1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,919 Speaker 1: Download Dad, I just can't hit that note. Come talk 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:10,160 with me, you know, oh well for that. I'm Jesse Jackson, Jr. 3 00:00:10,199 --> 00:00:13,400 Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBL 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,119 Talk fifteen to eighty. I was just sharing with our 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,160 producer that I can't hit that note, but if I could, 6 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:17,839 I would sing it. 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: Come talk with me. I can't get that, I can't 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,440 do it. Our very special guest in this hour is 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,039 none other than one a man who has one foot 10 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:31,399 in the pulpit and one foot in the courtroom, but 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,320 both feet in reality. His contribution on Wealthy Wednesdays on 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,280 the Jesse Jackson Junior Show is the turning point of 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,439 our week because we rely upon the thoughtful thinking of 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,920 none other than doctor Reverend PhD. This ain't no honorary degree. 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,759 This is the real deal. This Manroe thesis squire, Yeah, 16 00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:55,479 all of that. Reverendidierie is our very special guest on 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,679 this fed me Friday. Reverend Eurie, Welcome forward to the 18 00:00:57,719 --> 00:00:58,880 Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 19 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:02,039 Speaker 3: You know I love fat back Friday. That's all. 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: For those of you. 21 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,239 Speaker 4: It says you found fat me. 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: Hey, hey, let me ask you a question in the 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:26,920 fat back fat me No, No, fat means greasy. Oh okay, 24 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:30,159 I mean that means greasy, but fat back is all 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:38,439 greasy and no meat on it anyway. Anyway, hey, listen, 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:51,599 the probative nature, probing, digging, deeper, uh cross, examining, interrogating, reflecting, questioning, 27 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,680 nature of what Martin Luther King Junior, from your perspective, 28 00:01:56,799 --> 00:02:04,159 is trying to achieve. On April nineteen sixty seven, in 29 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:09,400 this speech at the Riverside Church, Beyond the Vietnam A 30 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:14,240 moment to break silence, doctor Erie, our entire hour s yours. 31 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: So that's that's that's what we're doing. I get it. 32 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: No, no, no of you. I thought you could do. See, 33 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,520 we don't have a pre show before the show necessarily, 34 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,120 Gina kind of gives us the feedback. But when we 35 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:31,360 asked doctor. 36 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 5: Urie, I'm giving him right now to have a cup 37 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:36,639 of coffee, have a sip of whatever you need to 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,439 have a sip of. 39 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: We're giving you this ry gene. 40 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,159 Speaker 4: We're giving him that moment I am not going to 41 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,960 talk about to Tyle was gracious enough. He was not 42 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:54,759 with us on Wednesday because he was flying. And I said, listen, 43 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,439 that little that little pep talk you gave us right 44 00:02:57,439 --> 00:02:59,840 at the end, right there, that little sparkle, that little 45 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:01,680 angel dust. 46 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:02,199 Speaker 2: You dropped in. 47 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:05,879 Speaker 4: Come on back on Friday, let's talk about it. So 48 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:07,039 thank you talk. 49 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: For being however you want to posit yourself. We're more 50 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:13,560 than willing to receive the blessing that we know you offer. 51 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: The hearing in a few days we will. 52 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 6: Honor the observed holiday UH in honor of doctor King. 53 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 3: The last year of his life. 54 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 6: Kind of starts with this speech at Riverside Church, and 55 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:41,560 he is pulling the lens back to make sure that 56 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:46,719 our definition of justice is not so narrow until we 57 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:52,319 miss the broader sense of moral compass UH in theological 58 00:03:52,360 --> 00:04:00,280 discourse to include the ever expanding military industrial complex. And 59 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:04,960 so I think his thoughts kind of focus us on 60 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:11,400 the economics of war and the fact that much of 61 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:16,399 the suffering that has been imposed on the human condition 62 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,199 has been the byproduct. 63 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: Of war and the byproduct of. 64 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:29,639 Speaker 6: The militarizing of everything from local police forces to raising 65 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:33,480 the specter of the nuclearization that would lead to the 66 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:37,759 total annihilation of humankind. So I think he was giving 67 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,160 us a foreshadow of what we needed to focus on 68 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,040 in the near future. 69 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: You know what I find interesting, Doctor Erie, is that 70 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,759 when I think in this moment about what you just said, 71 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:52,720 that of the hundreds of millions of speeches and orations, 72 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:57,720 billions maybe since the Crucifixion and the resurrection of Jesus 73 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,759 of Nazareth, that in this life and ministry, and in 74 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,920 this work of doctor King, he ties his work, in 75 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,600 his readings, in his scholarship, in his thinking, in the 76 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:16,120 language that he chooses, in the English language, he ties 77 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:21,160 his work to infinity. He ties it to it in 78 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,600 a way that we have to reflect upon it every 79 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:30,240 single day. That it doesn't just end because he said 80 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,519 this here, we are forced to go back and look 81 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:38,279 one more time at what he said, and we find 82 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:42,480 something new every time we read it. Because he gave 83 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,079 some consideration to sixty years in the future, he gave 84 00:05:46,199 --> 00:05:51,439 some consideration to centuries from now. He gave some consideration 85 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:58,040 to what I say in the present actually matters to 86 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,319 our understanding of where this nation is going. And I 87 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,199 think beyond Vietnam, maybe four or five times, because I 88 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,560 will be speaking about it on Sunday and Monday. He 89 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:18,439 mentions Venezuela, Doctor Eerie, some folks get inspiration, other folks 90 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:19,160 get revelation. 91 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 6: The true meaning of a prophet is to be able 92 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,399 to give us a glimpse into a future that is 93 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:33,759 not yet realized, with a sense of responsibility and warning 94 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:41,160 that we not get so self consumed as to miss 95 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,600 the instruction. Doctor King was certainly expanding our understanding and 96 00:06:47,639 --> 00:06:52,639 the awareness of the globe itself, where there's a significant 97 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,439 narrowing going on in real time, and at the same 98 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:01,839 time making sure that we understand that the oppression that 99 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,560 is felt in one part of the world extends to 100 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,279 other parts of the world almost simultaneously. And a lot 101 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,800 of that is the economic policy of the world superpowers 102 00:07:12,959 --> 00:07:16,720 to the exclusion of and in the service of the 103 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,240 oppression of everybody else. 104 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: It's Fat Back and Fat Meat Fridays on with Gina 105 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:24,079 Towns and our very special guests is doctor s todd 106 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,600 Eery More we come forward on k Talk. It's the 107 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:34,160 ja Let's Club on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. A 108 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,759 great to have our very special creator, Gina Towns is 109 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,879 our very special creator of the Jesse Jackson Junior Show 110 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,680 and none other than our Wednesday regular contributor on Wealthy Wednesdays, 111 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,600 Doctor S todd Yery Gina, welcome forward to your show. 112 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 4: Well, thank you, Jesse, and I am excited that it 113 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:58,319 is the king weekend that there's actually it's been just 114 00:07:58,439 --> 00:08:03,560 kind of a celebratory week and you know, I have 115 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:07,240 been encouraged that people have still felt like they could celebrate, 116 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,079 because certainly there is a lot to be concerned about. 117 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:15,879 The news continues to be what it is daily, but no, 118 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,959 I think it's very important. And Reverend Urie, you know 119 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,279 that there's a time for everything under the sun, and 120 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,319 so we thank you for being here as well. I 121 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:32,399 do have a clip from Beyond Venezuela and then we'll 122 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:32,679 have you. 123 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 7: Un it's got Beyond Venezuela going on this weekend when 124 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:44,159 people even have a clip of that coming next week, 125 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,240 but at any rate, we'll have you on you when 126 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,000 you come back and. 127 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,039 Speaker 2: On it. We can go with that clip. 128 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 8: I found myself and a call MHM when I read 129 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:08,919 this opening line, time comes when silence is betrayed. 130 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:15,279 Speaker 9: That time has come for us in relation to Viegnam. 131 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 10: Okay, Jesse Jackson, do you looking forward to the Jesse 132 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:30,279 Jackson Junior ShW We're having a technical difficulty with our 133 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:32,120 clip but let me ask where a doctor Murrick. 134 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: He doesn't mind. Doctor King, as we were sharing on 135 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,000 the outskirts of the program, gave some consideration to the 136 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:42,720 idea of infinity in his thinking. 137 00:09:48,840 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, the constraints that are placed on the willingness of 138 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,000 persons in power to think creatively about how to use 139 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:11,279 that power to the benefit of all humanity. 140 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,279 Speaker 3: Was deeply troubling to doctor King. 141 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:21,039 Speaker 6: I guess it's been several days now since I saw 142 00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:25,879 an interview between Jake Tapper at CNN and Stephen Miller. 143 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,720 I guess the number two in the policy advisement space, 144 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:33,279 but number one in coming up with some of the 145 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:39,480 most curious and spurious foolishness to come out of this administration. 146 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 3: And basically, Stephen Miller. 147 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 6: Challenged Jake Tapper to say that he was naive that 148 00:10:47,399 --> 00:10:54,679 since the beginning of history, government relationships between government have 149 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:57,720 been framed and shaped by power and force. 150 00:10:59,200 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 3: And so he was. 151 00:10:59,639 --> 00:11:03,759 Speaker 6: Basically making the case for what we see happening not 152 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:11,360 only in Venezuela, but and on the streets of Minneapolis 153 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,840 and quite possibly coming to a city near you. And 154 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:24,000 so this infinity focus of doctor King was to challenge 155 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,320 us not to think so narrowly about the impact and 156 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:34,879 the reach of the fight for social justice, because a 157 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:38,799 threat to justice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. 158 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,879 Speaker 2: You know, doctor Eerie, when I wrote the book The 159 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:46,440 Finger of God, which is available at Amazon dot com, 160 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,360 and I haven't shared with everyone that, nor have I 161 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:51,720 done a show on it. But I want to be 162 00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:55,480 clear the purpose of this book and the reason I 163 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,919 wrote this book is because I have given some consideration 164 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,639 to infinity. I need for all of our leaders, if 165 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,919 you want to talk to me or convince me of 166 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:10,159 this or that, I need to know that you've given 167 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,519 some thought to an eternal message. 168 00:12:13,039 --> 00:12:16,159 Speaker 11: That you ain't just speaking in a moment moving the crowd, 169 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:20,080 got something to say, do what you do flying through 170 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,000 the pulpit or flying through the church tied to a 171 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:28,279 cable of something smoke mirrors, No, no, no. I need 172 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,240 to know that, beyond the magic tricks that you're trying 173 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,360 to perform for your congregation or for our people, and 174 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,399 call it legitimate leadership, that you've given some thought without 175 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:46,440 trappeezes and cables hauling you from the from the balcony 176 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:49,639 to the pulpit, and folk disconnecting you and your suit 177 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,279 specifically made to fit your harness so you can fly 178 00:12:53,399 --> 00:12:56,279 through the air. I need to know that you've given 179 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,320 some thought to the idea that what you say this 180 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:04,919 Sunday is going to be as true five hundred sundays 181 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:09,120 from now as it is in the present moment. For me, 182 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,399 that matters, And it's clear to me, Doctor YERI that 183 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,840 doctor King gave some thought to the eternal nature of 184 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,240 almost everything that he wrote. 185 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:28,879 Speaker 6: Doctor King was very thoughtful when he considered the role 186 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:35,080 of faith expression and the cause and the call for 187 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,559 the liberation of people, and so he was constantly learning, 188 00:13:40,919 --> 00:13:43,360 not only about. 189 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,279 Speaker 3: Christianity, but he was always. 190 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 6: Having conversations with folks from other perspectives. He studied Gandhi deeply. 191 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:59,200 He spent a lot of time with and in conversation 192 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:06,480 with Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heshel, who informed a good deal 193 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,039 of his thought. And I think the reason he did 194 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,600 that is he understood that no matter which perspective you 195 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,480 might take, there's always a period in someone's history where 196 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:23,960 they find themselves as the oppressed, not just the oppressor. 197 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,759 And as we have seen, one of the things that 198 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:35,639 doctor King kept pointing out. You mentioned the speech about Vietnam. 199 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,759 Before he did the speech in New York at Riverside 200 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:49,159 Church that April, he had done another speech in February 201 00:14:49,399 --> 00:14:57,000 of that year in Los Angeles. The Casualties of the 202 00:14:57,039 --> 00:15:03,519 War in Vietnam. He mentions five casualties. One was the 203 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,240 Charter of the United Nations. Two was the principle of 204 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:18,679 self determination. The third was the Great Society, this notion 205 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,320 of building the beloved community and focusing on those things 206 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,759 that affect the conditions of people. But the fourth and 207 00:15:26,799 --> 00:15:29,759 the fifth are really really critical. The fourth casualty of 208 00:15:29,759 --> 00:15:33,000 the war in Vietnam, he said, is the humility of 209 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:38,960 our nation. Said that he had to admit that our power, 210 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,639 the nation's power, United States power, has made the nation 211 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,960 arrogant when we consider that, he said, it's that arrogance 212 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:53,120 that causes us to lose sight. Their debates and battles 213 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:55,000 about how we're going to address poverty, how we're going 214 00:15:55,039 --> 00:15:58,879 to make sure folks get health care. We can't seem 215 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:04,600 to get a war powers resolution through because there's this arrogance. 216 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:07,840 The picture of changing the name of the Department of 217 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,240 Defense to the Department of War. And then the fifth 218 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,440 casualty is the one that we see happening every day 219 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,240 on our television. The fifth casualty of the war in 220 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:23,399 Vietnam is the principle of dissent. There's an intentional stifling 221 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:26,519 of hearing the voices that come from people who are 222 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:30,399 living on the margins, as if their voices do not matter, 223 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,080 and as a matter of fact, their voices annoy the 224 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,600 government to the degree that we could see something as 225 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:44,279 horrific as the shooting of someone in broad daylight with 226 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:50,919 no aid, no assistance, no attempt to remedy or mitigate 227 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,799 the harm that they had caused. All of that craziness 228 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:57,720 is this reality. And doctor King was telling us be careful. 229 00:16:58,879 --> 00:17:02,000 He was telling us this almost sixty years ago. Now 230 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:03,480 and here we. 231 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:05,519 Speaker 2: Are, you know, Tod. Let me share something with you. 232 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,279 I read this speech one hundred times, and people say 233 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:11,039 I read something one hundred times all the time I've 234 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:14,759 been at the seminary. I am sixty years old. I 235 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:18,039 have struggled, and everyone on this station and on this 236 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,640 show has heard me. Every Thursday, have a conversation with 237 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,640 Johnny Mack about the World House. We talk about militarism, 238 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,200 we talk about materialism, we talk about racism. So we 239 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:31,680 deal with the Triple Evils. But I read the speech 240 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:34,440 in the last seventy two hours and I found something 241 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,400 different that I had not heard in the one hundred 242 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:42,160 times from seminary to the present forty years that I 243 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:48,079 now understand the pivotal. There are multiple pivots in this speech, 244 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:52,960 multiple turning points in this speech. It's called Beyond Vietnam, 245 00:17:54,279 --> 00:17:58,000 A Time to Break the Silence. You should google it. 246 00:17:58,079 --> 00:18:01,559 You can find it. A Time to Break the Silence. 247 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,880 Beyond Vietnam. April fourth, nineteen sixty seven by Martin Luther 248 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,000 King Junior. Let me tell what I found yesterday, Todd 249 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:09,160 for the first time. I'm sorry, Reverend Uie. Let me 250 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:15,200 share what I found. He said that as Americans, we 251 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:21,240 are not taking ownership of the fact that our iras, 252 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:27,079 our retirement, and our money and how we really feel 253 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,559 is tied to the exploitation of the people of Venezuela, 254 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:36,039 of Guatemala, of South Africa. That we wake up every 255 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,400 day hoping that the stock market itself does better, and 256 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:46,359 for it to do better, American oil companies have to 257 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:51,039 do well in Venezuela, and in this particular case, it 258 00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:53,920 comes at the expense of the peasants in nineteen sixty 259 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:59,440 eight of Vietnamese. In this particular case, Trump says, this 260 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:03,319 oil is ours. We're going to fix it. American oil 261 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:06,519 companies who contribute it to my campaign. Let's get ready 262 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:08,680 to take what we're going to take from Venezuela, and 263 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:13,119 we're gonna help first America the stock market, and then 264 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,000 we're going to provide the people of Venezuela with a 265 00:19:16,079 --> 00:19:19,480 quality of life they've never had before. I've read the 266 00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:25,640 speech one hundred times, but it's not until today, seventy 267 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:31,599 two hours that I get it that our values, the 268 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,039 revolution and values that doctor King is trying to tell 269 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:40,960 us are thus. You may not want a Mexican to 270 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:48,279 be your neighbor, but you do want avocado. You don't 271 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:52,119 want a Venezuelan to live next to you, but you 272 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:57,359 do want lower gas prices. You may think that a 273 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,279 Nigerian comes from a shitthhole country, but you do want 274 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:10,400 your car lubed. You don't want or you want strawberries 275 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,720 and bananas from the from South America, but you don't 276 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,319 want them to live next door to you. Doctor King 277 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:24,079 is asking us to look at Wall Street and recognize 278 00:20:24,079 --> 00:20:28,079 that the revolution of values is that we are tied 279 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:33,920 to the very system of exploitation because we want our 280 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:37,000 a's and our stock in the stock market to do 281 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:40,079 well for us today. And we don't give a damn 282 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,920 about a peasant in Vietnam as long as we're doing 283 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,000 better every day. And Doctor King in this speech, REVENUEARI 284 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,720 is slapping us upside our head. We've only got about 285 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:54,359 a minute, but I promise you the remaining twenty minutes 286 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,599 of this program is all yours. 287 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,839 Speaker 6: With a minute, I'm going to mention a name that 288 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,480 we can carry over into the next segment that I 289 00:21:06,519 --> 00:21:10,119 think informs how we have arrived here and we were 290 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:16,440 not paying attention. After Donald Trump was elected in twenty sixteen, 291 00:21:16,599 --> 00:21:20,640 he made a key appointment to his cabinet, and that 292 00:21:20,759 --> 00:21:25,279 key appointment was troublesome them then, but it's clear to 293 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,319 me now. And that's when he named Rex Tillerson to 294 00:21:28,319 --> 00:21:37,240 be the Secretary of State. He was a former Exon 295 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:42,599 oil executive to be the secretary of State. 296 00:21:46,599 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 2: How about that. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. I'm not going 297 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,359 to close the show. I'm lettinga talent to achia practiced this. 298 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. We are going to return. We're 299 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,359 going to come forward after this break and listening to 300 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,279 KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. 301 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,599 Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson Junior. This is the Central Standard Time meeting 302 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,759 the East Coast and the West Coast on Fat Meat 303 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:14,559 Fridays with Gina Towns, our regular contributor and creator of 304 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:17,680 the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, as well as Reverend doctor 305 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:21,960 s Todd Yeary, both a PhD. A lawyer, one foot 306 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:24,680 in the pulpit and one foot in the courtroom, both 307 00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:27,720 feet in reality. He is the pastor of the Douglas 308 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:33,119 Memorial Church in Baltimore, Maryland. Gina, welcome forward to the show. 309 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,839 And Doctor Eri, welcome forward to the show. 310 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:41,039 Speaker 6: Thanks Jesse, I like hanging out on Fat Bag Friday. 311 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 2: We appreciate you being here. Hey, doctor Ery, I did 312 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,279 want to allow Gina to play this clip. 313 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,519 Speaker 4: We want to try the clip again. 314 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 8: I found myself in full a call when I read 315 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:02,319 this old name line. I'm come when silence is betraying 316 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,559 that time has come for us. 317 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 12: In relation to Vietnam. 318 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:17,039 Speaker 8: The truth of these words is beyond doubt, but the 319 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,640 mission to which they call us is. 320 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:22,039 Speaker 9: The most difficult one. 321 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 8: Mm even when pressed by the demands of inner truth. 322 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,759 Men do not easily assume the task of opposing that 323 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,519 government's policy, especially in. 324 00:23:36,599 --> 00:23:41,319 Speaker 9: Time of war. Nor does the human spirit move. 325 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:47,079 Speaker 8: Without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought 326 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,519 within one's own bosom. 327 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 9: And in the surrounding world. 328 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 8: Moreover, when the issues at hand seem as perplexing, as 329 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,119 they often do. 330 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 9: In the case of this dreadful. 331 00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 8: Conflict, we are always on the verge of being mesmerized 332 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:10,200 by uncertainty. 333 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 9: But we must move on. 334 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 8: Some of us who have already begun to break the 335 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,319 silence of the night, have found that the calling to 336 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,119 speak is often the vocation of agony. 337 00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 12: But we must speak. We must speak with all the 338 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,759 humility that. 339 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:34,839 Speaker 9: Is appropriate to our limited vision. 340 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 8: But we must speak. We must rejoice as well, for sure, 341 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,880 that this is the first time in our nation's history 342 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,319 that a significant number of. 343 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 9: Its religious leaders. 344 00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 8: Have chosen to move beyond the prophesying of smooth patriotism 345 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,079 to the high grounds of a firm descent based upon 346 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,119 the manding. 347 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,279 Speaker 9: Of conscience and the reading of history. 348 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:09,759 Speaker 8: Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. 349 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,279 Speaker 12: If it is, let. 350 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 8: Us trace its movements and pray that our own inner 351 00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:20,759 being may be sensitive to its guidance. 352 00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:24,559 Speaker 12: We are deeply in need of a new way beyond the. 353 00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 9: Darkness that seems so close around us. 354 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 8: Over the past two years, as I had moved to 355 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:36,640 break the portrayal of my own silences and to speak 356 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,720 from the burnings of my own heart, as I have 357 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,559 called a radical departures from the destruction of Vietnam, many 358 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,400 persons have frusted me about the wisdom of my path. 359 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 9: At the heart of that concerns, A square. 360 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,599 Speaker 8: Has often mooned large and loud, while you speaking about 361 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,759 the world, a doctor, king, While are you joining the 362 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,200 bosses of descent? 363 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 9: Piece in civil rights? Don't mix? 364 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:09,839 Speaker 8: They say? 365 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 9: Aren't you've heard of the cause of your people? They ask? 366 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 12: And when I hear them, though I. 367 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,599 Speaker 8: Even understand the source of their concern, I am nevertheless 368 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:27,799 greatly sad. For such questions mean that the inquiries have 369 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:33,960 not really known my commitment of my calling. Indeed, bad 370 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:38,559 questions suggest that they do not know the world in 371 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:45,000 which they live. In the life of such tragic misunderstanding, 372 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,480 I be meant of sick no importance to try to 373 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,680 stay clearly, and I trust concisely. 374 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 9: While I believe that the path on Dexed Avenue Baptist Church, 375 00:26:58,079 --> 00:26:58,680 the Church. 376 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 8: Of Mondomery, Alabama, where I'm again my pastorate leads clearly 377 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,039 to this sanctuary tonight. 378 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 9: I come to this platform. 379 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,079 Speaker 12: To night to make a passionate plea to my beloved nation. 380 00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:17,039 Speaker 8: This speech is not addressed to Hanoi or to the 381 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,839 National Liberation Front. It is not addressed to China or 382 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,079 to Russia. 383 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 5: Nor is it an. 384 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:31,039 Speaker 8: Attempt to overlook the ambiguity of the total situation and 385 00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:34,519 the need for a collective solution to the tragedy that 386 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:38,319 we had none. Neither is it an attempt to make 387 00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:45,319 no Vietnam or the National Liberation Front Arragon's aversion not 388 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:49,680 to overlook the role they must play in the successful 389 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:55,200 resolution of the problem. While they both may have justifiable 390 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:59,640 reasons to be suspicious of the faith in the United States, 391 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,440 life and history there ever can touch them on into 392 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,240 the fact conflicts are never e saw without trustful give 393 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:10,880 and take on both sides. 394 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:13,279 Speaker 9: The night, however, I wish not. 395 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,079 Speaker 2: I've been up at every morning for the last week 396 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,960 at three a m. In the morning, reflecting upon the speech, 397 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,279 playing it over and over and over again. I printed 398 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:26,240 out the PDF version of this speech, and I have 399 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,839 even more questions today than I had a year ago 400 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,519 about what doctor King is trying to tell us Gina 401 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,559 at this hour. And here's my initial thought. Because the 402 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:40,079 speech continues and he goes on specifically to talk about 403 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:45,839 our revolution of values, Doctor Yurie, and then he says 404 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:54,599 that our troops in Hanoi, our helicopters in Hanoi, the 405 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,519 loss of life that we are experiencing in Hanoi is 406 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,000 ti to. 407 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: Our desire. 408 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: To have equality of life in the United States that 409 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:13,160 doesn't care very much for the peasants. We want rice, 410 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,480 we want gravy on our rice, but we're not prepared 411 00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:26,200 to say that the rice patties are in Vietnam. We 412 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:30,200 want avocado on our salad, but we don't want no 413 00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:38,799 Mexican neighbors. We want lower gas prices. We get the 414 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:43,839 Venezuelans out of here, keep the Nigerians out of here. 415 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,599 Doctor King is saying, until we are prepared to accept 416 00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:55,680 that our values, the very things that we desire and 417 00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:59,799 need every day to check the stock market, that it's 418 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:04,440 tied to someone else's exploitation somewhere else in the world, 419 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:06,440 Doctor Eerie. 420 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 6: The next sentence as the clip was ending was where 421 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,920 Doctor King says, I want to talk to my fellow Americans. 422 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 3: So this has to be. 423 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 6: A family conversation at the table because we have to 424 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:38,960 reshape our understanding of how the world actually functions. You 425 00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:43,440 use the pronoun wei. Every time I hear that pronoun, 426 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,519 that plural pronoun, I start asking, well, who is we? 427 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:53,039 Speaker 2: Todd? You know I got to go to a break 428 00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:56,799 right now. I promise you more on k Talk fifteen 429 00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:59,279 eight when we come forward. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Will 430 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:01,640 come forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA 431 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,960 Talk fifteen eighty. This is Fat Meat Fridays. Our regular 432 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,039 contributor and host and creator of the Jesse Jackson Junior 433 00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:11,920 Show is none other than Gina Town's. Gina Towns is 434 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,480 a Princeton Theological Seminary student with the Masters of Arts 435 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,359 and Theology, and Reverend doctor s Todd Yeri is our 436 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,880 very special guest from Wealthy Wednesdays on the Jesse Jackson 437 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:29,680 Junior Show. Doctor Yeri, Gina, welcome forward, Gina your thoughts well. 438 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:35,839 Speaker 4: First of all, thank you, Reverend doctor Uri Esquire for 439 00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,920 joining us on Fat Meat Friday. We missed you on 440 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,759 Wednesday while you were traveling, and certainly we could not 441 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,559 go through the King Holiday without having your insight. You know, 442 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,000 one thing that I wanted to comment on about this 443 00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:54,039 particular speech. It really kind of almost reminds me of 444 00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:59,799 a Palm Sunday ish kind of message, you know, one 445 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,759 to the date that Doctor King would be assassinated, and 446 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:09,039 he has chosen to step into something that. 447 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,319 Speaker 9: He already knows is. 448 00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 4: Going to be a problem, and that will draw the 449 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:18,160 ire of many people, sometimes some people who would have 450 00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:22,559 sided with him and have supported him throughout the movement, 451 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000 but this particular issue was going to draw a lot 452 00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:29,359 of criticism. Yet he chose to do it anyway. And 453 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,319 I think about the fact of he is following in 454 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:37,160 the footsteps as well of Jesus who made the decision 455 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,359 to go ahead and walk. 456 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 9: The road. 457 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 4: Of the Viadela Rotha, knowing even from the point that 458 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,319 he had to go raise Lazaruth. He's like, I'm going 459 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,839 to make the decision to do it, and he doesn't 460 00:32:53,960 --> 00:33:00,200 resolutely unapologetically, and he tells people that if you are 461 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,000 against me or criticize me in this moment, then you never. 462 00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:04,759 Speaker 2: Really knew me. 463 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:08,799 Speaker 4: It reminds me of Jesus saying, away from me, you 464 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,240 evil do her? You know, because people, well, when did 465 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,319 I not give you something to drink? When did I 466 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,200 not come and visit you in prison? 467 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: Is away from me? 468 00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 4: You never knew me. And it is a very dramatic 469 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:25,319 moment in the life of doctor King when he draws 470 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:27,279 this out and he sets the stage for the rest 471 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:27,880 of this speech. 472 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:37,279 Speaker 6: It's a big speech, but it's informed by a lot 473 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:52,200 of intense personal introspection and wrestling. Doctor King was already despised. Right, 474 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,359 a prophet is not without honor except in his own home. 475 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:02,960 His own community didn't trust him. This idealic attitude about 476 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:09,119 doctor King posthumously is not where the world was in 477 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,559 that last year of his life. He was the most 478 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:15,599 hated black man in the country. And that wasn't just 479 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:23,039 from the oppressor class. This was even amongst his own 480 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:28,719 folk and from the very early days when he was 481 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:35,159 a dexter church in Montgomery. The way he ends up 482 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,400 leading the movement is because the other preachers who had tenure, 483 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:43,639 I feel like they had too much to lose. 484 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,519 Speaker 2: No, how about that, right. 485 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 9: So. 486 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 6: This sense is is doctor King uses what we all have, 487 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,159 but we don't always all use. And that's his voice. 488 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,840 He's able to have a conversation wherever he is in 489 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,159 the conversation to raise the awareness and the consciousness about 490 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,920 the issue, the moral issues of the day that matter, 491 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,760 and then frame them such that there is a sense 492 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,039 of personal accountability. 493 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 3: We have lost that. 494 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 6: In some degree, not because we can't find it, but 495 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,840 because we've abandoned it because with it. Remember this is 496 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:31,039 after right, dog King's house has already been bombed, there's 497 00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:36,639 already been personal physical threats on his very life. And 498 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,400 yet what he does is not create some specter where 499 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:51,119 he gives the Nobel Prize that he received in a frame, 500 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,159 to take it to the White House and present it, 501 00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,079 say I want to give this to you, as if 502 00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,880 the symbolic meaning of being the award ee means nothing. 503 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,119 Now we just give it like it's some sort of 504 00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:08,440 trinket to whoever we choose, regardless of what their record is. 505 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,559 I think it speaks to the moment that doctor King's memory, 506 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:17,159 but also his embodiment, the resonance of his voice in 507 00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,719 this moment is bigger than the March on Washington for 508 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,320 jobs and freedom, though that's still critical. But we cannot 509 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,920 keep nineteen sixty three in isolation and leave nineteen sixty 510 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,880 seven sixty eight disconnected. They are part of the same 511 00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,519 struggle if we're going to be true to the prophetic 512 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:41,519 mantle that the spirit of the Lord God is in me, 513 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,280 and God has anointed me to use my voice to 514 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,119 proclaim a change in the existential condition and reality of 515 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:55,480 the people who find themselves amongst that class called the oppressed. 516 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,039 Speaker 2: And you and Gina got me thinking, I need another hour. 517 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,480 I ain't gonna lie to you because I'm thinking Doctor 518 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,719 King is gone. He is assassinated in Memphis, tennesseee, and 519 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,280 he's aged thirty nine thirty nine say it, thirty nine, 520 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,079 thirty nine, thirty nine. Men old black preachers had a 521 00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:16,320 problem with this nobel laureate. They had a problem with 522 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,079 the clarity that doctor King was bringing to the gospels, 523 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,239 White evangelical field. Who is this dude man, who is 524 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,440 this young cat on the stage with all of this 525 00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:29,440 thinking by what authority does he speak? 526 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 4: Sounds like the Sanhedri. 527 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,079 Speaker 2: I mean doctor King was at thirty nine years old, 528 00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:40,840 a young guy raising Cain, and he was a problem 529 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,639 for everybody. Joseph Jackson in the Baptist convention and the preachers. 530 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:49,800 And then here he is writing letters to white evangelical 531 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,039 preachers saying, of course I belong here. He is taking 532 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:59,079 them through a seminary course and a theological exercise that 533 00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:02,480 black preachers who've been preaching the gospel for decades we're 534 00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:05,960 not willing to do. I mean, he's challenging them. Then 535 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,519 he's challenging the body politics. He's meeting with Kennedy, he's 536 00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:12,880 meeting with Johnson, he's meeting with Robert F. Kennedy. The 537 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,440 press is focusing on him. That these brothers and sisters 538 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,960 had a problem with this young guy who knew what 539 00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:23,760 to say and didn't need no notes, who knew the 540 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,320 gospel better than they did, and worked towards Paulinium application 541 00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:32,719 of the gospel. We only have about two minutes on 542 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,519 this list on the show, but come on, now, come 543 00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:37,000 on now, listen. 544 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 6: Somewhere along the line, we felt that it was safer 545 00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:51,679 and more expedient to make the Gospel of Jesus Christ, 546 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:57,079 Jesus who is the Christ? That gospel a gimmick. When 547 00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:03,480 it's a gimmick, When when Jesus engages Peter who do 548 00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:08,000 people say that I the Son of Man am. They 549 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,559 go through that whole conversation. Some say you're one of 550 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,079 the prophets or you know. He goes back, well, who 551 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,719 do you say that I am now at the Christ 552 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,199 And then Jesus says something profound. You are, Peter, and 553 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,760 upon this rock I will build not the church definitive article, 554 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,480 but my church. See every church is not the church 555 00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:35,480 that Jesus is speaking to. So everybody find the church 556 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:39,280 where you're supposed to be and do what the Lord 557 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,239 is calling you to do so that you can help 558 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,360 change the existential reality of people. Even if your voice 559 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,119 has to resonate after you're long gone. 560 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:53,679 Speaker 2: You know. 561 00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:59,039 Speaker 4: Well, it is the end of this hour. Todd, thank 562 00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:00,679 you so much for being here with us. We will 563 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,039 continue to celebrate doctor King. We come forward on Monday, 564 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,280 and if you want to join us, please be welcome. 565 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,920 But we certainly hope the rest of our audience will 566 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,239 join us on Monday as we continue our celebration of 567 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,280 doctor King. This is the Jesse Jackson Junior Show Talk 568 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,280 KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty