Speaker 1: Bye week for the Utah Utes, hoping for a get
Speaker 1: right game against Arizona State. Arizona had to get right
Speaker 1: game against the Utes, so hoping to kind of replicate
Speaker 1: that during this by a week our next guest. There's
Speaker 1: a thing or two about the Utes. One of the
Speaker 1: best to ever do it up there, played in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I was hoping to have Scott Mitchell iven studio. As
Speaker 1: I walked into the building, he was present. But he
Speaker 1: has ditched us and now he's.
Speaker 2: Over the phone. What happened, man? I thought you were
Speaker 2: coming to studio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, life just throws a lot of curveballs
Speaker 3: at you. I mean I also expected the Utes to
Speaker 3: just be amazing on Saturday night. I mean, dark Moude,
Speaker 3: you're at home. You have all these Hall of Fame weeks,
Speaker 3: homecoming weeks, and they kind of laid an egg. So
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Spence. I should have known better. I should
Speaker 3: have just hung around.
Speaker 1: It's all good, my friend, all good. I appreciate your time,
Speaker 1: whether it's in person over the phone. So obviously let's
Speaker 1: start with what happened on Saturday night. And Scott, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many times I've been in that stadium.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even guess dating back to my time as
Speaker 1: a student or dating back to my time as a
Speaker 1: media member, which has now been twenty years, but I
Speaker 1: was there with my son.
Speaker 2: I was a season ticket holder once upon a time.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I remember, at least recently, ri
Speaker 1: cycles seeming so nervous, seeming so almost docile. I mean,
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot to get excited about. And obviously
Speaker 1: when the football is good, it's easier to easier to cheer,
Speaker 1: but start to finish, it just felt like a really
Speaker 1: strange night, right, So, just overall, what were your takeaways
Speaker 1: from Arizona's went over Utah on Saturday.
Speaker 3: No, it's very astute because it was it was strange,
Speaker 3: and there was a weird vibe there, and there was
Speaker 3: a weird vibe with the team. And you know, you
Speaker 3: have games like this, you do. You have low energy games,
Speaker 3: you have you know, a fatigue game, you just have
Speaker 3: one way you just you're just not quite together, you know,
Speaker 3: converting those fourth downs early in the game. That kind
Speaker 3: of tells you a little bit about where the mindset
Speaker 3: of this team is. Because it's it's a it's that
Speaker 3: do or die down like you don't get another one
Speaker 3: if you've missed this. So you've got to have a
Speaker 3: sense of urgency about you. And and it really wasn't
Speaker 3: there And and you could you can attribute it to
Speaker 3: a lot of things and say, you know, deemed traveled,
Speaker 3: hot game, emotional game for what it was. You know,
Speaker 3: you could have the fatigue of playing for two months. Now,
Speaker 3: you have a young quarterback who doesn't you know, he's
Speaker 3: never been through this, he never felt this before, and
Speaker 3: and you need your leaders to step up. And and
Speaker 3: it's clearly a game that they needed Cam Rising, they
Speaker 3: needed asleadership. I think Corennie Reid they needed his leadership
Speaker 3: on defense because it was across the board. It wasn't
Speaker 3: it wasn't just offense. There was there was a lackluster
Speaker 3: effort with the defense, uh during during the game. And
Speaker 3: and I don't think I don't think they're coached that way.
Speaker 3: I don't think that there they want to play that way.
Speaker 3: You know, these guys love to play, they love to prepare,
Speaker 3: they love to get out there and do it. It's
Speaker 3: just sometimes you just have that night and and you
Speaker 3: just got to figure out how to fight through it.
Speaker 3: And it's it's the leader internally that you know, Hey,
Speaker 3: we got to pick it up, guys, we gotta we
Speaker 3: got to change the tone, the feel, everything here, and
Speaker 3: you just didn't see it at all during the game.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: God, the big topic of conversation around the market is
Speaker 1: Cameron is camera rising, his availability, his lack thereof the
Speaker 1: messaging from the football program, the messaging from coaches and players.
Speaker 2: I continue to be in the space where my.
Speaker 1: Heart goes out to him, feel bad for him because
Speaker 1: I think he's hurt, and when he's healthy, I think
Speaker 1: he'll play. Not one for conspiracy theories and sports or elsewhere,
Speaker 1: but those are flying around as well. So I just
Speaker 1: want to Scott Mitchell take on the way this is
Speaker 1: being handled, and if you have any information about where
Speaker 1: we're at in the process of trying to get him
Speaker 1: back under center. Obviously I would love to hear hear
Speaker 1: from you on that as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it's if you look at his
Speaker 3: history and you say, this guy's brought a lot when
Speaker 3: he's you know, the moment he stepped on the field,
Speaker 3: I still remember it. I still remember the team. He
Speaker 3: just elevated, everyone's hope, everyone's you know, feeling like belief
Speaker 3: just what they played San Diego State. It was in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, and the minute he stepped in, it was
Speaker 3: just different. And it was different the whole rest of
Speaker 3: that season. I remember him throwing some big, huge plays
Speaker 3: against USC in the coliseum and Utah hadn't beat USC
Speaker 3: and they and it was Cam Rising having this moxie
Speaker 3: and this this confidence to throw a ball on fourth
Speaker 3: down and you know short and he throws it for
Speaker 3: a touchdown. And there's just a lot of things that
Speaker 3: he has brought to the table. Brought two championships, brought
Speaker 3: two Rose Bowls, and played in some big time games
Speaker 3: and and came up big in a lot of those games.
Speaker 3: And he just is a guy that's uber competitive. But
Speaker 3: how it's hard. It's hard to describe to people when
Speaker 3: there's like hurt and then there's injured, and there're two
Speaker 3: different things. And hurt is like, Okay, this is just annoying.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna suck it up and I have to play.
Speaker 3: And then and then there's injured, where it's like if
Speaker 3: I play, I can't play well, like I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: more damage to myself to the team, and and it's
Speaker 3: and it's really a person individually that knows that. For
Speaker 3: whatever reason, Cam has had a lot of injuries. I
Speaker 3: mean the first you know, he got named the starter,
Speaker 3: it was Covid. It was in against USC he you know,
Speaker 3: destroys his shoulder very early in that game. He got injured.
Speaker 3: You know, I think, what both Rose Bowls and uh,
Speaker 3: and so he's been injured and of course now he's
Speaker 3: injured this year, and and it's just some guys just
Speaker 3: have have those injuries. And I really think that he
Speaker 3: wants to be in the game. I had an injury
Speaker 3: one year. I had to get a shot just to
Speaker 3: practice every day. It was the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 3: And I got accused of this. You know, you just
Speaker 3: don't you know, you're not playing, you know, you're you're
Speaker 3: not tough enough, whatever, and it's just not It's just
Speaker 3: not the case. So I really think he will be
Speaker 3: out there. Part of it. Spence, It's really hard when
Speaker 3: you have people that are passionate about the program, these
Speaker 3: alumni people, these boosters, and they're so passionate. They put
Speaker 3: their money where their mouth is, like they donate a
Speaker 3: lot of money and a lot of effort into this program.
Speaker 3: Being well and this school doing well and to see
Speaker 3: someone who they're paying money to, you know, not you know,
Speaker 3: not seeing a lot of return on that on that investment.
Speaker 3: That that's hard and that's hard to swallow. And I
Speaker 3: totally totally get that. I don't know that there's much
Speaker 3: control over, you know, how where that money goes and
Speaker 3: what happens with it. It's it's it's one of the
Speaker 3: really bad things about college football right now. And so
Speaker 3: people do expect those results. And I think Cam, I
Speaker 3: think Cam does. And look, Utah still controls their destiny,
Speaker 3: you know. You know Colorado's the two wins BYU Iowa State,
Speaker 3: Utah plays all of those teams. It's really early in
Speaker 3: the year. It's really a game that I think this
Speaker 3: team can really fuel themselves from the sting of it,
Speaker 3: because and I'm still reeling from it. I'm just like,
Speaker 3: what the heck happens Saturday night? And and a lot
Speaker 3: of times teams can really be shield by this and
Speaker 3: move forward. You think of you think of Tim Tebow
Speaker 3: when they won a national championship of Florida and they
Speaker 3: had a loss like this and he just said, never again,
Speaker 3: ever will this happen to me? And to this football
Speaker 3: team and they go on and win a national championship.
Speaker 3: So a lot of times you can turn some of
Speaker 3: these nasty, terrible like feel like the end of the
Speaker 3: program moments into you know, something that really propels you
Speaker 3: to greater heights.
Speaker 1: So I want to get your opinion on the way
Speaker 1: that the program is handling the dissemination of information. And
Speaker 1: Dennis Dodd today wrote a piece where he talked about
Speaker 1: all the powerful conferences utilize a guy named Matt Holt. Now,
Speaker 1: Matt is the founder of the US Integrity in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: which sounds like an oxymoron to me. As a gambling
Speaker 1: integrity monitor, that's what he does. But you know, when
Speaker 1: contacted about this situation specifically, here's what Matt Holt had
Speaker 1: to say. He said, quote, we constantly tell our colleges,
Speaker 1: if you continue to hide information for gamesmanship, our competitive
Speaker 1: advantage purposes, you are putting your student athletes, your trainers,
Speaker 1: your equipment managers, and your assistant coach is in a
Speaker 1: heightened risk category is what we call it. When betting
Speaker 1: groups start to figure out, hey, this coach won't disclose information.
Speaker 1: Now there's real value to getting that inside information. So
Speaker 1: sharks and wise guys and such. They lean on trainers,
Speaker 1: and they lean on assistant coaches. They lean on players
Speaker 1: to get inside information to therefore utilize that to affect
Speaker 1: lines and make money. I don't love that this is
Speaker 1: where we're at in sports, when they're in bed with
Speaker 1: the gambling companies and the apps.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really slippery slope.
Speaker 1: Beckay Coppins from the Atlantic did a piece last week
Speaker 1: on the effects on families now that we have about
Speaker 1: five years of data of legalized gambling, what it has done.
Speaker 1: Some families have lost homes, it's divorced, its debt. It's
Speaker 1: a really really slippery slope. But we are where we are,
Speaker 1: and ultimately, it does look like, according to what I
Speaker 1: have in front of me from the CBS piece, these
Speaker 1: coaches that are holding back information are thought to be
Speaker 1: putting their staff in what's called a heightened risk category.
Speaker 1: Do you think stuff like this will change the way
Speaker 1: that the program is utilizing their platform to disseminate the
Speaker 1: information and do you think they should change the way
Speaker 1: they're going about it? For me, it feels unfair to
Speaker 1: cam That's my whole thing. But what's the Scott Mitchell.
Speaker 3: Take, Boy that that is an interesting statement because if
Speaker 3: you watch, you know, we're sitting here all week long
Speaker 3: going okay, is Cam playing? Is he not? As he playing?
Speaker 3: Is he not? And then you watch the betting lines
Speaker 3: and they change, and they change as the week goes on,
Speaker 3: and they change. I mean at Oklahoma State they were
Speaker 3: changing during you know, the day, and you and we
Speaker 3: looked at it and I said, somebody knows something. And
Speaker 3: these people that set these lines, you know, you talk
Speaker 3: about like they know they're in the business of winning.
Speaker 3: They're not. They're not there to lose. So so they're
Speaker 3: gonna go and they're going to figure out how to
Speaker 3: get any possible information that they can get. And uh,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure those lines for the Utah the last
Speaker 3: couple of weeks were based on maybe information they got
Speaker 3: like hey, Cameron's not He's not going this week, because
Speaker 3: you know, the lines changed and went down and and
Speaker 3: then they went back, you know, and and so so
Speaker 3: someone somewhere somewhere, or some someone somewhere is getting information.
Speaker 3: How they do it, who knows? Because your point about gambling,
Speaker 3: and it's so easy, like so many things in our
Speaker 3: society today are so convenient. You can pretty much be anywhere,
Speaker 3: and oh I can gamble on a gam shoot, I
Speaker 3: can gamble during the game. I can. You know, It's
Speaker 3: just they've made it extremely easy. And and who knows
Speaker 3: who's involved in gambling. You know something. Why I play
Speaker 3: in the NFL is like you, it was hammered into
Speaker 3: your brain. Do not talk to, do not share, do
Speaker 3: not anything. Uh. You know, the integrity of our game
Speaker 3: is so critical, and if anyone thought it was fixed,
Speaker 3: or if anyone thought, you know, it would just it
Speaker 3: would really destroy the whole. And it would and it does.
Speaker 3: But people, but we're human. I I don't. I know,
Speaker 3: I'm not a gambler. It's not my thing. I've never
Speaker 3: done it. I'd never cared to do it. I know
Speaker 3: a lot of people. I know a lot of people
Speaker 3: in sports. I know a lot of people who are
Speaker 3: playing sports are huge gamblers. And and so you know,
Speaker 3: if you have you know, if you have the equipment
Speaker 3: manager and I'm not saying that's the case, or you
Speaker 3: have some front office person who, yeah, I like to gamble,
Speaker 3: and uh, and then someone's and they and someone finds
Speaker 3: out they kind of like to gamble, and they go, hey,
Speaker 3: if you give us some insight onto whether Cam Rising
Speaker 3: is playing or not. We'll give you, we'll give you
Speaker 3: a thousand bucks, or we'll give you whatever. I mean,
Speaker 3: who knows what you know? Who knows or someone may
Speaker 3: be in trouble gambling, and they go, we'll take care
Speaker 3: of your your problem here if you give us some
Speaker 3: insider information. These people in Vegas will find they'll find information,
Speaker 3: and they'll know because they they do not want to lose.
Speaker 3: And this, this whole setting these lines things is a
Speaker 3: science and something I have no idea, but they're they're
Speaker 3: pretty good at it. And and so yeah, I could
Speaker 3: see where it could really impact people inside of organizations.
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to And and gamesmanship is fine, right whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, everyone has their thing. Everyone tries to find
Speaker 3: a way to get an edge, to be motivated. And
Speaker 3: I certainly did it, and I you know, I would
Speaker 3: I would do everything I could possibly do to to
Speaker 3: figure out how to how to have an edge on
Speaker 3: my competition, knowing that they're doing the same thing. But
Speaker 3: I so I don't understand completely why you just don't
Speaker 3: tell people. You know, in the NFL, it's pretty it's
Speaker 3: pretty known, it's pretty pretty out there. Uh you know
Speaker 3: college football. These these coaches have a pretty good feel
Speaker 3: of other programs and how their schemes and all of
Speaker 3: these different things. And it might be an advantage for
Speaker 3: a series or two or whatever. I don't know that
Speaker 3: it's a complete advantage if you don't know who which
Speaker 3: players playing or who's not playing. You know, I, I
Speaker 3: you know, if if if it's anything, it just should
Speaker 3: to be standard across across the board. But I'm one
Speaker 3: that you know, I. I don't have a problem being
Speaker 3: transparent and kind of telling where where players or people are.
Speaker 3: But you know, coach Whittingham has never been that way,
Speaker 3: doesn't feel that way. He's like, look, I want if
Speaker 3: I don't have to share it, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: and and so he doesn't. And I don't have a
Speaker 3: problem with that either. But uh, you know, the the
Speaker 3: challenge with Cam is that he's getting paid, and he's
Speaker 3: getting paid a lot of money and for you know,
Speaker 3: almost a year and a quarter or a third because
Speaker 3: we're well even a little bit more than a third now.
Speaker 3: So that's that's unfortunately how things are. You get paid
Speaker 3: to do this. There's a different expectation and now it
Speaker 3: comes with production and winning and the perception of production
Speaker 3: and winning, and that's a different deal, and that's called
Speaker 3: professional sports, and that's really what college football is.
Speaker 1: So Scott, final thing on this, and then we'll get
Speaker 1: to a couple of other quick topics before set you loose.
Speaker 1: I'm just operating off the premise that it's Isaac can
Speaker 1: tell it's not. I don't have any knowledge on what
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks are going to look like.
Speaker 1: It's easy to surmise that if we take Utah football
Speaker 1: on their word, but historically speaking their word on this
Speaker 1: is not reliable and we all understand why competitive advantage
Speaker 1: all that stuff. If Cameron was very close to playing
Speaker 1: against Arizona, I think it's safe to say that, given
Speaker 1: two more weeks, we should expect him against Arizona State.
Speaker 2: But I'll go with.
Speaker 1: The premonition that it's eyes you can tell, it's not.
Speaker 1: What's your understanding of where we're at with Cam's health
Speaker 1: as of today.
Speaker 3: Well, if long term, this year, right now, Cam rising
Speaker 3: gives you taw the best chance to win big picture
Speaker 3: conference championship, win those tough games, you know, really kind
Speaker 3: of be the guy to be that leader and lead
Speaker 3: this team and rise the level of expectation and play,
Speaker 3: and so you want him in there with this injury.
Speaker 3: You know, who knows what it is. And I've had
Speaker 3: injuries like this and fingers and getting hit on helmets
Speaker 3: and stretched ligaments and broken broken fingers and all kinds
Speaker 3: of things. And the reality is it's it's probably going
Speaker 3: to be a nuisance no matter what, for the rest
Speaker 3: of the year. I don't you know, who knows if
Speaker 3: it'll go away, just just simply because if he's gonna throw,
Speaker 3: he's going to play, he's just gonna probably continue to
Speaker 3: aggravate it. So I don't know if there's ever a
Speaker 3: level of you're just completely healthy, and so it's kind
Speaker 3: of how much can you tolerate? How much can you
Speaker 3: suck up? How can you how much can you not
Speaker 3: be distracted by it? It does you know, those those
Speaker 3: two fingers, your ring finger and your middle finger are
Speaker 3: not the most essential fingers throwing a football. It could
Speaker 3: it could impact your delivery. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I would. I would really I'm going to disagree
Speaker 3: with you. I really think they're really trying hard to
Speaker 3: get Cam ready for Arizona State. I think I think
Speaker 3: it's something that I think he can play from it
Speaker 3: didn't look good at Oklahoma State. He actually looked better
Speaker 3: because he threw a little bit before the Arizona game.
Speaker 3: But I think I think he I think he's going
Speaker 3: to try. I think they're going to try to have
Speaker 3: him ready by then and ANDAB we should be able
Speaker 3: to play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what you're disagreeing with. I'm saying
Speaker 1: I'm operating off the premise that it's Isaac can tell
Speaker 1: it's not, because until I see it, it's hard to
Speaker 1: believe based off of all the information we've been giving.
Speaker 1: I agree that they're trying to get him ready to play,
Speaker 1: but until we actually see it, you know, it's for me,
Speaker 1: it's time to kind of ignore the messaging. Until the
Speaker 1: utes run out for their first possession on offense and
Speaker 1: it's number seven and not eleven, I'm going to operate
Speaker 1: off the premise that it's eleven not seven.
Speaker 2: I just need to see it before I can believe it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's probably a healthy attitude to have. And
Speaker 3: the good the silver lining with all of this is, man,
Speaker 3: Isaac Wilson's getting some great experience and some of it painful.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just telling you that last week was painful,
Speaker 3: and and the painful part is Son you had like
Speaker 3: when you're in the red zone, come hell or high water,
Speaker 3: you got to figure out how to score and you
Speaker 3: get those fourth downs, whatever it is, you got to
Speaker 3: make it happened. And you can't just you know it,
Speaker 3: just you just have to do it, and you have
Speaker 3: to will that on your team that this is extremely important.
Speaker 3: We got it, we got to get it done. And
Speaker 3: and so there's just so so many game scenarios or
Speaker 3: things that come come up that that Isaac's had to
Speaker 3: deal with that being one of them, and and they'll
Speaker 3: just they'll be so valuable down the road. But unfortunately,
Speaker 3: this team is ready to win now and has such
Speaker 3: a great opportunity in the Big twelve. And because I
Speaker 3: still think it's very wide open in the conference, there's
Speaker 3: not a team I go oh wow that you know,
Speaker 3: that's that's just the dominant team right there. And and
Speaker 3: so you really need need to get the guy back
Speaker 3: who can make it happen. But but it is good
Speaker 3: for Isaac to for him to get that experience.
Speaker 1: All right, Scott, before I say you lose, I referenced
Speaker 1: this earlier Arizona after the case Stay lost, they talked
Speaker 1: about the Utah game as a get right game for
Speaker 1: them after a buye. What does a get right game
Speaker 1: look like for Utah after a buye against Arizona's.
Speaker 3: Well, it's just playing with that sense of urgency, playing
Speaker 3: really to win and not not kind of tired or
Speaker 3: playing not to lose.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's it's about being aggressive. And you know, Arizona really
Speaker 3: took the tempo to the game to Utah. They dictated
Speaker 3: terms the whole entire game, and that's what you have
Speaker 3: to do, you you know. And I think that's the
Speaker 3: energy that people were feeling. They were like, these guys
Speaker 3: aren't intimidated by being here in the stadium and this
Speaker 3: noise and this crowd. This team, it's like they're here
Speaker 3: to win. They're here to Uh, you've got the target
Speaker 3: on your chest and we're going we're coming after you.
Speaker 3: And Utah is going to get that all year. But
Speaker 3: they've got to have the youths have to have this
Speaker 3: attitude that like every play is life and death, like
Speaker 3: like this this really matters, Like you can't you can't
Speaker 3: be complacent in any moment and that includes all of
Speaker 3: your preparation leading out to this game. I bet if
Speaker 3: you went and asked and pulled the players and the
Speaker 3: coaches and said, did you do everything you could possibly
Speaker 3: do to get yourself ready to play this week? And
Speaker 3: I'll bet almost all of them say no, there's things
Speaker 3: I could have done better and and and that's that's
Speaker 3: the cruelty of football, that's the immediacy of it. That
Speaker 3: you only get so many opportunities. There's only three more
Speaker 3: home games this year. I mean there's three, said, you know,
Speaker 3: and so you have to take advantage of those opportunities.
Speaker 3: They have to be so precious to you, and you
Speaker 3: just have to come out with this like we just
Speaker 3: got to let everything hang out and just play to win.
Speaker 3: And we always said play like men and just you know,
Speaker 3: let it all hang out. And that's that's the way
Speaker 3: you gotta play.
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, Appreciate the time today, Bye week, and
Speaker 1: then we'll see you with there made it when they
Speaker 1: get back on the field. Scott, have a good week, brother.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, thanks you too.
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell, former Utah quarterback number of years in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Appreciate his time today.
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