Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's that time of the year again. It's just
Speaker 3: about spring. We're into March now and years from now
Speaker 3: people will be listening to this going, what's the big deal, Cliff,
Speaker 3: what's going on? Well, this year twenty twenty six, it has
Speaker 3: been very cold, record cold, record blizzards in the East
Speaker 3: side of the United States. We've had record rain here
Speaker 3: on the West side in California particularly, and it's been cold,
Speaker 3: and for some reason, maybe it's age related, it's been
Speaker 3: uncomfortably cold. So there you go. So we're happy that
Speaker 3: spring has finally arrived and that's a good thing. Now, Hey,
Speaker 3: with spring's arrival, that means that we're looking at conferences.
Speaker 3: Conferences pop up, and if you know anything about me,
Speaker 3: I used to be a program director for a very
Speaker 3: large conference called Whole Life Expo. Look it up under
Speaker 3: your search engine. Based here in San Francisco. We had
Speaker 3: Whole Life since La in Toronto, New York, Atlanta, Georgia, Wisconsin, Minnesota,
Speaker 3: where else Texas. Anyhow, at it's peak there was seven
Speaker 3: or eight of them and it was kind of like
Speaker 3: an experiential kind of conference where there was two hundred speakers.
Speaker 3: There were hundreds couple hundred at most or at minimum
Speaker 3: exhibitors with all kinds of stuff, and it was the
Speaker 3: latest and the greatest of everything from personal growth, spirituality,
Speaker 3: lots of wellness. And when I was the program director
Speaker 3: here in San Francisco, many of the exhibits were of
Speaker 3: the latest vitamin therapies, tinctures, a lot of stuff. Back then,
Speaker 3: we're talking the late nineteen nineties, ninety nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 3: to two thousand and two or three. A lot of
Speaker 3: these vitamin therapies weren't really well tested, so you could
Speaker 3: get in trouble if you took too much of it.
Speaker 3: And that goes for vitamins and minerals today as well
Speaker 3: as herbs. There's certain toxic levels that you can run
Speaker 3: into if you take too much of it. But anyhow,
Speaker 3: so back then there were all kinds of minerals and
Speaker 3: vitamins and stuff to try. It was kind of cool
Speaker 3: and it was in kind of the end of the
Speaker 3: New Age movement, the Hippie period, and that's why on
Speaker 3: average in San Francisco the attendance was twenty thousand people.
Speaker 3: That is a lot of people. We did one in
Speaker 3: what was it? It was in Austin, Texas and this
Speaker 3: is like nineteen ninety seven, and that drew I think
Speaker 3: close to twenty thousand people. It was just overwhelmed because
Speaker 3: people were curious and they wanted to check things out,
Speaker 3: and they wanted to hear about the latest vitamin therapy
Speaker 3: and what's going on in spirituality and would you believe?
Speaker 3: And I don't they claim to this personally, But I
Speaker 3: also introduced the UFO stuff, UAPs, alien interactions, but it
Speaker 3: got into channeling, it got it. I mean, it was fun.
Speaker 3: I had a great deal of fun. So I should
Speaker 3: just do a show on that sometime, just all the
Speaker 3: stuff that was going on back then. But anyhow, Springtime
Speaker 3: is the launch of a number event of events, and
Speaker 3: we are sponsoring a new event. I should call it
Speaker 3: a resurrected event because it changed ownership. It's the New
Speaker 3: Living Expo twenty twenty six held in San Rafel, California.
Speaker 3: That's in the San Francisco Bay area, and it has
Speaker 3: over one hundred speakers and has about one hundred plus exhibits.
Speaker 3: It's smaller than some of the old types, but very
Speaker 3: well put together. And this is it and so we're
Speaker 3: promoting one of the speakers and we'll have a couple
Speaker 3: of other people later in the month. But this is
Speaker 3: what we're all about. It's the spring. Consciousness is rising.
Speaker 3: It's renewal, refresh, get outside, breathe the fresh air, exercise,
Speaker 3: eat well, take your vitamins, and be a unique human being,
Speaker 3: you know, thrive, thrive in these difficult times. So that's
Speaker 3: the program to they we'll talk a little bit in
Speaker 3: a minute about our guests, but events are challenging. When
Speaker 3: you do a conference seminar and you invite people, it
Speaker 3: is extremely expensive. And i'll tell you the Cosmic Summit.
Speaker 3: They did it two years in a row, and bless
Speaker 3: his heart, George Howard pulled it out of his own
Speaker 3: pocket to do it. And now he's looking for sponsors
Speaker 3: and I don't know how he's doing. We haven't heard
Speaker 3: anything from him, and so that's one of the big
Speaker 3: shows that it's questionable. Now. We've also been a sponsor
Speaker 3: of Contacting the Desert, which is held in the Palm
Speaker 3: Desert of California, and they just announced their speaker laneup
Speaker 3: so it looks pretty good. So I don't know if
Speaker 3: they're doing streaming and this is the new deal is
Speaker 3: that when you add streaming media, you give and many
Speaker 3: of you you know you can't get to these places,
Speaker 3: but when you add a streaming media component, you give
Speaker 3: everyone a chance to be a part of these conferences.
Speaker 3: And that's why, for the most part, we encourage streaming
Speaker 3: access to conferences. And it's tough, it's expensive to do so. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: because it's been recently handed off, I don't think New
Speaker 3: Living Expo has that, but you can probably buy access
Speaker 3: to content streaming of some kind, which is after the fact,
Speaker 3: so and I'll mention that later once we get more information.
Speaker 3: We have Neil Garr who is the new producer owner
Speaker 3: on the program. I'm hoping to have him on the
Speaker 3: program either next week or just before the end of
Speaker 3: the month. The dates for this expo are Friday, Saturday
Speaker 3: and Sunday, April seventeenth, eighteenth to nineteenth. Again. It's going
Speaker 3: to be in the It's in Sarah Fell at the
Speaker 3: Fairgrounds and go to the website Newlivingexpo dot com. Really
Speaker 3: very very eclectic bunch of people. I'll be there doing
Speaker 3: a talk on my pyramids. I'm also moderating a panel
Speaker 3: on ancient civilizations specifically, what are the signatures of ancient
Speaker 3: unknown civilizations. In the group that I'll be overseen is
Speaker 3: Billy Carson, brad Olsen and a few other people that
Speaker 3: I haven't heard of before, but I'm beginning to read
Speaker 3: their material. So that should be fun and so check
Speaker 3: it out, and I think you're gonna have a great
Speaker 3: time when you attend. And if you're there on Friday
Speaker 3: or Saturday April seventeenth or eighteenth, I'll be hanging around there.
Speaker 3: I don't know where I'll be, but probably handing out
Speaker 3: flyers for Earth ancients. So always fun. So again, today's
Speaker 3: program is in sponsorship in support of New Living Expo Sunday,
Speaker 3: April seventeen, eighteenth to nineteenth in Sanrafel, California. Our guest
Speaker 3: today is Mark Cole and he is going to present
Speaker 3: some interesting material on mushrooms, psychedelic mushrooms and their use
Speaker 3: following years of discovery and experimentation. And it's kind of
Speaker 3: a revealing because we get a sense of who he
Speaker 3: is personally, what decisions he made that led to the
Speaker 3: commercial use and yes he does sell commercially available mushrooms,
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Speaker 3: We have a good one coming up in April. It's
Speaker 3: the New Living Expo. It's going to be held in
Speaker 3: the San Francisco Bay area. It's in Sara pel specifically,
Speaker 3: it is Friday, Saturday and Sunday April seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth,
Speaker 3: and you should check it out. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: good material there. It's I think there's probably about a
Speaker 3: hundred speakers, if not more. And one of the better
Speaker 3: speakers that I discovered is a guy named Mark Cole
Speaker 3: who has an interesting story and some products to follow
Speaker 3: up on his own journey. And we have Mark with
Speaker 3: us here today to talk a little bit about not
Speaker 3: only his personal experience but also what has come out
Speaker 3: of it, which is some interesting products. So Mark, welcome
Speaker 3: to Destiny. Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me talk.
Speaker 3: About your career. You were a cinematographer for thirty years.
Speaker 3: Of course you're living down at La talk about that.
Speaker 3: Was that documentaries or was that more commercial? What kind
Speaker 3: of work were you doing?
Speaker 2: I mean, I did all of it. I was out
Speaker 2: of Florida, mostly Jacksonville. I started, and then I started
Speaker 2: to kind of really work in the Southeast, and then
Speaker 2: I started working all over the country. The TV show
Speaker 2: America's Most Wanted kept coming to Jacksonville, this True Story,
Speaker 2: and they kept rending my equipment because they shot on
Speaker 2: film and I was the only film shooter around and
Speaker 2: because of the crime, you know, so they kept coming
Speaker 2: and then eventually they hired me. And back in the day,
Speaker 2: they were pulling mining really talented directors a lot of
Speaker 2: like sun Dance and stuff when the festivals were kind
Speaker 2: of starting in a big deal in the nineties, and
Speaker 2: they finally just kind of looped me in with my camera.
Speaker 2: And then I started connecting with all these different directors
Speaker 2: all over the place and started coming to LA and
Speaker 2: started shooting shows. And then, you know, I've done probably
Speaker 2: thirty five hundred commercials. I dominated, I didn't do it,
Speaker 2: but I was. I was a pretty pretty big force
Speaker 2: in the Southeast for a long time. I had a
Speaker 2: production company, Cold Pictures, and then I had a rental
Speaker 2: house and you know, pretty much anything that came through
Speaker 2: that area. I was involved in, you know, movies of
Speaker 2: the week, you know, like I said, episodic stuff. I
Speaker 2: shot us Aaron Spelling series. Uh back in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did some work with Coppola, lots of stuff. You know.
Speaker 3: So I was used to a cinematographer. Did you go
Speaker 3: to school to learn how to work with different lenses
Speaker 3: and all the camera technologies and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: No, No, I learned, and I learned by showing up
Speaker 2: and uh I started. I eventually started teaching cinematography and directing.
Speaker 2: I'm in the DGA and also the local six hundred
Speaker 2: Cinematography Union, so which takes a lot of work to
Speaker 2: get into those. But now I was self taught, taught
Speaker 2: on set. That's the best. That's the best teacher. When
Speaker 2: I when I I would hire people out of film
Speaker 2: school and I'd have to unwind all that stuff. It's
Speaker 2: very different. Boots on the ground is really the way
Speaker 2: to learn most anything. Yeah. So but you know that
Speaker 2: led into you know, I had I was pretty successful,
Speaker 2: and I had, you know, under the capitalistic umbrella. I
Speaker 2: had made it. You know, I was making money and
Speaker 2: I owned all these companies, and I had a bunch
Speaker 2: of rental properties, and I had a house on the ocean,
Speaker 2: and I had boat, and you know, I was living
Speaker 2: the dream, except everybody wanted a lot of people wanted
Speaker 2: to be me, but me, and I started realizing it
Speaker 2: was a trap. I had been, you know. But you know,
Speaker 2: I think Jim Carrey talks a little bit about this.
Speaker 2: You know, that was nowhere close to him. But the
Speaker 2: point is when you kind of make it, or you
Speaker 2: think you have, and you realize, wait, I have, you know,
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of thirty year mortgages, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm trapped. And I thought I thought this was I
Speaker 2: thought this was happiness, and you know it's it's a trap.
Speaker 2: It's a lie. There is no such there's no golden egg.
Speaker 2: You know that we spend our whole life chasing you know,
Speaker 2: if only this and only that. So in that also,
Speaker 2: you know, it was a very high stress business, very creative,
Speaker 2: and you know, addiction is common, but the creative mind,
Speaker 2: you know, so I fell into alcoholism. But you know,
Speaker 2: quite frankly, before before I was a filmmaker, I was
Speaker 2: also a guitar player in a band. And I really
Speaker 2: couldn't play my guitar in front of anybody unless I
Speaker 2: had a couple of beers in me. So I used
Speaker 2: I used alcohol quite I guess wisely, or it was
Speaker 2: to my benefit. It helped me get into at low doses,
Speaker 2: into a meditative state, so I could release fear because
Speaker 2: I was just you know, after years and years of work,
Speaker 2: I found out I was just a scared little boy, really,
Speaker 2: and the alcohol served its purpose. And but then it,
Speaker 2: as they say in the program, it was fun. It
Speaker 2: was fun with problems, and then it was just problems.
Speaker 2: And so I realized I had it. Had I went
Speaker 2: from wanting to drink to having to drink because I
Speaker 2: would wake up shaky, and I was more of a
Speaker 2: binge drinker at the end, and you know, I would
Speaker 2: pick up a drink. I would stop drinking for a while,
Speaker 2: but then every now and then, I you know, trying
Speaker 2: to control it because everybody's telling me, you have a
Speaker 2: drinking problem. Right, So I cut out, cut out the drinking.
Speaker 2: But I did it was more than that, because when
Speaker 2: I would stop drinking, was battling the alcohol, right, it was.
Speaker 2: It was always thinking about it, and it was a
Speaker 2: real chore to stop but I found myself, you know,
Speaker 2: shakey and really irritable, and if I had one or
Speaker 2: two drinks, I was fine immediately, Like was.
Speaker 3: It was the job stressful? Is this why the alcohol
Speaker 3: came in?
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 3: You come under a lot of stress, so that that alcohol.
Speaker 3: I don't know, did you drink during the middle of
Speaker 3: the day or at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I didn't drink at all when I
Speaker 2: worked until you know, I'd had to to stop shaking
Speaker 2: because I would shake someone, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And and also, like I said, it's wild. You know,
Speaker 2: you go on a binge and you wake up next
Speaker 2: morning with your head you know off, It's just your
Speaker 2: head fell off and you can't even think, and you,
Speaker 2: you know, drink a bloody marry and you're like normal.
Speaker 2: So people that people like they don't understand that people
Speaker 2: that continue to drink or use drugs generally or not
Speaker 2: trying to get high anymore. They're just trying to be
Speaker 2: normal because the detox from these chemicals is very severe,
Speaker 2: very severe. And I went in and out of detox
Speaker 2: many times, and I tried to detox on my own
Speaker 2: many times, and it's it's almost impossible it's very it's
Speaker 2: it's extremely difficult.
Speaker 3: Well, drink of choice. Were you into the spirits or
Speaker 3: would you have a couple of beers and that would
Speaker 3: be enough for you?
Speaker 2: No, that wasn't really a beer drinker. I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: your liver doesn't know the difference. It doesn't go Hey,
Speaker 2: was that vodka or was that you know? You know,
Speaker 2: and that's a weird thing. We justify, Oh I only
Speaker 2: drink you know, beer, or I only drink wine or
Speaker 2: you know, delivered on now. So at the end you
Speaker 2: go for efficiency. So I was drinking vodka, right instead
Speaker 2: of all the sugar. I didn't want all the sugar, right,
Speaker 2: so I just swig vodka, you know. And it's crazy,
Speaker 2: but I found myself. I went in you know, I
Speaker 2: knew I had a problem because, like I said, I
Speaker 2: went from wanting to drink to having to drink. And
Speaker 2: I knew I had a problem. And I'm a problem solver.
Speaker 2: So I was trying to solve the problem. And I
Speaker 2: went down all the conventional roads that everybody told me.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody's like, you're an alcoholic, Yeah, you're an alcoholic.
Speaker 2: You're an alcoholic, so you know, of course I go
Speaker 2: into AA, and then I had to go into a
Speaker 2: couple of rehabs. I went into five rehabs actually, and
Speaker 2: that's really humiliating. But I just couldn't stop.
Speaker 3: So when you say rehabs, are these like you're there
Speaker 3: for a week or you theretl month?
Speaker 2: I solid month, YEP, I did five of them. Not fun,
Speaker 2: this is like, well, I went, yeah. I mean they're
Speaker 2: all kind of the same, and they're all based. Most
Speaker 2: of them are based in the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous,
Speaker 2: so they just take forty grand out of your pocket
Speaker 2: and take you to AA meetings basically, you know. But
Speaker 2: they stopped. But it stopped the guess I couldn't stop,
Speaker 2: so it would it stopped the madness for a month
Speaker 2: so I could get some clarity, you know, And but
Speaker 2: I had to detox. And anyway, you know, twelve years ago,
Speaker 2: I went on a binge and I I couldn't I
Speaker 2: couldn't stop, and I almost I started, I started dying.
Speaker 2: I was laying in bed.
Speaker 3: I have no.
Speaker 2: Idea what day or night or it was. And I
Speaker 2: went into like a paralysis where I couldn't move and
Speaker 2: I started hallucinating and I started I couldn't I started
Speaker 2: hearing things and I had read that that's kind of
Speaker 2: like some of the last little signals of the whole thing, right,
Speaker 2: And I was okay with like dying. I could feel
Speaker 2: the consciousness like leaving me. And I was like because
Speaker 2: I had I was out of money, I was out
Speaker 2: of like energy. I was just completely beat to death.
Speaker 2: I had ended up in I always had an apartment
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and I had this little, tiny, three
Speaker 2: hundred square foot studio apartment in Venice Beach. I mean
Speaker 2: I had a five bedroom house in the ocean, you know.
Speaker 2: And anyway, ended up in this room by myself for
Speaker 2: four and a half years, and it was not pretty.
Speaker 2: And but anyway, I obviously I didn't die, and I
Speaker 2: somehow found my phone. I called a friend and I said,
Speaker 2: I couldn't even like see my phone, it was so blurry,
Speaker 2: and I said, will you find a rehab and take me?
Speaker 2: And it was the last place I wanted to go,
Speaker 2: but I mean I was it was it was like
Speaker 2: the water was here, you know. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: was drowning, so I had to swim or die. It
Speaker 2: was literally a fork in the road. So she took
Speaker 2: me in and they wouldn't take me. I was into
Speaker 2: bad of shape, so they took me to detox and
Speaker 2: I spent my birthday in the hospital detoxing twelve years ago.
Speaker 2: Nobody called, my kids, didn't call nothing. I was by
Speaker 2: myself and really sad stuff. And anyway, I went in
Speaker 2: and this time it was in Malibu. And this time
Speaker 2: I stayed in Los Angeles where you know, you don't
Speaker 2: know which you don't know. And I didn't realize the
Speaker 2: spirituality of Los Angeles was what I was really drawn to.
Speaker 2: I thought it was the movie business, but it was
Speaker 2: the elevated consciousness here. And this time, when I got
Speaker 2: out of rehab, I found a really great sponsor. He
Speaker 2: was really tough on me, but that's what I needed.
Speaker 2: He did, you know, and really tough. I did all
Speaker 2: the steps and he turned me on to Kunolini yoga.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just gonna say, this is sounding, this
Speaker 3: is when you began looking at wisdom traditions and true
Speaker 3: talk about that. Talk about your discovery of wisdom traditions
Speaker 3: and sound healing and some of the practices that you undertook.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he he he said, hey, we got to
Speaker 2: check out. He went to a class that goes, we
Speaker 2: I got to take you to this thing. It's called
Speaker 2: Counlina yoga. He goes, it's the best whatever, and I
Speaker 2: said okay, and I went with him. And it was
Speaker 2: the most bizarre thing for me. I'd grown up in
Speaker 2: Chicago as a Lutheran and everybody's wearing white and chanting
Speaker 2: and dancing. I was like, what, no, but I remember,
Speaker 2: but I remember. The teachings were so advanced, the like
Speaker 2: the talks that would give were so they just resonated
Speaker 2: with me. They were so intelligent. They based in ancient science.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Kunulina yoga is actually six it
Speaker 2: shouldn't even be called yoga. It's a technology. And it
Speaker 2: goes back six thousand years too, you know, I guess Egypt.
Speaker 2: And I went through you know, Buddhism and seek and
Speaker 2: and it was hidden up until nineteen sixty eight, and
Speaker 2: then it was revealed by Yogi Bojon his version of
Speaker 2: it anyway in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: And did you learn to meditate when.
Speaker 2: You oh yeah, yeah, yeah, advanced meditation, advance breath work.
Speaker 2: I eventually I started going twice a day and eventually
Speaker 2: took my teaching, you know, instruction. I went to Tibet.
Speaker 2: But I people are like, why do you do that
Speaker 2: crazy stuff? And I was like, here's what I know.
Speaker 2: I always came out feeling better than when I went in.
Speaker 2: So anything that did that, I would do because I'm
Speaker 2: just looking at not dying.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And I'd done I had done all the psychology things,
Speaker 2: I'd done, the rehabs, I'd done, the therapy, i had done,
Speaker 2: all the medicines, all the antidepressants. I'd spent all this
Speaker 2: money on advanced Western stuff to stop drinking.
Speaker 3: None of them worked. Pathic techniques didn't work for you.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we can get into that in a minute.
Speaker 2: But and then along this path, I was just giving
Speaker 2: back to the community. And I had one camera left,
Speaker 2: and I used to own millions of dollars worth of gear, right,
Speaker 2: I had this one little camera and I was trying
Speaker 2: to film my day because I had nothing nothing it was,
Speaker 2: there was no film work. I'm just sitting in this
Speaker 2: apartment by myself, in my head, trying to not go nuts,
Speaker 2: you know, dealing with the you know the madness you
Speaker 2: know that goes on in our heads thoughts and stuff.
Speaker 2: So that's why I was going to Conwini all the time.
Speaker 2: And then but anyway, I was shooting a thing for
Speaker 2: a christ somebody asked me to shoot their Christmas play.
Speaker 2: So here I am shooting this this woman that was
Speaker 2: giving back to battered girls, and she, you know, had
Speaker 2: this organization, this thing and anyway I want. She asked
Speaker 2: me to shoot the thing and I said cool, and
Speaker 2: I just I had to make a documentary out of it.
Speaker 2: So I started interviewing the women helping and of course
Speaker 2: they were battered and they were giving back, and one
Speaker 2: of them was telling me their story and they started
Speaker 2: talking about ayahuasca and I was like, wait, what's that.
Speaker 2: I've heard of it.
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 2: And she goes, well, there's a ceremony Saturday night. I
Speaker 2: can get you in and if you want. So I
Speaker 2: was like sure. So I call my sponsor. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to explain it to him. He's like, no, you are
Speaker 2: not doing that. You're no no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: And I went okay, And I can't remember if I
Speaker 2: said I'm doing it told them I don't think I did.
Speaker 2: I just went and there was no intake, there was
Speaker 2: no shaman, there was no nothing. Just show up in
Speaker 2: a sleeping bag on Lincoln Boulevard. This yoga studio on
Speaker 2: a concrete floor. But anyway, I again, I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm willing to do anything. I almost died, right, So
Speaker 2: I drink I drink this medicine and it just completely
Speaker 2: I mean completely took my head off and just shattered
Speaker 2: everything I thought was real. And it was the most
Speaker 2: joy it ever felt in my life.
Speaker 3: You know, to talk a little bit about your experience, Mark,
Speaker 3: because ayahuasca is very unique, very individual, and I've had
Speaker 3: a lot of people on the program describe their own journey.
Speaker 3: But can you do you remember what happened, what you
Speaker 3: experienced did, Like some people have animals talking to them
Speaker 3: and birds and stuff like that. But what was your experience?
Speaker 2: Well, this was my first one, and like I said,
Speaker 2: it just completely shattered all the illusions of who I
Speaker 2: thought I was. Yeah, showed me how how the universe
Speaker 2: really works. Like my first experience, I saw the mechanism
Speaker 2: that runs everything and Terrence kind of calls it machine elves.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, saw it. I saw the machine els
Speaker 2: in my own you know whatever. But I started seeing
Speaker 2: how you know, the plants communicate, of course they do.
Speaker 2: Everything is together in the consciousness, the unified field of
Speaker 2: consciousness that were all one and I just was astounded.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe it. And you know, I said
Speaker 2: to the shaman in the morning, I said, how can
Speaker 2: this be legal? Like what you know, if everybody did this,
Speaker 2: there would be no wars or misunderstandings. And he looked
Speaker 2: at me like I was an idiot, and he goes,
Speaker 2: because happy people don't buy anything. And I was like,
Speaker 2: and you talked to a guy who made thousands of commercials.
Speaker 2: You know, I was mad. I was in the commercials.
Speaker 2: I was making people unhappy so they would buy stuff, right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I just went, I don't I just went, okay,
Speaker 2: I doubled down on that. So I doubled down on
Speaker 2: coolawaana yoga, and I doubled down. I doubled down on
Speaker 2: ayahuasca and it was super super underground then.
Speaker 3: And twelve years ago you did well years ago? Yeah, wow,
Speaker 3: you are an early innovator.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah. And so I just, you know, I
Speaker 2: was living minute by minute, not day by day, you know,
Speaker 2: just trying not to slide back into, you know, my
Speaker 2: old way. So I was, I was trying to find
Speaker 2: new friends, new people, and I was when I started
Speaker 2: going into yoga. There was you know, these people are
Speaker 2: different vibration. And when I was going into ayahuasca, I
Speaker 2: met some really intelligent people and then they had a
Speaker 2: ceremony and they had a ceremony. So I ended up
Speaker 2: doing like twenty six ceremonies, Wow, just all over the
Speaker 2: place because I was just in anything. I would do anything,
Speaker 2: because I mean what, I had nothing to lose nothing,
Speaker 2: So I mean I did the.
Speaker 3: Ayahuasca begin shaping the new you in terms of freedom
Speaker 3: of mind more. You know, you felt better obviously after
Speaker 3: you had an ayahuasca journey, But was this the beginning
Speaker 3: of looking at the world in a different phase or
Speaker 3: a different place? It was.
Speaker 2: It was the removal of everything, like we're we don't
Speaker 2: understand how programmed we are, like insane, right, So this
Speaker 2: is it's called awareness, right, I was, And I have
Speaker 2: to look back and call these things because in the
Speaker 2: moment I didn't know what was happening. I just knew
Speaker 2: I was feeling better. But I was becoming aware, right
Speaker 2: And at the same time as so, what I was
Speaker 2: doing again, I was unconscious of it. I was shattering
Speaker 2: the neural pathways physically in the brain right of the
Speaker 2: patterning of everything, right, And I was becoming aware. I
Speaker 2: was learning to see and feel how things really work.
Speaker 2: And there was a real beauty in that. Some there's
Speaker 2: also some you know, sadness in it, because you start
Speaker 2: to see how how we're we're creating our own misery.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But then at the same time, when I was doing
Speaker 2: the yoga technology, the Kundalini, there was all about the mind.
Speaker 2: That's what it really is about the nervous system the mind.
Speaker 2: It's very very high tech stuff, you know, cleansing the
Speaker 2: gray matter of the brain and mostly the nervous system,
Speaker 2: which is the subconscious mind. So I was breaking the
Speaker 2: patterning in the subconscious, which is where you know, your
Speaker 2: identity is, where everything is. It's this massive, powerful thing
Speaker 2: that runs us that we're totally unaware of.
Speaker 3: But I was.
Speaker 2: I was shattering that illusion physically. I was shattering the
Speaker 2: neural pathways of the brain and reprogramming them. And again
Speaker 2: I didn't know I was doing any of this, but
Speaker 2: I just I just kept going. I just never got
Speaker 2: out of the saddle. And then somehow I got out
Speaker 2: of this one room and got a place in Tipanga.
Speaker 2: Had no idea what topeg Againyon was I was. You know,
Speaker 2: I knew if I stayed in that one room. I
Speaker 2: was there for three years after I got after I
Speaker 2: stopped drinking, got sober, whatever that means, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I had to get out of that room where I
Speaker 2: felt like I was going to go crazy because I
Speaker 2: was right on the beach in Venice Beach, and if
Speaker 2: you've ever been to Venice Beach, quite mayhem. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: I started I needed investment looking. I needed investment property
Speaker 2: or income producing property. So I had dumped my place
Speaker 2: in I couldn't make the house payment in Florida. I
Speaker 2: had rented my house and it was falling apart and
Speaker 2: I couldn't make the rent, so I dumped it at
Speaker 2: a fire sale, lost six hundred grand or whatever. But
Speaker 2: I got a fake loan. I had a little bit
Speaker 2: of cash, and I just started looking around, and coincidentally
Speaker 2: I went to the jungle. Somebody hired me to go
Speaker 2: shoot the making of ayahuasca. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: So I go to the Hawaiian jungle and I'm there
Speaker 2: with a few people and we're deep in it. Man.
Speaker 2: We're just making the medicine and drinking the medicine. And
Speaker 2: every night the shaman made us go deep in the
Speaker 2: jungle and it was crazy. But one of the guys
Speaker 2: there was a realtor in Los Angeles, just coincidentally, and
Speaker 2: I tell him my predicament. He goes, I'll help you.
Speaker 2: So we get back to LA and we start looking
Speaker 2: around Venice because that's where my lifeline is, that's where
Speaker 2: my AA is, that's where my yoga is. Ayahuasca. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm making offers on places, by the I don't
Speaker 2: have a job, by the way, so I'm just doing it.
Speaker 3: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 3: with my guest today, Mark Cole, discussing psychedelics and healing.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back. My guess today is Mark Cole.
Speaker 3: He is part of the New Living Expo which will
Speaker 3: be held in San Rafael, California, April seventeenth, eighteenth, and
Speaker 3: nineteenth of this year, and he's speaking on psychedelics and
Speaker 3: it also covers biohacking or improved mental, physical, and spiritual awareness.
Speaker 3: Because I was going to ask you how you were
Speaker 3: making it ends.
Speaker 2: Me Yeah, no, no, so I anyway, he said one
Speaker 2: day he goes, well, what about Topanga. I was like, Topanga,
Speaker 2: where's that? He's like, you know, we did a hike
Speaker 2: up there one time, and I was like, no way, man,
Speaker 2: you're kidding, You're crazy, Like I'll be isolated. That's exactly
Speaker 2: what I did. You know, you can't do that to
Speaker 2: an alcoholic. You know, I'll be drinking in a day.
Speaker 2: I ride my bike anywhere, don't know. Anybody can't go
Speaker 2: to my meetings, can't. He goes, we'll go look at it.
Speaker 2: I was like, So I drive up the Tapanga from
Speaker 2: Venice and I'm going the long way and I'm like
Speaker 2: taking forever. I'm like, where the hell am I going? Anyway,
Speaker 2: I get here and I look at it. I'm going,
Speaker 2: are you insane? Like how the hell would you maintain this?
Speaker 2: And you don't know anybody? Right, So, anyway, I walk
Speaker 2: in the front door and it just hit me, like
Speaker 2: it's just this massive feeling of belonging, like something like
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be here. And it made zero sense,
Speaker 2: I mean zero sense, you know. So I walk out
Speaker 2: on the driveway and I go, hey, man, I don't
Speaker 2: know what to tell you, but I'm supposed to be here,
Speaker 2: you know, Can you afford it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Can you? Can you maintain it? Hell no, it's like
Speaker 2: two weeks of land. I don't have a job, I
Speaker 2: don't know anybody. I'm isolated. It's like I just looked
Speaker 2: at him and I go, I don't know. I'm It's
Speaker 2: the first time in my life I was listening instead
Speaker 2: of thinking yeah, and I bought it. And that was
Speaker 2: nine years ago.
Speaker 3: So it's a small house in Topanga.
Speaker 2: No, it's not that small, and it's two acres of land,
Speaker 2: and now we have the whole operation here. It's a
Speaker 2: whole hell yeah. So this had not much to do
Speaker 2: with me, had to do with what we're doing for others.
Speaker 2: And it turns out, you know, obviously I didn't know
Speaker 2: any of this. Topang is like the most healing land
Speaker 2: in the country. It's like it's well known for its
Speaker 2: healing properties, ancient Indian land, and it just you show
Speaker 2: up here, you start feeling better. So nine years ago,
Speaker 2: sound baths were just coming out and breath work classes
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. So I had the place to
Speaker 2: do it. So all of a sudden, all these people
Speaker 2: are coming over. I oh, I rented a room to
Speaker 2: somebody who knew people and uh, we just started bringing
Speaker 2: people in and we were and then we started doing
Speaker 2: ayahuasca so monies here and then and then, so this
Speaker 2: became a place of healing and I was the observer
Speaker 2: of it. So I ended up I started growing mushrooms
Speaker 2: because people wanted them for I needed to pivot with purpose.
Speaker 2: The film business wasn't happening for me. I had kind
Speaker 2: of ruined my career, and so people were pivoting into
Speaker 2: doing mushroom ceremonies instead of.
Speaker 3: I'm going to stop you for a minute. Mark, So
Speaker 3: you your career was not good because you weren't able
Speaker 3: to follow through on commitments or your work was failing.
Speaker 3: What was happening with your career?
Speaker 2: Well, I kind of ruined my reputation for a while
Speaker 2: from drinking.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, I hear you.
Speaker 2: So you were, oh, in reputations everything, and that haunted me,
Speaker 2: you know, because I had this impeccable reputation for thirty
Speaker 2: years and then, you know, drinking. I showed up on
Speaker 2: a job not in good shape and word get out
Speaker 2: in like fifteen minutes. Man, It's crazy how fast your
Speaker 2: life can go under. Yeah, with just one you do
Speaker 2: ten thousand things, right, you do one thing wrong, but
Speaker 2: it needed to happen. It was a humbling experience. So
Speaker 2: I had pivoted. So I pivoted into growing mushrooms. And
Speaker 2: so when did you get into mushrooms?
Speaker 3: Was it? Were you doing piute visions or were you
Speaker 3: what sparked that? Because ayahuasca obviously is a combination of
Speaker 3: bark and other plant medicines, but I mean mushrooms are
Speaker 3: pretty direct. How did that happen?
Speaker 2: Well, we started doing mushrooms here and there and going
Speaker 2: on hikes, and I really it just helped me, you know,
Speaker 2: so much. And marijuana was taking off in Tapeng at
Speaker 2: that time, nine years ago, and everybody was doing that.
Speaker 2: So I did that for a minute, but that's not
Speaker 2: my thing. So I pivoted into mushrooms because people were
Speaker 2: needing them, and it gave me a purpose and I
Speaker 2: met somebody who could teach us how to grow. And
Speaker 2: it was super, super super underground back then, like nobody
Speaker 2: was doing it, nobody was even thinking about it. And
Speaker 2: it was in pressure cookers and you know, home depot
Speaker 2: containers under my deck, Mason Jars. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: as redneck as you can imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell us about tell us about the mushrooms that
Speaker 3: you were growing, specific mushrooms and the psychedelic effect of
Speaker 3: the mushrooms you were consuming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we we were growing a lot of Golden
Speaker 2: Teachers and albinos and those. I mean, you know they're psychedelic, right,
Speaker 2: So yeah, we were they're a little I mean, Ayahuasca
Speaker 2: is a two part process. It's a it's a vine
Speaker 2: which is an MAO inhibitor actually has no psycho psychedelic effects,
Speaker 2: mixed with the chikuna leaf of a tree. And when
Speaker 2: mixed which has the d MT, and when mixed in
Speaker 2: a certain way and cooked a certain way, the MAO
Speaker 2: inhibitor of the vine coats the stomach so that the
Speaker 2: d MT can get in and take effect. So that's
Speaker 2: d MT.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Obviously mushrooms operate on psilocybin, which is a different molecule,
Speaker 2: but it has very similar effect and it's a little
Speaker 2: safer in my opinion. And but you know, so I
Speaker 2: think that's also why people were pivoting into it. So
Speaker 2: when we were growing, we were growing for the original
Speaker 2: facilitators of these practices, you know, in tapanga. And so
Speaker 2: that was my business model. It still is. We have
Speaker 2: a whole division of our operation for that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean the psychedelic journeys are are amazing, you know.
Speaker 2: They they show you truth in psychedelic in ayahuasca and mushrooms.
Speaker 2: But there's a there's main things that come up in
Speaker 2: the deep dive. So let me back up. So let's
Speaker 2: talk about dosing. So there's on the one end, there's
Speaker 2: the microdome, which is a minimal dose, right, it's just
Speaker 2: as it says. And on the other end there's the
Speaker 2: macro dose, which is designed to dissolve completely the ego,
Speaker 2: the sense of self. And then the middle I call
Speaker 2: it the fund zone, is the social dose where you
Speaker 2: feel it but you're not journeying, right, Okay, So on
Speaker 2: the microdose, it's I tell people, it's not what you feel,
Speaker 2: it's what you don't feel. So Buddhism says we create
Speaker 2: our own misery. Science says eighty to ninety seven percent
Speaker 2: of your worries and anxieties will never happen, so they're
Speaker 2: a complete illusion. So I make the analogy that these
Speaker 2: worries are and anxieties like windows open on the desktop
Speaker 2: of your mind. They're all running, they're all taking up space,
Speaker 2: they're draining the battery, the clogging your head. You can't connect,
Speaker 2: you can't be present. You're chasing shadows of stuff that's
Speaker 2: never going to happen. And then your body is the
Speaker 2: objective observer of the mind is releasing the appropriate chemicals.
Speaker 2: It thinks it's been in harms way, so it's releasing cortisol,
Speaker 2: it's releasing adrenaline, et cetera. You have high blood pressure,
Speaker 2: all based in an illusion, right, So microdosing, which is
Speaker 2: one is abround one hundred and eighty milligrams, which is
Speaker 2: what ours are, starts shutting these windows down, so it
Speaker 2: works subtractively. It's removing your bullshit, it's removing your illusions.
Speaker 2: And by doing that, I'm a camera guy, so I'll
Speaker 2: make the analogy of a lens. We start to zoom
Speaker 2: back into the peripheral, the wide lens, and to start
Speaker 2: to see life as a little kid. All of spirituality
Speaker 2: is basically becoming a child again. Is unlearning and unpacking
Speaker 2: all this programming And how are you concerning?
Speaker 3: How are you assuming the marstroom? Are you creating caps think? Sure?
Speaker 3: Are you chewing them?
Speaker 2: So the microdoses are pre made vegan capsules. Ours are
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty milligrams. It took a while, but
Speaker 2: this is we found is the sweet spot for most people.
Speaker 2: Everybody's different, right, and we're and every mushroom is different.
Speaker 2: But I but we insist, I insist on using the
Speaker 2: complete fruiting body of the mushroom because we don't really
Speaker 2: know what's in it. Right, because you can, if you
Speaker 2: can crush the entire mushroom. Yes, preer preer medicine. Right,
Speaker 2: we grind them, right, but they're fresh, they're freshly harvested.
Speaker 2: We dehydrate them and then we uh, you know, we
Speaker 2: grind them. We have a company that does it for us,
Speaker 2: so it's super accurate. So that's so everything's working on
Speaker 2: the ego that that worrying and anxiety is part of
Speaker 2: the ego. It's created by us. It's an illusion and
Speaker 2: it becomes a habit. Okay, right, so you know Buddhism again,
Speaker 2: you know, watch your thoughts. Thoughts become habits. Habits become
Speaker 2: your destiny, meaning your identity. So I know that, well,
Speaker 2: I woke up. I used to wake up and panic
Speaker 2: all the time when everything was fine, because now now
Speaker 2: it's part of me. Now my identity is that of
Speaker 2: a worry person with a panic and it's all this
Speaker 2: is the craziest part, Cliff. All of it is an illusion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and this is what and this is what psychedelics show you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're making this ship up.
Speaker 3: What I what I like about your story is that
Speaker 3: you've evolved the whole thing into what you consider biohacking.
Speaker 3: And I want you to take a few minutes to
Speaker 3: talk about biohacking because for me, uh, and I'm a
Speaker 3: California guy born and raised, so I kind of follow
Speaker 3: your truths that you've discovered. Uh, it's about regeneration, it's
Speaker 3: about being the best that you can be. And in
Speaker 3: your case, the biohacking is clarity, is what it seems like.
Speaker 3: But when you say biohacking, what is your idea behind
Speaker 3: the mushrooms? Uh? Take them with intention of some kind
Speaker 3: to have a result, to have an answer. Talk about
Speaker 3: the biohacking aspect that you're thinking about.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you bring that up because we just
Speaker 2: recently got into the biohacking world. We were asked to
Speaker 2: and you know, everybody in the biohacking conferences and stuff,
Speaker 2: they have all these machines and they have peptides and
Speaker 2: stem cells and which is fantastic. But so one of
Speaker 2: the guys running the biohacking event I was a keynote speaker,
Speaker 2: and he goes, can you talk about this if biohacking
Speaker 2: applies to mushrooms? And I was like, you have to
Speaker 2: be kidding me. Bio we are the ultimate biohack because
Speaker 2: we biohacked consciousness. Yeah, biohacking the mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So here we go. So everything, and I mean
Speaker 2: everything comes from mind right. The law, the first law
Speaker 2: of Hermetic principles is everything is mental. Everything is mind right.
Speaker 2: We perceive what we perceive, so shall we be right?
Speaker 2: So our perception is created by our mind, which drives
Speaker 2: the body. So it In my case, I was not
Speaker 2: addicted to alcohol. My identity was that of an alcoholic,
Speaker 2: right because I was told I was an alcoholic and
Speaker 2: with the AA you're an alcoholic, right, So I was
Speaker 2: fulfilling my identity that of an alcoholic and what does
Speaker 2: an alcoholic do? And alcoholic drinks? So until I changed
Speaker 2: my identity through psychedelics and create and found my purpose,
Speaker 2: which is the main thing in life. If you don't
Speaker 2: know why you're here, you will always struggle. You will
Speaker 2: always reach outside of yourself for something because you're lost
Speaker 2: without identity, without purpose, We're boat floating in the ocean,
Speaker 2: going nowhere with no sale were existing, and this is
Speaker 2: what this is what the Lydites want us to do.
Speaker 2: They don't want us to have a purpose because with
Speaker 2: purpose comes meaning, and it comes we don't need anything, right,
Speaker 2: So my purpose was I found out through psychoedelm Well.
Speaker 2: I believe in the archetypes of a tribe. You know,
Speaker 2: you have the tent maker, you have the hunter, you
Speaker 2: have the doctor, you have the cook, you have whatever.
Speaker 2: Together we survive. So through that I found that the
Speaker 2: reason I'm here, the reason I get out of bed
Speaker 2: in the morning, is because I'm a teacher. Deep down,
Speaker 2: I'm here to guide and I think our purpose can
Speaker 2: shift through life. But I think this is why to
Speaker 2: do the psychedelic journeys is so important, because once you
Speaker 2: find out why you're here, as the Buddhists say, you're
Speaker 2: the stick floating downstream. You're in flow. You're not trying
Speaker 2: to swim upstream.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Capitalist America teaches us to fight, to push, to never
Speaker 2: give up, which I believe in never giving up, to
Speaker 2: but it's this thing going up against up against your destiny,
Speaker 2: up against your true purpose here and making money is
Speaker 2: really not a purpose, right, So, but that's good for
Speaker 2: the elites. So so we bio hack the mind and
Speaker 2: in the in that process we find purpose. Like I said,
Speaker 2: we find truth, like there's no in the field of consciousness.
Speaker 2: There just is truth. You know, the beginning of the Bible.
Speaker 2: You know the word truth. Yea, the word was God.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And then we find purpose, and then we in that
Speaker 2: we release fear. Yeah, and fear runs everything. Fear runs
Speaker 2: everything where you park your car, who you talk to,
Speaker 2: what you buy to, supermarket everything, it's.
Speaker 3: Market. You're doing kind of a mental cleanse, a psychological
Speaker 3: cleanse with the mushrooms, which is a unique form of biohacking.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about your company frequency here in
Speaker 3: a second, but when you are discussing your mushrooms, uh,
Speaker 3: talk about the process of introducing mushrooms into a program.
Speaker 3: In other words, somebody who's like, I want to use
Speaker 3: these mushrooms as part of the overall mind, body spirit system.
Speaker 2: Sure, And actually I came up with a new system
Speaker 2: because the current systems, the reason they don't work is
Speaker 2: they focus on the problem. You're an alcoholic, you're obese,
Speaker 2: I'm obese, I'm obese, I'm have ADHD. You're giving power
Speaker 2: to the problem, right, that's kind of obvious, right, we
Speaker 2: want to get power to the solution.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So the program I have is we detox from thought
Speaker 2: mostly so if you're coming in for if you're looking
Speaker 2: to get into this, we detox chemically from your past chemicals,
Speaker 2: from thought, mostly your programming of ADHD, of obesity, of alcoholism, whatever.
Speaker 2: We stop that. And then the second phase is we
Speaker 2: shatter it with the psychedelics. We completely dismantle this illusionary
Speaker 2: personality or identity that you have. And then the third
Speaker 2: stage is we were build a new one and we
Speaker 2: just with new habits and stuff. So that's that's the
Speaker 2: introduction that I recommend people do. I don't recommend, I
Speaker 2: mean we do. You know, we do like guide ceremonies
Speaker 2: a lot. We do them with many facilitators, myself included.
Speaker 2: But quite honestly, a one and done thing isn't really
Speaker 2: the way to do it because you're destabilized. You have
Speaker 2: to reprogram yourself to go back out into the wild.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's a lot of things you have
Speaker 2: to do. You have to change your friends. You have
Speaker 2: to change you know, what's the saying a man cannot
Speaker 2: heal if it goes back to the same environment which
Speaker 2: made him sick, and most of that environment is here,
Speaker 2: So we have to change change this. So you know,
Speaker 2: we have lots of education I have, We have lots
Speaker 2: of videos to guide people though. I have two operations.
Speaker 2: One is the is called frequency caps, which is the
Speaker 2: mushroom products, the consumer lines in that we have lines
Speaker 2: and education for microdocing. And then we have the fund
Speaker 2: Zone social dosing. We have cacaw vegan cubes which are
Speaker 2: five hundred milligrams which you feel and then light tea
Speaker 2: bags for consumers to stay out of the mental loop
Speaker 2: they're in. It helps break the worry, It helps break
Speaker 2: the anxiety which is not yours. These they are not ours,
Speaker 2: They're from society. We're all suffering from the same thing
Speaker 2: that it's not ours.
Speaker 3: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 3: com for all the details. I think it's great that
Speaker 3: you have more than just the e mustions. You got cacao,
Speaker 3: which is kind of cool, and you had another product.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what you said, but those are all
Speaker 3: part of your offering frequencies offering, I guess, so do
Speaker 3: you manufacture them in California?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so we do that, so we're vertical. I
Speaker 2: do the genetic work myself. So big industry has gotten
Speaker 2: involved and you know, destroyed in marijuana and they're saying
Speaker 2: people run the mushroom grows now and are not and
Speaker 2: they've destroyed mushrooms. They're not sacred.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Our job is to protect the medicine as exists in
Speaker 2: nature because you know, humans we have to fix everything.
Speaker 2: We have to make the apple better, we have to
Speaker 2: make the mushroom better now. So we got it and
Speaker 2: we grow in a sound chamber, like a sound bath.
Speaker 2: That's why we call it frequency and yeah, and that
Speaker 2: actually quick story how that came about is as I
Speaker 2: was learning how to grow mushrooms. We suffer from contamination bacteria, yeah,
Speaker 2: quite a lot. Anyway, I got wiped out with that.
Speaker 2: I was quite angry. I thought I had it figured
Speaker 2: out and I didn't.
Speaker 3: And mother n your harvest got wiped Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it happened all the time. It's part of it.
Speaker 2: Like mother nature. It's very difficult, very very difficult. And
Speaker 2: I had gotten wiped out as eleven week process. It
Speaker 2: was quite upset, and I sold an ounce to a
Speaker 2: shaman and he called me a couple of days later
Speaker 2: and he said, hey, can I give you some feedback
Speaker 2: on your medicine. I was like, of course, He said,
Speaker 2: me and my client went deep on your medicine and
Speaker 2: we both independently saw you mark in our journeys.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: What I didn't even know the other. And he continued.
Speaker 2: He continued, He said, yeah, and we both felt your
Speaker 2: anger and we both felt your fear. His quote to
Speaker 2: me was, your frequency is in the medicine. So by then,
Speaker 2: parallel to that, I was already had gotten to be
Speaker 2: a Kunolina yoga instructor, so I understood sound currents, sacred geometry, fractals.
Speaker 2: So I built a sound chamber underground and they're bathed
Speaker 2: in the colonization and fruiting process in a sound bath,
Speaker 2: Sacred chance gone, you know, crystal bowls, everything, everything you
Speaker 2: can imagine. Does it make a difference to the hell yeah,
Speaker 2: oh my god, yes it does. So they it really
Speaker 2: ups the aptitude ampletely completely. And people across the world
Speaker 2: that you use our medicine say, your medicine is so different,
Speaker 2: it's so clean, it's so profound, the messages, the information
Speaker 2: I get right. So we're we're just bringing clarity and
Speaker 2: awareness to humanity when we need it most. There's no
Speaker 2: coincidence that psychedelic medicine has re emerged in humanity in
Speaker 2: the aquarium age at the exact same time artificial intelligence has.
Speaker 2: That's not a coincidence.
Speaker 3: Talk about your growth program, do you do you rent
Speaker 3: space that's underground in a cave or something, because if
Speaker 3: you're in Topanga, that's I think. You know, you're on
Speaker 3: a couple of acres. Maybe you grow a little bit there,
Speaker 3: but you must have a farm somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a we have a farm. It's not
Speaker 2: on site, but yeah, it's in nature and it has
Speaker 2: a residence of that, but on site we I developed
Speaker 2: out some of the property to help out other facilitators
Speaker 2: because we're filling like a void in the community. There's
Speaker 2: so many talented healers that are sound healers, you know,
Speaker 2: medicine people, doctors, and they need a place to do
Speaker 2: their healing. So, you know, we were always renting the
Speaker 2: house for soundbats and stuff. So I opened it up
Speaker 2: and built out another acre. We have a large lotus
Speaker 2: bell tent. We have a couple of decks, we have
Speaker 2: I put beach sand down for grounding. We have a
Speaker 2: couple of meditation gardens. We're very private so that facilitators
Speaker 2: can come and utilize our place. And we have some
Speaker 2: housing on site so people can stay for events and
Speaker 2: workshops and heal and so I'm a steward of this
Speaker 2: land and it's healing me and I share it with
Speaker 2: others so that people, you know, because people are trying
Speaker 2: to operate out of their apartment and it's not really good.
Speaker 2: So we're not that far from town and it's working
Speaker 2: out really well. It's a community too, we all, you know,
Speaker 2: we're in the query and age of collaboration, So we're
Speaker 2: all going back to tribalism where we work together to survide,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: So it's not underground farming. It's above ground, but you've
Speaker 3: covered the soil with tents or something so you get this.
Speaker 2: Oh you talking about the mushroom growth. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: that's a very specific operation. We've come up with our
Speaker 2: own systems and whatnot. But yeah, it's very sacred where
Speaker 2: we do it. But then we had the separate companies
Speaker 2: called the Frequency House, and that's what we rent out
Speaker 2: to others. So that is you know, what I was
Speaker 2: just describing is known as the Frequency House. Yeah, kind
Speaker 2: of plug and play for everybody you know we have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want you to describe your website, frequency dot
Speaker 3: com because it's kind of a work in progress. You
Speaker 3: talk about the brand, the house, which you just presented,
Speaker 3: and then later down the road you're gonna do TV work,
Speaker 3: which is like process. But when you when you launch
Speaker 3: the website, it's actually selling the mushrooms in tablet form. Correct.
Speaker 2: Well, we have it in capsule. Yeah, we have a form.
Speaker 2: We have it in tea form, we have it in
Speaker 2: the cacao. And these are very very popular items, you know,
Speaker 2: they all help. And but with that, we're educating. So,
Speaker 2: you know, we were building out programs of education. I'm
Speaker 2: doing more and more web webinars and things like that
Speaker 2: and like this to educate people because there's so many
Speaker 2: questions and we want people to be safe and we
Speaker 2: want them to utilize psychedelics in the way they're supposed to.
Speaker 2: With reverence. Yeah, we teach. We teach people that, and
Speaker 2: we're a source of information. I do quite a bit
Speaker 2: of box. I do lots of podcasts so that we
Speaker 2: can teach people and remove the fear, you know, the
Speaker 2: I encourage people to if they haven't watched the the
Speaker 2: mini series on Netflix called How to Change Mind by
Speaker 2: Michael polland he answers a lot of the questions.
Speaker 3: Right right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's excellent. It's like it's done. And why these
Speaker 2: things are illegal. They were, you know, as a propaganda
Speaker 2: by the government to because it's not just our government,
Speaker 2: because you know, the mushrooms make you very aware and
Speaker 2: they make you happy and happy people don't buy anything,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's it's you know, the original Christians.
Speaker 2: And there's a book called The Immortality Key, and he
Speaker 2: just he did lots of many years of research and
Speaker 2: concluded that every religion on Earth today, including Christianity, had
Speaker 2: some sort of sacrament ritual where they used psychoactive plants.
Speaker 2: Christianity was the original sacrament of communion. The original Christians
Speaker 2: used mushrooms in d MT and they did it up
Speaker 2: until the Catholic Church was formed, and they and then
Speaker 2: they made they took us from a psychedelic based world
Speaker 2: and made us an alcohol based world. And obviously alcohol
Speaker 2: dominates our society. Eighty percent of our prisons are full
Speaker 2: of alcohol related crimes. It's number one killer in many
Speaker 2: many countries, and it almost killed me. So it is
Speaker 2: not you know, it's not really that great. It's good
Speaker 2: for control because it makes you completely unaware, you know.
Speaker 2: But so this is why these these plant and they're everywhere,
Speaker 2: like sam pedro grows in everybody's yard in La Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the mushrooms are available pretty much. Yeah, anywhere there's
Speaker 3: there's uh water.
Speaker 2: Well, you have to yeah, you have to know what
Speaker 2: you're doing, you know how to do it. So that's
Speaker 2: what we provide is like really specific. We've done it,
Speaker 2: We've already capsulated the right amount. We have the protocols,
Speaker 2: we have the knowledge of how to do it so
Speaker 2: that there's there's consistency and you know, but we heal
Speaker 2: the mind, and when the mind is happy or the
Speaker 2: mind is good, the body follows.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah. Talk about how you introduce somebody who goes
Speaker 3: to your website who's thinking about microdocing some mushrooms as
Speaker 3: I as a beginner who doesn't know anything. Do you
Speaker 3: lead them through a procedure of self discovery and then
Speaker 3: suggest a mushroom combination that you have on your website.
Speaker 2: Well, we had to take a lot of stuff down
Speaker 2: for some compliance issues right now, so I have written
Speaker 2: a microdows book that's different. It's based on our experience,
Speaker 2: so that's a good guide. The new website should be up.
Speaker 2: I don't know when this is airing, but should be
Speaker 2: up in the next week or so. We've been spending
Speaker 2: quite a bit of time doing it. Is an AI website,
Speaker 2: and in that we have what we call sanctuaries that
Speaker 2: the customer can go in, and we've built an avatar.
Speaker 2: I have been downloading uh stuff from them from the
Speaker 2: from the field and writing, and I created a big
Speaker 2: mini brain LLM of our experience and we've connected that
Speaker 2: to an avatar to help guide them through whatever it
Speaker 2: is they are going through. And then with that, we
Speaker 2: recommend a protocol of our different products and also lifestyle
Speaker 2: and also lifestyle changes, right, because this is this is
Speaker 2: you know, you have to take action, right.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 3: So you you go through, you go through an introductory
Speaker 3: process where AI interacts with you and will ask questions,
Speaker 3: gets answers, and then processes the data so that you
Speaker 3: can choose among the mushrooms to start.
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, and we have a little questionnaire. We have
Speaker 2: a little question thing that's really fast that will recommend
Speaker 2: a protocol for you, right, and then eventually I think
Speaker 2: it's it's in. Yeah, So we're you know, I actually
Speaker 2: what I do is I'm actually like I heard Elon
Speaker 2: talking once not too long ago, and he said, you know,
Speaker 2: the company Tesla is you know, he said, five percent
Speaker 2: is the car, right, it's a battery with you know,
Speaker 2: with some motors, right, instead of ninety five percent of test.
Speaker 2: The company is the infrastructure and the machine that builds
Speaker 2: the car.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: He had to build you know, all these power you know,
Speaker 2: stations and the infrastructure and the assembly line. And so
Speaker 2: that's what we're doing too. Mushrooms are cool, but that's
Speaker 2: just a method. So we're providing we're raising consciousness, right,
Speaker 2: So we're building this new AI system of education avatars,
Speaker 2: and then we're launching Frequency TV, which will be a
Speaker 2: fast channel, which is a linear channel that comes comes
Speaker 2: in on your television, not a website. It's a platform.
Speaker 2: So my film career is coming back in a different
Speaker 2: way to provide content and education to everyone so that
Speaker 2: we can program the mind properly with the inspiration and
Speaker 2: hope instead of just you know, everything out there, everybody
Speaker 2: knows just don't even turn on the news.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty blief.
Speaker 2: Well, it's absolutely poison the body. It's actually more harmful
Speaker 2: to the body than poison than toxic food in a way,
Speaker 2: it just completely eradicates your nervous system of your mind.
Speaker 3: Errors on there.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just and then you need more medicine.
Speaker 2: Then you're more depressed. It's great for it's great for business.
Speaker 2: It's great for business.
Speaker 3: But yeah, my guest today's been Mark Cole. He is
Speaker 3: the founder of Frequency. Mark's going to be speaking at
Speaker 3: the expo on Sunday, April nineteenth at three pm, Room
Speaker 3: number two. That's the New Living Expo in Santra Phil
Speaker 3: For all the details, you can go to New Livingexpo
Speaker 3: dot com. You can see not only Mark, but over
Speaker 3: one hundred other specific types of topics and speakers. They
Speaker 3: have a huge exhibit hall too, a couple of hundred
Speaker 3: exhibits that you can check out. Again. It's New Living
Speaker 3: Expo starts Friday, April seventeenth. Mark speaking Sunday the seventeenth
Speaker 3: of April, three pm. As we conclude, Mark, what are
Speaker 3: you see the next five years as working with these
Speaker 3: plant medicine specific types of plant medicine?
Speaker 2: Next five years, that's going to be it's gonna be
Speaker 2: pivoting here one way or another. Either it's going to
Speaker 2: be really kind of shut down and controlled, or it's
Speaker 2: going to be open for everyone. Right, So we're obviously
Speaker 2: hoping that, you know, us being up up front, that
Speaker 2: it will be open for everyone.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So with that, I think, I mean, this medicine is
Speaker 2: what will change humanity?
Speaker 3: Do you think I should have fraid it? Where? Do
Speaker 3: you think it's gonna go the way of cannabis which
Speaker 3: kind of grew exponentially and now supplies California with a
Speaker 3: billion dollars in revenue? Or is it going to be
Speaker 3: more controlled where you have to get a prescription from
Speaker 3: your doctor to go and you know, select plant medicines.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you know the way to control
Speaker 2: anything is to own it, right, And that's what the
Speaker 2: FDA is. They want to own the molecule of psilocybin, right,
Speaker 2: which they already do, and then prescribe it. So but
Speaker 2: you know, in mushroom, like psilocybin is to a mushrooms,
Speaker 2: vitamin C is to an orange, there's a whole lot
Speaker 2: more than an orange y, right, So, and we even
Speaker 2: serve the living mushroom, which is you know, it's completely
Speaker 2: it's a whole different experience. So I'm hoping that mushrooms
Speaker 2: will be allowed. But you know, you can't own a mushroom.
Speaker 2: You can't own an apple, right, So that's where business
Speaker 2: gets a little freaked out. However, I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: for sure, it was going to go down the pharmaceutical route.
Speaker 2: But you know, New Mexico just like is legalizing mushrooms
Speaker 2: and not the synthetic version, which is shocking. So I'm
Speaker 2: not sure what's going to happen, and I hope we're
Speaker 2: involved in it because all I'm doing is I just
Speaker 2: keep doing the next right thing. And I just know
Speaker 2: we're just helping thousands of people. We just came back
Speaker 2: from Biolife conference in Phoenix and Scottsdale and it was
Speaker 2: all doctors and we were swamped. Every single doctor connected
Speaker 2: with us. Every single doctor wants to know what we're doing,
Speaker 2: how we're doing it, because we're because we're you got
Speaker 2: to get this set first, and when and when we
Speaker 2: have this this this good and our identity good, everything
Speaker 2: else falls into place. Right, We're not struggling so much.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a it's a sense of truth. And listen,
Speaker 2: if everybody finds this truth and finds a purpose, we
Speaker 2: will make it, you know. We just we're right now.
Speaker 2: We're all just scrambling with fear. That is really an illusion, right,
Speaker 2: and this is by, This is by. I don't really
Speaker 2: feel like humanity has all these mental illnesses. I think
Speaker 2: half of them are made up because they just happen
Speaker 2: to have medicine for them. I think we're just confused.
Speaker 2: I think our brains are contaminated with just too much noise.
Speaker 2: It's static, and when we remove the static, everything's fine.
Speaker 2: And that's what mushrooms do. They remove the static. You know,
Speaker 2: advanced meditation, but you know this is a biohack to
Speaker 2: just get right to it. You could you can do
Speaker 2: this if you want to sit in a cave for
Speaker 2: six months. But it's not sustainable, right.
Speaker 3: You don't have time, you no one has time to
Speaker 3: sit in the cave. Do you last question? So it
Speaker 3: sounds like pretty much you let the mushroom be itself,
Speaker 3: but do you do any genetic work with it? Fine?
Speaker 3: I think the outcomes of what your work is is
Speaker 3: that you have an introductory mushroom and then you get
Speaker 3: into advanced mushrooms, which would be a genetic tweak at
Speaker 3: some point where they're stronger for hippocampus or some part
Speaker 3: of the brain or I don't know, you know so,
Speaker 3: but I mean, is that something that you kind of
Speaker 3: seek foresee in the future.
Speaker 2: No, we've already done it. Yeah, so you are tweaking
Speaker 2: genetic Well, we don't really tweak it. What we do
Speaker 2: is we okay real quick. So in the genetic world,
Speaker 2: this is where a lot of confusion comes in. Like
Speaker 2: as human beings, we fall under the species Homo sapiens,
Speaker 2: and then we have the genetics of you know, Asian African,
Speaker 2: you know, European whatever, those are genetics underneath that species.
Speaker 2: The same holds true for mushrooms. So when somebody says
Speaker 2: they have golden teacher or whatever, that's like saying you
Speaker 2: got a white guy, Do you have a fat white guy?
Speaker 2: Do you have an old white guy? Do you have
Speaker 2: a Navy seal white guy? And then where'd the white
Speaker 2: guy grow up? Yes, so we have a you know,
Speaker 2: so anyway, that is what I do is I take
Speaker 2: the Navy I've created through years, over a year work
Speaker 2: to amplify our genetics to the Navy seals. So all
Speaker 2: of our genetics, whatever it is, whatever the term is,
Speaker 2: we have the elite of the elite of the elite
Speaker 2: is our master genetic and then of course it grows
Speaker 2: up in a loving household. So right, so to answer
Speaker 2: your question, yes, we have different a sliding scale of genetics.
Speaker 2: Some I can't release to humanity. They're they're too crazy,
Speaker 2: you know, But we use those for the doctors who
Speaker 2: really you know, we have a lot of doctors working
Speaker 2: with us that want to you know, UH use the
Speaker 2: living mushroom. Right, So we have we save different genetics
Speaker 2: for the uh, for the ceremony practices, for the journey.
Speaker 2: They're very that's some of the that's some of the trick,
Speaker 2: like stem cells, Right, you have to have an intuition
Speaker 2: of what the people need when they needed kind of thing, right,
Speaker 2: And we're we're you know, people were constantstantly shift changing.
Speaker 2: We're not the same people that when we started a
Speaker 2: zoom call. We're always evolving or de evolving. Right, So,
Speaker 2: uh that requires some skills. So, but yes, to answer
Speaker 2: your question, we have genetics for all kinds of different purposes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess uh so, uh, you're selling the
Speaker 3: dried mushroom in the capsules, but are you selling spores
Speaker 3: that people can grow their own mushrooms?
Speaker 2: No, yeah, we're we're not really in that business. We're
Speaker 2: in the business of helping people. First of all, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't it's so difficult. Like if I like you as
Speaker 2: a friend, I will talk you out of growing mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Because it's really difficult to grow.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's so frustrated. It's so frustrating.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, it's like they have their own little personalities
Speaker 3: on choppings.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just it's just really frustrating. I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't to do it at any scale. We're not We're
Speaker 2: very small, but we're very boutique, you know. And the quality, quality,
Speaker 2: quality we protected, it's sacred to us. It's everybody here
Speaker 2: has their lives have been dramatically shifted, are saved through
Speaker 2: this medicine. So there's a real intention here, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark, call from frequency again. He's going to be
Speaker 3: at the New Living Next Book Sunday, April nineteenth, three
Speaker 3: pm in room number two. Hey. Mark, will pleasure meeting
Speaker 3: you and appreciate your insight.
Speaker 2: Thanks, look forward to seeing everybody.
Speaker 3: One of the things we didn't bring up is the
Speaker 3: legality of mushrooms. Now. I think that he can sell
Speaker 3: certain mushrooms directly. In other words, you have to show
Speaker 3: up at his store or his property or wherever he's
Speaker 3: getting them, and he does mail them out. But there's
Speaker 3: a number of states that do not allow psychedelics. And
Speaker 3: it's the same thing with cannabis. A lot of the
Speaker 3: country is just resistant to cannabis and you can't get it.
Speaker 3: And I've talked about this a long time, and you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into the blue and red
Speaker 3: state things. It should be just nationalized so that it's available.
Speaker 3: It's an alternative for people that are, you know, dealing
Speaker 3: with alcoholic issues. You know, the website frequency dot com
Speaker 3: has all his product line and the cacao products look
Speaker 3: very cool. He doesn't sell CBD, but he sells mushroom
Speaker 3: gummies and mushroom other mushroom products. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 3: it's very cool that he's there. Again, he's got a
Speaker 3: I think he's got a booth at theexpo New Livingexpo
Speaker 3: dot com and see what booth he said. I should
Speaker 3: have asked him a booth number he's at because it'd
Speaker 3: be cool to check out, and of course go see him.
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