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Speaker 1: At a book.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, thanks so much for listening to tonight's live

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stream episode of the show. I really appreciate it. I

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apologize for taken last week off too, by the way,

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I wish I could tell you that it didn't feel

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good to do that, but it sure did to get

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a break. Yeah, that was well overdue. But moving forward

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to current events, so that you know, next week's show

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isn't going to be available on YouTube. The subject matter

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of the show, the content isn't going to be YouTube

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friendly due to the nature of it. The gist of

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it is, next week's guest had some really over the

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top extreme dog me and related experiences down in Central

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America about forty five years ago when he was working

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down there as a contractor. And this isn't a one

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and done type situation. I mean he had to endure

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being around dog men, a large group of dog men,

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for years. Unfortunately. Well I can't go into too much

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detail on it too much more, but suffice to say,

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it's not going to be you too friendly, like I said,

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So with that in mind, if you just go to

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your favorite podcast app and do a search for the show.

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If you're not already subscribed to dog mean encounters on

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your favorite podcast app. You'll be able to listen that way.

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But again, that's going to be next week's episode of

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the show. Well, without any further ado, let's bring on

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this week's guest. Tonight's guest is Bart Bart. Welcome to

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the show. Hello, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh I know you're welcome. Bart. Please give us a

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brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Forty seven, got two kids. They're around high school age,

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getting ready to hire on graduate. Just living on here

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and on the plane in South Dakota.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you must be catching the weatherwise right now. It's

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got to be awfully cold.

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Speaker 1: It's not too bad yet.

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Speaker 2: Oh well that's good. That's really good. Then it's funny

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you mentioned yours. From what I understand, they used to

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give you a pretty hard time for listening to the show.

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Here why they have a problem with you listening?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a problem, but they used to always hear me,

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you know, listening to all the stories, and you know

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they're would over always overhear them. And you know a

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lot of women, you know, I suppose sounded scary to them.

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Speaker 2: Oh I see, I thought they would tease you.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, Like I said, my me and my son

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seen one hears from our scene two of rooms and mhmm.

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Speaker 2: So he knew they were really out there. I see, Bart,

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there's a house close to yours, at a place called

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Soldier Creek where something strange happened. What more can you

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tell us about that?

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Speaker 1: I just heard the other day was they reported some

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huge tracks coming from a creek or something and going

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up to a house and going around it. But over

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the years, I know they brought we heard stories over there,

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and I always hear stories all around us anyway.

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Speaker 2: So you have a lot of strange things happening all

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over then in your area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, over the years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah wow, Yeah, that's not good. Makes you wonder what's next.

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You've been listening to the show since I released episode

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seventy eight. Yeah, that's been a long time ago. That

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means you didn't have your first encounter until after you

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started listening to the show. How sure were you if

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they actually did exist before you had that first encounter?

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Speaker 1: Like I said, it was, it didn't really hit home

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until my uncle showed me that picture. He couldn't that

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was and that's when it kind of sunk home with

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me because that picture he took right now where I'm

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living at was only probably about maybe five miles away

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from here.

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Speaker 2: So that's when it really sunk in that these guys

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were real.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I've always you know, just like I said,

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just from listening to your your other uh viewers and

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listening to their encounters studio, and you know, just from

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listening to the stories, all the stories that they are

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a little bit and pieces of it, you know, they

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all you know, they all got these little stories that

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match up. And when I overseen overheard uh some of

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the other viewers talking about pictures and then just describing

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from what they've seen, and just from looking at that picture,

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that's it. Yeah, that's why I I don't know, I

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just made me realize another And I didn't expect it,

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you know, from my uncle to take a picture of one,

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you know, this close to home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you never do expect to see one that closed

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to home until you actually do. Unfortunately, you just touched

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on this a minute or two ago about your son.

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and this was about three weeks ago. How's he holding up?

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How's he handling it.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, we kind of got the story. I might

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have heard me wrong there they encountered me and my

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son seen. That was about maybe three summers ago. The

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story I was telling you about with my sister she

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seen not about maybe three four weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I got those back where it's okay? Sorry about that.

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is he processing it well and functioning the way he

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should be or is he dealing with hang ups?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean, like I said, we're kind of

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where we live. We just kind of get We're used

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to hearing and seeing things around here. But it's just

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wasn't something like that, you know, But yeah, we're we're okay.

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I mean, you got no choice but to so I

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have to go outside.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a good point. No matter what life

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goes on, you have to do what you need to do.

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Good point. You live in a part of the country

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where there haven't been a lot of dog man encounters reported.

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Do you think that's due to a lack of encounters

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actually happening there, or because most eyewitnesses there don't report

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their experiences.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of hard to say, because, like

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I said, I know there's people around here that I've

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seen other things, and I don't know if it's some

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of them really report you know exactly what it is.

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of listening to a lot of your episodes. Yeah, no,

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I never really heard of any of them really being

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over here in South Dakota.

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Speaker 2: I've had them reported in South Dakota, North Dakota. But

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I think you're right. I can't remember any guests coming

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on the show to talk about that, so yeah, I

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think you're right. All right, Bart, please tell us about

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your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that comes

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to mind.

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Speaker 1: I'll start with my uncle first. His He took that

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picture about six seven years ago. It was probably I

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wouldn't I don't know, probably maybe like the following summer

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after that, probably not even that long because he took

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that picture in the wintertime, so it had to be

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that following summer when he showed it to me, and you're,

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you know, just sitting in his car talking and he said,

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he said, I got a picture on it to show you.

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this is, And yeah, it took me a second to

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when I was looking at it, you know, and and

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he said, you can zoom in too if you want.

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Someone I you know, zoomed it in a little better,

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you know. And then they really dawned on me what

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I was looking at, and I couldn't bleed. And you know,

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he took a picture of this and broad daylight. You know,

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he said that when he conducted a y and the

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valley took a lapt on the right side of the road,

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there's a clearing. And remember how it is in the wintertime.

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the sun was out and everything that clear day off

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sold down to stop because it looked like he said,

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look like a man kneeling down he sails digging something.

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his phone out and as soon as you go in

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to take a picture, and he said, that's when that

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thing stood up. And he said when when he stood up,

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he just said he knew it didn't look like a man.

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the picture to me, like like I said, if you

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could just imagine, you know, the bud the whereof you know,

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standing up. You tell you he's got his head up

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in the air and he sniffed in the air and

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he's got his arms back. You can see his legs

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and that's what that's as soon as my uncle took

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that picture, and that's and he said, I got scared

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and he took off, But yeah, he caught it just

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right though, right because you can tell him, you know,

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sniffing the air, and after that and you laugh, and

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not too long after that, that's when that's sudden. Be

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my buddy. We're walking home, they said, about three at night,

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another buddy of ours comes walking out. He said, they

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want to know if you guys want to come over

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to this other house and visit for wall And we

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said yeah. We turn around, start walking. Were run into

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this other girl and she walks out and sees us

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and as you know, like I said, we got about

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maybe you know, small little towns was a three four

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in town up she's so we walk with you guys

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so far. She had no problem. We walk into the

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middle of town and there's four of us. We stopped

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to re visit, and we're starting and talking. Me and

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my buddy face east and our other friends are facing west,

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and my buddy next to me, he said, boy, what

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is that coming? And I look around my friend and

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this is two blocks away from us, and this is

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this isn't you think city blocks? You know, these are small,

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little hural blocks, you know, so it's like it's probably

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not even half a city block assume, but you know,

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it's not that fire. And we can see it, like

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of register what I was looking at because it was

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moving so fast and I'm going to see the top

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top part of it, the head see his arms swinging,

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and like I said, that's what sticks to my head

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so much. Is the way it was moving. Like I said,

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it was it was coming towards us really fast, but

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it looked like it was jumping side to side. Like

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it's like it's like like I don't know, like a

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TV glitching, but like the top part of it ain't glitching.

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you know, it just doesn't look right it takes I

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would say, within that one block. H it's coming out

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of so quick. Within that time, we all just freeze,

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all of us, you know, we don't move, we don't

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say nothing. We're just looking at this scene coming through

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this and with it. It gets within like maybe a

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half a block within us, and a car comes up

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when it gets close to the lights, and that's when

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it disappears into the Uh, like I said, jumps the

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chaining fence right next to us, one of us ten

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foot chaining fence, and it jumps over into that, you know,

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it jumps over it like it was nothing. But yeah,

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it was moving so fast and quick. He needs to say. Once.

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There's once that car pulled up and got close to

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the lights and they changed direction. That's when we all

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kind of snapped out of it. And we all turned

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around and we took off the other direction, and they

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two of our buddies split up the other way, and

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me and the other one went the other way. You know,

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we just went to get going. And that was that

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was our first one. Then the second one. This was

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about three summers ago. Me and my son, like I said,

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the edge of our town. We lived directly at the

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edge of it. There's, like you imagine a little small

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town square. Right at the corner of that town there's

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a little cola soccer, a little half to see. We

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lived at the edge of it, Bob. Nine thirty ten

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in the morning, Me and my sons, uh, like it's Sunnia.

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sit out there and listen to music and smoke cigarettes

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out there and all right, do anything. We we walk

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out there, Like I said, this is like nine thirty

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ten in the morning, summer day out. You know, it's

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really nice. We get in a car. Both your doors

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are open, and we're facing each We're sitting talking and

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my son is the one I noticed them first, facing east.

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But if you imagine looking you know, it's nothing about

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flatline and off into that field to our left, about

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sixty five feet into that field, there's something in that building.

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And my son asked me, he said, that is that

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a horse? So when I start looking at it, I

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noticed two things right off. First thing is there's stuff

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getting thrown up in the air, and it's you know,

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it's coming up real fast, just getting thrown And I

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noticed the second thing I notice is the tail it's

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it's it's a really long, thick, bushy tail, just like

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a German separate or something like that. And you know,

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it's sticking up in the air, and I noticed that's

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the tring. I noticed. You know, horses don't have tails

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like that, you know. I see you see him stick

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them up kind of like in the air when he

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tried to. But this thing was way up in the

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air and it was digging for something. I sn't back

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up a little bit. You see it moving around, and

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I realized it's you know, it's got it's got paws

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or hands or you know, but it's got arms, and

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it's it's digging in the ground for something. And that's

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when you know this, You know, my mind is seeking.

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You know, it looks as as big as the worse

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and it looks like one, but you know, you know

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it's not. And you just tell them about the fir

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and the color of it. The tail realized what it's doing.

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It gives us a few seconds for us to look

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at this, and you know, my mind kind of registered

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we I'm looking at and actually give us a few

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seconds from my son to Yeah. He pulls out his

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phone and he starts to record it, and we're both

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sitting there looking at it, and you know, he's I

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could see it on the phone, you know, what it's

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still doing and moving around, and and that's when my

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son goes, oh Dad, look there's another one. So I

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take my view off of off my view off of

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what that one's doing. And I started looking in that

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field because you know, it's the open field, but off

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to the side there, just off to the left side

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of it. That first one was about sixty five feet

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and so this other one was about half the distance

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of that size. I would say it's about thirty five

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forty feet away from us. Man, it was close. And

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that's it. It dawns on me what I'm looking at

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because there's a there's another one. There is the second one,

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and it's staying right at us. And you know, this

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one's this one's just you know, it's just like you

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you know, if you see a dog, you know, it's

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just laying on the ground, you know, and it's just

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chilling there, you know. And and that's a that's a

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I told my son that that's that's the one that

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scared me. You know, you know, I kind of got

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somehow looking at the other one. How big that thing

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was moving around. But when I realized that second one

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was closer half a distance with the other one was

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you know, it was closer, and it was just sitting

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there staring at us, you know, and you know, like

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we said, you mentioned before when my first talk with you,

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you know, what its intentions were, you know, and it

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was just you know, it's like, you know, just hear

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from that little bit of this. You know, it's like

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it looked right at it's you know, like you know,

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you were just sitting there watching us, you know. And

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I do a picture of it the other day and

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me and my son was kind of talking about it

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again and I do kind of a sketch of what

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it looked like, and that's what he said, Yeah, that's

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what he remembers looking at it. And I was asking

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to come on, I saw it me, but I said

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he didn't want to. But we were talking about it earlier,

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what we you know, like I told you, I had

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told him. I told somebody about it, like a few

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days afterwards, like literally a couple of days afterwards. You know,

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I know we've seen, you know, seen some dogs over there.

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You know, it's pretty pretty large digging up something. And

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they asked me, you know, did you go there and

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see what they're digging up? There's no way, you know,

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and you see something like that broad daylight, you know,

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and if it's signing over there doing something, you know,

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I didn't want to go over there. And to this day,

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like you know, me and my son was talking about that,

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you know, we we should have been older and looked around,

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but you know, I just I don't know, I just

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do want to didn't cross my mind to where do

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you want to do that after you've seen him? And yeah,

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that was Yeah, that was about three summers ago. And

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like I sauld you, about three weeks ago, my sister

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lives outside of town. She was coming in and she

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sund me, she sounds tice something she sounds probably won't

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believe me, And she said what she said, I seen

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his dog running across the road right in front of

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my car. But she said it was she said, she

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said it was about as big as she said, a

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small horse. She said, so see, do you think they

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can get that big? You know? And I just started

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laughing because, you know, to say, I never really talked

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told her about what we've seen or you know, one

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thing that did cross my mind tonight was getting ready

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all these like starting from the the picture, from the

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spot where my my uncle took it down in the

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valley where my sister has seen it, and outside of

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town here where I've seen that one running at us

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directly in town, and me and my son seen that

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one right outside of town. Now, these all these happened

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seven years or so within that time frame, but we

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were just talking about it tonight. They all happened in

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a direct line from directly from east to west. I'm

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just thinking about that because they all happen. But that's

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I mean, those are my experiences or what we've seen.

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I don't know what I've uh.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Bart, after having those experiences, I wouldn't

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be surprised if you have another one sometime down the road.

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But I mean, you've got a pattern here of having

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encounters that aren't exactly bad dog mean encounters. I mean,

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the dog mean you've seen have only just looked at you.

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They haven't tried to frighten you or anything like that.

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Especially the fact that they haven't tried to harm yet.

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This is a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'll talk with said to you, But you know, when

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I first arries first seen that the first one running

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towards us, you know that one, it scared me to

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the point where, like, you know, I wanted to move,

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but it scared me where you know, I had to

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freeze for a little second and then when it moved

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then I can move again. But like it scared me.

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I would not have described it like the fear level

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wasn't that high. But when me and my son seen

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that second on those other two, you know, the the

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fear level really hit me. When I seen that second one,

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you know how close it was, and you know it

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was just sitting there, just like I said, to look

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at it on its face you know, then didn't look

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to good.

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Speaker 2: And you know, how would you describe the look on

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his face?

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Speaker 1: It looked mean. I'm not real good at describing that. Uh,

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Like I said, you know, it looked mean. It didn't

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look good. It gave me this utibly feeling, you know,

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like it just that's one thing too, I remember asking

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my son is I remember realizing that second one was

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looking at us. That's the very first thing that crossed

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my mind. Was asked my son to be have any

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weapons out here? And I don't know why I said that,

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because like I don't even know, you know, I don't

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know what we could have did if you know, it

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just team decided, you know, lunch towards this or because

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you know, we had like a spear, we have about

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some knives and stuff like that on the car and

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and you know you have any weapons. But you know,

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I was like, you know, its just you know not

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you know, it didn't growl at us. It didn't bark,

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you know, anything like that, make any noise, but it's

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just that look and you know that it's doing that's

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someone that sticks with me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it does. I don't want to put

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words into your mouth, but is it possible when you

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looked at the expression that had on its face, obviously

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you said it was an unhappy one, could it be

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construed as being an expression that it might have had

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because it was upset that you saw it. It was

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hoping to be that close and just remained undetected.

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Speaker 1: You know, the more I think about it, they were

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doing something you know, that's you know, I mean, we

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could tell me and my son that's one thing we noticed.

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You know, it was just throwing a dirt up in

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the air like water. That's it. Like you ever, like

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like when you sit like in the bathtub and you

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just splash all the water around you up behind you.

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You know, that's what it looked like. It was. It

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was tearing up the ground. It was it was looking

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for something. And when I noticed that, see, that's what

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and my son were thinking. You know, it already had

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to be sitting there watching us. But it's like it

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like it did, like just what you're saying, just not

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like like it did. It gave me that looked like

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it was mad because my son noticed it because you know,

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like he said, it wasn't like you didn't catch it

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moving or anything. It was already sitting there. But yeah,

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to me, gave me that looked like, you know, they

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were doing something. And yeah, it's like it's just that

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look up. You know, it's hard to.

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Speaker 2: To me.

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Speaker 1: It starts when you read expert expressions off someone's face,

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but looking at it aqua dog's face, you know, it

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just didn't look good.

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Speaker 2: And you know, no, I understand if you're being asked

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to describe an expression on a human's face, that's one thing,

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but yeah, their facial features don't normally lend themselves to

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basically being able to decipher expressions other than just anger

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or maybe another simple emotion. So yeah, I get it.

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It can't be easy to describe exactly the expression it

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had on its face. Let's bounce back to your uncle's

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experience there that day. How did he break it to

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you that he wanted to show you that picture? Did

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he seem concerned that you wouldn't take them seriously?

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Speaker 1: No, me and him, I always kind of talked about things.

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You know, he's seen some things, and you know, you know,

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personally we all have phones and got internet. But he was, uh,

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he I got the feeling that he wanted to show

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me that picture because he always he didn't know what

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he took a picture of. That's that's what. Yeah, Chris,

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he said, I've been staring at this picture for a

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while now, and he said, I don't know. He said,

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is it a man? He said, what is it? He said,

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what do you think it is? And that's a you know,

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And that's uh, when I really got a good look

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at it and staring at it for all and I said,

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where'd you take this? That you sit down here in

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the canyons, you know? And then I was looking at

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it and you said, yeah, you can zoom in on it,

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because when you look at the original picture of it,

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it actually does look like it does look like a

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man standing in a field, dressed and all black. But

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you zoom in on it and you get to see

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the full details of it. And that's it dawned on

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me what I was looking at, and I was like,

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do you know what? Do you know what you took

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a picture of? And you know, and then because after

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doing it, on it and you can get it and

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I can still get a good picture of it. I

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closed my eyes. You know that it's now like the

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reflection of the the nobles. You know, you can see

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it's now you can you can just see me, you know,

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standing up in the air. And that's you can just

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you just talk about looking at that picture. You know,

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he's he's taking a deep breath of the air. He's

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you know, whipping something, and you know, but yeah, it's

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just because yeah, at first gone it does it looks

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like a man signed there in a black black pants.

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But when we are I mean, you get a good

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get a very good view of it. You can see

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his you can see his arms hanging back. You can

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see it's got hands, and the way the shadow of

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it it's standing. He can't you can't really let make

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up the back legs of it like like you would

475
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,759
a dog. But you can tell it's signing up right,

476
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:43,480
you know. And when I explained it to him what

477
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:48,799
it was, you know, he he got pretty excited. He's

478
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,680
you know, he's serious, he's you know what. He said

479
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:54,799
that after I explained it to him what it was,

480
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,880
and he said, you know he shot can make it

481
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,240
out now, and you should. That makes sense, she said,

482
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:09,519
But I told him about your show, and I had

483
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:13,440
asked him. I said, uncle, you don't mind if you know,

484
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:15,679
you find that picture because it was on his old phone.

485
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,079
He said, it on his old phone, and I asked

486
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:20,559
him if he could. I said, would you mind sharing

487
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:23,000
it with me? It's like I could show to some

488
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,519
other people. And you say, I have no problem, he said,

489
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:28,920
but yeah, But he passed away a little over a

490
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,440
year ago, so I never got the chance to get

491
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,800
that from him.

492
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so sorry he passed away. You knew about

493
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,360
Dogman back then, obviously, but he didn't did Was he

494
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,519
blown away when you told him what that was? That

495
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,119
he had snapped a photo of.

496
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. He was a little bit excited, I

497
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,119
would say, because he said, he said, I've been staring

498
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,400
at that, you know, for days now, he and you know,

499
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,400
trying to figure out what it is, if it's some

500
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:05,159
kind of he said, did I get a picture of

501
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:07,320
a spirit or you know what? He was trying to

502
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,840
figure out what it was, and you know, I just

503
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,039
when I just when I first looked at it, you know,

504
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:17,760
and I said it was you know, I just said,

505
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,719
it catches you off guard because it looks like a

506
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,880
man standing in a field. And he do him in

507
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,159
on it and realized, you know, but like I said,

508
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:33,639
my uncle lived right at the edge of the like

509
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,119
the flatlines and then where it goes down into the canyon.

510
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,039
So he was like right at the edge of it.

511
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,960
And she's always said that. He asked me, he said,

512
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,400
you know, sometimes you just want to come out and

513
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,639
feed my dogs. She said, you know, he heard things

514
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:51,480
out there and stuff, and he said, I was kind

515
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,559
of wondering, you know, if there's something moving around through here,

516
00:35:56,679 --> 00:36:01,079
and like, you know, I was just thinking about that tonight,

517
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,039
you know, and all these things, just these little counters

518
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:06,199
we've seen or you know, these happenings here, and you're

519
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:11,199
all in a straight line. If I could show you

520
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,480
not where we live or somewhere, you know, it's all

521
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:17,199
in one straight line. And I don't think about that

522
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,400
till not till tonight.

523
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: That's interesting, is that line on a north south basis

524
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,159
or east.

525
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: West east west through our town?

526
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: Okay, wonder what that's all about. That's strange. Did your

527
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,119
ump have a history of strange things happening to him?

528
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,320
Or for all that you know, was that the only

529
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,360
paranormal experience he had.

530
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,119
Speaker 1: He showed me some some a couple other pictures he took,

531
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,519
so he's you know what I mean. And we've always talked,

532
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:56,960
and you know, he'd had an open idea, our open

533
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,199
mind about you know, other things out there, and we've

534
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,599
always talked about th same things. And yeah, he did

535
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:08,440
show me a few other pictures that were they're not

536
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:17,760
dog Man or Big Boy related. But uh uh, cloud,

537
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:20,440
what do you said? It was a real night, it's

538
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,760
a sunny day, he said, Look like this cloud just

539
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,679
showed up out of nowhere. So he started zooming in

540
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,599
on his with his phone again and taking pictures and

541
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,679
and it just it looks like what these drones are doing. Now,

542
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,320
that's what they kind of because the picture of it,

543
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,920
it shows something silver to show up, and then a

544
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,920
little while later, like three or four of them show

545
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,840
up behind it, and this whole time he's taking pictures

546
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,199
of them, so it's kind of like in a line

547
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,840
in a line. But yeah, he had those on his

548
00:37:52,920 --> 00:38:00,320
phone too. Yeah. I just always wish I could have

549
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,840
saved that picture and showed it to you and the

550
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,920
video that me and my son to you know, I

551
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,559
wish we could have. I wish we could have saved that. Yeah,

552
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,639
it is, like I said, in broad daylight, you know,

553
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,480
the sun sun shining out. You know, you don't expect

554
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,679
to see something that huge, you know, Like I said,

555
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,920
we thought it was a horse for son, you know,

556
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,360
but you know, horses don't be able to matter what

557
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,400
they're doing, you know.

558
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does make you wonder why it was

559
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:34,960
throwing dirt up in the air like that the way

560
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,719
it was. But you can't think for these things. You

561
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,440
never know why they do what they do. Their thoughts

562
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,320
are their own. But your uncle really did do a

563
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,960
great job of snapping a photo of that dog me

564
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:50,199
and he caught on film. He did really well, you

565
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,719
did a great job of describing how the first dog

566
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,840
mean you saw was moving there, but I'm still unsure

567
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,880
what you meant when you said that it looked kind

568
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,159
of like it was a TV be glitching when it

569
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,559
was moving towards you. Can you describe that a little

570
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,199
better for me or in a different way.

571
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: Let's see, like you can you like imagine somebody running

572
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:26,760
at you, but they're they're hopping, they're hopping side to

573
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,800
side like back and forth, but they're doing it so

574
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:35,440
fast and they're you know, they're coming at you. Like

575
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,880
I said, maybe it was maybe it was the lighting.

576
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,719
Maybe like I said, maybe it's maybe you know, because

577
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:44,559
you could see you could see it swinging its arms.

578
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,079
You could see that, you could tell it was moving.

579
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,719
But when I try to, you know, describe the bottom

580
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:58,000
half of it, that's the only thing that like it

581
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,079
was kicking back and forth, like you know, side to side,

582
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,880
like just left and right real but it was doing

583
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,760
it real quick, like like padding or something. You know,

584
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:15,239
it's kind of hard hard to describe it. I like

585
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,800
it like it was glitching or something. You know, like

586
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:21,280
the bottom path, like the bottom part was moving too

587
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,360
fast to kind of like it's like the bottom part

588
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,880
was you know, it was doing what it was supposed

589
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,079
to be, like like it was doing it slow mold

590
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:32,239
like it was you know, it was drogging, but it's

591
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,760
a bottom feet where that we're moving so fast. It

592
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:44,119
was moving quick, you know, because it covered it. I

593
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:53,519
want to say, I wouldn't say about a good maybe

594
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:57,239
just a little over half a block, like I said, Ma,

595
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,800
I'm looking at this from two blocks away, and it's

596
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,199
not like the full blocks. It's just you know, like

597
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,960
there's these little little roadblock city blocks and you say

598
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,079
the city blocks, but you know it's it's not too

599
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,079
far away. But you know, when it comes into view,

600
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:17,159
you see what it's doing. And I wouldn't even notice

601
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:20,440
it if you know, my friend left me. If you

602
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,480
didn't notice at first and you saw, oh, what is

603
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,960
this coming? You know, you know, and.

604
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: I that's kind of like my last movement I took

605
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:34,000
was I looked, I kind of leaned to the leaned

606
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:36,079
over the site to look past my other friend and

607
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,639
and you know, you get a view of what this

608
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:38,159
thing is.

609
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:43,199
Speaker 1: You know it's coming, it's it's moving quick, you know.

610
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,400
Like I said, I'm always so thankful that that car

611
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,800
was coming down the road, because I don't think that

612
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,559
car seeing it. I don't know what, because it was

613
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:57,599
just you know, just coming down the end of the block.

614
00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:59,840
And then it just happened to meet up like that

615
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,039
dog man would have met up with it. But it's

616
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:03,639
like as soon as you got close to the lights,

617
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,639
it just just jumps up in the air like nothing,

618
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,480
you know, just real fast, you know, it so quick.

619
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: You know.

620
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,199
Speaker 3: I was like, did I just see that?

621
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: You know, And like I said, that's kind of like

622
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,719
what snapped me on a bit like whoa you know,

623
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,719
and like I'm out of here. You know. That was

624
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,400
kind of you know, give you my all right, like

625
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,679
I said, it's snapped out of that little protesting you know,

626
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:30,599
to get moving.

627
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,519
Speaker 2: You never expected to see anything like that, that's understandable.

628
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:46,880
Was it vocalizing when it was running towards you.

629
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:55,159
Speaker 1: No, Uh, let me scra you know. You know how

630
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:59,679
it is like you know, wintertime when it's it's not

631
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,119
going on or notthing, but it's you know, it's just

632
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,320
dead quiet. You know, you can hear everything, you know,

633
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:10,280
just you know, and we were you know, just we

634
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:16,119
were like being real loud or everybody could hear us.

635
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:18,199
But you know, we were just standing in our little circle,

636
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,920
just you know, talking, and then and that's the one

637
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,519
thing that I don't remember hearing anything. It's like my

638
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,440
hearing went on, because that's why I always remember that

639
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,079
that was my last moment. I remember moving, was just

640
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:38,199
leaning over to the side a little bit so I

641
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,119
could look down the road to see what he's talking about.

642
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,760
Then when I moved, it just made me freeze. And

643
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,079
I don't remember I remember hearing anything, don't. I don't.

644
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:56,480
I didn't hear it, like anything running on the road,

645
00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:02,119
you know, prince, or don't know any you know, we're

646
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:05,000
printing in the sound of one coming. I don't remember

647
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:08,039
hearing that car coming out, because you know, like I said,

648
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,280
when you hear everything, you know, I would have heard

649
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,159
the crunching of the tires of the snow coming out,

650
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:16,800
and you know, we were hearing everything, but I don't.

651
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,079
I don't remember hearing nothing until so after it changed

652
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,199
course and it wasn't coming directly out of somewhere, you know,

653
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,960
when it when it went the other way. That that's

654
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:30,000
like everything, you know, like I said, maybe snap too,

655
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:32,960
and like whoa, everything came back and you know, hey,

656
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:34,639
I'm going this way. You know, we turned around and

657
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:35,159
took off.

658
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: It was your hearing, but maybe it was a form

659
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,000
of tunnel vision for your hearing, because when people see

660
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:49,639
things like that that caused them to panic, it's a

661
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,880
commonly reported effect that you get tunnel vision. Well, maybe

662
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,599
you're hearing was affected as well because you were in shock.

663
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:02,119
It's hard to say.

664
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: When that's what happened. Yeah, because like I said, it's

665
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,920
just you know, I don't remember hearing nothing. Couldn't move

666
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,079
for a second, And it's like I said, once they

667
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:12,800
moved direction, then that took maybe, you know, snap out

668
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,679
of it, made us move.

669
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,159
Speaker 2: I'm glad you snapped too. But I don't think it

670
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:21,519
was out to hurt you that day. I could be wrong.

671
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,480
There are examples of them that are dangerous, but yeah,

672
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,000
I just don't think it was out to hurt you

673
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,800
that day. When you had that second encounter three years ago,

674
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:33,880
were you still thinking about your first encounter on a

675
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,000
regular basis, or did you only think about that first

676
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:41,320
encounter on a once in a once in a long

677
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,599
time basis.

678
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: Don't come up when you know, when I'm busying with

679
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:52,239
friends and you know, we get to talking and you know,

680
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,480
tell them, you know, and he's seen some crazy stuff

681
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:56,320
out here. And then I always tell him, you know, hey,

682
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,519
you know I'm I'm not the only one. You know.

683
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:03,079
I had witnesses with me, especially my son. And but

684
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,679
like I said, you know, come across a lot of people.

685
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,559
You know, they look at you like, you know, you know,

686
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,719
like not like you're lying to them, but you're like,

687
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,400
you know, come on, you know, you're you're really you know,

688
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:20,239
you're really you know, you're one of those guys that

689
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,119
you guys see something, you know, and but you know

690
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:26,440
it's you know, you know, we've seen it. And you know,

691
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:33,079
like I said, what what sticks with me the most though,

692
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,800
is just realized that second one was just sitting there

693
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,239
looking at us, you know, like I don't know what

694
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,519
its intentions were, Like I said, that's it. I had

695
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:48,440
to look at disappointment, like you know, it's like ship,

696
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:52,079
you know, and you realized my son spotted him. And

697
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:55,320
when I don't know, it's like some of my son

698
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,320
said that, I said, look that there's another one. So

699
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,440
when I started looking around and when I when I

700
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:03,079
spotted where it was sitting at when I looked at it,

701
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:05,840
and it's like it was looking right directly right at it.

702
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,360
I mean, it was looking you know, it's just something

703
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:14,719
looking right at it. And you know, that's two things

704
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,079
frost my mind. Was this one's closer than the other one,

705
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,480
and this one, you know, it's it takes a second

706
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:26,320
for that one for that realization, like you know, whoa,

707
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:32,559
this one's closer, you know, And it was, you know,

708
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:35,599
laying down on the ground like it was trying to

709
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,239
blend in with those those taller because there was just

710
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,880
you know, it's an open plain. It's got grass, but

711
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,880
you know it's not like real thick, but just that

712
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:47,480
little spot in that corner there there was some little

713
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,920
taller grass and a little patch like that, and it

714
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,039
was just like it was just chilling with it. And

715
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,840
and like you got spotted.

716
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 2: And you said, the close one was looking at you,

717
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:03,679
steering you down. But when you noticed the one in

718
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,559
the field further away, was it looking in your direction

719
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,599
or somewhere else?

720
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,119
Speaker 1: No, Like I said, that one was that one was

721
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,480
it was digging for something. It was it was looking

722
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:20,400
it was digging for something, and it didn't care. You know,

723
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:22,639
that one didn't you know, it didn't have a care

724
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:24,320
in the world. Man. It was it was on a

725
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,480
mission for something. And that's what always sticks in our

726
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:31,480
mind here is like I said, it was just it

727
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:33,800
was just throwing up. Like I said, if you can

728
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:39,239
imagine being in a signbox and just just start digging

729
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,760
a whole right in front of you, and just start

730
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,320
throwing all that sign behind you, and just as fast

731
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,119
as you can every now and then you know, kind

732
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:48,239
of go in a circle, move around a little bit,

733
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,000
but you know, just staying at one spot. That's what

734
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:56,199
it was doing. And like I said, we were staying

735
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:58,440
at it. It gave us enough. It gave us a

736
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,920
few seconds for my son pull his phone off and

737
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:06,000
he started recording it, looking at it moving around and

738
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,599
like like two three seconds, I went by a nuts

739
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:13,719
and so I looked at there's another one and I

740
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,840
don't have I said that one scared of me, my treasure.

741
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: Oh I bet it did. Scary.

742
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

743
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 2: Do you think the fact that those two dog men

744
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,599
were out in broad daylight shook yet more than if

745
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:28,559
you would have had that experience at nighttime?

746
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:35,599
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, Like I said that when we seen that

747
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,119
night running dead at us, You know, it didn't run

748
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:44,079
at us. You know it was that that he gave

749
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:46,760
us a gave me a fear where you know it's like,

750
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,800
well can I wasn't say, like a deathening, frightening fear.

751
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:55,760
It made me free and you know, maybe me not

752
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,280
move for a second until it did. And then but

753
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:00,840
that second one in broad days, you know, once I

754
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,519
realized that second one, how close he was, you know

755
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:08,320
that one, and it just yeah, I still think about

756
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,960
that one, was seeking about it today, you know, just

757
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:18,760
you know it was right, yeah, like I said, you know,

758
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,559
it just it was mad. It is it mad? And

759
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,280
but it just the intent on its face, you know,

760
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,079
like it was it was it was up to no

761
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,679
good man. That's what That's the feeling I got from it,

762
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,199
you know, like the rought to no good and it

763
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,960
was just shitting there watching It's like, you know, like,

764
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,519
well are we doing you know, like interrupted him or something.

765
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:42,559
But that, like I said, that that second one though,

766
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:49,400
it was it was moving and because when you first

767
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,840
look at him, first looked at it, and that's the

768
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,480
first thing that crossed my mind was that is a

769
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,800
you know, that is a horse. But then you know,

770
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,079
to set you know, like to realization set in, you know,

771
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:07,639
like you said the tale, that's not a horse. Horses

772
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,960
don't do that. And then you realize it's it's digging

773
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,960
and it's doing dirt up in the air, and you

774
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,719
know that's that's not a horse man, that's a dog man.

775
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:21,280
But you know, kind of harder up, you know, in

776
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,400
your house of thinking about it, you know, and it's

777
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:28,519
the size of them.

778
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot to wrap your mind around. Like

779
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:35,519
we talked about when that first conversation that day, that

780
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,639
close one. It was more than close enough to you

781
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:40,400
to catch you before you could have made it to

782
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,880
the house, if it would have wanted to do that,

783
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,400
But that didn't happen. I don't know what was going on.

784
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:49,119
More than likely it was just keeping an eye on

785
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:52,400
you and your son. You happened to detect it. That

786
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,519
made it upset. But it didn't have any intentions on

787
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:57,360
taking you out, because like I said, it could have.

788
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,960
If it wanted to take you out that day, nothing

789
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:06,480
would have stopped it. But you're barty, your elders shared

790
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,079
any dog and related legends with you that you can

791
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:09,719
tell us about.

792
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:16,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, you know, but with our culture

793
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:18,800
and stuff, you know, we've heard stories. But you know,

794
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,119
we know there's you know, Bigfoot. You know, we know

795
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:26,000
he's always been out there. Like I have more of

796
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:28,519
understanding with him, you know. Don't bother him, You don't

797
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:30,719
bother us. And that's the main thing. You doesn't want

798
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:31,679
to be bothered, you know.

799
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 2: Can you put that dog in a different room.

800
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:44,519
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, thank you, Sorry about that.

801
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,079
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're fine. Yeah, I'm a dog lover myself,

802
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,159
No problem. I'm sorry. Please continue. You didn't mean to

803
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:52,760
interrupt you.

804
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm saying, we've always known big footing everythings

805
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,639
out there, Like you said, you know, I've seen him

806
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:04,719
before too, And but I never really heard any stories

807
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,480
about these man. But you don't always say that there's

808
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:13,920
there's other beings out there, you know. And I was,

809
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,320
you're gonna rack your mind trying to understand him. I think,

810
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,559
you know, even pressed guys that you know grew up around,

811
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:24,320
you know, in our culture, and you know, and all

812
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,840
this stuff a long time ago. And Jesus, like I said,

813
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,679
the dogmen are new.

814
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the frightening thing of dog men are out there?

815
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,480
What else is? Yeah? I mean, who knows what might

816
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,400
be out there in the shadows. Well, Bart let's get

817
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,280
to the questions now from the live chat. The first

818
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:49,920
one on deck is from Renee's more Tony and Renee

819
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,239
wants to know what color were the dog men he saw?

820
00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: They were all dark. The first one I seen running

821
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,360
out of that one I had more of, it was

822
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,639
a lighter color. I don't know. Maybe it was because

823
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:12,599
it was running under underneath the lights, but it seemed

824
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:14,719
lighter to me, even though it was dark. It seemed

825
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,039
lighter than those Those two were seen in broad daylight.

826
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:22,320
Those ones we seen in broad daylight, they were dark, Crandon,

827
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,800
they were dark, pitch black, you know, just just just

828
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,760
through the scenery off you know, and you know that

829
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:33,760
you know they don't belong there, you know.

830
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: Well that sure it makes them blending really well at night,

831
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,559
so I guess a night time that's one heck of

832
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:46,960
an advantage. This next question is from Al Santa Rica Hey.

833
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:50,679
Al Al wants to know bart did have a long

834
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:58,400
snail to a short one.

835
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: I would say they were all along, all of them are,

836
00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:08,280
because like the one I was digging moving around, I

837
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,679
couldn't you know, he couldn't really make out it snow

838
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,199
because you know, just being hunched over and digging. But

839
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,039
that one that looked at me, you know you can

840
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:22,119
see it snow it was. I mean that best. The

841
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:25,519
best description is take a picture of Germany shepherd, but

842
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:31,039
black it all out and you know, photo shopping in

843
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,440
and upfield. You know it can field, you know, that's

844
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,159
what I know. That's the catches your eye, you know,

845
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:36,920
and they don't they don't belong there.

846
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way to describe it. The next

847
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,800
one is from al as Well. He wants to know

848
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,840
how tall would you say it was? I think he's

849
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,599
asking about the one that was You said it was

850
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:50,599
as big as a horse.

851
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, there's different differences and horses, you know,

852
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,599
marriage studs, you know, they get bigger. But you know,

853
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,280
just if you imagine, I suppose I'm I can't remember

854
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,960
how they measure horses. They go my hands, you know,

855
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:22,280
being in and you should know. But the shoulders of it,

856
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,920
you know, I'm five ten and the back of it,

857
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,079
you know, the back of that dog had to be

858
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:31,639
to my shoulders and that was being on all fours.

859
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,039
So if distinct stood up, you know, I mean I

860
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:39,440
kind of I can't even imagine how tall that I

861
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,599
had to be. If it stood up. Because the one

862
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:46,119
we've seen on the ground just ahead of it, that

863
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,639
I don't know, I would have to imagine the tops

864
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:53,000
of its ears, you know, being laid down on the ground,

865
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:54,920
that just with its head up, you know, on top

866
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,559
of it. I had to read up to my top

867
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,360
of my hips, you don't know, my stomach. You know.

868
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,480
It was you know, it was tall. The one I

869
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:08,719
was running at us. I would see it from that distance,

870
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,639
from a couple of blocks away, you know, I would

871
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,960
just say, quick, guess, I would say it was that

872
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,960
had to be about six feet but it was. It

873
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,840
looked like it was hunched over a little bit, like

874
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,039
a little down. So no, no, yeah, it looks like

875
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:27,119
these things really wanted to take extend, you know and

876
00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:27,960
get pretty tall.

877
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

878
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: They do.

879
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,239
Speaker 2: And the one that was running at you're looking so creepy.

880
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:36,639
It was six feet tall, but it probably felt like

881
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:38,360
it was sixty feet tall.

882
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: Oh.

883
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,159
Speaker 2: That The next one up is from Colonel Chappie, and

884
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:49,000
he wants to know, was there any mind speak.

885
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: No, yeah that I wouldn't. I wouldn't say it's mine's feet.

886
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,079
But yeah, like I said, when just when I locked

887
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:00,679
eyes with that second one, you know it just I

888
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,239
just you know, I didn't like, you know, I'd been

889
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:06,360
getting words in my mind or anything like that, when

890
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,599
it's just you know, I got that feeling from this thing,

891
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:11,360
you know, and they just sent chills down my spine,

892
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,039
and you know that's that's I don't know why it

893
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:16,760
made me say that, but as the first thing, I

894
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,599
asked my son, you know, what kind of weapons do

895
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:21,400
we have in here? And I kind of laughed at myself.

896
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:23,000
I think about it now. I was like, you know,

897
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:24,679
I don't even know what we're going to do if

898
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:27,119
you know, if we did have you know, even like

899
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:28,960
if we had a twenty two or something, you know

900
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,840
that I wouldn't you know, decide he sings, then you

901
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:37,639
know we're going to do anything to him.

902
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were in total control, and they knew that too.

903
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,480
They're really intelligent. This next one is from Al Santa Riga.

904
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:50,039
He wants to know could it have been a hologram?

905
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,440
I think he's asking about the one that was looked

906
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:53,360
like it was glitching.

907
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:06,079
Speaker 1: I don't know if nah, because like like I said,

908
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,199
it had to be from the just the way we

909
00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:12,199
were I was looking at it. But like I said,

910
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:15,199
it's I don't. The only thing I can think of

911
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:18,880
it they were moving so fast it looked like it

912
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:22,199
was glitching. They looked like they it just didn't look natural.

913
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,159
You know, they were moving so quick. It didn't look great.

914
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,639
You know, That's that's only I could describe it. I didn't.

915
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:33,159
I don't think they know they were. They're in hologram,

916
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,119
and you know that's not those two. We've seen a

917
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:40,519
broad daylight. Man, what they were doing. Yeah, I don't

918
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:40,840
think so.

919
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,039
Speaker 2: Oh no, I believe you. Tig Chick wants to know.

920
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:48,920
Do you think the dog me that saw you and

921
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,679
your son was angry because your son took out his phone? Also,

922
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,079
you said your son took out his phone. Did you

923
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:55,880
record both?

924
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Like I said, a few seconds went by.

925
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,599
We were watching that second with that first one, and

926
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:08,880
it gave him enough time. You know, we're sitting there

927
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,679
watching it and when you pull his phone out and

928
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:16,840
he started recording it, and just from looking through his phone,

929
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:22,800
nothing died. Look there's another one. And it took me

930
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,880
a second of you know, I'm like, you know, my

931
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,719
eyes went back and forth real quick. And then when

932
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:30,440
you go when you do that real fast, you know

933
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,280
that you see this little spat over here, you know,

934
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,199
it doesn't it doesn't match up. And then when you

935
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:36,960
look at it and you realize.

936
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: What it is, you know, and then that's when it

937
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:46,280
gets real. Yeamn, that's how it normally goes way. The

938
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,679
splute wants to know. Do you feel like it was

939
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:51,400
feeding on your fear or enjoying your reaction?

940
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:01,159
Speaker 1: Nah? Like I said, we they were doing something, the

941
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:07,840
persone who was looking for something, digging for something, and yeah,

942
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,079
I just had that second one. It looked like it

943
01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:12,639
was just mad because you know, my son noticed it,

944
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,280
and you know, and it makes you wonder what they

945
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,320
were doing. And you know, that's you know, all kinds

946
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,360
of things go through my head, you know, like you know,

947
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,800
what was their intent? What were they doing? You know.

948
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,519
But the thing that least scares me, the most, one

949
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,000
that specific me is you know how close he was

950
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:35,119
to us. You know, it's like, you know, that person

951
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,559
was a distraction, but you know, like if they were

952
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,159
if they wanted to distract us for something, you know,

953
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,840
like what you know, you know, he was just off

954
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,199
in his own world, digging, and then when we started

955
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:49,840
watching him, paying attention to him, and then you know,

956
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,239
that's when my son noticed that second one and a

957
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,920
second one. Just just looking at it. Man, just give

958
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:02,960
me chills. And we're about maybe thirty weeks, thirty feet

959
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,000
away from a house, that's how far we got. Card

960
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:10,039
we were sitting from the house and then we noticed

961
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:14,199
them to the left of us. That's it, you know,

962
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:16,239
And that's it just crossed my mind. I realized, you know,

963
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,519
if we took off, we wanted to take off running,

964
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:24,599
you know, I mean, we were going to make it inside.

965
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels that close to you. There's no way

966
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,599
you would have been it to the door. Tina Brooks

967
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:33,440
wants to know where there are any sightings close to

968
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:36,360
I'm sorry, she wanted to know where any of the

969
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,559
sidings close to burial grounds or cemeteries.

970
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:46,679
Speaker 1: That's where did it all happened. When I tell you,

971
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,760
Mari Sandy that it jumps that Chilean fence right to

972
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,000
the right side of us, it jumps into a cemetery.

973
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,880
Those two, the two the two encounters me and my

974
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:04,239
son have is like literally two blocks away from the cemetery.

975
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,239
The other two sightings that happen are directly west of

976
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,800
the cemetery. You know, a few miles down the road.

977
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,239
But you know, like I said, they're all lying up

978
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,880
right here, and they're all right here by the cemetery.

979
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a pattern there where encounters are more likely.

980
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:24,880
They happen close to Native American burial grounds and just

981
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,000
cemeteries in general. So maybe there's some there there. It's

982
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,000
hard to say. Reckless wants to know were there any

983
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:35,320
big events going on in your life at the time

984
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,440
of the encounters.

985
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:47,039
Speaker 1: No. When I think about the two encounters I had,

986
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:50,880
I was having a good time that night first time

987
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,239
when I first that first encounter, you know, was I

988
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,119
going to go to some friend's house for having a

989
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,360
good time that night? You know, just on the blue

990
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,880
we see that that second one with my son, we

991
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,559
were having a good time that morning too, you know,

992
01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:07,599
we went outside, were just enjoying the sun. We listened

993
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:12,960
to music and we were talking and the blue and

994
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,199
that is that a horse? And it started from there?

995
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:23,559
Speaker 2: Oh man, No, that's not a horse. Bang Bang wants

996
01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:29,639
to know. Do you think it wears cloaking technology?

997
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:34,679
Speaker 1: I don't know if they. If they did, sure didn't

998
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:40,400
see any because I had the picture my uncle took

999
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:45,400
was broad daylight all snow background, you know, takes black.

1000
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,599
The two we see, you know they were you know

1001
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:53,000
if they do have it, and they sure don't didn't

1002
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:54,800
try to show it or you know, but you know

1003
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,320
they were just out in the open, and you know,

1004
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,800
like I said, it kind of wraps your mind. You know,

1005
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,000
my daughter, you wrap around this use you. You know,

1006
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,239
you expect to see someone like this broad daylyight.

1007
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,039
Speaker 2: You never expect to see a dog man period, until

1008
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:14,400
you do. Colonel chap He wants to know if you

1009
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:21,360
could tell their sexes. No, yeah, it sounds like they

1010
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,079
were still too far away to have a chance of

1011
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:27,760
doing that. The next one is from tig Chick. She

1012
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,159
wants to know the two you saw with your son,

1013
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,559
what was there? Fur like on both.

1014
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: Dark? But it was short. The only thing that was

1015
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:42,840
bushy was the kail on that second one or the

1016
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,639
first one. The second one couldn't talk because I was

1017
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:48,679
laying it was laying down on the grass.

1018
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: But the but.

1019
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:59,199
Speaker 1: The looking at both of them, you know, just just

1020
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:06,119
real dark, a little dark fur and it was short. Yeah,

1021
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:09,440
and you know that the only time I've seen any

1022
01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:12,320
long hair was under tail.

1023
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's no rhyme nor reason when it comes to

1024
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,440
the way their fur looks. It could be long, it

1025
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,760
can be short, it can be really neat, it can

1026
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,480
be really messy. It's just hard to say what you're

1027
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:28,159
going to get when it comes to that. And el

1028
01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:30,679
see in Tariga wants to know where its ears on

1029
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,519
the top of its head are on the sides.

1030
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,039
Speaker 1: When I was running towards this, you can see them

1031
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:47,599
up in the air. But like I said, that one

1032
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:50,960
was kind of it was. It was nighttime under a light,

1033
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:53,119
so it's like you can make out what it was,

1034
01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:55,239
but you know that will not be real good detail.

1035
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,800
When I was moving it around, I couldn't see it there.

1036
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:02,960
Like I said, I just had its heading and ground.

1037
01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:08,159
But the second one I seen staring at us. That

1038
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,519
one did, and that's one thing I always remember. The

1039
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:12,840
tears were pointing exactly straight out.

1040
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 2: Especially from being laid back. Thank goodness for that way

1041
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,719
of the split. Wants to know did you feel like

1042
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,480
you got stunned? Maybe your body's self defense mechanism kicked in.

1043
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that person, you know, I've heard, you

1044
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,920
know people talk about that, and you know, getting I

1045
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:42,159
don't know what do you call it? Uh yeah, yeah,

1046
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,480
getting exact to somebody. You know it did. You know?

1047
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:47,960
It made me freeze up. You know, I made all

1048
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,800
of us freeze up. You know, I talked with my

1049
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,639
buddies afterwards, you know, you know whatever we were looking at,

1050
01:07:52,719 --> 01:07:55,079
you know, you know, all of us were greeting you,

1051
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:57,039
and it's like he was trying to run out, trying

1052
01:07:57,079 --> 01:07:58,559
to move, and I was like me too, you know,

1053
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:01,039
I was trying to say something, you know, google all

1054
01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:03,519
of us. You know, it just put us in shock

1055
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:06,599
there for the second man, Like I said, if it

1056
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:09,320
wasn't for that car coming, it made it just changed

1057
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,719
direction and that's what kind of made us smooth. And

1058
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,119
it made us come out of it, you know, and

1059
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:18,600
oh you got to get moving. Yeah.

1060
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,119
Speaker 2: It's a lot to take in, it really is. And

1061
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:23,600
your son did a great job getting his phone out

1062
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,600
and being able to snack the snap the picture. That's

1063
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,439
really good. She and and Neweneezer wants to know. Do

1064
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,520
you think they have the ability to make people not

1065
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,840
notice them? Maybe that's what the one laying down was doing.

1066
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,319
If they can do that, or I guess the contact

1067
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:42,520
is context is if they can do that and for

1068
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,520
whatever reason, your son noticed it, for whatever reason.

1069
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: That's when I say yes and no. But because you know,

1070
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:58,840
like I said, the first one, you know, it just

1071
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,159
flat out didn't care, you know, it was doing it, staying,

1072
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,439
you didn't care if anybody's seen it. But that second

1073
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,960
one was hiding, you know, and like it didn't want

1074
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,319
to be seen. But my son noticed it, you know,

1075
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:16,319
And so I think, you know, if that one was

1076
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,119
I wouldn't have noticed that if my son wasn't happen

1077
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:23,560
to catch it looking through his phone. So I mean,

1078
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,520
I think, you know, I have to think about it now.

1079
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,199
And you know they're you know, they don't want to

1080
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:32,239
be seen. You know you're not going to see them.

1081
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:35,359
Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, they are the masters of hide and seek.

1082
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,680
The next two questions are from Christy, and these are

1083
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,199
just general questions about dog Man. I'm going to take

1084
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:45,560
V's first one is do they moving packs and travel

1085
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,000
or stay in one place? Well, Christy, you're talking about

1086
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:53,840
obligate carnivores that have a ridiculous daily cloric requirement, and

1087
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,960
that's something that we're going to talk about on next

1088
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,640
week's show. Again, I guess I should put this out

1089
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,640
there for everyone's so that people don't send me messages

1090
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,119
next week ask me where in the world the show is.

1091
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,279
I can't find it on YouTube. Vic Well, at the

1092
01:10:07,279 --> 01:10:10,640
head of the show, I mentioned that next week's show

1093
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,840
is not going to be YouTube friendly. It's going to

1094
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:17,079
have content in it that won't be well received on YouTube.

1095
01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:18,960
So with that in mind, if you want to listen

1096
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,479
to it, which I hope you do, please use your

1097
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:28,720
favorite podcast app iHeartRadio, Spotify, Spreaker, whatever your favorite podcast

1098
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,319
app is. The show's on all of them. That's the

1099
01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:33,680
only way you're going to be able to listen to it. Again,

1100
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:39,479
that's next week's show. But answer your question, Christiane. Their

1101
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,560
ridiculous daily cloric requirements. It makes it so that if

1102
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,279
they do hang out in numbers, which they occasionally do,

1103
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:50,199
apparently they would eat their way through the resources of

1104
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:52,920
a forest almost overnight if they did hang out in

1105
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,359
numbers for any period of time. So I think it's

1106
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,239
a necessity that they make habit out of just being

1107
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:04,800
alone as much as possible, And even at that, I

1108
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,720
do think, like any other large predator, they're going to

1109
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,840
move throughout a huge home range so that they don't

1110
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,840
deplete the resources of any given area so they can

1111
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,760
circle back to that area later on and just take

1112
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,159
advantage of the resources there. So it's not a hundred

1113
01:11:22,279 --> 01:11:26,680
killer type of a situation where they're just sterilizing an area,

1114
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:29,640
ruin it so they can't come back to it. No,

1115
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,279
they keep moving so that the areas that they do

1116
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:38,199
have inside their home ranges stay healthy and populated with resources.

1117
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,319
I hope that answers that question. The next one you

1118
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:47,039
had is do they like cold weather? Mostly? Well, we can't.

1119
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:49,600
We don't know if they do like cold weather. Mostly

1120
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,760
they're found in hot places. Next week's show, the guest

1121
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,199
is going to talk about being stationed down in Central

1122
01:11:56,239 --> 01:12:02,000
America and the places where he was stationed at. We're

1123
01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:05,880
eating up with dog men, not just small ones either

1124
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,399
big ones. So that right there is a testament to

1125
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,239
the fact that seems like the weather doesn't really affect

1126
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:15,039
them all that much. Whether it's cold in the area

1127
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:18,039
or hot, they do their thing and that's all there

1128
01:12:18,119 --> 01:12:20,000
is to it. I hope that the answer is that

1129
01:12:20,039 --> 01:12:24,800
one as well. The next question up is from al

1130
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,920
Santo Riga. He wants to know if you ever heard

1131
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:31,359
any of those dog men scream.

1132
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: I didn't hear him scream, but what I forgot to

1133
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:42,039
tell you too, is the exact house where we've seen

1134
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:48,479
those two dog men a few summers before that, because

1135
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,520
uh make Spanish real quick. That's my sister's house. Like

1136
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,960
I said, she doesn't allow smoking in her house, so

1137
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:58,319
I would I would always go outside and smoke my cigarettes.

1138
01:12:59,039 --> 01:13:01,880
And I come out about eleven o'clock at night, and

1139
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,720
I'm standing on the side of the house smoking a

1140
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:09,720
cigarette and something growls at me. Where I heard you

1141
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,680
guys say that. I don't know what you call it.

1142
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:18,039
That sound, I thought that just that little rumble in

1143
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:22,640
my chest and it scared me where like whoa. I

1144
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,279
turned around on the side of the house and I

1145
01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:26,439
went all the way around to the front door, and

1146
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,159
I stood right in front of the door, and I

1147
01:13:28,199 --> 01:13:31,800
was finishing my cigarette, and I heard that thing growl again,

1148
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,399
but this time it was growling right where I was

1149
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,720
standing on the side of the house. It got closer.

1150
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,319
So it just that's what made me ye throw my

1151
01:13:41,319 --> 01:13:42,520
cigarett away and I went inside.

1152
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you did. And I don't blame you.

1153
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,079
Don't blame you at all. Before I put up this

1154
01:13:51,159 --> 01:13:54,239
next question or address it, there's something else I should

1155
01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:56,439
probably put out there for you, all of you about

1156
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,000
next week's show as well. I know some of you

1157
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:01,520
let your little kid listen to the show with you,

1158
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,920
and if that's you, I'm going to highly recommend that

1159
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,479
you don't do that next week, at least not before

1160
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,640
listening to the show yourself, because some of the things

1161
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,479
that our guest is going to talk about that he

1162
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,960
witnessed down there when he was seeing them on a

1163
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,560
regular basis are not for young years. What he went through,

1164
01:14:21,239 --> 01:14:25,560
the horrors that he saw are just it's not exactly

1165
01:14:26,119 --> 01:14:30,640
PG content. I'll just put it that way. This next

1166
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,840
question for you, bart it is from Reckless and Reckless

1167
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,279
wants to know, did you feel anything in the ear

1168
01:14:37,399 --> 01:14:39,960
while you were with your son or did you notice

1169
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:46,319
it go quiet?

1170
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: No, I, like I said, when I started noticing him

1171
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:56,199
that it was already kind of quiet out anyways, So

1172
01:14:57,159 --> 01:14:59,760
I never really noticed that. I just saw my attention

1173
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,960
and focusing on what I was looking at, So I

1174
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,640
didn't really I didn't hear it, really hear it. Yeah,

1175
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,600
I didn't know that like like the birds or anything

1176
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,720
like that didn't go out, but you know, it's not there.

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I didn't really hear him anyways. You know, like I said,

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it wasn't that quite allowed.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, you have so much on your mind that hearing

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was probably the last thing on your mind anyway, So

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you might have missed something you might not have It's

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really hard to say. This is the last question of

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the night is from Andras Carizales, and Andres wants to

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know could there be in the old trails where the

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dog men were or nearby?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, our towns, you know, would have a history.

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It's old, like I said, right where our town's situated.

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It's you know, right next to the canyon to go

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deep into the canyons and it's pine trees and everything

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down there. But it's flat lands up here.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a good question, it really is. Well,

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that's it for the questions for tonight. Before we get

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out of here, bar, do you have any clothes in

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comments you'd like to put out there for us?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I just want to share share my stories

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and you know what we've seen around here. Yeah, I

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just want to share them.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for coming on and doing that, and of

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course we really do appreciate it. Then. Yeah, if I

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can never help you in the future, please let me know.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Having me.

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01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,319
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. You are welcome. Well, thanks again for

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01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:52,399
your time and have a great night.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 2: Thanks, we'll see Well, that's it for another show. If

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01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,520
you've had a dog me and encounter of your own

1207
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,960
that you need help dealing with, or if you'd like

1208
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,920
to come on the show and share it with the listeners,

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01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:10,119
please go to Dogmanancounters dot com submit a report and

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01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:12,319
if you do that then I'll reach out to you

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to schedule consultation on the phone. We'll take it from there.

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But one last time before we do get out of here,

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like I said, please remember, next week's episode will not

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be available on YouTube. It's not a YouTube friendly show,

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,880
putting not for children, disclaimers and whatnot on it. It's

1216
01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:37,399
just not for YouTube period. It's not a YouTube friendly episode.

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So it's best to just put on the podcast platforms.

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Like I said, whatever your favorite podcast app is, you

1219
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can find it there. So just search for Dogman Encounters

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and it'll be there for you. But having said that,

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as always, thanks again so much for listening in. Have

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a great nights.