Speaker 1: At a book.
Speaker 2: Hey everyone, thanks so much for listening to tonight's live
stream episode of the show. I really appreciate it. I
apologize for taken last week off too, by the way,
I wish I could tell you that it didn't feel
good to do that, but it sure did to get
a break. Yeah, that was well overdue. But moving forward
to current events, so that you know, next week's show
isn't going to be available on YouTube. The subject matter
of the show, the content isn't going to be YouTube
friendly due to the nature of it. The gist of
it is, next week's guest had some really over the
top extreme dog me and related experiences down in Central
America about forty five years ago when he was working
down there as a contractor. And this isn't a one
and done type situation. I mean he had to endure
being around dog men, a large group of dog men,
for years. Unfortunately. Well I can't go into too much
detail on it too much more, but suffice to say,
it's not going to be you too friendly, like I said,
So with that in mind, if you just go to
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If you're not already subscribed to dog mean encounters on
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But again, that's going to be next week's episode of
the show. Well, without any further ado, let's bring on
this week's guest. Tonight's guest is Bart Bart. Welcome to
the show. Hello, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh I know you're welcome. Bart. Please give us a
brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: Forty seven, got two kids. They're around high school age,
getting ready to hire on graduate. Just living on here
and on the plane in South Dakota.
Speaker 2: Wow, you must be catching the weatherwise right now. It's
got to be awfully cold.
Speaker 1: It's not too bad yet.
Speaker 2: Oh well that's good. That's really good. Then it's funny
you mentioned yours. From what I understand, they used to
give you a pretty hard time for listening to the show.
Here why they have a problem with you listening?
Speaker 1: It wasn't a problem, but they used to always hear me,
you know, listening to all the stories, and you know
they're would over always overhear them. And you know a
lot of women, you know, I suppose sounded scary to them.
Speaker 2: Oh I see, I thought they would tease you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Like I said, my me and my son
seen one hears from our scene two of rooms and mhmm.
Speaker 2: So he knew they were really out there. I see, Bart,
there's a house close to yours, at a place called
Soldier Creek where something strange happened. What more can you
tell us about that?
Speaker 1: I just heard the other day was they reported some
huge tracks coming from a creek or something and going
up to a house and going around it. But over
the years, I know they brought we heard stories over there,
and I always hear stories all around us anyway.
Speaker 2: So you have a lot of strange things happening all
over then in your area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, over the years.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, Yeah, that's not good. Makes you wonder what's next.
You've been listening to the show since I released episode
seventy eight. Yeah, that's been a long time ago. That
means you didn't have your first encounter until after you
started listening to the show. How sure were you if
they actually did exist before you had that first encounter?
Speaker 1: Like I said, it was, it didn't really hit home
until my uncle showed me that picture. He couldn't that
was and that's when it kind of sunk home with
me because that picture he took right now where I'm
living at was only probably about maybe five miles away
from here.
Speaker 2: So that's when it really sunk in that these guys
were real.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I've always you know, just like I said,
just from listening to your your other uh viewers and
listening to their encounters studio, and you know, just from
listening to the stories, all the stories that they are
a little bit and pieces of it, you know, they
all you know, they all got these little stories that
match up. And when I overseen overheard uh some of
the other viewers talking about pictures and then just describing
from what they've seen, and just from looking at that picture,
that's it. Yeah, that's why I I don't know, I
just made me realize another And I didn't expect it,
you know, from my uncle to take a picture of one,
you know, this close to home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never do expect to see one that closed
to home until you actually do. Unfortunately, you just touched
on this a minute or two ago about your son.
He was with you when you had your second encounter,
and this was about three weeks ago. How's he holding up?
How's he handling it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we kind of got the story. I might
have heard me wrong there they encountered me and my
son seen. That was about maybe three summers ago. The
story I was telling you about with my sister she
seen not about maybe three four weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Oh, I got those back where it's okay? Sorry about that.
Since it's been so long since he had that encounter,
is he processing it well and functioning the way he
should be or is he dealing with hang ups?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean, like I said, we're kind of
where we live. We just kind of get We're used
to hearing and seeing things around here. But it's just
wasn't something like that, you know, But yeah, we're we're okay.
I mean, you got no choice but to so I
have to go outside.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a good point. No matter what life
goes on, you have to do what you need to do.
Good point. You live in a part of the country
where there haven't been a lot of dog man encounters reported.
Do you think that's due to a lack of encounters
actually happening there, or because most eyewitnesses there don't report
their experiences.
Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of hard to say, because, like
I said, I know there's people around here that I've
seen other things, and I don't know if it's some
of them really report you know exactly what it is.
And that was another thing. I know. It's a lot
of listening to a lot of your episodes. Yeah, no,
I never really heard of any of them really being
over here in South Dakota.
Speaker 2: I've had them reported in South Dakota, North Dakota. But
I think you're right. I can't remember any guests coming
on the show to talk about that, so yeah, I
think you're right. All right, Bart, please tell us about
your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that comes
to mind.
Speaker 1: I'll start with my uncle first. His He took that
picture about six seven years ago. It was probably I
wouldn't I don't know, probably maybe like the following summer
after that, probably not even that long because he took
that picture in the wintertime, so it had to be
that following summer when he showed it to me, and you're,
you know, just sitting in his car talking and he said,
he said, I got a picture on it to show you.
He said, you know, if you can tell me what
this is, And yeah, it took me a second to
when I was looking at it, you know, and and
he said, you can zoom in too if you want.
Someone I you know, zoomed it in a little better,
you know. And then they really dawned on me what
I was looking at, and I couldn't bleed. And you know,
he took a picture of this and broad daylight. You know,
he said that when he conducted a y and the
valley took a lapt on the right side of the road,
there's a clearing. And remember how it is in the wintertime.
It wasn't snowing or cold up, but you know the summer,
the sun was out and everything that clear day off
And he said, that's what caught his eye because he's
sold down to stop because it looked like he said,
look like a man kneeling down he sails digging something.
You can see him moving around. So as he cooled
his phone out and as soon as you go in
to take a picture, and he said, that's when that
thing stood up. And he said when when he stood up,
he just said he knew it didn't look like a man.
So that's when he took off. And when he showed
the picture to me, like like I said, if you
could just imagine, you know, the bud the whereof you know,
standing up. You tell you he's got his head up
in the air and he sniffed in the air and
he's got his arms back. You can see his legs
and that's what that's as soon as my uncle took
that picture, and that's and he said, I got scared
and he took off, But yeah, he caught it just
right though, right because you can tell him, you know,
sniffing the air, and after that and you laugh, and
not too long after that, that's when that's sudden. Be
my buddy. We're walking home, they said, about three at night,
another buddy of ours comes walking out. He said, they
want to know if you guys want to come over
to this other house and visit for wall And we
said yeah. We turn around, start walking. Were run into
this other girl and she walks out and sees us
and as you know, like I said, we got about
maybe you know, small little towns was a three four
blocks to go. It's not very long, you know, it's
in town up she's so we walk with you guys
so far. She had no problem. We walk into the
middle of town and there's four of us. We stopped
to re visit, and we're starting and talking. Me and
my buddy face east and our other friends are facing west,
and my buddy next to me, he said, boy, what
is that coming? And I look around my friend and
this is two blocks away from us, and this is
this isn't you think city blocks? You know, these are small,
little hural blocks, you know, so it's like it's probably
not even half a city block assume, but you know,
it's not that fire. And we can see it, like
I said, takes a takes a second two to kind
of register what I was looking at because it was
moving so fast and I'm going to see the top
top part of it, the head see his arms swinging,
and like I said, that's what sticks to my head
so much. Is the way it was moving. Like I said,
it was it was coming towards us really fast, but
it looked like it was jumping side to side. Like
I said, it's kind of hard to describe. Its Yeah,
it's like it's like like I don't know, like a
TV glitching, but like the top part of it ain't glitching.
It's just the bottom part of it. And it's moving real,
you know, it just doesn't look right it takes I
would say, within that one block. H it's coming out
of so quick. Within that time, we all just freeze,
all of us, you know, we don't move, we don't
say nothing. We're just looking at this scene coming through
this and with it. It gets within like maybe a
half a block within us, and a car comes up
when it gets close to the lights, and that's when
it disappears into the Uh, like I said, jumps the
chaining fence right next to us, one of us ten
foot chaining fence, and it jumps over into that, you know,
it jumps over it like it was nothing. But yeah,
it was moving so fast and quick. He needs to say. Once.
There's once that car pulled up and got close to
the lights and they changed direction. That's when we all
kind of snapped out of it. And we all turned
around and we took off the other direction, and they
two of our buddies split up the other way, and
me and the other one went the other way. You know,
we just went to get going. And that was that
was our first one. Then the second one. This was
about three summers ago. Me and my son, like I said,
the edge of our town. We lived directly at the
edge of it. There's, like you imagine a little small
town square. Right at the corner of that town there's
a little cola soccer, a little half to see. We
lived at the edge of it, Bob. Nine thirty ten
in the morning, Me and my sons, uh, like it's Sunnia.
We have a vehicle that's behind our house. We always
sit out there and listen to music and smoke cigarettes
out there and all right, do anything. We we walk
out there, Like I said, this is like nine thirty
ten in the morning, summer day out. You know, it's
really nice. We get in a car. Both your doors
are open, and we're facing each We're sitting talking and
my son is the one I noticed them first, facing east.
But if you imagine looking you know, it's nothing about
flatline and off into that field to our left, about
sixty five feet into that field, there's something in that building.
And my son asked me, he said, that is that
a horse? So when I start looking at it, I
noticed two things right off. First thing is there's stuff
getting thrown up in the air, and it's you know,
it's coming up real fast, just getting thrown And I
noticed the second thing I notice is the tail it's
it's it's a really long, thick, bushy tail, just like
a German separate or something like that. And you know,
it's sticking up in the air, and I noticed that's
the tring. I noticed. You know, horses don't have tails
like that, you know. I see you see him stick
them up kind of like in the air when he
tried to. But this thing was way up in the
air and it was digging for something. I sn't back
up a little bit. You see it moving around, and
I realized it's you know, it's got it's got paws
or hands or you know, but it's got arms, and
it's it's digging in the ground for something. And that's
when you know this, You know, my mind is seeking.
You know, it looks as as big as the worse
and it looks like one, but you know, you know
it's not. And you just tell them about the fir
and the color of it. The tail realized what it's doing.
It gives us a few seconds for us to look
at this, and you know, my mind kind of registered
we I'm looking at and actually give us a few
seconds from my son to Yeah. He pulls out his
phone and he starts to record it, and we're both
sitting there looking at it, and you know, he's I
could see it on the phone, you know, what it's
still doing and moving around, and and that's when my
son goes, oh Dad, look there's another one. So I
take my view off of off my view off of
what that one's doing. And I started looking in that
field because you know, it's the open field, but off
to the side there, just off to the left side
of it. That first one was about sixty five feet
and so this other one was about half the distance
of that size. I would say it's about thirty five
forty feet away from us. Man, it was close. And
that's it. It dawns on me what I'm looking at
because there's a there's another one. There is the second one,
and it's staying right at us. And you know, this
one's this one's just you know, it's just like you
you know, if you see a dog, you know, it's
just laying on the ground, you know, and it's just
chilling there, you know. And and that's a that's a
I told my son that that's that's the one that
scared me. You know, you know, I kind of got
somehow looking at the other one. How big that thing
was moving around. But when I realized that second one
was closer half a distance with the other one was
you know, it was closer, and it was just sitting
there staring at us, you know, and you know, like
we said, you mentioned before when my first talk with you,
you know, what its intentions were, you know, and it
was just you know, it's like, you know, just hear
from that little bit of this. You know, it's like
it looked right at it's you know, like you know,
you were just sitting there watching us, you know. And
I do a picture of it the other day and
me and my son was kind of talking about it
again and I do kind of a sketch of what
it looked like, and that's what he said, Yeah, that's
what he remembers looking at it. And I was asking
to come on, I saw it me, but I said
he didn't want to. But we were talking about it earlier,
what we you know, like I told you, I had
told him. I told somebody about it, like a few
days afterwards, like literally a couple of days afterwards. You know,
I know we've seen, you know, seen some dogs over there.
You know, it's pretty pretty large digging up something. And
they asked me, you know, did you go there and
see what they're digging up? There's no way, you know,
and you see something like that broad daylight, you know,
and if it's signing over there doing something, you know,
I didn't want to go over there. And to this day,
like you know, me and my son was talking about that,
you know, we we should have been older and looked around,
but you know, I just I don't know, I just
do want to didn't cross my mind to where do
you want to do that after you've seen him? And yeah,
that was Yeah, that was about three summers ago. And
like I sauld you, about three weeks ago, my sister
lives outside of town. She was coming in and she
sund me, she sounds tice something she sounds probably won't
believe me, And she said what she said, I seen
his dog running across the road right in front of
my car. But she said it was she said, she
said it was about as big as she said, a
small horse. She said, so see, do you think they
can get that big? You know? And I just started
laughing because, you know, to say, I never really talked
told her about what we've seen or you know, one
thing that did cross my mind tonight was getting ready
all these like starting from the the picture, from the
spot where my my uncle took it down in the
valley where my sister has seen it, and outside of
town here where I've seen that one running at us
directly in town, and me and my son seen that
one right outside of town. Now, these all these happened
seven years or so within that time frame, but we
were just talking about it tonight. They all happened in
a direct line from directly from east to west. I'm
just thinking about that because they all happen. But that's
I mean, those are my experiences or what we've seen.
I don't know what I've uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Bart, after having those experiences, I wouldn't
be surprised if you have another one sometime down the road.
But I mean, you've got a pattern here of having
encounters that aren't exactly bad dog mean encounters. I mean,
the dog mean you've seen have only just looked at you.
They haven't tried to frighten you or anything like that.
Especially the fact that they haven't tried to harm yet.
This is a lot.
Speaker 1: I'll talk with said to you, But you know, when
I first arries first seen that the first one running
towards us, you know that one, it scared me to
the point where, like, you know, I wanted to move,
but it scared me where you know, I had to
freeze for a little second and then when it moved
then I can move again. But like it scared me.
I would not have described it like the fear level
wasn't that high. But when me and my son seen
that second on those other two, you know, the the
fear level really hit me. When I seen that second one,
you know how close it was, and you know it
was just sitting there, just like I said, to look
at it on its face you know, then didn't look
to good.
Speaker 2: And you know, how would you describe the look on
his face?
Speaker 1: It looked mean. I'm not real good at describing that. Uh,
Like I said, you know, it looked mean. It didn't
look good. It gave me this utibly feeling, you know,
like it just that's one thing too, I remember asking
my son is I remember realizing that second one was
looking at us. That's the very first thing that crossed
my mind. Was asked my son to be have any
weapons out here? And I don't know why I said that,
because like I don't even know, you know, I don't
know what we could have did if you know, it
just team decided, you know, lunch towards this or because
you know, we had like a spear, we have about
some knives and stuff like that on the car and
and you know you have any weapons. But you know,
I was like, you know, its just you know not
you know, it didn't growl at us. It didn't bark,
you know, anything like that, make any noise, but it's
just that look and you know that it's doing that's
someone that sticks with me.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it does. I don't want to put
words into your mouth, but is it possible when you
looked at the expression that had on its face, obviously
you said it was an unhappy one, could it be
construed as being an expression that it might have had
because it was upset that you saw it. It was
hoping to be that close and just remained undetected.
Speaker 1: You know, the more I think about it, they were
doing something you know, that's you know, I mean, we
could tell me and my son that's one thing we noticed.
You know, it was just throwing a dirt up in
the air like water. That's it. Like you ever, like
like when you sit like in the bathtub and you
just splash all the water around you up behind you.
You know, that's what it looked like. It was. It
was tearing up the ground. It was it was looking
for something. And when I noticed that, see, that's what
and my son were thinking. You know, it already had
to be sitting there watching us. But it's like it
like it did, like just what you're saying, just not
like like it did. It gave me that looked like
it was mad because my son noticed it because you know,
like he said, it wasn't like you didn't catch it
moving or anything. It was already sitting there. But yeah,
to me, gave me that looked like, you know, they
were doing something. And yeah, it's like it's just that
look up. You know, it's hard to.
Speaker 2: To me.
Speaker 1: It starts when you read expert expressions off someone's face,
but looking at it aqua dog's face, you know, it
just didn't look good.
Speaker 2: And you know, no, I understand if you're being asked
to describe an expression on a human's face, that's one thing,
but yeah, their facial features don't normally lend themselves to
basically being able to decipher expressions other than just anger
or maybe another simple emotion. So yeah, I get it.
It can't be easy to describe exactly the expression it
had on its face. Let's bounce back to your uncle's
experience there that day. How did he break it to
you that he wanted to show you that picture? Did
he seem concerned that you wouldn't take them seriously?
Speaker 1: No, me and him, I always kind of talked about things.
You know, he's seen some things, and you know, you know,
personally we all have phones and got internet. But he was, uh,
he I got the feeling that he wanted to show
me that picture because he always he didn't know what
he took a picture of. That's that's what. Yeah, Chris,
he said, I've been staring at this picture for a
while now, and he said, I don't know. He said,
is it a man? He said, what is it? He said,
what do you think it is? And that's a you know,
And that's uh, when I really got a good look
at it and staring at it for all and I said,
where'd you take this? That you sit down here in
the canyons, you know? And then I was looking at
it and you said, yeah, you can zoom in on it,
because when you look at the original picture of it,
it actually does look like it does look like a
man standing in a field, dressed and all black. But
you zoom in on it and you get to see
the full details of it. And that's it dawned on
me what I was looking at, and I was like,
do you know what? Do you know what you took
a picture of? And you know, and then because after
doing it, on it and you can get it and
I can still get a good picture of it. I
closed my eyes. You know that it's now like the
reflection of the the nobles. You know, you can see
it's now you can you can just see me, you know,
standing up in the air. And that's you can just
you just talk about looking at that picture. You know,
he's he's taking a deep breath of the air. He's
you know, whipping something, and you know, but yeah, it's
just because yeah, at first gone it does it looks
like a man signed there in a black black pants.
But when we are I mean, you get a good
get a very good view of it. You can see
his you can see his arms hanging back. You can
see it's got hands, and the way the shadow of
it it's standing. He can't you can't really let make
up the back legs of it like like you would
a dog. But you can tell it's signing up right,
you know. And when I explained it to him what
it was, you know, he he got pretty excited. He's
you know, he's serious, he's you know what. He said
that after I explained it to him what it was,
and he said, you know he shot can make it
out now, and you should. That makes sense, she said,
But I told him about your show, and I had
asked him. I said, uncle, you don't mind if you know,
you find that picture because it was on his old phone.
He said, it on his old phone, and I asked
him if he could. I said, would you mind sharing
it with me? It's like I could show to some
other people. And you say, I have no problem, he said,
but yeah, But he passed away a little over a
year ago, so I never got the chance to get
that from him.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so sorry he passed away. You knew about
Dogman back then, obviously, but he didn't did Was he
blown away when you told him what that was? That
he had snapped a photo of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. He was a little bit excited, I
would say, because he said, he said, I've been staring
at that, you know, for days now, he and you know,
trying to figure out what it is, if it's some
kind of he said, did I get a picture of
a spirit or you know what? He was trying to
figure out what it was, and you know, I just
when I just when I first looked at it, you know,
and I said it was you know, I just said,
it catches you off guard because it looks like a
man standing in a field. And he do him in
on it and realized, you know, but like I said,
my uncle lived right at the edge of the like
the flatlines and then where it goes down into the canyon.
So he was like right at the edge of it.
And she's always said that. He asked me, he said,
you know, sometimes you just want to come out and
feed my dogs. She said, you know, he heard things
out there and stuff, and he said, I was kind
of wondering, you know, if there's something moving around through here,
and like, you know, I was just thinking about that tonight,
you know, and all these things, just these little counters
we've seen or you know, these happenings here, and you're
all in a straight line. If I could show you
not where we live or somewhere, you know, it's all
in one straight line. And I don't think about that
till not till tonight.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, is that line on a north south basis
or east.
Speaker 1: West east west through our town?
Speaker 2: Okay, wonder what that's all about. That's strange. Did your
ump have a history of strange things happening to him?
Or for all that you know, was that the only
paranormal experience he had.
Speaker 1: He showed me some some a couple other pictures he took,
so he's you know what I mean. And we've always talked,
and you know, he'd had an open idea, our open
mind about you know, other things out there, and we've
always talked about th same things. And yeah, he did
show me a few other pictures that were they're not
dog Man or Big Boy related. But uh uh, cloud,
what do you said? It was a real night, it's
a sunny day, he said, Look like this cloud just
showed up out of nowhere. So he started zooming in
on his with his phone again and taking pictures and
and it just it looks like what these drones are doing. Now,
that's what they kind of because the picture of it,
it shows something silver to show up, and then a
little while later, like three or four of them show
up behind it, and this whole time he's taking pictures
of them, so it's kind of like in a line
in a line. But yeah, he had those on his
phone too. Yeah. I just always wish I could have
saved that picture and showed it to you and the
video that me and my son to you know, I
wish we could have. I wish we could have saved that. Yeah,
it is, like I said, in broad daylight, you know,
the sun sun shining out. You know, you don't expect
to see something that huge, you know, Like I said,
we thought it was a horse for son, you know,
but you know, horses don't be able to matter what
they're doing, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does make you wonder why it was
throwing dirt up in the air like that the way
it was. But you can't think for these things. You
never know why they do what they do. Their thoughts
are their own. But your uncle really did do a
great job of snapping a photo of that dog me
and he caught on film. He did really well, you
did a great job of describing how the first dog
mean you saw was moving there, but I'm still unsure
what you meant when you said that it looked kind
of like it was a TV be glitching when it
was moving towards you. Can you describe that a little
better for me or in a different way.
Speaker 1: Let's see, like you can you like imagine somebody running
at you, but they're they're hopping, they're hopping side to
side like back and forth, but they're doing it so
fast and they're you know, they're coming at you. Like
I said, maybe it was maybe it was the lighting.
Maybe like I said, maybe it's maybe you know, because
you could see you could see it swinging its arms.
You could see that, you could tell it was moving.
But when I try to, you know, describe the bottom
half of it, that's the only thing that like it
was kicking back and forth, like you know, side to side,
like just left and right real but it was doing
it real quick, like like padding or something. You know,
it's kind of hard hard to describe it. I like
it like it was glitching or something. You know, like
the bottom path, like the bottom part was moving too
fast to kind of like it's like the bottom part
was you know, it was doing what it was supposed
to be, like like it was doing it slow mold
like it was you know, it was drogging, but it's
a bottom feet where that we're moving so fast. It
was moving quick, you know, because it covered it. I
want to say, I wouldn't say about a good maybe
just a little over half a block, like I said, Ma,
I'm looking at this from two blocks away, and it's
not like the full blocks. It's just you know, like
there's these little little roadblock city blocks and you say
the city blocks, but you know it's it's not too
far away. But you know, when it comes into view,
you see what it's doing. And I wouldn't even notice
it if you know, my friend left me. If you
didn't notice at first and you saw, oh, what is
this coming? You know, you know, and.
Speaker 3: I that's kind of like my last movement I took
was I looked, I kind of leaned to the leaned
over the site to look past my other friend and
and you know, you get a view of what this
thing is.
Speaker 1: You know it's coming, it's it's moving quick, you know.
Like I said, I'm always so thankful that that car
was coming down the road, because I don't think that
car seeing it. I don't know what, because it was
just you know, just coming down the end of the block.
And then it just happened to meet up like that
dog man would have met up with it. But it's
like as soon as you got close to the lights,
it just just jumps up in the air like nothing,
you know, just real fast, you know, it so quick.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I was like, did I just see that?
Speaker 1: You know, And like I said, that's kind of like
what snapped me on a bit like whoa you know,
and like I'm out of here. You know. That was
kind of you know, give you my all right, like
I said, it's snapped out of that little protesting you know,
to get moving.
Speaker 2: You never expected to see anything like that, that's understandable.
Was it vocalizing when it was running towards you.
Speaker 1: No, Uh, let me scra you know. You know how
it is like you know, wintertime when it's it's not
going on or notthing, but it's you know, it's just
dead quiet. You know, you can hear everything, you know,
just you know, and we were you know, just we
were like being real loud or everybody could hear us.
But you know, we were just standing in our little circle,
just you know, talking, and then and that's the one
thing that I don't remember hearing anything. It's like my
hearing went on, because that's why I always remember that
that was my last moment. I remember moving, was just
leaning over to the side a little bit so I
could look down the road to see what he's talking about.
Then when I moved, it just made me freeze. And
I don't remember I remember hearing anything, don't. I don't.
I didn't hear it, like anything running on the road,
you know, prince, or don't know any you know, we're
printing in the sound of one coming. I don't remember
hearing that car coming out, because you know, like I said,
when you hear everything, you know, I would have heard
the crunching of the tires of the snow coming out,
and you know, we were hearing everything, but I don't.
I don't remember hearing nothing until so after it changed
course and it wasn't coming directly out of somewhere, you know,
when it when it went the other way. That that's
like everything, you know, like I said, maybe snap too,
and like whoa, everything came back and you know, hey,
I'm going this way. You know, we turned around and
took off.
Speaker 2: It was your hearing, but maybe it was a form
of tunnel vision for your hearing, because when people see
things like that that caused them to panic, it's a
commonly reported effect that you get tunnel vision. Well, maybe
you're hearing was affected as well because you were in shock.
It's hard to say.
Speaker 1: When that's what happened. Yeah, because like I said, it's
just you know, I don't remember hearing nothing. Couldn't move
for a second, And it's like I said, once they
moved direction, then that took maybe, you know, snap out
of it, made us move.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you snapped too. But I don't think it
was out to hurt you that day. I could be wrong.
There are examples of them that are dangerous, but yeah,
I just don't think it was out to hurt you
that day. When you had that second encounter three years ago,
were you still thinking about your first encounter on a
regular basis, or did you only think about that first
encounter on a once in a once in a long
time basis.
Speaker 1: Don't come up when you know, when I'm busying with
friends and you know, we get to talking and you know,
tell them, you know, and he's seen some crazy stuff
out here. And then I always tell him, you know, hey,
you know I'm I'm not the only one. You know.
I had witnesses with me, especially my son. And but
like I said, you know, come across a lot of people.
You know, they look at you like, you know, you know,
like not like you're lying to them, but you're like,
you know, come on, you know, you're you're really you know,
you're really you know, you're one of those guys that
you guys see something, you know, and but you know
it's you know, you know, we've seen it. And you know,
like I said, what what sticks with me the most though,
is just realized that second one was just sitting there
looking at us, you know, like I don't know what
its intentions were, Like I said, that's it. I had
to look at disappointment, like you know, it's like ship,
you know, and you realized my son spotted him. And
when I don't know, it's like some of my son
said that, I said, look that there's another one. So
when I started looking around and when I when I
spotted where it was sitting at when I looked at it,
and it's like it was looking right directly right at it.
I mean, it was looking you know, it's just something
looking right at it. And you know, that's two things
frost my mind. Was this one's closer than the other one,
and this one, you know, it's it takes a second
for that one for that realization, like you know, whoa,
this one's closer, you know, And it was, you know,
laying down on the ground like it was trying to
blend in with those those taller because there was just
you know, it's an open plain. It's got grass, but
you know it's not like real thick, but just that
little spot in that corner there there was some little
taller grass and a little patch like that, and it
was just like it was just chilling with it. And
and like you got spotted.
Speaker 2: And you said, the close one was looking at you,
steering you down. But when you noticed the one in
the field further away, was it looking in your direction
or somewhere else?
Speaker 1: No, Like I said, that one was that one was
it was digging for something. It was it was looking
it was digging for something, and it didn't care. You know,
that one didn't you know, it didn't have a care
in the world. Man. It was it was on a
mission for something. And that's what always sticks in our
mind here is like I said, it was just it
was just throwing up. Like I said, if you can
imagine being in a signbox and just just start digging
a whole right in front of you, and just start
throwing all that sign behind you, and just as fast
as you can every now and then you know, kind
of go in a circle, move around a little bit,
but you know, just staying at one spot. That's what
it was doing. And like I said, we were staying
at it. It gave us enough. It gave us a
few seconds for my son pull his phone off and
he started recording it, looking at it moving around and
like like two three seconds, I went by a nuts
and so I looked at there's another one and I
don't have I said that one scared of me, my treasure.
Speaker 2: Oh I bet it did. Scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think the fact that those two dog men
were out in broad daylight shook yet more than if
you would have had that experience at nighttime?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, Like I said that when we seen that
night running dead at us, You know, it didn't run
at us. You know it was that that he gave
us a gave me a fear where you know it's like,
well can I wasn't say, like a deathening, frightening fear.
It made me free and you know, maybe me not
move for a second until it did. And then but
that second one in broad days, you know, once I
realized that second one, how close he was, you know
that one, and it just yeah, I still think about
that one, was seeking about it today, you know, just
you know it was right, yeah, like I said, you know,
it just it was mad. It is it mad? And
but it just the intent on its face, you know,
like it was it was it was up to no
good man. That's what That's the feeling I got from it,
you know, like the rought to no good and it
was just shitting there watching It's like, you know, like,
well are we doing you know, like interrupted him or something.
But that, like I said, that that second one though,
it was it was moving and because when you first
look at him, first looked at it, and that's the
first thing that crossed my mind was that is a
you know, that is a horse. But then you know,
to set you know, like to realization set in, you know,
like you said the tale, that's not a horse. Horses
don't do that. And then you realize it's it's digging
and it's doing dirt up in the air, and you
know that's that's not a horse man, that's a dog man.
But you know, kind of harder up, you know, in
your house of thinking about it, you know, and it's
the size of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot to wrap your mind around. Like
we talked about when that first conversation that day, that
close one. It was more than close enough to you
to catch you before you could have made it to
the house, if it would have wanted to do that,
But that didn't happen. I don't know what was going on.
More than likely it was just keeping an eye on
you and your son. You happened to detect it. That
made it upset. But it didn't have any intentions on
taking you out, because like I said, it could have.
If it wanted to take you out that day, nothing
would have stopped it. But you're barty, your elders shared
any dog and related legends with you that you can
tell us about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, you know, but with our culture
and stuff, you know, we've heard stories. But you know,
we know there's you know, Bigfoot. You know, we know
he's always been out there. Like I have more of
understanding with him, you know. Don't bother him, You don't
bother us. And that's the main thing. You doesn't want
to be bothered, you know.
Speaker 2: Can you put that dog in a different room.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, thank you, Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're fine. Yeah, I'm a dog lover myself,
No problem. I'm sorry. Please continue. You didn't mean to
interrupt you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm saying, we've always known big footing everythings
out there, Like you said, you know, I've seen him
before too, And but I never really heard any stories
about these man. But you don't always say that there's
there's other beings out there, you know. And I was,
you're gonna rack your mind trying to understand him. I think,
you know, even pressed guys that you know grew up around,
you know, in our culture, and you know, and all
this stuff a long time ago. And Jesus, like I said,
the dogmen are new.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the frightening thing of dog men are out there?
What else is? Yeah? I mean, who knows what might
be out there in the shadows. Well, Bart let's get
to the questions now from the live chat. The first
one on deck is from Renee's more Tony and Renee
wants to know what color were the dog men he saw?
Speaker 1: They were all dark. The first one I seen running
out of that one I had more of, it was
a lighter color. I don't know. Maybe it was because
it was running under underneath the lights, but it seemed
lighter to me, even though it was dark. It seemed
lighter than those Those two were seen in broad daylight.
Those ones we seen in broad daylight, they were dark, Crandon,
they were dark, pitch black, you know, just just just
through the scenery off you know, and you know that
you know they don't belong there, you know.
Speaker 2: Well that sure it makes them blending really well at night,
so I guess a night time that's one heck of
an advantage. This next question is from Al Santa Rica Hey.
Al Al wants to know bart did have a long
snail to a short one.
Speaker 1: I would say they were all along, all of them are,
because like the one I was digging moving around, I
couldn't you know, he couldn't really make out it snow
because you know, just being hunched over and digging. But
that one that looked at me, you know you can
see it snow it was. I mean that best. The
best description is take a picture of Germany shepherd, but
black it all out and you know, photo shopping in
and upfield. You know it can field, you know, that's
what I know. That's the catches your eye, you know,
and they don't they don't belong there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way to describe it. The next
one is from al as Well. He wants to know
how tall would you say it was? I think he's
asking about the one that was You said it was
as big as a horse.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, there's different differences and horses, you know,
marriage studs, you know, they get bigger. But you know,
just if you imagine, I suppose I'm I can't remember
how they measure horses. They go my hands, you know,
being in and you should know. But the shoulders of it,
you know, I'm five ten and the back of it,
you know, the back of that dog had to be
to my shoulders and that was being on all fours.
So if distinct stood up, you know, I mean I
kind of I can't even imagine how tall that I
had to be. If it stood up. Because the one
we've seen on the ground just ahead of it, that
I don't know, I would have to imagine the tops
of its ears, you know, being laid down on the ground,
that just with its head up, you know, on top
of it. I had to read up to my top
of my hips, you don't know, my stomach. You know.
It was you know, it was tall. The one I
was running at us. I would see it from that distance,
from a couple of blocks away, you know, I would
just say, quick, guess, I would say it was that
had to be about six feet but it was. It
looked like it was hunched over a little bit, like
a little down. So no, no, yeah, it looks like
these things really wanted to take extend, you know and
get pretty tall.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 2: And the one that was running at you're looking so creepy.
It was six feet tall, but it probably felt like
it was sixty feet tall.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: That The next one up is from Colonel Chappie, and
he wants to know, was there any mind speak.
Speaker 1: No, yeah that I wouldn't. I wouldn't say it's mine's feet.
But yeah, like I said, when just when I locked
eyes with that second one, you know it just I
just you know, I didn't like, you know, I'd been
getting words in my mind or anything like that, when
it's just you know, I got that feeling from this thing,
you know, and they just sent chills down my spine,
and you know that's that's I don't know why it
made me say that, but as the first thing, I
asked my son, you know, what kind of weapons do
we have in here? And I kind of laughed at myself.
I think about it now. I was like, you know,
I don't even know what we're going to do if
you know, if we did have you know, even like
if we had a twenty two or something, you know
that I wouldn't you know, decide he sings, then you
know we're going to do anything to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were in total control, and they knew that too.
They're really intelligent. This next one is from Al Santa Riga.
He wants to know could it have been a hologram?
I think he's asking about the one that was looked
like it was glitching.
Speaker 1: I don't know if nah, because like like I said,
it had to be from the just the way we
were I was looking at it. But like I said,
it's I don't. The only thing I can think of
it they were moving so fast it looked like it
was glitching. They looked like they it just didn't look natural.
You know, they were moving so quick. It didn't look great.
You know, That's that's only I could describe it. I didn't.
I don't think they know they were. They're in hologram,
and you know that's not those two. We've seen a
broad daylight. Man, what they were doing. Yeah, I don't
think so.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I believe you. Tig Chick wants to know.
Do you think the dog me that saw you and
your son was angry because your son took out his phone? Also,
you said your son took out his phone. Did you
record both?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Like I said, a few seconds went by.
We were watching that second with that first one, and
it gave him enough time. You know, we're sitting there
watching it and when you pull his phone out and
he started recording it, and just from looking through his phone,
nothing died. Look there's another one. And it took me
a second of you know, I'm like, you know, my
eyes went back and forth real quick. And then when
you go when you do that real fast, you know
that you see this little spat over here, you know,
it doesn't it doesn't match up. And then when you
look at it and you realize.
Speaker 2: What it is, you know, and then that's when it
gets real. Yeamn, that's how it normally goes way. The
splute wants to know. Do you feel like it was
feeding on your fear or enjoying your reaction?
Speaker 1: Nah? Like I said, we they were doing something, the
persone who was looking for something, digging for something, and yeah,
I just had that second one. It looked like it
was just mad because you know, my son noticed it,
and you know, and it makes you wonder what they
were doing. And you know, that's you know, all kinds
of things go through my head, you know, like you know,
what was their intent? What were they doing? You know.
But the thing that least scares me, the most, one
that specific me is you know how close he was
to us. You know, it's like, you know, that person
was a distraction, but you know, like if they were
if they wanted to distract us for something, you know,
like what you know, you know, he was just off
in his own world, digging, and then when we started
watching him, paying attention to him, and then you know,
that's when my son noticed that second one and a
second one. Just just looking at it. Man, just give
me chills. And we're about maybe thirty weeks, thirty feet
away from a house, that's how far we got. Card
we were sitting from the house and then we noticed
them to the left of us. That's it, you know,
And that's it just crossed my mind. I realized, you know,
if we took off, we wanted to take off running,
you know, I mean, we were going to make it inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels that close to you. There's no way
you would have been it to the door. Tina Brooks
wants to know where there are any sightings close to
I'm sorry, she wanted to know where any of the
sidings close to burial grounds or cemeteries.
Speaker 1: That's where did it all happened. When I tell you,
Mari Sandy that it jumps that Chilean fence right to
the right side of us, it jumps into a cemetery.
Those two, the two the two encounters me and my
son have is like literally two blocks away from the cemetery.
The other two sightings that happen are directly west of
the cemetery. You know, a few miles down the road.
But you know, like I said, they're all lying up
right here, and they're all right here by the cemetery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a pattern there where encounters are more likely.
They happen close to Native American burial grounds and just
cemeteries in general. So maybe there's some there there. It's
hard to say. Reckless wants to know were there any
big events going on in your life at the time
of the encounters.
Speaker 1: No. When I think about the two encounters I had,
I was having a good time that night first time
when I first that first encounter, you know, was I
going to go to some friend's house for having a
good time that night? You know, just on the blue
we see that that second one with my son, we
were having a good time that morning too, you know,
we went outside, were just enjoying the sun. We listened
to music and we were talking and the blue and
that is that a horse? And it started from there?
Speaker 2: Oh man, No, that's not a horse. Bang Bang wants
to know. Do you think it wears cloaking technology?
Speaker 1: I don't know if they. If they did, sure didn't
see any because I had the picture my uncle took
was broad daylight all snow background, you know, takes black.
The two we see, you know they were you know
if they do have it, and they sure don't didn't
try to show it or you know, but you know
they were just out in the open, and you know,
like I said, it kind of wraps your mind. You know,
my daughter, you wrap around this use you. You know,
you expect to see someone like this broad daylyight.
Speaker 2: You never expect to see a dog man period, until
you do. Colonel chap He wants to know if you
could tell their sexes. No, yeah, it sounds like they
were still too far away to have a chance of
doing that. The next one is from tig Chick. She
wants to know the two you saw with your son,
what was there? Fur like on both.
Speaker 1: Dark? But it was short. The only thing that was
bushy was the kail on that second one or the
first one. The second one couldn't talk because I was
laying it was laying down on the grass.
Speaker 2: But the but.
Speaker 1: The looking at both of them, you know, just just
real dark, a little dark fur and it was short. Yeah,
and you know that the only time I've seen any
long hair was under tail.
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's no rhyme nor reason when it comes to
the way their fur looks. It could be long, it
can be short, it can be really neat, it can
be really messy. It's just hard to say what you're
going to get when it comes to that. And el
see in Tariga wants to know where its ears on
the top of its head are on the sides.
Speaker 1: When I was running towards this, you can see them
up in the air. But like I said, that one
was kind of it was. It was nighttime under a light,
so it's like you can make out what it was,
but you know that will not be real good detail.
When I was moving it around, I couldn't see it there.
Like I said, I just had its heading and ground.
But the second one I seen staring at us. That
one did, and that's one thing I always remember. The
tears were pointing exactly straight out.
Speaker 2: Especially from being laid back. Thank goodness for that way
of the split. Wants to know did you feel like
you got stunned? Maybe your body's self defense mechanism kicked in.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that person, you know, I've heard, you
know people talk about that, and you know, getting I
don't know what do you call it? Uh yeah, yeah,
getting exact to somebody. You know it did. You know?
It made me freeze up. You know, I made all
of us freeze up. You know, I talked with my
buddies afterwards, you know, you know whatever we were looking at,
you know, you know, all of us were greeting you,
and it's like he was trying to run out, trying
to move, and I was like me too, you know,
I was trying to say something, you know, google all
of us. You know, it just put us in shock
there for the second man, Like I said, if it
wasn't for that car coming, it made it just changed
direction and that's what kind of made us smooth. And
it made us come out of it, you know, and
oh you got to get moving. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a lot to take in, it really is. And
your son did a great job getting his phone out
and being able to snack the snap the picture. That's
really good. She and and Neweneezer wants to know. Do
you think they have the ability to make people not
notice them? Maybe that's what the one laying down was doing.
If they can do that, or I guess the contact
is context is if they can do that and for
whatever reason, your son noticed it, for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: That's when I say yes and no. But because you know,
like I said, the first one, you know, it just
flat out didn't care, you know, it was doing it, staying,
you didn't care if anybody's seen it. But that second
one was hiding, you know, and like it didn't want
to be seen. But my son noticed it, you know,
And so I think, you know, if that one was
I wouldn't have noticed that if my son wasn't happen
to catch it looking through his phone. So I mean,
I think, you know, I have to think about it now.
And you know they're you know, they don't want to
be seen. You know you're not going to see them.
Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, they are the masters of hide and seek.
The next two questions are from Christy, and these are
just general questions about dog Man. I'm going to take
V's first one is do they moving packs and travel
or stay in one place? Well, Christy, you're talking about
obligate carnivores that have a ridiculous daily cloric requirement, and
that's something that we're going to talk about on next
week's show. Again, I guess I should put this out
there for everyone's so that people don't send me messages
next week ask me where in the world the show is.
I can't find it on YouTube. Vic Well, at the
head of the show, I mentioned that next week's show
is not going to be YouTube friendly. It's going to
have content in it that won't be well received on YouTube.
So with that in mind, if you want to listen
to it, which I hope you do, please use your
favorite podcast app iHeartRadio, Spotify, Spreaker, whatever your favorite podcast
app is. The show's on all of them. That's the
only way you're going to be able to listen to it. Again,
that's next week's show. But answer your question, Christiane. Their
ridiculous daily cloric requirements. It makes it so that if
they do hang out in numbers, which they occasionally do,
apparently they would eat their way through the resources of
a forest almost overnight if they did hang out in
numbers for any period of time. So I think it's
a necessity that they make habit out of just being
alone as much as possible, And even at that, I
do think, like any other large predator, they're going to
move throughout a huge home range so that they don't
deplete the resources of any given area so they can
circle back to that area later on and just take
advantage of the resources there. So it's not a hundred
killer type of a situation where they're just sterilizing an area,
ruin it so they can't come back to it. No,
they keep moving so that the areas that they do
have inside their home ranges stay healthy and populated with resources.
I hope that answers that question. The next one you
had is do they like cold weather? Mostly? Well, we can't.
We don't know if they do like cold weather. Mostly
they're found in hot places. Next week's show, the guest
is going to talk about being stationed down in Central
America and the places where he was stationed at. We're
eating up with dog men, not just small ones either
big ones. So that right there is a testament to
the fact that seems like the weather doesn't really affect
them all that much. Whether it's cold in the area
or hot, they do their thing and that's all there
is to it. I hope that the answer is that
one as well. The next question up is from al
Santo Riga. He wants to know if you ever heard
any of those dog men scream.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear him scream, but what I forgot to
tell you too, is the exact house where we've seen
those two dog men a few summers before that, because
uh make Spanish real quick. That's my sister's house. Like
I said, she doesn't allow smoking in her house, so
I would I would always go outside and smoke my cigarettes.
And I come out about eleven o'clock at night, and
I'm standing on the side of the house smoking a
cigarette and something growls at me. Where I heard you
guys say that. I don't know what you call it.
That sound, I thought that just that little rumble in
my chest and it scared me where like whoa. I
turned around on the side of the house and I
went all the way around to the front door, and
I stood right in front of the door, and I
was finishing my cigarette, and I heard that thing growl again,
but this time it was growling right where I was
standing on the side of the house. It got closer.
So it just that's what made me ye throw my
cigarett away and I went inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you did. And I don't blame you.
Don't blame you at all. Before I put up this
next question or address it, there's something else I should
probably put out there for you, all of you about
next week's show as well. I know some of you
let your little kid listen to the show with you,
and if that's you, I'm going to highly recommend that
you don't do that next week, at least not before
listening to the show yourself, because some of the things
that our guest is going to talk about that he
witnessed down there when he was seeing them on a
regular basis are not for young years. What he went through,
the horrors that he saw are just it's not exactly
PG content. I'll just put it that way. This next
question for you, bart it is from Reckless and Reckless
wants to know, did you feel anything in the ear
while you were with your son or did you notice
it go quiet?
Speaker 1: No, I, like I said, when I started noticing him
that it was already kind of quiet out anyways, So
I never really noticed that. I just saw my attention
and focusing on what I was looking at, So I
didn't really I didn't hear it, really hear it. Yeah,
I didn't know that like like the birds or anything
like that didn't go out, but you know, it's not there.
I didn't really hear him anyways. You know, like I said,
it wasn't that quite allowed.
Speaker 2: Anyways, you have so much on your mind that hearing
was probably the last thing on your mind anyway, So
you might have missed something you might not have It's
really hard to say. This is the last question of
the night is from Andras Carizales, and Andres wants to
know could there be in the old trails where the
dog men were or nearby?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh, our towns, you know, would have a history.
It's old, like I said, right where our town's situated.
It's you know, right next to the canyon to go
deep into the canyons and it's pine trees and everything
down there. But it's flat lands up here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's a good question, it really is. Well,
that's it for the questions for tonight. Before we get
out of here, bar, do you have any clothes in
comments you'd like to put out there for us?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I just want to share share my stories
and you know what we've seen around here. Yeah, I
just want to share them.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for coming on and doing that, and of
course we really do appreciate it. Then. Yeah, if I
can never help you in the future, please let me know.
Speaker 1: Yep. Having me.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. You are welcome. Well, thanks again for
your time and have a great night.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks, we'll see Well, that's it for another show. If
you've had a dog me and encounter of your own
that you need help dealing with, or if you'd like
to come on the show and share it with the listeners,
please go to Dogmanancounters dot com submit a report and
if you do that then I'll reach out to you
to schedule consultation on the phone. We'll take it from there.
But one last time before we do get out of here,
like I said, please remember, next week's episode will not
be available on YouTube. It's not a YouTube friendly show,
putting not for children, disclaimers and whatnot on it. It's
just not for YouTube period. It's not a YouTube friendly episode.
So it's best to just put on the podcast platforms.
Like I said, whatever your favorite podcast app is, you
can find it there. So just search for Dogman Encounters
and it'll be there for you. But having said that,
as always, thanks again so much for listening in. Have
a great nights.