WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.519 Welcome to the nonprofits. Another exciting episode that can only 2 00:00:04.599 --> 00:00:07.879 go up. Now. When I say up, I don't mean 3 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:11.320 that kind of up, but I'm talking about looking up Aaron. 4 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:12.599 Once you go ahe and fill us in. 5 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:12.960 Yeah. 6 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:15.919 Earthlans are witnessed to a once in a civilization event 7 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:19.120 as Comet su Chin Sean Atlas, or as it is 8 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:22.280 technically known, Sea Slash twenty twenty three A three has 9 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:24.960 been visible from Earth since the end of September and 10 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.359 will continue to be visible to the end of October 11 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:30.440 of twenty twenty four, as on the comets to eighty 12 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:33.240 thousand year journey around the Sun. The last time this 13 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:36.159 commet was seen by any creature on Earth, wooly mammos 14 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:40.079 were walking around and Homo sapiens were still hunters and gatherers. 15 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:42.240 For those of North America, if you look up to 16 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:45.200 the southwest about ninety minutes after sunset, you should be 17 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:48.200 able to see the comet. Up until October twentieth, humans 18 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:51.840 have done wild, unpredictable things when they see unprecedented celestial 19 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:55.039 events like this. Is this comet important of things to come? 20 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:57.759 Or a reason to let our human freak flag fly? 21 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:01.200 This story is from Earth dot com by Eric Rawls, 22 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:04.000 published September twenty ninth, twenty twenty four. 23 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:06.959 Thanks Aaron, And I've got to say that, being the 24 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:09.560 oldest person on the panel, I just want to assure 25 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:12.480 that everyone that I was not around the last time 26 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:15.359 this comment came around. It was closed. 27 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:17.920 But that's really not Actually that's really good. 28 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:21.079 But on that note, you know, eighty thousand years does 29 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.680 seem like a long time, But in the realm of 30 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:26.439 the universe, we were to take the universe and say, 31 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.599 compress it down a timeframe that we could understand better, 32 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:32.680 how long would eighty thousand years be, and say, compare 33 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:33.439 it to the universe? 34 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.159 Yeah, the Earth, the universe, last I've heard it was 35 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:38.000 thirteen and a half billion years old. I've heard some 36 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.439 people say fourteen billion, but I went with thirteen billion. 37 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:42.959 If you compress thirteen billion years down into one year 38 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:46.280 of time, that means the comment was last year point 39 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:50.439 zero zero zero five to nine percent of the entire 40 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:54.239 life of the universe, which equals about three seconds ago. 41 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:58.079 That's how that's how long the universe is. The comet 42 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:01.560 was eighty thousand years in our term galactically speaking, or 43 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:04.239 you know, universe speaking, it's like three seconds ago, and 44 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:07.519 human population, the human civilization has even been around for 45 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:11.439 a second. So uh, it's it's it's old, it's been 46 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:13.879 around for a while, but it's also very very young. 47 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.919 Well, I've got to say that I'm pretty fascinated with 48 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:22.639 astronomical astronomical things. When I was a kid, I bought 49 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.759 a telescope and was just absolutely fixated with with a 50 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:28.599 lot of these things. But I know that many people 51 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:33.199 don't really know the difference between one celestial object to another. 52 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:38.240 So ahs one or can you share some clarification on that. 53 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:42.000 I'm glad you asked. I mean, I love science clearly, 54 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:44.520 so allow me to get a little bit nerdy and 55 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.840 technical here for a moment. You know, there are a 56 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:51.719 lot of objects up in space, you know, so what 57 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:56.080 is the difference between all of these space things? So 58 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.759 an asteroid is a rock and metal, you know, there 59 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:01.039 can be a combination of both and iron and stuff 60 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:04.080 like that, and they come from the asteroid belt that's 61 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.919 between Mars and Jupiter. Then you have meteor which is 62 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:11.560 not actually an object. It's more like the burning effect 63 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:15.560 that results from a meteoroid when it enters the atmosphere 64 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:19.520 and it starts to burn. And then a meteoroid is 65 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.159 what most people think of as a meteor or the 66 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.280 confused part of the names. As I say, the meteor 67 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:29.000 is just the light that it reflects, so it's a meteoroid. 68 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:31.960 There's a chunk of an asteroid from the asteroid belt, 69 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.319 and the comet, which is what we're talking about here, 70 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:41.439 is mostly ice and dust. Sometimes it can sort of 71 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:45.080 grab rocky objects along the path because it's traveling so 72 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:48.120 fast and it's made of ice, so you know, stuff 73 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:50.879 kind of sticks to it, and so a comed is 74 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.639 just kind of like a bunch of space junk. That's 75 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:56.560 why they're often called dirty snowballs. 76 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:01.639 Well, I have to first say that when Steven mentioned 77 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.800 the eighty thousand years and you seem to be buying 78 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:06.639 into that too, I just want to go ahead and 79 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.479 start out with lies of the Devil, because we all 80 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.240 know that the world is actually six thousand years old 81 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.480 and started on a Tuesday around three pm, So I 82 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:18.279 don't know what you guys are talking about. 83 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.959 Timeline was humid in the Genealogy of Jesus found in 84 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:23.800 Luke chapter three. 85 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.720 Amen, brother, and I'm glad you're aware of it now. 86 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:31.480 Stephen I know that you're an artist, so I know 87 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.639 that you're going to look at this from a from 88 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:37.279 an artist perspective. What do you see in this whole 89 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:42.040 story about this comment and it's eighty eighty thousand year trip? 90 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:43.120 What do you see with this? 91 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:48.439 Like I cannot rap remember, I just you want to 92 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:50.439 know how how good I am with numbers. I just 93 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:54.920 found out today that I sent a package. I thought 94 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.120 I was sending it to my address, but I like 95 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:59.279 mixed up two numbers. I sent it to four or 96 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:01.480 five one and said five four one. I've lived here 97 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:03.639 for two and a half years and I still can't 98 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:06.680 keep my address right. That that's how well numbers click 99 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.399 in my brain. Right, So eighty thousand years is just 100 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:16.040 what does that even mean? And especially like the idea 101 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:21.319 that this comet is, you know, orbiting the Sun and 102 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:25.519 it's spending most of its time out beyond Pluto, like 103 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:29.800 it's that far away and yet still the Sun is 104 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:34.040 what is like whipping? It's still the Sun is pulling? 105 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:37.680 Like how how how does this work? 106 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:37.839 It? 107 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.000 Just like I know if for myself, if I hopped 108 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:45.199 into a car and I drove away from anything for 109 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.279 forty thousand years and no point when I say, you 110 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:50.959 know what, I kind of want to I feel like 111 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:52.759 I should turn around and go back to where I 112 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:56.000 came from after forty thousand years. I'm like, no, I 113 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.439 am gone. I do not owe you anything. I'm going 114 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:01.199 to just keep on going in direction. I'm going, I 115 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:03.839 am not turning around. And yet for this comment, it 116 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:07.040 is out there for so far, for so long, and 117 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.160 he's like, you know what, I still I just can't. 118 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:10.879 I just can't say no to that, son. I just 119 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.079 got to keep on being tugged around by it. It 120 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:14.680 just blows my mind. 121 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.240 Well, I've got to say that with the name, and 122 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:19.639 I'm not even to try to enunciate it. I'm glad 123 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:23.000 Aaron had that job, and I'm going to leave it 124 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:25.279 with him. And I'm just gonna call it the Dorothy 125 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:29.199 Dorothy comment, because clearly it thinks there's no place like home. 126 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:33.920 So it's coming back now. Seriously, though, Aaron, why do 127 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:37.160 you think there's this tendency with us and then I 128 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:40.319 don't meet us, particularly on the panel, but human tendency 129 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:44.040 to assign meaning to celestial events like comments, and and 130 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.680 how how do you think that that influences our understanding 131 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:48.879 of science versus mythology. 132 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:50.720 Oh, I think it's I think it's built in. I 133 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:55.480 think it's it evolved. Our brains evolved to be storytelling brains. 134 00:06:55.680 --> 00:07:00.040 Don't know why. It must have something with survival and 135 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:04.160 being able to notice things that are dangerous to us 136 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:05.519 and surviving those dangers. 137 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:06.079 But we are. 138 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:10.839 Our brains literally make up stories on what's happening in 139 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:13.279 the world, literally make things up. And so when you 140 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:15.720 see a come in the sky, oh my gosh, what 141 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.319 the heck is that? It must mean the world is 142 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:20.519 about to end or some other Or you see in 143 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:23.519 eclipse a solar eclips or a luminary eclips Oh my gosh, 144 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:25.839 what does that mean? The sun is red? Oh my gosh. 145 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.680 So your brain is your brain has to know, and 146 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:30.279 it wants to know so bad that it just makes 147 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.000 shit up and makes stories up. And that's what That's 148 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:35.079 the beauty of science is the beauty of science is 149 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.279 it eliminates that bias that we have. It takes all 150 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:43.319 the biases that we have, the confirmation biases, the ad 151 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.360 popular biases, the you know, all those minds that we have, 152 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:48.240 and it gets rid. It tries to get rid of them, 153 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:49.879 and it tries to see the world for the way 154 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:51.399 it really is. It tries to find out what is 155 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:53.879 the truth, how does the world really operate? What is 156 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:55.560 that big thing in the sky. Is it a monster 157 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.120 coming to devour the earth or is it something else? 158 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.439 In science then investigates and tries to figure out what's 159 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.240 the truth here, what's going on. Unfortunately, we live at 160 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:07.879 a time where science is kind of came. Without science, 161 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.839 we wouldn't be talking on these electronic devices, we wouldn't 162 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:13.120 have the Internet, we wouldn't have the travel that we have. 163 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:15.279 We wouldn't be able to understand that a comment is 164 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.680 just a hawk ice that's literally falling towards the Sun 165 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:21.000 and melting, and that's why we see it has the 166 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:21.600 long tail. 167 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:21.920 Right. 168 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.199 Without science, we wouldn't know that an eclipse is just 169 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:27.680 the Earth getting in the way of the Sun or 170 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:30.319 the moon Moon getting away of the Sun and blocking 171 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.480 it from the Earth's view. So science is an invaluable 172 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:36.399 to it to helping us understand the truth of what 173 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:40.320 real reality is like. Without all our storytelling, nonsense in 174 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:41.799 our brains getting in the way. 175 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:44.879 And without science, you would not be watching the nonprofits. 176 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.519 You would not be that is absolutely not and speaking 177 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.919 of science, I hail science. I think I hail science. 178 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:56.720 I completely agree, And you know, I think that you 179 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:00.360 hit on several good things talking about you know, science 180 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.559 and how it takes away these buys and these allow 181 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:06.919 us to look at the data and sort out things. 182 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:09.759 And but that also kind of goes the question I 183 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.159 wanted to talk to you about, AJA is about you know, 184 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.399 we have computer simulations that we can calculate these things. 185 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:18.720 I know that some people look at this and go, yo, 186 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.840 you're you're taking the mystery away. You're you're you're taking 187 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.600 the fun out of it by breaking it down in 188 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:26.840 the numbers. But what about you? How do you feel 189 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.799 about that? I know you have you enjoy science. Does 190 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:32.159 it deepen your appreciation of these type of events that 191 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:35.000 we have been able to learn so many things, and 192 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.679 we obviously don't know everything, but that we've been able 193 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:40.320 to learn this and understand and predict these types of things. 194 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:43.399 Yeah, Aaron said, you know, we have been able to 195 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.879 do so many things through science, and science is just 196 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.960 to me, it's amazing. And we have been able to 197 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:55.200 learn some incredible things about the history of humans, the Earth, 198 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:59.639 the galaxy, you know, the whole universe. In science is 199 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:04.080 Athlete has helped us understand that the last individuals to 200 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:07.919 witness this, you know, cosmic events more ancestors who first 201 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:11.840 wentured out of Africa eighty thousand years ago. And there 202 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:16.960 are several factors that scientists can use and look at 203 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:20.200 to determine when a comet will come close to the 204 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:23.320 Earth and whether it has come close to Earth before. 205 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:27.679 They can use computer simulation, which is extremely intricate and 206 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:32.120 complicated and detailed. They can calculate the speed, the size, 207 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:36.399 the axis, the rotation, and they can observe the orbit 208 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.679 for long periods of time to learn, you know, what 209 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.559 shape the orbit has, whatever it's you know, a perfect 210 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:46.200 circle or over all or whether it's just fluctuating, and 211 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.279 how long it takes that orbit, you know, after it 212 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:52.480 has gone through it a couple of times. So it's 213 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.919 just mind blowing. As Steven mentioned, what kind of work 214 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:03.000 goes into getting more detailed history about these these objects 215 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:04.840 because they can't look at any kind of object, like 216 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:09.399 you said, you know, comments meteors, meteoroid's, asteroids, any kind 217 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:11.720 of object and to you exactly what it was on 218 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.080 what is going to be? And I wish this kind 219 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:15.639 of stuff got a lot more attention. 220 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:20.120 I was very tempted to ask Steven a very simple question, 221 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.919 and of course by simple, I mean, what do you 222 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.159 think that cosmology would look like? Explaining a comment from 223 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:29.519 the flat earth perspective? 224 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:37.200 But I'm not going to do that, just something that's 225 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:44.879 just a glitch in the what's what's the I'm blanking 226 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:46.960 on the celestial dome that's over. 227 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:48.679 Oh the firmament. 228 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:54.679 Yeah, yeah, exactly, It's all a big. 229 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.759 Yeah, Steven. I'm glad to ask you because now I 230 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:02.000 know you knew not only explained it to me, but 231 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:04.720 you've now converted me to be a flur. So it's 232 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:06.360 kind of win win, right, So we can go and 233 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:09.039 shut the show down and do our own thing. But 234 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.720 actually I have a real question for you. Do you 235 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:17.120 think that conversations about space and science can create a 236 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.679 more profound sense of curiosity exploration? And perhaps these things 237 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.440 lead to people looking at the world in ways that 238 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:26.519 have nothing to do with the comment or any of 239 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.080 these things, and recognize that the world is a lot 240 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:31.600 bigger than perhaps that they saw it before. 241 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:36.559 Exactly precisely, like I like, this conversation is reminding me 242 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:38.559 of a book that me and the kids took out 243 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:40.919 from the library a number of months back, and it 244 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.679 was this, It was a story told by our rock 245 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:48.840 that Neil Armstrong brought back from the Moon, and it 246 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.440 was just like, yep, here's my life story. I started 247 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:54.039 off this way, and oh yeah, how I think it 248 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:58.039 started off as on Earth and then there was a 249 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:01.559 collision and whatever caused the moon like just kind of 250 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:04.960 like giving the millions of years of history and just 251 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:08.960 what went into creating the Moon and how this rock 252 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.519 was on the face of the Moon for millennia and 253 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.679 it hadn't even like looked back at the Earth since humans, 254 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:19.159 you know, first came about on the Earth, that it 255 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.559 wasn't even aware that people were down here. And it 256 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:24.399 was just so it was so neat to, especially for 257 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:26.919 my kids, just to be able to open up their 258 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:31.240 minds to this idea that the world is so the galaxy, 259 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.399 the universe, the cosmos are so big, and it's just 260 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.559 and especially because we're in a you know, a rural 261 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:42.360 setting here, just to shake them free from any idea 262 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:46.000 that what we see right here is basically all that 263 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.480 there is. It is so much bigger and it's such 264 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:55.080 a deep, wonderful place to explore and just to incite 265 00:13:55.279 --> 00:14:01.080 curiosity and desire to know more. Absolutely, like, more of 266 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:03.159 that information we have, the more we can share, the 267 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:05.600 more we can wonder, and the more the more we wonder, 268 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:06.639 the more we can dig in. 269 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:09.480 You know, I think that that's something that we all 270 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:12.639 can be reminded sometimes, because it's easy to get wrapped 271 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:16.399 up and think that, you know, the little small bubble 272 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.320 you live in is the world, and obviously it isn't. 273 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.799 There's a whole big world right here on this rock. 274 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:25.159 But really, when it comes down to it, the rock 275 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:29.879 we live on is really quite small and infitesimal compared 276 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:34.399 to this vast universe that really, as Aaron pointed out, 277 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:38.279 this eighty thousand year trek of a comment is still 278 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:41.759 just a very small portion of that universe. And aj 279 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:45.639 I was wondering, I know that some people they tie 280 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:48.960 themselves into a bubble of you know, studying religious texts. 281 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:54.000 Do you think that their exposure to wonders of the universe, 282 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.639 which this, in my opinion, even though it is a 283 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:59.679 dirty snowball, is a wonder. It's a pretty cool thing. 284 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.120 And so do you think that this wonder of a 285 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:05.279 snowball dirty snowball that we're talking about here. Do you 286 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.759 think that, uh, this is something that people will look 287 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:13.120 at and perhaps reconsider those religious texts. Do you think so? 288 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:18.039 I think they could, you know, like what Aaron said 289 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.799 earlier about how we see the world and how we 290 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.399 use science, and that that is exactly what we should 291 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:29.559 be doing. We should be looking more so at at 292 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.919 other books, not just the one book, because place is 293 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.559 just so fascinating. So I'll never understand why people spend 294 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:41.360 their lives studying scripture and grasping stars to make sense 295 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.759 of these supernatural claims when they could just look up 296 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:48.799 at the sky making effort to understand was actually truly 297 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.480 going on. After there's no heaven, there's no sky, Daddy, 298 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:56.080 there's no supernatural involved. But I suppose that you know, 299 00:15:56.159 --> 00:16:00.000 the vastness of the cosmos can sometimes feel intimidating because 300 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:02.279 it is just so complex and a lot of people 301 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:03.919 have a hard time understanding it. 302 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:07.120 I think you're right. And one of the things that 303 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.399 I wanted to reach out to Aaron on is that 304 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:13.120 do you do you think that there's enough focus on 305 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:17.440 scientific literacy and you know, and not just in astronomy, 306 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:20.480 but in sciences in general. Do you think our society 307 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:22.559 tends to gloss over that, or do you think that 308 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.600 we could benefit from a greater focus on I think we. 309 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:29.919 Could definitely benefit from from a focus on science. I 310 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:32.320 think we could really benefit from a focus on understanding 311 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:36.600 that humans are bias machines. We do not see the 312 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.639 world the way it really is. And all you have 313 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:41.960 to do to prove that is go do a search for. 314 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:44.279 Oh, what is it? 315 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:47.600 Of course, every time I want to say it illusions, 316 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.200 optical illusions, Go do a search on the never optical 317 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:53.720 illusions or audio illusions, and you'll see that our brain 318 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:57.960 does not process the world in a truthful, accurate way. 319 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:01.960 And so when people if people understood that we are 320 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:05.640 just emotional, irrational creatures, and that the purpose of science 321 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:09.799 isn't too you know, disproved, isn't to you know, tell 322 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:11.960 you that your religion is a lie. The purpose of 323 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:13.599 science is to help us see the world in an 324 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.359 accurate way, and then whatever the consequences of that is, 325 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:19.440 let those consequences be. But science is there to show 326 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.480 us the way the work, the way the world really is, 327 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.279 and help us understand how things really work. Because when 328 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:27.119 we understand how things really work, then we can control them, 329 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:29.720 we can understand them, we can move forward, we could 330 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:30.680 take advantage of them. 331 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.759 And yeah, well, and I was just wondering. I know 332 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:37.519 that I'm going to go ahead and get all my 333 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.279 family and friends together that are prepared for the comment. 334 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:42.920 We're going to have a nice, big prayer meeting. Okay, No, 335 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.119 maybe we're not. But you know, this is definitely one 336 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:49.519 of those things that I think, and I think you're right, Aaron. 337 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:53.240 I think that it's not our goal necessarily, or it's 338 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:56.200 not the goal at all for science. Science is not 339 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:00.839 about a God claim. But I do think that scientific 340 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:06.359 literacy does help allow certain bad beliefs to be perpetuated. 341 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:10.240 And I think that when people learn things and they 342 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:13.240 understand that somebody's not just pulling up a number of 343 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.759 eighty thousand years out of their rectum and saying this 344 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:20.079 is the official science, and they understand the science behind it, 345 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:24.440 sometimes that causes people to reconsider their views now, and. 346 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:27.240 It can be read it can be threatening for science 347 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:31.119 to reveal things about the universe that contradict our deeply 348 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.839 held beliefs, and that's a really tough spot. 349 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:34.480 To be in. Yep. 350 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:38.440 And you know, for me, I was raised in a 351 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.440 very conservative sect that almost everybody was younger Earth, but 352 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.799 I wasn't. Well, my dad had a geology background, so 353 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.160 he thought the idea of a young Earth was just 354 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:52.640 absolutely stupid. But he also you know, so I learned 355 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:54.960 a lot of things, like the global flood wasn't true, 356 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.240 and that the Earth wasn't six thousand years old, but 357 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.839 it is for some people. It's almost like it's a 358 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.640 personal offense if you even imply that this could be 359 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:09.359 the case. And well, far be it for me to 360 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:13.559 offend anybody. I would never do that. Okay, once again, 361 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:19.079 but I was wondering, Stephen, did you have anything you 362 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:19.880 wanted to wrap up with? 363 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.680 Like, the more we the more we know, the more 364 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:25.480 we understand, the greater, the more the doors that will 365 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:27.440 be opened up to us, the better we can understand 366 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.200 our place in the world, and maybe hope we can 367 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:30.359 save it from ourselves. 368 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.440 Yeah, and that I think you might have set a 369 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:36.119 really high bar there, but yeah, we can hope for that. Now, 370 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:38.880 any anything you want to close with? 371 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:42.400 Yeah, I wanted to add to what Aaron said about science. Literacy, 372 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:47.079 science communication is inquitely important for society to grow and 373 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.839 make progress, you know, like when I was rebeating this article, 374 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:55.000 realize how little I know about astrophysics. But that is 375 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:58.400 exactly what I love having experts explain it to me 376 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:01.720 in simple terms, and you know that I can understand, 377 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:05.599 like I love listening to the gas tison. And there's 378 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:08.680 another one saving host and fielder I think is her name, 379 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:14.200 and they make learning about astronomy and physics fun and engaging. 380 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:21.599 And there are so many other scientists sharing about whatever field, biology, genetics, archaeology. 381 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:26.119 They have YouTube channels, podcast audio books, and they all 382 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.880 open the conversation to the average person and invite them 383 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.799 to talk about whatever topic they enjoy. You know, you 384 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.200 never know what might pipe your interest in, and you know, 385 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:39.799 a completely new career in the scientific field. And it's 386 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.920 one of the greatest benefits that we have in the 387 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:47.119 age of information. There is easy and open and often 388 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:51.160 free access to knowledge that everyone should be taken advantage of. 389 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:54.400 Well, this is a little awkward because I thought they 390 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:59.200 scheduled you on the program tonight, Aja because of your 391 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:05.559 technical astrophysics and expertise. So this is very unsettling. So 392 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.680 I had to talk to somebody about that. But Aaron, 393 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:11.039 is there anything you wanted to close with, Yeah. 394 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:14.440 We are emotional creatures. We're irrationally emotional creatures, and so 395 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:17.480 science can sometimes get in its own way in trying 396 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:21.440 to communicate the amazing universe that we live in. And 397 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:23.559 so it's really important that when we focus when we 398 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:27.079 tell scientific stories, that we tell stories and that can 399 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:30.680 kind of seem disingenious or contradictory to science. But the 400 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:34.440 best science communicators tell stories about the science and they 401 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.599