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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>Nonfarm pay rolls, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics,

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<v Speaker 2>climbed by seasonally adjusted one hundred and forty three thousand

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<v Speaker 2>for the month. That was down from December, which was

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<v Speaker 2>about three hundred and seven thousandth So the unemployment rate

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<v Speaker 2>right now down a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's down to four percent.

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<v Speaker 1>I fell into this article this morning. It's actually out

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<v Speaker 1>of Vanity Fair, and it's about a squatter. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we all have had stories, or we have family members

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<v Speaker 1>that have had stories of renters, or you know, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who knows somebody of somebody who won't leave, or somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who created a disaster while they were there, resulting in

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars of damage. And it's even more cruel

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<v Speaker 1>when it's an emotional squatter. And that's what got me

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<v Speaker 1>into this story about this woman who pretended to be

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<v Speaker 1>a local in the Malibu area and kind of snowed

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<v Speaker 1>over a guy who was battling cancer at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>ended up taking this polite, wonderful was seemingly wonderful woman

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<v Speaker 1>in just for a bit, and she ended up taking

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<v Speaker 1>on a campaign of psychological terror against him, landed him

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<v Speaker 1>in a medical facility while she was changing the locks.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the signs were there, but it is a

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<v Speaker 1>slow slide into being the manipulated when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>people who are criminal and endearing at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk more a little bit later about the smell

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<v Speaker 2>the aroma that reminds you of Los Angeles, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty diametrically imposed views of what smells remind people

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<v Speaker 2>of LA But Patrese Miller is not a name that

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<v Speaker 2>you would recognize, but you might remember the case. She

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<v Speaker 2>lived in Downeyville, lived alone with a couple of cats

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<v Speaker 2>in a little rental house in Downeyville in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of this small mountain town, kept to herself, known for

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<v Speaker 2>orchids and house plants, got around with the aidable walking sticks.

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<v Speaker 1>This is northern northern California, way northern.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeh. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And last November, a friend who was regularly delivering groceries

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<v Speaker 2>to Patrese noticed that Patrice hadn't checked in lately, so

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<v Speaker 2>she called the Sheriff's office and just said, Hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>worried about Patrice. She hasn't been She hasn't been in

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<v Speaker 2>contact with us. Could you do a welfare visit? Deputy

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<v Speaker 2>shows up, notice a garden hose draped across the front steps,

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<v Speaker 2>and the water was on, so it was spraying in

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<v Speaker 2>all directions from a bunch of punctures in the hose.

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<v Speaker 3>It looked like bite marks.

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<v Speaker 1>So he looks in through a small window, sweeps his

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<v Speaker 1>flashlight across the interior and he sees blood streaks and

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<v Speaker 1>paw prints. He draws his gun, opens the door and

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<v Speaker 1>inside a gruesome scene. Patrese Miller's body was on the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen floor, mangled by claw marks and bite wounds and

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<v Speaker 1>partially eaten. The cabinets had been torn up, garbage food

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<v Speaker 1>littered all over the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Said they figured out whatever did that, where.

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<v Speaker 3>They got it?

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<v Speaker 1>Some Stephen King s right there.

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<v Speaker 2>A kitchen window appeared to be the point of entry

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<v Speaker 2>had been broken. The security bars had been pried off

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<v Speaker 2>and were still hanging by a single bolt. A survey

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<v Speaker 2>by the deputy led him to figure out that a

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<v Speaker 2>bear had probably found her in bed and dragged her

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<v Speaker 2>across the house. In fact, they found a pile of

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<v Speaker 2>bear scat out in the living room m Now, originally they.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought it's not very nice to poop right in the

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<v Speaker 1>living room.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not supposed to poop.

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<v Speaker 4>What are you eat?

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<v Speaker 2>Sierra County officials believe that well Done Miller died of

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<v Speaker 2>natural causes maybe, and that a bear broke into the

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<v Speaker 2>house and found her and grabbed the body and scavenged

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<v Speaker 2>the place. But they did a full autopsy a couple

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<v Speaker 2>weeks later and didn't put it out publicly until six

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<v Speaker 2>months after the incident. Said that she had suffered crushing

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<v Speaker 2>injuries and that the bear was the one responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>actually causing the death. That it didn't stumble upon her dead,

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<v Speaker 2>it made her dead.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a big milestone for California. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>first documented human fatality caused by a black bear in

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<v Speaker 1>state history. And usually it's the brown bears that are

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<v Speaker 1>the dangerous ones, are the ones that are more volatile

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<v Speaker 1>and aggressive. Now I've noticed this in my area where

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<v Speaker 1>we have an interface with animals that are in the foothills,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it be bears or bobcats, or deer or coyotes

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<v Speaker 1>or skunks or what have you. They've become very familiar

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<v Speaker 1>in recent years with humans. They no longer are scared.

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<v Speaker 1>They are so they are so used to us that

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<v Speaker 1>they are not keeping their distance and we are not

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<v Speaker 1>keeping ours. This woman, by the way, had a nickname

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<v Speaker 1>for this bear. She called him Big Bastard. This bear

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<v Speaker 1>apparently had been stalking the home for months. They're usually

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<v Speaker 1>skittish around humans. Black bears are. They will go after dumpsters.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll break into your cars for food. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>warning you get from Bob the park ranger every time

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<v Speaker 1>you go anywhere to camp or what have you. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>lock your stuff up, lock your food up. Don't keep

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in your car. Don't keep food in your car.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is, like you said, she had a nickname

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<v Speaker 2>for this bear because it was a pretty common sight

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<v Speaker 2>around there. She had easy meals where I mean, she

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<v Speaker 2>had cultivated this vegetable garden.

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<v Speaker 3>She had a compost pile.

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<v Speaker 2>She wasn't very diligent when it came to disposing of

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<v Speaker 2>her trash. All these things that they tell you you're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do if you live in bear country.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the thing is is, if you've lived in Downyville

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<v Speaker 1>for a period of time, this hasn't been a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure the bears are there, but they keep their distance.

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<v Speaker 1>Locals say in fact, they always have kept their distance.

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<v Speaker 1>That this is the first time and their history of

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<v Speaker 1>living there that they can remember that the bears are

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<v Speaker 1>making their rounds. They're all over, they're not afraid, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're getting closer and closer.

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<v Speaker 3>Black bears have.

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<v Speaker 2>The population of black bears has grown significantly since the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>They said it was about ten to fifteen thousand bears

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<v Speaker 2>in California back in nineteen eighty two when they did

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<v Speaker 2>a survey, but now it's about sixty five thousand. Forty

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<v Speaker 2>five percent of them are believed to live in the

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<v Speaker 2>Sierra Nevada Mountain Range, where you've got not just abundant

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<v Speaker 2>food for the natural life cycle, but all of the

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<v Speaker 2>people that live there now provide the you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>new source of food. I mean, the people aren't the

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<v Speaker 2>food well generally, but they do the trash. Everything that

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<v Speaker 2>the people bring with them can be food items.

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about having bears in my backyard and someone

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<v Speaker 1>along the line at some point said, well, do you

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<v Speaker 1>have a gun to shoot it? And I said, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>if I shot a bear in my backyard, I would

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<v Speaker 1>be killed. At the town square.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd be ruined.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be ruined. And killed. And in fact, this

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<v Speaker 1>woman reported the bear to Fish in Wildlife. The department

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<v Speaker 1>offered her a permit, which is a last resort option

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<v Speaker 1>the state grants to people to shoot a problem animal

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<v Speaker 1>before it kills you. Essentially, she declined that she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want the bear hurt, She just wanted it removed.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, now we know what happened, you're supposed to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what are you supposed to do? You've got to

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<v Speaker 1>I mean where I live, they will come and they

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<v Speaker 1>will take care of your animal situation and they will

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<v Speaker 1>not kill it, but they will tranquilize it and relocate

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<v Speaker 1>that animal. Right So, I don't know. If it's Downyville,

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<v Speaker 1>the resources are slim there. They don't have anyone they

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<v Speaker 1>can dispatch right away. But saying here's a permit, shoot

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<v Speaker 1>the d could you imagine if I called a bearon

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<v Speaker 1>that was like top tap tap on my window.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I've got a bear.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gotten way too close, And the state was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a permit to shoot it. Shannon, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that go over?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, I think you'd be ruined. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't mean by.

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<v Speaker 1>The how did I acquire a gun? Who would give

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<v Speaker 1>me said gun, nobody. How would I learn to operate it?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that I would be able to hit

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<v Speaker 1>the bear? The bear would probably take the gun from

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<v Speaker 1>me and shoot me with it. He'd slap it out

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<v Speaker 1>of your hands. He'd be like, what the hell are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing? It would make bastard, that's what he calls me.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, squatter story. When we come back.

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<v Speaker 5>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 5>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about this La Times article about the

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<v Speaker 2>sense that remind them of la and somebody wrote, magnificent

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<v Speaker 2>magnolia's in wistful wisteria.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the first thing, huh wysteria.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I will say one of the things that well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get into some of them.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk about it.

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<v Speaker 4>You mentioned this because you know, smell is one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most powerful senses. When I think of California, I

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<v Speaker 4>think of three distinctive smells. A nice when I'm out

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<v Speaker 4>by the desert in the dry area, that right, obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>the ocean if I'm going down p ch and Mexican food,

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<v Speaker 4>love love, the smell of the distinct California.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That does waft. It is a wafter. I it is

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<v Speaker 1>a wafter. You know, you there's certain points in time too, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you get out of a game and you smell the

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<v Speaker 1>bacon rapt bacon wrap hot dog.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that has come up many times. Yeah, in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>let's play that one.

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<v Speaker 6>When I think of the smell of La, I think

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<v Speaker 6>of hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Dog yap and yeah, you know, it's kind of hard

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<v Speaker 1>to get a smell in LA. That's the other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much going on in La. Every part and

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<v Speaker 1>parcels accounted for, you know, I mean, like every there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of open space northern California. You can

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<v Speaker 1>pick up smells because at least not every piece of

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<v Speaker 1>land is accounted for. There's some space for things to

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<v Speaker 1>actually bloom and to spread. Here, it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>everything's up against each other, so the smells don't really

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<v Speaker 1>last very long.

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<v Speaker 3>That was also interesting that people talked a lot about citrus.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm from Riverside, so the smell that I associate that

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<v Speaker 6>with is the citrus in the string. Yeah, all the

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<v Speaker 6>orange and lemon, grapefruit. Of course they're disappearing by the

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<v Speaker 6>boat loads now, but we're talking downtown in LA. It

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<v Speaker 6>would be piss and I don't know, miss I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think you can say piss on the radio. Guys, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the as we just said, she and I both did.

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<v Speaker 2>As you drive out the one twenty six, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>they still have a bunch of citrus orchards.

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<v Speaker 3>As you're going out towards Vena. It used to all

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<v Speaker 3>be citrus.

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<v Speaker 1>We all learned about it in that Angelina Joelee movie,

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<v Speaker 1>which one the one where her son I think, goes missing,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like the nineteen twenties and everything's citrus ortured

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<v Speaker 1>all Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 7>I went to Las Felix to have lunch with a

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<v Speaker 7>literally smell like which is one of the reasons I Vega.

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas just smells like bad decisions and STDs the other

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<v Speaker 3>Another very common pot people said when they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, definitely on the freeway, there's.

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<v Speaker 2>A there's got to be a warehouse or something. When

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<v Speaker 2>especially if it's a warmer day, like anywhere above seventy

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<v Speaker 2>degrees for a good quarter mile, it's just overwhelming the

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<v Speaker 2>smell of pot.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a question about that with pot.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't pot?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know because Pot's changed so much,

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<v Speaker 1>but driving while high sounds damn near impossible.

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<v Speaker 3>I just it doesn't seem comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem that's good. Doesn't seem comfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta be somewhat in control of your sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also, isn't the pot just the point of pot

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<v Speaker 5>Am six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife was at the story yesterday and took this

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<v Speaker 2>giant picture of just all of this gaudy flowers, over

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<v Speaker 2>priced carnations, the giant three foot tall balloons that spell

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<v Speaker 2>out the word love, and she just I told please, no.

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<v Speaker 1>I told my husband for years, I feel this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna kind of piss people off here.

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<v Speaker 4>Get it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you enjoy Valentine's Day, you celebrate that. Good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I told him long ago, it's a sign of

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<v Speaker 1>a lack of intelligence to buy me something for Valentine's Day, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>because everything costs so much more, whether it's going out

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<v Speaker 1>to dinner. Everything's a price fixed menu. You're basically a schmuck.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got ya, they fooled you. You're basically a schmuck.

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<v Speaker 1>If you buy into that, if you want to make

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<v Speaker 1>me dinner, that's awesome. I love that. That's very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you just go to the rafts, pick up

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<v Speaker 1>some pasta, whatever, make me dinner.

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<v Speaker 5>Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, it's lovely, it's thoughtful. But the whole idea

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<v Speaker 1>of making a big deal of spending more than you

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<v Speaker 1>would use usually spend on a normal Tuesday for a

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<v Speaker 1>bouquet of flowers or dinner out, that's just silly. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just silly. You're just throwing money, pissing money into the wind.

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<v Speaker 1>To use the word of the day, piss. Oh, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. You're just you're you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>urinating into the breeze. A card is cool, but just

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<v Speaker 1>don't over It's just I don't know. I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>overspending for the sake of Hallmark holiday like the man

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<v Speaker 1>has gotten you. If you're celebrating the phony holidays, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>your wife knows that you love her on a Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>in April, why do you have to overspend for ugly carnations.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing stupid balloon that says love. We're doing a

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<v Speaker 2>nice dinner, but we're doing it on Thursday instead of Friday.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>There's that idea as well, do it the day before

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<v Speaker 1>the day after. Okay, I'm not yelling at you. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have that, no, but I do think it's beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>if it's you, do you. I love that for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But moron, no, I don't think you're more. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's necessary. I don't think it's necessary.

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<v Speaker 3>The reminder that today is Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>That means we're going to do what you learned this

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<v Speaker 2>week on The Gary and Shannon Show later in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You make me sound like a horrible no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you did that by yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to have to go into the next

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<v Speaker 1>segment with this story as well, but we can start

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<v Speaker 1>it now. This was an article, and it's very topical. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Squatters have been in the news, they've been in documentaries,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been on podcasts. We rarely hear all of the

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<v Speaker 1>details of how this happens because these squatters are very

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<v Speaker 1>manipulative and they use your emotions to do so. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a guy sixty five years old, Alden Marin is

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<v Speaker 1>his name, and lived in the Malibu area, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was September of twenty twenty one. He's taking a walk

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<v Speaker 1>on the beach at Point Doom like he usually does.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you know the area, you know that it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those areas where you need a key to

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<v Speaker 1>get to the beach where you can take the white

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<v Speaker 1>the walk at Point Doom. So everyone who's there usually

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<v Speaker 1>you know that they're supposed to be there. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a status symbol to have a key to the beach,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, make whatever of that that you will.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, when you see somebody on the beach, you

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<v Speaker 1>know they're probably they probably live there, or they're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be there. On this night in September twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>Alden sixty five meets this woman. She's eccentric, she's energetic,

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<v Speaker 1>she's this middle aged woman. She's got a British accent,

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder length, frizzy brown hair, blue eyes, and she introduces

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<v Speaker 1>herself as Ellie Mae McNulty, an actor and a screenwriter. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as for this guy, he had graduated from Stanford, went

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<v Speaker 1>to the Sorbonne. He had a successful wine business, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was battling stage four melanoma for three years. At

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<v Speaker 1>this point when he meets her, he had gone through

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<v Speaker 1>the diagnosis, which is heart wrenching. He had gone through

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<v Speaker 1>the chemotherapy. He welcomed this conversation with this strange, affable woman.

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<v Speaker 1>He sees her a couple more times over the next month.

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<v Speaker 1>They end up going to an art exhibition together because

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<v Speaker 1>he's an artist, she appreciates art. And she says, after

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<v Speaker 1>about a month of them with these casual meetings up

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<v Speaker 1>that she's looking for a place to stay because she's

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for her home to be finished. He invites her

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<v Speaker 1>to stay at his two bedroom condo for a few

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<v Speaker 1>days until her new place is ready to go, which

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<v Speaker 1>was to be imminent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny that he had the assumption, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>said this a minute ago. Because she was there, she

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<v Speaker 2>must belong there, and he assumed that she had a

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<v Speaker 2>beach key or was a friend with someone who did

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<v Speaker 2>have a beach key, because she was there, and he

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would be kind of cool to have a

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<v Speaker 2>roommate for a couple of days, especially somebody that was

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<v Speaker 2>interesting and quirky.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon enough, the mask came off, she unleashed a campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, of psychological terror, landed him in a medical

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<v Speaker 1>facility at the same time she was changing the locks

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<v Speaker 1>to his place. They said it started about a month

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<v Speaker 1>after she moved in that a couple days quickly became

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<v Speaker 1>a month. With this house that everyone knows somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>has had this, so it's easy to accept. Right, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got a friend whose house is getting rebuilt, or there

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<v Speaker 1>was some sort of damage to the house, or they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to plumb the house or something where you offer

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<v Speaker 1>you can stay with us for a couple days or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever usually ends up being longer. You know how contractors work,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not out of the realm of possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>her house would take a little bit longer, and in

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<v Speaker 1>fact that's what it did, but just at the alleged house,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say. But about a month after she moved in,

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<v Speaker 1>her demeanor, they say changed dramatically. They meaning this guy's sister.

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<v Speaker 1>She became berating Alden, ridiculing his medical problems, that she

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<v Speaker 1>would take videos of him on her cell phone, threatening

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<v Speaker 1>to use him as leverage to stay longer. She relegated

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<v Speaker 1>to a room in the downstowns Downstown downstairs area of

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<v Speaker 1>his own home. That he couldn't even go to the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen or other areas without dealing with this woman's verbal abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>and then couldn't get her to leave.

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<v Speaker 5>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 5>AM six.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty authorities in Alaska searching this hour for a commercial

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<v Speaker 2>passenger playing the went missing of the Bearing Sea just

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<v Speaker 2>before it was supposed to land. This cessna is operated

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<v Speaker 2>by a regional carrier called Bearing Air. Nine passengers and

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<v Speaker 2>a pilot on board when its position was lost yesterday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the Alaska Department of Public Safety. So you've

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<v Speaker 2>got Coastguard, air Force, and National Guard all involved in

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<v Speaker 2>an air and land search for this airplane.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about Alden Marin, guy who lived in Malibu,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five years old, going through a treatment for stage

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<v Speaker 1>four melanoma, meets a woman on the beach there, which

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<v Speaker 1>is private for just homeowners in the area. Yeah, middle aged,

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<v Speaker 1>eccentric woman British accent. Ellie Mae McNulty is her name.

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<v Speaker 1>They have commonalities. They both shared a passion for yoga meditations.

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<v Speaker 1>Her home is being worked on, he allows her to

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<v Speaker 1>stay in his home for a couple days. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a two bedroom condo there in Malibu. They say a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days of novelty turned into a weekek. Then

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks and the excuses of why her new rental

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't yet available started to pile up. And Mindy is

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<v Speaker 1>Alden's sister, and Mindy says that she felt the red

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<v Speaker 1>flags right away. Something was off, and her brother said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>she's okay. She helps out around here, she makes breakfast,

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<v Speaker 1>she makes sure I'm okay. But the sister, as we're

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<v Speaker 1>one to do, starts searching for this woman on the

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<v Speaker 1>internet and seems to believe that this woman fancies herself

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a filmmaker or something. Her social media

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<v Speaker 1>is peppered with photos of her with Hollywood players David Lynch,

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<v Speaker 1>Al Pacino, Jim Carrey, and she talks about her membership

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<v Speaker 1>and the Screen Actors Guild. Just months before she meets

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<v Speaker 1>the brother Alden. She had instagrammed a screenshot of a

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times review that noted her exceptional acting. But

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<v Speaker 1>this was from a play that had been stage in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety eight, about twenty five years before the meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>And like you said, Alden's sister, Mindy was the one

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<v Speaker 2>who sniffed this out early on, or at least knew

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<v Speaker 2>something was a little amiss about this woman.

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<v Speaker 1>We told you before the break that the mass came

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<v Speaker 1>off in about a month into the stay when her

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<v Speaker 1>behavior abruptly changed. Suddenly she was telling Alden what to

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<v Speaker 1>do in his own home. He did not like conflicts,

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<v Speaker 1>so he started to just play into it. She even

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<v Speaker 1>got access to his credit cards after he left them out.

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<v Speaker 1>She used them for household expenses and food for the house.

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<v Speaker 1>His sister says, he was scared of this woman. At

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<v Speaker 1>one point. She never paid any rent. She was pressured

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<v Speaker 1>to leave at one point, and she said she was

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for an inheritance from her grandmother before she could

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<v Speaker 1>pay for a new apartment. And the sister gets involved

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<v Speaker 1>in this situation and she becomes more combative. McNulty does,

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<v Speaker 1>how dare you talk to me about that, and they

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<v Speaker 1>soon realized that the law is on this crazy woman's side.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, there's a lot I had to deal with. Our

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<v Speaker 2>fa family had to deal with a squatter as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very tenant friendly. In the state of California.

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<v Speaker 2>Law mandates that somebody who occupies a room in your house,

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<v Speaker 2>even if they're not paying, and even if there's no

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<v Speaker 2>agreed upon contract, they are considered for these types of purposes,

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<v Speaker 2>They're considered a tenant at will. And there's the thing

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<v Speaker 2>is there's no description in state law about what constitutes tenancy,

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<v Speaker 2>even informal tenancy, so there's no real way. Is she

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<v Speaker 2>there for two weeks and she becomes a tenant? Does

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<v Speaker 2>it that take ninety days? There's just no hard and

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<v Speaker 2>fast rule. So while he is in the hospital, Alden

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<v Speaker 2>is in the hospital because again he's dealing with cancer,

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<v Speaker 2>she apparently tried to change the locks, which is another

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<v Speaker 2>right that has afforded tenants in the state of California.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a long story. The vanity faarraticle gets into

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<v Speaker 1>this woman's past. I don't think her past is really relevant. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>what's relevant is that this guy had such a breakdown

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<v Speaker 1>over this woman. He had to be hospitalized, and the

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<v Speaker 1>sister began to search legal records involving this woman. She

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<v Speaker 1>found more than ten cases alone, stretching back almost two decades,

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<v Speaker 1>the most recent all in that Point Doom area in Malibu.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how she was able to gain access to that beach. Probably,

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<v Speaker 1>But they say that successful, smart people continue to get

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<v Speaker 1>fleeced in California because they have no idea these laws exist.

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<v Speaker 1>And these very people like McNulty pray. They know the laws,

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<v Speaker 1>they know them backwards and forwards, and they will prey

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<v Speaker 1>on you and they will seek you out, especially well

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<v Speaker 1>to do people who are just nice people.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the options is, and I know that

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<v Speaker 2>people have done this in the past. It was something

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<v Speaker 2>that we actually looked into, was if you can convince

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we own the property, if I could convince

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<v Speaker 2>the tenant to leave the house at any point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can change the locks, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But but you got to convince them to get out

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<v Speaker 2>of the house. And the thing is they know you're

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<v Speaker 2>sniffing around to get them out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's dangerous. You don't know if they're armed, what you're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with.

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<v Speaker 3>The miss Yeah, I feel I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're on meth or and they've been up for

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<v Speaker 1>four weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know if they're a Chiefs fan.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know if they're gonna eat your face.

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<v Speaker 2>What you learned this week on the Gary and Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>Sho'll leave us a quick talkback message on the iHeart app. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>if you miss any part of the show, go back

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<v Speaker 2>and check out the podcast. Every single day we do

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<v Speaker 2>a live podcast and then post the results.

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<v Speaker 1>My sister texted me yesterday and she got like the

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<v Speaker 1>she got me to she got my bad mood text

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<v Speaker 1>because she texted me when I was dealing with my

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<v Speaker 1>root canal. And she says to me, yesterday, do I

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<v Speaker 1>understand this correctly? Do you and Gary have a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>now now? I was so incensed and annoyed by this

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<v Speaker 1>that I didn't respond for several hours, and I wrote back, yes, dork,

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<v Speaker 1>we've done a live podcast for nothew Well, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>come on now and she and then she wrote loll okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was something separate from your radio show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to write back, we did this for

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<v Speaker 1>four hours. Who wants more of this? Who wants extra?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you do want extra, just type in Gary

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<v Speaker 2>and Shannon wherever you find your favorite podcast swamp on.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but you know what I mean, like extra, I agree?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want extra?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm curious about the people who have agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the same room with us on Sunday afternoon, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a lot, that's that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's coercion at play. I feel like some

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<v Speaker 1>people thought they had to say yes no, like Deborah Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think she actually wants to go no? Deborah Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I ran through season one of Downto

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<v Speaker 1>Nabbey within forty eight hours based on your recommendation. I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I did. It was the only thing that made me happy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, so thank you. I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>loved deb Re Mark all day long because it was

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<v Speaker 1>very nice. It's a lovely.

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<v Speaker 3>Show, it really is, and it just gets better and

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<v Speaker 3>it makes.

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<v Speaker 1>Me want tea. They have tea all the time and

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<v Speaker 1>a cucumber sandwich.

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<v Speaker 4>And don't you want to be friends with those people

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<v Speaker 4>that work for the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I love their love, but not the family. No,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the families. Some of the families, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>the mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, you'll need our help on Sunday you've

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<v Speaker 2>been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show. You can

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<v Speaker 2>always hear us live on KFI AM six forty nine

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