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Speaker 8: Then and now with your Squatching Holler hosts Roger Williams,
Amanda Stowers.
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Speaker 7: And now the show.
Speaker 3: Hey, Amanda, how you doing?
Speaker 9: I'm good? Roger, how are you today?
Speaker 3: Good? I saw on your Facebook y'all had a big week.
I had a big group. Yes, Scott and Sheila Granger
and a couple of famous people in the Bigfoot world.
Speaker 10: Yes, Scott and Sheila Granger for those who aren't familiar.
They run a squatch fitty excuse me, squatch fishing outfizzers
here in North Georgia, and they had a special expedition
where doctor Mayer and Russell Acord from the Expedition Bigfoot
TV show came out and did a expedition with some
of their crew and other people who signed up to
do it. Unfortunately I wasn't one of those. I wish
I could have done it, but life doesn't seem to
happen that way sometimes. But yeah, they come and visited
the museum for a little while. David of course is
there and got to meet him and talk to him.
I was there helping, you know, kind of keep the
museum up and running, so I didn't get to talk
to him as much as I would.
Speaker 9: Like, but it was still really really cool.
Speaker 10: You know, see people, you know, we're you know, people
on the TV with this stuff anyway.
Speaker 3: Right right, and you know you live in a hotspot
in North Georgia and we all know that, and our
tonight's guests are in the West Virginia area.
Speaker 9: Yes, I've expanded for that.
Speaker 3: And you know, the more we find out about some
of these Appalachian states. You know, Danny told us backstage,
you know, he he got into this, uh not too
long ago. He's like other people thought these things if
they existed. We're out west, and then you start finding
these little neighborhoods and these haulas, and people start telling
you stories and my goodness, it's it. There's more out
there than we than I ever realized, you know, growing up.
And I know the reports you take all the time.
You know, you're putting the dots and the pens on
the map, and I can just imagine what that map
looks like around y'all.
Speaker 10: It's pretty populated. We people keep asking all the time,
like is that a like where you visited from map?
And I'm like, no, that's a reporting map.
Speaker 3: Actually, okay, we're going back to whatever. But no, and
we we folk we when we started doing this, you know,
we wanted to focus mainly east of the Mississippi, but
we don't leave out other areas. But I'm tickled to
have these two guys. We'll just bring them in. Everybody, Uh,
just let Danny get his hat straighten up.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: Uh, we've got mister there, there you go, and mister
Danny Buckner. Thank y'all for coming on with us. Nice
to meet you. I met not in person, I don't think, Danny,
but we've you know, we've talked a lot messenger and stuff,
and less he's on mute, I think, yeah, yep, yep,
there you go, and nice to meet you, sir. I've
heard a lot of great things about you. And it's
funny you hear you hear different names, and you watch
shows and and it's it's wild getting to meet people,
you know, kind of face to face through technology and
share stories and all. And one thing this reason I
asked both to I asked Danny originally, and I got
to thinking about it. He had he had mentioned you,
and and we have people all the time say how
do you get into this? You know? And and I
tell them, first you got a you know, make contact,
but then you have to earn trust. And that's kind
of what happens when you guys. Can you tell me
how y'all y'all got together?
Speaker 7: Well, I'd been doing it for a few years now
and and uh, let me see here. Well it all
started at the uh flat Woods or the the Westerrginian
Bigfoot Festival flat Woods in Sutton, West Virginia, and Danny
came up and talk to me and and uh, well
first first, no, it was uh we were in sh
I was.
Speaker 3: Oh no, he was talking, you know, I was.
Speaker 2: I was, that's about.
Speaker 9: As southern as you get right there, like.
Speaker 3: We're just gonna you don't interrupt the man when he's
getting bacon off the bar.
Speaker 7: And and I my wife and I and my son.
We just we just finished and we were getting ready
to leave, and and this fellow pops out of the
men's bathroom and it's wife standing there, and he goes,
oh my god, Mary, and he yells my name and
I look over at him. And and then later at
the festival he comes up and we're talking and he said, hey,
y'all stop by the camp or later. And I'm like,
you know, I normally don't like go just you know,
strange strange people's cameras. But but Danny just I don't know,
he just seemed like one of those folks that you know,
he's got a good personality, he's fun to be around,
just that type of guy. I always joke with him
and say that Mary told me that, you know, if
she married him for his personalities, she just couldn't forget one.
It was, Oh, that's.
Speaker 3: That's why he fits in perfect with our groups. Then oh, yeah,
we're yeah, And so I noticed he sent me a
message and and of course I try to answer people back,
but y'all, you know, less probably knows, you know, how
many messages as you get, you know about and you'll
read it and you'll be busy and you forget to
go back to it. And he started send him more,
and we were interacting back and forth, and yeah, I
got a feeling that he was serious and really wanting
to get into this and asking good questions. And that's
that's the thing. If somebody's really wanting to learn it it,
you feel kind of obligated in a way to share,
because you know, not just everybody wants to get into this,
And when you have been in it for a while,
it's it's it's fun to bring people to new places
and have them hear a scream for the first time
and them jumping the truck and lock the doors on.
You know, it's like always care a second gateage set
of keys. People, so that happened to us. But Danny,
I know you said you found this this podcast by
accident one day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I found this one by by accident. And when
I first started, when in September of twenty three, when
I posted on Facebook, I found a Facebook a big
for a Facebook page. I said, has anybody seen or
heard anything in southern West Virginia. You know, I've just
I never expected anything out of it, And all of
a sudden, you know, eleven hits right there, you know,
people giving me names and podcasts and YouTube to watch.
Unlessons was one of them. West Virginia case. And I
started watching it and everything I could find out anything
that there was a podcaster on Facebook. I just started
digging into it. I'm like, it's fun still. And when
I had my experience and I got to talk to
Less about it, and then we once we met, I mean,
you know, he'll call me and he'll say, what are
you doing. I was like, not much. He said, let's
go out. I was like, okay, and just to you know,
go out in the woods with somebody like this and
to experience some of the stuff that he knows. And
I stopped by a little shop the other day and
we talked for a little bit about camping and going
out and I've just had a really good time. And
whenever you talk about meeting people, I mean, you know,
people become family, and our group is like a little
family and my my other little group with the old
line CRYPTI, guys, that's like another I'm sorry, I meant no.
Speaker 3: You're no Jerry's are sent me a message. Yeah he did,
Uh no, he it was it was positive.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know whether unless Mike can answer this,
he's been doing it longer. I don't know whether the
people are drawn to each other because some of the
had terrifying experiences or have seen these things like we
all have and are just confused, or but when you
get together and actually meet each other, it's not always
about bigfoot y'all are right. It feels like, hey, I
can trust this person because you know, we have information
and y'all that's that are listening. It's not that you're
gatekeeping or anything like that. I wouldn't ask less where
he the exact put a pin on him out where
you do your research, because you don't. It's you don't
want anybody going in and messing it up, and so
when you go in and find tracks and breaks and
stuff like that, you know they're legit. But Danny, you know,
is a perfect example. I was Danny Uh and I
met Greg Howees and then he introduced me to Combo
and you know, now there's people all over the country. Yeah,
I always shall could have talked to him, not about Bigfoot.
I cry laughing all the time with him. But that's
the thing. I'm drawn to people who are thick skined
and have a good sense of humor and and when
you've seen something I'm rambling, But when you've seen something
like this, you had a experience, you kind of have
to be that way, you know, so you know in public?
So what what what is it? Less? Is it? Is
it some of that? All of that? Or what do
you think it is?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think it's a little bit of everything. I mean
with with Danny and I and and the other folks
that's in our in our little group. Ah, it's just
like a family. You know. Tammy, that that's uh has
been by my side for several years before anybody else.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: Tammy and I Uh actually met in a dollar tree
another you know, there you go again, had I had
a shirt on one time and and it's that would
I would put head on a maid and it says,
if you have seen bigfoot or anything, you know, come
talk to me. Yeah, she came. She came up and
talked to me, and we became friends. And she's to me.
I consider her, uh like a big sister, you know,
you know, as far as that's concerned, as well as
a colleague. And what we do, Danny, I don't, I
don't know, Danny, and I just in the words of
his wife, what the hell's wrong with you too? I
love it because because we're we're just you know, it's
it's one joke after another, and we back and forth
just and but we we enjoy our time with each other.
What we do, you know, going out and looking for things,
and and the rest of the folks in a group,
they're just, like I said, just like a big family.
We all get along. Well.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: We we all have a little bit of different opinions
on some stuff sometimes, but we you know, majority of
stuff we we we agree on. And but I think
that's good in both ways. You know. I enjoy, you know,
the discussions we will have about what we might find
or what might happen or you know, some of us
might be a little skeptical about it, some of us
might be a little bit more enthusiastic about it, but
we all still get along and we just find that
I just find that just the best part of it.
I mean, that's that's why I like it. You know,
as far as connecting with other people, to me, that's
one of the funnest parts when especially when you were
talking about getting somebody's trust, I think that's very important.
You know, when you go out and you look into
these these encounters or these accounts, sometimes it's hard to
get these people to come forward and talk to you
and you sometimes you just need, you know, gain their trust,
you know, and let them know, hey, you're not here
to make fun poke poke fun at them. You're not
here to overrule what they're trying to tell you. You know, like, hey,
you know that's not what really happened. You had to
have seen this a lot of times. They just need
to be heard, And to me, that's a big part
of it.
Speaker 3: Well you know this, you know I told you backstage.
Mine my first one happened in nineteen eighty five, so
you know, I held stuff in I you know, when
I would try to say things, sometimes I'll get laughed at,
So you hold it in. And when you find those
people you know that you can be yourself around and
talk about things. It grows into other things, not just
Bigfoot or Cryptige or whatever. And once you once you
earn trust with somebody in one aspect of life, then
you wholeheartedly trust them. So I think that's a big
part of it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know who wants to talk first, but I
know y'all have that. Oh, Danny's dying too, he's rocking off.
Speaker 2: Kids.
Speaker 3: If y'all see me rocking, I got a bad help.
Speaker 10: I'm not, you know, drug and my internet's being glitchy
this evening as well, so I'm going in and out.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so on the back porch flag.
Speaker 3: Did Danny, did you have something happen like close to
your house or somewhere where you were camping.
Speaker 2: My first experience before I met Less this was in
July of twenty four. I was at a friends farm
and I was camping there and that was my first outing.
My wife was mad as I mean, she could have
killed me that day when she found out what I
was doing. That Saturday morning. She said you're doing, what
you're going, where you're doing with who. I didn't know.
I didn't know these people, and I didn't know what
I was doing. I had my tent, my truck, my raincoat,
and I had some gosaps on my phone. I thought
I was cool.
Speaker 3: I didn't know I've been there.
Speaker 2: I went out, and then that night, about eleven o'clock
I went sleep in. About two thirty, I woke up
and this thing was standing there looking at me through
my tent. And I was just laying there on my cot.
Didn't have a sleeping bag or nothing, just have a
raincoat on and all my winters were open. And then
next thing I know, I'm talking to Lest, like, lest
what's going on? Well, I never can remember.
Speaker 7: We had been talking prior to this about what he
was going to be doing and stuff, and he was
asking me in some pointers and tips and stuff like that,
and so he messaged me and he said, hey, this
was happening, and he told me said I think I
had a dream. And I was like, what do you mean,
And he told me, I said, well, I kind of
woke up, I think, and I looked outside of my tent.
This thing is standing by the of tent, he said,
I went, and he said, I pretty much just rolled
over and went back to sleep. And I told him,
I said, well, in all the years I've been doing
this and especially doing the you know this and as
well as paranorm investigating, that's a common thing. People will
have these accounts, you know, I think, you know, people
will think, oh it's traumatic, but for some reason, people
just will go right back to sleep. So and I
asked him, I said, are you sure you were dreaming?
And he got to thinking about it, and he ended
up going back and found evidence of this thing standing
in his tent.
Speaker 2: And that was my tent, my tenth one of the
It's just a pop up, like a pop up canopy
ut seven foot tall, seven a half foot tall in
the center, and this thing was about seven and a
half a foot tall, and it was kind of like
cinnamon red color about the color of the doors behind
left there, and the it had like a blackish face.
And what was weird was it was foggy, but I
could see so and everything seemed confusing. When I woke
up the next morning, I was like, what what happened?
And that that's why I reached out to the to
the man here and.
Speaker 3: Well, Danny, I've had that happen to me. I've took reports.
I'm sure Amanda's taking reports and less has probably heard it,
and people like, why didn't you do this? Why do
you do that? I don't know it. So what people
don't understand, especially with the first time, people say the
first thing I noticed was this or that? No, you
notice everything at the same time. That's one. It's mine
scrambling and you don't know until you're there how you're
going to react. I've acted different a few times. You know,
people laugh at me because I'm a little skittish, but
when you see how big some of these things are,
you know, I'm not that fast anymore. I never was
fast enough.
Speaker 2: But I understand it that counter during during the day
at like like a lot of people have, and I mean,
it's just that sounds weird, but yeah, I would like
to experience, have the experience during daytime to get a.
Speaker 3: Right and and uh, have somebody with you and you
and you're like, hey, what'd you say? I saw? And
we saw the same thing.
Speaker 2: So that's I had with somebody too, because you know,
two of you and whenever we go out in the group.
We don't. I mean, we usually, you know, stay together
or we stay in radio contact except for me, except
for least.
Speaker 7: I said, I'm going down here, guys, And next thing
I know, I'm like a half miles a mile away
from him, Like, hey, where.
Speaker 3: Are you are? Yeah, pond, Yeah, I know. Missy is
like that. We were out Coobo's field is after midnight,
and I kind of did a head count, and I'm like,
where's Missy And you could see like one hundred and
fifty yards on the other side in another field you
can see a phone screen. I'm like, oh my god,
she's not scared of anything. But y'all, y'all sound just
like us. I like y'all.
Speaker 7: But I talked. I talked. You know, we're talking about
how Danny says he was confused and how people get confused.
I kind of use the analogy. You know, your your
brain's trying to process, so it doesn't know what to
make sense of it. But eventually, you know, it comes
around and you're it does a reboot and you start
to think, and then you start to realize what was
going on, what you might have seen, so you put
pieces together and you know, eventually you know at some
point you come to a conclusion. Yeah, this is what
happened to me, as long as long as you don't
as long as there's pieces that coming together, aren't something
that you're trying, you know, that might have been a
fill in, yeah, fill in yeah, yeah, and then that's
all good.
Speaker 2: He's the smart one of the two of us. We're
like Laurel and Hardy, but the Laurel and Hardy is me,
and he's the smart one of the bunch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you'd be if y'all everard see any old
Laurel and Hardy, we're dating ourselves. Where they put him
out on the hood when he's wiping the winter, you know,
the winch wipers quit and they had him and.
Speaker 2: That's me on the hood. That's you.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going h this is awesome. Well it's it's
just like Laurie. I think Laurie's and yeah, LORI lad
right there in chat a couple of weeks ago when
I came back, they had seen some stuff and uh
it was it was light, strange lights inside my tent.
There's nothing in there, and there was hardly anybody there
at the time. And she said, man, I'm just I
just hate. I didn't. I didn't get a picture. I said, no, Lord,
you did the right thing. You told the other seven
people to look up, and if you got a picture,
we couldn't have told anything about it. It was in
the dark. But those other seven people saw the same
thing you did. To me, that's better than a picture.
So so yeah, that's uh. Don't like, don't feel bad, y'all,
because there are really experienced folks in this field that
don't react like they think they will. And and so
you know, I ran up on some tracks one time
as a bunch of them. I was terrified. I was
out there by myself, and I got made fun of
because I didn't cast any of them. I got them
on video. But I'm like, if i'd have had one
hundred pounds of casting material, it wasn't gonna happen. Because
I was trying to document it and get back to
the truck. I wasn't standing out there because they were fresh.
But speaking of that, I saw pictures, y'all. Did y'all
find a trackway? Is that what you were marking off
in one of the pictures?
Speaker 2: Last day?
Speaker 7: We found two of them. I what happened is we
were we were in Sutton, West Virginia for weren the
wife and I. We we have a friend that has
a pretty well known haunted house down there, you know,
not not the kind you go to get scared of,
but you know what is considered a haunted house. Yeah,
And every every year in October we we take them
to a family trip there and we have dinner and
we have you know, overnight and the kids love it.
We do like a little little investigations with the kids
and stuff. But Dan and I went to the lake
because I told him, I said, well, time of the year,
the lakes down, so we'll be able to walk the
mud flats and find you tracks because hee what we find,
you know, whether I didn't know what we want to find,
you know, deer bear and I found all those and
but I also knew that some people had found tracks
that they were reporting to, you know, suggesting we're bigfoot tracks.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 7: And one of those there was a couple of them
that a local uh taxidermists had found. So we went
to the location. He we actually stopped at his shop.
We talked to him. I've talked to him before, and
he told us about what he's experienced there with the
with the the I guess vocals the houses that he
called or he said, well, more like a trumpeting, he said.
I almost like I believe he had described it like
an elk and an elephant or something like that, wasn't it, Danny.
Speaker 2: I've heard that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that. I've heard that description before. And
the thing is lest they don't know, but they always
put big animals, big mammals together. They combine it, you know.
So that's ling right there. I must show some pictures
while you're telling the story, if you don't mind.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's the that's the first one. That's the
first trackway we found. We actually went under the mudflat
and I'm walking down I said hey, Danny, and Danny's
off to my left at the time, and I said, hey, Danny,
I found tracks. I found a trackway and we went
down to and he come over and we're looking and
there was a set that were larger and a smaller set,
and that's one of the small ones there. The larger
set was they were walking parallel with each other, almost
like a you know, mama walking her her kid or
something her you know, little kid. I thought they were interesting.
I still to this day, don't know if I would
say they're bigfoot, but there was pretty interest in the
time of the year we found them. You see the
whole trackway right there.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: But the interesting thing was when we were leaving, there
was a guy went by. He said, hey, what are
you all folks doing? And he's and we were like,
you know, we're just looking at it, you know, here
looking at tracks, just you know, animal tracks. And we
went on up the road and his buddy that was
following him had stopped before we had left up the road,
and we we he stopped us. He said, what are
y'all doing back here? And I said, we said, we're
just looking for animal tracks. Yeah, he goes, well, he said,
I just want to let you know, he said, I
found bigfoot tracks last year, about this time of year,
he said, on down at Wolf Creek. Well, Danny and
I had already been to Wolf Creek that day and I.
Speaker 2: Looked at each other and grinned and okay.
Speaker 7: And he's like, he said, it was pretty interesting. We're like, yeah,
he said, well, there was a little skiff of snow
on the ground. He said, it was almost like a
mama walking her little baby. He said, yeah, he said,
I've seen a set of tracks and a bigger set
and then a smaller set going out, you know, out
this mud flat and around the bend, and I it's
a place that I go all the time, but I haven't,
I haven't had never found anything. But it was pretty
interesting that, you know, he described exactly what we found.
You know, it hadn't seen what we were doing. Uh,
like I said, and I told Danis, I don't really know.
You know, they look like they could be you know,
they do to have a human shape, but the time
of year and stuff, you know, you know who knows.
So we cast them. We pulled what to the big ones,
to the small ones.
Speaker 2: Two little ones and two big ones, and picture that
where I was pooring. You could see our footprints, our
boot tracks right there through the little round dots. That's
our bit.
Speaker 3: So you're not sinking up at all.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, definitely not seeking anything like the other ones.
Speaker 3: For sure, see them over here. Yeah.
Speaker 7: But I also, you know, I usually using my skeptical
side a little bit, I can also explain that possibly
a little bit. Uh the tracks when we went back,
well it was two weeks, two weeks with Ron, which.
Speaker 2: Was let's see, two weeks later we went back.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean but when we went back that location
there with Ron, which is how long after that, when
we so months later, several months later, you could still
see where we had poured the cast and pulled them.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 7: So you know, the explanation I come up with, you know,
just to give the Devil's advocate here is the tracks
that we found. The reason they're deeper is because that's
right when right after the water had receded, So the
mud was a lot softer. So something with a even
with a less more of a lighter weight, you know,
less mass, would would leave tracks probably deeper than what
we did. So so again I just want to document
that with Danny and you know, you know, make sure
you look at stuff like that. But then we went
back two weeks later, you know, in November, actually took
two kayaks and paddled, oh three quarters a mile to
a mile up the lake and come upon come upon
another mudflat. There's several mudflashs, but this one was easy
to get to. Where the banks weren't very high. We
would able, you know, just nose up on them and
get out.
Speaker 2: Track that you showed a picture of that that one
we poured that day.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the one with the sticks. Yeah, yeah, that that
one there.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 7: Uh, we got out of the boat. Danny's looking up
in the woods and walking along and I'm walking straight
ahead and ss hey, Danny, I found another trackway and
they came we. I couldn't exactly tell which way they
come from. They either looked like they come from the
water and went towards the woods or come from the
woods and went to the water and made it like
a loop. And you know, but there was I think
Danny counted eighty some eighty some tracks but there. But
this these were not the mom and child tracks. This
was just a little bit bigger and they were a
single trackway. There was only one how far? Uh somewhere
around four foot? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can't do that. You have to be you
have to be running at a full you know. So
I didn't get the load. The one with the measuring tape.
How how big was the biggest one?
Speaker 7: Uh? The two where we found the two trackways. The
biggest ones were like thirteen inches and the small ones
like eight and a half.
Speaker 3: Okay, and y'all, if you're listening, whether it's on Spotify,
later or whatever. Listen to what they're saying. The best
time if you have lakes around you, and we have
them around here and in Alabama, when the water's down
in the winter, it's the best time to find tracks
because if there are big foot in the area or
anything raccoons, they have to walk through that mud to
get to the water to get whatever they're getting a
drink or food. So I've stumbled by accident on that.
That's when I found those.
Speaker 10: Soft mud makes really goodtunities.
Speaker 9: Oh here you I got the picture.
Speaker 2: Roger's and that's the big ones.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And let me ask you, so, did the did the
little ones stay beside the big tracks or did it ever?
Speaker 7: Like Chris, they stayed. They stayed right along beside him.
Speaker 2: It was like they were holding hands, you know, kid,
a little little child will hold hands. That they were.
They were close, real close.
Speaker 3: That's and that's pretty.
Speaker 2: Is There's a guy somewhere here in the neighboring couple
counties from here that got pictures of two in this area.
But I can't find the guy.
Speaker 3: And that picture right there, I don't see an art.
Speaker 7: So you know that, you know, if you had seen
the small ones not necessarily the end step arts, but
or the end step. But if you held them side
by like this way, like like length like horzonally, you
could actually see even though the small ones are even more. Yeah,
the hill part was inch and half thick, the ball
was an inch and a half thick, and the middle
was like three quarters of an It's like.
Speaker 9: That foot went like this, that nice curve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those is that way and I can't remember which
one it is.
Speaker 3: That that's that's that's impressive. I mean, and y'all, I
don't care how seasoned you are. Tracks are so rare.
I'm sure you were giddy when you're like, hey, man,
get over here, check this.
Speaker 2: Hey, I found a track away and I was like,
and I was, I was excited as I'll get out.
And that's the first time i'd ever, you know, got
to pour anything. And he was like, he's like, okay,
I'm gonna show you how to do this, and I'm like,
and how to do it? And and then we covered
them up and I.
Speaker 7: Left him every night and so.
Speaker 2: And then that one that we found when we were kayaking.
The wind was blowing so hard that day that that's
that one set up in like an hour and it's
just regular plaster.
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, dried it out quick, and it's drying the
ground out too. Yeah, that's what you know. So that's
what I always looked for.
Speaker 2: I had those flags. I had. I carry about ten
or twelve flags with men.
Speaker 3: That's a good idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one I lost count about forty or fifty.
There were so many between the deer tracks and there
was some turkey tracks and then uh that other one
we found a bear track since we got out of
the kayaks. And that's what I was looking for. I mean,
I wanted to make sure I didn't see no uh
uh black four legged critter you know, coming out. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I had somebody ask me about the area today actually,
and and they're coming from another state, and I said, listen,
there's other things out there. We've seen this, this, this, this,
and this, and they all will eat you, so just
be careful. And that's the that's my that's my worst
fear of somebody going. I don't recommend anything, but if
they ask me, I'll kind of, you know, tell them
an area, but I won't give locations usually. Yeah, but
so it looks like you'll go out in all kind
of weather, which you know, snow is a good a
good uh good time to find tracks.
Speaker 7: Also, yeah, that that that day there was a little
Oh that was a crazy day right there.
Speaker 2: Now that started out having a lot about almost a
foot of snow and ended up with like three inches.
Speaker 7: Well we again, that's where we're talking about. We started
as a group. There was three of us there that day.
There was Danny, myself and a friend of ours West
and we were all and we decided going this hike.
So we're we're going back towards the backwaters of this
lake again because of them. You know, the water's down,
so we're gonna go look, uh decent snowfall. So we're
looking for tracks for that. Well, Danny and West we
come to this crossroads and I say, hey, you guys
go that way, they could take you up. I'm going
to go down. Well I started, I went down. I
get to the bottom. We're on the radio and I say, hey,
where you all at? We're all at and they're like,
we're right here. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna head
straight up the mountain to come to you. Come towards you. Well,
we had about, like you said, about a foot of
snow and parts of it. Well, that foot of snow
had covered over brier patches that were three and four
foot thick or.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 7: I'm walking and I'm falling. I fall through it like
several times, trying to get up to them.
Speaker 2: By the time I got we're not far apart. We're
not very far apart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can't get to them.
Speaker 2: Well, I got.
Speaker 7: I finally got to them. I finally got there. By
the time I got there, you swear to God, mountain
lion had tore me up.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm picturing it.
Speaker 10: In my.
Speaker 2: About. We're standing there waiting on him, you know, and
we we're waiting for come up over the hill in
front of us, and I hear something. Look, and here
comes west down the road.
Speaker 7: I said, the way I could get to you, I
couldn't get through it.
Speaker 2: I made it.
Speaker 7: I made it, went up the hill and come around
another another another road. But we ended up getting all
the way back to the back backwaters where we wanted.
As you can see in that picture. Uh, we didn't
really find anything. We found it, yo, A couple of
tree things, which I'm not great. I'm not real big
on the tree breaks and stuff. We found that a
couple of interesting things, but all said and done, we'd
put in like somewhere between six and eight miles in
a foot and a half of snow and it was just,
I don't know, it was rough. It had a rough
day and we had a we had a blast though.
Speaker 3: That's dedication, medication and it makes for a good story.
I mean, yeah, and y'all, there's so like this here.
I've seen things like this on Facebook and all, let
me leave it up here a second. And when I
first started getting into this, I'm like, well, it's possible.
So what I joined a primitive camping page on Facebook
just to watch what they did. Some of that that
that if they have a tarp folded up with them,
they might take something like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it is or it's not, but
if you're investigating, you have to look at all angles
so and you so you can rule out things like
like a lot of people they'll they'll see the little
yeah in the hut looking things and that. You know,
we had an X up here on some land, uh
after we had a rock thrown at us the year
before and I come around the corner and there's nobody there,
it's so far back nobody. It's rough, it's it's botock
thorns and it's grown up. You have to be careful.
And I come around the edge of that field and
there's a big entrance. It's a it's a game trail,
but it's just happened to be no trees there for
like seven or eight feet wide. There was the biggest
x made out of dead cedars, and I was like,
no way, no way. But then I went over there
and the root balls one of the one of the
trees had grown there and had been pushed over to
limb the other one's rootball. It didn't come from there,
So something or somebody, and there's nobody around here that
even leaves in big floot, right.
Speaker 2: So the root balls on the tree, mm hmm. You
know if something is pulled up out of the ground,
you know, and it's upside down and the roots up here,
then you know it was moved, something done that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So go ahead if you go.
Speaker 7: Back to that picture. That's my friend Tammy. The reason
we documented that picture. Like I tell everybody, when you
find stuff like this, the document it, you know, take
pictures of it compared to other stuff. Do I believe
this was bigfoot, not necessarily, but the one thing that
really caught my eye it is that is that cross beam, yes,
floating the floating bean. That's why we documented this one.
I also it was in an area that I had
been by myself and had some experiences, uh, which was
one of the experiences you talk about in X. I
had went in this area because there have been people
tell me they have heard vocals there, they have found
footprints there. I've got some pictures of prints in the
mud in certain areas. So I stayed there one night
and then the next one day, and I found too
partial what I call partial prints. I can't say they're
great prints. They were in that real decaying soft you know, substrate,
you know, the or the the leafy black stuff, you
know what I mean, or how we.
Speaker 3: Want to say it right.
Speaker 7: Uh. The only reason I I cast him because there's
really no no toe marks or you know, any case
of toes. The hill was very wide, you know, not
something the areas, it's fairly wide hill. They weren't super long. Again,
because there wasn't any toes, you couldn't see the toes.
So I casted those two and went while they they cured,
I went on up into the valley. I'd follow this
creek way up into the valley and I go up
so far and I would cut off a little bit
come back down, and that's how I did my grid
pattern in this area. So I was doing that, that that,
doing this that day, and I found a couple of
those areas that had the same substrate and I'm looking
at it trying to find something. Never found anything. But
as I'm standing at the second one, I found, uh,
it's like a flat near creek. And then you have
like this bank that's got rocks and there's a lot
of a lot of a lot of pine and and stuff.
And it goes up and there's rocks on the top,
but there's a bunch of Laurel bushes. I hear something
moving in the Laurel bushes, so I turned, thinking, you know,
I'm gonna I'm gonna see a deer up there, maybe
a bear. But when I turned, whatever was there took
off in the opposite direction just ran, I mean, just
as as fast as it can run it. So I'm like, okay,
that's pretty cool. So I definitely documented like that, and
I was like, I want to go back here again.
So I went back, pulled the tracks left for that weekend,
decided I was going to go back for the next weekend,
and where the tracks were at, I was going to
the cree. I went to the creek and had gotten
water in my pan and was stipping, you know, mixing
the plaster, and then when I was done and mints
the pan out in the same area. And when I
got back the next weekend where I was doing that,
there was two trees that had been completely stripped of
their branches. You know, there's tall you know, earlings or
more than eurine. Not earlings, but saplings, but they were
the base of them are probably about I don't know
the size of one of those. You know, there's little
mini coke cans, you know, the small type cans. They
were started about that size and when up and petered
out at probably fifteen feet tall to an air They
had been put in in an x between the two
trees where I was getting the water, and I I
thought that was really cool. So I was like, man,
I need to go back. So I've been going back
to that place quite a bit over the past few years.
I've taken Danny in the group Bear and we've we've
had some other stuff happen. Uh, other little tracks. We
found it possibly at Prince again we found some different
little I don't know if you want to call structures,
but you know, just different little things that my venture.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then let's less is being careful, y'all go ahead.
It's okay, but it but look, I get it less
unless unless I see the bigfoot. Make it right, right,
I get I get where you're coming from.
Speaker 7: But then, uh, we were all daring our hike. Well,
this was on the second, the second camp out that
we were there. We went back, we were on our hike,
and it was they David had went on his way
one way, Brody and Owen had went on their way
a different way. Chris, Dandy and Tammy were kind of together.
And again I'm off on my own. I cut off
the path and went I'm down at the because I
had I heard, I knew there was beaver ponds, you know,
old beaver ponds. I was like, well, there's beaver ponds,
there's mud. I want to get down here. So I
went down to them. But eventually we all come back
together and we're walking down to the logging road and
I out of the corner of my eye, I see something
go between trees, like moving between trees. And I told him,
I said, I said, you guys see that, And they're
like and Danny's like, no, I didn't see see anything.
Tammy's like, no, I didn'tee anything. So I started walking
down to where it was at where I said, where
whatever it was moved. And I get down there.
Speaker 2: Huh, I'm forty feet off road something like that.
Speaker 12: Was It was probably forty yards often. I get down
to where where it was at and we I find
I don't know, sticks about a foot half to two
feet tall, stuck in the ground, spaced about two to
three feet apart, all in a row.
Speaker 7: So I I yeah. So I yell up at him
or on the radio, and they come down A fair
of youe West Virginia. You just right over the hill
from me. I saw you on the radio. Danny comes down,
Chris comes down, taming him stay up on the road
to keep tracks. So we did just like I guess,
the search and rescue grid type thing, you know, so
far apart, we walked see what we can find. All
of a sudden, I here Danny say, hey, Chris, did
you is that you and Chris. No, I'm what do
you mean? He said? Where are you at? He's in
Chris tells him Danny seemed the same thing in front
of him, or was it was in front of her?
To your right?
Speaker 2: It was? It was to my right up the hill,
closer to the road.
Speaker 10: And.
Speaker 2: It was just like like that between two trees, and
these trees were probably about five or six feet apart.
It was a black blur. And I asked everybody where
they were at, and Brody and Owen were up on
the road, and I said, where y'all at? And they
all of a sudden they walked by where I had
seen that, and you could see the color of their shirts.
They were wearing jeans. I was like, and I was confused,
and I yelled at him and he was like below me,
Less was below me, and then Chris was above me,
and then the road and within how how many minutes
was that that we saw? That I saw that?
Speaker 7: I don't know from time when I seen had my
whatever I seen to you, probably five or six minutes
at the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was weird. It was the weirdest thing.
I mean, it's just just a just a black blur.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So let me let me ask this. I might have
missed it so less when you saw what JU saw
and then Danny, same thing. Was it elevated position from you?
Speaker 7: No, it was downhill, down down hill my siding or
my from my vantage point sighting, I get, whatever you
wanna call. It was downhill. Once we started doing our
grid pattern, it would have been slightly uphill for Danny,
but more like more up to the to the right.
Like if we were just say we were walking, uh
from south to north, so and I would have seen
what I seen in the west when Danny we started
doing a good pattern, Danny would probably seen something like
toward the northeast. So it had moved in a whole
different direction without us, without us seeing.
Speaker 2: It out anybody. And we were walking around in the
woods like I mean, you know, checking things out. And
when Left told me or told us about the sticks,
he said, come here. I went. I went down and
there they were. I mean, it was just in a row.
And I got pictures of it. I didn't send him
because you can't tell. And they was, what about four
foot party is?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Three to four foot apart?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they were all.
Speaker 7: Yeah, by eighteen inch two foot tal that's wild. Yeah.
So again we we decided, hey, this is going to
be a place we started to come back to, you know,
because I'd already been there multiple times. I like, I
go a good bit by myself. So I go there
a lot, and like I said, do this grid search
and everything or like a So Danny and I called
Danny said, hey, you want to go camping? You know?
He said where. I said, Let's go to the area,
you know. He said yeah, So and Danny's like, where
we're going to camp? I said, we're going to backpack in.
And Danny's like, I've never backpack into nowhere in camp before.
Speaker 2: And I was a boy scout so and my son
was a boy scout and I hain't never backpacked anywhere.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And he goes, let's go, and I say, man, let's
do it.
Speaker 7: He shows he shows up. He shows up and he
pulls his pack out and I say, that's pretty big, Danny,
so he's got yeah, he's got her on. We're back
going back through there, and we're walking through you know that.
I can't remember what months it was it was.
Speaker 2: I didn't forgot it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it wasn't. It should have been warm but it's
actually nice. Yeah, And we're walking through and we're walking
through ferns about about waste deep nothing.
Speaker 2: But it's beautiful. It's it's just like a big field.
It's like we're going through this pine ticket and all
of a sudden it opens up. It's like a field
almost of ferns and they're waist high and you're just
trying to walk through it. And left turners are like,
I hope we don't see any snakes.
Speaker 9: Jurassic Park with the raptors the rest.
Speaker 2: That's what it looks like.
Speaker 7: I told him before we got there, you know what
I told everybody before when we went you know, hiking
and camping there or hiking there. You know, it's an
area where there's supposedly a lot of rattlesnakes and stuff.
So we're walking through this field and I'm like bebopping along.
Danny's and behind me and I step on something slip,
you know, And I looked back at him. I said, Danny,
I sure hope to god that was a stick I
just stepped on.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, uh, yeah, I hope it was a stick.
Speaker 7: To So we get to we get yeah, we get
to our Yeah, I was hoping it was stick. I
really was. We get to our We get to our site.
We found a camp ray Long Creek set up camp.
Danny's got his little trekking polltent. I'm in a hammock
with a tart and stuff, and we're, you know, having
a good time. We kind of snooze through today, yeah,
you know, kind of. I look over. Danny's like, lean
back in my chair, passed out, and he's like, but
you know, got during the gout the end of the nighttime,
and I hear. I'm laying in my hammock and I
I could hear this chainsaw just going nuts over in
the tent.
Speaker 3: Sound like a track to pull over.
Speaker 13: So I'm laying there and I'm listening, and I'm listening
to cayves start to go crazy.
Speaker 7: And then behind my hammock on the other side of
my tarp, I hear I'm thinking, you know, maybe it's
a bear. I don't know. I'm still listening. And then
the creek. There was a law great there by the creek.
I didn't hear anything go into creek. But you know
how you you hear the water fall over something, it
has that sound and if it's doesn't change, or if
something doesn't move in there, that water sound just doesn't change. Well,
the water changed, the sound changed, can completely something moved
in that water. So immediately I grabbed my radio because
I got it with me, and I'm like, Danny, Danny, nothing.
Speaker 9: Danny.
Speaker 7: Thirty five to forty minutes later, that's trying to get
him up, to get him moving, I had to literally
scream Dandy. He's like, what you know? I said, man,
I think there's something out here. So he comes scooting
out of his tent and I'm like, you have your
boots you sleep with your boots on. He's like yeah,
And I jump out of my hammock. I just got
my socks on and everything. And so we're we're looking around.
We got thermals out and everything. We didn't find anything.
So I'm walking around. Danny's got his thermal and I'm
over in this one area looking to see if I
can see anything with my night visiting a thermal.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 7: All of a sudden, here I'm thinking something is you know,
he has found something. You know, I'm thinking he, you know,
with the enthusiasm he has, he has found something. He's
seeing something. He's like less less, I'm like, what, man,
He said, are you paying?
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, but somebody is.
Speaker 9: Somebody or something.
Speaker 2: I make a pattern around, you know, a walk around
our camp and I've got my thermal, and all of
a sudden, I see this hot image, you know, ahead
of me. And I didn't realize where I was the
way I was standing, it was the way he was standing.
I was like, what are you doing? Are you paying?
Speaker 3: He said, no, So did you did you see something
standing up?
Speaker 7: No? Okay he did, but that would.
Speaker 3: Be that would be scary too, Like you don't want
to interrupt a booger while they're you know, relieving himself.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we didn't have any experience or we didn't see anything.
But the next day we got up and and I'm like, Danny,
I said, did you see that? And he's like what?
Speaker 3: I was like?
Speaker 7: Down there, you know, right on that little flat by
the creek where we were getting water yesterday because it
was a good place to get water.
Speaker 2: We got water. It was perfect where you could kind
of scrutch down and pull water out.
Speaker 7: And I see this triangle rock about two inches thick
and about three maybe two and a half three inches tall,
standing on its edge, pointing straight up and it wasn't
there the day before because we were getting water from there.
So we go down and look at it, and you
could literally see where this rock had been pulled out
of the moss, because it had the moss on top
of it on the one side of the rock. The
bottom side was completely bare with a little bit of
with dirt and mud on the floor. It been pulled
out of the ground and had been stood up. And
right there where we were getting water, and this isn't
this isn't it within half a mile where I had
been where the X was put between the two trees.
Speaker 2: And what was funny too, When I was walking around
that night, I walked into this tree that I thought
was a tree. And the next morning I'm standing there
and I turned around and right behind where Lissa had
his tent was an X.
Speaker 7: Yeah, oh, there was a yeah. I forgot about that.
There where I heard had heard the behind my tarp
there was there There was another X between two little trees.
Speaker 2: It was It was weird how all this happened. And
but then again, I could sleep through a tornado.
Speaker 3: Need a shot collar less.
Speaker 7: I don't blame I mean the hours he was working
at that time I wouldn't. I don't blame for going
to sleep, be honest with you.
Speaker 2: And it, but it was. And I drove a lot
longer than he did because from where I lived up
there is about four hours. And what funny is we
were supposed to the meeting spought that we were supposed
to meet that morning. We decided we'd meet at this
lake about ten o'clock and twelve o'clock that night. I
woke up and I didn't realize what time it was,
and I thought it was earlier in the morning, and
I was like, well, you know, I thought it was
two or three o'clock. And I think, you know, I'll
just go ahead and get ready. I'll leave. I'm twenty
miles from the house and I look at the clock
and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm four and a
half hours before I'm supposed to wake up.
Speaker 7: We were supposed to meet at ten, so I'm like
two and a half hours away. So I get up
seven o'clock and I call no, no answer, no answer
to dance man. I hope he's all right. Oh he
wakes up, he'll meet me there. All the way up,
I call no answer. The whole two and a half hours.
I'm driving wherever I had phone service. I'm calling Danny
and I'm thinking, either he overslept, he can't make it.
I'm hoping something didn't go wrong, or I said, that's
simpletle bastard drove all night and he's up or sitting.
Speaker 3: He said, waiting on you.
Speaker 10: I did.
Speaker 2: I left home and got to this there. I can't
remember the name of this little town, and there was
a post office, and I realized I was like, well,
I needed to get gas. And I was right down
the street from this little gas station. And there was
a little little country, little country town, and the gas
station was kind of like Floyd's gas station from Maybury.
And I thought, well, right, here's the post office. I'll
just back up against the po the mailbox here at
the post office and take me up a bout an
hour sleep here, I am. I have the doors off
my truck and the top and I cover up with
a blanket. And I thought, well, you know what if
somebody comes by and thinks I'm trying to break in
the post office, right, and I just sleep for by
an aro and go down, get some gas and go
up road. And then I realized I was like, wait,
a minute. Again, I was like, I'm way way early.
I was even two hours before we were thinking be there.
But it was funny because it was two seventeen when
I left home.
Speaker 3: That's what happens.
Speaker 2: Least.
Speaker 3: He was excited. He couldn't wait to get there. And
then yeah, so.
Speaker 9: She's driving while you had that adrenaline running.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so less. I mean, you've been doing this
for a while. I know you have people contact you
have you ever got phone calls? And went investigated a
hot area for people that's having issues.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I started out mainly just posting on Facebook. You know.
That's how I when I give a little short summary
how it got started, I've I've done paradorm investigating for
a long time. I have that stem from an experience
I had as a kid. My oldest son got into
it with me years later when he was in his teen.
We investigated multiple places, you know, homes, you know, businesses, properties,
and then he told God, he talked to me one
day and he's like, hey, he said, what do you
think about Bigfoot? And I'm like, yeah, I know. You
know it's a cool subject. You know, I know the
parish of given film, I know this and that you know,
I've looked into a little bit, but not a bunch.
So we discussed about starting a Facebook page on about
for West Virginia about people, for people to share anything
they have seen, you know, all kinds of stuff, just anything.
It was West Virginia, cryptis and strange encounters, so it
just covered everything. Well. After a certain post I had
put on there, people started contacting me about seeing bigfoot
in West Virginia. And it started out me messaging, you know,
answering messages and talk to people that way then and
then it got into where I would talk to people
on the phone. I mean I'd set for hours and
hours and hours talking to different people, and then they
would start to say, hey, can you come out and
check this out? And I would go out to certain
locations and look at things and try to the best
I could help them with what they might be seeing
or what they might not be seeing, what they might
not experience, you know, to give them that you know, hey,
you know, my first thing is try to debunk what's
going on, you know, look for something that might have
an explanation. And then it started to think there's some
of these times, these things there's not an explanation. It's
got to be what they're seeing, so.
Speaker 3: Narrow it down right and what's left.
Speaker 7: Ahead and one of those for in case. The point
is I think it's been. It was two thousand and eighteen.
I believe it was. This gentleman. He gets a hold
of me on Facebook, he asked, he said, hey, and
I call you. I'm like, yeah, absolutely, and we sit
and talk and he's like, he said, I'm sixty three
years old. He said, I'm basically a mountain man, you know,
as you can in terms I guess you say. He said,
a hundred fish done everything you imagine here in West Virginia,
he said, I've been in the woods all my life.
He said, you couldn't tell me Bigfoot exists anywhere in
the world, let alone in West Virginia. He said. But
after this date in twenty eighteen, he said, you can't
prove to me it doesn't. So I started talking to him,
and this is literally what probably I don't know, half
hour from where Danny's hometown is. So I'm talking to him,
and I'm talking to his wife because they both had
a sighting, you know, at the same time. And there
was one thing that kept telling me that that got me,
just piqued my interest, and I had to go meet
these folks, even though it had been months later. And
the thing that they would tell me is every time
I talk to them and we talked about the description,
they kept saying, we don't remember seeing the feet, and
it was just weird, you know, we don't remember seeing
the feet. And they would describe as to how lords
what it looked like, how had this you know, bear
chested or more the chests were more bear than the
rest of it, you know. And what had happened is
they're driving along and they're coming down this route, this
road I think it's that thing. It's called Route thirty nine,
and around this turn three hundred and seventy five feet
in front of them, because I've done all the measurements
by their you know, by their description, there's a there's
a gravel lot. They see what they think is a
bear coming out on this gravel from this gravel lot
onto the road, so on all fours comes out, gets
in the middle of the road. They had already from
what three hundred seventy five feet to I don't know
how how close, you know, they had been at that point,
and it stands up right in the middle, right in
their lane, and and faces and that's when they he
quickly slows down and he said, we're looking at it,
and he describes it, and he says, it was, you know,
darkened collar, looks like it was wet.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 7: Right off that gravel lot, there was a creek, so
this thing must have came through the creek. He says.
It turns looks at him as it's it's turned. It's
turned toward him. It's looking at him, and then it
turns away, goes across the road. Once it gets across
the road, on the other side, there's a ditch and
a bank. When he hits that bank, it's on all
fours again, crawlsing all fours up the steep bank over
a rocket like kind of rock ledge. And again I'm
as we're talking, you know, I, my son and I
were there. And when the when there's more than one witness,
I always want to interview him separately because there's always
a different perspective there always, I don't care you're sitting
side beside, there's a different perspective. So and one of
the other things I like to do is if if
one of the if a witness, or all the witnesses,
or at least one of the witnesses, can sketch something,
you know that they're what they what they have seen.
I have them do that. I also carry these little
four by four pictures that are faces, that are artists
renderings of what people claim have seen to have seen.
So I carry like twenty or twenty five others with me,
And I asked the gentleman to, you know, walk with
me and pick a face. And the lady's like, I
don't want to walk, you know. She said, I'm not
going out there, you know, I know what you know,
you know. So I said, well, do you mind sketching
sketching for me? And she did and got back down
toward the car. She comes out, gives me the sketch.
He's already picked out his picture. And if you see,
you see these two things side beside the face and
the picture that she sketched, the faces on him are
almost identical.
Speaker 9: Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 7: But the next thing I noticed is on the sketch
she had drawn the legs all the way to the
battle in the paper with no feet. So I'm still intrigued.
Why are they saying there's no feet and then it
dawns on me. So I asked the gentlemen, I said,
can you take my son and.
Speaker 2: Like in this.
Speaker 7: Gravel lot, not in the road, but put him where
you believe this thing was at, you know, based on it,
you know, from the road. He said, yeah, he tells
my son to stand here. And I said, now I'm
going to back up. You stopped me in my car
where you believe you were at, and he did. I
immediately take my phone, hold an eye level, take a picture,
get out and show him. And you could see his face.
You could see the collar drained from his face because
at that moment he realized why they couldn't see their.
Speaker 3: Feet too close?
Speaker 7: They're too close. They were literally within six feet of
its bump, you know, it was six feet or so
of its bumper, because you couldn't see my son's feet
from just a few inches below the knees and down. Oh,
and I and to me, that's one of the coolest
things that I've come across, you know, And it just
why would it if if that's they were trying to
hoax me, why would they say? You know, so that's
why you know, well that what.
Speaker 2: He's talking about, and where we were at at the
lake when it was snowing was about twelve miles apart.
And that place at the lake from the house that
I grew up in was about a mile. And at
the same place where where we was at with the
snow about a quarter of a mile from my house
three quarters of a mile from where we were at
that day, a gentleman called me and told me he
had seen footprints, or had he took a couple of
pictures of some footprints at another part of the lake.
And I happened to just stop there one day, and
there was some footprints and they were about three and
a half foot apart, and I sent him some pictures
of it. And I got to looking where I was standing,
and you could almost see my mom and dad's house
right a quarter of a mile away, And I'm thinking,
you know here, I didn't even you know, I didn't
know this growing up.
Speaker 3: Did any any of your family ever mention anything like that?
Speaker 2: Now now, I remember being a kid and mom and
dad talking about ghosts, UFOs and bigfoot, and I was scared.
I was terrified. I was literally I was one of
those little kids that was terrified. I mean at night,
I wouldn't go outside, and so I had a flashlight
and I would Dad would say, hey, can you go
get this for me out of my truck or Mom's car.
I would literally run fifteen feet to get to the
car and run back. I was terrified. And now I'm
going out in the woods hunting bigfoot. I'm going into
haunt houses a lot of most of the business with him.
Speaker 3: Well, when you did Danny freeze up on y'all's in.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, he throws up. His audio is still there,
but yeahs up.
Speaker 3: We are you making a heck of a face, Danny. Well, well,
the thing is, Danny, I'll say this. Uh, the more
you learn, yep, and the more you educate yourself, you
will react different to things. I you know, this doesn't
have anything to do a bigfoot, but like less, I
had things happen when I was a kid, paranormal stuff,
and I was terrified of movies. Anything, a story you could,
y'all could tell a story. I just leave the room. Now,
I'm lessing that.
Speaker 2: So one day, the Chicken of the Family, right when
Jaws came out fifteen minutes into the movie Jaws, when
it first came out in the seventies. I was gone.
I was like, I'm out.
Speaker 3: Well at we were at a drive in Danny. I
saw that first five minute when those drums started. I
tried to crawl up under the dash of that old Chevy.
And for fifteen years I thought drums were killing people.
I didn't know there's a shark in the movie.
Speaker 2: Well the girl got attacked. I was. I went to
my uncle and I said, I want to go home,
and I think I remember was going over to the
concession stand using the phone, call my mom and Dad's
stay in there, crying my eyes out.
Speaker 3: All right, come give me. Well, so you know what
I did. I was an adult. I was home by
myself and Ghost Adventure Zone. I'm like, you gotta get
over this. It's a TV show. I was. It was
a marathon that day. I forced myself after about three
of them. I'm like, okay, So kind of with Bigfoot
or anything else you have, you kind of face your
fears or you learn more, educate yourself.
Speaker 2: It helps the shows I used to watch, and whenever
I first started getting into Ghost something and and and Bigfoot.
When I met my wife, now she was watching the
same show as I was, and we started watching them together,
and I told her, I said, whenever we take the
jeep out and go on a trail, riders and you know,
who knows what we might see. We might see a
big foot someday, you know, just just kidding around and
so far having done it. But we've seen bears and
coyotes and turkey, you know, the typical stuff. And well,
where we go is kind of squaking.
Speaker 3: Well, look, you know how many people would kill to
find a trackway and you you and Less, I mean,
don't the sightings are so rare, and you know, you
keep doing what you're doing, it might happen. But finding
the evidence is great. That's I applaud you for doing that.
And especially I kind of know what you're talking about,
especially being scared of stuff like that. It takes it
takes a lot to get out there. I mean, you're
doing something that I don't do. I don't get out
like if Less that, hey come out and camp and
for two nights way out in the middle of nowhere,
I'm like, no, thank you.
Speaker 2: Greg. Greg closed, He asked off, what's the you know,
the most exciting and uh and the scared So far,
I've really not been aired. I mean I've been out
several times with different people and and with less and
I've even done it a couple of times by myself.
And I'm not really been scared. I've not been uneasy.
I've not felt that yet. And the most exciting is
any of them, especially with this man are here. I mean,
because I've learned things from him and other people that
you know, watching the podcasts or reading the books, you know,
finding things out on Facebook. You know that if you
learn something from this person and learn something from this
person and you put them together, you know you're learning more.
You know you're learning as much as you can.
Speaker 3: Well, Danny, did you grow up hunting?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and fishing, so you're very comfortable in the woods
like a lot of us are.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've been flipping the woods.
Speaker 3: You know, on purpose. I fell asleep, he.
Speaker 2: With Thanksgiving Day, right after dinner. It was seventy something year.
The sun was getting me just right.
Speaker 3: I got a picture I'm looking at here. I have
seen this before, but it was in a hackberry tree
and I'll show it, but I'll just set this up.
I didn't see it at first, and I kind of
glanced up. It was wintertime, something out of core my eye. Now,
there's no not gonna mean snakes out at the temperature
it was, but the first thing I thought was snake.
I jumped away from it.
Speaker 2: Tell me about this, Well, we went on our spring
camp out last April, and we've been doing our camp outs.
We tried to get one in the spring and wanted
to fall. And last spring, me and one of the
guys was going toward where we were going to set
up camp and I said, wait a minute, did you
just see that, dear lad? And we backed up and
we stopped. And another picture I've got. I'm standing beside it,
and the knuckle that's up at the highest point of
the leg there is about six feet in the air.
And if you if you can focus in on that,
it's not cut. It's broke.
Speaker 3: Well that's I did. I can't do it here. But
I examined it a little bit and it looked like
it was snouted. And I didn't see any cut marks.
I might have seen a toothmark on the bone, but
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I couldn't see. I didn't even I
didn't even take it out of the tree. There's no
other body parts, there's no other legs. There's no hair
except for one little tiny piece about the size of
a dime laying on the ground. We looked around in
the in the woods there a little bit.
Speaker 3: I couldn't see the rest of the deer or anything.
Speaker 2: It's like, and we got things like, well it would
a hunter throw it out? Well, it's possible, but if
somebody's hunting, you know, they're going to take an axe
or a saw and cut it.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about like driving by and throwing it out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Man, you talking about Look at so are you? Is
the is the road behind you when you're.
Speaker 2: Taking the road, but it's behind me?
Speaker 3: That's an almost impossible shot. It would have been arcd in.
Speaker 7: Well, this is the road that this is off of.
Is a road that leads way back into this uh
dispersed camping area.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: It's like a little tiny, narrow gravel road. Uh. It's
a place that I've been. I go quite a bit
as well, and decided to have a camp out with
the folks. All the folks there that year. We we've
had you know, when I was there with my son
at one time, we had some really cool things happen.
Found some interesting rockstaff that I took took all those
guys as the group to see. That was what we say, Danny,
probably half a mile or so over where we would camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, about a half a mile we camp.
Speaker 7: And you've got to go through this pine forest and
then you go through what we it's a ball we
called a blister swamp. I mean it's pete moss, probably
two three feet fet two to three feet thick, and
you had to get across it, go across this little
stream into peatbog again, very thick laurel bushes up into
a heart little small, kind of a small hardwood section
around in this peatbog. And you get over in there
and there is a rock stack. That's not the little
ones you see that people do along the creeks. This
is over on this I call island in the middle
of this peat bog, half a mile from from the
nearest little road. And then the biggest rock at the
bottom is probably almost three feet across and probably almost
a foot thick.
Speaker 2: Two or three people on the bottom rock. I mean,
it's kind of it's very odd, and none of the
rocks of that type are in that area.
Speaker 3: I have a picture of a rock stack.
Speaker 7: Is that the rock stack that's it. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 3: So we're where did the material come from? Is it
a long ways off or is the rocks laying around
like that?
Speaker 7: Those would have had to be pulled out of the
ground right there. Okay, they're somewhat buried. If you do
find those ones, they're somewhat buried. There's bigger boulders that's
set within this little you know, ford like forested area,
but those would have to be pulled from the ground
and carried to that location.
Speaker 2: And that is.
Speaker 3: Something I noticed something right away at the top of it.
Is that triangle yeah looking rock yeah started well yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: And as the crow flies, that's what Danny down two
about ten miles ten miles from where we went camping
in the little triangle rock, you know, at the camping Yeah,
about ten miles, about ten.
Speaker 2: Miles, and then the deer leg was probably about what half.
Speaker 7: A mile half a mile up the road from at Yeah.
But the really cool thing that the reason I go
back there. I see Dave's in there, Danny. I just
now seen Dave in there. Dave, our buddy, David's in
our group. He's in there. Three Forks Creek Outdoors. That's
des our buddy Dave, but him and Danny had found
we're walking around this area. We split up in groups
of it was me and my son masonare Tammy. Tony
went off went one direction, Danny, Dave and West went
off one direction. And they radio and they said, that's
what we think. We found tracks. And it was coming
down from where we were at probably probably fifty to
seventy five feet from that. Those rocks you could see
where something had pushed down in like the not moss,
it's just real soft substry, but it's got moss on top.
Had pushed down and left Prince going back down out
through the Laurel bush out in the bullet into the
Blister swamp. And they were probably somewhere between three or
so feet part four feet apart. Maybe they were about
fourteen fifteen inches long, and they were probably sunk in
the ground at least three or four inches. I mean,
it wasn't there's no definition, but you could see these
prints going down.
Speaker 2: Through there like it was just a big print, no
toes or nothing, just right a step and then the
very almost the center of.
Speaker 7: It looked like it turned around it looked like it
stepped in like around, spun around, planted his foot again
like it was looking behind it, and then turned back
around and walked on.
Speaker 2: It was so weird.
Speaker 3: I got a question, all right, So that that big
rock that's facing us, that's leaning up against it, is
that a limb placed under it?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: What what's to what's to the left of you over here?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: Is there water or no?
Speaker 7: It's it's kind of like a land of like an
a little okay, yeah, there's no water. There's just this
there's a blister swamp that surrounds it on all sides,
and you have one little stream that's probably most of
the time it's no more than three to four feet wide,
but it's it ranges probably anywhere from six feet or
six inches probably to two feet deep.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 7: They call it the black water area because all that
peat bog and the tannins from the trees turn that
water like it's dark brown. Right, So it's it's it's
it's kind of eerie to see this little stream running
through there, but that's the only water nearby other than
the water that's into peat bogs.
Speaker 3: I have another question. So this this spot right here
is that normal to see nothing growing in a spot
that big or is it just did you just is
it like when you come into it it opens up?
Speaker 2: Is it? You see?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You say, it looks kind
of dead all around it.
Speaker 7: The lot of that, A lot of that right, there
is a lot of undergrowth. There's no a bunch of
undergrowth nowhere in that area. Really. I think it's just
because it's higher elevation, because we're probably at I think
it's what thirty eight hundred feet thirty eight thirty nine
hundred feet, so there's not a whole lot of undergrowth now.
But there's a lot of laurel bush arounds in the
backside of that. Yeah, I see was.
Speaker 3: That laurel on the back right?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, now that that looks like a lot of mountain laurel,
the size of it. Right down from this where we
were at and we found that trackway there's this one.
Less said, look for the soccer ball. Yeah, And I said,
what are you talking about? Looking for the soccer ball?
I was thinking soccer ball? You know, somebody plays the
soccer ball out there.
Speaker 3: He's giving you a treasure mount is what you doing?
Speaker 2: And this. It was just a boulder and right at
the edge of it, if you would have stepped off
of it, it was about six or seven feet down
and it was a couple of feet to get up
on it. Here sets this rock, it's almost round, like
a like a soccer ball, and it's about the size
of that that bigger one. And he said, look for
the soccer ball. And then I'm centered and I'm like, hey,
that's what he's talking about, soccer ball. And then you
get to looking at it's like, how did that get there? Right?
Speaker 3: Where did it come from?
Speaker 7: And and I found I had found these, like I
think at that time it was four years prior, and
so those are four years old, and they had they
had been there for a while when I found him.
And then and how I found those is there was me,
our friend, Daniel Boone Smith. I went in one one
day in front of everybody and stayed. Daniel come in,
who was there early the next morning. My son and
his friend were coming in later that afternoon. As they're
coming in, Justin's like, uh, seeing this wood piled along
the road and an old cabin way back down where
they was clearing, and there's been a dead pine tree
that fell over and they cut the wood up, put
it out by the road, said free firewood. So he
picks this firewood up, brings it. Yeah, yes, Griff, Blackwaterfalls,
Canane Valley. Yeah, that's where it's at. We uh. He
picks his firewood up and there, and there's already been
historical I guess you'd say, with sightings in that area
dating back to the sixties, seventies and you know, somewhere there.
So he's he brings that firewood and he's trying to
split this firewood with with with an axe. I don't
think he'd actually split butter with but he beat on
that firewood forever. Finally splits all of it, and we're
just hanging out. We're sitting around to fire and all
of a sudden, this we heard this howl that I've
never heard in my life. You know, the typical what
you would find about the Ohio, how you know, and
stuff like that. It is a little bit different. It's
a little more gravelly, you know, kind of whatever is
it wasn't you know? You you tell that it was
a little bit of review. I don't know how to
explain it.
Speaker 2: Well, it just was.
Speaker 7: It raspy, well kind of not, but it was long duration,
but it had a little bit different pitch. It was
a little deeper, a little more raspy, and it went
off and then when it went off, coyotes everywhere went off,
just went nuts. So Daniel jumps up, he grabs this
parabolic mic. If we didn't think to have anything setting out,
you know, any reportings or anything, because we were just
hanging out.
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's that's a different Yeah, it's.
Speaker 7: A different that's another that's a different one. Yeah, that's different,
Daniel different, Danny.
Speaker 3: Too, Well, yeah, that's a nice mic.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So Daniel has this really i mean really nice
parabolic and he jumps up. We're looking around. Nothing never
happens again. Next morning Daniel leaves. I tell my son.
I was like, hey, I want to go over where
we heard. I want to walk in that direction wherever
wherever that how comes you know, the direction of the
how come from. And he said, well, okay, I'll get ready,
we'll go with you said, I stay here, I'll go over.
Service is not great, but you'll be able to follow
me on GPS and if I if something happens, you know,
I got I got my pepew, I'll shoot in the
air a couple of times, and you know, you know
it's you know, come come looking. So we go over
and I get through the bliss blister swamp cover up
in there, and that's when I find that rock stack.
And then I walk off to the side and that's
when I find the soccer ball. It's but you know,
it looks like it had been picked up and bashed
on his boulder and and I'm like, now, this is
this is a cool area. You know. I've got historical
or I guess you say, stories that I've talked to
people about. There's one that's well known, uh that I
don't know if y'all know who John Kell is, but
John Kell, you know, was part of the Mothman stuff.
He wrote another book and he talks about just what
they you know, this sighting in that area, and it's
become known as the Canyon Monster. So you got all that.
I've taken reports from the area. We have a friend
that just down the area or down the road. Uh
trying to remember what year it was. It was years
a couple of years before we were there, but I
can't remember your Uh. He was camping with some other guys.
He was uh with some other folks. He was part
of the b f R O and they were doing
like a small camp out. Uh. He's in his tent.
Other people were in other tents. He hears something to
come across the creek. Here's something out messing around with
the cooler. He thinks of bear. So he just didn't
get out of tent. And then all of a sudden,
his hand pushes down on top of his tent, right
down on top of his face. So we're in that.
That's the area we're in.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's a it's a heavily travel A lot
of people travel it it cause it's a it's a
called camping. Uh, it's the first camping. But it's also
an off road trail. Plus it's an awesome place to
hike and got hiking trails out there. But like he said,
there's there's stuff out there that that you can hear
and it's a super super nice area.
Speaker 3: I got a question for you all this when we
were talking about looking around h in the past two months.
Now I know where both places are, but independently a
mom and a son, there's a place where there's some
Bfroro reports about fifteen miles as the crow flies here.
And I'm sure you've heard the flint of a monster
before and all that. That's not too far away. It's
east of here, southeast and then this place, and then
I can't mention where. But then I was with a
group and I was told something. I'm like, wait a minute,
it kind of matched up with what she had told me.
Have you, guys, I know, here and you get up
in the mountains some of the old homestead homes that
haven't been nobody's lived in since the twenties, thirties and forties.
Have you ever gone inside any of those and scene
where it looked like something might be betting?
Speaker 7: I mean, I've been into locations like that and you'll
find you'll find like a leaf piles. Whether that's a
betting or whether it's just something that's blown in. I
can't really say. I've never really found anything that's really,
like I said, defendively, has mashed it down and left
any kind of sign, like whether it's hair scat other
things like raccoons and stuff like that. But I saw
I guess the answer is no, not really Okay, you
know the.
Speaker 2: Only thing i've found is like the one of the
cheapy shape. It was real matted down inside, and it
was like you know how a deer will lay down
and you get beer beds. Yeah, that's what it was like.
That's about the only thing I've seen.
Speaker 3: I just I thought, since y'all were in West Virginia,
it's probably like places here where you'll run up on
the old homestead. And I didn't think much of it.
The lady or her son, I know where the roads at.
I've been through there and I know exactly which there's
only like two houses on the whole road. And she
said they heard something so like laughing and giggling, and
then something big come running out. She wasn't right around
back yet there's the doors off, and it jumped off
the porch and landed heavy on two feet. Now, she's
when she was nine she saw two big foot in
the area, so she's always known they were real. But
of course local people you call me or text me
or whatever email, and I'm like, okay, I didn't you
know that might be a one off thing, right, But
then I heard it again. I'm like, well, maybe we
need to start checking out some of these easy shelters,
you know, way back, yeah, way back off the beaten path.
That's just my I'm sorry y'all took away.
Speaker 2: From That's that's fine. I mean, you never know. I mean,
it's possible anything could live in one of those. That's
why you gotta be careful. You don't know if it's
gonna be a bob kat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are our means gone?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what we're we have to watch right now.
The area that Tammy and I go to quite a
bit of here in our area because like I don't
know if Danny told you, Danny and I are probably
what three and a half hours apart.
Speaker 2: He lives in the northern part of the state. I
live in the southern part of the state, and we've
kind of got both areas covered. He'll call me and
he'll say, hey, you know, can you check this out
or what do you think about this? And it's like
I asked him about one a friend of ours was
talking about an area just south of here, and he said, well,
he said, he said, I know what you're talking about.
I know that area, and he already knew about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I talked to a lot of people. People contact
me and and I have a couple of people here
and there that I talked to. They don't like to
be out and they don't like to be well known
or known about it. So I talked to him, they're
like kind of my liaisons in those certain areas and
the area he was talking about us, like, yeah, I
know guy there, So okay, that guy a call and
he's like, yeah, I got a guy that right now
says having experiences on his property. He says, as long
as we promise that we don't disclose location and stuff
like that, and he wants to meet us in advance
and discusting you talk to us that he was more
happy to show us around. But yeah, it's just cool,
like I said. But just to go back on, we're
Tammy and I are right now. It's spring and it
you know, with spring being on, we have to worry
about the bears waking up. So where we go there's
a lot of a lot of rock and stuff like that,
and these bears, you know, hibernate in these rocks. So
some of the research area that that we go to
is usually winter time. We usually don't hit it much
in spring because because the bear and the rattlesnake issues
because we have to. I don't know if Danny's show
any of the pictures where did you send them any
pictures where I took you up there and we're them
sloughts and he's crawling through the winlats.
Speaker 2: He took you up to the up near where he lives,
and he said, you're gonna like this, take you to
the caves. And I'm like, okay, I mean I wasn't
you know. I didn't know. I just knew partially what
I was getting into. And we go up to this
massive rock structure that I mean, it's like a it's
like a skyscraper, and it's trees all over and everything.
And you go to this one little area and it's
literally twelve inches wide that you know, between these two
rocks and it starts out about two foot wide and
goes like yes, he said, won't you go through there?
And I get up through there, but having I say,
I can't get through that around and he says, come on,
let's go down in the here. Took me down to
this little, this little hole that him and Tammy had
found it like a cave, and we sat there and
they had some some some firewood stashed in a hole.
We built a little fire and had a little lunch,
and then we got out and we left our stuff
and started walking around and we found some indentations, some
dugouts in the ground, and it was almost like and
there was little mounds. There was a mount and a
dug a dugout, and we found how many of them,
like twenty.
Speaker 7: Oh, there's a bunch of I don't know what they are.
I really can't. You know this this you know, those
this explanation of there's a way to beyond Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Probably this is something that's kind of weird that we
found and and Tammy stepped down in it, and it
was about three foot.
Speaker 7: Together, like it looks like they took the ground, dug
it out and made these mounds. And some of them
have rocks stand at the end of them. So I'm
talking to Tammy about this. You know, hey, what could
these things? You know, could he's be Native American mounds
or something like that. We're just you know, because Tammy's
you know, she's part Native American, and we're talking back
and forth. I turn around. Here's Danny with his walking
sticks stand on the top of one. I'm poking, poking
down in this thing, and I'm like, man, you're gonna
bring bad juji on all those seeming to.
Speaker 9: Wake up something you don't want. For sure.
Speaker 2: I'm there holding it, you know.
Speaker 6: He said.
Speaker 7: They're rubbing this cross now and like and.
Speaker 2: Then I turn around, you know, and and they go
over to this other area. And I've been down and
I pick up this rock and it was just a
flat rock and it was stuck down in the ground
like this, and listen, what are you doing? He said?
Speaker 3: That could be a headstone, right, Danny.
Speaker 7: But but the area, the area that it's in, I mean,
I'm sure if you're into all the kind of strange stuff,
you've probably heard of the Chestnut Ridge area that runs
through Pennsylvania and stuff like that. Well, where we're at
is that is the very southern tip of the Chestnut Ridge.
So there have been different sightings, you know, bigfoot sightings.
There's been you know, old other stories of of I
don' won't say lake monster, but there was a river
monsters supposedly they called it. They called it the Blue Holes.
Speaker 2: That what the heck? What's it called?
Speaker 7: The Cheat Lake monster or Cheat River Monster? UFO sidings
is all supposed to happen this but there's been multiple
bigfoot sightings in this area, and it's it's it's weird
that there is because it not too far from it,
it's relatively densely populated. I mean, it's Cheat Lake is
like a sub division part of Morgantown where the WU
University and all that stuff is that. But for some reason,
there's the reason I think there is is because this
property that's on top of this hill where we go
is all WU properties. So it's technically public, but it's
also private, I guess you'd say, because there's no development
on it. It backs up to the Coopers Rock State Forest.
It also that backs up to a very large stone quarry,
a couple of them actually, that one in West Virginia,
one in Pennsylvania that owned thousands of acres. It also
then it backs up to just on the other side
of that is Forbes State Forest in Pennsylvania, which is
thousands of acres, which is kind of one of the
hot spots for the Effayette County area of Pennsylvania. So
it's all like in this straight line. Also on that
southern tip of the region, and there's a right of
ways that come through there. There's rivers that come through.
So it's absolutely a wonderful place for one of these
things to be. You know, there's travel, there's food, there's shelter,
there's everything in this one area within like a fifteen
so square or a mile area, and and and it's just,
you know, an absolutely gorgeous place to be in a
fun place to be, except certain times years when you
got to worry about the bears and snakes.
Speaker 2: He just mentioned something that that one of the first
few things he said, whenever you go into an area,
look for food, any type of food. So its not
a lot of people think, you know, deer is the
number one. It could be anything. It could be deer, fish, snakes, ground, squirrels, berries, different.
Speaker 14: Grubs, grubs, yeahs, lizards, crawled ads, different kinds of of greens.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: He I didn't know this. And he told me about
skunk cabbage. Yea, and up there were camping. There's a
skunk cabbage forest all well, so.
Speaker 3: I was talking. We were talking to Marie Dumont down
in Florida last week and they they I forgot what
the plant they had, but she had a picture of
it tied up and hung in this tree, and it
reminded me of like when we secure tobacco and stuff
like that, and you know, saving it and keeping it
up away from whatever, and so a lot of this
stuff you're mentioned and has nutritional value and a lot
you know, and we probably, I guarantee, we could survive
off of it if we had to, if we knew
what it was. But that's that's that's the thing where
you know, when I first started talking to people, I'm guilty, y'all.
I'm telling on myself. I'm like the one I saw,
people like, how big was it? I'm putting an estimate
on it somewhere between seven and nine hundred two thousand
pounds because I don't know what. I've never seen no
bigfoot weight. I know what a hog looks like, and
I can tell you proximately for a bear or something
like that, something like that that you've seen and you've
seen them made right. So I was one of the people,
I'm thinking, how do they are there enough deer and
squirrels and stuff. I wasn't even thinking about her before,
you know, uh, it just yeah. But I had a
guy that I knew was taught well, he saw one digging,
sitting down and digging, and it was he said, I
don't know what it was, grubs or something and y'all.
This so this got me to thinking, like sometimes you
hear a thud, you know, a slap or whatever, and
uh so this thinking outside the box or spit botting
up against the wall. I'm thinking, Okay, I've kind of
heard that thud before, and some people say it's wood
on wood or whatever, and I'm like, what if it's
What if it's one slapping a tree to see if
it's hollow, maybe there's raccoons inside or it knows there
might be or insects, right, yeah, right.
Speaker 2: Like well on trees, some people think, you know they
beck on trees to make a hole to live. Oh,
they dig get insects out of the.
Speaker 3: Dirty digging it out right, well.
Speaker 2: And you never digging, I mean it could have been
digging for roots.
Speaker 3: M h.
Speaker 7: There was an encounter on Sasrus Chronicles where a guy
had he witnessed when I'm slapping a tree and and yeah,
and if I remember right, he slaps the tree and
a coon or apostle comes out and grabs a coon.
If I remember, I don't remember what episode. Oh wow,
But I've always said like like you said, there's you know,
if they slap the tree. I don't believe they do
the wooden knocks like what people think they do. I
don't think that is, at least not in our area.
I think that maybe if they do anything, it's more
maybe a rock clack. But as far as the noise
you hear, I think it's something they do physically somehow
with their body. Whether it's whether it's a mouthpop or
whether it's the thing that I don't know if you've
ever seen anybody do it like you know, and it
makes that noise, but it can do it, and it
sounds like it would like and it echoes everywhere.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 7: The reason I say that, the reason I say that
is because if I say, Roger, okay, I'm gonna send
you into the woods. I want you to walk until
you hear me blow this whistle. When you hear me
blow that whistle, I want you to pick up a
stick off the ground, hit a tree and make that noise.
There's ninety nine point nine percent there's no way you're
gonna do it because whatever you find on the ground
is gonna be a punky piece of wood, and what
are you're gonna hit on you the tree you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Hit, most of it's gonna break noise, and it's it.
Speaker 7: Most like you're not going to hit a dead tree.
You're gonna hear a hit a live tree. It's not
gonna give us out. So I believe that they do
something else to cause that.
Speaker 3: Well, I have heard this, and like Danny, I got
in with a you know, a group of people of
people's been doing this for decades, and I was told
to watch out for it or how to tell the difference.
And one Heather and I were at their hot spot
put it that way, and one day I heard what
sounded like a tree knock. But as soon as I
heard it, I'm like, wait a minute, that's a mouthpop
because I heard the resonance in the sinus cavity. And
for it to have that, for me to hear that,
it had to be a pretty big throat and sinus cavity.
So yeah, that that. I exited pretty quickly on that one.
And I said, and hang around.
Speaker 2: But I have a night stick in my backpack, and
he makes fun of me, but I do it. You know,
we just do it too mess around and then also
for protection.
Speaker 3: But that but Danny, that shows you, and that's probably
how less learned it. You You you have to find
the perfect tree to make it sound right. You can't
just pick any tree and do it. If it's got
dick bark on it, and you know, it's just gone thud.
Speaker 2: We tried it one day. We tried picking up sticks
and hitting trees, you know, to try to get a sound,
and we never could find anything right.
Speaker 3: It almost would have to be a like a hackberry
thin bark something, because we heard one two weeks ago
at the 'l BL and I looked at Heather and
hardly anybody was there. But it was too perfect. Yeah,
it sounded like a baseball bat on a skint piece
of oak, you know what I mean. It was almost
too perfect. It didn't sound like a mouthpop, it didn't
sound like it sounded like legit hardwood on hardwood. And
so I was skeptical of it because it sounded too perfect.
Speaker 7: Well, and then that leads into if they are doing
wood knocks like that, you know, if they do know
how to do it, that puts them in a different
realm with some people think they're just a stupid eight.
You know, they have to have some kind of intelligence.
They know what would to pick up, they know what
tree to hit, you know, in order to do that.
So that's another reason why I kind of like back
away from the woodknock stuff, and I think it's more
of a physical thing that they do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you what I did here. I tell
what I did here. One time, my son can back
me up. I had an audio going. You can hear
a little bit of it. I didn't know what I
was hearing it first, but I actually heard we had
one throwing a fit, a small one over here, yelling
something behind us, and what I heard sounded like it
picked up a dead log, drug it to it and
got the balance, hit a tree and we heard the
end break and helicopter through the limbs and bounce. So
that was a that was a kind of like a
bluff charge and a fit, you know what I mean
that it was mumbling and walking in the circle. So
I've heard stuff like that, but I'm gonna be honest
with you. I've heard the rock clacks. I've heard the
mouth pops.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well we heard a whistle one night and my son,
he's my sound guy, and I'm like, that ain't what
I think it is, is it? He said, no, it's worse.
It's a mama mountain lion calling for young We need
to get to the truck.
Speaker 2: But that you put you put up there with me
in a parabolic mic.
Speaker 7: Yeaheah.
Speaker 2: That same weekend last April, that one wait, let's took
us to this one area that it was a piece
of problem. You can see how steep the hill is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, that doesn't even give it to justice. Or
he found a little little flat spot on the logging road.
Speaker 2: And I was where I was sitting, and probably you were,
what about twenty five yards from me?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Uh? And then West was about twenty five yards up
from him, and you can see how you know, the
lighting is right there. It's it's getting kind of close
to dark. And I'm sitting there listening, and all of
a sudden we heard a whistle and we're all looking
at each other and doing the two fingers in the
mouth and just looking at each other and like, what's
going on? I keyed the mic. As soon as I
keyed that mic, it was like it did it again,
and it was like it was standing in front of me.
But we never did see anything. But Wes said he
saw something kind of black Yeah, a shadow about twenty
twenty five yards in front of him.
Speaker 3: How was the hearing it with your ears? How was
the volume on that? Was it?
Speaker 7: I could? I could, My son and I were setting
in one spot and Wes Wes probably heard it better
than anybody because it came from his direction up above
it or like below him, so he heard it better anybody.
But it was And I'm pretty hard hearing, hard of
hearing when it comes to higher pitch noises. I was
able to hear, and my son heard it. Danny heard
it and then did it again like he then he say,
you said he keyed to mic and he we all
heard it again, and he just looks at me like
but we we didn't see anything. We couldn't see anything,
but it did. It did drop down quite a bit
into a valley. H it got it got a little
thicker down in that area. But to this day we
still don't know. Yeah, I mean it means, yeah, it
could be something else, but it was pretty neat that
we heard this whistle in the woods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you did you catch that on the audio?
Speaker 2: Danny? I didn't have. I didn't have except for record.
Speaker 3: Oh and yeah, when it happens yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Just sat there. As soon as I keyed the mic
to listen for, you know, any kind of movement in
and to leave it whistled the whistle sound again wherever
I mean it was, and it was from where West
was with. Like I said, left was about twenty twenty
five yards away from me, and he was about twenty
twenty five yards up and it was down below him,
and I mean we just it didn't scare us. We
just centered and it was just really cool to hear
something like we didn't know what it was or even
fully the direction. I mean, you couldn't tell, but it
was really.
Speaker 7: Neat well, I mean I wasn't I wasn't really expecting
to hear sound because we could see so far. We
didn't couldn't see anything.
Speaker 2: It was an awesome deer stand.
Speaker 7: Yeah, We're just sitting there and listening and listening, and
all of a sudden we hear this whistling noise and
it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: It was cool.
Speaker 3: One's that's that's what me and my daddy used call
our wood a wood sign language make it up right
there like what what what he said? Free my lip?
But anyway, uh, yeah, the terrain like right there. If
you take that terrain that you have with all that
rocks and that cover, that's kind of what we have
on the north end of this county, but flatter, Uh,
the south end has the big hills and all. It's
a really weird county.
Speaker 2: That was kind of the road. It was like an
old log road that went downs like this down the
hill and we went down to the bottom and found
a spring and started looking around the spring and around
the edges of the spring, you know, trying to find
some footprints.
Speaker 7: And that's where we found the other little rockstack. By
the spring. There was another one like it was marking
the water source right right at the right at the bottom,
like where this road come down, which the road had been.
I mean it was probably one hundred years old old log.
It road have been hundred years old, but you can
still follow it through there. And it got down and
it cut down around the turn and there's a spring
right out of the hill and you see this little rockstack,
you know, like right next to the spring, like it
was something that was there marking it. But where the
elevation right there again it is pretty high. That's we
were right next to the second highest elevation or point
in West Virginia. So we were close to I thinks no, no,
is it Port Mount, Crown Mount whatever it is, four thousand,
seven hundred feet. We were probably at forty five to
forty six hundred feet where we were at, So.
Speaker 2: That was the one that was across the hill.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right over on the other side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well it Danny and leask. Do y'all tell
people where they can find you or get in touch
with you if you want to do that. If you
have a website or a Facebook page or anything that
you're welcome to pitch it on here if you want to,
because we appreciate y'all coming on and talking to us
well on Facebook.
Speaker 2: I don't have anything major, just and you can see
me on old Line Cryptis on Tuesday nights.
Speaker 3: Yep, you was on their last Tuesday, wasn't you? I
think was that you? Yeah? I watched any shows. I
try to support everybody. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I'm almost uh and Jeff and Uh. That's that's about.
That's about the thing I got.
Speaker 7: Well, if you've had any any sightys in West Virginia,
you can reach out to me on the face on
my Facebook West Virginia cripton strange encounters, but it's probably
easier to email me at w V Case three or
four at Yahoo dot com because for some reason, I
don't know if anybody's ever into that. On Facebook, you
have to have a whole separate app, like it's I
don't know what it's called now, but to actually see
your messages anymore when you have a bigger page.
Speaker 9: The business suite or whatever.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the business suite. Yeah, it's a pain that to
us too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had I had a Yahoo account one time and
had it rocking and rolling. It just disappeared. I don't
know what happened to it. And I had all my business,
you know, comingto that. I'm like, I don't know. I
had was in real estate and it just disappeared on me.
I don't know, I don't know. It's crazy. Technology is great,
but when when it don't work, it's aggravating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a problem with some of the some of
the stuff right now.
Speaker 7: Myself Facebook, I don't know what happened with Facebook a
few years ago. Like I had my personal page and
I had my West Virginia case page and they were
both just like personal pages. All of a sudden, Facebook
decided to take the larger page of the West Virginia
case page and turn it into like a business page.
I guess they called it. So when they did that,
you can't receive messages through it. You have to go
through a business suit, sweet suit, whatever it's called, to
see messages and everything else. So a lot of times
I don't get I don't get any up or not
updates announcements that I've gotten messages. So it's easier just
to go through WV just the WV case c as
three or four at yah dot com. That's usually where
a lot of people email me.
Speaker 2: Now yeah, I just have people hit me up on Facebook,
or I'll be at work it's broken here in town
and start talking to people or and or wearing a
shirt or something.
Speaker 3: And that's what I say. We talked about that early,
and it amazing. You can wear a shirt and people come.
Some people will look at you kind of side eye,
but then the others like, oh man, you believe in bigfoot?
I said, well, I have no.
Speaker 2: Choice, look at me in and say are you sure?
Speaker 7: The one The ones I like are the ones that
look at you side eyed and you're like, you know,
and they'll come up and talk to you. You really believe
in that stuff, and you'll talk to him and you'll
get to listen to you for a little bit and
they get comfortable with you, and all of a sudden
they'll go, you know there was that one time, and
they'll start telling you their story or somebody else that
or you know, they know their story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So so how many people less have you talked
to her? Danny Like, I've said this before many times,
but oh, you believe in big Bigfoot? And what I
always come up with, I'm like, well, yes, well have
you ever had any ghost stories or anything happen to you?
And then they'll tell you they can't believe in something
bigfoot flesh and blood. But Grandma that's been dead for
fifteen years, they saw her cooking breakfast one morning, you
know what I mean, don't just they'll let loose for
those stories.
Speaker 9: So, yeah, we UFOs or anything else.
Speaker 2: But for one of the reason is just too got
a relative that has kind of like, nah, you're at
a at my birthday party last year. This person that's
very very close to me said in the sixties me
and I'm will say, Bobby, I don't remember what the
guy's name worked getting ready to climb on a dozer.
They was working at a high on a highway in Virginia
and said, hey, come over here and look what I
look check this out. And he said he went over
and looked. There was this massive footprint. And they got
looking and there was several of them that whatever this
was that had a massive footprint was climbing around on
this dozer piece of equipment that that they had sitting there. Yeah,
this person doesn't say anything else about it, but you know,
I'll stuff around it.
Speaker 3: There's no telling how many stories like that. I want
to say something that quick Jerry with the old line
cryptis it's a prayers to anyone in or near Enny, Oklahoma.
Apparently there's there's bad weather and tornadoes and we want
to send out prayers to everybody that's in the path
of that because that's one thing that I am really
terrified fight.
Speaker 2: H is.
Speaker 3: One of my first memories was the tornado. So yeah,
we I hope everybody's okay.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're talking about everybody talking about you know, what
we're into and stuff like that, and they come up
to you. I got a very supportive work team and
this is what the seriously, this is what they made
for me? Uh I think it was last year somewhere
around my birthday.
Speaker 3: That is cool, that's what does it say on the
what did that other things say there on the back?
Or is that.
Speaker 10: Just a scrap at West Virginia and uh yeah, big.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah. I'm the office manager for a pretty good
size all the recycling and scrap business.
Speaker 3: So see, you you've got them comfortable enough to get
you a shirt, So maybe you're kind of uh changing
their views.
Speaker 2: I know, like my store manager and and some of
the people I work with, and now they like understand
they they're kind of excited that it's like it's like, hey,
you know, it's kind of cool that you do this,
and they're not. I mean, it's like they're on the fence,
most of them, and then some of them are on
the side of the fence, like nah.
Speaker 3: That ain't But but I think there's more people on
the fence now than there were, you know, they were
nomally whatever. Because and people ask all the time, I'm
sure y'all get it, where's all the proof, where's all
the proves? I just dropped my head and like, uh yeah,
put it in the work, like we all did you
know what I mean, Danny put it into work, met Mett.
Last he goes out.
Speaker 10: The magical things that we carry in our hands.
Speaker 2: For you, right. Yeah. The first thing is like do
you have any pictures? It's like, no, I mean I've
I've got pictures of stuff that I've seen and stuff,
but you know that I've witnessed. Wait, but I don't
have any pictures. You know, one come up to me
and say, hey, let's do a selfish.
Speaker 3: That's right, it's yeah, we had any had that.
Speaker 9: They look at you and be like, oh, that's fake.
You photoshop that it no matter what.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well when somebody says that do you have any pictures?
Most of the time like because they were like, there
you have a cell phone with you at all times?
And I'm like, yeah, yeah I do. I don't have
it on or don't have it like ready to go
at all times. So I'll challenge them. And I do
this when I speak to people, you know, when I
do like the Library talks and in the presentation, I'll
put Harry into Henderson's face right in the middle of
that presentation and I'll tell of them and said, hey,
when you see bigfoot in this presentation, I want you
to get your phone out, take a picture, to take
a picture, and the first one to give me the
picture you know, I'll give you. I'll give you a
book that's awesome. I've had one person do it, and
I swear she cheated, I really do uh. And the
reason I do that? And I asked him, I said,
why why do you think I've done do that in
this presentation? And they'll usually look at me like deer
in the headlights. I said, because the average sighting lasts
anywhere for three to five seconds. I said, that video
was right there or that picture levels up there for
five seconds. So I've challenged you to get your phone out,
open your app, take a picture within that five seconds.
And I said, only one person has done it. And
then and then a lot of people just like understand,
you know what where we're coming from. Why we don't
have pictures all the time? Or these people with you know,
claim they have sightings don't have pictures because one, it
takes that long. Two, your your mind goes into your
brain just goes into like shut down mode or whatever.
You're trying to make sense of what's going on. So
it takes a while for you to reboot and and
and get back your conscious system. But you know, you
know what I mean to understand, Hey, I need to
take a picture. Very seldom does that happen.
Speaker 3: Right, It's it's just even even with a and you
think about this, If it's a twenty second one up close,
you're fearing for your life.
Speaker 2: So yeah, because you don't know what's gonna happen. My light.
Speaker 3: My light just went up, y'all. I'm sorry. That's about
blinded me. Is like the lightning went off.
Speaker 9: I say, you get struck by lightning there for a.
Speaker 3: Second, y'all. It's it's been fun. We're coming up on
a few hours. And thank y'all so much. Danny, thank you, Les,
thank you, nice to meet you.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Everybody in chat. Thank y'all. I was showing pictures. You
justly want to show pictures. I can't. I can't see
the comment. So thank everybody for being here. Now here's
what we're gonna do. We're gonna do what we did
last week. I'm gonna show a play a song that
Doug and I did. I wrote it, he produced it.
And this one here I'm very proud of because the
way he put it together just blew me away. So anyway,
everybody's listening on Spotify, it's Eli Colter and you can
find it free on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, Amazon, It's like
forty different ones, but we do have it to be
available for free on YouTube. So I'm gonna play this
and the people that want to hang in can hang in.
People that don't won't hurt my feelings. But if you're
in a car listening to this later, turn this one
up and then when I get done, we'll play the
outro and we'll we'll head on out here. But everybody
have a great weekend. Be safe. We'll keep on the storms. Yes, right, y'all,
stay in touch. I know Danny is stay in touch.
Speaker 7: I just want to say too that there's two people
in the chat that I knew, Dave and Donnie. I
want to say, hey, guys, thanks for coming and supporting
me and Danny.
Speaker 3: Yep, thank you for coming in. We appreciate it too.
Speaker 2: I want to thank this man right here because he's
t me a lot and I appreciate him helping me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm proud. I'm I'm proud when somebody gets
into it and finds their people, because that's that seems
like what's happened. I'm not gonna let this slide. I did, say, Jerry,
see Jerry and Blackie making fun of me and Danny
and say we lot like twins. So I'm sorry Danny
that they pull it down there. All right, y'all have
a good night. All right, bye bye.
Speaker 5: What if I'm chasing something, I won't come.
Speaker 2: Eating, won't be in.
Speaker 5: I can't jove the dorfe scared, but I don't walked on.
That's where it all began. I held my eyebreath cross
the line.
Speaker 3: Scared, but I did it anyway.
Speaker 5: Scared, but I did it anyway. I wanted fat heat
in the show selfishness trow me, hadn't let it go.
Speaker 3: It wasn't stage.
Speaker 2: That stopped my facts.
Speaker 5: It was what I saw, staring back, fighting, no sin.
Speaker 3: I felt the wind, never looked bad.
Speaker 8: Scared, but I did it anyway.
Speaker 5: It's been years now, five folks changed.
Speaker 4: Called the fast.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know my name.
Speaker 6: They put me through.
Speaker 2: When it's their faces that moved these saws.
Speaker 3: I wanted fame. He did the show selfishness throw me?
Speaker 4: How to let it go?
Speaker 3: It wasn't the stage. That's not my tracks.
Speaker 5: It was what I saw staring back five most man,
I fell the wind, never looked bad.
Speaker 6: Scared, but I.
Speaker 5: Did it anyway, made in mine.
Speaker 11: Alason scared, but I did it anyway.
Speaker 3: All right, that is awesome, So thank you, Hey, Doug.
Doug is amazing, y'all. Y'all just don't know. But anyway,
y'all have a good weekend, Stay safe, be good bye.
Speaker 6: Down in the pines, where the water runs black, where
the moss sangs low and the night leans back. The
stores whisper about a shadow, tall, big feet moving where
the moon that fall.
Speaker 8: Some say it be some saved ghosts in the trees.
Some say it trouble blowing.
Speaker 2: In where the breeze.
Speaker 4: But around here, man, we know the call, or we
just call him friends. The squatching holler, So lie that
and the cat tell sick in.
Speaker 6: The nine birth time copperheads feeding here yorg the fall
that ain't on, and it ain't no.
Speaker 8: Dog when the creek gross cold and the shadows get taller.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you grousing in the squatting all the whell.
Speaker 2: Legend wong getting a brain in fuddles. But I mind
your staffing and squatching.
Speaker 8: Where Boody tell me stories about the thing. Ain't saut
to ten.
Speaker 4: Foot high with a tomb, but y'all red eyes burning
like a summer's coat, least.
Speaker 2: Tracks big enough to swallow your soul.
Speaker 8: Of the old folks laugh saying, don't you fear could
have been living here for hundreds of years. Treat them
with respect.
Speaker 6: When the moon gets smaller, and they'll let you live
in squatching.
Speaker 2: Holler sold that fire.
Speaker 5: Let the swarm from roll.
Speaker 2: You can hear that beas right down in your soul.
Speaker 6: If you hear those drum from the river call it
ain't no boat fro balking the long.
Speaker 2: Little swam steal and the crickets get salt to y'all.
Speaker 5: Lid alone, and it spotting the weather break day ties
into fools.
Speaker 3: Some coble give me watching the spotting. Some say, gods
it old pine ridge.
Speaker 6: Something said he walks from bridge to bridge, the warm
things show when the night comes down, something big still calls,
it's grown.
Speaker 3: So bank that hell.
Speaker 4: Let the night get teep at the willows, whisper o.
Speaker 2: The coots creeps.
Speaker 8: Did you catch us glimpse.
Speaker 2: Through the midnight?
Speaker 3: Holler, just now your head don't scream.
Speaker 6: And hollered the father wild, I'm on spring, and the
legends getting taller, how.
Speaker 2: Where it runs.
Speaker 3: In watching Holly, we
Speaker 5: Ain't scared, but we sure staying cautious down in the knockout,
that squatching holler,