WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:11.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to Game Best Mornings with Me Jeff 2 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:14.160 Grab your host from giant bomb dot com. It's gonna 3 00:00:14.160 --> 00:00:16.239 be a good one. Thank you for tuning in. In this episode, 4 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:18.640 we're gonna be talking about everyone's still playing the same 5 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:21.640 games that they were playing last year, and how many 6 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.320 characters are going to be in the next big Nintendo release. 7 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:26.320 It's gonna be a good one. Like I said, because 8 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:29.199 we have Jason Bonelli on the show. Jason, how are 9 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:33.759 you doing? I am fantastic. The year is gotten off 10 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:37.880 to a fest start here in house Finelle and the 11 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:40.799 surrounding families. My cousin had a baby on Monday night. 12 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:44.479 WHOA want to shout them out for multiple reasons. Obviously, 13 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:46.439 bringing their second child into the world's a great thing. 14 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:50.560 But also my cousin has this uncanny ability to not 15 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:53.880 have to wait very long in the hospital, Like, got 16 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:55.920 there at six thirty pm, the child was out at 17 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:56.560 seven to twenty. 18 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.840 That's incredible her. Yeah, and her first. 19 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:02.880 Child was even faster than that son. 20 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:04.359 They were on the they were on the Games Done 21 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:08.040 Quick stream birth Yeah, yeah. 22 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:10.519 Birth done quick. But no, the mom and mom and 23 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:12.640 child are great. They should be coming home today. Actually, 24 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.280 I think so. That's that's pretty cool. Uh. Bought a 25 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:19.560 new car last night. Yeah, we were. We replaced the 26 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:21.840 minivan with a tell your ride twenty twenty five kill you. 27 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:24.519 We're a Kia family. Yeah, can you tell your right? 28 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:26.519 It's like, that's that's one of the ones to get. 29 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:29.000 I always we loved my eye on that. We we 30 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:29.359 love it. 31 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:31.560 So far, we've only droven it, driven to call, drive 32 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:33.319 to the gym this morning, wife drove it to work, 33 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:35.280 we drove it home obviously, But so far, so good, 34 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:36.480 feels good, drives good. 35 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:37.319 Uh. 36 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:42.640 And then my theater show season started on Sunday with auditions. 37 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:46.200 Callbacks are tonight. The callback list went out Sunday night 38 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:51.760 and the name on the callback list does say Finelle, 39 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:58.319 but the name on the callback list says Olivia. Oh wow, 40 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:02.159 she tried out for the first time, and tonight she's 41 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.079 got a callback and I am very excited to take her. 42 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:05.599 I did not get a call back, but I didn't 43 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.319 expect one. My theater group tends to mix it up 44 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:12.039 when it comes to Leeds R. Scarecrow was huge, So 45 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:13.879 if I get a little bit pard, of course, I'm 46 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.080 fine with that. Plus Charlotte the younger is joining for 47 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.280 the first time, so I'll have to corral her as well. 48 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:20.520 But yeah, fast start of the year, how about you. 49 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:24.560 Uh yeah, a fast start was a fast, hectic into 50 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:27.280 the year, I keep saying on the show. Uh so 51 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:29.719 we did start taking it easy around New Year's time. 52 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.680 It's it's picking back up now though. You know STEP's 53 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:35.639 going to be traveling here soon and that's gonna be 54 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:38.960 a lot because it's she's going to international. So it's like, Okay, 55 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:40.400 we've got to make sure all the things are button 56 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.000 down here, make sure I'm ready for everything on my own. 57 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:45.520 But you know, that's it's always great when you get 58 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.960 to do cool stuff like that. And then God, I 59 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.280 think I need to buy my I think I'm going 60 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:52.759 to GDC. I think I'm going to GDC, jan I 61 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.840 might I might need a place to stay. I'm going 62 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.360 to GDC. Uh So I need to like figure out that, 63 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:01.319 you know, hotels and flights and all that stuff here 64 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:01.759 pretty much. 65 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:04.599 So you think you're going to GDC. Aren't you scheduled 66 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:05.680 to speak? Yeah? 67 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:07.360 I think I'm scheduled to speak, which is why I 68 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:08.800 think I probably should be there. 69 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:11.240 Yeah, I'm doing a panel. 70 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:13.879 So yeah, we'll talk about independent games media. So yeah, 71 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:15.159 gott get that. I'll figure it out. 72 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:17.479 Yeah, real quick. Just as the question was in chat, 73 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:21.280 the show is not cats, it is the Little Mermaid. 74 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.719 Okay, so well darn well no, a little less interested, 75 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:25.360 but fair enough. 76 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:29.159 No rum tug tugger I can overhit skimbal shanks out there. 77 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:30.120 All right. 78 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.439 Before we get into things, let's explain ourselves. 79 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:34.439 We're Giant Bomb. 80 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.120 Go to giant bomb dot com, slash join, become a 81 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:40.800 premium member. That's how you support independent games media in 82 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:44.199 twenty twenty six. There's no one out there that's gonna 83 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.599 come save us. 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You can also catch the show 114 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:13.639 later with chapters in timestamps on YouTube Hello YouTube All right, 115 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:15.279 we have a lot to get into, so let's start 116 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:19.120 the morning mess with PlayStation's most played games of twenty 117 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:22.759 twenty five are identical to twenty twenty four's list. 118 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:24.759 This is from Jordan Midler at VGC. 119 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.079 PlayStation's list of most played games in the US in 120 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.319 twenty twenty five is the same as the twenty twenty 121 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.480 four list, with Fortnite taking this top spot once again. 122 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:39.639 The ranking, which comes from Circana's player engagement tracker Viaircana 123 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:44.360 Circana Circana Price Ircana Senior director Matt Piscatella, shows that 124 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:47.240 in both twenty twenty five and twenty twenty four and 125 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.360 the United States, the most popular games remained identical. 126 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:52.959 Fortnite was the top of the charts, with Call of Duty. 127 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:55.879 This seems to count all Call of Duty titles due 128 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:57.519 to the fact that it's like Call of Duty HQ 129 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.319 that was number two. The thirteen year old Grand Theft 130 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:04.079 Auto took the next spot, with Roadblocks in Minecraft next 131 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:07.879 there at four and five, respectively. Over on Xbox, the 132 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:10.000 same titles made up the top five, but in slightly 133 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:15.040 different order, with Minecraft and Roadblocks swapping places. Jason I 134 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:20.399 remember back in like twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, I was 135 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:25.000 working at games Beat and I'd cover a slightly broader 136 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:27.199 set of games, a lot of mobile stuff. Was something 137 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:28.920 like kind of I had my eye on and I 138 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:30.720 remember like kind of being like, I don't know why 139 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:34.399 we're doing this. It's the same games are number numbers 140 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:37.360 one through ten now as they were in twenty twelve. 141 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.639 This is a stagnant industry. Nothing cool is happening over 142 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:43.199 on mobile gaming because it's the same games making all 143 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.959 the money as always. Thank god, It's not that way 144 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:50.800 everywhere else. It's that way everywhere everywhere else. Nor yep, 145 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.040 I know, I've the Monkey Paul curled in my hands. 146 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:54.600 I don't know why I didn't put it down before 147 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:55.319 I said anything. 148 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:00.680 It's look, these games are making a lot of money. 149 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.000 This is where people want to spend their time. They 150 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:07.800 want a hobby that is like, you know, that's like bowling. 151 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.680 I'm gonna go bowling. I'm gonna go play Fortnite. It's 152 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:12.920 a place to go hang out with your friends. It's familiar. 153 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.800 The effort you put into it is something that like 154 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:17.560 you can get more out of it over time because 155 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:19.160 you have all these skins and all these fun things 156 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:21.519 you've collected and you don't have to start from scratch 157 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:22.079 each time. 158 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:24.639 People like that sort of thing. I get it, but 159 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:25.199 I don't know. 160 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:29.199 This doesn't feel like a good sign overall for where 161 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:30.639 this industry is headed. 162 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:34.079 Right, I agree one hundred percent. Now, yeah, there is 163 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:36.439 an argument to be made that you look at the 164 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.439 games that came out last year and what when you 165 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.360 look at that list, what could have really challenged Like 166 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:44.800 think about the best games of last year. Hollow Night 167 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:49.399 was not going to unseat any of these. Claire Obscure, 168 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.079 even with its ground swell of support and all those 169 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:54.319 people surprised that it was so good and the awards 170 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:57.040 were never going to unseat these. The only way you're 171 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.480 gonna unseat this is to become a massively huge live 172 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:03.160 service sort of game, and Arc Raiders might have been 173 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.480 the only one that would actually challenge that. Otherwise, I 174 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:08.959 am not surprised by this at all. 175 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.720 It shows it goes to show like Battlefield six is 176 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:14.439 not in there, and that was a huge release, so 177 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.040 it's like, oh, it even takes like some of these 178 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:21.399 games years to build up the amount of like a 179 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:23.839 player base to get into this top five like that 180 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:27.160 that is how how massive, how big these black Hole 181 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:29.240 games really are, which is something Matt calls them all 182 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:29.639 the time. 183 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.159 Yeah, and I don't think that the disappointing performance of 184 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.399 Black Ops seven happened early enough in the year for 185 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.240 this list to be affected. 186 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.799 Granted, the fact that. 187 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.000 Call of Duty is corralling all of their franchises into 188 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.840 one is sort of cheating. Yeah right, but no, I'm not. 189 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.480 I this makes perfect sense to me. Fortnite continues to 190 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:58.679 be an absolute juggernaut, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. 191 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:01.120 They just announced that we're going down the South Park 192 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:01.639 in two days. 193 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:02.519 Whatever. That looks like. 194 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.759 It's I hate the fact. I mean, there's a certain 195 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:09.279 R word that's looking at me and I don't want 196 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:11.279 to say it because I have a reputation of getting 197 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.600 very upset when I see it. The fact that it's 198 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.679 anywhere on this list just pisses me off. Well, that 199 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:18.639 word pisses me off too, But one. 200 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:21.200 Yeah, that one's not staring in the face right now. No, 201 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:22.919 it's not. No, it is not. 202 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.919 And yeah, I know it, despite my you know, anger 203 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.559 from inside out reactions to it every time I see it, 204 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:32.519 it is popular. 205 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:35.519 I can't deny that uh. I mean it's a thing. 206 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.159 Like my girls have started coming home asking about it now, 207 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:40.559 so it's like they weren't not doing that before. 208 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:42.240 Might have been doing that for a little while. And 209 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:46.039 I'm just like, no, sorry, just complete straight up. 210 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:47.960 I should just let you should come over and have 211 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.000 a talk with them. Yeah, last night it was like, 212 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.480 can we can we at least do Rainbow Friends. I'm 213 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.320 like no, for two reasons. One it's on the Roebucks platform. 214 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.120 And two do you even got Do you guys even 215 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:00.240 know it's a horror game you'll have nightmare. 216 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:03.799 And yeah it is. Yeah they don't, Yeah, they don't know. 217 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:05.759 We had that conversation while I was put teching her 218 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:08.240 in at night, so I'm glad you didn't sleep. That's 219 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:12.200 probably bad timing. But no, no, but but this back 220 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:15.480 to this list aside, I'm not I'm not shocked at all. Again, 221 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:17.399 I went back and looked at what the most popular 222 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:19.519 games that came out last year, and with the exception 223 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:23.559 of Battlefield and arc Greaders that we mentioned, nothing even 224 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:27.360 had a shot. Now, if Grand Theft Auto six comes 225 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:30.399 out next year, technically they may be the same games, 226 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:34.080 but I think they'll just say six instead of five right, 227 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:34.799 and it'll be right. 228 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.399 It probably depends on how they package GT online, GTA 229 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:39.919 online two whatever. 230 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:40.399 That looks like. 231 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:44.159 We still have not heard a single thing about right 232 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:46.919 follow up to online, if it's a big update, if 233 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:49.440 it's a separate thing. Honestly, it's probably one of the 234 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:51.679 reasons they've taken so long is figuring out what that 235 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:54.159 is going to even be. I'm sure they know by now, 236 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:56.399 but it's like, still, they gotta make that work. So 237 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:59.080 it's like, yeah, that's a separate client or whatever. It'll 238 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:02.039 be a separate entry either way, though it's right same, 239 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:06.799 it's the same thing. Yeah. So I think this explains 240 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.480 like a lot of like when we see these big 241 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:11.919 companies behaving in a way that's hard for us to understand. 242 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:14.480 Or it's like, hey, don't they like money, Why don't 243 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.480 they just make X? And it's like, well, they are 244 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:20.720 saving a lot of money by just taking X and 245 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.879 putting it into Fortnite, Or they are very curious about 246 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.360 building their own big live service thing where they can 247 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.399 just update stuff inside it there and that could be 248 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.559 the focus. And it's like, obviously we are at a 249 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:39.879 point where that's over too, because if same five games 250 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:42.679 we've just talked about these new ones that kind of 251 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:44.759 seem to shake the world. I mean, you know, go 252 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.879 back to Hell Divers too, that was a massive. 253 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:48.480 Massive game. 254 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:50.919 It's not on this list anymore, right, Yeah, So, I 255 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.279 mean we're talking about games that, even when they do 256 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.679 seem like they're going to be the next big thing, 257 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.879 the next Fortnite, the next whatever, they don't. 258 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:02.639 Those don't even have the legs. 259 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:05.759 So it's like, where are these companies at with trying 260 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.919 to like navigate this this space that where they see 261 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:10.879 all this money coming in it's going into a certain 262 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:11.480 kind of game. 263 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:13.080 They want one of those games. 264 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.000 But everyone that's tried has, even when they've succeeded it 265 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.960 making a successful game, has not succeeded at cracking this 266 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:19.519 top five. 267 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:20.399 So where do they go? 268 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.360 And you mentioned Hell Divers sue that came out in 269 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:25.840 twenty twenty four and it wasn't on this list because 270 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:27.919 the list is identical to last year, and that game 271 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.240 came out in February and it was massive and it 272 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.919 did not crack this top five. If you are a developer, 273 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:38.440 especially a smaller one, and unless you have an absolutely 274 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:42.320 cracking idea for a live service team that nobody's ever 275 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:47.080 done before. Whether it's you know, QUTC or hardcore or 276 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:51.759 whatever it is, do not. It's it's the game's over 277 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:55.240 the ship of sale. You're better off building your idea 278 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:56.720 in Fortnite. 279 00:12:57.159 --> 00:13:01.000 The best time to start making a like kind of 280 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.080 smaller live service game that can grow into something big 281 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:07.240 over time was twelve years ago and it was called Warframe. 282 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.440 And it's like, you're not Warframe, Like you're not gonna 283 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:12.679 be the next Warframe. They've learned so many hard lessons 284 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.840 over the years and like refined that game into something 285 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:19.240 specific for an audience that is a bit like more 286 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.519 than big enough for them. They grow almost every time 287 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:24.120 they put out new content, they reach higher numbers, and 288 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.120 it's like, oh, that that's what can work. But you 289 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:27.720 had to start a long time ago and sort of 290 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:30.360 build that foundation, and no one else is going to 291 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:32.759 be able to like give themselves a twelve year runway. 292 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.679 And it's not even guaranteed that Warframe is going to 293 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:39.679 make the next Warframe. With Soul Frame, they're trying. Yea, 294 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:42.200 if you've dabbled in that at all, and it's pretty cool, 295 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:45.440 but Warframe is gonna cat are they going to be 296 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.080 able to do two. That would be amazing, but it 297 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.200 remains to be seen. Even the companies that know what 298 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:53.879 they're doing don't aren't guaranteed to have the kind of 299 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:55.679 hits that would crack this list, and that to me 300 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:58.039 is fascinating. 301 00:13:58.399 --> 00:13:58.600 Yeah. 302 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.679 This all this says to me is while it looks 303 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:03.960 like the industry is stagnant, like you said at the 304 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:06.960 beginning here, nothing that came out this year was going 305 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:12.919 to challenge them. It's not quite as dire as it seems, 306 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:15.600 but it should be a red flag to anyone who's 307 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:19.559 trying to challenge these that maybe you should shift your focus. 308 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:21.679 All right, let's keep going here. 309 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:25.440 Fallout four doubles concurrent players on Steam following Fallout season 310 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:27.879 two premiere. This is from Sophie McAvoy at Games Industry 311 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:30.279 dop is, and it went from like twenty thousand to 312 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:32.919 forty thousand since the show return on December sixteenth to 313 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:37.600 twenty twenty five. Same thing happened with season one, and 314 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:39.960 it was like the same game getting the benefit mostly 315 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:43.879 Fallout four, primarily Fallout seventy six got a lot of 316 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:47.759 love as well. You know, I think when we were 317 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.720 coming out of that season. The conversation Jason was, what 318 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:53.279 are they going to have new to sort of kind 319 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:56.320 of take advantage of this going forward? Still nothing new, 320 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.440 and they're still able to kind of take advantage of it. 321 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:00.519 Where people show up for these games, they own it 322 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:02.399 already or they go out and buy it because they're 323 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:07.360 excited about the show. Is it necessary to have something new? 324 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:08.840 People seem to be happy to go back to a 325 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:12.360 game from god Win, a Fallout four come Out twenty fifteen, 326 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:13.759 twenty fifteen, is that it? 327 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:15.759 Yeah? Yeah, that's a ten year old game. 328 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.240 Now it's eleven year old game going on eleven years old, 329 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.159 So it doesn't seem to have heard it all that much. 330 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.480 The synergy matters, but it seems like they're capturing it. 331 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.440 Whether they have put in the effort to make something 332 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:29.120 new or not. What do you think happens here? 333 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:32.720 I think eventually it would be silly to say they're 334 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:34.039 never going to make a new fall Out ever again. 335 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:35.879 Eventually we're going to get one. But where we all 336 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.200 thought they might be planning for Fallout season one or 337 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:41.320 season two, maybe they're planning for three or four. Like 338 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.600 somewhere down the pike and seventy six continues to update 339 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:48.320 despite its rocky start. It's right there with a very 340 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:53.440 dedicated legion of players, a massive fan base that still 341 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.679 go in there every single time, still relevant enough to 342 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:59.320 be activated at things like Summer Games Fest. You remember 343 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.960 they had that like fishing in the Pool for whatever 344 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:06.720 that was Fallout seventy six. I do think eventually we'll 345 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.879 get that remake that we've been waiting for remastered, similarly 346 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:14.039 to how Oblivion got the remaster treatment this year last year, 347 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.320 you'll probably get something like a Fallout three remastered. Fallout 348 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:20.159 four clearly doesn't need it despite being ten eleven years old. 349 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.240 People are still playing it, so you can bring in 350 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:25.279 Fallout three remastered came round around the same time on 351 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:29.279 the same consoles as Oblivion. You can see the parallels there. 352 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:31.919 I would have thought it was out, it would have 353 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:36.159 been out already, as you mentioned, but maybe they're waiting for, 354 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:38.919 like I said, like a season three or the end 355 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.600 of this season they'll do that shadow drop. When is 356 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:45.320 that Developer Partner preview thing, Developer direct It. 357 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.159 Is in a week and a half, right, yeah, soon, yes, soon? 358 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:50.759 Who's to say they don't And where does that line 359 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:53.039 up with the end of the Fallout season. If there's 360 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.480 synergy there, maybe we get it there, you know what 361 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:57.799 I'm saying. So there's still some possibility that they could 362 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:01.159 line up with this season, or they wait for another 363 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:04.519 year or whatever the next season is. They announce the 364 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:09.359 remake and the third season at the same time. I 365 00:17:09.440 --> 00:17:12.440 imagine they are not as ignorant to the synergy as 366 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:13.359 it seems. 367 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:14.680 No, definitely not. 368 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:19.559 Their plan is definitely more out of the box than 369 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:22.319 what we would normally expect. Does that make sense? 370 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:25.400 Yeah, I think that it's like, you know, you are 371 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:27.920 playing the cards you have in your hand, if you're 372 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:31.559 one of these companies, and everyone looks around and says, 373 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:35.160 oh my god, we need more from Fallout because it's 374 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:39.039 never been hotter, it's never been more culturally relevant, like 375 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.039 we have to do something here, And then the people 376 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:44.559 on the other side of that conversation go, look, we 377 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.720 get it. We're making these games, and we get it. 378 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:51.279 We also wish we could like just drop something new, sure, 379 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:54.960 but that's not the reality of anything involving game development, 380 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:58.960 especially in this moment. We've already already committed to some 381 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:02.400 other stuff over here to so what can we do? 382 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:04.680 And I think everyone looks around and say, okay, let's 383 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:07.559 take care of Fallout for let's make sure that that's 384 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:09.680 as in as good as shape as possible. They've updated 385 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:11.720 fall Out seventy six a ton of times. That's still 386 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:15.319 an active game, and they sort of just have to 387 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.039 rely on that, and it's it's working and people like, 388 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:19.839 you know, I don't hear a lot of people who 389 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:22.480 are doing this complaining about Fallout four. Most of them 390 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.839 seem pretty happy with it, So yeah, you know, and 391 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.559 it doesn't hurt that if you get super into it, 392 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:30.839 you can find thousands of mods to turn that game 393 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.119 into all kinds of different stuff, and that can feel 394 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:35.240 fresh in a lot of ways as well, although I'm 395 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:37.119 skeptical that a lot of people come from. 396 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:38.960 The TV show are doing exactly. 397 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:42.200 That regardless, right, it's there, So yeah, I think you 398 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:44.000 play the cards that you have in your hand. That's 399 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.240 that's all you can do, and that's what this looks like, 400 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:49.400 and then you try to stack the deck going forward 401 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:51.599