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<v Speaker 1>Download Dad, I just can't hit that note. Come talk

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<v Speaker 1>with me, you know, oh well for that. I'm Jesse Jackson, Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBL

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<v Speaker 1>Talk fifteen to eighty. I was just sharing with our

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<v Speaker 1>producer that I can't hit that note, but if I could,

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<v Speaker 1>I would sing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Come talk with me. I can't get that, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Our very special guest in this hour is

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<v Speaker 2>none other than one a man who has one foot

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<v Speaker 2>in the pulpit and one foot in the courtroom, but

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<v Speaker 2>both feet in reality. His contribution on Wealthy Wednesdays on

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<v Speaker 2>the Jesse Jackson Junior Show is the turning point of

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<v Speaker 2>our week because we rely upon the thoughtful thinking of

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<v Speaker 2>none other than doctor Reverend PhD. This ain't no honorary degree.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the real deal. This Manroe thesis squire, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. Reverendidierie is our very special guest on

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<v Speaker 2>this fed me Friday. Reverend Eurie, Welcome forward to the

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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<v Speaker 3>You know I love fat back Friday. That's all.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of you.

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<v Speaker 4>It says you found fat me.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, hey, let me ask you a question in the

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<v Speaker 2>fat back fat me No, No, fat means greasy. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that means greasy, but fat back is all

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<v Speaker 2>greasy and no meat on it anyway. Anyway, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>the probative nature, probing, digging, deeper, uh cross, examining, interrogating, reflecting, questioning,

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<v Speaker 2>nature of what Martin Luther King Junior, from your perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>is trying to achieve. On April nineteen sixty seven, in

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<v Speaker 2>this speech at the Riverside Church, Beyond the Vietnam A

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<v Speaker 2>moment to break silence, doctor Erie, our entire hour s yours.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's that's that's what we're doing. I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no of you. I thought you could do. See,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have a pre show before the show necessarily,

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<v Speaker 2>Gina kind of gives us the feedback. But when we

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<v Speaker 2>asked doctor.

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<v Speaker 5>Urie, I'm giving him right now to have a cup

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<v Speaker 5>of coffee, have a sip of whatever you need to

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<v Speaker 5>have a sip of.

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<v Speaker 2>We're giving you this ry gene.

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<v Speaker 4>We're giving him that moment I am not going to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about to Tyle was gracious enough. He was not

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<v Speaker 4>with us on Wednesday because he was flying. And I said, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>that little that little pep talk you gave us right

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<v Speaker 4>at the end, right there, that little sparkle, that little

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<v Speaker 4>angel dust.

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<v Speaker 2>You dropped in.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on back on Friday, let's talk about it. So

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<v Speaker 4>thank you talk.

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<v Speaker 2>For being however you want to posit yourself. We're more

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<v Speaker 2>than willing to receive the blessing that we know you offer.

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<v Speaker 3>The hearing in a few days we will.

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<v Speaker 6>Honor the observed holiday UH in honor of doctor King.

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<v Speaker 3>The last year of his life.

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<v Speaker 6>Kind of starts with this speech at Riverside Church, and

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<v Speaker 6>he is pulling the lens back to make sure that

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<v Speaker 6>our definition of justice is not so narrow until we

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<v Speaker 6>miss the broader sense of moral compass UH in theological

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<v Speaker 6>discourse to include the ever expanding military industrial complex. And

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<v Speaker 6>so I think his thoughts kind of focus us on

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<v Speaker 6>the economics of war and the fact that much of

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<v Speaker 6>the suffering that has been imposed on the human condition

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<v Speaker 6>has been the byproduct.

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<v Speaker 3>Of war and the byproduct of.

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<v Speaker 6>The militarizing of everything from local police forces to raising

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<v Speaker 6>the specter of the nuclearization that would lead to the

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<v Speaker 6>total annihilation of humankind. So I think he was giving

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<v Speaker 6>us a foreshadow of what we needed to focus on

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<v Speaker 6>in the near future.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I find interesting, Doctor Erie, is that

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<v Speaker 2>when I think in this moment about what you just said,

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<v Speaker 2>that of the hundreds of millions of speeches and orations,

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<v Speaker 2>billions maybe since the Crucifixion and the resurrection of Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>of Nazareth, that in this life and ministry, and in

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<v Speaker 2>this work of doctor King, he ties his work, in

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<v Speaker 2>his readings, in his scholarship, in his thinking, in the

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<v Speaker 2>language that he chooses, in the English language, he ties

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<v Speaker 2>his work to infinity. He ties it to it in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that we have to reflect upon it every

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<v Speaker 2>single day. That it doesn't just end because he said

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<v Speaker 2>this here, we are forced to go back and look

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<v Speaker 2>one more time at what he said, and we find

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<v Speaker 2>something new every time we read it. Because he gave

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<v Speaker 2>some consideration to sixty years in the future, he gave

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<v Speaker 2>some consideration to centuries from now. He gave some consideration

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<v Speaker 2>to what I say in the present actually matters to

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<v Speaker 2>our understanding of where this nation is going. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think beyond Vietnam, maybe four or five times, because I

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<v Speaker 2>will be speaking about it on Sunday and Monday. He

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<v Speaker 2>mentions Venezuela, Doctor Eerie, some folks get inspiration, other folks

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<v Speaker 2>get revelation.

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<v Speaker 6>The true meaning of a prophet is to be able

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<v Speaker 6>to give us a glimpse into a future that is

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<v Speaker 6>not yet realized, with a sense of responsibility and warning

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<v Speaker 6>that we not get so self consumed as to miss

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<v Speaker 6>the instruction. Doctor King was certainly expanding our understanding and

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<v Speaker 6>the awareness of the globe itself, where there's a significant

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<v Speaker 6>narrowing going on in real time, and at the same

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<v Speaker 6>time making sure that we understand that the oppression that

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<v Speaker 6>is felt in one part of the world extends to

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<v Speaker 6>other parts of the world almost simultaneously. And a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of that is the economic policy of the world superpowers

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<v Speaker 6>to the exclusion of and in the service of the

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<v Speaker 6>oppression of everybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Fat Back and Fat Meat Fridays on with Gina

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<v Speaker 2>Towns and our very special guests is doctor s todd

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<v Speaker 2>Eery More we come forward on k Talk. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>ja Let's Club on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. A

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<v Speaker 2>great to have our very special creator, Gina Towns is

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<v Speaker 2>our very special creator of the Jesse Jackson Junior Show

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<v Speaker 2>and none other than our Wednesday regular contributor on Wealthy Wednesdays,

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor S todd Yery Gina, welcome forward to your show.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thank you, Jesse, and I am excited that it

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<v Speaker 4>is the king weekend that there's actually it's been just

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<v Speaker 4>kind of a celebratory week and you know, I have

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<v Speaker 4>been encouraged that people have still felt like they could celebrate,

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<v Speaker 4>because certainly there is a lot to be concerned about.

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<v Speaker 4>The news continues to be what it is daily, but no,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's very important. And Reverend Urie, you know

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<v Speaker 4>that there's a time for everything under the sun, and

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<v Speaker 4>so we thank you for being here as well. I

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<v Speaker 4>do have a clip from Beyond Venezuela and then we'll

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<v Speaker 4>have you.

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<v Speaker 7>Un it's got Beyond Venezuela going on this weekend when

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<v Speaker 7>people even have a clip of that coming next week,

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<v Speaker 7>but at any rate, we'll have you on you when

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<v Speaker 7>you come back and.

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<v Speaker 2>On it. We can go with that clip.

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<v Speaker 8>I found myself and a call MHM when I read

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<v Speaker 8>this opening line, time comes when silence is betrayed.

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<v Speaker 9>That time has come for us in relation to Viegnam.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, Jesse Jackson, do you looking forward to the Jesse

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<v Speaker 10>Jackson Junior ShW We're having a technical difficulty with our

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<v Speaker 10>clip but let me ask where a doctor Murrick.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't mind. Doctor King, as we were sharing on

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<v Speaker 2>the outskirts of the program, gave some consideration to the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of infinity in his thinking.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the constraints that are placed on the willingness of

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<v Speaker 6>persons in power to think creatively about how to use

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<v Speaker 6>that power to the benefit of all humanity.

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<v Speaker 3>Was deeply troubling to doctor King.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess it's been several days now since I saw

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<v Speaker 6>an interview between Jake Tapper at CNN and Stephen Miller.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess the number two in the policy advisement space,

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<v Speaker 6>but number one in coming up with some of the

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<v Speaker 6>most curious and spurious foolishness to come out of this administration.

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<v Speaker 3>And basically, Stephen Miller.

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<v Speaker 6>Challenged Jake Tapper to say that he was naive that

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<v Speaker 6>since the beginning of history, government relationships between government have

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<v Speaker 6>been framed and shaped by power and force.

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<v Speaker 3>And so he was.

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<v Speaker 6>Basically making the case for what we see happening not

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<v Speaker 6>only in Venezuela, but and on the streets of Minneapolis

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<v Speaker 6>and quite possibly coming to a city near you. And

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<v Speaker 6>so this infinity focus of doctor King was to challenge

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<v Speaker 6>us not to think so narrowly about the impact and

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<v Speaker 6>the reach of the fight for social justice, because a

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<v Speaker 6>threat to justice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, doctor Eerie, when I wrote the book The

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<v Speaker 2>Finger of God, which is available at Amazon dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>and I haven't shared with everyone that, nor have I

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<v Speaker 2>done a show on it. But I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>clear the purpose of this book and the reason I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote this book is because I have given some consideration

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<v Speaker 2>to infinity. I need for all of our leaders, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to talk to me or convince me of

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<v Speaker 2>this or that, I need to know that you've given

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<v Speaker 2>some thought to an eternal message.

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<v Speaker 11>That you ain't just speaking in a moment moving the crowd,

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<v Speaker 11>got something to say, do what you do flying through

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<v Speaker 11>the pulpit or flying through the church tied to a

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<v Speaker 11>cable of something smoke mirrors, No, no, no. I need

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<v Speaker 11>to know that, beyond the magic tricks that you're trying

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<v Speaker 11>to perform for your congregation or for our people, and

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<v Speaker 11>call it legitimate leadership, that you've given some thought without

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<v Speaker 11>trappeezes and cables hauling you from the from the balcony

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<v Speaker 11>to the pulpit, and folk disconnecting you and your suit

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<v Speaker 11>specifically made to fit your harness so you can fly

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<v Speaker 11>through the air. I need to know that you've given

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<v Speaker 11>some thought to the idea that what you say this

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<v Speaker 11>Sunday is going to be as true five hundred sundays

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<v Speaker 11>from now as it is in the present moment. For me,

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<v Speaker 11>that matters, And it's clear to me, Doctor YERI that

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<v Speaker 11>doctor King gave some thought to the eternal nature of

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<v Speaker 11>almost everything that he wrote.

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<v Speaker 6>Doctor King was very thoughtful when he considered the role

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<v Speaker 6>of faith expression and the cause and the call for

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<v Speaker 6>the liberation of people, and so he was constantly learning,

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<v Speaker 6>not only about.

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<v Speaker 3>Christianity, but he was always.

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<v Speaker 6>Having conversations with folks from other perspectives. He studied Gandhi deeply.

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<v Speaker 6>He spent a lot of time with and in conversation

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<v Speaker 6>with Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heshel, who informed a good deal

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<v Speaker 6>of his thought. And I think the reason he did

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<v Speaker 6>that is he understood that no matter which perspective you

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<v Speaker 6>might take, there's always a period in someone's history where

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<v Speaker 6>they find themselves as the oppressed, not just the oppressor.

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<v Speaker 6>And as we have seen, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 6>doctor King kept pointing out. You mentioned the speech about Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 6>Before he did the speech in New York at Riverside

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<v Speaker 6>Church that April, he had done another speech in February

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<v Speaker 6>of that year in Los Angeles. The Casualties of the

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<v Speaker 6>War in Vietnam. He mentions five casualties. One was the

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<v Speaker 6>Charter of the United Nations. Two was the principle of

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<v Speaker 6>self determination. The third was the Great Society, this notion

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<v Speaker 6>of building the beloved community and focusing on those things

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<v Speaker 6>that affect the conditions of people. But the fourth and

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<v Speaker 6>the fifth are really really critical. The fourth casualty of

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<v Speaker 6>the war in Vietnam, he said, is the humility of

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<v Speaker 6>our nation. Said that he had to admit that our power,

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<v Speaker 6>the nation's power, United States power, has made the nation

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<v Speaker 6>arrogant when we consider that, he said, it's that arrogance

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<v Speaker 6>that causes us to lose sight. Their debates and battles

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<v Speaker 6>The picture of changing the name of the Department of

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<v Speaker 6>Vietnam is the principle of dissent. There's an intentional stifling

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<v Speaker 6>of hearing the voices that come from people who are

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<v Speaker 6>and as a matter of fact, their voices annoy the

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<v Speaker 6>the harm that they had caused. All of that craziness

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<v Speaker 6>is this reality. And doctor King was telling us be careful.

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<v Speaker 6>He was telling us this almost sixty years ago. Now

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<v Speaker 2>Are, you know, Tod. Let me share something with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I read this speech one hundred times, and people say

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<v Speaker 2>I read something one hundred times all the time I've

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<v Speaker 2>been at the seminary. I am sixty years old. I

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<v Speaker 2>have struggled, and everyone on this station and on this

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Mack about the World House. We talk about militarism,

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about materialism, we talk about racism. So we

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<v Speaker 2>deal with the Triple Evils. But I read the speech

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<v Speaker 2>in the last seventy two hours and I found something

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<v Speaker 2>different that I had not heard in the one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>times from seminary to the present forty years that I

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<v Speaker 2>now understand the pivotal. There are multiple pivots in this speech,

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<v Speaker 2>multiple turning points in this speech. It's called Beyond Vietnam,

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<v Speaker 2>A Time to Break the Silence. You should google it.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find it. A Time to Break the Silence.

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond Vietnam. April fourth, nineteen sixty seven by Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 2>King Junior. Let me tell what I found yesterday, Todd

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time. I'm sorry, Reverend Uie. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>share what I found. He said that as Americans, we

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<v Speaker 2>are not taking ownership of the fact that our iras,

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<v Speaker 2>our retirement, and our money and how we really feel

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<v Speaker 2>is tied to the exploitation of the people of Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 2>of Guatemala, of South Africa. That we wake up every

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<v Speaker 2>day hoping that the stock market itself does better, and

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<v Speaker 2>for it to do better, American oil companies have to

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<v Speaker 2>do well in Venezuela, and in this particular case, it

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<v Speaker 2>comes at the expense of the peasants in nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>eight of Vietnamese. In this particular case, Trump says, this

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<v Speaker 2>oil is ours. We're going to fix it. American oil

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<v Speaker 2>companies who contribute it to my campaign. Let's get ready

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<v Speaker 2>to take what we're going to take from Venezuela, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna help first America the stock market, and then

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<v Speaker 2>quality of life they've never had before. I've read the

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<v Speaker 2>two hours that I get it that our values, the

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<v Speaker 2>revolution and values that doctor King is trying to tell

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<v Speaker 2>us are thus. You may not want a Mexican to

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<v Speaker 2>be your neighbor, but you do want avocado. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>want a Venezuelan to live next to you, but you

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<v Speaker 2>do want lower gas prices. You may think that a

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<v Speaker 2>Nigerian comes from a shitthhole country, but you do want

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<v Speaker 2>your car lubed. You don't want or you want strawberries

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<v Speaker 2>and bananas from the from South America, but you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want them to live next door to you. Doctor King

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<v Speaker 2>is asking us to look at Wall Street and recognize

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<v Speaker 2>that the revolution of values is that we are tied

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<v Speaker 2>about a peasant in Vietnam as long as we're doing

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<v Speaker 2>better every day. And Doctor King in this speech, REVENUEARI

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<v Speaker 2>is slapping us upside our head. We've only got about

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, but I promise you the remaining twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 2>of this program is all yours.

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<v Speaker 6>With a minute, I'm going to mention a name that

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<v Speaker 6>we can carry over into the next segment that I

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<v Speaker 6>think informs how we have arrived here and we were

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<v Speaker 6>not paying attention. After Donald Trump was elected in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 6>he made a key appointment to his cabinet, and that

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<v Speaker 6>key appointment was troublesome them then, but it's clear to

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<v Speaker 6>me now. And that's when he named Rex Tillerson to

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<v Speaker 2>How about that. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to close the show. I'm lettinga talent to achia practiced this.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much. We are going to return. We're

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<v Speaker 4>going to come forward after this break and listening to

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<v Speaker 4>KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse Jackson Junior. This is the Central Standard Time meeting

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<v Speaker 2>the East Coast and the West Coast on Fat Meat

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<v Speaker 2>Fridays with Gina Towns, our regular contributor and creator of

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<v Speaker 2>the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, as well as Reverend doctor

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<v Speaker 2>s Todd Yeary, both a PhD. A lawyer, one foot

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<v Speaker 2>in the pulpit and one foot in the courtroom, both

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<v Speaker 2>feet in reality. He is the pastor of the Douglas

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<v Speaker 2>Memorial Church in Baltimore, Maryland. Gina, welcome forward to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>And Doctor Eri, welcome forward to the show.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks Jesse, I like hanging out on Fat Bag Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>We appreciate you being here. Hey, doctor Ery, I did

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<v Speaker 2>want to allow Gina to play this clip.

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<v Speaker 4>We want to try the clip again.

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<v Speaker 8>I found myself in full a call when I read

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<v Speaker 8>this old name line. I'm come when silence is betraying

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<v Speaker 8>that time has come for us.

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<v Speaker 12>In relation to Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 8>The truth of these words is beyond doubt, but the

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<v Speaker 8>mission to which they call us is.

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<v Speaker 9>The most difficult one.

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<v Speaker 8>Mm even when pressed by the demands of inner truth.

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<v Speaker 8>Men do not easily assume the task of opposing that

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<v Speaker 8>government's policy, especially in.

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<v Speaker 9>Time of war. Nor does the human spirit move.

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<v Speaker 8>Without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought

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<v Speaker 8>within one's own bosom.

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<v Speaker 9>And in the surrounding world.

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<v Speaker 8>Moreover, when the issues at hand seem as perplexing, as

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<v Speaker 9>In the case of this dreadful.

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<v Speaker 8>Conflict, we are always on the verge of being mesmerized

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<v Speaker 9>But we must move on.

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<v Speaker 8>Some of us who have already begun to break the

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<v Speaker 8>silence of the night, have found that the calling to

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<v Speaker 8>speak is often the vocation of agony.

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<v Speaker 12>But we must speak. We must speak with all the

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<v Speaker 12>humility that.

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<v Speaker 9>Is appropriate to our limited vision.

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<v Speaker 8>But we must speak. We must rejoice as well, for sure,

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<v Speaker 8>that this is the first time in our nation's history

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<v Speaker 8>that a significant number of.

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<v Speaker 9>Its religious leaders.

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<v Speaker 8>Have chosen to move beyond the prophesying of smooth patriotism

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<v Speaker 8>to the high grounds of a firm descent based upon

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<v Speaker 9>Of conscience and the reading of history.

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<v Speaker 8>Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us.

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<v Speaker 12>If it is, let.

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<v Speaker 8>Us trace its movements and pray that our own inner

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<v Speaker 12>We are deeply in need of a new way beyond the.

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<v Speaker 9>Darkness that seems so close around us.

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<v Speaker 8>Over the past two years, as I had moved to

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<v Speaker 8>break the portrayal of my own silences and to speak

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<v Speaker 8>from the burnings of my own heart, as I have

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<v Speaker 8>called a radical departures from the destruction of Vietnam, many

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<v Speaker 8>persons have frusted me about the wisdom of my path.

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<v Speaker 9>At the heart of that concerns, A square.

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<v Speaker 8>Has often mooned large and loud, while you speaking about

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<v Speaker 8>the world, a doctor, king, While are you joining the

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<v Speaker 8>bosses of descent?

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<v Speaker 9>Piece in civil rights? Don't mix?

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<v Speaker 8>They say?

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<v Speaker 9>Aren't you've heard of the cause of your people? They ask?

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<v Speaker 12>And when I hear them, though I.

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<v Speaker 8>Even understand the source of their concern, I am nevertheless

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<v Speaker 8>greatly sad. For such questions mean that the inquiries have

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<v Speaker 8>not really known my commitment of my calling. Indeed, bad

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<v Speaker 8>questions suggest that they do not know the world in

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<v Speaker 8>which they live. In the life of such tragic misunderstanding,

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<v Speaker 8>I be meant of sick no importance to try to

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<v Speaker 8>stay clearly, and I trust concisely.

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<v Speaker 9>While I believe that the path on Dexed Avenue Baptist Church,

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<v Speaker 8>Of Mondomery, Alabama, where I'm again my pastorate leads clearly

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<v Speaker 8>to this sanctuary tonight.

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<v Speaker 9>I come to this platform.

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<v Speaker 12>To night to make a passionate plea to my beloved nation.

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<v Speaker 8>This speech is not addressed to Hanoi or to the

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<v Speaker 5>Nor is it an.

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<v Speaker 8>Attempt to overlook the ambiguity of the total situation and

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<v Speaker 8>the need for a collective solution to the tragedy that

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<v Speaker 8>we had none. Neither is it an attempt to make

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<v Speaker 8>no Vietnam or the National Liberation Front Arragon's aversion not

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<v Speaker 8>to overlook the role they must play in the successful

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<v Speaker 8>resolution of the problem. While they both may have justifiable

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<v Speaker 8>life and history there ever can touch them on into

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<v Speaker 8>the fact conflicts are never e saw without trustful give

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<v Speaker 8>and take on both sides.

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<v Speaker 9>The night, however, I wish not.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been up at every morning for the last week

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<v Speaker 2>at three a m. In the morning, reflecting upon the speech,

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<v Speaker 2>playing it over and over and over again. I printed

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<v Speaker 2>out the PDF version of this speech, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>even more questions today than I had a year ago

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<v Speaker 2>about what doctor King is trying to tell us Gina

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<v Speaker 2>at this hour. And here's my initial thought. Because the

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<v Speaker 2>speech continues and he goes on specifically to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>our revolution of values, Doctor Yurie, and then he says

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<v Speaker 2>that our troops in Hanoi, our helicopters in Hanoi, the

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<v Speaker 2>loss of life that we are experiencing in Hanoi is

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<v Speaker 2>ti to.

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<v Speaker 3>Our desire.

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<v Speaker 2>To have equality of life in the United States that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't care very much for the peasants. We want rice,

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<v Speaker 2>we want gravy on our rice, but we're not prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to say that the rice patties are in Vietnam. We

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<v Speaker 2>want avocado on our salad, but we don't want no

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<v Speaker 2>Mexican neighbors. We want lower gas prices. We get the

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<v Speaker 2>Venezuelans out of here, keep the Nigerians out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor King is saying, until we are prepared to accept

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<v Speaker 2>that our values, the very things that we desire and

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<v Speaker 2>need every day to check the stock market, that it's

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<v Speaker 2>tied to someone else's exploitation somewhere else in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Eerie.

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<v Speaker 6>The next sentence as the clip was ending was where

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<v Speaker 6>Doctor King says, I want to talk to my fellow Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>So this has to be.

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<v Speaker 6>A family conversation at the table because we have to

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<v Speaker 6>reshape our understanding of how the world actually functions. You

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<v Speaker 6>that plural pronoun, I start asking, well, who is we?

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<v Speaker 2>Todd? You know I got to go to a break

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I promise you more on k Talk fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>eight when we come forward. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Will

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<v Speaker 2>come forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA

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<v Speaker 2>Talk fifteen eighty. This is Fat Meat Fridays. Our regular

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<v Speaker 2>contributor and host and creator of the Jesse Jackson Junior

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<v Speaker 2>Show is none other than Gina Town's. Gina Towns is

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<v Speaker 2>a Princeton Theological Seminary student with the Masters of Arts

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<v Speaker 2>and Theology, and Reverend doctor s Todd Yeri is our

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<v Speaker 2>very special guest from Wealthy Wednesdays on the Jesse Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>Junior Show. Doctor Yeri, Gina, welcome forward, Gina your thoughts well.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, thank you, Reverend doctor Uri Esquire for

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<v Speaker 4>joining us on Fat Meat Friday. We missed you on

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<v Speaker 4>Wednesday while you were traveling, and certainly we could not

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<v Speaker 4>go through the King Holiday without having your insight. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>one thing that I wanted to comment on about this

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<v Speaker 4>particular speech. It really kind of almost reminds me of

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<v Speaker 4>a Palm Sunday ish kind of message, you know, one

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<v Speaker 4>to the date that Doctor King would be assassinated, and

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<v Speaker 4>he has chosen to step into something that.

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<v Speaker 9>He already knows is.

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<v Speaker 4>Going to be a problem, and that will draw the

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<v Speaker 4>ire of many people, sometimes some people who would have

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<v Speaker 4>sided with him and have supported him throughout the movement,

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<v Speaker 4>but this particular issue was going to draw a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of criticism. Yet he chose to do it anyway. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think about the fact of he is following in

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<v Speaker 4>the footsteps as well of Jesus who made the decision

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<v Speaker 4>to go ahead and walk.

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<v Speaker 9>The road.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the Viadela Rotha, knowing even from the point that

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<v Speaker 4>he had to go raise Lazaruth. He's like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to make the decision to do it, and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>resolutely unapologetically, and he tells people that if you are

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<v Speaker 4>against me or criticize me in this moment, then you never.

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<v Speaker 2>Really knew me.

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<v Speaker 4>It reminds me of Jesus saying, away from me, you

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<v Speaker 4>evil do her? You know, because people, well, when did

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<v Speaker 4>I not give you something to drink? When did I

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<v Speaker 4>not come and visit you in prison?

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<v Speaker 2>Is away from me?

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<v Speaker 4>You never knew me. And it is a very dramatic

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<v Speaker 4>moment in the life of doctor King when he draws

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<v Speaker 4>this out and he sets the stage for the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of this speech.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a big speech, but it's informed by a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of intense personal introspection and wrestling. Doctor King was already despised. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>a prophet is not without honor except in his own home.

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<v Speaker 6>His own community didn't trust him. This idealic attitude about

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<v Speaker 6>doctor King posthumously is not where the world was in

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<v Speaker 6>that last year of his life. He was the most

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<v Speaker 6>hated black man in the country. And that wasn't just

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<v Speaker 6>from the oppressor class. This was even amongst his own

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<v Speaker 6>folk and from the very early days when he was

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<v Speaker 6>a dexter church in Montgomery. The way he ends up

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<v Speaker 6>leading the movement is because the other preachers who had tenure,

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like they had too much to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>No, how about that, right.

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<v Speaker 9>So.

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<v Speaker 6>This sense is is doctor King uses what we all have,

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<v Speaker 6>but we don't always all use. And that's his voice.

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<v Speaker 6>He's able to have a conversation wherever he is in

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<v Speaker 6>the conversation to raise the awareness and the consciousness about

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<v Speaker 6>the issue, the moral issues of the day that matter,

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<v Speaker 6>and then frame them such that there is a sense

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<v Speaker 6>of personal accountability.

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<v Speaker 3>We have lost that.

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<v Speaker 6>In some degree, not because we can't find it, but

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<v Speaker 6>because we've abandoned it because with it. Remember this is

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<v Speaker 6>after right, dog King's house has already been bombed, there's

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<v Speaker 6>already been personal physical threats on his very life. And

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<v Speaker 6>yet what he does is not create some specter where

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<v Speaker 6>he gives the Nobel Prize that he received in a frame,

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<v Speaker 6>to take it to the White House and present it,

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<v Speaker 6>say I want to give this to you, as if

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<v Speaker 6>the symbolic meaning of being the award ee means nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>Now we just give it like it's some sort of

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<v Speaker 6>trinket to whoever we choose, regardless of what their record is.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it speaks to the moment that doctor King's memory,

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<v Speaker 6>but also his embodiment, the resonance of his voice in

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<v Speaker 6>this moment is bigger than the March on Washington for

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<v Speaker 6>jobs and freedom, though that's still critical. But we cannot

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<v Speaker 6>keep nineteen sixty three in isolation and leave nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 6>seven sixty eight disconnected. They are part of the same

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<v Speaker 6>struggle if we're going to be true to the prophetic

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<v Speaker 6>mantle that the spirit of the Lord God is in me,

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<v Speaker 6>and God has anointed me to use my voice to

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<v Speaker 6>proclaim a change in the existential condition and reality of

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<v Speaker 6>the people who find themselves amongst that class called the oppressed.

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<v Speaker 2>And you and Gina got me thinking, I need another hour.

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't gonna lie to you because I'm thinking Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>King is gone. He is assassinated in Memphis, tennesseee, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's aged thirty nine thirty nine say it, thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty nine, thirty nine. Men old black preachers had a

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<v Speaker 2>problem with this nobel laureate. They had a problem with

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<v Speaker 2>the clarity that doctor King was bringing to the gospels,

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<v Speaker 2>White evangelical field. Who is this dude man, who is

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<v Speaker 2>this young cat on the stage with all of this

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<v Speaker 2>thinking by what authority does he speak?

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<v Speaker 4>Sounds like the Sanhedri.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean doctor King was at thirty nine years old,

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<v Speaker 2>a young guy raising Cain, and he was a problem

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<v Speaker 2>for everybody. Joseph Jackson in the Baptist convention and the preachers.

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<v Speaker 2>And then here he is writing letters to white evangelical

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<v Speaker 2>preachers saying, of course I belong here. He is taking

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<v Speaker 2>them through a seminary course and a theological exercise that

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<v Speaker 2>black preachers who've been preaching the gospel for decades we're

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<v Speaker 2>not willing to do. I mean, he's challenging them. Then

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<v Speaker 2>he's challenging the body politics. He's meeting with Kennedy, he's

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with Johnson, he's meeting with Robert F. Kennedy. The

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<v Speaker 2>press is focusing on him. That these brothers and sisters

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<v Speaker 2>had a problem with this young guy who knew what

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<v Speaker 2>to say and didn't need no notes, who knew the

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<v Speaker 2>gospel better than they did, and worked towards Paulinium application

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<v Speaker 2>of the gospel. We only have about two minutes on

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<v Speaker 2>this list on the show, but come on, now, come

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<v Speaker 2>on now, listen.

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<v Speaker 6>Somewhere along the line, we felt that it was safer

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<v Speaker 6>and more expedient to make the Gospel of Jesus Christ,

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<v Speaker 6>Jesus who is the Christ? That gospel a gimmick. When

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<v Speaker 6>it's a gimmick, When when Jesus engages Peter who do

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<v Speaker 6>people say that I the Son of Man am. They

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<v Speaker 6>go through that whole conversation. Some say you're one of

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<v Speaker 6>the prophets or you know. He goes back, well, who

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<v Speaker 6>do you say that I am now at the Christ

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<v Speaker 6>And then Jesus says something profound. You are, Peter, and

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<v Speaker 6>upon this rock I will build not the church definitive article,

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<v Speaker 6>but my church. See every church is not the church

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<v Speaker 6>that Jesus is speaking to. So everybody find the church

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<v Speaker 6>where you're supposed to be and do what the Lord

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<v Speaker 6>is calling you to do so that you can help

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<v Speaker 6>change the existential reality of people. Even if your voice

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<v Speaker 6>has to resonate after you're long gone.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it is the end of this hour. Todd, thank

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<v Speaker 4>you so much for being here with us. We will

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<v Speaker 4>continue to celebrate doctor King. We come forward on Monday,

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<v Speaker 4>and if you want to join us, please be welcome.

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<v Speaker 4>But we certainly hope the rest of our audience will

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<v Speaker 4>join us on Monday as we continue our celebration of

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<v Speaker 4>doctor King. This is the Jesse Jackson Junior Show Talk

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<v Speaker 4>KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty