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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Bruce Brown. Bruce,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's screed halfn't you? Bruce? Please give us a

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brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: My name is Bruce Brown. I'm living Tennessee. I'm a

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former law enforcement officer, served as patrolman, the deputy, hire sergeant,

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sergeant of patrols, from detective. From detective, I went to

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cheap and narcotics, and cheap and narcotics, I have stayed

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as a detective and cheap in narcotics. I'm sixty three

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years old. And that's basically They're all there is about me.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot to you, Yeah, there's no denying that.

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How much does you, being a former law enforcement officer

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complicate you coming forward to tell us about all of

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your cryptid related experiences.

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Speaker 1: It does hinder me in some instances. There's some of

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this that's classified that I'm not actually able to share.

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The why I was the law enforcement officer. Of course

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I couldn't share any of it since I'm no longer

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a law enforcement alstru hurt and a line of duty

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busting math labs. There's things that I can share that's

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not classified. But then there's things that involve the military

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that are classified.

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Speaker 2: Now I totally understand, and of course we're not even

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think by getting into them. When you were working in

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law enforcement, did you have any standing orders on how

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to handle a cryptic related incident?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, our orders were secrecy. In my instance

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where I'm cheap in narcotics. When I had encounters with

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cheap and narcotics, I pretty much was the boss and

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I had to sign off on everybody's reports. And there's

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certain things that we weren't allowed to put in trained

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the officers and not putting those things in which caused

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us less headache in the department, and that way we

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didn't have to do. I didn't have to send men

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off to have sych evals because of what they put

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in their reports. That could mean something as strange as

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the big butt, the dog men, other cryptid animals. Some

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claim they've witnessed the devil, and if that's put in

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a report, then we have to redact that. Then the

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original report the spiles, but then we make a copy

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of an appidavit of what they're saying, and then that spiled.

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And then when the nine one one system I'm in

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and that the government comes in every few months and

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audits that system, and it's locked behind the cage and

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they only have the key to it to go over

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the nine on one system. And what was all filed

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and stuff and stuff like that they pulled out and

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took with them that involved any dog men type or

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other creatures. So there was a lot. There's a lot

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to it, a lot of things that they weren't willing

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to share with the public. And as law enforcement officers retard,

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there's things that they can share. And they know which

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is classified and which is unclassified, and some every now

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and then will step out there on that limb and

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give out classified information. They will get a call. It

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might come from the Department of Defense. It might the

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call that they get may come from the US Army

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Corps of Engineers, and they come from the Coast Guard.

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You never know where the calls coming in there, and

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a lot of times the first call will be nobody

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says anything on the other end when they call you

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and they hang up. If you give out more classified

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than some information, then you'll get a visit and asked

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to swarm back into secrecy. And what the consequences are

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legal wise, that can happen to you if you keep talking,

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meaning your retirement, pay your insurance, you never even existed.

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There's so many things that they will do. They will

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go on any site that you posted to or a

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part of and intentionally destroy or over up any pictures

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or certain parts of what you said through audio. And

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that's about it. I've just got to cover yourself what.

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Speaker 2: You just told us. That's a testament to why I

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try to warn people who have really good evidence and

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they think they're going to be able to prove the

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existence of these guys of sasquatch, of dog men. That's

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why I tried to warn them. You're never going to

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be able to beat the government. They don't want this

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let out of the bag. No matter what you do,

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you're never going to be able to beat them at

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that game. So no protecting self.

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Speaker 1: You're not the or the average citizen that sees this

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and reports it or talks about it in the community.

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with uh military helicopters, whether it be the old style

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hugheyes with the right our arms sticking out the front

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of it, or the what I call the chin hooks,

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the big helicopters that carry the soldiers equipment. They will

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come in and into an area that they think they

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pinpointed where these people are seeing these creatures add and

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they will hang around for two or three days and

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then disappear. And then if there's any questions asked, it

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was a training exercise. So the public has led to

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believe it's training exercises.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like that's a story every time. Funny

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how that works. If you came upon the scene of

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a cryptid related incident and Bruce, would you be the

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one tasked with calling in the FEDS or would someone

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else into that?

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Speaker 1: No, I would be the one tasked for that. I

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would be what we call the supervisor or the ranking officer,

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and so I would be tasked with calling in to

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the military, and then the military then would whatever division

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that goes to it. Sometimes will surprise as you one

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encounter that I had wound up being that US Coast

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Guard Commodore contacted me and then come to see me,

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which is the US Coast Guard. Commodore is a four

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star admir and we'll sit down and review your camera

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footage and what you've seen and stuff, and then he'll

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slide you to PaperWorks to take your evidence. You sign

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off on it and slide it back to him, and

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that's the end of it.

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Speaker 2: If that's not calling in the brass, I don't know

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what is right.

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Speaker 1: It's it's according to what you see, is what type

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of a ranking military operation and or personnel that you get.

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It can be handled from the ground. That will handle

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it from the ground. But most of the time, a

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really good sighting that's uh, that's caught on video or

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dash can we'd like to call it has a dispatcher

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and you talking, it's all audio video. They'll retrieve that.

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That will generally bring in the military. Telephone calls will

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generally bring in the federal government. They'll come in and

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tell you their FBI, but you're clearly not FBI. Uh.

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They'll be wearing the Eagle Star badge. It could be

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any division of the Department depends or the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 2: Not people you want to have to deal with if

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Speaker 1: Right right, right, Generally they're pretty nice to you. I

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mean it's not they don't They don't come out and

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threaten you and you know, put you under bright lights

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or anything. It's just a code of conduct that you

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go by. You know what you're allowed to talk about,

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what you're allowed not to talk about. And then if

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another agency like a military or the FED step in,

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then you know they have can control of the incident.

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And it's natural nobody talks about an ongoing investigation, so

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when it comes to these cryptis, it's always an ongoing investigation.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I can only imagine the files they have on

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that investigation. That'd be an awfully good read, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean to have it actually signed off on.

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High ranking military individuals, high ranking FBI individuals, and plumb

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to the Secretary of the United States will be involved

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in a lot of these things, so they do keep

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a file. Your presidents know what's going on. They're one

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of the first to be briefed in the what they

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call the cabinet room where their cabinet members. Those things

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are brought up and then sound off what the generals

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are the Secretary of State of whoever recommends them signed

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off on that, and then I'll just like I said,

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it goes to its own place. Every situation is a

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little bit different than the next, so you never know

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what you get uh. Here in Tennessee, a lot of

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this is controlled by the US Army Corps engineers. So

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mostly what you get here, if it's not federal agents

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will be the US Coast Guard, even though we don't

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have any oceans here.

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Speaker 2: Make sure do you have this worked out? Don't they?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, it's all like I said, it does with

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the situation and what the apartment gets it. And then

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then you have your your SAP apartments, which is uh

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is intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Then you have your cleansestine ops and special departments that

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handle different situations. That's specializing on those things. So they

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have the best equipment, the state of the art equipment

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to evaluate. A lot of this ownseen tested. Do their samples.

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of them in the work and got to see how

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they take their hair samples stuff like that, and they

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prefer the hair samples over the blood samples and stuff.

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thoroughly with better equipment.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, they really do have this all worked out, Bruce.

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day finding a dog man pop, how can you have

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any kind of normalcy in your life after that?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't. I mean, you have to keep an open mind.

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You're clearly not going to see these things like sitting

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on your couch if you get out. And I was

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fortunate enough to work jobs that exposed me to a

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lot of this and was fortunate enough to keep an

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open mind and do detective work. And my detective work

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was a little bit different than a lot of them.

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was to prove your innocence. When I could not no

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longer prove your innocence, I had to turn you over

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to the DA and from there it was the judge

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and the jerry decided your fate. And a lot of times,

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you know, these officers and detectives and stuff. Now the

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military you're guilty and they go from there. But I

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had a little bit different perspective on detective work in

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the same and I use that in the field quite

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a bit. I don't go in to hunt a dog man.

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I go in looking for tracks and stuff, and more

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times than not you come up empty handed. And then

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quite a bit of information and thirty seconds to two hours,

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it's just according for where they want to stalk you.

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If they decide to stock you, they will follow you home.

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can explain and a lot of people just won't talk

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about it, which is normal. They can only wrap around

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their minds around so much where they think they're going crazy.

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to a lot of stuff that other people don't pay

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attention to. Act stupid it sometimes when you're actually smarter

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than what you're dealing with, you capture a lot of

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a lot of things in that aspect.

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Speaker 2: That's funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's just like uh uh Scotland Yard.

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that they will come in and their best detectives act

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like they ain't got enough sense to pour glass of water.

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to talk and stuff and then and try to act

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smarter when and you're thinking you're out smarter them, but

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you're not. In the same way with the detective work.

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to clue what's going on, but we know everything.

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Speaker 2: There is an art to it. It sounds like there

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really is. If you've had a dog Mean encounter that

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you'd like to speak with me about, whether in private

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or on the show, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com

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and submit a report. All right, Bruce, please tell us

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about your encounters now, give us ever less detail that

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going to be most.

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Speaker 1: Comfortable, we'll start with the beginning and just work forward.

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Then we'll start with One of my first encounters was

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deer honey, and I'll saying what I thought was a war,

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which there weren't any whoops in that part of the state.

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And as it got closer, it had attributes about it

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that something wasn't right. Daytime. It had red eyes, was

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definitely not right looking through a scope at it had

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extremely large feet. The feet on this particular one, this

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particular one was black jet black, and when it did

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spot me and open his mouth to growl at me,

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it had a black inside mouth, exceptionally long canine teeth.

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It come on down to where I was in a

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tree stand, within twenty yards of me in the tree stand,

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and I was using it at that particular time. I

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was something with a two forty three high part ripple,

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and I just didn't feel comfortable taking the shop because

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as everything about this creature wasn't right, and growing up

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you hear about hants and stuff like that, and that's

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the first thing that comes to my mind, and I

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didn't know about dog men at that time. To me,

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it was just a supernatural creature. It had exceptionally long

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legs and huge feet. My first one there, I had

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a after the counter with it and it had left,

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took off running and left and it run like a horse.

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A gallop. It wasn't a full speed run. It was

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more of a gallop. And when I come out of

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the tree stand after a couple hours to make sure

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everything was all clear and back my way out of

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the woods, when I got down to the bottom of

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a tree stand and come back around it, what I

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hadn't realized it had circled my tree stand and it

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stepped in some mud. And I had a paper plate

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in my backpack that I had that I was pouring,

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actually pouring beanie sausage out on it with the pork

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and beans with cut up wings in it, called beanie wings.

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And I had that plate and that's what I used

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to measure that print with, and that that standard size

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paper plate. The footprint was almost exact size, the plate,

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just being maybe a quarter inch bigger all the way

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around the path of this thing at its foot. After that,

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my next encounter was probably i'm going to say another

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year and a half, maybe two years later. It involved

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one that I had been gen saying hunting and I

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had run upon in the woods. Was standing upon the

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rock bluff looking down on me, and it was a

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black one with a buckskin one side of it had

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a buckskin color to its hair. It also come off

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the rock with it had red eyes. It circled me

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with its head low, and I own all fours now,

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and when I look through at it, before I could

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get to a spot, I hid behind a tree where

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I could get spot to get a good look on it.

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It had a gold amber looking color to its eyes. Now,

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this was a big animal. We're not talking about a

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hundred or two hundred pound dog. We're talking about five

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six seven hundred pound animal that was just exceptionally long hair.

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It had ears as long as a cow's ears. What

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they stood straight up in there on top of his head.

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It knew I was there and I had hidden, And

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at that time all I had was a small caliber

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pistol on me, and it was more for snakes and

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it was anything else. It was a twenty two automatic

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twenty two eleven shot ten in the clipper in the

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one barrel that was chambered. I reached and got it

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out and held it in my hand, But at that

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time I hadn't I note I was either dealing with

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a dog man or a werewhoop. And gradually picked up

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information from people talking and stuff that was calling them

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dog men. It looked more like a wear whoop. It

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had an upper body that was built like a man's

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muscular but the back end of it was thin and narrow,

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more like a dog's. It had a I would say

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about six to eight foot tail on it. It started

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circling me, going at a good distance from me without

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coming up on me. Encircling me, which is a prime

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example of what most predators do is circle their prey.

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So I eased out the woods with it. Still at

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that time it was flanking me, and I got across

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a pence into a haypild that the hay pild had

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been freshly cut. It was a pall cut, so the

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hay probably the grass where it was cut probably wasn't

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or three or four inches tall after the ay was

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cut off of it. And I get in the center

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of this hell haypild because I want to see all

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the way around if this thing comes out. So I

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get two thirds across the I can see my car

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at the other end, which was probably a football, and

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I had built long to my car and I made

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it eventually made it to my car because I was

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constantly looking around walking a slow pace. When I get

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to my car, And actually I never locked my vehicle.

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When I leave the keys hitting the car gently under

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the I keep a towel across the seat. I generally

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slide the under that towel or put them on the

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floor mat. Well, that particular day, i'd slid it under

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the towel in the driver's seed bucket seat. So I

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get in the car and I'm heavy breathing because I'm

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on It's not that I'm scared. I'm just on really

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high alert. So go to start the car up, and

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I feel something hit the car, and it's my car

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on the driver's side, pushed down. And when I look up,

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there's this massive creature standing up. He's got one massive

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pall on the driver's side of my windshield and he's

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got the other one on the driver's side of my

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window door, and he's pushing down on the car and

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it cracks my windshield and I just sat down on

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the horn. I'm putting it in reverse, and I go

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in reverse. I get turned around and this thing is still.

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It has jumped on top of the very top of

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my car. So when I come out of the Haybild

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and hit the main road, I was able to sling

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it off. That one followed me home, and I didn't

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know it was followed me, but it followed me home.

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And in that night we had a yard dog, or

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I had a yard dog. He was a park Mountain

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ker who wasn't full blooded, and he had a certain bark.

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When he seen somebody coming up in my driveway, he

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had a certain bark. If somebody was walking around the house,

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he had a different bark. And if it was barming's outside, possums,

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coons and stuff like that, foxes, he had a certain

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bark for that, which anybody that has dogs can tell

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you that they hear their dog outside barking a certain way,

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they know it's somebody here or somebody coming up the

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driveway in a vehicle. Well, this dog come to the

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back porch and he was really cutting the shine. So

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that told me somebody was out there, and I just

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would I kept a shotgun in the living room where

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I was at watching TV. Kept a shotgun in behind

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the couch stands up in the corner. It was when

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he gage shot and back, single shot, and I walked

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to the back door, leapt the porchlight on, and the dog,

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which never has done this before, run when I when

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I opened the back door and then pushed the screen

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door open. Uh, he run between my legs into the

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house whimpering. So I shut the door back and went

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and got a bigger handheld light because the porchlight wasn't

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wasn't giving me a good enough view, and shined it

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out there and I didn't see anything. And so I

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went back in the living room, got the dog and

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put him out in the front door. From my front

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door of my house, come into my living room and

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I just walked him out there on the porch and

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turned him loose, and in just a few minutes he

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went to screaming like something was attacking. Well, then, this

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dog is not weak by any nature. He's a smaller

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type mountain curve, but he is stout. He would tackle

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about anything he wanted to. He started screaming like something

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was attacking him. So that I go back out with

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the gun the flashlight, and I see this thing that's

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about seven and seven and a half foot tall and

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the glowing red eyes. Put the flashlight on him to

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see the glowing red eyes, and the dog is terrified.

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He runs in behind me, just about trips me and

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knocks me off balance a little bit. I didn't fall

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and I just shot up in the air and this

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thing took off, So everything was good. I come back

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in the house. The dog was shook. He laid against

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the front door. He wouldn't move from the front door. Well.

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An hour or two later, I was checking quite a

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bit and I left the porch lights on running back,

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and it was a probably an hour and a half,

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maybe it could have been two hours by then. It

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was getting by twelve twelve thirty at night. So he

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lets out another just tremendous bark. Well, here comes a high,

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really high pitch that sounded like a coyote, but much

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higher and deeper. So here I go back out and

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don't see anything. The dog runs right back in the house.

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And he's not a house dog. He doesn't run in

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the house. It's not like him. You couldn't keep him

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in the house if he wanted to. So he again

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acting strange. At this time he was going around in

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each one of my rooms and coming out of each

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room with a low growl. And then I really last,

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whatever it was was circling the house, and he could

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tell and he would follow from inside of the house.

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So I knew which side of the house was on.

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So when he went into my bedroom winder, he backed

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up slowly and started a low growl but a whimper

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at the same time, and he would sit down and

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he was just staring, and when it would move. I

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had two windows of my bedroom. One was on one

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wall facing north and the other one was on another

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wall facing east. He eased around and he would follow

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it to the next window, and there was no way

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for me to get out the door, to get around

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that window without exposing myself. And so what I knew

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what I was dealing with then was a dog man.

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And I went out the back door. And one thing

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you don't want to do is leapt fear over take,

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because you make bad decisions. And I stepped around the corner,

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flipped the light on him, and sure enough that's where

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he was. He was standing there, and he took off,

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and this time instead of running on the oars, he

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took off running two legs. But he had that upper

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human like muscle structure to him, and I shot at him,

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and I'm sure I hit him. I didn't hear anything else.

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The rest of that night, I put the dog back out,

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this time in the backyard, let him out the back door,

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and he stayed pretty much calm, and then daylight come.

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Then that's six thirty seven o'clock in the morning. I

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went out with a cup of coffee. When I was

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sitting in a portion of what we call a gladder

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rocker was drinking my coffee and across my garden spot

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as a big, massive set of woods as it goes

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for about five miles, and I could hear something down

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dur in the woods. And then before I got my

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cup of coffee done, I heard what sounded like coyotes again,

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which was unusual for them to be out howling during

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the broad daylight. So I walked over and down in there,

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and I caught a glimpse of this thing again, probably

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pitches sixty yards to these trees. It was a big

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pauper thicket. The paupers were probably two foot thick, good

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sized trees. This time, I went back to the house

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and I got a high powered rifle again. It was

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a two forty three, and I went down there to

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the edge of the woods and got right inside the

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woods where the sun wasn't hiding me. I stayed in

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a shady spot where I could canoutlatch myself in and

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he exposed himself again. And this time, instead of me

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deciding to shoot right at him, I would shoot around

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him and I would shoot. He would move a few

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yards out. I would ease down to keep moving towards

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him until I had shot. I had bought just had

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bought a fresh box of shells, and I had stuck

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them in my back pocket, and my gun held three

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rounds two forty three held three rounds each time, so

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I would reload, move, move afore a few more yards

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until I eventually pushed him out of the area and

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never had any more problems after that. But I learned

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when I had my encounters not to drive straight home.

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I don't know whether whether he was running behind my

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car or smelt the car and was able to track

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a car on the road to the house without being seen,

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but it was the same one that I had seen.

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It had cracked my windshield that it bothered me home.

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My next one was right outside of standing Stone State

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Park in Alberdin County, Tennessee, on the Clay County side,

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on private land that wasn't in the park. I was

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in there with some guys coon hunting and we heard coyotes.

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We thought was coyotes, but we had this one particular

481
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,000
one that had an extremely deep voice. The dogs come

482
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:59,880
back and passed us up and we were more in

483
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,480
the rest he did at that time. We'll know what's shoot.

484
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:06,599
These coyotes help the farmers loper farmers out. One of

485
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:09,880
the guys that was with us was actually on his farm.

486
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,159
So we're up in there and we get these red eyes,

487
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:19,000
which you know for coyotes and stuff, you'll get those

488
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,360
red eyes. Predators have red eyes, but these were taller

489
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:26,440
up These were six and seven eight, but off the ground.

490
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,239
So we knew we want to doing with coyotes. And

491
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:37,679
the guys when we had never experienced seeing any creatures

492
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,800
like that, they had been in the woods and heard

493
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,360
these sounds and didn't have any explanation for him, but

494
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,239
they never actually got to see one. And so this

495
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,320
particular one crossed the creek branch in front of us,

496
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,400
and we had coon lights. It's a lot that hangs

497
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,320
on your head with the battery pack hooks to your

498
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,440
waist and it's on the long cord that goes up

499
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:06,079
the back of your neck under your shirt. So they're

500
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:11,360
good bright whits. So we got a clear picture of

501
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,599
him as he crossed. We've got of you. And when

502
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:20,880
he crossed this creek branch, he was standing on two legs,

503
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,400
but he wasn't the only one. We had more to

504
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,679
the left of us on the hill more to the right.

505
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,599
So three of us were backed up to each other's

506
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,480
backs to make sure that we weren't surprised and jumped,

507
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,840
and then I explained to him. Then I said, don't

508
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,320
shoot unless you absolutely have to. Let's try to Let's

509
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,039
try to get out of here. And of course they

510
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:47,159
had no problem with that. They were scared pretty bad.

511
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,159
And one of the guys there is his farm. He

512
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,719
had coon hunted there for forty something years and heard

513
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,760
things but never seen anything, and that was his first

514
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:05,159
time seeing it, so he accused me of Later on,

515
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,239
after we got back and everybody calmed down, and I

516
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,480
was telling him the store that it was a dog man,

517
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,000
He's like, well, how would you know that? And I'm

518
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,079
talking about something my counters and he said, well, those

519
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,159
things are attracted to you, because you must have brought

520
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:22,280
this thing in here. And you know, I was like, well, no,

521
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,599
I don't think they're attracted to me. I just think

522
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:29,280
that instead of tucking tail and running, I like to

523
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:35,039
see what I'm dealing with. But anyway, I got ahead

524
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:40,559
of myself on that. This thing attract us back almost

525
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:43,199
to his house, probably a quarter of a mile from

526
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:50,679
his house, and he got real nervous and just started shooting.

527
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,320
Every time we'd shine a lot and see an eye shine,

528
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,119
he just start shooting. And then at one time in

529
00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,639
the cedar tree, up in the cedar tree, way up.

530
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,880
I'm talking fifteen to eighteen feet in a cedar tree.

531
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,599
He's seen, he sets eyes. He started just shooting into

532
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:10,440
the cedar tree. And this particular dog man he climbed

533
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,039
the cedar tree. Well, when he jumped out of a

534
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,400
cedar tree, we got a clear view. And when he

535
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:19,280
hit the ground, he run, but he runs back to

536
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,119
the left of us, behind us. Now we've got this

537
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,519
dog man between us and his barn, and his house

538
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:31,039
sits a couple hundred yards. Father passed the barn. I said,

539
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,639
now we've got trouble. We've got to pass this barn

540
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,039
in a direction he went just to get to the house.

541
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,719
And we're calling the dogs. We don't know where they went.

542
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:48,639
They went silent. We're calling them and we're easther way.

543
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,679
We get back to the barn and we realize that

544
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:56,880
it's in the barn, So we're setting there a western.

545
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:58,639
What do y'all want to do? You know, do you

546
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,559
want to enter the bar and see if we can

547
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,960
take this thing out? And you know, if I told

548
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,079
the guy there that they're on the property, I said,

549
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,159
it's your call. I mean, you want to let it go.

550
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,719
Hopefully we'll go back in the woods and we'll leave

551
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,119
it alone, or we'll we'll take it out. He said,

552
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:21,280
I'm not, I'm not. I don't think we need to

553
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,079
go in the bar. I don't think we need to

554
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,280
take that risk. And he said, I don't have any

555
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,480
livestocker in there, it's just hey. And he said, I've

556
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,159
got a tractor in there, in an old truck, and

557
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,199
he said, we just I just don't believe we all

558
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,320
the food with it. We get back to the house

559
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,639
and the dogs are at the house. We thought we

560
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,159
lost the dogs, but they beat us back to the house.

561
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,719
And from that one I went into uh left there

562
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,960
and I actually had a dream about it that night,

563
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,639
and his help probably helped me more than anything. I

564
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,599
dreamed about it to clear a lot of things up

565
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:08,280
because things happened so quick, and sometimes we tend to

566
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,079
see things that we're not actually seen, so we have

567
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,239
to slow down and try to figure out what we

568
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,599
did see. So I went back and went back in

569
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:21,639
there two days later by myself and was able to

570
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:24,079
find the tracks around the creek where he had run

571
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:29,199
across the creek and again come into the same situation.

572
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,239
This one was a little bit bigger than the normal.

573
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:39,119
It had a print. I was wearing a ten and

574
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:44,039
a half boot. It had a pad print of at

575
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:50,880
least ten inches long six inches wide. It did show

576
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:59,039
the claw marks. You could clearly see the the claws

577
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:05,719
were in the money, and then I was pretty much

578
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,639
satisfied that's what it was. The following year, I get

579
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:15,119
another call from this guy and his neighbor had seen

580
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,639
something right at the boundary markers with the Standing Stone

581
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,280
State Park, and he said, you really need to talk

582
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,199
to him, and we would love to talk to you.

583
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:30,440
He needs somebody to talk to like you. So I

584
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,519
went up and talked to him, and his nerves were shot.

585
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:41,800
He was fearful of going out of his house. I

586
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,400
couldn't believe what he's seen, but at the same time,

587
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,920
he knew what he seen, so he described it to

588
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,880
me and it wounded up being a dog man. He

589
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:02,280
in his thoughts, it was aware whoop. And so I

590
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,239
was able to talk to him for three or four

591
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,199
hours there, and I asked him I would be I

592
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:10,519
would have been all right, I come back at dark

593
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,239
and he said, yeah, you know, And I said, you

594
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,519
know what you experienced. And he was out checking on

595
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:24,960
his cattle and seeing this thing and it it bluff

596
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:27,920
charged him. But he thought by his tractor running and

597
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:30,599
him getting away, he got away from the tractor, but

598
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:35,519
he didn't. We just bluff charged him. And that's what

599
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:37,920
I explained to him, a lot quicker than the same.

600
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,239
So I went back that night and took a Kyo

601
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:47,800
puppy call, using them again a Johnny Walker game caller.

602
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,679
I took it out and called and we got some

603
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,440
kyoes to answers and distance off and three different groups.

604
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,039
But then we had this one. Kim kept coming in

605
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,800
closer and closer but had a deep, deep scream to it.

606
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,639
Sounded just like a coyote, but just had a really

607
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,360
deep voice to it, and without alarming him, I kept

608
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,320
some of those coyotes, so we we'll get on the

609
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,280
porch and sit on the porch with their guns, and

610
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,679
we got enough moonlight, and right down at his barn,

611
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,360
which was maybe one hundred yards from the house or so,

612
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,840
he had a street light hanging on the front of

613
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,599
his barn. So that's putting up enough light in ap

614
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,480
direction the roads on the other side of us, the

615
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:42,599
other side of the house, so we weren't too worried

616
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:46,119
about that. And if the call was coming down the

617
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:54,400
hall or behind the barn is location there. And we

618
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:58,760
sat on the porch a couple hours and nothing happened. Well,

619
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,920
his wife had cooked some chicken and she'd come out

620
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,840
on the porch talking to us, and she wasn't quite

621
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,320
sold on the idea, you know, y'all y'all done got

622
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,719
up or and steered up some hants, you know, they

623
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,000
called them hants, and I was like, yeah, we've got

624
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:27,599
into something for sure, and uh uh. We got through

625
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:29,719
eating the bones, and he said, just throw them just

626
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,079
we'll just pitch these bones out in the yard. Just

627
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:33,599
pitch them out of the yard, and we'll need to

628
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,960
take them back in the house and just have to

629
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:40,119
bring them out them in the halld lot. So we

630
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,000
just threw the bones out in the yard. Well, me

631
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,199
and him were sitting there talking. When we were talking

632
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,599
low because every few minutes I would cut this cayo

633
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,360
pup scream. Well, all of a sudden we heard a

634
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,239
bone crunch and we got real quiet. We heard a

635
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,000
crunch and crunching. We cut the light on, and there's

636
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:10,800
this big wolf standing on his back legs eating these

637
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,519
chicken bones. And I mean, he's tearing them up. And

638
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,719
so I reached down and I cut the collar off.

639
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,320
When I cut the collar off, he looked straight at us.

640
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,360
And then I cut the light on. I cut the

641
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,119
flash light on and I had on and again it

642
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,519
was a dog man. It took off on all fours.

643
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:36,440
But at the corner of his yard, next to the

644
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:40,159
driveway was a big maple tree. He went up that

645
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,280
maple tree just like it wouldn't there, went straight up

646
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,280
in the top of a big, massive tree. It takes

647
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,480
two men, maybe three men to reach around the base

648
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:54,960
of it. So got in. We got We got down

649
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:56,880
there next to it, and we shine up and we

650
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,719
was looking at him. Okay, we're gonna have to get

651
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,400
him away from the house, and we're going to have

652
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,840
to either shoot him or shoot around him and see

653
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,880
if we can get him out. And I wasn't scared

654
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,360
as much as I didn't want to be on the

655
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,760
line if he jumped out. But he did jump on

656
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,320
top of one of us, and so we got back

657
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,920
a little piece and we started using a twenty eight

658
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,440
shotgun with a low brass number eight shot, which is

659
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:30,880
bird shot, and started shooting into the top of a

660
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,519
tree and he come out. When he come out, he

661
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:38,960
hit the road. He come down with him fifteen feet

662
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,559
of the ground and made a leap and he hit

663
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:43,599
the road and he would run past his mailbox and

664
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:46,159
got past his mailbox. He come up on two legs

665
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,400
and was running down this driveway on two legs. So

666
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:54,639
looked back again. Like I said, again, we had really

667
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,760
bright last last we watched him and he cut and

668
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,559
went into the woods. And the guy said, well, do

669
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:04,360
you think you think you'll come back? I mean, we've

670
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,119
shot him, you know, he's full of bird shot. And

671
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,639
I was like, well, I don't know. So I stayed

672
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,159
with him Mr till daylight and nothing else happened. And

673
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,000
he never had any other experiences there other than he

674
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:21,360
could hear the calls off in the distance, but at

675
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,119
this time he knew enough now to knew what the

676
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:29,760
difference between the coyote and the dog man call. And

677
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:37,599
then this passed well. The last month, I was in

678
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:44,400
the woods doing a little detective work. I'd found what

679
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:47,440
I thought was a deer trail, but it was exceptionally wide,

680
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:54,800
probably three foot wide, and it was worn down, just dirt,

681
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,159
no leaves, no twigs, nothing in it. So I was

682
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:05,599
walking it around and I was looking for actually slash

683
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:10,559
squashed footprints. And I had walked around a point of

684
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:13,880
this hill, and it's a long ways down from the

685
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,480
top to the bottom, and I had went off of

686
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:20,760
a point to the bottom and was working my way

687
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,559
up on this big, wide trail, and I seen something

688
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:28,119
coming down a great vine, and the grape vine was

689
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:33,320
up in a tall tree. I believe it was a

690
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,519
white oak, good white oakre red oak, which is which

691
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,079
was unusual. You don't very seldom see grape vines growing

692
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:48,000
at the oaks. And when I got around close enough

693
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:50,239
to it, I could see this thing and it wasn't

694
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,480
very big, fifteen or twenty pounds coming down head first

695
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:58,920
down this bne and I walked up closer to it

696
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,400
with than twenty feet and realized it was a pup.

697
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,280
It was a dog pup. It was jet black, and

698
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:09,559
I walk on up to being careful because being out

699
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,039
in the middle of nowhere like that is definitely wild.

700
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,559
And it looks up at me and it's not aggressive whatsoever.

701
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,559
And I had a pair of gloves in my pocket,

702
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:25,039
and I pulled my glove out. I didn't put it on.

703
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,079
I just used it to stick out in front of

704
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:29,159
my hand, and it didn't buy it a growl or

705
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,719
do anything. So I reached and gently picked it up

706
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,880
off a grapevine. When it got down to about five feet,

707
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,719
I just reached up and got it and set it

708
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,480
down on the ground. And it had a little short

709
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:46,760
tail sticking out maybe three inches, but it was bloody

710
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,519
on the end, like it had been cut off or

711
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,760
betting on offer. It'd got into an accident or something

712
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,519
and lost its tail. It didn't have hair on it,

713
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:02,400
it was just a fur ball. It had a very

714
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,800
long pointed ears on top of its head. It had

715
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:12,679
a short snout. The hair was covering somewhat of its eyes,

716
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,800
and so I opened it. I grabbed its top flip

717
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,000
and pulled its toplip up and it had a very

718
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:26,280
large canee to be a young pup. And so I

719
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:32,119
pulled down its lower lip and it's had it's about

720
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:35,480
the same length canine on the lower lip. But when

721
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,000
a rail raised the upper lip again to look at it,

722
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,679
I noticed a pocket there. And I've reached to the

723
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,760
other side and done the same thing and noticed the pocket.

724
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:48,239
When it shut its mouth, its two lower canines won't

725
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,960
fit perfectly into these pockets. And when it came when

726
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,079
the mouth was completely closed, I noticed the top can

727
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:03,519
irons come outside the mouth and laid against the outer gums,

728
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,039
the outer skin there. And so I pulled the hair

729
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:14,079
back in front of its space, and it had clear eyes.

730
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,360
I never seen that. It looked like I was looking

731
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,440
into two glass marbles. No pupil, no nothing. There were

732
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,119
just two clear glass eyes. That's what it looked like

733
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:30,760
to me. And so I know there had to be

734
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,119
a mother somewhere. I didn't know exactly what I was

735
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:39,280
dealing with. This thing was clearly not a kyo pup,

736
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,360
clearly not a woof up. I didn't know what it

737
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:50,519
was it. It's had an extremely big beat. But where

738
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:54,000
the bend is is for us like where our elbow

739
00:51:54,239 --> 00:52:00,519
is the elbow on this creature went in moved on

740
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,400
the black ground, the elbow off of touched the ground,

741
00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:06,280
so the print it would leave would look like a

742
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,559
big turkey leg. In other words, you'd have the pall

743
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,880
up here and it's skinny down to like an elbow,

744
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:17,320
and that was the whole print it would leave with

745
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:24,960
its front with his front legs. And again, like I

746
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,400
said it, now, this wasn't very big. He's fifteen pounds

747
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:32,360
twenty pounds maybe, but just a big battle of bur

748
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,519
So I went into set him back up on the

749
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:43,239
bin there. When I set him on the bne, he

750
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,199
started going back up the ne real slow, and this

751
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,519
time his claws his claws had retracted out of his

752
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:52,559
feet and he was using his claws to go up

753
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:59,280
the vine. So I eased on back out and went

754
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,559
around the hue and got back up to the top

755
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:05,159
of the hill and went down on the logging road,

756
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:09,159
and that was I was probably a mile away when

757
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:15,559
I heard this scream and again it was a high

758
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:23,000
pitched a call similar to the cayoes. And then after

759
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,760
several calls, it got deeper and deeper. So I made

760
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,840
my way back out into another holler and was going

761
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,920
out a ridge and I sat down. I was give out,

762
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:38,159
and I sat down on a big rock. And when

763
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:43,199
I sat down on this rock, I noticed that I

764
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,960
could see something down to the left of me that

765
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:52,960
was big, black in color, and I thought I was hid,

766
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:59,880
and so I just stayed perfectly still. They come on

767
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,719
around the hill below me, but as it just about

768
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,480
got even to me, it stood up on two legs

769
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,000
and looked right at me and let out just a

770
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:19,360
terrible scream that it messed my breathing up. It didn't

771
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,400
scare me, it just messed my breathing like I was

772
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,440
having an allergic reaction. I felt like my throat was

773
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:33,079
my throat was closing in, my eyes were burning. And

774
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,559
I got up off that rock and I went up

775
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:43,880
the hill and I got behind it by then up

776
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,280
the hill, meaning I was about halfway up the mountain,

777
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,000
and I got behind this massive poplar tree and was

778
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:54,360
peeping out behind it, and it was trying to locate me,

779
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:58,480
and I was trying to breathe. By then, I was

780
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:02,559
breathing really really heavy. If it got much closer to

781
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:05,599
being able to hear me, So I stepped out from

782
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:10,159
behind it and it let out another scream and it

783
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,519
just I don't called zap you. You just built a

784
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:18,920
boat of electricity go through your body, just you just

785
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:24,320
your muscles jumped and everything. And so I decided then

786
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,440
to go straight up the mountain mountain as straight as

787
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:32,039
I could go to get to the pence rod. Once

788
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:34,000
I got to the pence row, I could get over

789
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:39,000
that fence row back on to the logging road at

790
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:42,559
the top of the mountain. And that's what I did.

791
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:45,800
I made it up there, climbed the pence and got over.

792
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,840
And this is a wooman warm fence. It's probably four

793
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,480
foot tall with two strands of bob war on top

794
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:53,480
of it, so made it right around five and a

795
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:58,320
half feet tall. So I get out the logging road

796
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,199
after I crossed the pence in this logging road that

797
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,960
people had drove ATV's offer vehicles on it, so it

798
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,760
was pretty clear didn't have the saplings and stepped growing

799
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,920
up in It's like the old logging road down the

800
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:14,960
hill down the mountain. Well, I get out there a

801
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:19,280
pretty good piece and it comes up and it doesn't

802
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,559
jump the pents, it doesn't do everything anything but step

803
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,679
right over it, just like me, me, and you would

804
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,239
step over a toy in the floor. This was big.

805
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:36,480
So now I'm I'm wearing a pair of forestry farproof

806
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:41,239
bdu pants and they have outside zippers, and they've got

807
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,519
an inside zipper that's out of pocket, and find zip

808
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,440
the outside zipper. Reached in my pocket to the other

809
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:52,800
zipper zip tip. I pulled my gun. I took my

810
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,079
had my gun out and I fired one round in there.

811
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:04,880
Didn't didn't pay any attention to it. So this time

812
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,280
I cut to the right and went back into the woods,

813
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:13,519
and I knew that there was an old barn used

814
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:15,480
to be an old homestead. So I made it to

815
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:19,840
that homestead and I held up there. And this time

816
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,000
it was probably one or one thirty in the evening,

817
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:31,679
a good clear sunny day, bright sun. So I get

818
00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:35,639
into the old house and I had no doors on it.

819
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,960
The windows was long ago. I get into the old

820
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:43,519
house and I'm watching. I don't see it. I'm very good.

821
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:48,280
Thirty minutes, you don't see it, So I'm good to go. Well,

822
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,599
I come around the corner of the house when I

823
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,679
went out the door. When I come around the house

824
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,280
and headed back towards where my vehicle was parked, which

825
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,760
at that time was probably still I would liked another

826
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,519
mile to the vehicle, could have been more. It's just

827
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:10,119
my heart was pounding at the same time too. I

828
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:15,719
get almost to where I think I can see the vehicle,

829
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:19,639
and I hear something to the ride in it, and

830
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,599
I look to the right of me and this thing

831
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,320
is coming through a sapling thick at the briars, and

832
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,000
it's way above the briars, and it's walking on two legs,

833
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,519
and it's just staring me down. And it's got keep

834
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:39,840
in mind, the sun's out. It's in the evening, but

835
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,280
we got a bright sun out, and it's got red

836
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,400
glowing eyes, just like lasers. So I wouldn't look in

837
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,800
its eyes. And these these I mean, they were just captivating.

838
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,400
I was afraid it would like the old people say,

839
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,559
don't look a snake in my eye charming, So I

840
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:01,119
was afraid to look at my eyes. But I caught

841
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:06,239
that red glowing eyes and I kept going. I kept going,

842
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,360
and eventually I got to where I could see my vehicle,

843
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,440
but it kept pace with me. But it stayed just

844
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:18,599
twenty yards right inside a briar thicket. And of course

845
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:21,880
it was making all kinds of commotion and stuff. And

846
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,920
right before I got to the car, it stepped out

847
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:32,599
on this atv old logging trail that was regorarly used

848
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:37,239
by ATVs. It stepped out onto it, and it let

849
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,400
out a roar, this time like a mountain wine, and

850
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,840
made just to scream and showed me all its teeth.

851
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:53,559
I got in the car, windows were up locked, the

852
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:57,800
doors started the car. I wanted to put some distance

853
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:04,679
in between it took them backed out. I turned around,

854
01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:08,400
stayed come, don't want to get stuck, don't want to wreck.

855
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:11,280
Eased on out there and made it back out to

856
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,119
the main road. And from there, when I got onto

857
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:17,840
the main road, which I called a gravel road, mostly

858
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,599
red dirt. We just had gravel on it. And then

859
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:25,519
when I got back out to a chipped road, instead

860
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:29,239
of making a right and going back the direction of

861
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,960
which I come in, I made a left and made

862
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:35,639
my way across and I come out in Kentucky and

863
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,280
drove across Third until I come up on a convenience store,

864
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,559
went in and got me a cup of coffee, sat

865
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:47,599
down there, and I was wearing camouflage clothing, and sat

866
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:52,719
down there, and I drunk that coffee, went back out

867
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,199
and got in the car. I took the back ways

868
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,440
and seventeen different roads to get back home to make

869
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:05,079
sure I wasn't followed this time. And that was, Like

870
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:06,920
I said, that was a little over a month ago,

871
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,679
so that was my last encounter.

872
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: Wow, Bruce, I've had some pretty intense encounters there most

873
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:17,760
people after just having one of those experiences with all

874
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,400
to pieces. I don't know how you do it.

875
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: It's the detective side of me, and you know, fear

876
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,079
will get you killed. Now, I ain't going to say

877
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:31,360
that there weren't times I weren't scared, but I couldn't

878
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,119
show it. Fear causes you to make bad mistakes. And

879
01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:40,519
when you're dealing with animals and certain people, they sense

880
01:01:40,599 --> 01:01:43,320
that here. When they sense that here, they take that

881
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:48,159
opportunity to bounce, you know, to hurt you or come

882
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:52,679
after you. So you have to have to stand your

883
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,760
ground and not show the feer. They might be able

884
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,159
to hear your heart something. But at the same time,

885
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,119
you want to stay who you want to talk from time,

886
01:02:03,199 --> 01:02:05,440
and you're not. You're making it clear you're not hiding

887
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:10,599
after you know your first when you first see them.

888
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:13,159
You want to hide and try to work your way

889
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:15,960
out but still be able to see them. But after

890
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:18,440
they spot you and then they start stalking you, I

891
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:21,320
call it, then it's time to show that you're not

892
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:26,440
here and stay out and not hiding and talking and

893
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:32,400
they're intrigued by that. So that that's helped me on.

894
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:38,280
I believe in not getting directly attacked, other than the

895
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,440
time at the car where I ended up with my

896
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:45,400
windshield busted, my mirror busted. Uh, it actually busted my mirror,

897
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:48,000
the one that followed me home.

898
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:50,199
Speaker 2: Uh.

899
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: That for people out here that run have these dog

900
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:58,239
man encounters, they will follow you home. I suggest you

901
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,079
take an alternate raps to your house, that you even

902
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:04,599
make a stop. Go into a town or a small

903
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:08,760
community's got a convenience store, make a stop, hanging around

904
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,360
for thirty minutes or so, drank you a cup of

905
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:17,559
coffee of cold rank whatever, and then you know, take

906
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:20,360
different different routes back to your house. The way that

907
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:23,880
they have a better chance of them losing. I think

908
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,079
it's by sint, by losing your scent, scent of your

909
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:28,280
vehicle and the scent of you.

910
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 2: That sounds like a really good way to handle it.

911
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:34,960
And I realized that all the years in law enforcement

912
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:37,519
where you had to practice not showing any fear to

913
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,239
perpetrators or anything like that, I know that that was

914
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,440
a lot of practice, and it makes it easier for

915
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:47,599
you to do that. But in those encounters that you had,

916
01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:50,599
for you not to show fear, that still takes a

917
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:51,840
lot of constitution.

918
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:57,239
Speaker 1: That's awfully impressive. The her on your arm and stuff

919
01:03:57,239 --> 01:04:00,800
will stand up. But one of the key things that

920
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,679
the survival of any kind, whether it's encounters or whether

921
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,960
it's the elements itself, is to stay calm and don't

922
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:13,679
show fear, because if you keep the fear out of

923
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,119
your mind, you can think logically and how to get

924
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:20,199
yourself out of a bad spot or even save yourself.

925
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:26,320
You predators, whether it be man or cryptids or whatever,

926
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,119
can sense fears. The bad guys can sense fear. The

927
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:34,079
good guys can sense fear. I would know when my

928
01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:37,559
buddies were scared, you know, the color or color was changed,

929
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:42,000
their voices were changed, they would stutter and stuff. And

930
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:44,599
I know people that I had with me on a

931
01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:48,239
couple of my encounters that we were in trouble, and

932
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:52,320
you know, so I had to calmly talk to them.

933
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,960
But at the same time I'm talking out loud. These

934
01:04:56,039 --> 01:05:00,960
cryptids will know, but I'm not scared because I'm keeping

935
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:07,960
up a low, deep voice and saying it's slow enough

936
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,639
that they I believe they understand when us. I think

937
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:13,320
they're smarter than us to start with.

938
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us and still to do that.

939
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,760
You've got an awful out of sand. You really do well.

940
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,679
I'll tell you what, Bruce, I've got a ton of

941
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,480
questions to ask you about your encounters, but we're out

942
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:28,840
of time. Would you be willing to come back for

943
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,519
a part too, so I could ask you.

944
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: All these questions.

945
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 2: Sure would be Oh good, that's really good. Then well,

946
01:05:37,719 --> 01:05:40,679
if that's the case, I'll just schedule a recording with

947
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,719
you so we can hear that part two next week.

948
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:43,360
Then thank you.

949
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll work a lot of work read I'm looking.

950
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,239
Speaker 2: Forward to doing that.

951
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:48,599
Speaker 1: Well.

952
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,559
Speaker 2: Having said all that, thanks again so much for your time,

953
01:05:51,639 --> 01:06:15,079
and I'll catch you next weeks.