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<v Speaker 1>And nine Ignition Ship five four three two one zero

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<v Speaker 1>All engine running.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Wednesday. You know what that means. It's time for

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<v Speaker 2>Ignition With the aw Fan Hubb podcast team. This is

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<v Speaker 2>Kelson and guys. We had an interesting week in aw

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<v Speaker 2>really and beginning with Kyle Fletcher winning the TNT Championship

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<v Speaker 2>against Dustin Rhodes, who announced these having two knee replacements

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<v Speaker 2>going under the knife on August twenty first, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was still able to put on a five star match.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what Meltzer gave this match was five stars.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, what did you think of this match?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you think it will deserve five stars?

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely? Definitely I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree with that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, at one point they pore thumbtacks down I

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<v Speaker 4>think it was Kyle Fletcher's pants or tight whatever, and

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<v Speaker 4>did shatter dreams.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I think sky Blue had to go in there

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<v Speaker 5>and fish them out, probably, but uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle Fletcher actually posted a picture of a thumbtack, a

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<v Speaker 2>bent thumbtack on his like on his index finger and

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<v Speaker 2>uh and with the caption guess where this one came from?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy? Anyway, Yeah, I maybe I don't mean any

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<v Speaker 2>disrespect by this. I maybe would not have given this

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<v Speaker 2>one a five star match, but it would have been

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<v Speaker 2>easily a four and a half.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah it was good. Yeah, I think five star match

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<v Speaker 5>should be more of a higher rating.

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<v Speaker 3>Than what Melter does some time. But it was a

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<v Speaker 3>good match.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it really was. Barry, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>of a match?

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<v Speaker 6>I enjoyed it a lot. Dave's ratings like people get

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<v Speaker 6>too hung up on the five star. His whole thing

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<v Speaker 6>is really the barrier of a great match is the

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<v Speaker 6>four star, and like, once you're above four star, it's

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<v Speaker 6>all just subjectivity, Like he'll always go if you think

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<v Speaker 6>it's above a four star, then we agree, And I

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<v Speaker 6>think he's right. I enjoyed the match a lot. It's

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<v Speaker 6>not always my cup of tea, so I kind of

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<v Speaker 6>don't think they're five stars just because it's not my jam.

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<v Speaker 6>It is for somebody else. I'm not gonna disagree with it,

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<v Speaker 6>but I enjoyed it. I thought I told a great story.

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<v Speaker 6>Dustin is one of the performers on the roster that

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<v Speaker 6>always has the believable underdog match. Like you put in

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of performers and you know the underdogs is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>they're going to a couple spots, but there's some way

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<v Speaker 6>that Dustin just brings in a level of emotion into

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<v Speaker 6>his matches. It's hard to articulate like what that feels like,

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<v Speaker 6>but I think everybody understands, like you root for him

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<v Speaker 6>in a way you don't for the other underdogs, which

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<v Speaker 6>is what makes some of these matches even more special.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Well, let's look at Kyle Fletcher. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>now he is the TNT champion. Do you see I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of when I look at Kyle Fletcher as the

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<v Speaker 2>TNT champion, I look at him as Okay, we've got

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that can give us championship matches with this belt.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you guys feel the same way?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, he's a He's one of the better performers

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<v Speaker 5>out there right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Young talented can go on the MIC.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's a aw world champion.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure, I do too.

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<v Speaker 4>I would I think he should be world champion. I

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<v Speaker 4>would say probably by the end of next year, if

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<v Speaker 4>not early twenty twenty seven. That's my prediction. But I've

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<v Speaker 4>been a long time Kyle Fletcher fan. I think he

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<v Speaker 4>really came into his element during the I'm or not

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<v Speaker 4>m Jeff during the Will Osprey feud, although I did

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<v Speaker 4>like what he did during the Osprey m Jaff feud,

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<v Speaker 4>so I guess to a certain extent m Jaff helped

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<v Speaker 4>him there. But you know what I'm trying to say, hopefully, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me ask you guys this, with Kyle Fletcher's

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<v Speaker 2>the T and T champion, I mean he's he he's

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<v Speaker 2>more of an upper big card guy to me right now,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, meaning that I don't mean that in any

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<v Speaker 2>way disrespectfully. You know, some of you may think he's

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<v Speaker 2>an upper card back guy, and I will not argue that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying for me, he's an upper mid card guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you think that there's a possibility with him

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<v Speaker 2>being the T and T champion that we may see

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<v Speaker 2>some of these upper card guys challenging him for the

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<v Speaker 2>T and T championship? Meaning, do you think we may

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<v Speaker 2>see somebody like swear Strickland, Will Osprey, Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Kazuko Kata even if he loses the belt, you know eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do you see that happening with Kyle Fletcher?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, right now we're getting swear Strickland versus Kaa. So

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<v Speaker 4>those two are kind of out of the mix, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Also talking about right now, I'm talking about it in

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<v Speaker 2>in the upcoming months, like like toward like by the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year, like look at full gear or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem. The problem there is Okada is a heel.

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<v Speaker 4>Osprey is a heel. So I can't see them doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>He no, I'm I said, Okada.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, don't take him literally as the face heel. Just

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<v Speaker 6>I think Kelson, you're getting out of a class of

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<v Speaker 6>performers that we may have not considered going for that

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<v Speaker 6>belt in the past, and I don't think so. And

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<v Speaker 6>the reason why is because of how they've established the

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<v Speaker 6>what is it the heavyweight title, the second one that

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<v Speaker 6>has is that what it's called? Yeah, So they've long

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<v Speaker 6>looked at that as like the one B title, and

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<v Speaker 6>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>That international championship a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they championship. Go ahead, Barry.

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<v Speaker 6>I think with that being the one A and the

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<v Speaker 6>one BET title, that's where you circle that tier of

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<v Speaker 6>folks that you're kind of getting at. And and sort

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<v Speaker 6>of the ambiguity about where the continental title slotted in

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<v Speaker 6>because you had the international title too, made that whole

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<v Speaker 6>section of performers kind of cloudy. The TNT title for

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<v Speaker 6>a very long period of time was the showcase of

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<v Speaker 6>the mid cart. That that is the launching pad for

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<v Speaker 6>guys to go to that next step. There was a

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<v Speaker 6>period when when Copeland had it and like Cody at

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<v Speaker 6>it back in the day, and there's been a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of major guys that have toyed around with it. But

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<v Speaker 6>that belt, that belt is the launch pad for Kyle

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<v Speaker 6>Fletcher's to get to that upper card. I remember when

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<v Speaker 6>I first saw Kyle and started to take note to

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<v Speaker 6>him when he was the Ring of Honor TV champ.

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<v Speaker 6>I think after this, after Mark Davis was injured and

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<v Speaker 6>we saw him performing, I'm like, this kid's got it.

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<v Speaker 6>He's got that it factor. He's just got a couple

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<v Speaker 6>of things he's got to pull together. And I'm glad

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<v Speaker 6>they got gold around him now, aw Gold. Kyle Fletcher

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<v Speaker 6>is one of those young guys that you can build

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<v Speaker 6>this promotion around with. Swerve hangman, mjf Fletcher. You got

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<v Speaker 6>Brody in there. You got a bunch of young guys

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<v Speaker 6>that are super athletic and they've got years on their

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<v Speaker 6>career and like he's ready. Kelson, I think clammed you're

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<v Speaker 6>you're not off off that in a year and a

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<v Speaker 6>half to two years he will be in that main

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<v Speaker 6>event scene, maybe for that top title.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you guys will agree with me

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<v Speaker 2>or not on this, but when I look at Kyle Fletcher,

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<v Speaker 2>as young as he is, I think he is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best in a w in in ring storytelling.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, where's his weaknesses? Even on the mic? Like where

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<v Speaker 6>where is he? Where is he weak? As a performer?

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<v Speaker 6>He's good looking, he's got a great move set, knows

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<v Speaker 6>how to work high flying and a hard hitting style

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<v Speaker 6>and adjustice to who he's in there with. He's good

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<v Speaker 6>on the mic, Like where is the weak spot? Like,

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<v Speaker 6>if you're building a prototypical star performer in his early twenties,

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<v Speaker 6>what do you add to Kyle Fletcher he doesn't have.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you look at Kyle Fletcher as the same kind

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<v Speaker 2>of star quality as maybe an MJF as far as

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<v Speaker 2>like the young guy?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, but can he reminds me? Yeah, he reminds

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<v Speaker 6>me of lot of the Run when when and I

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<v Speaker 6>know people compare him to this because of the shape

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<v Speaker 6>dead but like look at Orton's early career, that's the

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<v Speaker 6>kind of vibes I get from Fletcher right now.

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<v Speaker 5>Right now, I'd say he's better than MJF. I've I

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<v Speaker 5>posted a while back. I'm kind of growing tired of

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<v Speaker 5>MJF and the same prompts he always uses and stuff

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<v Speaker 5>he needs to edge himself back up.

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<v Speaker 3>Whereas Fletcher is good.

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<v Speaker 5>He doesn't have to use a low hanging fruit and

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<v Speaker 5>stuff time after time, and he's going to be somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he'll surpass MJF.

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<v Speaker 4>In my opinion, I cannot wait to be in the

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<v Speaker 4>building for MJF versus Mark Brisco in ways essentially a

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<v Speaker 4>number one contenders match.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, look, speaking of MJF. On Friday, MGF

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<v Speaker 2>beata Verno in CMLL at Grena, Mexico to become the

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<v Speaker 2>CMLL Light Heavyweight Champion, which is basically their heavyweight champion.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't I don't think they have a heavyweight division.

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<v Speaker 2>I may be wrong there, but that's the big belt.

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<v Speaker 2>So now we have MGF is the CMLL champion, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just call him that, the CML champion. We've got him

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<v Speaker 2>having some difficulties with the Hurt Syndicate, particularly Bobby Lashley,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you have, of course, you have his ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>feud with Mystico. He is going to be defending the

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember who he's defending it against, but he

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<v Speaker 2>is defending the CMLL Championship. And I think next week

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<v Speaker 2>welcome Jess. So you know, Rawlins had already broke get

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<v Speaker 2>hit a little bit on this. But how do we

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<v Speaker 2>feel about MGF here? I mean, he's got the CNLO Championship,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a built in feud with Misticico, he's got

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<v Speaker 2>a feud going on, maybe with the Hurt Syndicate. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you guys feel feel about this?

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<v Speaker 4>I think the whole Hurt Syndicate thing is a complete

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<v Speaker 4>and total ruse and he's gonna use it to bait

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<v Speaker 4>Hangman into a match, probably all out, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna go from there.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't believe that MJF is actually out of the

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<v Speaker 4>Hurt Syndicate.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know why he was putting in the first place.

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<v Speaker 5>It's kind of an odd, oddball situation. He didn't match

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<v Speaker 5>the style just because he's friends with MVP. He didn't

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<v Speaker 5>really match. I think they're going to cough him the

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<v Speaker 5>title and that'll be his downfall. And MJF had crawls

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<v Speaker 5>the way back up.

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<v Speaker 4>We can show either way.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that just in my car said, to show

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<v Speaker 2>your way? Yeah, we can't understand you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can go anyway. I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you understood her. I couldn't understand what she was saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I couldn't really understand. But it is interesting to

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<v Speaker 4>me that there they seem to be going in the

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<v Speaker 4>direction of an m JF Hangman feud right away. I

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<v Speaker 4>thought they would save that for later in Hangman's title reign,

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<v Speaker 4>since the the presumptive thought anyway, is that it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be MJF who takes the belt off of Hangman.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that they're this, like they're kind of leaning

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<v Speaker 4>into this story, I guess right away is very surprising

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<v Speaker 4>to me. Granted I'm enjoying it, so I'm not I

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<v Speaker 4>don't have an issue with it, but it's not the

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<v Speaker 4>direction I was expecting them to go, If that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very well. I want to ask you a question,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course you can come up with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>feel free to you know, chime in with that too,

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<v Speaker 2>but specifically, the question is, yeah, it does seem would

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<v Speaker 2>you agree it's a multipart question. Would you agree that

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<v Speaker 2>MGF is being groomed I guess for a future feud

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<v Speaker 2>with Hangman, Adam Paige and I kind of right now,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's too soon for something like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think Page needs to have a feud with

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<v Speaker 2>a less prominent I don't know how to put it,

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<v Speaker 2>just to establish himself as world champion more. But do

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<v Speaker 2>you see MJF actually taking the belt off of Hangman

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<v Speaker 2>out of Page. Let's say, if this match happens later

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<v Speaker 2>in the year, like at Full Gear or World's End.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it's too hard for me to get a

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<v Speaker 6>feel on what direction they're going, if it's going to

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<v Speaker 6>be MGF or somebody else. Looking at my preference for booking,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think MGF is the right guy to take it.

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<v Speaker 6>But there's a completely valid way you could create a

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<v Speaker 6>story where that does make sense. Just to me right now,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't see it. What I what I look at

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<v Speaker 6>for this storyline is if we look at before Hanger

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<v Speaker 6>bought the belt, they were lining up challengers for that title.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody wanted that title. So we've talked about it. Kenny

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<v Speaker 6>talked about it, MJF talked about it. Hangman, everybody was

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<v Speaker 6>gunning for that belt. So having MJFF another top star

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<v Speaker 6>lined up right out of the gate. After Hangman got

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<v Speaker 6>the former champ, so he's already got a significant win

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<v Speaker 6>under his belt. Having another former champion there you want

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<v Speaker 6>to run a program with in three or four months,

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<v Speaker 6>give him another win. I Thinkkelson, it was you that

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<v Speaker 6>said you want to establish a better run. These guys

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<v Speaker 6>don't need to trade the title in their first match.

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<v Speaker 6>MJF is clearly angling for a valid number ones contender

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<v Speaker 6>spot that Hanger told him he's going to have to

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<v Speaker 6>I see this playing out, and I think Clam's you're

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<v Speaker 6>the one that mentioned it. I don't know if he's

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<v Speaker 6>out of the hurt syndicator. This is some agreement they've got.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll see where that story goes. I also want to

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<v Speaker 6>be upset up they killed it because fans weren't too

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<v Speaker 6>into it. Responding to fan interactions cool as well, but

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<v Speaker 6>I could see this going where Max gets his first

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<v Speaker 6>title shot. Kelson loses, so there's another top former champion.

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<v Speaker 6>Hangman has a big win over which really establishes a

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<v Speaker 6>title reign, and then he can cash in a few

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<v Speaker 6>months later after we've already forgotten about it, or opportunistically

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<v Speaker 6>at a pay per viewer or whoever it makes sense

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<v Speaker 6>going forward. He still doesn't need to win it then,

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<v Speaker 6>but the max character winning a title bout in a

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<v Speaker 6>schemy way down the line, if that's how they're going

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<v Speaker 6>to give it to him and take it off, Hangman

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<v Speaker 6>feels a lot more in character than him winning a

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<v Speaker 6>legitimate number one you know, earning a number one contender

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<v Speaker 6>spot at a pay per viewer or whatever and having

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<v Speaker 6>a straight up match. He needs to win in some

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<v Speaker 6>scheming way, and if he stays in the hurt syndicit

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<v Speaker 6>or it's a ruse to Clam's point, that's the scheming

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<v Speaker 6>way he does it down the line. So we'll see

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<v Speaker 6>how it belds out. There's a lot of ways they

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<v Speaker 6>can go. Like Jess said, I'm open minded right now.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't really see any troubled waters. But you can

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<v Speaker 6>make some mistakes pretty quick and ruin a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>your options too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I mean, look, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't whatever happens, I don't think anything that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen between We'll put it this way, anything significant is

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen between MJF and Hangman Adam Page until

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<v Speaker 2>the CMOLL World Championship thing is taken care of, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>agree the eventual match with the to go.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean it funds like the stuff to keep him

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<v Speaker 6>busy right now until they it's time to do the

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<v Speaker 6>actual storylines. Like, he's got a lot going on. To

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<v Speaker 6>your point, Kelson, he's got too much going on to

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<v Speaker 6>focus on the title shot at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't be surprised if they do the MJFF Mystico

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<v Speaker 4>match at Forbidden Door.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's possible.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the only thing about that rollins is CMLL is

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<v Speaker 2>the oldest wrestling company in the world, and after Forbidden

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<v Speaker 2>Door they're celebrating their ninety second anniversary with an ninety

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<v Speaker 2>second anniversary show. I kind of think that MGFF and

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<v Speaker 2>Mystico is custom built for main eventing that show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can see that too.

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<v Speaker 5>I think king Man needs to find a good uh

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<v Speaker 5>New japan wrestler to go against for uh Forbidden Door.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know the roster real well, but uh, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>the guy who's uh the last match, but I don't

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know his.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hiroshi tana Hashi. He's actually the president of New

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<v Speaker 2>Japan now and he's on his retirement tour. He has

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<v Speaker 2>no knees.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>He's wrestled in Forbidden Door before, and you know, frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>he's struggling. I mean, he's a great wrestler, but he

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<v Speaker 2>just can't do a match. And putting tana Hashi when

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<v Speaker 2>he was in his prime against Hangman Adam Paige. Hell, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>having Tanahashi against Hangman Adam Page right now is just

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<v Speaker 2>not realistic.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I just he needs

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<v Speaker 5>to keep on building up his I will sat back

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<v Speaker 5>from what I said a while ago that I was

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<v Speaker 5>that I didn't want one more match between Moxley and

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<v Speaker 5>Adam Page because that meant was what Moxley should have

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<v Speaker 5>been doing against the whole time, and that Moxley and

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<v Speaker 5>Hangman match was actually very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess I had I really honestly had no

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<v Speaker 2>interest in that match because you knew that there was

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<v Speaker 2>no way that Moxley was going to win that match,

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<v Speaker 2>and if he did, it would have been like the

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<v Speaker 2>worst thing AW has ever done in their history. So

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<v Speaker 2>we knew that they were that Hangman wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>lose the belt there, and it was one of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. One of the problems that I have with

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<v Speaker 2>a W and their booking right now is, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is being overly critical, but I really do feel this

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<v Speaker 2>way in that they booked matches not for the matt

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<v Speaker 2>but for what's gonna happen at the end of the matches.

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<v Speaker 4>I have no problem with that though, Dude Kelson, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I like that all in we got the return of

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<v Speaker 4>Darby Allen and we got the return of Brian Daniels said,

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<v Speaker 4>although it's interesting that Danielson hasn't been featured on any

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<v Speaker 4>of the Dynamites since then.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, he's not back. That's why. That's that's why

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<v Speaker 6>they don't follow up on those things. Those are like

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<v Speaker 6>one offs. He's not. He doesn't want anybody to think

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<v Speaker 6>that he's coming back to do stuff because he's not.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly, but yell like, I enjoy that they're going

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<v Speaker 4>straight into this John Moxleygue Darby Allen feud, which by

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<v Speaker 4>the way. I hope they hold it off until all out.

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<v Speaker 4>What I would do at Forbidden Doors like a six

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<v Speaker 4>man tag team match of some sort like Death Riders

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, you have Bullet Club war Dogs sitting right there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's really all that New Japan has, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So there's not that many I mean gay kids injured.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's going to be back in time,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. It's the big names are Bullet Club war

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so I look at some the matchups here, And

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<v Speaker 6>to kind of follow up on your point about the

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<v Speaker 6>the Mox Hangman rematch, that match was a couple things.

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<v Speaker 6>One it was it was to just confirm to fans, listen,

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<v Speaker 6>we're not we know what we're doing at this point,

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<v Speaker 6>and we're just going to reiterate this by having Hangar

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<v Speaker 6>go over Mox again. But two, it was just it

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<v Speaker 6>was a way to do something cool on TV. They

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<v Speaker 6>don't do title matches often on free TV. It's pretty rare.

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<v Speaker 6>They certainly don't do them that fast and with that

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<v Speaker 6>short of a build up. But it made sense. Of

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<v Speaker 6>course Max will want it back, and I think to

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<v Speaker 6>your point Kelson. It was to just remind folks, listen,

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<v Speaker 6>we got a vision where we're going and it's away

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<v Speaker 6>from death writers being in that, and they reiterated it

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<v Speaker 6>by having Darby to to the point that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>we see that's where the next few it's going to be,

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<v Speaker 6>and it makes sense they threw him down the stairs.

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<v Speaker 6>I think Hangar needs needs a new Japan guy. There's

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<v Speaker 6>a bunch of folks you know, now that The g

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<v Speaker 6>One is kind of wrapping up, that'll show up. But

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<v Speaker 6>you don't need to promote Forbidden Doors. It's a non

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<v Speaker 6>canon pay per view. They'll have a couple of cannon matches,

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<v Speaker 6>but it's it's just fun matches with some new Japan folks.

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<v Speaker 6>So you can you can put them up against the

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<v Speaker 6>Yoda Suji or u u Are you know, you can

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<v Speaker 6>plug him in against a show to Umino or should

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<v Speaker 6>go to Kagi Zach Saber Junior's voting out there. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not sure who's going to be in the finals for

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<v Speaker 6>the g One, but there's plenty of top names. You know.

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<v Speaker 6>Takeshta's over there, he's one of the he's doing real well.

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<v Speaker 6>I know he's not a new Japan full timer, but

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<v Speaker 6>he's not even around. He was the other young guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Couldn't think of earlier there the six that they're building around.

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<v Speaker 6>By the way, we got plenty of guys from there

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<v Speaker 6>they can plug in the The for Ben Door shows

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<v Speaker 6>very rarely of long builds. The important matches are the

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<v Speaker 6>actual AW matches that are cannon. We're getting those, and

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it'll be what it is to your point, Kelson,

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<v Speaker 6>and we'll get past for beIN Door season and get

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<v Speaker 6>focused on the building for all Out and go from there.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm excited to be at Dynamite on the road to

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<v Speaker 4>Forbidding Door because usually when Cleveland gets an episode of

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<v Speaker 4>AW Dynamite, it's either been on the road to all

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<v Speaker 4>Out or it's been on the road to full gear.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's a little bit something different. I'm hoping that maybe,

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<v Speaker 4>just maybe, even though I'm not too familiar with new

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<v Speaker 4>Japan talent, I'm hoping that maybe, just maybe we get

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<v Speaker 4>some new Japan people and we can really start to

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<v Speaker 4>kick up some of this new Japan stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Case we are going to get some CML al and.

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<v Speaker 4>Stardom people in the show, not at Dynamite, but at

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<v Speaker 4>Forbidden Door because they announced that there's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 4>fatal four way for the TBS Championship Mercedes Monette against

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<v Speaker 4>an a W person which will be determined tomorrow against

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<v Speaker 4>or on tonight, however, against the CMLL person against a

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<v Speaker 2>Let's well, let's talk about that match. Dynamite featuring Ple Dominada,

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<v Speaker 2>Sky Blue, Alex Windsor, and Billy Starks. They are vying

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<v Speaker 2>tonight for the right to face Mercedes Monet at Forbidden

420
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Door in the in the fatal four way. The rawlins

421
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.960
<v Speaker 2>sus mentioned, who do you guys have in this match?

422
00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I have my old dots, but I want to hear

423
00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:00.880
<v Speaker 2>what you guys think.

424
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:02.559
<v Speaker 3>I think it's Windsor.

425
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.519
<v Speaker 5>We've seen a lot of other people and and she's

426
00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:09.319
<v Speaker 5>been involved, She's been on TV more so I think

427
00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:11.160
<v Speaker 5>that's why they're leaning towards putting her.

428
00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:16.759
<v Speaker 2>Over Okay, anybody else with a pick on this match.

429
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:21.480
<v Speaker 4>I can actually see it being Billy Starks because they're

430
00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:25.839
<v Speaker 4>leading very heavily in tech Athena going after the a

431
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:30.519
<v Speaker 4>W Women's World Championship, So why not have Billy Starks

432
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 4>go after the TBS Championship.

433
00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, just I did in chat with winsor Uh, that's

434
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:42.480
<v Speaker 2>who I'm going with, is winsor what about? What about

435
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:43.200
<v Speaker 2>anybody else?

436
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.839
<v Speaker 6>So this is the the match on Wednesday is the

437
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.880
<v Speaker 6>qualifier for one of the four ways.

438
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, it's for qualify for the four way, Yes, exactly, Yeah, I.

439
00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:02.440
<v Speaker 6>Think I think I think Windsa is she needs to

440
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 6>say that after big moves like that needs to be

441
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.039
<v Speaker 6>a thing like Adam colebaby. I don't think they're maximizing

442
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.319
<v Speaker 6>on that enough or capitalizing on that enough. But looking

443
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.799
<v Speaker 6>at that added, I think it's either Windsor or Amanada.

444
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 6>I can see either of those With Sky being in

445
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:19.519
<v Speaker 6>the match. You've got that built in techla interference and

446
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:21.519
<v Speaker 6>I'm Manada to take them out and then that could

447
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:24.519
<v Speaker 6>give it Windsor the win over Billy or There's a

448
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:26.240
<v Speaker 6>lot of ways they can book the finish for that.

449
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.960
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, if we're if we're bringing in Windsor and

450
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:30.880
<v Speaker 6>want to establish her as a as an upper mid

451
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.079
<v Speaker 6>car women, uh female on the roster, you got to

452
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:35.880
<v Speaker 6>keep her strong and this is a match to put

453
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:36.640
<v Speaker 6>her over in to do.

454
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:39.240
<v Speaker 2>I kind of think that Billy starts us in this

455
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:42.559
<v Speaker 2>match to eat the pin. That's that's the way.

456
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:48.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I agree, I bet I get that. But I'm

457
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:55.480
<v Speaker 4>just like, if they want to establish Athena and Billy

458
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 4>Starts as like a dominant I don't want to say

459
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:05.359
<v Speaker 4>fashion but dominant and dynamic duo, why not have Athena

460
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:08.480
<v Speaker 4>go after the a W Women's World Championship and have

461
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.240
<v Speaker 4>Billy Starts go after the TBS Championship.

462
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:13.039
<v Speaker 2>It makes sense to.

463
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 6>Me they are She's just literally going after They are

464
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:21.519
<v Speaker 6>literally going after the major, the women the world title

465
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:24.559
<v Speaker 6>and the TVs Championship. Billy's going after the TVs title,

466
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.200
<v Speaker 6>trying to qualify for it. Athena is fighting for the

467
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.039
<v Speaker 6>world title, so they're trying.

468
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:33.720
<v Speaker 4>That and that's why I'm saying I think Billy should

469
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:35.160
<v Speaker 4>win this match.

470
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 6>She's yeah, she's not there yet. She's she is a

471
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:43.519
<v Speaker 6>minion like her Her role on the roster right now

472
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:48.720
<v Speaker 6>as they're building her is that Tody and on the

473
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:52.480
<v Speaker 6>long enough storyline, when they're ready to push her, she

474
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.319
<v Speaker 6>will follow the same template we've seen with these pairings.

475
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:59.000
<v Speaker 6>She will get the win over her quote unquote master

476
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:01.960
<v Speaker 6>and then we'll see if she's successful on a singles run.

477
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:04.519
<v Speaker 6>Like that's her role. Whoever said she's there to eat

478
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:07.240
<v Speaker 6>the pin like, that's her position on the card. That's

479
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 6>what her job is right now, and she's going to

480
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:10.839
<v Speaker 6>do it great. She's going to look great. She's going

481
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 6>to be a blast out there, and we're going to

482
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.400
<v Speaker 6>continue to become a fan of hers because when they

483
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.000
<v Speaker 6>pull the trigger and she turns on Athena when the

484
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:20.559
<v Speaker 6>time is right, it's going to be great, and she's

485
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:22.279
<v Speaker 6>going to be a big time babyface and we're going

486
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.039
<v Speaker 6>to love her, and she's going to run for titles

487
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 6>and win some and it's going to be a blast.

488
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 6>It's just that right now, It's just not right now,

489
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 6>that's all.

490
00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 2>Now. If you remember correctly that Mercedes Monette won the

491
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>CMLL titled by beating Zuxies, who was injured, and that's

492
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.319
<v Speaker 2>basically why the title changed hands there.

493
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:44.599
<v Speaker 6>Oh, I well know that.

494
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, So when I don't know if if Zeuxis

495
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 2>is back and ready to challenge in this fatal four

496
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 2>way forbidden door. Here's the thing. Neither CMLL or Stardom

497
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.319
<v Speaker 2>announced that they're doing a four way qualifier. They may

498
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>just appoint somebody to go in there. Now. I mean,

499
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:12.079
<v Speaker 2>for CMLL, you have Zeuxis, who makes the most sense

500
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 2>because she was the former CMLL champion, so putting her

501
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:21.319
<v Speaker 2>in a match with Mercedes Monet makes most sense. But

502
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.599
<v Speaker 2>again I don't know if she's available or not. Then

503
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>you have red isis Persephone La Catalina. Those are really

504
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.160
<v Speaker 2>the four that I can think of from CML. Now

505
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 2>with Stardom, Remember you have New Japan doing their G

506
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 2>one Climax, but you also have Stardom doing their Five

507
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Star GP. Now, even though the Five Star GP, the

508
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.279
<v Speaker 2>finals of the Five Star GP are on August twenty third,

509
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:58.400
<v Speaker 2>which is the day before Forbidden Door, some of the

510
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:02.079
<v Speaker 2>wrestlers who are in the Fire Star GP are already

511
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:10.599
<v Speaker 2>booked for a event on the twenty fourth that's being

512
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 2>held by Sentai Girls. So so you saw immediately you

513
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:23.079
<v Speaker 2>take out of out of those available, Hazuki that's a boy,

514
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Starlight Kid and Sire are automatically out of it. Again,

515
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know whether CMLL are doing a four way

516
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:35.079
<v Speaker 2>qualifier like AW is doing. They may just appoint somebody

517
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:38.319
<v Speaker 2>to be they're the number our number one contender for

518
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:44.480
<v Speaker 2>this title. Sure he is on her way back, she's

519
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.920
<v Speaker 2>she's rehabbing, she's working out that elbow. I don't know

520
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 2>if you guys saw the picture of the crap that

521
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.680
<v Speaker 2>got taken out of her elbow, but it wasn't nice.

522
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.960
<v Speaker 7>It was really gross. Also I'm home.

523
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:05.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly. Uh so maybe they have sureI come in.

524
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:09.240
<v Speaker 2>But you know there's another one that makes sense. It's

525
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>a Zumi. Remember it was a Zuomie who took the

526
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.319
<v Speaker 2>well did pin Mercedes, but took that New Japan Strong

527
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Champion Championship off of her. So with Zoupsies and azm

528
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>you do have two women there that makes sense. But

529
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 2>are they available? That's the problem.

530
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.759
<v Speaker 5>Do you think it's possible for Alex Winza to take

531
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.240
<v Speaker 5>the south Side Championship off of Mercedes?

532
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:50.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, the Southside Championship is combined with the it's like

533
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:54.480
<v Speaker 2>a unified championship with the Red Pro Women's Championship that

534
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Mercedes has. So if if they fight for in other words,

535
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:03.160
<v Speaker 2>if they haven't match for the Repro Championship at windsor Wins,

536
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 2>it would be winsor with the Repro Women's Championship and

537
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 2>the Queen of Southside Championship, it's two belts in one.

538
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:22.759
<v Speaker 2>So so yeah, that's that. Uh you know, look, I

539
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.160
<v Speaker 2>mean Mercedes Monet is going to be out on the

540
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>h on the show tonight. She's appearing live at Dynamite,

541
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.759
<v Speaker 2>and there's a very good chance that somebody's gonna interrupt,

542
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:40.079
<v Speaker 2>whether it's from AW or maybe from CMLL, maybe from stardom.

543
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 2>You never know. There could be a video package up

544
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.960
<v Speaker 2>on the big screen, you know, saying hey, I'm coming

545
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>after you. I'm at Forbidden Door. So that's something of

546
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>interest to look at tomorrow night or Dynamite tonight. I

547
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I have my days and yeah, yeah, so

548
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:11.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, but you know, look at Forbidden Door. You know,

549
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of an interesting thing because I may

550
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.559
<v Speaker 2>be wrong, but people tell me that I'm not, and

551
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 2>that this is the first mention of CMLL and started

552
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.799
<v Speaker 2>appearing at Forbidden Door. It's only been advertised as New

553
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 2>Japan and a wh So this match means that there

554
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:32.400
<v Speaker 2>is going to be CMLL AND starting at Forbidden Door.

555
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>We know Hiroshi Tanahashi is going to have a match

556
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>at Forbidden Door. But the question is is that Okay,

557
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.240
<v Speaker 2>so we've got these two matches, is there enough Forbidden Door?

558
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:47.960
<v Speaker 2>At Forbidden Door? And do you see I mean somebody

559
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it was Rollins brought up I think uh,

560
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Mistico and MGF at Forbidden Door. Maybe, but again, like

561
00:33:56.200 --> 00:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I said, you have the anniversary for CMLL coming out.

562
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe they have a matchup Forbidden Door and have

563
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.240
<v Speaker 2>a rematch it Garita Mexico.

564
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:09.159
<v Speaker 3>You know.

565
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.800
<v Speaker 2>So, but it kind of doesn't seem like there's a

566
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 2>whole heck of a lot going on with Forbidden Door

567
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.119
<v Speaker 2>being Forbidden Door right now. Are you guys noticing this?

568
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:23.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've mentioned definitely, and it seems I think it's

569
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:27.519
<v Speaker 4>because we've got the g One climax going on when

570
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.280
<v Speaker 4>a live the New Japan people are tied up with that,

571
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.679
<v Speaker 4>so it's just bad timing in terms of wing Forbidden

572
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:41.280
<v Speaker 4>Door is happening. Hopefully as the g One winds down,

573
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 4>some of them can come over and we can get

574
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.679
<v Speaker 4>like six man tag team matches and other crazy things.

575
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:50.559
<v Speaker 3>You know.

576
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, look, Rollins, I mean, it's obvious. Maybe

577
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:59.719
<v Speaker 2>they're not putting people into Forbidden Door meaning New Japan,

578
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>because they don't want to give away the finals of

579
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.599
<v Speaker 2>the g One Climax. That makes sense. You know, they're

580
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.440
<v Speaker 2>waiting maybe another week or so until somebody has been

581
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:12.800
<v Speaker 2>mathematically eliminated.

582
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:18.199
<v Speaker 3>This is go ahead, Okay, Yeah, I could see that.

583
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 5>Plus, it's a lot to travel with people back and forth,

584
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:23.519
<v Speaker 5>and you don't want to wear anybody out as well.

585
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:25.480
<v Speaker 5>I think it's an ill time pay per view. They

586
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.119
<v Speaker 5>should have waited and maybe switched all out with.

587
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:29.920
<v Speaker 2>That.

588
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.840
<v Speaker 3>But it's Tony's choice. But we'll see what happens.

589
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.199
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, really bad timing this year. I know it's just

590
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 6>in general the summer is g one season, so it's

591
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.960
<v Speaker 6>kind of hard to pick it. But I feel like Kelson,

592
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.280
<v Speaker 6>we've had this, not literally you and I, but fans.

593
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:51.239
<v Speaker 6>We've had this conversation about Forbidden Door a couple of

594
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 6>times already that it just seems like the build for

595
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.480
<v Speaker 6>it only occurs in like the last two weeks, two

596
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.119
<v Speaker 6>and a half weeks outside of the AW versus is

597
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:03.760
<v Speaker 6>AW matches. I could be wrong here, but I think

598
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.280
<v Speaker 6>I remember last year the only matches we knew like

599
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.000
<v Speaker 6>three weeks out were the AW versus AW matches. I

600
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 6>think there was a title match on the show and

601
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:12.840
<v Speaker 6>everything else didn't get filled in until two or three

602
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:13.599
<v Speaker 6>weeks before.

603
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but what happened though? What happened though? I'm sorry, Barry,

604
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, No, it's okay.

605
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 6>I don't like that style, but like whatever, Like I said,

606
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:26.039
<v Speaker 6>it's a non cannon show. They're continuing the major storylines

607
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 6>that are important in aw TV, and that's all I

608
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 6>really care about, goh.

609
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Keilson, That's exactly what I carry but care about as well.

610
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.800
<v Speaker 2>The previous builds toward Forbidden Door. You're right, and that

611
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:41.119
<v Speaker 2>maybe they didn't create matches. You know, they did create

612
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 2>some matches, but not all the matches until two weeks

613
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.880
<v Speaker 2>three weeks before. But what they did is they trotted

614
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 2>out all these Japanese you know, new japan wrestlers to

615
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:56.280
<v Speaker 2>come out and do trios matches that were absolutely meaningless.

616
00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, they had the tag matches, multimn matches were meaningless.

617
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.320
<v Speaker 2>And as I've said before, the first three Forbidden Doors

618
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 2>frustrated me horribly because I thought that I called them

619
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.239
<v Speaker 2>the great momentum killers. I don't feel this way this year.

620
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that they've handled This is the best build

621
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:22.800
<v Speaker 2>to Forbidden Door that a W has ever had, simply

622
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:28.840
<v Speaker 2>because they're not throwing AW isn't throwing their storylines under

623
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 2>the bus two, you know, to promote Forbidden Door, which

624
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:39.079
<v Speaker 2>is again and you know, I hate sounding like I'm negative,

625
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:45.440
<v Speaker 2>but Forbidden Door essentially is a cool h You're right,

626
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 2>you know it's cool. It's a cool it's it's about

627
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:50.440
<v Speaker 2>all the belts.

628
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:52.199
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's.

629
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.039
<v Speaker 2>It's meaningless.

630
00:37:58.079 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

631
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.400
<v Speaker 7>I I kind of haven't read idea and feel free

632
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 7>to disagree with me because I'm not even sold on.

633
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Its agree with you. I disagree with you already. What

634
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 2>else is new? No?

635
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 7>No, Basically, like, as we've mentioned in the past couple

636
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 7>of weeks, the original purpose of Forbidden Door was to

637
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:26.159
<v Speaker 7>set up like Amazing dream matches, but all the dream

638
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:29.039
<v Speaker 7>match all the dream Matches are can be made with

639
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 7>people who are already in ae W. So maybe like

640
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.559
<v Speaker 7>Forbidden Door as it is, with the well sort of

641
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 7>having run dry, sort of run its course. I mean

642
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.800
<v Speaker 7>you can still do like New Japan and stardom crossover

643
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 7>stuff that why not do it at Wrestle Dream and

644
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 7>reform Big Door to something else.

645
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think a lot of us are kind of

646
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.880
<v Speaker 6>circling the same general idea. Like I've used the term

647
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 6>the show's non canon, Kelson's used the term momentum killer

648
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 6>just is now saying completely, you know, change the focus

649
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 6>of the shows. I think the purpose of Forbidden Door

650
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:11.320
<v Speaker 6>now that the aw fan base is comfortable and understands

651
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:16.239
<v Speaker 6>AW works with New Japan and CMLL talent all year now, right,

652
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:18.800
<v Speaker 6>it doesn't have a lot of the special because the

653
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 6>big stars from New Japan now all work for AW.

654
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.239
<v Speaker 6>There's or at least the ones that we were initially

655
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.800
<v Speaker 6>most excited, they've still got stars. I love Zach Saber

656
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 6>Junior to death right, but a lot of the dream matches.

657
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:35.239
<v Speaker 6>To Jess's point, they've they've are, they're all. They occur

658
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 6>regularly now because everybody works together. So how do you

659
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.079
<v Speaker 6>change this pay per view? And I think they should

660
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:46.039
<v Speaker 6>they should have focus on Forbidden Doors a couple uh

661
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.320
<v Speaker 6>key matches of talent that people need to earn. So

662
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 6>for Bidden Door is like a three or fourmat showcase

663
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 6>where they're competing for a chance at the you know,

664
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 6>maybe the tag Belts Unified every year or something like that,

665
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:04.920
<v Speaker 6>or it's something for the light heavyweight title between CML

666
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.840
<v Speaker 6>New Japan. Like you come up with a couple matches

667
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 6>that you can then run your local promatting with talent

668
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:13.719
<v Speaker 6>and who qualifies for them like this women's four weight.

669
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 6>This is a great way to segue into it. Right,

670
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.840
<v Speaker 6>everybody's earning that shot for that place and that they

671
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:22.840
<v Speaker 6>the number one contender match. So do things like that

672
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:24.800
<v Speaker 6>so you can run your programs on your own show

673
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:26.800
<v Speaker 6>on who's earning the shot for this dream match, and

674
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 6>then the week before you only need to get everybody

675
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.039
<v Speaker 6>qualified on TV and you're good to go. You can

676
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 6>show video clips of the other promotions of their people

677
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.199
<v Speaker 6>qualifying for these four big matches. You flesh out the

678
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 6>rest of the pay per view with title matches and

679
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.119
<v Speaker 6>other big feuds from your regular TV, and you kind

680
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:44.159
<v Speaker 6>of kill two birds with one stone and formalize what

681
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.920
<v Speaker 6>this pay per view is every year, whether it's this

682
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 6>format or something else. But to your point, Kelson, change

683
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:53.159
<v Speaker 6>change what the vibe of this is and qualify it

684
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.559
<v Speaker 6>for the fans, because it isn't the dream match pay

685
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:58.360
<v Speaker 6>per view anymore. We get those all the time. We've

686
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.599
<v Speaker 6>seen all of the big ones pretty much, so it

687
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.639
<v Speaker 6>needs something else. So rebrand the purpose of this pay

688
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.199
<v Speaker 6>per view or just turn it into a big super

689
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:10.239
<v Speaker 6>show on a Wednesday night. Yeah, I don't think it's strong.

690
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Forbidden. Forbidden door to me is Grand Slam. It's a bit.

691
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 2>It's that it would be I agree with you, it

692
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:23.119
<v Speaker 2>would be a Dynamite Grand Slam. It would be beautiful

693
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 2>to be done that way. Grand Slam.

694
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:29.800
<v Speaker 6>If going forward it's like this where they've got three

695
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.079
<v Speaker 6>big aw versus Aw matches and the rast are just

696
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 6>fun tag matches that they put together from various storylines

697
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:39.519
<v Speaker 6>and promotions, and just have it be a party show

698
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:41.039
<v Speaker 6>like a lot of the Grand I think it would

699
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.480
<v Speaker 6>be a really fun pay per view. But your point,

700
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:46.920
<v Speaker 6>just make it a Wednesday Grand Slam, or or or

701
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.400
<v Speaker 6>a four hour show between Dynamite and Collision, you know, to.

702
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Your point, at to Justic's point. Look, this year we

703
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:57.719
<v Speaker 2>had Russell Dynasty on January fifth, took place at the

704
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Tokyo Tokyo Dome in Japan. That was basically a forbidden

705
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.199
<v Speaker 2>door show. Why do we need to forbidden door shows?

706
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>In a year people have been calling for Grand Slam Japan.

707
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean I've seen it posted on x and on

708
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Blue Sky and even on the aw phan Hub subreddit,

709
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 2>and I think I've even seen it on our discord server.

710
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.519
<v Speaker 2>If you have Grand Slam Japan, why do you need

711
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 2>it forbidden door?

712
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:26.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

713
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:31.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I agree, we don't. We don't need it, But

714
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 5>I think it's just something that Tony won't let go

715
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 5>of because he feels like maybe he did the word

716
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.320
<v Speaker 5>and created the I don't know.

717
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

718
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:41.320
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I don't know if I would apply that

719
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 6>sort of negative connotation to it. I mean, there's a

720
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.480
<v Speaker 6>paper that lives here, right, so maybe it's not Forbidden

721
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 6>Door and they call it something different later and Forbidden

722
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.960
<v Speaker 6>Door just turned into a super show. The idea of

723
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:58.880
<v Speaker 6>a cross promotional show, an official cross promotional show, has a.

724
00:42:58.800 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Lot of them do work.

725
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 6>Why we we fans got excited about the very first

726
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:04.559
<v Speaker 6>Forbidden Door, the idea that you're going to get a

727
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 6>super show it's Marvel versus DC, Like that's got an allure.

728
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.239
<v Speaker 6>I think the problem, to Kelson's point, is just the

729
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.119
<v Speaker 6>delivery and the medium they're delivering it. Does it need

730
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.199
<v Speaker 6>to be a pay per view show? If so, then

731
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 6>you need to explain to the fat the fans how

732
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 6>this is going to work going going forward. Why are

733
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.440
<v Speaker 6>we excited about this? What is the purpose of these matches?

734
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 6>Is it just a dream match? How do you come

735
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:30.199
<v Speaker 6>up with those? Because I don't think it's just a

736
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.239
<v Speaker 6>dream match. Pay per view is good enough anymore. There

737
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.440
<v Speaker 6>needs to be more purpose to this pay per view

738
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 6>if they're going to keep running it as a pay

739
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 6>per view. Yeah, I still want to run the promotion

740
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.119
<v Speaker 6>versus promotion stuff. I just this just this format is

741
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:44.320
<v Speaker 6>getting kind of dull. Go ahead, Jess.

742
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.599
<v Speaker 7>Sorry, I was going to say, there's only one last

743
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 7>true forbidden door left, and I'm pretty sure that's hermetically

744
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:52.960
<v Speaker 7>sealed and welded shut.

745
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, we've talked about that before. It ain't gonna happen.

746
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:01.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not going to happen. Not gonna happen.

747
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:06.920
<v Speaker 2>It is what it is. You know. Let's move on

748
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 2>because I want to get to the last topic and

749
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:14.320
<v Speaker 2>then we can go into our pot pourrie. This is

750
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:17.039
<v Speaker 2>not really a big topic, but I think it does

751
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.880
<v Speaker 2>need to be discussed. Look, with Dustin Rhodes now having

752
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>knee replacement surgery, needs two knee replacement surgeries. He's having

753
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.840
<v Speaker 2>surgery on August twenty first. I don't know if they're

754
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.199
<v Speaker 2>doing both needs at the same time. I don't even

755
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.599
<v Speaker 2>know if that's possible, or if that's done often or what.

756
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.840
<v Speaker 2>But he's going to be out according to Feifel, he's

757
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.280
<v Speaker 2>going to be out well into twenty twenty six, so

758
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, but Dustin Rhodes holds with Semi Gavara the

759
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Ring of Honor tag team championships, and with the Von

760
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Erics he holds the six man titles. What do we

761
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.840
<v Speaker 2>do here? I mean, are we going to just replace

762
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Dustin Rhodes with somebody else? I mean, I guess you

763
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:10.360
<v Speaker 2>could put Sammy in with the Van Erks, and I

764
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:13.480
<v Speaker 2>guess that makes sense. But do you vacate the tag

765
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.719
<v Speaker 2>team titles at this point or what do you do?

766
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:16.679
<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

767
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:19.679
<v Speaker 7>I don't know what else you could do other than

768
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:24.519
<v Speaker 7>like go with the old root of making interim champions.

769
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but when you're talking well interim champions though, I mean,

770
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Dustin Rhodes isn't going to be around at best until

771
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:37.199
<v Speaker 2>maybe this time or even later in twenty twenty six

772
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:41.320
<v Speaker 2>at best, and we don't even know what he's gonna

773
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.599
<v Speaker 2>be able to do at that point. I hope he

774
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:49.480
<v Speaker 2>comes back better and stronger, because I mean, he's Dustin

775
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.599
<v Speaker 2>freaking Roads. But yeah, I don't think you can have

776
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.320
<v Speaker 2>an interim championship for over a year.

777
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:59.719
<v Speaker 5>Well, when ones when one's hurt, another one's not. It's

778
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.800
<v Speaker 5>not like the other one. I don't know much about

779
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:06.159
<v Speaker 5>the I know the Vaughan Erics, and they're very good.

780
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:07.519
<v Speaker 5>I don't know which one is the better one to

781
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.360
<v Speaker 5>put with Sammy, but eventually they'll probably have to lose

782
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.639
<v Speaker 5>that and come back to it because I don't I

783
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:20.320
<v Speaker 5>don't see Sammy and you know which everyone Eric or

784
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:23.119
<v Speaker 5>whatever is a viable one.

785
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:29.119
<v Speaker 6>So I'm thinking a little bigger picture on why they

786
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.800
<v Speaker 6>may have played these cards out the way they did

787
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:36.960
<v Speaker 6>with Adam Cole making his announcement and then then putting

788
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:38.920
<v Speaker 6>the belt on Dustin that night, only for him to

789
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 6>drop it for Kyle, Like I'm starting to see some

790
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 6>of these pieces fall in, and I'm wondering if they

791
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:48.119
<v Speaker 6>knew he was going to need these knees, right, Like,

792
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:50.639
<v Speaker 6>this isn't a surprise thing, so they put the belt

793
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:52.719
<v Speaker 6>on him knowing full while he was gonna have surgery.

794
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:54.920
<v Speaker 6>So that kind of tied into all of this. And

795
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.760
<v Speaker 6>then also I'm thinking, is you know they've had some

796
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.800
<v Speaker 6>trouble booking that trios and the Tag divisions and Ring

797
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 6>of Honor. They'd kind of book themselves into a corner

798
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 6>and become really stagnant if you're looking to relaunch those

799
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 6>two divisions. This is just this whole scenario just was

800
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:14.599
<v Speaker 6>handed to you on a silver platter. You've got an

801
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:18.280
<v Speaker 6>upmoment to take away from Cole's down moment. You've got

802
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:21.239
<v Speaker 6>to wait for a veteran to put over a top

803
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.039
<v Speaker 6>young star with his first title on TV in an

804
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 6>incredible match that's very highly regarded by pretty much everybody

805
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.400
<v Speaker 6>who watched it. He gets to announce he's going out

806
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.280
<v Speaker 6>afterwards after we saw him kill himself out there, and

807
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:36.519
<v Speaker 6>you're able to use that as a way to explain

808
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.400
<v Speaker 6>meaning to relinquish the titles and relaunch the tag and

809
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:44.159
<v Speaker 6>the trio's division. Like I tie all that together. Maybe

810
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.440
<v Speaker 6>it's coincidence, but I think this is them taking advantage

811
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 6>of a situation that just kind of fell in their

812
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:54.440
<v Speaker 6>laps to turn a real sour note with Cole ostly

813
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:57.760
<v Speaker 6>having to retire and getting good out of the opportunities

814
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.079
<v Speaker 6>that it opened up with some creative booking too to

815
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 6>accomplish a few things. Maybe I'm wrong, could be all coincidence,

816
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 6>but I look at it together and that kind of

817
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 6>all those pieces kind of a fall into place. So

818
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.679
<v Speaker 6>I think they dropped the titles and just use this

819
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.320
<v Speaker 6>as an opportunity to relaunch and relaunch both of those divisions.

820
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. Look, I want to bring up something

821
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:24.679
<v Speaker 2>that isn't on our agenda tonight, but I do want

822
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.159
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the match between Broddo and the Young

823
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:34.559
<v Speaker 2>Bucks on Dynamite tonight because I can't wait to see

824
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:41.599
<v Speaker 2>what they do to the Bucks. I think that this

825
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.400
<v Speaker 2>is one of the most entertaining things that aw has

826
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:48.199
<v Speaker 2>done in the Goofy wrestling department in a long time.

827
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:54.599
<v Speaker 3>Yes, sorry, well was there a sad chest?

828
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:56.039
<v Speaker 6>But what is that? Inisure?

829
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>He did?

830
00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:58.159
<v Speaker 6>Like, what was that move?

831
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you're talking about?

832
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.320
<v Speaker 6>So he whipped him and he kicks them and flips

833
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.480
<v Speaker 6>them like, oh, you're not to explain it.

834
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:10.639
<v Speaker 2>You're you're yeah, but you're I'm trying to think of

835
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:13.440
<v Speaker 2>you're Are you talking about the Bucks or you're talking

836
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 2>about Brodido Brodido? Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't.

837
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Know what that was.

838
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 6>That was, Like finisher was like, I have never seen

839
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:24.440
<v Speaker 6>that before.

840
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:27.280
<v Speaker 2>That was a circus move. That was that looked like

841
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:28.400
<v Speaker 2>circus acrobats.

842
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:31.719
<v Speaker 6>But to your point, like the fun stuff, this is

843
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:33.960
<v Speaker 6>the type of creative ship you can do when you've

844
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.719
<v Speaker 6>got two guys that are really different, that have really

845
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:39.719
<v Speaker 6>great creative minds and just let him do it. I mean,

846
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:41.519
<v Speaker 6>Jess was kind of going to start touching on that.

847
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:43.079
<v Speaker 6>I think I'm on some of the fun things, So

848
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 6>go ahead, Jess.

849
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 7>No, I was just gonna say, it's it's so funny

850
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 7>that I love it when this happens that, like with

851
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.280
<v Speaker 7>a group or a heel, like either a heel or

852
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.840
<v Speaker 7>group of heels in this case, are so universally low

853
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:04.800
<v Speaker 7>that the moment the opportunity comes along, nobody wants anything

854
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:09.719
<v Speaker 7>to do with them, not even solidary other fields. They

855
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:12.559
<v Speaker 7>are just absolute pariahs, and it's hilarious.

856
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing is that what's happening with the Bucks

857
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:19.320
<v Speaker 2>right now is actually endearing them the fans.

858
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:26.119
<v Speaker 8>Yes, yeah, they are, go ahead, okay, yeah, I just

859
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:29.519
<v Speaker 8>I love watching the talent name and giving them the

860
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:33.440
<v Speaker 8>job or entrance and hear their last post was this

861
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:35.440
<v Speaker 8>is what happens when you spend all your budget on

862
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:40.320
<v Speaker 8>a boat for all in it's just little things like that.

863
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:42.000
<v Speaker 3>I've never been a super.

864
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:46.519
<v Speaker 5>Fan of the Bucks, but I've honestly warmed up to

865
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:49.679
<v Speaker 5>them because they're able to laugh at themselves and beat

866
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.559
<v Speaker 5>the joke, and they don't.

867
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:54.679
<v Speaker 2>Have to do that. I'm glad you said that, because

868
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:57.039
<v Speaker 2>that takes a lot to go out there and have

869
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 2>everybody make a fool out of you and you accept

870
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:07.000
<v Speaker 2>it and you play into it and give everything to it.

871
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the Bucks are doing fantastic work

872
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.199
<v Speaker 2>right now. I really do. And look at Brodido. If

873
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I told you nade me a good partner for Bandido,

874
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:25.519
<v Speaker 2>say in March, I don't think anybody would have said,

875
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:26.880
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, Brody King No.

876
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:29.360
<v Speaker 3>No.

877
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.039
<v Speaker 6>Like two things that you guys hit on it too,

878
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:40.440
<v Speaker 6>Like this entire run from the EVP stuff up through

879
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:45.159
<v Speaker 6>now has been for the fan, the Internet fans, the

880
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 6>people who hate them, who say they're arrogant and do

881
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.119
<v Speaker 6>all this stuff backstage. So they wrote themselves into being

882
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.639
<v Speaker 6>cocky EVPs that called the shots and ruined everything, and

883
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:57.199
<v Speaker 6>all these fans have always wanted a reason to hate

884
00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:59.719
<v Speaker 6>these guys and treat them like crap and like the

885
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.639
<v Speaker 6>job they are. Well now they're actually giving their trolls

886
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 6>the opportunity to do that on TV. Like just the

887
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.880
<v Speaker 6>way they've twisted this whole run of their characters to

888
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.360
<v Speaker 6>just nitpick and poke at the Internet fans make fun

889
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Speaker 6>of themselves. It's just been brilliant and Brodido and like

890
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:20.199
<v Speaker 6>the whole Brodido team up for your case, Like, where

891
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 6>does that come from? I want to know who came

892
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 6>up with that? Was that something Brody pitched? Was that

893
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:29.199
<v Speaker 6>something Bandido pitched? Like this is a great example of

894
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:32.440
<v Speaker 6>keeping Brody on TV when his tag team, like the Dudes,

895
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.440
<v Speaker 6>continuing to get over more and more each week, Like

896
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 6>who came up with this brilliant idea?

897
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what I think it came from was

898
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Grand Slam Mexico. Remember Brody King had a match in

899
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 2>that event. Eddie was doing all these luchadors things, and

900
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:54.199
<v Speaker 2>I think Tony kan Tony Kannan going holy shit, I

901
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.920
<v Speaker 2>got an idea, you know, I really do. I think

902
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 2>it really everything that Brody is doing right now with

903
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Bandido stems from the work he did at Grand Slam Mexico,

904
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:07.079
<v Speaker 2>saying hey, you know what he can do that? I

905
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:07.960
<v Speaker 2>got another question?

906
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 6>Wait, wait back to you said earlier Kelson early on,

907
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.360
<v Speaker 6>So we're talking about the purpose of the TNT title.

908
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:18.760
<v Speaker 6>Brody continues to get over more and more weekly as

909
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:19.519
<v Speaker 6>a babyface.

910
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:20.599
<v Speaker 2>Is he the.

911
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:23.800
<v Speaker 6>Logical person to do thrown Kyle in a few months.

912
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I think he has to get over a little

913
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:31.760
<v Speaker 2>bit more. And what I mean by that is, I

914
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.280
<v Speaker 2>think he has to get some wins over people like

915
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but maybe Brodido gets wins over the

916
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Hurt Syndicate. Uh you know that Brody gets some wins, Yeah,

917
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:49.119
<v Speaker 2>singles wins. Maybe Brody King gets wins over Claudio Cassanoli,

918
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:55.559
<v Speaker 2>even John Knox. Yeah, yeah, you know. I think you've

919
00:53:55.599 --> 00:54:01.000
<v Speaker 2>got to build. Going being over with the wet could

920
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.760
<v Speaker 2>only go so far. I think you have to have credibility.

921
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that Brody King doesn't have credibility. I'm

922
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:14.119
<v Speaker 2>saying that he needs to have in ring wins. Yeah.

923
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 6>Build, that's the point of those the TNT title, Like

924
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:23.079
<v Speaker 6>that's the practice belt. Do we see them as do

925
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.079
<v Speaker 6>they carry them? Do they come across on TV as

926
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:27.760
<v Speaker 6>a champ? Do they speak like a champion with that title?

927
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.519
<v Speaker 6>Do we believe that they are a believable champion? Like

928
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 6>those mid card belts. That's how they get the reps

929
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:35.679
<v Speaker 6>to become and learn how to be champions. The Rock

930
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:37.679
<v Speaker 6>didn't make his name as a heavyweight CHAMPI he made

931
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 6>his name as intercontinental champion. Like that's where that all

932
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:46.320
<v Speaker 6>gets fleshed out. You know, that's the purpose of those titles. Yeah,

933
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 6>all right, back to your initial point that popped into

934
00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:50.840
<v Speaker 6>my head when you I just connected those dots when

935
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:52.079
<v Speaker 6>you said that, and I was like, wait, I got

936
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:53.480
<v Speaker 6>to get this out or I'll forget and I'll never

937
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.639
<v Speaker 6>come back to it. So go back to your initial

938
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:56.199
<v Speaker 6>point on that.

939
00:54:56.719 --> 00:55:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Sorry. What I was gonna ask was I honestly feel that, uh,

940
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 2>whatever is going on with the young Bucks right now

941
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:11.920
<v Speaker 2>is a gateway to them becoming babyfaces again.

942
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.079
<v Speaker 7>I can see it, Like it's fun watching them get

943
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:18.280
<v Speaker 7>their come up once for now, But the longer it

944
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:20.599
<v Speaker 7>goes on, the more they're gonna it's gonna have a

945
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:26.320
<v Speaker 7>sad puppy out in the rain effect.

946
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:29.960
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna play into it, and and it's gonna make

947
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.639
<v Speaker 2>it like, hey, you know what, the Bucks are actually

948
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:37.079
<v Speaker 2>pretty damn cool. Yeah, you know, you know you're gonna

949
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:39.000
<v Speaker 2>have a good time when you see the Bucks out there.

950
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.840
<v Speaker 2>You know the Bucks have gotten I will say this,

951
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.159
<v Speaker 2>I believe that FTR and the Bucks are kind of

952
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:53.360
<v Speaker 2>in the same uh category here when their matches have

953
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:57.239
<v Speaker 2>the have a sameness to them, you know what I mean.

954
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, tell me a Young Bucks match on TV

955
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:06.559
<v Speaker 2>that stood out, or an FTR match on TV that

956
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:09.760
<v Speaker 2>stood out just for the match, not what happened before

957
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:13.559
<v Speaker 2>or after a match, just for the match. That's my point.

958
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I think what's going on now is that the Bucks

959
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:24.079
<v Speaker 2>are actually kind of poking funds at themselves and it's working,

960
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:26.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's working and it's endearing.

961
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

962
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:31.199
<v Speaker 5>I just want to see Brodido when I don't want

963
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:34.880
<v Speaker 5>to see Young Bucks FTR finals, I really do want

964
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.639
<v Speaker 5>to see Rodido go all the way with this because

965
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.760
<v Speaker 5>I think they're a good combination. There's something fresh, and

966
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 5>that's what AW needs right now.

967
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I meant about, like ca Brodido with

968
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:51.039
<v Speaker 2>brody King, you know, to get brody King moreover, I

969
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.760
<v Speaker 2>don't think you need to put Bandid. I think Bandido

970
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:58.320
<v Speaker 2>is where he needs to be right now. Uh huh yeah,

971
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, as the Ring of Honor, world champion, et cetera.

972
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Brody King is kind of beltless right now. And I

973
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:11.400
<v Speaker 2>think by having Bandido and brody King going against a

974
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:14.840
<v Speaker 2>hurt syndicate at Forbidden Door, I think that's good. That's

975
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:20.199
<v Speaker 2>a damn good match. Plus plus, Bandido is a Mexican wrestler,

976
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:23.719
<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of forbidden doorsh. I hate to say

977
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:28.800
<v Speaker 2>it like that, but you know it's the truth. Yeah.

978
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:33.679
<v Speaker 6>You know the other thing too, because of Brody's size,

979
00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:36.000
<v Speaker 6>Like that's one of the problems with the Hurt syndeket.

980
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:40.639
<v Speaker 6>It's just they're just two enormous human beings. So even

981
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:45.199
<v Speaker 6>the better tougher tag teams like FTR, they're a little short,

982
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.480
<v Speaker 6>but like you don't look at them and say they're

983
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:50.719
<v Speaker 6>small guys, but they look like small guys next to

984
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:53.880
<v Speaker 6>the Hurt Syndicate. You need somebody in there, like a Brodito,

985
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.440
<v Speaker 6>like you need you need Brody king in there from

986
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 6>a size perspective, and they've had I believe, wasn't there

987
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.679
<v Speaker 6>an eight man or something where they bumped into each other.

988
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:04.920
<v Speaker 6>There were some meat spots. That's kind of like I

989
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.360
<v Speaker 6>was super excited about the Murder Hawks going after him

990
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:11.599
<v Speaker 6>because MURDERHWK monsters or whatever, because they're big, right, It's

991
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:15.639
<v Speaker 6>just two yeah, lost teams. So like Broddo could be

992
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:20.000
<v Speaker 6>interesting because Andido can wrestle a bigger style like Penta.

993
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:22.480
<v Speaker 6>Pentas kind of can wrestle a big man style even

994
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:25.440
<v Speaker 6>though he's smaller. And and Aido can do that too,

995
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:29.239
<v Speaker 6>and then you've got Brody's size and believability when he's

996
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:31.760
<v Speaker 6>squaring up against the other two hosses out there that

997
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:33.480
<v Speaker 6>I think it could be a real fun match. They

998
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:35.599
<v Speaker 6>don't need to go over You just need to make

999
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:39.719
<v Speaker 6>Brody look good. But I think that would be far

1000
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.960
<v Speaker 6>more entertaining Helson than than than another bucks FTR final

1001
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:52.400
<v Speaker 6>or something like that. Yeah, I'll see myself up.

1002
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Look, look a point.

1003
00:58:57.800 --> 00:58:59.280
<v Speaker 6>We lost Helson for a second there.

1004
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:02.719
<v Speaker 2>You did as I was because I was muted being

1005
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.440
<v Speaker 2>an idiot, But I'm interested. It was interesting that he

1006
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:09.800
<v Speaker 2>brought up Penta, right, How big do you think Bandido

1007
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.039
<v Speaker 2>is compared to Penta as far as size wise.

1008
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:13.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he.

1009
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:17.440
<v Speaker 5>I think people think he's smaller, but he's his size.

1010
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Who wise Banda or wait, Peta. Peta is listed as

1011
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:34.079
<v Speaker 2>five foot eleven Okay, yeah, Bandido is five to seven,

1012
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:40.119
<v Speaker 2>okay to eleven. He's not the biggest guy in the world,

1013
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:43.360
<v Speaker 2>but he as you said, and I and I totally

1014
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:47.639
<v Speaker 2>agree with what you said. There's a difference between Look.

1015
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Look on the women's division, Tekla, she's tiny, but she

1016
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 2>wrestles dig Bandido's not the biggest guy, but he wrestles big. Yeah,

1017
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:03.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, so that's a really good point. Well, look,

1018
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:06.400
<v Speaker 2>let's move on to our pope pirie. Does anybody have

1019
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:08.000
<v Speaker 2>a pote prie for this evening?

1020
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:11.559
<v Speaker 3>I'll go first.

1021
01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:12.480
<v Speaker 6>Here you go first?

1022
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Oh boy, do go ahead? Well somebody go, let's go?

1023
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:21.559
<v Speaker 3>Oh me? Okay.

1024
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:25.960
<v Speaker 7>I guess, like I don't know if anybody else was

1025
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.159
<v Speaker 7>going to talk about it. I guess I get ahead.

1026
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:33.400
<v Speaker 7>Better talk about it. The great, big, ugly beast in

1027
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:36.000
<v Speaker 7>the room.

1028
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Please don't talk about me again. I swear to God,

1029
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:43.440
<v Speaker 2>how tired are you guys talking about me? No, it's

1030
01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:48.599
<v Speaker 2>a little I'm not I'm not that big. I may

1031
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:50.519
<v Speaker 2>be an ugly beast, but I'm not that big.

1032
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:53.880
<v Speaker 3>What with your discoord moderator? So we don't know how big?

1033
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Get in mind?

1034
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.119
<v Speaker 6>What is the what's the beast in the room.

1035
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:04.840
<v Speaker 7>I'm trying to talk about something serious. I'm talking about

1036
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:09.239
<v Speaker 7>I'm talking about the end of Summer Slam Night too,

1037
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:12.880
<v Speaker 7>a certain event involving that east.

1038
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:15.800
<v Speaker 6>That's a different show, for a different promotion. They have

1039
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:21.239
<v Speaker 6>that on the they have admission whatever. That's a different

1040
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:22.119
<v Speaker 6>you know.

1041
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:29.159
<v Speaker 2>For me for me, Look, I'll chime in uh. To me,

1042
01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 2>it was shameful. Absolutely, I didn't like it. I thought

1043
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:36.599
<v Speaker 2>it was a slap in the face. Not only two

1044
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:44.880
<v Speaker 2>women in the world, but I can't imagine being a

1045
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:50.599
<v Speaker 2>female wrestler in WWE. And I'm sure some don't care

1046
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.440
<v Speaker 2>or whatever or someone going to suffer in silence. But

1047
01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:57.199
<v Speaker 2>I had to eat at some some of the women there.

1048
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I felt bad. I really did. I mean that there's

1049
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:06.119
<v Speaker 2>just no you know, look the way I look at

1050
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:10.119
<v Speaker 2>it is. Once again, throughout the week, I saw people

1051
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:13.719
<v Speaker 2>on social media saying, I'm going to give that aw

1052
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:16.920
<v Speaker 2>think a try now because I am tired of this shit,

1053
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:20.360
<v Speaker 2>and so I'm glad they did it for the simple

1054
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.039
<v Speaker 2>reason is that, hey, more people are gonna be watching

1055
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:23.840
<v Speaker 2>aw now.

1056
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:26.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1057
01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:28.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's all well and good, but I wish it

1058
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:32.760
<v Speaker 7>would not have taken something like this for it to happen.

1059
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:36.079
<v Speaker 7>I'm sure there's other straws, last straws that could have

1060
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:38.199
<v Speaker 7>been happened. This is a pretty big last straw.

1061
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.400
<v Speaker 3>It's been since all in I'm not gonna lie.

1062
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and the defense of the defense of

1063
01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:53.760
<v Speaker 2>brock Lesner has been from you know rabbit, a WWE

1064
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:58.119
<v Speaker 2>fans is that he's innocent until proven guilty. Well, the

1065
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:01.800
<v Speaker 2>thing is is that he knew, he knew. There's no

1066
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:07.159
<v Speaker 2>doubt whatsoever that he knew what was going on. Did

1067
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:11.320
<v Speaker 2>he say anything? We don't know, you know, but it

1068
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:16.079
<v Speaker 2>seems like he didn't. I mean, you can't. You can't

1069
01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:20.679
<v Speaker 2>say he's innocent to prove it till proven guilty when

1070
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.679
<v Speaker 2>common sense dictates, you know what I mean.

1071
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.840
<v Speaker 5>And he had the checker pass dating all the way

1072
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:32.400
<v Speaker 5>back to the to the uh fly the playing right

1073
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:34.800
<v Speaker 5>from Hale, So I mean he has a checkered pass

1074
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:38.960
<v Speaker 5>and he he has that with Sable and he with

1075
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:41.559
<v Speaker 5>Destin's ex wife and stuff like that.

1076
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:46.239
<v Speaker 3>So he has the past to crew that he's public guilty.

1077
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:51.440
<v Speaker 2>But well, the only person that WW can bring back

1078
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.079
<v Speaker 2>now is Vince McMahon, and that'll probably be done at

1079
01:03:55.119 --> 01:04:00.119
<v Speaker 2>the next the week of the next age of It

1080
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:02.599
<v Speaker 2>just seems like when a when WW has a pay

1081
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:05.559
<v Speaker 2>per view, they just talked about a w endlessly and

1082
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:09.159
<v Speaker 2>uh and it's it's I don't know, it's just that

1083
01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:12.760
<v Speaker 2>let's move on because we can talk about this and

1084
01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:15.760
<v Speaker 2>get nowhere. Who else has.

1085
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:20.000
<v Speaker 5>A I just want to give Tony Kahan a pad

1086
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:24.880
<v Speaker 5>on the back for being every every person, every wrestler

1087
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:28.400
<v Speaker 5>that has talked to interviews has said that that man

1088
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:32.960
<v Speaker 5>is a genuine man and cares about his his employees,

1089
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:36.679
<v Speaker 5>and that's what wrestling needs right now. They need a

1090
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:38.960
<v Speaker 5>good guy to cheer for. And I don't care what

1091
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 5>to say about his booking. Yes he has some questionable booking,

1092
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:46.559
<v Speaker 5>but the man cares about the industry and the wrestling

1093
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:50.360
<v Speaker 5>world has to have a savior and it's going to

1094
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:51.880
<v Speaker 5>be him for now. And if it leads to more

1095
01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:53.719
<v Speaker 5>people watch him, great.

1096
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:56.000
<v Speaker 7>Hey Jake Hager said he was a communist.

1097
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:01.679
<v Speaker 3>Well, Jake Hager is also very but.

1098
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:04.440
<v Speaker 7>I know that that was the joke.

1099
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Barry, did you have one? I do?

1100
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:10.880
<v Speaker 1>So.

1101
01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:15.880
<v Speaker 6>I don't know who was messing around on the Socials yesterday,

1102
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.679
<v Speaker 6>but on Blue Sky there is an account called aw

1103
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:24.280
<v Speaker 6>on TV and I'm not sure if they're officially affiliated

1104
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:28.159
<v Speaker 6>with the show or not, but what they are, so

1105
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.880
<v Speaker 6>they they posted because I follow them and it's just

1106
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:36.400
<v Speaker 6>you know, here's coming up, but whatever. They posted the

1107
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:40.360
<v Speaker 6>opening to Dynamite without any audio, basically saying we can't

1108
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:42.880
<v Speaker 6>use the song Cleveland Rocks from the Drew Carey Show

1109
01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:45.960
<v Speaker 6>I'm playing, but all of you can. Somebody did, but

1110
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:49.960
<v Speaker 6>the rest of us just remixed it with just amazing bangers.

1111
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:52.719
<v Speaker 6>So if you haven't checked it out, go on there.

1112
01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:56.320
<v Speaker 6>I did five or six. There's I think probably over

1113
01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:58.960
<v Speaker 6>a hundred of a bunch of songs. Some are funny,

1114
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:01.880
<v Speaker 6>some are really really good. It was a lot of fun,

1115
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:03.360
<v Speaker 6>a lot of a lot of a lot of real

1116
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:06.960
<v Speaker 6>positive comments, a lot of people really just enjoying the content.

1117
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:10.599
<v Speaker 6>It's one of those feel good kind of viral moments

1118
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:13.039
<v Speaker 6>that happens just very briefly now and then, and it

1119
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.039
<v Speaker 6>was a fun few hours yesterday and it's worth checking

1120
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:16.280
<v Speaker 6>out if anybody hasn't seen them.

1121
01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we actually had a couple of them posted on

1122
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the aw pan up subreddit today. Yeah you know, yeah,

1123
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:25.360
<v Speaker 2>and they are it is fun. I actually I actually

1124
01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:28.360
<v Speaker 2>did one, but I didn't post it because I was

1125
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:31.000
<v Speaker 2>trying to sink it and I couldn't sink it right.

1126
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:36.559
<v Speaker 2>But I actually did, uh the aw Dynamite opening with

1127
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:42.800
<v Speaker 2>baby Metals in the name of they're instrumental and uh

1128
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.679
<v Speaker 2>and it's and it's actually really perfect, but I just

1129
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:53.480
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get it SYNCD right. So enjoying everybody else's. Yeah,

1130
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:54.199
<v Speaker 2>we had the.

1131
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:56.519
<v Speaker 6>Thank you for being a friend and I did. It's

1132
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.559
<v Speaker 6>like I heard I heard the baseline hit at the

1133
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:00.840
<v Speaker 6>beginning and I'm like, oh, this is and roll in

1134
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:05.599
<v Speaker 6>my eyes and I was dying by the end of it. Yeah,

1135
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:08.239
<v Speaker 6>I'm so excited. Yeah, there were some fun ones.

1136
01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so my potpourri is this.

1137
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:14.280
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

1138
01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:17.559
<v Speaker 2>I remember Forbidden Door. I don't remember if it was

1139
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:19.679
<v Speaker 2>last year or two years. I think it was last year.

1140
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Stephanie va Kerr against Mercedes Monet and what was at

1141
01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:28.360
<v Speaker 2>the time probably Mercedes Monett's best match. And what happened

1142
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:37.239
<v Speaker 2>to Stephanie Verkerr She got signed by WWE last week. Uh,

1143
01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:42.199
<v Speaker 2>there were reports going on and it's kind of been's

1144
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:45.599
<v Speaker 2>pretty enlightening from what some of the dirt sheets have

1145
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:51.639
<v Speaker 2>been saying. Uh. The report was that guys like et

1146
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Cicero have dual contracts with both CMLL and ae W.

1147
01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh and the belief is that a lot of guys

1148
01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:08.920
<v Speaker 2>in CMLL now and women have dual contracts with CMLL

1149
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:14.599
<v Speaker 2>and AW. This helps AW tremendously, and it helps CMLL

1150
01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:22.399
<v Speaker 2>tremendously because to these wrestlers are getting more money and

1151
01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:26.800
<v Speaker 2>more notoriety. You know what I mean. So, yeah, I

1152
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:32.239
<v Speaker 2>mean at AW, I mean Takeshta has dual contracts with

1153
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:35.159
<v Speaker 2>and I believe doesn't. Kevin Knight also have a dual

1154
01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:41.279
<v Speaker 2>contract with New Japan, So you know, I just want

1155
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:45.319
<v Speaker 2>to point that out that this is something that will prevent,

1156
01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:51.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, these talents from getting signed out from under

1157
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:56.319
<v Speaker 2>CMLL and AW because now they've got dual contracts. And

1158
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:59.119
<v Speaker 2>I think this is a good thing, So look for

1159
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:06.760
<v Speaker 2>more CMLL talent like Mystico to be featured in a W.

1160
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.039
<v Speaker 6>I think it's great. I think it's good for the business.

1161
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:15.479
<v Speaker 6>And to your point, the talent in Mexico cannot make

1162
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:17.560
<v Speaker 6>as much money there as they can in the States,

1163
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:20.039
<v Speaker 6>and many of them don't necessarily want to move here,

1164
01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:22.640
<v Speaker 6>and if you can close that gap and make everybody happy,

1165
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:24.600
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's a no brainer.

1166
01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's just I can't think of anything

1167
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:30.840
<v Speaker 2>bad about this, and it really does help the the

1168
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:35.760
<v Speaker 2>wrestlers in CMLL, and I'm sure that they're not breaking

1169
01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:39.319
<v Speaker 2>the bank either, so it definitely helps AW.

1170
01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:43.399
<v Speaker 6>Because TV I'm there, I'm sorry.

1171
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, yeah, look at it exactly. I agree

1172
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:49.439
<v Speaker 2>with you. That's what I was gonna say. That's just

1173
01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Sarah being on TV, Mystico being on TV. You know,

1174
01:09:54.720 --> 01:10:01.279
<v Speaker 2>these guys are fantastic and they fit. That's the big thing.

1175
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:04.880
<v Speaker 6>Is they fit, you know, I mean Luca fits in

1176
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:07.640
<v Speaker 6>naturally with is the AW product. That's one of the

1177
01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:09.920
<v Speaker 6>reasons why the Lucha Brothers were just so easy. You

1178
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:12.000
<v Speaker 6>can just put them in anywhere you can. You can

1179
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:15.199
<v Speaker 6>plug that style in because there's so much focus on

1180
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:18.640
<v Speaker 6>athleticism and the Lucas are teaching a lot of the

1181
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.159
<v Speaker 6>talent and the states that don't have this how to

1182
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:23.159
<v Speaker 6>play up the crowd more like. That's a big thing

1183
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:26.399
<v Speaker 6>in Lucha Libre, learning how to play the crowd, and

1184
01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:30.199
<v Speaker 6>it's they don't really teach that here and you're seeing

1185
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:32.319
<v Speaker 6>some of that rub off, and I think that's a

1186
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:34.840
<v Speaker 6>good thing for AW as well. There's a lot of

1187
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:37.520
<v Speaker 6>learning going on in real time in front of our eyes,

1188
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:38.680
<v Speaker 6>and it's pretty cool to watch.

1189
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:43.079
<v Speaker 7>Treating the talent well results on a better product for

1190
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:43.600
<v Speaker 7>the people.

1191
01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:50.319
<v Speaker 2>He knew. Yeahk just brought up something in the in

1192
01:10:50.479 --> 01:10:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the chat. Last week was the two year anniversary of

1193
01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:04.640
<v Speaker 2>Karushida beating Tony Storm of the Outcasts to become AW

1194
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Women's World Champion. On Collision two years ago today was

1195
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:17.760
<v Speaker 2>the debut of Timeless Tony Storm. In AW, she wasn't

1196
01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:20.600
<v Speaker 2>fully Timeless Tony Storm yet. It was still like a

1197
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:24.840
<v Speaker 2>work in progress, but you could definitely see it happening.

1198
01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:27.079
<v Speaker 3>AW was never the same.

1199
01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know, yeah, go ahead, yeah.

1200
01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:35.880
<v Speaker 7>I was just gonna say A Sunset Boulevard is one

1201
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:38.119
<v Speaker 7>of my favorite old movies. So when she first started

1202
01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:41.600
<v Speaker 7>doing that, I'm like, oh, she's doing Norma Desmond. I

1203
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:43.439
<v Speaker 7>didn't think she would be able to get that much

1204
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:45.760
<v Speaker 7>mileage out of it. But now I can't really imagine

1205
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:46.720
<v Speaker 7>her doing anything.

1206
01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Doing she was doing Norma Desmond in All About Eve.

1207
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:57.600
<v Speaker 2>There was a matchup of movies there, but it was

1208
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:02.760
<v Speaker 2>it means look, I mean right, it's not off. It's

1209
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:08.279
<v Speaker 2>two years today. It was on Collision August fifth, twenty

1210
01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:12.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty three that she broke that character.

1211
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:16.000
<v Speaker 6>Out two years to become one of the one of,

1212
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:20.479
<v Speaker 6>if not arguably the biggest women's star. Well maybe not

1213
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:22.119
<v Speaker 6>the biggest, but I think the best one in the

1214
01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:25.279
<v Speaker 6>star in the United States today, biggest.

1215
01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Star is born. How many gimmicks? How many gimmicks do

1216
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:32.920
<v Speaker 2>you know? Of that last two years and is still

1217
01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:34.319
<v Speaker 2>going strong.

1218
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:37.359
<v Speaker 6>Better each week. Her promos are better now, like people

1219
01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:39.760
<v Speaker 6>people look forward to her promos now like they used

1220
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:42.039
<v Speaker 6>to Max cast her raps like oh, Tony's got the

1221
01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:43.920
<v Speaker 6>mic because it's like, what's she going to say next?

1222
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:45.920
<v Speaker 2>It's it's yeah, it's ridiculous.

1223
01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:51.359
<v Speaker 5>I just loved that interview that Jews did talk about

1224
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:54.800
<v Speaker 5>their relationship and how let's see love each other and

1225
01:12:55.359 --> 01:13:01.199
<v Speaker 5>I about living in that household is craziness.

1226
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, so yeah, that's that. I mean that

1227
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:09.840
<v Speaker 2>was a good, good thing to bring up. MK. So

1228
01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:14.359
<v Speaker 2>thank you. So that's gonna do it for Ignition for tonight.

1229
01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:18.159
<v Speaker 2>We'll be back later on this evening right after Dynamite,

1230
01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:22.479
<v Speaker 2>will be doing all Lee Talk for our aw Dynamite

1231
01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:24.680
<v Speaker 2>review show. I kind of think that this show is

1232
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:30.399
<v Speaker 2>going to have some stuff stuff going on. I really do,

1233
01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:32.720
<v Speaker 2>it really does. I think it's going to be a

1234
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:36.600
<v Speaker 2>fun show tonight, and I'm looking forward to it. I'm

1235
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:40.000
<v Speaker 2>looking forward to talking about it. And so we'll see

1236
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:45.039
<v Speaker 2>everybody tonight, uh at right after Dynamite goes off the air.

1237
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:51.279
<v Speaker 2>And so for the aw Fan podcast team, this is Kelson.

1238
01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Good night, everybody, good night,