Speaker 1: Hello ladies, gentlemen, and welcome back to the gimmick. This
is an exciting time because we are starting I know,
Roy Rumble is the road, but we're starting the road
to the cold, so the road to the road to
WrestleMania season. And you know we've done the game back
twice now for two WrestleManias. The first year was great.
The second year was a rocky road to Dublin. So
that's why I can't resume season. Always is interesting to
talk about what you're gonna do today. I'm the Canadian
nightmare Tress. Now I'm enjoyed by the podcast general. Oh, David,
how's it going, David?
Speaker 2: So far, so good? And snowy time here in the Midwest.
Other than that, keeping warm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good good s. You're in Florida, so I think
you're okay, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been getting cold for us here comparatively.
Speaker 4: But what's what's what's cold to Floridan?
Speaker 2: It was negative five here the other day, So what's
cold Floridian.
Speaker 3: Is like i'd say, like i'd say like forty or lower.
It is like cold to Florid.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. Have you have you ever been
to in your travels. Have you ever been to somewhere
big snowstorm or like in Cana where it's like a
negative forty Well, I've.
Speaker 3: Been to Seattle a bunch of times because I there,
like I think one day it even snowed, like right
on Christmas. But the thing that always happens I go Seattle.
Family always says it's like it's always raining Seattle. But
every time we go, like the week that we're there
or whatever, it never rains. But I have seen snow,
and I have been to like Alaska and stuff and
like on a placer or something like that. But I
like the cold, so it's nice to get it around here.
But a lot of time and here in Florida it's
like it'll be cold, but it'll be like it'll literally
be like two days cold, two days back to like
eighty five degrees, and then two days cold again. Like
it's just very random. I don't know how.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I hope one. Yeah, everyone out there, especially
where you guys are got in the storms in America.
I hope you guys are safe. Everyone's packed up and whatnot.
And yeah, we'll talk about that trust totally this week
because the box office is fucking just cratered because no
one's goingside to see any movies. Not that anyone's going
to see murrracy stuff, but yeah, I hope everyone is
safe out there for litanar reasons. And yeah, today is
gonna be we're tuning this off here pretty much a
W heavy show, so if you're big aw Mark April,
you can probably skip this episode. But we will talk
about a little bit of the back half because we
had Hobbs coming over, and if anything comes out throughout,
we will. But we're gonna be doing our draft final
shake up because we're near the last two months, which
we'll explain the second. We're gonna te world rumble. We're
gona talk about certain and it's live on the January
twenty fourth show. We're gonna talk about some other topics
here and there on real a little bit and then
whatever comes up. But yeah, the Royal Rumble is upon us,
so some big changes might happen, might not happen, I'm
not sure. So s Pubs, do you have the current
taally of our drafts? As some of people don't know,
it works like a fantasy football thing where we at
the b in the air drafted eleven Superstar ours ten
for points. One is a jobber that we want to lose,
and it's based off of title wins and rummel wins
or appearances. There's a whole litany of points system we have,
but we we end ours at the chamber because this
podcast started a couple of weeks before WrestleMania, so that's
why WrestleMania is the kickoff to our new year. So
we got about two more months right now, so this
is our last time that we can drop or pick
up anybody. So I suppose what's the current rankings right now?
Speaker 3: If you have those, well right now, I just have
to put in the last few matches of Sory Knights.
Speaker 1: So then what I will read off the current picks
right now? I'm pretty sure got update because it says
I updated this early January, so right now, or we
got we got David right now, you got Cody Rhoades,
Stephanie Valker, Chessea Green, La Knight, Bronz and Reid, Stephanie Stratton,
Tiffany Stratton, Jay Cargill, Finnbaler, Dragon Lee, and then your
jobber of the year right now.
Speaker 3: That's the one's wrong. He has Illi instead of Dragonly.
Speaker 1: I probably just put dragons. That's my best You got ye, No,
you got Dragonly, Sorry, Helias. Back on the market, David.
And then your job of the year, which I'm sure
is going to change right now, is Carmelo Hayes, who's
just going overtime to make sure you don't get those points. Uh.
Currently I have Ria Ripley, Brown Breaker, Charlotte Flair, Jay Usso,
Becky Lynch, liv Morgan, Rome Range, Drew McIntyre, Lyra Valkyria,
Sammy Zain and my jobber is the miss And then
s Bubs has John Cena, which I'm assuming he's saying
goodbye to today, Goonther Panta Eo Sky, Chris Jericho which well,
we'll get an update from him later on. See them
Punk aj Styles and rock sand Perez And I didn't
have it. Who did you have your jober S Bubbs.
I didn't have that right down right? Always a classic yeah, JD.
Speaker 3: Like I'd rather have. I don't want the well I
was gonna say the Solo Secos attrition, but now I
think we're gonna call it the Carmela Hayes situation.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I think getting from your jobbers better than getting negative
points every week.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, he's the best job where we've ere ad, which
thank goodness, you know that's great for him. But yeah,
so that's what's gonna happen. We're gonna drop some. Obviously,
David will drop first. So David on your list if
you want to. Is there anybody that you're dropping before
the Rumble in the Chamber is your last chance?
Speaker 4: I am only dropping my job.
Speaker 1: You're only dropping That makes sense to me. So okay,
so you got that going on, and then let's see here. Yeah,
I I'll go because as I'm still Talian, I think
I'm I think I'm dropping one. I really don't have
I don't know. I think I'm dropping one. But I'm
pretty happy with my list right now. Like Ria, Ripley
always contended to win Rumble, Brawn Breaker, Sharp Flair, j
So Becky, Lynchake, all people doing stuff live Morgan Roam
and like Rome, I'm keeping up there for the Chamber
rumble has to happened. She was doing good for me.
I gotta match with Sammy. So the only one is
Larra Vikira, which is like I know, she's still wrestles
and picks up wins here and there. But just I
don't see, unfortunately for her, anything big on the horizon.
So if I don't get my one of my picks,
I might just repick her up again. But I just
don't see anything big happen for even at Mania, Like
I think there's a good chance she might not even
be on the card, you know. I think there's a
chance that her and Bailey are in like a multi
woman take thing, or it's just ah, yeah, she's on
the the SmackDown before wrestling wrestling is smack down. Because yeah,
I just don't know. It's just I feel like a
lot of momentums lost there. So I'm gonna just drop
Lyra for now. But I might welcome her back in
about ten minutes. We'll see, so not someone soups her.
I don't know. That's why the draft works. You never know,
but s pubs obviously you gotta keep John Cena right
because you never know what if they big surprise at
the roll around. Could you imagine that's the thirty, that's
the thirty comes and wins it. But obviously you're dropping scene,
you're dropping anybody else.
Speaker 3: He sticks retirement to our shirt. Yeah, I'm definitely dropping Sena.
I have a bunch of fe like I have a
list of a bunch of people I want, but there's
a bunch of people well there's actually okay, yeah yeause
there's a few that was considering dropping and then they
started like doing good again. So I'm like, maybe I
don't want to drop this versa Like I'll say, like
ten that I was close to dropping, but now he's
like now he's just like he's just destroying these vision guys. Yeah,
so I think I'm gonna keep him.
Speaker 1: But for drop, what's the Jericho situation, He's still just
that hope.
Speaker 3: I'm all in. I need that.
Speaker 1: I need Tony to draw that Chris Jericho is all
on again graphic and I don't I don't want him
to be in aw but to win me, Like Jericho
is the thing keeping me from like he's the thing
that could get you above me because we're about what
like one hundred hundred fifty difference, maybe maybe a little less.
Speaker 3: After like seventy difference.
Speaker 1: See seventy difference, and what Jericho he's a hundred, right,
because that would be a legendary turn. So I would
just have to I think the only chance I got here,
which luckily I got Rhea, Ripley and Live who are
the two current favorites to when the the woms were
a rumble? And I got Roman le Bron who are
the two current favanits when the men's were. So if
both my picks win the rumble, I think I'm covered.
That can that can that can stop Jericho from running
Ayatola on me. But Jericho that's a risky one. So
Jericho's saying, eh, yeah, I think, and we'll talk about
it later.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna drop a.
Speaker 1: J whoa, You're not gonna get one last point for him?
Speaker 3: No I need any more points.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: It's just cutthroat business.
Speaker 1: I want to hear you really think he's a he's
retiring there, Hey, it's he did not. I would be
so fucking pissed if I was triple h. It's just
like for a week, stay quiet, like, don't say anything,
like it's just like it's it's so, it's so. And
even then too, I think retroactively, WW kind of wishes
that I know we're gonna drop it. They kind of
wish didn't say anything because my uncle's hyping up this match.
He's like, well, aj Styles said he was gonna retire
twenty twenty six, but like he didn't think it'd be
this early. It's like they should ever said anything. I know,
we know as the online people, but for the the
other people, it's like it just feels weird, like, oh,
he's already leaving, like it's not as big a deal.
But okay, aj is AJ and Johnson are back on
the market, David, if you want to put in Johnston's
your job of the year, you got that, but any
any other? Drop? Oh?
Speaker 3: Who is this? And I deleted it? Oh? Oscar? Oscar?
Speaker 1: Drop Oscar? Okay, Oscar? So three drops? My goodness, okay.
Speaker 3: Because he needs the space for for people I want. Actually,
I'm gonna drop my my job or two.
Speaker 1: You can drop j d Oh my god, wow, Okay, I.
Speaker 3: Might re draft Thom. Yeah, I'm gonna drop him for a.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, oh, David, who are you? Because you go first,
who are replacing as your jobber for the next two months.
Speaker 2: I almost went with Matt Cardona, just because I have
no faith that they are going to use him properly.
Speaker 4: I mean, man's been on the indie run.
Speaker 2: Of a lifetime, and I feel like they're bringing him
in just a job and to ride with Chelsea.
Speaker 4: But I am going to go with Johnny Gargano.
Speaker 1: Johnny Gargano, Chopa's gone and he has no faith. He's
just putting people over. Okay, all right, asked bubs. You
got four picks, obviously, one jobber and then two regulars.
What are you going with first?
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go with my regular pick, and
that's gonna be another one hundred pointer right here with
Royce Keys.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, do you think it's gonna happen at the Rumble? Eh?
Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't need to happen at the Rumble.
It could be any time now in the illumination chamber.
And I still get those points.
Speaker 1: Because that's just it's like a day that's a what
is it? What is the term again?
Speaker 3: That's right here? Legend return or wwwute debut?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, because I was just trying to think of
anybody to counteract that. But I miss Grace can draft.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know the Undertaker, and if he shows
up in the rumble, you got it's.
Speaker 1: Always a chance he's gotta get ready for sat he
is Saudi Arabia. He might lace him up. Yeah, that's
a problem because I had a feeling to get Hobbes,
and that's why I was trying to think of anybody
you might have somebody. I was trying to think of
anybody else that's like on the market that would debut
open his account because he's already wrestled in ww right
with the events right, So that's the problem, is like
I can't think of anybody that is they're gonna sign
and bring over, So I try to think about that.
So I think for now I'm just gonna I'm gonna
take the opposite. I'm gonna go and uh, I'm big
proposent of him, big thing in GMO, which I will annow.
GMO will be back February. What did we say It
was the seventh, right, I think, yeah, seventh one thirty
pm PSD. Finally we're gonna finish the season and then
after we're no matter what's still gonna do the best
of five with wrestling. The next season will determine on
what happens with two K twenty six, so TVD on that.
But for sure we're finishing season three and then we're
gonna do our even if it's just for bragging rights,
we're gonna do our best of five there, but I
think I'll just go with Carmela Hayes with David's drop,
I just think that he's gonna get me more than Lyra.
I think there's a good chance he get hold that
until Man. Yeah, he might lose it there, but I
don't have to worry about that right now. I just
don't like he'll be in the rumble and I don't
think he'd lose it till the Chamber and Eve. Then
I don't need to lose the Chamber, So I think
I'll just right now, I'm in the situation where I
need to saye picks because like I said, I think
I got a lot of good on something unless something
goes wrong. I think I got a lot of good
rumble potential people. So I don't want to risk making
any moves that Royce was a good pick, but for me,
I got potential good people there. So because what rumble,
what rumbles the fifty or what do we decided on?
Rumble again? Yeah that's one hundred. Yeah, I gotta keep
those four there. So just get put caramel on for
Lira because I just I just don't know what she's
gonna be doing next. Little bit. So, uh, all right,
so I suppose all the floor is yours. Now you
gotta two more picks at a jobber. Yeah, all the picks,
but you got cooking.
Speaker 3: Well for Drover, obviously, I have to go Kit Wilson.
He was who I was gonna pick. I almost picked
him over JD last time, and no, I definitely have
to pick.
Speaker 1: I thought about that though, but is he not? I
thought about dropping miss and do that, but is he
not gonna get a push down? People are liking the
song he's getting pops.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's still gonna just lose. Well, that
was the I don't know I supposed to leak from wrestles,
so I was like, they see him as like the
next heaths. Later was the report where he can just
be funny and lose to everywhere.
Speaker 1: But but you never know he's slayered. Did get that
big run with Rhinos, so you never know when that's coming.
But yeah, it'll be very telling to me when he
has that match with Matt Cardona, what they do. I
think there's a good chance, Matt Cardona that you may
lose it. Yes, I could if that happens. I feel
so bad for Matt's like, man, you just signed up
just to be like an enhancement talent guy. But hopefully
not hopefully maybe he gets a good rumble showing or something.
I don't know, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, Wilson, I think I'm gonna take oba.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have a good rumble showing. I
thought about too. I just didn't know when he was
like fully debuting, and I worried he was gonna get
like more.
Speaker 3: Like like rumble feels like the right place to do. Like,
I don't think they'd save his debut for after the
rumble if they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it wasn't the rumble, that'd be very odd
to start with these vignettes. So but I just wonder, too,
is it one of those situations where he like goes
in the rumble and then after for a few weeks
he's still gett vignettes. I don't know, but I hope
it's rumble and then he's on the main roster. So, okay,
who's next?
Speaker 3: I sent my last one. I'm torn here. There's a
lot of good people that don't want I can't decide
who's gonna be used more. Really, I think I think
I'm gonna go with Javan Javan.
Speaker 1: Okay, who was your because none of us kinda craft.
Who was the other one you were debating against?
Speaker 3: I was between Javan, Trick, and Jordan.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think with Jordan you never know because you
hit that secondary title. And Trick I think, like, I
think you'll be around wrestling. But I don't think he's
winning anything major anything like time soon, even though he's
got like he's got good our going on, so.
Speaker 4: Kill me in the hunt, but not winning anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not yet unless there's a bunch of injuries. Yeah.
What are the points now? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So Dad has five hundred and seventy six points. Uh,
I have eight hundred and ninety three points, and Travis
has nine hundred and sixty two points.
Speaker 1: Okay, Dave, you got blame Carmelo. I mean, the.
Speaker 4: Man a lot of negative points.
Speaker 3: I need to do the I completely forgot to do
where we picked like the the random numbers and stuff
for the rumble, right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then did we yeah, because and I can't
remember last year did we do did everyone get one
point if they for eliminations? So I thought we did
some gimmick like that. Yeah, okay, so random number? Yeah,
we can do that now because we.
Speaker 3: Were doing I remember, I think, I think what I
did last year was okay, yeah, I have it. I
still haven't written down. I have notes with a bunch
of this stuff. So what I did last year was
I gave everyone five random numbers. So that way there's
still some numbers that we might not have, right, and
then you would get ten points if someone from one
of your numbers one either men's or women's rumble.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 3: If you have the wheel, we can do the wheel
numbers alert.
Speaker 1: Let's see, Oh did we get did we random did
we randomly get a signed that was numbers?
Speaker 3: I randomly picked five numbers.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so I'll get Oh, you randomly picked Wait
a second, like.
Speaker 3: A wheel spin with like thirty numbers?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what Okay, Okay, I could get that wheel going,
So I'll get I'll throw to you guys first for
rumble predictions, and then I'll have the wheel going. So
we will do that. So we got the draft sole,
I'll get that second. So David, I'll throw to you, Uh,
what do you feel about the men's rumble? Right now?
Obviously we talked about before where there's lots of uh,
we're gonna talk about everything with starting its main events,
but like it's been interesting where a couple of months ago,
like December November, we did the Survivor Series Cats and
that's where it's like, Okay, a bunch of screws, like
we got the face down with Roman and Cody, and
then even Meltzer and other people like, yeah, that's the
rest of the main plan they're doing number three and
then in the middle sound like ah, like that's kind
of up in the air. And now it sounds like
every Scooper is like, you know what, that's not happening
for whatever reason. Some people say they couldn't come to
creative conclusion. Some people say that, oh, Triple H felt
it was a fatigue to do that match again, even
though the rumored matches Cody and Drew, which doesn't make sense.
I feel like that. I feel like that first reason
of they just couldn't cratively, and I think we kind
of talked about that is like that's gonna be hard.
So right now it does feel like we're getting rumors
of Drew and Cody, but on the raw side, nothing
and as we've seen what I'm real and last year
the May even scene can change all the time. So
what do you feel right Nowaday with the Men's rare
rumble in the situation there?
Speaker 2: The Men's is probably the hardest for me to predict
right now. Everything just seems so up in the air,
and I'm kind of it all hinges on what they
do with Broun Breaker, because right now I have it
down to either him or Roman winning. I'm leaning towards
broun Breaker, but they could also put him in. They
could scramble and throw it together another World Heavyweight title
match with him and Punk, even though they just had
that on the first raw of the new year. They
could go back to that. Well, But right now I
have bron Breaker winning it all and that be his
cat pull.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you have any particular men surprises or that
you'd want anybody? Because also we've gotten lots of It's
I feel like now with the NXT's call coming. Before
before we've been like, Okay, we're gonna get javaon, We're
gonna get Oba, that'd be their debut and then they're
on the roster or it's mini after. But I feel
like now with us get a lot XT people, I actually,
especially with it being Saudi as well, I don't expect
too many like surprise surprise, like I know, I suppose
I legitimately don't think they're doing Jericho because I don't.
I don't. I just I don't know. I don't know
where they're gonna save it. That would be the place.
But they've always said that the reason they won't do
big surprise is because it's hard to sneak over anybody
to Saudi Arabia, right, So I don't know. Maybe they
just announced it this week. I don't know, but is
there anybody that you have kind of marked for that.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be super hard for them to do big surprises.
I do think that that they will lean heavily on
n x T and TNA in order to fill that gap.
So I do think that you will have at least
one or two TNA people. They do have a chance
to do something no, absolutely more hilarious than that, and
use Trey Miguel.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, that that would be fucking hilarious.
Speaker 3: You two have predicted Moose in the rumble like.
Speaker 1: You didn this year. At least yeah Mos saying in
that call yeah would be something Yeah.
Speaker 2: That would just be a hilarious f you to a
w I could see them being that petty. Obviously they
don't care about people's past, as evident by them bringing
U brock Lessner back.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that we can you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be a hilarious thing. Uh more, so
I see like Leon Slater being someone that they plug
in there, you know, one of those guys that they
like because he can do the bouncy spots along with Javon.
Speaker 1: So that's just a regular employee by now.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say, because I guess right, they're
watching Javon for just a concussion, but we're assuming he
should hopefully still be good to go. I imagine, right, Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, oh, they're definitely spots.
Speaker 3: Yeah it maybe I feel like it's fifty to fifty
because literally last year Dakota got like like a concussion
scare like but hers was because Javon is technically two weeks.
I think hers was like the week of the rumble
and then she wasn't in it.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So yeah, no, I guess we'll have to
see there. So yeah, and then who do you think
David would be? Because they do this every year. I'll
actually I'll give you two. Who do you think also
we don't know the whole field. I'll say I hate
these rumble graphics the whole Like especially with the women,
it was they have four slots last night, they didn't
have enough announce so it was like Jordan, Charlotte, Alexa,
and then there's it was just blank. It's like throw
anybody up there, like there's nobody who's it just it
just looks like it's like unprepared in that way. Like
I just I don't love the the graphics. I don't
like anything about these graphics so far. But David, I'll
ask you who do you think will be the standouts,
the person they're always like the most eliminations or big spots,
And then who do you think would be the iron
Man in the men's.
Speaker 2: For now, I think iron Man is going to be
brodn breaker. I think they're going to bring him out
early and let him have all have just a show.
But I don't think he's going to get the most eliminations.
I think he's just gonna be the one who lasts
the most and has like memorable spots.
Speaker 4: He's gonna have memorable eliminations.
Speaker 2: But not the most eliminations. I think the most eliminations
they would probably use like a Bronson Raid or somebody
like that, one of these big guys of the vision.
But who aren't going to be we know, there's no
way in hell that they're winning.
Speaker 1: Theory Also Theory get the most big highlight for.
Speaker 3: Him iron he's breaking a record, but he's breaking Santinos quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Roman's going to a big dog spear them out of
the ropes. And Roman, you know, he landed on his
He's fine, you know.
Speaker 3: But uh, for I think, uh, like who's gonna be
the stand well because I think it's different thing the
standout and being like the Iron Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's why, because that's why. Yeah, I said, like
the standout to me is either like eliminations or a
big spot and then iron Man's who's in there the longest.
So yeah, that's why so didn't have the eliminations.
Speaker 3: But it's just it was like stand out and he's
in it. I could see Javon like doing some like
crazy spots for like an iron Man. I could see like,
I think there's a world where like Gunther goes like
if he like retires agent and then is like number
one in the rumble or something like that.
Speaker 1: Is he confirmed in the rumble though, yet.
Speaker 3: He said, Well, the whole thing why he wanted to
wrestle aj was he said, I'm gonna be in the
rumble one hundred percent, and I'll only do double duty
to wrestle you if you agree to put your career
on the.
Speaker 1: Line, right, Okay, yeah, okay, So because I didn't see
that full pro so he's in there. Yeah, I guess
there's a world. I guess the only reason I'm I'm
if you're on Gunther's because they've they did that with
him once.
Speaker 3: Break and he comes out of like twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Well, well yeah that too. I just think they did
that one with Gunther. Remember when Cody won his rumble
the first time he was that So I think he's
one of the ways.
Speaker 3: Would just be like Ilia. I don't know why. I
feel like he would just last.
Speaker 1: That's good minutes or something, because honestly, I didn't have
an iron Man yet. I was gonna pitch and make
it Carmelo Hayes. But like Ilia actually is like he's
a perfect number two or one entrance that's in there
till the final six point four and he tossed him out.
So I like that when I'll try to think of
another one. I think for me, I was surprised to
know that you guys said OVA's getting the massive spotlight
in this rumble. They're gonna make him look.
Speaker 3: Like the most eliminations. Yes, I was like, I think
I could see like Brock having the most eliminations up
to a certain point, and then like Ova eliminates them
and then he gets the most eliminations or something like that,
like if it's like four and Ova gets five or
something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Brock, you just never know when they put
him in there, because they've done those multiple rumbles where
he's in there like alone and he just gets some
eliminations for a while, or it's like he's in quickly
for two minutes, throws three guys over, then he's out.
So it's like you could generally see a rumble where
Rock eliminates eight guys or just like one guy, you
never know what they're gonna do with them. I feel
like this is a more one guy year because they
have Brons and they got Oba, they got Braun. I
think he's gonna come in and hit a He's gonna
German the fuck out of everybody, Like I think you'll
see a lot of Germans and f fives. But I
think he's getting eliminated, and it's just a question of
we've talked about this now where we'll get to knock
and war and all this stuff. But it definitely seems
like Ajay's done unless this is a great work, great
shoe work tweet by or post by knock. But like,
I think he's done, and I think I agreed with
your pitch. When people start talking about spos like oh,
Brock might be settling down next year, it's okay, so
he'd probably do goother and Brock next year. I still
know how I feel about Brock and Oba at Mania
because like Oba has to win that and then that's
left for Gunther. I don't know. So I'm very curious
of when they place Brock in here. I'm gonna say
near the more than twenty because I feel like God,
they're gonna run back a Browlan Brock stare down. I
know that's gonna happen. They're gonna think it's as big
deal as us for always so but yeah, for Iron
trying to think that's been my toughest thing. I've been
trying to think like who's newer and there like, because
like Eli would be the pick like so many trick
I don't think tricks getting that uh treatment. I don't
know if he's right around the ball as the iron Man, yet,
I say Braun as he could. I could see him
coming at one or two, like somewhere in there. And
before I go, Spops, who do you have one? Right now?
David'scot Braun? Where are you feeling?
Speaker 3: I think I'm on the Roman train, especially if him
and Punk, which is what I kind of feel like
because I've changed. Like I said Braun last week, I
think I'm on. I think I'm on the train that
that Seth's coming back before man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Seth is the other like brock Lesner curve balling.
And that's why, Hey, I've been saying this for a while.
I've been saying the big dog's gon wanna rumble, and
I'm keeping the big dog. The only reason is now
I think if the Cody and Roman thing was locked,
and I think that's why Braun was the early favorite,
because I think they thought, well, we'll do that and
then we'll give Braun the big Rumble win and he'll
do punk or whatever. But I think because that's up
in the air at least for some reason, if Roman
wins the Rumble and a month from now they come
together and be like, you know what, actually are we
gonna do Cody and Roman, it's like you go either
way with Roman, right, Like you could do Roman punk
or you could do Roman Cody. Where as much as
I actually would love Braun and Cody, I think that's
a really interesting pairing. The whole Stein of Roads thing
like that easily could be a Mania main event. I
just don't see them making that jump. And I agree
with you that I think now unfortunately for Braun, he's
gonna take the back seat. He's gonna go he I
think he's gonna not that it's a back seat, but
he's gonna be with Seth, which is still I was
gonna how would you guys feel about because I was
watching on real and they're talking about all this stuff
and talking about like bringing Brown up and Braun everything,
and I feel like, because Broun's cool, would you guys
think it'd be like a two out of the Realm
swerve if Seth were to come back and the kid
the group were to kick Braun out and replace him
with Seth and use it almost the reason like, hey,
Broun couldn't beat Punk, we thought he could be the
guy because I think we've said this before and just
watching him real since like brought this up again. To me,
it's like, I don't think people are gonna be dying
to cheer stef Roles and then gets back like he'll
go pop when it gets back, but like at Mania,
people are gonna be barking, like I don't think they're
gonna And that's where to me it would be safer
to batista him. It's like, you know what, this is
a reason Paul thought you were ready, You weren't you
fail against Punk sept In And that's where it's like
even Austin theory has the ties to Seth Rawlins already
Bronson reading and stuff has some ties Like that's to
me what they should do because I just feel like
the four and you can get Braun as a heel layer,
but like people, it's like trick, like people want to
cheer Braun right now, they want to bark. They love
this fucking like Geneta freek guy, like and where Seth
it's like they're gonna cheer for a little bit. And
then we said before like Seth was kind of getting
bland as a baby face, It's like he just goes
right back to that. So do you guys think there's
any chance they could run that or you think Seth
is just coming back. They're gonna force feed the baby
facing and hope that the crowd goes with it. I think,
God damn it. Okay, I was trying to that. That's
my pitch triple like Trivy out there listening. Get Braun
in the hot hand, because that'd be a fun swerve though,
right because if he comes back and gets that popp
and you think that's happened that and it's Seth facing
down the vision and then from behind Theory and reis
take out Braun and you get the whole evolution turned
on him. Like I don't know, I because I just
don't even know. Also the at the fact, like once
Seth's done with Braun, what do you even do with Seth?
You know, like I don't know, I have nothing for
him to do. Who are you putting them with? Who
you putting them with? U? I said, punk, Oh yeah,
you could do that. Run and plus don't it The
other reason I thought they do the heel thing is
don't they still want to do like the punk and
Seth blow off too right eventually? Like they never got
to do the full Seth as a heel punk is
a face like I'm telling you, I'm not saying it's
not real possible. I'm saying I'm saying there's say there's
a chance, you know, telling you there's a chance. Yeah,
I'm trying to think if there's anybody else for the
iron Man's But okay, so I do have the numbers here,
so I will bring up the will generator. David, you're
gonna go first, So I suppose write these down. These
are David's number for the rumbles. So in the man's
or women's if he has anyone wins from these spots,
gets a nice ten points, there is it? Ten points? Yeah,
that's pretty, it's pretty. It's pretty low rumble. Let's see. Yeah,
I guess that's true. So you got number twenty.
Speaker 3: One right, because because I don't want like the to
be like a huge amount of that's fair.
Speaker 1: It is a lock thing. Yeah, it is luck, it's
not I was picking that's fair oh, we almost got
the I actually think with the men, that's a good
number because I think Roman's coming in that back twenty five.
I think he's gonna win. I think twenty eight could
be a good option there for you. So alright, so
got twenty one, twenty, He's got some of the high
numbers here so far. Oh my god, stop, he's got
twenty one, twenty eight, and thirty. Okay, we need a
Fronman win here, and Roman's not doing that. Let's see
here we go. Number ten Okay, good, more in the
middle there for you. Well, that's good for us. I
don't know if there's been a winner at ten. That
seems like a weird number. Okay, there we go. We're
getting some more low balls. And thirteen. Okay, so you
got twenty one, twenty eight, thirty, thirteen, and ten. But
those first three, that's that's some tough ones there, So
I'll take you on. Yeah, I'd be happy with those numbers.
These are as, bubs. Yep, lucky number seven gonna be
lucky this Sunday. We'll see. Just stopped the eight, all right,
that could learn a seven. It's the first time that's
gonna triple. He's just swerve booking and mag all. We
gotta look at these numbers. Five Okay, there you go,
spebs defin man are yeah, okay, he's climbing up. He's
climbing up. Fourteen Okay, at.
Speaker 3: Least one one twenties one.
Speaker 1: That's happened for you. This seven lower he went to twelve. Okay,
here you go. This is s Pub's last number. Nice niceness. Yeah,
you're you're hoping for those early picks there. All right,
So I spose what were your found numbers there?
Speaker 3: Hi seven, five, fourteen twelve and eight.
Speaker 1: Fourteen fourteenth hies. Now okay, like this, come on twenty
on the boards there for me, Come on slow, slow,
you know what? Not that the one and two have
have good success RaSE that's the ultimate Iron Man winner. Okay,
So if I'm gonna take any one or two in
the lower numbers, I'll take it halfway. Fine, all right,
I guess fifteen. Sure, Okay, let's see who I went
on here. Geez, David got really lucky with those those
big ones at the start. Four My god, I got
cheese a Louise. Okay, LA's two. So I got what two, four, fourteen,
four or fifty Okay, okay, I got number one. Number
three moved to the last minute. There, Okay, I would
actually prefer number one. Okay, that's my last pick.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I feel like you have to
get a twenties one here just statistically, but I guess
I know.
Speaker 1: And eleven so wow, David just so me and as
those are hoping for some iron Man wins, David has
the flour of the twenties that what was it, twenty eight,
twenty nine and third or no, you had thirty twenty
eight and then what else did you have? One?
Speaker 3: Yeah, David had our David yeah, David, Yeah, twenty one, eight,
twenty one, and thirteen you had twenty one, twenty eight, thirty.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see that's okaya. Dave might need some of
those to do a big catch up. So we got
that going on. So in that spectrum we move over. Well,
I guess I can say because we're talking about the
Satay Nights women as well, and I guess we didn't.
Speaker 3: Talk about it about the women's rumble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll wait, We'll go there because we'll talk about
the Drew fought to Cody stuff. Because we're talking about
the men, so alsoly Cody and Drew or sorry, Cody
and Jacob are both in there. We got Drew on
the Sammy side, which we all kind of thought about
once we found out Montreal Mario. But David, what do
you think about the brawl last night, because I think
we're talking about, Okay, we've gotten in this sense of
Cody was fine until the John Cena thing, right, and
the John Scena thing made sense because okay, he's retiring.
People want to see the seventeen thing meant makes sense.
I might get some blowback. We last week talked about
that promoqun Vegas where it's okay, you could see people
were still digging Cody because they boot him and then
they turn right and then he gets back. They run
that back and that's fine. They do the Summer slidn match,
that's great, and then he wins the title. It feels
like for a little bit he's just kind of coasting.
And I think it's prooftop about before where they did
a lot of these Drew matches, and it feels like
the audience was kind of getting a bit more mixed,
like obviously when he lost the title, Big pop for
Drew but because the hometown place and feels like the
reaction I feel like is very much, in my opinion,
not there yet. But it's like oh five Sena where
people people always say it's six. Don't forget I was
there alive. They did a summerslame main event of jerich
O versus Sena, and that was the first time scene
was getting like the fifty to fifties. But when he won,
people like cheers. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, we still
like Sena. People always just think it's O six, but like,
oh five, the summer was like the beginning of oh
some people are like starting to boo him. Obviously. Last
night I thought it was very smart they did a
brawl because you kind of stop some of that. But yeah,
what do you think is going on with Cody Rhoads?
And then right now the rumor plan is to do
Cody and Drew, but Jacob seems to be uh, I
don't know. Around there, it's getting good reactions, good reception,
So what do you do with them? At the rumble
with Cody and Jacob and what do you do? Do
you think it is just Cody and Drew or do
you think Jacob's gonna sneak his way in there.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to do the triple threat. That's
been the thing that's been talked about recently. Another thing
is like the way that Saturday Night's Mad Event went.
It's another example. They've done it a couple of times
before with Cody, where you don't want him to lose,
but you also can't have him wins, so you have
shenanigans throughout the match.
Speaker 4: Triple threat is the best way for.
Speaker 2: Them to protect Cody in my opinion, because we've seen
matches like what happened at Saturday Nights Main Event happened
before where it's the big brawl and everything else, but
the match still starts. We still eventually get a start
to the match. This was just a no contest whatsoever,
so there was no no wins or losses at all
with this. I mean, you can't do a DQ because
the match never started, Like how do you call that?
So it was a way to protect both Cody and Jacob.
So I think the triple threat is the way to
go with I feel like if they were to do
this immediately, if they were to do this at Rural
Rumble Ors sometime.
Speaker 1: Earlier, Chamber even but I don't think they do a
chamber but.
Speaker 2: Drew retains because I don't see Cody winning until WrestleMania.
If he wins it back, I think they're gonna save
that for a WrestleMania moment, like Drew, we let you
run with the belt with people, now give it back.
Speaker 1: Do you not think that's like a Do you not
think if it's just Drew Cody and Cody just wins
up straight as the quote unquote babyface, is that not
backfire on them at Maye, especially with many me in
Vegas were last year Cody didn't get the greatest reception.
Speaker 4: Oh, it definitely will.
Speaker 2: I think the fans, the smart fans especially appreciate Drew.
They like Drew as like Twitter, Drew is still undefeated,
and so in that case, if they just go one
on one and then Cody beats him, it's like, Okay,
we saw this coming, Boo, We're tired of loll Cody wins.
He's the new John Cena. Like so, I think if
you have the triple threat match, that kind of opens
it up to have a way for him to win
without completely just having the fans go oh it was
was crappy at least you get a fun triple threat
match out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about us bous, What do you think is
gonna happen with this situation here as backdown?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like with last night, it definitely led
me to thinking that it's going to be the triple
threat match at Mania, especially that was some of the
rumors that it was either Cody versus Drew or they
were also thinking of Cody versus Drew versus Jacob, and
I feel like that's happening now, especially with obviously Cody.
You're saying like the mixed reactions, and I think it
very much depends on where he is. I feel like
some places have it, some places don't.
Speaker 5: But I feel also Drew or Jacob has been getting
really good reactions like pretty much everywhere, So I feel
like if they do a triple threat match, that could Yeah,
like you said, protect Cody but still give Like I.
Speaker 3: Think if they did that much, I feel like Jacob
would win. Uh, Like that's my feeling right now.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Drew would take that pin I think I
agree to you that I don't think would.
Speaker 3: Take it like like Drew Claymore's Cody, he falls out
of the ring, like hits the Moon, sod on Drew
and wins it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I I no, I agree with you that.
I just I was hoping that because I liked what
they did. I think that's always smart to do what
they're doing with Cody, and I think it's the same
thing as Sina, where I think it's not always so.
I think with Sina there's a little bit difference too,
because Sena was like the rapper edgy guy, and then
when he got the title, then they they cooled down
on that, and that was probably the reason I think
people turned. With Cody, he's still the same character he was,
if anything's a little bit better because they've changed some things.
I think it's just that it's one stuff like that
Drew run where it's like they're not doing anything too
inspiring with him as a champ right now, and to
just give him a story to where he's not around
the title for a bit. They don't have to because
he's what since i'd say, what resume a forty, he's
always been around the title. He's not had just like
a straight up feud, right, And that's where it's like,
if the situation was Cody and Drew, I would say,
then if you want a one on one, then just
do Drew and Jacob and that get Cody and Randy.
I don't know when they're pulling this Randy thing. I
don't know what the deals with Randy. It's just like
it feels so weird, especially because he's like a triple
H guy. It feels like he's just so just I know,
he's like twenty twenty six, the Year the Viper, but
it don't feel like that. It's just it just he
just feels he feels like it sounds weird, but a
main event jobber that should not be a thing, but
that's what he is. Where he's there, he's into the pops.
He's gonna look strong, he's never never gonna take the pin,
but he's never gonna win anything like that meaningful, and
he just kind of goes away because at least with
like I think he's kind of working in a similar
style that Sean Michaels did in like oh four to eight.
But Sean still like won some big stuff, but you know,
like he still got like closer, like had these different stories.
Ran he just like our KOs guy goes away for
a bit, saves jelly roll goes away for a bit,
takes Cody goes away.
Speaker 3: For it, like like oh, like if it's Cody versus
Drew ors Jacob, what's Randy doing at Mania? And someone
quotes reated it with like he's sagging with ice show
speed against Logan.
Speaker 1: And allso oh yeah, and that's It's just it's just
weird where I would understand it's like triple h and
him worn't guys like, oh, but he's a draw so
I got a book them. It's like they're notoriously very close.
It's just I maybe it's random. Maybe RAN's like, yeah,
I'm good, I don't actually need to do all that stuff.
It just feels like he's just cool down so much
because at that one point I thought, oh, what if
you add him? But I was like, you know what,
and even though he's still like a great worker, I
don't know if him in the four where were like,
I don't know if it would add much, you know.
So I hope that they're doing the triple threat. I
think that works. I think it's good for Jacob. And
the good thing is if they for some reason get
to Mania and they feel like Jacob's not ready, they
can't just put on Cody, right, I think that's obviously
not good for Cody can I think people boo. But
at the same time, I don't think even if it's
Cody and Drew or the Triple Threat, I don't think
that would main have. Like I would love it too
if they had Jacob winning and that's main event. That's
Billy a new star. But I feel like they'd go
the safer pick with one open yeah, night one or
Night two opener, Like I think that's I think you're
right about Night one because I think the women would
main event then, and I think I do think Rio
versus EO would be safer because I think James's gonna
be a big pot. But I just see them being like, well,
we don't know, but and I guess Roman and Punk,
which we'll get there.
Speaker 3: But I feel no matter what, it's main eventing like
absolutely two like unless like especially because it's like, you
know it's Roman if he wins the rumble, and also
you know, for you, Travis, you can say Punk had
a real wrestling in the event.
Speaker 1: Absolutely they should. And it's so funny now though because
it retroactively with the way the story is. If Seth
was good to go. This should be the year that
last year they should do Punk a Roman and this
year should be the triple threat. It would make way
more sense for him trying to get his title back
and all those stories. But I guess that's where they'll
do set unless you know, well, we'll find with the
stone cold thing is, you know, like again, they just
report he's coming back, so I don't think he's wrestling,
but man, that'd be a nice monkey ranch. But no,
I hope they do the triple threat. I think that'd
be a good story. I think that gives them and
then after maybe that's what they're saying Randy for maybe
after Mania, like you can just do Cody and Randy
just straight up right, because like Randy did say, what if.
Speaker 3: He had like Randy, like if it was his triple
threat and ODQ where if he had like Randy run
out there and like plunt Cody and like that takes
them out of the mad.
Speaker 1: I'd be fine that you would just have to set
up how that would happen. And I guess like technically
it would fit his character. Cody could just eliminate Randy
from the rumble and he's just bitter about that. Because
I suppose you wouldn't notice. But when Edge came back, Uh,
they were like teaming up in the rumble Randy and
h Okay, yeah, they're teaming up. And then Randy tries
to throw out Edge shows him out and just for
being eliminated. The next time raw, Randy tries to murder
this man. So that's why it's like for Randy Orton,
he does have a history of the smallest thing just
setting him off. So or maybe it's chamber. I actually
prefer chamber where it's standa that's what. Yeah, but that's oh,
that's right. That's what I want to talk to you
guys about. How do we get to the triple threat though?
Speaker 3: In the chamber?
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I mean, Like, how do we get
to that though? Because the Rumble, I don't think they're
doing the double elimation spot. I think they'll just give
it to Roman and in the chamber if it's number
on contendership, there's usually never a like a tie in
the chamber. So how do you get to Cody and
Jacob versus Drew?
Speaker 3: I feel like, well, spare something out.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, it'll be like seaw Michaels when you do
in the rumble he just sweeched him music Bend Watcher
why he just signed the contract and Eric Fisher was like,
what do I do? Even though in real life it
says Chris ben Wall, that's Shaw Michael's sendingy shirt that
would not hold up. Didn't they just do that recently
the last.
Speaker 3: Y Bianca Okay, like yeah, they had like the official
graphic for never.
Speaker 1: Mind, never Mind never Mind, the same way trip Ah
spams the Hoodie Attacker. They'll just do that. They'll do it,
like and I actually think that would be better for
Jacob to do it, because I think if it was
Jacob and Drew and Cody signed that contractor we're like,
oh fuck this guy, like he always gets what he wants,
like do something where Drew, like Jacob somehow gets screwed
to the chamber and feels like, oh like maybe Drew
comes into interferes or whatever, but yeah, like he.
Speaker 3: Has something like how he beat Drew with like oh,
use the chair while the reflats are looking at something
like yeah, he cheats in some way against like Jacob,
or like even if it's like accidentally, like yeah, he
like accidentally pulls the turbocal pad off or something like that,
and then Jacob goes into it and it's like or
Drew comes with.
Speaker 1: The title uses the title shot, right, it's like a
and even then like as like, this is why it
would be so weird for feel the boo Cody as
that character. You you not boo him because Jacob fucking
cost him the title, Like he should be able to
like just like cheat on the sky. And that's what
I did like about last night with Jacob. I love
that he interfered with him during the entrance. I love
that he is, like, that's a real tweener. There's so
many times when people be like, oh, he's gonna be
a tweeter, but just like he has like a bad attitude,
but then he follows the rules in the match. That's
a tweeter. Is a guy that's cu of the promos
and the crowd hyped, but technically Jacob is cheating. He
like he started the match before Cody's ready, And that's
what I like. And they need to keep that energy
with Jacob because that what makes it good. And same
with Cody, Like they should keep that energy and Drew,
you can just keep doing what he's doing. Drew, He's
got Sammy. There's no surprise here, right the round bull
right for predictions, this is Drew going over. They keep
the story going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know for iron Man, I could even see
maybe Sammy like like I don't think like, I don't
think he wins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Drew.
Speaker 3: Beats him and he comes out with like the bandage
around him and he's like in the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could do that, especially because he'll get another Well,
the only thing is the only reason I wouldn't do
it is the pop's big Just if they plan him
on winning next year, then I'd oh, wait, no, the
rumans non signing next year, right, yet the mania is right, Okay, so.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any really rumors for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, no, you're right. You could do the you
could do the Sammy double pop then that night, so yeah,
and then that's the And yeah. I thought that Fatal
four Way was good. It was fun. There's a lots
of good spots there. I loved all the table spots.
I actually think between the Cardona match, I did not
watch it. You can tell me I didn't watch the prismatch.
But in between the Cardona match and the Four Way
that's always been knocked on Trick. He's not the greatest wrestler.
I think he's like holding his own. I'm not saying
we're gonna get like a five star classic from Nytime soon,
but it's like, I think he's doing good. He can
get a base off enough of aura to like like
get him going for There was that screw up that
Sammy down the ropes and they recovered really quickly, So like,
I think he's like, to me, like passing the test,
and I think he's got like a secondary title run
coming like next six months, you know, That's what I think.
Speaker 3: The pres match on Snack Demo's like pretty mid, but
I felt like they didn't really have much chemistry. And
also Sammy was at ringside, so it just felt like
you were kind of just waiting for him to like
run in like Q and DQ like they were fighting
at ringside. It was pretty funny though, like like Sammy
was sitting in like the chair like next to the
commentary desk, like hell they do when someone's at ringside,
and Trick grabbed Damien like to throw him like uh
like into the ring, and then he just like he's
like instead of he did the action. But then he's
three six. He turned around and threw Damien into Sammy
and like knocked him out of the chair, and then
Sammy ran in and just hit him.
Speaker 1: Which that was something fun for anytime. Priese was like
getting ready to hit one of the signature that the
crowd like Priest needs to they need to turn Priece.
I'm not saying I'm back with Judgment Day, but I
think him as a baby face is like he's flat lined.
Now they need to do something with him, Like, ohly,
it's probably because he's been stuck in a few of
alser black for eighteen years, but like they need to
do something. And also you could always heat him up
and just put him back with a Judgment date. But
they were your thoughts on the four Way.
Speaker 2: Four way what I felt like it was underwhelming for
the ending of the Saturday night's main event. Like it
was cool, there was some fun spots in there. Sammy
winning seemed predictable, tricks seemed out of place at times,
like he he had some spots, but than that, he
just seemed out of place at times. There were whole
sections of the match where Randy was just missing, like
my man.
Speaker 1: In the crowd you know, you want to you want
to take it.
Speaker 2: Like take some selfie, he signed some autographs. I don't know,
but there we was just whole sections where he's missing.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I really wish the A J Knockingmore match had ended
that pay per V because that fatal four Way was
just very underwhelming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you guess any thoughts in the four Way?
Speaker 3: I thought it was just like a fine like TV
like main event match. I would say, like, I wasn't
expecting it to be bad, but I wasn't really expecting
it to be great either, so my expectations were like
met I'd say, yeah, I give it like a three
point five on like drough kick, like I had a
fun time waking it, but it wasn't any thing like crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I agreed that it was. There was a
fun time, but I like, like, again, I don't dislike priest,
but when you have priests and tricking there, I wasn't
expecting like a big class. I wasn't like all four
workers in there, like we're gonna get the best four
Way of all time, you know so? But uh yeah,
and then we got through and Sam we talked about
that that should be a good match and we all
trews winning that and then yeah, to transition over to
the women. Other than the women's tag, which we talk
about now we forget the rumble, which I really enjoyed.
That was a good time. All of them have good chemistry.
I'm fully support Rocks and telling that fan to fuck off.
You know, uh, people again, it is a show. But
at the same time, you gotta be like, I don't know,
just low key cool. You don't gotta you don't gonna
get two worked out. These are just like fictional characters.
Speaker 3: You know. Uh.
Speaker 1: But no, I think it was good. I the gymly
thought Judgment was gonna take it in that back half
there that lasts closing five minutes away the match, especially
when Raquel came in, I thought, oh, this is away,
and especially.
Speaker 3: The slow like when when Raccael hit the power bom
on Theo and like rock Sand was like dead but
like went on Io and the ref like he did
the dramatic like slow cot where it's like, oh, they're
gonna win by cheating, and then Leo kicked out at
the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I thought, especially too because that oh well
that probably means like they for sure think they have
Rio or EO. Winning the rumbles, they get those titles
off them so that can come they can make them
move to any pore or keep them whatever. But uh, no,
I thought it was really good, really entertaining. I thought
these girls like the chemistry and given like enough time,
I could have taken a little bit more. But yeah,
they definitely got me with the fake out spot because
I thought it was changing up there. And Rhea Ripley
did a great sequel on the pretzelping to live.
Speaker 3: But this is like.
Speaker 1: A folder completely like on our legs. But yeah, I
suppose what do you think about the woman's stake?
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I really love this match. It was it
was a really fun time. Say, like you said, all
of them, I think individually have really good chemistry, and
putting them all together is really good. I think Live
is especially always really good in the tag Mattress, and
I do like her in singles Mattress, but I think
he really works in the tag matches. Really with all
the partners she's had, I think all the different combinations
of the Judgment day are really good together. And this
new one, yeah, with Live and rock Sand worked really
well as well. And yeah, like we were talking about
in the discord like that ref bump spot. I'd never
seen anyone do it like that where just fell on
top of the rest when that knocked him out. Was
really funny, but it was creative.
Speaker 1: Was well, he got winded, he was out for a
long time, this stress. At one point too, they went
to him. He was holding his head. It's like, what
are you doing while you holding their hand? Like she
hate you at all, but you know, love love the
wrestling refs well, very creative one.
Speaker 2: So David, any thoughts a good match, Like I think
all of them have some great chemistry together. Other than
that kickout botch that you know was a little iffy,
everything else with the match was hard hitting. It was
fun to watch some incredible spots. I mean, I really
like Roxy and President a lot of the stuff that
she does, and so it was good stuff. And then
you had the interference with uh. It's it's weird whenever
I hear the announcers refer to Roquel Rodriguez as big
sexy I know, you.
Speaker 4: Know, a not to Kevin Nah.
Speaker 2: It's it's weird when when I hear like Wade Barrett say,
you know big sexy right now?
Speaker 4: Rodriguez and I'm like, keep it in your bands, bro.
Speaker 1: Better than that fucking NXT account that I don't know
who that wrestler is, but they tweet out Toothless Aggression
last week, and like, oh boy, let's not bring that back.
Let's not bring that nickname. All right, That's that's what
I need. I'm hoping it's just some intern that wasn't
watching wrestling in the two thousands. But you know what's
some I'm finding on steal some nicknames, but that name,
let's let's keep it there, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so on that and then you got Stephanie Vecchier
coming out, keeping that going, and she's out of the boots.
Speaker 4: So that's that's good.
Speaker 1: Noose, what does that match happening? Just like a random brawler?
Are they gonna be a certain event?
Speaker 3: I think Dave Dave said like two weeks ago, it's like, yeah,
it's probably just like a raw.
Speaker 1: Match, Okay, yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 4: For a random match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stephanie's been her, They've taken her out multiple times like.
Speaker 3: Division.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would like to see though, especially with this match.
I think a Rio and Stephanie versus like all three
of the Judgment Day women would be a fun match
to see, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should. They should definitely run that back, good
visual to with all the titles.
Speaker 4: The internet would go crazy for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, match, Well, I think you will see that match,
whether it was before or after Riquel loses. So that's
a good one. So but we'll use that to transition
into the women's rumble right now. As we said, not
even enough people for the graphics that are in there,
but uh, the usual suspects are in there. And yeah,
this one's tough for me because I've been I've been
rocking the Rea Roman thing for a while. I know
there's those odds about Live because I guess there's been
rumors that want to give her a big push and like, I.
Speaker 3: Feel like it's lived. That was my prediction last week,
and I think her taking the pin, especially over Roxland,
she feels like she's winning it.
Speaker 1: I guess I just don't like it's so funny. I
feel like the year before when I was like a
big supporter and I was pitching like do live in
Mania Ria Rena, I was doing long game, I keep
going then do that. I just don't see the slot
for because like because what so it's like because if
they do her and Stephanie. Then I assume Rih and
e Ore and be the tay Chance. But I feel
like that's like kind of below them for Mania. In
my opinion, I think it's below them unless they have
something big. I don't mean the bellas like even Charlotte
and Alex, like I feel like they could have built that,
but that's already gone. And then I do not see
Live in Jade like that's just like a I don't
know that that's a in my mind thinking of Live
Morgan for Jake Cardinals, just like there's just I guess
that's the problem. I just I have a hard time
believing they're gonna go with I want them to. Lives
worked hard. I think she is underrated because I think
for a few years she was very average. But I
think she's gone better and better. She's better in the ring.
I think it's more of her character work. I think
with the tag team stuff, like they're already setting up,
like the stuff with tension with her and rock Quell
and you got rock sand like I don't know, I
just I can't. So I suppose what is your pitch them?
Do you think Lives winning? What is her Mania match?
Stanie just Stephanie.
Speaker 2: Eh, yeah, that's the only plausible chance that you have
to even think that she could win, because I mean,
she's not she's not going over the Powerhouse of Jade.
This reminds me of this scene from WW Unreal where
they're like, all right, she wins, what does she do next,
and everyone's just like, shit, I don't know, because we
don't have enough women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. That's like season one. I don't
think did that. Season two I think actively because I
was watching with Emily and like, I think season two actively.
People that don't watch product be like some of these
people are not good at their jobs. Like it's just
like it's just and I know it's edits, but it's
just like they edit them sometimes and not look good.
And it's cause you know, the in a fucking TV show,
what you do is you have road Dog and team like,
I don't know what we do, and then three minutes
later you're paid off with we cracked the story, we
came down with this, we figured it out, and here go.
That doesn't happen in the show. They never cracked the story.
And that happens multiple times unreels where they're like, well,
we don't know what's next. They tell about the pental
like what we're gonna do is bah blah blah. You're
never gonna answer answer what's next? Repentanta like they never
they never talked about like we gotta make big plans
from you never see any of this, But this one's
gonna rang up because me and Ema were talking about
our last Night Live or Beyonca either living. I know
she's in SATs What is the sass of beyond right now?
Speaker 2: Is she.
Speaker 3: The status? Is that like she's probably not coming back
at the right That's what I haven't heard any talk
at all from any source that she's like, I haven't
even heard a rumor like, oh they're considering her to
maybe be back, like I heard it, yeah.
Speaker 1: And yeah no no Evince, Like this is no disrespect you.
I feel like this is same way because I with
wrestling Twitter, I'm most online when events happening, but when
it's throughout the week and I just see it here
and there. I have seen me multiple people talk about Beyonca,
but I wasn't sure if it was like is this
reporting of Beyonca or is this like an aj Lee's
back in the bank. Where everyone's just like she's coming back.
She's coming back. If Beyonca was cleared, I would make
her my pick because I feel like that's way more
safe you get the pop. And I also think her
and Jade makes sense.
Speaker 3: You know, like I'd say, if she's in the rumble,
she's winning it.
Speaker 1: Yes to me, that's like the Roman thing is even
then you could transmition r RAW if you wanted to.
I'm not saying they would, But Beyonca's like Rome where
it's like you could kind of go either way with
her if live win, she's just going with Stephanie. I
just and then what it's just ri andeo. They're just
in a tag team title match at Mania or is
it like a.
Speaker 3: Solo title singles match with them with the belts. That's
a some pit that they wrestled both nights, Like if
they did like a tag they did like those singles match,
and that'd be awesome.
Speaker 1: I And then to me, you make them lose the
tag because then you had them like if you're on
the night before. I would actually be completely down with
three one night one singles and then the tag and
like there's some difficial.
Speaker 3: The people leaving Manium with the tag titles are a
Bailey and Lyra. That's why I actually hu.
Speaker 1: That's what because I thought you though were on the bandwagon.
Where if you thought Ria and EO were gonna so
are you? You're more sold on EO and Rio just
one on one just by itself.
Speaker 3: I think somehow they would get to one on one
even if it was like even if they literally did
like the ray and like they're tag champs and they
do a single.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then so I can't get behind you here. What
if Raquel beat Stephanie and we have Living Roquel Mania match?
Man Like, I think Raquel's gotten better. I think lives
gone tremendously better. That is not a Manium match. That
is a serience manvan or like a maybe other pay
per view. I in my opinion that story with which
would have where Heat would be doing that with roxand
I know Raquel lived bit longer. About that to me
is if you were a pitch me hey, like let's
say it was swap right down Lin Roquel, we're still
team and rocks where it beat Stephanie. I could see
you get into that story, right because you could also
have Rocks like turn on Dom and live like you
could do a bunch of stuff with Raquel. It's like,
I guess you could do that, but I don't think so.
I think Raquel's gonna be holding the tag rope with
one of them and whatnot. But okay, so David may
this makes sense for me because so he's believing to live.
I'm I don't know where to go. Where are you
right now? With the women's row rumble?
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm with Rhea unless they decide to shift
her to tag team ton of match at many of
a Right now, I'm with Ria because I just I
don't see anyone else right now. I don't see when
it comes to the rumble, I put the rumble and
I put money in the bank, kind of in a
similar situation of if you need to propel somebody fast,
if you need to make a storyline fast, this is
a good way to do it. I don't see Live winning.
I could see her winning money in the bank. I
think that'd be a way better chance of seeing her
win a title or being a title match more believable
because she's the slimy heel. But I don't see her
winning World Rumble and then going on definitely not defeating Jade,
and I can't see them to this throne Stephanie Vakir
just yet, So I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Rha.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the only reason I'm I'm leaning there is
because I bet don't be wrong. I'm completely fun if
they do the Stephanie thing. I just as I've said before,
they need to heat Stephanie up because they feel like
she has lost a little momentum and maybe it is
her winning the raw Women's Chamber and beating a bunch
of like that's what I think she needs. She needs
to beat some of these main one. It reminds me
very much of Punk's first title run where Batista and
seeing her funeral over there and DX were back together,
but he's like fighting like JBL and he's fighting like
other people where he was the world champ, but he
wasn't ever interacting with the top guys and other than
Stephanie beating EO, which same thing Punk beat Edge. After that,
Punk was on his own someome and then like Stemanie
feels the same way where it's like okay, like for
some reason, Ivy Nile's stepping up to think she can
be into the challenge, right, So it's like I would
like that. So if they can do that, and they
put her in a big RAW women's chamber and she
gets to beat a bunch of main peel not like Raquel, Maxine,
Natty who, David, I'll give you her moment. We want
to say anything on Natty. She turned heel this week
on Raw. This is I feel like this is her
last shot to have like one real big run before
she retires.
Speaker 2: So this is definitely probably the last row for her.
And I think this was all right. Look, we know
you're going to be out the.
Speaker 1: Door damn here.
Speaker 2: We know you're going to transition into just like a
straight up trainer mode and we're going to be taking
you off of TV probably with the next year or
TUSA here. Just have your little run with this, get
it over with it. We'll go for there. But I
get to see like Natty go full Natty, and you know,
as someone who has been watching her from the farting gimmick, like,
I'm happy to see her be able to do something
more like I always for someone who put up with that,
and I get it, like you're you're young in the
business and you're taking whatever they give you so that
you can stay on TV.
Speaker 1: But no one will the last name should ever fart
gimmick to go.
Speaker 2: This isn't some random kid you picked up off the
streets and things like that, or you know, this isn't
one of your nil kids that you're just here or
you know TV enjoy it like this is something. So
the fact that she dealt with that and dealt with
some of the other stuff that they have given her
to work with, like, I'm happy to see her get
a little bit of a shine.
Speaker 4: Oh trust you meet it.
Speaker 1: I'll say Ria for now because I'm just I think
one is wrong. I think the women's one is wrong
because I did for myself because I feel like I
actually I don't know, because I remember last year they
did Jay and Charlotte and the whole Nerrave was two
worst winners, right, Because at first I was gonna say,
would they do Ria and Roman because I think a
lot of people that's really safe they've won before, but
they've shown that they don't mind if they get that
criticism there. So I think I'm just gonna say Ria
for now because even for some reason, if we get
to an altern universe where you do like Ria versus
Jay Cargo. I could still even see that before I
see Ria or Live versus Jade, So.
Speaker 3: I feel I'll just say so, so if Real wins,
you'd have her and Stephanie Atmania for the title or.
Speaker 1: What I originally like months ago, the whole year I've
been saying that that I think they would do Rie
and Sevny. And again to me, I think just because
Stephanie's cool off, I don't know if that's the main
event match now. And my theory is you would have
that happened, and then EO wins the chamber, uh chamber,
she wins the title chamber, and that's so you get there.
It's kind of like accidentally because to me, if Real like.
Speaker 3: EO versus Stephanie as a match at the Chamber and
like no.
Speaker 1: I say, put in the chamber chamber like protect Stephanie
maybe like Judgment Day, screws are out of her or
something like that, like and maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: But that's why it's say, you know what, like Rio
wins the Rumble, EO wins the title before Mania, and
then that's.
Speaker 1: All because it's and then even then you can keep
this tag chance right because then it's like, oh, like
accidentally we're facing each other. Because I just feel like
it all depends on what those other matches are. If
it's a closer. I don't think Stephanie and Rhea will
close a mania, but I think Stephanie or Ria and
EO could. Now you know where I swamped from like
last year, because I think EO's her, Like we talked
about her not being booked for the world title when
she won it for three weeks. She's somebody that when
she's gone missing comes back, the crowd's still hot to
see her. Where I feel like with Stephanie, they're still
like hot, but it's not like originally what it was, right,
And that's not Stephanie's fault. EO's been around for years, right.
I just feel like Io's proven she can contain that
audience reaction reception and people love her. And I do
think if Ria gets a win over EO, it has
to be I guess you could do non title, but
if it's a title situation, I don't think it's a defense.
I don't think that's as hot as like Riha has
the title ready and then defends it. I think it
has to be too sure it's a one month run,
but like, ww is it all the time?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So that's that's my theory. But maybe they can do
Stephanie and same thing. If Stephanie and aren't the main event,
maybe they don't do or maybe they just maybe tripley.
She's like, yeah, we're pushing Stephanie to the sky and
they're main eventing. Because I thought I could have saw
that a year ago. So who do you guys think
will be a standout who gets the mostlimations or some
moments here in the in the women's rumble.
Speaker 3: I saw someone predicting that like that they would put
like Jade as the champion in the rumble. Oh god,
because I think I think they. I think no, because
because Brock did then in twenty twenty but I think
Charlotte also did that in like twenty twenty two or
something like that. But I don't think that's actually happening.
I just saw someone pretty like that though. It was funny.
But as for the standout, I could see, like if
a soul Ruka or something like that is in the rumble,
I could see her having like a standout type performance.
But I guess not counting NXT who I could seem.
Speaker 2: Say I think Jordan Grace is going to be one
of those high elimination people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I think.
Speaker 2: This is the time to give her a shine without
giving her any titles, because god damn they do not
want to get for a title.
Speaker 4: At least at least let her have this.
Speaker 2: I could also see lash Legend having some standout moments.
Speaker 3: That's a good one. Who else I think? I mean,
obviously I could see like like Rineo, who are gonna
be in the rumble? I mean their track champs are
probably gonna tease obviously like, oh, they're gonna be I
mean I could see them even doing like a number
one and number two for ren Eo. It's like, oh,
I mean they lived in like, oh they're the they're
the tag champs, but they gotta fight each other now
or something like that. Or they're they're friends and they
gotta fight each other now. So I think that could
be cool. Uh, I'm just looking at the chat. If
it's the same about the Bella Twins reunited, I do
think do we think Rebella is going to be in
this rumble? Oh yeah, you highlighted there. I wasn't sure
if you kid because I think the interesting thing was, like,
because I feel this might have even been last week
or the last time we were talking about like how
they don't want her to be in W because of
AW and how he thought that was dumb. But I
did see one of the clips in the in Unreal
had like one of the plans for SummerSlam was supposed
to be the Bella Twins reunited against the Judgment day.
So today that kind of says like, I mean, they
at least sort of considered it. It's not like it's like, oh,
she's never gonna be in W again because of Brian
and AW, but like that's that they at least considered it.
But that being said, I don't think she's in the
rumble necessarily.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Now I do like this Chelsea should be
in the final four.
Speaker 4: I could see Chelsea going far.
Speaker 2: I don't know about Final four, but I see her
going far and having some good spots and then just
being taken out on some type of fluke and then
absolutely losing it on the outside. I mean that would
just be so on part for her character. I love Chelsea,
like I love everything that she does. She has amazing
character work. I feel like she kind of got shitted
one at time during w W unreal because she has
been an absolute workhorse for them, and she just smiles
and goes along with whatever they give her, and she
puts on one hell of a show. So I could
see her lasting pretty long in there, coming down to
one of those final groupings and then just getting taken
out and throwing an entire fit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: She always has fun performances in the Rumbler and has
memorable moments, so I think she'll definitely have that once again.
Like you said, I don't think final four, but I
could see her being in the Rumble throughout, probably like
the whole middle stretch, Like I could see being there
from like ten to like twenty in the twenties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just at least give her some fun moments, because again,
she she creates those memorable comedic moments, and I think
that it would just be fun with that. I'd rather
see her creating memorial comedic moments than bringing back Our
Truth or Santina or something like that.
Speaker 4: Just give it to Chelsea Santina.
Speaker 1: You could do Santina the TENA relationship, right, you could,
You could bring you run it back? Uh, because I
had believe help the babies, did you guys? Mention was
pitching the Jade thing or just saying with Pere pitching
that they did that with Charlotte in the past. Yeah.
I only like that is if someone's had the belt
for like a year, they beat everybody, Like, well, I
have to go for the other ones, like Jade's don't
have for that long and god just be Chelsea Green again,
like they really need women over there. Could the Bell
Twins thing happen and then be?
Speaker 3: We were just talking about it saying like how I
think it might have been even last week the last
time we did how were we talking about Like we
thought like, oh, like they don't want to use Bree
at all because of like the Brian thing. But I
think with w and I just mentioned this though I'm
repeating it for those listening, but I think with the
summer Slam like plans and unreal like that was being
considered was the Bellotsman sports So yeah, kind of like
it's not like a complete like it's she's never gonna
be in here again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that wasn't completely us, remember, didn't one of
them say on the podcast, I feel like Nicole said
that like, oh, because he's with data, Like I feel
like Baker insinuated that's the reason why, or they thought
that might be the reason why. So I hope that happens. Paige,
I don't know if it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I just feel I'll say, like people look like she
has like a like convention appearance, like both dound the
day of and.
Speaker 1: Like nonsorty like tea yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.
I feel like there's just a little bit like I
feel like there's a there's a litany of things. I
think there's like obviously some past stuff, but I feel
like she's passed all of that stuff. But even then
at the past few years, I know it's her ex boyfriend,
but she's dating a gut it like he searched his
name online. Not a lot of good stuff comes up.
And then I think there's a little bit of bad
blood because I've talked about this before. Where with Punk,
when he came back to wrestling, it made sense to
start AW because he was very anti guy. It would
have never made sense for Edge's first place back to
be AW. It's like he had to come back in
w because he had that history there, and I feel
like they kind of felt like that with Paige, like hey,
if you're cleared and good to go, and like if
you're not gonna wait for us to clear you like
you kind of she ruined not room. But I'm saying,
from their perspective, she spoiled the she's back pop or
she's resting again pop, right, So I feel there is
some people that can go and leave and be with
AW and it works, and there's something like that. I
wouldn't as much as the vantage. I wouldn't want him
to start in AW and he was talking with Tony
two back then like he got a lot of money
but the offer supposedly, But I just I think that's
how they feel, like, Oh, you should have waited to
come back with us. You know you you played your
hand too much. So I don't think Paige fellas maybe
and sure get the bells we said before, get them together,
get them together for Mania. My personal two is I
think I think it could be I'm kind of torn.
So Jordan Grace I think could be in Boslots. She
could either be an iron woman or she could be
like the Highlight. I think, just like the war games,
they're probably gonna have lash be a highlight. I think
obviously they do that with the bigger yeah and the
other person. Though for the Iron Lady, that I'd like
them to do is fucking give Julia some credibility already,
Like give her something where it's like her being us
champ is not the credibility. Her being umber contender to
the taketiles not credit billity. Make it be like she's
like final four. She's in there for forty seven fifty minutes,
Like give her run so finally people will stop, like
when she comes out, it's just crickets, like make it
like of note, like oh, like that's one thing they
did great, and they follow up with her booking. But
the first time Roxanne was the main roster, she's in
the rumble. She wins to the end with Charotte. Now, granted,
as I said before last year, I still had her
top three because that spoiled the winner because Roxanne was
never beating Charlotte. But still like the run they gave
her because she holds the record, right, like the women's
record is.
Speaker 3: Just the when they break it like every year. Yeah,
I think I think the men's well, and I think
goon theirs still has the man's one. Okay, Kim and
Cody went like thirty five minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they broke Ray's record. That was like the oldest
one for a while. So that that to me is
like they did a great job with right away. If
you don't know who rocks and presses, they put her
on the map. Julia has been on the main roster
for what eight months now a little more than that,
and it's like people still don't know or care who
she is. So it's like, put her on the map,
give her some big eliminations, make her look like a
fucking badass. Don't just have her with Keanna James and
are doing tacting stuff and she's in the corner and
then gets thrown out, Like, to me, this rumble is
really gonna show because they still care about her in
a sense, like she has the guest title, she's in
this tag thing now. But to me, the rumble's gonna
really show right now where she's currently of like do
they really want her to be a big deal And
they're just like they just haven't connected with the booking
yet or they've already kind of like given up face.
So that's my hope is like make Julia the Iron Woman.
That's what I think they're gonna do. They're gonna give
her something and if not, then we'll talk about it
on Sunday. But did you give your two? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I said, like me and Dave had like the My
only extra one I had was like maybe a soul ruka.
Speaker 1: If Yeah, she could be the like a big highlight
reel and stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3: As for like any other like surprise entrance for the women,
I can't really think like there's not really any like
free agents or anything like that that can make like
a big debut that have been like at least reported about.
I mean there might be some that's like I don't know,
some secret aw release that like knows.
Speaker 1: NJ NJ, fat ass, bad attitude. She's making her big
your big debut. No, I thought that, you're mister XS.
What the hell is going on with Blake Monroe? She
has the title, she lose it, and I hear all
this stuff we talked about wasn't full on report, but like,
oh she make go up and now she's just like
Fune with Jada Park randomly like that feels very like
it feels odd. Why did they just put the title
back on her, or why is she not in the
main tail seeing like what's happening with her over there?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like that's pretty much what you just
said exactly what what she's doing.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: Punished for not kicking out? Is this We're gonna see
this on on real in a couple of months, you know.
I know I would have said her, I would have
said she could have debuted here, but now with her
doing the Jaya Parker thing, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also I think she's like advertised for like an NXT
like half show or something like that. But I mean, yeah,
I guess, well, there was like the poster with like
all the supposed like NXT names to be in the rumble,
so I guess those would be like the most surprised
type entrance. I guess.
Speaker 1: H Yeah, I don't think the I don't think the iconics.
I don't think they're getting the I don't think they're
getting the call.
Speaker 3: The rumor well it's not really rumor, but like I
think it was IVU who said it. That's like like
he hadn't heard anything, but like he thought it was
they would more likely be to a W than because
he said like he did say that like Triple A
hated them, but it was more like it was more
like he doesn't see like the type of stuff they do,
Like it's like the opposite of what Triple AH wants
because of like they do like comedy and they're not
necessarily like the like super Workers. But at the same time,
AW is kind of like the same thing. But the
thing AW has more going for is like they really
want tag teams.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 3: Also, they're like really good friends with Harley Cameron, who's
like obviously one half of the Tag two Chimpions, and
they have a show in Australia and like a month.
Speaker 1: That's true, So yeah, over there, I'm sure getting over
there you can do some comedy stuff. I I like
the iconics. I think that like it's all that Triple
She feels the way because like so much of they
are giving the DX is doing the comedy stuff, So
it's like, I think the iconics can always been used
in the right way. But yeah, no, we'll see any
anything else from Women's Remo surprises or thoughts, Ria, Rhea
and Live and David didn't say if Bianca isn't the saying,
would you agree that do you think she'd be winning it.
Speaker 2: If Bianca is in it, then yes, I think that
this is a great chance to throw her back into
the main event, saying amazing, so live.
Speaker 1: But we're all at Bianca is in it. We all
reserve the right to say we picked Beiyanca because we
just think that's the And I feel like maybe she's
gotta those mixed reactions. I don't think she get those
mixed reactions now. I think people missed her. She's been
gone for a little bit. I don't think she's gonna
be in the situation she was where she's in between
like two hot baby faces right now, like sorry you
put her and Jade at Beyonce, Beyonce and Jay WrestleMania.
I don't think the crowds turning against Beyonc. I think
and that works as Jade's the heel there. So we'll
see see what we talked about. And then the only
thing we didn't tuble we kind of talked around loosely
gun there and AJ. I think now I think we're
all locked in. I it's funny the wave we're going
because I thought they were. I thought like you were
talking subs in the discord, like some of the funk
was gonna happen, because like this feels all like it's
kind of a rush, and it's just like they know
that we know that ages contracts up students. Is like
what a perfect way. And I was like, well you
can't you know, I don't think is losing, but you
also can't have gun through lose. But again I'll plaud
them if this was on purpose, but just radomly given
knockmore on AJ styles like thirty minutes on Saturday Nights
of the Head, Yeah, which was a fantastic match, Like
you said, David Discord was the best match they've had.
No Dye that series was so disappointed, Like man, okay,
describe go back if people have not watch if you
new your fans, go back and watch sin Ky and
Nackamoora's fucking rumble win. The finals is Rome Rains and
John Cena versus Finn Ballard Knockamora. Finn Bower throws up
roam Rains and when he says, hey, the crowd fucking loses,
it's mine. People were ready for Knockamora. People for years.
People have been like, oh, when is there gonna be
an Asian or Japanese world champion Vincent, come tos all
the Asian the what is it? Not the Asian barrier,
but I'm sure he said that the Asian barry, the
voice bearry, the you know the lately we can't talk.
You know that's old. In Japan, their draw finally had
this guy who's red hot and cool and what do
you do? They have the match, well, who knows who
the Asian was? Match wasn't great, and then you have
Knockamore low blow them and kill like there was no
reason ever turned Knockomore heel and since that little blow,
Knockimore has been dead in WW for several years until
he did that cool like whatever showgun gimmick, but then
that died very quick too, Like it's just crazy, but
it was really cool to see this Knackamara I think
looked a little look. There's quite a few spots that
he was kind of mixing up. I don't know. I
don't know if it's just because he just doesn't wrestle
that much or he's getting older. But this match, for me,
I really enjoyed it, but also just made me furious
because I just was reminded of like, oh right, Shinsk
probably could have been a top like ten guy for
the past five years at least or since media.
Speaker 3: But like that's also terrible, Like they did this match
like eight years after Mania, Like what would that media
mantion look like if they just like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why I feel like because they're like, oh,
turn heel, we gotta do it this sort of way.
It's just like there's so many people.
Speaker 3: Like Vince was like, oh he's a heel, he's got
a wrestle slow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, and then like of course, like the
first heel promo Knockmore cuts is I don't speak English,
it's like, oh no, like it got a good pupa.
It's like Vince and like foreign characters would get just
such like tunnel vision because like the eighties and stuff.
But it's just it just made me mad because like
man Knockmore could at least been doing some stuff like
it was a little bit better. But no, this was
a great match, but yeah, gun there is uh. I
guess my question is like how does he win? Is
he win by pin? I don't think he just tapped.
I guess Seena tapped, Like I don't think he just
tappened out. But I don't think he tapped because like,
I think it's almost too similar to the age because
he beat gun through with the whole two right, but
the sleeper or do you just paying gold Goldberg?
Speaker 3: I think Goldberg passed out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I wonder if they're gonna want to
change up a little because they've had him retirement guy
via pass out, one guy tap and that just kind
of adds was ar arsenal, like, hey, you can't make
you tap. He's gonna beat you so obviously good, there's
gonna win. I think I would love it if they
gave Gunther an AJ the same amount of time they
gave Gunther or a j knockmore like even roughly around that,
And I'm looking very forward to it. I think it
could be really good. But yeah, Gunther's getting that big win.
What are your guys takes on this?
Speaker 3: I think I think AJ is probably tapping out as
well because of the story for it, because I mean
the stories that AJ wants to make Gunther tap out true,
I feel like it's gonna be the same thing. I mean,
I could see it being like I feel like they'll
do some creative finish for it, like he catches him
in mid air for like like it does the phenomenal
for him and like catches him in the sleeper mid
air or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he should do some like he should do
some crazy ship like count.
Speaker 3: Spiral. He catches the spiral tap you know it's the
last match the last movie does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or he should go, yeah, he should do the
he should go do the Bernie Hammer and then when
he goes to slam, their transitions into the boom not
so Yeah. What do you think, David?
Speaker 2: I think we're about to see AJ's last match. I
think Gunther's gonna take it. I think he's gonna end
it with this sleeper as well. That's gonna be his signature.
Puts you out to pasture.
Speaker 1: I really hope. I think Age is losing. Austin has
been the conspiracy hat on. Don't think it's happening, But man,
I hope it's not AJ's last match. And you know
there's a spot right there and all in I was,
even though you know, I'm really digging, I don't agree
this is gonna happen. People are trying to get I
think they're doing the mind fuck thing where they think
that Kenny's gonna beat M Jeff and Allen's gonna be
Kenny and Osprey. I actually would prefer that because that
would be great for Ausbrey win his first title off
of Kenny, the few they've had for years, that'd be amazing.
Don't think that's gonna happen, So I think Kenny will
be free for all In time, AJ, there's a there's
a big paycheck and a five star match sitting there
right for you, man, like just like just do it,
just one, just like go over do two months of
program like it's in right. The thing with.
Speaker 3: AJ and people talk about is like I think he
thinks he's worse than he is, and I think I
think so, Yeah, yeah, because I mean, if you if
you do read the thing that Knock Himore put out,
it seems like from the Sina match with AJ, he
knew he was retiring, like he says then because that's
when Knocklemore says he finds out on the Japan tour
and that was like a few days after Crown Jewel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's the thing because I don't know if
it's booking right now, because I know you've seen us
as he does want like a big retirement. It's like, oh,
like we kind of deserved. Like I'm so surprised we
didn't get like one singles aj Tyle run during this
not even the main time just like us or I see,
but uh yeah, I think it'll be something good. But
I I helped TK Tony Kahn. Even if he says
he's retired, at least give him a call, like you know,
madd Nick, have his number, give him a call and
then like actually first text him, say call me, and
then have a dollar amount at the bottom of that
and then call him and then call him.
Speaker 3: Make sure it's a million for for one match. Do it?
Speaker 1: Do it? The buzz will be there, especially now Dooty's
running that fucking event like what three weeks before all
In or something. Now it's like, you know, people are
gonna be spending money to w and luckily UK has
a lot of wrestling fans. They don't always get the
bigger events. I'm sure most of them will go to
two that want to, but there still will be people
that would have gone to aw Oh you know, I
only have the money from one go to b add
a little more juice on there, I'm telling you, and
I I think it won't happen, But I'm still gonna
five percent chance because anything's possible. And wrestling people are.
Speaker 3: Like we were talking about like Bailey, like AJ, like
he has said like once I retire, I want to
be like a coach of the PC and sometuff like that.
Speaker 1: So you got w mind, you got fed mind controlled,
you know. So he's just hoping for that White House
invite too. You know. That's that's what they keep doing.
We're gonna bring you one time. AJ, We're gonna bring you.
I can't wait when you retire and sign the Legends deal.
That's that's why if I was Dodey, how do you
not have someone retire and then the second they're done,
like signed to a Legends deal right away, you know,
like their lawyer should be having that faxed AE right now,
like hey sign this when you're done. But yeah, we
will see. And then what were some of the notes
we had here, you know, just talking about a J
Syls s Bubbs, talk about TEENA David Because you didn't
watch the show, did you?
Speaker 4: I watched the first show. I didn't watch.
Speaker 1: Okay, surefect which we don't have ratings on that second show,
so I'm excited. So yeah, obviously this show has been
much maligned. It was their debut on AMC pulled about
one seventy three, so we'll see how it does. That's
probably the high end. But uh, yeah, you guys describe
something because I only see the memes and I only
heard podcasts talk about it, and it sounds like a
nuclear war. A nuclear bomb went off for this show.
Like I've seen everything, so I know what happened in it,
but I didn't watch it. But yeah, we'll start with you.
How was I'll start because you've watched now two weeks
of the TENA on AMC, so you can be back.
Speaker 2: For a third.
Speaker 3: I might. I don't know. Maybe, I guess I only
forgot what they advertised like for next second and well
even even to a more little TNA moment, they like
leaked like three weeks ahead, like so if you if
you like, because you can watch on AMC, or like
they have like their own shoe shirts like TNA plus
and so on the TNA plus feed like after the
show ended, because what they do is they do a
live episode and then they tape like then like a.
Speaker 1: Few that the same crowd still with these last wow no.
Speaker 3: No, no, it was the first week was live. Second
week was live as well, and then after the second
week they taped like I think like one more week
and then the day after they usually do like a
weekend of like taping and stuff like that, but they
like taped. Like honestly, if you're there at the show
and they just like do another match, you don't necessarily
know like when that's gonna be four because they're not
hearing the commentary or anything. But what what happened is
like the TNA Plus feed and like the show ended
and just have like thank you for watching TNA, but
the audio like kept going and so you could hear
like the match that was going on, and it just
like leaks a bunch of stuff, like because commentary's talking
about it like this would be airing like three weeks
from now, and they're just talking about stuff that like
like oh, this person after they won this match last
week or something like that, and like they kind of
leaked a bunch of stuff, which was pretty.
Speaker 4: Like a little tl I think they leaked one of the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they leaked that they leaked like what the main
event of like the next pl is.
Speaker 1: He spoilers everyone is want to know. Skip ahead five
minutes I don't know what's the next main event.
Speaker 3: I think it's it was it was Santana and Slater
against Nick Nemath and Eddie Edwards because Eddie Edwards has
the world title briefcase. But also they're teasing, which is
very funny because they might not have Leon take a pin.
They're teasing that Leon my use the option ce and
like vacate his title they get a world title shot.
Speaker 1: So like, so is it did you say this is
a four ways?
Speaker 3: The tag team tag match sore? Just like they're just
gonna have like Leon and Santana team teaming up against
the heels. But it's like, oh, Leon could could cash
in on Santana too, but so like their tag.
Speaker 1: Team matches, or they managed to take team match with
the idea of someone could use a briefcase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and technically three people in this match could cash it,
like Leon could cashion his option.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 3: Nick Nemmoth has like his money in the bank trophy
and then Eddie Edwards has the freecase as well, so
they have like three money in the banks.
Speaker 2: There's there's the call your shot thing, that's what Nicknammoth has,
and then there's option see, so they have three different
ways that someone could at a time cashing a championship match,
and all of.
Speaker 4: Them are going to be in this match the option.
Speaker 1: See thing, I'm fine because that's somebody was stablished. You
should not have like two like money in the bank
briefcase at the same time with see it, like I
mean like for the same title. Like that's just like ridiculous.
The only way I will forgive them for this if
they have all three men cash in on the same
night and you have four people hold the title at
the end, like you have Leon do it, and then
who's the other guy that has it Eddie Edwards, have
Eddie Edwards do it, and then you have Ziggler at
the end or Nimah boom. That's the only way I'll
accept it, because at least it'd be something fun. Or
if they all like cash at the same time and fail.
But like, man, that's a that's gonna be some that's
like bad ww like like cinema storytelle, because it's gonna
be a lot of like always looking at me, you
always get a cash You're like, that's man, It's just
it just befuddles me out every decade somehow ten ends
up like this. I don't know how. I don't know
how like since the two thousands, I just I don't
get it. But how is the actual watching the shows.
Speaker 3: That we Honestly the first Threek everyone talked about it.
It was just like it was not a good show,
like even for TNA standards, Like it was three matches
over like two hours.
Speaker 2: And like they were a saying that he needed to
be quick speaking. There's a lot of wrestling to get to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just like a bunch. It was like, well,
people say, it's like it was like the Ron Netflix
premiere if they had like no budget, Like it was
like like they could get like three celebrities. They're like
quote unquote celebrities and they're just like people from like
an AMC show and like and like they literally did
like the celebrities and the crowd shot and it was
just like people on the roster, like a J. Francis
like in the crowd. It's like, oh, look A France
is here.
Speaker 4: He's contracted to be here, he's roster.
Speaker 1: I saw those I saw those celebrity shots with like
there's no crowd behind them.
Speaker 3: It was just like bad production, Like they even messed
up AG's team song, like when he came out, like
they put his Titan tron off and then the music
didn't start playing for like ten seconds and the the
TNA plus stream crashed and missed the whole first match,
like the Hardys were making their entrance and the stream
pros and it unfroze like fifteen minutes later when they
were like finishing the match.
Speaker 1: And also he didn't talking about remember too, they add
and this was before like storms went on. They had
a bunch of towns, but they didn't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a bunch of some of that visa issues,
like people have tracked the timelines like the Leon Slayer
thing was is not like a visa issue like that
was like asked where they're like, oh, it's a visa issue.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy too. But even then when le N
cut that promo, so I couldn't be there. It's out
of me and Teena's hand. What like you unless your
family is having emergency, it is not out of your
boss's hand, like what is going on? Like made the
call he did, and that's why it's like, Okay, if
you know a certain talent that could have actual legiti
visa issues, don't book them for the premiere, have them
kind of.
Speaker 3: Promo besides Leon, like the people they announced as having
VI said, well, the thing is like for the like
Danny Luna is one of them, Like there's like, oh,
she couldn't be at their premiere because she'd these issues.
But like if you go by the segment that it
was going to be, it was just going to be
like a promo segment. The real issue was for the
pay per view where that was like some people actually
miss that dude to like like she couldn't be there.
But for the actual premiere, it's like even stuff like
there's just so much they could have done better, like
like uh like Nick namth like he wasn't even on
the first show, I think because they actually did run
out of time because they said it like the main
event of the pay per view wasn't mean like seen
or mentioned at all on the actual premiere because it happened.
They have to really says a digital exclusive like Santana
won the title and like the show ended like that
came out. It's like, oh, it's gonna be a Texas
death match at Genesis, but none of that was on
the actual show. So if you if you got no
social media and just watch the show and you saw
Saintana win the title, like you would have no idea
what the main event of the paver. He was like
two nights after Jesuist. I tell yeah, it was not
a very good show the premiere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't ever want to fucking hear anybody, anybody
Bischaw or any of those people talk about number two promotion.
It ain't it ain't happening. It's never happening. I still
say I'll never say never because AW goes away. But
it's just like I have more faith than New Japan
recovering right now than I do Teena ever do, because
again it's it's what we talked about before with the
AW New Japan thing. This partnership is not good, especially
in the pay Review and Liam like sends in that
promo and it's like, I don't know, a big shot
to my boy Joe Hendry for covering me. So it's like,
imagine if you're going to pay Review and you're gonna
see a title that right, even if you think Leon's
winning it, right, a nine nine percent always a chance
it could happen. So you go from an even storyline
wise how does that make sense for two people going
for the ex division title to instead of reschedule the match,
It's just well, Joe Hendry's now here, and it's just
like for the purse, it's like what like dudes like
figure out some way and just fucking leon lose that
tit already put him in a mat maybe that's what
triple there always were, But put him in a fucking
thirty man battle royal and have him get like them
all team and throw him out, like get it off.
Speaker 3: And clearly that's something very funny about the Joe Hundre
ATCHI justis it's like, you know, he's there just making
this entrance to the crowd is like waving their hands
and stuff. Encounter he's like, wow, the crowd remembers the
days of Joe Hendry and TNA like talking about it
like he was there like fifteen.
Speaker 1: Years ago, months ago. It's not like I get when
AJ comes out. You can say that, but it's like,
and are we really not because like the rumbles this week,
like they're really not like ages not having a teen
a match at all? Is that not happening?
Speaker 3: The rumor was like they were expecting him too, but
he's not. He's like he's watching that premiere. He's like,
I'm not doing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give me Knocket sign his event. Sorry, Frankie, I
hate calling up for the next pay per view. They
were your thoughts on what you've seen so far from
the new scene, and.
Speaker 2: It had a strong first opening five minutes and then
it has been a steady down hill since that.
Speaker 4: I mean it seems like even in.
Speaker 2: That first episode, like the lighting design changed mid episode,
like it was just I have no idea what's going
on with.
Speaker 3: All the cameras are color graded differently, Like half of
them are just like yellow. Yeah, they shots and the colors.
Speaker 1: Of Michael Bay type of shit going on right now.
Speaker 2: And this the fact that most of the first episode
was taken up by the Elegance brand and bringing in
this just like like random dude from OVW that everyone's
supposed to get excited about and no one just gives
any shit about it fell so flat and everything else
from it, like none of this is has been good.
I do hope that they they find their footing and
they at least, you know, put out some good product,
But they will, I will say, like never be to.
Speaker 3: Like watching the second episode, like even just like the
first like twenty minutes of the second episode was like
just already miles better because actually and also oh yeah,
Carlos Silva like opened the second show like it was
like he's just on all these shows.
Speaker 1: I hear he likes to be on the shows as
much as more than Tripleah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so and I mean I saw someone say like
the end of this obviously has to be like like
someone's putting him through a table like they did like
Dixie Carter.
Speaker 1: But uh and man makes he coming out again? Bood,
Like I'm with It's it's so tough, right because I
always thought.
Speaker 3: About fifty to fifty opinions where it's like half of
the people stay like, oh, it wasn't really her fault,
and then other people like reply to that with like
examples of how it was her fault.
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's that's a tough thing, right because you may
argument that she did keep that company going Peytontown. I
think it's like luckily we never got this, but in
the thick of it, when people fucking hated scene and
like like go away heat, like I wom them off
with TV. I always want I'm like, man, if we
ever get to the hall fame, like he's even me
the first whole thing and that gets booed and luckily
never nowhere near that, right. But I always think like,
oh yeah, and wrestling, it shows like enough time passes,
people forgive you and they just do some cheer. And
it's like not for Dixie Carr, Like if I was
there life, firstly, I wouldn't be booming her. I don't know,
I don't know if I'm gonna cheer or clap, but
it's like there's a lot of bad decisions and I
think that's saved to me for people like the way
Hogan was, or like the way people should boo Vince,
but you know what, Evince came e. Vince was number
thirty at the Rumble. People would fucking pop and they'd
do backflips if he won. You know, like Dixie Carter
does not deserve to be food. I think like that
there is tons of things that she didn't do great,
but it's like like not all like Jared made a
lot of mistakes too, That's how she got that coming, right,
Carlo Silva making a lot of mistakes too. It's like
it's not like all these bookers make mistakes and stuff.
So it's like unless you're doing something like like illegal
or physically ill, it's like it's so and I don't
really care. So I don't care about Dick's Carter. I
think there's tons stuff in Teena that sucked under her.
But I just could not believe like man like that,
like people just would not let it go for this
like special time. And that's one thing I've heard too
about the show and the clips I've seen, Like I
get that Teenage has been around for a while, but
it's like the companies shouldn't have been doing that. They
should have have been doing like, oh, twenty years ago
we had this and they show these montage of all
these stars they had and stuff. It's like, I guess,
but like you're just showing them it was a better time.
It's not. It's not like ww wh and they're showing
you like from the eighties, like oh, that was so
far ago. It's like this was twenty years ago. Yeah,
they're not exactly right. It's not like NXT where it's like,
look at our college brand that they all grew up
and went better. It's like, no, like these are all
the people you lost due to money or bad booking
or whatever it is, Like I don't know, it's it's
a weird thing. And I again, I wish them best
of luck. If they could every second company great, like
more places for people to work, the better. But other
people have said, like because I listened to like a
Boo show last week when she's like, there's a reason
all these people are leaving, It's like, yeah, like saying
that New Japan, there's reason all those people leaving. That
wasn't creative, that was money. That was because in New
Japan they're not paying you shit all. So it's like
we're leaving, We're getting the fuck out of here. It's
like and you can't expect that. You can't expect no
matter how good. Like the only people you could expected
us is the fucking nineties ECW people that would accept
like a piece of gum from Paul Hayman and go
out and take a glass spot. That was a That
is the exception to the rule. Not most workers are
gonna do that. People were like, pay Paul, I haven't
been too paying two months. It's like it's all coming
next month.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like that doesn't happen anymore so, it's just yeah,
it's it's wild, it's you know, that's a lot too.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, I saw well speaking of like I
was talking about, I guess going completely off DNA's being
about like Japan now, like oh like in same with TNA,
like a reason the leader is just because of the money.
I was seeing people talking about with all this news
of a bunch of people like rumored to be leading
New Japan, like Fin Lane, gay Kid and Evil like that. Yeah,
but there's something people are talking about. Like there was
a like a promo from from Yoda Suji like last year,
and it was honestly a heel promo, and he was
talking about like like oh like and because this thing
is like you know, he's the very like nu like
anti like aw and Japan. Yeah, but he was like
it was like a heel promo. This was supposed to be.
But he was talking about like, oh, like all these
people wouldn't leave if like you just paid us all
like one hundred million yen and stuff like that, like
that's a good price for us. And it was supposed
to be like a very exaggerated like like number, but
if you look at that, like the pay is basically
just like that's like Dorty like main roster, like minimum money.
They would probably like that's probably like half of an
AW pays as well. So you can just see like
that's the reason, like they leave because they're just not
getting paid, like and they don't have the money. Everyone
like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it makes sense, right, and that's where you
need the other companies to start do better. And I've
heard people saying good things about these last New Japan shows,
so I hope they can keep them up the momentum
and get those crowds back and stuff. But uh, yeah,
those are all interesting. Like we touched now we get
the free agency stuff because we got rascals going to
AW uh and then Trey mill Gal not going there.
He's back in teena.
Speaker 3: When he made his entrance on DNA, like he worked
the match and he did some cool stuff, but his
face when he made his entrance, it just seemed like
he did not want to be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a it's such an interesting situation because
like obviously this had happened with the Briscos right where
they like in twenty ten made some video and they
had like these like homophob book slurs and stuffing. I
never saw the videos, but like it's it was specifically
Jay Brisco and then that's why the Briscos couldn't come up.
And then obviously he passed away and all this stuff happened,
and I guess it's the same thing that happened with Trey,
which is like this one I understand like a bit
more because but Jay not that any of it's good.
But Jay Brisko was like that's almost like it was
like over a decadego where this is like apparently like
five twenty twenty, like it's like in the post COVID it.
So it's like I understand. It's just like from I
get from their perspective of tating all that stuff a
lot why it must suck for him and the crew
of like you're all together, you leave, you get signed,
and then Warner Brothers doesn't clear you. He probably made
the smart thing that yeah, go back there and see
what happens rascals like with aw I see two realms
with him, right, they could be the next Jet Speed
where if like both Bailey and Kevin Knight are getting
pushes and their inmintenant stuff, they're getting titles, or they
could just be guys working roh in the Trios title
losing for the fifteenth time, Like I really don't know,
because like there's a lot of similar guys to them
work rate wise, so I could see that Finley, this
sounds mean I don't really care where he goes. I
don't want aw. I like the guy enough. I just
always thought he's like a good hand. I've never even
the times when I was watching New Japan full time,
I've never seen him as like the guy evil to
chase you sure, get him in there, get him in there, evil. Uh,
I don't know, go hang over the you o and
just go take a NXT paycheck for a while. That's fine.
I don't know what he has left in the tank.
Speaker 3: And gave is Like I feel like, weirdly, I feel
like it kind of does fit in like for WW
type heel with like the interferences and stuff like that. Yeah,
I feel like he's on that like like people mean
about like the like when we're getting Solo versus Evil.
But I feel in terms of like a character and
stuff he would do would kind of be in that
range of like I think.
Speaker 1: So, I think his ceilings maybe it's a little bit
above but I said in the discord, I think he's
fucking j C. Matteo. I think like he literally could
also just be like, oh heavy, they bring in a
judgment day who just interferes a bunch, and that's like,
I don't think there's much for evil. His work rate's
gone down. Gave Kid doesn't matter how much money they
give you, do not sign to the FED. That is
not the place for you. You're just like he's going there.
When Dave was like, oh, they're gonna offerim lots of money,
it's like, I sure hope they don't fucking do. Like
I like I gave Kid in W is not the
right comple That's like Darby and W. It's like that's
not the right place for you, Like this is the
place and then h before Yeah with Hobbes or now
Royce Keys just makes sense. We unfortunately tell about the
bunch of the discord. This is like rumored and that happened,
so it's like us repeating. But it's just like Tony
never ran with the guy. He always made sure he
had his spot, he always made sure he's on TV.
But there's multiple times where he did great performances and
this is a guy. If you look at his debut
versus now, this guy got in megastar shape. He was
a big guy in AW but he was not trim.
He was not shredded now or Winnie debuted now he
looks like a fucking nineties at you the guy, and
I imagine he's not on any juice. I guess we'll
find on w W. Actually, I don't even know if
they do the Welles Paulic anymore. I don't even know
if that's a thing. But the thing is like he like,
I don't know what his ceiling is with in WWE,
but it's I think better there, and even then I
feel like it's worth trying where AW he just never
like why was Hangman in that match that could have
been a pay like a main event of that paper
viewer one of them, Right, Like there's just certain times
where it's just doesn't matter what money he was gonna
get from AW. I understand from his perspective, because he
was always just kept there. And as far as some
of the other big guys, like he's one of the
best ones, I understood why they never pushed Lance Archer
because like Lance Archer is like a black hole charisma
I'm sorry, Like he has nothing going on there right,
like he can get the job done. Brian Cage kind
of similar thing where it's just like he doesn't have
like another factor Hobbs does have that he does. I
don't think he has it or factor, but he has
like a next level toom where if you give him
more reps is like a main guy or even like
a eighth ninth guy down like you could get something there.
So I never understood it because like even with we
talked about, like even with Ricky he still ran with
him for a bit, there's never like the full big
push of Hobbs. There's minor pushes, but never the big pushes.
So this makes sense to me. I hope he does well.
I hope he doesn't just become a stable throw him
in the Vision to eat pins or something like that,
like and again feel like, what's going on theory, what's
going like traps broken record but saying this for a year,
I don't know, you guys, person.
Speaker 3: The report for theory was really like He's coming to
the Vision to take pins and people are like no,
like he's gonna get a push finally, and then he
shows up loses his first match DQ and then just
taking pins like it's.
Speaker 1: All it's it's all about the person night. It's like
what we told about Cardona, Like he lost to fucking
Trick Williams. It's over. It's done, Like like he is
like push it and save them. The theory, this is
like the Nanny thing. It's his last shot. Same thing
if Nanny loses like Maxine first go around, David, it's
over for that's it. The push is done. You can't
do the ship where all Maxing got a quick one
and then Daddy talked after the match that ship's lay.
That doesn't work anymore, Like Austin theory, it's that project's dead.
So the same thing with Hobbes is like I just
don't I worry. There's two routes he can go and
that is a word where he could get in the
sable and he is just kind of like the fifth
fourth guy there. So I think hops with some great potential.
But yeah, Dave, what do you think about some of
those free agents out there? Signs got Rastle aw keep Kid,
Evil Finley, Hobbes or Royce Keys. Where are something who
takes on these?
Speaker 2: I think rascals will be fun in aw but I
could see them on a ring of honor pretty soon,
Like aw is just blooded and they move things around
so much it's hard to see. Unless they can find
themselves with a feud with the don Kallis family so
that they can stay on TV, they'll have that seems
to be the only way to stay on TV at
this point is to interfeed with someone from.
Speaker 4: The don Kallis family.
Speaker 3: Evil.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're gonna do with Evil other
than he's gonna take the shin skate route where he
just comes to America, chills out, goes for a good surf,
pass some coffee, and hangs out with EO's guy, just.
Speaker 4: Calls it a day, rides it out.
Speaker 1: He's gonna do like the fake hype lord that Knock
Moore and Tong are doing smacked and like you remember
the past, Yeah, I remember the past. And then just
like you know, you remember this they used to wrestle
in Japan, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So outside of that, I hope they do something good
with Hobbs or Royce Keys now, Like I could see
him taking the if they let him really explore, like
his personality taking the big Ee route, being the big
powerhouse but can still be fun and talk and things
like that, so we'll see. I don't have too much
faith that he won't just get lost in the mid
card after a while because they have a lot of
call ups and a lot of other things going on.
Speaker 1: Right now, where's Russe Man? Where the fuck is Russa?
How do you go from he's una versus Cody at
the King of the Ring finals to like he's not
on TV for months now, like unless he's injured or
family stuff. Where the fuck is this dude?
Speaker 2: You know something, he's purposely keeping him off of TV
so that he can have a big return.
Speaker 6: But that's just like I get thrown out five minutes
in the return I saw it was like how W
saw Russo before SummerSlam, And it's like that photo where
it's like a fourth Kenny Kurt angle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the same thing, right, Like I know,
W's like we're always trying to find new town, but
it's like you got a lot of new town, Like
you got a lot of talent like both like which
is funny because like I can't remember some I can't
remember it was day but but someone put up there
like oh yeah, both eight. I mean I've kind of
put out they're not really hiring right now. It's like
then the past weeks they're hiring.
Speaker 3: People like it was a boot and then Dave was
like that is not true. Yeah, like always hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like there's so many people and I don't think
they need to be but it's just like same thing.
It's like, do you like I guess it depends what
you're paying for RUSA and get Russom, get your bank.
Speaker 3: But just like they just hired like like seven guys
because that men's division was like they called up everybody.
So they're just like literally every week they've announced like
two new people come straight to that. See.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think.
Speaker 2: Back to was it last year when Nick con said
we don't hire people just to bench them? And now
they've got all these people benched, like all these people
who you're just like, where the fuck are they? Where
the fuck are the street profits? Where's right?
Speaker 1: Where are the street profits? Apparently they're just chilling. But
you know, it's that one I'm almost kind of fun
with because it's like if Beyonca is also home, I'm
sure Montest It's like, yeah, sure, I'll take some time
off hang off with my wife, right, But it's like,
was it. Are they just gonna come back like nothing
ever happened, because remember they were splitting up and TV
they were like being mean to each other and got me.
Speaker 3: Remember, but I forget their last TV appearance. I mean
I feel like they were friends again.
Speaker 1: Were they Oh my god, it's just like my like
it's yeah, it's just it's crazy. So any thoughts any
of those free agents or signings that have happened this
last month or are happening.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think you pretty much said the thoughts.
Speaker 1: Where's Hop's going to be in a year? Going to
be in a year? Your prediction? Select champion? Yeah, my
next year team with Henry.
Speaker 3: I could see him, like I don't think he'd currently be.
I could see him having like a US title run
sometime in twenty twenty six. I could see him be
being the one to beat Mellow for it if they don't,
because I mean right now, Mellow like at I could
see it even though they stand on the liver match
was not really good, but they might do it.
Speaker 1: Do you think they do that one on one or
a multiman?
Speaker 3: I mean, if they wanted to, if they wanted to
do like an actual good match. They would do Ilia
versus Trick versus Mellow because they gave Trick like his
greatest match at all the time.
Speaker 1: They could and then maybe through Royce in there, you
could have a thing that where Trick beats Smelling. Then
maybe that Hobbs or Keys takes it off of him.
So yeah, I'm also interested if he's gonna be a
facer or a heel. In my opinion, make him a heel.
It's tough because you go Braun. Yeah, I guess that
is kind of tough because I say, do the monster
heal thing, but he got he got opening.
Speaker 3: Up bron monster faces, So I guess, yeah, so do that,
and you know I agree with the meat match with
that'll be you. That'll be his first win, like n
WW call now like Russa will come back and they'll.
Speaker 1: Be like, oh, like I remember to challenge and then yeah, he'll.
Speaker 3: Scream about you know, he'll he'll do Russa will do
like a Lore promo. They be a debut match and
he'll beat Russo.
Speaker 1: They should get someone they need Jimmy Johns or someone
to sponsor that match. It should be if they don't
call it meach madness. They should have a meat sponsor
that match and just make it big. But yeah, we'll see. Yeah,
I think babe. I've liked people's pitch. I don't think
it's gonna happen. I like the pitch of Punk bringing
him as backup to fight the vision because to me,
it's like, rarely do you see baby faces do that.
You always just see the He'll be like, oh and
here's my new protection. It's like, hey, this guy, you
can break Now, I break the fourth wall. You just
be like back up. You could just be like, hey,
I know this fucking bad ass who's now free agent.
I brought him in. He's here to help me done
and what a good like whether it's Bronze and or Braun,
what a good way to debut where it's Punk standing
there and he has a face off of one of
those guys be like, I got a fucking meet he
some on bitch over you too. Like that to me
is like could actually work. I don't think they're gonna
do it, but I've liked people's pictures like, yeah, have
funk just say yeah, I'm bring in the sky. I
need back up. The looches aren't doing it. They're not
big enough, you.
Speaker 3: Know, so let's get them so or he helps heal
Cody win at Mania.
Speaker 1: Oh he'll oh yeah, and they just do uh Diesel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the Nightmare Family.
Speaker 1: Because Hobb's first match I think was the I think
it was the the TNT Open Challenge, right David.
Speaker 3: I think it was like Dark before the Right Austin
like thirty seconds on Dark or something like that, and
that made them like, oh, this guy is like up
for for doing anything.
Speaker 1: Oh look what happens when you're losing aw right for
they think Willow.
Speaker 3: I think her first match was awesome. I'm dark like
losing like.
Speaker 1: Same as hard of the Cameron same thing was. Yeah,
you're right, it was a dark match. I'm trying to
find when it like main roster was okay, so technically
I guess his first main roster match was a twenty
one casino Battle Royal, so he was just in a
whatever match, but match, that's the first Yeah, I thought
it was Cody, Okay, Yeah, look, I thought it was Cody.
I thought he was one of the people. But no,
I'm seeing that it's maybe Lee Johnson. So I guess
I just mendel affected myself. That he was like a
because I know it was Eddie was one.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: Ricky was one. I know David who was that wrestler.
I suppose you might know too. There's a wrestler. It's
like an ultimate Order Horse war Where is he nowadays?
Speaker 3: It's still on the I think injured.
Speaker 2: Okay, He's made some appearances on on Collision and things
like that. He does a lot of dark matches for them. Okay,
but yeah, now that that's Warhorse because it was a
huge deal. And then when they came to Saint Louis,
he was on the pre show.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I remember, I have his first uh parahoobs
first Dynamite mat.
Speaker 1: Okay, what is it?
Speaker 3: It is FDW title Brian Cage defeats Will Hobbs.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a nice little start. Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his first actual match was aw Dark Orange Cassidy
defeats Will Hobbs in thirteen seconds.
Speaker 1: Oh no, well, you know, good on Will Hobbs. He
took that job and now he's going to fucking do
too be So I hope I like him again. Good
Worth epic. I think wc's that their body people as well. So,
like he like said, it has just been shred looking great.
So I think if barring big injuries and barring stuff,
if things go well, I legitimately think he could be
like like I'm not saying like the guy mana venture,
but he could be in that top twenty, like so
independable an act, or he could just be another mid
cart guy. So I guess we'll have to see. But
uh yeah, because no, I just remember wars because he
came with so much hype but then like they signed Eddy,
they signed Ricky and they didn't sign Warhorse, and then
uh yeah that was it. So but anything else we've missed,
anything else we've talked about, touched the poem before we
end this episode.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, and I think pretty much everything
we've covered and just gone in all sorts of different directions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing said, We not much in aw right now.
They're just kind of their holding pattern because they don't
got a PVV til March. Fucking man. I couldn't believe
Kenny wrestles a match, and then right after Don Cow's
music hit last week, obviously, uh we got him in Uhlexander,
which was good, and we're getting him on draft eventually,
which was years. Yeah. But like man with that music hit.
I was so bummed. It's like manly two weeks of it.
But uh, yeah, we'll see. I think Night and Swerve
out good match on the show and stuff. So I
think they're just gonna gonna be in a holder and
pan for a bit and then we'll see, because yeah,
we'll and next yeah, so I guess damn. I did
an announce the beginning of the show that yeah, we
will be plans to go live for The Rumble next
week right after because Rumble is in the middle of
the afternoon, starts at two pm Eastern eleven am specific
or whatnot, so we should go being live relatively soon
after that. And then yeah, and then GM Mode will
be on the seventh at one thirty pm PST. And
then after that, I'm not sure what's after the because
Chambers not till February, right, is there like some sertiings
main event, I.
Speaker 3: Think pretty much the next thing would be the Chamber.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty six. When is that? That is February twenty eight,
So okay, there'll definitely be an episode kind of in
between there, but so probably like a predictions or something,
So we'll see. So yeah, stay tuned for either next
week or we do the GM mode. We'll keep more
updates on that, but or you can just describe it
and you get updates all the time. Thank you guys
for join me as always and yeah, we'll be back
next week for the Royal Rumble, which is always a
fun show and we promise you it'll not be boring.
Speaker 2: My