with a buckskin one side of it had
a buckskin color to its hair. It also come off
the rock with it had red eyes. It circled me
with its head low, and I own all fours now,
and when I look through at it, before I could
get to a spot, I hid behind a tree where
I could get spot to get a good look on it.
It had a gold amber looking color to its eyes. Now,
this was a big animal. We're not talking about a
hundred or two hundred pound dog. We're talking about five
six seven hundred pound animal that was just exceptionally long hair.
It had ears as long as a cow's ears. What
they stood straight up in there on top of his head.
It knew I was there and I had hidden, And
at that time all I had was a small caliber
pistol on me, and it was more for snakes and
it was anything else. It was a twenty two automatic
twenty two eleven shot ten in the clipper in the
one barrel that was chambered. I reached and got it
out and held it in my hand, But at that
time I hadn't I note I was either dealing with
a dog man or a werewhoop. And gradually picked up
information from people talking and stuff that was calling them
dog men. It looked more like a wear whoop. It
had an upper body that was built like a man's
muscular but the back end of it was thin and narrow,
more like a dog's. It had a I would say
about six to eight foot tail on it. It started
circling me, going at a good distance from me without
coming up on me. Encircling me, which is a prime
example of what most predators do is circle their prey.
So I eased out the woods with it. Still at
that time it was flanking me, and I got across
a pence into a haypild that the hay pild had
been freshly cut. It was a pall cut, so the
hay probably the grass where it was cut probably wasn't
or three or four inches tall after the ay was
cut off of it. And I get in the center
of this hell haypild because I want to see all
the way around if this thing comes out. So I
get two thirds across the I can see my car
at the other end, which was probably a football, and
I had built long to my car and I made
it eventually made it to my car because I was
constantly looking around walking a slow pace. When I get
to my car, And actually I never locked my vehicle.
When I leave the keys hitting the car gently under
the I keep a towel across the seat. I generally
slide the under that towel or put them on the
floor mat. Well, that particular day, i'd slid it under
the towel in the driver's seed bucket seat. So I
get in the car and I'm heavy breathing because I'm
on It's not that I'm scared. I'm just on really
high alert. So go to start the car up, and
I feel something hit the car, and it's my car
on the driver's side, pushed down. And when I look up,
there's this massive creature standing up. He's got one massive
pall on the driver's side of my windshield and he's
got the other one on the driver's side of my
window door, and he's pushing down on the car and
it cracks my windshield and I just sat down on
the horn. I'm putting it in reverse, and I go
in reverse. I get turned around and this thing is still.
It has jumped on top of the very top of
my car. So when I come out of the Haybild
and hit the main road, I was able to sling
it off. That one followed me home, and I didn't
know it was followed me, but it followed me home.
And in that night we had a yard dog, or
I had a yard dog. He was a park Mountain
ker who wasn't full blooded, and he had a certain bark.
When he seen somebody coming up in my driveway, he
had a certain bark. If somebody was walking around the house,
he had a different bark. And if it was barming's outside, possums,
coons and stuff like that, foxes, he had a certain
bark for that, which anybody that has dogs can tell
you that they hear their dog outside barking a certain way,
they know it's somebody here or somebody coming up the
driveway in a vehicle. Well, this dog come to the
back porch and he was really cutting the shine. So
that told me somebody was out there, and I just
would I kept a shotgun in the living room where
I was at watching TV. Kept a shotgun in behind
the couch stands up in the corner. It was when
he gage shot and back, single shot, and I walked
to the back door, leapt the porchlight on, and the dog,
which never has done this before, run when I when
I opened the back door and then pushed the screen
door open. Uh, he run between my legs into the
house whimpering. So I shut the door back and went
and got a bigger handheld light because the porchlight wasn't
wasn't giving me a good enough view, and shined it
out there and I didn't see anything. And so I
went back in the living room, got the dog and
put him out in the front door. From my front
door of my house, come into my living room and
I just walked him out there on the porch and
turned him loose, and in just a few minutes he
went to screaming like something was attacking. Well, then, this
dog is not weak by any nature. He's a smaller
type mountain curve, but he is stout. He would tackle
about anything he wanted to. He started screaming like something
was attacking him. So that I go back out with
the gun the flashlight, and I see this thing that's
about seven and seven and a half foot tall and
the glowing red eyes. Put the flashlight on him to
see the glowing red eyes, and the dog is terrified.
He runs in behind me, just about trips me and
knocks me off balance a little bit. I didn't fall
and I just shot up in the air and this
thing took off, So everything was good. I come back
in the house. The dog was shook. He laid against
the front door. He wouldn't move from the front door. Well.
An hour or two later, I was checking quite a
bit and I left the porch lights on running back,
and it was a probably an hour and a half,
maybe it could have been two hours by then. It
was getting by twelve twelve thirty at night. So he
lets out another just tremendous bark. Well, here comes a high,
really high pitch that sounded like a coyote, but much
higher and deeper. So here I go back out and
don't see anything. The dog runs right back in the house.
And he's not a house dog. He doesn't run in
the house. It's not like him. You couldn't keep him
in the house if he wanted to. So he again
acting strange. At this time he was going around in
each one of my rooms and coming out of each
room with a low growl. And then I really last,
whatever it was was circling the house, and he could
tell and he would follow from inside of the house.
So I knew which side of the house was on.
So when he went into my bedroom winder, he backed
up slowly and started a low growl but a whimper
at the same time, and he would sit down and
he was just staring, and when it would move. I
had two windows of my bedroom. One was on one
wall facing north and the other one was on another
wall facing east. He eased around and he would follow
it to the next window, and there was no way
for me to get out the door, to get around
that window without exposing myself. And so what I knew
what I was dealing with then was a dog man.
And I went out the back door. And one thing
you don't want to do is leapt fear over take,
because you make bad decisions. And I stepped around the corner,
flipped the light on him, and sure enough that's where
he was. He was standing there, and he took off,
and this time instead of running on the oars, he
took off running two legs. But he had that upper
human like muscle structure to him, and I shot at him,
and I'm sure I hit him. I didn't hear anything else.
The rest of that night, I put the dog back out,
this time in the backyard, let him out the back door,
and he stayed pretty much calm, and then daylight come.
Then that's six thirty seven o'clock in the morning. I
went out with a cup of coffee. When I was
sitting in a portion of what we call a gladder
rocker was drinking my coffee and across my garden spot
as a big, massive set of woods as it goes
for about five miles, and I could hear something down
dur in the woods. And then before I got my
cup of coffee done, I heard what sounded like coyotes again,
which was unusual for them to be out howling during
the broad daylight. So I walked over and down in there,
and I caught a glimpse of this thing again, probably
pitches sixty yards to these trees. It was a big
pauper thicket. The paupers were probably two foot thick, good
sized trees. This time, I went back to the house
and I got a high powered rifle again. It was
a two forty three, and I went down there to
the edge of the woods and got right inside the
woods where the sun wasn't hiding me. I stayed in
a shady spot where I could canoutlatch myself in and
he exposed himself again. And this time, instead of me
deciding to shoot right at him, I would shoot around
him and I would shoot. He would move a few
yards out. I would ease down to keep moving towards
him until I had shot. I had bought just had
bought a fresh box of shells, and I had stuck
them in my back pocket, and my gun held three
rounds two forty three held three rounds each time, so
I would reload, move, move afore a few more yards
until I eventually pushed him out of the area and
never had any more problems after that. But I learned
when I had my encounters not to drive straight home.
I don't know whether whether he was running behind my
car or smelt the car and was able to track
a car on the road to the house without being seen,
but it was the same one that I had seen.
It had cracked my windshield that it bothered me home.
My next one was right outside of standing Stone State
Park in Alberdin County, Tennessee, on the Clay County side,
on private land that wasn't in the park. I was
in there with some guys coon hunting and we heard coyotes.
We thought was coyotes, but we had this one particular
one that had an extremely deep voice. The dogs come
back and passed us up and we were more in
the rest he did at that time. We'll know what's shoot.
These coyotes help the farmers loper farmers out. One of
the guys that was with us was actually on his farm.
So we're up in there and we get these red eyes,
which you know for coyotes and stuff, you'll get those
red eyes. Predators have red eyes, but these were taller
up These were six and seven eight, but off the ground.
So we knew we want to doing with coyotes. And
the guys when we had never experienced seeing any creatures
like that, they had been in the woods and heard
these sounds and didn't have any explanation for him, but
they never actually got to see one. And so this
particular one crossed the creek branch in front of us,
and we had coon lights. It's a lot that hangs
on your head with the battery pack hooks to your
waist and it's on the long cord that goes up
the back of your neck under your shirt. So they're
good bright whits. So we got a clear picture of
him as he crossed. We've got of you. And when
he crossed this creek branch, he was standing on two legs,
but he wasn't the only one. We had more to
the left of us on the hill more to the right.
So three of us were backed up to each other's
backs to make sure that we weren't surprised and jumped,
and then I explained to him. Then I said, don't
shoot unless you absolutely have to. Let's try to Let's
try to get out of here. And of course they
had no problem with that. They were scared pretty bad.
And one of the guys there is his farm. He
had coon hunted there for forty something years and heard
things but never seen anything, and that was his first
time seeing it, so he accused me of Later on,
after we got back and everybody calmed down, and I
was telling him the store that it was a dog man,
He's like, well, how would you know that? And I'm
talking about something my counters and he said, well, those
things are attracted to you, because you must have brought
this thing in here. And you know, I was like, well, no,
I don't think they're attracted to me. I just think
that instead of tucking tail and running, I like to
see what I'm dealing with. But anyway, I got ahead
of myself on that. This thing attract us back almost
to his house, probably a quarter of a mile from
his house, and he got real nervous and just started shooting.
Every time we'd shine a lot and see an eye shine,
he just start shooting. And then at one time in
the cedar tree, up in the cedar tree, way up.
I'm talking fifteen to eighteen feet in a cedar tree.
He's seen, he sets eyes. He started just shooting into
the cedar tree. And this particular dog man he climbed
the cedar tree. Well, when he jumped out of a
cedar tree, we got a clear view. And when he
hit the ground, he run, but he runs back to
the left of us, behind us. Now we've got this
dog man between us and his barn, and his house
sits a couple hundred yards. Father passed the barn. I said,
now we've got trouble. We've got to pass this barn
in a direction he went just to get to the house.
And we're calling the dogs. We don't know where they went.
They went silent. We're calling them and we're easther way.
We get back to the barn and we realize that
it's in the barn, So we're setting there a western.
What do y'all want to do? You know, do you
want to enter the bar and see if we can
take this thing out? And you know, if I told
the guy there that they're on the property, I said,
it's your call. I mean, you want to let it go.
Hopefully we'll go back in the woods and we'll leave
it alone, or we'll we'll take it out. He said,
I'm not, I'm not. I don't think we need to
go in the bar. I don't think we need to
take that risk. And he said, I don't have any
livestocker in there, it's just hey. And he said, I've
got a tractor in there, in an old truck, and
he said, we just I just don't believe we all
the food with it. We get back to the house
and the dogs are at the house. We thought we
lost the dogs, but they beat us back to the house.
And from that one I went into uh left there
and I actually had a dream about it that night,
and his help probably helped me more than anything. I
dreamed about it to clear a lot of things up
because things happened so quick, and sometimes we tend to
see things that we're not actually seen, so we have
to slow down and try to figure out what we
did see. So I went back and went back in
there two days later by myself and was able to
find the tracks around the creek where he had run
across the creek and again come into the same situation.
This one was a little bit bigger than the normal.
It had a print. I was wearing a ten and
a half boot. It had a pad print of at
least ten inches long six inches wide. It did show
the claw marks. You could clearly see the the claws
were in the money, and then I was pretty much
satisfied that's what it was. The following year, I get
another call from this guy and his neighbor had seen
something right at the boundary markers with the Standing Stone
State Park, and he said, you really need to talk
to him, and we would love to talk to you.
He needs somebody to talk to like you. So I
went up and talked to him, and his nerves were shot.
He was fearful of going out of his house. I
couldn't believe what he's seen, but at the same time,
he knew what he seen, so he described it to
me and it wounded up being a dog man. He
in his thoughts, it was aware whoop. And so I
was able to talk to him for three or four
hours there, and I asked him I would be I
would have been all right, I come back at dark
and he said, yeah, you know, And I said, you
know what you experienced. And he was out checking on
his cattle and seeing this thing and it it bluff
charged him. But he thought by his tractor running and
him getting away, he got away from the tractor, but
he didn't. We just bluff charged him. And that's what
I explained to him, a lot quicker than the same.
So I went back that night and took a Kyo
puppy call, using them again a Johnny Walker game caller.
I took it out and called and we got some
kyoes to answers and distance off and three different groups.
But then we had this one. Kim kept coming in
closer and closer but had a deep, deep scream to it.
Sounded just like a coyote, but just had a really
deep voice to it, and without alarming him, I kept
some of those coyotes, so we we'll get on the
porch and sit on the porch with their guns, and
we got enough moonlight, and right down at his barn,
which was maybe one hundred yards from the house or so,
he had a street light hanging on the front of
his barn. So that's putting up enough light in ap
direction the roads on the other side of us, the
other side of the house, so we weren't too worried
about that. And if the call was coming down the
hall or behind the barn is location there. And we
sat on the porch a couple hours and nothing happened. Well,
his wife had cooked some chicken and she'd come out
on the porch talking to us, and she wasn't quite
sold on the idea, you know, y'all y'all done got
up or and steered up some hants, you know, they
called them hants, and I was like, yeah, we've got
into something for sure, and uh uh. We got through
eating the bones, and he said, just throw them just
we'll just pitch these bones out in the yard. Just
pitch them out of the yard, and we'll need to
take them back in the house and just have to
bring them out them in the halld lot. So we
just threw the bones out in the yard. Well, me
and him were sitting there talking. When we were talking
low because every few minutes I would cut this cayo
pup scream. Well, all of a sudden we heard a
bone crunch and we got real quiet. We heard a
crunch and crunching. We cut the light on, and there's
this big wolf standing on his back legs eating these
chicken bones. And I mean, he's tearing them up. And
so I reached down and I cut the collar off.
When I cut the collar off, he looked straight at us.
And then I cut the light on. I cut the
flash light on and I had on and again it
was a dog man. It took off on all fours.
But at the corner of his yard, next to the
driveway was a big maple tree. He went up that
maple tree just like it wouldn't there, went straight up
in the top of a big, massive tree. It takes
two men, maybe three men to reach around the base
of it. So got in. We got We got down
there next to it, and we shine up and we
was looking at him. Okay, we're gonna have to get
him away from the house, and we're going to have
to either shoot him or shoot around him and see
if we can get him out. And I wasn't scared
as much as I didn't want to be on the
line if he jumped out. But he did jump on
top of one of us, and so we got back
a little piece and we started using a twenty eight
shotgun with a low brass number eight shot, which is
bird shot, and started shooting into the top of a
tree and he come out. When he come out, he
hit the road. He come down with him fifteen feet
of the ground and made a leap and he hit
the road and he would run past his mailbox and
got past his mailbox. He come up on two legs
and was running down this driveway on two legs. So
looked back again. Like I said, again, we had really
bright last last we watched him and he cut and
went into the woods. And the guy said, well, do
you think you think you'll come back? I mean, we've
shot him, you know, he's full of bird shot. And
I was like, well, I don't know. So I stayed
with him Mr till daylight and nothing else happened. And
he never had any other experiences there other than he
could hear the calls off in the distance, but at
this time he knew enough now to knew what the
difference between the coyote and the dog man call. And
then this passed well. The last month, I was in
the woods doing a little detective work. I'd found what
I thought was a deer trail, but it was exceptionally wide,
probably three foot wide, and it was worn down, just dirt,
no leaves, no twigs, nothing in it. So I was
walking it around and I was looking for actually slash
squashed footprints. And I had walked around a point of
this hill, and it's a long ways down from the
top to the bottom, and I had went off of
a point to the bottom and was working my way
up on this big, wide trail, and I seen something
coming down a great vine, and the grape vine was
up in a tall tree. I believe it was a
white oak, good white oakre red oak, which is which
was unusual. You don't very seldom see grape vines growing
at the oaks. And when I got around close enough
to it, I could see this thing and it wasn't
very big, fifteen or twenty pounds coming down head first
down this bne and I walked up closer to it
with than twenty feet and realized it was a pup.
It was a dog pup. It was jet black, and
I walk on up to being careful because being out
in the middle of nowhere like that is definitely wild.
And it looks up at me and it's not aggressive whatsoever.
And I had a pair of gloves in my pocket,
and I pulled my glove out. I didn't put it on.
I just used it to stick out in front of
my hand, and it didn't buy it a growl or
do anything. So I reached and gently picked it up
off a grapevine. When it got down to about five feet,
I just reached up and got it and set it
down on the ground. And it had a little short
tail sticking out maybe three inches, but it was bloody
on the end, like it had been cut off or
betting on offer. It'd got into an accident or something
and lost its tail. It didn't have hair on it,
it was just a fur ball. It had a very
long pointed ears on top of its head. It had
a short snout. The hair was covering somewhat of its eyes,
and so I opened it. I grabbed its top flip
and pulled its toplip up and it had a very
large canee to be a young pup. And so I
pulled down its lower lip and it's had it's about
the same length canine on the lower lip. But when
a rail raised the upper lip again to look at it,
I noticed a pocket there. And I've reached to the
other side and done the same thing and noticed the pocket.
When it shut its mouth, its two lower canines won't
fit perfectly into these pockets. And when it came when
the mouth was completely closed, I noticed the top can
irons come outside the mouth and laid against the outer gums,
the outer skin there. And so I pulled the hair
back in front of its space, and it had clear eyes.
I never seen that. It looked like I was looking
into two glass marbles. No pupil, no nothing. There were
just two clear glass eyes. That's what it looked like
to me. And so I know there had to be
a mother somewhere. I didn't know exactly what I was
dealing with. This thing was clearly not a kyo pup,
clearly not a woof up. I didn't know what it
was it. It's had an extremely big beat. But where
the bend is is for us like where our elbow
is the elbow on this creature went in moved on
the black ground, the elbow off of touched the ground,
so the print it would leave would look like a
big turkey leg. In other words, you'd have the pall
up here and it's skinny down to like an elbow,
and that was the whole print it would leave with
its front with his front legs. And again, like I
said it, now, this wasn't very big. He's fifteen pounds
twenty pounds maybe, but just a big battle of bur
So I went into set him back up on the
bin there. When I set him on the bne, he
started going back up the ne real slow, and this
time his claws his claws had retracted out of his
feet and he was using his claws to go up
the vine. So I eased on back out and went
around the hue and got back up to the top
of the hill and went down on the logging road,
and that was I was probably a mile away when
I heard this scream and again it was a high
pitched a call similar to the cayoes. And then after
several calls, it got deeper and deeper. So I made
my way back out into another holler and was going
out a ridge and I sat down. I was give out,
and I sat down on a big rock. And when
I sat down on this rock, I noticed that I
could see something down to the left of me that
was big, black in color, and I thought I was hid,
and so I just stayed perfectly still. They come on
around the hill below me, but as it just about
got even to me, it stood up on two legs
and looked right at me and let out just a
terrible scream that it messed my breathing up. It didn't
scare me, it just messed my breathing like I was
having an allergic reaction. I felt like my throat was
my throat was closing in, my eyes were burning. And
I got up off that rock and I went up
the hill and I got behind it by then up
the hill, meaning I was about halfway up the mountain,
and I got behind this massive poplar tree and was
peeping out behind it, and it was trying to locate me,
and I was trying to breathe. By then, I was
breathing really really heavy. If it got much closer to
being able to hear me, So I stepped out from
behind it and it let out another scream and it
just I don't called zap you. You just built a
boat of electricity go through your body, just you just
your muscles jumped and everything. And so I decided then
to go straight up the mountain mountain as straight as
I could go to get to the pence rod. Once
I got to the pence row, I could get over
that fence row back on to the logging road at
the top of the mountain. And that's what I did.
I made it up there, climbed the pence and got over.
And this is a wooman warm fence. It's probably four
foot tall with two strands of bob war on top
of it, so made it right around five and a
half feet tall. So I get out the logging road
after I crossed the pence in this logging road that
people had drove ATV's offer vehicles on it, so it
was pretty clear didn't have the saplings and stepped growing
up in It's like the old logging road down the
hill down the mountain. Well, I get out there a
pretty good piece and it comes up and it doesn't
jump the pents, it doesn't do everything anything but step
right over it, just like me, me, and you would
step over a toy in the floor. This was big.
So now I'm I'm wearing a pair of forestry farproof
bdu pants and they have outside zippers, and they've got
an inside zipper that's out of pocket, and find zip
the outside zipper. Reached in my pocket to the other
zipper zip tip. I pulled my gun. I took my
had my gun out and I fired one round in there.
Didn't didn't pay any attention to it. So this time
I cut to the right and went back into the woods,
and I knew that there was an old barn used
to be an old homestead. So I made it to
that homestead and I held up there. And this time
it was probably one or one thirty in the evening,
a good clear sunny day, bright sun. So I get
into the old house and I had no doors on it.
The windows was long ago. I get into the old
house and I'm watching. I don't see it. I'm very good.
Thirty minutes, you don't see it, So I'm good to go. Well,
I come around the corner of the house when I
went out the door. When I come around the house
and headed back towards where my vehicle was parked, which
at that time was probably still I would liked another
mile to the vehicle, could have been more. It's just
my heart was pounding at the same time too. I
get almost to where I think I can see the vehicle,
and I hear something to the ride in it, and
I look to the right of me and this thing
is coming through a sapling thick at the briars, and
it's way above the briars, and it's walking on two legs,
and it's just staring me down. And it's got keep
in mind, the sun's out. It's in the evening, but
we got a bright sun out, and it's got red
glowing eyes, just like lasers. So I wouldn't look in
its eyes. And these these I mean, they were just captivating.
I was afraid it would like the old people say,
don't look a snake in my eye charming, So I
was afraid to look at my eyes. But I caught
that red glowing eyes and I kept going. I kept going,
and eventually I got to where I could see my vehicle,
but it kept pace with me. But it stayed just
twenty yards right inside a briar thicket. And of course
it was making all kinds of commotion and stuff. And
right before I got to the car, it stepped out
on this atv old logging trail that was regorarly used
by ATVs. It stepped out onto it, and it let
out a roar, this time like a mountain wine, and
made just to scream and showed me all its teeth.
I got in the car, windows were up locked, the
doors started the car. I wanted to put some distance
in between it took them backed out. I turned around,
stayed come, don't want to get stuck, don't want to wreck.
Eased on out there and made it back out to
the main road. And from there, when I got onto
the main road, which I called a gravel road, mostly
red dirt. We just had gravel on it. And then
when I got back out to a chipped road, instead
of making a right and going back the direction of
which I come in, I made a left and made
my way across and I come out in Kentucky and
drove across Third until I come up on a convenience store,
went in and got me a cup of coffee, sat
down there, and I was wearing camouflage clothing, and sat
down there, and I drunk that coffee, went back out
and got in the car. I took the back ways
and seventeen different roads to get back home to make
sure I wasn't followed this time. And that was, Like
I said, that was a little over a month ago,
so that was my last encounter.
Speaker 2: Wow, Bruce, I've had some pretty intense encounters there most
people after just having one of those experiences with all
to pieces. I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 1: It's the detective side of me, and you know, fear
will get you killed. Now, I ain't going to say
that there weren't times I weren't scared, but I couldn't
show it. Fear causes you to make bad mistakes. And
when you're dealing with animals and certain people, they sense
that here. When they sense that here, they take that
opportunity to bounce, you know, to hurt you or come
after you. So you have to have to stand your
ground and not show the feer. They might be able
to hear your heart something. But at the same time,
you want to stay who you want to talk from time,
and you're not. You're making it clear you're not hiding
after you know your first when you first see them.
You want to hide and try to work your way
out but still be able to see them. But after
they spot you and then they start stalking you, I
call it, then it's time to show that you're not
here and stay out and not hiding and talking and
they're intrigued by that. So that that's helped me on.
I believe in not getting directly attacked, other than the
time at the car where I ended up with my
windshield busted, my mirror busted. Uh, it actually busted my mirror,
the one that followed me home.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: That for people out here that run have these dog
man encounters, they will follow you home. I suggest you
take an alternate raps to your house, that you even
make a stop. Go into a town or a small
community's got a convenience store, make a stop, hanging around
for thirty minutes or so, drank you a cup of
coffee of cold rank whatever, and then you know, take
different different routes back to your house. The way that
they have a better chance of them losing. I think
it's by sint, by losing your scent, scent of your
vehicle and the scent of you.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a really good way to handle it.
And I realized that all the years in law enforcement
where you had to practice not showing any fear to
perpetrators or anything like that, I know that that was
a lot of practice, and it makes it easier for
you to do that. But in those encounters that you had,
for you not to show fear, that still takes a
lot of constitution.
Speaker 1: That's awfully impressive. The her on your arm and stuff
will stand up. But one of the key things that
the survival of any kind, whether it's encounters or whether
it's the elements itself, is to stay calm and don't
show fear, because if you keep the fear out of
your mind, you can think logically and how to get
yourself out of a bad spot or even save yourself.
You predators, whether it be man or cryptids or whatever,
can sense fears. The bad guys can sense fear. The
good guys can sense fear. I would know when my
buddies were scared, you know, the color or color was changed,
their voices were changed, they would stutter and stuff. And
I know people that I had with me on a
couple of my encounters that we were in trouble, and
you know, so I had to calmly talk to them.
But at the same time I'm talking out loud. These
cryptids will know, but I'm not scared because I'm keeping
up a low, deep voice and saying it's slow enough
that they I believe they understand when us. I think
they're smarter than us to start with.
Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us and still to do that.
You've got an awful out of sand. You really do well.
I'll tell you what, Bruce, I've got a ton of
questions to ask you about your encounters, but we're out
of time. Would you be willing to come back for
a part too, so I could ask you.
Speaker 1: All these questions.
Speaker 2: Sure would be Oh good, that's really good. Then well,
if that's the case, I'll just schedule a recording with
you so we can hear that part two next week.
Then thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll work a lot of work read I'm looking.
Speaker 2: Forward to doing that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Having said all that, thanks again so much for your time,
and I'll catch you next weeks.