1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Okay, so imagine a mirror, right, but this mirror doesn't 2 00:00:02,799 --> 00:00:07,360 just show you, like your reflection. It shows you moments 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:13,000 in time. Whoa, yeah, like the past or even. 4 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:15,039 Speaker 2: The future, like time travel kind. 5 00:00:14,759 --> 00:00:15,599 Speaker 1: Of kind of Yeah. 6 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: It sounds crazy, yeah, like straight out of science fiction exactly. 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: But believe it or not, there were these Russian scientists 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,280 back in nineteen ninety. They were way up north in 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:25,760 the Arctic. 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: That's gotta be cold, oh yeah. 11 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Super remote. They were working with this device they called 12 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,439 a Cozy Rev mirror. 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: A cozy Riv mirror. What's that all about. 14 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Well, it's based on the theories of this astrophysicist named 15 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:42,439 Nikolai Coozyrev. And get this. He believed he could amplify psychic. 16 00:00:42,119 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: Abilities with it, seriously psychic abilities. 17 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. So they were conducting these experiments up there in 18 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,240 the Arctic and some wild stuff started happening. People reported 19 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,280 seeing weird lights like discs flying around, energy balls appearing 20 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,880 and disappearing. Oh wow, and even the northern lights were 21 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,640 going crazy, super bright and intense like never before. 22 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: Sounds pretty spooky, definitely. 23 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:05,079 Speaker 1: And it gets weirder. People started feeling this this sense 24 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,359 of dread, like something bad was going to happen. 25 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: Huh, just from being near the mirror. 26 00:01:09,519 --> 00:01:11,079 Speaker 1: That's what they say. And then the people who actually 27 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,040 went inside the mirror, they claimed they could see things 28 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:16,400 in the past and maybe even the future. 29 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: Wow, that's some next level stuff. So today we're diving 30 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,719 into this whole Cozy Rev mirror thing, the theories, the experiments, 31 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:27,319 the claims. Were they really messing with time or is 32 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:29,040 there another explanation exactly? 33 00:01:29,079 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: And you've done some serious research on this, so let's 34 00:01:31,239 --> 00:01:31,879 unpack it all. 35 00:01:31,799 --> 00:01:32,799 Speaker 2: All right, let's get into it. 36 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: So, first off, who was this Cozy Rev guy and 37 00:01:35,079 --> 00:01:36,680 what were his theories all about? Right? 38 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: So, Nikolai Kozyrev he was a legit scientist, an astrophysicist actually, 39 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:44,000 but yeah, had some pretty out there ideas. Let's just 40 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,319 say he wasn't exactly mainstream. 41 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So what made him so different? 42 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:51,159 Speaker 2: Well, for starters, he believed that time wasn't just a dimension, 43 00:01:51,519 --> 00:01:54,000 you know, like a backdrop for everything that happens. Yeah, 44 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,319 he thought time was an active force, like it had 45 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,480 energy and structure. 46 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Time with energy. I've never thought about it. 47 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:02,519 Speaker 2: Like that, right, It's a pretty radical concept. He even 48 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,680 believed this time energy flowed through something he called the ether. 49 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,039 Speaker 1: The ether? Isn't that like an old idea that science 50 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:09,719 kind of threw out? 51 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. Mainstream science abandoned the idea of the 52 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,360 ether a while back, you know, after experiments couldn't prove 53 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:16,840 it existed. 54 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: So kozy Rev was going against the grain right from 55 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:19,639 the star. 56 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, big time. But he went even further than that. 57 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:25,879 He actually believed you could manipulate time, like speed it up, 58 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:28,599 slow it down, maybe even reverse it. 59 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,199 Speaker 1: Well, hold on, now, reverse time? Are you kidding? 60 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: Nope, that's what he thought, and he didn't stop there. 61 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,000 He also believed time was linked to human consciousness, like 62 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:39,960 somehow our minds could interact with it. 63 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:42,319 Speaker 1: Okay, now that's just blowing my mind. This is some 64 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:43,639 seriously heavy stuff. 65 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole different way of looking at the 66 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:47,120 universe and our place in it. 67 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,479 Speaker 1: So how did he get from all that to actually 68 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,759 building a kozor Rev mirror? What was the connection? 69 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So here's how he put it together. He knew 70 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,000 that concave mirrors, right, like the ones you see at 71 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,599 carnivals that make you look all distorted. Yeah, he knew 72 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,120 those could focus light, you know, like using a magnifying 73 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:06,360 glass to burm stuff with sunlight, so he thought maybe 74 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,439 maybe they could also focus this time. 75 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: Energy he was talking about interesting. 76 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,599 Speaker 2: And he didn't just theorize about it. He actually designed 77 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:16,360 and patented a device to test it out, this spiral 78 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:19,759 shaped thing made of metal. And guess what the spiral 79 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:20,400 was based on. 80 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:22,879 Speaker 1: Hmm, I don't know. Give me a hint. 81 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: It's a sequence of numbers that shows up all over 82 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:28,240 in nature, like in seashells and pine cones. 83 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:29,479 Speaker 1: Fipponacci numbers. 84 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: Bingo, you got it. He believed that specific spiral shape 85 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,439 could actually bend time at a microscopic level, so. 86 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:38,639 Speaker 1: Basically like a lens to focus something we can't even 87 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:39,759 see exactly. 88 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,199 Speaker 2: But he didn't stop with just these small devices. He 89 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,080 imagined creating a whole chamber lined with this special mirror material, the. 90 00:03:48,039 --> 00:03:51,159 Speaker 1: Whole room where time would be different inside. 91 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,879 Speaker 2: You got it. He thought you could speed up time 92 00:03:52,919 --> 00:03:55,520 inside the chamber, maybe even allowing people to see or 93 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:56,280 visit the future. 94 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: Wild, so totally wild. It's like something straight out of 95 00:03:59,719 --> 00:04:02,240 a move. But you know what's funny. The source material 96 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,759 mentioned some interesting historical connections like Nostrodamis. You know, the 97 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,120 guy who made all those predictions. Oh yeah, the prophet, 98 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,879 Well he used this metal egg and a bowl of 99 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:16,920 water as a magic mirror for his prophecies. And guess what, 100 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,360 both of those are concave shapes. 101 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: So maybe there's something to this concave shape thing. 102 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,319 Speaker 1: And then there's Leonardo da Vinci. He's like the ultimate 103 00:04:25,319 --> 00:04:26,079 invetter genius. 104 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: Right, yeah for sure. 105 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,199 Speaker 1: Well he actually sketched out designs for something he called 106 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:31,000 a mirror chamber. 107 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: Wow, so maybe Kozyrev wasn't completely out there. Maybe these 108 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:36,639 ideas have been floating around for centuries. 109 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:39,439 Speaker 1: Right, It's like this ancient fascination with mirrors and their 110 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,079 potential to show us more than just our reflection. 111 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,959 Speaker 2: I like that more than just a reflection. Definitely a 112 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,480 recurring theme throughout history. 113 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,759 Speaker 1: Okay, so fast forward to December nineteen ninety two. Russian 114 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,040 scientists doctor Trevomoff and doctor Kazhniashiv. They're up in this 115 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,600 remote Siberian village called Dixon Way up north right aby 116 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,759 the Arctic Circle. They actually built a cozy red mirror 117 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,639 big enough for a person to sit inside. 118 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: So this wasn't just a tiny lab experana. 119 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: Nope, this was the real deal. And they started getting 120 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,759 some pretty crazy results. Almost immediately, like what, well, people 121 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:16,600 in the village started seeing these weird disc shaped lights 122 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,360 in the sky UFOs maybe, who knows. They also saw 123 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:24,000 these balls of energy that would appear and disappear out 124 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:24,639 of thin air. 125 00:05:24,879 --> 00:05:25,879 Speaker 2: That's bizarre. 126 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: And get this, the northern lights were going absolutely bonkers, 127 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:34,279 super bright and intense like nothing anyone had ever seen before. 128 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: So this mirror was like affecting the environment around it somehow. 129 00:05:37,639 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: It seems that way. But it wasn't just the visual stuff. 130 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:45,360 People started feeling this overwhelming sense of dread, like something 131 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:46,560 terrible was going to happen. 132 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,199 Speaker 2: That's creepy just thinking about it. 133 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:50,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was apparently really intense, and it wasn't just 134 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,439 a few people. The whole village felt it. 135 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: So they finally convinced some brave souls to go inside 136 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:56,600 this mirror thing. 137 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,959 Speaker 1: What happened then, Well, things got even weirder. People reported 138 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,839 seeing flashes of energy inside. 139 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: The mirror, like little lightning bolts. 140 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:06,639 Speaker 1: Yeah kind of. And here's the kicker. The scientists claimed 141 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:09,399 the mirror was boosting people's psychic powers. 142 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: Like giving them superpowers pretty much. 143 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,199 Speaker 1: They said people could suddenly see things far away like they. 144 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: Were actually there remote viewing. 145 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and get this, some people even claim they could 146 00:06:19,879 --> 00:06:21,279 see into the past or the future. 147 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: Well, hold on, now, are we talking about time travel? 148 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,199 Speaker 1: That's what some people were saying. It really makes you 149 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,079 question everything we think we know about time, doesn't it totally? 150 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: It's like our linear way of thinking about time, past, present, future, 151 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:33,360 It all goes out the window. 152 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: Right. So they're having these wild individual experiences inside the mirror. 153 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,079 But then they took it a step further. How So 154 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,680 they started doing these experiments with two cozy rev mirrors, 155 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,240 one in Dixon and another one hundreds of miles away 156 00:06:48,519 --> 00:06:50,279 in Novosibirsk. 157 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,759 Speaker 2: Okay, so like a long distance connection exactly. 158 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: They wanted to see if they could send messages between 159 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,040 the mirrors just using their minds telepathy yep. And guess 160 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:02,879 what they that the success rate of sending these messages 161 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,240 was way higher when the Earth's magnetic field was all stirred. 162 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: Up, you mean, like during solar storms. 163 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,639 Speaker 1: Exactly. They were getting success rates of thirty to forty 164 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:14,040 five percent when there was a lot of solar activity 165 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,639 compared to what well, when the magnetosphere was quiet, the 166 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,199 success rate dropped to almost zero, like less than ten percent. 167 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: That's a huge difference. I can't just be coincidence. 168 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:26,959 Speaker 1: It really makes you think. Yeah, and remember what Cozy 169 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,240 Rev said about those torsion waves coming from the sun. 170 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,079 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the waves that can carry information and maybe 171 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,519 even influence consciousness exactly. 172 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,079 Speaker 1: So maybe those waves were somehow helping to transmit those 173 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:39,000 psychic messages. 174 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: So the Earth's magnetic field was like amplifying the signal maybe. 175 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,279 Speaker 1: Something like that. It's like the Earth itself was playing 176 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:48,079 a role in this whole thing. Pretty wild, and it 177 00:07:48,079 --> 00:07:50,720 gets even wilder. They decided to go big with this 178 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:54,839 whole interconnected consciousness idea. They did this massive experiment with 179 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:57,360 thousands of people from all over the world. 180 00:07:57,279 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: Like a global consciousness experiment. 181 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,959 Speaker 1: Precisely, they had two operators in Cozy Rev mirrors trying 182 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:06,000 to send images out into the Earth's magnetic field, so. 183 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,759 Speaker 2: Like broadcasting a thought to the whole planet. 184 00:08:08,439 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: In a way. Yeah, and then they had five thousand 185 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,240 people in twelve different countries try to tune into these 186 00:08:14,279 --> 00:08:17,600 images during periods of high magnetospheric activity. 187 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,079 Speaker 2: Wow, and what were the results? 188 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,199 Speaker 1: Get this? They claimed a ninety five percent success rate. 189 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: Ninety five percent. Seriously, that's what they reported. It's almost unbelievable, 190 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:29,040 it really is. 191 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,639 Speaker 1: And it's interesting that they chose times when the Earth's 192 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:36,480 magnetic field was active, like maybe that's somehow made it 193 00:08:36,519 --> 00:08:38,279 easier for people to connect or something. 194 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: And there's another interesting detail. The researchers noticed that children, 195 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:46,840 particularly those from families with speechual or shamanic traditions, they 196 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,559 were especially good at picking up these mental images. 197 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: Really, so like some people are naturally more attuned to 198 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,759 this stuff than others, That's what it seems like. 199 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: And there's this one example where the operator in the 200 00:08:56,879 --> 00:09:00,759 mirror focus on a number instead of an image. Yeah, 201 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:03,159 and the kids participating remotely, they were able to sense 202 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:06,200 the number and they used a key to match the 203 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:09,919 number with a symbol and they got it right. They 204 00:09:10,039 --> 00:09:12,360 drove the exact symbol the operator was thinking about. 205 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: Wow, so it wasn't just random images. They were actually 206 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:16,840 transmitting specific information. 207 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: It really makes you wonder about the potential of human consciousness. Right, 208 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,879 what are we capable of that we haven't even tapped 209 00:09:23,919 --> 00:09:26,919 into yet. That's a big questions, Like we're just scratching 210 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:28,440 the surface of what our minds can do. 211 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:31,919 Speaker 1: Okay, so now we're getting into really weird stuff. Yeah, 212 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,879 what happened when people spent a lot of time inside 213 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:36,080 these cozy ref mirrors? 214 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: All right, let's get into it. 215 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,039 Speaker 1: So they started having these really strange experiences that they 216 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,720 call being in cozy ref space. 217 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: Cozy ref space sounds kind of trippy. 218 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,159 Speaker 1: It was pretty out there. One of the most common 219 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:52,120 things people felt was weightlessness, like they were floating or even. 220 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:53,919 Speaker 2: Flying ooh, like astronauts. 221 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of them had vivid visions of 222 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,720 outer space, like they could see stars, planets, even UFOs. 223 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: So the mirror was like transporting them to another reality 224 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:04,960 in a way. 225 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like their perception was completely altered. But here's 226 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,120 the really freaky part. People started seeing these glowing symbols 227 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,480 appear inside the mirror. 228 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,639 Speaker 2: Glowing symbols like written language. 229 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were swirling and glowing like they were made 230 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,840 of neon. They documented over two thousand different symbols. 231 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:24,759 Speaker 2: Two thousand. That's a lot. And what did the symbols mean? 232 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,759 Speaker 1: Well, they had to Linquist analyze them and get this. 233 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:29,480 Eighty percent of a matched up with symbols from ancient cultures. 234 00:10:29,799 --> 00:10:31,759 Speaker 2: Ancient cultures like what kind. 235 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: Mostly Sumerian symbols from ancient Mesopotamia. 236 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,159 Speaker 2: Whoa hold on now, Sumerian that's like one of the 237 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:38,360 oldest civilizations we. 238 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: Know of, I know, right. Yeah, it's like this mirror 239 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:43,840 was somehow tapping into some ancient knowledge or something. 240 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: It's almost like they were accessing the collective unconscious or something. 241 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,639 Speaker 1: Maybe that's what was going on. It's pretty mind blowing 242 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:51,159 to think about. 243 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,279 Speaker 2: So we got weightlessness, space travel, ancient symbols. Anything else 244 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,360 we need to add to this list of crazy experiences? 245 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's one more thing, and it's probably the 246 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,480 creepiest of all. A lot of people claimed they felt 247 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,840 the presence of other beings inside the Kozyrev space. 248 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: Other beings like what aliens, not exactly. 249 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: They call them observers, and they described them as humanoid 250 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:15,840 figures made of light. 251 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,639 Speaker 2: Humanoid figures made of light. That's both fascinating and terrifying 252 00:11:19,639 --> 00:11:20,320 at the same time. 253 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty unsettling. Apparently about two thirds of the 254 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,000 participants said they felt these observers. 255 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: So it wasn't just a few people. This was a 256 00:11:27,159 --> 00:11:28,600 common experience, and. 257 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,759 Speaker 1: Some people even tried to communicate with them. 258 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: And did they get any responses? 259 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,519 Speaker 1: Some people claim they did, but the messages were usually 260 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,720 cryptic or symbolic, like warnings or prophecies. 261 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: Warnings like what kind of warnings? 262 00:11:40,639 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: Well, one person said an observer told them about a 263 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,279 future disaster that's going to happen to Earth. 264 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: That's pretty heavy stuff. It's hard to know what to 265 00:11:47,759 --> 00:11:48,440 make of that kind. 266 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,879 Speaker 1: Of thing, right, Is it a real prediction or just 267 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:52,240 some kind of metaphor? Who knows? 268 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely open to interpretation. But let's move on 269 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:59,679 to something even more mind boggling. What about the claims 270 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:00,600 of time travel? 271 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is where things get really wild. Over 272 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,120 forty percent of the people who went inside the Cozy 273 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,960 rev Mirrors claim they experienced some form of time travel. 274 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: Time travel seriously. 275 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Some people said they saw events from their own 276 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,200 past lives, like watching. 277 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,879 Speaker 2: A movie, like reliving their past. 278 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,279 Speaker 1: Others said they felt like they were interacting with their 279 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,080 younger selves. 280 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,639 Speaker 2: Wow, that's intense. 281 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: And then there were some people who claimed they actually 282 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,240 projected their consciousness into the past, like one woman felt 283 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:32,200 like she was an advisor to Genghis Khan. 284 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,519 Speaker 2: Genghis Khan, the Mongol warlord. 285 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: The One and Only. Others said they felt like they 286 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,120 were living in the Middle Ages or the Roman Empire. 287 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: So they weren't just observing the past, they were actually 288 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,000 experiencing it. 289 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: That's what they said. It's pretty much impossible to prove 290 00:12:46,919 --> 00:12:50,080 or disprove, but it's a pretty consistent theme in these 291 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:51,799 Cozy rev Mirror experiments. 292 00:12:51,879 --> 00:12:55,519 Speaker 2: It really makes you wonder, what if time isn't as 293 00:12:55,639 --> 00:12:57,200 linear as we think it is. 294 00:12:57,399 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: Right, what if it's more like a fluid thing we 295 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:01,080 can somehow navigate. 296 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:02,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a mind bending thought. 297 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:05,799 Speaker 1: Okay, so we've talked about the experiments and the crazy 298 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,600 experiences people had, But why did they choose to do 299 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:12,519 all this in Dixon, this remote arctic village. 300 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,799 Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't just a random location. They picked Dixon 301 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:15,960 because of the permafrost. 302 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Permafrost, what's they got to do with time travel? 303 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: Well, the researchers had this theory that when water freezes 304 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,360 in permafrost, it traps time, energy and information from that era. 305 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: So like a time capsule in the ice kinda. 306 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they thought that when the permafrost thaws, that 307 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:31,720 energy gets released. 308 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: And maybe that energy was somehow interacting with the Cozy 309 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:34,679 rev mirror. 310 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: That was their idea. It's pretty far out there, but 311 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,840 who knows, maybe there's something to it. 312 00:13:40,039 --> 00:13:42,399 Speaker 1: So basically they thought the Arctic was like this giant 313 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:47,600 reservoir of time energy just waiting to be tapped into. 314 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: A pretty wild concept for sure. 315 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got these mind blowing experiments, these incredible claims, 316 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,200 But did the scientific community take any of this seriously? 317 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: Well not really. Most mainstream scientists kind of dismissed it 318 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:01,879 as pseudoscience. 319 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: Not surprising, I guess it's pretty hard to swallow. 320 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there was one group that was definitely interested, 321 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:09,279 the CIA. 322 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: The CIA, what were they doing snooping around and all this. 323 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:15,159 Speaker 2: Well, they've always been interested in stuff that pushes the boundaries, 324 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:19,039 you know, like psychic abilities and mind control. That's their 325 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:23,000 mo So when they heard about these cozy rav mirror experiments, 326 00:14:23,039 --> 00:14:26,840 they were intrigued. Declassified documents show that they were looking 327 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:27,960 into it pretty seriously. 328 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: So maybe they thought they could weaponize it or something, 329 00:14:30,159 --> 00:14:30,639 who knows. 330 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: But it's interesting that they took it seriously enough to investigate, 331 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,720 even if most scientists didn't. 332 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: It's like they were thinking, hey, what if there's something 333 00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:41,120 to this, we better find out before someone else does. 334 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,559 Speaker 2: Exactly. It makes you wonder what they might have discovered 335 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,000 that they're still keeping secret. 336 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: So even though mainstream science hasn't really embraced Kuzirav's ideas, 337 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,480 there have been some recent developments that kind of support 338 00:14:55,559 --> 00:14:56,600 some of this concepts. 339 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like what, well. 340 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,559 Speaker 1: Some scientists at the City University of they did an 341 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,399 experiment where they managed to make an electromagnetic wave travel 342 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,480 backwards in time. 343 00:15:06,799 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: Backwards in time, seriously, Yeah. 344 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,759 Speaker 1: It's pretty mind blowing. They used a special material called 345 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,000 a meta material, and they were able to manipulate the 346 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:16,639 wave so it looked like he was going back in time. 347 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: Now, that sounds a lot like what kozy Rep was 348 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,000 talking about with time not being linear and all that. 349 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,279 Speaker 1: Exactly. It's not exactly the same thing as his time energy, 350 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:27,799 but it shows that maybe manipulating time isn't as impossible 351 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:28,320 as we thought. 352 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: It's definitely a step in that direction. And what about 353 00:15:30,879 --> 00:15:34,840 the more practical applications of Kozirov's theories, like predicting earthquakes. 354 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: Well, there's actually some evidence that his ideas might be 355 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:38,320 useful for that. 356 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: Remember doctor Trevmov, Yeah, the guy who did the experiments 357 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:43,600 with doctor kaznish Us. 358 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:48,039 Speaker 1: He's reportedly been using Cozier's principles to predict earthquakes, and 359 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:51,960 he's getting a much higher success rate than traditional methods. 360 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: Really, so maybe there's some practical value to all this 361 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:55,879 crazy stuff. 362 00:15:55,919 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: After all, it's definitely possible. It just needs more research 363 00:15:59,080 --> 00:15:59,840 and verification. 364 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: But imagine if we could actually predict earthquakes accurately. That 365 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,360 would be a game changer. 366 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it could save countless lives. 367 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: And that's just one potential application. People have talked about 368 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,159 using Kozierf's theories for everything from space travel to human 369 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,080 health and aging. 370 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: It's a pretty bold vision. The idea that we could 371 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,919 harness this time energy to benefit humanity. 372 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,639 Speaker 2: Very bold vision. But the original researchers also warned about 373 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:26,639 the potential dangers of this technology. 374 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, they said it could be misused if it fell 375 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:29,519 into the wrong and. 376 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:32,759 Speaker 2: Exactly, like imagine someone using it for mind control or 377 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:35,799 to gain power over others. That's a scary thought. 378 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,639 Speaker 1: It's like any powerful technology, it can be used for 379 00:16:38,679 --> 00:16:39,879 good or for evil. 380 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,879 Speaker 2: And that's why they advocated for making this knowledge open 381 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:46,399 and accessible to everyone, so no one group. 382 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: Or individual would have a monopoly on it. 383 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: Exactly. They believed that open collaboration was the best way 384 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,039 to ensure that this technology would be used responsibly. 385 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: So what do you think after going through all this? 386 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,919 Is it all just a bunch of crazy talk or 387 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:02,720 could there be something real here? 388 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: It's definitely a lot to take in, right from these 389 00:17:05,559 --> 00:17:10,039 radical theories to the mind blowing experiments. It's hard to 390 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:10,880 know what to believe. 391 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,799 Speaker 1: It really challenges everything we think we know about reality. 392 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,839 Speaker 2: But that's what makes it so fascinating. It forces us 393 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,920 to question our assumptions and to consider possibilities that seem impossible. 394 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:22,559 Speaker 1: And even if some of these claims are a bit 395 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:25,000 too far out there, the fact that the CIA was 396 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:26,720 interested is pretty intriguing. 397 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:29,079 Speaker 2: Definitely, it makes you wonder what they saw in this 398 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,880 research that most scientists missed. 399 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:33,759 Speaker 1: So regardless of whether you believe any of this or not, 400 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:36,200 I think it's safe to say that this deep dive 401 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:38,640 has opened up some pretty mind bending possibilities. 402 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,079 Speaker 2: It definitely has, and it makes you wonder what other 403 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,400 mysteries are out there just waiting to be discovered exactly. 404 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: Maybe we're just at the beginning of understanding the true 405 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,519 nature of time and consciousness and. 406 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,079 Speaker 2: The potential that lies within us. 407 00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:54,599 Speaker 1: Right, maybe there's a whole universe of possibilities that we 408 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:55,839 haven't even imagined yet. 409 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,279 Speaker 2: It's a humbling thought, and a very exciting one. 410 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: Is thanks for taking us on this deep dive. It's 411 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:03,920 been quite a journey. 412 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: You're welcome. I'm glad we could explore this together. 413 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: I think our listeners are going to have a lot 414 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,880 to think about after this one, I hope. 415 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 2: So it's good to challenge our perspectives every now and then. 416 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,519 Speaker 1: You got that right, Well, until next time. Keep those 417 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:18,440 minds open, and keep exploring the unknown, and keep looking. 418 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 2: In those mirrors. You never know what you might see.