Speaker 1: Oh bread of that are, hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan,
Speaker 2: I'm Jacob. My mouth looks blue? See that, yo?
Speaker 3: You're telling is that because that methylene?
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, I actually just ordered another bottles, so we'll
Speaker 2: see where that goes. But anyway, we're not talking about
Speaker 2: that today. I just noticed that just now. But today
Speaker 2: what we're gonna be talking about is a little bit
Speaker 2: of the not so humble beginnings of Scientology.
Speaker 3: Bro, I'm gonna be honest with you, this episode might
Speaker 3: get us with some ceasing assist letters because this Church
Speaker 3: of Scientology are some litigious motherfuckers. Okay, they're the type
Speaker 3: that will absolutely subpoena you and make you go to
Speaker 3: court and try to sue you for defaming them and
Speaker 3: all this stuff. Here's the thing, though, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Defamation only can be used if what you're saying is untrue.
Speaker 3: Right now, if I was to come out and say
Speaker 3: person Z over here has murdered fifty five thousand people,
Speaker 3: he needs to be thrown in jail, and he was
Speaker 3: to assume me for defaming his character and all these things,
Speaker 3: and I cannot prove what I just said out loud,
Speaker 3: then yeah, he's got a case. However, you know, if
Speaker 3: I have all the bodies and I could show no,
Speaker 3: here's the fifty five thousand people, he can't sue me
Speaker 3: for defamation. It's not that that works.
Speaker 4: Now the truth works, right, So, and I gotta throw
Speaker 4: a shout out to our boy Sam old spirit Animal
Speaker 4: himself for pointing us into the direction of Operation snow White.
Speaker 2: The conspiracy platypus himself.
Speaker 3: Indeed, I had never heard of Operation snow White before this.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you tell me something shitting on the
Speaker 3: Church of Scientology, look, I'm all ears just on mass right.
Speaker 3: Then I looked into it and there I looked even deeper.
Speaker 3: And then I looked even deeper, and Bro, there's no
Speaker 3: upside to this. There's no redeeming qualities. There's no Oh,
Speaker 3: it's just the government trying to shut down a noble religion. No,
Speaker 3: this is espionage being done from a philosophy cult. And
Speaker 3: it went over like over one hundred countries. They stole
Speaker 3: information from four or five different agencies of the United
Speaker 3: States government, all trying to get l Ron Hubbard's punk
Speaker 3: Gas out of trouble. It's it's wild. It is so wild.
Speaker 3: So before we get into Operation snow White, before we
Speaker 3: get into Miss Paulette aka Miss Loving Okay, trust me,
Speaker 3: that's all gonna make sense here in a minute. Right now,
Speaker 3: What do you specifically know about scientology? Because I only
Speaker 3: knew a very small amount I knew they had. They
Speaker 3: believe in aliens, right, They believe that spaceships are gonna
Speaker 3: come and take the believers away one day, and Tom
Speaker 3: Cruise was the pope at one point. Like that's about
Speaker 3: the extent of what I knew. And l Ron was
Speaker 3: a pulp fiction sci fi writer once upon a time.
Speaker 3: What does Jonathan know about scientology as of right now?
Speaker 2: Well, it was I don't know, probably ten years ago
Speaker 2: that uh Leah Ramini came out and she was talking
Speaker 2: like basically putting it on blast about some of their
Speaker 2: crazy beliefs.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 2: She was saying that literally what they believe, Like one
Speaker 2: of the things that they believe is that each individual,
Speaker 2: like one of your appendages, your fingers, your're like literally
Speaker 2: every single one is a sentient, separate being from yourself
Speaker 2: that you need to communicate with, Okay, Like each one
Speaker 2: of them is like a little god.
Speaker 3: Uh Okay, see there. I was about to ask. Now
Speaker 3: I've heard and you're more of the meditational type than
Speaker 3: I am. I've heard the like, for instances, if you
Speaker 3: are having like stomach pains, you could meditate and kind
Speaker 3: of focus your energy on your stomach and kind of
Speaker 3: make yourself feel better. I've heard some people being able
Speaker 3: to heal themselves from doing certain things like this, very
Speaker 3: deep meditation, very concentrated, uh you know all these things.
Speaker 3: But we're not talking about that. We're talking about like
Speaker 3: your stomach being its own uh sentient being.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're like framing it in a scientific frame,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like they're looking at it
Speaker 2: scientifically and their God, I don't even know what the
Speaker 2: fuck how they would look at it, but like, all right,
Speaker 2: so there's a case to be made that, Yeah, whenever
Speaker 2: you meditate on certain body parts, you know, like there's
Speaker 2: people that meditate on their lungs or you know, certain
Speaker 2: type of organs if they're trying to heal them, and
Speaker 2: you can do that, like I have seen that done
Speaker 2: so many times, especially if you look into like doctor
Speaker 2: Joe Despenza Homie straight up healed his chronic pains, like
Speaker 2: he wasn't even supposed to walk, and he had like
Speaker 2: something really crazy about him, and he healed all of
Speaker 2: that through yoga and meditation. And so it's all about
Speaker 2: just like conscious awareness and guiding your energy or your power,
Speaker 2: your your spiritual light or whatever toward those whatever it is,
Speaker 2: right like so your shoulder, your arm, whatever, And so
Speaker 2: that night I do that.
Speaker 3: That's impossible. I believe that the mind is way more
Speaker 3: powerful than we give it credit for.
Speaker 2: Bro Placebo effect proves that. Sure, absolutely know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 2: but yeah, what they're into is like it's like it's
Speaker 2: almost like like a Greek religion, like a new age
Speaker 2: Greek religion from what I understand, Like in a way,
Speaker 2: like because you're looking up and you're waiting for these
Speaker 2: gods to come and take you, we just call them
Speaker 2: aliens nowadays.
Speaker 3: Right, they call them aliens.
Speaker 2: I mean that's what everybody calls them now. You know
Speaker 2: that like alien. Nobody was calling them aliens two hundred
Speaker 2: years ago. A hundred years ago, people would call them
Speaker 2: gods or spirits or or something like that. It's only
Speaker 2: really like or you would hear, you know, certain alien
Speaker 2: stories about certain creatures coming out of the Earth or whatever.
Speaker 2: But most of the time they were not called aliens.
Speaker 2: They would be called gods, and so I wonder if
Speaker 2: that's what they're referring to.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, And for the record, it's not
Speaker 3: like I am a all knower of scientology after doing a
Speaker 3: little bit of research on this at all. But I
Speaker 3: like how we're looking at this from different angles as
Speaker 3: we do, and we both, I believe, have an incorrect
Speaker 3: beliefs of what scientology believes.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: We're speaking completely out of ignorance here. It's more like
Speaker 3: things that we've heard about, maybe a snippet of something
Speaker 3: that we've read a time or two. We've never attended
Speaker 3: a church meeting of scientology. We don't know for sure.
Speaker 2: I would love it, that's fine. I'm pretty sure. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's a scientology. But it's like they
Speaker 2: have this one church out in Lake Havasu that's where
Speaker 2: like my parents live and where I was born and
Speaker 2: all that, Right in Lake Havasu City, Arizona, they have
Speaker 2: some kind of like scientology church where there it's not
Speaker 2: necessarily Scientology, but it's like a blend of Scientology and Christianity,
Speaker 2: which is really strange.
Speaker 3: To me, bro, I'm telling you this as a friend
Speaker 3: and as a brother, do not ever step foot into
Speaker 3: a scientology church, even if it's for the educational look
Speaker 3: around of it, because as they do, they get all
Speaker 3: of your information and it's oh, let's learn about it
Speaker 3: all right, let's learn about it all good cult members.
Speaker 3: Because it didn't start off to be some philosophy cult.
Speaker 3: It started off from l Ron Hubbard, who was a
Speaker 3: pulp fiction sci fi writer, a very successful one, I
Speaker 3: might add, And everybody loved his sci fi novelettes, if
Speaker 3: you will, like comic books from back in the day.
Speaker 3: And it was called pulp fiction because it was written
Speaker 3: on pulp paper, right, and it was very very cheap
Speaker 3: to manufacture. It was like a penny of page right
Speaker 3: to manufacture these types of comic books. And it was
Speaker 3: understood to be sci fi. So how did a sci
Speaker 3: fi writer go from writing about aliens, writing about cryptids,
Speaker 3: writing about things that was for strictly entertainment by his
Speaker 3: own emission? I might add this in Jaco's words, these
Speaker 3: are his how did he go from that to creating
Speaker 3: something called dianetics, which is ridiculous in and of itself.
Speaker 3: The science behind that is. Have you ever actually, before
Speaker 3: we even get into that, have you ever looked into dianetics?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what that is now, all right?
Speaker 3: So there I was. I was about twelve years old,
Speaker 3: child of God, child, oh for for sure, twelve years old,
Speaker 3: Jacob like full on, And I'm at the flea market
Speaker 3: in Louisiana and I saw this one booth set up.
Speaker 3: These dudes have books, and they got this weird machine right,
Speaker 3: and they've got these two little metal cans that you
Speaker 3: can hold. They're about the size of this hookah vape
Speaker 3: right here. It was a little metal things. They had
Speaker 3: wires connected to this machine and a little meter right,
Speaker 3: a little little peg on it, and it would go
Speaker 3: from zero to ten or whatever. And I was curious
Speaker 3: what the hell this was. And my dad saw the
Speaker 3: name dianetics and knew exactly what it was, but me
Speaker 3: being a curious twelve year old, And you know, my
Speaker 3: dad's not one of them. Don't talk to them people, No,
Speaker 3: that's that's not my father's way, you know, He's never
Speaker 3: been that type. So I sat down and I'm like,
Speaker 3: so what is this? And he's like, so tell you what.
Speaker 3: Why don't you hold these cans and we're going to
Speaker 3: do a test and I'm like, is this going to
Speaker 3: shock me or something? They say, no, no, no, no, not
Speaker 3: at all. I'm going to ask you to start thinking
Speaker 3: about random things from your regular day to day life,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to ask you to stop whenever I
Speaker 3: see something that I think is like causing you stress
Speaker 3: or anxiety or something like that, like, okay, sure. So
Speaker 3: I started thinking about school, friends, relationships, tests, my parents
Speaker 3: and he's like, wait right there, what were you just
Speaker 3: thinking about? I said my parents. He's like, just something
Speaker 3: about them stress you out? And I'm like, at the time, like,
Speaker 3: my parents didn't really we had a great relationship. I wasn't,
Speaker 3: not really. And so whenever he kind of started talking
Speaker 3: to me about this more and I was like, I
Speaker 3: look at my day, he's like, do I need a
Speaker 3: walk away so you can answer honestly, I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: not really. I mean, yeah, my parents punished me from
Speaker 3: time to time. Ooh ah, but like no, it's not
Speaker 3: like I have like a really bad relationship with them.
Speaker 3: They're not abusive, nothing like that. And he's like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: I really think you need to buy this book called
Speaker 3: Dianetics and I'm like, okay, I'm good because he told
Speaker 3: me it was like thirty five dollars and I had
Speaker 3: like ten in my pocket or something like that. But
Speaker 3: before I put the cans down, I started squeezing them
Speaker 3: like crazy, and I watched the thing ping. He's like, well,
Speaker 3: whoa hein he took them from me. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: so there's what in some crazy electrical scientific you literally
Speaker 3: were waiting to see when I would squeeze on these
Speaker 3: cans out of aware.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a like a like an impulse, like a
Speaker 2: subconscious type of impulse that they're reading from the from
Speaker 2: the things that you're holding.
Speaker 3: Now, it's not like to say that that type of
Speaker 3: therapy can't be useful. The goal of scientology philosophy is
Speaker 3: basically to where you can think about and talk about
Speaker 3: and be around whatever and whoever and what all of it,
Speaker 3: and that little needle stays on zero. You basically, through
Speaker 3: a form of not I wouldn't call it immersion therapy,
Speaker 3: but something close to that, you would essentially get to
Speaker 3: where you are calm, cool and collected in any environment.
Speaker 3: And that is a test, not even like the best test,
Speaker 3: but it's a style of therapy that can be used
Speaker 3: for something like that.
Speaker 2: That reminds that kind of resembles like a lot of
Speaker 2: detector test though doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Kind of but goes more off of your heart rate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also measuring like the the the subconscious impulses,
Speaker 2: like what happens whenever you get like a like a jolt,
Speaker 2: Like if you think about something, what is your emotional
Speaker 2: reaction that then causes the physical reaction even if it's
Speaker 2: subconsciously kind of happening. And so that's really like lie
Speaker 2: detector test in a nutshell. Like that's very broad, but
Speaker 2: I feel like this dinetics is kind of talking about
Speaker 2: the same thing. Like it's it's feeding not necessarily off
Speaker 2: of you know, your brain waves or whatever, but there's
Speaker 2: gonna be certain little jolts to your body whenever a
Speaker 2: word is mentioned or a thought is thought of or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 3: You know, there's types of actual therapy, not scientology's fuck
Speaker 3: and bullshit here, but there is types of therapy that
Speaker 3: use something similar to this to help people kind of
Speaker 3: work through trigger points and things like that. Which fine,
Speaker 3: there's actual science to back this up. But the way
Speaker 3: that the scientologists have worked this out is that you
Speaker 3: have two minds within you at all times. You have
Speaker 3: the mechanical mind and the philosophical mind, and your goal
Speaker 3: is to get to where the philosophical mind controls the
Speaker 3: mechanical mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And basically, your body is not going to be
Speaker 3: under the direction of itself. You're only under the direction
Speaker 3: of your mind because you are a mental being inside
Speaker 3: of a physical body. And your physical body they believe
Speaker 3: in reincarnation and things like this. It's so all right.
Speaker 3: That was my earliest experience with anything scientology, and all
Speaker 3: I had known was the term dianetics. I never knew
Speaker 3: l Ron Hubbard, never knew scientology any of these things.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying. They use different small things
Speaker 3: that have like a kernel of truth to them to
Speaker 3: make a wider claim and then they turned it into
Speaker 3: a whole religion. So, without further ado, we're gonna watch
Speaker 3: a little video here and we're gonna learn about scientology explained.
Speaker 3: What is scientology, what do scientologists believe? And who is
Speaker 3: l Ron Hubbard. This is from Illustrate to educate, shout
Speaker 3: out to them on YouTube. Let's learn together, good cult members.
Speaker 6: You might have heard of scientology, but where did it start?
Speaker 6: What exactly do they believe in? Hey, it's Dan Zimmerman
Speaker 6: and welcome back to illustrate to educate. In this short video,
Speaker 6: we'll dive into a detailed explanation of the basics of scientology,
Speaker 6: covering its origins, beliefs, texts, practices.
Speaker 2: And so much more.
Speaker 6: And if you find this video to be helpful, be
Speaker 6: sure to like, comment, shareath to self improvement and spiritual
Speaker 6: enlightenment using a structured system of counseling and self discovery.
Speaker 6: While some view it as a genuine faith, others criticize
Speaker 6: it as a commercial enterprise or a cult. Scientology was
Speaker 6: founded by l Ron Hubbard, an American science fiction writer
Speaker 6: and former naval officer. Before establishing Scientology, Hubbard wrote extensively
Speaker 6: in the science fiction and fantasy genres. In nineteen fifty,
Speaker 6: he published Dionetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health, which
Speaker 6: introduced his theory of the reactive mind, claiming that past
Speaker 6: traumatic experiences called n grams, stored in the subconscious negatively
Speaker 6: affect present behavior.
Speaker 3: The book Okay, so I was wrong? Is the reactive
Speaker 3: mind that's the one that's the thing with, you know,
Speaker 3: the subconscious shit that you're holding within yourself that can
Speaker 3: make your body do other stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, that's more of how you're wired, almost
Speaker 2: be programmed, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, and also I think it needs
Speaker 3: to be said as much as possible, strictly in the
Speaker 3: fantasy and sci fi realm. This guy was an author,
Speaker 3: and then one day enough people were listening to him
Speaker 3: to where he's like, you know what, I'm Jesus, Yeah,
Speaker 3: well I'm jumping ahead of myself. I'm jumping ahead of myself.
Speaker 3: We will get to it.
Speaker 6: Book became a bestseller and sparked the dynetics movement, which
Speaker 6: aimed to help individuals rid themselves of n grams through
Speaker 6: a process called auditing. After the initial dynetics movement lost
Speaker 6: momentum due to financial and organizational struggles, Hubbard refined his
Speaker 6: ideas and formally founded the Church of Scientology in nineteen
Speaker 6: fifty four in Los Angeles, California. He positioned it as
Speaker 6: a religion rather than a self help movement, granting it
Speaker 6: tax exempt status.
Speaker 3: And for the record, the tax exempt status of this
Speaker 3: is where and why Operation snow White came into the picture.
Speaker 3: They operated tax free for a good little bit. Then
Speaker 3: the irs was like, no, you're not a true religion,
Speaker 3: and we're going to need to be taxing you the
Speaker 3: correct way as an organization, and that's what led to
Speaker 3: the undercover espionage. Again, I am getting ahead of myself,
Speaker 3: but I do need to make the mentions as we
Speaker 3: go along here. It's always been about the money. And
Speaker 3: because religions are tax exempt in the great country of
Speaker 3: the United States, you know there's things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of people that absolutely take advantage
Speaker 2: of that. There's no question for sure.
Speaker 3: All right, let's keep going.
Speaker 6: Expanding its spiritual claims. Throughout the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties,
Speaker 6: Scientology expanded globally, establishing churches and recruiting members. Hubbard developed
Speaker 6: new teachings, including the Operating Thetan levels, which claimed to
Speaker 6: unlock extraordinary spiritual abilities. The organization became highly secretive and controlled,
Speaker 6: leading to conflicts with governments and ex members. In the
Speaker 6: nineteen seventies, Scientology faced legal battles, including Operation Snow White,
Speaker 6: a covert program where church members infiltrated US government agencies
Speaker 6: to remove unfavorable information about Scientology.
Speaker 3: Indeed, Operation snow White basically all of the government entities
Speaker 3: had a lot of dirt on them, so they infiltrated
Speaker 3: all of them just to remove that information. And this
Speaker 3: is back before they had everything digitized, right, so all
Speaker 3: they had to do was go in and just take
Speaker 3: out the file and walk out with it and it
Speaker 3: was gone for good. But again jumping way ahead of
Speaker 3: the story, but the fact that we are only two
Speaker 3: and a half minutes into this video and they are
Speaker 3: already bringing up the largest and most successful espionage operation
Speaker 3: in the history of the world, I think it's kind
Speaker 3: of a big deal. Bro.
Speaker 2: You know what you were talking about as far as
Speaker 2: infusing both of your minds, This is exactly what like
Speaker 2: bineural beats it aims to do. Like if you listen
Speaker 2: to binural beats. There's also we've talked about it before
Speaker 2: about the Monroe Institute with the Gateway Process, like those
Speaker 2: Gateway Process tapes. So essentially whenever whenever people go into
Speaker 2: into a meditation, and I'm just getting like psychological over here,
Speaker 2: but whenever people go into a meditation, the goal is
Speaker 2: to like separate your two minds, so like your intellectual,
Speaker 2: like intelligent type of mind, and then like you're subconscious
Speaker 2: and you're trying to really just hone in on your
Speaker 2: subconscious and less about the the other like ego version
Speaker 2: of you in a sense. Right, Well, what the Monroe
Speaker 2: Institute was trying to do with the Gateway process is
Speaker 2: that instead of separating them and only focusing on you know,
Speaker 2: your subconscious mind and not your egoic mind, what they
Speaker 2: were trying to do. They were trying to infuse the
Speaker 2: two and work them and use them to your advantage
Speaker 2: so that you can become like a spiritual intellect as
Speaker 2: you walk in everything. And it's pretty interesting, dude, like
Speaker 2: if you listen to them, because it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: you get one sound in one ear, another sound in
Speaker 2: another ear, and so whenever your brain hears the two
Speaker 2: separate sounds, especially like with headphones on, it like almost
Speaker 2: is rewiring it, and it's teaching it to listen to
Speaker 2: two things at once, which would be almost like teaching
Speaker 2: your ego mind to merge with your subconscious mind in
Speaker 2: that sense. So I'm I just want to throw it
Speaker 2: out there, not saying that that's what these guys are doing,
Speaker 2: because I think that this is like crazy bullshit, But
Speaker 2: you know, there has been efforts to try and be
Speaker 2: able to merge the two minds before I'm.
Speaker 3: With you, I don't really think that plays into this necessarily,
Speaker 3: but I'm with you as far as like kind of
Speaker 3: synchronizing the entirety of the mind, right, And I get
Speaker 3: that this is more it's like they are combining therapy.
Speaker 3: And like they said, it was started as like a
Speaker 3: self help type of thing. Then he twisted it, expanded
Speaker 3: on its spirituality, expanded on its sci fi rhetoric, and
Speaker 3: then tried to call it a religion. You see what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. They like, individually there were small bits of
Speaker 3: it that maybe there was a basis of truth to
Speaker 3: that in some way, shape or form. The self help
Speaker 3: additions and like things that people could apply to their
Speaker 3: lives to help them become a better person. Maybe there
Speaker 3: is something to be said for that. Did you never
Speaker 3: get into their god Zenu? And then when you get
Speaker 3: into the rape allegations and you get into all the
Speaker 3: other stuff and then the giant espionage, It's like, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, It's not like if that was
Speaker 3: all it was was self help, then like we wouldn't
Speaker 3: be having this conversation.
Speaker 2: Why did these always have to have some sexual shit
Speaker 2: to them?
Speaker 3: That's what cults do? Bro not are call them are
Speaker 3: even the ancient cults of ancient Greece. Yes, they all
Speaker 3: had prostitutes in their temples. Religious prostitutes. That's a whole thing.
Speaker 3: It's it's you would have to be a part of it.
Speaker 3: There's like five archetypes to cult leaders, dude, and drugs
Speaker 3: and sex and selling all your possessions to join them.
Speaker 3: And they can have sex with everybody's wives, but they'll
Speaker 3: keep the husbands and wives from having sex. Like this
Speaker 3: is a part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh, that's how you know it's it's just
Speaker 2: gone too damn far, dude.
Speaker 3: That's why whenever it's like like, oh, was there between
Speaker 3: a cult and a religion, it's like, you know, I
Speaker 3: understand outside looking in how those comparisons can be made.
Speaker 3: There is some very key distinct differences between a cult
Speaker 3: and a religion. I'm not even just saying a specific
Speaker 3: I'm saying all true religions versus a cult. There's some
Speaker 3: solid differences. Bro.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of sexual abuse within the church
Speaker 2: as well, so you can't even make that distinction, not.
Speaker 3: On an individual level. A piece of shit that's taking
Speaker 3: advantage of somebody younger than them, or somebody who's subservient
Speaker 3: to them via religious reasons. Fine, but like systemically within
Speaker 3: the religion.
Speaker 2: Okolism is like, that's systemic abuse. They're they're paying out
Speaker 2: like what was it, Like, they've paid out like hundreds
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars for rape allegations.
Speaker 3: But when you look at a cult like Scientology and
Speaker 3: a Catholic church, again, there's a lot of distinct differences
Speaker 3: between the two bro a lot. Okay, So anyway, let's
Speaker 3: keep learning more about this l ron dude. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I just wanted to make the mention since they brought
Speaker 3: up operations snow White and they're gonna just kind of
Speaker 3: glance over it. That is what the premise of this
Speaker 3: entire episode is on. But again, we are only two
Speaker 3: and a half minutes into this episode or into this video,
Speaker 3: and they're already bringing up this massive espionage thing. So
Speaker 3: let's keep going.
Speaker 6: This led to multiple arrests, including the imprisonment of Hubbard's wife,
Speaker 6: Mary Sue Hubbard. After Hubbard's death in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 6: David Miscavige took over as the church's leader. Under his leadership,
Speaker 6: Scientology aggressively expanded its influence, fought legal battles to regain
Speaker 6: tax exempt status, which it achieved in the US in
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety three, and sought to gain celebrity endorsements.
Speaker 3: Is your concealed carry firearms? Now?
Speaker 6: Let's look at some of the core beliefs of scientology.
Speaker 6: Scientology does not adhere to a traditional concept of God. Instead,
Speaker 6: it teaches that individuals are spiritual beings called Thetans, who
Speaker 6: possess godlike potential but have forgotten their true nature. While
Speaker 6: the Church acknowledges the existence of a supreme being or
Speaker 6: infinite it does not define this entity nor require followers
Speaker 6: to believe in a specific deity. Scientology does not consider
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ a divine figure. While Hubbard acknowledges Jesus as
Speaker 6: a historical person, he dismissed Christian teachings as part of
Speaker 6: implanted false memories that were used to control people in
Speaker 6: past lives. Some Scientology texts even suggest that Jesus was
Speaker 6: an inferior spiritual figure compared to Hubbard's insights. Scientology teaches
Speaker 6: that humans are immortal spiritual beings called Thetans, who have
Speaker 6: lived through countless past lives. Even on other planets, Thetans
Speaker 6: are trapped and messed matter, energy, space, and time, and
Speaker 6: must undergo spiritual awakening to reclaim their power. The church's
Speaker 6: goal is to help Thetans free themselves from their limitations
Speaker 6: through auditing and spiritual advancement. Next, let's look at sacred
Speaker 6: texts and teachings. Scientology's key teachings come from the writings
Speaker 6: and lectures of L. Ron Hubbard, which include Number one, dietics,
Speaker 6: the Modern science of mental health, the Foundational.
Speaker 2: It has notes of what I believe to be true.
Speaker 3: But this has had a feeling as we're getting into this,
Speaker 3: I'm like, God, I'm gonna turn him into a scientologe
Speaker 3: before it's all said and done.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'll never bow down to any religion. But
Speaker 2: that being said, like, and that's that's how you pull
Speaker 2: people in, is that you have to give some truth,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's how the news works,
Speaker 2: That's how everything really works. Everything has to have some
Speaker 2: hints of truth. It can't all be one hundred percent
Speaker 2: bullshit that you're never gonna rope anybody in with that.
Speaker 3: There's zero percent truth to anything that has been said
Speaker 3: up until this point as of now.
Speaker 2: Well, that's just our differing spiritual beliefs.
Speaker 3: You're right here, Yeah, fair enough. But yeah, they're appealing
Speaker 3: to as broad of an audience as they can because
Speaker 3: they're pulling a little bit from here, a little bit
Speaker 3: from here, and they're kind of formulating in something that's
Speaker 3: like new and it's completely different and it's so much better,
Speaker 3: and it's like the more you dig into it, though,
Speaker 3: and the more you look into their literature, it's like, ohh,
Speaker 3: so it's just the ramblings of one fucking psychopath that
Speaker 3: people got behind.
Speaker 2: Well, was did this guy pull from any kind of
Speaker 2: Eastern teachings?
Speaker 3: I know he was a sci fi writer.
Speaker 2: I just wonder if he was interested that might be
Speaker 2: something worth looking into. I don't know if he had
Speaker 2: like a guru or maybe he traveled to India or
Speaker 2: something like that, because this is not really that far
Speaker 2: off from what in like U Hindu, Indus and.
Speaker 3: Buddhas believe that as well, reincarnation spiritual being. You're trying
Speaker 3: to break the cycle, Like, that's not a that's not
Speaker 3: a new thing that he just came up with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's flagiarism, That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: And so there's gonna be notes of what some people
Speaker 2: may consider truth.
Speaker 3: And I don't know I on other planets too, Bro,
Speaker 3: He's saying there is absolutely alien life on Saturn, on Venus,
Speaker 3: on Urinus.
Speaker 5: On I mean, I'm not her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna say that. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: believe the planets are really places. I think that they're
Speaker 2: something else. But but I don't know. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not entirely thrown off. I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 2: shit like and that's what I'm trying to say, is
Speaker 2: that he's mixing in bullshit, which what with what other
Speaker 2: people consider truth. Here's something that I don't I don't
Speaker 2: think that a lot of people know. So over in India,
Speaker 2: whether you're Buddhist or Hindu, they're kind of sister religions
Speaker 2: if you really think.
Speaker 3: About it, because of Hinduism, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right right, And so something over in India this I
Speaker 2: actually just recently learned this that there was this. They
Speaker 2: they try and teach their kids at a young age,
Speaker 2: like they're understanding as far as you know, Buddhism or
Speaker 2: Hinduism and stuff like that, and a lot of times
Speaker 2: they like they're like, I don't believe in Shiva or
Speaker 2: or Viknu or Vishnu whatever, I don't know all the names,
Speaker 2: and so they'll like battle up against it. But then
Speaker 2: they go through like this weird sort of awakening process
Speaker 2: and they realize this is according to what they say.
Speaker 2: They realize, oh my God, I am God. And so
Speaker 2: they start having like this crazy experience where they feel
Speaker 2: one with everything, and they go back to their parents
Speaker 2: and they're like, I am God. I figured it out.
Speaker 2: I am God, and the parents are usually always just like, well,
Speaker 2: it's about time you figured that out. So it's like
Speaker 2: it's a completely different understanding of what this reality is
Speaker 2: in the West compared to the East. So I just
Speaker 2: want to throw that out there, like what he's saying
Speaker 2: is not one thousand percent bullshit. That's all I was
Speaker 2: trying to say. Now, he did say some very like
Speaker 2: heinous things, like he believes that he was more spiritually
Speaker 2: advanced or whatever than Jesus. I don't think any fucking
Speaker 2: body believes that outside of this cult.
Speaker 3: There's been a few that have made certain claims like that.
Speaker 3: But again, like we just talked about our boy Hassan
Speaker 3: el Sadik, you know, he thinks the same thing. But again,
Speaker 3: this is a cult leader, just like l Ron So yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it'd be like that.
Speaker 2: But I mean Charlie Mansell was on some shit there
Speaker 2: for a little bit too. If you look into like
Speaker 2: what he was saying, like that, Charles Manson.
Speaker 3: A cult leader, perfect example. That's what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the point that I'm trying to make is
Speaker 2: that you're going to have like these spiritual hippie type
Speaker 2: characters that are actually spitting on some shit, you know,
Speaker 2: but then they're gonna throw their whatever it is that
Speaker 2: gives them power into it as well. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't doubt that the creator of scientology literally saw himself
Speaker 2: as better than Jesus, and he acknowledged that Jesus walked
Speaker 2: the earth. It's like you're just like saying, fuck like that,
Speaker 2: you may as well just wear like an upside down
Speaker 2: cross at that point.
Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't just Jesus he came after, although, like
Speaker 3: in this video, they did bring that up and he
Speaker 3: said that a few times. He was basically coming after
Speaker 3: every religion that did not acknowledge Xenu, the alien god,
Speaker 3: to be the one true creator.
Speaker 2: I never heard of that god before.
Speaker 3: Now, yep, it because it doesn't exist. It only exists
Speaker 3: within scientology books. It's not like that's based off of
Speaker 3: an ancient religion. It's not like there's some like like
Speaker 3: you said, like a far Eastern philosophy that acknowledged it. Like, no,
Speaker 3: he completely made this up because it's a sci fi writer.
Speaker 2: To be fair, there is some kind of witchy magic
Speaker 2: type of stuff out there that believes that you can
Speaker 2: create gods and if you get enough people to believe
Speaker 2: in this god, then they become what is called an egregre.
Speaker 2: And so that agrigor pumps in all of the belief
Speaker 2: and all the emotion and all of the spiritual prayer
Speaker 2: and everything into this god and they say like like
Speaker 2: astrally these things are born. I mean, I created my
Speaker 2: own tulpa, you know, like, and I hope that it
Speaker 2: eventually becomes like an egregre like thor or Odin or
Speaker 2: some shit like that, if I get enough people on it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's what this guy is trying to do.
Speaker 2: He's trying to turn these fictional characters into Edgregre's that's not.
Speaker 3: What he says anyway, He's he is of the belief
Speaker 3: that this is real, although I don't even think l
Speaker 3: actually believes anything. He said he saw it as a
Speaker 3: business opportunity, and he found a lot of gullible people
Speaker 3: to follow in line with it. Then once they got
Speaker 3: the tax exempt status, then he got celebrity endorsements. It
Speaker 3: became a power network. And then once you join this organization,
Speaker 3: they have so much blackmail on you that if you
Speaker 3: ever step out of line, they'll just ruin your entire life,
Speaker 3: which is why not just Leanne or Lena uh lea
Speaker 3: remedi Yeah, not even just her. Pretty much everybody who
Speaker 3: leaves it ends up going back to it because they
Speaker 3: realize like, oh, so I can't work anymore, I'm about
Speaker 3: to lose my house. Because it's not just like oh
Speaker 3: he's got your blackmail. Scientology has crept into multiple, multiple
Speaker 3: police departments, multiple government agencies, not just from Operation snow White,
Speaker 3: like in big ways. You'll get like subpoenad and your
Speaker 3: house taken from you from some other shit that ain't
Speaker 3: got nothing to do with nothing. But then you find
Speaker 3: out that the judge that wrote it up is a member.
Speaker 3: It's shit like that, dude.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, Religious conquerors.
Speaker 3: Home, uh, cult leader conquerors. Yeah, I wouldn't. I'm not
Speaker 3: calling this to religion. There's no way, let's keep going.
Speaker 6: Book explaining the reactive mind and how auditing can remove
Speaker 6: n grams. Two Scientology A History of Man, which describes
Speaker 6: past life experiences and concepts of thetans. Three The Creation
Speaker 6: of Human Ability, which details auditing techniques. Four Advanced Operating
Speaker 6: Thetan materials secret writings only available to high level scientologists.
Speaker 6: One of the most infamous teachings is the Xenu story,
Speaker 6: where Hubbard claimed that seventy five million years ago, a
Speaker 6: glact of ruler named Xenu sent billions of beings to
Speaker 6: Earth then called Tigiak. He killed them with hydrogen bombs
Speaker 6: and trapped their spirits. These spirits, called body thetans, now
Speaker 6: attached to humans and cause mental and emotional problems. Most
Speaker 6: of these teachings are only revealed to members after they
Speaker 6: pay for years of expensive courses.
Speaker 3: So that's a review of the Xenu story.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy you lost it right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Xenu story is a wild one, and if
Speaker 3: you wanted to look it up, there's a lot more
Speaker 3: in depth to it. But yeah, Xenu came down millions
Speaker 3: of years ago, put a bunch of beings on this
Speaker 3: earth and then killed them all with hydrogen bombs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's the new age. You can't flood them.
Speaker 3: That's not the new age. Seventy five million years ago
Speaker 3: is not the new age, big Dog, that's that's pre
Speaker 3: Noah's flood.
Speaker 2: No new age, as in, this guy created this within
Speaker 2: the last one hundred years.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is nineteen fifty three, give or take right, right,
Speaker 3: And the Xenu thing came to fruition because like in
Speaker 3: the Dianetics book, Xenu wasn't created yet in his own
Speaker 3: mind the scientelogy History of Man nineteen fifty two, that
Speaker 3: wasn't creating the Xenu thing. Didn't come out that way
Speaker 3: in that time. Okay, if I'm not mistaken, It came
Speaker 3: out with the secret writings.
Speaker 6: Auditing is the central practice of scientology, similar to counting,
Speaker 6: but structured as a question and answer session. A trained scientologist,
Speaker 6: known as an auditor helps a participant recall past traumas
Speaker 6: using an e meter or an electro psychometer, a device
Speaker 6: that allegedly measures electrical responses in the body. The goal
Speaker 6: is to remove negative n grams and achieve a state
Speaker 6: called clear, where a person is free from subconscious limitations.
Speaker 6: Scientologists advance through a structured spiritual progression known as the
Speaker 6: Bridge to Total Freedom, which includes levels such as Level
Speaker 6: one pre Clear a beginner who undergoes auditing, Level two
Speaker 6: Clear a person free of n grams, and level three
Speaker 6: Operating Thetan levels advanced levels where a scientologist supposedly gains
Speaker 6: extraordinary abilities such as telepathy and mind over matter control.
Speaker 6: Each level requires expensive coursework, with costs reportedly reaching hundreds
Speaker 6: of thousands of dollars for completion. Scientology enforces a strict
Speaker 6: disconnection policy, meaning members must cut ties with critics, former members,
Speaker 6: or family members who are deemed suppressive persons. This has
Speaker 6: led to widespread accusations of family separation and social isolation.
Speaker 3: Again another very clear indication of cult like behavior with
Speaker 3: this group. Dude, like the entire breakdown of it's super
Speaker 3: expensive to get to the upper levels. You got to
Speaker 3: cut out every single person of your life. That's not
Speaker 3: about it, section yourself away from your friends and family.
Speaker 3: It's it's insane. He basically just used another model of
Speaker 3: a cult, but use Sci Fi behind it. But yeah.
Speaker 6: Scientology also heavily recruits celebrities through the Celebrity Center, offering
Speaker 6: them privileged status within the church. Some of the most
Speaker 6: famous Scientologists have included Tom Cruise, John Travolta, and Elizabeth Moss.
Speaker 6: Scientology uses these figures to promote its public image while
Speaker 6: suppressing criticism. Lastly, let's look at some of the controversies
Speaker 6: and criticisms that surround Scientology. Critics argue that Scientology operates
Speaker 6: more like a business than a religion, requiring members to
Speaker 6: pay large sums of money for courses, auditing, and spiritual progress.
Speaker 6: Some ex members have described it as a pay to
Speaker 6: play system that pressures people into financial hardship. Scientology has
Speaker 6: a history of aggressive litigation and intimidation tactics against former members, journalists,
Speaker 6: and government officials. The Fair Game policy, created by Hubbard
Speaker 6: once permitted Scientologists to attack or ruin critics by any
Speaker 6: means necessary. Although the church claims this policy is no
Speaker 6: longer in effect, many ex scientologists report continued harassment. Numerous
Speaker 6: former members have accused the church of abusive practices, including
Speaker 6: forced labour in the Sea Organization, a religious order within
Speaker 6: Scientology where members signed billion year contracts and work under extreme.
Speaker 3: Conditions billion year contracts. Can you imagine that? Yeah, leaving
Speaker 3: in whatever is being told to you so hard that
Speaker 3: you're willing to sign a billion year contract to be
Speaker 3: basically an enslaved worker within the organization.
Speaker 2: Like selling your soul is really what that is? A
Speaker 2: billion years?
Speaker 3: I mean basically because they also believe that you know,
Speaker 3: you're going to jump to another body, but that body
Speaker 3: is somehow going to also know about scientology and go
Speaker 3: straight to it and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: I guess is it considered selling your soul to them?
Speaker 2: Or is it giving over your soul? Like how how
Speaker 2: do you think they look at that?
Speaker 3: I don't think you're selling it. And it's not like
Speaker 3: signing that contract means that you get to go to
Speaker 3: these secret classes. You still have to pay hundreds of
Speaker 3: thousands of dollars for the coursework. So it's it's more
Speaker 3: or less just like legally binding contracts saying you're never
Speaker 3: gonna leave, I guess, and by never they do mean ever.
Speaker 2: That sounds kind of like a lot like the uh,
Speaker 2: the music industry as well, Like whenever you sign a
Speaker 2: record label, they'll tell you that like it's the the
Speaker 2: contract is for infinity or some crazy shit like that.
Speaker 3: In h didn't Dave Chappelle even talk about that? He
Speaker 3: can't even like go to Mars and start a Chappelle
Speaker 3: show because Comedy Central owns the name the Chappelle Show
Speaker 3: in all of the universe and all the galaxy for
Speaker 3: all eternity. And that was like how it was worded
Speaker 3: on the contract.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, so yeah, that's it seems to rhyme
Speaker 2: with a lot of shit here. It's a it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that Elizabeth Moss was in that That's
Speaker 2: All Girl from Handmaids till.
Speaker 3: I could believe it. I didn't know that, but I
Speaker 3: could believe it.
Speaker 2: And John Travolt's yeah, I know John Travolta was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't know about John Travolta. I think I only
Speaker 2: ever knew about Tom Cruise and Lea Rimini.
Speaker 3: So John Travolta, actually there's interviews where he talks about it.
Speaker 3: He's he's Tom Cruise was like their acting leader for
Speaker 3: a good bit because I think, oh, the guy it
Speaker 3: took over after l Ron. I think he took a
Speaker 3: break from it or fell out of power or whatever
Speaker 3: the case was. I don't know if Tom Cruise is
Speaker 3: still currently running it, but I know that he was
Speaker 3: like whatever the highest level of pinnacle of whatever the
Speaker 3: fuck he's that guy. But also, whenever you look at
Speaker 3: the course work costing that much money, yeah, it would
Speaker 3: make sense because only people with a super high tax
Speaker 3: bracket and a super high income could even afford to
Speaker 3: get this special book to learn this quote unquote secret knowledge.
Speaker 2: Oh so, I mean, here we go with Elizabeth Moss, says.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Moss is a longtime member of the Church of
Speaker 2: Scientology and has spoken about her faith and interviews, emphasizing
Speaker 2: that it is not a closed off religion and encouraging
Speaker 2: people to learn about it for themselves. Despite her involvement,
Speaker 2: she has faced criticism, especially from fans of her show
Speaker 2: The Handmaid's Tale, who draw parallels between the show's themes
Speaker 2: and Scientology.
Speaker 3: I mean it's a cult following in Handmaid's Tale.
Speaker 2: I kind of want to go back and watch it
Speaker 2: now that we have that perspective.
Speaker 3: Now, it kind of it. It goes off the rails
Speaker 3: pretty quickly, and it's a it's final episode just aired,
Speaker 3: or it's about to air, And from what I've been told,
Speaker 3: people are so fucking pissed off at it right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, They didn't.
Speaker 3: Stick to the books like that. The books were super successful.
Speaker 3: If you would have just stuck to the script on that,
Speaker 3: you would have had a super successful show. But of
Speaker 3: course they can't just.
Speaker 2: Do that that it'd be crazy, But so it says.
Speaker 2: There are reports suggesting that John Travolta's involvement with the
Speaker 2: Church of Scientology may be waning, especially following personal losses
Speaker 2: in his life. However, as of now, he has not
Speaker 2: officially left the church.
Speaker 3: All right, there's no way he could leave. He's too
Speaker 3: deep in it. But yeah, he's he's a member. He's
Speaker 3: not the type that's gonna go out there and shout
Speaker 3: from the rooftops all of the rhetoric, but he's definitely
Speaker 3: a member.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I'm about to Is it cool if I
Speaker 2: say some of the names that like are in it
Speaker 2: currently and that's left. So Jerry Seinfeld used to be
Speaker 2: in it, he left?
Speaker 3: Kay?
Speaker 2: Who else? Michael Pina he's currently in it?
Speaker 3: No, you know?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: He was Jake Gyllenhall's boy an end up watch the
Speaker 2: Mexican guy.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I could see him being a member for sure.
Speaker 2: Damn I really like him.
Speaker 3: Uh uh uh.
Speaker 2: Laura Prepond, oh fucking redhead from that seventy show.
Speaker 3: She left it absolutely, she's a member.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she left it. Elizabeth Moss is currently still in
Speaker 2: Katie Holmes left what she was married to Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, she got brainwashed bad, Like she is not
Speaker 3: mentally okay these days.
Speaker 2: Oh. Juliette Lewis, she's she's still in it. If you
Speaker 2: remember you know her, she's Oh, she was in old
Speaker 2: school whenever uh Luke fucking what's his name came home.
Speaker 2: It was like in the of the movie, it was
Speaker 2: the girl that he was dating, and he came home
Speaker 2: and she was like all.
Speaker 3: These other dudes having the gang bang yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was like, I'm into this and then
Speaker 2: he saw all the other people. Nicole Kidman left good for.
Speaker 3: Her, although now she's in a movie where she's like
Speaker 3: super old dating a twenty year old assistant. It's it's weird.
Speaker 3: There's like some crazy sex scenes in it, and it's
Speaker 3: like apparently they were actually having sex on camera. Oh,
Speaker 3: she got mad and had to stop filming because she
Speaker 3: was getting too turned on and like they filmed it
Speaker 3: so much that she had to, like her body needed
Speaker 3: to take breaks, and it's like what do you what
Speaker 3: do you mean with that one? Like you you mean
Speaker 3: like your emotions need to take a break, or your
Speaker 3: she said, her body like, as.
Speaker 2: In she had to go change on pannies, girl.
Speaker 3: As in her pussy was getting pounded so much. You
Speaker 3: needed to take a little breather. That's look, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Usually sex scenes and movies there's like very strategic, like
Speaker 3: pieces of cardboard that are placed, or a sheet that's
Speaker 3: in the way, or something like that. There have been
Speaker 3: instances where actors have gone, uh, the extra mile for
Speaker 3: the film. Apparently she's doing that right now. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay. Uh, Kirsty Ali's still in it. Okay, Oh that's
Speaker 2: interesting one. Jason Lee left. So that's a old boy
Speaker 2: from My name is Earl.
Speaker 3: Oh god, okay, what else?
Speaker 2: Giovanni? Oh shit, I didn't. I never knew this guy's name,
Speaker 2: Giovanni Ribissi. If you remember, he was Nicholas nick Cage's
Speaker 2: brother in Gone in Sixty Seconds. Oh really he is
Speaker 2: currently in it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2: Christopher Reeve left Old Superman all right.
Speaker 3: Wait, didn't he die?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he eventually ended up dying, but he left before
Speaker 2: he died. Okay, okay, Uh, Jenna Elfman, who the fuck?
Speaker 3: Is that.
Speaker 2: I don't know who that is, Mimi. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: name some of the Oh. Oh, Ethan Superley is in
Speaker 2: it also, he's my name is Earl the co main character,
Speaker 2: the big guy, the big Guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, Louis last I can remember the Titans. Dude.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he's in it.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 3: He just went through a crazy transformation. He's like killing
Speaker 3: it right now. He's got like he's a powerlifter. Now
Speaker 3: he lost a bunch of weight. But like I didn't
Speaker 3: know he was a Scientology member, but all.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah yeah. Then there's Beck the music guy.
Speaker 3: I could see that.
Speaker 2: John Travolta's course in it. Who else do we god?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 2: Nancy Cartwright is still in it. So she's the voice
Speaker 2: of Bart Simpson. Oh okay, we're always worrying about, like,
Speaker 2: you know, curious about how the Simpsons always get it right?
Speaker 2: Could it be because of Scientology.
Speaker 3: I don't know when she became a member. The Simpson's
Speaker 3: been on the air for quite some time. But then
Speaker 3: again Scientology to get their religious status put back in
Speaker 3: ninety three, So I mean, hey, who knows?
Speaker 2: Well it says she's been a long time voice of
Speaker 2: Bart Simpson and has been an avid scientologist for decades.
Speaker 2: Damn all right, Bart Simpson is a scientologist. Who would
Speaker 2: have thought so.
Speaker 3: Like you said, they are looking for celebrity endorsements, right, and.
Speaker 2: That Danny Masterson. Isn't it really that seventy show?
Speaker 3: Yep? Again I could see it. Yeah, Danny Madison was hyde, right,
Speaker 3: the one who's in Jena right now for pedophilia. Yep. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that kind of checks out.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to believe that whenever that came out, Dude.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to. But I mean it's also not
Speaker 3: crazy to believe that.
Speaker 7: Ah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You got to be able to separate the character
Speaker 2: on screen from the person in real life. It's hard
Speaker 2: to do that for some people, you know, especially like
Speaker 2: if you love a character like you know, one thing
Speaker 2: for me is like it would be really hard for
Speaker 2: me to hear something like rapie or cult like rapee
Speaker 2: with like Johnny Depp for example, Like, I mean, he
Speaker 2: has his own shit with old Amber heard he's definitely
Speaker 2: tied in with some wild people. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that would be one that would be fucking
Speaker 2: hard to separate.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying this like I know something or anything.
Speaker 3: But it wouldn't shock me if he was on the
Speaker 3: Epstein flight log or was that a diddy party like that?
Speaker 3: Doesn't that wouldn't sound crazy to me whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wouldn't shock me. It would just hurt me.
Speaker 3: I feel that.
Speaker 2: So anyway, let's get back to it. I just want
Speaker 2: to throw out some names in case anybody, because I
Speaker 2: didn't know almost all of those names that were in it,
Speaker 2: or even the names that left, so just to throw
Speaker 2: a little perspective on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So now we're gonna talk about a
Speaker 3: lady named paul Ette Cooper before we talk about Operation
Speaker 3: snow White. This lady, in particular, Scientology waged war against
Speaker 3: her and she never really had anything against them until
Speaker 3: they came at her. Honestly, the stories are insane. The
Speaker 3: level of field work as far as spy games goes,
Speaker 3: that they did on this woman to make a point
Speaker 3: is insane. So not going to go into the whole
Speaker 3: overview here, we could read this first paragraph and the
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say a little bit about her early life
Speaker 3: and then we're going to talk about the controversy.
Speaker 2: So paul Add Cooper born in nineteen forty two, she's
Speaker 2: still alive.
Speaker 3: I oh, so she's age eighty two, so she must
Speaker 3: still be a love I love that.
Speaker 2: As an American author and journalist who's writing against the
Speaker 2: Church of Scientology resulted in harassment from Scientologist. An early
Speaker 2: critic of the church, she published The Scandal of Scientology
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy one. She endured many years of attacks
Speaker 2: from church leadership and their agents, including lawsuitsmear campaigns, overt
Speaker 2: and covert surveillance, outright threats, and even a criminal frame
Speaker 2: up church and founder are Church founder and leader l
Speaker 2: Ron Hubbert was reportedly obsessed with her and personally plotted
Speaker 2: a against her. The Church of Scientology instituted a total
Speaker 2: of nineteen lawsuits against Cooper from all over the world.
Speaker 2: She countersued them three times before finally settling with the
Speaker 2: church in nineteen eighty five. Cooper has authored or co
Speaker 2: authored nearly two dozen books, covering a wide range of
Speaker 2: topics including travel, missing persons, psychics, pets, in addition to Scientology.
Speaker 2: Her books have sold close to half a million copies
Speaker 2: in total.
Speaker 3: Good for so a little bit about her backstory. She
Speaker 3: was born in nineteen forty two in occupied Belgium from
Speaker 3: the Nazis and her parents She's Jewish if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 3: and her parents were sent to Auschwitz. Okay, so she
Speaker 3: was an orphan Long story short. She ends up in America.
Speaker 3: She was adopted by an American family. There was a
Speaker 3: lot of back in the day. There was a lot
Speaker 3: of stipulations to who could and could not adopt. If
Speaker 3: you were too old, or if you were a gay
Speaker 3: couple or even suspected of being a gay couple or whatever,
Speaker 3: you were not going to be allowed to adopt a
Speaker 3: child regardless. So there was kind of these underground ways
Speaker 3: of doing it right, kind of off the books ways
Speaker 3: of adopting children, especially from Europe after World War Two,
Speaker 3: when all of these adults were killed or lost or
Speaker 3: whatever the case. They had a lot of kids and
Speaker 3: needed to find homes.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of those orphanages were like like
Speaker 2: church like churches that were administering that kind of stuff, right.
Speaker 3: Typically, typically orphanages are ran by religious organizations. Right. So,
Speaker 3: long story short, she makes her way to America. She
Speaker 3: gets with a great mom and dad who love her.
Speaker 3: They adopt her all of the stuff. Now, let's jump
Speaker 3: in with the conflict with scientology. It says BPDQ, real quick.
Speaker 3: It's a worldwide advertising agency network with headquarters in New
Speaker 3: York City. So just whenever we use that acronym, understand
Speaker 3: that that's what I was talking about. She had got
Speaker 3: a job there. But anyway, the conflict with scientology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's BBDO, not Q, says, excuse me or Cooper's
Speaker 2: interest in scientology began with a disturbing visit from a
Speaker 2: former bbd O colleague. The man told her that through
Speaker 2: his involvement with scientology, he had learned that he had
Speaker 2: learned he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. So many
Speaker 2: people just want to be this guy, right.
Speaker 3: Even though they just said that he wasn't more enlightened
Speaker 3: than Hubbard. But this random member of the church came
Speaker 3: and told her, by the way on the reincarnation of
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, and also, by the way, God has decided
Speaker 3: that I get to rape you now.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, he announced that, yeah, and says, but Cooper
Speaker 2: managed to get him out of her apartment without incident.
Speaker 2: She called her. She called a former boyfriend who had
Speaker 2: himself experimented with scientology and told him about the visitors
Speaker 2: claimed that he was Jesus maybe he really is. The
Speaker 2: ex boyfriend said Cooper.
Speaker 3: Hye, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, let's let's let's
Speaker 3: not sidestep over that one. Okay, So, and the entire
Speaker 3: story of what happened. Basically, she was like in a
Speaker 3: nightgown or something at her in her apartment. This guy
Speaker 3: came over and I'm not sure if it was to
Speaker 3: give her a statement or like as a source for
Speaker 3: an article or whatever, but he straight up told her
Speaker 3: I'm Jesus and I'm going to rape you now because
Speaker 3: God told me I can do that. She basically was like,
Speaker 3: I think God told you to take a picture of
Speaker 3: me first though, right, And he's like, yes, yes he did.
Speaker 3: And so she like got the camera and did this
Speaker 3: and this and kind of led him out of the
Speaker 3: apartment to get a shot and then locked the door.
Speaker 3: So like she got him out and coerced him out.
Speaker 3: Calls the ex boyfriend, who kind of dabbled a little bit.
Speaker 3: His response was like, oh my God, are you okay?
Speaker 3: Call the cops? This and this. Wait the guy said
Speaker 3: he was Jesus. That's crazy. His response was, yeah, but
Speaker 3: like maybe he is Jesus.
Speaker 2: Well, that's probably somebody who has something negative to say
Speaker 2: about Christianity though, But.
Speaker 3: It's scientologists, is my point. The level of asinine backasswords
Speaker 3: thinking that goes into this. It's like, well, I mean,
Speaker 3: if he said he was Jesus, how do you know
Speaker 3: he's not bro he was about to Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: mean maybe he was.
Speaker 2: Though, gotta put that divine seed in your baby, that's
Speaker 2: so fucking stupid. Yeah. So Cooper, thinking that she may
Speaker 2: have stumbled on an intriguing story subject, signed up for
Speaker 2: an introductory communication course at the local Scientology Org. Between sessions,
Speaker 2: she explored the facility, asking questions and even taking several
Speaker 2: documents from an office. One document listed deemed suppressive person's
Speaker 2: enemies of Scientology. She began work on a Scientology article
Speaker 2: in earnest. She later said of her motivation to write
Speaker 2: about Scientology in quotes, I had a master's degree in
Speaker 2: psychology and had studied comparative religion at Harvard for a summer.
Speaker 2: And what I learned during my research about the group
Speaker 2: founded by l. Ron Hubbard was both fascinating and frightening.
Speaker 2: The story cried out to be told.
Speaker 3: So then she writes an article that gets published in
Speaker 3: Queen magazine, and that is pretty much where all of
Speaker 3: her conflict really came from. It started with the Queen article.
Speaker 2: So through interviews with her former church or with former
Speaker 2: church members, Cooper learned about the organization's internal methods of
Speaker 2: control and the harassment of those who left. When the
Speaker 2: United States FDA Food and Drug Administration rated the Washington
Speaker 2: rated the Washington d C Church in nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 2: Agents and Police sees thousands of pages of documents, from
Speaker 2: which Cooper gleaned additional insights. She also procured a copy
Speaker 2: of the Anderson Report, a damning nineteen sixty five indictment
Speaker 2: of the church from the Australian state of Victoria, which
Speaker 2: denounced the church's methods as psychologically abusive and recommended banning it.
Speaker 2: The church's already litigious reputation made many publications wary of
Speaker 2: Scientology stories. Nevertheless, London's Queen magazine eventually included Cooper's article,
Speaker 2: titled that the Tragy Farce of Scientology, in its December
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine issue. It was the last issue before
Speaker 2: it was absorbed into Harper's Bazaar. While it mainly addressed
Speaker 2: the harassment of Scientology critics, it was the first Scientology
Speaker 2: story to delve into sexual misconduct by church auditors. Shortly
Speaker 2: after its publication, Cooper received two anonymous telephone death threats
Speaker 2: warning her to stop writing about Scientology.
Speaker 3: So the death threats kane, okay. Then they started trying
Speaker 3: to frame her for crimes as she didn't commit. Then
Speaker 3: they sek their secret organization after her, the Guardians. But
Speaker 3: we're going to get to those in a moment.
Speaker 2: Cooper leveraged her research for the magazine article to produce
Speaker 2: a twenty two chapter book called The Scandal of Scientology,
Speaker 2: subtitled A Chilling Examination of the nature, beliefs and practices
Speaker 2: of the now Religion. She pitched this episode this expose
Speaker 2: as a trove of exciting, interesting, unknown, controversial material. Despite
Speaker 2: multiple lawsuits from the Church of Scientology, Tower Publications released
Speaker 2: the book in June nineteen seventy one. It's appendix, The
Speaker 2: Scientologist's Story included authors questions with answers provided by David Gaiman,
Speaker 2: then the public relations director of Scientology in England. Soon
Speaker 2: after publication, the Church sued Cooper for libel over the
Speaker 2: Queen Magazine article, though Harper's Bizarre settled the matter quickly.
Speaker 2: In December, the Church followed with the lawsuit against the
Speaker 2: book itself in Los Angeles Superior Court alleging untrue libelists
Speaker 2: and defamatory statements about the Church Tower. Publications would buy
Speaker 2: itself out of the lawsuit in late nineteen seventy three,
Speaker 2: to Cooper's disappointment. A Scientology defector would later claim that
Speaker 2: she saw a copy of the Scandal of Scientology and
Speaker 2: the lounge of the Apollo, the flagship of the Scientology's
Speaker 2: sea organization.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that Sea org is a whole other thing too,
Speaker 3: so and not to jump ahead again. So l Rom
Speaker 3: was under indictment for so many different things that basically
Speaker 3: he created a sea fleet of yachts. He had three
Speaker 3: of them. It was the Apollo, the Diana, and the Artemis,
Speaker 3: I think, and he just basically kept these boats in
Speaker 3: international waters so that no country who was looking for
Speaker 3: him to arrest him could find him. He would only
Speaker 3: drop off in port for maybe a day or two
Speaker 3: to spread his message in bullshit and rhetoric, and then
Speaker 3: get back out to air national waters before the country
Speaker 3: even knew he was there. And that was his life
Speaker 3: for a few years. Again, kind of a massive red flag.
Speaker 3: As you trying to sound like you're a religious leader.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Then there were attacks by the Guardian's Office. So by
Speaker 2: early nineteen seventy one, Cooper was being targeted by the
Speaker 2: Guardian's Office of the Church of Scientology, since superseded by
Speaker 2: the Office of Special Affairs or OSA. This organization, linked
Speaker 2: to church founder A. Ron Hubbard's wife, Mary Sue, was
Speaker 2: the Church's sophisticated spy and intelligence operation. They heard about
Speaker 2: Cooper's book and tried to stop its publication through various means.
Speaker 2: They used the church's legal apparatus to threaten her publisher
Speaker 2: with lawsuits. While she was visiting Scotland for a travel story,
Speaker 2: dozens of strangers staked staked out her home, tell and
Speaker 2: some followed, photographed, or even called her. David Gaiman, also
Speaker 2: a GEO operative, even met her at the airport with
Speaker 2: fake ritz for libel.
Speaker 3: So real quick. The Guardian's Office was their secret police
Speaker 3: of Scientology. It wasn't just like four or five members
Speaker 3: close to the top that kind of had an extra,
Speaker 3: you know, extra stick up their ass towards her. This
Speaker 3: was an extremely sophisticated spy network that was international. The
Speaker 3: Guardian organ The Guardian's Office is the group that launched
Speaker 3: the Snow White operation, which had thousands of spies get
Speaker 3: caught in espionage. Damn no, I mean like two thousand.
Speaker 3: I mean like thirteen thousand.
Speaker 2: So in early nineteen seventy two, a Guardian's Office memo
Speaker 2: referred to Cooper as an unhandled attacker of Scientology, and
Speaker 2: the organization stepped up its surveillance and harassment. They researched
Speaker 2: her past, her personal life, and even her college grades.
Speaker 2: Cooper received many obscene phone calls and some threatening ones.
Speaker 2: Damage her telephone line suggested someone had eavesdropped on her
Speaker 2: and March.
Speaker 3: With the obscene phone calls, she had multiple dudes every
Speaker 3: day calling her describing what they were going to do
Speaker 3: to her when they got their hands on her. It
Speaker 3: was do you think the guy claiming to be Jesus
Speaker 3: saying that now I can rape you? Thing was bad?
Speaker 3: This was the worst of the worst of what they
Speaker 3: were planning to do with her with a physical and
Speaker 3: sexual evil behind him. Every day she received multiple phone
Speaker 3: calls about this.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that email that we got from like
Speaker 2: Islamic terrorist or some bullshit that was threatening to like
Speaker 2: rape our wives and rape our kids and you know,
Speaker 2: and dude, that was like less than a year ago.
Speaker 2: We got that. So there are absolutely people out there
Speaker 2: that will like say disgusting shit like that, like in
Speaker 2: the name of their own religion, and it's fucking weird.
Speaker 3: Dude. This is to kind of make her stop because
Speaker 3: they knew. They tried bringing her to court, but they
Speaker 3: couldn't because what she was talking about they couldn't deny.
Speaker 3: So they kept trying to handle out of court and
Speaker 3: all this stuff. Then they tried to keep the book
Speaker 3: from being published. Then they were just trying to silence
Speaker 3: her and aside from killing her, which we will get to,
Speaker 3: they were trying to just make her stop talking.
Speaker 2: Also in March, Cooper was named as one of the
Speaker 2: eighteen defendants in another church lawsuit, which alleged a conspiracy
Speaker 2: to produce Robert Kauffman Kaufman's book Inside Scientology. This connection
Speaker 2: put her in contact with l Ron Hubbard aka NIBBs,
Speaker 2: son of the church founder.
Speaker 3: Elron Hubbard Junior, Oh John or this was called Nibs.
Speaker 3: So this was the son of l Ron Hubbard and
Speaker 3: he did her so fucking dirty on this one, dude.
Speaker 2: So he was the son of the church founder and
Speaker 2: a prominent Scientology defector. Together, they collaborated on a long essay,
Speaker 2: a look inside Scientology while staying with Cooper's parents, Cooper, NIBBs,
Speaker 2: and Kaufman Discover to discuss their work on multiple radio
Speaker 2: and television programs. Internal GO memos suggest the organization considered
Speaker 2: plans to ruin Cooper's father, Ted's finances and diamond businesses,
Speaker 2: thus cutting off one of PC's financial supports. An impostor
Speaker 2: had her phone briefly disconnected a scandal she'd circulated accusing
Speaker 2: Cooper of sexual deviancy in writing pornography, writing pornography.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so basically when she moved to a whole
Speaker 3: new apartment complex, they had pamphlets that were being handed
Speaker 3: out saying that she was a pedophile and that she
Speaker 3: was like a sexual deviant and all these disgusting things.
Speaker 3: It was a new apartment complex. Nobody in this place
Speaker 3: knew she was living in New York City. They don't
Speaker 3: know who this random woman is, but the Scientology members
Speaker 3: just started spreading these flyers with her name, making all
Speaker 3: these crazy claims. L Ron's son Nibs. Okay, there was
Speaker 3: a bomb threat that was called in multiple bomb threats
Speaker 3: that were called into the Scientology Church's main headquarters. Right,
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure if they're going to get into
Speaker 3: it on this one or if it's on a later article,
Speaker 3: but just the quick you know, TLDR of this one,
Speaker 3: one of the bomb threat threats was typed up on
Speaker 3: her stationary from her typewriter and had one of her
Speaker 3: fingerprints on the back. She couldn't figure out how the
Speaker 3: fuck because she of course didn't write this. She's not
Speaker 3: a terrorist, she was a reporter. But how did the
Speaker 3: Scientology group get into her apartment and get on her typewriter?
Speaker 3: Then she realized, oh shit, nibs because he left the
Speaker 3: church for ten years and then went back to him.
Speaker 3: So then the whole house. They got the fingerprint on
Speaker 3: the back. There was a couple of wild stories about
Speaker 3: how they probably accomplished that one as well. Y'all we're
Speaker 3: talking real spy work, real field craft to get this
Speaker 3: to make her look framed for these crimes. She was
Speaker 3: acquainted of everything for obvious reasons. But like that is
Speaker 3: the level they were going to ruin her life?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is It sounds like it's before in the
Speaker 2: before the day and age of computers before you could
Speaker 2: plant like child pornography on a computer. Like a lot
Speaker 2: of that shit goes on even nowadays. And they know that,
Speaker 2: Like that's the best thing you can do if you're
Speaker 2: trying to frame somebody, because who's gonna stick up for
Speaker 2: the pedophile, you know exactly. And so it's a psychological
Speaker 2: mind fuck, is really what they do with that. But
Speaker 2: they're I mean to be honest, if it's it's genius
Speaker 2: and it's evil genius shit.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, and that's that was what the Guardian Organization
Speaker 3: was doing, the Guardian Office.
Speaker 2: Right right, So where we uh, Operation Dynamite right here?
Speaker 3: In March?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, In March, Cooper sued the New York Church
Speaker 2: of Scientology for fifteen point four million, hoping to stop
Speaker 2: the harassment. Also in March, Cooper was named as one
Speaker 2: of the eighteen defendants. No I read that.
Speaker 3: Ohh okay, okay, sorry as I sorry. So the son
Speaker 3: of the co founder discussed the work internal GEO membo. Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: we're good. Operation Dynamite.
Speaker 2: Oh so in nineteen seventy In nineteen seventy two, the
Speaker 2: GEO launched Operation Dynamite to attempt commitment procedures on Cooper.
Speaker 2: A critical sequence of developments and suspicious events occurred in
Speaker 2: December of nineteen seventy two, the sixth. In December sixth,
Speaker 2: Cooper signed a petition offered to her by a Canvasser
Speaker 2: named is that Canvasser?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically the people that are sitting outside like saying, hey,
Speaker 3: will you sign this petition to do this and do
Speaker 3: this okay?
Speaker 2: Named Margie. On the eighth, the Church of Scientology in
Speaker 2: New York received the first of two poorly written bomb threats.
Speaker 2: The church alerted the FBI, naming Cooper as as a
Speaker 2: possible suspect Jesus the thirteenth. The second threat was hand
Speaker 2: delivered to the church the fifteenth. Cooper moved to a
Speaker 2: new apartment. The nineteenth, Cooper's cousin was attacked by an
Speaker 2: armed intruder while staying at Cooper's old apartment. Oh probably
Speaker 2: aimed at her right.
Speaker 3: They were coming after her, but she had already moved.
Speaker 2: Then, in February nineteen seventy three, some anonymous flyers appeared
Speaker 2: all over Cooper's new apartment building, accusing her of various
Speaker 2: sexual perversions, including pedophilia. Cooper suspected her ex boyfriend from
Speaker 2: BBDO had provided the Church of Scientology with certain details
Speaker 2: mentioned in the letter, details also hinted at in the
Speaker 2: first bomb threat. The pedophilia claim was oddly similar to
Speaker 2: an incident involving a church auditor that she had researched
Speaker 2: for her book. Soon after, Cooper received a federal grand
Speaker 2: jury subpoena and learned that she was a prime suspect
Speaker 2: in the bomb threats. At the hearing, the prosecutor revealed
Speaker 2: that Cooper's fingerprint was found on the second bomb threat letter.
Speaker 2: Both writers letters were also linked to Cooper's typewriter. NIBBs
Speaker 2: had reconciled with Scientology in the fall of nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: two and probably provided intelligence on Cooper. Details about Cooper
Speaker 2: in the first bomb threat letter suggested that he may
Speaker 2: have helped write it. He also had access to her
Speaker 2: typewriter while they were collaborating. Cooper would later see letters
Speaker 2: from NIBBs to his father in which he claim to
Speaker 2: be actively working against his father's in quotes enemies. Such
Speaker 2: individuals fell under Scientology's fair game policy, meaning may may
Speaker 2: be deprived of property or injured by any means by
Speaker 2: any Scientologist and tricked sued or lied or destroyed. Damn.
Speaker 2: That's written within it.
Speaker 3: That's a part of their religious text, if.
Speaker 2: You will, a little bit of the dogma there. So
Speaker 2: it says Cooper's fingerprints on the second letter may have
Speaker 2: come from Nibs or from the petition she signed in
Speaker 2: early December.
Speaker 3: So I've heard a couple of different reports on this one, right,
Speaker 3: So the person with the petition, it is possible that
Speaker 3: NIBBs had typed up the bomb threat and had that
Speaker 3: like on the back of the clipboard, and when Cooper
Speaker 3: came and grabbed the clipboard to sign the petition, that's
Speaker 3: how they got the fingerprints. There's another story that happened
Speaker 3: where like this guy was at a bar that you frequented, right,
Speaker 3: and he had this piece of paper on a clipboard.
Speaker 3: It was like a dad joke, and he was like
Speaker 3: showing everybody at the bar, and he was trying to
Speaker 3: get Cooper to take the clipboard and read it, but
Speaker 3: she kind of looked over her shoulder and read it
Speaker 3: rather than just took it. Right. Two days later, the
Speaker 3: same guy is outside of her apartment showing anybody that
Speaker 3: will look another stupid, corny dad joke on a clipboard,
Speaker 3: and Cooper actually picked it up this time and took
Speaker 3: it and read it, and I was like, a haha, whatever,
Speaker 3: next thing, you know, her fingerprints are found on this
Speaker 3: bomb thread. We're talking true spycraft fieldwork. Dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it sounds like. So on May seventeenth,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three, Cooper was indicted in connection with the threats.
Speaker 2: By this time, the GEO had come to refer to
Speaker 2: the campaign against Cooper as Operation Lovely, since her code
Speaker 2: name and internal GO correspondences was missus Lovely. While she
Speaker 2: awaited trial, Cooper depended heavily on several close friends, two
Speaker 2: of whom turned out to be agents of the Church
Speaker 2: of Scientology. Paula end quotes, had been introduced to her
Speaker 2: by end quote Margie the Canvasser from December. Paula disappeared
Speaker 2: soon after or Cooper discovered a photo of a woman
Speaker 2: who resembled her in Scientology's Freedom magazine. Jerry in quotes often,
Speaker 2: Oh I wonder if that's Jerry Seinfeld, uh before his.
Speaker 3: Time seventies, Yeah so, uh so.
Speaker 2: Jerry often stayed in her apartment and would eventually move
Speaker 2: in uh for several months, during which time he reported
Speaker 2: regularly to the GEO, and one GEO memo, he noted
Speaker 2: that if Cooper became depressed enough to commit suicide, wouldn't
Speaker 2: this be a great thing for scientology. On several occasions
Speaker 2: he tried to coax Cooper And uh, is it coax
Speaker 2: or coax? How do you say that? Cox? Cox tried
Speaker 2: to coax Cooper to stand with him on dangerous on
Speaker 2: the dangerous ledge of the thirty third floor apartment. How
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally. Oh if she committed suicide, that would
Speaker 3: be awesome. Hey, hey, come come join me on the balcony.
Speaker 3: Whoa stand up on this ledge of me? It's so crazy, Like, bro, what?
Speaker 3: And these are two what you would consider close friends
Speaker 3: that were they're actually secret agents trying to undermine and
Speaker 3: in some cases kill her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a chakra. I know that a lot
Speaker 2: of people will see that thirty three and instantly just
Speaker 2: assume freemasonry, which I'm not gonna say that it's not.
Speaker 2: But there's like a lot of symbolism with thirty three
Speaker 2: in general, Like, you know, there's the thirty three vertebrae
Speaker 2: of your spine. Jesus died at thirty three. There's like
Speaker 2: a lot of other thirty three weird shit as to
Speaker 2: why people like love to use that number in uh
Speaker 2: numerology and shit like that.
Speaker 3: I mean the apartment they were saying that happened to
Speaker 3: be thirty three floors. Now maybe the builders had that
Speaker 3: kind of intention behind it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but y so was the top floor
Speaker 2: The top floor was a thirty third Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so it could have just been a builder thing.
Speaker 3: Anyway, the Masonic thing, if we're gonna be technical, so
Speaker 3: like it may have been done with that intention. I
Speaker 3: don't know. But the point of this was that they
Speaker 3: were trying to kill her. They were trying to make
Speaker 3: her go psychotic. They were trying to make her look
Speaker 3: like a pedophile. They were trying to discredit her in
Speaker 3: any way they could because they knew that everything she
Speaker 3: was writing about was accurate, and they did not want
Speaker 3: to go to court and talk about it because they
Speaker 3: couldn't refute it.
Speaker 2: So Jerry in Quotes disappeared after Cooper found his name
Speaker 2: in a Scientology publication and confronted him about it. Later,
Speaker 2: former Scientology operatives would identify him as a man using
Speaker 2: the aliast don Alverso. The church's most senior spy at
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: The most senior spy that they had was on Paula's case.
Speaker 2: Bro Meanwhile, the smear campaign continued and March a smear
Speaker 2: letter was sent to her parents. Similar letters addressed to
Speaker 2: her boyfriend, which also threatened his career, would eventually destroy
Speaker 2: their relationship. The United States of America Versus paul Lette
Speaker 2: Marcilla Cooper never went to trial. Cooper made a deal
Speaker 2: with the US Attorney's Office in which she admitted no guilt.
Speaker 2: On September sixteenth, nineteen seventy five, the US Attorney's Office
Speaker 2: formally filed a Noll prosec quite I think Noll prosecution
Speaker 2: or something like that. In the case, they skateed through
Speaker 2: it out right right. Though she avoided a trial, she
Speaker 2: still feared the indictment becoming a public and damaging her
Speaker 2: career prospects. Cooper had failed a polygraph early on, but
Speaker 2: she passed a truth serum test shortly before the indictment
Speaker 2: was dropped. She was ultimately vindicated when the FBI rated
Speaker 2: Scientology offices in nineteen seventy seven and recovered documents relating
Speaker 2: to the operation. And they really tried to fuck her
Speaker 2: life in every way.
Speaker 3: Every single way. So she I mean when she went
Speaker 3: to the trial, she went to the attorney's office. Excuse me,
Speaker 3: she failed a polygraph test, but passed a truth serum test.
Speaker 3: This was back in the seventies. Or they would dope
Speaker 3: you up with some truth serum to see if you'd
Speaker 3: really talk you, see what I mean.
Speaker 2: I didn't even beec I never knew that truth serum
Speaker 2: was like a real thing. I thought that was a
Speaker 2: fictional thing.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, it's real. It's been real since the sixties.
Speaker 3: I wonder how that went, arguably the fifties.
Speaker 2: Why do you only speak truths whenever you're injected with that?
Speaker 3: It's not that you speak truths, it's more like, uh,
Speaker 3: I've done a fair amount of research into this, and
Speaker 3: it's not like it guaranteed you're telling the truth. It
Speaker 3: removes the part of your brain that's gonna make you
Speaker 3: stop yourself from saying something you shouldn't think about, Like
Speaker 3: when you're super drunk. Okay, you're super drunk, you're just
Speaker 3: gonna say whatever the fuck's on your mind, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's like that makes you more agreeable,
Speaker 3: It makes you it lowers your inhibitions in a way.
Speaker 3: Truth serum is a little more direct. It's not gonna
Speaker 3: make you feel drunk. You're gonna feel groggy and like
Speaker 3: out of it, but you're gonna pretty much answer whatever
Speaker 3: has asked to you to the best of your abilities.
Speaker 3: That's why it's not a necessary it's not a good
Speaker 3: thing to use in court. Like if you say, I
Speaker 3: saw a crime being committed and you wanted to go
Speaker 3: talk to the police about it or whatever, and he
Speaker 3: gave the gave you truth serum to make sure you're
Speaker 3: not lying to them if you tell them that you
Speaker 3: know for sure this guy was six' five and he
Speaker 3: was a he was a black, guy, okay and that's
Speaker 3: you're telling the truth based off of what you. Saw,
Speaker 3: well in, reaction he was like six' three and was
Speaker 3: wearing super tall boots and he. Wasn't black he Was
Speaker 3: like armenian had a really really really really. Dark tan
Speaker 3: so it's not like you lied. To them you told
Speaker 3: them the truth to the best of. Your knowledge but
Speaker 3: that's not a. Guaranteed truth so it's not something that
Speaker 3: they've used in courts in quite.
Speaker 2: Some, time yeah it's their perspective of what really happened.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly but it does make you answer, Extremely honestly
Speaker 3: i'll say.
Speaker 2: That much so then There was Operation, freak out it
Speaker 2: says the geo's Harassment of cooper continued into nineteen. Seventy
Speaker 2: four her father's office received copies of pages from the
Speaker 2: diary she had kept as a teenager and still had in.
Speaker 2: Her possession in early nineteen, SEVENTY five goo agents broke
Speaker 2: into the Office of cooper's college psychiatrists and stole. Her records,
Speaker 2: my god they are going to stupid.
Speaker 3: Lengths here, oh yes, oh yes we're talking all the.
Speaker 2: Way in later, That year cooper began receiving copies of
Speaker 2: her medical records in the mail from. Anonymous senders the
Speaker 2: church compiled a detailed and a report on her. That
Speaker 2: Year L ron hubbard was reportedly Obsessed. With cooper he
Speaker 2: thought that she was working for every group he could
Speaker 2: imagine that Was, against Scientology Said, bill Franks a scientology
Speaker 2: member tasked with the DISMANTLING the goo after its leaders.
Speaker 2: Were imprisoned he just thought that she Was. The antichrist,
Speaker 2: my god so.
Speaker 3: He doesn't Believe in jesus Or, the bible but she's Obviously.
Speaker 3: The antichrist keep, in mind she's. A reporter she was writing,
Speaker 3: an article and then because they came, after her she
Speaker 3: decided to turn that article into. A book that was
Speaker 3: all of her involvement. With it But l ron was
Speaker 3: so obsessed that he sent all of his spies after
Speaker 3: this one lady.
Speaker 2: In particular on one occasion in nineteen, Seventy five hubbard
Speaker 2: was overheard referring to her as That Bitch Paul. Atte, cooper, okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah like name dropping. Her themselves so it's like it's
Speaker 3: not even a question of who they were.
Speaker 2: After here then in nineteen, Seventy six hubbard and his
Speaker 2: operatives AND, the geo frustrated by their failure To Sign,
Speaker 2: alen's cooper developed an ambitious new campaign to, discredit Her
Speaker 2: Dubbed Operation. Freak out its goal was To have cooper
Speaker 2: incarcerated in a mental institution, or jail or at least
Speaker 2: to hit her so hard that she drops. Her attacks
Speaker 2: the plan included staging multiple tightly coordinated incidents, involving impostors,
Speaker 2: false reports and. Planet items central to the plot was
Speaker 2: another series of bomb, threat letters one full of vitriol
Speaker 2: concerning the Treatment, of israel was to be delivered To an.
Speaker 2: Arab embassy another would be addressed To the Secretary Of State.
Speaker 2: Henry kissinger the new campaign included another scheme To get
Speaker 2: cooper's fingerprinted on a piece. Of paper cooper suspected such
Speaker 2: an attempt when a stranger approached her in a bar
Speaker 2: with a clipboard around the, same time she learned that
Speaker 2: someone impersonating her had made phone calls. To friends in,
Speaker 2: The End operation freakout was, never implemented at least. Not
Speaker 2: fully cooper may have complicated the plan by moving to
Speaker 2: la to assist her defense In a Church of. Scientology
Speaker 2: lawsuit there an affidavit by a former scientologist alleges that
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven the church was plotting To. Assassinate,
Speaker 2: cooper however no other source, corroborates this despite voluminous geodocumentation
Speaker 2: about the attempts to ruin her life.
Speaker 3: And, reputation okay so we don't have to go deep
Speaker 3: into the lawsuits, on it but basically they filed like
Speaker 3: seventeen lawsuits against her to try to discredit her and make,
Speaker 3: her stop and it never actually. Went anywhere so long.
Speaker 3: Story short then she went into there Was the. Clearwater
Speaker 3: hearings we could read. About that That'sten, From.
Speaker 2: Clearwater, florida okay So the Church of scientology have been
Speaker 2: plotting to take over the City, Of. CLEARWATER florida i
Speaker 2: think That's Where haul cogan, lives actually since nineteen, seventy
Speaker 2: five looking to establish a literal safe harbor For L.
Speaker 2: Ron hubbard the citizen. Repushed back cooper was one of
Speaker 2: the speakers of at An anti scientology Rally in clearwater
Speaker 2: that drew over ten thousand. Local, residents man that's quite. A, crowd.
Speaker 3: Yeah dude the people Outside, of tampa Outside, of clearwater
Speaker 3: wanted nothing to do with.
Speaker 2: These Psychopaths on, june first, nineteen eighty the news magazine
Speaker 2: Program sixty minutes aired a Segment about scientology's Takeover. Of
Speaker 2: clearwater cooper was interviewed for the story and described her
Speaker 2: indictment or deal in the. Same program Scientology Leader david
Speaker 2: gaman what an unfortunate, last name Claimed that cooper's harassment
Speaker 2: was the fault of Over zealous scientologists And that hubbard
Speaker 2: had not been involved, in It despite hubbard's own policy
Speaker 2: letters encouraging. Such Activity on, May, eighth hey that's, my
Speaker 2: birthday nineteen, Eighty two cooper testified At the clearwater hearings
Speaker 2: held by city officials over five days to Investigate the.
Speaker 2: Scientology takeover she detailed her history with, the church describing
Speaker 2: a more than a decade, of harassment lawsuits. And threats
Speaker 2: it was an incredible indication to look at these fbiics
Speaker 2: documents and see THAT everything i had Said about scientology
Speaker 2: since nineteen sixty eight, was true and that they had
Speaker 2: turned out to be worse THAN anything i said. Or
Speaker 2: imagined that's a quote, from.
Speaker 3: Her absolutely so it goes into. Our activism we don't
Speaker 3: read any. Of that but now as we read this
Speaker 3: whole situation About Paul, Lett, cooper okay this was one
Speaker 3: lady who wrote one article one time about some Things
Speaker 3: about scientology which led to all. Of this we were
Speaker 3: talking about. True spycraft we're talking about, assassination attempts, discrediting
Speaker 3: her putting people in, her life planting people to be spies,
Speaker 3: on her using her typewriter to type up the. Bomb,
Speaker 3: threats dude like the level of obsession that went. Into
Speaker 3: this so when we hear, about that and we hear
Speaker 3: about what this organization was able to do with, their
Speaker 3: resources now let's learn a little Bit about Operation.
Speaker 5: Snow white in the Annals of, american history few events
Speaker 5: have exposed the vulnerability of government institutions as Starkly as Operation,
Speaker 5: snow white orchestrated By the Church, Of scientology this audacious
Speaker 5: operation stands as a chilling testament to the lengths to
Speaker 5: which organizations will go to safeguard. Their secrets, this operation
Speaker 5: the largest infiltration Of The united states government, in history
Speaker 5: involved Thousands of scientology operatives who infiltrated over one hundred,
Speaker 5: government agencies stealing documents and covering up. Their tracks Operation
Speaker 5: snow white was a brazen attack on the very Heart of.
Speaker 5: American democracy it was a calculated assault on the principles
Speaker 5: of transparency and accountability that underpin a. Free society this
Speaker 5: operation serves as a stark reminder that even in the
Speaker 5: most open and democratic, of nations powerful forces operate in,
Speaker 5: the shadows seeking to manipulate and control information for their.
Speaker 5: Own ends the a and Scale of Operation snow white
Speaker 5: sent shockwaves through.
Speaker 3: THE nation i should apologize now the music is, ridiculously
Speaker 3: loud but this is a little video that shows the
Speaker 3: Keynotes of Operation. Snow white before we get into the articles.
Speaker 5: Revealed a dark underbelly of paranoia and ruthlessness Within the Church,
Speaker 5: of scientology an organization that had long presented itself as
Speaker 5: a champion of. Spiritual enlightenment the Revelations of Operation snow
Speaker 5: white shattered, that facade exposing a sinister agenda that sought
Speaker 5: to silence critics and evade scrutiny at. Any cost to
Speaker 5: understand the Motives behind Operation, snow white one must first
Speaker 5: delve into the enigmatic world Of the Church. Of scientology
Speaker 5: founded in nineteen fifty four by science fiction Writer L,
Speaker 5: Ron hubbard scientology offered a path to spiritual freedom through
Speaker 5: a practice known. As, auditing hubbard a charismatic but, controversial
Speaker 5: figure claimed that scientology could cure a wide range of
Speaker 5: mental and, physical ailments attracting a devoted following That included.
Speaker 5: Hollywood celebrities Central to scientology's doctrine is the belief that
Speaker 5: humans are spiritual beings or thetans trapped in a. Physical universe,
Speaker 5: through auditing scientologists believe they can rid themselves of negative
Speaker 5: experiences and achieve a state of spiritual enlightenment known As,
Speaker 5: Clear however scientology's unorthodox beliefs and practices soon drew criticism
Speaker 5: from the medical and, scientific communities leading to accusations of
Speaker 5: mind control and cult. Like Behavior as scientology, gained prominence
Speaker 5: it also attracted the attention of, government agencies Particularly The Internal,
Speaker 5: revenue service which began investigating the church's tax. Exempt, status
Speaker 5: hubbard Convinced that scientology was under attack from, hostile forces
Speaker 5: ordered his followers to engage in a campaign of espionage
Speaker 5: and sabotage against its. Perceived enemies, this campaign known As The,
Speaker 5: guardian's office would become the driving Force behind Operation. Snow
Speaker 5: white Operation snow white aimed to erase all negative Records
Speaker 5: about scientology and its founder from. Government files. Facing Scrutiny
Speaker 5: the church believed infiltrating agencies LIKE the IRS and fbi
Speaker 5: was the only way. To survive their operatives posed, as
Speaker 5: employees using burglary and bribery to steal confidential Documents. For
Speaker 5: scientology the ends justified. The means the driving Force behind
Speaker 5: Operation snow white Was The, guardian's office a shadowy organization
Speaker 5: Within the Church of scientology that functioned as its intelligence
Speaker 5: agency and internal. Security force Led By Mary, sue Hubbard
Speaker 5: L ron. Hubbard's Wife The guardian's office was tasked With
Speaker 5: protecting scientology from, its enemies both real. And imagined operating
Speaker 5: with a, fanatical Zeal The guardian's office instilled fear and
Speaker 5: paranoia Within the, church's ranks demanding absolute loyalty from. Its
Speaker 5: Members Under Mary sue, hubbard's Direction The guarduardian's office evolved
Speaker 5: into a, formidable force with operatives stationed around. The globe
Speaker 5: it established elaborate networks of informants, and infiltrators gathering intelligence, on,
Speaker 5: critics journalists and. Government Officials The guardian's office's tactics were,
Speaker 5: often ruthless, employing, intimidation harassment and even violence to silence
Speaker 5: those who dared To. Question Scientology The guardian's office operated
Speaker 5: with a, chilling efficiency justifying its actions as necessary To
Speaker 5: protect scientology from. Its enemies its operatives were indoctrinated to
Speaker 5: believe that they were engaged in a righteous battle against
Speaker 5: evil forces that sought to destroy. The church this sense,
Speaker 5: of mission coupled with the threat of severe punishment, for
Speaker 5: disobedience ensured the loyalty and secrecy Of The guardian's office's
Speaker 5: vast network of spies. And Informants The guardian's office used
Speaker 5: audacious and. Illegal Tactics During Operation, Snow white scientology operatives infiltrated,
Speaker 5: government agencies posing as employees to access. Confidence files they,
Speaker 5: picked locks, disabled alarms and stole documents under the cover.
Speaker 5: Of darkness stolen files were smuggled out and Delivered to.
Speaker 5: Scientology headquarters they even planted false information to mislead investigators and.
Speaker 5: Discredit critics these actions struck at the Heart of, american
Speaker 5: democracy eroding trust.
Speaker 3: In, Government okay, so THAT like, i said overview of.
Speaker 3: It all so now let's talk. About this this is
Speaker 3: an article as a matter of fact from an education
Speaker 3: OF source cmu education the strange links between the Cos
Speaker 3: the Church, of scientology AND the irs agreement In The snow.
Speaker 2: White Program Operation snow white was a let me. Move
Speaker 2: this that's kind of small. Writing there it says was
Speaker 2: a systemic or systematic attempt By the Church of scientology
Speaker 2: to infiltrate and steal classified Files on scientology from governments
Speaker 2: all over. The world its exposure BY the fbi in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven led to the arrest and imprisonment of
Speaker 2: the senior leadership Of the church's, intelligence Agency The guardian's
Speaker 2: office In The united States. And canada the program consisted
Speaker 2: of a number of sub Programs Of Snow White operating targets.
Speaker 2: Or swats oh, that's funny each with a different, code
Speaker 2: name aimed at targets in particular countries or internal organizations or. International,
Speaker 2: organizations rather the original aim of the program was to
Speaker 2: expose and legally expunge all false and secret files of
Speaker 2: the nations of operating areas and TO, enable Otc the
Speaker 2: panamanian registered front organization For The, sea Org, the Apollo
Speaker 2: The sea, org flagship And L ron hubbard himself to
Speaker 2: Frequent all western nations without. The, threat crucially the word
Speaker 2: legally was later removed to enable this goal to be
Speaker 2: met through clandestine and. Illegal Operations, damn.
Speaker 3: Yeah they had a. C fleet they had, three ships
Speaker 3: so they sent all their spies to get all of
Speaker 3: the paperwork and all of the documents that even made
Speaker 3: scientology not. Look good and then they were just going to,
Speaker 3: take them put them on, the boats and they were
Speaker 3: never going to be. Seen again so.
Speaker 2: Then it Says snow. White lives in nineteen, eighty nine
Speaker 2: a letter came to light from a member Of the
Speaker 2: Office Of, special affairs the body which Replaced The guardian's
Speaker 2: office in the early. Nineteen Eighties elaine siegel described herself
Speaker 2: in the Letter As Snow white program's chief In the
Speaker 2: Office Of, Special Affairs, united states and went on to
Speaker 2: describe her functions and those Of The Snow. WHITE unit
Speaker 2: a copy was sent TO. The irs it had been
Speaker 2: one of the bodies targeted By The snow white conspiracy
Speaker 2: in the, nineteen seventies which queried scientologies claimed that The
Speaker 2: snow white program is not being. Executed today this was the. Church's,
Speaker 2: response initially it must be stated that the documenting question
Speaker 2: was stolen from the church offices by an individual who
Speaker 2: had infiltrated the church at the behest Of The Cult.
Speaker 2: Awareness network it was then passed on TO the irs
Speaker 2: BY the cn infiltrator. VIA can i don't? Know? It
Speaker 2: can WHAT?
Speaker 3: Is camp A Cult? Awareness? Network oh?
Speaker 2: Got jam the apparent discrepancy to WHICH the irs refers
Speaker 2: seemingly arises from from use of the word programs and
Speaker 2: a post title that includes the word, snow white viewed
Speaker 2: against the statement on, page ten dash five of our
Speaker 2: response to your second series of questions that The Snow
Speaker 2: white program is not being. Executed today, that's there.
Speaker 3: But they're not denying that it was executed at. One
Speaker 3: point they're just saying it's not currently, in operation.
Speaker 2: Right, right yeah we might have we might have done
Speaker 2: that in, the past but we ain't about that. No
Speaker 2: more we, you know we've we've overcome. These obstacles the
Speaker 2: operation was going down in. The seventies this is an. Eighty,
Speaker 2: nine like it's not like this was like, you know
Speaker 2: oh that was in the. Eighteen, hundreds bro.
Speaker 3: It's not like, That, now, like no this was a.
Speaker 2: Decade later so why have a program's chief if she
Speaker 2: has no programs? To supervise, it says there is. No
Speaker 2: inconsistency the same page also states that the term snow
Speaker 2: white became synonymous with the activity of legally locating core
Speaker 2: and correcting false reports on. The church the church vigorously
Speaker 2: pursues these objectives through the use Of the Freedom Of
Speaker 2: information act and through direct negotiation with government agencies intended
Speaker 2: to persuade them at minimum that if expungent of false
Speaker 2: reports is, not feasible corrective reports should. Be filed so
Speaker 2: that Was the this is the answers on behalf. OF
Speaker 2: scientology i believe.
Speaker 3: They're not saying they were stealing, the documents even though
Speaker 3: we can't find any of. Them today they're saying they were,
Speaker 3: correcting them. That's all that's why they had thousands of
Speaker 3: infiltrators through like thirty some odd three. Letter agencies it
Speaker 3: was for. Correction purposes right.
Speaker 2: On its, own Figures the church has obtained millions of
Speaker 2: pages of DOCUMENTS from us federal and state authorities through
Speaker 2: the USE. Of foya, this is of course. Entirely legitimate
Speaker 2: so the answer from the scientology, it says The Original
Speaker 2: snow white program Provided as exhibit eleven TEN dash a
Speaker 2: or IS THAT ii i don't know was written specifically
Speaker 2: to address problems which existed in nineteen seventy three with RESPECT,
Speaker 2: to Otc, the apollo And. Mister hubbard Because The United
Speaker 2: states department and other government agencies had engaged in the
Speaker 2: circulation of, false reports free access To various western ports
Speaker 2: and nations had been. Severely Curtailed the apollo was sold
Speaker 2: in nineteen, SEVENTY five otc became inactive at, the time
Speaker 2: And mister hubbard passed away in nineteen. Eighty, six clearly
Speaker 2: The Original snow white program became obsolete within a couple
Speaker 2: of years of, its creation and is no longer. In effect,
Speaker 2: in Fact the apollo no. Longer exists once converted by
Speaker 2: its new ownership to a Restaurant, in texas it was
Speaker 2: involved in a train coalition and in dry dock was cut.
Speaker 2: Into scrap so there was No way apollo Or the
Speaker 2: apollo will Be frequenting western or.
Speaker 3: Any ports so, real quick you're telling me that After
Speaker 3: l ron died, his Flagship the apollo was in port
Speaker 3: and suffered a collision with a. Fucking train that just.
Speaker 3: Got said so, all right then that doesn't sound like
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of some conspiracy behind that, One
Speaker 3: either but, all right let's.
Speaker 2: Keep going why in that Case Did elaine segell reiterate
Speaker 2: the ideal scene Of The snow white program, in quotes
Speaker 2: all false and secret files of the nations of operating
Speaker 2: areas brought to you and, legally EXPUNGED, And otc apollo
Speaker 2: and L r h free to Frequent all western poorts
Speaker 2: and nations, without threat and all required ports open. And
Speaker 2: free if this goal is. Uh obsolescent if this goal,
Speaker 2: is obsolescent then why is it still cited as the?
Speaker 2: Ideal scene this rather obvious point of logic or illogic
Speaker 2: went by default when the irs assessors were ordered by
Speaker 2: their superiors to desist from pursuing substantive issues such.
Speaker 3: As this.
Speaker 2: Their, answer, says however obsolescence of the actual program did
Speaker 2: not Invalidate mister hubbard's observation that when governmental and police
Speaker 2: agencies are allowed to accumulate false information in their files
Speaker 2: and disseminate it to, other agencies, they then, in quotes
Speaker 2: tend to act on the file, without presence without the
Speaker 2: presence of the real scene data which is factually good
Speaker 2: but which is, then ignored and an ongoing effort to
Speaker 2: practice the scientology religion free from the interference of misinformed,
Speaker 2: government agencies the church continues to pursue the snow white
Speaker 2: objectives with the name with the legal means at. Its
Speaker 2: disposal only when the church is free from governmental harassment
Speaker 2: and its order and is ordered its rights will Will,
Speaker 2: need wait that doesn't make. Any sense, Is, Ordered oh,
Speaker 2: i'm sorry is accorded, its rights will the need for
Speaker 2: snow white?
Speaker 3: Activities, vanished okay so they're saying that one day it will,
Speaker 3: go away but not, right now once it's free from.
Speaker 3: Government harassment even though they said just a little bit
Speaker 3: ago that it, Wasn't real it, wasn't operating. All.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah yeah they're definitely trying to skate around the
Speaker 2: truth here. For. Sure yeah so the later sentence is the.
Speaker 2: Key one governmental Harassment to scientology means any adverse governmental
Speaker 2: intervention Within the, church's affairs be it, over taxation, working
Speaker 2: conditions or any other area within the. Government's Competence the
Speaker 2: church will only accept that it has been accorded its
Speaker 2: rights when it's achieved goals laid down in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 2: By L ron hubbard and a policy directive which is
Speaker 2: still in force and underlies much Of the church's strategy
Speaker 2: towards its relations. With society their, answer says bring the
Speaker 2: government and hostile philosophies or societies into a state of
Speaker 2: complete compliance with the Goals. Of scientology this is done
Speaker 2: by high level ability to, control and in, its absence
Speaker 2: by low level ability to overwhelm introvert. Such agencies such control.
Speaker 2: Such agencies scientology is the only Game on earth where.
Speaker 2: Everybody wins there is no overt sin in bringing.
Speaker 3: Good, order yeah that's.
Speaker 2: Those people that's the people that think that they know
Speaker 2: what's best. For everybody, Oh, Yeah god like they just
Speaker 2: believe that they have been given the divine right to
Speaker 2: know what is best for everybody, out there and either
Speaker 2: you comply or we come after.
Speaker 3: You because their Profet el ron said so the sci
Speaker 3: fi writer and, cult, Leader right so like that's that's
Speaker 3: just what. It, is now this Is A project hunter
Speaker 3: as a matter, of fact talking About Snow white and
Speaker 3: this is actually FROM the.
Speaker 2: Irs document, All right so IT'S the irs And snow.
Speaker 2: White PROGRAM the irs was one of the key targets
Speaker 2: Of The Snow white program in the, nineteen Seventies when
Speaker 2: scientology agents, systematically, infiltrated bugged and burgled.
Speaker 3: The service now can you imagine can you imagine right
Speaker 3: now if some let's just for trying to be, kind
Speaker 3: here some new religious group that just popped up a,
Speaker 3: decade ago infiltrated and stole documents FROM the irs, right
Speaker 3: now can you imagine what would happen?
Speaker 2: To, THEM yeah i mean that would be seen almost
Speaker 2: as like terroristic in. A, sense.
Speaker 3: Indeed it WOULD be i, would say arguably trees. In
Speaker 3: This now i'm not Like saying I'M. PRO irs i never.
Speaker 3: Will be but at the, same time like you're gonna
Speaker 3: do what? With What bro and you're gonna get away.
Speaker 2: With, IT yeah i definitely WANT the irs invaded and
Speaker 2: dismantled by by all. Means necessary but by what groups.
Speaker 3: But this group and by. The, public no they only
Speaker 3: did it for themselves because all the PaperWorks showing how
Speaker 3: much taxes they hadn't paid were housed AT the, Irs
Speaker 3: building so they sent in their spies to just kind
Speaker 3: of misplaced. Those, files oops lost.
Speaker 2: Those yep SO the irs AND other us federal and
Speaker 2: state agencies were targeted under The snow White Subprogram. Project
Speaker 2: hunter the goal and operating Targets A project hunter were
Speaker 2: stated as follows in the Original snow white plan written.
Speaker 2: By L ron hubbard himself on, four twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: Seventy three again this is his actual documentation.
Speaker 2: Brow, All, right uh the reference on this project is.
Speaker 2: Record correction according To the paris, police REPORTS the us
Speaker 2: is falsely Reported. On alron this means That The TREASURY
Speaker 2: department us Liaison with interpol and POSSIBLY the fbi have
Speaker 2: and have forwarded false reports to many. Other, countries also
Speaker 2: as this area will become a subject of, un complaint
Speaker 2: all recourse must. Be exhausted any action taken against this
Speaker 2: area must also be very polite and not abusive per.
Speaker 2: Un requirements this area IS the gootv liaison for legal
Speaker 2: but no action may be taken without the agreement OF.
Speaker 2: THE gous a suggested program follows a existing attorneys may
Speaker 2: be used or new ones Retained, in washington D. C
Speaker 2: b according To The first amendment OF The, us constitution
Speaker 2: the right of petition may not. Be, denied therefore it
Speaker 2: is suggested That The Treasury interpol unit AND the fbi
Speaker 2: be separately petitioned to correct their records Are L ron
Speaker 2: hubbard and to see that anyone to whom they have
Speaker 2: reported overseas be given a. RECORD correction a minimum of
Speaker 2: evidence should be presented see WHEN the fbi fails. To
Speaker 2: act if it does not act to correct, the record
Speaker 2: the suit should be filed to, correct it at which
Speaker 2: time much fuller evidence as per record correction may be
Speaker 2: presented D when treasury fails. To act if it does,
Speaker 2: not act it should be subjected.
Speaker 5: TO.
Speaker 2: Suit e the damage resulting from these false reports, are
Speaker 2: incredible resulting in immigration and. Other trouble f part of
Speaker 2: any settlement must include the advising you OF interior, us
Speaker 2: agencies states and cities that false reports have been given
Speaker 2: to GIVEN on lrh PART of g part of any
Speaker 2: settlement must include advising all countries and the targets that
Speaker 2: the reports were sent reports sent.
Speaker 5: WERE.
Speaker 2: False h documents attesting the falsity of such reports must
Speaker 2: be then made available ON, the goo so the government
Speaker 2: statement can be circulated BY. The GOO and i all
Speaker 2: records must be carefully preserved for.
Speaker 3: Un, use okay so we got a little, list here
Speaker 3: or actually we could read this part, right here and
Speaker 3: then we'll talk about the objectives and if they were achieved.
Speaker 2: Or Not project hunter soon descended into wholesale illegality with
Speaker 2: the full Approval Of Mary, sue hubbard convicted of conspiracy
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine, and jailed and almost certainly Of
Speaker 2: L ron. Hubbard himself he was named as an unindicted,
Speaker 2: co conspirator but prosecutors couldn't put together a, strong case
Speaker 2: strong enough case to try him for his role in. The,
Speaker 2: affair however despite the demise Of The guardian's office and
Speaker 2: conviction Of The snow, white Conspirators The snow white program,
Speaker 2: itself continued And the church admitted in its reply to
Speaker 2: the IRS's queries it is more than Likely That project
Speaker 2: hunter or derivative thereof, Also continued it's interesting To Compare
Speaker 2: project hunters objectives to the secret Agreement which scientology reach
Speaker 2: WITH the irs in nineteen. Ninety three did the terms
Speaker 2: of the agreement fulfill the goals laid down back in nineteen?
Speaker 3: Seventy, Three okay so now we got this little list
Speaker 3: here of some of. These objectives right number ONE or
Speaker 3: a existing attorneys may be used or Retained FROM. Washington
Speaker 3: dc is?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 3: Achieved unknown but probably yes many? Years, ago okay b
Speaker 3: according To The first amendment OF The, us constitution the
Speaker 3: right petition all that was it achieved partly achieved through
Speaker 3: the USE of foya To, Obtain treasury INTERPOL and. Fbi
Speaker 3: files the agency are not known to have sent record
Speaker 3: corrections to. Overseas bodies so kind, of achieved but not
Speaker 3: necessarily see WHEN the fbi fails. To act if it
Speaker 3: does not act to correct, the record a suit should.
Speaker 3: Be filed was?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 3: Achieved no records still contain MUCH in fata quote unquote
Speaker 3: and can be obtained THROUGH a foi request d When
Speaker 3: the treasury fails. To act if it does, not act
Speaker 3: it should be subject. To suit was? As? Achieved unknown
Speaker 3: but as OF, the fbi unlikely to have. BEEN achieved
Speaker 3: i don't remember ever Hearing The scientology church Suing The,
Speaker 3: treasury DEPARTMENT and i can't find anything on record of.
Speaker 3: That either, so no that was. Not achieved long, story
Speaker 3: short most of these were. Not, Achieved right he set out,
Speaker 3: these goals and all that happened from it was his
Speaker 3: wife was arrested for conspiracy and he took off To
Speaker 3: Air national waters and they couldn't. Find them that's essentially
Speaker 3: what this shook out. To be now we got more
Speaker 3: articles to read, about it but this was kind of
Speaker 3: the the overview. Of, that now this, this building This
Speaker 3: Blue scientology church was at one Time a masonic temple
Speaker 3: Or A masonic Order Of Tall Cedars hospital, children's, Hospital
Speaker 3: right mason's are big on. Children's Hospitals The scientology church,
Speaker 3: bought it painted. It blue and now this is the
Speaker 3: this is, their vatican this is. Their mecca dog it looks.
Speaker 2: Like it what a specimen of, A building.
Speaker 3: I, Mean, right Actually if i'm, not mistaken there's a few,
Speaker 3: Pictures here so there's one. Of them, come, on now
Speaker 3: where's these? Picture going? Lowd ad this is in the past.
Speaker 3: Seven years the church has poured out at least forty
Speaker 3: five million into The Former Gilman Hot. Springs resort in
Speaker 3: the forgotten or in, the foreground is the eighteen point
Speaker 3: five million dollar management building that includes a wing of
Speaker 3: offices for Church Leader, David, miscarriage. Miskavich whatever so that's
Speaker 3: Their Their hot. Springs. OFFICE right a close View, of
Speaker 3: bondview a nine point four million dollar MANSION that x
Speaker 3: members say was constructed for the expected return of the
Speaker 3: late church Founder L. Ron hubbard church officials say the
Speaker 3: mansion is simply a museum To commemorate hubbard's life and
Speaker 3: house most of. His possessions so if he ever did
Speaker 3: come back TO, the us this was where he was supposed,
Speaker 3: to live but. He didn't receptionist this is her, right
Speaker 3: Here receptionist Charlotte. HEIDIT height i don't Know At Golden.
Speaker 3: Era Productions Golden air productions is the media conglomerate that
Speaker 3: is Owned. By scientology the artwork behind Her depicts scientology's
Speaker 3: bridge to, total Freedom the church's path, to enlightenment just
Speaker 3: a stairway to. The sun, you know as one would
Speaker 3: do this one is these are golden printed materials that
Speaker 3: you would like put on a book or a post
Speaker 3: or Something Inside Golden, air productions which is another one of.
Speaker 3: Their subsidiaries staffer's produced nearly all the printed materials for.
Speaker 3: The church here a foil is pressed onto a lecture
Speaker 3: binder cover that will be used FOR a cd One
Speaker 3: of hubbard's speeches that has been Translated. Into, german yeah
Speaker 3: gotta have that. International flex and this is one of,
Speaker 3: those machines one of these DIANETICS machines i was telling.
Speaker 3: You ABOUT when i was twelve, YEARS old i saw.
Speaker 3: This thing hubbard invented quote unquote INVENTED the e meter
Speaker 3: as a device that could measure the spiritual clarity of.
Speaker 3: His followers by, the way you could make one of
Speaker 3: these yourself with probably breaking apart one of your kid's
Speaker 3: toys that has a push button and taping some shit
Speaker 3: up for about, Five dollars like that's. Real, shit now
Speaker 3: some of these can sell for up to five, Thousand
Speaker 3: dollars but you can Get on eBay right now and
Speaker 3: find a used one for like one. Hundred DOLLARS so,
Speaker 3: i mean take that for what. You want but now.
Speaker 3: Let's see it began with a. Fairy tale by, the
Speaker 3: way the article this is From The Los, angeles times
Speaker 3: which is Where the Church of scientology does. Call home
Speaker 3: and this was Actually from june, twenty fourth nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: so this is before they even got their tax free
Speaker 3: status back in action in, ninety three so they were
Speaker 3: already talking that. Shit Here and Operation snow white was
Speaker 3: known about in, the.
Speaker 2: Nineties dude it began with the title of a. Fairy
Speaker 2: Tale snow white then was the benign code Named name
Speaker 2: Scientology Founder eleron hubbard gave to an ominous plan that
Speaker 2: would envelop his church and scandal and send its upper echelon,
Speaker 2: to prison a plan rooted in ever deepening fears. And
Speaker 2: Suspicions snow white began in nineteen seventy three as an
Speaker 2: Effort by Scientology through freedom of information proceedings to purge
Speaker 2: government files Of what hubbard thought was false information being
Speaker 2: circulated worldwide to discredit him and. The church but the
Speaker 2: operation soon mushroomed into a massive criminal conspiracy executed By
Speaker 2: the church's legal and, investigative Arm The. Guardian office under
Speaker 2: the Direction of, Hubbard's Wife. Mary Sue The guardian office
Speaker 2: hatch one scheme after another to discredit And unnerve scientology's
Speaker 2: foes across. The Country guardian office members were trained to
Speaker 2: lie or in, their words to outflow. False, data effectively
Speaker 2: they compiled enemy lists and subjected those on the list
Speaker 2: to smear campaigns and dirty.
Speaker 3: Tricks, there boh can you imagine that they it's, Not
Speaker 3: lying it is an outflow of false data that we are.
Speaker 3: Doing effectively now does that sound? You ever since get
Speaker 3: them To The, greek yeah remember that Part Where jonah
Speaker 3: hill was Talking. To diddy he, was like so you
Speaker 3: want me to lie. To him, it's, Like, no no we.
Speaker 3: Don't lie we don't. Never lie we just believe in. Unfalse,
Speaker 3: truths yeah tell me that's not what this sounds.
Speaker 2: Like, here yeah sounds. Like it so their targets were in,
Speaker 2: the government, the press the, medical profession wherever a potential.
Speaker 2: Threats Surface The guardian office save the worst For Author
Speaker 2: paula Cooper Of New, york city who's scathing nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: Two Book the Scandal of scientology pushed her to the
Speaker 2: top of the church's roster. Of enemies among, Other things
Speaker 2: cooper was framed on criminal Charges By guardian office members
Speaker 2: who Obtained stationary she had touched stationary that she had
Speaker 2: touched and then used it to forge bomb threats to
Speaker 2: the church in. Her name you're Like the nazis Or
Speaker 2: the Arabs. Or arabs rather i'll, Bomb you i'll, kill
Speaker 2: you warned one of the. Rambling letters the church reported
Speaker 2: the threat TO the fbi and directed its Agents, to
Speaker 2: cooper whose fingerprints matched those on. The letter cooper was
Speaker 2: indicted by a grand jury not only for the bomb
Speaker 2: threats but for lying under oath about. Her innocence two,
Speaker 2: years later the author's reputation In psych psyche. In tatters
Speaker 2: prosecutors dismissed the charges after she had spent nearly twenty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in legal fees to defend herself and six
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on. Psychiatric treatment and so she thought that
Speaker 2: she was going a little. Crazy, Too bro can you
Speaker 2: imagine two of.
Speaker 3: Your homies you got one of these guys there living
Speaker 3: with you for months at a time because you. Trust
Speaker 3: him come to, find out is there to? Hop spy
Speaker 3: what was that you? Remember that did you ever See
Speaker 3: That johnny Depp movie IT'S Called A.
Speaker 2: SECRET window i Feel like i've heard, of. It dude,
Speaker 2: awesome book but it's basically about, like psychosis like he
Speaker 2: has like this, alter ego and so this alter ego
Speaker 2: whenever it takes Over In johnny depp's place in, the
Speaker 2: movie he doesn't remember anything that the alter. Ego does
Speaker 2: so he feel like he feels like he's actually like
Speaker 2: being hunted by this character or whatever the, entire movie
Speaker 2: and come to find out it was him.
Speaker 3: ALL along i could. BELIEVE it, i, mean look could
Speaker 3: you just for, two seconds let's appreciate this this woman
Speaker 3: who wrote an article then because it got a little
Speaker 3: extra fire, under it she wrote. A book she cannot
Speaker 3: sign a random petition on the sidewalk because they used
Speaker 3: the fingerprints. From that She can't two friends of hers
Speaker 3: that were always in and out of, her place one
Speaker 3: of them living, with her come to, find out were
Speaker 3: absolutely not like. A hypothetical they. Were Spies, confer right
Speaker 3: her phone lines are. Being tapped she's receiving countless calls
Speaker 3: every day of threats of what they're gonna do to
Speaker 3: her if they ever get their hands and their dicks. On,
Speaker 3: her right she's being discredited. Around town these people are,
Speaker 3: dropping flyers accusing her of. Everything imaginable she's worried she'll
Speaker 3: be able to ever find employment. Again, now also twenty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars in, legal fees so that was in the
Speaker 3: seventies twenty thousand then would be more like eighty thousand
Speaker 3: today at least, at least and then another six thousand on.
Speaker 3: Psychiatric treatment, so, like yo they put this woman through
Speaker 3: hell to make. Her stop but, if anything that just
Speaker 3: shows how guilty. They were because if it was, just,
Speaker 3: bullshit right if it was just oh that's just a
Speaker 3: hater sipping on that, hater ade just saying that, random
Speaker 3: shit we're not gonna pay her, no mind it wouldn't
Speaker 3: have gone. That far that's. My point everything she wrote about.
Speaker 3: Was accurate otherwise they would have just left.
Speaker 2: It alone, well yeah and imagine how vindicated she was
Speaker 2: WHENEVER the fbi went in. And rated, you know like
Speaker 2: that poor woman.
Speaker 3: She got brought to court and she didn't even know.
Speaker 3: What for she thought she was just kind of giving
Speaker 3: a little statement on. The. TRIAL right a friend of
Speaker 3: hers who kind of knew what was, going on gave
Speaker 3: her a list of questions and a list of answers to.
Speaker 3: Give it they asked her these questions and she, WAS
Speaker 3: like i don't, need this there's nothing to lie about
Speaker 3: not guilty or. Anything, like listen if they ask you,
Speaker 3: this question answered, this way here is the list, of
Speaker 3: shit and, she's, Like okay i'll. Bring it but whatever she,
Speaker 3: gets there they start kind of reading off the docket
Speaker 3: of the day and All this she's in. The seat
Speaker 3: on the paper, it SAYS am i the prime suspect of.
Speaker 3: This indictment their, response, was yes yes. You are she didn't.
Speaker 3: Know that she. Was flabbergasted she thought she was going
Speaker 3: in there to give a statement or to just kind
Speaker 3: of give a. Witness testimony she had no idea that
Speaker 3: she was the one that was under. The gun the
Speaker 3: next question WAS can i leave and return within A?
Speaker 3: Two hernie, they said yes. You can can you imagine
Speaker 3: if her friend wouldn't have hooked her up with, these
Speaker 3: questions she would have been hung?
Speaker 2: That day, oh, yeah yeah. For sure but it says
Speaker 2: it seemed that no plan against perceived enemies was too ambitious,
Speaker 2: or Daring and washington scientology spies penetrated such high security
Speaker 2: agencies As the Department of justice AND the irs to
Speaker 2: find what they Had on hubbard and. The church in,
Speaker 2: nighttime raids they rifled files and photocopied mountains, of documents
Speaker 2: many of Which the church had unsuccessfully sought Under the
Speaker 2: Freedom Of. Information act the thefts were. Inside Jobs The
Speaker 2: guardian office had planted one agent IN the irs as
Speaker 2: a clerk typist and another In The justice department as
Speaker 2: the personal secretary of AN Assistant us attorney who was
Speaker 2: handling foil lawsuits Filed. By scientology so bold they so
Speaker 2: bold had they become That One guardian office operatives slipped
Speaker 2: INTO an irs conference room and wired a bugging device
Speaker 2: into a wall socket before crucial Meeting on scientology was to.
Speaker 2: Be convened the operative rigged the device so he could
Speaker 2: eavesdrop over HER car's. Fm RADIO the us was losing
Speaker 2: a ward did not even know that it, was fighting
Speaker 2: but that was about. To change so two scientologists USED
Speaker 2: fake irs credentials to gain access to government agencies and
Speaker 2: then photocopy documents related To. The church their conspiracy was
Speaker 2: exposed when one of, the suspects after eleven months on,
Speaker 2: the land became worried about his plight and confessed, to
Speaker 2: authorities PROMPTING the fbi to launch one of the biggest raids.
Speaker 2: In history armed with, power, saws crowbars, and boltcutters one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four agents burst Into three scientology LOCATIONS
Speaker 2: in La. And washington they carded off, eavesdropping equipment, burglar
Speaker 2: tools in forty eight thousand documents detailing countless operations against
Speaker 2: enemies in public and. Private life in, The end hubbard's
Speaker 2: wife and the others were found guilty of charges of conspiracy.
Speaker 2: And urgulary the grand Jury named hubbard as an unindicted.
Speaker 2: Co Conspirator The seas guardian office files did not directly
Speaker 2: link him to, the crimes and he professed ignorance. To
Speaker 2: them in a memorandum urging stiff sentences for, the scientologists federal,
Speaker 2: prosecutors wrote the crime committed by these defendants is of
Speaker 2: a breadth and scope previously. Unheard of, no, building, office
Speaker 2: desk or file was safe from their snooping. Or prying
Speaker 2: no individual or organization was free from their despicable. Conspiratorial
Speaker 2: minds the tools of their trade were, miniature transmitters lock
Speaker 2: pick seecret codes, forged credentials and any other device they
Speaker 2: found necessary to carry out their. Conspiratorial schemes the eleven
Speaker 2: defendants were ordered to serve five years in. Federal prison
Speaker 2: all are.
Speaker 3: Now free church leadeers five years for the most successful
Speaker 3: espionage OPERATION on us agencies. In history they just got, Five, years.
Speaker 2: Yeah buddy so church leaders today maintained that this dark
Speaker 2: chapter in their religion's history was the work of renegade, members,
Speaker 2: who yes broke, the law but believe they were justified
Speaker 2: because the government for two decades had harassed And persecuted scientology.
Speaker 3: Rogue members the wife of, your pope the wife and
Speaker 3: the upper echelon Of The, guardian office which was your.
Speaker 3: Secret service they were rogue members that just kind of
Speaker 3: were acting on their. Own accord that's what we're rolling with.
Speaker 3: Right Now and hubbard legitimate, WAS like i didn't know
Speaker 3: they were. Doing that forty eight thousand documents. Were found you. Didn't, know.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So anyhow Boston ATTORNEY. Earl, C Cooley Scientology's
Speaker 2: National trial council said the present church management does not
Speaker 2: condone the criminal activities of The Old. Guardian office he
Speaker 2: said that One of hubbard's most important dictums was to
Speaker 2: maintain friendly relationship relations with the environment and. The public
Speaker 2: the QUESTION that i always have in, My mind, cooley
Speaker 2: said is for is for how long a time is
Speaker 2: the church going to have to continue to pay the
Speaker 2: price for What The guardian. Office, did Unfortunately the church
Speaker 2: continues to be confronted. With it and the ironic thing
Speaker 2: is that people being confronted with it are the people
Speaker 2: who wiped. It out and to the church that is
Speaker 2: a very. Frustrating thing.
Speaker 3: The ironic thing is that the people being confronted, with it,
Speaker 3: the church are the people who wiped. It, out no
Speaker 3: you're the people that enacted. The conspiracy that's why it's being.
Speaker 3: Brought up but, you, KNOW sure i Swear. To god
Speaker 3: people cry victimhood the second things start to turn there there.
Speaker 3: Against them it's. Ridiculous facts so this is a vice
Speaker 3: article as a matter, of fact and some of it
Speaker 3: is a little bit, you know repetitive in, that way
Speaker 3: but there, is tons tons of documents to show what. Had.
Speaker 3: Happened here we could kind of read a little bit about.
Speaker 3: It here let's, see here so scientology going clear, quote
Speaker 3: unquote because that's what it is when you. Achieve enlightenment
Speaker 3: there it's, not enlightenment it's here clear And the church's
Speaker 3: long war with. The irs so this is from, twenty
Speaker 3: fifteen shortly after six a in the Morning of, july
Speaker 3: eighth nineteen, Seventy Seven Special Agent. Elmer lindy lindberg stood
Speaker 3: at the gate in the front of four eight Three
Speaker 3: Three fountain avenue and pushed the. Call button the night
Speaker 3: caretaker Of The los angeles building, came out walked about
Speaker 3: ten feet towards, the gate and. Then stopped he refused
Speaker 3: to come. Any closer, lindy said we are WITH the
Speaker 3: fbi and we are here to serve a federal. Search
Speaker 3: warrant the imposing five hundred thousand square foot building that
Speaker 3: once Housed the Cedars Of, lebanon hospitals that's THE one
Speaker 3: i was, talking about have been purchased the year Before
Speaker 3: the Church of scientology for five. Million dollars the church
Speaker 3: had then painted it blue and made it their. International
Speaker 3: Headquarters as limberg and the head of the FBI's Law
Speaker 3: Los Angeles field office later wrote in his official report of.
Speaker 3: The incident it was eventually made available to, the public
Speaker 3: along with thousands of related documents via the. FOY um
Speaker 3: A large german shepherd dog was noticed roaming free inside the.
Speaker 3: Fenced aarium limberg ordered his agents to cut the lock and.
Speaker 3: Move in the dog left. Them alone agents entered the
Speaker 3: building and fanned out to begin. Their search many of
Speaker 3: the offices they needed to enter, were locked and the
Speaker 3: church officials could or either couldn't or wouldn't get the. Agent's,
Speaker 3: keys limberg a seasoned investigator who had Worked With patty
Speaker 3: hirst kidnapping case a few, years before gave church members
Speaker 3: an hour to open. The doors they assured him the
Speaker 3: keys were on. Their way in, the meantime a group
Speaker 3: of forty scientologists showed up with push brooms and milled
Speaker 3: among the agents and started to sweep. The area so
Speaker 3: they already kind of had guys in, the works as
Speaker 3: they didn't know how this was about to, shake out
Speaker 3: but they know That The scientology church need we needed
Speaker 3: some manpower in the area in case things got a little.
Speaker 3: Extra hostile, so yeah we just got forty guys with.
Speaker 3: Push brooms don't worry, about them they're just cleaning the
Speaker 3: same spot for like an. Hour whatever The sac lindberg
Speaker 3: immediately advised somebody whose names redacted and somebody else whose
Speaker 3: name is redacted that the continued operation of the sweepers
Speaker 3: would interfere with, the search And sac LIMBERG ordered. I
Speaker 3: Guess Special agent limberg ordered all but one broom sweeper
Speaker 3: to clear. THE area a few, minutes later numerous individuals, carrying,
Speaker 3: clipboards cameras and tape. Recorders appeared they identified themselves as
Speaker 3: church affiliates, quote unquote and said they were on hand
Speaker 3: to observe and record the. Agent's conduct so all these
Speaker 3: people with brooms that were doing the exact, same thing then, they,
Speaker 3: said no, fuck it go get clipboards and. Tape recorders
Speaker 3: we're gonna. Do it we're gonna document everything they do in.
Speaker 2: Our church it's Like Some agent smith type shit From
Speaker 2: the matrix alle.
Speaker 3: Hundred percent and this is Allegedly a really why does
Speaker 3: a religion have a secret spy network? Within it that's
Speaker 3: not how, religions operate or AT least I don't i would.
Speaker 3: THINK not i guess THERE'S some i. Don't. Know anyway
Speaker 3: at seven, thirty am the key still. Hadn't arrived limenburg
Speaker 3: told the church legal advisor that he was en route
Speaker 3: and that he'd have the keys there in. Ten minutes at,
Speaker 3: Eight am limberg instructed his men to open the locked
Speaker 3: doors and cabinets. By force no one identifying themselves as
Speaker 3: a legal advisor ever showed up with.
Speaker 2: The.
Speaker 3: Keys shocker while all this was. Going ON the fbi
Speaker 3: was executing simultaneous search warrants at two other, church locations
Speaker 3: the scientologies So Called celebrity center two miles away and
Speaker 3: the church's Offices Near DuPont Circle, IN. Washington dc it's a,
Speaker 3: nice area by. The way at, both locations church members
Speaker 3: followed agents, with, cameras clipboards and. Tape recorders according TO the,
Speaker 3: fbi reports church members At The celebrity center shut off
Speaker 3: water so agents couldn't go to. The, bathroom yeah that'll get,
Speaker 3: Them sing i'll. Take it do YOU think i won't
Speaker 3: take a shit in your toilet just because your water?
Speaker 3: Shut off you got, your mim. That's crazy at nine to,
Speaker 3: forty Am The los angeles agents reported that they had.
Speaker 3: Struck gold about ninety, minutes later they informed supervisors that
Speaker 3: they had got everything that they were. Looking for and
Speaker 3: then some AGENTS in dc reported to headquarters at one
Speaker 3: to three pm with a cryptic message that it looks
Speaker 3: like we SCORED A S. A s stams could not
Speaker 3: elaborate on the message at. This TIME the fbi sees
Speaker 3: so many documents from the church files that it took
Speaker 3: teams of three agents working twenty four hours a day
Speaker 3: for ten straight work days to xerox all. Of Them
Speaker 3: the bureau had to rent ten additional copiers to handle.
Speaker 3: The load so this wasn't. Like Operations snow white was
Speaker 3: just like a little thing to get a document or
Speaker 3: to get a file or even like a. Situation thing
Speaker 3: every single piece of paper that the government had that
Speaker 3: showed pretty much anything About the Church of scientology they
Speaker 3: had a record of or they.
Speaker 2: Stole, it, yeah yeah they they got as much information
Speaker 2: as they. Possibly could and the thing is is that
Speaker 2: you know this is it was kind of all for
Speaker 2: not you KNOW what, I mean like all of it
Speaker 2: eventually ended up coming, out anyway and still there are
Speaker 2: people who are like, diehard scientologists, you know even with all,
Speaker 2: THIS information i don't know how you look into such
Speaker 2: a corrupt religion like this or whatever you want to.
Speaker 2: CALL it i don't even know if you can call. It,
Speaker 2: religion yeah it's more of a cull. For sure how
Speaker 2: how do you know all of? This information it's Like The,
Speaker 2: mormon church you Know what, I'm, saying like how can
Speaker 2: you look at all of this shit and then still
Speaker 2: know for a fact that your religion is the?
Speaker 3: Right one it blows The mind it absolutely boggles my
Speaker 3: mind when we, see, this DUDE because, i mean, all
Speaker 3: right let's even, say that, oh yeah that was a
Speaker 3: phase of. The church that's not how we do, it
Speaker 3: now but that's how it. Was Then bro that that's
Speaker 3: a horrible way to look. At it it's the same With
Speaker 3: the Nation. Of islam they legitimately believed that white people
Speaker 3: were created in six hundred years of. Forced breeding that's
Speaker 3: not how. Genetics works, but, like okay and so you know,
Speaker 3: this scientifically it's been proven that that can't happen, like
Speaker 3: that but you still somehow believe that that's, the way.
Speaker 3: Like correctly Church, Of, Scientology dude it's.
Speaker 2: It's wild there's a lot of religions out there that
Speaker 2: are very, faith BASED.
Speaker 3: And I mean i could understand even a little bit
Speaker 3: of some faith, on that even some blind faith to
Speaker 3: a point if you were to show ME then, i
Speaker 3: mean and it's not even like, it's ay this church
Speaker 3: was corrupt because the guy in charge of this location
Speaker 3: was embezzling money or was a womanizer or something. LIKE
Speaker 3: that i could even, understand that like maybe that one
Speaker 3: house of worship was, Fucked up but the entire religion
Speaker 3: is Based, IN okay i can at least piece those.
Speaker 3: THINGS together i. Really can but when you have an
Speaker 3: entire quote unquote religion that from day one was founded,
Speaker 3: in bullshit, cult, behavior conspiracy con, man things the only
Speaker 3: way you can achieve the upper levels of your religion
Speaker 3: is to pay money for it or sell all. Your
Speaker 3: belongings and like you See what, i'm saying there is
Speaker 3: a distinct difference between a religion and. A, cult scientology
Speaker 3: by every METRIC that i can, look at is. A, cult,
Speaker 3: yeah well most religions they only want ten percent of.
Speaker 2: Your money the cults want one. Hundred percent that's the.
Speaker 3: ONLY one i know Of. Is jewish they're the ONLY
Speaker 3: ones i want. Ten percent that's not Even a. CHRISTIAN
Speaker 3: law a Lot of christians, took that but that's not
Speaker 3: supposed to Be a. Christian law it's not In The new.
Speaker 2: Testament anywhere, Oh well i'm sure that there are gonna
Speaker 2: be people that disagree with you.
Speaker 3: On that they can come. At me they can come
Speaker 3: at me on. That ONE honestly. I will i will
Speaker 3: go toe to toe with anybody who disagrees. On that
Speaker 3: it's not like. A fight but the tithe Is a
Speaker 3: jewish word For a, jewish law meaning a mandatory tenth
Speaker 3: of your talents. Or harvest it was actually forbidden to
Speaker 3: give money. As tithe as a matter, of fact the
Speaker 3: only time tithe is brought up in that context is
Speaker 3: twice In. The bible once whenever it's, for transportation, means
Speaker 3: like you have so much grain you can't, Carry it
Speaker 3: sell the grain and locally carry the money near the,
Speaker 3: temple storehouse buy equal parts grain and give it to.
Speaker 3: The temple Or when jesus came into the temple and
Speaker 3: saw they were turning a prophet off, the tithe and,
Speaker 3: he said you turn my father's house into a den.
Speaker 3: Of thieves there is no context for tithe to be
Speaker 3: brought Up Any. New Testament so i'm not saying you
Speaker 3: shouldn' donate to your church if it's an organization that
Speaker 3: you believe in and you would like to put money towards. Their,
Speaker 3: efforts hey WHO am i to tell you that? That's
Speaker 3: crazy shouldn't though a? Mandatory, Tenth, bro no that's not how,
Speaker 3: that works not. At all but that's a whole conversation for.
Speaker 3: Another day but beside the. Point here, So, scientology yeah
Speaker 3: the only way you can achieve their clearness is if
Speaker 3: you're willing to spend hundreds of thousands. Of, dollars yeah
Speaker 3: so you got people taking out mortgages on their home
Speaker 3: to get, this book a, new book or a new
Speaker 3: edition of, this book to get themselves even. More clear
Speaker 3: it's basically like it's. A cult the only way you
Speaker 3: can achieve higher levels of it is to reindoctrinate yourself
Speaker 3: into it. Even deeper it's. Like communism it's a spiritual.
Speaker 2: Pyramid.
Speaker 3: Scheme essentially it's a and THAT'S what i, called IT
Speaker 3: what i, said earlier IT'S a i would say it's a. Philosophical,
Speaker 3: cult yeah you got The god xenu and all. These
Speaker 3: things so to actually say YOU what i want to
Speaker 3: see if there's a YouTube Video, ABOUT xenu i guarantee
Speaker 3: there's a quick little something talking about their their Alien
Speaker 3: god xenu and what they believe. About it, but YEAH
Speaker 3: so i just have a hard time understanding and.
Speaker 2: See that it's not even crazy to me, THAT somebody,
Speaker 2: i mean let's just say somebody channeled this this. Alien
Speaker 2: entity stranger claims have been made all. Throughout history it's
Speaker 2: just weird that you only hear about it. In scientology,
Speaker 2: you know normally you'll get like h channeled ENTITIES like i.
Speaker 2: DON'T know, i mean Then there's bashar and.
Speaker 3: You took the words out of my mouth on. That
Speaker 3: one but he's not trying to lead. A cult he's
Speaker 3: not trying to spawn. A religion he's you See what.
Speaker 3: I'm saying he's not telling people to sell all their
Speaker 3: belongings and. Follow HIM so i don't see him as
Speaker 3: if you're gonna call him, a grifter it would be
Speaker 3: because he's making money off of like the content creation of.
Speaker 3: It all but That's not he's not trying to lead
Speaker 3: a new, religious movement you KNOW what, i mean nothing.
Speaker 3: Like that, but Yeah So lex friedman actually had this guy.
Speaker 3: Come on ex Scientologist Explains zenu scientology's. Galactic overlord This
Speaker 3: Is Aaron, smith levin who is a. Former member you ready, for? This? Bro,
Speaker 3: mmmm yeah.
Speaker 8: Let's go can, you describe you?
Speaker 7: Know please we spoke earlier about how at the lower
Speaker 7: non confidential Levels of, Scientology's bridge hubbard is saying that
Speaker 7: what's wrong with you is your. Reactive, mind, yes, okay well,
Speaker 7: in scientology once you've gotten rid of your, reactive mind
Speaker 7: that is what's called the state. Of, clear okay so
Speaker 7: after you finished state, of clear the next thing on
Speaker 7: the bridge is the. Ot, levels well if you've already
Speaker 7: gotten rid of your, active mind what the heck are
Speaker 7: you supposed to? Do, now, well Now El ron, Hubbard,
Speaker 7: says okay first what was wrong with you was just your.
Speaker 7: Reactive mind but now the next thing you have. To
Speaker 7: resolve the next thing that's wrong with you is you
Speaker 7: actually have tens of thousands of thetan's stuck to, your
Speaker 7: body and they all have their own. Reactive minds, oh
Speaker 7: wow you have to audit. The thetans how do you audit?
Speaker 7: The themes these are different shades of your inner mind
Speaker 7: and you have to try to access. Them somehow you
Speaker 7: use the e meter just like we, spoke about except
Speaker 7: now you've got a divider that separates the cans so
Speaker 7: they don't, short circuit and you hold both cans in,
Speaker 7: one hand and you have the emuter in front.
Speaker 3: Of you so now you're.
Speaker 7: Auditing yourself you're telepathically talking to the things that are stuck.
Speaker 7: To you you are thinking the commands instead of saying them,
Speaker 7: out loud and you sort of do drills where you
Speaker 7: practice looking for emeter reads at the instant you have,
Speaker 7: a thought you're telepathically auditing spirits That L ron hubbard
Speaker 7: says are stuck to. Your body does this sound like
Speaker 7: a recipe for a mental breakdown or a.
Speaker 3: Heck of a?
Speaker 8: Mental journey wherever that leads is a could. Lead anywhere
Speaker 8: it probably lead to a very, bad, place right very.
Speaker 7: Often does and you combine that with the fact that
Speaker 7: scientology is against any forms of mental help or health outside,
Speaker 7: of scientificology and you have a recipe. For disaster now you,
Speaker 7: might go where did all these spirits come from that
Speaker 7: are stuck to? Your body this Is where xenu comes.
Speaker 7: Into Play so hubbard says that seventy five million, Years
Speaker 7: ago xenu was basically a dictator At The. Galactic confederation
Speaker 7: is like seventy something or eighty something planets sit somewhere
Speaker 7: In The, milky Way and xenu was like, a dictator
Speaker 7: an overlord for either one of these planets or the.
Speaker 7: Whole system and they had a, population Problem and xenu,
Speaker 7: was like we need to get rid of like half,
Speaker 7: the people so we called them all in for. Tax
Speaker 7: Audits al hubbard didn't like, the irs so of course
Speaker 7: the story has to do with. Tax, audits okay called
Speaker 7: them all in for, tax audits said, psych bitches froze them,
Speaker 7: in glycol loaded them up on, space planes flew Them.
Speaker 7: To earth remember the story has To, be earth because
Speaker 7: the story is what's wrong? With us flew Them, to
Speaker 7: earth drop them, in volcanoes blew them up with, hydrogen
Speaker 7: bombs and then captured them with like. Spirit magnets making
Speaker 7: up words, because okay and these disembodied spirits of these
Speaker 7: people that got blown up have just been blown in
Speaker 7: the wind Here, on earth and they attach themselves, to
Speaker 7: things and they can be in, the environment and they
Speaker 7: stick to bodies and everything and so and they all have.
Speaker 7: Reactive minds so at scientology's, upper levels if you get
Speaker 7: sick or you, have cancer or there's something wrong, with
Speaker 7: you scientology, will say that's one of your. Body things
Speaker 7: you need to get some auditing to fix the.
Speaker 8: Body things so, this story you do it with a
Speaker 8: kind of a bit of, a chuckle but when, done
Speaker 8: seriously so it's just told in a, serious way like
Speaker 8: to like or.
Speaker 3: Written down it's. Run down you.
Speaker 7: Read it by, most accounts scientologists struggle when they read
Speaker 7: this for the first time because this is not consistent
Speaker 7: with what scientologists are hoping for us ON the. Ot
Speaker 7: levels they're hoping for some real life changing magic the
Speaker 7: way these things are described. And sold, they're remember they're
Speaker 7: hoping THAT these at levels are going to make them
Speaker 7: give them the ability to go like completely independent of,
Speaker 7: their body, at will exteriorize from, your body go back into,
Speaker 7: your body, you KNOW like i have some real.
Speaker 8: Spirit powers so first is kind of a shock, this
Speaker 8: is but then you still probably believe, you, hope yeah
Speaker 8: and you might be might turn into on yourself self
Speaker 8: critical that This is i'm just not strong. Enough, Yet
Speaker 8: yeah because also part of, the scientology remember it works
Speaker 8: one hundred percent of the time when used one hundred,
Speaker 8: percent correctly and if, it doesn't it could be because
Speaker 8: something's not being.
Speaker 7: Done right but it also could be because you're doing
Speaker 7: bad things that you're not telling. People about like if
Speaker 7: you're committing present time over its, crimes sins scientologists would,
Speaker 7: be like that's part of the reason auditing isn't working.
Speaker 7: On you it is because you're committing criminal behavior that
Speaker 7: you're not being. Honest about so every scientologist is sort
Speaker 7: of incentivized to make auditing work On, them, Okay, now
Speaker 7: lex this work is a. Little CRAZY on, ot three
Speaker 7: you learn about the ot the body things for the.
Speaker 7: First time when YOU finish, ot three you attest to
Speaker 7: having achieved the state of having no more. Body things
Speaker 7: and then YOU start ot four and, he's, like psych.
Speaker 3: You Got more you got.
Speaker 7: More bts except those other BT's they had drug problems
Speaker 7: and that's why you couldn't find them the. First time
Speaker 7: so we're gonna do something a little, different here do
Speaker 7: something a little. Different there got to get rid of
Speaker 7: these BT's that were addicted.
Speaker 5: To.
Speaker 7: Drugs okay then YOU finish ot four and, you're, THINKING
Speaker 7: man i hope you get to the good. Stuff soon
Speaker 7: and then you GET to ot five and, he's.
Speaker 3: Like psych you got.
Speaker 7: More bts you couldn't find these BT's because they were
Speaker 7: all bunched up together. In clusters in first you have
Speaker 7: to break up the clusters and then you can get
Speaker 7: rid of. The bts and, you're, like okay gotta.
Speaker 3: Do that and this was all Al around.
Speaker 7: Hubbard, approved yeah this is From L. Ron hubbard and
Speaker 7: then after YOU finish, ot five you get rid of
Speaker 7: ALL the. BT clusters ot six is just a training
Speaker 7: course to teach you HOW to. Autot, SEVEN well ot
Speaker 7: seven is NOW, more bts except it's in the. Environment
Speaker 7: stuff you're trying to. Locate bts you can find them on,
Speaker 7: your boby but it's just, more. Bts okay AND then
Speaker 7: ot eight is remember we talked about in all these
Speaker 7: auditing sessions throughout the Entire, scientology bridge you have people
Speaker 7: who've run hundreds or thousands of past life whole. Track
Speaker 7: incidents these memories have become part of their self identity
Speaker 7: of who they even think.
Speaker 3: THEY are.
Speaker 7: Ot eight you go through all these past life recalls
Speaker 7: And essentially i'm oversimplifying this a. Little bit, he, goes
Speaker 7: psych all those past life memories, weren't yours they WERE.
Speaker 3: Your bts.
Speaker 7: And, he goes now that you've, discovered this now you
Speaker 7: know who you are not and you are ready to
Speaker 7: find out who you.
Speaker 3: Really, are well now you're.
Speaker 7: Supposed to find out who you.
Speaker 3: Really ARE on ot nine, and ten those. Don't exist they.
Speaker 2: Don't exist so he never finished the dogma.
Speaker 3: OR what i don't think he actually expected somebody to
Speaker 3: spend eight hundred thousand dollars On each like one of
Speaker 3: these books is like one. Hundred GRAND so ot eight
Speaker 3: you've soaked a fortune into mind fucking yourself so hard
Speaker 3: that you don't even know who you. Are anymore and
Speaker 3: then you're left.
Speaker 2: With that to think that people legitimately believe that this
Speaker 2: is what's. Going on, you would but.
Speaker 3: Earlier with THE whole, xenu situation it's not like this
Speaker 3: is unlike any other religion or any. Other movement It's
Speaker 3: like homeboy just brought them here and said, fuck off
Speaker 3: and now they are like not, Even demons they're not
Speaker 3: even comparable. To that it's just their entities that will attach.
Speaker 3: To you, and LIKE and i love how he said it.
Speaker 3: Like that if this isn't working, for you if you're
Speaker 3: if your e meeter is not working, for you these audits, aren't,
Speaker 3: working well it's because you are not doing. It right
Speaker 3: you didn't apply it the right way, to yourself or
Speaker 3: or you've got something you're not, telling us and that's
Speaker 3: why we can't help you. Even further you See what, i'm,
Speaker 3: Saying dude this is. A, cult yeah it's it seems
Speaker 3: Like a marvel universe. Gone wrong and this is all
Speaker 3: by the sci fi Writer L, ron hubbard and all
Speaker 3: that led To Operations snow white and all of the
Speaker 3: other operations that have happened of espionage and attempted assassinations
Speaker 3: of people who were just trying to do what that
Speaker 3: guy just did On The Lex frieman show and just talk.
Speaker 2: About it this is like If stan lee was a
Speaker 2: maniacal overlord who wanted everybody to Believe That iron man
Speaker 2: was a. Real, character yep that's what it. Sounds like
Speaker 2: AND so, i mean and to, be honest there are
Speaker 2: a lot of, people WHO like i don't want, to
Speaker 2: Say worship marvel characters by, any means BUT definitely i, idolize,
Speaker 2: them yeah. BIG time, i, MEAN dude i have tattoos
Speaker 2: of superheroes, on me. You know so, it's like how
Speaker 2: far do you want to? Take that but, you know,
Speaker 2: this guy he was almost trying to bring fiction into.
Speaker 2: A reality. I don't i don't just by learning what we've,
Speaker 2: LEARNED today i don't even think That Al ron hubbard believed.
Speaker 2: This NONSENSE like i think it was absolutely a money
Speaker 2: grab because there is there are a lot of spiritually
Speaker 2: hungry people who are trying to search for truth in
Speaker 2: all corners of, the world and this guy found a
Speaker 2: way to make a fucking gazillion dollars off, of it
Speaker 2: and and the fact that all those people that we
Speaker 2: named earlier that are still, In it, it's, like bro
Speaker 2: what the fuck is actually wrong?
Speaker 3: With you they're psychopaths and they've probably paid all that
Speaker 3: money and gone through these levels and all. This shit
Speaker 3: now they don't even know who they. Are anymore how
Speaker 3: do you even call? THIS scientology i wouldn't, you know
Speaker 3: it's it's not. A church this IS a i could
Speaker 3: see it being like a networking thing for, the Elites the.
Speaker 3: Hollywood types you want to make it in. The industry
Speaker 3: you know this group over here has some. Powerful players
Speaker 3: you want to get In good you want to be
Speaker 3: a part of the click and all. That shit what
Speaker 3: was that movie With Uh martin? Martin Shit eddie murphy
Speaker 3: was playing the guy and it was a comedy and
Speaker 3: it Was all this guy's name Was. Kit rams they
Speaker 3: had to find a guy that looked just like him
Speaker 3: to play him in a movie that he didn't even
Speaker 3: know that he. Was in you Know what i'm?
Speaker 2: TALKING about i don't think.
Speaker 3: So, shit basically there was this one part where it
Speaker 3: was like he was a part of this group Called,
Speaker 3: mind head and it was it was an organization that
Speaker 3: was supposed to be a spoof off, of scientology but,
Speaker 3: like this it's that's. What happens you get these people
Speaker 3: that are already mentally weak and they're looking for something
Speaker 3: to attach. Themselves to you get this group that's got
Speaker 3: a lot of, powerful people a lot of, wealthy people all,
Speaker 3: these things and it's, like ah by the time you
Speaker 3: get to the end and you realize it's. All bullshit
Speaker 3: you have soaked how many years, into this how much money?
Speaker 3: Into this and they have all of, your dirty darkest
Speaker 3: secrets because you gave them up willingly to try to
Speaker 3: free yourself from all. These things so now.
Speaker 2: You're, fucked yeah this, is uh this, is. Crazy DUDE
Speaker 2: like i wish that they would have called it something
Speaker 2: other than SCIENTOLOGY because i can get behind some of
Speaker 2: the things that science is finding as far as like
Speaker 2: spiritual modalities. Or, Whatever right like you you find the
Speaker 2: yin yang with, Quantum entanglement like, that's, Crazy right like,
Speaker 2: that's science that's. Spiritual. Science proven this shit is not scientific.
Speaker 2: At all like there's nothing scientific about any, of this.
Speaker 3: Not even a. Little. Bit dude it's wild so good.
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