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is hard. It turns out that it's not just the

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alpha and the omega. There's twenty two other letters in between,

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and they all make different words and different declensions. And I,

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for some reason forgot that I was an Episcopalian and

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didn't have to know any of this stuff. And I

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taking this Greek class and it's killing me.

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Speaker 2: Not what your country can do for you, ask what

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you can do for your.

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Speaker 1: Country, mister.

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Speaker 3: Tears down this wall.

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Speaker 4: Read my lips.

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Speaker 3: It's the Wigreshet vodcast with James Wilas, myself, Stephen Hayward

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himself and joining us again to other Rob Long, So

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let's set as a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Robin, Hi, and what's your name?

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Speaker 3: Matt had to ask who you are?

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Speaker 1: Because you have to be careful.

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Speaker 4: Never read too careful.

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Speaker 1: I agree, you'll never get bored with when we never

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get bored.

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Speaker 3: We're welcome everybody. It's the Ricochete Podcast number seven hundred

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and fourteen. I'm James Lovick's coming to you today on

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a microphone. I think somebody stole it. I mean, I

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know things are better in than the newspaper industry, but

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I don't think we're at the point yet where people

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start pawning things they find in people's desks. But we'll know,

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we'll figure out exactly what happens coming to you live

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from MacBook Air and coming to you from well, from

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someplace in an undisclosed place where I believe there was

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ceremonies and rituals. Perhaps maybe that he will explain to

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it his brother Rob and Stephen Hayward as well too. Steven, Rob,

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Welcome to both of you. Good to be here.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good to see you. James. Yeah, you do look

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like you're in some dark dungeon or something. Yes, I

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mean we.

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Speaker 1: Should let everybody know that this that the low quality

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audio for James Lilacs is like a specifically designed torture

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for him, like nobody else would care. But I know

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it's killing him because I can see like the veins.

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The video is good enough. I can see the veins

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on your forehead, just kind of getting like, oh, I'm

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getting whatever. I don't even know what the words would be,

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but I'm sure that's actually to the Stostrowe supplement.

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Speaker 3: I'm so Rod, You're back. Where are you?

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Speaker 1: Beat?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: As you know, James, I am. I'm a student now.

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I went back to school. I'm at the Princeton Theological Seminary.

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I am a graduate student surrounded by incredibly smart young

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people who have these incredibly moist brains that they can

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remember Greek stuff. I idiotically have elected to take Greek.

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I don't have to take Greek to be an ordained

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episcopal minister, which is sort of my think, my eventual

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end here. But I did it anyway because I, like,

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you know, Greek's important, and you know, if you don't

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know a little bit of Greek, then you're always at

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the mercy the people who do, and it's not a

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very good thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I find my son all the time at the

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mercy of people bluell Greek.

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Speaker 1: Well you do, and like you know, you're selling the

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New Testament. You find yourself thinking yourself, wa, wait, what

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was that word? And how did they use it? Like

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two verses back and two verses for.

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about the being easier for a rich man to for

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a camel to go through the needle that a rich

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Speaker 1: Many interpretations of that the beautiful parable, but they seem

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to center around mis translation and misunderstanding perhaps what.

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that there are some textual translation issues there that you

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of that. First, the most famous one, I think is

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in the world is the actually in the most famous prayer,

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the Lord's Prayer, where if you are a you know,

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larger debate, a Western Christian augustin Latin kind of Christian, right,

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it's deliver us from evil. And if you're kind of

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the neuter noun evil but as the masculine. So it's

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so deliver us from the evil one. And I may

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seem little, but it's like you know you but then

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you look back, Okay, well, how was this used? You

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using the rest of mark and all that's a Matthew, sorry,

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decline of Greek adjectives and the special cases of the

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word otos. And so I'm doing all right. And the

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something plus years. It helps you to realize you could

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sit down and write. You know, I can turn out

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you want twelve hundred words in an hour. I can

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do that. It's my job. I can do that. But

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they don't want it interesting. They want it like they

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Speaker 2: Although I have to say Rob that I've always preferred

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the Brooklyn version of the Lord's Prayer that culminates with

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lead us not into Penn Station.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, right.

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Speaker 4: Even the New Right you want to talk about evil

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and you know the pit of hell that captured it

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Speaker 2: But well, I can ask you this, this maybe a

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Speaker 4: I forget which conservative.

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Speaker 2: Illuminary twenty years ago described our colleges and universities as

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seminaries of intolerance.

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Speaker 4: And you're at an actual.

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Speaker 2: Seminary, right and now, of course it's not a place

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Speaker 4: But and you said before we started going live, you

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Speaker 2: And I think that seriously, because you know, you are

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most serious questions about the transcendent versus the which is

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the election, right.

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the student body and the faculty are pretty liberal.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not less concerned about that. But are people

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that are worked up about the election? Do they have

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grief counselors on speed dial and the event Trump wins

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secular and the seminary state of seminary, and the seminary

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a seminary for the Presbyterian Church. Is not really a

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don't think it's just Princeton or Princeton Seminary. Other discools

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definitely liberal and that and and some of it's some

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of it's liberal in a lovely way exactly isn't supposed

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riff wrath out. You're here for you know, people here.

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want to serve their church. And it's also academics and

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PhDs and people who have like are much more sort

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of you know, academic and brilliant. But the foundational thing

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doing and it's guiding us. And that is different, I

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think fundamentally from the secular institution across the street which

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sprints the university, which I think is extremely quiet these days.

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that the whatever, the whatever happens in a couple of

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is a different way to look at there's not a

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who wear a kafia and are concerned about what's happening

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who spoke at the convocation that lasted ten minutes and

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there was no rotating hunger strikes put it that way.

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that helps. It's like, you know, you don't hear you

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don't hear a lot of these things going on in

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STEM campuses, right because people like, well I got a

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plot problems that I got to do it U. So

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sense that like if you really get, if you're really

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thinking about bigger things, everything else seems like a smaller thing.

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basic human principle to take care of the poor, for example,

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to be aware of those less fortunate than yourselves, good

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thing to think about. It's how you do that that matters,

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and how you do that as a whole different series

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of expectations and assumptions about government, people and the rest

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of it. And I just wonder you, Rob can be

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that guy who says, yes, indeed, but what if an

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abundance society, what if prosperity, rising tide and all the

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rest of that. What if that is the most efficacious

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means to securing liberty, justice, and abundance for all? And

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what if we do that by removing the state's intercession

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so that individuals, I mean, they're good. Look at you

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like this, this thing coiled around a tree that's saying

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there's an apple. There's a really tasty apple. Why don't

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you take a bite out of that? I mean, well,

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can really be the you know, the dark prints of

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this whole thing? Would they regard you as such? If

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you started talking about these things. That's a very interesting

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question in your squishy manification.

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Speaker 1: Here's the good news. The good news for that I've

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this is just what I've encountered, but that there was

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a lot of talk at the beginning, spent the beginning

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semester and for the new students with me of the

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diversity of opinion that they're going to encounter. And one

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professor actually said, look, you're going to be in this class.

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class who vote differently from you, who think differently from you,

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who worship differently from you, and that is what makes

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something else. And I remember thinking like, wow, that's really amazing.

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hadn't started yet. I couldn't tell. Is this something to

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tell the conservatives, hey listen, you keep your whatever? Or

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keep your mits off the conservative I don't know. I

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couldn't tell. What I discovered later was that part of

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it is just what happens is that this is a

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very popular place to come, unlike sort of these other

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to the big divinity schools in the country, one at

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Harvard and the one at Yale. This is a place

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to come if you actually believe in something and you

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actually have some kind of faith. Really, I mean, I

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don't even mean that as a joke. And so people

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come and Princeton has just traditionally the Princeton University has

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come from this. There are a lot of people here

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from the South, and I think the warning has always

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class with people, and your professors are academics, believing academics,

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but academics, and you're going to learn stuff that you

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may not have encountered in your time in your you know, church,

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for instance, the very distinct, different separate creation stories that

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begin the book that we call the Bible. Right by

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chapter three, you're already confused. And that is part of

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the you know, as they say in software development, that

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is as a feature, not a bug. And you're just

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gonna have to put up with that because I think,

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enthusiastic students coming here from very very very committed faith backgrounds,

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and they come and they spend you know, semester reading

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the Old Testament, which a lot of people haven't done,

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and or reading the Hebrew or reading the Greek and

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then the New Testament and then having a freak out

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Speaker 1: It's all been a lie. And they, you know, they

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call home and usually they're often there's a parent there

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or a grandparent or male relatives as a pastor, and

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they're like, they turned me, they said, sometimes these things

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they turn these absolutely one hundred percent faithful Christians into

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total atheists. And we didn't want to do that either,

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but they do want you to read the book because

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it's the book, and the book's complicated, and so so

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question who parts the Red Sea with a clear cut answer,

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and that again, that's like, I don't know, that's we're

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still we're still talking about the primeval history here, I mean,

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not primary host. We're telling out you know, the early

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we're confused, Like all right, so I love that part because,

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as you know, I'm I'm mister squishy in the middle.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's great, because I would hate to think that

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the diversity of the opinion means people who believe in

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taxing unrealized capital gains above five hundred thousand versus people

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who believe in taxing it about six hundred thousands. We've

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got all all walks of life periity theologically, would you say,

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and I'll leave it at this, because we could just

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sit here talk. We do have an election. Parure is,

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do you are most of the people who are coming

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to the school, uh episcopalian? Would you say that they're

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more inclined to Biblical literalism or more inclined to sort

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of the idea that it's a set of tales divinely

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inspired mind you, but nevertheless not a not a direct

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transcription of what happened. We're not talking seven days. We're

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talking seven days describing a vast period of time that

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only God can comprehend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I think, I think, I don't. I

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don't really know. I don't know. I suspect that the

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the thing about Biblical literalists are the univocalists. Maybe is

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that it's a hard time. You have a hard time

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if you're reading the actual Bible, because it's it's got

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it's the guy, all these doublets and all these little

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things in it that just seem like, okay, well this

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is I see here where the key author of the

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Old Testament came in and you know, the put it

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this in front of the thing. And I could say

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the exit is a perfect example because you have, like

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this the story of the of leaving Egypt, which is

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this great adventure tale, and then that's the first half,

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and then you have this song in the middle of it,

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which is ancient and older than anything. And then the

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second part, the third part of it, on the other

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side of it is this list of laws, the rules,

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and they didn't all come at the same time. And

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so that's kind of looks lovely about it. And I mean, look,

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the Bible can that was a pretty good book. It

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couldn't stand up.

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Speaker 3: As a screen runner. That must be you know, frustrating

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for you first acts, great steps and up we wondered,

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yeah right now literally wanders a little in the second part.

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The third act got a really clinching so she even

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do you have anything else on the subject because I like,

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I like, I say, I look forward to a Rob

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long podcast that is extent, that is, that is exclusively

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devoted to his experience. Was at the school.

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to talk to him at least after the first year's

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under your belt.

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Speaker 4: I mean, not just yet.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we get into things like you know,

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Carl Bart versus Thomas Aquinas.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go out right right. Well.

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is either literal reading or you know, figurative reading, And

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it seems to me depends on what you mean by literal.

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accept its premise that it's divinely inspired and your revelation

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from God. If you start there, then it seems to

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me you don't have to have the position that it

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literally meant a seven to twenty four hour days creation,

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since the sun wasn't created to what the third day, right,

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which which defies our sort of categories there.

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Speaker 4: But once you accept that it's serious.

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Speaker 2: Then it seems to me that that dichotomy of the

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what we sometimes say the fundamentalists who take every word literally.

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it much more deeply and seriously, I think. And I'll

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just stop there because I will say I did read

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Leon Cass's book on Genesis.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you know that book.

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Speaker 1: No, I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ah, it's worth reading.

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Speaker 2: Sequel on Exodus that will also be fine.

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Speaker 4: It may be done by now, I'm not sure, but you.

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Speaker 1: Could be there forever. I mean, you could spend the

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lifetime studying the first two chapters of this Bible.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 3: The great thing is at the end of it, rob

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I suppose, and your your last classes on revelations, which

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the end of it, you know everything. That's the

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great dandy.

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Speaker 3: Way to wrap out the show right there with the

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six heads and all the rest, and requires the trumpets. Well,

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great pin in that move on next topic, elections, anybody

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has been captured following what Kabalahara said in her recent appearances,

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where there seems to be a great uneasiness settling in

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on some parts of the left that she may not

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be able to close the deal.

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Speaker 1: That may be the.

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Speaker 3: Joy of Brad Summer has evaporated and people are seeing

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somebody who just really isn't up to the task. What

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do your sense from the nation's reaction and eventual injudication

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of the merits of Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think they I have to say

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that her team was right. What right when they kept

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her out of interviews, they kept her from talking. That

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was a turns out that was a pretty good strategy.

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really easy questions from incredibly sympathetic interviewers, and she just

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doesn't seem to have some kind of she seems doesn't strange.

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I'm actually from Kamala Harris, who I you know, like

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she didn't arrive here. I mean, as hard as his

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believer in live, you're an unaccomplished person. She was a

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prosecutor and she ran a statewide. It wasn't a great

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state wide, but she ran a statewide. And so she's

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she knows how to think on her feature clearly does

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because she was on to what to trials. She was

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in court. So this, this terror and almost choosing to

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say nothing to me is the most terrible I can

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put it is that it's just the terror of running

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a going from basically small time elections to running big

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time elections where you're in charge instead of taking orders.

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just a deeply unserious person, which I think is also

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true she does. But I think that's a third thing happening,

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which is like, I don't think I don't think that

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she thinks that she needs to do any of this

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or have any of this. Is what I find most

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disturbing is that I don't think she thinks of these

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things as deficiencies. She thinks she's just gonna, like, I'm

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just have to do this to get become president. But

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when I'm president, I sit there and preside and gab

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and chit chat and run a meeting which I can run.

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say this as a member of my generation, because she's

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in my generation. She's a consultant, and she's running it

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like she's a McKinsey consultant, and so her answers are

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worth salid nonsense. You think well, I don't. I didn't.

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I'm not hiring a consultant. I'm hiring a president. And

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I think that to me is like that she's not

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even very good one. I mean, she wouldn't be at

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McKinsey or BCG or something. She'd be like one of

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the gray d ones because her word salads aren't that good.

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But I've been around enough consultants to know that they

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can talk for thirty minutes and it sounds good, but

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it means nothing. And she could talk for thirty minutes

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and it doesn't sound good. But she's She's right. She

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is the generation of Americans that believe that the highest

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form of enterprise is a consultancy. And unfortunately that is

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not the job that she is auditioning for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep expecting her to offer concave solutions to

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Speaker 4: I feel consultantly right, Yeah.

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we can talk about the polls if you want, but

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the body language of the body politic is clearly Satanly.

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Discomfort on all sides with her and her brat summer

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has become as I'm calling it, a splat fall. And

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look I mean, I've talked about this before, I think,

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but look, her reputation in California is that she was

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a terrible boss. I've known people who work for in

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the agency's office, Democrats, career Democrats who hate her and

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said she was just the most horrible person to work for.

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She had what ninety two percent turnout I'm sorry turnover

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and the vice presidential staff.

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Speaker 4: And that's an amazing thing because people killed have those.

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Speaker 2: Jobs in the White House and they're willing to put

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up with a lot of misery to be the center

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of the action there.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: And then finally there was a story that came out

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a few months ago that now I think you mentioned

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that she took a couple of days off to prepare

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for the CNN town hall where she did miserably.

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Speaker 4: The story out three or four months ago that.

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Speaker 2: Sometime in the last couple of years, she was invited

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to one of Davis Bradley's famous salage. Now David Bradley,

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for listeners don't know, he was a big He used

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to own The Atlantic before Marene Palell jobs bought it.

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has a big house up on Embassy Row I think

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in Massachusetts Avenue and he has these salons, were invited

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to dinner.

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Speaker 4: It's all high powered people.

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Speaker 2: She was so nervous about going that she had her

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staff do a rehearsal dinner for and they thought about, well,

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maybe we should actually serve wine at these rehearsals, so

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you know, what kind of what are people going to

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be asking me? What do I need to talk about?

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going to what ought to be a layup for anybody

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in Washington, because everybody in Washington, I mean I lived

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there fifteen years, James has been there, you know, the

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Georgetown cocktail party to aspire to and it's easy. There

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was no pressure on her whatsoever. But she was nervous

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about it, which shows that she's not ready for prime time.

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And we can go on all day about that.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just say I'm saying, can I just buy?

479
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I want to? It's I'm just taking as a given,

480
00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,000
which maybe maybe not, but I when you say somebody

481
00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:06,960
is just dumb, then that is over right. It is dumb, right,

482
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,240
And like, okay that she's dumb. I don't think she's dumb.

483
00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:12,440
I mean you know, she passed the bar. She't all

484
00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:14,400
though it wasn't great law school, all us things. You know,

485
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:16,480
I just did a podcast with John Padrit's, and you know,

486
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:19,680
John Panriits is very very critical of her, like she's

487
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,039
an idiot. And I get it. I get that answer,

488
00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:24,039
I get that answer. I just mean that to me,

489
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:31,759
it feels to me like she doesn't she she has

490
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,400
no courage, which you desperately need to join this campaign,

491
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:42,240
this this late. They're enormous. Her problem is really simple

492
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:46,319
as a political problem, it's not that hard. She needs

493
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,200
men and she needs moderates, that's it. And she needs

494
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,359
to paint the other guy as a lunatic. Well he's

495
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,319
gonna do that part himself, and all she needs is

496
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,839
that part. And she's just she seems to have a

497
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:02,160
hard time connecting to that. The boiler plate answers that

498
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,480
she could have given that, you could have memorized that,

499
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:08,599
aren't you know complicated? Are just show this kind of

500
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,279
terror and fear and unwillingness to sort of act like

501
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,920
she wants it. You know, it's a weird way. It's

502
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,640
almost like she thinks that, Okay, well I'm gonna be

503
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,920
It's like a gig. It's like, no, you have to

504
00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:22,200
have a you have to want to take the country

505
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,440
in a direction. You know, when you if you answer

506
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,279
a question, hey, look this is a very complicated question,

507
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:29,680
then you have to give me a complicated answer. You

508
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:35,119
can't just you know. I find it. I find amazing.

509
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,200
Look at her now. It's how terrible this campaign has

510
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,079
become because it started so great. I mean, you got

511
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:40,599
to give him credit. Sure has a billion dollars. She

512
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,359
made all the right phone calls. She looked really good.

513
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,359
I mean I was saying a month ago, you know,

514
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,599
weirdly about her. She's actually good at this, and it's

515
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:50,160
all kind of you know what, It's all kind of evaporated,

516
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,920
the way it does when the consultant packs up and

517
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,799
leads and the company's left to actually make the things work.

518
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: She was good at when everybody saw the picture, or

519
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,519
the big smiling picture, different kind of energy, so different

520
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:03,160
than the glowering orange amount and the rest of it.

521
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,440
A lot of that was just vibe and imagery. I

522
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,640
think part of the pride. I don't disagree with anything

523
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,160
either of you said, but I think part of her

524
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,720
problem or inability to compose herself well and impressively in

525
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:15,839
these interviews is that she's suffering, she's experienced in the

526
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:22,559
consequences of a lifetime of intellectuals. The disinterest is in

527
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,480
the world, lack of curiosity, isolation, isolation, but also lack

528
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:29,960
of curiosity. Just if somebody who's hungry about the world

529
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,799
will know enough about it to be able to be

530
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:33,720
asked for a few minutes when the question is asked,

531
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,960
he'll have a template about that issue in their head

532
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,160
because their mind has ranged by view of the places.

533
00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:42,599
That's just kind of what you would like to expect

534
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,160
she doesn't have.

535
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: I mean, right, but I mean Bill, if I could interrupt,

536
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,400
I mean Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Remember both had

537
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,839
taught constitutional law in law schools, Clinton Arkansas and Obama

538
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,319
in Chicago. And I know people in classes from Obama

539
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,519
at Chicago Law School, and.

540
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,079
Speaker 4: They said he knew what the conservative arguments were.

541
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,319
Speaker 2: Us to read Robert Borke in our classes with him,

542
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,279
so they knew what the other side thought. I don't

543
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:06,799
think Harris has ever for a moment picked up a

544
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:09,319
copy of National Review or any other or heard anything

545
00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:10,720
certain argument ever, Right.

546
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I find it very baffling. I mean, and

547
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:18,240
especially I mean, because it's like we're looking these two

548
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:26,519
desperately bad circus bears grappling, and you know, like last week,

549
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,480
suddenly Trump goes to McDonald's.

550
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:30,599
Speaker 3: Oh.

551
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: Rob, you, as a show business person, you have to

552
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,279
thought that was a master stroke.

553
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: It was brilliant. Oh, I totally. I think it was

554
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,839
absolutely But but I thought to myself, like it took them.

555
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,039
How long? It's October fifteen, whatever, he was October twentieth.

556
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,920
It's a couple of weeks for the election, and this

557
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,720
is the first time this guy has done this. The

558
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:54,480
laziness with which that campaign has, like, well, let's give

559
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,240
another rally, give another rally. No, no, no, you put

560
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,359
him and McDonald's. I would take him to Costco. I

561
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,079
would put him. I would have him do the checkout

562
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,440
at home depot. I would have this guy, this billionaire,

563
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:08,720
orange billionaire, at every real job in America once a week.

564
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,279
Don't do the stupid rallies where he blathers and lies

565
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:15,799
his way through fifty minutes of nonsense. He was great

566
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,720
at McDonald's, and people, the voters like to see that

567
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,759
the president knows what a McDonald's looks like inside. And

568
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,079
I mean, yeah, he was there fifteen minutes he made

569
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,759
some jokes that should have been I tell you, I

570
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:31,799
honestly believe from labor day on, he had the job

571
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,720
a week and not a stupid, embarrassing, insulting rally, he'd

572
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:37,599
be twenty points up.

573
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,079
Speaker 3: He would have to be a job a week because

574
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:41,680
people absolutely would forget the next thing. I mean, we've

575
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,359
moved on past the assassination attempts pearled, and he would

576
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,279
have to. You're right, Rob, do this every single day,

577
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,160
rotate through all of the various franchises, sparing nothing. He'd

578
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,079
love it too. I mean, just imagine the jokes, the

579
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:57,000
self deprecating jokes. Who could be done if you put

580
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,440
on the orange apron. You know, you just sit there

581
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:05,079
and talk about it. Matches. Before we go any farther, though,

582
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,319
I'm going to welcome Rob back by forbidding him the

583
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,039
opportunity to bust my segue. I'm simply going to go

584
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,680
right into a spot.

585
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, listen, I want to say this, James. I,

586
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,799
as you know, I'm I'm on my way to taking

587
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:22,480
religious orders. So I'm trying to take take seriously the

588
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:25,039
only two commandments that we as Christians have to follow,

589
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:29,160
which is one is God, honor your God, basically gratitude,

590
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,640
and the second is to love your neighbor. And so

591
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:36,640
in the spirit of that, I'm I'm not going to

592
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,000
interrupt your sege to your spot.

593
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,519
Speaker 3: It is a philosophical disquisition I would love to have

594
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,039
if somebody is saying they are not interrupting your spot,

595
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,799
but yet they are interrupting your spot. Does intention count

596
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,279
or does the effect of their actions? We can talk

597
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:50,319
about that a little bit, but.

598
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: It's a Christian paradox, James, is what I think.

599
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: Certainly, there's no paradox when it comes to data security.

600
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,000
You need it, you want it, and it's a big

601
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,079
problem when.

602
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Speaker 1: You interrupt somebody's spot. You know it, I mean, you

603
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:05,640
do it. You just go right to like you with intention,

604
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,480
that's the most important thing. That's actually the most important

605
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,000
thing theologically I think see is intention is like this

606
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is what I have. You know this is there's no

607
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half metage anyway, right, you were something, you're right.

608
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Speaker 3: But if someone believes actually that their interruption is actually

609
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improving that it's a bit that is a joid by all.

610
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Then there's a little bit of the overweening ego in

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Ricochet podcast. And I wonder, however, if it's in kung Yee,

646
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I want to see, you know, the the Italian language

647
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:22,519
lessons that I took back in college would make me

648
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:26,160
want to in clung Yee, but probably not. And anybody

649
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,160
who speaks of telling me is probably just wet themselves

650
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,000
in my accent. All right back to the election that

651
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,720
we have now. Rob was saying that it'd be a

652
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:36,759
great thing if Trump continued to do this, but the

653
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,559
blowback would be so delicious. I mean the fact that

654
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:43,920
that one McDonald's trip generated so many pieces of hair

655
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,920
on fire about. You know, he wasn't wearing a hairnet.

656
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:50,279
Two of them. I saw about that. Somebody else went

657
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:51,480
back and pulled the records to see what.

658
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,559
Speaker 1: You know, It's not real hair. It's an antibacterial, micro

659
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,480
antimicrobial fiber.

660
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: Well I would like to know that. But you know,

661
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,319
for being the most vetted candidate in modern history, somehow

662
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,559
we haven't gotten around to the microfiber nature of it's here.

663
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:10,960
But they don't see the latest thing, of course. And

664
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,240
I'm going to say something which I know it was

665
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,920
going to be shocking to you guys, but it appears

666
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,920
to me as if they're trying to make Donald Trump

667
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,079
sound like Hitler I know, I know, or a fascist.

668
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: Now we all are old.

669
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: Enough to note that every single president of a Republican

670
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,599
nature in our lifetime has been Hitler, and I was

671
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,680
the one. If you go back and search in Lexus nexus,

672
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,359
I am convinced that the first mention of this phrase

673
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:39,240
is mine a long time ago, which was in the future,

674
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:44,440
everyone will be Hitler for fifteen minutes. And I mean

675
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,079
Reagan was Hitler Bush Hitler the one word I and

676
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,160
Kamala Harris I believe gave a speech today what she

677
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,519
called them a fascist. And these people have very little

678
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,839
understanding what fascists I mean other than it's the things

679
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,640
I don't like, and they know they don't. They don't

680
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,799
like it, so I'll give it to you. Then is

681
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,960
ninth time to charm? So the old Hitler fascist thing.

682
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 4: He would have thought that at some point, let's do this.

683
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: Let's stipulate that Trump is as awful as they say

684
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,119
he is, or that Rob sometimes says he is.

685
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 4: I think he's not. But all right.

686
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: The point is, you would would have thought that somebody

687
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,719
in the democratic hierarchy would at some point have read

688
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,920
the old fable of the little Boy who Cried Wolf

689
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,840
and reflect that they shouldn't have made such damn fools

690
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,400
out of themselves. Going back seventy years now, by the way,

691
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,639
I have all receipts on this. The first instance I

692
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:40,639
can find was nineteen forty when Henry Wallace, in a

693
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,280
Democrats charged that Wendell Wilkie. He was an old one world, right,

694
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,320
Wendell Wilkie was Hitler's preferred candidate in the election that year.

695
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,960
And by the Hitler was a real thing going in nineteen.

696
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: Forty, right. I can't remember this from the history books. Yeah,

697
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,440
and then you know Tom Dewey was Hitler.

698
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: That's what Harry Truman said actually right about the same

699
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,000
week in the ninth forty eight election cycle, late October.

700
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: And then Goldwater.

701
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,039
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean I go on for pages

702
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:07,559
about all the ways that he was made out to

703
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:09,000
be Hitler, and any go on down the list.

704
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:11,039
Speaker 4: You know, Regulus Hitler. Right.

705
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: The only Republican who has never called Hitler was Eisenhower.

706
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,559
If you think about it for two seconds, it's hard

707
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:18,559
to make it stick on the guy who actually routed

708
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:20,360
Hitler on the battlefield.

709
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Speaker 1: Right, right, right.

710
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,159
Speaker 4: But so, I mean, I think they made damn fools

711
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:23,960
of themselves saying this.

712
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: They can't seem to come up with anything original, and

713
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:27,760
it just shows their desperation.

714
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 4: In my mind, they just said one other things. Well,

715
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,079
I'll stop there, let roam on the Hitler.

716
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say the fashion thing to think

717
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:39,679
about fascism is like, I mean, okay, stipulate that fascism

718
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,559
is bad. We don't like it, but it doesn't seem

719
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:47,159
like it's not much of a you know, it's like racist,

720
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:50,320
you know, it's like okay, yeah, it's have any value.

721
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,760
And I don't think it's connecting to the voters the

722
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,880
way what you want to do. What she's just they're

723
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,840
failing at that one thing, which is we've seen it.

724
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,000
We've seen this movie already, the Trump movie. She's change,

725
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,840
She's going to bring back change. We need change. Turn

726
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,639
the page. He's exhausting and crazy and and incompetent in

727
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:15,599
many ways, and there's a little bit of a trap

728
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,039
there for him for them because, in my opinion, the

729
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:24,199
thing that disqualifies him the most, aside from post election nonsense,

730
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,320
is his handling of COVID, which was atrocious and wrong.

731
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,159
But they agreed with it. So that's the problem, right, really,

732
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,199
was that they agreed with everything he did. They were applauding,

733
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,000
like if you could shut down the country more, they

734
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,480
would like to do that. Like Trump, Davin knew some

735
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,159
plan for the United States economy was to destroy it.

736
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,599
Speaker 4: He wasn't fast enough about COVID.

737
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. I mean, we need a little Ronda

738
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,480
Santis Brian Kemp to keep the trains run on time

739
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,880
in this country and so they but they're not connecting

740
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,719
to what they should be connecting to. And weirdly he

741
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,679
isn't either. But I think he's going to start. But

742
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,719
I just to me, it's just it's it's it's banana.

743
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,480
It's like it's like a faculty lounge argument, which they

744
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,079
still don't know is not America.

745
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:13,639
Speaker 2: Well, the approximate cause of this, the charge of this

746
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:17,800
week is that General Flynn said that Trump said.

747
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 4: I wish I had generals Lelly Doenal Kelly Sorry, oh god.

748
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that Flynn was the one that yeah, yeah, very general.

749
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 4: Maybe he is the kind of okay.

750
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,639
Speaker 2: The point is that apparently Trump can't name a single

751
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,239
World War two German general.

752
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,559
Speaker 4: Apparently he never heard of Irwin Rommel when somebody brought

753
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:37,360
him up. So I mean, really, you take this seriously?

754
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: Uh and oh Trump said this four years ago now

755
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:45,119
and we're only hearing about it now two weeks before

756
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:45,599
an election.

757
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,559
Speaker 4: Gosh, that seems awfully convenient, doesn't it.

758
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 3: Maybe he was saying that he just wanted to, you know,

759
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,079
the sort of generals will leave a bomb under the table. Yeah,

760
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,800
that's right, and take a phone call outside.

761
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

762
00:37:57,679 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 3: I mean, part of the problem is that we already

763
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,960
had four years of Donald Trump and he did not

764
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:03,519
annex the sedateent Land.

765
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: The Battle on b As one of their typical classic headlines,

766
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,960
it was Democrats tell us Trump wanted to be Hitler

767
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,920
in his first term but simply forgot right.

768
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: Indeed, well, the whole idea of nothing outside the state, nothing,

769
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,599
that basic fascist concept is not something that sticks well

770
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:28,400
on the right, because the left is very very progressives,

771
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,519
are very proud to tell us how much everything should

772
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:33,519
be gathered into the loving and embrace of the states,

773
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,119
of the village, of the rest of it. We must

774
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,639
have collective effort for climate change, we must have collective

775
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:41,159
effort to reduce systemicisms, and all the rest of it.

776
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:43,719
I mean, they're all about using the instruments of the state,

777
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,360
maximum powered in order to force course change human behavior.

778
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,159
So I find it amusing when they make that charge,

779
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,199
still believing somehow in their heart of hearts that it's

780
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,800
nineteen sixty eight and that they're the party of just

781
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,920
nothing but free love and absolute, total free expression and

782
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:01,039
freedom for all the rest of it when they've morphed

783
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,480
into the very sort of authoritarian apparatus that they supposedly

784
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:09,960
aided in sixty eight. But moving beyond Trump and Kamala

785
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:16,159
something even more important British election interference in American politics.

786
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,159
This is a weird, strange story, and Steven, I think

787
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,039
you might be the one to describe it for people.

788
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Kier Starmer the new Prime Minister of Britain

789
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,239
with the one of the largest labor landslides ever. They've

790
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,559
got like four hundred and twenty five seats on the

791
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:34,039
six hundred and fifty.

792
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:34,559
Speaker 4: That you have in the House.

793
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: And by the way, the opinion polls show that Starmer

794
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,400
is more unpopular than any new prime minister has been

795
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,760
in the last fifty sixty years.

796
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,119
Speaker 4: I mean, he's cratering already.

797
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,559
Speaker 2: And in the midst of this, he decides that he

798
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:50,719
and his party they want to come over en mass,

799
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,360
like one hundred members of the House of Commons want

800
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,119
to come over and campaign for Kamala Harris. Now there's

801
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,320
two things about this. Where are the screams of foreign

802
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,000
interference in our elections? And second, how stupid could Starmer

803
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:06,559
be I mean, with all the momentum right now behind

804
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:08,519
Trump and the likelihood that Trump is going to win,

805
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,000
why would you want to alienate for no good reason

806
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:14,440
of your own the next president of the United States,

807
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,280
who you're gonna have to deal with about Ukraine and

808
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,119
the European.

809
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: Union and all kinds of other things.

810
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,159
Speaker 2: It's just to me, is this shows how incredibly inept

811
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,079
a Starmer is as a political leader.

812
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: I was just over there, and you're right, he's not loved.

813
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,360
And there are a series of steps that were being

814
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:31,800
towered in the Telegraph. Yeah, I know the Telegraph, but

815
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,840
it's not exactly a raping right wing paper. The Telegraph

816
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,559
was noting that there's been a series of art movements

817
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,239
in number ten Downing Street paintings that have been removed. Yeah,

818
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,199
because they have the wrong message. Sir Walter Rawley, he's

819
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:47,519
out Elizabeth first, she's out of here.

820
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: Slavery for both of them.

821
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: Gladstone I think got the boot at some point. She

822
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,320
took down Margaret. He took down Margaret Thatcher's painting, right,

823
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,880
because there's it on the wall, and he says she

824
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,679
had nothing to do with her politics. He just didn't

825
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,000
like paintings in which someone was looking down on him,

826
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,199
And I thought, if you took thatcher's portrait and put

827
00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:04,280
it on the floor, it would still be looking down

828
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,840
on you, mister Jover. The other thing that he recently

829
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,280
took out was William Shakespeare. Apparently that one had to

830
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,159
go and is going to be replaced by something that's

831
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:16,599
a little bit more diverse, Walkie Sparkly, et cetera. They

832
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,719
took all of the paintings of men out of eleven

833
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,039
Downing Street, a meeting room where they meet four people,

834
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,320
and it replaced them with women or pictures of women,

835
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,159
in order to show their commitment to empowering the rest

836
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:31,440
of it. So these are kind of tone deaf things.

837
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:34,199
There are statements that you make to placate a certain

838
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,639
number of your base, but they don't. They fall like

839
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,480
a cold coal on the floors of the rest of

840
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:43,559
the people in the country. You are wondering exactly why

841
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,400
this was necessary exactly to do, But that's what you

842
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,880
get from all the year zeroach type. We think it's

843
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,360
bad over here, there are There was a proposed legislation

844
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:58,360
that new rules to govern whether or not a pub

845
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:04,840
owner an obligation to interfere when the banter between some

846
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,440
mates in the back having a pint becomes injurious to

847
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,800
the sensibilities of various protected groups. It's in order to

848
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,840
keep the workers health and safety. Of course, that they

849
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,239
might themselves having their ears upbraided by an off color

850
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,800
joke would suffer harm and distress. So now there's talk

851
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,760
of the publitions have to be banter cops, that everybody

852
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,800
has to look around their shoulder and see if there's

853
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,679
somebody who's taking down what they said in the local boozer.

854
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:34,880
And you know, I talked to people who can labor

855
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,199
all their life and they just they grit their teeth

856
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:40,440
and they just sort of despair of this nonsense ever ending.

857
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I remember years this is sort

858
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,199
of somewhat similar. But years ago when New York City

859
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:51,559
had a smoking in Restaurants ordinance, and of course it

860
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:53,920
went it got you know, everybody knew it was going

861
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,920
to happen, and those restaurant owners hated it because it's like,

862
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,639
come on, let me just do anything. And you had

863
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:01,239
to go when you went in a restaurant, you're, oh,

864
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,840
I'm an old man, right, Remember when you go to

865
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,480
a restaurant, they go smoking or non r and oh,

866
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,000
it doesn't matter because the smoking section non smoking section.

867
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,039
And of course it was like masks no masks. It

868
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:12,079
was stupid because like there'd be a table that was

869
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:13,599
in the smoking section next to a table that was

870
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,960
a non smoking section one. But you had to designate

871
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,840
a certain number of tables, a certain amount of things

872
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,480
you had to have, like the smoking area had to

873
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,880
be like it was incredibly, incredibly onerous, and the city

874
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,039
Council Andre Sultaner, the great chef Andrea Sultner, who ran

875
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,320
one of the best restaurants ever called Lutesse. You know,

876
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,880
he cooked almost every meal there for thirty plus years.

877
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,559
When he retired. It was a front pace show of

878
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:42,159
the New York Times. When he retired and his uh,

879
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:43,480
somebody asked his wife, well, what are you gonna do

880
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:44,960
with all your free time now? And she said She'd

881
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,440
live in New York City for thirty three years because

882
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,519
you know, I've always wanted to see a Broadway play.

883
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,119
But of course she could ever see one because she

884
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,239
was always working anyway, So he went down to town

885
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,000
Hall and he was like arguing against this, He said,

886
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,480
what are you doing. I've run a restaurant in the

887
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:03,360
city for thirty years. I think I know best how

888
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,440
to keep my customers happy. I think I know how

889
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,239
to run a restaurant. Why are you telling me how

890
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,480
to run a restaurant? And they looked at him, they

891
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,440
acted like he was like from he was, well, what's

892
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,719
the worst thing you could be? Like he was some

893
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,480
kind of fascist, right, he was to bliedly Right, He's like,

894
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,840
if I don't if I don't serve my customers, they

895
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,880
will not come. That is the only regulation I need.

896
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,800
And he was right, And it's the same thing. But

897
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,880
these pub owners like, if I let things get out

898
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,280
of hand and I don't step in. Everybody who's ever

899
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,559
been behind the bar knows there's a time when you

900
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,760
step in, there's a time when you people away. That's

901
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,199
the job of a bartender, partly like you don't need

902
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,920
a commission to tell you how to do that, and

903
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,400
if you do, you're going to be out of business

904
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:47,920
soon anyway.

905
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: So if there's one thing that the Ale of Britain

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we go, gentlemen, anything else that you would like to

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discuss elon musk say anything this week that we should

948
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be worried about. I'm never really worried about anything that

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00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:52,840
he says. I mean, he'll repost something on next Twitter

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and then say either wild or two exclamation points, and

951
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from that I'm supposed to infer that he too is

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hit or his handbath.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually I make a comment on Rob's point and

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your question about having a commission to regulate what goes

956
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on in pubs. Look, you know, I always show to

957
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students the public opinion polls showing the complete collapse and

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confidence in our institutions. And one of the reasons for

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that is that our government is no longer competent of

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doing its basic task like, oh, I don't know, policing

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the streets, providing quality public education, of picking up the garbage. Right,

962
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But they want to start policing what we think and

963
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what we say because their competence apparently extends.

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Speaker 4: Into that right and people.

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Speaker 2: I think this is why people don't respect their institutions anymore,

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as they aren't any good.

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Speaker 4: And the media same thing.

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Speaker 2: Right, people can see that the media is completely partisan

969
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and superficial and so forth, and that explains I think

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some of Trump's appeal, and he's crude about it, but

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when he says we never win again, I think a

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lot of people import into that exactly, that sentiment that gush, no,

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nothing seems to work. That's supposed to work. And meanwhile

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they're telling us we have to wear masks, pa is

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what we say, We're gonna censor Twitter and so forth.

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And so here's where let me try this, James. I'm

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gonna see if I can reach concord with brother Rob's

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and I don't know if we're gonna see the election.

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Speaker 4: Brother Rob.

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Speaker 2: But let's let's stipulate the that that Trump may not

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deserve to win. For all of the criticisms that you

982
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and many others make, but I believe the left richly

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00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:26,440
deserves to lose to Trump. Not just a Republican, they

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deserve to lose to Trump.

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Speaker 1: Great, that's a theological question that meant to be right. Well,

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I don't you know, I don't think anybody deserves you know,

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I believe in salvation by grace. I'm not sure that.

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Speaker 4: Well, we may need that after Trump wins.

989
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Speaker 1: But I think that we I think that we as

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a country and as a culture, deserve President Trump or

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President Harris. I don't think these are two of our

992
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,039
best choice. Is I don't thin they're two of our

993
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:03,119
best leaders. I think we're kind of in a decadent

994
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phase where we think that all the questions are small

995
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,679
and little and they can be sort of either insulted

996
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:11,599
away on X or words slided away and some other way.

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And I think that we, you know, we the country

998
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kind of agrees, right. And what I what I what

999
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,599
I object to about from my liberal friends is this

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00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:28,079
idea that this is somehow new and oh those you

1001
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:30,719
suddenly discovered this like and it just drives me up

1002
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,840
the wall because it's like, this is not new. This

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00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,920
this the the stupefication of American and political conversation is

1004
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,440
something that's I mean, I hate sounding like the kids

1005
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,519
saying you started it, but you started it and congratulations

1006
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:47,119
because you the left. And I think in many ways

1007
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:52,079
that the institutional left, which simply operated on the assumption

1008
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that the grown ups will always be in charge, the

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00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:57,679
grown ups always hold me back. I could do whatever

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I want. I'm a spoiled kid, and it's okay cause

1011
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,239
Daddy's Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna pull me back from

1012
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,800
the abyss. They're gonna they're gonna keep this from getting

1013
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,440
too weird. So you know, we can say nasty, horrible,

1014
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,800
ridiculous things about President George W. Bush or President HW

1015
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Bush for that matter, or Mitt Romney or anybody we want,

1016
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,039
and we can go way over the top on that.

1017
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But you know that's okay because we're the kids and

1018
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we're allowed to do that, and the grown ups will

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00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,800
never do that. And now they've discovered now you've created

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a whole new political movement. You've energized the political but

1021
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,960
half the people like that half, but a huge part

1022
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portion of the energy and the Republican Party now are

1023
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people who are been Republican for about twenty five minutes.

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And that you created this, and you you set the

1025
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table for it, and now guess what people are coming

1026
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,280
to eat And they're not the people you expected. And

1027
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now you want to go You want to put the

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toothpaste back in the tube and say, oh no, can

1029
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:50,000
we just please go back to what it was like

1030
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,239
when it was nice? And if you're if you were

1031
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,039
a sentient conservative or even center right figure of a

1032
00:50:56,039 --> 00:51:01,480
certain age, you're like, well, you guys hated all the

1033
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:06,599
Republicans you love so much. You hated and vilified and

1034
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:09,280
called fascist, as James put it, So like, what do

1035
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,039
you expect me to do.

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00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: That was yesterday. It was yesterday, and yesterday is everybody deserves.

1037
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Speaker 1: Everybody deserves what they Everybody deserves what they're going to get,

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and they deserve to get a good and hard.

1039
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Speaker 3: Well. I'm not so inclined to believe. So I like,

1040
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,880
when I say that we deserve this, I don't think

1041
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:29,840
we do. But the very fact that everybody has chosen

1042
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,320
it willingly tells me that I'm probably wrong. But I'm

1043
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,400
many things. What I don't know is, am I, uh well,

1044
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,800
Robi you had a piece for commentary, but the Daily

1045
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,119
Wire Matt Walsh is, am I racist? Tell us a

1046
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:43,440
little bit about that on the way out.

1047
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, well, I mean, if you if you

1048
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,360
want to. I mean, in choises is the crisis of comedy.

1049
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,760
They're looking for comedy, know what makes people laugh? And

1050
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:56,599
Matt Walsh and I guess producer of The Daily Wire,

1051
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:59,760
Jeremy Boring, who's a really smart guy, and Ben Sapiro

1052
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,519
they sort of produced this movie. And Matt goes around

1053
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,360
and he has these I mean, it's like, I can't

1054
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,159
even I don't want to describe it. If you haven't

1055
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:11,920
seen it, treat yourself. It's it's the funniest movie you're

1056
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,800
gonna the funniest and truest movie you're gonna see it.

1057
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:17,880
And it confirms the things that we've all known, which

1058
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,199
is that the sort of TEI nonsense, it's nonsense, and

1059
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,719
that it's not really serious, and that those people are

1060
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,599
kind of like off their rocker. All that stuff is

1061
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,480
in this in this movie and it's and what I

1062
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,239
love about it is that not only is it does

1063
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,199
it do? I agree with it? And I am applauding

1064
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,039
to it. I'm also laughing at it because it's like

1065
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,360
genuinely funny, and it is a It is a financial

1066
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,480
box office success, which is great. That is good news

1067
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:44,960
for everybody.

1068
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: Really, what it says something about the bubble in which

1069
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:49,639
a lot of these people live. If somebody was saying,

1070
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:51,079
I want to do a movie on what is a

1071
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,079
conservative and they wanted to talk to me, and they

1072
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:55,960
called me up and I said sure, and I show

1073
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:59,960
up and it's John Stewart in a grout show. Glass

1074
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:03,280
is with the notes, And I would say, but you're

1075
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,599
John Sewart. Mel wolves can go to all these people

1076
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:11,119
and nobody ever says, I where have I seen you before? Oh?

1077
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:12,880
It was that movie about what is a woman? That

1078
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,400
was all over the place or it was that twitter

1079
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:17,559
the rest of it, no intersection whatsoever. That's the point

1080
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,800
non contiguous information streams. Steven, have you seen the movie?

1081
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,960
And if so, uh, why not?

1082
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:24,159
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1083
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 4: I know I have seen, but I haven't seen I

1084
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,519
haven't seen that, right, I haven't seen the whole.

1085
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 2: Thing yet, and I've been no good reason I was

1086
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,320
overseas whatnot. But at the point is is it used

1087
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,519
to be Michael Moore who was the funny guy who

1088
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:38,360
had ambushed and now our team is doing it just

1089
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,519
as well. And yeah, I mean Walls won't be able

1090
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,280
to get away with that many more times. But it's

1091
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,840
what you just say is they didn't know who he

1092
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,480
was and so they were utterly candid with him. Uh

1093
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:50,800
and you know, oh and of course the left, like

1094
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,639
the devil Rob hate to be mocked and laughed at.

1095
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, well, I mean, you know, then don't be

1096
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:02,840
so funny. There's a I started out as always commentary columns.

1097
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,880
I try to like talk more about show business than

1098
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,440
anything else. But reminding everybody this is great. There was

1099
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,239
great long running TV hit called Candid Camera, Right, Alan

1100
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,880
Funt did it for years if you're a certain age,

1101
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,800
not even that old, like you remember Alan Funt and

1102
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,000
his son Peter took over after Alan got too sick

1103
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:21,480
or too old. And there's always been Hayden camera shows

1104
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,519
on TV. There's Ashton Kutcher had punked and there was

1105
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:28,199
like a bunch of them, a bunch of them. And

1106
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:33,159
the tagline for Candid Camera was we catch people in

1107
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:37,480
the act of being themselves. And it was this wonderful, warm,

1108
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,400
funny thing like normal people being normal and it's just

1109
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,400
it's funny, it was, and that is exactly what Matt

1110
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,760
Walsh did. He caught people in the act of being

1111
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,159
themselves and they will never forgive for it.

1112
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: I believe that candid Camera grew out of candid microphone,

1113
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,000
which is on the radio, which is a whole different thing.

1114
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:56,039
It's like ventriloquism on the radio that release on how

1115
00:54:56,039 --> 00:55:00,519
that works. But ended camera, unfortunately, I think, sort of

1116
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:05,039
spawned prank culture, which is a lot more boorish and

1117
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,480
a lot more yeah, I mean, invasive and mean and

1118
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,159
the rest of it. But I too remember a candid

1119
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,360
camera when I was a kid at Grappa's place watching

1120
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,159
it on whatever night it was, and that's the sort

1121
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:16,280
of little giggle that people got when they realized that

1122
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,960
they were in this. And the very fact that an

1123
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:21,719
entire culture, i mean, the show was very popular. The

1124
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,880
idea that you might be on Can did Camera was

1125
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:30,079
sort of this omnipresent question in minds so bad millions

1126
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,880
and something weird happened for you for decades you thought

1127
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:36,000
you look around for the camera because Alan Tunt with

1128
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:38,519
a little bald paint might stick itself off from a

1129
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:40,800
potted plant. And you give you a big smile and said,

1130
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,760
you've just been on the national television back before the

1131
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,159
days where everybody, of course wanted to be an influencer

1132
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:49,880
and make full of themselves for absolutely no reason having

1133
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,760
done so, that might just myself here, No, for a

1134
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1137
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sponsoring the Ricochet podcast. We thank Rob Long for coming back.

1138
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,280
Of course, we thank Steven again a regular member of

1139
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,679
the Flagship podcast family. And we thank you for going

1140
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,679
to Apple last week and giving us those five star reviews. Really,

1141
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,719
we thank you you, on the other hand, who hasn't

1142
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,119
done it yet, go do it. And also, by the way,

1143
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,360
if you haven't joined Ricochet, this is a great time

1144
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,480
because we're having a lot of fun discussing the election

1145
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:27,559
and there are meetups in person. Yeah, and we're gonna

1146
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:29,639
have a lot of fun discussing the election afterwards too

1147
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:31,079
in the member feed. But you've got to be a

1148
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,079
member to be a member of the member feed, he said, tutologically,

1149
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,400
that'll do. Guys. It's been a lot of fun and

1150
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,199
I hope to see both of you next week. In

1151
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,760
the meantime, we'll see everybody in the comments at Ricochet

1152
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,480
four point.

1153
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Speaker 1: See you soon, PILs, Great to see you, Rob, Good

1154
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,360
to see you guys too. Yeah, bless you my sons.

1155
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