WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.720 Hi, Just when you thought you were safe, We're back 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:06.160 with another segment of the nonprofits, and right now we 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:09.640 want to talk about a disturbing trend that used to 4 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:13.759 be popular in America but is surprisingly coming back. And 5 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:16.640 who's going to take us there none other than Infidel's 6 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:19.000 sixty three point five himself. 7 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:22.120 In the wake of Roe v. Wade reversal, there is 8 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:25.480 a troubling trend, as you mentioned, Kelly, that's emerged with Catholic, 9 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:30.239 primarily Catholic and Evangelical groups aggressively expanding maternity homes across 10 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:33.920 the US. These institutions, under the guise of providing shelter 11 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.159 and support, often service instruments of religious and doctrination, pressuring 12 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:42.280 vulnerable pregnant women. Critics argue these groups active invasive pest 13 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:46.240 imposing their strict doctrines and limiting women's choices during a 14 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.719 very critical time in their lives. But as state level 15 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:53.600 abortion restrictions intensify, these maternity homes are becoming more than 16 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:58.200 just shelters that become battlegrounds where ideological warfare takes precedence 17 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:03.200 over genuine care, further entrenching the divisive culture and political 18 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:07.159 conflicts surrounding the topic reproductive rights. 19 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:07.519 Now. 20 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:10.480 This story is from AP News by Tiffany Stanley on 21 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:12.640 August second, twenty twenty four. 22 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:15.959 Well, that's kind of depressing, I think in some ways. 23 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:20.239 I did anyone who was reading anyone who was reading 24 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:22.200 this story, did y'all notice that every one of these 25 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:25.760 maternity homes was a religious organization? I thought that kind 26 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:29.359 of bothered me a little bit. But John, the one 27 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:33.159 thing that stuck out to you was, Wilson thinks maternity 28 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:35.680 homes are one answer to the to the criticism they 29 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:37.920 and can you discuss that some more? 30 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:43.200 Yeah, this whole, this whole thing, they're expanding these things. 31 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:46.200 It really reminds me of the homes for wayward girls 32 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:50.640 and a bunch of victim shamings, you know that. But 33 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:57.519 this whole thing is a is a propaganda ploy by 34 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.879 the right to right to death I call them, but 35 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.000 right to life of movement in order to say, yeah, 36 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.920 they keep complaining that we don't care about the baby 37 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.599 after it's out of the womb, and we don't, but 38 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:12.199 we don't care about the mother and her health. These 39 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.919 are places where they can go and will take care 40 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:19.520 of them, you know, sometimes for years afterwards, and make sure, 41 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:22.240 they get up on their feet. Yeah, but this is 42 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:26.840 what maybe right now a few thousand, maybe there's one 43 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.960 hundred and five of these places, and probably so you 44 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:32.960 might even get to one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand 45 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.919 people are being taken. There are a lot more than 46 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:39.759 that who can't get any services like this. And I 47 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:47.199 would be surprised, absolutely surprised if the amount of marginalized 48 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:52.599 groups of mothers are even really that well represented in 49 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:56.000 these things. This is just a propaganda ploy. See, we're 50 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:58.800 taking care of them. No, you're taking care of about 51 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:03.000 one hundredth of a percent of them. You know, that's 52 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:05.240 not taken care of them. So that was the thing 53 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:08.479 I had that I really wanted to make the point that, 54 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:12.199 you know, statistics can be very tricky, but this isn't 55 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:15.240 even statistics. This is just math. This is just it's 56 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:18.120 not even math, it's arithmetic. You know, any any third 57 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:20.039 grader should be able to do this, you know. So 58 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:22.360 that's what I had for it kill them. 59 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:26.120 I agree, Eli. I know you looked into some of 60 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.680 the past histories of these maternity new homes. Can you 61 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.520 kind of give us an idea of how these things, 62 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.039 you know, like, how what they were like back then 63 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:35.039 is compared to maybe how they are today. 64 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:39.479 Yeah, so even the article kind of makes the comparison that, 65 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:42.120 you know, the early days of these menterinary homes, these 66 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:45.960 were like young women that were sent away because they, 67 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:48.120 you know, they told the parents they got pregnant, and 68 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:50.400 the parents didn't want anybody in the family or the 69 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.639 church or the neighborhood to find out, so they sent 70 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:56.520 away secretly. They would wear like fake wedding rings. Sometimes 71 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.360 after they would give birth, they would leave the baby 72 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:02.360 there and they would go back home and pretend nothing happened. 73 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:06.639 And one of the women interviewed for the article who 74 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:11.240 had experienced one of those homes, had made the statement, 75 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:13.719 our babies were stolen from us, and that was an 76 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:17.000 experience that a lot of those women had. But to 77 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.600 on that note, Valerie Harkins, who is mentioned in the article, 78 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:25.000 she's the director of the Maternity Housing Coalition, which is 79 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:31.560 a nonprofit anti abortion network. She says that she wants 80 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.120 to make sure that the you know, that that ugly 81 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:37.800 history doesn't come back. And I honestly think that perhaps 82 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:40.639 we're being a little bit too harsh because we always say, 83 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.199 and John, you kind of pointed it out. We always 84 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:46.399 say that people who claim to be who call themselves 85 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:49.759 pro life are really just anti choice and they don't 86 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:52.079 actually care about the life, because if they did, they 87 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:56.480 would be doing this. It may be the yeah, exactly, 88 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:58.759 and it may be the case that perhaps, you know, 89 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:02.800 their assistance has religious connotations, but we also have to 90 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:06.759 recognize that that's what they think is in somebody's best interest. 91 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.639 They are like, they think they're trying to do the 92 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.680 right thing. It may not actually be, but it seems 93 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.600 like they have good intentions. And I think the fact 94 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:20.240 that they are limited in how many people they are 95 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:23.920 able to help, because if they're doing things correctly, if 96 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:28.079 it's religious, it's a nonprofit organization. So if they're limited 97 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.199 in their resources, I don't think that should be held 98 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.480 against them by virtue by way of like how many 99 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.560 people they have helped, just because they're doing the thing 100 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:39.240 that we always say, if you actually were pro life, 101 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.240 that's what you'd be doing. And I think I give 102 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:43.000 them credit for it. 103 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.800 I hate to use this expression because it has religious overtones, 104 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:48.879 but something my mother used to say all the time, 105 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.600 the road to hell is paid with good intentions. You know. 106 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:53.240 I was just thinking the same thing, Kelly. 107 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.279 Yeah, yeah, And I'm thinking that those people who were 108 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.959 stealing babies back in the nineteen twenties and the thirties 109 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:01.199 were thinking the same thing we're doing the LIFs there, 110 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.240 you know, yeah, up into the fifties, right, yeah. And 111 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:07.000 I'm not that I'm saying you're wrong, Ela, I'm just 112 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:08.959 looking at the big picture of it all. And I 113 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:12.000 really think that Valerie Harkins is I think she really 114 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.600 yet does have a good intentions for what she's doing. 115 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:17.439 But I have to question what some of these other 116 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.199 organizations are doing that are in the same field, Like 117 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:23.040 I know, the article mentions one that is literally right 118 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:25.680 next door to an adoption agency, and I'm afraid that 119 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:28.839 we're still seeing these women having their baby stolen from 120 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:32.240 them still today, So infinite, would you like to expand 121 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:32.920 on that at all? 122 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:37.800 You know, absolutely I'm with you on this, And let 123 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.279 me just interject real quick that I agree. I think 124 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:42.839 that most of these people who are down here in 125 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:47.759 the trenches doing this, their intentions are good. However dangerous 126 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:51.040 I think they are because they're teaching an education of 127 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:54.160 shame and guilt to avoid this happening in the future. 128 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.040 I don't think this is a healthy way to deal 129 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:00.439 with things. But I do think their intentions are the 130 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:05.120 best intentions that they know of in the situation. And agreed, 131 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:08.279 they can't help everybody, So the fact that they're helping 132 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:10.480 who they can in the way that they think they 133 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:14.160 are is finding good except the fact that, as you mentioned, 134 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.199 this does put back into that point of shame and 135 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.879 humiliation and isolation of these young girls. And what it's 136 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:23.720 going to do is it's going to create situations where 137 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.199 people who want to say, I just want my life back, 138 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:28.480 And in those situations, I think that it's going to 139 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.240 be far too easy for them to say, you know what, 140 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.240 we can help you make sure that this baby makes 141 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.959 it into a good Christian home. And I think that 142 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:40.120 that's just far too easy of a segue for them 143 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.720 to take these women who are in vulnerable situations obviously 144 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:45.959 or they wouldn't be there in the first place, and 145 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.879 then say, you know, we've got a solution for you. 146 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.680 Do I think that that's going to be what's an 147 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:56.240 evil intent necessarily for these people. No, but I personally 148 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.480 know a couple that has a several children and they 149 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:01.519 may or may not be better off than what they've 150 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.839 been otherwise, but that they're in a good Christian home. 151 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:07.519 Now that's part of the cell. And when you get 152 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.439 these people under control, I'm afraid we're going to see 153 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.319 women taking advantage of and we're going to see more 154 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:17.759 and more children who feed this, especially if we see 155 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:21.199 what we're seeing potentially with IVF restrictions, that's just going 156 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:23.959 to increase the demand more for children, and that this 157 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.600 could be the next this could be the next opening. 158 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.519 You know, twenty twenty four was opening up schools on 159 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:34.159 the on the dime. Let's open up a maternity homes 160 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:36.519 on the federal dime and yes, and so we can 161 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.840 start getting babies out there. And that's a very concerning situation. 162 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.440 You know, whenever I hear the phrase good Christian home, 163 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:46.679 I've made it no secret that I was physically abused 164 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:48.559 as a child, and I used to go to a 165 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:50.600 group therapy session and one of the guys that I 166 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.440 met there he was orphaned at a very young age 167 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:55.919 and bounced around from foster home to foster home and 168 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:57.759 told me about some of the horrors that he had 169 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.240 experienced in these foster homes. And when he was about 170 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.639 eight years old, he got adopted by a good Christian family, 171 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:06.240 and they were worse than any of the foster homes 172 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.000 that he ever was in, and he was stuck there 173 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:10.840 until he was eighteen years old. So I just hate 174 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:13.120 to hear that expression is and I know you weren't 175 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.519 using it in the way, but like, oh, it's better, 176 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.399 it's a good Christian home. Everything's going to be great. 177 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:18.559 You know. 178 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:23.879 So, yeah, his own adopted parents made him live underneath 179 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:24.679 the kitchen table. 180 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.200 Too much harm is done, you know, It's just it 181 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:32.919 goes that far. If these mothers give up their kids, 182 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:35.919 those kids are not going to be in a better situation. 183 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:40.159 I just don't think that that's possible, because they're going 184 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:44.320 to be indoctrinated and that causes more harm. And anybody 185 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:47.720 who's we know who's been through that situation, we know 186 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.879 how much harm that causes. And though they don't want 187 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:52.840 to be aware of the fact that they're teaching them 188 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.480 things that well, they'll have to go to therapy for many, 189 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:00.039 many years to get rid of once they're adults. I 190 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.480 just don't think that anybody in that situation should be 191 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:07.240 put through that. The indoctrination is too intense. The religious 192 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:11.919 side of things is just hogswallop. So it's like, no, 193 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:16.120 don't send your kids, don't let your kids be adopted 194 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:19.559 by a good Christian family, because a good Christian family 195 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:23.000 is not good parenting. And that's I won't go any 196 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:23.519 further than that. 197 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:27.840 I'm sorry I lost it a little bit. I started 198 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:31.519 thinking about what I just was talking about. I do 199 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.480 one of the things that I noticed in this article 200 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:36.080 is one of the things they talked about is how 201 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:40.039 the reasons for these homes have changed over the years. 202 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.919 Before they were there for moral reasons and now they're 203 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:47.000 they're more more. They are there more so for financial 204 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:50.120 reasons to help women who can't afford to have a baby. 205 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:53.759 I don't know which is better. I honestly don't you 206 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:57.080 know economics that the reason that what is a better 207 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.960 reason to have to have these homes, you know, economic 208 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.720 reasons or moral reasons. I think it's both sad that 209 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.720 we had that that's the reason these homes have to exist. 210 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.039 But I can see the necessity and Eli, you were 211 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:12.720 talking about them caring for the child more. But I wonder, 212 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:14.960 and i'd like to hear from you what you think 213 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.080 about this, And I don't have an answer. I'm not 214 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:19.440 sure you do. But do you think these places are 215 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:23.120 still sticking with these mothers, like three years down the road, 216 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:25.360 five years down like when this mom has to put 217 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:27.440 her child in school and needs the money to buy 218 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:29.799 school supplies, are they going to be there for or then? 219 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.200 Do you think, Well, it's difficult to say, but I mean, yeah, 220 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.200 I don't have an answer directly to that. I would 221 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.720 think probably not. But I don't think we can expect 222 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.360 any one organization to be there every step of the 223 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:42.720 way for every single person that they help, You know 224 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.759 what I mean. I think at a certain point there 225 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:48.200 are other programs, other organizations that can step into help 226 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.399 when it is time to enroll that kid in school, 227 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:52.879 when that kid does get into third grade and needs 228 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:56.759 like subsidized lunches or things like that. I think that 229 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:00.679 the I want to go back to something that John said, 230 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:04.519 because I've said plenty of times that you know, anything 231 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.440 we can get from religion, we can get from a 232 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.399 non religious organization that does just as well or better 233 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.960 without any of the harm. And while I do agree that, 234 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.799 I don't let me start that over. I well, I 235 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:21.000 don't agree with indoctrinating children into any ideology at all. 236 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.559 Let alone a religious one. I think there are worse 237 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:27.240 fates than you know living in it with Christian parents. 238 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:30.559 I mean, you know, I think that to say that, 239 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.480 you know, going to these religious maternity homes because they 240 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.440 are religious is inherently automatically going to make that child 241 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.519 worse off. I think it's probably not quite a fair 242 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:42.480 thing to say, because I think, again, I don't think 243 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:46.480 we should lose that these people are at least trying 244 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.200 to do the thing that they think is the better 245 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:53.559 alternative to abortion. And even if you know their religious 246 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:56.639 aspect of their help, isn't that good? This can now 247 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:01.639 inspire perhaps some secular organizations to do the same thing. 248 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.679 You don't have to be you know, anti choice to 249 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:09.960 help new mothers or pregnant people. So I think that's 250 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:11.960 a pretty important distinction to make. 251 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.919 Several several What it is is this baby steps right. 252 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:17.639 You can't get rid of the religious part of it 253 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:21.799 if that's what's motivating them to do the work when 254 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:23.720 the work still needs to be done. And I agree 255 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:25.960 with that, but I think there has to be a 256 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.600 program or other programs that the follow on is that 257 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:34.960 they started the ball rolling. Now let's see if we 258 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.679 can get secular community together to do that as well, 259 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.639 or you know, in some way have a plan for 260 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:46.320 these people that they know there's options other than you know, 261 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.240 going to church on Sundays and you know, or in 262 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.679 the case of some people, you know, going to Mass 263 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:55.519 three or four times a week. You know, it's like, yeah, 264 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:58.120 you don't need to be on your knees for anybody, 265 00:13:58.279 --> 00:13:58.440 you know. 266 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.519 Well, you know, one thing I wanted to say is 267 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:03.440 is that when we started by getting the ball rolling, 268 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:07.320 let's not forget that. However well intentioned these people are. 269 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:09.639 These are the same people that but oh thank you 270 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:13.840 Jesus when Roe versus Way got overturned, they created this problem. 271 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.919 They're part of the people that created the problem that 272 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:19.879 we need these homes for right now. And they're also 273 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:23.559 the ones that consistently vote against things like women with 274 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:27.480 infants into wick and snap and other food insecurity and 275 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:30.320 all types of things like rental assistance. These are the 276 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:32.120 people that want to say, pull them up, pull it 277 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:34.679 up by the back bootstraps, and they want to go 278 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:37.159 with all this, and they're the ones who're taken away 279 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.799 these people's right in the first place to do what 280 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:42.840 they want need to do with their own body. 281 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.399 You know, this is a real problem for me, and 282 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:47.919 you brought this up, and it's not with you, it's 283 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.600 with the instance that you're talking about. Because if I 284 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.559 see polls of Americans about issues, do you agree with 285 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.120 this you know, yes or no? Do you agree with 286 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.600 this yes or no? Do you agree with this yes 287 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:02.440 or no? It turns out like eighty percent of Americans 288 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.399 are liberal when they're think when you just keep politics 289 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.519 out of it and ask them about the issues, they 290 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:11.720 are on the side of liberals for most issues. But 291 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:14.039 they keep voting. So when you say these are the 292 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:16.440 same people, a lot of them aren't. A lot of 293 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:18.799 them aren't the same people. They've been hoodwinked by the 294 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:21.519 people that are voting for this crap. And I think 295 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:23.879 that's one of the problems, is this hoodwinking. 296 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.639 Right, I would say that the people that are putting 297 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:29.200 their money where their mouth is and actually trying to 298 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:33.320 help these women would very much so be opposed to abortion, 299 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.840 would very much so be those people who rejoice when 300 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:39.320 Roe versus Wade Rod return. I agree to that, that's 301 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:40.720 why they're involved. 302 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:42.879 And I agree, O yeah, but I bet you're those 303 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:46.600 thing people would still support Wick and snap for these women, you. 304 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.159 Know, and and on that you're probably right, but they're 305 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.840 right now, they're giving cover and so yes, I may 306 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.720 be lumping them all together in one unit here, but 307 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:59.279 you know, they they got they came to the dance 308 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.639 with this group. They're the ones who are and they're 309 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:04.039 feeding this. And yeah, so the other ones may be 310 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:07.240 doing something, they may be trying to do something about it, 311 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:09.440 but they need to turn around and take a hard 312 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.200 look at the people that they're having as allies. It's 313 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:14.600 kind of like one time. I remember an election where 314 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:16.879 I went to my in law's houses and I knew 315 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.399 who they're voting for, and I was like, staying with 316 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.039 the Klan, vote for whatever, and because that was who 317 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.559 they were going to support, was a person who are 318 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:28.200 a clan member supported, and I just wanted to make 319 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:31.159 them uncomfortable with that awareness. And I think that sometimes 320 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:34.440 these people need to be reminded of who their bedfellows are. 321 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:36.879 You know, you look like you wanted to say something 322 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.720 over there. No, I think that we just move on. 323 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.120 I think Thatdel made a good point that I was missing, 324 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.679 although I am, you know, I'll say impressed by their 325 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:54.840 effort to at least do what they think is best 326 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.080 to help. These are the same people that are voting 327 00:16:57.120 --> 00:17:00.000 to create the circumstances where people don't have a choice, 328 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.399 and having the choice is what is important. We can 329 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:06.400 have homes for people who don't want to have abortions 330 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:09.559 but don't have any other choice other than a maternity home. 331 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:11.839 We can have those, and it doesn't have to require 332 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:16.039 religious messages and't have to acquire like I think John 333 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:18.599 might have said, going to church on Sunday, you can 334 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.960 you know, you cannot want an abortion for non religious 335 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.079 reasons and still have no other option. So I think 336 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:28.079 having options like this available, like we said, getting the 337 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:31.240 ball rolling and taking these baby steps, the journey of 338 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:33.559 a thousand miles, of course, starts with a single step, 339 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:35.799 and I think this is one of them. And I'm 340 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:39.279 honestly surprised that it was a religious organization that did 341 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:41.160 something like that. You know that at least we're talking 342 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.279 about Maybe they didn't do it first, but I heard 343 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:45.720 about it first, rather than a secular one. 344 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.000 Yeah, I think that's a place where the secular, where 345 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:51.920 secular nonprofits need maybe to pick up the ball that 346 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:54.359 we need. We have an opening here that needs to 347 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:57.720 be filled by secular organizations to step into this place 348 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:01.000 and help with this right here hopefull I mean, let's hope, 349 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:03.759 let's hopefully and when you know, when you mentioned like 350 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:05.920 programs up the road that they might be able to 351 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:09.119 get into, I started thinking about those prog wicks, snap, 352 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:12.359 all those our liberal programs. You've got these conservative religious 353 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:14.559 people and they're going to and five years up the road. 354 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:16.640 We don't care about your kid because there's all these 355 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:21.559 liberals it all help they carry you in. It seems really, uh, 356 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:22.599 I don't know, silly to. 357 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:24.759 Me that was true. You know, we still have the 358 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:29.519 terror of the foster care system and the fact that 359 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.279 a lot of the foster kids end up in being 360 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:35.839 you know, warehoused someplace. You know. 361 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:38.599 So yeah, we have a foster care warehouse up here 362 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:40.839 by me and like a little it's like a little 363 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.759 wilderness camp, you know. But they've got like four trailer homes. 364 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:45.279 I don't know how many kids they got living there, 365 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:46.880 and got to have at least a dozen. You know, 366 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:47.920 it just seems it does. 367 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:50.240 It seems like it's a horrible upbringing. You know, it's 368 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:53.119 terrible for these kids. I wasn't one of them, but 369 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:57.079 you know, Uh, I'm a very privileged individual as far 370 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:00.920 as my upbringing. But so what happened to you? I 371 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.359 don't know. You know, I woke up one morning and said, 372 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.559 screw this, I'm just going to go jump off a bridge, 373 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:09.279 you know. And so I did, and I fell into 374 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:10.720 water and the Navy saved me. 375 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:15.720 Welcome my money, he said, I'm going to be an atheist. 376 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.519 Yeah to you know. One thing we have to remember 377 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:24.039 is that ultimately there are going to be children adopted 378 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:28.119 out of these homes. That's an inevitability. And the question 379 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:31.160 that I kept asking myself is how open would they, 380 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:35.920 most of these organizations be to an LGBTQ couple trying 381 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:40.599 to adopt a family. I think I know that answer, 382 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:43.640 And that's another one of the things that makes me think, 383 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:47.119 you know, what are you doing and what is in 384 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:48.039 the best interest? 385 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:51.160 Yeah, they have taken account what's in the best interest 386 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:54.200 of the child, not in the best interest of well, 387 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.000 G I have to spread my faith, or G I 388 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:59.759 have to unspread my faith, or G he needs to 389 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.160 be a doctor, or they need to program their lives 390 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:05.480 for them. No, let the kid be who he's going 391 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.119 to be. Give him some good ideas about what he 392 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:10.920 might want to do and ask him questions. That'd be fine. 393 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:13.640 I was wondering, if you know how churches don't have 394 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:15.920 to open up their books to the irs. I was 395 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.119 wondering if, because these were a religiously run organization, if 396 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:22.039 they were exempt from that too. And it's neither here 397 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:25.680 or near here, neither here nor there. For this story, 398 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:28.319 I can't talk again. But I just thought it was 399 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:30.839 an interesting concept. And I think I'm going to look 400 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:33.599 into that and see what that's all about, because I'm 401 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.720