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<v Speaker 1>Oh, oh, guess what day it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what day it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Huh anybody, it's hump dya, Yes, it is hump Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big Blue and sider Dick Gabriel with

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<v Speaker 1>you on a Wednesday. It's a big week because we

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<v Speaker 1>have college basketball behind us, but the Masters ahead of us.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have football ahead of us. On Saturday, Kay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll fling open the gates and allow fans to come

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<v Speaker 1>in and take a good look at this year's Wildcat team.

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<v Speaker 1>Must say a good look. It's not a blue white game,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll talk about that more in our next segment.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll also hear from Mark Stroops and one of the Wildcats.

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<v Speaker 1>One more look at college basketball, and we'll keep you

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<v Speaker 1>posted as best we can on the portal because again

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<v Speaker 1>we pre record, so things happen late in the afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>and we can't bring it to you in a timely manner, sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll keep an eye on what's going on with

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<v Speaker 1>players coming and going. And ESPN has a mock draft

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<v Speaker 1>that includes Kobe Brea. He has worked his way into

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<v Speaker 1>the second round. They're predicting he'll be the fifty fourth

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<v Speaker 1>player taken by the Indiana Pacers. So if that's the case,

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<v Speaker 1>good for him. But he did that, of course with

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<v Speaker 1>his incredible shooting, but also his ability to guard. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he's shown people that he's a good enough athlete to

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<v Speaker 1>get out there and guard. Of course they're saying Cooper

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<v Speaker 1>Flagg goes number one. Interestingly, Rutgers, and we talked with

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Gershan about this earlier in the season. Rutgers, it

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<v Speaker 1>says here will have players go second and third. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>when Kentucky had players go one and two back after

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twelve national title team. Well, it says here,

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<v Speaker 1>Rutgers will have players going one and two. But Rutger

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<v Speaker 1>has nothing after that. Rutgers finished fifteen and seventeen this

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<v Speaker 1>season with two lottery picks projected, lost three of its

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<v Speaker 1>last four in the Big Ten, now to Michigan, to Purdue,

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<v Speaker 1>beat Minnesota in overtime to close out the regular season,

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<v Speaker 1>and then lost to Southern cal in a great Big

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<v Speaker 1>Ten matchup in the tournament in the Big Ten Tournament

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<v Speaker 1>in two overtimes, and that ended the season for Rutgers.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Rutgers lost six of its last nine. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is with these two kids who supposedly will go

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<v Speaker 1>second and third, but you know you got to have

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<v Speaker 1>people around him. Trey Johnson of Texas had a big

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<v Speaker 1>game against Kentucky. Projected to go fifth. Jeremiah Fears from Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>another SEC player going sixth. We mentioned Cooper Flag Well,

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<v Speaker 1>two other dookies going it says here in the top ten,

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<v Speaker 1>including Kanka Nipple. You've got Maloche at number seven, Canimple

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<v Speaker 1>number eight, and another SEC going tenth, Colin Murray Boyles.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of familiar names in that top ten.

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<v Speaker 1>No Wildcats this year, Maybe next year we'll see. You

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<v Speaker 1>may know by now Kenny Brooks has a big time transfer.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be a big time transfer. Josie Gilvin six

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<v Speaker 1>foot guard. That's big for a guard. Now, six foot

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<v Speaker 1>guard out of Sacred Heart over in Louisville, where they

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<v Speaker 1>know how to play, had a great year at Western Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirteen points in game, six and a half rebounds, two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half assists, and two and a half steals

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<v Speaker 1>per game. One of the best defensive players in Conference USA,

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<v Speaker 1>helped Western Kentucky to a twenty three to nine record,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen and five in the conference, got to the conference

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<v Speaker 1>tournament semifinals. She was All Conferenced Second Team and All

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<v Speaker 1>Defensive Team. So she gives Kenny Brooks some toughness on

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<v Speaker 1>the perimeter and that's going to be important obviously coming

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<v Speaker 1>up this season with Georgia Amore gone and they got

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<v Speaker 1>some holes to fill. Tough night for the baseball Wildcats.

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<v Speaker 1>If you heard Darren Hendrick Hall, you might have seen

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<v Speaker 1>it on the ACC Network. But for the second straight

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<v Speaker 1>outing and third time in their last four games, Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>played overtime but lost it when it had it. Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>took the lead in the tenth inning, but then Louisville

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<v Speaker 1>comes back and scores two runs in the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the tenth and beats Kentucky four to three at Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Patterson Stadium. The Cats now eighteen and twelve on the year,

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<v Speaker 1>and who's coming to town this weekend only the second

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<v Speaker 1>rank Texas Longhorns. For the longest time, last night it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like what it had. In fact, it did what

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<v Speaker 1>had happened over the weekend with ole miss carried over

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<v Speaker 1>for the Baseball Wildcats. Pitching in defense, they made big play,

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<v Speaker 1>they made big pitches. They were down two to one,

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<v Speaker 1>got a timely hit to tie things up, but Unlike

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<v Speaker 1>last year when the two teams scored thirty runs, this

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<v Speaker 1>one was two to two through nine and in the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of the ninth. I was amazed that this happened,

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<v Speaker 1>not that he made the play. Rafael Peltier started the game.

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<v Speaker 1>He has been the backup to Devin Burks. They were

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<v Speaker 1>sharing the position until Peltier began to struggle a bit

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<v Speaker 1>at the plate. But he got to start last night

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<v Speaker 1>and had paid off for Nick Minjion. Louisville had the

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<v Speaker 1>winning run in the ninth inning on second base. A

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<v Speaker 1>kid doubled to open up the inning and he picked

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<v Speaker 1>him off. Peltier picked him off. I think there was

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<v Speaker 1>a misbunt and the kid wandered off the bag and

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<v Speaker 1>Peltier picking Tyler Bell, made a great scoop of the

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<v Speaker 1>throw and tagged the kid out. Now, ultimately there was

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<v Speaker 1>another kid who doubled with two outs and he tried

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<v Speaker 1>to steal third, going against baseball convention. You had two

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<v Speaker 1>things working against you there. Number one, you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be the last out of the inning at third base.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a cliche, that's just smart baseball. But this

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<v Speaker 1>kid was a great base dealer, and Peltier threw him out.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. He had just watched Peltier pick

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<v Speaker 1>his teammate off second base, and there a base HiT's

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<v Speaker 1>going to score him with a winning run. But for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason he tried to steal third and they gunned

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<v Speaker 1>him down. So in the tenth Inny Griffin Cameron with

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<v Speaker 1>a great bunt and Louisville threw it away, so he

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<v Speaker 1>winds up on second. A bunt later, cole Hage on

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<v Speaker 1>a two strike pitch dumps went over the third basement's

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<v Speaker 1>head in the left and the Wildcats take a three

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<v Speaker 1>to two lead, but the bullpen just couldn't hold it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's been a problem this year. So now you got

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<v Speaker 1>Texas coming in. You've already lost two home series in

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<v Speaker 1>the SEC. You got to get this one. You got

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<v Speaker 1>to win two out of three. But it's a really

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<v Speaker 1>good ball club coming in. We'll have it for You're

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<v Speaker 1>right here on six thirty WLAP and Aaron Hedrick's got

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<v Speaker 1>the call. SEC Networks got the first two games SEC plus,

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<v Speaker 1>but Doug Flynn and yours truly as the third game.

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<v Speaker 1>I found this online. You might have seen this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is really fascinating. If you win the Masters, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you get. Well, you get a green jacket, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a tradition that started in nineteen forty nine, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>an engraved gold nameplate inside. You can take that nameplate home,

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<v Speaker 1>but the jacket stays at Augusta. You get your name

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<v Speaker 1>on the Master's Trophy, but that stays at Augusta, and

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<v Speaker 1>you get a smaller version forty percent the original size

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<v Speaker 1>of the original. You also get a Master's Gold medal

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<v Speaker 1>that dates back to nineteen thirty four. You get an

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<v Speaker 1>engraved gold locket, which I guess goes see to your

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<v Speaker 1>wife or your girlfriend or your mom whatever. Invitation to

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<v Speaker 1>the Champion's Dinner, which started in nineteen fifty two after

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Hogan's first Master's victory, that's on Tuesday. Honorary membership

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<v Speaker 1>to Augusta National. You can't beat that. You get a

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<v Speaker 1>locker in the Champion's locker room. You get access to

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<v Speaker 1>the Champion's only range, lifetime invitation to the Masters three

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<v Speaker 1>and a half million dollars that'll work, and a five

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<v Speaker 1>year major exemption that's huge, a five year PGA Tour exemption.

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<v Speaker 1>Those exemptions are just gold on the golf tours. You

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<v Speaker 1>get a special tea time each year, every past Master's

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<v Speaker 1>champ is allowed to bring a guest to play on

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<v Speaker 1>a Sunday before the Masters. The Scheffler brought his mom.

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<v Speaker 1>So my advice to you is take up golf and

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<v Speaker 1>go out and win the Masters. Get a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>cool stuff. Coming up at the bottom of the hour,

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<v Speaker 1>David Sisk will join us from Cats Illustrated. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>college basketball naturally. We'll talk about the final four of

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<v Speaker 1>the championship game and just how Florida was able to

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<v Speaker 1>come back and pull it off against Houston. A little

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<v Speaker 1>bit later on Sean Woods, the Unforgettable Guard and Gary Moore,

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<v Speaker 1>West n Bureau Chief. Up next, Mark Stoops talks about

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<v Speaker 1>tight ends. We'll also hear from one of his best

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<v Speaker 1>tight ends, and that's heart hitting Willie Rodriguez. That's coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next on a Big Blue and Sider here on

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<v Speaker 1>six thirty WLAP. Welcome back to the Big bluon Sider.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up in just a few minutes to David Sisk

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<v Speaker 1>of Cats Illustrated, part of the Rivals Network. A little

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<v Speaker 1>bit later on our number two, Sean Woods, the Unforgettable Guard.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk with him each and every week, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as our West End Bureau Chief Gary Moore, who is

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<v Speaker 1>back from MCALI, so we will resume our chats with him.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a Kentucky football fan, you've already got your

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<v Speaker 1>calendar marked for this Saturday, ten am Kroger Field. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the spring they're calling it the Football Spring Showcase, practice segments,

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<v Speaker 1>interactive features for fans. You're not going to see a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of full gameplay, but you will get a better

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<v Speaker 1>look at what you've what you've got coming up for

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<v Speaker 1>the coming football season. You can learn about the Wildcats.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, ten am at Kroger Field this Saturday. Not

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<v Speaker 1>a blue white game. And you know what, You're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to see many blue white games anymore, I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 1>because coaches are going to want to protect their rosters.

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<v Speaker 1>If you put a blue white game out there, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be on TV somewhere, there will be video everywhere. And kid,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kids that you're trying to kind of hide

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<v Speaker 1>on your depth chart, they may get coach, they may

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<v Speaker 1>end up leaving, just like Kentucky had a d back

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<v Speaker 1>last year, but a great spring game and next thing

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's on another team. So anyhow, check it

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<v Speaker 1>out this Saturday. One of the things I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>look for and we always look for it, don't we.

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<v Speaker 1>Every year is tight end. Look, Kentucky said, so many

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<v Speaker 1>talented tight ends come through and just not catch as

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<v Speaker 1>many balls of late that we thought they would. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you got to go back to CJ. Conrad. So

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<v Speaker 1>the last tight end, it was really a weapon, and

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't catch as many as we thought he might.

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<v Speaker 1>But really, to me, the biggest is not the only reason,

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<v Speaker 1>but the biggest reason is because the old line has

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<v Speaker 1>struggled for the past three years, and that means you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to keep a tight end in to block and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going out on design routes. Maybe they released

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<v Speaker 1>after they've chipped or even taken somebody on straight up.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've got the new offense with Bush Hampden. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got some talent in the room once again. And we

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<v Speaker 1>talked to Mark Stoops about is the last time after

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<v Speaker 1>the practice when he allowed the media to watch. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the Kentucky depth chart, you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>probably eight new names in what would be the starting lineup,

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<v Speaker 1>most of them on the old line. Jimory Macklin is there,

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Farmer they think might start at left guard. You

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<v Speaker 1>know they work Jagger Burton at center, but he's been

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<v Speaker 1>working primarily at right guard, where he's listed behind Joshua

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<v Speaker 1>Broun new QB new starting running back very likely, although

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<v Speaker 1>you may see Jamaran Willcox move into the starting lineup

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<v Speaker 1>before the season opener. But one of the starters they've

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<v Speaker 1>got coming back you've got to be certain is Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Katis at tight end. He's a senior. I can't but

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like he just got here. But he's a senior.

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<v Speaker 1>You've also got a new face in a tight end,

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<v Speaker 1>or more than one. But the biggest target is Henry Boyer,

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<v Speaker 1>easy to spot. Transferred in from Illinois. He's listed right

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<v Speaker 1>now ahead of Willi Rodriguez, but I wouldn't be surprised

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<v Speaker 1>if you saw a lot of Willi Rodriguez. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see him all over the field, special teams, offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Stoops really likes him primarily because of his toughness.

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<v Speaker 3>Will's just tough, you know, just a tough guy.

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<v Speaker 4>You know good?

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<v Speaker 3>You know again, I love everything about Willie, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he just it's one of those guys you want on

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<v Speaker 3>has some really good ability. So yes, we'd like to

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<v Speaker 3>get him the ball. And I know everybody would like

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<v Speaker 3>to see him get the ball. My mother, God rest

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<v Speaker 3>her soul, Silvi. We you know, you know that, you

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<v Speaker 1>That's a comment that referred to a question that Stoops

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<v Speaker 1>like whenever tight ends catch the ball, it's because they

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<v Speaker 1>Or you've got to give them a chance to beat

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<v Speaker 1>on a defender. So now it's exciting. Think think back

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<v Speaker 1>to Jacob Tammy catching football after football when when Rich

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<v Speaker 1>asked Rodriguez a few minutes later to comment on Stoops's

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so that's awesome here. I mean, that's that's what

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<v Speaker 5>and what's somebody that you want on your team? It

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<v Speaker 5>makes I think it's everything. I think it's got to

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<v Speaker 5>be on and off the field for someone you want

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<v Speaker 5>your team. I think it's in the locker room, trying

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<v Speaker 5>to be a leader everywhere everywhere you go in the community,

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<v Speaker 5>and also when you get out on the field, being

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<v Speaker 5>the leader and being the league the whole team that, yes, sir, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>obviously being physical and you know when you put the

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<v Speaker 5>helmet off, it's obviously an old different person than off

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<v Speaker 5>the field, but I think that should be known. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think, you know, you put the helmet on, you

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<v Speaker 5>I complete a different person on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Which he is. Hey, remember Rodriguez delivered the hit that

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<v Speaker 1>forced to fumble on the first play of the game

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<v Speaker 1>on the kickoff down there at Old Miss this past

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<v Speaker 1>year now in review, it was reversed in a ball

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<v Speaker 1>went back to Old Miss, but it kind of set

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<v Speaker 1>a tone and it was Willie Rodriguez who made it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's made a lot of things happen on special teams.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe we'll see him more on offense. And he

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<v Speaker 1>believes that because they're in the second year with ham Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>things will go could see will be a lot better.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's having year two in the offense. This

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<v Speaker 5>big thing, you know. I was talking to Josh Gattis,

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<v Speaker 5>He's obviously had three different offensive coordinators. He said, coming

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<v Speaker 5>back year two on this offense is very big, and

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<v Speaker 5>especially for me just come back. I feel really comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>So keep an eye on Willie Rodriguez when you're at

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<v Speaker 1>the football open practice on Saturday starts at ten am,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can move on over to Kentucky Baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to throw in a couple of person notes.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, a big thank you to anybody who

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<v Speaker 1>reached out. It's a very nice ceremony last night in

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<v Speaker 1>reception for the Kentucky Journalism Hall of Fame, I was

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<v Speaker 1>so fortunate enough to be included in this year's class,

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<v Speaker 1>so grateful, so humbled and surprised, and as I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in my speech, thanks to UK Assistant ad Tony Neely,

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<v Speaker 1>who oversaw football sports information for so long. Now in

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<v Speaker 1>the capable hands of Susan Lax. But Tony's been promoted.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tony was the one who first approached me about

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<v Speaker 1>But to anybody and everybody who's reached out, I say

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very very much, and it's a huge thrill

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<v Speaker 1>and a great honor. Number two, just on a personal note.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just you know, a public service announcement, and I

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<v Speaker 1>get checked every year. It runs in a family. My

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<v Speaker 1>like it's harder and harder these days to protect yourself

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<v Speaker 1>out in the sun. It was on the side of

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<v Speaker 1>my face, on my temple, and I use sunblock, but

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<v Speaker 1>times on that part of my face. I won't any more.

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<v Speaker 1>But please get yourself checked because, as you may well know,

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<v Speaker 1>skin cancer that might just be. This thing was tiny.

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<v Speaker 1>I still didn't, never saw it until they really pointed

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<v Speaker 1>it circled and pointed it out. But as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>serious of the skin cancers, but any form can go

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<v Speaker 1>bad on you. So please get yourself checked out. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much, we need you out there. Up next,

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<v Speaker 1>David sisk if Cats Illustrated six. Welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Blue and Cider. Joining us now as a guy

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<v Speaker 1>we love talking basketball David Sisk of Cats Illustrated, part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rivals Network, And before we talk about Monday

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<v Speaker 1>night's game, let's talk about Jaden Quainton's who committed yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>A top five pick, originally signed in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>but spent twenty this past season at Arizona State. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you know about him? Coach?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's a man child. And you know, after watching

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some of these teams in the final four,

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<v Speaker 2>all four of them really, and seeing just the physicality

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<v Speaker 2>have guys like this, and I think, interestingly enough of

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona State, he's only the philth freshman in history to

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<v Speaker 2>make the All Freshmen team and All Defensive team in

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<v Speaker 2>the Big twelve and the other four our NBA draft

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<v Speaker 2>picks in the first round, you know, who have already

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<v Speaker 2>gone out, and he's definitely got that pedigree. He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>play a ton of minutes, and I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he played I don't know, I think eighteen to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes something like that. So when you look at his stats,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to be gaudy, but you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>things that he bring. Number one, he's just he's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those. It's just a beast, you know. He has

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<v Speaker 2>that look, just just explosive, strong, and you look at

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<v Speaker 2>him and you said, there's no way he's a nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old kid. He looks like he's up there like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine one of those. But if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>his analytics, if you look at his and I'm big

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<v Speaker 2>going into percentiles, the things that post player needs to have,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not gonna look and say, Okay, so this

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<v Speaker 2>guy's sixth grade slow or this guy's three point shooting

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<v Speaker 2>percentage whatever, and he did I think, step out make simon,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he shot up in high thirties. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't you in percent he didn't shoot a ton of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you look at the defensive impact, rebounds, block shots,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's up like ninety fifth ninety six percent

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<v Speaker 2>So he may I'm tell you what, he checks a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of boxes, you know. And I was thinking, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as Tuesday morning when he committed, you know, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you think about Malachi Marino. They've really gotten in the

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<v Speaker 2>last two classes. One took a little bit longer. He

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<v Speaker 2>had to go through Arizona State and come back. But

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<v Speaker 2>they've gotten really two of the top centers in each

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<v Speaker 2>or the top center in each class. Almost Malachi Marino

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<v Speaker 2>is is I think just barely behind. In most rankings,

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<v Speaker 2>He's the second high ranked center and close to being first.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would have to go back and look to

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<v Speaker 2>see who was ahead of Clayton's plaints was in everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>top ten. I think Rivals had him eight. So you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about two of the top you know, centers and

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<v Speaker 1>Well. To your point, yeah, he only averaged about nine

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<v Speaker 1>points a game, but it rebounds, two and a half blocks,

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<v Speaker 1>all defensive team in the Big twelve, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>an all freshman player and bringing in these bigs David.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of reminds you of old school basketball. But

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<v Speaker 1>Pope's offense is anything but. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's true, but I think people kind of get

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<v Speaker 2>lost in the shuffle of how much he's playing two bigs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like he's playing five out small ball lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>But you think about how much they went to high

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<v Speaker 1>True.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it seemed like every game in the second half,

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<v Speaker 2>his adjustment would be get the Boss into the post.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, they would play for kind of

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<v Speaker 2>free flow in the first and they started posting feeding

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<v Speaker 2>all of locker room. It seems like they did it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. You know, when I was a year ago,

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to really be a just like I say,

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<v Speaker 2>three is a game. I was amazed how many high

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<v Speaker 2>low to post action that they ran. So I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and then you throw in ham a debaute,

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<v Speaker 2>a four offensively, but maybe a three defensively. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're putting a lot of pieces together and they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be deep, and that's the one thing. They got

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<v Speaker 1>You cover recruiting for UK and North Carolina. Uh so

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<v Speaker 1>interesting when Pope got here. There were some obviously a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people who knocked the choice. But uh, they wondered,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, could he build a program at Kentucky because

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<v Speaker 1>they were judging him based on what he had done

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<v Speaker 1>at Utah Valle State, of course, and it bring him young,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh, it was pretty obvious with the Kentucky brand

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<v Speaker 1>behind him, Yeah, he was going to get it done.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how do you feel like things have gone

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<v Speaker 1>so far? I mean, I mean, could UK fans hope

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<v Speaker 1>are much better right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I think if you're Kentucky you can almost you

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<v Speaker 2>can always help her better, that's true, and expect better.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, but but I gave him. I gave

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<v Speaker 2>him an eight minus last year we had to do

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<v Speaker 2>grades and the only reason I don't think he could

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<v Speaker 2>have done any better than he did. But unless you're

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<v Speaker 2>at Kentucky, Kansas Duke of North Carolina, that's an a

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<v Speaker 2>A plus job that he did. So I just look

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<v Speaker 2>at it and say, Okay, at Kentucky, your expectations can't

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<v Speaker 2>be they're not sweet sixteen, you know, nobody's gonna throw

433
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<v Speaker 2>a parade over that. But you've got to understand the situation.

434
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<v Speaker 2>He was in a short period of time, and I

435
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<v Speaker 2>thought he did a tremendous job coaching the team.

436
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<v Speaker 6>Then you get the set.

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<v Speaker 2>With all the injuries. Yeah, and I don't think you

438
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<v Speaker 2>could do any better what he's done. And now he

439
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<v Speaker 2>goes into the portal and he's really doing well there.

440
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<v Speaker 2>So I know fans are already excited about next season.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, and that's a big thing too, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to kind of have a bitch mark where

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<v Speaker 2>your programs at. What kind of optimism does the fan

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<v Speaker 2>base have? And I think that's pretty strong.

445
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's already chatter on the internet and debates

446
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<v Speaker 1>and arguments. What happens now in Garrison? Do you think

447
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<v Speaker 1>he leaves? Do you think they tell him, hey, there

448
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<v Speaker 1>may not be many minutes for you. What do you

449
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<v Speaker 1>see in his future?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Brandon Garrison is a guy, and I

451
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<v Speaker 2>think he might be best for him to realize this. If

452
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<v Speaker 2>they would have said, Okay, we're just going to sit

453
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<v Speaker 2>back and rest, Brandon Garrison's gonna bear a guy next year,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have I would have severe reservations. Yeah, I

455
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<v Speaker 2>just don't see it. He shows flashes, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see it. I wouldn't depend on him for that. He

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<v Speaker 2>needs to understand that. You know, he may not get

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five minutes a year next year. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you even if he was the man, you could

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<v Speaker 2>expect that to Kentucky. I mean, Pope's going to go

461
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<v Speaker 2>into the bench a lot. So that's one thing. But

462
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<v Speaker 2>every thing is this. I know through my times in coaching,

463
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<v Speaker 2>the guy came up under when I start out there,

464
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<v Speaker 2>you he always insisted on having four post players. Really,

465
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<v Speaker 2>and that was from the Dean Smith. He wanted to

466
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<v Speaker 2>go too deep at the center. He wanted to go

467
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<v Speaker 2>too deep and the power forward you could. You had

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<v Speaker 2>depth in the depth in the post was huge. You

469
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<v Speaker 2>had fowls to give, you could wear the under teeth down,

470
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<v Speaker 2>you had the size. And I watched Florida and one

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<v Speaker 2>thing I've said, it's appeared to me that Todd Golden

472
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<v Speaker 2>went back to the deep Smith Botto and said, look,

473
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<v Speaker 2>I'm want to have four solid post players. And he did.

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<v Speaker 2>And and if I'm curious and I want to sell

475
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<v Speaker 2>at the garrison, if I'm garous, I'm thinking, hey, I

476
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.720
<v Speaker 2>can hang around here. You know, it's there's a job

477
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<v Speaker 2>out there. I don't think they've promised a starting job

478
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<v Speaker 2>to Quainton, so it's mine to lose a mind to

479
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<v Speaker 2>get that fight for this thing. But I just think

480
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<v Speaker 2>that when you've got more inside depth and you've got

481
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<v Speaker 2>some bigs in there, and you've got athletes, you've got

482
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<v Speaker 2>some of those things, I just think it makes your

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<v Speaker 2>team better, better and better. And you know, I'm a

484
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<v Speaker 2>post player. I want to be a part of that.

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<v Speaker 1>David Sisk is my guest from Catch Illustrated, part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Rivals Network. Covers Kentucky and North Carolina recruiting. We'll

487
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<v Speaker 1>come back and talk about those Florida Gators, a new

488
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<v Speaker 1>reigning national champs. On the other side of the break

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<v Speaker 1>here on the Big Moon Sider six thirty WLAP Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>David Sisk is my guest. We check in with David

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<v Speaker 1>every once in a while. He is part of the

492
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<v Speaker 1>Rivals Network, works for Cat Illustrated and other publications. As such,

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<v Speaker 1>Man the Final four, all three games, David couldn't have

494
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<v Speaker 1>been much better. You must have been as a basketball

495
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<v Speaker 1>coach and Officionado digging what you saw for the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>I did, but if you I don't know if some

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<v Speaker 2>solid A couple of days back on Saturday, I tweeted,

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<v Speaker 2>does anybody else feel like the Final four is just

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<v Speaker 2>like a partial break for the Transfer Portal for a version,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's how exactly how I felt. In fact,

501
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:01.079
<v Speaker 2>while they were I was top and out two stories

502
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<v Speaker 2>what game was going on about potential Transport Portal players.

503
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<v Speaker 2>So that's dominated my life the last few weeks. I'm

504
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<v Speaker 2>afraid it's going to for the rest of a month

505
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<v Speaker 2>at least, but yeah, it was tremendous, and I think

506
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<v Speaker 2>that's what happens when the best four teams are in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Portal has kind of done that, especially

508
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<v Speaker 2>in Al, has done that where you know the strong

509
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<v Speaker 2>are going to get stronger. And I know people want

510
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<v Speaker 2>cinderellas that first weekend, but sometimes you pay for it

511
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<v Speaker 2>on down the road. And we had a true final four.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I don't look at it and say like

513
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<v Speaker 2>there was in the last couple of years, like it

514
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<v Speaker 2>was Yukon and everybody else. I picked Florida to win, actually,

515
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<v Speaker 2>and I had three of the final four, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>proud of that.

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<v Speaker 6>I first worked got right years.

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<v Speaker 2>So but I didn't look at Florida and say, Okay,

519
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<v Speaker 2>it was them and then everybody else.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, you had.

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<v Speaker 2>Four really good teams, and if you played it four times,

522
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<v Speaker 2>you might have four different winns. So it was, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was a tremendous ny I think you

524
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<v Speaker 2>just had four teams stood out. I think you really

525
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<v Speaker 2>had six teams among the best, and then but the

526
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<v Speaker 2>Flows were clearly the best four. And you know, we

527
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<v Speaker 2>were rewarded with a great weekend of basketball.

528
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<v Speaker 1>We really were. And just the comebacks by Florida, I mean,

529
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<v Speaker 1>you know, and in that game, the championship game Monday,

530
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<v Speaker 1>it was played absolutely the way Houston wanted it played,

531
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.079
<v Speaker 1>needed it played. And Florida beat them at their own game,

532
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<v Speaker 1>didn't they.

533
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<v Speaker 2>They did, And I'll be honest, it was it was

534
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<v Speaker 2>just early on, even when it was closed, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I do not think that Florida's big and stand up

536
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<v Speaker 2>to this really because yeah, I mean, if you watched

537
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<v Speaker 2>the inside, was sex were really exception exception of Thomas House.

538
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<v Speaker 2>I felt like the rest of those guys are really

539
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<v Speaker 2>just it looked at me like when they were inside,

540
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 2>they were just fighting off a swarm of bees or something,

541
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 2>just fleling around, and I'm just like, these guys are

542
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>not strong enough. And you know, you saw some rebounds

543
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>early on where Florida's got the rebound and their position

544
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>and they don't go get the ball, and some of

545
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.519
<v Speaker 2>Houston guy just like he shot out the cannon somewhere,

546
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.559
<v Speaker 2>goes and gets it. And I'm like the difference in

547
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:31.240
<v Speaker 2>chensity and what they can do physically is different. But

548
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, Florida kind of hung around. Houston had their chance.

549
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, they got the lead, like you said, but

550
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.839
<v Speaker 2>then Florida made a run there and they got Clayton

551
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.319
<v Speaker 2>got going and you know, come back and they tied

552
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<v Speaker 2>the game up I think at like forty two forty two,

553
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and they never could take the lead. But I felt

554
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<v Speaker 2>like the bigs inside started matching up because Houston, you know,

555
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:55.920
<v Speaker 2>would never get it. We ever come a ball went

556
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>inside on either and it was and they had combat. Yeah,

557
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:00.680
<v Speaker 2>but I thought felt like Florida had really a good

558
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<v Speaker 2>job of doubling down on post and the guards were

559
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:05.759
<v Speaker 2>able to get down there and smack some balls loose

560
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and create some turnovers and really help. So I thought

561
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>they adjusted well right there, and I think Florida's big suggested,

562
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<v Speaker 2>so you know, I really didn't know if Florida was

563
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<v Speaker 2>going to win to the final horn found and I

564
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.079
<v Speaker 2>felt like it was Houston. But I think Florida didn't

565
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<v Speaker 2>sell in.

566
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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I agree, And I was shocked that Houston

567
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<v Speaker 1>didn't even get off a shot at the end. You know,

568
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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't surprised they played for three, but I was

569
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<v Speaker 1>a little surprised they didn't give themselves any opportunity to

570
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<v Speaker 1>even get off a shot.

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<v Speaker 6>How did you get?

572
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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was really weird. On that last play

573
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<v Speaker 2>number one, there was if you watch it when it

574
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>first starts, there was a beautiful hedge of recovery over

575
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:51.759
<v Speaker 2>on the wing. I mean, because it looked like a

576
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.279
<v Speaker 2>head so hard it almost look like they switched, but

577
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>they didn't. Then they recovered back and you've got to

578
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.599
<v Speaker 2>have help and you've got to sprint so long to

579
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 2>get that the recovery. I thought Houston might get them early,

580
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't. And then when they threw the ball

581
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 2>out top it was guarded well and then a good

582
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<v Speaker 2>closed out. It was really interesting, the very same kind

583
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>of play that cost Auburn against Florida when Chad Baker Mazaarre,

584
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<v Speaker 2>if you'll remember, they got to steal on the press

585
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.599
<v Speaker 2>and Chad Baker Mazaar dribbled out to the three point line.

586
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<v Speaker 2>I think it would have cut it till one. There

587
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:28.400
<v Speaker 2>were five hundred and twenty five seconds left, and you

588
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>remember they closed out and he jumped on the shot

589
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 2>and then he came down with the ball. This time

590
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.319
<v Speaker 2>he used to let it go. So Florida really had

591
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<v Speaker 2>two huge, deep maybe their two biggest defensive stands of

592
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.559
<v Speaker 2>the year when the three point shooter left the ground

593
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:44.880
<v Speaker 2>and then came back down with the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, speaking of deepense, let's back up to Saturday.

595
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<v Speaker 1>How surprised were you the duke kind of folded?

596
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think Barry obviously, But you know, it's really

597
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 2>weird you're talking about these games. Florida could have lost

598
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 2>to Auburns easily in the same way. I mean, they

599
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>were not steady against that press at all. They got

600
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>up eight and then you know, they can't get the

601
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.599
<v Speaker 2>ball to Clayton and the other guards. You could tell

602
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.440
<v Speaker 2>they didn't want it. They had turnovers, they had loose

603
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 2>balls against the pressure. They missed like two front ends

604
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 2>of one and one, and it was the same way

605
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 2>we'll do, you know. But I think the pressure, you're

606
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>just not used to seeing it. And I just wonder too,

607
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Duke playing any acc the league was so bad they

608
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.519
<v Speaker 2>never had any pressure on them all year, and that

609
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.760
<v Speaker 2>makes a difference. But I think Kevin Sampson pointed that out,

610
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<v Speaker 2>you know, indirectly would have been twelve wars.

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<v Speaker 6>But uh, just plays.

612
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<v Speaker 2>I think about the play where Duke had to run

613
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Speaker 2>out against the press, never getting ready to go up eight.

614
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 2>They got to lay up in the full court and

615
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.320
<v Speaker 2>the Houston guy comes out of nowhere, SWAT's it. They

616
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 2>come out down hit to Floy's. Instead of being an

617
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>a an a point game, it's a three point game.

618
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just a matter of second. So things

619
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>like that, plays that you had to have happened. You

620
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<v Speaker 2>have a really good bowl shooter on the line. This

621
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<v Speaker 2>is uh, it's just while we love basketball, yeah.

622
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know. And the defensive play on the inbounds,

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I thought was just I mean I sat

624
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:27.280
<v Speaker 1>up straight and just kind of I didn't know what

625
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:29.199
<v Speaker 1>to make of that except that it was an incredible

626
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>defensive play. And that's the way Houston played all year.

627
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know it was weird. I was looking

628
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:41.880
<v Speaker 2>at this morning. I knew it would go on today,

629
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:45.800
<v Speaker 2>and I went back and looked, and you know, it's

630
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.519
<v Speaker 2>easy to getting enamored when up and down basketball and

631
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 2>free flowing offense. And I think we were all excited

632
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>about Markope. I'm an a Oats guy and I make

633
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.159
<v Speaker 2>no apologies for that. I love to watch teams play

634
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:01.079
<v Speaker 2>like that. Becky McMillan coming in the Texas A and

635
00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:05.360
<v Speaker 2>M I just enjoy that. But if you look at

636
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the final eight teams, six of them in pace, I

637
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:14.960
<v Speaker 2>think there's three hundred and sixty three teams and maybe

638
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.800
<v Speaker 2>in Division one sixty eight or one hundred and thirty

639
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 2>eighth or below in pace five or one hundred. I

640
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 2>think Auburn was one eighty three. Five of the eight

641
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.280
<v Speaker 2>or one eighty three or lower four were two hundred

642
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 2>or so one eighty three you're looking if you got

643
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.920
<v Speaker 2>three sixty three, you're looking right at the middle of

644
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>the fiftify percentile. So five of the eight that we're

645
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.519
<v Speaker 2>in we're in the lower half. So Houston and Duke,

646
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.840
<v Speaker 2>they were way down in pace and they played half court.

647
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 2>They played fiscal, so he came down to it. This year,

648
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about playing the skyle of games. It seems

649
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.800
<v Speaker 2>like teams were older through the portal, they were fiscal.

650
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Defense won out over offense this year. Really and well,

651
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:05.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, we all thought the game was going to

652
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:06.119
<v Speaker 2>hold different directions.

653
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, But you know it's a cliche because it's true.

654
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.079
<v Speaker 1>Defense wins championships. And at the end of the championship

655
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.159
<v Speaker 1>game Monday night, it was a defensive player there were.

656
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 2>But you've got to have you've got to have some offense.

657
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely, So yeah, you know, I felt like

658
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:29.079
<v Speaker 2>I think going into the game, I had tweeted this Monday,

659
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Houston was two and three when the team scored over

660
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>seven seventy or more. They were thirty three and one

661
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.960
<v Speaker 2>when opponents scored sixty nine or less. So you think

662
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.320
<v Speaker 2>about that thirty and counting Monday night, thirty five and

663
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.559
<v Speaker 2>the forty teams in Houston had never got to seventy

664
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.400
<v Speaker 2>points on them there you go only five times, and

665
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.519
<v Speaker 2>but you know, because you've got I felt like, why

666
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>look at that, I said, Houston's got to get I mean,

667
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Floder's got to get to seventy if they get and

668
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.519
<v Speaker 2>I kept watching through games they hit and get the

669
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>seventies that played Houston face it's down to low sixties,

670
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:07.159
<v Speaker 2>like you said. But Houston when it came, they had

671
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 2>to have it in the second half. They just couldn't get.

672
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:12.119
<v Speaker 2>They just couldn't score. You've got to be able to score.

673
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Rick Barnes will faced there for years, yep. And you've

674
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.280
<v Speaker 2>got to be able to score something.

675
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.559
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right. And the last four possessions for

676
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Houston they came up empty. And meanwhile Walter Clayton came

677
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.079
<v Speaker 1>to life and that was it for the Gators. So

678
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:28.880
<v Speaker 1>you know it's it's.

679
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Houston never got a Houston had two turnovers all possession.

680
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.199
<v Speaker 2>I never hit a ram with it, So that's big.

681
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Another empty trip for the Cougars and another title for

682
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the Southeastern Conference. Coach David Sisk, we love to see

683
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>his work and cats illustrated and chat with him here. Thanks, coach,

684
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:47.480
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk to you soon.

685
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me.

686
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 2>I've enjoyed it.

687
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 1>Up. Next hour number two with Sean Woods, the Unforgettable

688
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:56.159
<v Speaker 1>Guard and wistam your chief Gary Morris back, You're in

689
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a big Moonsider six thirty.

690
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:35.920
<v Speaker 4>W latnaut.

691
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:58.199
<v Speaker 7>Tactus can anything.

692
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Only welcome back to the Big Blue Sider, joining us

693
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:55.599
<v Speaker 1>now as he does each and every Wednesday as our

694
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.119
<v Speaker 1>unforgettable guard. Sean Woods, his jersey hangs in the raptors

695
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>of Rup And we have been talking coach about the

696
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.559
<v Speaker 1>final four, about the NC tournament, about the brackets for

697
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.039
<v Speaker 1>weeks and one of the teams you loved, and you

698
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 1>said this going into conference tournament play was Houston, and

699
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>not just because they were the hottest team in the

700
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>country for a while there, but just because of the

701
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>way they played. And sure enough they get all the

702
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.360
<v Speaker 1>way to the championship game. Before we talk about that,

703
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 1>talk to me about the Duke comeback. That was unbelievable.

704
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.719
<v Speaker 6>That's just who they are. And then it was almost

705
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 6>identical to the Duke Kentucky game earlier in the year.

706
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 6>You know, you know the kid just you know Cooper Flagg.

707
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.679
<v Speaker 6>You know, even though he's eighteen now, he was seventeen

708
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:50.800
<v Speaker 6>when he played Kentucky, but he acted like a kid

709
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:53.440
<v Speaker 6>who just you know, I mean, he's a dominant kid.

710
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:58.719
<v Speaker 6>He's a a generational talent, but he kind of you know,

711
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:02.199
<v Speaker 6>they ran out of gas. But man, Houston is just

712
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:06.000
<v Speaker 6>so relentless. Then they played to the last drop, They

713
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 6>played to the last second, and that's exactly what happened.

714
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.800
<v Speaker 6>And you know, the two teams that ended up in

715
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.239
<v Speaker 6>the National Championship were the two toughest teams on both

716
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:19.519
<v Speaker 6>ends of the ball. And that's Florida, who doesn't give

717
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.400
<v Speaker 6>up to the last second? And do I mean and

718
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:27.880
<v Speaker 6>Houston you know the same thing. You know, I thought

719
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:30.159
<v Speaker 6>Saint John was in that boat, but Saint John just

720
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:33.119
<v Speaker 6>couldn't shoot like those two teams. And that's the reason

721
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.480
<v Speaker 6>why those two teams were in the championship game. And

722
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.559
<v Speaker 6>it was a historical game just the way it ended.

723
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.599
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, wow, yeah, well we'll get to

724
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:42.199
<v Speaker 6>that in a minute.

725
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:47.119
<v Speaker 1>But when Houston came back on Duke, the fact that

726
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:53.079
<v Speaker 1>somebody described this more than once on TV. The first

727
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes they played it was essentially the way Duke

728
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.639
<v Speaker 1>wanted to play, but the last ten minutes was played

729
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the way Houston wanted to play. I guess you're not

730
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:05.880
<v Speaker 1>surprised they were kind of able to turn it on

731
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.840
<v Speaker 1>when they needed couch, Like you said, that's who they were.

732
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 1>What what did Duke do to take them out of

733
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:15.400
<v Speaker 1>their game at first, well, Duke.

734
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:18.639
<v Speaker 6>Was just so flamboyant. And you know the way you

735
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:20.599
<v Speaker 6>beat a great defensive team is you got to make

736
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.199
<v Speaker 6>shots and you cannot turn the ball over. And I thought,

737
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 6>you know, for the first little bit, that's what Duke did.

738
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 6>They were making shots, they didn't turn the ball over,

739
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:33.320
<v Speaker 6>they didn't subside to Houston's pressure and physicality on defense,

740
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 6>and it was it was everything they made. Everything was

741
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.280
<v Speaker 6>going right for him. But man, you get to that

742
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:41.920
<v Speaker 6>thirty minute mark, that that ten minute mark, in that

743
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.360
<v Speaker 6>second half, of the eight minute mark, in that second half,

744
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.960
<v Speaker 6>if you if you not their shape like they are,

745
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:51.159
<v Speaker 6>you're they're coming back. They're coming to get you. And

746
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:52.480
<v Speaker 6>that's exactly what happened.

747
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, And it just turned into just a real

748
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.280
<v Speaker 1>dog fight, didn't it. I mean, I'm I mean, it

749
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 1>was on I don't want to say it was like

750
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>a playground game, but like you said, it just came

751
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:05.400
<v Speaker 1>down to the toughness.

752
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.800
<v Speaker 6>They went to the gutter, they left the street, and

753
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.760
<v Speaker 6>they went down in one of those little fox holes.

754
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:15.599
<v Speaker 6>And Houston lives in the fox holes.

755
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's true.

756
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Speaker 6>So Houston got a chance to bring them down to

757
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.079
<v Speaker 6>where they're comfortable at and Duke wasn't comfortable with that.

758
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 6>You gotta remember, now, Duke didn't have a close hadn't

759
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 6>had a close game in two months, That's true. So

760
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:35.840
<v Speaker 6>when it got down to you know, cutting time, Duke

761
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.400
<v Speaker 6>never been there before. You know, they've never been you know, okay,

762
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:42.199
<v Speaker 6>they they've always been punching down. But when somebody finally

763
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.480
<v Speaker 6>started punching up, they didn't know how to respond. And

764
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 6>Houston didn't stop, you know they you know, you're thinking, okay,

765
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.880
<v Speaker 6>with ten seconds left or whatever, that we're up six,

766
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 6>we got this game. No you don't.

767
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you think the ACC, the lack of quality

768
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.519
<v Speaker 1>teams in the ACC, a lack of toughness in that league,

769
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 1>came back and haunted him.

770
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, because you you know, you only is good as

771
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.559
<v Speaker 6>especially down the stretch when you get to the final

772
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 6>Florida of you only as good as what you've been,

773
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.880
<v Speaker 6>what you've gone through. And it's car experience, you know

774
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.480
<v Speaker 6>what I mean. They've never been in that type of

775
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:21.639
<v Speaker 6>situation before, and for the first time, they really didn't

776
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 6>know how to act. I mean, they were out of

777
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.599
<v Speaker 6>their element for the last minute. To be honest with you,

778
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 6>they were just holding on, and you know, and and

779
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.360
<v Speaker 6>when you're trying to hold on and the other teams

780
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:36.760
<v Speaker 6>steady making shots and the shots not going there for you,

781
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.599
<v Speaker 6>You're like, whoa, you know what I'm saying. You miss

782
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 6>a free throw here and there, you miss a block

783
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 6>out here there, hey, and now you ended up you

784
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:47.400
<v Speaker 6>know what I'm saying, looking on the other side, and

785
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 6>that's that's that's where that thing went down.

786
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, and you mentioned Florida being a team that's not

787
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:56.199
<v Speaker 1>going to come back or they's not going to be denied.

788
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 8>With all the.

789
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Comebacks Florida had. Amazing that Florida had to come from

790
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:07.360
<v Speaker 1>behind in four of its tournament games, including the championship game,

791
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.280
<v Speaker 1>which meant I gotta think that boy, the SEC couldn't

792
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:12.880
<v Speaker 1>have prepped Florida any better, right.

793
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:18.559
<v Speaker 6>No, And when you got the Mariarra Rivera of college basketball,

794
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:25.199
<v Speaker 6>you know, he's the best closer I've seen in all time.

795
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 6>And you know, and I'm talking about the shots that

796
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.320
<v Speaker 6>he's made in the NTA Tournament were not easy shots,

797
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:39.239
<v Speaker 6>and they were super clutch shots. And you know, Florida

798
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 6>has gone through the gauntlet of the SEC. You know

799
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:45.239
<v Speaker 6>what I'm saying, They were physical enough, they were offensively

800
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.320
<v Speaker 6>gifted enough, and they had the best point guard in

801
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:53.239
<v Speaker 6>the tournament. And you know when you have those deals, hey.

802
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and really interesting. I thought, Sean, that Golden

803
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:03.960
<v Speaker 1>benched him for a few minutes. As a guy who's

804
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.599
<v Speaker 1>made a lot of decisions under the heat of battle

805
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.920
<v Speaker 1>on the sidelines, have you ever had to do that,

806
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 1>like you're a warrior, your leader. It just wasn't happening

807
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.559
<v Speaker 1>for him. For whatever reason. You got a credit, Houston.

808
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he was pressing a bit. I mean, this Golden

809
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.400
<v Speaker 1>knows this guy inside and out, by the way, guy

810
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 1>who started his career with Rick Patino, as you know

811
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:29.559
<v Speaker 1>in Iona. But what did you what did you make

812
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.119
<v Speaker 1>of that when he benched him?

813
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:33.320
<v Speaker 6>Well, you got to bench your guy, you know what

814
00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:35.719
<v Speaker 6>I'm saying. Justin getting going, okay, sit down a little bit,

815
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.880
<v Speaker 6>you know, gay yourself, see what you see out there.

816
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.519
<v Speaker 6>You know, sometimes the game has to slow down for you.

817
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 6>But you got to credit Houston. I mean, host did

818
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.159
<v Speaker 6>a great job from a defensive stand taking him out

819
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:52.400
<v Speaker 6>of the game. But just like Houston did duke this

820
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:54.719
<v Speaker 6>guy here, man just turned it on when he needed

821
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 6>to turn it on. And Houston made two critical mistakes,

822
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.559
<v Speaker 6>and the two mistakes that made it wasn't It's just

823
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:04.440
<v Speaker 6>it wasn't what Florida did. It was just they slipped

824
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:05.000
<v Speaker 6>and failed.

825
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they failed.

826
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.199
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying. So, and he took advantage

827
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:12.079
<v Speaker 6>of it. He's the guy that you can't give him

828
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:14.760
<v Speaker 6>a splip and you give him an inch and he's

829
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.000
<v Speaker 6>gonna he's gonna make you pay. He couldn't get a

830
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.119
<v Speaker 6>shot off up until the late in the second half,

831
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:22.880
<v Speaker 6>and that you got to credit Houston for that. And

832
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:24.800
<v Speaker 6>then when Houston kind of let off the gas a

833
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.159
<v Speaker 6>little bit, boom, Yeah, there he.

834
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Goes well and he goes in and gets the old

835
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:32.320
<v Speaker 1>fashioned three point play with a shot from the left side.

836
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, kle Lee, you know, you knew he was

837
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:38.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna get something somewhere. But that couldn't have been scripted

838
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:39.039
<v Speaker 1>any better, you know.

839
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:42.039
<v Speaker 6>No, they did a good job of really you know,

840
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.320
<v Speaker 6>creating that mismatch. And he got on with a big

841
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 6>and he took that big to the cleaners. Yeah, and

842
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:50.400
<v Speaker 6>had to finish with a tough fish, you know. And

843
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 6>that was a tough finish with the left hand. And

844
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 6>that was really his first bucket of the game.

845
00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Amazing, just amazing. There's there's one other thing that you

846
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>got to talk about when you talk about that game,

847
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 1>and that's the foul on the free throw. They got

848
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.760
<v Speaker 1>flagged for going over the back. And you know, people,

849
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:10.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, why do you make that call and that

850
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.519
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. But I believe that, and you could

851
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:16.960
<v Speaker 1>see it on the replay. If he didn't foul, then

852
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.239
<v Speaker 1>the play would have unfolded differently. The Houston player would

853
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.440
<v Speaker 1>have gotten the rebound, but instead, because he went over

854
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:23.519
<v Speaker 1>his back and became a loose ball, they had to

855
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:24.000
<v Speaker 1>call that.

856
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.679
<v Speaker 6>Well, here's the deal. The ref if I'm thinking the

857
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:34.000
<v Speaker 6>thing is straight, the ref almost try to help him

858
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 6>because luckily, he said to the line, he just happened

859
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.760
<v Speaker 6>to make both of them. He in a great free

860
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:43.239
<v Speaker 6>throw shooter, that's true, kind of gave they tripped. It

861
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.119
<v Speaker 6>backfired on him because he made the free throw.

862
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.559
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't even thought about that. You're exactly right, that guy.

863
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:53.719
<v Speaker 1>You thought, oh, maybe he'll make one. Holy cow, I

864
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:54.880
<v Speaker 1>hadn't even thought about that.

865
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:58.840
<v Speaker 6>So you make Calvin Sampson happy by giving him a chance,

866
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 6>but you put his worst re throw shooter that was

867
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.519
<v Speaker 6>in the game at that particular time on the line

868
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 6>and he happens to be happens to go make both

869
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.159
<v Speaker 6>of them. And hey, it didn't work out the way

870
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 6>you wanted to, but the ref gave you a chance, Duke,

871
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:14.199
<v Speaker 6>because he saved you in the offensive rebound. Maybe I'll

872
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.519
<v Speaker 6>put back and maybe could have got an end one

873
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:20.840
<v Speaker 6>in that situation. Wow, But he stopped to play put

874
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 6>the worst free throw shoot on the team, and he

875
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:24.719
<v Speaker 6>just happened to make both of them.

876
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Sure did. Sean Woods is our guest. We'll talk more

877
00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.199
<v Speaker 1>basketball with a coach on the other side here on

878
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.039
<v Speaker 1>six thirty WLAP Welcome back. We're talking with Sean Woods,

879
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:39.000
<v Speaker 1>the unforgettable guard. He joined us every Wednesday. Who and

880
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Sean also has coached in the NC Tournament. Was that

881
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:43.639
<v Speaker 1>your greatest thrill so far?

882
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah? As a coach? Yes, yes, God just planning this well.

883
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.519
<v Speaker 6>He got to remember now when I played, when we

884
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.599
<v Speaker 6>played in the ncaatament, we played in the in the

885
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 6>playing game, Barack Obama came to our game.

886
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:59.559
<v Speaker 1>That's right. I remember watching that game. That was cool.

887
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:00.599
<v Speaker 1>Did you to meet him?

888
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:02.559
<v Speaker 6>And we lost the game? We lost the game, just

889
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:04.320
<v Speaker 6>like Duke get Did you know what I'm saying we

890
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:08.159
<v Speaker 6>were up on Western the whole game, up fifteen with

891
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 6>like three minutes ago, and I only had seven players

892
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 6>and three of them three of them five out, especially

893
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 6>my point guard. And you know Western walked us down

894
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:20.159
<v Speaker 6>and beat us in overtime.

895
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 1>I remember that. Yeah, did you get to meet Obamas?

896
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:26.599
<v Speaker 6>And we're supposed to play Kentucky next because Kentucky and us,

897
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:29.360
<v Speaker 6>they had the longest winning streak in the country. We

898
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.320
<v Speaker 6>had the second longest winning streak in the country, and

899
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:33.119
<v Speaker 6>that's the year they won the national championship.

900
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Man, it's all coming back to me now. But did

901
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:37.519
<v Speaker 1>you get to meet the president?

902
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.480
<v Speaker 6>I did, and I'll tell you what. It took us

903
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:42.880
<v Speaker 6>an hour by the time we got off the bus

904
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 6>to get to the gym because of all the security.

905
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.679
<v Speaker 6>That was the only that was the only thing I

906
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 6>didn't like about it was, you know, it took us

907
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 6>forever because of the security deal and that's the security

908
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.719
<v Speaker 6>things like that. But got to shake his hands, say hello.

909
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:58.039
<v Speaker 6>You know, we were the only all you know, HBCU

910
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.320
<v Speaker 6>school in the in the tournament. And you know he

911
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:04.880
<v Speaker 6>was a you know, African American president of candidate time.

912
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.719
<v Speaker 6>He wasn't the president that's right, So it all kind

913
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:09.880
<v Speaker 6>of made sense and I was happy to meet him

914
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:12.719
<v Speaker 6>and very cool. Unfortunately, we you know, he left before

915
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 6>the game was over with. It's probably why we lost.

916
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Well there we were talking before the break about benching

917
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Walter Clayton Junior, the move that paid off for Florida.

918
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.480
<v Speaker 1>But you talked about it, and we talked about your

919
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:29.880
<v Speaker 1>former coach, Rick Patino. We didn't have a chance to

920
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:31.840
<v Speaker 1>talk about this last time, you know, I chatted, but

921
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>he had to bench R. J. Lewis. It is always

922
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.960
<v Speaker 1>going to be controversy and Lewis is now talking about

923
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it the best player on his team, but he was

924
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.079
<v Speaker 1>three for seventeen and he was I don't know if

925
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you saw any of the game. I watched the week

926
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:49.440
<v Speaker 1>and he was clearly pressing or rat or whatever you

927
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:51.400
<v Speaker 1>want to call it. As a coach, what did you

928
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:54.519
<v Speaker 1>make of that move by your former coach who benched

929
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:57.159
<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't have been the same as benching at Jamal Mashburn,

930
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:00.599
<v Speaker 1>but still, and this this kid's had his problems up

931
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and downs Lewis, but he's a big East Player of

932
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:06.079
<v Speaker 1>the year and he benched him at crunch time.

933
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:10.440
<v Speaker 6>What did you make of that two things one coach

934
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:15.519
<v Speaker 6>knows best, two they got. I thought that RJ must

935
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:18.519
<v Speaker 6>he must have said something, you know, to make coach

936
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:22.119
<v Speaker 6>because you know, but if you watch that game, he

937
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:24.519
<v Speaker 6>was all out of whack. I mean, coach was right,

938
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:27.800
<v Speaker 6>and he wasn't great on defense, you know, giving up

939
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.039
<v Speaker 6>offensive rebounds. He was just out of it. It was

940
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:32.719
<v Speaker 6>like he took some drug or something. And it was like, man,

941
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:35.199
<v Speaker 6>this dude is not in the same person. And so

942
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.400
<v Speaker 6>Coach just like, yo, you're embarrassing yourself, You're embarrassing us.

943
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:40.079
<v Speaker 6>I know, I got to keep you, you know, I

944
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:41.320
<v Speaker 6>want to keep you in the game, but we have

945
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:43.719
<v Speaker 6>no chance on winning because you're going to dominate the

946
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.400
<v Speaker 6>ball and the where you're going. What happened in that

947
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:50.440
<v Speaker 6>game was the other kid didn't play great. Didn't play

948
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:54.280
<v Speaker 6>great either. The other guard, yeah, the big guard. So

949
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:59.440
<v Speaker 6>but the thing about it is that every game, especially

950
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.880
<v Speaker 6>coming the last six or seven games that could that

951
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.800
<v Speaker 6>that Saint John's played, Lewis didn't really get going until

952
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.239
<v Speaker 6>the last two minutes of the game, and this time

953
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:12.119
<v Speaker 6>coach didn't give him a chance, just didn't think that

954
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:14.000
<v Speaker 6>he had it at all. I was shocked that he

955
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 6>didn't give him a chance the last two minutes, like

956
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:19.519
<v Speaker 6>he you know, he's won some games coming down the

957
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 6>stretch and you're thinking they were just out of the water.

958
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.440
<v Speaker 6>He came and hit some threes, hit some shots, but

959
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:27.639
<v Speaker 6>for some of our reason, coach saw something in them.

960
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:30.480
<v Speaker 6>And then I looked in his eyes watching him on

961
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:33.840
<v Speaker 6>the bench. He didn't have it. He wasn't there. If

962
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:35.599
<v Speaker 6>you're a big time player and you feel like you

963
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:38.320
<v Speaker 6>can help the team, you be nipping at the bench,

964
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 6>nipping at the bitch. You know what I'm saying. Coach

965
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:43.079
<v Speaker 6>put me back in Okay. Talking to the assistant Carlin

966
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.159
<v Speaker 6>Stevie mad he sat there in a daze like he

967
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 6>knew he didn't have nothing. He had nothing less, like

968
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:50.000
<v Speaker 6>he wasn't even there.

969
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Yea, that was Coach.

970
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:54.760
<v Speaker 6>Patino is a Hall of famer. He's dealt with I mean,

971
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:58.079
<v Speaker 6>he's dealt with the best. And if Jamal Massburn was

972
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.039
<v Speaker 6>playing that bad and it was out of it like

973
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 6>that and hurting the team, he would have sat Jamal

974
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:05.480
<v Speaker 6>mashmur He was set anyone, So that that doesn't matter.

975
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.440
<v Speaker 6>That's just who coach is, no matter what. Yeah, and

976
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:10.360
<v Speaker 6>everybody saying with this guy, you know, you're supposed to

977
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 6>ride with him to the end, so on and so forth. Well,

978
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.559
<v Speaker 6>coach has made some crazy decisions that has won him

979
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:19.599
<v Speaker 6>some games when you think that it shouldn't have and

980
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.079
<v Speaker 6>even this year. But for him to do that right there,

981
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:25.320
<v Speaker 6>he knew that that kid had nothing left in the tank.

982
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:29.199
<v Speaker 6>He knew and granted the kid probably didn't have anything

983
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:32.880
<v Speaker 6>in the tank because he's worn out. He's put these

984
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:34.519
<v Speaker 6>team on the back of the last three minutes of

985
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:38.159
<v Speaker 6>the game every game. I mean, that's what got him there,

986
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:41.000
<v Speaker 6>and just didn't have it that night, and coach felt it.

987
00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.320
<v Speaker 6>And you know, we could say, well, that's the reason

988
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 6>why he's transferring. No, the reason why he's transferring is

989
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.679
<v Speaker 6>because he can get more money too. He's stressed in

990
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:51.719
<v Speaker 6>the waters in the NBA. Saint John can't. I don't

991
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.199
<v Speaker 6>think st I don't think he was making a whole bunch.

992
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but Micropoli there, benefactor, that guy's a billionaire. But

993
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I guarantee you, you know, he and Patino talked like,

994
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.039
<v Speaker 1>here's our number. That's how far we're going. I guarantee, yeah,

995
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:07.519
<v Speaker 1>you know.

996
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.920
<v Speaker 6>Afford it when you can go get some more money

997
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.039
<v Speaker 6>and don't have to really deal with Coach Patino's raft.

998
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.639
<v Speaker 6>Because Coach Patino coached these guys. I mean, and I say,

999
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:24.320
<v Speaker 6>he gave him his pinky toe, his his his his

1000
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:29.199
<v Speaker 6>big foot toe he puts. He got every ounce of

1001
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:30.639
<v Speaker 6>perspiration out of these guys.

1002
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:31.079
<v Speaker 1>He did.

1003
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:33.880
<v Speaker 6>And I just think that they had nothing else left.

1004
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:37.119
<v Speaker 6>That's what I believe. When you can't shoot the basketball

1005
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.920
<v Speaker 6>and everything is predicated on you making spectacular plays on

1006
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:47.719
<v Speaker 6>the defensive end, just over exaggerating and overachieving, sooner or

1007
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:49.480
<v Speaker 6>later you go run out of gas. And I just

1008
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:51.239
<v Speaker 6>think Saint John just ran out of gas.

1009
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you. I got about two two

1010
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and a half minutes left. But the number one seeds

1011
00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:59.760
<v Speaker 1>all make the final four. Some people believe that's the

1012
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:03.079
<v Speaker 1>end for Cinderella's because of the nil But two years

1013
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:07.000
<v Speaker 1>ago Cinderella's were everywhere and they had nil money. Uh,

1014
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I you know, I don't see it that way to.

1015
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:15.039
<v Speaker 6>You tell you what, if you ain't got no money,

1016
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 6>you're not You're not.

1017
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.559
<v Speaker 1>The No, You're not going to be able to compete.

1018
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:20.320
<v Speaker 1>But I think I.

1019
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.639
<v Speaker 6>Think you know Cinderella's and it's going to be I'll

1020
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:26.440
<v Speaker 6>tell you this. I'll say this Dick, it's going to

1021
00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:32.599
<v Speaker 6>be much harder because Cinderella's were what these teams have become.

1022
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:36.440
<v Speaker 6>Cinderella's were the mid majors that had older players.

1023
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Right now, all.

1024
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:42.119
<v Speaker 6>These all these teams that were Cinderella's, these mid majors,

1025
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:46.440
<v Speaker 6>these players aren't staying till their seniors. You're not, because

1026
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:48.079
<v Speaker 6>they're they're going to the hot majors. They're going to

1027
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:50.920
<v Speaker 6>the highest bidder. So that's the reason why it's it's

1028
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:52.679
<v Speaker 6>it's going to be hard for the Cinderellas and the

1029
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:53.559
<v Speaker 6>mid majors anymore.

1030
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:56.000
<v Speaker 1>That's true.

1031
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:56.719
<v Speaker 6>Uh.

1032
00:57:56.760 --> 00:58:00.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know, now, maybe somebody will show himself as

1033
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:05.599
<v Speaker 1>a younger players to make an impact on a game,

1034
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:07.840
<v Speaker 1>but he'll be gone a year later, won't he.

1035
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 6>There's no way the way this thing is going right

1036
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:16.000
<v Speaker 6>now that kids are going to good players are gonna

1037
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.239
<v Speaker 6>stay at their mid major places. It's too much money.

1038
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:20.639
<v Speaker 1>You do have to wonder, though, whenever they make that

1039
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:25.800
<v Speaker 1>ruling on the lawsuit out in Oakland, where schools will

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00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:28.960
<v Speaker 1>start divving up money, if that might slow some of

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00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:30.599
<v Speaker 1>the movement. I don't know that it will. I think

1042
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:33.039
<v Speaker 1>it'll just mean that kids are asking for even more,

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00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:33.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>If you think the thing about it is this that

1045
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.000
<v Speaker 6>there's no loyalty in basketball anymore, it's just you can

1046
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.239
<v Speaker 6>throw that out the window. We you know, it's not

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00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 6>about the education anymore. It's not about the retention anymore.

1048
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:51.840
<v Speaker 6>It's not about any of that. It's about money. And

1049
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.880
<v Speaker 6>you know that everybody's not gonna be a pro, but

1050
00:58:56.079 --> 00:59:00.199
<v Speaker 6>you can create generational wealth and not being there be

1051
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:04.199
<v Speaker 6>a player now in college basketball, and that's what it's about. Now,

1052
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:06.519
<v Speaker 6>you know what I'm saying. It's not about the relationship

1053
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.599
<v Speaker 6>because even as a coach, if I can't give this kid,

1054
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.800
<v Speaker 6>I only can give this kid ten, twenty thousand whatever,

1055
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:16.840
<v Speaker 6>and he has a great year for me, helps me

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00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:19.920
<v Speaker 6>win my conference and helps me get to the NCAA tournament,

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00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.239
<v Speaker 6>or even if he's just all conference, I know I'm

1058
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:26.519
<v Speaker 6>losing him. That's just the way. I mean. No, and

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00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:29.679
<v Speaker 6>you can't stop a kid or his parents or his

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00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:33.239
<v Speaker 6>family from taking more money. You got to understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 6>You just have to. You know what I'm saying. And

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00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.800
<v Speaker 6>that's what it is. That's that's what this is all about.

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00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:45.199
<v Speaker 6>Now that all those teams that won, Okay, Florida's guard

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00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.360
<v Speaker 6>is a two million dollar man. They paid two million

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00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:49.840
<v Speaker 6>dollars for him. Saint John's was not going to give

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00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:53.840
<v Speaker 6>him two million dollars leaving Iola, so he went to

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00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:58.119
<v Speaker 6>the highest bidder and it worked out. Okay, that's what

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00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:00.679
<v Speaker 6>this is all about. Now, you know what I'm saying,

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01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:03.480
<v Speaker 6>Mark Pope, Right now, I don't care how good of

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01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:05.960
<v Speaker 6>a coach is. I just heard the other day it's

1072
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:09.800
<v Speaker 6>fifteen million. Now that's their deal. They got fifteen million

1073
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:14.239
<v Speaker 6>dollars to DV eight in the transport part. We are Kentucky.

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01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.239
<v Speaker 6>I know, with the pride that I have and these

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01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:19.599
<v Speaker 6>people have in the state of Kentucky, they're not gonna

1076
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.079
<v Speaker 6>let nobody outbid us because we will still want to

1077
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:23.920
<v Speaker 6>be the cream of the crop. And it's going to

1078
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:25.840
<v Speaker 6>take that to stay at the cream of the crop,

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01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:27.920
<v Speaker 6>you know. And every coach can go back to their

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01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:29.639
<v Speaker 6>ad and say, hey, you want me to be at

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01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:32.079
<v Speaker 6>this level. You just saw all these number one teams,

1082
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:38.199
<v Speaker 6>right they had the highest budgets. Auburn, all grown men money, Houston.

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01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:42.639
<v Speaker 6>The only team that's not like that is Houston. Now

1084
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:45.360
<v Speaker 6>they getting paid a lot, a lot, But Calvin Simpson

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01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:47.960
<v Speaker 6>keeps his guys. They got a couple of transfers. Most

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01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:50.320
<v Speaker 6>of those guys, especially the guy who hit the free throws.

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01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:51.559
<v Speaker 6>He's been there since he's a freshman.

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01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Sean. We're out of time, but we can all like

1089
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:56.920
<v Speaker 1>this forever. We can talk about it. We can talk

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01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:59.320
<v Speaker 1>more next week about it. There's gonna be news between

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01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:00.840
<v Speaker 1>now and then. Thank you, thank you so much.

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01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:02.960
<v Speaker 6>No problem, Jack, looking forward to it.

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01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Man Western Buera chief Gary Moore is up next on

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01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:09.719
<v Speaker 1>six thirty WLAP. Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider,

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01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.119
<v Speaker 1>and we say welcome back to our West n Bureau chief,

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01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Gary Moore, who was out on the Left coast where

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01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.719
<v Speaker 1>he was our West Coast Bureau chief for many many years.

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01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Now back in LA's a Louisville area, and he's got

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01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.440
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of wonderful things to share with us.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, two guys in six pack.

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<v Speaker 9>By the way, this first time you and I have

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01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:29.880
<v Speaker 9>talked since not only the final four, but since you

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01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:31.400
<v Speaker 9>are a Hall of Famer.

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01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.000
<v Speaker 8>Well yeah, Kentucky Journalism Hall of Famer.

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01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Congrats, bro, thank you, thank you. Couldn't have done it

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01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:36.719
<v Speaker 1>without you.

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01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:39.920
<v Speaker 8>I know it took him so long, but I'm glad you're.

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01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:43.639
<v Speaker 1>In thank you. Very nice ceremony last night. Oh that

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01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:44.159
<v Speaker 1>was great.

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01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:46.320
<v Speaker 8>I saw the pictures on your Facebook.

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01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Peo were there family, There was great.

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01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:49.840
<v Speaker 8>Very well deserved.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you and you go back to my early roots man,

1114
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:57.119
<v Speaker 1>you were. My first job was at a different radio

1115
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.360
<v Speaker 1>station where you worked. So yeah, yeah, you go back.

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01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:04.360
<v Speaker 9>You had that badass beard too, Hi, I was afraid

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01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:05.039
<v Speaker 9>to shake your hand.

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01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:09.280
<v Speaker 8>I'm new here. Get out of here, kid, Hey, quick,

1119
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:10.519
<v Speaker 8>before I get into the swigs.

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<v Speaker 9>We have, you know, six swigs and some fun hot

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01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:15.280
<v Speaker 9>reads I think later on. But a quick shout out

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01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:18.639
<v Speaker 9>to a big blue nation. I just want to say

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01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:22.760
<v Speaker 9>that the joy for UK fans that saw a heralded

1124
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:27.800
<v Speaker 9>duke player miss a last second shot last weekend, that

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01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:30.760
<v Speaker 9>joy shall be everlasting from now on as long as

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01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:33.519
<v Speaker 9>they keep showing the laate Ander lucky shot at the end.

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01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:37.639
<v Speaker 9>We got to endure that every March show, the show

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01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:41.760
<v Speaker 9>the flags. Yeah, god, it was beautiful. I just I'm

1129
01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 9>still just basking in that. Okay, our first twigger, you know.

1130
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<v Speaker 9>And going back to we haven't talked really since our brackets.

1131
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:51.519
<v Speaker 9>Mine was beyond the help of FEMA. After the first day.

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01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:53.360
<v Speaker 9>I think we may have talked about that but I

1133
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:56.039
<v Speaker 9>did pick the final four number ones to meet, and

1134
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.519
<v Speaker 9>I didn't have Florida winning it all in the first

1135
01:02:58.519 --> 01:02:59.480
<v Speaker 9>bracket that I filled out.

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01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:01.360
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I was pulling for Houston at the end. I

1137
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:02.360
<v Speaker 8>was hoping they would win him.

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<v Speaker 9>Two final thoughts for you in March Madness, see which

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01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:07.360
<v Speaker 9>you think. Of course, you were also right about louisvill

1140
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:08.480
<v Speaker 9>getting screwed in the seating.

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01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:12.280
<v Speaker 8>That was an another thing, but number one, the number

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01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:12.599
<v Speaker 8>one thing.

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01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.079
<v Speaker 9>It is time for me, I think to ditch the

1144
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:16.360
<v Speaker 9>three announcer.

1145
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:17.440
<v Speaker 8>Tag teams in coverage.

1146
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.519
<v Speaker 9>Always seems like there's one pie hole too many of these,

1147
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:22.800
<v Speaker 9>and it's obvious why networks continue to do it.

1148
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:24.400
<v Speaker 8>I think it's well, the.

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01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:28.239
<v Speaker 9>More pronouncers, the more special the game wrong, and especially

1150
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:29.719
<v Speaker 9>I know what they're trying to do. They're trying in

1151
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:33.079
<v Speaker 9>vain to recapture the magic of Dick Enberg, al maguire

1152
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:36.559
<v Speaker 9>and Billy Packer, which will never happen again. You want

1153
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:39.719
<v Speaker 9>to make any game special, have Kevin Harlan call it.

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01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:41.960
<v Speaker 8>Okay, he's the best in the business.

1155
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:46.559
<v Speaker 9>He elevates every game, unlike Eagle and Raftery and Hill,

1156
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:51.320
<v Speaker 9>nice guys. Nothing special about those three. Number two the

1157
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:55.960
<v Speaker 9>commercials saturating the March. Madness games get worse every year.

1158
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:58.960
<v Speaker 9>This year they were so miserable and so devoid of

1159
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:02.840
<v Speaker 9>new ideas. One insurance company, you may recall, brought back

1160
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.840
<v Speaker 9>again and again and again after game after game that

1161
01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:06.559
<v Speaker 9>awful pig.

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01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:10.199
<v Speaker 8>We wie wing all the way home from years ago.

1163
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:12.079
<v Speaker 8>It was awful then, even worse now.

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01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.599
<v Speaker 9>People at ad agencies, if you're listening, watch some episodes

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01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:17.400
<v Speaker 9>of mad Men and get some better ideas.

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01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:19.119
<v Speaker 8>Okay, I'll sit down now.

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01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:22.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was reaching for the mute with the pig

1168
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:25.159
<v Speaker 1>the first couple of times I saw no. Okay, you know,

1169
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:29.519
<v Speaker 1>especially the kicker at the end. You know, thanks miss see.

1170
01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:34.039
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like you said, after the eighth or twelfth time, please,

1171
01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and you get so turned off by it you can't

1172
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:40.280
<v Speaker 1>even remember what they're selling, which is the antithesis of

1173
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:42.960
<v Speaker 1>what you're trying to right there. I'm a big Kevin

1174
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Harlan fan. I'm like you. And by the way, he

1175
01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:48.000
<v Speaker 1>calls Green Bay Packers preseason games.

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01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:50.079
<v Speaker 8>Which is worth watching right there.

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01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I will push back a little. I'm an

1178
01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Iron Eagle fan, but I'm with you. The three person booth,

1179
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:01.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, it just seems like they're trying so hard

1180
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.480
<v Speaker 1>to make room for one another, and you absolutely nailed it.

1181
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:09.920
<v Speaker 1>You know what made the Edinburgh McGuire Packer group so

1182
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:12.599
<v Speaker 1>special was and this isn't a knock on any of

1183
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:15.719
<v Speaker 1>the playmate play guys, but Mberg was the master of

1184
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:18.880
<v Speaker 1>just getting out of the way and letting and the

1185
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:23.400
<v Speaker 1>other two guys, their chemistry was genuine from the first day.

1186
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:27.480
<v Speaker 1>And I happened to work that broadcast as a student statistician,

1187
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:29.280
<v Speaker 1>or I might have been out of school by then.

1188
01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:33.239
<v Speaker 1>When Packer and McGuire worked together and they had McGuire

1189
01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:35.519
<v Speaker 1>in the back in a small room of the green screen,

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01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:38.679
<v Speaker 1>Billy Packard, to his credit, said, for the next game,

1191
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:40.639
<v Speaker 1>we gotta have all out here with us. We have

1192
01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:42.559
<v Speaker 1>to have al out here with us. And that's how

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01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:46.400
<v Speaker 1>that started. To Billy Packer's credit, it's.

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01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:48.159
<v Speaker 9>A great lineup. I don't know if you'll ever have

1195
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:49.039
<v Speaker 9>anything like that again.

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01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:50.599
<v Speaker 1>You can't create that.

1197
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:55.760
<v Speaker 9>Second swig headlined in yesterday's Courier Journal from sportswriter cl Brown,

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01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:56.920
<v Speaker 9>I don't know if you saw this or not. It

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01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:00.679
<v Speaker 9>said quote Louisville and Kentucky basketball will be back in

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01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:07.079
<v Speaker 9>the NCAA final four very soon unquote okay, define very soon,

1201
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:12.119
<v Speaker 9>Brown says, within the next two seasons. Book it now,

1202
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:14.880
<v Speaker 9>book it now, he said, okay, Dooley nod, I have

1203
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.800
<v Speaker 9>you already talked about it. I know UK's transfers, those

1204
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:21.159
<v Speaker 9>coming back, whoever's coming back. As for Louisville, they're ranked

1205
01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:24.159
<v Speaker 9>number one at last look in the portal by twenty

1206
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:27.039
<v Speaker 9>four to seven. Sports got one five star commit two

1207
01:06:27.079 --> 01:06:29.719
<v Speaker 9>four stars so far. Same with UK, even though there's

1208
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:32.679
<v Speaker 9>somehow ranked number three behind Michigan in U OFL. With

1209
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:37.440
<v Speaker 9>the same star rankings, Vegas odds makers have Louisville in

1210
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:40.000
<v Speaker 9>the fourth betting place to win it all next year

1211
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:43.440
<v Speaker 9>seventeen to one. Houston's leading the pack so far at

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01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.800
<v Speaker 9>nine to one, Duke ten to one, yukon fourteen to one.

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01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:48.719
<v Speaker 9>Cats are in the seventh spottle, though I would up

1214
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:51.360
<v Speaker 9>that they're at twenty to one right now.

1215
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Now.

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01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:54.440
<v Speaker 9>Can argue that all you want. I know, the Vegas

1217
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:56.360
<v Speaker 9>odds makers picked I think two out of the four

1218
01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:59.519
<v Speaker 9>this year to get to the final four. But my

1219
01:06:59.559 --> 01:07:02.400
<v Speaker 9>favorite unfact about all of this this year's final four

1220
01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:07.679
<v Speaker 9>fifty of the four teams Auburn and Florida lost in

1221
01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:11.920
<v Speaker 9>the first round last year. Yes, and just like that

1222
01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.559
<v Speaker 9>that became one seeds and one win a championship within

1223
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:14.960
<v Speaker 9>a year.

1224
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:17.719
<v Speaker 1>How about that Auburn losing to Yale.

1225
01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:22.400
<v Speaker 8>Yeah yeah, Colorado beating Florida, Well.

1226
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:25.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, every season the new season, which is obviously

1227
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:29.400
<v Speaker 1>which is why I find the Vegas eye even more fascinating,

1228
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:33.719
<v Speaker 1>because how in the world do you handicap with all

1229
01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:38.159
<v Speaker 1>these players coming and going. The portal door is a

1230
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:42.880
<v Speaker 1>spinning door. It's not just in action. I mean, it's unbelievable.

1231
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:45.599
<v Speaker 1>So I'm sure there's some great eyes out there. I

1232
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:48.079
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't even know where and how to begin to handicap.

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<v Speaker 9>Third Swig and the six back onto baseball and specifically

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01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:53.159
<v Speaker 9>Cats and Cards baseball.

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01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:55.159
<v Speaker 8>Last night seeing this.

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01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:57.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Jim talked about a little earlier.

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01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:00.880
<v Speaker 9>Jim Patterson Stadium wins Chill in the third one hundred

1238
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.719
<v Speaker 9>and twenty fifth meeting of the Battle for the Bluegrass

1239
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:05.519
<v Speaker 9>Year between the Cats and the Cards took ten innings,

1240
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:08.639
<v Speaker 9>Number eleven, Cards walked it off four to three amid

1241
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:12.039
<v Speaker 9>some fabulous middle finger salutes from both sides. There was

1242
01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:14.679
<v Speaker 9>no player had shake, obviously, except I think the coaches

1243
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:16.840
<v Speaker 9>had a handshake line.

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01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:17.039
<v Speaker 6>Yea.

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<v Speaker 8>But all in all a pretty good game.

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01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:24.720
<v Speaker 9>Pitcher's duel, some dumb base running by Louisville, intense animosity

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01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:25.520
<v Speaker 9>between rivals.

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01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:27.920
<v Speaker 8>It's what you want. I loved it.

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01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:31.119
<v Speaker 9>Get your popcorn ready for the Lexington rematch in two

1250
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.880
<v Speaker 9>weeks April twenty second. Cat's course getting number two Texas

1251
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:38.199
<v Speaker 9>this weekend, and after Louisville missed the field of sixty

1252
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:41.319
<v Speaker 9>four for the third time in four seasons last year,

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01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:44.279
<v Speaker 9>you and I speculated that Dan McDonald would get things

1254
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:48.560
<v Speaker 9>corrected or else, and he has so far. Last year,

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01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:51.640
<v Speaker 9>the Cards pitching era six point fifty, the worst in

1256
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:56.279
<v Speaker 9>McDonald's eighteen years, and now it's better four point nine

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01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:59.159
<v Speaker 9>to six the last check and the hitting Louisville number

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01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:01.680
<v Speaker 9>nine in the nation with a three twenty five average.

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01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.319
<v Speaker 9>At the beginning of the week, you were out there

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01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:06.439
<v Speaker 9>calling the games, what's wrong with the Cats so far?

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01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, last night it was what was good for the

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01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Cats last weekend? Relief pitching the Kentucky bullpen against Ole

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01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Miss was really really good. Was the best it's been

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01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:20.319
<v Speaker 1>all year, and it was good for a while last night.

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01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:23.199
<v Speaker 1>But Robert Hogan for summery, he's just off. He was

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01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the man down the stretch last year, one of them

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01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:30.079
<v Speaker 1>they had two or three and he just isn't right.

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01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:33.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is. But until he gets

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01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:36.640
<v Speaker 1>himself straightened out, they're gonna have that hole in their bullpen.

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01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:38.800
<v Speaker 1>But you're right, it was a fun game. As I

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01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:43.039
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, Raphael PELTI, MAT's some huge throws. Oh man,

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01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the catchers are yeah. Uh, And I not surprised you.

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01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:50.199
<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing that surprises me the most. Maybe

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01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:53.479
<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't, Gary, because we've seen this rivalry in all

1275
01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:57.680
<v Speaker 1>sports for so long. You know, UK's got like twenty

1276
01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:00.680
<v Speaker 1>nine to thirty new players, and most of them are

1277
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:04.640
<v Speaker 1>from out of state, and yet this rivalry is already

1278
01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:07.720
<v Speaker 1>ingrained in these guys. Yeah, that's how to hear about

1279
01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:12.159
<v Speaker 1>it from their teammates, from their classmates, from fans. So

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01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:13.920
<v Speaker 1>it makes it fun. And I'm sure it's the same

1281
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:15.199
<v Speaker 1>at the other end of the interstate.

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01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:21.359
<v Speaker 9>Oh, we mentioned that Louisville is number nine in team batting.

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01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:24.319
<v Speaker 9>Our fourth swig here guess who's ahead of Louisville at

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01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:26.960
<v Speaker 9>number eight in batting average? To go down I sixty

1285
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:30.199
<v Speaker 9>five by Alma Mater wku is a three to twenty

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01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:30.960
<v Speaker 9>six clip.

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01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.199
<v Speaker 8>How about that, Hilltoppers and it just gets better.

1288
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:36.560
<v Speaker 9>Hilltoppers are number twenty five and the latest Baseball America

1289
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:39.880
<v Speaker 9>rankings after taking two out of three down at Well

1290
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:43.359
<v Speaker 9>then number seventeen Dallas Baptists last weekend, and before that

1291
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:46.279
<v Speaker 9>they took number sixteen Vandy to extras before they lost

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01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:49.600
<v Speaker 9>five to four last week Toppers are twenty two and

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01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:52.960
<v Speaker 9>oh at home, best start in school history twenty eight

1294
01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:56.680
<v Speaker 9>and five overall. They play three at Fallwell Finishing School

1295
01:10:56.800 --> 01:11:01.439
<v Speaker 9>aka Liberty this weekend and it's a number twenty five

1296
01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:05.000
<v Speaker 9>ranking and the eighth best hitting team in America. The

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01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:09.760
<v Speaker 9>WKU pitching staff has the number one e er in

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01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:13.520
<v Speaker 9>D one Nikes two point five to nine with six shutouts.

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01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:16.800
<v Speaker 9>Pitchered Jack Bennett fourth in the country one point five

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01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:20.079
<v Speaker 9>o e r A outfielder Ryan Widman seventh, best batting

1301
01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:23.159
<v Speaker 9>average in the country four fifty one. And yeah, let's

1302
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:26.800
<v Speaker 9>be honest here, full disclosure being being an alumn here.

1303
01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.279
<v Speaker 9>The Toppers have loaded up on the Ekus and the

1304
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:31.960
<v Speaker 9>UT Martins and the Central Michigan's and so forth.

1305
01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:33.359
<v Speaker 8>They're two and two.

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01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:37.800
<v Speaker 9>Against ranked opponents next Tuesday night here in Louisville against

1307
01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:40.039
<v Speaker 9>number eleven Louisville, and then on the twenty ninth they

1308
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:43.399
<v Speaker 9>get UK down at WKU.

1309
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:46.000
<v Speaker 8>Who saw this brewing at BG?

1310
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Did you no? Not at all?

1311
01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:48.279
<v Speaker 6>You know.

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01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, their arch rival EKU is really struggling this year.

1313
01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:57.239
<v Speaker 1>But it's fun to see Western Kentucky excel and playing

1314
01:11:57.319 --> 01:12:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the higher ranked teams. You gotta have when it comes time,

1315
01:12:01.239 --> 01:12:04.319
<v Speaker 1>as you will. That's just like basketball strength Schedule RPI

1316
01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:06.399
<v Speaker 1>and all that. Good luck to them.

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01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:09.800
<v Speaker 9>Fifth swig speaking to baseball. As we mentioned last week,

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01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:11.560
<v Speaker 9>I was out at my former home away from home,

1319
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:15.239
<v Speaker 9>Dodger Stadium. It was a great opening week for the

1320
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:17.239
<v Speaker 9>world champs. Some of you've ever gone to an opening

1321
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:20.279
<v Speaker 9>week of a world champion, but the buzz and the

1322
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:22.359
<v Speaker 9>excitements off the charts, and it was nothing like the

1323
01:12:22.399 --> 01:12:25.359
<v Speaker 9>opening week back in eighty nine after their eighty eight championship.

1324
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:27.880
<v Speaker 9>I covered that one as well. Dodgers, as you know,

1325
01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:30.000
<v Speaker 9>went eight and oh to open the season. They included

1326
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:33.760
<v Speaker 9>three a sweep of the Braves that I saw last week,

1327
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:36.680
<v Speaker 9>and in the final game that they won, a torpedo

1328
01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:39.560
<v Speaker 9>bat Dick had a role in the Dodgers six to

1329
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:40.640
<v Speaker 9>five comeback win.

1330
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:43.399
<v Speaker 8>Check this out. Dodgers Slugging third basement.

1331
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:46.880
<v Speaker 9>Max Munsey tried out a torpedo bat, did it in

1332
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:48.800
<v Speaker 9>batting practice, and then he went zero to three in

1333
01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:52.520
<v Speaker 9>the game. Then he switched back to his regular stick boom,

1334
01:12:52.720 --> 01:12:56.760
<v Speaker 9>two run, double tie the game. Max would later say

1335
01:12:56.800 --> 01:13:00.800
<v Speaker 9>in the Foul Territory podcast, quote, my whole I've swung

1336
01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:03.239
<v Speaker 9>the same model and the weight is all the way

1337
01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:05.359
<v Speaker 9>at the very end of the bat. You changed that

1338
01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:08.000
<v Speaker 9>to be more in the center. It just felt way

1339
01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:08.399
<v Speaker 9>off to me.

1340
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:09.079
<v Speaker 8>Unquote.

1341
01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:12.079
<v Speaker 9>I don't know is it the wizard or the Wand

1342
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.479
<v Speaker 9>still our friends over here at Louisville Slugger Factory cannot

1343
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:17.319
<v Speaker 9>make these torpedo bats fast enough.

1344
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:18.279
<v Speaker 8>It's great for the economy.

1345
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:19.880
<v Speaker 9>And I'm just wondering if you've heard of these are

1346
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:23.159
<v Speaker 9>going to be in college ball at any time sooner.

1347
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:24.159
<v Speaker 8>Maybe they already are.

1348
01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Well obviously college they use metal bats, but they will

1349
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:31.479
<v Speaker 1>figure out how to make that technological adjustment. I'm sure

1350
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:34.000
<v Speaker 1>they've got to have specialists working on that. Right now,

1351
01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:37.119
<v Speaker 1>you would have to think anything that gives you an edge,

1352
01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:38.279
<v Speaker 1>it's going to happen.

1353
01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:40.880
<v Speaker 8>Sixth and final swig.

1354
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:42.720
<v Speaker 9>By the way, if or when you make it out

1355
01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:44.560
<v Speaker 9>to a major League ballpark and you want to try

1356
01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:48.560
<v Speaker 9>something some kind of new quote unquote food during the

1357
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:51.000
<v Speaker 9>game because you're bored with the same old heartburn from

1358
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:52.920
<v Speaker 9>say I don't know, a dodgery dog, and a soft pretzel.

1359
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:56.000
<v Speaker 8>Try these three if you dare. If you're going to.

1360
01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:58.760
<v Speaker 9>A Texas Rangers game, they now have a broomstick burrito

1361
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:04.199
<v Speaker 9>made from a twenty six inch tortilla, rice, beans, cheese, meat,

1362
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:06.960
<v Speaker 9>et cetera, twenty five hundred calories that cost you thirty

1363
01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:08.840
<v Speaker 9>five ninety nine. It takes two people to carry it

1364
01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:11.920
<v Speaker 9>back to your feed trough of a seat. Or if

1365
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:13.680
<v Speaker 9>you go up to Toronto to see the new half

1366
01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:17.960
<v Speaker 9>billion dollar player Guerrero Junior, Blue Jay, fans can attempt

1367
01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:22.560
<v Speaker 9>to stomach cotton candy, French fries, regular fries topped with

1368
01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:25.479
<v Speaker 9>cotton candy, and some sort of blue sauce.

1369
01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:26.359
<v Speaker 8>Oh Canada.

1370
01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.680
<v Speaker 9>That's one, two, three strikes your oot up in Toronto,

1371
01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:34.319
<v Speaker 9>and maybe the weirdest at least by American belly bursting

1372
01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:38.840
<v Speaker 9>standards out at where else Dodger Stadium, the tokoyaki dashi,

1373
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:45.640
<v Speaker 9>battered octopus fritters, mayo sauce, fish powder, scallions. Arigatto, but

1374
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:48.880
<v Speaker 9>no arigato. My apologies to anybody who hasn't had dinner yet.

1375
01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I bet those fly off the shelves at Dodger Stadium,

1376
01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I really do. I bet they fly off the shelves.

1377
01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:57.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, I was in Toronto two seasons ago, but

1378
01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:01.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would have ordered that at that park.

1379
01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:04.000
<v Speaker 1>By the way it is. I'll never forget when I

1380
01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:06.840
<v Speaker 1>was out there visiting you and we went to an

1381
01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Angels game and they just opened that ballpark out there

1382
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:13.279
<v Speaker 1>many moons ago, and I'm looking at sushi stands and

1383
01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:16.319
<v Speaker 1>baked potatoes, and you know, I'm like, what is all this?

1384
01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:18.199
<v Speaker 1>And they left that in the dust.

1385
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:21.000
<v Speaker 9>Taters are good, I know. It's like, so that's so

1386
01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:24.079
<v Speaker 9>nineteen fifties. Yeah, yeah, maybe that's a sushi. But yeah,

1387
01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:26.239
<v Speaker 9>I'm not sure that ballpark sushi is something I would

1388
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:26.920
<v Speaker 9>go for though.

1389
01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:27.199
<v Speaker 6>No.

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01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:30.119
<v Speaker 1>He is Gary Mories, our Western Burreo chief, will come

1391
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:31.960
<v Speaker 1>back with a couple of hot reds in just a minute.

1392
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:34.560
<v Speaker 1>On the Big Blueing Sider six thirty w Welcome back

1393
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:36.800
<v Speaker 1>to the Big Blueing Sider. We are chatting with our

1394
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:38.800
<v Speaker 1>wester n Bureao chief, Gary Moores, we do each and

1395
01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:42.000
<v Speaker 1>every Wednesday when he's in town and he's back from LA.

1396
01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:45.600
<v Speaker 1>So a couple of hot raids coming your way. You

1397
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:47.439
<v Speaker 1>and I also went to a hockey game I think

1398
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:50.880
<v Speaker 1>once upon a time out in LA and I know

1399
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.720
<v Speaker 1>you keep an eye on it. But man if I

1400
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:57.359
<v Speaker 1>had a team in the NHL, it would probably because

1401
01:15:57.399 --> 01:15:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Dallas didn't have a team when I was living down there,

1402
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:01.520
<v Speaker 1>it would be vancous because I have so many cousins

1403
01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:07.920
<v Speaker 1>up there Vancouver. Last night, in the last what couple

1404
01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:12.399
<v Speaker 1>of minutes they had pulled their goalie, they score three

1405
01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:17.760
<v Speaker 1>goals and stunned Dallas. This was on the road and

1406
01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:21.079
<v Speaker 1>beat the Dallas Star six to five in overtime. Three

1407
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:24.920
<v Speaker 1>goals in the last minute or so. Where does that

1408
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:28.520
<v Speaker 1>fit in the pantheon of greatest comebacks of all time?

1409
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:31.119
<v Speaker 9>Well, it's got to be probably up there, definitely, regular

1410
01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:33.680
<v Speaker 9>season kind of comebacks. I haven't I can't recall ever

1411
01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:35.439
<v Speaker 9>seen something like that. I mean, that's what you go

1412
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:37.640
<v Speaker 9>for when you're pulling the goalie and you've got you know,

1413
01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:41.079
<v Speaker 9>that's like the best case scenario obviously, but for a

1414
01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:43.359
<v Speaker 9>pro hockey that's like something maybe out of I don't know,

1415
01:16:43.439 --> 01:16:46.600
<v Speaker 9>junior hockey league or something. You wouldn't expect to see

1416
01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:51.000
<v Speaker 9>that in the pros at all. I saw on the

1417
01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:54.039
<v Speaker 9>replays of that man and then just like, what are

1418
01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:57.319
<v Speaker 9>you guys doing out there? And it's almost like it

1419
01:16:57.359 --> 01:16:59.199
<v Speaker 9>was it was sort of similar like what happened with

1420
01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:01.159
<v Speaker 9>Houston at the end of the Duke game. There was

1421
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:03.960
<v Speaker 9>such a flurry to score and the other team's kind

1422
01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:07.199
<v Speaker 9>of like, well, we can't stop them right right, just

1423
01:17:07.239 --> 01:17:08.800
<v Speaker 9>the way it was, and it happens.

1424
01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:10.560
<v Speaker 8>It goes across all sports.

1425
01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of Houston, that's our second hot read. Houston

1426
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:18.800
<v Speaker 1>just comes roaring back to beat Duke. But Florida came

1427
01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:22.720
<v Speaker 1>roaring back to beat Houston, which could not get off

1428
01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:26.800
<v Speaker 1>a shot in the last nineteen plus seconds. What was

1429
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.439
<v Speaker 1>your reaction as you watch that.

1430
01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:31.640
<v Speaker 9>I don't know that they it was like they were

1431
01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:34.920
<v Speaker 9>going to try and force one particular play no matter

1432
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:37.359
<v Speaker 9>what happened. It didn't seem to be very well organized.

1433
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:41.600
<v Speaker 9>I mean, and plus you know Florida's defense, Oh, you know,

1434
01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:44.319
<v Speaker 9>they got You got to give them a lot of

1435
01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:46.760
<v Speaker 9>the credit. There's so much length and they is so

1436
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:50.840
<v Speaker 9>on it. The way that Houston normally is and played

1437
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:53.159
<v Speaker 9>defense pretty much up to that point as well, especially

1438
01:17:53.159 --> 01:17:53.680
<v Speaker 9>on Clayton.

1439
01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:58.960
<v Speaker 1>And what amazed me was Houston's inbound plays, especially against Duke,

1440
01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:05.079
<v Speaker 1>was so well conceived and executed, and yet they couldn't

1441
01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:07.159
<v Speaker 1>get off a shot when they needed it the most.

1442
01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:11.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's you sometimes wonder about there's got to be

1443
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:13.000
<v Speaker 9>something in your back pocket as a great coach to

1444
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:14.800
<v Speaker 9>have is like, Okay, we got to save this. This

1445
01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:17.479
<v Speaker 9>is our last you know, And I'm sure they practiced.

1446
01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:19.159
<v Speaker 9>You know that we had ten seconds to get it in,

1447
01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:21.479
<v Speaker 9>last second shot kind of stuff. You do practice that

1448
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:22.039
<v Speaker 9>sort of stuff.

1449
01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:26.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but the guy Florida blew it up Florida.

1450
01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:29.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, they did, and there was no other choice.

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<v Speaker 9>And I think sometimes Houston. I love watching Houston play,

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<v Speaker 9>and I hope they get back to the Final four again.

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<v Speaker 8>It's it's almost like kind of.

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<v Speaker 9>A a glorified, really more kicked up version of street

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<v Speaker 9>ball in a way, whether when they play sometimes you

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<v Speaker 9>know what I mean, You know, you got to the

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<v Speaker 9>you go out to the to the asphalt courts or whatever,

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<v Speaker 9>and you see these guys just balling at it, and

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<v Speaker 9>these guys Houston was just they would the way they

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<v Speaker 9>would save some of the out of bounds, the balls

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<v Speaker 9>going out of bounds and stuff and any Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 9>Lucy and the.

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<v Speaker 8>Reb just fantastic. I was.

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<v Speaker 9>I was really kind of sad to see them lose,

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<v Speaker 9>but Florida was just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Well it's gonna happen again in a little less

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<v Speaker 1>than a year and can't wait. We'll be all over it.

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<v Speaker 1>He is Gary Mario is our West End bureau chief.

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<v Speaker 1>You can follow him on Twitter or ex at.

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<v Speaker 8>At nine five to five Gary, same joint you're at.

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<v Speaker 1>At Big Blue Insider one. Thank you sir, good to

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<v Speaker 1>have you back in this end of the country.

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<v Speaker 8>Good to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>Congrats again, hr weberd And that'll do it for now,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to my guests David Sis, Gary Moore and Sean Woods.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good night from the garage in Lexington.

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<v Speaker 8>Mister Speakcole It that'sn't in the game. You're ripping the car, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Bud, what's your problem?

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<v Speaker 7>Such stata showing anything? Then sat Sun change tack and

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<v Speaker 7>back from taps in them.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't the
