WEBVTT 1 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:29.079 Bye week for the Utah Utes, hoping for a get 2 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:34.079 right game against Arizona State. Arizona had to get right 3 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:36.840 game against the Utes, so hoping to kind of replicate 4 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:38.960 that during this by a week our next guest. There's 5 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:41.039 a thing or two about the Utes. One of the 6 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:42.880 best to ever do it up there, played in the NFL. 7 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:46.119 I was hoping to have Scott Mitchell iven studio. As 8 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.320 I walked into the building, he was present. But he 9 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:50.079 has ditched us and now he's. 10 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:51.799 Over the phone. What happened, man? I thought you were 11 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:52.439 coming to studio. 12 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:56.600 Yeah, you know, life just throws a lot of curveballs 13 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:58.679 at you. I mean I also expected the Utes to 14 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:01.679 just be amazing on Saturday night. I mean, dark Moude, 15 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:04.640 you're at home. You have all these Hall of Fame weeks, 16 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:08.480 homecoming weeks, and they kind of laid an egg. So 17 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:13.159 I'm sorry, Spence. I should have known better. I should 18 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:13.879 have just hung around. 19 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:16.120 It's all good, my friend, all good. I appreciate your time, 20 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:19.560 whether it's in person over the phone. So obviously let's 21 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:22.439 start with what happened on Saturday night. And Scott, I 22 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:24.480 don't know how many times I've been in that stadium. 23 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:27.239 I couldn't even guess dating back to my time as 24 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.319 a student or dating back to my time as a 25 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:31.319 media member, which has now been twenty years, but I 26 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:32.200 was there with my son. 27 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:34.400 I was a season ticket holder once upon a time. 28 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:38.519 I don't know that I remember, at least recently, ri 29 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:43.920 cycles seeming so nervous, seeming so almost docile. I mean, 30 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:46.519 there wasn't a lot to get excited about. And obviously 31 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:49.840 when the football is good, it's easier to easier to cheer, 32 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:52.319 but start to finish, it just felt like a really 33 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:55.359 strange night, right, So, just overall, what were your takeaways 34 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:57.319 from Arizona's went over Utah on Saturday. 35 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:01.439 No, it's very astute because it was it was strange, 36 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:03.480 and there was a weird vibe there, and there was 37 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:06.840 a weird vibe with the team. And you know, you 38 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:10.360 have games like this, you do. You have low energy games, 39 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:13.360 you have you know, a fatigue game, you just have 40 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:16.159 one way you just you're just not quite together, you know, 41 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.360 converting those fourth downs early in the game. That kind 42 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:23.039 of tells you a little bit about where the mindset 43 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:25.560 of this team is. Because it's it's a it's that 44 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:28.400 do or die down like you don't get another one 45 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.240 if you've missed this. So you've got to have a 46 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:33.159 sense of urgency about you. And and it really wasn't 47 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.159 there And and you could you can attribute it to 48 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.159 a lot of things and say, you know, deemed traveled, 49 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:43.960 hot game, emotional game for what it was. You know, 50 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:46.560 you could have the fatigue of playing for two months. Now, 51 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.639 you have a young quarterback who doesn't you know, he's 52 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.879 never been through this, he never felt this before, and 53 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:55.680 and you need your leaders to step up. And and 54 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:59.439 it's clearly a game that they needed Cam Rising, they 55 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:03.439 needed asleadership. I think Corennie Reid they needed his leadership 56 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:05.759 on defense because it was across the board. It wasn't 57 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:10.400 it wasn't just offense. There was there was a lackluster 58 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.719 effort with the defense, uh during during the game. And 59 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:17.639 and I don't think I don't think they're coached that way. 60 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:21.120 I don't think that there they want to play that way. 61 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:23.479 You know, these guys love to play, they love to prepare, 62 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:25.919 they love to get out there and do it. It's 63 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:29.400 just sometimes you just have that night and and you 64 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:31.400 just got to figure out how to fight through it. 65 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:35.439 And it's it's the leader internally that you know, Hey, 66 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:37.319 we got to pick it up, guys, we gotta we 67 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:40.199 got to change the tone, the feel, everything here, and 68 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:42.439 you just didn't see it at all during the game. 69 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:43.319 Of course. 70 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:47.240 God, the big topic of conversation around the market is 71 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.719 Cameron is camera rising, his availability, his lack thereof the 72 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:55.960 messaging from the football program, the messaging from coaches and players. 73 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:58.759 I continue to be in the space where my. 74 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.240 Heart goes out to him, feel bad for him because 75 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.400 I think he's hurt, and when he's healthy, I think 76 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:07.840 he'll play. Not one for conspiracy theories and sports or elsewhere, 77 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:11.039 but those are flying around as well. So I just 78 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:12.879 want to Scott Mitchell take on the way this is 79 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.319 being handled, and if you have any information about where 80 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.040 we're at in the process of trying to get him 81 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:20.160 back under center. Obviously I would love to hear hear 82 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:21.279 from you on that as well. 83 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:26.600 Yeah, I think it's it's if you look at his 84 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.600 history and you say, this guy's brought a lot when 85 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:32.720 he's you know, the moment he stepped on the field, 86 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.360 I still remember it. I still remember the team. He 87 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:41.759 just elevated, everyone's hope, everyone's you know, feeling like belief 88 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:44.079 just what they played San Diego State. It was in 89 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.720 Los Angeles, and the minute he stepped in, it was 90 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.879 just different. And it was different the whole rest of 91 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:54.879 that season. I remember him throwing some big, huge plays 92 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.480 against USC in the coliseum and Utah hadn't beat USC 93 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.600 and they and it was Cam Rising having this moxie 94 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:06.399 and this this confidence to throw a ball on fourth 95 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:08.759 down and you know short and he throws it for 96 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:10.800 a touchdown. And there's just a lot of things that 97 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:14.759 he has brought to the table. Brought two championships, brought 98 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.240 two Rose Bowls, and played in some big time games 99 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:21.000 and and came up big in a lot of those games. 100 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:26.600 And he just is a guy that's uber competitive. But 101 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.160 how it's hard. It's hard to describe to people when 102 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:33.560 there's like hurt and then there's injured, and there're two 103 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:38.279 different things. And hurt is like, Okay, this is just annoying. 104 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:40.920 I'm gonna suck it up and I have to play. 105 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:45.120 And then and then there's injured, where it's like if 106 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.560 I play, I can't play well, like I'm gonna do 107 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.000 more damage to myself to the team, and and it's 108 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:55.480 and it's really a person individually that knows that. For 109 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:57.959 whatever reason, Cam has had a lot of injuries. I 110 00:05:58.040 --> 00:05:59.639 mean the first you know, he got named the starter, 111 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.720 it was Covid. It was in against USC he you know, 112 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:08.800 destroys his shoulder very early in that game. He got injured. 113 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.519 You know, I think, what both Rose Bowls and uh, 114 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.639 and so he's been injured and of course now he's 115 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.959 injured this year, and and it's just some guys just 116 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:21.800 have have those injuries. And I really think that he 117 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:24.560 wants to be in the game. I had an injury 118 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:26.600 one year. I had to get a shot just to 119 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.079 practice every day. It was the worst thing in the world. 120 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.199 And I got accused of this. You know, you just 121 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.399 don't you know, you're not playing, you know, you're you're 122 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:37.480 not tough enough, whatever, and it's just not It's just 123 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:40.199 not the case. So I really think he will be 124 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:44.279 out there. Part of it. Spence, It's really hard when 125 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:48.680 you have people that are passionate about the program, these 126 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:53.560 alumni people, these boosters, and they're so passionate. They put 127 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.240 their money where their mouth is, like they donate a 128 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:01.000 lot of money and a lot of effort into this program. 129 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:05.000 Being well and this school doing well and to see 130 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:09.319 someone who they're paying money to, you know, not you know, 131 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.759 not seeing a lot of return on that on that investment. 132 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.160 That that's hard and that's hard to swallow. And I 133 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.000 totally totally get that. I don't know that there's much 134 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:23.040 control over, you know, how where that money goes and 135 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:24.920 what happens with it. It's it's it's one of the 136 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:28.120 really bad things about college football right now. And so 137 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:31.959 people do expect those results. And I think Cam, I 138 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:36.199 think Cam does. And look, Utah still controls their destiny, 139 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:41.240 you know. You know Colorado's the two wins BYU Iowa State, 140 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.439 Utah plays all of those teams. It's really early in 141 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.879 the year. It's really a game that I think this 142 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.000 team can really fuel themselves from the sting of it, 143 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:55.040 because and I'm still reeling from it. I'm just like, 144 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:58.759 what the heck happens Saturday night? And and a lot 145 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:00.959 of times teams can really be shield by this and 146 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:04.759 move forward. You think of you think of Tim Tebow 147 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.439 when they won a national championship of Florida and they 148 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:10.480 had a loss like this and he just said, never again, 149 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:13.639 ever will this happen to me? And to this football 150 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:15.759 team and they go on and win a national championship. 151 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:18.240 So a lot of times you can turn some of 152 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.000 these nasty, terrible like feel like the end of the 153 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:26.319 program moments into you know, something that really propels you 154 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:28.839 to greater heights. 155 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:31.759 So I want to get your opinion on the way 156 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:35.360 that the program is handling the dissemination of information. And 157 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:39.240 Dennis Dodd today wrote a piece where he talked about 158 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:44.240 all the powerful conferences utilize a guy named Matt Holt. Now, 159 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:47.320 Matt is the founder of the US Integrity in Las Vegas, 160 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:50.480 which sounds like an oxymoron to me. As a gambling 161 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.679 integrity monitor, that's what he does. But you know, when 162 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:59.159 contacted about this situation specifically, here's what Matt Holt had 163 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.320 to say. He said, quote, we constantly tell our colleges, 164 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.799 if you continue to hide information for gamesmanship, our competitive 165 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.840 advantage purposes, you are putting your student athletes, your trainers, 166 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:12.679 your equipment managers, and your assistant coach is in a 167 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:16.080 heightened risk category is what we call it. When betting 168 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:19.480 groups start to figure out, hey, this coach won't disclose information. 169 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:23.559 Now there's real value to getting that inside information. So 170 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.159 sharks and wise guys and such. They lean on trainers, 171 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:29.919 and they lean on assistant coaches. They lean on players 172 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:33.799 to get inside information to therefore utilize that to affect 173 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:35.960 lines and make money. I don't love that this is 174 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:37.960 where we're at in sports, when they're in bed with 175 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:39.639 the gambling companies and the apps. 176 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:41.919 I think it's a really slippery slope. 177 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.840 Beckay Coppins from the Atlantic did a piece last week 178 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:48.519 on the effects on families now that we have about 179 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:51.960 five years of data of legalized gambling, what it has done. 180 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:55.840 Some families have lost homes, it's divorced, its debt. It's 181 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:59.000 a really really slippery slope. But we are where we are, 182 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.360 and ultimately, it does look like, according to what I 183 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.879 have in front of me from the CBS piece, these 184 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:08.799 coaches that are holding back information are thought to be 185 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:12.120 putting their staff in what's called a heightened risk category. 186 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:14.600 Do you think stuff like this will change the way 187 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:17.519 that the program is utilizing their platform to disseminate the 188 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.279 information and do you think they should change the way 189 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.200 they're going about it? For me, it feels unfair to 190 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.840 cam That's my whole thing. But what's the Scott Mitchell. 191 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:30.720 Take, Boy that that is an interesting statement because if 192 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.120 you watch, you know, we're sitting here all week long 193 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.240 going okay, is Cam playing? Is he not? As he playing? 194 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:38.600 Is he not? And then you watch the betting lines 195 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:43.000 and they change, and they change as the week goes on, 196 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.039 and they change. I mean at Oklahoma State they were 197 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:51.440 changing during you know, the day, and you and we 198 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:55.000 looked at it and I said, somebody knows something. And 199 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:57.960 these people that set these lines, you know, you talk 200 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:02.039 about like they know they're in the business of winning. 201 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.879 They're not. They're not there to lose. So so they're 202 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:06.919 gonna go and they're going to figure out how to 203 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:12.840 get any possible information that they can get. And uh, 204 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.080 and I'm sure those lines for the Utah the last 205 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:19.399 couple of weeks were based on maybe information they got 206 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:22.559 like hey, Cameron's not He's not going this week, because 207 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:25.759 you know, the lines changed and went down and and 208 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:28.039 then they went back, you know, and and so so 209 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:32.639 someone somewhere somewhere, or some someone somewhere is getting information. 210 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:39.000 How they do it, who knows? Because your point about gambling, 211 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.399 and it's so easy, like so many things in our 212 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:45.720 society today are so convenient. You can pretty much be anywhere, 213 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.120 and oh I can gamble on a gam shoot, I 214 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.279 can gamble during the game. I can. You know, It's 215 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.159 just they've made it extremely easy. And and who knows 216 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:58.080 who's involved in gambling. You know something. Why I play 217 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:00.600 in the NFL is like you, it was hammered into 218 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:02.840 your brain. Do not talk to, do not share, do 219 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.279 not anything. Uh. You know, the integrity of our game 220 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.679 is so critical, and if anyone thought it was fixed, 221 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:11.639 or if anyone thought, you know, it would just it 222 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.440 would really destroy the whole. And it would and it does. 223 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:19.440 But people, but we're human. I I don't. I know, 224 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:24.080 I'm not a gambler. It's not my thing. I've never 225 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.240 done it. I'd never cared to do it. I know 226 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:27.799 a lot of people. I know a lot of people 227 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.360 in sports. I know a lot of people who are 228 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:35.480 playing sports are huge gamblers. And and so you know, 229 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.639 if you have you know, if you have the equipment 230 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:39.320 manager and I'm not saying that's the case, or you 231 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.879 have some front office person who, yeah, I like to gamble, 232 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.240 and uh, and then someone's and they and someone finds 233 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.679 out they kind of like to gamble, and they go, hey, 234 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.279 if you give us some insight onto whether Cam Rising 235 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:54.519 is playing or not. We'll give you, we'll give you 236 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:56.840 a thousand bucks, or we'll give you whatever. I mean, 237 00:12:56.879 --> 00:12:59.840 who knows what you know? Who knows or someone may 238 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:02.639 be in trouble gambling, and they go, we'll take care 239 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:04.960 of your your problem here if you give us some 240 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:10.320 insider information. These people in Vegas will find they'll find information, 241 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:13.799 and they'll know because they they do not want to lose. 242 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.919 And this, this whole setting these lines things is a 243 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:19.639 science and something I have no idea, but they're they're 244 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:22.759 pretty good at it. And and so yeah, I could 245 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:28.399 see where it could really impact people inside of organizations. 246 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:33.759 I'm still trying to And and gamesmanship is fine, right whatever, 247 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:36.759 you know, everyone has their thing. Everyone tries to find 248 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:39.399 a way to get an edge, to be motivated. And 249 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:41.840 I certainly did it, and I you know, I would 250 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:46.039 I would do everything I could possibly do to to 251 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:48.480 figure out how to how to have an edge on 252 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.000 my competition, knowing that they're doing the same thing. But 253 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.600 I so I don't understand completely why you just don't 254 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.720 tell people. You know, in the NFL, it's pretty it's 255 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:03.200 pretty known, it's pretty pretty out there. Uh you know 256 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.519 college football. These these coaches have a pretty good feel 257 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:10.799 of other programs and how their schemes and all of 258 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.240 these different things. And it might be an advantage for 259 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:17.919 a series or two or whatever. I don't know that 260 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.799 it's a complete advantage if you don't know who which 261 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:25.279 players playing or who's not playing. You know, I, I 262 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.919 you know, if if if it's anything, it just should 263 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:33.000 to be standard across across the board. But I'm one 264 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.399 that you know, I. I don't have a problem being 265 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.440 transparent and kind of telling where where players or people are. 266 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:42.519 But you know, coach Whittingham has never been that way, 267 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:45.120 doesn't feel that way. He's like, look, I want if 268 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:46.799 I don't have to share it, I'm not going to 269 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.759 and and so he doesn't. And I don't have a 270 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:53.200 problem with that either. But uh, you know, the the 271 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:57.679 challenge with Cam is that he's getting paid, and he's 272 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:01.480 getting paid a lot of money and for you know, 273 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.799 almost a year and a quarter or a third because 274 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:07.879 we're well even a little bit more than a third now. 275 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:13.399 So that's that's unfortunately how things are. You get paid 276 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:17.279 to do this. There's a different expectation and now it 277 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:21.480 comes with production and winning and the perception of production 278 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:24.919 and winning, and that's a different deal, and that's called 279 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:27.679 professional sports, and that's really what college football is. 280 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.360 So Scott, final thing on this, and then we'll get 281 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:34.200 to a couple of other quick topics before set you loose. 282 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.120 I'm just operating off the premise that it's Isaac can 283 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:40.279 tell it's not. I don't have any knowledge on what 284 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:41.960 the next couple of weeks are going to look like. 285 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:45.759 It's easy to surmise that if we take Utah football 286 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.639 on their word, but historically speaking their word on this 287 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.080 is not reliable and we all understand why competitive advantage 288 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.320 all that stuff. If Cameron was very close to playing 289 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:59.679 against Arizona, I think it's safe to say that, given 290 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:03.720 two more weeks, we should expect him against Arizona State. 291 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:04.840 But I'll go with. 292 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:06.799 The premonition that it's eyes you can tell, it's not. 293 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:08.960 What's your understanding of where we're at with Cam's health 294 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:09.879 as of today. 295 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:15.720 Well, if long term, this year, right now, Cam rising 296 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:19.639 gives you taw the best chance to win big picture 297 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:24.919 conference championship, win those tough games, you know, really kind 298 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:27.879 of be the guy to be that leader and lead 299 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:31.799 this team and rise the level of expectation and play, 300 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:37.039 and so you want him in there with this injury. 301 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:40.480 You know, who knows what it is. And I've had 302 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.519 injuries like this and fingers and getting hit on helmets 303 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:48.480 and stretched ligaments and broken broken fingers and all kinds 304 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.440 of things. And the reality is it's it's probably going 305 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:55.159 to be a nuisance no matter what, for the rest 306 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:57.480 of the year. I don't you know, who knows if 307 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.159 it'll go away, just just simply because if he's gonna throw, 308 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:03.799 he's going to play, he's just gonna probably continue to 309 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.799 aggravate it. So I don't know if there's ever a 310 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:10.880 level of you're just completely healthy, and so it's kind 311 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:13.759 of how much can you tolerate? How much can you 312 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:15.559 suck up? How can you how much can you not 313 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.960 be distracted by it? It does you know, those those 314 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:22.440 two fingers, your ring finger and your middle finger are 315 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:27.160 not the most essential fingers throwing a football. It could 316 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:29.960 it could impact your delivery. You know, I don't know, 317 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:35.200 but I would. I would really I'm going to disagree 318 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:38.920 with you. I really think they're really trying hard to 319 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:42.960 get Cam ready for Arizona State. I think I think 320 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:46.160 it's something that I think he can play from it 321 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:48.839 didn't look good at Oklahoma State. He actually looked better 322 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:52.880 because he threw a little bit before the Arizona game. 323 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.599 But I think I think he I think he's going 324 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.119 to try. I think they're going to try to have 325 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.680 him ready by then and ANDAB we should be able 326 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:01.119 to play. 327 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:04.839 Yeah, I don't know what you're disagreeing with. I'm saying 328 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.079 I'm operating off the premise that it's Isaac can tell 329 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:09.920 it's not, because until I see it, it's hard to 330 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:12.319 believe based off of all the information we've been giving. 331 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:14.480 I agree that they're trying to get him ready to play, 332 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.119 but until we actually see it, you know, it's for me, 333 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.559 it's time to kind of ignore the messaging. Until the 334 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.880 utes run out for their first possession on offense and 335 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:27.680 it's number seven and not eleven, I'm going to operate 336 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:29.480 off the premise that it's eleven not seven. 337 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.279 I just need to see it before I can believe it. 338 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:35.359 Yeah, And that's probably a healthy attitude to have. And 339 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:39.880 the good the silver lining with all of this is, man, 340 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:43.880 Isaac Wilson's getting some great experience and some of it painful. 341 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:47.240 You know, I'm just telling you that last week was painful, 342 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:51.880 and and the painful part is Son you had like 343 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:54.680 when you're in the red zone, come hell or high water, 344 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:56.559 you got to figure out how to score and you 345 00:18:57.079 --> 00:18:59.799 get those fourth downs, whatever it is, you got to 346 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.519 make it happened. And you can't just you know it, 347 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:05.200 just you just have to do it, and you have 348 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:08.559 to will that on your team that this is extremely important. 349 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:10.599 We got it, we got to get it done. And 350 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:14.759 and so there's just so so many game scenarios or 351 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.240 things that come come up that that Isaac's had to 352 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.160 deal with that being one of them, and and they'll 353 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:24.599 just they'll be so valuable down the road. But unfortunately, 354 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.640 this team is ready to win now and has such 355 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.200 a great opportunity in the Big twelve. And because I 356 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:32.480 still think it's very wide open in the conference, there's 357 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:34.400 not a team I go oh wow that you know, 358 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.599 that's that's just the dominant team right there. And and 359 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:40.319 so you really need need to get the guy back 360 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:42.480 who can make it happen. But but it is good 361 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:45.160 for Isaac to for him to get that experience. 362 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:47.039 All right, Scott, before I say you lose, I referenced 363 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:50.880 this earlier Arizona after the case Stay lost, they talked 364 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:53.599 about the Utah game as a get right game for 365 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:56.720 them after a buye. What does a get right game 366 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:01.960 look like for Utah after a buye against Arizona's. 367 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:04.759 Well, it's just playing with that sense of urgency, playing 368 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:07.920 really to win and not not kind of tired or 369 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:09.079 playing not to lose. 370 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:09.960 Uh. 371 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:14.279 It's it's about being aggressive. And you know, Arizona really 372 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:17.599 took the tempo to the game to Utah. They dictated 373 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:20.359 terms the whole entire game, and that's what you have 374 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:22.720 to do, you you know. And I think that's the 375 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:25.400 energy that people were feeling. They were like, these guys 376 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:27.799 aren't intimidated by being here in the stadium and this 377 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:30.960 noise and this crowd. This team, it's like they're here 378 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:34.279 to win. They're here to Uh, you've got the target 379 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.640 on your chest and we're going we're coming after you. 380 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:39.160 And Utah is going to get that all year. But 381 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.680 they've got to have the youths have to have this 382 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:46.160 attitude that like every play is life and death, like 383 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.960 like this this really matters, Like you can't you can't 384 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:53.640 be complacent in any moment and that includes all of 385 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:55.839 your preparation leading out to this game. I bet if 386 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:58.440 you went and asked and pulled the players and the 387 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:02.079 coaches and said, did you do everything you could possibly 388 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.920 do to get yourself ready to play this week? And 389 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:07.000 I'll bet almost all of them say no, there's things 390 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.720 I could have done better and and and that's that's 391 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:13.920 the cruelty of football, that's the immediacy of it. That 392 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.480 you only get so many opportunities. There's only three more 393 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:20.559 home games this year. I mean there's three, said, you know, 394 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:25.079 and so you have to take advantage of those opportunities. 395 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.359 They have to be so precious to you, and you 396 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:30.400 just have to come out with this like we just 397 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:33.200 got to let everything hang out and just play to win. 398 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:37.039 And we always said play like men and just you know, 399 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:39.079 let it all hang out. And that's that's the way 400 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:39.680 you gotta play. 401 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:43.559