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Speaker 1: What is up Felasiko's I am Dan Valley coming at

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you with Mort Jensen of the NBA Podcast, fame of Forbes,

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fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of HBO, Max Fame, and

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most notably of Only Fans Celebrity. We are here to

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talk about Grant and I just discussed whether the most

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dominant starts for NBA teams were for real. We're now

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gonna buy or sell some NBA breakouts, which players are

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exceeding expectations, are really balling right now that we didn't

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see coming. We only had really two rules. One No

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Victor Wemenyama. We've talked enough about Victor Wemenyama and everything

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you see from him is for real. And when Mort

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and I were going back and forth, no rookies were included,

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because it's cool that Cedric Coward is doing his thing.

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Ryan Kulkbrenner apparently isn't gonna miss ever. But they're rookies,

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and so it's we'll do separately. We'll talk about rookies

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at some point before we dive in. Though, mister Mort Jensen,

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how the heck.

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Speaker 2: Are you doing well? Sir? Doing well? I mean, look,

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not talking about Vitama is tough, but I think we'll manage.

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Speaker 1: I think. I bet you. He comes up because of

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a player that we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 2: I know, al Bride Shinkoun. Yeah that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Uh you ready to get started, sir?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: First player is Matus Bouzellis, and we're gonna give more

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the talking stick because he is our resident Bulls fan.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, oh god, you and Brian support it. Man,

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I'm gonna need to spank the ever living fuck out

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of you guys. No good time, I know, I see

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I was setting you up for that one. Look. I

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might be skeptical of the Bulls at large and their

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entire philosophy of we only need eight to nine good

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players and then we can compete for a title. No,

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no you can't. But I will say, off those eight

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to nine good players, Matzas Pozillas certainly fits that bill.

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He might actually be somewhat this savior in Chicago because

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this guy has legitimate star upside. I just can't hate

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on this guy, nor do I want to. I liked

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him from the draft and allwards. When they picked him

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at eleventh last year, I was like, yeah, they should have.

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He fell into their laps but they made the right call.

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Like I will give them credit for that, because if

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they had passed on him, bad move. This is a

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guy I absolutely love, six', ten extremely, mobile extremely. Athletic

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his movement patterns off the ball is so underrated to,

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me and it's something that we need to talk a

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little bit more. About, defensively you, know he doesn't have

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the best metrics or rosstats in that, category but you

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can just sense he is so good at rotating in

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the right times and like the timing of it all

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is so potent that he discourages teams to shoot from certain.

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Angles AND i think that more than just raw blocks

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or steals for that, example is such a good way

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to like pinpoint good. Defense like if you can deter

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players from flat out shooting or to change their, shots

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that's a good. Defender he certainly fits that. Bill the

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off ball, Stuff daniels where he really sold, me because

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WHAT i was nervous about coming into this season, was you,

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know the idea of like a Heliocentric Josh giddy, offense

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because we saw last year at plenty plenty of times

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that the offense would stagnate he would stand around just

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dribbling the basketball just sort of a little bit Like

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Carmelo anthony when he was you, know when he was

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at his, worst so to, speak didn't really move the.

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Ball he would stand, still he would allow the defense to.

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Set Now Billy donovan has implemented more off ball. Movement,

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giddy for, example is passing the ball a little bit

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quicker after he crosses half. Court for, example he's setting

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Up Trey. Jones Tray jones is getting some angles covered

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and like just creating new. Looks but the Way bussella's

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has reacted to those two guards and their intraplay and

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the increased movement is just so fricking. Beautiful like he's

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not afraid to launch, Three so like he'll step into

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an open shot from there if he sees his defender

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just move his head just an inch or to. Boom

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he's back, cutting like he is reading the defense, Constantly

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like he's probing without the, ball he's cutting off the,

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ball he's catching and, shooting and of course even when

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he's on the, ball he's doing stuff with it as.

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Well but like he's finding that balance of being both

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an off ball on ball. Player so basically what he's

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Becoming dan is he's becoming one of those pluck and

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play guys in my, opinion like we need to see

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if the three point shot is. Real that is something

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we still. Think we need a little bit more volume to,

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it and we need a little bit more experience on

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that level to just gauge.

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Speaker 1: It but he's seventeen on arc threes, though to start

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the year is a pretty big. Deal above the back

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threes is a pretty big.

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Speaker 2: Deal, no he's he's been really good to start the.

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Year but we're only six game, in So i'm a little.

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CAUTIOUS i don't want to like oversell him too. Much

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but but, no he's he's becoming a guy WHO i

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think has the potential at least to become one of

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those luck and play wings who breaks that pattern of

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being you, know the oh, yeah here's a, long athletic

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wing who can only play. Defense so this guy will,

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score he will, rebound he'll, Defend he even tries to

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play make it a little, bit although that is still the

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weakest part of his. GAME i think we're looking at

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a guy who is going to make at least One

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All star, team if not more down the. Line so

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you're just.

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Speaker 1: Basically saying that he's a merge Of giannis And Lowry.

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Speaker 2: Marketing, well he's you know what he. Is he he

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could be What Lauri marketIn should have been In. Chicago

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that's probably the best way to phrase.

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Speaker 1: It do you see cause you mentioned that you think

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the playmaking is the weakest part of his, game AND

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i would probably. Agree do you see the ability for

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him to do more? There or even just as a

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frum scratch type of. GUY i think right, now when

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you Have Josh, giddy you don't even Have Kobe white,

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yet and the way that you want to play, fast

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you don't need him to do any of that. Stuff

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but like when you're looking at when The bulls are

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going to go up against set, defenses and what does

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The this is probably jumping too far, ahead but what

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does the next iteration of this? Team Is Kobe white

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still there at the end of this? Year Is io still? There?

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Is Is voot still? There do you see the ability

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for him to do? More AS i guess the term

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would be maybe as a focal. Point M.

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Speaker 2: M i think we're gonna need to see more reps

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BEFORE i can sit here with absolute certainty and say.

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Yes but we have seen some on boald. Juice we

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have seen. That we have seen him get into.

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Speaker 1: Love hearing you say on ball, juice.

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Speaker 2: Right it's, true it's. True and we we've we've seen

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him get into the. Paint we've seen him get to you,

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know the elbows and make place off the, dribble even

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like making the right entry pass or just seeing a.

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Cutter so like there is a type of court. MISSION

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i think it needs to be a little. Refined we

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also have to remember he's super. Young he turned twenty

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one to three weeks. Ago, like he's very very, young this.

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Kid So i'm not going to see her and, say,

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oh you, know his playmaking is. Bad there's a REASON

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i phrased it AS i did by saying this is

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the weakest part of his, game because in a couple of,

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years it might not, be you, know the weakest part

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of his. Game it might not be even a bad

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part of his. Game, WAY i don't even think it's

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a bad like he's a bad. PLAYMAKER i think there

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is creation. Upside we just need to see more of.

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It but to your, point when the ball is going

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through the hands Of Josh Gideon Trey, jones as it

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is right, now and then later On Kobe, white it

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becomes a math. Problem at the end of the, DAY

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i do trust him to get a tighter. HANDLE i

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do trust him to improve that court vision. Further the

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height alone is working to his. ADVANTAGE i love this.

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GUY i absolutely love this. Guy if we were doing

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Like Elite pass ranking of individual, players he'd probably be

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in my top, twenty top. Fifteen LIKE i find him

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extremely entertaining to.

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Speaker 1: WATCH i agree with. YOU i think he's super, entertaining

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AND i think for him the low hanging. Fruit i'll say,

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This i'm gonna buy just because it feels like everything

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he's if we're buying or selling, These i'm gonna buy

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the breakout just because THIS a lot of this feels

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like him building off what we saw In flickers And

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flashes next year so last, year excuse, Me and SO

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i think that ends up being a really big. Deal

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i'm just to wrap up the playmaking. Thing i'm just

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wondering if he can ever become someone who he's a

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little predictable on drives right, now and so it's can

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he just this is the, Thing but you also look

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at these guys and it's conthy town still can't pass

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out of his, drives BUT i think Modest bouzelsi's young

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enough to where it's, okay this is year, two super.

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Young let's see if that becomes a part of his.

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GAME i would buy this, one THOUGH i might be

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it's not. Tainted i'm definitely influenced by HOW i felt

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about him last year as. Well.

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Speaker 2: RAY i will say this to wrap it, up because

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it was almost too much of a love. Fest there

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is one element THAT i do think is reasonable to

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ask more, of even as currently constructed and even as

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just a twenty one year, OLD i do think rebounding,

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wise he needs to be a little bit more. Aggressive

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like he's six,' ten, he's athletic, he's agile he's really good,

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at actually, you know finding his way. Into seams he

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can do that as well by attacking. THE class i

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think there have been moments where he's been a little

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too passive on, That front so that Is something i'll

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be looking for him to improve on as the. C

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snaches some, of.

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Speaker 1: That though definitely has to Do, with okay you Play

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with Vouch And, josh, giddy right so those are guys

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that are going to grab. Up boards, but yeah that's

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a that's a. Good point you buying?

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Speaker 2: Or selling are we doing buying or? Selling that just

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buying the upside or buying the?

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Speaker 1: Big buy is what he's? Doing now? Is real or

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do you think? It's?

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Speaker 2: Good oh real buying buying buying a lot, Of, stock.

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Speaker 1: Yes buying a lot of long term Stock And, BOZELL'S yes.

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Speaker 2: I Am buying. Busilli's island And.

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Speaker 1: This zach lowe has started getting.

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Speaker 2: On that.

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Speaker 1: He's right not everything can to be. An island speaking of, an,

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Island Though, josh giddy he's off to a rollicking start to.

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THE year i think even if you Said That kobe

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white was going to, miss time would you have Prejicted

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That josh giddy would Be the bulls. Leading scorer.

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Speaker 2: That's a. GOOD question i don't think. I'D ever i

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hadn't thought, about it to be quite honest. With you

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SO maybe i will say he's played a lot better

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over the course of the past. THREE games i thought

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his start to the season was. NOT great i actually

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thought he was for the first, three games. FOUR games

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i thought he was the fifth best bull and now

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he's really. LEVELING up i thought he needed to have

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a couple of games where he asserted himself offensively just

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to kind of prove. A point so we're looking at

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something that's becoming. More interesting, Still skeptical dan still really

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skeptical of like the ripple Effects Of, josh Kitty, right

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like he still doesn't bend defenses off, the ball that

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is still. An issue seems we're still giving him a ton,

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of space and you have to wonder what that would

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look like in a play in slash, playoff setting because

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at the end of, THE day i assume that's Where

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the bulls want, to be since they refuse to pivot the,

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other Direction, RIGHT like i have to assume that they want,

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to win that they want to get into. The PLAYOFFS

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and i just wonder the lack of his natural spacing

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prowess and the way that he just does not affect

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the game much off. The ball is that going to

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limit him? Moving forward like HE will i think, TO

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guy who can help you get into, the postseason but

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then when, YOU'RE there i don't know if he's actually

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helping you or.

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Speaker 1: HURTING you i think one of the big changes that

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we've SEEN that i do think really increases long term

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value is that he looks better and more apt to

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play into and, through contact and so when moever shots

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are coming at, the rim he's shooting a career percentage at.

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The rim not a super high clip relative to the

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rest of, the league but for him it's. Pretty high

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shooting fifty percent from, float range which would also be a.

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Career high and so if he can be more decisive

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and physical in, those spots he can eat up space

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that the defenses are going to give him from beyond.

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The ARC and i think if HE'S also i think

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if he's also going to continue to shoot such a

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high clip, from three that you will naturally if this

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holds for an, entire season the playoff aspect will. Be

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different teams will still leave, him open but he will have.

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More gravity we've seen It With, lou dort his, former TEAMMATE.

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And okc if you take them enough and hit enough

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of them over a sustained period, of time you're never

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going to be respected the way that some other, guys

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are but you will draw a. Close out and so

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for him to be balancing those two things right, NOW

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now i think is. ABSOLUTELY huge i think What the

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bulls are doing kind of. Does spotlight some of the

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concern that we've talked a lot about is the team

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isn't necessarily tailored to, him specifically but he has a

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lot of freedom the way That the bulls are, currently

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built and he's driving value. In transition, for sure they're

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seven points better per one hundred with him, in transition

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what my question, would be and by, the way him

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personally one point five points per possession. In transition and

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to my point before about how he is doing better,

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with contact he has a career high foul rate in

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transition right now. As well all. Good THINGS where i

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start to and this might be an extension of what

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you're talking about, the PLAYOFFS where i still have some

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concern is just in the half court or if you're

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going to need to eat up space or come around

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screens and hit a pull. Up jumper that still doesn't

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feel like it's part of. His game and he's sub

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thirty percent on pull up twos at, the moment he's

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at like thirty percent on pull. Up threes the half

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court off v is borderline worse when he's on, the

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court and That's been we've seen that fluctuate a lot

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throughout his, entire CAREER and i, don't know, you know

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a lot of the off ball stuff will be put

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to the Test Once kobe white. Comes back to Where

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Can josh getty be the type of guy that we're

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talking about eating? Up space but it's one thing to

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do that when you have the ball in. Your hands

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it's another thing entirely if you're going to be displaced

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form it a little. Bit more maybe the solve is

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this is someone we want on the ball because he

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is a better Passer Than. Kobe white some of the

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passes he's.

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Speaker 2: The best let's real. About, that, yeah right he's.

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Speaker 1: The best passer on. The team and then like, you

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know some of the passes that the timing on them

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is weird and there could, Be turnovers but a lot

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of that is he's also not. In Fury the bulls are,

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on fire but he's not working with like the most

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seasoned form of personnel or the most reliable Aside From

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madis bozellis is going to BE. An mvp we. Already

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decided we've been asked a lot in our comments people.

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HAVE received i think they commented on the video we

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DID is i Graded the bulls harshly when they made

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the Trade For, josh giddy Like Trading alex Caruso For.

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Josh Gidty and i've had a lot of well some,

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of them it's, been respectful like to, be clear like

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how do you feel about? This now and you still

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give THEM a? D minus and, then, like well how

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are you? Feeling now like Is, any look we're less

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than ten games into. This season So Is josh getty

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making me rethink a lot? Of, things Sure but i'm

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not going to change my stance at. The, Time profinitively

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i'm more open To What josh getty can Do, for

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CHICAGO but, i like you still don't view him as

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The contract we said it when he. Signed it the contract.

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Is fine we Didn't, have like Could the bulls have?

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Negotiated harder it seems like they. Could have they didn't give,

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into EVERYTHING but i don't know that they won of.

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The negotiation this is a really. Good player maybe he

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ends up Making An all, star team but if he

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is central to everything, YOU'RE doing i don't know what the.

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Ceiling is AND if i Were, THE bulls i would

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have preferred first round Equity For. Alex caruso if you're

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asking in a vacuum who is. More Talented josh getty

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can do more things. Than That But alex cruizo just

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helped the thunder win a, Title too, So no i'm

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not going to SAY that i think The thunder like

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lost out when They Traded, josh gitty and you can, also,

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say well then it made sense for. BOTH sides I

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think i'm more open to that idea, than EVER but

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i still we need to see. This sustain this Version Of,

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josh gitty specifically the, contact stuff the foul dry like

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that needs to sustain for an entire year because it's

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such an abnormality to the way he has played in.

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The PAST but i kudos to him And The bulls

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like they have implemented a style that. Suits him he's

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way more of a fit here than he Was In.

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Oklahoma city but we do have to grap it with

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the Reality Of oklahoma city was a title contender and

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decided that he wasn't going to elevate them to that.

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Next step And the bulls, right now this is, all

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fine this is, all great this is. All grand what

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does he look like if he's your second or third

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best player on?

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Speaker 2: The team question is how does he look at your.

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Best player that should be the question because that's the

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way they're, framing him that's how they're. Playing him but

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we're kind.

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Speaker 1: Of seeing It, WHERE no i don't Think the bulls

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are gonna lose, like win, you know five out of

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every six games that, They Play but i'm more so

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looking at can this well that, is fair that's a,

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fair question, say well how good Are the bulls if

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this Is Just josh. GIDDY'S team i don't know what

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the ceiling on that, would be but my question would

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more so be like how can he fit into the

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larger context of? The offense and also like the thing

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that's gonna Change Is kobe White's Not trey Jones Or

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io desummu on the, defensive end and so that's going

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to Be like i'm gonna be interested to see How

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the bulls run out these. Two together, they Did the

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bulls did close the season strong, last year but there's

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a lot of. NOISE there i THINK where i would

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land TO say i probably was out On The josh

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giddy basketball experience. Too SOON but i don't think my

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doubts of oh can he be a good? Basketball player

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that it was never rooted in, that specifically AND so

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i still have a lot of, those concerns but what

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we're seeing right now is. CERTAINLY encouraging i.

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Speaker 2: Have so many thoughts and comments to. All this first,

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AND foremost i want to attack this whole idea with,

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you know oh do you like? The? Trait now that

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is such a dumb way. Of phrasing and because you

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have to look at a trade at, the time that

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that is how you conduct. A trade you look at

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that and, You, go okay what is this player's value?

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Right now could we have squeezed more out? Of it

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you can't sit there and bake, in well this guy

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might go down as. Someone better and that's why we're

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willing to relinquish.

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Speaker 1: Very Neat harrison MAVs fans don't get the vision of

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us winning the lottery framework because even if you're NOT

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and i don't even, mean interject but even if you're,

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not saying, you know they could have gotten more first

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round picks from, another team would you Rather Have josh

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giddy Or? Too, MIDEN first i think the real question

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is could they have gotten more out of, the thunder

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specifically with their, Trade partner and THE answer i would assume,

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Is yes.

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Speaker 2: And that's my, point exactly like you want to. Get more,

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like so, for exam When the Bulls Traded jimmy butler

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right To The, minnesota timberwolves that was in, twenty seventeen

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they got laurded market in, you know the draft, pick

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there but they also relinquished the sixteenth overall pick Back.

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To minnesota and to me at, THAT time i, was

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like why you're Giving Up. Jimmy butler you don't have

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to give up the sixteenth pick in the draft. As

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well like that was and that was even under. Former

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management that's always been a Thing, in, chicago, like well

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we don't want to a trade to just, go away

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so like will relinquish and we'll add in something that's.

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Totally unnecessary and this was one of those things again

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Where the bulls could have. Gotten more, so, Like no

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i'm not going to change my stance on, you Know

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the giddy trade because when people are saying how do you? Like,

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it now you're, asking, us Oh Did? Artres cornershovs did

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he have? The foresight did he have the ability to

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look forward? IN time i promise you he. Does not

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he's one of the worst negotiators in the. Entire league, So,

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like no that's the, First, Thing, saily, well OKAY.

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Speaker 1: Those I Own kobe white contracts turned out. Pretty, Good,

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no No.

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Speaker 2: That's i've always that's the One thing i've always complimented

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that this. Regime about that wasn't just, those two it

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was Also The jalen smith contract that too was. Pretty

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good they've done they've. DONE well i think.

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Speaker 1: You've been a lot Higher on john's with, than most

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but he has been largely Unspectacular.

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Speaker 2: In, chica WELL that's i they Could have.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel, About that mama kels Freely may.

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Speaker 2: I'm, Trying yeah I'm Throw mama. Keylas, freely, yes yes

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they could have. HAD him i would have rather. Had him, you're,

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right yes that that is unfair that you chose one

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of my. Favorite players you know what you were. Doing

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there the second point here in regards to like the

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half court stuff and like the, CEILING wise I Think

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josh giddy is becoming this generation's litmus test in terms

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of like are people watching closely or are they still enthralled?

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By rawstats because when you look at this line, right

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now twenty two points, nine rebounds nine assists looks, fucking,

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fantastic right like you're looking at and, you're, going oh,

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my god this Is like luca like that that is

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within those. Same spheres, it's not though not even remotely.

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Like it's it's when you watch, the games you're seeing

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how it's so tailored, towards him and they're closing off

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like weakness's path because, they, know oh he just can't,

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do this so let's hide his ass in so many of,

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these actions like when you, watch closely you realize the

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rosstats they certainly do not tell you the. Whole story,

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And defensively i'm still worried. As hell the guy can't Bend,

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Over dan like everything he's doing is like, standing up

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like if you can't even get into a defensive stands and.

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Stop guards like, to me he's not a. Point guard he's.

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A forward he's like a three or, a four and

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he's like a ball handling forward who needs to have,

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you know point of. Attack defenders in terms, of guards

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he needs to have other ball handlers. Around him that

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is where you, optimize him because that allows you to

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have a presence of a different guard on. The floor,

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for example Him And trey jones in the early parts of,

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THIS year i freaking Loved it dan because last year

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he was like the guy who was. Doing everything it

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was almost Bordering on. Healey centric now you had a

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guy who could break down, the defense who could get someone.

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To react now You're turning josh getting in too like

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the secondary creator for a couple. Of possessions that is

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where he. Just shines that is. His ROLE so i

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hate the idea Of like pigeon holding him into like the.

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Point guard he's a. Point guard he's a playmaking wing,

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if anything that's where. He shines.

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Speaker 1: So we probably could Talk About trey jones too if

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we were speaking. Of breakouts that dude's been. ON fire i,

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LOVE him I love let's frame let's frame it this

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by then buy Or Sell josh giddy over under going

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over Point Five all star appearances for his career.

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Speaker 2: Point. Point five, so like so he's.

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Speaker 1: Making it buy Or Sell josh giddy Making An all. Star, team.

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Speaker 2: Well so let me let me because you have to

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help me on. This one so in terms of Like

468
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,640
The all, star voting it is twenty five, and, fans right,

469
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:01,440
mm hmm.

470
00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:04,799
Speaker 1: That's starters Though The all star serves are chosen, by

471
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,480
coaches it won't be players fans.

472
00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 2: Or, media Okay then i'm gonna say UNDER because, i think,

473
00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:12,640
you know assuming it. Is Coaches like i've, Said Before

474
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,079
keith smith has told us repeatedly through, you know his

475
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,519
sources as well that oftentimes coaches like delegate this responsibilities

476
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:23,720
to like. Video guys so that's that's. The thing but

477
00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:27,160
if it's coaches actually Voting On All star, WARS stars

478
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,160
i think they're gonna find players who are more Influential Than.

479
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,400
Josh Giddy So i'm i'm gonna go. The under and

480
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,880
if he makes it, this Year already i'm gonna. Eat,

481
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,000
CROW yeah I.

482
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,519
Speaker 1: Think i'm going To Sell josh giddy As An. ALL star,

483
00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:44,079
i mean there's a lot of injuries In the east though,

484
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:52,799
this Year, this tatum there's a lot of and, Then Yeah,

485
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,720
Trey young i'll. Buy it i'm just gonna.

486
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 2: Buy it, just okay, all right that see. THAT'S fair

487
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:03,039
i hadn't consider that all. The, injuries okay you, Know

488
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,400
what i'm gonna change my Stands and i'm gonna, say over,

489
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:08,880
BUT exclusive i want the record to reflect that it's. Injury,

490
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,880
Related dan so.

491
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: You're selling the Idea Of josh giddy As An all

492
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,160
star but you're buying the idea that he can Make

493
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,039
An all star team is basically what you're saying. Pretty much,

494
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:24,079
next up you're A guy John finkaminga what are you notice? From?

495
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: HIM so i noticed that he's not looking over his. Shoulder,

496
00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:35,000
anymore basically he is playing with a sense of URGENCY

497
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,200
that i Don't think i've seen from. Him, BEFORE like

498
00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:40,920
i understand that some of the numbers may not look

499
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,559
as great as they did in the past, when you,

500
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,400
you know look at it through a per. Minute LENS

501
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,759
but i think he's just been solid. This year the three.

502
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,400
POINT shot, I mean i'm it's a small, sample, size

503
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,960
granted but like there's a. Level there when he gets

504
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,319
his feet just set the, right way when the confidence

505
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,480
is flowing, that shock that shot is starting to. Look good,

506
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:06,039
you know he's sitting at an almost forty four percent from,

507
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:08,799
the outside he's hitting eighty four from. The line he's

508
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:13,079
still converting. On, twos like, OFFENSIVELY speaking i think we're

509
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,519
seeing a more refined version. Of him, you know he's

510
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:20,079
playmaking a little, bit more, he's rebounding, he's putting he's

511
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,920
being put on the best perimeter offensive player from the,

512
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,640
opponents like so he's getting the toughest defensive assignment on

513
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,079
several occasions when it's, not him It's obviously Jimmy. Or

514
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,279
draymond but like if you have a guy, Who's Shifty

515
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,079
steve kurtz not afraid To use kumika's athleticism to try

516
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,640
to negate some. OF that i, You Know I'm i'm

517
00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:47,960
i'm just appreciating the fact that we're seeing him turn

518
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:54,640
into that, more, consistent reliable forward slash wing that we

519
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,240
have for so many years been. WAITING for I think

520
00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,440
i think we're finally seeing.

521
00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: Right now i've been really impressed that it does seem

522
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,839
like he is fitting. IN better i don't know if

523
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,079
it has to, do with like, you said no longer

524
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,359
looking over, his shoulder if something's. Just clicked does he

525
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,920
have a little bit more of? A runway they have

526
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:15,680
not been afraid what was the whole thing at the

527
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,079
start of the year where he can't include him in

528
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,720
the starting lineup Because so Draymond And, jimmy butler they've

529
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,160
been unafraid to. Try that his three point. Shooting helps

530
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:25,400
he's passing on a higher percentage of his drives. As

531
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,240
well he's been ultra efficient. In those he's, over sixty,

532
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,359
he says shooting sixty three percent. On drives and so

533
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,119
you look at everyone who's made more than fifteen shots,

534
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,160
on drives here's everyone who's shooting a better Percentage, Than,

535
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,720
Kamenka Doncicic, Giannis, Peyton Pritchard, Jalen Johnson, Austin Reeves Jared,

536
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:46,759
jackson Junior And. Julius randall and so, he's right he's right,

537
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,400
up there and the fact that he's willing to defer

538
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,319
more on them kind of a. Big deal we've seen,

539
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,000
moments though where he'll revert back to, you know he

540
00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:56,880
wants to go right the balls in his hands and

541
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,000
he's just going to. Do it but there's also like

542
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,880
kind of value and having that bailout option sometimes and

543
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,200
he still has when it doesn't, always work like the

544
00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:08,640
agility with which he can spin with the ball in

545
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,599
his hands or kind of change direction or Decide like

546
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,000
i'm really gonna power it to. The rim there's never

547
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,599
gonna be the same dynamism As A jimmy butler in,

548
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,079
that scenario but he's he's, got it and so it

549
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,799
was a. Long time jonathan, KAMINGA skeptic I think i

550
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,680
buy the idea of him fitting in more with the

551
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:27,519
macro picture Of. The warriors my actual buy or sell

552
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,960
question here, more though buy Or sell jonathan kaminga being

553
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:35,079
On the warriors past the trade deadline, now though because

554
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,160
of what, We're seeing.

555
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:41,559
Speaker 2: I'm still selling because we have to factor in his

556
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,640
relationship To the warriors. As well and it felt like

557
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,319
that was. Pretty Out like i'm open to the idea that, he's, like,

558
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,240
oh okay we're, cool now, we're fine but we, don't

559
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,519
know like he might just be looking at this as

560
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,799
a way of, ALL right i mean the biggest display

561
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,200
window of all time right Now that i'm going to

562
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:04,079
make the most of it to try to get out.

563
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,559
OF here i don't know if that's. The case. He can,

564
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,880
you know he's doing everything right. Right now he's saying the,

565
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,839
right things he's playing the, right way but you don't

566
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,039
really know where his head, is at and we just

567
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,960
all what we know is that he and them and

568
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,680
it became such a contentious relationship with the course. Of

569
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,359
summer so that's the ONLY thing i can sort of

570
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,720
pick at a little bit, and, say, oh like this

571
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,759
is some data we have from. Back then if everything

572
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:36,720
is no Pun intended Kumbaya. For kuminga, it's yeah that

573
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,880
changes the course of the narrative and. The discussion but

574
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:43,799
from what we know right now is that the two

575
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,599
entities are are looking to go their, separate ways and

576
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:50,640
That's what i'm until we know, something more that's The

577
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:50,960
one i'm.

578
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: Leaning towards i'm gonna buy him still being there after,

579
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,559
THE trade i. Don't know i'm still curious as to

580
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,759
what Are the warriors going to be looking for if

581
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:01,359
this the Version of cominga, they HAD and i know

582
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,799
they've had a, couple bad. Bad Losses Shorthanded central division

583
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:09,480
teams are apparently their, achilles heel but what are they supposed?

584
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:12,200
To get you're you're then talking about how do you Upgrade,

585
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,000
from KAMINGA because i guess there's still a chance that

586
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,839
you view them as being able, to upgrade not from a,

587
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,039
talent perspective maybe from a. Fit perspective but if this

588
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,920
is the Version of kaminga, you're getting and there also

589
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,920
might be a level of how are we actually supposed

590
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,519
to upgrade? From him unless we're gonna go all in on,

591
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,799
someone ELSE and i don't know who would be. That

592
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,599
player lock can. Change Now between february fit Now and,

593
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,200
February fifth i'm gonna buy him being on the win

594
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,960
layers to finished.

595
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: THE season i actually like that because what you're really

596
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:43,680
saying is two parties are coming together and hashing out.

597
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,480
THEIR differences i like that on a.

598
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:49,119
Speaker 1: Human, level look it's ALSO just i might be sipping

599
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,559
the early season kool. Aid here they've had a couple bad,

600
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,000
losses too and but, he's played HE'S been i hate

601
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,079
to overuse, this phrase but he's been more plug and

602
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,000
PLAY than i. Ever expect and they look they've done

603
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,039
a nice job of balancing like he is a usage rate,

604
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:03,400
of base Him And jimmy butler basically have the same

605
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,000
usage rate when him when all four, Of, Them, Steph,

606
00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:08,440
draymond Jimmy and jonathan can make around. The court to

607
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:10,519
find that type. Of balance steph is always going to

608
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:13,359
be that's what, you want finishing plays for you on an.

609
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,279
Ideal possession but if you're able to strike that kind

610
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:18,240
of balance between Him And jimmy butler when they're on

611
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:20,799
the Court with Steph, AND draymond i think that's a really.

612
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,640
Big deal and the offense even just one, twenty four

613
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:26,200
when all those four guys are when those THREE guys

614
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,759
i don't Even have steph in there as the filter

615
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:29,480
are on. THE floor i think that when that was

616
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:32,559
one of people's biggest concerns coming in and even dating

617
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:34,319
back to, LAST year i think that's really kind of a.

618
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: HUGE deal i know you're not sipping the, kool aid

619
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,880
Dam because i've met you and you are just fit.

620
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:40,480
As hell.

621
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: You also know my Takes on kamenka generally skewed towards

622
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,519
lower than a lot, of others including my Co Host,

623
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:52,920
Grand Hughes Ronna, jalendran MOORE and i hope listeners watchers

624
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,200
appreciate just HOW inconsistent i Am On, jalen duran just

625
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,519
the duality of. THIS player i still am trying to

626
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,079
wrap my, head around like how valuable, he is what

627
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:06,319
would you pay him when he gets the restricted? Free

628
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:09,599
agency but From what i've seen from him, This season

629
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,839
i'll start with, the Defense because detroit's been at times

630
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:15,519
monstrous on the. DEFENSIVE end i think even when people

631
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,680
were worried about some of those early, season losses opponents

632
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,119
are shooting fifty two point four percent against him at.

633
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:22,960
The rim that would be by far and away the

634
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,720
lowest mark of. His career they're also just taking way

635
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,720
more shots outside of fourteen feet in general with him on.

636
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,480
THE floor i think there's, two things and maybe they're

637
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,559
the same thing Or Driving matt one is he has

638
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,359
better talent in front, of him and so we've already

639
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,319
seen More of Duran And isaiah stewart this year than

640
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:44,519
we did all of last, year together which has kind

641
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,640
of been a. Fun Wrinkle, kate cunningham he has been

642
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,319
a defensive beast for most of. This year now you're

643
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:53,160
gonna throw in Minutes With, asar Thompson Some ron holland.

644
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,519
THE second i Think the pistons generally do a, good

645
00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:58,119
job which gets into some of my concerns of we're

646
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,480
very rarely gonna. Have two you were More Of, Ron

647
00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:04,359
Holland ISAIAH Stewart nsr thompson on the Court With, jalen

648
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,920
duran but having that better talent in Front of duran

649
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,279
has simp has streamlined his, defensive ROLE and i think

650
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:13,599
it's allowed him to make better decisions around, the basket

651
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,000
not getting be more of, a deterrent not getting caught

652
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,599
out of position as much. The offense the Connection with

653
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:23,160
caid is just unimpeachable At this those guys operate on the.

654
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,160
Same wavelength they Just like cay just knows where. He Is,

655
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:28,640
jalen durnan for the, most part knows how to. Move

656
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,880
once he's setting screen, for kids even trailing some of

657
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,119
the plays. In transition big improvement That maybe i'm sure

658
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,400
Not for, pistons FANS but i think in general that's

659
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,039
flying under the Radar for duran is he's just making.

660
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,920
Foul shots he's eighty four percent from the foul line

661
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:46,200
at while taking more. Of them that's a really. Big

662
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:50,480
deal he's been. An, ASSHOLE yeah i would apologize except

663
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,200
for the Fact that i'm, not sorry and he's been

664
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:56,279
a monster on the offensive glass, for them which THOUGH

665
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,240
before i throw it, TO you i still do have

666
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,720
concerns a lot of it being on, The offense like

667
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:03,279
if you're gonna be able to put him in this,

668
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,400
defensive role there might be some matchups where it's Not

669
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:09,720
A jalen, duran knight but that's just almost any big

670
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:14,359
and he's probably more so than many others who would

671
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,119
we CALL like i don't want to, say conventional but

672
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,200
these rim, running bigs he's probably better suited to handle

673
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,599
some of. Those oddities at least he has the physical

674
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,079
tools to do. So offensively though you could just kind

675
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:28,279
of see it if If Like asar thompson doesn't have

676
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,759
The Like asar Thompson And, JAALEN durn i just. Don't

677
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:33,640
know the pistons of cobbled together some really good lineups,

678
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,759
with them but they just, they're counterintuitive especially if neither

679
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,000
one of them has. The ball and even if like

680
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:42,079
you're not gonna run a ton Of A Sar Thompson

681
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,960
jayleen durn picking rolls like those are gonna be a

682
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,319
little bit more easy, to defend so that awkwardness and

683
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,759
even Sometimes after jalen durn is setting screens and just

684
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,319
the space that he winds, up occupying he could get

685
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:54,519
in the way of certain people that have. THE ball

686
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,119
i also just he looks really good sometimes when he's

687
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,000
taking those drives with, the ball but like the finishing

688
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:03,519
on layups or when he's getting those deep seals in

689
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:05,279
the pain and calling for the ball and kind of

690
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:08,039
the possession Stagnates, because okay he's in the middle of,

691
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:10,559
the floor he's. Not moving he wants. The ball he

692
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,000
needs to be more efficient, on those but this is

693
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,199
just he is such a, polarizing PLAYER and I find i,

694
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,239
don't know is that, just ME but i just find

695
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,039
him to be one of the most polarizing players IN.

696
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:20,880
The nba.

697
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:29,559
Speaker 2: He is and part of the reason that it's it's

698
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:32,440
all about. Last year it's all about, last year because

699
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,000
if you remember twenty three, twenty four we were already

700
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:38,480
seeing the three, Fro conversion like he was hitting seventy

701
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:40,760
nine percent of his follow shots and he was looking

702
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,320
pretty damn great as. A sophomore and what our expectations

703
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,320
going into year, THREE were i think we were looking

704
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,639
at a year that was in a bit of. A

705
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:58,920
transition he obviously saw a. Significant doubt he was significantly

706
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,519
down prioritized last, year offensively like he took seven shots,

707
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:06,199
per game and everything just kind of. Seemed off and

708
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,639
that's why everyone just kind, of, said, oh, oh dude

709
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:11,760
we get, This wrong like is he just? A guy

710
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,920
i think the twenty four to twenty five season is

711
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,760
something we just kind of need to isolate and throw

712
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,239
out a. Little. BIT no, i, mean okay he developed

713
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,400
Some chemistry kate, last year which is carried over to,

714
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:27,440
this year but we didn't see. THE improvements i think

715
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,599
that was just a frickin, down year and now we're seeing,

716
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,119
you know this. Natural, Progression, Okay dan he's played one

717
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:36,920
hundred and forty two minutes. This year he scored one

718
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,519
hundred and, seven points grabbed, sixty boards and taken thirty

719
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:45,039
nine foul shots and made thirty seven shots in one

720
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,320
hundred and forty. Two minutes like, right now he's a per,

721
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,280
minut monster absolutely a major. Permittent monster he's just. Doing

722
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,159
more he's he has the freedom to. Do more there

723
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,960
wasn't That limits haitian put upon him as, last YEAR

724
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:04,559
where i think it was a new, coaching staff it

725
00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:06,960
was a. New era it was basically everything. WAS new

726
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,079
i think he had to get accustomed. TO that i

727
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:12,840
think we're seeing him be so much more comfortable in his,

728
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,599
own skin within, the offense within the. Overall Schemes so

729
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,400
i'm ready to go back and just buy my rebuy

730
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,320
my Stock In jaln DURHAM because i was ready to sell.

731
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,559
LAST year i, was like he's played two thousand minutes,

732
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:32,000
this year it's looked. Mostly pedestrian, you know he's never

733
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:34,119
going to really break through if he's going to be

734
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,400
like this up and down career year to year, To,

735
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,639
year well he's breaking, out now.

736
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: Buy or sell Jail and duran getting thirty million dollars

737
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:48,360
in his, next contract which is it's a lot, of

738
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,159
money eighteen percent of the salary cap next. Season buying

739
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,039
i'm going to, SELL that, i think just the way

740
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,599
restricted free. Agency WORKS and i don't. Know that i'm

741
00:36:58,679 --> 00:36:59,920
just trying to think of, that's like what is That

742
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,239
Around jared? ALLEN money i guess so. It's possible i'm

743
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,719
going to sell it because of THE way, rfa works

744
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,440
and he still does have that rampant inconsistency from his,

745
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,599
past THERE and i Think if detroit plays, IT right

746
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,679
i don't spot. THE team i guess also that's going

747
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,199
to have cap space and come in and, you know

748
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,159
Force the pistons to give him. THAT much, i mean

749
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,360
but also eighteen percent is that's a starting big man

750
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,719
money that's probably less than like that's close to by

751
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,440
the market maybe for a Starting, big.

752
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: Look, right now he's playing under a half. Per game if,

753
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,280
that changes, and yes you will have to cut down

754
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,199
on the filing because that's why he's not. Playing more

755
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,239
if he sorts that out and starts to play just

756
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:44,719
twenty eight twenty nine minutes per game this year with

757
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,920
this level, of production and he can actually sustain that,

758
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:53,000
Permitted production we're gonna look at like a guy who's

759
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:57,719
averaging twenty and twelve, who can at the same time

760
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,840
give you about eighty five percent from the, foul line

761
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,599
which means you can't put him in, you know hack a.

762
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:07,880
Shack situations are you gonna tell me That if lebron

763
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,079
Leaves the lakers and they suddenly have money to spend

764
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,960
and they don't, want to, you know toy around with

765
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,360
the idea Of getting duran to Play WITH LUCA i

766
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:25,039
i wouldn't, be surprised Honestly if duran could be the

767
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,920
guy who breaks the offersheet spell that the league is.

768
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: UNDER interesting I just i look at the teams that

769
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:33,840
are gonna have. Cap space how much space Will the?

770
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,519
Lakers have they're gonna have to Work With austin reeves's

771
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,599
new cap, hold there and There's the hornets might. Have

772
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:42,400
it i'm trying to think an. Other Team would washington

773
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:44,440
want to take a Flyer? On jaylender and? Probably, not

774
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:45,360
well we.

775
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: Don't know so that's the thing about, cap space right

776
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,159
every we have to go through a. Trade, deadline first

777
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,119
really know how it teams are set up financially going into. The,

778
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:58,079
summer now if it turns out that post the twenty

779
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,880
twenty six trade headline and you're like two teams with,

780
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,599
cap space, all Right then i'm gonna buy what you.

781
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,079
Were saying then then it's Not gonna i'm not gonna buy.

782
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:07,760
Into that i'm gonna.

783
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: Sell what but it could also be a nugget situation

784
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,400
to where If the pistons believe that he is their,

785
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,239
big man they look at the chemistry as, a kid

786
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,119
what he does, this season they could just pay him

787
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:19,679
thirty million dollars a year because that's eighteen percent of

788
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,559
the salary cap and going down. FROM there I don't

789
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,159
i'm STILL gonna I buy jallen durn having a higher

790
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,599
BASELINE than i would, have said maybe even a couple of. Weeks,

791
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:33,880
AGO right I just. I don't i think there's still gonna.

792
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,519
Be questions but that's why we have to watch the

793
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:38,320
rest of the. Game's, unfold yeah next guy up more

794
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,039
your favorite player in the league who doesn't play For,

795
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:42,079
the Bulls Mister austin.

796
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:47,599
Speaker 2: Reeves, Cut, UH well, i, mean look he's is he

797
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,119
he's about to show team or not about he is

798
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,159
currently showing teams that, you KNOW if i do end

799
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,840
out on the free agency market and if you are

800
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,320
interested in the guy who can actually sort of kind

801
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,639
of mimic If option. I'M here, i mean this guy's

802
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,079
feel has always. Been good we've talked about. THIS before

803
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,719
i hate how he's like been pigeonholed as an off

804
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:18,000
ball shooter when he's just. Not right it's so annoying

805
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:20,320
to me that that that's the thing that just kind.

806
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,400
Of persisted this is like it's because, HE'S honestly i

807
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,000
think he's a, better, slasher slash pick and roll player

808
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:30,719
than he just is. A Shooter like i'm not saying

809
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,559
he's a, bad SHOOTER but i, you know he's not

810
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,800
necessarily the most natural three point shooter in. The world

811
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:41,519
like he's someone who will shake. And bake he'll get into,

812
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:43,480
the paint he'll get to the free throw line a

813
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:46,400
ton by. The way he'll make reads out of the pick.

814
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,000
And roll he'll initiate place in the. Half court he'll

815
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,719
do a bunch of. Fun stuff he'll also give. You

816
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,599
rebounding he'll give you potentially, this year like double digit,

817
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,559
assists like what's, Going on but but this is a

818
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,000
guy who's who's sending a league and not just a couple,

819
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,320
of teams the whole damn league a signal, SAYING yeah

820
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,960
i could be. THAT dude i could generally be, that

821
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,400
DUDE or i could be next to. That dude that

822
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,519
is something we will also have to TRACK because i

823
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,440
do think there's a lot of overlap between Him, a

824
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:21,800
doncic some of which works to their benefit and some

825
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,239
with the exact. Opposite mantra so we'll see how, those two,

826
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,360
you know finagle their playing time together over the course of.

827
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,119
THIS season i just love his approach, to Basketball though

828
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,800
austin reeves the way that he's so patient when he's

829
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,360
like gauging the defense and understanding time. And score there

830
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,000
is Definitely some doncage elements in this where he's, Just,

831
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:48,559
LIKE okay i know when the big man's in, The

832
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:52,119
paint i'm starting. To count oh he's he has to

833
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,079
move in, a second or there's a three, Second violation i'm.

834
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,159
Going now and then he even stopped at the free,

835
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,400
throw line Much like luca if he sees that guy

836
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,360
coming over to rotate and, Saying nope i'm going to

837
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,360
change my plan in the middle of the play because

838
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:08,960
the situation around me, has changed like he's thinking the.

839
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:13,599
GAME out i Love what i'm seeing. THIS year i

840
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,760
absolutely Love what. I'm seeing so many teams right now

841
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,360
should be salvating at the idea of getting him. IN there.

842
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,599
Speaker 1: I think what's impros me impress me the most about

843
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:30,199
his year is. The passing he is FIFTH and i

844
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,880
know that there's been Injuries to Lebron And luca mis,

845
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,519
some time but he's fifth in assists created at. The

846
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:36,880
Rim the lakers are not a team that generates any

847
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,519
sort of, rim pressure so that speaks to the attention that.

848
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:41,320
HE'S drawing i think he's gotten better as we've. Seen

849
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,159
teams we know pickup points AROUND the nba, are higher

850
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,840
but there's just, something surreal Even when, luca's out when

851
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,920
you see these teams Picking up reeves just trying to

852
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,639
trap him so high up the floor or There's the

853
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,440
lakers are setting screens at the logo to try and get.

854
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:58,199
Him free but he's making the right Live dribble reeves

855
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,199
and actively feels like he's elevating to he mates. Around

856
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,519
him i'm going to be so and that'll be the

857
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:05,599
buyer sell element of this is his price point and.

858
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:08,880
Free agency that's just to echo all the stuff you

859
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,679
said about, his scoring the, drawing fouls like the in

860
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,559
between gaming when he doesn't have. THE ball i know

861
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,360
people tend to this is. Not you people still tend to.

862
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,440
Get concerned luca has the ball in his hands, a

863
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,000
ton how's he? Gonna work he Worked with kyrie like

864
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:25,480
that ended up being. Perfectly fine he's Worked. With lebron he. Can,

865
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:28,639
Work honestly he's probably most ideal when you have another

866
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,320
primary type ball handler alongside, of him because you figure

867
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,920
out a way to give, him breaks streamline, his usage

868
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,199
and we're just we're at the point where you want

869
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,400
guys to be able, to drive dribble and, decision make

870
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:40,679
and That's What austin reeves is able to Do. Alongside

871
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,480
luca what you. Alluded to how does? It? Work defensively it,

872
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,159
probably can so long as you have the right personnel.

873
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:49,719
Around Them the lakers do not yet. Have THAT but

874
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,960
i think Both with Luca, without luca he has shown

875
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:57,480
this is Not some lakers' exceptionalism. At play if you're trying,

876
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,559
to say is he a top? Five player IN the nba, Right,

877
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,400
now okay we're dealing with sort of some market. HYPERBOLE

878
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:05,400
there i will throw it to, you though buy. Or

879
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:08,960
sell he has a player option he's gonna decline. Next

880
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:14,639
year buy Or Sell austin reeves getting thirty million dollars in?

881
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,119
Free Agency by i'll buy that. As well, i'm wondering

882
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:20,079
do we need to go up higher? From, that yes

883
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,760
his max his max From another so let's frame it.

884
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,440
This WAY his max from another team would be FOUR

885
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:29,360
years i think one seventy nine. Around there buy Or

886
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:36,159
Sell austin reeves getting a Max by. I'LL sell i

887
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,039
really think we're we're gonna see teams adjudicate. More strictly

888
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:42,880
how how they're giving out maxes TO non. I get,

889
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,480
I mean i guess you could consider him. A star

890
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,199
he's just he's in such. Awkward. Territory man just he's

891
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,559
twenty seven, years old so he's not. Super young he's

892
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,119
also can only get the twenty five percent max because

893
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:57,599
of his experience, Thus far i'm, just saying, IS fine.

894
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,760
I do i would agree to. Your point this will

895
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,840
be in part he's not a restricted. Free agent, that

896
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,800
helps but there will be a Market For austin reeves

897
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,199
AMONG the i think you Could. Name, Portland well portland

898
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,239
can't have caps, place Anymore but detroit we just. Talked

899
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,000
about he Would Be austin reeves would be Fantastic Alongside,

900
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:17,840
Ka Gunning amassar Thompson. And, jaalender, yeah yeah.

901
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: He would he would fit in so many. DIFFERENT places

902
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:23,559
i actually want to go back a little bit because

903
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:26,159
you were trying to to tell, me that you. Know

904
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,800
WHAT what i was trying to say was the overlap

905
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,079
between those, Two defensively Donte. And reeves just, To clarify

906
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:36,239
i'm actually still asking questions about their offensive it because

907
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,719
neither guy is like a natural off. Ball shooter you

908
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,039
Brought up kyrie kree is, SOMEONE whoay i would trust

909
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,679
more in an off ball capacity Than either Luca. OR

910
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,480
reeves i think that's, fair enough, Of, course yeah sure

911
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:51,000
so so so. That's WHY and i think in order

912
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:54,360
To optimize luca you need to you need to pair,

913
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,280
him with, you know a lob threat or a versatile.

914
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,119
BIG man i think that would be the Priority In

915
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,920
los angeles instead of giving him a backcourt mate who

916
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,440
does much of the same thing that. He, Does like

917
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:07,360
i'm not gonna say that they can't work, it OUT.

918
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,519
Speaker 1: But I think i probably So, BECAUSE reeves i feel

919
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:14,199
like you could go and we just haven't needed to.

920
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,280
See it but IT'S almost i need to be CAREFUL

921
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,280
how i. Say This austin reeves Is, not Lebron but

922
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,480
lebron is not the most intuitive off ball, shooter either

923
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,559
and he's ended up shooting a high enough clip on

924
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:28,079
those looks a lot of the times strout his career

925
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:29,800
for it. To work but what also makes him special

926
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,760
if you want to use him off, the ball if you,

927
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,519
WANT to i guess you could have, him screen but

928
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:36,280
it's not something we've made, a core core tenant of.

929
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,679
His Game austin reeves can do, two things Is what i'm.

930
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:40,840
Getting at he can catch, and go so if there's,

931
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,000
any space if there's, not space he'll be able to

932
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:47,519
get around aggressive. Defensive coverages and then also he's a pretty,

933
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:50,480
good cutter AND so i think that he will shoot

934
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:52,800
a high. Enough, percentage now if you're SAYING do i

935
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,159
trust as a spot up shooter when you look at

936
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,679
kind of the Tier of luca's, best teammates So, It's

937
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,400
lebron Reeves. And kyrie kyrie's. AT one i probably Still

938
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,639
it's Lebron' so i'll Just trust lebron wars the off

939
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,280
ball spot. UP shooter I think reeves could be good

940
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,039
enough TO where i wouldn't worry about the. Offensive overlap

941
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:10,840
that's fair Even.

942
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: In, IOTA yeah i will say what we've Seen from reees, as,

943
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,280
well like at, some point you just reach that level

944
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:21,639
where you're, so good where you're starting to like if

945
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:25,239
you're overthinking the, offensive fit you're sort of missing. The

946
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,719
POINT and i concede That when i'm sitting there, going, about,

947
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,639
oh well, the OVERLAP then i also have to catch myself,

948
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,519
and realize, oh wait this dude is averaging thirty one

949
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:40,159
to nine, And five LIKE perhaps i should just focus

950
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,880
on the talent like that will work. Itself out so

951
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,880
like he's and and and that's Probably why i'm saying max,

952
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,000
to him because like it seems like he is just

953
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:54,280
reaching that point talent wise where we are spending too

954
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,840
much time thinking. About, Fit honestly.

955
00:47:58,039 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: I'm just he'll be a good litmus test for what

956
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,840
are teams and Including, the lakers willing to pay because even,

957
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,880
if he let's say he Makes An all, star team,

958
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,840
HE'S right, I mean i guess at this rate he

959
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,440
could Make AN all. Nba team it's sort of a

960
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:13,559
one year of one year aberration for he was really good.

961
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:15,519
Last year don't get, me Wrong but hill his free

962
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:18,480
agency will. Be fascinating i'm just gonna ultimately it's gonna

963
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,280
be a lot. OF money i think people are gonna.

964
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,079
HATE that i think a lot of people are gonna

965
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,559
get sticker shock when they see the raw. DOLLAR amount

966
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,239
i Just a max feels a little rich At the

967
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,599
i'm going out on limb and Saying a max fewer

968
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:32,440
than ten games into the Season For, austin reeves.

969
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: That's fair that. IS fair i. Get That THAT what

970
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,119
I what i, will SAY what i feel very confident

971
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:41,360
in Saying is lebron is now the third best player On.

972
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,639
The lakers has? He ever has he ever been the

973
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:45,760
third best player on its?

974
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,119
Speaker 1: Team ever the other interesting Part about, reeves too is

975
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,239
are they really just not Married to lebron? Coming back

976
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,920
and how does that whole. SITUATION end i would still

977
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,119
say A healthy lebron is going to be Better Than,

978
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,519
austin reeves.

979
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,519
Speaker 2: But oh he's making case out. Of it though he's been.

980
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: Better this year because he's actually played, if, well.

981
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: No No but i'm, also, saying like, Right now i'm

982
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,440
Fully like i'm recognizing the Fact that lebron can come,

983
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:14,840
back reuseless like useless rate can, go down and, you

984
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,800
know he reverts back to what he used. To be,

985
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,719
but like given what he's doing, right now if we're

986
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:26,000
applying that logic, moving forward obviously obviously he's the second

987
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,280
best player on the team if we're applying what he's doing,

988
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,280
Right Now and i'm just that's just a wild thing

989
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,679
to Realize when lebron is like on, the ROSTER like

990
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,880
i don't remember when he wasn't like the number one

991
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:37,719
or number, two guy.

992
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,639
Speaker 1: Next. PLAYER uh i don't know if this will surprise,

993
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,159
some People But alprin shangoon having himself a season averaging

994
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,719
over twenty, two points averaging almost. Eight assists so he's

995
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,480
ad twenty two seven point, six assists one point, eight steals,

996
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:55,039
one block shooting fifty three percent from beyond the arc on,

997
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,440
more volume his two point percentages. Come DOWN what I

998
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,679
think moore has fascinated me mo post with him is

999
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,000
That the rockets have decided like he, is going and

1000
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,960
Especially with Red van, fleet out this makes a ton.

1001
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,039
Of sense but they have just kind of effectively, decided,

1002
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:13,559
that hey this isn't someone that we're gonna need to

1003
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,719
give ball. Screens too we're not even gonna have him

1004
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,400
operate as the roleman really. At all he averaged four

1005
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,719
possessions almost per game as the role man. Last year

1006
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:23,599
he's another two per game. THIS year i think that

1007
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,320
speaks obviously to the ball. Handling hierarchy but even when

1008
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,079
he's having, the ball it's not, It's, not oh we

1009
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:30,719
need to give this guy a ball screen to. Get downhill,

1010
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,519
it's no he's just. Gonna go he's just got a

1011
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,719
lot of tricks under. His belt there's also the stand

1012
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,719
still playmaking. IS fantastic i know that his two point percentage,

1013
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,039
is down but he's shooting a boat load more free

1014
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:44,960
throws eleven point two per, one hundred up from seven point.

1015
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,519
Eight percent the accuracy at the foul line is up

1016
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:50,079
to seventy, eight percent which is good. For him he's

1017
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:53,639
getting fouled on more of. His drives the three point

1018
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,960
volume two point seven three point attempts previously for his

1019
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:59,880
career per one. Hundred possessions that's up to four point six.

1020
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,320
This year and again he's shooting over fifty percent. On

1021
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:07,320
them he's doing more, in transition grabbing, the BALL going

1022
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,960
i am going to throw it to you on this

1023
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:16,559
buy Or Sell alprin shangun finishing top ten ON the

1024
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,119
mvp ballot. This, year.

1025
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: Oh? Top ten, all right let me just so we

1026
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:26,360
gots is?

1027
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: It one obviously as you were just trying, to argue right?

1028
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:40,599
Speaker 2: Right obviously, uh yo Kitch Wemby Giannis. LUCA donovan I, guess,

1029
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,079
donovan right you Gotta Go. Donovan shaye obviously that was

1030
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,039
the guy for good.

1031
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:50,039
Speaker 1: You to your, Kitchen, THERE yeah.

1032
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 2: I was that was my number. One guy, OH, YEAH

1033
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,400
kd i mean on the. Same team THAT'S why i forgot.

1034
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: About it i'll get out in front By saying i'm

1035
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:00,239
going to.

1036
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 2: BUY it i Don't think i'm struggling to come up.

1037
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: With.

1038
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,039
Speaker 2: TEN yeah i think.

1039
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,159
Speaker 1: Even the people who appreciate like YOU and i appreciate what,

1040
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,760
HE'S doing i don't think we collectively understand just how

1041
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,840
important he is to the offense or how much of

1042
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:16,920
just the sole source of propping it they. Are more

1043
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,519
They're twenty their offensive raading goes up by twenty six

1044
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,280
point four points with him on the court, this year

1045
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,119
their affective field goal percentage goes up by sixteen point.

1046
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:28,079
Three points when he's on, the court their turnovers. Just

1047
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:31,679
plummet he is like he is like the nerve center

1048
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:33,800
of the offense at. This point and the fact that

1049
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,840
he's doing IT with I don't i don't want to call,

1050
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,239
it imperfect but it's a lot of dual. Big lineups

1051
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,000
it's not the best spacing. You get the Cutting for

1052
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,679
houston is just different when it's people on the court

1053
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,599
who aren't alp For. In shanngun the way he gets

1054
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:50,239
guys moving, around him THIS is i don't know if

1055
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,119
HE'S gonna I guess i am saying if he's gonna

1056
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,039
finish top ten ON the, mvp vall he's certainly gonna

1057
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:59,599
Be IN all. NBA consideration i flirted with going there

1058
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,000
as my buy or sell buy or sell outproaching goon

1059
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:04,639
Making AN all, Nba team so MAYBE that's i don't

1060
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,000
think that's spicier than top ten ON, m vp however

1061
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:09,000
you would, frame. It though I'm just i'm gonna. Buy It.

1062
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:15,159
Speaker 2: So i've been thinking because There's also KAID and i

1063
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,000
had the name. Right before who was it Runs and,

1064
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:23,280
Brunson exactly like If the warriors make, more noise you

1065
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,400
gotta flow steff? In there What about aunt if they?

1066
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,559
Get going ALTHOUGH my i have some Skepticism, TOWARDS minnesota

1067
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:38,599
i can see, It though like what you're really asking

1068
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,440
me IS do i have the balls to buy.

1069
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: Show you're trying. To find you're trying to figure out

1070
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:45,760
a way not. TO buy.

1071
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: I can, I am I am i because that is

1072
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:51,360
just that Is too that's a little rich for. My

1073
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:54,639
Blood and i'm like trying to come up with an

1074
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:57,280
explanation for why it is too rich for, my Blood

1075
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,199
and i'm kind of FAILING because i think he's right on.

1076
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:06,440
That cusp he's, Right there but is he the fact.

1077
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: That HE'S doing i think like he's doing all this

1078
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,599
and just not getting as many paint touches because of

1079
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:12,239
where they have to give him the ball and Where it's,

1080
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,599
it's honestly it's. HONESTLY incredible i know the numbers aren't a,

1081
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:17,920
huge jump but this feels like sort of a you

1082
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:20,000
look at the talent on. This team You Have aman

1083
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:24,079
Thompson And. KEVIN durant I know fvv is hurt at,

1084
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,360
the moment but like and we've, decided, Like No alpern

1085
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,039
shangun is the guy who really needs the keys for.

1086
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:30,079
This offense that is a.

1087
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: Huge, deal no. It is and and by, the way

1088
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,199
in to, your point go check out kd's, assist numbers by,

1089
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:38,920
the way because that is not, an accident that is

1090
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:41,719
not just a case of some all. Sample size he

1091
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:44,480
is being used more as a play faintisher now in,

1092
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:47,920
many ways and that is something that has been unlocked

1093
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:53,360
Because Shan Gun shane gun is, like purposely purposefully seeking,

1094
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,199
him out trying to put him in advantatious positions like

1095
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:03,119
that is a clear, you know design from from the

1096
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:08,199
war from. The rockets and to have a guy basically be, Partly,

1097
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,360
responsible hey you need To Make kevin durant, Look good

1098
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,039
kevin freaking rand who will look good on his own.

1099
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:21,039
Accord easily that's that's an insane vote of confidence and he's.

1100
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:23,480
Justifying it so it's it's a really good point just

1101
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:26,320
in terms of like his influence and the importance that

1102
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:31,960
he has to. This team, I'm yeah i'm. Not there i'm.

1103
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:34,519
Speaker 1: NOT there i almost talked you, Into it yeah you.

1104
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: Almost did AND then i Remember reached shepherd, obviously exists so, he's.

1105
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: Well look the, other look He's reached shepherd shooting really

1106
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,360
well from three Off of Alpah and. Shangun passes i'm

1107
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,639
just saying something that our next guy up is for

1108
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,880
you to Take ham hawk as junior morn is? He back.

1109
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 2: See this is one of those situations again where you

1110
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,440
get affected by, you know a more slump or whatever

1111
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,800
you want to, call it, but like can we agree

1112
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:08,360
before we get, Into this like last year, for him

1113
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,000
it got, really bad got really. Really bad, on occasion

1114
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,920
it like where you were kind of sitting there watching

1115
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,800
him play, and, go oh can you even play him in?

1116
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,440
This game like do you need to take him off?

1117
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,760
The court like there were. Those moments, this, year man he.

1118
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,480
Came back it, was, LIKE no. I am i am

1119
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,000
absolutely a guy who deserves, to be, you know. A

1120
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:33,480
STARTER whatnot a funny thing is, he isn't but like

1121
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:37,159
he is playing, start basketball but like he's determined to

1122
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:39,679
break into, That right like he's coming back, and saying,

1123
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,960
You know i'm that guy averaging nineteen seven five assists

1124
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:48,519
almost like he's just he's been. So good the footwork

1125
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,719
in like the mid range area is fully back HE'S

1126
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,480
not i don't. Even know like last year it was

1127
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:59,599
ALMOST like i don't even know what what went wrong

1128
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:02,559
in it was just he just looked like he didn't

1129
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,880
grasp the speed or. THE situation i don't know what

1130
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:09,840
really would lay down the cause. Of it but this

1131
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,440
year he's far. More determined he's far, MORE analytical i want,

1132
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,719
to say in how he approaches, a defense so like

1133
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,280
he can dribble the ball up, the court he'll see

1134
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,159
like a, high screen he'll, go in he'll slow down

1135
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:26,239
and he'll like get his defender a little bit on,

1136
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,079
a hip then he'll go in and like everything is so,

1137
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:33,960
much more so much, more, Selective purposeful like he's got

1138
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,559
a purpose, with everything whereas last year was a, little

1139
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:38,480
wild like he, Was, LIKE okay i can get the

1140
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:41,119
paint TOUCH whenever, i, want sure but then he didn't

1141
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,400
really know what to do. With it he's got a

1142
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:46,920
plan every single, time now every single time he gets into,

1143
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,800
that paint he's got a plan that is. Extremely, encouraging

1144
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,760
NOW do i think he's gonna keep shooting sixty four

1145
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,519
percent from. The field, Probably not like we're probably going

1146
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:02,920
to see a slight offensive downtick as the, season progresses and.

1147
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:08,039
That's fair but what he's doing, right now he's turning.

1148
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,039
A page he is flipping, a narrative and he's becoming

1149
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:13,920
a guy who the heat can actually look at, and go,

1150
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:17,519
oh see we have pieces for. The future it's not,

1151
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:22,679
just KILWARE which i greatly appreciate because oh, my god

1152
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,039
that they. Need That So I'm i'm i'm. On board

1153
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:28,960
so buy er.

1154
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: Sell him howk is junior as A legitimate, Mip candidate,

1155
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:37,239
we'll say finishing top ten on. The, Ballot bye i'm.

1156
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:41,360
Gonna sellow this Feels very i've been impressed what. He's

1157
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,320
done to. Be sure you look at the like they've

1158
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,960
put the ball in his hands and he's almost in a,

1159
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:49,800
weird way well not a, weird way like it's just

1160
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,360
he's outright benefited from the injuries that they've had this

1161
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,079
year because it's able to put the ball in. His

1162
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:58,480
hands here's every player fun fact more to have as

1163
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:02,480
many points and assists off drives this Year as Jimi Hawkas,

1164
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:07,840
danny Afia, Con Sexton, Kay Cunningham trey Jones Of your

1165
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,639
Bulls And. Devin booker pretty good company, to keep especially

1166
00:59:11,639 --> 00:59:13,960
when you're shooting fifty five percent, on drives which is

1167
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,039
the highest clip of anybody on. That group what is

1168
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:21,280
he off? The ball and when You have tyler hero eventually.

1169
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,400
Coming BACK what i think is Underappreciate About tyler heroes

1170
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,280
his ability to work away from. The ball what's also

1171
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,119
Gonna Help haimy hawk is if you continue to bring

1172
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:31,360
him off, the bench he won't be going up against

1173
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,840
as many full fledged. Starting units so there are ways

1174
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,480
to sort of. Game it but when you get to your,

1175
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:40,920
Best lineups i'm not tailoring my offense like with your.

1176
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,800
BEST players i don't want to have to tailor my

1177
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,519
Offense That hymi hawks can have, the BALL and i

1178
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:48,199
still don't know what he is without. THE ball i

1179
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:52,320
don't think the foundation of his driving any. Post ups.

1180
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:56,119
He can't he's not even. Taking threes he then shooting

1181
00:59:56,199 --> 00:59:58,280
under twenty five percent on catch and shoot threes. THIS

1182
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,760
year i don't like for him to be IN the.

1183
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,880
MIP conversation i think we need to step back at

1184
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,079
the end of the year and view him as what

1185
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:07,039
you were saying is kind of a core piece for

1186
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:09,719
the heat or that type. OF asset i just don't

1187
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,480
see it, with him Or MAYBE i'm i saw too

1188
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,440
much last year to buy into it right now based

1189
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,480
off what we've seen. This year.

1190
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: That's fair by the way you Brought up denny in

1191
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:23,159
terms of like the driving, point production.

1192
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,199
Speaker 1: Is he on? Our list he did this stuff, last

1193
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,440
year and It's funny portland has been. Killing it it's

1194
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:36,880
interesting because they've kind of been killing IT with i

1195
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,639
don't know this. A lot it's Just Like, Jeremy grant

1196
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,159
Ball and. Denny out you saw, that lab But like scoot's,

1197
01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:44,239
Not There shade sharp hasn't had the best start to.

1198
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,039
The season they don't trust any of. Their bigs it

1199
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:50,159
feels like on the, offensive end they are. SO strange i.

1200
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,800
LOVE them i want to make it clear they are.

1201
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,559
So STRANGE but i didn't Look at denny as a

1202
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:57,719
breakout candidate because. We, Talked yeah i'm sure YOU and,

1203
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,360
i Did but GRANT and i talked about him AS

1204
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,360
an mip candidate for two, consecutive years like the close

1205
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,880
of that Year in washington and then also last year,

1206
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,440
as well and it's he just seems he's really. Really

1207
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,400
good and if anyone doesn't know That About denny auvia,

1208
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,800
RIGHT now I would i would recommend watching some There

1209
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,960
the blazers are fun. As hell they're gonna get out

1210
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,000
in transition for a bunch. OF turnovers i don't know

1211
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:18,480
what to make of them on the. Offensive end they're

1212
01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:20,400
just so strange in kind of a, cool way but

1213
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,159
also it's a little unsettling right when you kind of

1214
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:26,400
look at who have been there most impactful players. This,

1215
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,480
year Okay Like tamani, kamara awesome But like drew doing

1216
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,599
a lot of lifting for That Joy Men.

1217
01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: From dan favalley ON an, Nba podcast.

1218
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:38,639
Speaker 1: I'm sucked we recorded the Extension podcast what a way

1219
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:41,760
to close Out The heimahawkers, Junior SEGMENT and i Had

1220
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,920
Thought john hollander is big on why do you pay

1221
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,920
these guys all this money before you need to Like

1222
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,840
Taking timmani kamara from sub three million to whatever he's

1223
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,880
at in twenty six, Twenty seven and it was in

1224
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,679
my minds that you really should have focused more. On

1225
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,280
that i'm not like they took a. Risk there i'm

1226
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,760
just watching him. This year threes aren't even. Falling yet,

1227
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,119
and no you Absolutely Give tomandi kamara. That contract.

1228
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: By, THE way, I Mean haimi hodkas is moving UP

1229
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,719
the mip charts one RECENT BECAUSE I i i so far,

1230
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,400
AT least i was very wrong on, my pick very.

1231
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:16,400
Very wrong can't. WAIT more i even said he would

1232
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:17,519
average twenty three at game.

1233
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: This year we're gonna get To the wizards because they

1234
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,519
have they have someone who's been playing. Quite well they

1235
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:26,599
have a couple, of someoness but someone that maybe people didn't.

1236
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:28,599
See coming we were on too for the. Moment Though

1237
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:33,400
quentin jackson speaking of how injuries have benefited a, Player's,

1238
01:02:33,519 --> 01:02:37,039
role uh basically every single Guard the pacers have ever signed.

1239
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,679
Is hurt that is? That? Right more does that happen more?

1240
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: Or?

1241
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,239
Speaker 1: Less, Yes Uh quentin jackson's. Been fun he had the

1242
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,480
one huge game when they beat the that Was. The

1243
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:49,199
warriors Him And pascal siakam Looked like Magic and kareem during. That,

1244
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,960
GAME essentially i really don't know what to make of him,

1245
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:53,960
long TERM but i wanted to put him on. Our

1246
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:57,920
radar he's drawn some pretty nifty fouls in transition nine

1247
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,519
to eleven at The. Rim u he does he has.

1248
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:04,079
THE game i don't know if he actually is, over

1249
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:05,920
confident but the way he will handle the ball and

1250
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,559
try to get to some of, his shots it seems

1251
01:03:07,639 --> 01:03:09,960
like he plays with an overconfidence that can border. On

1252
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,400
recklessness but he's also shooting six of TEN on arc three's,

1253
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:17,199
this year and most of them have been. Catching shoots

1254
01:03:17,519 --> 01:03:19,599
there was that game Against. The warriors they had him

1255
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:21,639
on steph for a lot of the night and he

1256
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,679
was holding His own and HE'S also i don't think

1257
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,320
he's an, excellent passer but he's got good awareness Of

1258
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,920
Where aaronie smith. Specifically is but he will get the

1259
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,920
ball out of his, hands early he will get it up.

1260
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,360
The floor kind of fits the Way the pacers want

1261
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,480
to play more buy or Sell the pacers having found

1262
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:43,639
just a miniature diamond in the Rough With. Quentin, Jackson

1263
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:45,280
yeah i'm.

1264
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,599
Speaker 2: Buying that i'm buying that because you, know what he's

1265
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:50,760
already got. The Mentality and i'll tell. You why because

1266
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,679
last in last Season, In, january yeah it must have

1267
01:03:55,719 --> 01:03:58,239
Been in January in paris When the pacers Were, in

1268
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,280
paris they were gearing up. A practice i had media

1269
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,960
credentials along with my, two colleagues and one of my

1270
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:09,079
colleagues went over and he like just to ask him

1271
01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:10,639
if you could get a few minutes because he was

1272
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:13,800
like his logic was. Pretty impetual, she's like this is

1273
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:18,119
a two. Way guy obviously he would want some exposure in,

1274
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:20,480
some ways like to have some media come over and talk.

1275
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:24,119
To him and practice, hadn't started like it was probably

1276
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:27,280
ten minutes away. Or something jackson just looked, At, him

1277
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,599
man practice, is STARTING and i, was, Like nope i'm

1278
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:33,079
not talking. TO you i am, Wired In like i'm.

1279
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:36,760
Locked in my guy came back AND said i. Like

1280
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,079
him he was just. Like nope he. Was focused he

1281
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:42,920
was laser focused on, a PRACTICE and i, was, like yep.

1282
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:48,559
That's interesting that. Is interesting, So uh. I'M buying i.

1283
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:53,440
Like it he, seems intense he seems. LIKE focused i love.

1284
01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:56,679
THOSE guys i. HAVE nothing i have no way to

1285
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,679
back this up with because, he's like he's what what

1286
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,519
has he done? This, YEAR like pla two games of twenty? Plus,

1287
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:04,679
minutes yeah. That's it two games of twenty. Plus, minutes

1288
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,960
frankly we have zero data on, this guy and yet, we're,

1289
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:10,800
like yeah, let's go let's rock and roll based really

1290
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,880
on one. GOOD game i. Appreciate it.

1291
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 1: IT'S fair i THINK it's i it might just be

1292
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:18,800
it's something to put a pin in because of all.

1293
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,079
THE injuries i. LOVE it i.

1294
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:26,519
Speaker 2: LOVE it i think sometimes we lack the romanticism in basketball.

1295
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:27,440
As well this.

1296
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: Is it this is a.

1297
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: Romantic pick this is us basically saying we like. This

1298
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:35,920
guy we saw what he did Against. The warriors it's

1299
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,119
like a super small, sample size, but like gosh darted

1300
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:41,159
it we Are in That is that.

1301
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: Is romantic you're not saying they're Gonna let benancmatherne walk

1302
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:47,599
Because Of quentin jackson or they're Gonna Trade andrew nemhart Because.

1303
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 2: Of quenton that would have been that would have been the.

1304
01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: Virus question the buyer cell absolutely by him getting converted

1305
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,679
to a standard contract by the end of. The, year.

1306
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:57,599
Speaker 2: Right duh.

1307
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,239
Speaker 1: Next guy is, for You Mister, moore jensen and he

1308
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,760
is one A j Mitchell thunder Just keep we already.

1309
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 2: Knew he was, a dude, but, like right how do

1310
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,039
they keep? Doing? This though, it's, LIKE look i liked

1311
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:16,079
him even coming into, last year and like he wasn't.

1312
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:19,280
Bad either, Last year like he was highly efficient when he,

1313
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,119
Did play like he showed them on, ball skills he

1314
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:24,519
showed some off. Ball skills this year he's, just like,

1315
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,880
oh yeah by, The way i'm gonna turn into your

1316
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,760
best best. Bench score i'm just gonna take a bunch.

1317
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,719
Of shots i'm gonna get into. The paint i'm gonna nail, Free, FROs,

1318
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:36,519
like okay the three bolt hasn't been, you know hitting

1319
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,280
to the point where. He can, That's fine like he's

1320
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,840
just doing so much. Other stuff oh and by, the

1321
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,079
way while i'm being you know your your best, Bench

1322
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:48,280
scorer i'm also gonna give you like roughly four rebounds

1323
01:06:48,599 --> 01:06:52,559
and four assists, per game because, Why not why shouldn't

1324
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:55,280
the rich? Get richer we'll figure. It out like it's

1325
01:06:56,159 --> 01:07:01,639
he is so so good and, the size like he

1326
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:04,320
can play both, guard positions he can even play in

1327
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,639
a pinch in some like some. Wing minutes he's, twenty

1328
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,480
three so like there's every reason to believe he's going

1329
01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:17,480
to add onto this as his. Career progresses like this

1330
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:19,840
is one of those situations where the thunder can just

1331
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,280
look at the roster, and, go hmm if we ever get,

1332
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,000
too expensive who are we, gonna drop and then just

1333
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:29,039
give the minutes to him because that's gonna, Be okay

1334
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:34,760
like we. Can Survive i'm i'm annoyed at how the rich,

1335
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,000
get richer and at the, SAME time i. LOVE it i.

1336
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:40,960
Love it just such a dynamic guard.

1337
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,599
Speaker 1: He is and you mentioned kind of the. Shooting percentage

1338
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:46,400
he's ALSO shooting i think two of twelve from, mid

1339
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:49,079
range but he can get to his spots and he

1340
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:51,760
shot forty percent on catching jud threes. LAST year i

1341
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,239
just assume he's not gonna be at thirty thirty one

1342
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,440
percent from. THREE forever i expect that some of the

1343
01:07:56,639 --> 01:08:00,119
two point jumpers will come up to the malleability he

1344
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:02,559
just gives. You defensively is another one of those guys that's.

1345
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:04,840
All right he's, not big but he will just defend

1346
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,800
up and you could put him on you, said it

1347
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,559
either guard spot and then just along with some. WINGS

1348
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:14,679
there i still camp that contract they gave him his.

1349
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,800
Highway ROBBERY he's i don't think he's ever gonna make

1350
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,119
two percent of the. Salary, cap well he ends up being.

1351
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:21,199
On it that was good negotiating By, The thunder but

1352
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:23,880
this is it's another one of those instances where oh

1353
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:28,319
they found this. Other dude my, question though it's like

1354
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:30,079
the buyer sell, on him is we don't get to

1355
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:33,119
play the buy or Sell aj mitchell being good because

1356
01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:35,920
that was kind of well established before. This season buy

1357
01:08:36,079 --> 01:08:40,079
Or Sell aj mitchell being the most, important player Most

1358
01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:41,720
Important Oklahoma city thunder reserve.

1359
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:55,520
Speaker 2: This season, oh oh that's a. Mean. One okay what

1360
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,840
you're basically asking me IS whether i think he's going

1361
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,319
to be more Important. Than caruso that's what you're.

1362
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: Asking, ME well i think we also have to cake

1363
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,199
in is do you think he's gonna be more Important

1364
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:09,680
Than caseon? Wallace too it is Case and wallace still

1365
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,319
gonna Start when jay dub.

1366
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: Is healthy, All RIGHT so I Love. AJ mitchell i

1367
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:21,399
stand BY everything. I said But but i'm not gonna buy.

1368
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:25,199
Speaker 1: THAT one i think. THAT'S fair I Love cason. Wallace

1369
01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:27,560
too that's just another guy Where it's i'm just assumed

1370
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,600
he's gonna shoot better. From three IT'S like I just

1371
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,279
i'll see. The, shooting no it's just gonna. Be fine

1372
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,039
buy or? Sell him is the LET'S should i say

1373
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:37,840
a top seven? Thunder PLAYER should i just say the

1374
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,039
second most? Important reserve so that's when you get Into

1375
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:41,399
the caruso OR A j mitchell?

1376
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: Of it, All, right no IT'S so I have caruso

1377
01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:50,000
there as the number one guy on the bench in

1378
01:09:50,119 --> 01:09:54,039
terms of. Pure Influence caseon wallace is like he's so,

1379
01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:58,000
good defensively he's like an ENERGY guy i, think offensively

1380
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:00,800
like he had the rookie year where he was just kneeling,

1381
01:10:01,119 --> 01:10:05,920
everything right like just truly one of those elite, efficiency

1382
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,359
guys and then last. Year happened he sort of came

1383
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,039
back down. To earth, this year he's not been hitting.

1384
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:16,119
That well defensive, He said we've been a starter.

1385
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: This year, yeah, yeah, yeah right and more of his

1386
01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:21,000
threes are going in, last year but thirty eight po.

1387
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 2: Is No great like, offensively speaking he's still, a, project

1388
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,920
right and he's about to turn, twenty two, SO like

1389
01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:32,560
i think it's recent to one wonder like what is he?

1390
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,840
Moving forward and in the? Playoffs setting that's. JUST me

1391
01:10:37,159 --> 01:10:39,560
i love offense MORE than i. LOVE defense i think

1392
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,239
guys who com manipulate defenses are more important than. Just

1393
01:10:43,319 --> 01:10:47,199
Defenders so i'm actually going to Go h mitchell as

1394
01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:50,439
the second most important on this very limited sample size that,

1395
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,359
we have which is definitely gonna make me look like

1396
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:54,880
an idiot when he doesn't receive a single minute in.

1397
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,920
THE playoffs i love the spirit.

1398
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: OF it i THINK what, I so i, THINK offensively

1399
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:03,520
I Like aj mitchell Better Than. ALEX caruso i think

1400
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,920
there's even a case, to say, you Like Like, aj

1401
01:11:06,079 --> 01:11:08,279
mitchell who do you trust to run an offense? Right

1402
01:11:08,359 --> 01:11:10,880
NOW More, Aj mitchell Case and Wallace Or. Alex caruso, oh.

1403
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:12,039
Speaker 2: Yeah probably.

1404
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:16,319
Speaker 1: I'm just, wondering defensively EVEN though i think he's pretty.

1405
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:18,920
Good There alex Caruso and Case and wallace can guard

1406
01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:23,600
FORCE and i don't Know If aj, I'LL say i

1407
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,640
Don't Think aj mitchell can. Do that you need to

1408
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,279
stretch on. Some wings but if you're gonna ask him

1409
01:11:27,279 --> 01:11:30,239
to guard up to these, bigger, FORWARDS yeah i like

1410
01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:32,239
the spirit of. Buying it i'm gonna sell IT because

1411
01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:34,199
i still at least Think If alex caruso has any

1412
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:37,760
semblance of healthy the positional mallubility on d although but

1413
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,640
again maybe if you're the thunder you look. At, us

1414
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,479
well if we get That From, cason wallace how badly

1415
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,239
do we need It From. Alex? Caruso yeah can you

1416
01:11:44,319 --> 01:11:46,880
believe we're even asking the question though with a? Straight, FACE.

1417
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: Well, i, mean look this is a scene that just keeps,

1418
01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:54,039
Finding Guys So i'm. I'M there, i, mean look they

1419
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,119
don't have their two latest first round draft picks at,

1420
01:11:57,119 --> 01:11:59,880
their exposal Like nicol dtopich by the way to see

1421
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:01,119
cancer like so.

1422
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:03,239
Speaker 1: That, all yeah but you, know what we actually haven't

1423
01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:05,520
covered that on, the pod so shout all the good vibes.

1424
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,239
To him chemotherapy is no, fucking.

1425
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:10,399
Speaker 2: Joke folks and and AND it's i have a friend

1426
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,239
who went through that same diagnose, the sect, same diagnosis

1427
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:16,560
and and like he also, told me it's just such

1428
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,640
a mind fuck really because then every time you just

1429
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,680
get a stomach pain after like you come through on the,

1430
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,680
other side, you're nervous and it's just this is not

1431
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,039
something to be. TAKEN lightly, i saw, you Know typical,

1432
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,680
facebook shit, you know, people, saying, OH so i guess

1433
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,600
he'll end up having, no balls and it's just. Stop.

1434
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,359
Speaker 1: It yeah then WHEN people i get when they thought

1435
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:39,319
it was, an injury and he apparently asked that the

1436
01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:41,439
thunder keep it, under wraps which that's that's the, tough

1437
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,000
stuff is that these guys are in the. Public eye

1438
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:45,199
but then it just gets announced to the world you're just.

1439
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:48,079
Sticular cancer but to make jokes, AFTER that, I aim i.

1440
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:49,039
Speaker 2: Hated it it was.

1441
01:12:49,159 --> 01:12:52,199
Speaker 1: Just so but it's also it's a mind fuck too

1442
01:12:52,359 --> 01:12:55,239
when you're. IT'S no i don't want anyone to. Get

1443
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:57,520
it but like when you're younger and your whole life

1444
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:58,640
is supposed to be ahead of you and you're not

1445
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,000
supposed to be dealing with this stuff becomes it's a

1446
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:03,479
different type of. Mental hurdle so we wish him. The

1447
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,880
best apparently the prognosis is, really good but even if

1448
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,479
it's a really good, chemotherapy sucks and so going through.

1449
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:14,239
Speaker 2: That's tough, but, yeah sorry go, ahead now it's just

1450
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:17,920
about to say. That him And Then thomas sorber is

1451
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,840
also going to miss. This, year yep was it THAT

1452
01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:22,760
the acl Was? THEN achilles i. DON'T remember i think

1453
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:23,000
it WAS.

1454
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: THE acl i want, To say i'll look.

1455
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: Really quick that's just that, also sucks by, the way

1456
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,079
for a. Young, player yeah.

1457
01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: Injuries, do suck just. Generally Speaking And thomas sorber is Out,

1458
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,560
with yeah that WAS. An acl the, other, thing too

1459
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,960
is buy Or Sell brooks barnheiser being more important than

1460
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,840
j dub that's probably think how we should rather just

1461
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:43,279
off the.

1462
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,520
Speaker 2: Name alone let's go. With It Like brooks Barnheiser And,

1463
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,520
chris youngblood Like the thunder are racking in guys with.

1464
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,199
Cool names, come on our next.

1465
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: Guy Up Ryan robins GRANT and i talked about him

1466
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,720
when we were talking About the. Bos' start, holy hell

1467
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:00,880
this guy's just. Coming, in oh you're the second option

1468
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:03,119
now For The, milwaukee bucks, and hey you're gonna defend

1469
01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:06,159
the other team's best. Best, guard basically you're gonna Hit,

1470
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:09,920
some again he's not hitting like the most. Complicated shots

1471
01:14:10,119 --> 01:14:12,760
but when you're Looking, at oh he's taken, Some doozies

1472
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,520
like there's taken. Some fallaways he's dribbled into his. Pull

1473
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,199
ups he's take he he has created off, the dribble

1474
01:14:18,199 --> 01:14:20,199
the way he's getting into, the lane showing the patients

1475
01:14:20,199 --> 01:14:21,920
and the poison getting all the way to the basket

1476
01:14:22,279 --> 01:14:26,279
when he, DOES so. I am i'm Smitten. WITH ryan

1477
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:28,640
i liked him last Year and i've now reached the level.

1478
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,000
Of smitten he's shooting twenty two of twenty five in the.

1479
01:14:31,039 --> 01:14:33,840
Restricted area more of those are self created than, you,

1480
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,119
think folks sixty one percent, on drives forty six point

1481
01:14:38,119 --> 01:14:40,199
two percent on pull. Up threes, and again he's not

1482
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,079
doing The The Luka Doncic Prime james harden stuff to,

1483
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:46,399
get them but like he is, fleeing them like he

1484
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,439
could come off, the dribble dribble, into them sidle. Into

1485
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,000
them he's going to get them Up averaging this is

1486
01:14:51,039 --> 01:14:53,079
not gonna hold but one point twenty four points per

1487
01:14:53,119 --> 01:14:56,319
possession out of the pick. And roll and he's doing

1488
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,079
all of this like he is carrying a real. Offensive

1489
01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:01,880
workload he's at over eighteen points per game for. THE

1490
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:03,760
season I believe i should have had that pulled up

1491
01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:06,039
right in front. Of me but he's shouldering a bigger

1492
01:15:06,119 --> 01:15:09,079
offensive workload and maybe not THE best, i know he's

1493
01:15:09,119 --> 01:15:11,680
not the best, primary playmaker but you're putting the ball in,

1494
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,239
his hands having him run, more things and he's still

1495
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:18,119
just kind of this. Defensive monster you cannot good luck

1496
01:15:18,199 --> 01:15:20,079
making an entry pass or a cross court pass with

1497
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:21,840
him on. The court he is just a passing. Lane

1498
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,279
fiend and he has guarded three of his most. Frequent

1499
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:29,880
assignments more Have Been, jalen, Bruns Him, donovan Mitchell And.

1500
01:15:30,199 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 2: Stephen curry their teams, seems, okay yeah.

1501
01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:38,520
Speaker 1: Their teams those Offenses When ryan rollins registers as a

1502
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,319
defender on one of those three guys are averaging again as,

1503
01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:44,600
a team one point zero three points. Per possession that

1504
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,680
is low that. Is insane that's the type of stuff

1505
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,760
that he was doing last, year too Is his he

1506
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,399
was cutting his teeth because of what he was, doing

1507
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,039
defensively and we kind of looked, and, said oh there might, be,

1508
01:15:55,239 --> 01:15:57,000
like oh this might be someone who could hit. SOME

1509
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:01,880
jumpers i buy Or Sell ryan rowins is a TOP

1510
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:07,079
ten mvp kidn buy Or Sell ryan rowins as just

1511
01:16:07,399 --> 01:16:10,239
a core Piece of milwaukee's team.

1512
01:16:10,119 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: Moving forward define, moving forward like within beyond.

1513
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: This year this is not the Whole like giannis. Is

1514
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,119
There It's jiannis turner and a bunch. Of dudes is

1515
01:16:19,239 --> 01:16:21,960
like how it's been framed like by, or sell this

1516
01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:25,239
is even by our sells him as a legitimate starter in.

1517
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:27,880
Today's league it's this is we're still early enough Into

1518
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,119
The ryan rowins ascent to where it's Not By ryan

1519
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:32,960
rowins as most improved or trying to take super macro.

1520
01:16:33,119 --> 01:16:35,359
THAT route i think it's by just buy Or Sell

1521
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,520
ryan rowins as a starter IN.

1522
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,520
Speaker 2: The, Nba yeah i'm. Buying that i'm. Buying that, YOU

1523
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,119
know i see a lot of us predicted that he'd

1524
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:48,199
be good for. The box but this is another thing

1525
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:53,279
entirely like he's he's leveled up to a point where

1526
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,439
he's become someone undeniable at least over the first six

1527
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,159
games so. The season let's see where he is at in.

1528
01:16:59,239 --> 01:17:03,680
A month, but like he's looked. So good this was

1529
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:08,159
so Needed for, milwaukee too because they just had no

1530
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:11,319
one really who could step into that playmaking role and

1531
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,239
do a bunch of stuff with the ball Outside. Of

1532
01:17:13,279 --> 01:17:17,079
giannis for him to do that while he's also, participating

1533
01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:20,640
defensively while he's hitting forty percent, from three while he's

1534
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,239
being very selective on, his twos while he's getting to

1535
01:17:23,279 --> 01:17:26,560
the freeview line, and converting by, the way, like this

1536
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,199
this is the type of get that they had to

1537
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:35,439
go find because, ultimately speaking it might be the difference

1538
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:40,439
making factor In retaining gyanis. Or not this. Is huge

1539
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,119
this is. Absolutely huge and the fact that he's younger

1540
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:48,039
and getting Minutes Under doc rivers should say Something because

1541
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:51,359
rivers historically is, just like unless you're, Thirty five i'm

1542
01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:55,640
not going to. Play you so that's that's. EXTRA impressive

1543
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,560
i do know that there's like a general lack of

1544
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,199
options on that team because it's a prooval platter for the,

1545
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:04,479
most part but that does not make even what.

1546
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: He's, doing Look the bucks have played well and they

1547
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,520
HAVE some i think their spacing is probably better than

1548
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,479
even we not YOU. And i but at least his.

1549
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,680
Podcast credited it makes what he's doing kind of even, more,

1550
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,640
impressive though because It's, not yes You have giannis on,

1551
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,439
the court and He has giannis is just. He's bonkers

1552
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:24,319
But who we were asking who is the second best

1553
01:18:24,319 --> 01:18:26,159
player On, the bucks and everyone just Pencils In miles

1554
01:18:26,199 --> 01:18:27,359
turner this year Has Been.

1555
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 2: Ryan rollins it, has yes It Has ryan ROWLINS And

1556
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,960
Aj green's that's that's.

1557
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:38,159
Speaker 1: The one buy Or Sell ryan Rollins as milwaukee's second. Best,

1558
01:18:38,199 --> 01:18:45,359
Player bye I'M gonna i just just feel so wildly

1559
01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:47,760
Disrespectful a turner who's actually been shooting well from Three

1560
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,239
when giannis is off. The floor what he Does if i'm,

1561
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:52,319
Gonna buy i'm just Gonna buy he's, you know what

1562
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,560
WHAT do i WHAT if i ALWAYS said i gravitate

1563
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,399
guys who are just gonna have more agency over the

1564
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,840
offense because the ball will be in, His Hands ryan

1565
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,439
rond will have more agency over. The OFFENSE so i

1566
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:02,119
mean by.

1567
01:19:02,079 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 2: It too that could be Disrespectful To. Miles turner you

1568
01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:08,319
give him a. Lego set he'll, Be fine he'll, Be,

1569
01:19:08,399 --> 01:19:09,520
Like okay i'll take.

1570
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,119
Speaker 1: It that the contract frame is still good, three years.

1571
01:19:13,159 --> 01:19:15,159
Twelve million but if they would have gotten like a

1572
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:17,039
team option or something on that third year rather than a,

1573
01:19:17,079 --> 01:19:20,159
player option because, right, now yeah having him for four

1574
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:21,920
million this year next year is like that's a.

1575
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:27,079
Speaker 2: Home run, of, course yes it's It's the it's almost

1576
01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:31,680
like getting guy who's underpaid is a good thing to

1577
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:36,359
actually rebuild your, team around, you know something that's. Possible,

1578
01:19:36,399 --> 01:19:41,640
TEAM yeah I still i hate how they constructed this.

1579
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,000
WHOLE thing i still think it's a mess of. A Roster. The,

1580
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:46,319
bucks yeah so.

1581
01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:48,039
Speaker 1: You're selling the idea Of the bucks being a real

1582
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:49,840
force In the. East Overall.

1583
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:54,399
Speaker 2: If jannis is, you Know if joannis misses like fifteen,

1584
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,279
Twenty games i'm. Selling, That yeah giannis is just like

1585
01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:02,319
he's the, swing obviously but like he's just such a

1586
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,960
ridiculous player that you can. Walk it you could sleep

1587
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,399
walk your winges of forty wains.

1588
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: With him what DID they i don't remember where they're

1589
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,600
over under ended up being at it was like forty

1590
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,520
two and, a, HALF right i might be prepared to

1591
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:13,960
BUY the i don't KNOW if i picked over, for

1592
01:20:14,039 --> 01:20:15,680
THEM but i might be prepared to buy. It now

1593
01:20:16,039 --> 01:20:20,560
IT seems i Think. The BUCKS what's i guess stood

1594
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,960
out to ME is i just expected them to die

1595
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,680
Every time yannis was off, the court and it seems like.

1596
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,680
They have they might be a, mish mash but it's

1597
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,600
a mishmash that can fend for themselves a little bit

1598
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,319
LONGER than i would have expected. For, now yeah we'll

1599
01:20:33,359 --> 01:20:38,800
see Next Up's Tyre's maxie moore buy Or Sell tyre's

1600
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:43,840
maxie MAKING all nba? This, year bye, all right you

1601
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,239
want to? Move, on yeah, All right i'm good. HE'S in,

1602
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,239
i mean he's, been incredible the Dynamic with vija and

1603
01:20:51,279 --> 01:20:53,319
the fact that he's doing this in part because the

1604
01:20:53,319 --> 01:20:55,720
Way the, Sixers play like fewer of his buckets are

1605
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,800
self created this year than they were, last year which

1606
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,680
is kind of mind boggling to. Think about when you

1607
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:03,359
know what's going On With, Joel Embiid, paul george you're

1608
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,960
lying on a ROOKIE In. VJ edgecombe i know there

1609
01:21:07,039 --> 01:21:09,000
was a lot made about his two point percentage earlier

1610
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:12,119
on in the year over sixty percent on floaters, right

1611
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:14,159
now the stop on a dime decision making for him

1612
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:16,720
has just gotten a, lot better more of a pull

1613
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,640
up threat off. THE dribble I think i'm gonna buy

1614
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,359
him As AN all nba. Not candidate i'll buy Him

1615
01:21:22,399 --> 01:21:24,359
MAKING all nba. This year especially what did we talk

1616
01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:27,279
About With josh giddy Baking An all. STAR team I

1617
01:21:27,359 --> 01:21:29,560
KNOW all nba is the, entire league but when you

1618
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,720
Don't have Tatum or halliburton to have to kind of end,

1619
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,640
with there and We Know joel embie's not gonna play

1620
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,640
in enough games or even be up to snuff at.

1621
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,800
That level with all the names that feel like they're

1622
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,000
kind of coming off, the Board is lebron even gonna

1623
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,119
be Eligible FOR? All nba doesn't seem like he's gonna

1624
01:21:43,119 --> 01:21:47,039
play in sixty. Five, games Uh that's i'll buy it.

1625
01:21:47,119 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 2: As, well great we're Done On. Syrege maxi that.

1626
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:52,039
Speaker 1: Was quick but that's really all you want to Do

1627
01:21:52,119 --> 01:21:54,279
on no Thoughts, on, tyree, honestly.

1628
01:21:54,079 --> 01:21:57,520
Speaker 2: No he's you basically Said He's, syree's maxi and he's Just,

1629
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,920
HE'S look i don't want to go along on this

1630
01:22:01,039 --> 01:22:06,279
one because it's. PRETTY simple i don't even care how

1631
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:09,159
many Wins the sixers end up with, this year it's

1632
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:15,239
all about finding an alternate path to somewhat that resembles

1633
01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:19,600
success without the Presence Of joel Embiid Or paul george

1634
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,319
necessarily because you can't rely on them in terms of the.

1635
01:22:22,399 --> 01:22:25,800
Health Factor tyrese maxi is their. New star he's their,

1636
01:22:26,199 --> 01:22:29,279
New priority he's the new, turning point he's their. New

1637
01:22:29,359 --> 01:22:32,439
everything that is the guy you. Build. Around now, you

1638
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,680
can't in, any way shape, or form allow yourself to

1639
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,960
go in and make roster moves with the mindset of

1640
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,079
how does This improve Joel Or? Paul george? Fuck that

1641
01:22:44,319 --> 01:22:48,439
that ship? Is that, that's sailed, it's over. It's done

1642
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:52,079
it's all about how do We Surround tyre's maasey with the?

1643
01:22:52,119 --> 01:22:52,800
Right talent.

1644
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: Does that make you more or? Less inclined if You're,

1645
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,319
the sixers you're now planning because he? Is honest, second

1646
01:23:00,359 --> 01:23:02,239
deal it's The fun max to, be fair, he's young

1647
01:23:03,399 --> 01:23:05,199
but you ALSO have vj edgecumb are you looking At

1648
01:23:05,239 --> 01:23:07,720
and jared McCain of Course going. Grimes too it's a

1649
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,000
lot of guards loan Around and phil a lot of.

1650
01:23:09,039 --> 01:23:12,119
The guards are you taking the longer view to where

1651
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:14,199
this is not we're. NOT looking i get what, you're

1652
01:23:14,199 --> 01:23:16,319
saying Build AROUND, tyre's maxi but is when you say

1653
01:23:16,359 --> 01:23:18,760
Build Around, tyre's maxey does that mean kind of go

1654
01:23:19,159 --> 01:23:22,359
through a process or is this you think you're ready

1655
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:24,399
to build a Winner Around tyre's maxey at.

1656
01:23:24,399 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 2: The, moment, well now at, the moment it's pretty tough

1657
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,399
because one hundred and six million this year alone is

1658
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,520
tied Up in Joel And. Paul george So what i'm,

1659
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,439
saying is whenever you make, draft picks, for example whenever

1660
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,640
you make trades, moving forward it has to be with

1661
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,840
him in mind and Stuff joelan peede. IN mind.

1662
01:23:41,399 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 1: I think that's the. Right call if they're, NOT there

1663
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,680
i would question it should be, uh yeah if they're,

1664
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,600
not there they should be next up, Your Guy. Steph

1665
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,800
castle and look he's gonna have more of. An opportunity

1666
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,319
not only Is The aaron, fox out But Now dylan

1667
01:23:54,359 --> 01:23:55,760
harper is going to miss a few weeks with a

1668
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,600
WITH a. Caf strain that's do you find Yourself aside,

1669
01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:03,399
EVERY year i FEEL like i, keep saying injuries just

1670
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,600
keep getting worse. And worse they're. More rampant i'm saying

1671
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,039
the same, THING again i just feel like there's a

1672
01:24:07,079 --> 01:24:07,920
lot of dudes out.

1673
01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:11,319
Speaker 2: Right, now yeah they're. NOT wrong i feel the. Same

1674
01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:14,079
way that is what happens when you have a league

1675
01:24:14,119 --> 01:24:18,279
who now starts their defense at forty feet out instead

1676
01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:20,840
of twenty. Feet out which is one of my biggest

1677
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,079
pet peeves is when, people, say well people didn't get

1678
01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:26,199
injured in the eighties, And nineties, well no because, you

1679
01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:29,760
know they didn't pick anyone up until they more or

1680
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,520
less approached like twenty feet and in, so like you

1681
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,119
didn't really move all that much on defense as you.

1682
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 1: Are so stress the MODERN day mba puts on bodies

1683
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,199
from a game to, GAME basis i don't know how

1684
01:24:42,279 --> 01:24:46,119
you argue that it's anything more than, Added RIGHT so.

1685
01:24:46,319 --> 01:24:50,199
Speaker 2: I, ACTUALLY like i don't REMEMBER where i, ret this

1686
01:24:51,239 --> 01:24:56,760
but someone said that the PHYSICAL stress nba players are

1687
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,720
approaching is reminding them that there was some personal trainer

1688
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,199
or something more of WHAT an nfl player is, going through,

1689
01:25:05,239 --> 01:25:08,199
you know for a game to. Game basis and that's

1690
01:25:08,359 --> 01:25:11,479
just mind blowing because how many games is it IN

1691
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,399
the NFL seventeen i think seventeen games and then eighty

1692
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:21,359
two IN, The nba like that is a major. Disconnect

1693
01:25:21,399 --> 01:25:24,399
there if that's like WHAT an nba player goes, Through

1694
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,880
physically so if that, even resembles, you know from a

1695
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:33,319
single game perspective to a WHAT an nfl player does

1696
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:38,640
from a single, game perspective that's worrying on so. Many levels,

1697
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:46,119
We'll see We'll See. Stefan CASTLE though i know a

1698
01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:48,840
lot of people are down. ON him i. GET that i.

1699
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:52,560
Get that the, shooting thing the shooting concern, is real because.

1700
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:53,640
IT is, i mean he is.

1701
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 1: Not somewhere he shooting thirty four threes.

1702
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: With VOLUME though, I know i know this is again

1703
01:26:00,199 --> 01:26:02,239
and this Is The josh giddy thing all, over, Again

1704
01:26:02,359 --> 01:26:05,079
right like consext is, So necessary like he's hitting only

1705
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:07,920
eighteen percent of his, pull ups like everything for him

1706
01:26:08,359 --> 01:26:12,720
has to be served and from a shooting, perspective obviously

1707
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,560
and that's the Only thing i'm talking. About here so

1708
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:20,439
he's hitting forty two percent on wide, open threes wide

1709
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:25,119
open threes like six plus feet on, anything else he's

1710
01:26:25,279 --> 01:26:28,319
either not hit or he's hitting. Fourteen percent so like

1711
01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:31,039
he has to be wide freaking open to shoot.

1712
01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:32,399
Speaker 1: That rock that is.

1713
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 2: Majorly concerning he's not hits his, free thros although he

1714
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,720
is getting to. The LINE what I love dan is.

1715
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,199
Everything else the way that, he's slashing the way that,

1716
01:26:42,279 --> 01:26:45,000
he's driving the way he's just dunking, on people like

1717
01:26:45,159 --> 01:26:49,239
literally just getting into, the paint rising up and like

1718
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,520
looking at that poor defender under, the basket, thinking oh

1719
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,800
he's gonna lay the ball up on the glass, and, nope,

1720
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,239
no no he's just gonna keep going up and he's

1721
01:26:57,279 --> 01:26:59,359
gonna put the ball in the basket and just dunk

1722
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,159
on Those Guys like it's that is remarkable. To me

1723
01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:07,479
his all, AROUND game i think is becoming more and.

1724
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:12,359
More UNDERRATED like i think the passing is so interesting

1725
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,640
because to start the year he had a ton. Of

1726
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,720
turnovers he was in his. Own head then he dialed.

1727
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:21,359
That down still is making like really. Solid reads he's

1728
01:27:22,319 --> 01:27:26,439
clawing his way. To rebounds he's just such a high.

1729
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,319
Utility player like is he? A star, probably not but

1730
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,560
he's one of those guys who is just going to

1731
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:38,920
win you, games somehow some way off defense, of energy

1732
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:43,600
of just suddenly putting in twenty three points off of.

1733
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:48,840
SHEER drives i think he's far better than what we

1734
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,399
give him. Credit FOR and i think, his weakness which,

1735
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,880
is grand it is a big f and weakness is

1736
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,159
getting a little too much overblown in or at least

1737
01:27:58,319 --> 01:28:02,039
make giving it. The problem he's just we're forgetting what he's.

1738
01:28:02,079 --> 01:28:04,199
Doing convinsively we're forgetting what he's doing on. The glass

1739
01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:06,600
we're forgetting what he's doing, Driving wise we're forgetting what

1740
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:10,000
he's doing. Playmaking Wise like he's just he is a

1741
01:28:10,199 --> 01:28:12,479
good ass. Basketball player he does so much on. The

1742
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:16,159
floor i'm not convinced he's, a STAR but i am

1743
01:28:16,279 --> 01:28:17,399
convinced that he's good.

1744
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:22,239
Speaker 1: AND influential i am someone who's been notoriously lower. ON

1745
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:24,119
him i don't know if i'd be lower on him than.

1746
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:26,319
Consensus now BUT what i really like the defensive stuff

1747
01:28:26,399 --> 01:28:27,439
is just that we don't need to get. Into it

1748
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,800
he's awesome on. That end you mentioned the driving that's.

1749
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,600
Been big he's the second highest, excuse me third highest

1750
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,319
voul rate on drives right now among players who have

1751
01:28:35,399 --> 01:28:37,960
scored at least thirty five points, on drives which is

1752
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,880
a pretty big group at. The MOMENT what i think

1753
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,000
is most. Impressed me, and look by, THE way i

1754
01:28:43,119 --> 01:28:45,520
know you mentioned the gravity Thing With. Josh giddy if

1755
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,319
you told me that he's just gonna shoot thirty five

1756
01:28:47,359 --> 01:28:49,520
percent from three point range on, those looks and you

1757
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,960
mentioned the wide. Open percentage that's fine because because of.

1758
01:28:53,039 --> 01:28:55,159
His driving what did we talk About? With giddy you

1759
01:28:55,239 --> 01:28:57,439
don't have that Question With. Steph castle he will eat

1760
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,640
up that space that you. Give, HIM yes i think

1761
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,399
what my give me more confidence in his OFFENSE than

1762
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,800
i had before is we, all know like you'll get

1763
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,399
the playmaking assist stuff, in Transition or Victor m bernama

1764
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,960
is such the skyscraping target you will be able to. Find,

1765
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,880
assists anyway it seems like he's gonna be able to

1766
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,720
make those swing cross court kickouts when he's coming around

1767
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,720
a screen and. Going downhill and he actually doesn't have

1768
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,800
a ton of assists. On drives but if you're just

1769
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,560
gonna give him a ball screen in a pick and roll,

1770
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,319
or something that part of his game this year. Feels

1771
01:29:27,399 --> 01:29:30,560
better AND so. I have i'm Higher On steph CASTLE

1772
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,239
than i was this time. LAST year i don't there

1773
01:29:33,279 --> 01:29:35,000
are two buyer sales we could. Go with let's go

1774
01:29:35,079 --> 01:29:37,600
as the, easy one buy Or Sell steph castle finishing

1775
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,520
as the second leading scorer On the spurs. This, Season,

1776
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,000
bye really even With The aaron fox. Coming back.

1777
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 2: So here's the Thing. About fox the concerns to me

1778
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,439
a little bit you and you it's it's actually in

1779
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,760
part because of You that i'm a little down on.

1780
01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:02,199
That experience the spacing is Great In. San antonio Now

1781
01:30:02,279 --> 01:30:06,199
that wenby has limited his own three, POINT attempts i

1782
01:30:06,319 --> 01:30:10,840
am Wondering if fox is going to get the necessary

1783
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,640
space to get into that mid range area and actually get.

1784
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:18,039
OPEN looks i wonder because he could always leverage, someone else,

1785
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,960
you know the spacing of someone else to get. Those

1786
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,800
shots can he do? That here is there enough spacing

1787
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:28,680
around for him to leverage other guys shooting capabilities of

1788
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:32,399
getting the shots that. HE wants i don't know the answer. To,

1789
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:36,079
that maybe and, If so i'm gonna. Be wrong but

1790
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,560
when it comes to like his capabilities as a Driver

1791
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:44,119
And steph castle's ability as, a driver just finishing plays around,

1792
01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:47,119
the rim just creating something out of, NOTE nothing i

1793
01:30:47,319 --> 01:30:50,159
just trust a guy, who's Bigger and i'm not just,

1794
01:30:50,279 --> 01:30:54,720
talking taller but also physically, like. Bigger Larger the castle

1795
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:59,800
is like six six two, Twenty FIVE so i think

1796
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,920
if there's a component There for castle where he can

1797
01:31:04,199 --> 01:31:06,359
drive his way to like fifteen points, a game and

1798
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:08,840
then he'll come like then you'll have the, occasional three

1799
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,279
you'll have some, free froze like the twenty point average

1800
01:31:12,319 --> 01:31:15,720
that he's on. Right now it wouldn't even shock me if.

1801
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:21,880
That grows Whereas, with fox is the spacing available to

1802
01:31:22,079 --> 01:31:25,800
him to be able to go as fast downhill, as

1803
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,279
before to get to those mid range jump shots that.

1804
01:31:28,359 --> 01:31:31,800
HE loves i don't know the answer.

1805
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,159
Speaker 1: To that i'll SELL because i think that Even, In

1806
01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:37,239
sacramento fox has shown that he can work with in

1807
01:31:37,319 --> 01:31:41,039
ty confines to get his and even if that's a

1808
01:31:41,119 --> 01:31:43,239
really good point on the driving and, the finishing looking

1809
01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:45,800
at the, bigger body the stronger Body in castle and

1810
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,760
just being used as more of a, play finisher Where

1811
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:49,640
dearon fox did some of that away from the ball offs.

1812
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:51,600
The BONUS but i don't know if you're gonna do

1813
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,000
That In san Antonio with wemby or you're gonna try

1814
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,000
It With dylan Harper Or steph. CASTLE himself i just

1815
01:31:57,039 --> 01:31:59,600
Think that fox is gonna be given more A if

1816
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,279
wemby he's not on, The Floor daron fox will probably

1817
01:32:02,279 --> 01:32:04,279
be on the floor running. The offense and even if

1818
01:32:04,279 --> 01:32:07,359
He's Playing Alongsid dylan Harper Or, steph castle he's going

1819
01:32:07,399 --> 01:32:08,960
to be the one that. WOULD run i just think

1820
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,800
that he's going to have more control of the ball

1821
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:16,880
and he is a score. First guard, but oh, Go, ahead.

1822
01:32:17,119 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 2: No it's fair because like they just gave HIM the

1823
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:20,920
max and a thirty, percent max.

1824
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: So he's also good, because, no, no.

1825
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,279
Speaker 2: NO NO i I if i gave the IMPRESSION that

1826
01:32:27,359 --> 01:32:30,000
i Don't Think jaron fox, is GOOD then i failed as.

1827
01:32:30,039 --> 01:32:32,800
A podcaster that is NOT what i want. TO insinuate i.

1828
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:37,560
LOVE him i think it's just, he's again it's the

1829
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:41,119
spacing thing that just keeps going around and around. My

1830
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:43,039
HEAD but i do, hear you and it gave him

1831
01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:44,960
a thirty. Percent max so.

1832
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:50,319
Speaker 1: But you're. Probably right this one's interesting by By. Or

1833
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:53,680
Sell steph castle Making An all star team not, this

1834
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:55,840
season but is He An all star for?

1835
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 2: His, career, YES spy.

1836
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 1: I want. To BUY but i just what is the

1837
01:33:05,239 --> 01:33:08,560
archetype of player that Became An all star that it

1838
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:11,399
just feels like these types, of players specifically at the,

1839
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,479
guard position or even if you might view him as,

1840
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,199
a wing especially When the spurs are at, full strength

1841
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:19,520
feels like they're, perennially Underappreciated and i'm trying to think

1842
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,319
of what would be a good comp for a player

1843
01:33:21,399 --> 01:33:25,359
that Routinely Made all star games well HAVING.

1844
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,199
Speaker 2: Good i don't think we need A, COMP dan i

1845
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:29,840
think we need to look at it through what we

1846
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,680
talked about earlier with. The coaches if a coach has

1847
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:37,720
to game plan for a guy defensively, and offensively that's

1848
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:40,840
there are not a lot of those guys around.

1849
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,560
Speaker 1: His case is it's not Dissimilar To? Amen, Thompson, right.

1850
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:52,119
Speaker 2: Oh. That's, INTERESTING no I mean I think I think

1851
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:55,600
thompson is was just wild to Say because castle is,

1852
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,439
so Athletic like thompson is, more athletic he might be

1853
01:33:58,479 --> 01:33:58,760
a little.

1854
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:00,359
Speaker 1: Bit more he's more of a nuclear force.

1855
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:06,399
Speaker 2: For, sure, right Yes but castle's production is is, Up,

1856
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:10,239
THERE like i don't think there's the disparity between them

1857
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,199
is all that much as people like to make it

1858
01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:13,760
OUT as.

1859
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:19,159
Speaker 1: I think i'm GONNA sell i don't feel good, about

1860
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:20,800
it spurs fans don't, like It but i'm gonna. SELL

1861
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,720
it i just don't know that That's the and by,

1862
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,520
The Way all star selections are no longer this great metric.

1863
01:34:26,359 --> 01:34:29,279
Speaker 2: For how great was. No player but let's play in

1864
01:34:29,359 --> 01:34:33,720
a game that doesn't matter and where we don't. Care whatsoever,

1865
01:34:34,399 --> 01:34:38,880
that is that is where the honor Lies, in yes great.

1866
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 1: Our final, guy More Mister keishawn george Of The. WASHINGTON

1867
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:49,279
wizards i have so many Thoughts On. Keishaw? George why

1868
01:34:50,199 --> 01:34:52,560
why are? You pissed you want to because he's He

1869
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,680
might he's a where do you? Land on sophomore's winning most?

1870
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:56,359
Improved player?

1871
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:57,159
Speaker 2: Thought?

1872
01:34:57,239 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: IT so i have.

1873
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,279
Speaker 2: A rule I don't i don't know if you, remember

1874
01:35:00,359 --> 01:35:02,800
this but for years and years AND years i had.

1875
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,600
A rule i still have that Rule with BRIAN sporg

1876
01:35:06,399 --> 01:35:08,840
i don't want second year guys, winning IT and i

1877
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,920
don't want former lottery picks.

1878
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:14,079
Speaker 1: Winning it if lottery picks one, is stupid, that's no.

1879
01:35:14,199 --> 01:35:17,319
Speaker 2: It's not it's that comes. With expectations it's. Not stupid it's.

1880
01:35:17,359 --> 01:35:19,039
Super smart. You're, STUPID.

1881
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 1: Honestly. I can't i can't argue. With That, keijean, GEORGE

1882
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:25,279
though i want to start you off with a question

1883
01:35:25,359 --> 01:35:27,000
that you're already going to know the answer TO before i.

1884
01:35:27,079 --> 01:35:31,439
Dig in who Leads the wizards in points created off assists?

1885
01:35:32,079 --> 01:35:32,920
This season.

1886
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 2: Points created off assists. Probably him i'm, guessing yes it's.

1887
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,119
Speaker 1: Fucking Him keishew george has. BEEN amazing i want to

1888
01:35:43,159 --> 01:35:46,479
RECOGNIZE that i don't expect all the efficiency. To hold

1889
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,479
he is currently shooting fifty four and a half percent

1890
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,560
from three forty four point five percent on pull up

1891
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,039
triples that he's had like a trillion percent on catching.

1892
01:35:55,079 --> 01:35:58,640
Shoot triples his clip at the rim is fifteen. Of

1893
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:00,239
eighteen that's PRETTY.

1894
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,279
Speaker 2: What. I, think no but that's SOMETHING that i think

1895
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:07,880
is like he's being. Selective TOO and i like that

1896
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,760
about him because last year when he, CAME in i

1897
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:13,880
don't know if, you remember but it, Was like i'm

1898
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,079
only gonna, shoot threes this is gonna be my role in.

1899
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:18,079
The league that was more or less like how he

1900
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:23,159
was pegged like coming in and so for him to suddenly,

1901
01:36:23,239 --> 01:36:24,840
say no you, know what going into a year, Or

1902
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:27,119
two i'm gonna. Do more i'm gonna try to get

1903
01:36:27,119 --> 01:36:28,520
to the line a little. Bit more i'm going to

1904
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:31,640
try to convert at the rim a little. BIT more

1905
01:36:32,119 --> 01:36:36,520
i have a Sneaky suspicion dan that he's been speaking

1906
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,560
a Lot To corey kisbert and like picking his Brain

1907
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,960
because corey is like one of the most underrated at

1908
01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:45,880
rim finishers in the league and has been for. Like

1909
01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:50,560
years it wouldn't shock me if there's been some notes,

1910
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:54,399
comparing there Because if george suddenly turns into someone who's

1911
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:56,760
just more than what we were supposed to be getting,

1912
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,039
from him major win For.

1913
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:03,279
Speaker 1: The wizards that's interesting because, he Doesn't Like, corey kispert

1914
01:37:03,319 --> 01:37:06,680
doesn't really Do What keijon george is doing right Now Like.

1915
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:10,319
Kejon george's they're having him like run. The offense. He's

1916
01:37:10,359 --> 01:37:12,880
up he's running seven pick and rolls, per game up

1917
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:16,359
from two. LAST year i echoed the patient's thing that

1918
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:18,039
you said when he's in. THE lane i think it's helped.

1919
01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:20,000
Get him he's taking he's another one with taking some

1920
01:37:20,119 --> 01:37:24,000
audacious shot attempts, at points but he's getting deep on

1921
01:37:24,119 --> 01:37:26,159
some of his drives when he's coming around, ball screens

1922
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,920
and that's. Absolutely huge he looks. Very, comfortable again the

1923
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,840
efficiency in All, like liuld will, not hold but he

1924
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,560
is so comfortable getting off of those. Pull UPS and

1925
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:38,359
i think when you're looking at the, passing specifically none

1926
01:37:38,399 --> 01:37:40,960
of it is, super complicated but it's just as far

1927
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,640
as having his, head up like when he's dribbling the

1928
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,159
ball up, the floor being able to. Find guys if

1929
01:37:46,199 --> 01:37:48,760
he's coming out of pick and rolls like he, can

1930
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:51,399
spray he's going to see some of THE like i,

1931
01:37:51,399 --> 01:37:52,880
should say some of. The bigs it's not like they

1932
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,359
have a ton of Bigs. On washington i'm very curious

1933
01:37:55,399 --> 01:37:57,960
to see what he could do if there was more

1934
01:37:58,079 --> 01:38:01,000
like rather than, kicking out if there was more lobs

1935
01:38:01,039 --> 01:38:04,560
being Thrown To alex sarr or even if there was

1936
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:06,640
more of like a traditional rim running big man on.

1937
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,720
This team that's not, You Know. Marvin bagley just to,

1938
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:13,319
Be CLEAR i'm i don't know if this is someone

1939
01:38:13,399 --> 01:38:16,640
you look at, and, say, oh okay he is going

1940
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,880
to run, the offense that's not WHAT they've a lot

1941
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:22,159
of this, is happening and it's still coming within the

1942
01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:26,920
Flow of. Washington's offense but this is like what he's doing,

1943
01:38:27,079 --> 01:38:30,319
right now even if the efficiency, comes down this feels

1944
01:38:30,399 --> 01:38:32,279
like the actual player to Where it's is this a

1945
01:38:32,359 --> 01:38:36,239
bigger Version of there are, different games BUT like i

1946
01:38:36,279 --> 01:38:37,920
don't even know who's the Best compet is this a

1947
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,399
bigger version of just Like What derek white is To

1948
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:43,479
the celtics at, his peak to where it's he could

1949
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,760
do things as like on, his own and that's a

1950
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,039
lot of what we're seeing Now. From washington AND so

1951
01:38:50,079 --> 01:38:52,840
i was gonna buy or sell to You As keyshawn

1952
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,039
george As the wizards's highest upside.

1953
01:38:56,119 --> 01:39:01,560
Speaker 2: Young, Player no i'm gonna sell on. THAT one, I

1954
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:05,079
mean alex sar. STILL sorry, I mean i, hear you

1955
01:39:06,039 --> 01:39:07,800
but at the end of, THE day i DIDN'T.

1956
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Say i was. Buying it that's just the that's. The

1957
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,159
buyer so that's. Being, Proposed no.

1958
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm selling, I'm, look, ALEX sorry i understand that the

1959
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:20,520
rookie season he went through was, you know borderline disastrous

1960
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,680
is in, Some AREAS and i know a lot of

1961
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,439
wishers fans, were like you know all all actually like

1962
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:31,039
nine out of twelve, of them all, of them or

1963
01:39:31,159 --> 01:39:35,640
like basically do we trust? This guy like is this

1964
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:38,720
is this the guy for? The future we're seeing him

1965
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,119
start of, the year the year number two is so

1966
01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:44,880
much better when you have a seven footer who can,

1967
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,479
drill threes who can, block shots who, can rebound who

1968
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,880
can pass, the ball can run, and transition who can

1969
01:39:52,039 --> 01:39:55,159
participate in half court sets. As well where yes, he

1970
01:39:55,239 --> 01:39:58,920
will he does still need, some polishing but still that,

1971
01:39:59,159 --> 01:40:02,800
to me will all always be so much more influential

1972
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:06,800
than a wing who can sort of create. PART time.

1973
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,199
Speaker 1: I think i would have to sell, it TOO and

1974
01:40:11,279 --> 01:40:13,399
i would probably still Lean Towards alex SAR and I Love,

1975
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:17,199
blah KOLABALI but i, think maybe and this is like

1976
01:40:17,279 --> 01:40:19,640
the niche buy or sell is if we're buying or Selling,

1977
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:23,199
At keshawn george is more than just, a tertiary like

1978
01:40:23,319 --> 01:40:26,039
third or fourth creator on. A team i would. BUY

1979
01:40:26,119 --> 01:40:28,239
it i think there's more that he could do for,

1980
01:40:28,399 --> 01:40:31,279
the offense and maybe once the shot making pulls back a,

1981
01:40:31,319 --> 01:40:35,119
little Bit perhaps i'll. Feel differently but this is what they're.

1982
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:39,000
Seeing now this is kind of just like fortunes altering

1983
01:40:39,239 --> 01:40:42,279
for them, from HIM and i. WOULD agree I think

1984
01:40:42,359 --> 01:40:45,199
sar IS probably i really do Like, cool BALI but

1985
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,920
i don't think he's who has of the young players

1986
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:53,800
who has the highest upside offensively For. The wizards it's Probably.

1987
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:56,399
Still sar he has ten dunks this YEAR more i

1988
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:58,239
think only two of them are out of. Alley oops

1989
01:40:58,239 --> 01:40:58,720
how do you feel?

1990
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 2: About that that's a weird way To Spell kim whitmore

1991
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:04,239
in terms of the, highest, Upside, no yeah.

1992
01:41:04,119 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 1: How's THAT mi ip pick? Working?

1993
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 2: Out, UH no i mean the Answer is alex, are

1994
01:41:12,039 --> 01:41:13,920
right it's the it would?

1995
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,039
Speaker 1: Be two is It Still? Trey johnson would you? Consider?

1996
01:41:17,159 --> 01:41:20,920
Cool SO so I Like.

1997
01:41:21,039 --> 01:41:26,359
Speaker 2: TREY johnson i might legitimately have the offensive upside strictly

1998
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:30,640
isolated this offensive Upside And kim witmore Over. Trade, johnson.

1999
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:38,039
Speaker 1: Wait Have cam Whitmore Over. Trey, Johnson, yes yeah, that's

2000
01:41:38,119 --> 01:41:42,319
interesting Just Because trey johnson as a shooter definitely A

2001
01:41:42,359 --> 01:41:44,600
better he's gonna do more as a Passer Than cam.

2002
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:51,640
Speaker 2: WHITMORE probably i just there's Something About trey JOHNSON THAT

2003
01:41:52,359 --> 01:41:56,680
i i there's SOMETHING that. I trust like, He'll score

2004
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:59,239
like he'll find a way. To score like he's he's a.

2005
01:41:59,279 --> 01:42:02,399
Creative guy he's not necessarily a strong three. Point shooter

2006
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,000
he's not necessarily a strong at. Rim guy but like

2007
01:42:06,199 --> 01:42:08,239
he will take and make a certain amount of mid,

2008
01:42:08,359 --> 01:42:10,520
range shots or he'll get a, Couple laps like he'll

2009
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:15,680
find a, Way right and he's, he's skinny he's not

2010
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,239
as he's not really. THAT big i wonder if he

2011
01:42:19,279 --> 01:42:23,720
can absorb contact. LATER on i just like the more

2012
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:27,399
the physical the Physicality Of kem widmore a little. BIT

2013
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:30,319
more i like. THE shooting i think, for him it's

2014
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:34,239
just it's trying to cobble together in, your, mind like

2015
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:37,319
HOW can i be conducive? Towards winning HOW can i

2016
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,800
apply myself More when i'm on the floor in terms,

2017
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:44,000
of quality, shot selection in terms of understanding time, and

2018
01:42:44,039 --> 01:42:47,359
score understanding my place, in this in this hierarchy of,

2019
01:42:47,399 --> 01:42:51,760
the GAME so i can level. Up Organically, TREY johnson

2020
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:56,760
i fear, it's EARLY so i don't want to put this.

2021
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,720
On him but There's Some jordan hawkins vibes going.

2022
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 1: On, THERE okay.

2023
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:04,239
Speaker 2: I don't want to put that, On him by, THE

2024
01:43:04,279 --> 01:43:07,239
way i want him to be Better Than jordan hawkins to.

2025
01:43:07,359 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Be, SURE yeah I think i would Still Go trey johnson.

2026
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:11,399
Over kids.

2027
01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:14,560
Speaker 2: THAT'S fair I don't i don't mind being wrong on

2028
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,600
this one because you know what it Is With.

2029
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:18,520
Speaker 1: Cam whitmore so we're now on his second team and

2030
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,359
it's in the third year of just like he seems

2031
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:23,319
like this guy who should be, playing more and yet

2032
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:26,399
he's not this guy who is playing more and that And,

2033
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:29,159
That Again trey johnson's only very early INTO his. Nba

2034
01:43:29,279 --> 01:43:32,239
career so if you ever rank if you had to

2035
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,920
rank the hierarchy of importance For the wizards young, players

2036
01:43:36,039 --> 01:43:40,720
prospects and we're including So That, Bisar Kolabali, Trey Johnson,

2037
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:47,119
Bob Carrington, keishawn George And cam whitmore. Like everybody there

2038
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:48,760
so many dudes.

2039
01:43:49,239 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 2: They HAVE not i love the way they. Constructed This,

2040
01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:56,039
ALEX saar i Think. It's, onett yeah with with a bullet.

2041
01:43:56,119 --> 01:44:00,239
Speaker 1: Probably So but bo was shooting well from three to start.

2042
01:44:00,279 --> 01:44:02,039
To year alex, are too and we saw some of that.

2043
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:05,520
Last season I'm gonna i'm gonna say it, right NOW

2044
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,159
and i. WANT to i want to, make this put

2045
01:44:07,239 --> 01:44:09,319
this on RECORD because i have. A noted i Think

2046
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:13,239
cool bali is. Really good the offensive concerns just with

2047
01:44:13,319 --> 01:44:15,039
him or what the limitations are gonna be A real

2048
01:44:15,159 --> 01:44:18,000
I Think Keishawn george i'm going to buy him as

2049
01:44:18,039 --> 01:44:21,439
the second most important prospect On The. WASHINGTON wizards i

2050
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:23,399
think you look at just as a. Wing body what

2051
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:27,039
he could, do defensively if you're gonna get a would

2052
01:44:27,039 --> 01:44:29,800
be like a good wing comp in terms of facilitation,

2053
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,319
For him like if you're gonna look at the level,

2054
01:44:32,359 --> 01:44:34,960
of passing he's Gonna get it's higher than A Jail,

2055
01:44:35,039 --> 01:44:36,760
in brown but maybe not as much As A, jason

2056
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,199
tatum although it's. Still young could he be saddled with

2057
01:44:39,279 --> 01:44:42,279
that type of but? Making responsibility you give me that

2058
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:45,680
with this type of multi level shot making, from him

2059
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:48,239
or at least the ability to get to the. Basket

2060
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:51,039
draw maybe you want him maybe to draw, more fouls

2061
01:44:51,079 --> 01:44:53,439
but the ability to, draw fouls the three, point shooting

2062
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,800
being able to work on, the ball off the ball

2063
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,479
in general is Basically what I'm what i'm. Getting, At

2064
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,319
uh i'm gonna. Call him Maybe maybe i'm being a little,

2065
01:45:01,399 --> 01:45:03,279
quick HERE but I think george is.

2066
01:45:03,359 --> 01:45:05,600
Speaker 2: The same oh you are, Historically, premature, yes.

2067
01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:09,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh yeah I've got i've got REFERENCES that.

2068
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 2: I know so. We agree it's saar one and we.

2069
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,560
Can talk you can't wait more to no no, NO

2070
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:24,600
NO i i no so so. Not YET i'm i

2071
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,119
would have been considering it if he's actually if he'd

2072
01:45:27,159 --> 01:45:29,960
actually like landed THE way i thought he would Land.

2073
01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:32,960
In washington the fact that he hasn't. Is concerning i'm

2074
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,199
not gonna sit here, and say, you, know OH because

2075
01:45:35,239 --> 01:45:38,399
i picked HIM, For mip i'm just gonna be. STUBBORN no,

2076
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:42,399
i mean you're. Obviously right the franchise doesn't trust him

2077
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:44,479
to play more than seventeen minutes, per GAME so i

2078
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:48,279
can't see her and justify. That selection the thing to

2079
01:45:48,399 --> 01:45:52,640
Me with kulibli is the fact that he's just so,

2080
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:56,640
raw offensively and we've seen it ALSO in. Feba competition

2081
01:45:57,159 --> 01:46:01,159
he hasn't really stood out do? YOU offensively i think

2082
01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:04,680
the upside, is great but you need to be a

2083
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,000
two way player in. Today's game, so like even though

2084
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:10,640
you are, Historically premature i'm actually going to buy into

2085
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:14,479
that and probably agree. With you it's going To Be

2086
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:18,199
keishaw george at the number two spot HERE because i

2087
01:46:18,279 --> 01:46:20,840
Can't Justify trey johnson at. THIS point i, just. CAN'T

2088
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:21,960
right i.

2089
01:46:22,039 --> 01:46:25,640
Speaker 1: Mean the Way Even keishaw george is rebounded this year, on,

2090
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,560
DEFENSE anyway, i, think yes there's something weird if his

2091
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:31,399
fall rate, was higher and also if he wasn't like

2092
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:33,560
he shot seventy five percent of the line last year on,

2093
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:36,199
minimal attempts which, is whatever and now he's down to

2094
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:38,960
sixty two Point, foot like there's something weird going. On

2095
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:41,800
Here but i'm GLAD that i DON'T think i. Sold

2096
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:42,960
You but i'm glad that we're at least on the

2097
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,199
same page that he had the fact that we're having

2098
01:46:45,239 --> 01:46:47,800
this conversation TO where i don't think what we have

2099
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:52,359
even closed last year thinking? About it? Probably, not, no,

2100
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:53,439
no no.

2101
01:46:55,039 --> 01:46:57,119
Speaker 2: Do we even care about who's number three? And four

2102
01:46:57,359 --> 01:46:58,239
do we need to go down?

2103
01:46:58,279 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: The? List, MAN well i guess it becomes a conversation

2104
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:03,159
about cool bally at, that point right is do you

2105
01:47:03,199 --> 01:47:05,800
Think That trey johnson belongs? Over him or do you

2106
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:06,840
Think That? CAM why i?

2107
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 2: Do, SO yes i do, Again Again, TREY johnson i

2108
01:47:12,279 --> 01:47:15,560
don't want to. BE negative i just need to be

2109
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:20,359
Convinced before i'm getting to that point because again that

2110
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:26,079
he just compared so Similarly To jordan hawkins coming out.

2111
01:47:26,119 --> 01:47:29,119
OF college i think we're seeing some of the same

2112
01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:31,439
things where he's like a bit of. A shooter he

2113
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:35,119
doesn't really do a whole. Lot, ELSE really.

2114
01:47:36,399 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 1: I came Out Of summer league so certain he was

2115
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:40,520
just gonna light it up as a shooter IN. THE

2116
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:42,880
nba i, came, away, So Sir trey Johnson Not. Jordan.

2117
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 2: Hawk, yeah, YEAH typically, i mean AND look i hope

2118
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:52,560
so because again this is gonna, sound weird but, like

2119
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,359
again you know how IN the nba that's. Talent Level

2120
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,520
Like charles sparkley has spoken about this at length over

2121
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,680
the year since one of the few things actually agree with.

2122
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,279
Him on, he says the talent level IN, the nba

2123
01:48:03,319 --> 01:48:06,119
it's it's, So close like you'll find a guy who's

2124
01:48:06,119 --> 01:48:08,800
at the end of, the bench he's so much Closure

2125
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:12,399
to lebron that, you actually, you know realize in just

2126
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:15,680
in terms, of talent, you, know professionalism all. These things

2127
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:18,039
So what i'm trying to say here is there's a

2128
01:48:18,119 --> 01:48:21,560
fine line between, You Know jordan Hawkins And ray allen so.

2129
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:24,960
To speak and So For, trey johnson it's just about

2130
01:48:25,159 --> 01:48:28,359
hitting those marks and Becoming more ray than it is

2131
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:34,000
Becoming Less. Jordan hawkins he's six games into. His Career

2132
01:48:34,079 --> 01:48:35,840
so i'm not gonna sit here, and, say Oh He's.

2133
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,359
JORDAN hawkins i don't want to. Do THAT but i

2134
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,720
am getting some of those vibes, at times and when

2135
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:43,960
he's sitting and when, HE'S on i can Get The ray.

2136
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:47,279
Allen vibes so, it's like where does he end?

2137
01:48:47,359 --> 01:48:47,439
Speaker 1: Up?

2138
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 2: Leaning no, but yes see it sounds, Like that but

2139
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,439
you KNOW what i, Mean though like sometimes when you

2140
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:56,000
lean into a, Good shot like there have been occasions

2141
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,239
where he's taking a shot where, you're like, oh yeah

2142
01:48:59,359 --> 01:49:02,880
like it's, in rhythm everything, is aligned, you know the

2143
01:49:03,399 --> 01:49:06,119
placement of the feet just where you can see that

2144
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:08,439
ball is going in as soon as it left, his.

2145
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:13,039
FINGERTIPS right i rarely have that Feeling With, jordan hawkins,

2146
01:49:13,039 --> 01:49:15,039
for EXAMPLE like i don't know where that ball is.

2147
01:49:15,039 --> 01:49:19,399
GOING up I don't and that's the. Inconsistency Factor trey

2148
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:23,199
johnson is nineteen unless he's. Turned twenty let me just. Double,

2149
01:49:23,279 --> 01:49:26,880
check yeah he's nineteen. Years OLD so i feel really

2150
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,439
uncomfortable sitting here going, oh yeah like he's not gonna.

2151
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:32,079
BE good i just need to, see more like ask

2152
01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:35,880
me this Question About trey johnston, And, like march you.

2153
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:37,640
Speaker 1: Have anything else to add before we get out.

2154
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:41,520
Speaker 2: Of here so we've recorded for almost, two HOURS so

2155
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:42,840
i don't, think.

2156
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:46,279
Speaker 1: So no can you just tell our audience where they

2157
01:49:46,319 --> 01:49:47,479
can finde you in all the great work that.

2158
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,319
Speaker 2: You do you can find Me At, yahoo sports you

2159
01:49:50,399 --> 01:49:52,840
can find Me. At forbes you can listen to me

2160
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:56,199
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2161
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:59,520
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2162
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:02,159
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2163
01:50:02,279 --> 01:50:03,000
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2164
01:50:03,319 --> 01:50:07,359
Speaker 1: Hbo nets until, next time and, as always, with you

2165
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,359
with the shout out to, the one, the only the

2166
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:12,560
real true breakout star in our hearts of, all Time

2167
01:50:13,279 --> 01:50:13,840
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